From DDT91359 at aol.com Tue Mar 1 01:03:35 2005 From: DDT91359 at aol.com (DDT91359@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 1 01:03:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? Message-ID: Just wanted to add my two cents worth. I personally think the biggest reason their are`nt more mineral collectors out there is that people don`t know anything about them. I live in northern Michigan and find that most people don`t know what a mineral speciman is and have never seen one. I saw and bought ( and immediately fell in love with) a Wulfenite at the gift shop in the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum. I was hooked. That was 1997, I had never seen one before and was amazed that nature could produce something so beautifull. The part of collecting i like the most is showing specimens to people that have never seen them and watching their eyes light up when seeing my collection. Of course Wulfenites are my main show in the cabinet....Dave Trier --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Tue Mar 1 01:43:08 2005 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Tue Mar 1 02:17:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Smoky Topaz In-Reply-To: <039601c51e1c$3a9f8ea0$295d70d1@S0033035959> References: <039601c51e1c$3a9f8ea0$295d70d1@S0033035959> Message-ID: <4224392C.7080501@xs4all.nl> Hi Jack, I would look at the stone through a microscope and look for inclusions. Often quartz is readily identified by negative quartz crystals. That are bubbles of gas or liquid in the shape of a quartz crystal. Topaz also has fairly typical inclusions. Usually you find typical clouds made up of thousands of very tiny bubbles. Since the stone is smokey you might need darkfiield lightning or at least have a light shining through the stone. cheers, Maurice Jack Schmidling wrote: >A friend gave us a ring with very large emerald cut stone that she claims is >smokey topaz. I tried proving that it was not topaz but ended up uncertain. >My reading of RI is right between quartz and topaz and it seems a bit harder >to scratch than quartz. > >Is "smokey" a natural form of topaz. > >js > > >PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm >Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Gems, Sausage, http://schmidling.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From mike at colellaphoto.com Tue Mar 1 05:53:55 2005 From: mike at colellaphoto.com (Michael J. Colella) Date: Tue Mar 1 05:53:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? In-Reply-To: <4223CC79.10A9@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <200503010853389.SM01516@mjce4712fb7466> This subject came along a few years back and prompted me to write my little story, and later one of my club members submitted it to the EFMLS contest for articles and it won. So I thought I would repost it again. This is also at a good time because as membership chairman in our club I have been looking for new ways to add members to our ranks. Your ideas are all welcome. 1/29/00 These little stories have been enjoyable & I would love to add mine. Back when I was about 8 or so, I would go hunting with my dad. Being too young to tote a gun, I just enjoyed the scenery. Most of the time though, I had to just "sit still and don't move, you'll scare away the animals". Well the only other thing to do when you're that low to the ground was look at the rocks. When we returned home, dad had the game & I had a pocket full of rocks. This kept up and my meager collection continued to grow. My most exciting find was a large bone about 14" long, pretty weathered, that I immediately thought was petrified. Well it only turned out to be an old cow bone, but non the less it sparked an interest. Soon I had books to try an identify my fossil bone as well as my first copy of "Rocks And Minerals" 1957 (the Golden Nature Guide Series), which I still have today. (How many others started with that little black paperback book?). Soon I had rocks all over the house. A few years later, in junior hi, I needed a science project for school. Naturally I decided to display my collection. I persuaded dad, who was all for it, to construct a simple wooden cabinet for me. He was quite the carpenter and projects were never simple around our house. So my 'simple' cabinet turned into a nice, 4 drawer box, with individual compartments for each stone and room to grow. The science project was successful & I continued to over fill the cabinet. By then I was in high school and girls, cars & music replaced rocks. The collection got put in my closet & soon I would go away to college. Now here's the kicker. It had been some years now since I did anything with rocks and they just were not on my mind, UNFORTUNATELY! I went to college in Western Maryland and for 4 years I watched strip mining out my dorm window. Later I would find out there's lots of fossil ferns in those coal beds, that were right under my feet & never got a one. Then I had the opportunity to spend a summer in Sicily, in a small town built around a dried up river bed, loaded with a multitude of specimens. Returned home with not a piece. And that wasn't even the best missed trip, namely the following summer I went to Colorado for 2 weeks with nothing to do but drive around & check out the scenery, photographing this time but still not collecting. Well life continues, I got married, had children, and soon it would start again. About the time my son was 5 or 6, my mom called and said she was cleaning out old 'junk' around the house & wanted to know if I still wanted that old 'box of rocks'. Once a collector always a collector, Sure I said, so we went over to get it & my inquisitive son went crazy over the collection. It's funny how things happen; not more than a few weeks later, I happen to see an ad in the paper for a rock & mineral show sponsored by on of the local clubs, 'The Gem, Lapidary & Mineral Society of Washington". I suggested we go & that started it. We both joined the club & it didn't take long before the youngest member of the club at 6 years old, new the names of more rocks & minerals, than most of us adults, it seemed. That sponge of a brain & the unending willingness of the members of our club to constantly feed him information about the hobby, was a great learning experience. Years later he & I would have the chance to do some casual collecting out West , while on Boy Scout trips, year after year. It's funny though, by the time he hit high school, it was good by boy scouts & rocks and hello girls & cars & music. Although to this day, he still remembers his geology lessons, identifying the various specimens I bring home from time to time. So today, Dad & Mom are still members of that same club, love to collect whenever we can and believe it or not, I still have that original wooden box of rocks I collector some 40+ years ago, not to mention the tons of other specimens including a sand collection that fill ever room in our house and the yard. Thanks Dad. Mike C Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 06:23:19 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 1 06:23:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <4223C383.377@Tomaszewski.net> References: <4223C383.377@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use for the list now. Bryan On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > Kreigh > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > -0500 > Return-Path: > > Received: > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > Mon, > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > Received: > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > (Exim 3.35 > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > From: > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > Message-Id: > > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > To: > undisclosed-recipients:; > X-JunkMail: > NotJunk > X-MFData: > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > t0,70817] > X-UIDL: > 253877 > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0011 > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 06:31:49 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Tue Mar 1 06:31:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] nefarious survey caveats Message-ID: <20050301143149.75937.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Aaron & All -- thanks for raising the more nefarious side of surveys. As a university researcher, we pretty much have ethics and protocols rammed down our throats in the paperwork and bureaucracy we must engage in if we want to conduct even the most innocuous of surveys "what's yer favorite beer?" (kidding). (we can thank a history of questionable practices that have hurt participants in the past--tuskegee experiments, and certain infamous psychological experiments) The survey software I'm using does have the ability to track responses, but I'm obligated to not collect such info for my official stuff. I would follow same protocol and make that explicit to all. Not involved in selling anything--heck, I can't even get around to selling my 20 or so flats of stuff I brought back from California at local shows. Nor would I sell same to any entity or organization. I did like Kreigh's suggestions tho, about trying to collect info on how we got into collecting (family background and childhood events that inspired collecting). Wouldn't it be great to find something concrete like "52% of collectors of 5 years or more got interested in collecting because of a feildtrip they did with a local earth science type organization under age 14" "60% of professionals (dealers, mineralogists, geolgoists) in the hobby got their start by visiting quarries as children" If we had a decent response rate, we could definitely use that info in helping clubs and orgs thinking about their outreach activities. It might help our discussions with quarry owners and associated lobbies. keep the ideas or concerns coming. I'm working on a draft this weekend. -best, tina __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Mar 1 07:16:37 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Mar 1 07:17:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <200503010853389.SM01516@mjce4712fb7466> Message-ID: <003e01c51e71$aa202be0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> >my first copy of "Rocks And Minerals" 1957 (the Golden Nature Guide > Series), which I still have today. (How many others started > with that little black paperback book?). That was my first rock book also. Jeanette From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 1 07:17:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 1 07:17:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Me too! My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed address? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use for the list now. Bryan On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > Kreigh > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > -0500 > Return-Path: > > Received: > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > Mon, > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > Received: > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > (Exim 3.35 > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > From: > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > Message-Id: > > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > To: > undisclosed-recipients:; > X-JunkMail: > NotJunk > X-MFData: > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > t0,70817] > X-UIDL: > 253877 > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0011 > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Tue Mar 1 07:20:59 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 1 07:21:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Message-ID: <14.402246cd.2f55e25b@aol.com> I swear guys..it's not me..I don't use NetZero..and I ran a complete full scan last night..and I'm good to go. I use AOL for some lists..and Charter.net for others. I'm on cable also..not dialup! Jackie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Mar 1 07:21:48 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Mar 1 07:22:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus References: <4223C383.377@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <004701c51e72$63298e60$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Glenn and I both just got a suspicious .zip file from an unknown with the subject "new prices". This list is the only list we are both on, and we have separate computers, but we do have a lot of people common to both computers. Didn't open it of course.. Jeanette From mike at colellaphoto.com Tue Mar 1 07:52:11 2005 From: mike at colellaphoto.com (Michael J. Colella) Date: Tue Mar 1 07:52:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? Message-ID: <200503011051919.SM01516@mjce4712fb7466> This subject came along a few years back and prompted me to write my little story, that same year one of my club members submitted it to the EFMLS contest for articles and it won. So I thought I would repost it again. This is also at a good time because as membership chairman in our club I have been looking for new ways to add members to our ranks. Your ideas are all welcome. 1/29/00 These little stories have been enjoyable & I would love to add mine. Back when I was about 8 or so, I would go hunting with my dad. Being too young to tote a gun, I just enjoyed the scenery. Most of the time though, I had to just "sit still and don't move, you'll scare away the animals". Well the only other thing to do when you're that low to the ground was look at the rocks. When we returned home, dad had the game & I had a pocket full of rocks. This kept up and my meager collection continued to grow. My most exciting find was a large bone about 14" long, pretty weathered, that I immediately thought was petrified. Well it only turned out to be an old cow bone, but none the less it sparked an interest. Soon I had books to try an identify my fossil bone as well as my first copy of "Rocks And Minerals" 1957 (the Golden Nature Guide Series), which I still have today. (How many others started with that little black paperback book?). Soon I had rocks all over the house. A few years later, in junior hi, I needed a science project for school. Naturally I decided to display my collection. I persuaded dad, who was all for it, to construct a simple wooden cabinet for me. He was quite the carpenter and projects were never simple around our house. So my 'simple' cabinet turned into a nice, 4 drawer box, with individual compartments for each stone and room to grow. The science project was successful & I continued to over fill the cabinet. By then I was in high school and girls, cars & music replaced rocks. The collection got put in my closet & soon I would go away to college. Now here's the kicker. It had been some years now since I did anything with rocks and they just were not on my mind, UNFORTUNATELY! I went to college in Western Maryland and for 4 years I watched strip mining out my dorm window. Later I would find out there's lots of fossil ferns in those coal beds, that were right under my feet & never got a one. Then I had the opportunity to spend a summer in Sicily, in a small town built around a dried up river bed, loaded with a multitude of specimens. but returned home with not a piece. And that wasn't even the best missed trip, namely the following summer I went to Colorado for 2 weeks with nothing to do but drive around & check out the scenery, with my fianc?, photographing this time but still not collecting. Well life continues, I got married, had children, and soon it would start again. About the time my son was 5 or 6, my mom called and said she was cleaning out old 'junk' around the house & wanted to know if I still wanted that old 'box of rocks'. Once a collector always a collector, Sure I said, so we went over to get it & my inquisitive son went crazy over the collection. It's funny how things happen; not more than a few weeks later, I happen to see an ad in the paper for a rock & mineral show sponsored by on of the local clubs, 'The Gem, Lapidary & Mineral Society of Washington". I suggested we go & that started it. We both joined the club & it didn't take long before the youngest member of the club at 6 years old, new the names of more rocks & minerals, than most of us adults, it seemed. That sponge of a brain & the unending willingness of the members of our club to constantly feed him information about the hobby, was a great learning experience. Years later he & I would have the chance to do some casual collecting out West , while on Boy Scout trips, year after year. It's funny though, by the time he hit high school, it was good by boy scouts & rocks and hello girls & cars & music. Although to this day, he still remembers his geology lessons, identifying the various specimens I bring home from time to time. So today, Dad & Mom are still members of that same club, love to collect whenever we can and believe it or not, I still have that original wooden box of rocks I collector some 40+ years ago, not to mention the tons of other specimens including a sand collection that fill ever room in our house and the yard. Thanks Dad. Mike C Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Michael J. Colella Colella Photography 2806 Jennings Rd. Kensington, MD 20895 Studio: 301-942-2853 Cell:301-520-9195 Web: http://colellaphoto.com E-mail: mike@colellaphoto.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Tue Mar 1 08:37:56 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Mar 1 08:38:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050301164205.EC2247AB37@delivery.infowest.com> I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and quarantined it before it even got here (where my Norton anti-virus would doubtless have found it, had the ISP not) Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Me too! My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed address? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use for the list now. Bryan On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > Kreigh > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > -0500 > Return-Path: > > Received: > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > Mon, > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > Received: > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > (Exim 3.35 > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > From: > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > Message-Id: > > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > To: > undisclosed-recipients:; > X-JunkMail: > NotJunk > X-MFData: > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > t0,70817] > X-UIDL: > 253877 > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0011 > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From cjkuo at verizon.net Tue Mar 1 09:27:18 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue Mar 1 09:28:18 2005 Subject: OT: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Message-ID: <00c901c51e83$eb90c690$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> If one of you who know how already without hurting yourself, could send a copy *forwarded with headers* to both Kreigh and myself, we may be able to prove or disprove that Jackie is or is not infected. Thanks. Jimmy McAfee Fellow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Malm" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:37 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and quarantined it > before it even got here (where my Norton anti-virus would doubtless have > found it, had the ISP not) > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM > To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > Me too! > My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - > Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. > > If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed > address? > > Cheers > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM > virus > > > I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use > for the list now. > > Bryan > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski > wrote: > > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > > > Kreigh > > > > Return-Path: > > > > Received: > > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > > -0500 > > Return-Path: > > > > Received: > > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > > Received: > > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > > Mon, > > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > > Received: > > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > > (Exim 3.35 > > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > > From: > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > > Subject: > > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > MIME-Version: > > 1.0 > > Content-Type: > > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > > Message-Id: > > > > Date: > > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > > To: > > undisclosed-recipients:; > > X-JunkMail: > > NotJunk > > X-MFData: > > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > > t0,70817] > > X-UIDL: > > 253877 > > X-Mozilla-Status: > > 0011 > > > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > > Jackie > > > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > > Encoding: base64 > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From cjkuo at verizon.net Tue Mar 1 09:43:44 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue Mar 1 09:44:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhound Survey References: <1db.36bbf6d4.2f54d74e@aol.com> Message-ID: <00f501c51e86$373c8050$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> >I think I would enjoy knowing a little more about > them, especially how they got into the hobby in the beginning. I wanted to highlight what Tom wrote as his last line and what I didn't explicitly see in other comments about the makeup of a potential survey. That is, you should be asking a set of questions about the circumstances surrounding how someone first got interested in rock collecting and another set on what keeps people in the hobby, or how their participation has changed. Like age, spark, first experience, ... for the purpose of clubs who are seeking out new participants/members. And progression of interest, locale/residence, current interests, how long... for those already in the hobby and looking for a new direction, or something more to do. As for survey caveats, the fact that we're all on the internet is a limited range of participants and says a lot already about demographics. Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhound Survey > > I think the idea of a survey is a GREAT idea and the questions already > suggested are very valuable ones. > > I'd like to add: "What clubs or affiliations do you belong to?" There are > organizations that aren't local to a hounder's area that might be > interesting. For example, I am looking to join an affiliation based in the UK. I > don't get there often, but I would enjoy getting news from them. > > Also, I don't want to make the survey onerous, but some of the questions > should allow for feedback and narrative. I'm thinking of the question about fee > collecting sites, in particular. In addition to naming the site(s), we > should have the option of providing feedback. > > This is important because some of us often drive more than 5-8 hours to get > to a site, and some of us, myself included, plan overnight stays around a > particular site. In some of these locations, there might not be other things of > interest EXCEPT the collecting site. > > Its also vital to alert us to collecting sites that aren't worth the drive. > I visited a well known site in upstate New York that turned out to be a > complete and utter waste of time. A nearby mountain, shown to us by a local, > proved to be more productive. And yes, I will write all about it when the > survey comes out ! > > Finally, I already know that the vast majority of people who post here are > into rocks and/or fossils; I think I would enjoy knowing a little more about > them, especially how they got into the hobby in the beginning. > > Regards, > Tom Russell > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rik.dillen at skynet.be Tue Mar 1 09:57:32 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Tue Mar 1 09:57:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return ofitemsinternationally? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503011757.j21HvXYd024560@outmx017.isp.belgacom.be> Whether or not you should indicate a value depends completely on the mood of the officer and the country in question. I once sent a parcel to a colleague in Canada and put a low value on it (5 $ or so). The colleague was mad because due to the small amount I filled in as value, he had to pick up the parcel nearly 100 km away, and he requested me never to fill in a value again. Since at least 5 years I have always put "nihil" as value, and never had any problem. On the other hand, I always declare officially specimens that I bought. Another tip : don't put any label at all in your parcel, just number the specimens and send the labels or list by e-mail (or even by post in an envelope). In that way you can't have difficulties in most cases. The problem is that in many countries a list exist of "ornamental stones, or stones that can be used for ornamental works of art, jewelry etc.". Even very common minerals, such as quartz, fluorite etc. are on that list. In theory here in Belgium you would even need an import licence to import e.g. a piece of azurite. And in the law there is no exception foreseen for a piece of rock of a kilo, containing a crystal of 1 mm of azurite... it all depends on the reasonablility of the officer. In practice I was nearly always able to convince the custom's officer that the pieces in the parcel could never be used really to make artworks out of it. Of course, don't try to smuggle e.g. diamonds or so in Antwerp... they know that stuff very well here ! Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:13 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return ofitemsinternationally? never write something as undefined as "negligable"....to someone worth $10,000, that means $10...to someone worth $100,000,000, that means $50,000. I guarantee you a customs agent is going to think a $5.00 emerald crystal is worth $10,000 because it's an "emerald" always give an amount, or customs will assign an amount! $5, $10, $20....whatever. EVERYHTING has value...even if it is only $1.00 also, never write a name as specific as emerald, or sapphire, or ruby.....say something like opaque red or blue corndum crystal, hexagonal green beryl crystal in matrix.....don't let their extremely limited knowledge (basic ignorance) of gems and minerals cost you money by them assigning huge values to common items and YOU having to later disprove it. I once specified on a fossil shipment the words "dinosaur eggs". BIG MISTAKE! They almost ended up in Agriculture because the woman ACTUALLY thought there were still live little baby dinosaurs in them! It took me 20 minutes of very patient explaining to convince her otherwise...all because of Jurassic Park!!! I never again labelled them that way and never again had a problem in more than 50 shipments. the proper description for minerals/fossils is: 9705.00.00 Collections and collector's pieces of zoological, botanical, mineralogical, .......palaeonyological interest. subcategories: 9705.00.00.40 Mineralogical Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of itemsinternationally? > Don, > > 97050000 Mineral specimens for identification, negligable cash value. > > Kreigh > > > > morningstar@att.net wrote: >> >> Yes this is on-topic, basically... >> >> In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international >> tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific >> specimens with no commercial value." >> >> I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right now >> I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being >> sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or >> customs tax and so forth. >> >> The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic >> microscope--there is the topical link! >> >> Thanks, >> Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 1 11:04:45 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 1 11:04:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <20050301164205.EC2247AB37@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: Yo Margaret, to my despair, I got a far worse bug... it's called SP2 (or service pack 2) and it was written by Microsoft. ;-))) I hate them... I really do... sigh... You do all that's possible to protect yourself against attacks from hackers, viruses, Trojans, worms... and then the guys that wrote your OS stab you in the back. May they suffer an infestation of big, creepy and inedible bugs. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Margaret Malm Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 17:38 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and quarantined it before it even got here (where my Norton anti-virus would doubtless have found it, had the ISP not) Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Me too! My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed address? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use for the list now. Bryan On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > Kreigh > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > -0500 > Return-Path: > > Received: > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > Mon, > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > Received: > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > (Exim 3.35 > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > From: > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > Message-Id: > > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > To: > undisclosed-recipients:; > X-JunkMail: > NotJunk > X-MFData: > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > t0,70817] > X-UIDL: > 253877 > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0011 > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Mar 1 12:59:37 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Mar 1 12:57:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound/Mineral Collector survey References: <200503011905.j21J52cv017821@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <008501c51ea1$94b0f480$2eeaa5d8@rock5> A survey of members of this chat group could be interesting and could be eventually used for other groups interested in mineal and related fields. I would suggest that sample questionaire be posted on this chat board and everyone could comment on various questions and suggest others. Perhaps even more interesting would be suggestions on what the survey should achieve by asking the questions and suggestions on what might be done with the results. Having particular goals in mind will in turn help shape the questions. Rock From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 14:30:45 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Tue Mar 1 14:31:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Message-ID: <9541827.1109716245529.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I received an email with the virus attached, but it was stopped by my copy of Norton Internet Security 2005. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Axel Emmermann Sent: Mar 1, 2005 10:17 AM To: J Bryan Kramer , "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Me too! My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed address? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use for the list now. Bryan On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > Kreigh > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > -0500 > Return-Path: > > Received: > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > Mon, > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > Received: > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > (Exim 3.35 > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > From: > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > Message-Id: > > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > To: > undisclosed-recipients:; > X-JunkMail: > NotJunk > X-MFData: > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > t0,70817] > X-UIDL: > 253877 > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0011 > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 1 14:33:36 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Tue Mar 1 14:38:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound/Mineral Collector survey References: <200503011905.j21J52cv017821@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <008501c51ea1$94b0f480$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <001401c51eaf$548a0a50$78f1edc1@mpc1> > everyone could comment on various questions and suggest others. Perhaps > even > more interesting would be suggestions on what the survey should achieve by > asking the questions and suggestions on what might be done with the > results. > Having particular goals in mind will in turn help shape the questions. > Rock I'd be interested to know when people got started (year and age) and why; what they regard as the most collectable things (say a top ten of species, or reasons to collect?); and to contrast with a survey Mineralogical Record did some years ago, what their best mineral books are. A description of a favourite specimen or two might be fun - what they're like and why they're so interesting to the collector. Perhaps not even necessarily something in one's own collection? Mick From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 14:39:34 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Tue Mar 1 14:40:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? Message-ID: <25714361.1109716774777.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mike, what a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing it with us. It has started me thinking of how I happened to start collecting rocks. I will have to put my thoughts together on this. Mark -----Original Message----- From: "Michael J. Colella" Sent: Mar 1, 2005 8:53 AM To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? This subject came along a few years back and prompted me to write my little story, and later one of my club members submitted it to the EFMLS contest for articles and it won. So I thought I would repost it again. This is also at a good time because as membership chairman in our club I have been looking for new ways to add members to our ranks. Your ideas are all welcome. 1/29/00 These little stories have been enjoyable & I would love to add mine. Back when I was about 8 or so, I would go hunting with my dad. Being too young to tote a gun, I just enjoyed the scenery. Most of the time though, I had to just "sit still and don't move, you'll scare away the animals". Well the only other thing to do when you're that low to the ground was look at the rocks. When we returned home, dad had the game & I had a pocket full of rocks. This kept up and my meager collection continued to grow. My most exciting find was a large bone about 14" long, pretty weathered, that I immediately thought was petrified. Well it only turned out to be an old cow bone, but non the less it sparked an interest. Soon I had books to try an identify my fossil bone as well as my first copy of "Rocks And Minerals" 1957 (the Golden Nature Guide Series), which I still have today. (How many others started with that little black paperback book?). Soon I had rocks all over the house. A few years later, in junior hi, I needed a science project for school. Naturally I decided to display my collection. I persuaded dad, who was all for it, to construct a simple wooden cabinet for me. He was quite the carpenter and projects were never simple around our house. So my 'simple' cabinet turned into a nice, 4 drawer box, with individual compartments for each stone and room to grow. The science project was successful & I continued to over fill the cabinet. By then I was in high school and girls, cars & music replaced rocks. The collection got put in my closet & soon I would go away to college. Now here's the kicker. It had been some years now since I did anything with rocks and they just were not on my mind, UNFORTUNATELY! I went to college in Western Maryland and for 4 years I watched strip mining out my dorm window. Later I would find out there's lots of fossil ferns in those coal beds, that were right under my feet & never got a one. Then I had the opportunity to spend a summer in Sicily, in a small town built around a dried up river bed, loaded with a multitude of specimens. Returned home with not a piece. And that wasn't even the best missed trip, namely the following summer I went to Colorado for 2 weeks with nothing to do but drive around & check out the scenery, photographing this time but still not collecting. Well life continues, I got married, had children, and soon it would start again. About the time my son was 5 or 6, my mom called and said she was cleaning out old 'junk' around the house & wanted to know if I still wanted that old 'box of rocks'. Once a collector always a collector, Sure I said, so we went over to get it & my inquisitive son went crazy over the collection. It's funny how things happen; not more than a few weeks later, I happen to see an ad in the paper for a rock & mineral show sponsored by on of the local clubs, 'The Gem, Lapidary & Mineral Society of Washington". I suggested we go & that started it. We both joined the club & it didn't take long before the youngest member of the club at 6 years old, new the names of more rocks & minerals, than most of us adults, it seemed. That sponge of a brain & the unending willingness of the members of our club to constantly feed him information about the hobby, was a great learning experience. Years later he & I would have the chance to do some casual collecting out West , while on Boy Scout trips, year after year. It's funny though, by the time he hit high school, it was good by boy scouts & rocks and hello girls & cars & music. Although to this day, he still remembers his geology lessons, identifying the various specimens I bring home from time to time. So today, Dad & Mom are still members of that same club, love to collect whenever we can and believe it or not, I still have that original wooden box of rocks I collector some 40+ years ago, not to mention the tons of other specimens including a sand collection that fill ever room in our house and the yard. Thanks Dad. Mike C Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From jpjunk at mc.net Tue Mar 1 15:20:00 2005 From: jpjunk at mc.net (jjunkroski) Date: Tue Mar 1 15:21:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? In-Reply-To: <003e01c51e71$aa202be0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Me, too. The first one fell apart and I've bought every one I find at garage, yard and barn sales and give them to kids. John >> my first copy of "Rocks And Minerals" 1957 (the Golden Nature Guide >> Series), which I still have today. (How many others started >> with that little black paperback book?). > > That was my first rock book also. > Jeanette > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 15:23:47 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Mar 1 15:23:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Winter Gathering of Micromounters In-Reply-To: <4214A0F4.2070901@ptd.net> Message-ID: <20050301232347.58879.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Dennis, You can get a good description of the technique on my website: www.sauktown.com Jim Daly --- Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > Although I would love to attend this event and can > not; in review of the > subject material to be presented I sure would love > to know how Jim Daly > makes an airtight micromount for sensitive > minerals... and that is NOT > tongue in cheek... I think others would like to know > too... so.. once > the presentation is over any chance of giving us a > brief tutorial via > this forum?? Hmm?? PLEASE?? > Earl wrote: > > > Greetings to the rockhounds at Drizzle. > > > > The final version of the Winter Gathering of > Micromounters webpage > > with updated program schedule: > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~earlrock/wintermicro/index.html > > > > regards, > > Earl > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 1 15:40:01 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 1 15:32:33 2005 Subject: OT: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus References: <00c901c51e83$eb90c690$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: <4224FB8A.6CB6@Tomaszewski.net> I've had an email from Jackie and headers confirm the infected file came from a different ISP (and the browser/mail engine is different too). AFAIK Bugbear _always_ spoofs the FROM address. I think Jackie is an innocent bystander. Kreigh Jimmy Kuo wrote: > > If one of you who know how already without hurting yourself, could send a > copy *forwarded with headers* to both Kreigh and myself, we may be able to > prove or disprove that Jackie is or is not infected. > > Thanks. > > Jimmy > McAfee Fellow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Malm" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:37 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and quarantined it > > before it even got here (where my Norton anti-virus would doubtless have > > found it, had the ISP not) > > > > Margaret > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann > > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM > > To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and > gem > > collectors > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > > Me too! > > My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - > > Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. > > > > If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed > > address? > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer > > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM > > virus > > > > > > I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use > > for the list now. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski > > wrote: > > > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > > > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > > > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > Return-Path: > > > > > > Received: > > > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > > > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > > > -0500 > > > Return-Path: > > > > > > Received: > > > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > > > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > > > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > > > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > > > Received: > > > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > > > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > > > Mon, > > > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > > > Received: > > > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > > > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > > > (Exim 3.35 > > > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > > > From: > > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > > > Subject: > > > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > > MIME-Version: > > > 1.0 > > > Content-Type: > > > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > > > Message-Id: > > > > > > Date: > > > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > > > To: > > > undisclosed-recipients:; > > > X-JunkMail: > > > NotJunk > > > X-MFData: > > > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > > > t0,70817] > > > X-UIDL: > > > 253877 > > > X-Mozilla-Status: > > > 0011 > > > > > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > > > Encoding: base64 From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Mar 1 17:54:39 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Mar 1 17:54:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? References: <200503010853389.SM01516@mjce4712fb7466> <003e01c51e71$aa202be0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <004c01c51eca$cbdbe4a0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Yep, got that one and the Golden Guide to Fossils. Also Pough's Field Guide to Rocks and Minerals (1960). Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds survey? > >my first copy of "Rocks And Minerals" 1957 (the Golden Nature Guide >> Series), which I still have today. (How many others started >> with that little black paperback book?). > > That was my first rock book also. > Jeanette > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From earlrock at earthlink.net Tue Mar 1 18:50:23 2005 From: earlrock at earthlink.net (Earl) Date: Tue Mar 1 18:50:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 4th Winter Gathering of Micromounters Message-ID: <007b01c51ed2$98b34ca0$c480fea9@earlrock> The report of the 4th Winter Gathering of Micromounters written by Dr. Henry Barwood can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~earlrock/wintermicro/index.html Feel free to share the link. regards to the lists and individuals copied, Earl From lightedjewels at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 19:34:59 2005 From: lightedjewels at yahoo.com (Michelle B.) Date: Tue Mar 1 19:35:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! Message-ID: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 when my parents moved us to Richland, Wa and I found my first agate!! I am now 37, the mother of two and grandmother of 1 beautiful baby girl (4 months!!). I am a massage therapist and artist and I used and sell stones at arts and crafts fairs and festivals around Washington State. I have recently dug my tumblers back out and am at that again. I have said for a long time the measure of a truly loving husband is how many times he'll move your boxes of rocks from one rental to another without "losing" any along the way, lol! When I started gather stones from the nocks and crannies I couldn't believe how much I had actually kept around! Once a rock fiend always a rock fiend!! I have found a rock shop in Spanaway where you can use their lapidary shop and equipment for an hourly fee if anyone is interested! It's a little ways out there but worth the drive, really sweet people. O.K. that's enough about me, I don't suppose anyone out there has heard of white petrified wood, I think I have at least two pieces. I have one listed for sale on IOffer.com and another one I just discovered in my first batch of tumbler fodder! I look forward to reading everyones email. Thanks, Michelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From silicawood at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 19:39:22 2005 From: silicawood at gmail.com (Rockhoundnut) Date: Tue Mar 1 19:40:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! In-Reply-To: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54d4a88f050301193963f1f50b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Michelle - welcome to the group! I'd like to check out the rock shop if you have an address. I live in Spanaway, WA. I didnt even realize there was a rock shop here! Brian On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:34:59 -0800 (PST), Michelle B. wrote: > Hi, > My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 when my parents moved us to Richland, Wa and I found my first agate!! I am now 37, the mother of two and grandmother of 1 beautiful baby girl (4 months!!). I am a massage therapist and artist and I used and sell stones at arts and crafts fairs and festivals around Washington State. I have recently dug my tumblers back out and am at that again. I have said for a long time the measure of a truly loving husband is how many times he'll move your boxes of rocks from one rental to another without "losing" any along the way, lol! When I started gather stones from the nocks and crannies I couldn't believe how much I had actually kept around! Once a rock fiend always a rock fiend!! I have found a rock shop in Spanaway where you can use their lapidary shop and equipment for an hourly fee if anyone is interested! It's a little ways out there but worth the drive, really sweet people. > > O.K. that's enough about me, I don't suppose anyone out there has heard of white petrified wood, I think I have at least two pieces. I have one listed for sale on IOffer.com and another one I just discovered in my first batch of tumbler fodder! I look forward to reading everyones email. > Thanks, Michelle > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 1 20:15:58 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 1 20:07:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhound survey replies-- References: <20050228212004.5151.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> <4223F729.4010604@cox.net> Message-ID: <42253C0D.56BA@Tomaszewski.net> Tina, Perhaps you could have Teresa send on info about the survey website to the Affiliated Clubs and gain a much wider group of participants. The follow up with results would help most clubs in the US. You might want to give Teresa the website link ASAP (in cover letter, offline) to communicate before it goes live, as it will take some time to get distributed (announce a couple weeks when the survey can be taken -- beat the deadline for the list and you can sample two groups mostly divided by time); most clubs have a monthly cycle of communication. Kreigh T.A.Masters wrote: > > Tina, > I am Chair of the CFMS Publicity/Public Relations Committee. I know your > information can be sent on to each and every Society within CFMS, and of > course AFMS. > > I would be happy to forward this on for you. > > Teresa Masters > From kadok at infowest.com Tue Mar 1 20:20:27 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Mar 1 20:20:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050302042439.D34FF78E45@delivery.infowest.com> To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Yea, Axel -- When I got my new computer and finally got it all "straightened out" (I thought) and started to move all of my files to the new computer, I tried to open one of my Access datbases. It had to be converted, of course. Since I was coming rom Win. 98. And up popped this message that I MUST download SP2 FIRST. So I did. But I still kept getting that message for awhile -- until I had them all converted. But now, every time I open one, I get a message saying that if it is not from some source I am sure of, it could have "malicious code" (which, as I understand it, is what SP2 was supposed to prevent or filter out, or something), and I should not open it. These are databases that I had made up myself, on my old computer!!! Sheesh! What is SP2 doing to you? Margaret >Yo Margaret, >to my despair, I got a far worse bug... it's called SP2 (or service pack 2) >and it was written by Microsoft. ;-))) >I hate them... I really do... sigh... >You do all that's possible to protect yourself against attacks from >hackers, >viruses, Trojans, worms... and then the guys that wrote your OS stab you in >the back. May they suffer an infestation of big, creepy and inedible bugs. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Margaret Malm Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 17:38 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and quarantined it before it even got here (where my Norton anti-virus would doubtless have found it, had the ISP not) Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Me too! My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - axel.emmermann@telenet.be - Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it still a spoofed address? Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one I use for the list now. Bryan On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I got the partial message off the list below back with a virus in it. If > you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and secure > your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a spoofed address. > > Kreigh > > Return-Path: > > Received: > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by Tomaszewski.net with > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > -0500 > Return-Path: > > Received: > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for ; Mon, 28 > Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > Received: > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 1D5uWT-00065D-00; > Mon, > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > Received: > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp > (Exim 3.35 > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > From: > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > Message-Id: > > Date: > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > To: > undisclosed-recipients:; > X-JunkMail: > NotJunk > X-MFData: > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 p0.009805 sN5 > t0,70817] > X-UIDL: > 253877 > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0011 > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it could be Mars!!! > > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at the > > ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > Encoding: base64 > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tam2819 at cox.net Tue Mar 1 21:11:15 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Tue Mar 1 21:11:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhound survey replies-- References: <20050228212004.5151.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> <4223F729.4010604@cox.net> <42253C0D.56BA@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <42254AF3.80308@cox.net> CFMS Bulletin articles must be in by the 5th. Kreigh, yes that is a great way to get the word out. Thanks Teresa From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Mar 2 01:58:51 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 2 01:59:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <20050302042439.D34FF78E45@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: Margaret wrote >Sheesh! >What is SP2 doing to you? Just telling you NOT to open any files or visit any other web sites than Microsoft's (unsafe!!! Beware!!!) because they don't know how to make a REAL safe OS without more wide-open backdoors than windows... Hey, there's an idea: why not call it Microsoft Backdoors instead of Windows???? (LOL) They could have made an efort to cement all those gaps and holes and cracks in Windows to keep the bugs out but , alas, they chose the easy way out in Richmond. Then you go out and BUY software, rather than get a bootleg copy and then it doesn't work because those idiots from Microsoft f&$%? up your computer.... nice message, hu? I'm gonna throw it off my PC even if I have to reinstall every software since Tic Tac Toe. Cheers Axel From hptdesigns at charter.net Wed Mar 2 07:59:59 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Wed Mar 2 07:59:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <20050302042439.D34FF78E45@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <3rr04g$i06h0n@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> To give MS some credit, what you get is simply a warning message. There is no way to know whether or not that Access database does have malicious code in it. All you have to do is to say yes, I trust it. Within an Access database and an Excel Spreadsheet and a Word doc., one can write some serious code that could destroy your computer. With code in it you can delete files, create files, reformat drives--just about anything as it is a full development program. They just wanted to let you know that it was potentially dangerous. If you read the dialog when it asks you whether you wanted to convert or not, it said something to the effect that "you are opening a file created in a previous version and do you wish to convert it." You do not have to convert. It will run under 2002 or 2003. You can even go to the tools, database utilities, convert database option on the menu and convert it back to a 97 or 2000 file. However, if you have added functionality available only in the newer versions, that functionality will not work. That conversion thing is the main reason many Access programmers upgraded to 2002 or 2003. Now I know that most on this list, are pretty much, anti-Microsoft. And trust me, I cuss them manytimes when using their products, but what they did understand and Apple and TI did not, is that its "The Developers Stupid" to borrow a saying from James Carville. Through out its history, it has always seen that the availability of easy to program fuctionality is the key to dominance. And they have supported their developers with very good support. Its seldom that if you go to their knowledge base, you cannot find a solution. They provide millions of dollars worth of free seminars and software to keep those programmers writing for their system. Heck, I went to a seminar and they gave out free versions of Office 2003. Apple does and did not do that. That's where they lost the war. Visual basic, the language of MS Office in the past (VB.net now), opened up programming to literally millions of programmers for a realtively cheap price. Every Tom, Dick, and Tommy could buy a copy, read a manual, and do some pretty neat stuff. Just look at downloads.com and see all the shareware programs that are created with it. Dumb people like myself with a couple of hundred dollars can implement some pretty nifty stuff within the Office environment because it is all hooked together. Access is an incredibly robust program and linked with other Office programs can do pretty much what most normal small sized businesses need. And that is what is the cash cow for MS. Why did you buy a new PC instead of an Apple? Probably because of either the price, or the availabilty of programs that you wanted to use. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' PS--if you are running Access 2003 and would like to see if we can get my collection database running on your machine drop me a line off list at tfa@brickengraver.com But everytime you open it, you will still have to click that yes, I trust it button. And I do not know what version of Access you are running, but if you are running 2002 or 2003, you can open a previous version without converting it. Access 2003 will run 97, 2000, and 2003 versions--the new goodies included in the newer versions are just not useable when running > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Margaret Malm > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:20 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > Yea, Axel -- > When I got my new computer and finally got it all > "straightened out" (I > thought) and started to move all of my files to the new > computer, I tried to open one of my Access datbases. It had > to be converted, of course. Since I was coming rom Win. 98. > And up popped this message that I MUST download SP2 FIRST. > So I did. But I still kept getting that message for awhile -- > until I had them all converted. But now, every time I open > one, I get a message saying that if it is not from some > source I am sure of, it could have "malicious code" (which, > as I understand it, is what SP2 was supposed to prevent or > filter out, or something), and I should not open it. These > are databases that I had made up myself, on my old computer!!! Sheesh! > What is SP2 doing to you? > > Margaret > > >Yo Margaret, > > >to my despair, I got a far worse bug... it's called SP2 (or service > >pack 2) and it was written by Microsoft. > ;-))) > > >I hate them... I really do... sigh... > > >You do all that's possible to protect yourself against attacks from > >hackers, viruses, Trojans, worms... and then the guys that > wrote your > >OS stab you in the back. May they suffer an infestation of > big, creepy > >and inedible bugs. > > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Margaret Malm > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 17:38 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and > quarantined it before it even got here (where my Norton > anti-virus would doubtless have found it, had the ISP not) > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Axel Emmermann > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM > To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > Me too! > My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - > axel.emmermann@telenet.be - > Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. > > If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it > still a spoofed address? > > Cheers > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one > I use for the list now. > > Bryan > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski > wrote: > > I got the partial message off the list below back with a > virus in it. > > If you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and > > secure your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a > spoofed address. > > > > Kreigh > > > > Return-Path: > > > > Received: > > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by > Tomaszewski.net with > > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > > -0500 > > Return-Path: > > > > Received: > > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > > (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for > ; Mon, > > 28 Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > > Received: > > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id > > 1D5uWT-00065D-00; Mon, > > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > > Received: > > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net > with smtp > > (Exim 3.35 > > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 > 18:41:36 -0500 > > From: > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > > Subject: > > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > MIME-Version: > > 1.0 > > Content-Type: > > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > > Message-Id: > > > > Date: > > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > > To: > > undisclosed-recipients:; > > X-JunkMail: > > NotJunk > > X-MFData: > > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 > p0.009805 sN5 > > t0,70817] > > X-UIDL: > > 253877 > > X-Mozilla-Status: > > 0011 > > > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it > could be Mars!!! > > > Jackie > > > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at > > > the ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > > Encoding: base64 > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Mar 2 08:47:12 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 08:47:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Message-ID: <030220051647.29037.4225EE0F00093EA50000716D2197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Axel, You know there's a setting in there that will change that. It's your security settings that treat every attachment as "EVIL". Glenn's machine has XP and he changed his settings so he could get all the stupid jokes sent around by his cohorts. You can either have security or inconvenience.... As long as there are people out there with nothing better to do with their lives than #$%&^ up other people's computers, namely hackers, spammers, etc. and since we really WANT to live in a "connected" world, we'll have to deal with this and MS will constantly have to TRY to stay one step ahead of them. For every fix, someone finds a way around it, so the contest goes on. This is just a fact of life with computers. IF Apple hadn't been so greedy, and had become the dominant computer system in the world, there would be viruses, trojans, and spyware infecting THEIR machines too. JMHO Jeanette > Margaret wrote > > >Sheesh! > >What is SP2 doing to you? > > Just telling you NOT to open any files or visit any other web sites than > Microsoft's (unsafe!!! Beware!!!) because they don't know how to make a REAL > safe OS without more wide-open backdoors than windows... > Hey, there's an idea: why not call it Microsoft Backdoors instead of > Windows???? (LOL) > They could have made an efort to cement all those gaps and holes and cracks > in Windows to keep the bugs out but , alas, they chose the easy way out in > Richmond. > > Then you go out and BUY software, rather than get a bootleg copy and then it > doesn't work because those idiots from Microsoft f&$%? up your computer.... > nice message, hu? > > I'm gonna throw it off my PC even if I have to reinstall every software > since Tic Tac Toe. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From afox at drizzle.com Wed Mar 2 09:11:20 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Mar 2 09:11:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <030220051647.29037.4225EE0F00093EA50000716D2197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Ladies, gentlemen, and all those who fall outside the aformentioned categories.... We're getting a bit off topic. Please wrap this thread up, or migrate it off-list. Thanks! Aaron Rockhounds Admin -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From Vwalden at aol.com Wed Mar 2 10:07:10 2005 From: Vwalden at aol.com (Vwalden@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 10:07:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction Message-ID: <6E456749.416BF9FF.001B5B61@aol.com> Hello, My name is Rick Walden and I live in north Alabama in the Hazel Green area. I have always been a Geology enthusiast and have scanned the ground for specimens almost all my life. I am not currently a collector; however. I have been wanting to join a club for years and get involved with some field trips or something. I, for some reason, love the geodes and would love to find a place to look for them and other things of course. I have a BA degree, but have pondered the possibility of another degree in Earth Science or geology. I am in need of something that I enjoy and just have never slowed down enough to do anything about it or other things have just gotten in the way. I would like to join a club and get involved with it and enjoy a little life for a change. I have a spouse and 6 kids and many, many critters (animal lover too). I say kids, but most are young adults; 27,25,22,20,16 and 14. Thanks for listening! Rick From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Mar 2 11:05:27 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:05:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <030220051647.29037.4225EE0F00093EA50000716D2197924741CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: I know that, Jeanette ;-))) But where do we stick the boutade "a PC in every home" if you have to be a specialist to make your PC bypass the patronizing "do's & don'ts" that Microsoft imposes upon us to camouflage the fact that their operating system is a Gruyere cheese when it comes to security... (One sentence... I ought to be punished for that ;-))) Chaxel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens geenet2@mchsi.com Verzonden: woensdag 2 maart 2005 17:47 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Axel, You know there's a setting in there that will change that. It's your security settings that treat every attachment as "EVIL". Glenn's machine has XP and he changed his settings so he could get all the stupid jokes sent around by his cohorts. You can either have security or inconvenience.... As long as there are people out there with nothing better to do with their lives than #$%&^ up other people's computers, namely hackers, spammers, etc. and since we really WANT to live in a "connected" world, we'll have to deal with this and MS will constantly have to TRY to stay one step ahead of them. For every fix, someone finds a way around it, so the contest goes on. This is just a fact of life with computers. IF Apple hadn't been so greedy, and had become the dominant computer system in the world, there would be viruses, trojans, and spyware infecting THEIR machines too. JMHO Jeanette > Margaret wrote > > >Sheesh! > >What is SP2 doing to you? > > Just telling you NOT to open any files or visit any other web sites than > Microsoft's (unsafe!!! Beware!!!) because they don't know how to make a REAL > safe OS without more wide-open backdoors than windows... > Hey, there's an idea: why not call it Microsoft Backdoors instead of > Windows???? (LOL) > They could have made an efort to cement all those gaps and holes and cracks > in Windows to keep the bugs out but , alas, they chose the easy way out in > Richmond. > > Then you go out and BUY software, rather than get a bootleg copy and then it > doesn't work because those idiots from Microsoft f&$%? up your computer.... > nice message, hu? > > I'm gonna throw it off my PC even if I have to reinstall every software > since Tic Tac Toe. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Wed Mar 2 11:18:23 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:18:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chaxel? References: Message-ID: <007001c51f5c$9aec31f0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Chaxel? Oh, I see...contraction of "Cheers" and "Axel." I like it. Alohitty. ... (One sentence... I ought to > be punished for that ;-))) > > Chaxel From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 2 11:33:43 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:34:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chaxel? In-Reply-To: <007001c51f5c$9aec31f0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <200503021933.j22JXjDB018865@outmx028.isp.belgacom.be> In Dutch : "Graxel" (Groeten, Axel) Grikke (Greetings, me) Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:18 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Chaxel? Chaxel? Oh, I see...contraction of "Cheers" and "Axel." I like it. Alohitty. ... (One sentence... I ought to > be punished for that ;-))) > > Chaxel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Mar 2 11:46:08 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Mar 2 11:46:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus Message-ID: <030220051946.14928.4226180000028AF000003A502197913363CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> I'm not an expert, but I figured it out. :-) Some of my friends think I am tho, ;-) they call me for tech support for some of the dumbast things (pun intended). To me computers are easy, but rock nomenclature is greek to me. No matter how many times I see it written, I can't remember mineral names. And.....I usually write the way I talk, long rambling, stream of consciousness ideas that can't quite keep up the the way my brain flits from one subject to another, probably AADD and I get distracted very easily like when I'm using my rock polisher and the phone rings and I talk for awhile, then fix something to eat, check out the news...while the drip cup is running but the drip-into cup is overflowing onto the floor...so I have to mop the floor up, then can't remember where I put the rock I was working on when the phone rang... Jeanette > I know that, Jeanette ;-))) > But where do we stick the boutade "a PC in every home" if you have to be a > specialist to make your PC bypass the patronizing "do's & don'ts" that > Microsoft imposes upon us to camouflage the fact that their operating system > is a Gruyere cheese when it comes to security... (One sentence... I ought to > be punished for that ;-))) > > Chaxel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens geenet2@mchsi.com > Verzonden: woensdag 2 maart 2005 17:47 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM > virus > > > Axel, > You know there's a setting in there that will change that. It's your > security > settings that treat every attachment as "EVIL". Glenn's machine has XP and > he > changed his settings so he could get all the stupid jokes sent around by his > cohorts. You can either have security or inconvenience.... > As long as there are people out there with nothing better to do with their > lives than #$%&^ up other people's computers, namely hackers, spammers, etc. > and since we really WANT to live in a "connected" world, we'll have to deal > with this and MS will constantly have to TRY to stay one step ahead of them. > For every fix, someone finds a way around it, so the contest goes on. This > is > just a fact of life with computers. IF Apple hadn't been so greedy, and had > become the dominant computer system in the world, there would be viruses, > trojans, and spyware infecting THEIR machines too. > JMHO > Jeanette > > > > Margaret wrote > > > > >Sheesh! > > >What is SP2 doing to you? > > > > Just telling you NOT to open any files or visit any other web sites than > > Microsoft's (unsafe!!! Beware!!!) because they don't know how to make a > REAL > > safe OS without more wide-open backdoors than windows... > > Hey, there's an idea: why not call it Microsoft Backdoors instead of > > Windows???? (LOL) > > They could have made an efort to cement all those gaps and holes and > cracks > > in Windows to keep the bugs out but , alas, they chose the easy way out in > > Richmond. > > > > Then you go out and BUY software, rather than get a bootleg copy and then > it > > doesn't work because those idiots from Microsoft f&$%? up your > computer.... > > nice message, hu? > > > > I'm gonna throw it off my PC even if I have to reinstall every software > > since Tic Tac Toe. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Wed Mar 2 15:30:30 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Mar 2 15:30:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! References: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a001c51f7f$d2fbeb80$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Welcome Michelle! This list has some amazing folks! I've been on for about a year and I am fascinated and astounded at the knowledge and experience and willingness, no, enthusiactic happiness with, answering questions! Don't be afraid to ask. And white petrified wood could be any number of minerals that replaced the original wood, from limestone or calcium carbonate or many other possibilities. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle B." > Hi, > My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 .....I > don't suppose anyone out there has heard of white petrified wood, I think > I have at least two pieces. I have one listed for sale on IOffer.com and > another one I just discovered in my first batch of tumbler fodder! I look > forward to reading everyones email. > Thanks, Michelle > > From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Wed Mar 2 15:38:22 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Mar 2 15:38:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction References: <6E456749.416BF9FF.001B5B61@aol.com> Message-ID: <00b101c51f80$ec24d940$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Welcome Rick! We are in LA (Lower Alabama) near the Gulf. What is near Hazel Green? Our children are grown also which allows us to indulge in our own interests more. I hope you enjoy learning from and contributing to the list as much as most of us. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction > Hello, > > My name is Rick Walden and I live in north Alabama in the Hazel Green > area. I have always been a Geology enthusiast and have scanned the ground > for specimens almost all my life. I am not currently a collector; however. > I have been wanting to join a club for years and get involved with some > field trips or something. I, for some reason, love the geodes and would > love to find a place to look for them and other things of course. > I have a BA degree, but have pondered the possibility of another degree in > Earth Science or geology. I am in need of something that I enjoy and just > have never slowed down enough to do anything about it or other things have > just gotten in the way. > I would like to join a club and get involved with it and enjoy a little > life for a change. > I have a spouse and 6 kids and many, many critters (animal lover too). I > say kids, but most are young adults; 27,25,22,20,16 and 14. > Thanks for listening! > > Rick > From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Mar 2 15:42:40 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Mar 2 15:42:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry Message-ID: <030220052342.15391.42264F6F00067FD100003C1F216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi, to Kreigh and the rest of the List, I said I'd follow up on that question of "is the dense, somewhat 'musical' rock at the adz quarry on Mauna Kea, phonolite, or something different?". I did look up a report & geologic map on Mauna Kea, and there is a "perfect" report & map on this, it's USGS Professional Paper 1557, "The geology and petrology of Mauna Kea Volcano, Hawaii--a study of postshield volcanism", by Wolfe, Wise, and Dalrymple, publ. 1997, 129 pp. + 4 map plates. (price is $14.00) (It's not light reading, it's for someone who REALLY wants to know everything there is to know about the lavas of Mauna Kea.) So, PP 1557 says that the lavas of Mauna Kea include (don't you love these names) basalt, picrobasalt, hawaiite, mugearite, and benmoreite. The relationships of these igneous rock types to each other and to better known types like andesite, are shown in a "TAS" (total alkal-silica) diagram, which plots wt. % Na2O + K2O against wt. % SiO2. You can see the Mauna Kea lavas plotted on such a diagram on p. 17 (figure 5)of that USGS report, but of course the rest of you don't have it front of you like I do, and I don't seem to find it posted on our web pages. You can see a generic TAS diagram on the website I've given below (I'm sure there must be others on the www, but this is the best one I could find)--and, does anyone else have this problem, when Google finds a "hit" but it's part of a .ppt or .pdf file, it just doesn't work to copy the link to it as a url, I'm always somewhat at a loss of how to reproduce the link here, but here it is: PPT] Composition of Volcanic Rocks File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint 97 - View as HTML ... Total alkali-silica (Na2O +K2O vs SiO2) diagram ... Result = IUGS Classification of Aphanitic and Glassy Volcanic Rocks. Dark field from previous slide ... ace.acadiau.ca/science/geol/nvwagon/ volcanology/comp%20and%20classif%2005.ppt - Similar pages If you scroll to page 17 of the above document, you'll see the diagram. Phonolites are lavas of intermediate silica content (around 53-65 wt. % SiO2) but very high alkali content (>12 wt. % combined Na2O+K2O). (Typical Hawaiian basalts are more like 2-4 combined wt. % Na2O + K2O.) In the diagram shown in PP 1557, the points plotted for composition of Mauna Kea lavas lie totally within the "hawaiite", "mugearite", and "benmoreite" fields, and not anywhere near the boundary with phonolite; none are high enough in alkali content. FYI, Basalt with extra Na+K = Hawaiite; Basaltic andesite with extra Na+K = Mugearite; Andesite with extra Na+K = Benmoreite; Dacite with extra Na+K = Trachyte (Mugearite or Benmoreite with LOTS of extra Na+K = Phonolite) I haven't searched exhaustively (and I haven't looked yet at all those references that Kreigh sent), but the only definite reference I've seen to phonolite in the Hawaiian islands is on a webpage listing rock types found on each volcano or island, which lists phonolite as present on Kaula, one of the very smallest of the islands, composed of a single tuff cone (and used for bombing practice). http://wwwshs1.bham.wednet.edu/curric/science/geophys/desmul/explvo.htm A search on the comprehensive "GEOREF" literature database comes up with 0 hits for phonolite + Manua Kea, or for phonolite + Hawaii. Going now to the geologic and other topographic maps that are including as plates in PP 1557, the Keanakakoi "ancient quarry" is clearly shown on the maps, at about elev. 12,400', just west of the summit road, and just east of Puu Kookoolau (I'm sure, from web descriptions I've looked at, that this "ancient quarry" is the same place as the "adz quarry" we've been talking about.) The quarry symbol on the geologic map is shown in the lava type designated "hlf", and immediately on the west side of the quarry symbol, is a patch of a slightly older lava, designated "hhf". According to the map legend, hlf is basalt flows of the Liloe Spring Volcanic Member of the Hamakua Volcanics (Pleistocene Epoch), composed of--well, I'll spare you the whole long paragraph describing it, but it is all, basalt. hhf is basalt flows of the Hopukani Springs Volcanic Member of the Hamakua Volcanics (likewise, Pleistocene), which include (I'll repeat a few more details here), picrite (which is olivine-rich basalt) and ankaramite (basalt rich in both olivine and pyroxene phenocrysts). So, there really seems to be no honest-to-gosh phonolite on Mauna Kea or anywhere on the Big Island, and the rock at the adz quarry does, indeed, seem to be simply, "dense basalt". That's all I've seen it referred to in some of the (non-technical) websites that describe the quarry; just "dense basalt". I'm not sure what more I can add at this point! All that rings is not phonolite, I guess. cheers to all, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Mar 2 16:18:35 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Mar 2 16:18:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 4th Winter Gathering of Micromounters References: <007b01c51ed2$98b34ca0$c480fea9@earlrock> Message-ID: <002b01c51f86$8a6d6130$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> When I clicked on the link for Henry Barwood, I got a "404 not found" message. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl" To: ; ; ; ; "LapidaryArtsDigest" Cc: "Henry Barwood" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] 4th Winter Gathering of Micromounters > The report of the 4th Winter Gathering of Micromounters written by Dr. > Henry Barwood can be found at: > > http://home.earthlink.net/~earlrock/wintermicro/index.html > > Feel free to share the link. > > regards to the lists and individuals copied, > > Earl > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kadok at infowest.com Wed Mar 2 17:54:34 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Mar 2 17:54:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050303015852.33E2179D4F@delivery.infowest.com> >Sheesh! >What is SP2 doing to you? Just telling you NOT to open any files or visit any other web sites than Microsoft's (unsafe!!! Beware!!!) because they don't know how to make a REAL safe OS without more wide-open backdoors than windows... Hey, there's an idea: why not call it Microsoft Backdoors instead of Windows???? (LOL) They could have made an efort to cement all those gaps and holes and cracks in Windows to keep the bugs out but , alas, they chose the easy way out in Richmond. Then you go out and BUY software, rather than get a bootleg copy and then it doesn't work because those idiots from Microsoft f&$%? up your computer.... nice message, hu? I'm gonna throw it off my PC even if I have to reinstall every software since Tic Tac Toe. Cheers Axel OK, I see what you're saying. And I agree with you, at least to some extent. They certainly do write some "holey" code! The problem now is that Microsoft has become so universal that they are the ones the writers of virii and worms and suchlike of course target them. AND they pretty much leave the others alone. But I reckon the others have code that is just as "holey" or worse than Microsoft's. And if everyone changed over to something else, the virus writers would drop Microsoft & target them instead. Unfortunately I can't really change, since what I do has to "mesh" with the computers at the office. When I was using Win 98 I had very little problems with virii and worms. I'm sure the holes were there, but the bad guys were targeting the new one that "everybody" is using. Cheers! Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Wed Mar 2 18:23:21 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Wed Mar 2 18:23:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <3rr04g$i06h0n@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <20050303022739.621C9798A1@delivery.infowest.com> >To give MS some credit, what you get is simply a warning message. There is no way to know whether or not that Access database does have malicious code in it. All you have to do is to say yes, I trust it. They just wanted to let you know that it was potentially dangerous. Yes, I understand that. But why do they single out Access for that warning? There can be malicious code in anything, and yet they don't have the warning on, for instance, a Word document >If you read the dialog when it asks you whether you wanted to convert or not, it said something to the effect that "you are opening a file created in a previous version and do you wish to convert it." Right. >You do not have to convert. It will run under 2002 or 2003. I didn't realize that. However, in my case it's that the project I was working on at the time, needed to be in the new version. You know how the "gummint" is! I have to use what the NPS specifies, and has on their (our) computers. >Now I know that most on this list, are pretty much, anti-Microsoft. And trust me, I cuss them manytimes when using their products, but what they did understand and Apple and TI did not, is that its "The Developers Stupid" to borrow a saying from James Carville. Through out its history, it has always seen that the availability of easy to program fuctionality is the key to dominance. And they have supported their developers with very good support. Its seldom that if you go to their knowledge base, you cannot find a solution. They provide millions of dollars worth of free seminars and software to keep those programmers writing for their system. Heck, I went to a seminar and they gave out free versions of Office 2003. Apple does and did not do that. That's where they lost the war. Visual basic, the language of MS Office in the past (VB.net now), opened up programming to literally millions of programmers for a realtively cheap price. Every Tom, Dick, and Tommy could buy a copy, read a manual, and do some pretty neat stuff. True! Even me! >Just look at downloads.com and see all the shareware programs that are createdwith it. Dumb people like myself with a couple of hundred dollars can implement some pretty nifty stuff within the Office environment because it is all hooked together. Access is an incredibly robust program and linked with other Office programs can do pretty much what most normal small sized businesses need. And that is what is the cash cow for MS. >Why did you buy a new PC instead of an Apple? Probably because of either the price, or the availabilty of programs that you wanted to use. For the most part, I like both Access and Word. They are intuitive enough that they are pretty easy to use. And I think they are the best ones available. It's just the "holes" that keep popping up. And all the truly malicious people in this world who get their jollies by wrecking everything they can. And they pick on Microsoft because that's the place they can do the most damage to the most people. Tommy Armstrong N 35* 23' 52'' W 78* 49' 9'' >PS--if you are running Access 2003 and would like to see if we can get my collection database running on your machine drop me a line off list at tfa@brickengraver.com Thanks, but I am really short on spare time right now. (And working on my own database!) >But everytime you open it, you will still have to click that yes, I trust it button. No problem! Thanks Tommy Cheers! Margaret And I do not know what version of Access you are running, but if you are running 2002 or 2003, you can open a previous version without converting it. Access 2003 will run 97, 2000, and 2003 versions--the new goodies included in the newer versions are just not useable when running > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Margaret Malm > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:20 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > Yea, Axel -- > When I got my new computer and finally got it all > "straightened out" (I > thought) and started to move all of my files to the new > computer, I tried to open one of my Access datbases. It had > to be converted, of course. Since I was coming rom Win. 98. > And up popped this message that I MUST download SP2 FIRST. > So I did. But I still kept getting that message for awhile -- > until I had them all converted. But now, every time I open > one, I get a message saying that if it is not from some > source I am sure of, it could have "malicious code" (which, > as I understand it, is what SP2 was supposed to prevent or > filter out, or something), and I should not open it. These > are databases that I had made up myself, on my old computer!!! Sheesh! > What is SP2 doing to you? > > Margaret > > >Yo Margaret, > > >to my despair, I got a far worse bug... it's called SP2 (or service > >pack 2) and it was written by Microsoft. > ;-))) > > >I hate them... I really do... sigh... > > >You do all that's possible to protect yourself against attacks from > >hackers, viruses, Trojans, worms... and then the guys that > wrote your > >OS stab you in the back. May they suffer an infestation of > big, creepy > >and inedible bugs. > > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Margaret Malm > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 17:38 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > I got it too, Axel -- my ISP's virus check caught it and > quarantined it before it even got here (where my Norton > anti-virus would doubtless have found it, had the ISP not) > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Axel Emmermann > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:18 AM > To: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > Me too! > My provider sent me: CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net - > axel.emmermann@telenet.be - > Win32.HLLM.Bugbear.2 - 2005-02-28 - 00:43:57. > > If three people got it from CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net, is it > still a spoofed address? > > Cheers > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 15:23 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the > PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > > I got it too, and it went to my old email address not the one > I use for the list now. > > Bryan > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:25:42 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski > wrote: > > I got the partial message off the list below back with a > virus in it. > > If you connect to rcn.com via a dial-up connection please check and > > secure your computer. CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net is probably a > spoofed address. > > > > Kreigh > > > > Return-Path: > > > > Received: > > from 192.168.1.26 (127.0.0.1) by > Tomaszewski.net with > > SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.3.1); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:03:37 > > -0500 > > Return-Path: > > > > Received: > > from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > > (smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > > [207.172.4.107]) by hood.cnchost.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) MX) with > > ESMTP id 1303C8C74 for > ; Mon, > > 28 Feb 2005 18:43:39 -0500 (EST) > > Received: > > from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by > > smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id > > 1D5uWT-00065D-00; Mon, > > 28 Feb 2005 18:41:57 -0500 > > Received: > > from 66-44-3-82.s844.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com > > ([66.44.3.82] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net > with smtp > > (Exim 3.35 > > #7) id 1D5uW7-0001aJ-00; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 > 18:41:36 -0500 > > From: > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net > > Subject: > > Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > > MIME-Version: > > 1.0 > > Content-Type: > > multipart/mixed; boundary="----------1T1LWXAQPXWAXJ" > > Message-Id: > > > > Date: > > Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:41:36 -0500 > > To: > > undisclosed-recipients:; > > X-JunkMail: > > NotJunk > > X-MFData: > > [3.642156 v2.3:3 n89 s1344 g19207 b18834 > p0.009805 sN5 > > t0,70817] > > X-UIDL: > > 253877 > > X-Mozilla-Status: > > 0011 > > > > CRAZYDOVE@netzero.net wrote: > > > > > > Great picture!! If it weren't for the "blue" sky..it > could be Mars!!! > > > Jackie > > > > > > In a message dated 2/25/05 7:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > You can't see it clearly, but the flat rocks in this picture > > > > > > http://Tomaszewski.net/Images/Adz018_15A.JPG > > > > > > have obvious glacial grooves on their surfaces. This was taken at > > > the ancient Hawaiian Adz Qu > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Name: Shortcut to Internet Explorer.lnk.exe > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/x-msdownload > > > Encoding: base64 > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 2 19:35:52 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 2 19:24:27 2005 Subject: OT: SP2 {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus} References: <20050302042439.D34FF78E45@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <42268365.56AB@Tomaszewski.net> There is ointment you can apply to SP2 (or any other Windows version); go to http://annoyances.org to find the solution for most Windows irritants. Kreigh Margaret Malm wrote: > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus > > Yea, Axel -- > When I got my new computer and finally got it all "straightened out" (I > thought) and started to move all of my files to the new computer, I tried to > open one of my Access datbases. It had to be converted, of course. Since I > was coming rom Win. 98. And up popped this message that I MUST download SP2 > FIRST. So I did. But I still kept getting that message for awhile -- until > I had them all converted. But now, every time I open one, I get a message > saying that if it is not from some source I am sure of, it could have > "malicious code" (which, as I understand it, is what SP2 was supposed to > prevent or filter out, or something), and I should not open it. These are > databases that I had made up myself, on my old computer!!! Sheesh! > What is SP2 doing to you? > > Margaret > > >Yo Margaret, > > >to my despair, I got a far worse bug... it's called SP2 (or service pack 2) > >and it was written by Microsoft. > ;-))) > > >I hate them... I really do... sigh... > > >You do all that's possible to protect yourself against attacks from > >hackers, > >viruses, Trojans, worms... and then the guys that wrote your OS stab you in > >the back. May they suffer an infestation of big, creepy and inedible bugs. > > Axel From tangojuli at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 20:35:44 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Wed Mar 2 20:35:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa In-Reply-To: <200503030201.j2321M90000436@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050303043544.67313.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> Kreigh & Teresa- Connecting w/ CFMS & AFMS and others is a great idea. Unfortunately, I can't give a weblink until the survey is built (and on the server). I will get cranking on drafts for the listserve to take a look at this weekend and hopefully we'll have a weblink at that time, if still only in draft form. We still might be able to give clubs enough time to print the weblink information in their newsletters for their members before the survey expires. Good thinking on the timing issue. I wonder how many clubs are communicating electronically nowadays and what percentage of members are webbed/wired. Something the survey won't necessary reveal. Stay tuned for more! tina ate: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:15:58 -0500 From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] rockhound survey replies-- To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <42253C0D.56BA@Tomaszewski.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tina, Perhaps you could have Teresa send on info about the survey website to the Affiliated Clubs and gain a much wider group of participants. The follow up with results would help most clubs in the US. You might want to give Teresa the website link ASAP (in cover letter, offline) to communicate before it goes live, as it will take some time to get distributed (announce a couple weeks when the survey can be taken -- beat the deadline for the list and you can sample two groups mostly divided by time); most clubs have a monthly cycle of communication. Kreigh T.A.Masters wrote: > > Tina, > I am Chair of the CFMS Publicity/Public Relations Committee. I know your > information can be sent on to each and every Society within CFMS, and of > course AFMS. > > I would be happy to forward this on for you. > > Teresa Masters __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 2 21:06:39 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 2 20:55:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry References: <030220052342.15391.42264F6F00067FD100003C1F216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <4226989E.756E@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Pete (and List), I came across another link that has some great pictures of the Hawaiian volcanos, and some great background information Hawaiian OIBS. Tholeiites, Picrites and Alkali Basalt Series ... the two largest volcanoes Mauna Loa and the extinct Mauna Kea towering (if a hill with a ... alkali basalts, hawaiites, mugearites and some trachyte and phonolite. These constitute the ... http://www.geokem.com/volcanic-hawaii.html I've already put queries into a few labs to see how well they can differentiate the basalts, and either confirm phonolite from a specimen, or give a corrected identification. BTW, Any suggestions about how to best approach identification (SEM, XRD, ThinSlice/'scope, wetlab, etc.) so I can better discern their responses? I knew this was going to be another case of "hi ho, hi ho, its off to the lab we go", so I started asking early. I'm just waiting for the rest of the responses before packing a specimen. More to come... Kreigh pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > Hi, to Kreigh and the rest of the List, > > I said I'd follow up on that question of "is the dense, somewhat 'musical' rock at the adz quarry on Mauna Kea, phonolite, or something different?". > > I did look up a report & geologic map on Mauna Kea, and there is a "perfect" report & map on this, it's USGS Professional Paper 1557, "The geology and petrology of Mauna Kea Volcano, Hawaii--a study of postshield volcanism", by Wolfe, Wise, and Dalrymple, publ. 1997, 129 pp. + 4 map plates. (price is $14.00) (It's not light reading, it's for someone who REALLY wants to know everything there is to know about the lavas of Mauna Kea.) > > > > PPT] Composition of Volcanic Rocks > File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint 97 - View as HTML > ... Total alkali-silica (Na2O +K2O vs SiO2) diagram ... Result = IUGS Classification > of Aphanitic and Glassy Volcanic Rocks. Dark field from previous slide ... > ace.acadiau.ca/science/geol/nvwagon/ volcanology/comp%20and%20classif%2005.ppt - Similar pages > > If you scroll to page 17 of the above document, you'll see the diagram. Phonolites are lavas of intermediate silica content (around 53-65 wt. % SiO2) but very high alkali content (>12 wt. % combined Na2O+K2O). (Typical Hawaiian basalts are more like 2-4 combined wt. % Na2O + K2O.) In the diagram shown in PP 1557, the points plotted for composition of Mauna Kea lavas lie totally within the "hawaiite", "mugearite", and "benmoreite" fields, and not anywhere near the boundary with phonolite; none ar > > FYI, > Basalt with extra Na+K = Hawaiite; > Basaltic andesite with extra Na+K = Mugearite; > Andesite with extra Na+K = Benmoreite; > Dacite with extra Na+K = Trachyte > (Mugearite or Benmoreite with LOTS of extra Na+K = Phonolite) > > I haven't searched exhaustively (and I haven't looked yet at all those references that Kreigh sent), but the only definite reference I've seen to phonolite in the Hawaiian islands is on a webpage listing rock types found on each volcano or island, which lists phonolite as present on Kaula, one of the very smallest of the islands, composed of a single tuff cone (and used for bombing practice). > http://wwwshs1.bham.wednet.edu/curric/science/geophys/desmul/explvo.htm > > A search on the comprehensive "GEOREF" literature database comes up with 0 hits for phonolite + Manua Kea, or for phonolite + Hawaii. > > Going now to the geologic and other topographic maps that are including as plates in PP 1557, the Keanakakoi "ancient quarry" is clearly shown on the maps, at about elev. 12,400', just west of the summit road, and just east of Puu Kookoolau (I'm sure, from web descriptions I've looked at, that this "ancient quarry" is the same place as the "adz quarry" we've been talking about.) The quarry symbol on the geologic map is shown in the lava type designated "hlf", and immediately on the west side of > > According to the map legend, hlf is basalt flows of the Liloe Spring Volcanic Member of the Hamakua Volcanics (Pleistocene Epoch), composed of--well, I'll spare you the whole long paragraph describing it, but it is all, basalt. > > hhf is basalt flows of the Hopukani Springs Volcanic Member of the Hamakua Volcanics (likewise, Pleistocene), which include (I'll repeat a few more details here), picrite (which is olivine-rich basalt) and ankaramite (basalt rich in both olivine and pyroxene phenocrysts). > > So, there really seems to be no honest-to-gosh phonolite on Mauna Kea or anywhere on the Big Island, and the rock at the adz quarry does, indeed, seem to be simply, "dense basalt". That's all I've seen it referred to in some of the (non-technical) websites that describe the quarry; just "dense basalt". > > I'm not sure what more I can add at this point! All that rings is not phonolite, I guess. > > cheers to all, > Pete From tam2819 at cox.net Wed Mar 2 22:51:05 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Wed Mar 2 22:51:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa References: <20050303043544.67313.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4226B3D9.9080702@cox.net> Tina, Getting club members accepting of internet has been a years long struggle. Can't tell you how many years I was shouted down while introducing Internet to Board meetings. There are people online who are well aware of the above. Sorry to say the age of some club members, and the attitude has held back advancing into the computer age. Many are on board but still insist on paper bulletins. Of course the time will come, hopefully in my life time. Let me know how I may help. Teresa From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 01:44:27 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 01:45:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! In-Reply-To: <00a001c51f7f$d2fbeb80$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: Hi Michelle, please turn up the volume of your keyboard. We can hardly read you over here in Belgium... (another lame joke, brought to you by your transatlantic wacko ;-))) White petrified wood... we have that in Belgium. More specifically: Glyptostroboxylon tenerum, Paleocene-Eocene boundary, Hoegaarden, Belgium. The wood has been replace by quartz. A picture can be seen at http://www.xs4all.nl/~pr5oost/planten.htm (scroll down 3/4 page). There sometimes are several perfectly conserved features in it like boreholes from termites and I believe even insect eggs. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee Verzonden: donderdag 3 maart 2005 0:30 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! Welcome Michelle! This list has some amazing folks! I've been on for about a year and I am fascinated and astounded at the knowledge and experience and willingness, no, enthusiactic happiness with, answering questions! Don't be afraid to ask. And white petrified wood could be any number of minerals that replaced the original wood, from limestone or calcium carbonate or many other possibilities. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle B." > Hi, > My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 .....I > don't suppose anyone out there has heard of white petrified wood, I think > I have at least two pieces. I have one listed for sale on IOffer.com and > another one I just discovered in my first batch of tumbler fodder! I look > forward to reading everyones email. > Thanks, Michelle > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 01:52:22 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 01:52:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <00b101c51f80$ec24d940$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: Hello Rick, Is Walden a common name in the US? We met a Chauncy Walden who gave a speech about mineral collecting in the Rockies in (I think it was) 2002. A good one too, for that matter. Since we're a Belgian mineral club he was one of our International Speakers (mind the capitals ;-)))) Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee Verzonden: donderdag 3 maart 2005 0:38 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Introduction Welcome Rick! We are in LA (Lower Alabama) near the Gulf. What is near Hazel Green? Our children are grown also which allows us to indulge in our own interests more. I hope you enjoy learning from and contributing to the list as much as most of us. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction > Hello, > > My name is Rick Walden and I live in north Alabama in the Hazel Green > area. I have always been a Geology enthusiast and have scanned the ground > for specimens almost all my life. I am not currently a collector; however. > I have been wanting to join a club for years and get involved with some > field trips or something. I, for some reason, love the geodes and would > love to find a place to look for them and other things of course. > I have a BA degree, but have pondered the possibility of another degree in > Earth Science or geology. I am in need of something that I enjoy and just > have never slowed down enough to do anything about it or other things have > just gotten in the way. > I would like to join a club and get involved with it and enjoy a little > life for a change. > I have a spouse and 6 kids and many, many critters (animal lover too). I > say kids, but most are young adults; 27,25,22,20,16 and 14. > Thanks for listening! > > Rick > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 02:51:35 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 02:51:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chaxel? In-Reply-To: <007001c51f5c$9aec31f0$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: Helloitty, just to say: it's not because I have no Na2Ca2(CO3)3 in my collection that I can't try to make my messages shorter. Ch.A. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox Verzonden: woensdag 2 maart 2005 20:18 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Chaxel? Chaxel? Oh, I see...contraction of "Cheers" and "Axel." I like it. Alohitty. ... (One sentence... I ought to > be punished for that ;-))) > > Chaxel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 03:41:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 03:41:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus In-Reply-To: <030220051946.14928.4226180000028AF000003A502197913363CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Me too, Jeanette... On pot of tath, I smee to have deeploved an knid of laidsexy that is ega alerted. As a result, I always have to go back over my writings and put the letters in the right order. The above sentence would then look like: "On top of that, I seem to have developed a kind of dyslexia that is age related." I'll pause here while you get your breath back... ..... ..... Try to think of football... my friends say that it helps sometimes... ..... Ready? OK: I have the same problem with remembering mineral names, but ONLY TWO. There is no way on earth that I can recall the mineral of which hiddenite is a variety. I know that it doesn't end in ITE or INE but if I want to recall the name I would have to look it up. The second one is the mercury sulfide that forms those red crystals... some lovely crystals came from China and it's also very famous from Almaden, Spain. All other common mineral names I can remember without any problem. Graxel (OK Rik?) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens geenet2@mchsi.com Verzonden: woensdag 2 maart 2005 20:46 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM virus I'm not an expert, but I figured it out. :-) Some of my friends think I am tho, ;-) they call me for tech support for some of the dumbast things (pun intended). To me computers are easy, but rock nomenclature is greek to me. No matter how many times I see it written, I can't remember mineral names. And.....I usually write the way I talk, long rambling, stream of consciousness ideas that can't quite keep up the the way my brain flits from one subject to another, probably AADD and I get distracted very easily like when I'm using my rock polisher and the phone rings and I talk for awhile, then fix something to eat, check out the news...while the drip cup is running but the drip-into cup is overflowing onto the floor...so I have to mop the floor up, then can't remember where I put the rock I was working on when the phone rang... Jeanette > I know that, Jeanette ;-))) > But where do we stick the boutade "a PC in every home" if you have to be a > specialist to make your PC bypass the patronizing "do's & don'ts" that > Microsoft imposes upon us to camouflage the fact that their operating system > is a Gruyere cheese when it comes to security... (One sentence... I ought to > be punished for that ;-))) > > Chaxel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens geenet2@mchsi.com > Verzonden: woensdag 2 maart 2005 17:47 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Someone on the list has the PE_BUGBEAR.DAM > virus > > > Axel, > You know there's a setting in there that will change that. It's your > security > settings that treat every attachment as "EVIL". Glenn's machine has XP and > he > changed his settings so he could get all the stupid jokes sent around by his > cohorts. You can either have security or inconvenience.... > As long as there are people out there with nothing better to do with their > lives than #$%&^ up other people's computers, namely hackers, spammers, etc. > and since we really WANT to live in a "connected" world, we'll have to deal > with this and MS will constantly have to TRY to stay one step ahead of them. > For every fix, someone finds a way around it, so the contest goes on. This > is > just a fact of life with computers. IF Apple hadn't been so greedy, and had > become the dominant computer system in the world, there would be viruses, > trojans, and spyware infecting THEIR machines too. > JMHO > Jeanette > > > > Margaret wrote > > > > >Sheesh! > > >What is SP2 doing to you? > > > > Just telling you NOT to open any files or visit any other web sites than > > Microsoft's (unsafe!!! Beware!!!) because they don't know how to make a > REAL > > safe OS without more wide-open backdoors than windows... > > Hey, there's an idea: why not call it Microsoft Backdoors instead of > > Windows???? (LOL) > > They could have made an efort to cement all those gaps and holes and > cracks > > in Windows to keep the bugs out but , alas, they chose the easy way out in > > Richmond. > > > > Then you go out and BUY software, rather than get a bootleg copy and then > it > > doesn't work because those idiots from Microsoft f&$%? up your > computer.... > > nice message, hu? > > > > I'm gonna throw it off my PC even if I have to reinstall every software > > since Tic Tac Toe. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 03:53:51 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 03:53:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa In-Reply-To: <4226B3D9.9080702@cox.net> Message-ID: >There are people online who are well aware of the above. Sorry to say >the age of some club members, and the attitude has held back advancing >into the computer age. Hi Tina, it's greatly a matter of budget. Making a good website means that you have to have good software AND the time to learn how to use it. This is not something to do when you have a career, two kids and a garden. Another hurdle: older people often have enormous collections. I know a guy who's 70 years old and refuses to buy a computer because "I'll be dead and decomposed before I have entered all my 15.000 specimens, that are know on typed index cards, in a database". >Many are on board but still insist on paper bulletins. Eventually they will grow extinct and resistance will wither.... ;-))) Cheers Axel From Vwalden at aol.com Thu Mar 3 04:50:50 2005 From: Vwalden at aol.com (Vwalden@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 3 04:50:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 Message-ID: <2D33CC5F.0006C85D.001B5B61@aol.com> Glenn, Hazel Green is North of Huntsville, Alabama; almost on the TN line. I love the Gulf I was born in Kissimmee and spent my High School years in Pensacola. I am hopeing to team up with someone in this area that can get me started in the rock hounding business. I have always loved it, just never pursued it any. Rick From morningstar at att.net Thu Mar 3 05:15:25 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Thu Mar 3 05:15:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa Message-ID: <030320051315.20931.42270DED00075C69000051C321603760219D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: tango juli > I wonder how many clubs are communicating > electronically nowadays and what percentage of members > are webbed/wired. Something the survey won't necessary > reveal. I have been a member of several clubs and federations, and they have all discussed 1) electronic newsletters and 2) websites to various degrees. Even the older computer-phobic members agree it is good to have a website, even if they never see it themselves; and it is usually these folks who also don't like electronic newsletters because they'll never see them. The best compromise, offered by many clubs now I think, is that members can sign up for electronic newsletters if they want them. If 50% of the members do this, it cuts postage and printing costs in half, and keeps dues down. I prefer getting paper copies myself, simply because I like to be able to underline, earmark, cut out, fold, and otherwise handle the document. As far as websites, the success of a club website depends entirely on someone actually keeping it up. The best idea for most clubs is to have a "static" web page where one of the members can put up a single page with the club info, charter, location, map, meeting info, and contacts. They also need to put significant meta-data in the headers so someone might find it more easily in a search. You only need to change this when contact info changes. Sites that try to maintain a calendar of events, current photos, and so forth are harder to maintain and, if they go out of date, make the club look dead or at least unprofessional. I have seen too many sites come and go over the last many years and I'd say that many of them don't have long lifespans. I know a few clubs and organizations who have dedeicated hobbyists, and sometimes professionals, keeping up the dynamic website. But what happens when that person goes? Food for thought, Don From murowchickj at umkc.edu Thu Mar 3 07:02:27 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (J B Murowchick) Date: Thu Mar 3 07:02:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry In-Reply-To: <030220052342.15391.42264F6F00067FD100003C1F216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Kreigh, and listers-- From your description below, it appears that the classification of the rock types is based on chemical analyses rather than mineralogy. The total alkalies (Na2O+K2O)-silica classification diagram shown in most current igneous petrology texts (e.g., Best, M.G. 2003 Igneous and Metamorphic Petrology (Blackwell Publishing) is very useful IF you have the chemical analyses handy. But I would think that for most rockhounds without access to full chemical analyses for their specimens, would modal compositions using the IUGS classification scheme for volcanic be as accurate. To confirm that Kreigh's sample is indeed a phonolite, I've proposed that we run it through the XRD and see if feldspathoids (probably nepheline or leucite) are present in the required amount. The IUGS scheme defines a phonolite as having between 10 and 60% feldspathoid, and an alkali feldspar/total feldspar > 50%. That kind of info could also be determined from a thin section, though it can be difficult with fine-grained rocks like volcanics. Would XRD be a good way to check a basalt classification, or am I missing something? Thanks, Jim __________________________________________________________ Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor Office: (816) 235-2979 Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall Fax: (816) 235-5535 University of Missouri-Kansas City E-mail: murowchickj@umkc.edu 5110 Rockhill Road Kansas City, MO 64110 on 3/2/05 5:42 PM, pjmodreski@att.net at pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > Hi, to Kreigh and the rest of the List, > > I said I'd follow up on that question of "is the dense, somewhat 'musical' > rock at the adz quarry on Mauna Kea, phonolite, or something different?". > > I did look up a report & geologic map on Mauna Kea, and there is a "perfect" > report & map on this, it's USGS Professional Paper 1557, "The geology and > petrology of Mauna Kea Volcano, Hawaii--a study of postshield volcanism", by > Wolfe, Wise, and Dalrymple, publ. 1997, 129 pp. + 4 map plates. (price is > $14.00) (It's not light reading, it's for someone who REALLY wants to know > everything there is to know about the lavas of Mauna Kea.) > > So, PP 1557 says that the lavas of Mauna Kea include (don't you love these > names) basalt, picrobasalt, hawaiite, mugearite, and benmoreite. The > relationships of these igneous rock types to each other and to better known > types like andesite, are shown in a "TAS" (total alkal-silica) diagram, which > plots wt. % Na2O + K2O against wt. % SiO2. You can see the Mauna Kea lavas > plotted on such a diagram on p. 17 (figure 5)of that USGS report, but of > course the rest of you don't have it front of you like I do, and I don't seem > to find it posted on our web pages. You can see a generic TAS diagram on the > website I've given below (I'm sure there must be others on the www, but this > is the best one I could find)--and, does anyone else have this problem, when > Google finds a "hit" but it's part of a .ppt or .pdf file, it just doesn't > work to copy the link to it as a url, I'm always somewhat at a loss of how to > reproduce the link here, but here it is: > > PPT] Composition of Volcanic Rocks > File Format: Microsoft Powerpoint 97 - View as HTML > ... Total alkali-silica (Na2O +K2O vs SiO2) diagram ... Result = IUGS > Classification > of Aphanitic and Glassy Volcanic Rocks. Dark field from previous slide ... > ace.acadiau.ca/science/geol/nvwagon/ volcanology/comp%20and%20classif%2005.ppt > - Similar pages > > If you scroll to page 17 of the above document, you'll see the diagram. > Phonolites are lavas of intermediate silica content (around 53-65 wt. % SiO2) > but very high alkali content (>12 wt. % combined Na2O+K2O). (Typical Hawaiian > basalts are more like 2-4 combined wt. % Na2O + K2O.) In the diagram shown in > PP 1557, the points plotted for composition of Mauna Kea lavas lie totally > within the "hawaiite", "mugearite", and "benmoreite" fields, and not anywhere > near the boundary with phonolite; none are high enough in alkali content. > > FYI, > Basalt with extra Na+K = Hawaiite; > Basaltic andesite with extra Na+K = Mugearite; > Andesite with extra Na+K = Benmoreite; > Dacite with extra Na+K = Trachyte > (Mugearite or Benmoreite with LOTS of extra Na+K = Phonolite) > > I haven't searched exhaustively (and I haven't looked yet at all those > references that Kreigh sent), but the only definite reference I've seen to > phonolite in the Hawaiian islands is on a webpage listing rock types found on > each volcano or island, which lists phonolite as present on Kaula, one of the > very smallest of the islands, composed of a single tuff cone (and used for > bombing practice). > http://wwwshs1.bham.wednet.edu/curric/science/geophys/desmul/explvo.htm > > A search on the comprehensive "GEOREF" literature database comes up with 0 > hits for phonolite + Manua Kea, or for phonolite + Hawaii. > > Going now to the geologic and other topographic maps that are including as > plates in PP 1557, the Keanakakoi "ancient quarry" is clearly shown on the > maps, at about elev. 12,400', just west of the summit road, and just east of > Puu Kookoolau (I'm sure, from web descriptions I've looked at, that this > "ancient quarry" is the same place as the "adz quarry" we've been talking > about.) The quarry symbol on the geologic map is shown in the lava type > designated "hlf", and immediately on the west side of the quarry symbol, is a > patch of a slightly older lava, designated "hhf". > > According to the map legend, hlf is basalt flows of the Liloe Spring Volcanic > Member of the Hamakua Volcanics (Pleistocene Epoch), composed of--well, I'll > spare you the whole long paragraph describing it, but it is all, basalt. > > hhf is basalt flows of the Hopukani Springs Volcanic Member of the Hamakua > Volcanics (likewise, Pleistocene), which include (I'll repeat a few more > details here), picrite (which is olivine-rich basalt) and ankaramite (basalt > rich in both olivine and pyroxene phenocrysts). > > So, there really seems to be no honest-to-gosh phonolite on Mauna Kea or > anywhere on the Big Island, and the rock at the adz quarry does, indeed, seem > to be simply, "dense basalt". That's all I've seen it referred to in some of > the (non-technical) websites that describe the quarry; just "dense basalt". > > I'm not sure what more I can add at this point! All that rings is not > phonolite, I guess. > > cheers to all, > Pete > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 07:04:05 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Mar 3 07:04:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050303150405.44417.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> My local club (west of Chicago) has a website with current bulletin info, and also a dead-tree bulletin. Not sure how many members access the electronic version. I do, because I generally get the paper version quite late. It will probably be a long time before the club will convert to all-electronic. I also belong to the Society of Plastics Engineers, Vinyl Division. That organization has just now gone all-electronic for its bulletin. Jim Daly --- tango juli wrote: > I wonder how many clubs are communicating > electronically nowadays and what percentage of > members > are webbed/wired. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From libawc at emory.edu Thu Mar 3 08:03:14 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Thu Mar 3 08:03:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites In-Reply-To: <030320051315.20931.42270DED00075C69000051C321603760219D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: <004c01c5200a$81f9a2f0$06be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> The Georgia Mineral Society has a great web site that really helped us grow our membership many years ago. We have a dedicated computer whiz who keeps the site up-to-date and we feel very lucky to have him. I invite you to visit us at: www.gamineral.org and see the hundreds of pages and active links for your viewing pleasure! Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:15 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: tango juli > I wonder how many clubs are communicating > electronically nowadays and what percentage of members > are webbed/wired. Something the survey won't necessary > reveal. I have been a member of several clubs and federations, and they have all discussed 1) electronic newsletters and 2) websites to various degrees. Even the older computer-phobic members agree it is good to have a website, even if they never see it themselves; and it is usually these folks who also don't like electronic newsletters because they'll never see them. The best compromise, offered by many clubs now I think, is that members can sign up for electronic newsletters if they want them. If 50% of the members do this, it cuts postage and printing costs in half, and keeps dues down. I prefer getting paper copies myself, simply because I like to be able to underline, earmark, cut out, fold, and otherwise handle the document. As far as websites, the success of a club website depends entirely on someone actually keeping it up. The best idea for most clubs is to have a "static" web page where one of the members can put up a single page with the club info, charter, location, map, meeting info, and contacts. They also need to put significant meta-data in the headers so someone might find it more easily in a search. You only need to change this when contact info changes. Sites that try to maintain a calendar of events, current photos, and so forth are harder to maintain and, if they go out of date, make the club look dead or at least unprofessional. I have seen too many sites come and go over the last many years and I'd say that many of them don't have long lifespans. I know a few clubs and organizations who have dedeicated hobbyists, and sometimes professionals, keeping up the dynamic website. But what happens when that person goes? Food for thought, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 3 09:09:08 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:09:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with HP 18" saw MOTOR choices & FULL Restoration project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050303082516.0268ef80@mail.spiritone.com> It seems that you haven't got much response here. I will try to add what I know after rebuilding 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, and 24" saws. At 11:26 AM 2/27/2005, you wrote: >Hello Everyone > >I would like to start a LENGTHY discussion of mainly motor choices for saws.. > >I realize some have explored this thread a few years back, but peoples >opinions change, motors change and technologies have changed.. > >Specifically, I have an old Highland Park 18" saw... FIRST, I REALLY KNOW >NOTHING ABOUT SAWS OR MOTORS, or saws for that matter etc, etc The HP is the best "old" saw you can get. If you find one with a hydrostatic feed, you have the best saw money can buy. Covington, IMO, is the best "new" saw you can buy, albeit at a rather steep price. >This saw is need of some repairs.. New bearings, new brass grips on the vice >screw feed lock down, name of part ? ..., new cut off switch, new hood, etc.. >probably about $700 to $900 Max in repairs ?.. I doubt it. The vise can be remachined by Diamond Pacific for $45 + S&H; I have had numerous vises done by them. Bearings are cheap from www.mcmaster.com; Expect to pay at most $15 for the 3/4" or 1" arbor bearings. Cutoff switches are the hardest part to find; you have to look on the contacts for the mfgr part # & go from there. You can make a hood easily enough from sheet metal; crimping it together so that it doesn't leak is the hardest part there. All my hoods leak as the all will with years of oil finding its way through the crimps. >Also, ANY advice on it's full recovery from illness, / its full restoration, >is greatly appreciated as well !! > >Of course a good motor is of key importance I think ? And I know there are >many opinions and choices, so I would like to explore the many choices and >the >multiple reason why each motor choice could be the best one for me >overall.... > >1 - I would like to know the HP recommended for this 18" work horse...1/2 or >3/4 or etc.. I use a 3/4 HP on my 18"; this is plenty unless you are really forcing the rock in to the blade (not recommended!). I always recommend 230V power; it saves power and is much easier on the motor as far as starting. I have switched all my motors to 230 from the 14" saw on up. >2 - The RPM speeds, etc, etc...Tech info. That depends on your blade and what you are cutting. MK Diamond has an excellent chart that shows recommended rim speeds for all their blades. It is easy to calculate rim speed from motor RPM using calculators found on the net. >3 - Whether an AC or DC motor is better and why.. DC? No way Jose! Unless you really want to spend way more than you need to... >4 - Can a good Speed Control Box be used, if so.. What are the advantages of >a speed control box, versus the standard 3 sized pulley speed control >procedures always used. No! It costs a fortune (over $300 for a good one) and has no use other than to wear out the motor prematurely. If 3 pulleys isn't enough to adjust your feed rate then you are doing something wrong. >5 - AC speed control box and AC motor - VERSUS an - DC speed control box >and DC motor... See above... >6 - Permanent magnet type versus NON magnet type / Shunt Wound copper... > >7 - Best quality motors ? Leeson, Baldor etc Leeson Farm Duty is a good motor. Anything rated for constant duty is fine for a saw. Capacitor start is a plus; it has overload protection built in. What you want is a "Capacitor Start Base-Mount Single-Phase AC Motor ". >8 - ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL THAT COMES UP Regarding the restoration of this >Highland Park 18" Check the brass worm gear & worm drive on the feed. These wear out early & often. I am replacing the one on my 18" Frantom this week. Unless you weld be prepared for sticker shock! You didn't mention the blade, the most important part of the saw, IMO. I stick with the MK-303 for smaller saws and the 301 Gemking for anything 14" & over. A cheap blade is the #1 reason people get frustrated with slabbing rock. You should see the emails I get :) >A BIG THANK YOU ! > >RocknLight Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 3 09:10:52 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:10:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! In-Reply-To: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050303090954.026a9c78@mail.spiritone.com> White wood is relatively common at a few locations in WA & OR. I have a few pieces from the Yakima-Vantage area and Bear Creek in OR... At 07:34 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote: >Hi, >My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 when my >parents moved us to Richland, Wa and I found my first agate!! I am now 37, >the mother of two and grandmother of 1 beautiful baby girl (4 months!!). I >am a massage therapist and artist and I used and sell stones at arts and >crafts fairs and festivals around Washington State. I have recently dug my >tumblers back out and am at that again. I have said for a long time the >measure of a truly loving husband is how many times he'll move your boxes >of rocks from one rental to another without "losing" any along the way, >lol! When I started gather stones from the nocks and crannies I couldn't >believe how much I had actually kept around! Once a rock fiend always a >rock fiend!! I have found a rock shop in Spanaway where you can use their >lapidary shop and equipment for an hourly fee if anyone is interested! >It's a little ways out there but worth the drive, really sweet people. > >O.K. that's enough about me, I don't suppose anyone out there has heard of >white petrified wood, I think I have at least two pieces. I have one >listed for sale on IOffer.com and another one I just discovered in my >first batch of tumbler fodder! I look forward to reading everyones email. >Thanks, Michelle Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 09:15:41 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:17:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China was bugbear virus References: Message-ID: <002801c52014$a0f87780$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> > Try to think of football... my friends say that it helps sometimes... > ..... Nope, football won't not help. I only think about football during the college football season, nad hten only during the 4th quarter. The only one that counts. I have the same problem with remembering mineral names, but ONLY TWO. > There is no way on earth that I can recall the mineral of which hiddenite is > a variety. I know that it doesn't end in ITE or INE but if I want to recall > the name I would have to look it up. > The second one is the mercury sulfide that forms those red crystals... some > lovely crystals came from China and it's also very famous from Almaden, > Spain. Cinnabar??? Greetinette From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 09:35:15 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:36:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! References: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050303090954.026a9c78@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <006d01c52017$5c7475c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> We have found white limestoney petrified wood in Clarke County Alabama. Not very pretty! No crystals like Alabama Brilliant wood. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! > White wood is relatively common at a few locations in WA & OR. I have a few > pieces from the Yakima-Vantage area and Bear Creek in OR... > > At 07:34 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote: > > >Hi, > >My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 when my > >parents moved us to Richland, Wa and I found my first agate!! I am now 37, > >the mother of two and grandmother of 1 beautiful baby girl (4 months!!). I > >am a massage therapist and artist and I used and sell stones at arts and > >crafts fairs and festivals around Washington State. I have recently dug my > >tumblers back out and am at that again. I have said for a long time the > >measure of a truly loving husband is how many times he'll move your boxes > >of rocks from one rental to another without "losing" any along the way, > >lol! When I started gather stones from the nocks and crannies I couldn't > >believe how much I had actually kept around! Once a rock fiend always a > >rock fiend!! I have found a rock shop in Spanaway where you can use their > >lapidary shop and equipment for an hourly fee if anyone is interested! > >It's a little ways out there but worth the drive, really sweet people. > > > >O.K. that's enough about me, I don't suppose anyone out there has heard of > >white petrified wood, I think I have at least two pieces. I have one > >listed for sale on IOffer.com and another one I just discovered in my > >first batch of tumbler fodder! I look forward to reading everyones email. > >Thanks, Michelle > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Mar 3 07:50:05 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:38:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and returnofitemsinternationally? References: <200503011757.j21HvXYd024560@outmx017.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: <000801c52017$ba2216a0$564127c4@privatehome> I have sent about 10 000 parcels overseas from South Africa over the past thirty plus years. I always indicate on the parcel slip (small green label if parcvel weighs less than 2 kg, some countries only 1 kg) that the contents are "Geological specimens - no commercial value") and have never had any problems, except for Canada. Canada does not allow ANY sand samples to enter the country and they are promptly returned. This is also one reason, why there are no members of "Sand Collectors International" (which I founded 20 years ago) living in Canada. For parcels to be sent to me, I also request the senderr to use the same wording - no problem on this side. Sometimes new contacts do put on a dollar value and then it is the luck of the draw whether I have to pay duty or not. Lately they have charged me a "clearance fee" in such cases. I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. Regards, Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and returnofitemsinternationally? > Whether or not you should indicate a value depends completely on the mood > of the officer and the country in question. > I once sent a parcel to a colleague in Canada and put a low value on it (5 > $ or so). The colleague was mad because due > to the small amount I filled in as value, he had to pick up the parcel > nearly 100 km away, and he requested me never to > fill in a value again. > > Since at least 5 years I have always put "nihil" as value, and never had > any problem. > On the other hand, I always declare officially specimens that I bought. > > Another tip : don't put any label at all in your parcel, just number the > specimens and send the labels or list by e-mail > (or even by post in an envelope). In that way you can't have difficulties > in most cases. > The problem is that in many countries a list exist of "ornamental stones, > or stones that can be used for ornamental > works of art, jewelry etc.". Even very common minerals, such as quartz, > fluorite etc. are on that list. In theory here > in Belgium you would even need an import licence to import e.g. a piece of > azurite. And in the law there is no exception > foreseen for a piece of rock of a kilo, containing a crystal of 1 mm of > azurite... it all depends on the reasonablility > of the officer. > In practice I was nearly always able to convince the custom's officer that > the pieces in the parcel could never be used > really to make artworks out of it. > > Of course, don't try to smuggle e.g. diamonds or so in Antwerp... they > know that stuff very well here ! > Greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schmidt > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:13 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return > ofitemsinternationally? > > never write something as undefined as "negligable"....to someone worth > $10,000, that means $10...to someone worth $100,000,000, that means > $50,000. > I guarantee you a customs agent is going to think a $5.00 emerald crystal > is > worth $10,000 because it's an "emerald" > > always give an amount, or customs will assign an amount! $5, $10, > $20....whatever. EVERYHTING has value...even if it is only $1.00 > > also, never write a name as specific as emerald, or sapphire, or > ruby.....say something like opaque red or blue corndum crystal, hexagonal > green beryl crystal in matrix.....don't let their extremely limited > knowledge (basic ignorance) of gems and minerals cost you money by them > assigning huge values to common items and YOU having to later disprove it. > > I once specified on a fossil shipment the words "dinosaur eggs". BIG > MISTAKE! They almost ended up in Agriculture because the woman ACTUALLY > thought there were still live little baby dinosaurs in them! It took me > 20 > minutes of very patient explaining to convince her otherwise...all because > of Jurassic Park!!! I never again labelled them that way and never again > had a problem in more than 50 shipments. > > the proper description for minerals/fossils is: > > 9705.00.00 Collections and collector's pieces of zoological, botanical, > mineralogical, .......palaeonyological interest. > > subcategories: 9705.00.00.40 Mineralogical > > > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair and return of > itemsinternationally? > > >> Don, >> >> 97050000 Mineral specimens for identification, negligable cash value. >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> >> morningstar@att.net wrote: >>> >>> Yes this is on-topic, basically... >>> >>> In the past, people have mentioned some sort of harmonized international >>> tariff list, which we used mainly to find the code for "scientific >>> specimens with no commercial value." >>> >>> I have looked for this document on the net and cannot find it. Right >>> now >>> I need the code that declares something like "this is a used item being >>> sent overseas for repair and return," so that neither of us pays VAT or >>> customs tax and so forth. >>> >>> The items are calcite prism polarizers for my petrographic >>> microscope--there is the topical link! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Don >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Bozo5 at aol.com Thu Mar 3 09:38:53 2005 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 3 09:38:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with HP 18" saw MOTOR choices & FULL Restoration project Message-ID: <1ad.32a406d3.2f58a5ad@aol.com> In a message dated 3/3/2005 9:09:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: >8 - ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL THAT COMES UP Regarding the restoration of this >Highland Park 18" Check the brass worm gear & worm drive on the feed. These wear out early & often. I am replacing the one on my 18" Frantom this week. Unless you weld be prepared for sticker shock! Is the brass clamping-nut available? I've twice ground mine to allow the halves to close farther, but next time I think it's time for a new one. I expect if I do it again the springs won't close tightly enough. If I put in shorter or stiffer springs then it won't open right. I had imagined I would have to cast my own nut. My cut-off switch is just a toggle switch with a split piece of tubing over the toggle. They're available anywhere. I don't know how it was originally, but that's how mine was when I got it. Flint (my Frantom 14" looks just like the 18") --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 10:02:25 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:02:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China was bugbear virus In-Reply-To: <002801c52014$a0f87780$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: >Nope, football won't not help. I only think about football during the >college football season, If I did that, my wife would complain... ;-))) That's the advantage of being a woman I guess. >Cinnabar??? Yep, that's the one and spodumene is the other one... I remembered it on the exact moment I hit the send-button. >Greetinette Wouhahahaaaargn... Seems like I 've started a new rage... Byaxel _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From italianminerals at libero.it Thu Mar 3 10:20:04 2005 From: italianminerals at libero.it (Italian Minerals) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:20:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - web site UPDATE !!! Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20050303191154.01d3a868@popmail.libero.it> Hi there, I have just update my website with a lot of specimens from Brasil, Italy, Marocco, USA, Africa ! If you have time visit these pages to see what is new !!! http://www.italianminerals.com/Sudamerica/Brasil-1.html for kosnarite, brasilianite, fluorapatite, herderite http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/Paesina.htm for paesina stone (landscape stone!) from Florence, Italy http://www.italianminerals.com/AFRICA/MADAGASCAR1.html for londonite, almandine, rutile, columbite http://www.italianminerals.com/Pre-TUCSON2005-01.html for stokesite, titanite, topaz, fluornatromicrolite, smoky quartz, hollandite There is more to see on the pages of each continent. Regards to everybody, Alessandro ============================= Italian Minerals http://www.italianminerals.com quality minerals from Italy and worldwide ============================= From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 10:33:04 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:34:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR References: Message-ID: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> wow, I can't believe I correctly named a mineral from a general description. Good guess! Salutette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China was bugbear virus > >Nope, football won't not help. I only think about football during the > >college football season, > > If I did that, my wife would complain... ;-))) > That's the advantage of being a woman I guess. > > >Cinnabar??? > > Yep, that's the one and spodumene is the other one... I remembered it on the > exact moment I hit the send-button. > > >Greetinette > > Wouhahahaaaargn... Seems like I 've started a new rage... > > Byaxel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 3 10:40:58 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:40:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with HP 18" saw MOTOR choices & FULL Restoration project In-Reply-To: <1ad.32a406d3.2f58a5ad@aol.com> References: <1ad.32a406d3.2f58a5ad@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050303103900.02725490@mail.spiritone.com> At 09:38 AM 3/3/2005, you wrote: > >In a message dated 3/3/2005 9:09:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, >tim@orerockon.com writes: > > >8 - ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL THAT COMES UP Regarding the restoration of this > >Highland Park 18" >Check the brass worm gear & worm drive on the feed. These wear out early & >often. I am replacing the one on my 18" Frantom this week. Unless you weld >be prepared for sticker shock! > > >Is the brass clamping-nut available? I've twice ground mine to allow the >halves to close farther, but next time I think it's time for a new one. I >expect if I do it again the springs won't close tightly enough. If I put in >shorter or stiffer springs then it won't open right. I had imagined I >would have >to cast my own nut. That is a different part than the worm drive, which is on the back of the Frantom and on the front of the HP. I called that the vise clamp, they are remachined by DP for $45 + S&H. >My cut-off switch is just a toggle switch with a split piece of tubing over >the toggle. They're available anywhere. I don't know how it was >originally, but that's how mine was when I got it. > >Flint (my Frantom 14" looks just like the 18") They work, but not as well as the HP design, which is almost foolproof. You can mount the switch, if you can find it, on any saw. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 3 10:46:13 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 3 10:46:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD - web site UPDATE !!! In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050303191154.01d3a868@popmail.libero.it> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20050303191154.01d3a868@popmail.libero.it> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050303104137.0270a948@mail.spiritone.com> I do occasionally post advertisements to this list. However, I thought that unless you had something to say, other than "buy my stuff", you should be posting to a list whose purpose is to say "buy my stuff", aka the rocks for sale list on Yahoo that is run by Mr. Keller. Just frustrated that the rules for list participation are not being applied universally :( Especially to a spammer who had to receive a complaint relayed via their ISP before I was finally removed from their "opt-in" list (yeah right, because I posted to this list I "opted in"? BS!) At 10:20 AM 3/3/2005, you wrote: >Hi there, > > I have just update my website with a lot of specimens from > Brasil, Italy, Marocco, USA, Africa ! >If you have time visit these pages to see what is new !!! >http://www.italianminerals.com/Sudamerica/Brasil-1.html for kosnarite, >brasilianite, fluorapatite, herderite >http://www.italianminerals.com/ITALY/Paesina.htm for paesina stone >(landscape stone!) from Florence, Italy >http://www.italianminerals.com/AFRICA/MADAGASCAR1.html for londonite, >almandine, rutile, columbite >http://www.italianminerals.com/Pre-TUCSON2005-01.html for stokesite, >titanite, topaz, fluornatromicrolite, smoky quartz, hollandite >There is more to see on the pages of each continent. >Regards to everybody, > Alessandro > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 11:10:14 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 11:10:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair andreturnofitemsinternationally? In-Reply-To: <000801c52017$ba2216a0$564127c4@privatehome> Message-ID: >I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some >fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. Horst, by all means.... please enlighten us ;-))) Axelings From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 11:26:11 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR In-Reply-To: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: You did... yeay and cheers and rejoyces... cinnabar But you obviously do not know Dutch! My apologies to the list members with young children... please cover their eyes while you read on. Salutette??? I think that the Belgian list members are now in a state of continuous giggle... a sort of terminal laughter that causes eyes to pop and veins to burst... Let me explain: - Salu is slang for "goodbye" (comes from the French "salut") - Tette is slang for breasts I can hear Al from "Married with children" say it... "Ciao hooters" which would be the best possible translation for "salutette" Am I right or what? Now is the time to speak up , Rik... Cheerszeweers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: donderdag 3 maart 2005 19:33 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR wow, I can't believe I correctly named a mineral from a general description. Good guess! Salutette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China was bugbear virus > >Nope, football won't not help. I only think about football during the > >college football season, > > If I did that, my wife would complain... ;-))) > That's the advantage of being a woman I guess. > > >Cinnabar??? > > Yep, that's the one and spodumene is the other one... I remembered it on the > exact moment I hit the send-button. > > >Greetinette > > Wouhahahaaaargn... Seems like I 've started a new rage... > > Byaxel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 11:35:10 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 11:35:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites In-Reply-To: <004c01c5200a$81f9a2f0$06be8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our website. Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html Chaxeerzel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Anita Westlake Verzonden: donderdag 3 maart 2005 17:03 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Club Websites The Georgia Mineral Society has a great web site that really helped us grow our membership many years ago. We have a dedicated computer whiz who keeps the site up-to-date and we feel very lucky to have him. I invite you to visit us at: www.gamineral.org and see the hundreds of pages and active links for your viewing pleasure! Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:15 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: tango juli > I wonder how many clubs are communicating > electronically nowadays and what percentage of members > are webbed/wired. Something the survey won't necessary > reveal. I have been a member of several clubs and federations, and they have all discussed 1) electronic newsletters and 2) websites to various degrees. Even the older computer-phobic members agree it is good to have a website, even if they never see it themselves; and it is usually these folks who also don't like electronic newsletters because they'll never see them. The best compromise, offered by many clubs now I think, is that members can sign up for electronic newsletters if they want them. If 50% of the members do this, it cuts postage and printing costs in half, and keeps dues down. I prefer getting paper copies myself, simply because I like to be able to underline, earmark, cut out, fold, and otherwise handle the document. As far as websites, the success of a club website depends entirely on someone actually keeping it up. The best idea for most clubs is to have a "static" web page where one of the members can put up a single page with the club info, charter, location, map, meeting info, and contacts. They also need to put significant meta-data in the headers so someone might find it more easily in a search. You only need to change this when contact info changes. Sites that try to maintain a calendar of events, current photos, and so forth are harder to maintain and, if they go out of date, make the club look dead or at least unprofessional. I have seen too many sites come and go over the last many years and I'd say that many of them don't have long lifespans. I know a few clubs and organizations who have dedeicated hobbyists, and sometimes professionals, keeping up the dynamic website. But what happens when that person goes? Food for thought, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Mar 3 12:04:06 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:04:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry Message-ID: <030320052004.5503.42276DB5000F37320000157F216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Jim, Kreigh, & anyone else on the list who cares about such an (esoteric?) matter as the exact composition of a particular lava on Mauna Kea... The IUGS says re. classification of volcanic rocks, "(a) if modes are available, volcanic rocks should be classified and named according to their position in the QAPF diagram" ["modes" means the actual percentages of minerals in the rock, as generally determined from point-counting on a thin section--a somewhat tedious process and requiring considerable skill in petrography, also basically impossible if the volcanic rock is fine-grained, or if it is partly glassy. QAPF = quartz-alkali feldspar-plagioclase-feldspathoids.] "(b) if modes are not available, chemical parameters should be used as a basis for a chemical classification..." XRD analysis is quick and simple, but it would probably give a very ambiguous result, because the accuracy for quantitative (numerical %) of the rock-forming minerals present would probably be nowhere near accurate enough. I'd not trust such data at all, for a fine-grained volcanic rock. Examining a thin section of the lava would probably enable one to tell, by comparison with descriptions of known lava types, approximately what the rock is. Cost of a single thin section would be by far the cheapest of any method of examination (only around $10-$15 I think); but it does take skill & experience to know just exactly what one is looking at, and without clear-cut examples or photomicrographs of basalt vs. hawaiite vs. phonolite, etc., to compare to, interpretation would still be dicey. A chemical analysis that would simply give the wt. % K2O, Na2O, and SiO2 (or, K, Na, and Si) would suffice and would be the easiest and least ambiguous way to distinguish these various types of lava. Analysis of any other elements would be "interesting" but not essential. And, P.S. to Kreigh, I had also looked at that very nice "oceanic volcanism" website, http://www.geokem.com/volcanic-hawaii.html Yes, it does mention phonolite as one of the rock types on Maui, but in the rest of the more detailed writeup on that site, it never says anything about phonolite. Got to watch what one thinks one reads--in other references I'd looked at, I think there was reference in one article to phonolite, not as being present as an entire actual rock sample, but as only the composition of the small amounts of interstial glass in a lavasample--i.e., the last-to-solidify, fractionated liquid left after the bulk of the rock had crystallized. This isn't the same as the entire actual rock being phonolite. I think one of our Hawaiian friends (hi, Kitty & Bill!) needs to clarify for us (or for me) about exactly what and where "Kaula" is--that I read on the one website, about being the only place mentioned where phonolite occurred. I see that Kaula does not appear in the list of islands on the Oceanic Volcanism site. I'm not quite totally sure if Kaula is an entire island, or just a single cinder cone--or what it is. Evidently it's one of the "less important" places in Hawaii. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rik.dillen at skynet.be Thu Mar 3 12:23:41 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:23:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503032023.j23KNgXl016700@outmx021.isp.belgacom.be> Yeaaaaaah ! Our webmaster Paul did a great job (and what's more : he did it in a very short time). Enjoy, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:35 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our website. Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html Chaxeerzel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Anita Westlake Verzonden: donderdag 3 maart 2005 17:03 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Club Websites The Georgia Mineral Society has a great web site that really helped us grow our membership many years ago. We have a dedicated computer whiz who keeps the site up-to-date and we feel very lucky to have him. I invite you to visit us at: www.gamineral.org and see the hundreds of pages and active links for your viewing pleasure! Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:15 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: tango juli > I wonder how many clubs are communicating > electronically nowadays and what percentage of members > are webbed/wired. Something the survey won't necessary > reveal. I have been a member of several clubs and federations, and they have all discussed 1) electronic newsletters and 2) websites to various degrees. Even the older computer-phobic members agree it is good to have a website, even if they never see it themselves; and it is usually these folks who also don't like electronic newsletters because they'll never see them. The best compromise, offered by many clubs now I think, is that members can sign up for electronic newsletters if they want them. If 50% of the members do this, it cuts postage and printing costs in half, and keeps dues down. I prefer getting paper copies myself, simply because I like to be able to underline, earmark, cut out, fold, and otherwise handle the document. As far as websites, the success of a club website depends entirely on someone actually keeping it up. The best idea for most clubs is to have a "static" web page where one of the members can put up a single page with the club info, charter, location, map, meeting info, and contacts. They also need to put significant meta-data in the headers so someone might find it more easily in a search. You only need to change this when contact info changes. Sites that try to maintain a calendar of events, current photos, and so forth are harder to maintain and, if they go out of date, make the club look dead or at least unprofessional. I have seen too many sites come and go over the last many years and I'd say that many of them don't have long lifespans. I know a few clubs and organizations who have dedeicated hobbyists, and sometimes professionals, keeping up the dynamic website. But what happens when that person goes? Food for thought, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rik.dillen at skynet.be Thu Mar 3 12:23:41 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:24:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503032023.j23KNgXm016700@outmx021.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:26 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR Am I right or what? Now is the time to speak up , Rik... [Rik Dillen] >>>>> How did you know I was listening ? My webcam was off all the time. BTW I don't know nothing about your subject, except what I have heard from others... Grik From morningstar at att.net Thu Mar 3 12:25:02 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Thu Mar 3 12:25:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair andreturnofitemsinternationally? Message-ID: <030320052025.10788.4227729D000EF4BB00002A2421603760219D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Axel Emmermann" > >I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some > >fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. > > Horst, by all means.... please enlighten us ;-))) > > Axelings Unless, of course, it involves hiding it in a place where only x-rays can see it, in which case we might not want to hear the story . . . . DD From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 3 13:03:04 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:03:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repairandreturnofitemsinternationally? In-Reply-To: <030320052025.10788.4227729D000EF4BB00002A2421603760219D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: >>Unless, of course, it involves hiding it in a >>place where only x-rays can see it, in which >>case we might not want to hear the story . . . . But our wives an daughters do... now is not the time to be shy or bashful ;-))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens morningstar@att.net Verzonden: donderdag 3 maart 2005 21:25 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repairandreturnofitemsinternationally? -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Axel Emmermann" > >I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some > >fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. > > Horst, by all means.... please enlighten us ;-))) > > Axelings Unless, of course, it involves hiding it in a place where only x-rays can see it, in which case we might not want to hear the story . . . . DD _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com Thu Mar 3 13:38:38 2005 From: rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com (RockHounds: The Movie) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:41:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! Message-ID: Don: In response to your question, "RockHounds: the Movie" is an independent documentary film. The purpose is to introduce a broad audience to the hobby of gem & mineral collecting. We've just about got it done. We're currently putting the finishing touches on it right now. Since it is an independent film, we don't currently have a distribtuion deal. The film will start to tour the film festival circuit soon and will hopefully get the attention of some distributors (television/home video etc.). Also we plan to distribute it ourselves to any Gem & Mineral Shows that are interested in showing it. If anyone is involved in any shows and might be interested please feel free to contact me. The long range goal of the project is to have a weekly national "RockHounds" television series on one of the outdoor themed cable channels. Hope that answers your question. Thanks, Todd Kent Director/Producer "RockHounds: The Movie" http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com Message: 8 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:21:51 -0500 From: Don H Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <4219FC8F.2040504@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi, What is the general purpose of this video? Is it expected to show on TV? To what audience is it geared? Don _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 3 13:58:51 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 3 13:44:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry References: <030320052004.5503.42276DB5000F37320000157F216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <4227854B.1B6A@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, Kaula Island is the top 150 meters of a single volcano sticking out of the ocean 20 or so miles WSW of Niihau. See http://www.janeresture.com/kaula/ for details of this tiny island. Kreigh pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > Jim, Kreigh, & anyone else on the list who cares about such an (esoteric?) matter as the exact composition of a particular lava on Mauna Kea... > > The IUGS says re. classification of volcanic rocks, > "(a) if modes are available, volcanic rocks should be classified and named according to their position in the QAPF diagram" > ["modes" means the actual percentages of minerals in the rock, as generally determined from point-counting on a thin section--a somewhat tedious process and requiring considerable skill in petrography, also basically impossible if the volcanic rock is fine-grained, or if it is partly glassy. QAPF = quartz-alkali feldspar-plagioclase-feldspathoids.] > "(b) if modes are not available, chemical parameters should be used as a basis for a chemical classification..." > > XRD analysis is quick and simple, but it would probably give a very ambiguous result, because the accuracy for quantitative (numerical %) of the rock-forming minerals present would probably be nowhere near accurate enough. I'd not trust such data at all, for a fine-grained volcanic rock. > > Examining a thin section of the lava would probably enable one to tell, by comparison with descriptions of known lava types, approximately what the rock is. Cost of a single thin section would be by far the cheapest of any method of examination (only around $10-$15 I think); but it does take skill & experience to know just exactly what one is looking at, and without clear-cut examples or photomicrographs of basalt vs. hawaiite vs. phonolite, etc., to compare to, interpretation would still be di > > A chemical analysis that would simply give the wt. % K2O, Na2O, and SiO2 (or, K, Na, and Si) would suffice and would be the easiest and least ambiguous way to distinguish these various types of lava. Analysis of any other elements would be "interesting" but not essential. > > And, P.S. to Kreigh, I had also looked at that very nice "oceanic volcanism" website, > http://www.geokem.com/volcanic-hawaii.html > Yes, it does mention phonolite as one of the rock types on Maui, but in the rest of the more detailed writeup on that site, it never says anything about phonolite. Got to watch what one thinks one reads--in other references I'd looked at, I think there was reference in one article to phonolite, not as being present as an entire actual rock sample, but as only the composition of the small amounts of interstial glass in a lavasample--i.e., the last-to-solidify, fractionated liquid left after the > > I think one of our Hawaiian friends (hi, Kitty & Bill!) needs to clarify for us (or for me) about exactly what and where "Kaula" is--that I read on the one website, about being the only place mentioned where phonolite occurred. I see that Kaula does not appear in the list of islands on the Oceanic Volcanism site. I'm not quite totally sure if Kaula is an entire island, or just a single cinder cone--or what it is. Evidently it's one of the "less important" places in Hawaii. > > Pete > From dianne379 at optonline.net Thu Mar 3 14:14:57 2005 From: dianne379 at optonline.net (dianne379@optonline.net) Date: Thu Mar 3 14:14:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gem and Mineral Show announcement Message-ID: <323aa40323bd87.323bd87323aa40@optonline.net> The 16th Annual Clifton Gem, Mineral & Jewelry Show sponsored by the The North Jersey Mineralogical Society (an EFMLA Club) will be held on Saturday and Sunday, March 12th and 13th from 10 AM to 5 PM. The show is held at the Pope John Paul II Elementary School located at 775 Valley Road Clifton, NJ, just 220 yard north of the intersection of Route 3 & Route 46. Tickets can be purchased at the door, Adults $4.00, Seniors $3.00 and children are $2.00 (under 12 is free). Bring a copy of this e-mail and receive $1.00 off admissions. Over twenty dealers featuring, gems, minerals, jewelry, wire-wrapping, fossils, crystals, meteorites, NJ & worldwide specimens, fluorescent minerals, spheres, lapidary materials, cutting rough and books. We are conveniently located less than 20 miles from New York City so please stop by and mingle with other rockhounds. From Rocknlight at aol.com Thu Mar 3 14:23:29 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 3 14:23:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] T I M / hydrostatic - Help with HP 18" saw MOTOR choice Message-ID: <6a.5056d9cc.2f58e861@aol.com> Tim A VERY BIG THANK YOU for explaining the intricacies of putting the old guy back together. Very good of you to take the time Thanks for the 18" blade advice MK 301..I will check that blade our for sure.. I contacted Diamond Pacific and they gave a sort of NEW price for the brass nuts that clamp down of the long feed worm screw thing, they look like a pair of brass pliers sort of ? ..... And the new price for the set was $70.00.. I will ask them about simply re-machining the old brass nuts.. Bearings >> Much thanks for Mcmaster Carr, I always forget about them... This HP 18" saw is not hydrostatic feed.. I guess that means like a hydraulic feed ? I have seen an old "Great Western" saw that has a weight pulley and a hydraulic resistance type of set up.... I wonder if that is what you mean by hydrostatic ? I am now wondering whether this old Highland park 18" I have, could be set up with a hydrostatic feed I mean of course anything is possible for a PRICE $$$$$$ Would it be better to invest the money in a hydraulic weighted feed set up, rather than fixing the worm screw feed set up and then replacing the gears, the long feed bolt or screw that guides the vise and or brass nuts and possibly having to do these things now, as well as, over and over through the cutting years ahead ? Of course the reasonable $ cost of conversion to the hydraulic set up, would be a BIG BIG factor to me.. If the price would reach past $200 I would probably not consider it at his point, since I can probably repair the feed now for $45 as you indicated and probably not more than 70 to 100 for new....... Of course I have not checked the gears out yet and other etc items and other possible feed problems Thanks again Tim - Appreciatively, Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 16:13:19 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 16:13:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR References: Message-ID: <001001c5204e$f8a4b950$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Now see what happens when you make up cntcns? ROTFL we all have fun tryin' to figr em out.... mcrmnts of big stff OBTW I enjoy some of the ADs...i can DEL .... IMHOGLN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" > You did... yeay and cheers and rejoyces... cinnabar > > But you obviously do not know Dutch! > > My apologies to the list members with young children... please cover their > eyes while you read on. > > Salutette??? > I think that the Belgian list members are now in a state of continuous > giggle... a sort of terminal laughter that causes eyes to pop and veins to > burst... > Let me explain: > - Salu is slang for "goodbye" (comes from the French "salut") > - Tette is slang for breasts > I can hear Al from "Married with children" say it... "Ciao hooters" which > would be the best possible translation for "salutette" > > Am I right or what? Now is the time to speak up , Rik... > > Cheerszeweers > > Axel > > From jaybates at rcn.com Thu Mar 3 16:23:13 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Thu Mar 3 16:22:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] T I M / hydrostatic - Help with HP 18" saw MOTORchoice References: <6a.5056d9cc.2f58e861@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c52050$5b68e240$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> I have used a 18 inch Highland Park saw for years with a screw drive and no problems to speak of. I guess if you want to try and make a silk purse from a sows ear you can try, but you may create problems where none exist. I would forget about a hydraulic feed on an old saw. I installed a shut off switch on the back by attaching a standard electrical switch in a box on the back with a steel rod threaded through a hole in back and a hole in a clamp clamped to a rail to shut off the motor when the carriage nears the back and contacts the rod. By installing the switch on the back you avoid some of the oil leakage of having a switch on the front of the unit. My saw works well enough with an ordinary 1/2 horse 110 volt motor. If you can stop the saw you are probably binding the blade and shouldn't be pushing it any harder anyway. Make sure you oil the screw mechanism periodically. The HP saw because of it's long mandrel beyond the bearings is difficult to get the blade lined up properly with the carriage. But that is another story for another day after you get your little jewel up and running. As you may have guessed, I like the old trouble free saws of yesteryear that just keep going and going and are not finicky like some of these new saws. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] T I M / hydrostatic - Help with HP 18" saw MOTORchoice > Tim > > A VERY BIG THANK YOU for explaining the intricacies of putting the old guy > back together. Very good of you to take the time > > Thanks for the 18" blade advice MK 301..I will check that blade our for > sure.. > > I contacted Diamond Pacific and they gave a sort of NEW price for the brass > nuts that clamp down of the long feed worm screw thing, they look like a pair > of brass pliers sort of ? ..... And the new price for the set was $70.00.. I > will ask them about simply re-machining the old brass nuts.. Bearings >> > Much thanks for Mcmaster Carr, I always forget about them... > > This HP 18" saw is not hydrostatic feed.. I guess that means like a hydraulic > feed ? > > I have seen an old "Great Western" saw that has a weight pulley and a > hydraulic resistance type of set up.... I wonder if that is what you mean by > hydrostatic ? > > I am now wondering whether this old Highland park 18" I have, could be set up > with a hydrostatic feed I mean of course anything is possible for a PRICE > $$$$$$ > > Would it be better to invest the money in a hydraulic weighted feed set up, > rather than fixing the worm screw feed set up and then replacing the gears, the > long feed bolt or screw that guides the vise and or brass nuts and possibly > having to do these things now, as well as, over and over through the cutting > years ahead ? > > Of course the reasonable $ cost of conversion to the hydraulic set up, would > be a BIG BIG factor to me.. If the price would reach past $200 I would > probably not consider it at his point, since I can probably repair the feed now for > $45 as you indicated and probably not more than 70 to 100 for new....... Of > course I have not checked the gears out yet and other etc items and other > possible feed problems > > Thanks again Tim - Appreciatively, > > Steve > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 3 16:27:02 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 3 16:27:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] club e-newsletters & web sites References: <20050303150405.44417.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004701c52050$e32a7450$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Our group in Louisville sends a newsletter as a Word file and/or PDF to anyone with e-mail. A paper copy goes to those without. It cuts the cost of postage and paper substantially over the year. You can do a lot more with color photos, too! We have a basic web site www.kyanageo.org, but you definitely need a web savvy person with a fair amount of spare time to create a good-looking product. One can keep it "up" practically forever. The best web sites have multiple layers of information. I was introduced to Fort Wayne's Three Rivers Gem & Mineral Society (or something like that) and found it to be an excellent model for a club web site! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] survey reply- kreigh& Teresa > My local club (west of Chicago) has a website with > current bulletin info, and also a dead-tree bulletin. > Not sure how many members access the electronic > version. I do, because I generally get the paper > version quite late. It will probably be a long time > before the club will convert to all-electronic. I also > belong to the Society of Plastics Engineers, Vinyl > Division. That organization has just now gone > all-electronic for its bulletin. > Jim Daly > --- tango juli wrote: >> I wonder how many clubs are communicating >> electronically nowadays and what percentage of >> members >> are webbed/wired. > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 3 16:37:52 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 3 16:37:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! References: Message-ID: <008b01c52052$66e99b80$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Kentucky Educational Televsion did a program on the Kyana Geological Society a couple of years ago. No, it is not a movie (only 8 minutes long), but we got some new members from it. It was filmed (in part) during Sellersburg Stone Company's community open house a couple of years ago. They filmed members collecting fossils in the field and interviewed them regarding what they learned from the fossils they found. I wasn't in it because it was filmed the day my family went on a New England vacation! Everyone who was did a fabulous job! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "RockHounds: The Movie" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > Don: > > In response to your question, "RockHounds: the Movie" is an independent > documentary film. The purpose is to introduce a broad audience to the > hobby of gem & mineral collecting. We've just about got it done. We're > currently putting the finishing touches on it right now. > > Since it is an independent film, we don't currently have a distribtuion > deal. The film will start to tour the film festival circuit soon and will > hopefully get the attention of some distributors (television/home video > etc.). > > Also we plan to distribute it ourselves to any Gem & Mineral Shows that > are interested in showing it. If anyone is involved in any shows and > might be interested please feel free to contact me. > > The long range goal of the project is to have a weekly national > "RockHounds" television series on one of the outdoor themed cable > channels. > > Hope that answers your question. Thanks, > > Todd Kent > Director/Producer > "RockHounds: The Movie" > http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com > > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:21:51 -0500 > From: Don H > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RockHounds: The Movie Preview is Online! > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <4219FC8F.2040504@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hi, > > > What is the general purpose of this video? Is it expected to show on > TV? To what audience is it geared? > > Don > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Thu Mar 3 17:19:59 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:11:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction References: Message-ID: <000e01c52058$9685f720$31a3490c@pete> Hi Axel, Ah, so you met Chauncy when he was over there--not a surprise. I've known Chauncy and Sandy for a long time; we all both belong to the Littleton (CO) gem and mineral club. Small world, no? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Glenn Wimpee" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Introduction > Hello Rick, > > Is Walden a common name in the US? > We met a Chauncy Walden who gave a speech about mineral collecting in the > Rockies in (I think it was) 2002. A good one too, for that matter. Since > we're a Belgian mineral club he was one of our International Speakers (mind > the capitals ;-)))) > > Cheers > > Axel > From folmstead at rcn.com Thu Mar 3 17:31:26 2005 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:31:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair andreturnofitemsinternationally? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4227BA6E.8040700@rcn.com> Hello Horst - HOW ARE YOU?! and all Yes... do tell us all! GeorgiaO :-) __..--..__..--..__ Axel Emmermann wrote: >>I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some >>fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. >> >> > >Horst, by all means.... please enlighten us ;-))) > >Axelings > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jaybates at rcn.com Thu Mar 3 17:38:28 2005 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:37:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] T I M / hydrostatic - Help with HP 18" saw MOTORchoice References: <6a.5056d9cc.2f58e861@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c5205a$de6c1d60$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Steve, rather than paying $70 for brass pliers, I welded a nut that fitted the screw onto a cheap pair of locking pliers then cut the nut in half. If you can find a brass or bronze locking pliers, you could drill and tap the pliers to fit on the screw. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] T I M / hydrostatic - Help with HP 18" saw MOTORchoice > Tim > > A VERY BIG THANK YOU for explaining the intricacies of putting the old guy > back together. Very good of you to take the time > > Thanks for the 18" blade advice MK 301..I will check that blade our for > sure.. > > I contacted Diamond Pacific and they gave a sort of NEW price for the brass > nuts that clamp down of the long feed worm screw thing, they look like a pair > of brass pliers sort of ? ..... And the new price for the set was $70.00.. I > will ask them about simply re-machining the old brass nuts.. Bearings >> > Much thanks for Mcmaster Carr, I always forget about them... > > This HP 18" saw is not hydrostatic feed.. I guess that means like a hydraulic > feed ? > > I have seen an old "Great Western" saw that has a weight pulley and a > hydraulic resistance type of set up.... I wonder if that is what you mean by > hydrostatic ? > > I am now wondering whether this old Highland park 18" I have, could be set up > with a hydrostatic feed I mean of course anything is possible for a PRICE > $$$$$$ > > Would it be better to invest the money in a hydraulic weighted feed set up, > rather than fixing the worm screw feed set up and then replacing the gears, the > long feed bolt or screw that guides the vise and or brass nuts and possibly > having to do these things now, as well as, over and over through the cutting > years ahead ? > > Of course the reasonable $ cost of conversion to the hydraulic set up, would > be a BIG BIG factor to me.. If the price would reach past $200 I would > probably not consider it at his point, since I can probably repair the feed now for > $45 as you indicated and probably not more than 70 to 100 for new....... Of > course I have not checked the gears out yet and other etc items and other > possible feed problems > > Thanks again Tim - Appreciatively, > > Steve > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 17:56:41 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 17:58:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR References: Message-ID: <003a01c5205d$6bc8db60$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> ROTFL!!! NO, I don't know Belgian!!! Sorry bout that, but at least you got to enjoy a hearty laugh!!! Cinnabar might be a good word to describe me right now.... Blushette OK, what is Cheersewerz? Sounds like a cheeze spread. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR > You did... yeay and cheers and rejoyces... cinnabar > > But you obviously do not know Dutch! > > My apologies to the list members with young children... please cover their > eyes while you read on. > > Salutette??? > I think that the Belgian list members are now in a state of continuous > giggle... a sort of terminal laughter that causes eyes to pop and veins to > burst... > Let me explain: > - Salu is slang for "goodbye" (comes from the French "salut") > - Tette is slang for breasts > I can hear Al from "Married with children" say it... "Ciao hooters" which > would be the best possible translation for "salutette" > > Am I right or what? Now is the time to speak up , Rik... > > Cheerszeweers > > Axel > > > > > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 18:07:17 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 18:08:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites References: Message-ID: <004101c5205e$e4703260$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. How do you see the "stereo" minerals? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > > Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our > website. > Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > > Chaxeerzel > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 18:54:56 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Thu Mar 3 18:54:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) Message-ID: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> All- Following up on e-conversation from earlier this week on building a web-based survey, I decided to take a break and get a first draft of this survey out earlier than I thought. I took a lot of the suggestions you all made and incorporated them. Consequently, this first draft is a little long. Couple items I'd welcome your comments on: Someone had a really good suggestion about getting at the families that produce rockhounds instead of just the rockhounds. (must've been a social scientist). Anyway, I have one question on there to try to get at this, but am not pleased it will yeild the kind of results that would be informative. Please help me think about this, keeping in mind the next paragraph. We have too many open-ended questions as it is now. Open-end questions will take a long time to summarize and analyze. We need to do open ended to get at how we got into collecting, and the other questions that excited the most interest among you. However, multiple choice or single answer questions (for example, a number or one word) can be analyzed and correlated usefully and I can supply nice little charts showing distribution of responses for those types of variables. So here is a draft. Without the open ended questions, I estimate 10 minutes for the survey. This is reasonable for a hobby interst type survey. About the survey: --any question can be skipped --the user can come back and finish at any time Rock/Mineral/Gem/Fossil Collectors Survey (draft 1) (THIS SURVEY IS A DRAFT, NOT INTENDED TO COLLECT ANSWERS AT THIS TIME) 1. What’s your geo-passion? (check those that most represent your strongest and most active interests ) lapidary fossils minerals rocks micromounts glo-rocks (kidding) OTHERS I MISSED? 2. At what age did you first become interested in the hobby? ___ 3. At what age did you become more serious about collecting? __ 4. If you began collecting as a youth, was there something about your family that facilitated the development of your hobby? (please limit response to 25 words or less.) 5. What was it that sparked your interest in your collecting? (please limit response to 25 words) 6. What keeps you involved in the hobby? (please limit response to 25 words) 7. What are your top two favorite types or species of rocks/minerals/fossils to collect (ie quartz, wulfenite, agate, ammonites)? _________________________ ______________________ Intensity of collecting 8. How many collecting trips do make per year (to self- collect or to acquire from other collectors/vendors)? i. 1-3 ii. 4-6 iii. 7-9 iv. 10-12 v. 13-15 vi. 16 or more 9. How many specimens do you purchase per year? i. none ii. 1-5 iii. 6-10 iv. 11-15 v. 16-20 vi. 21-25 vii. 26 or more 10. what’s your annual specimen purchase budget? i. $50 or less ii. $51-100 iii. $101-150 iv. $151-200 v. $201-500 vi. $501-1,000 vii. more than $1,000 11. How many shows do you go to annually? i. 2 or less ii. 3-5 iii. 6-10 iv. 11-15 v. 16 or more 12. How far will you travel for a rock or gem show? i. under 10 miles ii. 11-50 miles iii. 50-100 miles iv. 101-300 miles v. any distance vi. other___________ 13. How far will you travel for a seminar or symposium? i. under 10 miles ii. 11-50 miles iii. 50-100 miles iv. 101-300 miles v. any distance vi. other___________ 14. How far will you travel to go collecting? i. under 10 miles ii. 11-50 miles iii. 50-100 miles iv. 101-300 miles v. any distance vi. other___________ 15. What is the furthest you have ever traveled with the primary reason to collect? i. under 10 miles ii. 11-50 miles iii. 50-100 miles iv. 101-300 miles v. any distance vi. other___________ 16. Have you ever bought minerals/rocks/fossils on line? yes/no 17. Approximately how many books do you own relating to this hobby? ___ 18. Which of the following most closely describes how you house your collection: i. Mostly in display cases ii. in boxes in garage/shed/barn iii. all over the house iv. on every available surface v. neatly sorted and stored in cases and boxes vi. all the above Collection 19. If you had to box up your collection (shudder!), how many beer flats and Xerox boxes would be required to house your collection: __beer flats (cardboard cases commonly used for transporting rocks) __photocopy paper boxes or 20. How many specimens would you say you have in your collection?___ 21. How many labeled specimens do you own? __ 22. What is your favorite specimen? _________________________________ 23. Do you catalogue your collection yes/no 23b. If yes, do you have the catalogue electronically (in excel, access or other software)? yes/no 24. What part of your collection is bought, self-collected, or traded for? ____% bought __%self-collected ___%traded Other hobbies? 25. Do you have other hobbies/interests? (add 3 spaces) i.____________________ ii.__________________iii ____________- 26. How many dedicated mineral or fossil museums have you been to? (or how many museums have you made a special trip for the purpose of seeing their rock/mineral or fossil exhibits?)  1  2-3  4-5  more than 5 27. Have you ever trespassed while collecting? yes/no 28. Do you own any of the following and use them for collecting? (check those that apply) • rock hammer/brick hammer/geo pick • chisels • jack hammer • air hammer • rock saw • gps • camera with macro function • digital camera • explosives/ chemical rock expanders OTHER ITEMS TO ADD HERE? Demographics 29. What state/country do you live in? ______________________(drop down menu) 30. What is the nearest city to you? _________________ 31. What is your occupation/profession? _______________ 33. Marital status: Single/Married/Divorced/Widowed 34. Do you have children? if yes, how many _______ 34b. If yes, do you involve your children in the hobby? 35. What is your annual income level i. $15,000 or less ii. 15,001-25,000 iii. $25,001-50,000 iv. $50,001-75,000 v. 75,001 and above 36. What was your highest level of education --high school/GED --some college --AA/AS --BA/BS --Master's --JD --MD/DDS --PhD 37. Did your hobby influence your career in any way? Yes/no 38. Are you one of the following? i. mineral/rock/fossil dealer ii. geologist iii. earth scientist Club Participation 39. How many clubs have you belonged to within the past two years?__ 40. What clubs do you currently belong to ________________________________________________________ 41. Have you ever served as a club officer? yes/no 41b.If yes, for how many years total? _____ 42. Best collecting sites ________________________________________ 43. Name your favorite collecting site: ____________________________ 44. Name your favorite fee paying site 45. Related to the hobby, what would you most like to learn about (i.e. cabbing, faceting, chemistry, geology, etc)? ___________________________________________ __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 3 19:06:29 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 3 19:08:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c52067$29be8800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of limestone with a nice impression in it. I put pictures of it online at http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=68497572 That's a first! Jeanette From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 3 19:23:48 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 3 19:23:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite Message-ID: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> While photographing specimens in my collection for mindat, I found something truly bizarre. Spherical calcite! Looks like hyalite opal, but its not! Here are three images I posted this evening: http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29586 http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29588 http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29590 I collected this on my first trip to the Cave in Rock area in 1983 at the Hastie's. Back in those days, I wasn't picky and took home a lot of material I wouldn't give a second glance at today. Just shows you that there is a lot of interesting micros from the IL-KY fluorspar district -- a place long ignored because there was some much great "macros!" The dissolved calcite with embedded dried oil droplets (that is more common on that particular specimen) is posted at: http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29592 Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Mar 3 20:05:47 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Mar 3 20:05:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software Message-ID: <20050304040548.43281.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List: Jeanette, Margaret, folks, there are a lot of people who say that the only reason MS software has so many security problems (viruses, adware, spyware, trojans, and spam infections) is because it is so popular that all the hackers want to attack it. This is just not so. For a counter-example, the Apache web server has 55-60% of the web server market and is far and away the most popular web server, MS's IIS has about 35% and others have the rest split up. The only one of these web servers often hacked is MS's IIS. Apache is almost never hacked, even if running on a Windows machine. I've been in the software development business for 20 years, I started with a BSCS degree in 1984. No system I've worked on has suffered from vulnerability from outsider hackers. I've worked on tax systems, billing systems, utility and gas systems, environmental data systems, you name it, and they were all secure. We work all the time to keep them more secure all the time. The problem with MS software in general is that the OS and all the MS applications are all completely integrated, with no "sandbox" or bounds checking. If they were all tightly protected this could be a good thing, but many/most of them are not. This means that an email can contain (god only know why) executable code if it is handled on a MS only machine, using Windows, Outlook, Internet Explorer, etc. The same email handled on a no-MS (or even mostly non-MS) machine is probably going to be unable to launch its attack components. This is because no email ought to be executable, it should be writing to be read! I don't want to have cute dancing rabbits in my email, I just want it to be interesting information about my friends and relatives, my occupational interests, or my hobbies. I just ran AdAware for the first time yesterday on my Windows XP machine at home, and you know what? It didn't find anything, because I exclusively use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer, and I don't download every cute piece of software I see offeres for download. I don't get viruses on my MS machines because I have up-to-date virus checkers and firewalls. But I don't get viruses on my non-MS machines because they can't run on secure operating systems properly installed, configured and managed. I strongly recommend that you download Firefox from the Mozzila Foundation web site, and use it for all emailing (I obviously like Yahoo email, but I understand that GMail from Google is pretty good) and web browsing. Install a firewall, there are good free ones. (Tiny Firewall or ZoneAlarm, both are good, look for them with Google!) Then use the firewall to stop all programs from connecting to the internet except for Firefox. You can open the wall for other programs for special circumstances, but make them Your special circumstances, not some script-kiddy with a trojan horse program waiting for an open back door. You're already half way to secure with a tightly closed firewall. Get a good virus program, I use McAfee right now, Norton used to be good but has fallen way back recently. Hope this isn't too off-topic, but this is a computerized email listserv, after all! Keep on rockin' and emailing! ;) JR __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 4 01:20:57 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 4 01:21:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR In-Reply-To: <001001c5204e$f8a4b950$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: WAM, I'm trying to figr this one out... Cntcns??? Aren't those the cramps that a women gets when she's about to give birth??? Make up cntcns??? I heard of ladies fkng an rgsm but fkng cntcns??? You'd never get away whit that... >mcrmnts of big stff micromounts of big stuff? Little heaps of boulders? You lost me... Technically, the micromounts and the boulders put us on tpc but then again "macaroni moments"? Chrs Xl -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 1:13 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR Now see what happens when you make up cntcns? ROTFL we all have fun tryin' to figr em out.... mcrmnts of big stff OBTW I enjoy some of the ADs...i can DEL .... IMHOGLN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" > You did... yeay and cheers and rejoyces... cinnabar > > But you obviously do not know Dutch! > > My apologies to the list members with young children... please cover their > eyes while you read on. > > Salutette??? > I think that the Belgian list members are now in a state of continuous > giggle... a sort of terminal laughter that causes eyes to pop and veins to > burst... > Let me explain: > - Salu is slang for "goodbye" (comes from the French "salut") > - Tette is slang for breasts > I can hear Al from "Married with children" say it... "Ciao hooters" which > would be the best possible translation for "salutette" > > Am I right or what? Now is the time to speak up , Rik... > > Cheerszeweers > > Axel > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 4 01:27:58 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 4 01:27:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Introduction In-Reply-To: <000e01c52058$9685f720$31a3490c@pete> Message-ID: Hi Pete, >Ah, so you met Chauncy when he was over there--not a surprise. I've known >Chauncy and Sandy for a long time; we all both belong to the Littleton (CO) >gem and mineral club. Small world, no? And getting smaller every day ;-))) Say hello to him from me, will you? Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Glenn Wimpee" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:52 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Introduction > Hello Rick, > > Is Walden a common name in the US? > We met a Chauncy Walden who gave a speech about mineral collecting in the > Rockies in (I think it was) 2002. A good one too, for that matter. Since > we're a Belgian mineral club he was one of our International Speakers (mind > the capitals ;-)))) > > Cheers > > Axel > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From MCGINNISG at aol.com Fri Mar 4 01:31:16 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 4 01:31:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corundum Question??? Message-ID: I find articles referring to "TP Rubies" or TP Sapphires". These usually are in articles referring to rubies and sapphires from the Mogok region of Myanmar (Burma). What does the "TP" stand for??? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 4 01:41:58 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 4 01:42:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR In-Reply-To: <003a01c5205d$6bc8db60$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: >ROTFL!!! >NO, I don't know Belgian!!! >Sorry bout that, but at least you got to enjoy >a hearty laugh!!! Oh, don't apologize... my bellyache is almost over and my eyes are back in their sockets. Nothing that a little CPR won't cure. It was fun and I'm sure that I (unwillingly in most cases) write things like that all the time >Cinnabar might be a good word to describe me right now.... LOL >Blushette That has no meaning in Dutch... so you're safe for the moment. >OK, what is Cheersewerz? Sounds like a cheeze spread. Like saying "bye bye" when you mean "goodbeye"... Dutchified American, so to speak... Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] red crystals from China CINNABAR > You did... yeay and cheers and rejoyces... cinnabar > > But you obviously do not know Dutch! > > My apologies to the list members with young children... please cover their > eyes while you read on. > > Salutette??? > I think that the Belgian list members are now in a state of continuous > giggle... a sort of terminal laughter that causes eyes to pop and veins to > burst... > Let me explain: > - Salu is slang for "goodbye" (comes from the French "salut") > - Tette is slang for breasts > I can hear Al from "Married with children" say it... "Ciao hooters" which > would be the best possible translation for "salutette" > > Am I right or what? Now is the time to speak up , Rik... > > Cheerszeweers > > Axel > > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 4 02:15:10 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 4 02:15:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites In-Reply-To: <004101c5205e$e4703260$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Two possible techniques: 1) the stare Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make the two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in its full glory. It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) 2) the cardboard Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 inches). Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the image. Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo photo again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I see a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. As I said earlier: a question of practice. Enjoy Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. How do you see the "stereo" minerals? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > > Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our > website. > Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > > Chaxeerzel > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pchil at botsnet.bw Fri Mar 4 03:41:45 2005 From: pchil at botsnet.bw (P.C. Hulley) Date: Fri Mar 4 03:42:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs Namibian crossing! References: <200503011757.j21HvXYd024560@outmx017.isp.belgacom.be> <000801c52017$ba2216a0$564127c4@privatehome> Message-ID: <007301c520b0$e19071c0$4848a7a8@hulley> > I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some > fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. Hi Horst Please do! Hildagarde ----- Original Message ----- From: Horst Windisch To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair andreturnofitemsinternationally? > From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Mar 4 05:26:41 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Mar 4 05:26:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? In-Reply-To: <00ae01c52067$29be8800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> References: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <00ae01c52067$29be8800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <42286211.5080104@ptd.net> I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone would more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral area looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages might be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock seems to be wrong. >Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? >While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of >limestone with a nice impression in it. >I put pictures of it online at >http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=68497572 > >That's a first! >Jeanette > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Mar 4 05:32:18 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Mar 4 05:32:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite In-Reply-To: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <42286362.7010005@ptd.net> I suspect the thing to note is the fact of associated hydrocarbons, or organics. The name eludes me at the moment but there is a mineral that has same chemical composition as quartz but has included organics or hydrocarbons and is also found as spherical forms. I suspect you might also want to bear in mind the speleothems that are commonly called cave pearls or cave eggs, and I wonder if there isnt a case to be made for the amount of dissolved organic elements or oils that may have something to do with the formation of these forms..... Alan Goldstein wrote: >While photographing specimens in my collection for mindat, I found something truly bizarre. Spherical calcite! Looks like hyalite opal, but its not! Here are three images I posted this evening: > >http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29586 >http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29588 >http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29590 > >I collected this on my first trip to the Cave in Rock area in 1983 at the Hastie's. Back in those days, I wasn't picky and took home a lot of material I wouldn't give a second glance at today. Just shows you that there is a lot of interesting micros from the IL-KY fluorspar district -- a place long ignored because there was some much great "macros!" > >The dissolved calcite with embedded dried oil droplets (that is more common on that particular specimen) is posted at: > >http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=29592 > >Alan > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Fri Mar 4 05:41:43 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Fri Mar 4 05:41:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite In-Reply-To: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: I have similar material to that shown in Alan's pictures. In the case of my specimen, it is clear that the calcite grew in a bubble in the bitumen. I.e. a calcite pseudomorph after a bubble! It appears to me that the same explanation may apply to Alan's material. Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From corundogs at charter.net Fri Mar 4 06:01:52 2005 From: corundogs at charter.net (CorunDogs) Date: Fri Mar 4 06:01:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corundum Question??? References: Message-ID: <000e01c520c2$b8e46fd0$e6b27144@dit03r92qai5fx> WOW - one that I can - hopefully - answer and test my brain, too :-) I am going to guess at an answer and then have it confirmed or denied by my Mentor, the expert if you will :-) MY EDUCATED GUESS ONLY is that this is referring to Trapiche Ruby or Sapphire, which shows the star shape that is so often identified with the 'star ruby or sapphire' but it is always there, meaning you don't have to have a single point of light to be able to see them. Meaning you can always see the white lines of the star. OK, here is a good link to see what Trapiche rubes look like and a much better description than the one I tried to explain above :-) http://www.gia.edu/gemsandgemology/18578/15243/1862/back_issue_article_detail.cfm However, I am not sure this is exactly what the "TP" you are seeing is referring to, so I will ask Will and get back to you, ok? Brenda Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan Assisting Boston Terriers Kearney, Nebraska Dedicated to helping abused, neglected and abandoned Boston Terriers To the World, you are just a person.....to a Rescue Dog, you are the World!!! www.nationwidebostonrescue.org www.corunduminium.com - Ask me about The Corundum Project ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:31 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Corundum Question??? I find articles referring to "TP Rubies" or TP Sapphires". These usually are in articles referring to rubies and sapphires from the Mogok region of Myanmar (Burma). What does the "TP" stand for??? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 06:16:50 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Mar 4 06:16:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rick-AL-Geodes Message-ID: <20050304141651.82079.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Rick in Alabama, welcome to the list and to a very cool hobby. I was a driven "exec" for a number of years, and on a vacation in 2000, got rebitten by a bug I had as a kid--rock or mineral collecting. It was transformative, and if you get into it, it is extremely rewarding no matter the level of intensity or focus. I have found that it is the greatest stress reliever--so much so, that even the eternal skeptic in me is considering the new fangled ideas about the metaphysical properties of minerals! As far as geodes, I am in central-southern Indiana, about 5 hours north of Alabaster (where relatives live). We appear to be a geode capital here. While I wasn't into them before I got here I have been converted! We have endless creeks full of them, and exposed hillsides as well as a few noted roadcuts where a patient and lucky collector may find such rarities as barites with dolomites and calcites on top of quartz . If you are ever up in the area, look me up and I'll show you a few localities. There are all kinds of resources online about geology and the different aspects of collecting--some like minerals, or fossils, or micromounted minerals, or combinations. Some clubs have really great websites and lots of resources about local geology and collecting. The folks on this list are also really great resources. Hope you are able to connect with a local club in your area and find the same fun the rest of us seem to! tina tangojuli@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Fri Mar 4 07:21:13 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Mar 4 07:32:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite References: Message-ID: <003701c520cf$51abcd60$643e27c4@privatehome> Hi everybody, The nepheline syenite was found at the Mamelodi Quarries (on the farm Franspoort). The first time we visited there, we managed to collect quite a few micros of aegerine, plus some very SMALL pyrite. There is also a vein of fluorite in the quarry, but no xls.A few months ago, we again visited the quarry but found basically NOTHING. As far as phonotlite is concerned, the most well-known locality for our collectors is the Aris Quarry, just south of Windhoek (capital of Namibia). Here I am repeating a short article written for "MICRO NEWS AND VIEWS" (October 1992), written by Dr. Ludi von Bezing of Kimberley. (I have also visited this quarry for short collecting periods in the past few years) "The Aris phonotlite is situated just south of Aris, some 20 km south of Windhoek. The crushed stone was used on roads around Windhoek and on the railway line as far south as Keetmanshoop. At present these quarries are dormant. The marked radiooactivity of minerals from these quarries was noted in 1984 and subsequently the minerals were described by Prof. Oleg von Knorring. At the bottom of the quarry every boulder is riddled with small (0,2 ->8 cm) miarolytic cavities in which the minerals are found. It is a weird experience the way the phonotlite gives a metallic ring when struck with the hammer. Also peculiar is the primordial water that runs out of fresh cavities. The phonotlite poses a special set of problems to the collector. It is very brittle when hit with the hammer but at the same time many crystals are lost through jumping off the cavity surfaces. It is very resistant to cracking in the stone press and sawing and luck are the two methods of salvaging specimens. The minerals are similar to those from other alkaline complexes and have, except for the rare mineral tuperssuatsiaite, been incompletely described. Tuperssuatsiaite occurs as small tufts and bundles of reddish- to golden-brown hairs and is common at this locality. Crystals can reach 1 cm in size. Aegerine is most common as small dark blackish-green needles projecting into cavities. It apparently also occurs as a fibrous variety. Apophyllite (?fluorapophyllite) is common and is ple yellow and forms prismatic crystals that can reach several centimetres, but due to its cleavage few large crystals survive. Other minerals noted were albite as small clear crystals, natrolite, eudialite as orange pseudo-octahedral small crystals and a large number of as-yet-to-be-identifieds. Von Knorring et al also found microcline, makatite, villiaumite, titanite, analcime, aragonite and bastnaesite." There have been later articles written on the minerals found at this quarry. I specifically recall an issue of "Lapis" but cannot lay my hands on it at present. Many more minerals have in the meantime been identified from this locality. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > Hi Pete & Kreigh, > > I just recently got a specimen from Horst Windich: a nepheline syenite > from > the Franspoort Quarry (too tired to go downstairs and read the specimen > but > I think it was in the Pretoria District SA.) > That specimen looks a lot like the phonolite from Schellkopf, Brenk, Eifel > , > Germany. It has also richly dispersed grains of an orange fluorescing > mineral which could be nosean, sodalite, hauyn or any mineral of that > family. The matrix fluoresces deep sherry red (weak) under SW (probably > the > "main mass" feldspar with a little Fe3+ to get the electrons bouncing???) > > The nepheline syenite looks very similar to phonolite but is it really? > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: maandag 28 februari 2005 4:43 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > > > Hi Pete, > > It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} > > And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some > seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to > produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano > chemistry from research before and after my trip there. > > This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > Capt. Cook arrived. > > The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds > of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few > odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. > > Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some > clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated > the help. > > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because > other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have > already been tested and published. > > I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed > light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: >> >> No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do >> the >> kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an >> igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly >> documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and >> after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, > I'll >> find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" >> to >> have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like >> lava could do it. >> >> (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the >> eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, > phonolites, >> like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals > in >> them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and > that >> explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite > of >> minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, > and >> more). >> >> And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of >> Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that >> the >> first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) > are >> basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle > becomes >> depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in >> silica >> and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) > and >> then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor >> minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or >> not, >> I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the >> description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be >> found on numerous websites). >> >> Pete >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow >> >> > Hi Pete, >> > >> > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was >> > coming? >> > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of >> > paying for one. >> > >> > Kreigh >> > >> > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. >> > >> > >> > >> > Peter J. Modreski wrote: >> > > >> > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") >> > > >> > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock >> > > name, >> > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really > tell >> if >> > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The > minerals >> in >> > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) >> > > >> > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, >> > > a >> > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a > little >> > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it > doesn't >> have >> > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". >> > > >> > > Pete >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" >> > > >> > > > Axel, >> > > > I had to look that one up. >> > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It >> sure >> > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify > without >> a >> > > lab analysis. >> > > > Thanks! >> > > > Kreigh >> > > > >> > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: >> > > > > Sounds like phonolite? >> > > > > Axel > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From albalmer at att.net Fri Mar 4 07:44:59 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Mar 4 07:45:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] First Timer Here! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050303090954.026a9c78@mail.spiritone.com> References: <20050302033500.52198.qmail@web31101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050303090954.026a9c78@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <4228827B.5020506@att.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > White wood is relatively common at a few locations in WA & OR. I have a > few pieces from the Yakima-Vantage area and Bear Creek in OR... > I have some from a small lake in the mountains above Dillon, Colorado. Collected years ago while on a business trip to a molybdenum mill. > At 07:34 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> My name is Michelle and I have been a rockhound since the age of 9 >> when my parents moved us to Richland, Wa and I found my first agate!! >> I am now 37, the mother of two and grandmother of 1 beautiful baby >> girl (4 months!!). I am a massage therapist and artist and I used and >> sell stones at arts and crafts fairs and festivals around Washington >> State. I have recently dug my tumblers back out and am at that again. >> I have said for a long time the measure of a truly loving husband is >> how many times he'll move your boxes of rocks from one rental to >> another without "losing" any along the way, lol! When I started gather >> stones from the nocks and crannies I couldn't believe how much I had >> actually kept around! Once a rock fiend always a rock fiend!! I have >> found a rock shop in Spanaway where you can use their lapidary shop >> and equipment for an hourly fee if anyone is interested! It's a little >> ways out there but worth the drive, really sweet people. >> >> O.K. that's enough about me, I don't suppose anyone out there has >> heard of white petrified wood, I think I have at least two pieces. I >> have one listed for sale on IOffer.com and another one I just >> discovered in my first batch of tumbler fodder! I look forward to >> reading everyones email. >> Thanks, Michelle > From albalmer at att.net Fri Mar 4 07:58:08 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Mar 4 07:58:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software In-Reply-To: <20050304040548.43281.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050304040548.43281.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42288590.1040300@att.net> J. R. Hodel wrote: > Hi List: > > Jeanette, Margaret, folks, there are a lot of people > who say that the only reason MS software has so many > security problems (viruses, adware, spyware, trojans, > and spam infections) is because it is so popular that > all the hackers want to attack it. > > This is just not so. JR, an excellent post. I just wanted to add whatever weight another long-time computer professional' opinion is worth to your analysis and recommendations. From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Mar 4 07:59:12 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Mar 4 07:59:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phonolite - South Africa Message-ID: <030420051559.29788.422885D000023F070000745C216037631607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Dear Horst, Thanks for writing about the Aris quarry--the rock and minerals sound a great deal like my afore-mentioned Point of Rocks, New Mexico. And tuperssuatsiaite was interesting--I looked up some images of it on various websites (and I still haven't tried to pronounce that name, even to myself--when I start to say it, the tuppers and sussas get all rolled up together). We have several still unidentified minerals from POR, too, that we've never had any success in characterizing, including one that occurs in acicular white-golden tufts rather like tuperss..., but it had a different chemistry (as I recall, some kind of a Ca-REE-Th silicate, that only gave poor XRD patterns). Best wishes to you, down there in the other hemisphere, Pete -------------- Original message from "Horst Windisch" : -------------- > Hi everybody, > > The nepheline syenite was found at the Mamelodi Quarries (on the farm > Franspoort). The first time we visited there, we managed to collect quite a > few micros of aegerine, plus some very SMALL pyrite. There is also a vein of > fluorite in the quarry, but no xls.A few months ago, we again visited the > quarry but found basically NOTHING. > > As far as phonotlite is concerned, the most well-known locality for our > collectors is the Aris Quarry, just south of Windhoek (capital of Namibia). > Here I am repeating a short article written for "MICRO NEWS AND VIEWS" > (October 1992), written by Dr. Ludi von Bezing of Kimberley. (I have also > visited this quarry for short collecting periods in the past few years) > > "The Aris phonotlite is situated just south of Aris, some 20 km south of > Windhoek. The crushed stone was used on roads around Windhoek and on the > railway line as far south as Keetmanshoop. At present these quarries are > dormant. > > The marked radiooactivity of minerals from these quarries was noted in 1984 > and subsequently the minerals were described by Prof. Oleg von Knorring. > > At the bottom of the quarry every boulder is riddled with small (0,2 ->8 cm) > miarolytic cavities in which the minerals are found. It is a weird > experience the way the phonotlite gives a metallic ring when struck with the > hammer. Also peculiar is the primordial water that runs out of fresh > cavities. The phonotlite poses a special set of problems to the collector. > It is very brittle when hit with the hammer but at the same time many > crystals are lost through jumping off the cavity surfaces. It is very > resistant to cracking in the stone press and sawing and luck are the two > methods of salvaging specimens. > > The minerals are similar to those from other alkaline complexes and have, > except for the rare mineral tuperssuatsiaite, been incompletely described. > > Tuperssuatsiaite occurs as small tufts and bundles of reddish- to > golden-brown hairs and is common at this locality. Crystals can reach 1 cm > in size. > > Aegerine is most common as small dark blackish-green needles projecting into > cavities. It apparently also occurs as a fibrous variety. > > Apophyllite (?fluorapophyllite) is common and is ple yellow and forms > prismatic crystals that can reach several centimetres, but due to its > cleavage few large crystals survive. > > Other minerals noted were albite as small clear crystals, natrolite, > eudialite as orange pseudo-octahedral small crystals and a large number of > as-yet-to-be-identifieds. Von Knorring et al also found microcline, > makatite, villiaumite, titanite, analcime, aragonite and bastnaesite." > > There have been later articles written on the minerals found at this quarry. > I specifically recall an issue of "Lapis" but cannot lay my hands on it at > present. Many more minerals have in the meantime been identified from this > locality. > > Horst > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:30 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > > > > Hi Pete & Kreigh, > > > > I just recently got a specimen from Horst Windich: a nepheline syenite > > from > > the Franspoort Quarry (too tired to go downstairs and read the specimen > > but > > I think it was in the Pretoria District SA.) > > That specimen looks a lot like the phonolite from Schellkopf, Brenk, Eifel > > , > > Germany. It has also richly dispersed grains of an orange fluorescing > > mineral which could be nosean, sodalite, hauyn or any mineral of that > > family. The matrix fluoresces deep sherry red (weak) under SW (probably > > the > > "main mass" feldspar with a little Fe3+ to get the electrons bouncing???) > > > > The nepheline syenite looks very similar to phonolite but is it really? > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > > Verzonden: maandag 28 februari 2005 4:43 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > Phonolite > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > It doesn't hurt to ask. ;-} > > > > And yes, I had gotten as far as the chemistry and learned that some > > seperation time in a magma chamber is needed in the late magma stages to > > produce real phonolite. I was also familiar with Hawaiian volcano > > chemistry from research before and after my trip there. > > > > This evening I found some more good papers online on Phonolite, > > including a couple that confirmed the Ancient Hawaiians were mining > > Phonolite at the Adz Quarry on Moana Kea for a significant amount of > > time (based on evidence of removed volume) but stopped (long) before > > Capt. Cook arrived. > > > > The homework has been most interesting. I've gotten to learn all kinds > > of new geology, new chemistry, some new history, and also enjoy a few > > odd/unrelated things I stumbled across. > > > > Thanks for your suggestions and questions -- they gave me some > > clues/keywords that significantly refined my searching. I appreciated > > the help. > > > > Now I think I can confidently stick a label of Phonolite to the > > specimens from this location (and finally catalog them to my > > collection); I believe it would hold up under lab analysis because > > other, similar, specimens from this (very specific) location have > > already been tested and published. > > > > I think Axel's opunning fire with his phonolite hit the mark and shed > > light onto a dark rock; it was sound adzvise. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > >> > >> No, Kreigh, I wasn't going that far... it can be fairly involved to do > >> the > >> kind of analytical work that's needed to really confirm exactly what an > >> igneous rock is. But I'm sure that it has already been thoroughly > >> documented, just what kind of lava this adze quarry on Mauna Kea is--and > >> after I send this email, I'll bet in browsing online for a few minutes, > > I'll > >> find that info. But it doesn't necessarily have to be real "phonolite" > >> to > >> have the dense, ringing nature--and very solid, fine-grained basalt-like > >> lava could do it. > >> > >> (Incidentally, as you may or may not have looked up, phonolite is the > >> eruptive (fine-grained) equivalent of nepheline syenite--hence, > > phonolites, > >> like nepheline syenite, tend to have some unusual & interesting minerals > > in > >> them--i.e., the host rock at Mont St-Hilaire is nepheline syenite, and > > that > >> explains why Point of Rocks NM that I mentioned, has a very unusual suite > > of > >> minerals (eudialyte, cancrinite, villiaumite, mangan-neptunite, acmite, > > and > >> more). > >> > >> And you may also know about the well-documented trend of evolution of > >> Hawaiian lavas through time on each island and from each volcano--that > >> the > >> first eruptions (and continuing through most of each volcano's history) > > are > >> basalt, gradually (as the source of magmas in the underlying mantle > > becomes > >> depleted, and moves to greater and greater depths) become poorer in > >> silica > >> and richer in alkalis, and so evolves to alkali basalt (Na- and K-rich) > > and > >> then to unusual lavas containing nepheline and other silica-poor > >> minerals--and I'll have to check, these may include true phonolite or > >> not, > >> I'm not sure Kitty and Bill probably know--or, the NPS does, and the > >> description of these Hawaiian lava sequences of evolution is surely to be > >> found on numerous websites). > >> > >> Pete > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Lava link > Mauna Kea snow > >> > >> > Hi Pete, > >> > > >> > Was that a suggestion you wanted to do the lab work I hinted was > >> > coming? > >> > I'de be glad to trade a couple specimens for a lab analysis instead of > >> > paying for one. > >> > > >> > Kreigh > >> > > >> > P.S., I thought it was a 'Lite Pun' too. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Peter J. Modreski wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Was that a little pun? ("sounds like phonolite") > >> > > > >> > > Now Kreigh, you know, of course, that phonolite is a "real" rock > >> > > name, > >> > > defined on the basis of its chemical composition. You can't really > > tell > >> if > >> > > something is bona fide phonolite, just from appearances. (The > > minerals > >> in > >> > > it may give a clue, if you can see & identify the minerals.) > >> > > > >> > > Not all phonolite is "ringy". Point of Rocks Mesa, northeastern NM, > >> > > a > >> > > locality known for many micro minerals, is phonolite, but it's a > > little > >> > > coarse-grained (it's an intrusive sill, not a lava flow), so it > > doesn't > >> have > >> > > the dense, hard, fine-graining texture that makes it "ring". > >> > > > >> > > Pete > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > >> > > > >> > > > Axel, > >> > > > I had to look that one up. > >> > > > I think you have put a name to this rock that is going to stick. It > >> sure > >> > > matched up to all the descriptions and attributes I could verify > > without > >> a > >> > > lab analysis. > >> > > > Thanks! > >> > > > Kreigh > >> > > > > >> > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > >> > > > > Sounds like phonolite? > >> > > > > Axel > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 4 09:15:41 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 4 09:16:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] email list security is OT References: <20050304040548.43281.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c520dd$cb2fdce0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> I think list security is on topic, if anyone on the lists learns one thing they didn't know before and it helps them. I agree with your accessment of MS products vs the more secure OS. I still think tho it's a trade-off between being absolutely secure and the freedom to download cute bunnies. That's why knowledge is the most important tool against hackers, etc. If more security is priority then Firefox is an option, and don't worry about what cute bunnies, etc. you may miss. Same with using RealPlayer and so on. I guess I like to live on the edge, I use IE and OE, sometimes play games on Shockwave, and MSN. I DON'T open things from unknown sources, I DO keep virus scanner up to minute (McAfee VirusScan Online) and run XoftSpy everynight. There are dangerous websites out there like there are dangerous neighborhoods in every city. I don't visit those neighborhoods even to drive through them, and I don't go to porn, gambling, warez, PTP sharing, all the areas where the chances of "picking up" something are greater. You really have to watch what you click on even innocent websites. AWARENESS is key. Read up about security issues and stay current. You wouldn't go rock collecting in an area without knowing what's there, what the legal restrictions are, whose property it is, and what kind of nasty critters might be there. But if there are nasty critters, and there's minerals you crave, you'll carry a big stick with you won't you? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software > Hi List: > > Jeanette, Margaret, folks, there are a lot of people > who say that the only reason MS software has so many > security problems (viruses, adware, spyware, trojans, > and spam infections) is because it is so popular that > all the hackers want to attack it. ............... > I don't get viruses on my MS machines because I have > up-to-date virus checkers and firewalls. But I don't > get viruses on my non-MS machines because they can't > run on secure operating systems properly installed, > configured and managed. > > I strongly recommend that you download Firefox from > the Mozzila Foundation web site, and use it for all > emailing (I obviously like Yahoo email, but I > understand that GMail from Google is pretty good) and > web browsing. > > Install a firewall, there are good free ones. (Tiny > Firewall or ZoneAlarm, both are good, look for them > with Google!) Then use the firewall to stop all > programs from connecting to the internet except for > Firefox. You can open the wall for other programs for > special circumstances, but make them Your special > circumstances, not some script-kiddy with a trojan > horse program waiting for an open back door. > > You're already half way to secure with a tightly > closed firewall. Get a good virus program, I use > McAfee right now, Norton used to be good but has > fallen way back recently. > > Hope this isn't too off-topic, but this is a > computerized email listserv, after all! > > Keep on rockin' and emailing! ;) > > JR > From kahako at verizon.net Fri Mar 4 09:37:29 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Mar 4 09:37:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small vs large world References: Message-ID: <000e01c520e0$d7556c30$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Here on the Big Island it's getting larger every day. See: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/archive/2005/Mar/20050302-3932_CCH_large.jpg Aloha, Kitty ----- Original Message ----- Small world, no? > > And getting smaller every day ;-))) > > Axel > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 4 09:36:52 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 4 09:37:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites References: Message-ID: <003c01c520e0$c1358340$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Good instructions, I'll try it, but I was one who could never see the images in those "hidden pictures". I have a daughter that could pick them out in 2 seconds. I think she was fooling about an elephant in there... I think it's got something to do with my eye and brain connection. Long story.... Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:15 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > Two possible techniques: > > 1) the stare > Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. > without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. > At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If > you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each > photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make the > two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in its > full glory. > > It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) > > 2) the cardboard > Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 > inches). > Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, > pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your > face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. > Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: > a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds > b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk > c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye > Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure > You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the > image. > > Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture > independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures > again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo photo > again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I see > a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. > As I said earlier: a question of practice. > > Enjoy > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > > > Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. > How do you see the "stereo" minerals? > Jeanette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > > > > Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > > > > Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our > > website. > > Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > > > > Chaxeerzel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From liz.fodi at utoronto.ca Fri Mar 4 10:02:02 2005 From: liz.fodi at utoronto.ca (liz fodi) Date: Fri Mar 4 10:03:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral & Fossil Show, Peterborough, Ontario Message-ID: <4228A29A.21AE7A09@utoronto.ca> 'Afternoon Everyone First Ontario show of the year is the The Kawartha Rock & Fossil Club 12th annual Gem, Mineral & Fossil Show Evinrude Centre 911 Monaghan Road Peterborough, Ontario, Canada Saturday, March 5, 2005 10:00 am to 5:00 pm Sunday, March 6, 2005 10:00 am to 5:00 pm Listed at: http://www.canadianrockhound.ca/ Local collectors and dealers dominate the show. Good place to find out what's been found during the past year. Lots of Canadian specimens including classics from old collections. Liz Fodi --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 10:15:54 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Mar 4 10:15:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Firefox convert-thanks JR Message-ID: <20050304181554.60338.qmail@web60801.mail.yahoo.com> Since JR made the recommendation a week or so ago, I downloaded and have been trying the Mozilla Firefox browser. I typically have 5-10 browsers open when I'm researching something, so I use them all day at work and at home. I have a dial-up and can only get 46K speed (zzzzzzz). The mozilla does appear to load faster, altho some pages are slightly off kilter--nothing annoying or unaesthetic. Hotmail won't open and seems to show my inbox as empty--and after a week this is the only downside (some microsoft competitive thing?) The "view field" in firefox is clean and leaves more room for the webpage (without sacrificing anything). I also downloaded that other adware software that was recommended, but it didn't turn up anything, so I assume the univeresity supplied ADAWARE and spybot is working fine. I also run RealPlayer all day on both work and home computers, and was unaware of the issues that Jeannette and others raised related to these types of software linked to system slow downs and popups. So thanks for an informative discussion. Oh--on topic...I found huge hollow geodes in my yard yesterday. :) tina --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From MCGINNISG at aol.com Fri Mar 4 11:03:44 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:03:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corundum Question??? Message-ID: <1da.377b1649.2f5a0b10@aol.com> Here is one example showing the term TP rubies and TP sapphires. But there is no explanation as to what the "TP" stands for??? Locality: Varieties: Ah Nauttaw Good star rubies Balongyi Top star rubies Dattaw Good TP rubies Ho Mine Top TP rubies Inn Gaung Good star rubies Kyauk Sin Good fancy spinels Kyauk Pyatthat Good blue sapphires Lebin Sin Top TP rubies Lin Yaung Chi Good TP rubies Mainglong Tourmaline On Bin Top Red spinels; good fancy spinels Pyaung Gaung Top peridot Sakangyi Quartz, topaz Shwe Pyi Aye Good TP rubies Sinkwa Good star blue sapphires Thurein Taung Top TP blue sapphires Yadanar Kaday Kadar Top star blue sapphires; Good TP blue sapphires --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapidry at aol.com Fri Mar 4 11:25:51 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:25:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corundum Question??? Message-ID: <9b.5a98d973.2f5a103f@aol.com> Might I suggest that TP stands for Top Parcel? The book you got the reference from was talking about parcel quality at about the same place they started using TP. Richard Hughes, Rubies and Sapphires, Chapter 12, World Sources. In a message dated 3/4/2005 2:04:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, MCGINNISG@aol.com writes: Here is one example showing the term TP rubies and TP sapphires. But there is no explanation as to what the "TP" stands for??? Locality: Varieties: Ah Nauttaw Good star rubies Balongyi Top star rubies Dattaw Good TP rubies Ho Mine Top TP rubies Inn Gaung Good star rubies Kyauk Sin Good fancy spinels Kyauk Pyatthat Good blue sapphires Lebin Sin Top TP rubies Lin Yaung Chi Good TP rubies Mainglong Tourmaline On Bin Top Red spinels; good fancy spinels Pyaung Gaung Top peridot Sakangyi Quartz, topaz Shwe Pyi Aye Good TP rubies Sinkwa Good star blue sapphires Thurein Taung Top TP blue sapphires Yadanar Kaday Kadar Top star blue sapphires; Good TP blue sapphires --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Fri Mar 4 11:39:34 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:39:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small vs large world References: <000e01c520e0$d7556c30$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <4228B976.8020601@cox.net> Kitty, Wow, in that image, I see the head of an Elephant with a very inflamed trunk. No wonder he roars. Thanks for the wonderful images. Terrie From cjkuo at verizon.net Fri Mar 4 11:49:50 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:50:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Websites References: Message-ID: <00b801c520f3$54518ea0$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Also, Look into our monitor as if you were looking into a mirror at an object very far behind you. AND MOVE THE CURSOR OUT OF VIEW! :-) Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:15 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > Two possible techniques: > > 1) the stare > Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. > without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. > At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If > you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each > photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make the > two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in its > full glory. > > It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) > > 2) the cardboard > Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 > inches). > Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, > pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your > face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. > Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: > a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds > b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk > c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye > Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure > You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the > image. > > Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture > independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures > again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo photo > again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I see > a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. > As I said earlier: a question of practice. > > Enjoy > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > > > Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. > How do you see the "stereo" minerals? > Jeanette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > > > > Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > > > > Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our > > website. > > Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > > > > Chaxeerzel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:57:55 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:58:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software In-Reply-To: <42288590.1040300@att.net> References: <20050304040548.43281.qmail@web41001.mail.yahoo.com> <42288590.1040300@att.net> Message-ID: Well I've took my first Fortran IV course back in the 70's and can recall when the Amdahl 360 hit 1 MB of RAM. And I'm still writing code today. I disagree completely with your analysis. You must know that it is mathematically impossible to write large bug free software. Modern Operating Systems contain millions of lines of code. Furthermore the main bug problems with MS comes from hardware problems. Apple has tight control on hardware allowed to run on their closed system, Microsoft has to deal with hundreds of different types and brands of video cards, system boards, ram, network cards, sound cards, printers, keyboards, mice and who knows what else. When taken in combination this amounts to millions if not billions of different possible system setups. All these components interact in different ways, they have drivers that are written by hundreds of different vendors and all of these drivers come in different versions. Some drivers are well written but plenty of others are leaky and ill behaved. The fact that MS controls 96% of the OS market and large chunks of many other software markets of course drives the virus and spyware writers. These people are in the business of making money, they are not pimple faced 13 year olds cranking out scripts. The purpose of most new viruses is to install backdoors into computers to steal information (credit card numbers ect.) and to create zombies to distribute spam. Spam for which they get paid. Indeed now that Firefox is approaching a 10% market share we are seeing spyware and viruses being written to attack mozilla vulnerabilities. Indeed Firefox has just released a security patch. Firefoxes popularity is going to cause it to be just a big a target as MSIE. As for Linux, all you have to do is visit the sites which track Linux vulnerabilities and you'll see hundreds of problems reported each month. None of the virus writers bothers with exploiting these since why bother writing attacks on an OS which controls 0.5% of the market? Or 2% of the market if you look at Apple. This is not to say that MS can't do a better job, they can. But I know of no other company which is making the effort. MS is making tremendous efforts to fix problems and to educate the developer community by means of free software, training and information. If you are a developer or an IT worker you ought to know that. Most of the complaints against MS are just irrational. Bryan On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:58:08 -0700, Al Balmer wrote: > J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi List: > > > > Jeanette, Margaret, folks, there are a lot of people > > who say that the only reason MS software has so many > > security problems (viruses, adware, spyware, trojans, > > and spam infections) is because it is so popular that > > all the hackers want to attack it. > > > > This is just not so. > > JR, an excellent post. I just wanted to add whatever weight another > long-time computer professional' opinion is worth to your analysis and > recommendations. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Mar 4 11:59:37 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Mar 4 11:59:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><00ae01c52067$29be8800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <42286211.5080104@ptd.net> Message-ID: <002d01c520f4$b200e7c0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Looks like chert (not limestone) to me. Could be a specialized feeding pattern of a burrowing organism. I've collected plants in limestone, but they are carbonized. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? >I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone would >more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral area >looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages might >be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock seems >to be wrong. > >>Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? >>While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of >>limestone with a nice impression in it. >>I put pictures of it online at >>http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&password=68497572 >> >>That's a first! >>Jeanette >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Mar 4 12:05:25 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Mar 4 12:05:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite References: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <003401c520f5$81798bb0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> That's what I figured, since I have seen spherical bubbles of petroleum in calcite. It one area, it is almost like a froth. The one tiny patch of fluorite spheres didn't come out well, so I'll try to re-shoot it. I thought the calcite spheres might be hollow, but further inspection indicates they are more or less solid. Can you have a pseudomorph after a bubble? Or wouldn't more likely to be after a gas like methane or simply "natural gas?" Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite >I have similar material to that shown in Alan's pictures. In the case of >my specimen, it is clear that the calcite grew in a bubble in the bitumen. >I.e. a calcite pseudomorph after a bubble! It appears to me that the same >explanation may apply to Alan's material. > > Pete Richards > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From willows30 at alltel.net Fri Mar 4 12:37:09 2005 From: willows30 at alltel.net (James A. Rollins) Date: Fri Mar 4 12:36:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Homemade microscope illuminator Message-ID: <000c01c520f9$effe8eb0$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> A while back someone had a webpage that showed how to make a homemade fiber optic microscope illuminator. Does anyone recall what the url was? James A. Rollins --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Mar 4 14:59:00 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 4 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4228E41D.2DC@Tomaszewski.net> Comments inline... tango juli wrote: > > All- > Following up on e-conversation from earlier this week > on building a web-based survey, I decided to take a > break and get a first draft of this survey out earlier > than I thought. I took a lot of the suggestions you > all made and incorporated them. Consequently, this > first draft is a little long. Actually, it seemed a little short for a draft. It took me a little under 10 minutes to go thru the survey; most of the ones I have to go thru professionally average 12 minutes. > > Couple items I'd welcome your comments on: > > Someone had a really good suggestion about getting at > the families that produce rockhounds instead of just > the rockhounds. (must've been a social scientist). Sorry. That was me (with help from several others). I'm a 'geek' professionally (email 'postmaster' for a global corporation), a Rockhound by avocation, and a Foster Parent by faith. I've had a fondness for 'statistics' since I discovered them many years ago; my education background is in chemistry, computers, math, and physics. Can I be an amateur social scientist? BTW, I like to know what things are, and how they work, and I'm good at making things by hand. > Anyway, I have one question on there to try to get at > this, but am not pleased it will yeild the kind of > results that would be informative. Please help me > think about this, keeping in mind the next paragraph. My first reaction is an open-ended question -- How did your family support and contribute to your interest in Rockhounding? -- and hope a(several) common thread(s) show{s} up in the responses. My second reaction is standard demographics on the Rockhound's birth family (several questions), and hope something turns up. > > We have too many open-ended questions as it is now. > Open-end questions will take a long time to summarize > and analyze. We need to do open ended to get at how we > got into collecting, and the other questions that > excited the most interest among you. > > However, multiple choice or single answer questions > (for example, a number or one word) can be analyzed > and correlated usefully and I can supply nice little > charts showing distribution of responses for those > types of variables. > > So here is a draft. Without the open ended questions, > I estimate 10 minutes for the survey. This is > reasonable for a hobby interst type survey. > > About the survey: > --any question can be skipped > --the user can come back and finish at any time > > Rock/Mineral/Gem/Fossil Collectors Survey (draft 1) > (THIS SURVEY IS A DRAFT, NOT INTENDED TO COLLECT > ANSWERS AT THIS TIME) > 1. What?s your geo-passion? (check those that most > represent your strongest and most active interests ) > lapidary > fossils > minerals > rocks > micromounts > glo-rocks (kidding) There are MANY serious collectors of fluorescent minerals. > OTHERS I MISSED? gems ores crystals radioactives sand calcite > > 2. At what age did you first become interested in the > hobby? ___ > 3. At what age did you become more serious about > collecting? __ > 4. If you began collecting as a youth, was there > something about your family that facilitated the > development of your hobby? (please limit response to > 25 words or less.) > 5. What was it that sparked your interest in your > collecting? (please limit response to 25 words) > 6. What keeps you involved in the hobby? (please limit > response to 25 words) > 7. What are your top two favorite types or species of > rocks/minerals/fossils to collect (ie quartz, > wulfenite, agate, ammonites)? > _________________________ ______________________ > > Intensity of collecting > 8. How many collecting trips do make per year (to > self- collect or to acquire from other > collectors/vendors)? > i. 1-3 > ii. 4-6 > iii. 7-9 > iv. 10-12 > v. 13-15 > vi. 16 or more I think your scale is too low. How often do you acquire new specimens from collecting/trading/dealers? How many new specimens do you acquire from collecting/trading/dealers each week/month/year? > > 9. How many specimens do you purchase per year? > i. none > ii. 1-5 > iii. 6-10 > iv. 11-15 > v. 16-20 > vi. 21-25 > vii. 26 or more I think your scale is too low. > > 10. what?s your annual specimen purchase budget? > i. $50 or less > ii. $51-100 > iii. $101-150 > iv. $151-200 > v. $201-500 > vi. $501-1,000 > vii. more than $1,000 I think your scale is too low. > > 11. How many shows do you go to annually? > i. 2 or less > ii. 3-5 > iii. 6-10 > iv. 11-15 > v. 16 or more > > 12. How far will you travel for a rock or gem show? > i. under 10 miles > ii. 11-50 miles > iii. 50-100 miles > iv. 101-300 miles > v. any distance > vi. other___________ I think your scale is too low. > > 13. How far will you travel for a seminar or > symposium? > i. under 10 miles > ii. 11-50 miles > iii. 50-100 miles > iv. 101-300 miles > v. any distance > vi. other___________ Or rock club meeting? I think your scale is too low. > > 14. How far will you travel to go collecting? > i. under 10 miles > ii. 11-50 miles > iii. 50-100 miles > iv. 101-300 miles > v. any distance > vi. other___________ I think your scale is too low. > > 15. What is the furthest you have ever traveled with > the primary reason to collect? > i. under 10 miles > ii. 11-50 miles > iii. 50-100 miles > iv. 101-300 miles > v. any distance > vi. other___________ I think your scale is way too low. > > 16. Have you ever bought minerals/rocks/fossils on > line? yes/no > > 17. Approximately how many books do you own relating > to this hobby? ___ > > 18. Which of the following most closely describes how > you house your collection: > i. Mostly in display cases Mostly in the basement. > ii. in boxes in garage/shed/barn > iii. all over the house > iv. on every available surface > v. neatly sorted and stored in cases and boxes > vi. all the above > > Collection > 19. If you had to box up your collection (shudder!), > how many beer flats and Xerox boxes would be required > to house your collection: Estimate the total weight of your collection in pounds. > __beer flats (cardboard cases commonly used for > transporting rocks) > __photocopy paper boxes > or > 20. How many specimens would you say you have in your > collection?___ > > 21. How many labeled specimens do you own? __ How many are catalogued. How many are displayed. How many are labeled? > 22. What is your favorite specimen? > _________________________________ List three specimens and specify why they represent your collection in less than 75 words. > 23. Do you catalogue your collection yes/no > 23b. If yes, do you have the catalogue electronically > (in excel, access or other software)? yes/no > 24. What part of your collection is bought, > self-collected, or traded for? > ____% bought __%self-collected ___%traded > > Other hobbies? > 25. Do you have other hobbies/interests? (add 3 > spaces) > i.____________________ ii.__________________iii > ____________- > > 26. How many dedicated mineral or fossil museums have > you been to? (or how many museums have you made a > special trip for the purpose of seeing their > rock/mineral or fossil exhibits?) >  1 >  2-3 >  4-5 >  more than 5 I think your scale is too low. > > 27. Have you ever trespassed while collecting? yes/no Have you ever knowingly trespassed while collecting? Have you ever found out later you trespassed unknowingly? > > 28. Do you own any of the following and use them for > collecting? > (check those that apply) > ? rock hammer/brick hammer/geo pick > ? chisels > ? jack hammer > ? air hammer > ? rock saw > ? gps > ? camera with macro function > ? digital camera > ? explosives/ chemical rock expanders > OTHER ITEMS TO ADD HERE? > > Demographics > 29. What state/country do you live in? > ______________________(drop down menu) > 30. What is the nearest city to you? _________________ > 31. What is your occupation/profession? > _______________ > 33. Marital status: Single/Married/Divorced/Widowed > 34. Do you have children? if yes, how many _______ > 34b. If yes, do you involve your children in the > hobby? > 35. What is your annual income level > i. $15,000 or less > ii. 15,001-25,000 > iii. $25,001-50,000 > iv. $50,001-75,000 > v. 75,001 and above > > 36. What was your highest level of education > --high school/GED > --some college > --AA/AS > --BA/BS > --Master's > --JD > --MD/DDS > --PhD > > 37. Did your hobby influence your career in any way? > Yes/no If yes, how (50 words or less) > 38. Are you one of the following? > i. mineral/rock/fossil dealer > ii. geologist > iii. earth scientist (Earth Sciences) teacher > > Club Participation > 39. How many clubs have you belonged to within the > past two years?__ five? ten years? twenty five years? fifty years? > 40. What clubs do you currently belong to > ________________________________________________________ > 41. Have you ever served as a club officer? yes/no > 41b.If yes, for how many years total? _____ > 42. Best collecting sites > ________________________________________ > 43. Name your favorite collecting site: > ____________________________ > > 44. Name your favorite fee paying site > 45. Related to the hobby, what would you most like to > learn about (i.e. cabbing, faceting, chemistry, > geology, etc)? > ___________________________________________ > From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Mar 4 16:09:05 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:09:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c52117$8f4e87a0$0200a8c0@gametime> Bryan: I sent a similar email to Aaron since he already declared this to be off topic. Jeanette needs to cool it on deciding what is on and off topic. I also advise just letting Aaron put the brakes to this topic. Much like you I have been involved with computer systems since the early 80s. I also remember when TSO and CMS were prime hack targets, then Wang, Digital and Apple. I also remember when Apple themselves delivered an OS upgrade that was virus infected... I told Aaron that I was sick and tired of people making poor personal decisions and then bemoaning their wretched existences as if it was anythings fault but their own. We certainly do not need to hear the cries and whines. They can buy anything they like. If it doesn't meet their standards, then THEY can make changes, not the rest of the world. Fortran IV huh? I presume that was on punch cards too? I also remember being part of a team that hacked our own 370 mainframe using CICS when the Sys operator hid Advent from us. We had to hack it twice. He got wise the first time and deleted the advents we copied to our libraries. We renamed Advent the second time to represent our CICS compiles. In league with you. Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:58 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software Well I've took my first Fortran IV course back in the 70's and can recall when the Amdahl 360 hit 1 MB of RAM. And I'm still writing code today. I disagree completely with your analysis. You must know that it is mathematically impossible to write large bug free software. Modern Operating Systems contain millions of lines of code. Furthermore the main bug problems with MS comes from hardware problems. Apple has tight control on hardware allowed to run on their closed system, Microsoft has to deal with hundreds of different types and brands of video cards, system boards, ram, network cards, sound cards, printers, keyboards, mice and who knows what else. When taken in combination this amounts to millions if not billions of different possible system setups. All these components interact in different ways, they have drivers that are written by hundreds of different vendors and all of these drivers come in different versions. Some drivers are well written but plenty of others are leaky and ill behaved. The fact that MS controls 96% of the OS market and large chunks of many other software markets of course drives the virus and spyware writers. These people are in the business of making money, they are not pimple faced 13 year olds cranking out scripts. The purpose of most new viruses is to install backdoors into computers to steal information (credit card numbers ect.) and to create zombies to distribute spam. Spam for which they get paid. Indeed now that Firefox is approaching a 10% market share we are seeing spyware and viruses being written to attack mozilla vulnerabilities. Indeed Firefox has just released a security patch. Firefoxes popularity is going to cause it to be just a big a target as MSIE. As for Linux, all you have to do is visit the sites which track Linux vulnerabilities and you'll see hundreds of problems reported each month. None of the virus writers bothers with exploiting these since why bother writing attacks on an OS which controls 0.5% of the market? Or 2% of the market if you look at Apple. This is not to say that MS can't do a better job, they can. But I know of no other company which is making the effort. MS is making tremendous efforts to fix problems and to educate the developer community by means of free software, training and information. If you are a developer or an IT worker you ought to know that. Most of the complaints against MS are just irrational. Bryan On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:58:08 -0700, Al Balmer wrote: > J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi List: > > > > Jeanette, Margaret, folks, there are a lot of people > > who say that the only reason MS software has so many > > security problems (viruses, adware, spyware, trojans, > > and spam infections) is because it is so popular that > > all the hackers want to attack it. > > > > This is just not so. > > JR, an excellent post. I just wanted to add whatever weight another > long-time computer professional' opinion is worth to your analysis and > recommendations. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From nmartin at bbn.com Fri Mar 4 16:21:01 2005 From: nmartin at bbn.com (Nathan C. Martin II) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:21:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Homemade microscope illuminator In-Reply-To: <000c01c520f9$effe8eb0$02fea8c0@Pteraphyte> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050304191819.01fb2f60@po2.bbn.com> Jim, I didn't remember but a Google search using - homemade "fiber optic illuminator" turned up the following text of a R&M article: Making your own photomicrography light - Through the 'Scope Rocks & Minerals, July-August, 2002 by David Babulski at http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_4_77/ai_88249454 Nate Martin Lexington, MA At 03:37 PM 3/4/2005, you wrote: >A while back someone had a webpage that showed how to make a homemade >fiber optic microscope illuminator. Does anyone recall what the url was? >James A. Rollins --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Fri Mar 4 16:23:22 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:23:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite In-Reply-To: <003401c520f5$81798bb0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <013101c52069$94e64120$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <003401c520f5$81798bb0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: The hole the calcite formed in was a bubble (I'd guess water-filled rather than vapor-filled, but it does not really matter) in the bitumen. The terminology gets a bit hazy, to say the least. One could consider the bitumen to contain a mold of the bubble, in which case the calcite "pearl" is a cast of the bubble mold. My invocation of pseudomorphy was, to be sure, a bit whimsical.... though one class of pseudomorphs is analogous - when a crystal is engulfed by a surrounding species, then dissolves away, and the cavity is subsequently filled with another mineral. At any rate, it makes for an interesting and most unusual calcite specimen! Pete Richards At 3:05 PM -0500 3/4/05, Alan Goldstein wrote: >That's what I figured, since I have seen spherical bubbles of petroleum in calcite. It one area, it is almost like a froth. The one tiny patch of fluorite spheres didn't come out well, so I'll try to re-shoot it. I thought the calcite spheres might be hollow, but further inspection indicates they are more or less solid. > >Can you have a pseudomorph after a bubble? Or wouldn't more likely to be after a gas like methane or simply "natural gas?" > >Alan > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:41 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] spherical calcite > >>I have similar material to that shown in Alan's pictures. In the case of my specimen, it is clear that the calcite grew in a bubble in the bitumen. I.e. a calcite pseudomorph after a bubble! It appears to me that the same explanation may apply to Alan's material. >> >>Pete Richards >>-- >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>R. Peter Richards >>rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >> >>Mineral collector >>Crystallographer >>SHAPE for the Macintosh >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 4 16:35:46 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 4 16:36:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><00ae01c52067$29be8800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><42286211.5080104@ptd.net> <002d01c520f4$b200e7c0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <003701c5211b$45fd7800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Chert is around the area, but I think this piece is solid limestone. Chert won't fizz in acid will it? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > Looks like chert (not limestone) to me. Could be a specialized feeding > pattern of a burrowing organism. I've collected plants in limestone, but > they are carbonized. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > >I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone would > >more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral area > >looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages might > >be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock seems > >to be wrong. > > > >>Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? > >>While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of > >>limestone with a nice impression in it. > >>I put pictures of it online at > >>http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&passwo rd=68497572 > >> > >>That's a first! > >>Jeanette > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Mar 4 17:01:13 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Fri Mar 4 17:03:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software In-Reply-To: <001101c52117$8f4e87a0$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: <000001c5211e$dc8227a0$0200a8c0@gametime> All: I have transgressed. My mistake in pasting an email address, but it is still my fault. I stand by what I said, but not the method. I will accept banishment if necessary but will greatly miss this list (but not the off topic) whines. In error, Ted Kowalski -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Ted Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:09 PM To: 'J Bryan Kramer'; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software Bryan: I sent a similar email to Aaron since he already declared this to be off topic. Jeanette needs to cool it on deciding what is on and off topic. I also advise just letting Aaron put the brakes to this topic. Much like you I have been involved with computer systems since the early 80s. I also remember when TSO and CMS were prime hack targets, then Wang, Digital and Apple. I also remember when Apple themselves delivered an OS upgrade that was virus infected... I told Aaron that I was sick and tired of people making poor personal decisions and then bemoaning their wretched existences as if it was anythings fault but their own. We certainly do not need to hear the cries and whines. They can buy anything they like. If it doesn't meet their standards, then THEY can make changes, not the rest of the world. Fortran IV huh? I presume that was on punch cards too? I also remember being part of a team that hacked our own 370 mainframe using CICS when the Sys operator hid Advent from us. We had to hack it twice. He got wise the first time and deleted the advents we copied to our libraries. We renamed Advent the second time to represent our CICS compiles. In league with you. Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:58 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software Well I've took my first Fortran IV course back in the 70's and can recall when the Amdahl 360 hit 1 MB of RAM. And I'm still writing code today. I disagree completely with your analysis. You must know that it is mathematically impossible to write large bug free software. Modern Operating Systems contain millions of lines of code. Furthermore the main bug problems with MS comes from hardware problems. Apple has tight control on hardware allowed to run on their closed system, Microsoft has to deal with hundreds of different types and brands of video cards, system boards, ram, network cards, sound cards, printers, keyboards, mice and who knows what else. When taken in combination this amounts to millions if not billions of different possible system setups. All these components interact in different ways, they have drivers that are written by hundreds of different vendors and all of these drivers come in different versions. Some drivers are well written but plenty of others are leaky and ill behaved. The fact that MS controls 96% of the OS market and large chunks of many other software markets of course drives the virus and spyware writers. These people are in the business of making money, they are not pimple faced 13 year olds cranking out scripts. The purpose of most new viruses is to install backdoors into computers to steal information (credit card numbers ect.) and to create zombies to distribute spam. Spam for which they get paid. Indeed now that Firefox is approaching a 10% market share we are seeing spyware and viruses being written to attack mozilla vulnerabilities. Indeed Firefox has just released a security patch. Firefoxes popularity is going to cause it to be just a big a target as MSIE. As for Linux, all you have to do is visit the sites which track Linux vulnerabilities and you'll see hundreds of problems reported each month. None of the virus writers bothers with exploiting these since why bother writing attacks on an OS which controls 0.5% of the market? Or 2% of the market if you look at Apple. This is not to say that MS can't do a better job, they can. But I know of no other company which is making the effort. MS is making tremendous efforts to fix problems and to educate the developer community by means of free software, training and information. If you are a developer or an IT worker you ought to know that. Most of the complaints against MS are just irrational. Bryan On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:58:08 -0700, Al Balmer wrote: > J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi List: > > > > Jeanette, Margaret, folks, there are a lot of people > > who say that the only reason MS software has so many > > security problems (viruses, adware, spyware, trojans, > > and spam infections) is because it is so popular that > > all the hackers want to attack it. > > > > This is just not so. > > JR, an excellent post. I just wanted to add whatever weight another > long-time computer professional' opinion is worth to your analysis and > recommendations. > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Mar 4 17:03:45 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Fri Mar 4 17:04:09 2005 Subject: Recall: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software Message-ID: The sender would like to recall the message, "[Rockhounds] Microsoft software". --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 4 17:21:58 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 4 17:22:48 2005 Subject: Recall: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software References: Message-ID: <007801c52121$ba5076c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Card laid is a card played, Ted Jeanette Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: Recall: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software The sender would like to recall the message, "[Rockhounds] Microsoft software". --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 4 17:33:05 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 4 17:33:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images References: Message-ID: <008901c52123$47b148e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Ouch, now I have a headache.....not from cardboard. Jeanette > Two possible techniques: > > 1) the stare > Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. > without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. > At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If > you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each > photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make the > two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in its > full glory. > > It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) > > 2) the cardboard > Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 > inches). > Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, > pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your > face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. > Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: > a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds > b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk > c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye > Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure > You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the > image. > > Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture > independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures > again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo photo > again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I see > a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. > As I said earlier: a question of practice. > > Enjoy > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > > > Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. > How do you see the "stereo" minerals? > Jeanette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > > > > Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > > > > Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of our > > website. > > Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > > > > Chaxeerzel > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Fri Mar 4 17:45:43 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Fri Mar 4 17:41:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Homemade microscope illuminator In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050304191819.01fb2f60@po2.bbn.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050304191819.01fb2f60@po2.bbn.com> Message-ID: <42290F47.4020004@att.net> Nathan C. Martin II wrote: > >> A while back someone had a webpage that showed how to make a homemade >> fiber optic microscope illuminator. Does anyone recall what the url was? >> James A. Rollins > You might want to join, and post the question to, the Yahoo Microscope group. It is much like this one, very informative, fairly on-topic, and full of people who can answer that question. You can always unsubscribe a week or two later if you don't like all the other traffic. Good luck, Don From agesilaus at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 18:06:51 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Mar 4 18:06:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microsoft software In-Reply-To: <000001c5211e$dc8227a0$0200a8c0@gametime> References: <001101c52117$8f4e87a0$0200a8c0@gametime> <000001c5211e$dc8227a0$0200a8c0@gametime> Message-ID: I want to likewise apogize to the group if my post came after Aaron asked us to drop that subject. I must have missed Aaron's post. Bryan From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Mar 4 20:20:00 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Mar 4 20:20:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: <000501c5201f$7097d1c0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><00ae01c52067$29be8800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com><42286211.5080104@ptd.net><002d01c520f4$b200e7c0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> <003701c5211b$45fd7800$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002d01c5213a$990f8c80$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Pure chert won't, but impure chert might have a little limestone mixed with it. In any event, without the specimen in hand I can't be sure. In any event, I still think is a trace fossil and not a plant. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > Chert is around the area, but I think this piece is solid limestone. Chert > won't fizz in acid will it? > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Goldstein" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > >> Looks like chert (not limestone) to me. Could be a specialized feeding >> pattern of a burrowing organism. I've collected plants in limestone, but >> they are carbonized. >> >> Alan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? >> >> >> >I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone >> >would >> >more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral > area >> >looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages might >> >be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock > seems >> >to be wrong. >> > >> >>Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? >> >>While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of >> >>limestone with a nice impression in it. >> >>I put pictures of it online at >> >>>http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&passwo > rd=68497572 >> >> >> >>That's a first! >> >>Jeanette >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> >>Subscription Services: >> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 4 21:24:09 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Fri Mar 4 21:24:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? Message-ID: <030520050524.26734.422942790008436C0000686E2197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> What is a "trace" fossil?? Don't remember that phrase....old age, I guess. Jeanette > Pure chert won't, but impure chert might have a little limestone mixed with > it. In any event, without the specimen in hand I can't be sure. > In any event, I still think is a trace fossil and not a plant. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanette Wimpee" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > > Chert is around the area, but I think this piece is solid limestone. Chert > > won't fizz in acid will it? > > Jeanette > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Goldstein" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > > > >> Looks like chert (not limestone) to me. Could be a specialized feeding > >> pattern of a burrowing organism. I've collected plants in limestone, but > >> they are carbonized. > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > >> > >> > >> >I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone > >> >would > >> >more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral > > area > >> >looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages might > >> >be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock > > seems > >> >to be wrong. > >> > > >> >>Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? > >> >>While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of > >> >>limestone with a nice impression in it. > >> >>I put pictures of it online at > >> > >>>http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&passwo > > rd=68497572 > >> >> > >> >>That's a first! > >> >>Jeanette > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> >>Subscription Services: > >> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> > Subscription Services: > >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dhawk at EcologyFund.net Fri Mar 4 21:52:25 2005 From: dhawk at EcologyFund.net (the other angus) Date: Fri Mar 4 21:52:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] hi all trying to find this stone Message-ID: <20050305055226.61519394D@sitemail.everyone.net> does anyone have any rock form not crystal of cerussite? I got a sample of it given to me in tuscan and could not afford to pick anymore rocks up from there. Trust me tuscan will do that to you. So what I am wondering is if anyone had any idea if there is any of the rock form out there for me to get my hands on and start carving. heeh Darren   ------------------------------------------ Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Fri Mar 4 22:11:40 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Mar 4 22:09:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? In-Reply-To: <030520050524.26734.422942790008436C0000686E2197926761CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeanette, >From what I remember, a trace fossil is basically a fossil that leaves a trace of a plant or animal, but there isn't any plant or animal material (such as silicified bone or carbon) left in the fossil. For example, the impression of a leaf would be a trace fossil since there is no leaf or carbon material. But if you see the carbonized remains of the leaf, it is not a trace fossil. Also, dinosaur footprints are a trace fossil because the bones of the dinosaur aren't there; just the impression of the dino's feet. If I got that wrong or someone else can explain it better, please be my guest! :-) Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of geenet2@mchsi.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:24 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? What is a "trace" fossil?? Don't remember that phrase....old age, I guess. Jeanette > Pure chert won't, but impure chert might have a little limestone mixed with > it. In any event, without the specimen in hand I can't be sure. > In any event, I still think is a trace fossil and not a plant. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanette Wimpee" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > > Chert is around the area, but I think this piece is solid limestone. Chert > > won't fizz in acid will it? > > Jeanette > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Goldstein" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > > > >> Looks like chert (not limestone) to me. Could be a specialized feeding > >> pattern of a burrowing organism. I've collected plants in limestone, but > >> they are carbonized. > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:26 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > >> > >> > >> >I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone > >> >would > >> >more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral > > area > >> >looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages might > >> >be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock > > seems > >> >to be wrong. > >> > > >> >>Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? > >> >>While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of > >> >>limestone with a nice impression in it. > >> >>I put pictures of it online at > >> > >>>http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&passw o > > rd=68497572 > >> >> > >> >>That's a first! > >> >>Jeanette > >> >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ > >> >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> >>Subscription Services: > >> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> > Subscription Services: > >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Sat Mar 5 00:31:26 2005 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sat Mar 5 00:31:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images In-Reply-To: <008901c52123$47b148e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> References: <008901c52123$47b148e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <42296E5E.1030100@xs4all.nl> Hi Jeanette (and the rest) I somehow missed the original question, but if it was how to look at 3d photo's I have a neat way WITHOUT a headache. The crossed eye method does not work for me. All I get is the famous headache but I never see true 3d. My method is a bit more elaborate, but in the end more fun. All you need is red/green 3d glasses. The cardboard ones are cheaply available on ebay and work fine. Also you need a photo editing software that is capable of handling layers. Photoshop is perfect, but there are many more. the result will be: http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=21047* *(this picture I made myself , by combining two separate shots on a slightly different angle. Such a red/green image is called a anaglyph. Depending on the glasses you have, the above image is even in color and you'll see the yellow calcites. This is how I made it. It is tricky to get the angles of the two images correct, but if you have a digital camera it is defenitely fun to play with. http://dogfeathers.com/3d/3dhowto.html Now if you have those crossed eye images, you can simply use the left and right part, cut them loose, make one green and one red and tranlate the layers, as iin the link above. You will see the image appearing in 3d. Really cool. Cheers, Maurice Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >Ouch, now I have a headache.....not from cardboard. > >Jeanette > > > > >>Two possible techniques: >> >>1) the stare >>Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. >>without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. >>At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If >>you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each >>photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make >> >> >the > > >>two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in >> >> >its > > >>full glory. >> >>It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) >> >>2) the cardboard >>Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 >>inches). >>Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, >>pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your >>face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. >>Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: >>a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds >>b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk >>c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye >>Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure >>You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the >>image. >> >>Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture >>independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures >>again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo >> >> >photo > > >>again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I >> >> >see > > >>a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. >>As I said earlier: a question of practice. >> >>Enjoy >> >>Axel >> >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee >>Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 >>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites >> >> >>Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. >>How do you see the "stereo" minerals? >>Jeanette >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Axel Emmermann" >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM >>Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites >> >> >> >> >>>Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. >>> >>>Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of >>> >>> >our > > >>>website. >>>Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html >>> >>>Chaxeerzel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Fri Mar 4 11:52:57 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sat Mar 5 01:05:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small vs large world References: <000e01c520e0$d7556c30$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> <4228B976.8020601@cox.net> Message-ID: <000201c52162$74c55c10$3b4227c4@privatehome> Elephants trumpet, lions roar. Come to Africa to exoperience first hand. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.A.Masters" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] small vs large world > Kitty, > Wow, in that image, I see the head of an Elephant with a very inflamed > trunk. No wonder he roars. > Thanks for the wonderful images. > Terrie > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 5 02:56:59 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sat Mar 5 02:57:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> I agree entirely with Kriegh's comments re the scales used in some of the draft questions: I'd've thought the differences between the various answers would be too fine-grained to mean anything and they're too concentrated at the low end of the scale anyway. However, his suggestion that we "Estimate the total weight of your collection in pounds" must surely be a joke?! (We're not talking about anglers here!) Most folks are going to find it hard enough to estimate the numbers of specimens, let alone what they weigh... >Consequently, this first draft is a little long. Seems about right to me. >1. What's your geo-passion? (check those that most >represent your strongest and most active interests ) >lapidary >fossils >minerals >rocks >micromounts >glo-rocks (kidding) "micromounts" are out of place in this list. They are just minerals (do fossilists do them too?). I think thiey should be in another question to do with the format or style of specimens we collect: Do you deliberately collect a significant number of specimens for -micromounts -display -location specimens (everything from one place) -species representation (one of everything) -single crystals >3. At what age did you become more serious about >collecting? __ "More serious" than what? Don't you just mean "serious"? >7. What are your top two favorite types or species of >rocks/minerals/fossils to collect (ie quartz, >wulfenite, agate, ammonites)? Is two enough? I have a lot more than two that vie for position. > 8. How many collecting trips do make per year (to >self- collect or to acquire from other >collectors/vendors)? >i. 1-3 >ii. 4-6 >iii. 7-9 >iv. 10-12 >v. 13-15 >vi. 16 or more This scale is a bit too detailed. >9. How many specimens do you purchase per year? >i. none >ii. 1-5 >iii. 6-10 >iv. 11-15 >v. 16-20 >vi. 21-25 >vii. 26 or more This scale is a bit too detailed. >10. what's your annual specimen purchase budget? >i. $50 or less >ii. $51-100 >iii. $101-150 >iv. $151-200 >v. $201-500 >vi. $501-1,000 >vii. more than $1,000 This scale is a bit too detailed. >11. How many shows do you go to annually? >i. 2 or less >ii. 3-5 >iii. 6-10 >iv. 11-15 >v. 16 or more This scale is a bit too detailed. >12. How far will you travel for a rock or gem show? >i. under 10 miles >ii. 11-50 miles >iii. 50-100 miles >iv. 101-300 miles >v. any distance >vi. other___________ There's (a) a big gap between 300 miles and "any distance" and if you're having "any distance" then do you really need "other"? Why not just ask how far people will travel and then analyse the results later? (Applies to all the other travelling questions too.) >18. Which of the following most closely describes how >you house your collection: >i. Mostly in display cases >ii. in boxes in garage/shed/barn >iii. all over the house >iv. on every available surface >v. neatly sorted and stored in cases and boxes >vi. all the above There aren't enough options here. How about asking if you have a dedicated "rock room" or study? I keep my collection in cabinets - I don't see that option in the list. There is an option for "neatly sorted and stored in cases and boxes" but not for neatly sorted in any other way, nor for being in boxes and cases in an utter mess. Why not just ask where your collection falls between the options of "a complete unsorted uncatalogued shambles" and "better than the average museum" (which, frankly, probably wouldn't be that hard...) The proportion of collection displayed and stored would be interesting. It wold be interesting to know if a system is used for storage: by species, by location, by scientific system (Hey, Dana, Strunz), by catalogue number. >Collection >19. If you had to box up your collection (shudder!), "shudder"? If it's that hard you've got too much. Last time I moved house the removal guys said they would have a collective nervous breakdown if ever they saw another cardboard box ever again... >how many beer flats and Xerox boxes would be required >to house your collection: >__beer flats (cardboard cases commonly used for transporting rocks) Only in the US? >__photocopy paper boxes >or >20. How many specimens would you say you have in your >collection?___ The number of specimens shouldn't be an alternative to how much space they take up. We need to know both! >21. How many labeled specimens do you own? __ What does this mean? How many I have labelled myself, or how many have labels (e.g. dealer labels). And do you mean attached labels (bits of paper stuck on) or loose labels? >22. What is your favorite specimen? And why? _________________________________ >23. Do you catalogue your collection yes/no >23b. If yes, do you have the catalogue electronically >(in excel, access or other software)? yes/no Can we distinguish between a digital catalogue, a paper register (book) and a card index? It would also be interesting to know what the software was. What about asking if you photograph (or scan?) your specimens? >26. How many dedicated mineral or fossil museums have >you been to? (or how many museums have you made a >special trip for the purpose of seeing their >rock/mineral or fossil exhibits?) > 1 > 2-3 > 4-5 > more than 5 This is a bit limiting isn't it? Might be meaningful to someone who hasn't been collecting very long, but in 40 years I've been to dozens of museums to see their collections. Mind you, very very few of them were "dedicated" mineral museums - there can't be many of those in the world. Rather they were natural history or other museums with mineral collections. >27. Have you ever trespassed while collecting? yes/no Am I going to admit it? >28. Do you own any of the following and use them for >collecting? >(check those that apply) >. rock hammer/brick hammer/geo pick >. chisels >. jack hammer >. air hammer >. rock saw >. gps >. camera with macro function >. digital camera >. explosives/ chemical rock expanders >OTHER ITEMS TO ADD HERE? Visa Card? Wallet? >33. Marital status: Single/Married/Divorced/Widowed Separated? None of your d**n business? >38. Are you one of the following? >i. mineral/rock/fossil dealer >ii. geologist >iii. earth scientist mineralogist? earth sciences curator? (OK, that's a trick question...) >Club Participation >39. How many clubs have you belonged to within the >past two years?__ Why only two years? >42. Best collecting sites >43. Name your favorite collecting site: Explain the difference? Mick From buff1 at ptd.net Sat Mar 5 04:20:49 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Sat Mar 5 04:21:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) In-Reply-To: <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: <4229A421.2030702@ptd.net> I rarely find myself weighing in on such open ended topics, but I would have a concern that if this survey is to get off the ground that the survey administrator simply offer the widest possible spectrum in possible answers. My reasoning for stating this I feel will be proven out in the survey. Although we all have a specific interest in minerals; we are quite the diverse lot, consequently the occasional flame on this list. For instance some "collections" can be measured in terms of how many properties does it take to have place for it all and the collector has many other interests, to the micromounter that has 3 shoe boxes filled with specimens and it is their complete passion. It can also span from an interest of its just something that has always been in the family, to, I used to pick up rocks and take home the pretty ones because it irritated my mother so much that I got great enjoyment from them. I fear that the survey will never get off the ground if we have too many adjustments to specifics so as to fit an individuals need to be able to answer the question. MY only suggestion would be to "widen" the answers and from there you will get a more representative ( and probably chaotic ) survey of the people who enjoy this rather inclusive hobby. Mick Cooper wrote: > I agree entirely with Kriegh's comments re the scales used in some of > the draft questions: I'd've thought the differences between the > various answers would be too fine-grained to mean anything and they're > too concentrated at the low end of the scale anyway. > > However, his suggestion that we "Estimate the total weight of your > collection in pounds" must surely be a joke?! (We're not talking about > anglers here!) Most folks are going to find it hard enough to estimate > the numbers of specimens, let alone what they weigh... > >> Consequently, this first draft is a little long. > > > Seems about right to me. > >> 1. What's your geo-passion? (check those that most >> represent your strongest and most active interests ) >> lapidary >> fossils >> minerals >> rocks >> micromounts >> glo-rocks (kidding) > > > "micromounts" are out of place in this list. They are just minerals > (do fossilists do them too?). I think thiey should be in another > question to do with the format or style of specimens we collect: > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Mar 5 04:51:01 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Mar 5 04:50:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images In-Reply-To: <42296E5E.1030100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Hi list, First of all: Jeanette, the headache is NOT from staring at the screen. When you stop trying to get those images in focus, you have to revert to normal eye-use. If you don't, you will bump into or crash against every conceivable object on your path. That is what causes the pain and the bumps on your head. Your screams and the continuous thumping sounds may cause other people in the vicinity to develop similar complaints: headaches, nervous breakdowns... It was to be expected that my photos would cause some collateral damage... (ROFL). Maurice: There are basically four methods to view stereo pairs: 1) the one I explained: the distant focus or staring method. advantage: most easy method for most people (after anaglyphs) Disadvantage: some never master it AND distance between the middle of the photos is limited to 6 cm (average eye-distance) and thus also photo size is limited. 2) The cross-eyed view advantage: somewhat easier (but I can't see them) for some and you can use bigger photos Disadvantage: large photos require more strain on the eye muscles. 3) Anaglyphs advantage: no size restrictions. Everybody can view them. Disadvantage: Color distortion. It is quite impossible to get a GOOD color view with only red and green. Approximations of color photos are acceptable in many cases but fluorescencent minerals need to be reproduced with utmost color accuracy. 4) Slides & viewers I made a series of slides that can be viewed with a viewer that I constructed by gluing two small (and cheap) slide viewers together. (something like this http://www.ultravue.info/exhb2/viewex18.html but much simpler and cheaper... less than 3$/pc) Advantage: EVERYBODY can see the 3D effect. Colors are perfect. No fuzz, just point the viewers at a light source and view. Disadvantage: Only perfect pairs are good enough. You cannot adjust or resize or reposition. Looking at a too yellow light source will distort color view. You have to have the real, physical slides to view them... no easy mass production. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Maurice de Graaf Verzonden: zaterdag 5 maart 2005 9:31 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images Hi Jeanette (and the rest) I somehow missed the original question, but if it was how to look at 3d photo's I have a neat way WITHOUT a headache. The crossed eye method does not work for me. All I get is the famous headache but I never see true 3d. My method is a bit more elaborate, but in the end more fun. All you need is red/green 3d glasses. The cardboard ones are cheaply available on ebay and work fine. Also you need a photo editing software that is capable of handling layers. Photoshop is perfect, but there are many more. the result will be: http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=21047* *(this picture I made myself , by combining two separate shots on a slightly different angle. Such a red/green image is called a anaglyph. Depending on the glasses you have, the above image is even in color and you'll see the yellow calcites. This is how I made it. It is tricky to get the angles of the two images correct, but if you have a digital camera it is defenitely fun to play with. http://dogfeathers.com/3d/3dhowto.html Now if you have those crossed eye images, you can simply use the left and right part, cut them loose, make one green and one red and tranlate the layers, as iin the link above. You will see the image appearing in 3d. Really cool. Cheers, Maurice Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >Ouch, now I have a headache.....not from cardboard. > >Jeanette > > > > >>Two possible techniques: >> >>1) the stare >>Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. >>without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. >>At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If >>you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each >>photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make >> >> >the > > >>two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in >> >> >its > > >>full glory. >> >>It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) >> >>2) the cardboard >>Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 >>inches). >>Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, >>pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your >>face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. >>Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: >>a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds >>b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk >>c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye >>Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure >>You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the >>image. >> >>Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture >>independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures >>again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo >> >> >photo > > >>again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I >> >> >see > > >>a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. >>As I said earlier: a question of practice. >> >>Enjoy >> >>Axel >> >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee >>Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 >>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites >> >> >>Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. >>How do you see the "stereo" minerals? >>Jeanette >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Axel Emmermann" >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM >>Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites >> >> >> >> >>>Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. >>> >>>Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of >>> >>> >our > > >>>website. >>>Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html >>> >>>Chaxeerzel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From teyancey at mail.tca.net Sat Mar 5 06:04:19 2005 From: teyancey at mail.tca.net (Thomas Yancey) Date: Sat Mar 5 06:03:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeanette, Bob, and others, Let me provide a simple definition of a trace fossil. It is any marking in a sediment or rock that records the activities of an organism. Note the focus on activity. As Bob points out, footprints are trace fossils, because they show the movement of an animal on the sediment. The most common types of trace fossils are burrows made by an organism for feeding activity or for shelter. These are very common in many marine deposits. Other types of trace fossils include borings in rock (for shelter) and feeding markings (like clams and snails broken open by crabs or fish, or leaves with bite marks on them) and more interesting types like gastroliths (stomach stones) and coprolites (feces). There are even exotic trace fossils such as nest sites. A colleague of mine once described a honeycomb trace fossil (preserved by encrustation of calcite in a cave deposit), which is a material produced by the activity of bees. Plants produce trace fossils also, mostly as root penetrations into the sediment on which they grow. The common point is that each of these is a record of activity during life. However, an impression of fossil that has been dissolved away or decayed away is not really a trace fossil. It is a mold of a fossil. A mold is a record of the actual remains of an organism or part of an organism, rather than its activity. Another type of trace fossil that we often see is the material we call stromatolite. Stromatolites are made up of thin layers of sediment trapped in place by mats of microbes living on the sediment (the microbes are mostly cyanobacteria [blue-green algae] and various single celled eukaryote algae, along with various other microbes). As such, they are structures produced by the presence of the mats, not the remains of the microbes, even in cases where the stromatolite has a distinctive form. Of course, in some cases the stromatolite contains the trapped and preserved remains of some of the microbes that lived in the mat, but the stromatolite itself is produced by the entire mat, not by any single microbe. There are many very distinctive and even pretty trace fossils. Because they show the range of life activities of an organism, trace fossils are very interesting. Tom Yancey >Hi Jeanette, > >>From what I remember, a trace fossil is basically a fossil that leaves a >trace of a plant or animal, but there isn't any plant or animal material >(such as silicified bone or carbon) left in the fossil. For example, the >impression of a leaf would be a trace fossil since there is no leaf or >carbon material. But if you see the carbonized remains of the leaf, it is >not a trace fossil. Also, dinosaur footprints are a trace fossil because >the bones of the dinosaur aren't there; just the impression of the dino's >feet. > >If I got that wrong or someone else can explain it better, please be my >guest! :-) > >Regards, >Bob -- Thomas Yancey From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 5 08:04:55 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sat Mar 5 08:04:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <4229A421.2030702@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000301c5219d$13deae70$78f1edc1@mpc1> > I fear that the survey will never get off the ground if we have too many > adjustments to specifics so as to fit an individuals need to be able to > answer the question. MY only suggestion would be to "widen" the answers > and from there you will get a more representative ( and probably chaotic ) > survey of the people who enjoy this rather inclusive hobby. But if you widen it too much what does it prove? What does it tell us? That we all collect rocks? We know that already. I don't think anyone has suggested a change to "fit an individuals need to be able to answer the question." They have suggested either a piece of knowledge they woud find interesting or they have used something from their own knowledge to illustrate the change they think sensible. Mick From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Sat Mar 5 09:11:53 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Sat Mar 5 09:11:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michelle, Brian and other Washingtonians Message-ID: <20050305171153.E64853384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> We really need to get a list together. I'm SW of Port Orchard and have rockhounded since 1962. On another group I ffound a lonely rockhound over by Soap Lake that is finding great agate and minerals but has nobody to share with; so I'm making the July 4 weekend 4 days and going over to check the finds. Last year I began finding pretty nice stuff above the north end of Lk Cushman. Very small azurite/malachite and massive orbicular jasper. As for white petwood; check the Texas palmwood. I also have some, unknown source; except it's western states, that was given to me. I have three tumblers which run almost full time. As for myself, I'm 55, work as a Toolmaker for Boeing Commercial in Auburn, three grown kids, married for 33 years and love the outdoors. Native Washington, born in Renton. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Sat Mar 5 09:23:24 2005 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Sat Mar 5 09:23:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock stuff on TV Message-ID: <20050305172324.A2727E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> The Travel Channel had a series "America's Best Places to Find Cash & Treasure". It included features on the Crater of Diamonds in Arkansas. the Stewart Mine in Pala, the Sheffield Mine in Macon County NC, the Spruce Pine district, & a piece on Hiddenite with Jamie Hill. Also keep an eye on the Outdoor Life Network as they run shows on Gold although it's more commercial, but fun to watch. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From silicawood at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 10:22:45 2005 From: silicawood at gmail.com (Rockhoundnut) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:22:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michelle, Brian and other Washingtonians In-Reply-To: <20050305171153.E64853384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050305171153.E64853384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <54d4a88f05030510223edb70ab@mail.gmail.com> Hi David: Let me know what list to join! I am also a washington native - born in Swedish Hospital in downtown Seattle in 1968. I've been married for 16 years but have no children. I work with drywall and steel stud framing. I also love the outdoors - eastern Washington is one of my favorite collecting destinations. A few years back, Ron Winter organized some nice collecting trips through this list. We collected crystals from Greenwater area, carbonized wood in orting, and augite in Lewis county. It would be nice to get another collecting trip together with list members. I collect just about any manner of rock or crystal, but definately specialize in petrified wood. Ed - you still on the list? I've been going through my collection and finding pieces that you can look at for identification. The WSMC puts together some nice trips each year too. http://www.mineralcouncil.org/ Looks like they are heading out to Duvall next weekend for petrified wood and jasper Well, I guess thats all for now! Brian On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:11:53 +0000, rain forest wrote: > We really need to get a list together. I'm SW of Port Orchard and have rockhounded since 1962. On another group I ffound a lonely rockhound over by Soap Lake that is finding great agate and minerals but has nobody to share with; so I'm making the July 4 weekend 4 days and going over to check the finds. > > Last year I began finding pretty nice stuff above the north end of Lk Cushman. Very small azurite/malachite and massive orbicular jasper. > > As for white petwood; check the Texas palmwood. I also have some, unknown source; except it's western states, that was given to me. I have three tumblers which run almost full time. > > As for myself, I'm 55, work as a Toolmaker for Boeing Commercial in Auburn, three grown kids, married for 33 years and love the outdoors. Native Washington, born in Renton. > > David Bese > The Rainforest Hippie > Pt. Orchard, Wa. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. > http://datingsearch.lycos.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Sat Mar 5 10:49:12 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 5 10:49:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: Message-ID: <002201c521b4$061dbfd0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Therefore this is definitely an impression, or mold, and it looks like a plant impression to me. Pictures, as usual, aren't as good as the real thing... And it appears to be limestone based on appearance and density. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Yancey" > Jeanette, Bob, and others, > > Let me provide a simple definition of a trace fossil. It is any marking in > a sediment or rock that records the activities of an organism. Note the > focus on activity. As Bob points out, footprints are trace fossils, > because they show the movement of an animal on the sediment. The most > common types of trace fossils are burrows made by an organism for feeding > activity or for shelter. These are very common in many marine deposits. > Other types of trace fossils include borings in rock (for shelter) and > feeding markings (like clams and snails broken open by crabs or fish, or > leaves with bite marks on them) and more interesting types like > gastroliths (stomach stones) and coprolites (feces). There are even exotic > trace fossils such as nest sites. A colleague of mine once described a > honeycomb trace fossil (preserved by encrustation of calcite in a cave > deposit), which is a material produced by the activity of bees. Plants > produce trace fossils also, mostly as root penetrations into the sediment > on which they grow. The common point is that each of these is a record of > activity during life. > > However, an impression of fossil that has been dissolved away or decayed > away is not really a trace fossil. It is a mold of a fossil. A mold is a > record of the actual remains of an organism or part of an organism, rather > than its activity. > > Another type of trace fossil that we often see is the material we call > stromatolite. Stromatolites are made up of thin layers of sediment trapped > in place by mats of microbes living on the sediment (the microbes are > mostly cyanobacteria [blue-green algae] and various single celled > eukaryote algae, along with various other microbes). As such, they are > structures produced by the presence of the mats, not the remains of the > microbes, even in cases where the stromatolite has a distinctive form. Of > course, in some cases the stromatolite contains the trapped and preserved > remains of some of the microbes that lived in the mat, but the > stromatolite itself is produced by the entire mat, not by any single > microbe. > > There are many very distinctive and even pretty trace fossils. Because > they show the range of life activities of an organism, trace fossils are > very interesting. > > Tom Yancey > > From dhawk at EcologyFund.net Sat Mar 5 13:52:15 2005 From: dhawk at EcologyFund.net (the other angus) Date: Sat Mar 5 13:52:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a splitting question Message-ID: <20050305215216.300FE3954@sitemail.everyone.net> I have some morrocan selenite here. ITs not like the utah variety its crystal grain is formed parrallel and syndrical. I was wonderin I am trying to get more than two pieces out of this and make into four. The question I have is any suggestions on how to split this piece? I can cut it no problem but I am never well have had any experience in splitting these types of rock. Darren   ------------------------------------------ Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Mar 5 14:52:13 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (tam2819@cox.net) Date: Sat Mar 5 14:52:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small vs large world Message-ID: <20050305225213.QXKK2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Horst, Thanks, yes I did know that. Africa, I love it! At separate times I have visited, North Africa, East Africa and South Africa. Drove the Garden route some 2,000 miles with another lady. Got a ticket in Krueger Park for speeding. Stood 3 feet from Charlie the Alligator living in a water hole on the Golf Course at the Victoria, while he was being fed lots of red meat. Africa is indeed a very wonderful Continent, I do hope to return. Terrie From kahako at verizon.net Sat Mar 5 17:08:26 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Mar 5 17:08:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry References: <030320052004.5503.42276DB5000F37320000157F216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <001a01c521e9$010ec950$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Bill and I think you are referring to Kaula Island. The following site shows a drawing, a map and an aerial photo, as well as a lot of information that is not of a geologic nature. http://www.janeresture.com/kaula/ Aloha, Kitty > I think one of our Hawaiian friends (hi, Kitty & Bill!) needs to clarify > for us (or for me) about exactly what and where "Kaula" is--that I read on > the one website, about being the only place mentioned where phonolite > occurred. I see that Kaula does not appear in the list of islands on the > Oceanic Volcanism site. I'm not quite totally sure if Kaula is an entire > island, or just a single cinder cone--or what it is. Evidently it's one > of the "less important" places in Hawaii. > > Pete From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 5 19:28:20 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 5 19:29:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: Message-ID: <000a01c521fc$8c2901a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Well it's definitely an impression of some sort. The base rock is hard but the thin layer the impression is in, is soft. I wet it to clean it up a little and it softened up so much you could scratch it off with your fingernail. Whatever it was that made the impression can't be too old geologically to be in a soft layer of silt can it? The "leaflets" on the stalk had a very bulbous tip from the deep rounded look of the impression. It reminds me of a salt water algae I've seen before but I can't think of the name. I know it's not halimeda. There's a calerpa that has bulbous "leaves, but they're not arranged like this. It sort of looks like bacopa too, a fresh water plant. We have an enthusiast at the gem club who is real familiar with Alabama's fossils. Maybe he'll have an idea of what it is. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > Hi Jeanette, > > >From what I remember, a trace fossil is basically a fossil that leaves a > trace of a plant or animal, but there isn't any plant or animal material > (such as silicified bone or carbon) left in the fossil. For example, the > impression of a leaf would be a trace fossil since there is no leaf or > carbon material. But if you see the carbonized remains of the leaf, it is > not a trace fossil. Also, dinosaur footprints are a trace fossil because > the bones of the dinosaur aren't there; just the impression of the dino's > feet. > > If I got that wrong or someone else can explain it better, please be my > guest! :-) > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > geenet2@mchsi.com > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:24 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > What is a "trace" fossil?? Don't remember that phrase....old age, I guess. > Jeanette > > > > Pure chert won't, but impure chert might have a little limestone mixed > with > > it. In any event, without the specimen in hand I can't be sure. > > In any event, I still think is a trace fossil and not a plant. > > > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeanette Wimpee" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > > > > > Chert is around the area, but I think this piece is solid limestone. > Chert > > > won't fizz in acid will it? > > > Jeanette > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alan Goldstein" > > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > > > > > > > >> Looks like chert (not limestone) to me. Could be a specialized feeding > > >> pattern of a burrowing organism. I've collected plants in limestone, > but > > >> they are carbonized. > > >> > > >> Alan > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" > > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > > >> > > >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:26 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? > > >> > > >> > > >> >I would be interested to know others thoughts too.. Being limestone > > >> >would > > >> >more or less make it likely a marine specimen and the central lateral > > > area > > >> >looks like crinoid but have no idea what the leaf like appendages > might > > >> >be... Doesnt really look like a terrestrial plant form and the rock > > > seems > > >> >to be wrong. > > >> > > > >> >>Anybody want to try to identify a plant impression?? > > >> >>While we were looking for Alabama agate last week, I found a chunk of > > >> >>limestone with a nice impression in it. > > >> >>I put pictures of it online at > > >> > > > >>>http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPGuestLogin?username=geenet2&passw > o > > > rd=68497572 > > >> >> > > >> >>That's a first! > > >> >>Jeanette > > >> >> > > >> >>_______________________________________________ > > >> >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >> >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >> >>Subscription Services: > > >> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >> > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >> > Subscription Services: > > >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >> Subscription Services: > > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 5 19:58:05 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 5 19:36:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a splitting question References: <20050305215216.300FE3954@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <422A7AC1.6CD4@Tomaszewski.net> the other angus wrote: > > I have some morrocan selenite here. ITs not like the utah variety its crystal grain is formed parrallel and syndrical. I was wonderin I am trying to get more than two pieces out of this and make into four. The question I have is any suggestions on how to split this piece? I can cut it no problem but I am never well have had any experience in splitting these types of rock. > Darren Darren, For spliting gypsum chunks I usually use a 1" wood chisel and a mallet. For splitting selenite I usually use a knife blade and a mallet (but sometimes I use a three inch putty knife/scraper). Gypsum is soft enough you can just cut it with a carpenter's saw. Kreigh From morningstar at att.net Sat Mar 5 20:00:27 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Mar 5 19:55:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? In-Reply-To: <000a01c521fc$8c2901a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> References: <000a01c521fc$8c2901a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <422A805B.5000303@att.net> Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > Well it's definitely an impression of some sort. The base rock is hard but > the thin layer the impression is in, is soft. I wet it to clean it up a > little and it softened up so much you could scratch it off with your > fingernail. Whatever it was that made the impression can't be too old > geologically to be in a soft layer of silt can it? Oh don't assume that. The layers of clay and lignite in the Raritan formation are soft and gooey, and I have seen a very few pieces of green plant material come out of there... and the formation is 93 million years old. I don't have any of the green material myself, but I have a number of pliant, brown pieces that exhibit cell wall structure and nuclei. Don From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 5 20:08:56 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 5 20:09:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images References: <008901c52123$47b148e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <42296E5E.1030100@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002101c52202$37b4c540$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Thanks! Now those kind of pictures I can see, without the headache. We had some of those cardboard 3D glasses around from something the grandkids had here. Weird colors, but in 3D. My brain can not combine the images of each eye into one image. Especially at close distances. Too much astigmatism in my right eye. Basically I use the right eye for distance, and the left for close up or reading. Makes looking on the ground for rocks interesting. I do better if I'm sitting down amongst them. The bifocals don't make it much easier either. Oldly, Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images > Hi Jeanette (and the rest) > > I somehow missed the original question, but if it was how to look at 3d > photo's I have a neat way WITHOUT a headache. The crossed eye method > does not work for me. All I get is the famous headache but I never see > true 3d. > > My method is a bit more elaborate, but in the end more fun. All you need > is red/green 3d glasses. The cardboard ones are cheaply available on > ebay and work fine. Also you need a photo editing software that is > capable of handling layers. Photoshop is perfect, but there are many more. > > the result will be: > http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=21047* > *(this picture I made myself , by combining two separate shots on a > slightly different angle. > > Such a red/green image is called a anaglyph. Depending on the glasses > you have, the above image is even in color and you'll see the yellow > calcites. > > This is how I made it. It is tricky to get the angles of the two images > correct, but if you have a digital camera it is defenitely fun to play with. > http://dogfeathers.com/3d/3dhowto.html > > Now if you have those crossed eye images, you can simply use the left > and right part, cut them loose, make one green and one red and tranlate > the layers, as iin the link above. You will see the image appearing in > 3d. Really cool. > > Cheers, > Maurice > > Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > >Ouch, now I have a headache.....not from cardboard. > > > >Jeanette > > > > > > > > > >>Two possible techniques: > >> > >>1) the stare > >>Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. > >>without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. > >>At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. If > >>you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each > >>photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make > >> > >> > >the > > > > > >>two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in > >> > >> > >its > > > > > >>full glory. > >> > >>It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) > >> > >>2) the cardboard > >>Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 > >>inches). > >>Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, > >>pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your > >>face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. > >>Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: > >>a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds > >>b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk > >>c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye > >>Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure > >>You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see the > >>image. > >> > >>Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the picture > >>independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures > >>again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo > >> > >> > >photo > > > > > >>again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I > >> > >> > >see > > > > > >>a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. > >>As I said earlier: a question of practice. > >> > >>Enjoy > >> > >>Axel > >> > >> > >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > >>Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 > >>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > >> > >> > >>Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. > >>How do you see the "stereo" minerals? > >>Jeanette > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Axel Emmermann" > >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >> > >>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM > >>Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > >>> > >>>Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of > >>> > >>> > >our > > > > > >>>website. > >>>Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > >>> > >>>Chaxeerzel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 5 21:18:41 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 5 21:19:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Fossil Plant ID? References: <000a01c521fc$8c2901a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <422A805B.5000303@att.net> Message-ID: <00cd01c5220b$f66ab4a0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> That's interesting, I would have thought older = harder. I assuming not very old considering how close to the coast it was found, and how close to the surface it came from. Considering we sit on old sea bed and river alluvial debris here and the land is not old here geologically. Anybody know how long the Gulf Coast has been out of the water? Remember I collect rocks, but I'm not a geologist. I'm learning... Jeanette > > Oh don't assume that. The layers of clay and lignite in the Raritan > formation are soft and gooey, and I have seen a very few pieces of green > plant material come out of there... and the formation is 93 million > years old. I don't have any of the green material myself, but I have a > number of pliant, brown pieces that exhibit cell wall structure and > nuclei. > > Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 5 21:41:58 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 5 21:20:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> Mick Cooper wrote: > However, his suggestion that we "Estimate the total weight of your > collection in pounds" must surely be a joke?! (We're not talking about > anglers here!) Most folks are going to find it hard enough to estimate the > numbers of specimens, let alone what they weigh... > >20. How many specimens would you say you have in your > >collection?___ > > The number of specimens shouldn't be an alternative to how much space they > take up. We need to know both! Mick (and Tina), All three make sense (then we can also figure the average density of the collection, and estimate the gravity anomaly it causes). Let me explain further by/after a few examples. * There is a guy near me that collects glacial boulders, big ones. He is selective, and every one is a different kind of rock or mineral. They are cataloged and labeled, and occupy several acres; schools take field trips to see the collection. * I once met a guy while collecting that collects in bulk, typically 100-250 lb lots. I had to ask when I saw how much he was putting into his backpack - again cataloged and labeled. The best of each lot is in a case in his basement, and the specimen number also corresponds to a bin or barrel in his pole barn. He said he is going to open a rock shop when he retires, so he doesn't sell or trade. * I once knew a micromount collector that had almost 2500 specimens, each a unique species, that was housed in a cabinet about the size of a small TV. Again, labeled and cataloged. * I knew a collector 20 some years ago (before he moved out west somewhere) who had about 5,000 rocks. He could consistently tell you what each one was, and where he collected/traded(/bought) it, but not a single one was labeled, or cataloged, any place other than in his head. * I once ran into a collector at a chance show while on a business trip who collected crystal shapes. Beautiful collection to see, labeled only by exact crystal specifications, and cataloged in the same way. He had absolutely no knowledge of, or interest in, what the minerals were; he was only interested in perfection of crystal shape, and size. * I used to have linked a collector's website (it is gone now) that had only 37 specimens (all that fit in the display cabinet in his apartment); I would have been proud to own any of the specimens, and estimate each cost him many thousands of dollars. Overall number of specimens, weight, and space occupied, are all useful, but we also need to know the same stats for labeled, cataloged, on display, and in storage (and maybe 'trade stock') categories, before we can understand what 'typical' collections look like. But the missing question is estimated (and maybe $/# purchased) value of your collection. Kreigh From paul at minerant.org Sun Mar 6 03:10:44 2005 From: paul at minerant.org (Paul Tambuyser) Date: Sun Mar 6 03:10:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral collectors page renewed Message-ID: <000e01c5223d$27781de0$9600000a@Bib> The "mineral collectors page", the website of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, exists since 1995. To celebrate this 10 year anniversary, the "mineral collectors page" http://www.minerant.org has recently been renewed (new design and new structure). It is a starting point for exploring mineralogy on the internet. You will find information relevant to mineral collectors and lots of links to other mineralogy or earth science related sites. Happy browsing, Paul Tambuyser (webmaster) Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, Belgium info@minerant.org www.minerant.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Sun Mar 6 04:09:48 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sun Mar 6 04:06:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Satin Spar Gypsum References: <200503060200.j2620TRO030197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001401c52245$655a4630$2eeaa5d8@rock5> I have some Moroccan selenite here. Its not like the Utah variety its crystal grain is formed parallel and syndrical. I was wondering I am trying to get more than two pieces out of this and make into four. The question I have is any suggestions on how to split this piece? I can cut it no problem but I am never well have had any experience in splitting these types of rock. Darren This type of gypsum in Morocco must be abundant. Container loads of it are sent to China for working into various things like balls, eggs, tea candle holders etc. I have imported a few tons of it and have found that you can cut it across the "grain" with your standard band saw without water. It is quite soft and cutting it this way makes a lot of dust. I am sure you could cut it with the grain too if that is what you want to do. An easy way to "polish" it is to leave it in running water and it will, in a day or two become rounded and smooth. This is a property it shares with selenite crystals. A supplier used to take broken gypsum crystals from Naica and put them in his kids swimming pool in the back yard with the hose running a little bit and in the morning would come out and collect his nicely polished selenite crystals that now showed none of the scratches and nicks that they used to have. Other dealers wanting to remove gypsum from specimens where it was covering something of greater interest and value would use the same trick. Some of the first anhydrites from Naica were growing in gypsum which I was told was etched away with running water leaving only the anhydrite crystals which were sold for huge amounts. There have been so many of these crystals found now in Naica (already free of gypsum) that the prices for these items is quite modest. I have never tried this with gypsum/anhydrite but despite their similar chemical nature think the story is true. I have a specimen with crystallized gypsum and crystallized anhydrite together from this locality but it doesn't need to be etched out. Some people have cut thin slices across the long prismatic pieces of satin spar from Morocco and polished the top and bottom of the pieces and marketed them as a replacement for optical ulexite (TV Rock). Some have even advertised it as ulexite. It looks a little bit like optical calcite when cut thin, but if you put a piece of it on some printed material next to a similar specimen of optical ulexite, the difference is obvious. If you are careful you can split the satin spar "with the grain" by placing a knife edge parallel to the grain and tapping the blade with a hammer. It works best if the pieces are relatively thin and you have a nice flat surface perpendicular to the grain to start with. You could probably make carvings easily from this material and "water polish" it, though if you left it in the water too long you would certainly loose much of the detail on the carving. Rock From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Sun Mar 6 05:07:58 2005 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Sun Mar 6 05:07:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images In-Reply-To: <002101c52202$37b4c540$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> References: <008901c52123$47b148e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <42296E5E.1030100@xs4all.nl> <002101c52202$37b4c540$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <422B00AE.2070308@xs4all.nl> >Basically I use >the right eye for distance, and the left for close up or reading. > Cool, can you move them independently, like a cameleon? :-) Then you can investigate rocks with one eye while searching the quarry wall for pockets and veins with your other :-))) Cheers, Maurice >Makes >looking on the ground for rocks interesting. I do better if I'm sitting down >amongst them. The bifocals don't make it much easier either. >Oldly, >Jeanette > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maurice de Graaf" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:31 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images > > > > >>Hi Jeanette (and the rest) >> >>I somehow missed the original question, but if it was how to look at 3d >>photo's I have a neat way WITHOUT a headache. The crossed eye method >>does not work for me. All I get is the famous headache but I never see >>true 3d. >> >>My method is a bit more elaborate, but in the end more fun. All you need >>is red/green 3d glasses. The cardboard ones are cheaply available on >>ebay and work fine. Also you need a photo editing software that is >>capable of handling layers. Photoshop is perfect, but there are many more. >> >>the result will be: >>http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=21047* >>*(this picture I made myself , by combining two separate shots on a >>slightly different angle. >> >>Such a red/green image is called a anaglyph. Depending on the glasses >>you have, the above image is even in color and you'll see the yellow >>calcites. >> >>This is how I made it. It is tricky to get the angles of the two images >>correct, but if you have a digital camera it is defenitely fun to play >> >> >with. > > >>http://dogfeathers.com/3d/3dhowto.html >> >>Now if you have those crossed eye images, you can simply use the left >>and right part, cut them loose, make one green and one red and tranlate >>the layers, as iin the link above. You will see the image appearing in >>3d. Really cool. >> >>Cheers, >>Maurice >> >>Jeanette Wimpee wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ouch, now I have a headache.....not from cardboard. >>> >>>Jeanette >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Two possible techniques: >>>> >>>>1) the stare >>>>Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. >>>>without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. >>>>At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. >>>> >>>> >If > > >>>>you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each >>>>photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>its >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>full glory. >>>> >>>>It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) >>>> >>>>2) the cardboard >>>>Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 >>>>inches). >>>>Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, >>>>pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your >>>>face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. >>>>Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: >>>>a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds >>>>b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk >>>>c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye >>>>Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure >>>>You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>>image. >>>> >>>>Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the >>>> >>>> >picture > > >>>>independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures >>>>again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>photo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. >>>>As I said earlier: a question of practice. >>>> >>>>Enjoy >>>> >>>>Axel >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>>>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee >>>>Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 >>>>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >>>>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites >>>> >>>> >>>>Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. >>>>How do you see the "stereo" minerals? >>>>Jeanette >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Axel Emmermann" >>>>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >>>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. >>>>> >>>>>Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>our >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>website. >>>>>Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html >>>>> >>>>>Chaxeerzel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>>Subscription Services: >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>>Subscription Services: >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sun Mar 6 05:14:44 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 6 05:14:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images In-Reply-To: <422B00AE.2070308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200503061314.j26DEk01017379@outmx005.isp.belgacom.be> People with very different eyes (I mean one eye of one individual compared to the other eye of the same individual), usually can't enjoy stereoscopic images (I'm in that case myself). Don't worry about that. There are far more important things one could miss :>)) Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Maurice de Graaf Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:08 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images >Basically I use >the right eye for distance, and the left for close up or reading. > Cool, can you move them independently, like a cameleon? :-) Then you can investigate rocks with one eye while searching the quarry wall for pockets and veins with your other :-))) Cheers, Maurice >Makes >looking on the ground for rocks interesting. I do better if I'm sitting down >amongst them. The bifocals don't make it much easier either. >Oldly, >Jeanette > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maurice de Graaf" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:31 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images > > > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Mar 6 05:37:12 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Mar 6 05:37:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images In-Reply-To: <200503061314.j26DEk01017379@outmx005.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: Rik wrote: >People with very different eyes (I mean one eye of one individual compared to the other eye of the same individual), >usually can't enjoy stereoscopic images (I'm in that case myself). Don't worry about that. There are far more important >things one could miss :>)) I have indeed heard much worse stories about people with different ears and wind shear and whiplash. ROFL Now, seriously: I have one eye that is slightly (or a bit more than slightly) lazy. It took me years to figure out how to look at those stereographic images. But now that I can, my eyes do the work without me even trying... they snap into "the stare" position. Very annoying if you have brothers- in-law that are identical twins!!! Every time they come into the room, my eyes snap into the stare mode... like I'm in some kind of a trance..... Cheersaxel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Rik Dillen Verzonden: zondag 6 maart 2005 14:15 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Stereo images People with very different eyes (I mean one eye of one individual compared to the other eye of the same individual), usually can't enjoy stereoscopic images (I'm in that case myself). Don't worry about that. There are far more important things one could miss :>)) Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Maurice de Graaf Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:08 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images >Basically I use >the right eye for distance, and the left for close up or reading. > Cool, can you move them independently, like a cameleon? :-) Then you can investigate rocks with one eye while searching the quarry wall for pockets and veins with your other :-))) Cheers, Maurice >Makes >looking on the ground for rocks interesting. I do better if I'm sitting down >amongst them. The bifocals don't make it much easier either. >Oldly, >Jeanette > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maurice de Graaf" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:31 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images > > > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sun Mar 6 08:07:22 2005 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun Mar 6 08:07:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] White Pet Wood References: <200503060200.j2620TRK030197@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <422B2ABA.421B50DD@earthlink.net> I thought I'd post some pics of my "white" petrified wood. I can't find my best piece, but here's 3 others. All of these are probably from Leon county TX or Montgomery county TX. I think my best piece is from Leon county TX, but it's not shown here. http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/spet1.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/spet2.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/spet3.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/spet4.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/spet5.jpg Then there is this interesting rock. It looks like gypsum, but I hope it's not because I have it stored outside in the rain. http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/srock1.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeflan/srock2.jpg Mike > Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:11:53 +0000 > From: "rain forest" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Michelle, Brian and other Washingtonians > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: <20050305171153.E64853384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We really need to get a list together. I'm SW of Port Orchard and have rockhounded since 1962. On another group I ffound a lonely rockhound over by Soap Lake that is finding great agate and minerals but has nobody to share with; so I'm making the July 4 weekend 4 days and going over to check the finds. > > Last year I began finding pretty nice stuff above the north end of Lk Cushman. Very small azurite/malachite and massive orbicular jasper. > > As for white petwood; check the Texas palmwood. I also have some, unknown source; except it's western states, that was given to me. I have three tumblers which run almost full time. > > As for myself, I'm 55, work as a Toolmaker for Boeing Commercial in Auburn, three grown kids, married for 33 years and love the outdoors. Native Washington, born in Renton. > > David Bese > The Rainforest Hippie > Pt. Orchard, Wa. From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Mar 6 07:31:59 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Mar 6 08:39:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small vs large world References: <20050305225213.QXKK2123.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <000001c5226b$009ecf60$a24227c4@privatehome> Hi Terrie, The next time you decide to visit South Africa, please contact me so that we can meet each other. I am willing to met you at the Johannesburg International Airport, give you some general travelling tips, show you our Clubhouse and can also show Pretoria and its environment as well as showing you my mineral collection (cabinet,micro and sand). Also what about a collecting trip in the area.? (This offer is open to anyone keen on visiting South Africa). Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gemcollectors" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Rockhounds] small vs large world > Horst, > Thanks, yes I did know that. Africa, I love it! At separate times I have > visited, North Africa, East Africa and South Africa. > > Drove the Garden route some 2,000 miles with another lady. Got a ticket in > Krueger Park for speeding. > > Stood 3 feet from Charlie the Alligator living in a water hole on the Golf > Course at the Victoria, while he was being fed lots of red meat. > > Africa is indeed a very wonderful Continent, I do hope to return. > Terrie > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Mar 6 09:19:40 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 6 09:08:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002b01c52270$b1620600$78a4490c@pete> I think it makes sense too (just as a matter of mutual curiosity & interest to collectors), those questions about total weight and number of specimens in your collection. Certainly, some collectors would have a good (or even a very rough) estimate of those things, and some wouldn't. Having moved a few times in the past years, I have at least a rough idea of that (now, maybe I'm be embarassed to ADMIT how much stuff I have!). And I know it's often hard to even estimate--for example, how many of the neat "yard rocks" one has sitting outside, count as "part of my collection". And, if I have a couple of boxes full of "extra" specimens that I collected on X past field trips--does that count as part of "my collection", or not? (Maybe it counts as part of it for the "mass" question, but not for the "number of specimens" questions. (Ha ha--when I say "a couple of boxes of extra specimens"... probably it's more like... a hundred such boxes????) And then there's that one about "have you ever trespassed on private property". Ever - ever - ever? And how honest do we expect everyone to be, and is the questionaire to be anonymous? (I assume it is--I forget what the background discussion about that was--since it included things like "income range"--though maybe that doesn't belong in it--and how would people have assurance that it would be kept anonymous when submitted, if that was the intent?) And all that... Going back to number of specimens, I was impressed one or two times be going to someone's house to see their collection, and having them bring out some boxes, and show off some... certain number of very fine specimens, something between 30 and 100 specimens, and saying, "THAT" is my collection, period, this and nothing more. Wow, what self-control! Of course, we are talking specimens mostly purchased, and mostly quite expensive... different collectors have vastly different philosophies what "collecting" means to them, and just what type of enjoyment they get from it. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) > Mick Cooper wrote: > > > However, his suggestion that we "Estimate the total weight of your > > collection in pounds" must surely be a joke?! (We're not talking about > > anglers here!) Most folks are going to find it hard enough to estimate the > > numbers of specimens, let alone what they weigh... > > > >20. How many specimens would you say you have in your > > >collection?___ > > > > The number of specimens shouldn't be an alternative to how much space they > > take up. We need to know both! > > > Mick (and Tina), > > All three make sense (then we can also figure the average density of the > collection, and estimate the gravity anomaly it causes). Let me explain > further by/after a few examples. > > * There is a guy near me that collects glacial boulders, big ones. He is > selective, and every one is a different kind of rock or mineral. They > are cataloged and labeled, and occupy several acres; schools take field > trips to see the collection. > > * I once met a guy while collecting that collects in bulk, typically > 100-250 lb lots. I had to ask when I saw how much he was putting into > his backpack - again cataloged and labeled. The best of each lot is in a > case in his basement, and the specimen number also corresponds to a bin > or barrel in his pole barn. He said he is going to open a rock shop when > he retires, so he doesn't sell or trade. > > * I once knew a micromount collector that had almost 2500 specimens, > each a unique species, that was housed in a cabinet about the size of a > small TV. Again, labeled and cataloged. > > * I knew a collector 20 some years ago (before he moved out west > somewhere) who had about 5,000 rocks. He could consistently tell you > what each one was, and where he collected/traded(/bought) it, but not a > single one was labeled, or cataloged, any place other than in his head. > > * I once ran into a collector at a chance show while on a business trip > who collected crystal shapes. Beautiful collection to see, labeled only > by exact crystal specifications, and cataloged in the same way. He had > absolutely no knowledge of, or interest in, what the minerals were; he > was only interested in perfection of crystal shape, and size. > > * I used to have linked a collector's website (it is gone now) that had > only 37 specimens (all that fit in the display cabinet in his > apartment); I would have been proud to own any of the specimens, and > estimate each cost him many thousands of dollars. > > Overall number of specimens, weight, and space occupied, are all useful, > but we also need to know the same stats for labeled, cataloged, on > display, and in storage (and maybe 'trade stock') categories, before we > can understand what 'typical' collections look like. > > But the missing question is estimated (and maybe $/# purchased) value of > your collection. > > Kreigh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Mar 6 09:38:38 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 6 09:27:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kaula and Hawaiian minerals References: <030320052004.5503.42276DB5000F37320000157F216037602107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <001a01c521e9$010ec950$2f01a8c0@obedientservant> Message-ID: <003801c52273$5575e3e0$78a4490c@pete> Kitty, That you for posting that website about Kaula island, I looked at it, and it does give a very good & complete description of the island, and good pictures. Most interesting place! I hadn't yet tried to look up Kaula in any kind of atlas or anything or online. I just cheked again in the book I mentioned, "Volcanoes in the Sea", and I see it does also discuss Kaula, as part of the Kauai-Niihau group of islands. It mentions, on Kaula, lava bombs containing cores of olivine-rich peridotite. Incidentally, in this same book--I'd forgottent that this was in it (and what I have is the first (1970) edition, fourth printing, 1977--perhaps it may have been updated since), a section in the back on Mineral Localities in the Hawaiian Islands--just a 4-page section, and the minerals it describes are aragonite, augite, calcite, chalcedony, feldspar, gypsum, hypersthene, obsidian (OK, a rock not a mineral), olivine, pyrite, pyroxene (= see augite & hypersthene), quartz, and "zeolite". Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] lava at Mauna Kea adz quarry > Bill and I think you are referring to Kaula Island. The following site > shows a drawing, a map and an aerial photo, as well as a lot of information > that is not of a geologic nature. > > http://www.janeresture.com/kaula/ > > Aloha, Kitty > > > I think one of our Hawaiian friends (hi, Kitty & Bill!) needs to clarify > > for us (or for me) about exactly what and where "Kaula" is--that I read on > > the one website, about being the only place mentioned where phonolite > > occurred. I see that Kaula does not appear in the list of islands on the > > Oceanic Volcanism site. I'm not quite totally sure if Kaula is an entire > > island, or just a single cinder cone--or what it is. Evidently it's one > > of the "less important" places in Hawaii. > > > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Mar 6 09:29:59 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 6 09:30:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images References: <008901c52123$47b148e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <42296E5E.1030100@xs4all.nl><002101c52202$37b4c540$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> <422B00AE.2070308@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002d01c52272$1f629e20$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> No, not quite like that. I can switch which eye's image I'm aware of in the brain. In other word's ignore one image and "see" the other, and then switch.. But when the kids were small keeping an eye on them seemed to entail looking 360 degrees around all the time. :-) I DO have great peripheral vision tho. It's the mid distance vision that is a problem. Which means I can search the quarry wall OR I can search the ground, otherwise I trip over something... Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice de Graaf" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images > > >Basically I use > >the right eye for distance, and the left for close up or reading. > > > > Cool, can you move them independently, like a cameleon? :-) Then you can > investigate rocks with one eye while searching the quarry wall for > pockets and veins with your other :-))) > > Cheers, > Maurice > > >Makes > >looking on the ground for rocks interesting. I do better if I'm sitting down > >amongst them. The bifocals don't make it much easier either. > >Oldly, > >Jeanette > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Maurice de Graaf" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:31 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stereo images > > > > > > > > > >>Hi Jeanette (and the rest) > >> > >>I somehow missed the original question, but if it was how to look at 3d > >>photo's I have a neat way WITHOUT a headache. The crossed eye method > >>does not work for me. All I get is the famous headache but I never see > >>true 3d. > >> > >>My method is a bit more elaborate, but in the end more fun. All you need > >>is red/green 3d glasses. The cardboard ones are cheaply available on > >>ebay and work fine. Also you need a photo editing software that is > >>capable of handling layers. Photoshop is perfect, but there are many more. > >> > >>the result will be: > >>http://www.mindat.org/picshow.php?id=21047* > >>*(this picture I made myself , by combining two separate shots on a > >>slightly different angle. > >> > >>Such a red/green image is called a anaglyph. Depending on the glasses > >>you have, the above image is even in color and you'll see the yellow > >>calcites. > >> > >>This is how I made it. It is tricky to get the angles of the two images > >>correct, but if you have a digital camera it is defenitely fun to play > >> > >> > >with. > > > > > >>http://dogfeathers.com/3d/3dhowto.html > >> > >>Now if you have those crossed eye images, you can simply use the left > >>and right part, cut them loose, make one green and one red and tranlate > >>the layers, as iin the link above. You will see the image appearing in > >>3d. Really cool. > >> > >>Cheers, > >>Maurice > >> > >>Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Ouch, now I have a headache.....not from cardboard. > >>> > >>>Jeanette > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Two possible techniques: > >>>> > >>>>1) the stare > >>>>Stare over your monitor at a point in the distance for a minute or so. > >>>>without focusing, lower your eyes until the image comes into view. > >>>>At this point you should already be almost ready to see the 3-D effect. > >>>> > >>>> > >If > > > > > >>>>you don't, you should see 4 white dots (there are two, one under each > >>>>photo, but since you do not focus you should see four dots.) Try to make > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>the > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>two in the middle overlap. If you can, you will see the stereo photo in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>its > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>full glory. > >>>> > >>>>It's really a matter of practice. So, don't give up to easily ;-))) > >>>> > >>>>2) the cardboard > >>>>Cut out a piece of cardboard of at least 40 cm (16 inches) X 25 cm (10 > >>>>inches). > >>>>Place the cardboard vertically and perpendicular on your monitor screen, > >>>>pressing one of the short sides smack between the images. Now press your > >>>>face against the cardboard so that one eye is on each side of it. > >>>>Do not press to hard or one of three things may happen: > >>>>a) you get a painful sensation between the eyes and your nose bleeds > >>>>b) your monitor falls of the far side of you desk > >>>>c) the cardboard folds, possibly poking you in the eye > >>>>Should any of these happen: immediately reduce pressure > >>>>You eye should immediately seek out the right positions and you'll see > >>>> > >>>> > >the > > > > > >>>>image. > >>>> > >>>>Now without moving your eyes, remove the cardboard and look at the > >>>> > >>>> > >picture > > > > > >>>>independently. Allow your eyes to focus until you see the two pictures > >>>>again. Then, try to reverse that eye movement until you see the stereo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>photo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>again. It's the best way to learn the technique of staring ;-))) When I > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>a stereo pair now, my eyes snap in position almost autonomously. > >>>>As I said earlier: a question of practice. > >>>> > >>>>Enjoy > >>>> > >>>>Axel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >>>>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >>>>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee > >>>>Verzonden: vrijdag 4 maart 2005 3:07 > >>>>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > >>>>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Love it! Very cool look, I love black backgrounds. > >>>>How do you see the "stereo" minerals? > >>>>Jeanette > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Axel Emmermann" > >>>>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >>>> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:35 PM > >>>>Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Club Websites > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Absolutely fabulous. Good photos too! That draws a crowd... always. > >>>>> > >>>>>Our webmaste has outdone himself in his latest rejuvenation attempt of > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>our > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>website. > >>>>>Please have a look: http://www.minerant.org/home.html > >>>>> > >>>>>Chaxeerzel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>>>Subscription Services: > >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>>>Subscription Services: > >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>>Subscription Services: > >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Mar 6 09:35:18 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 6 09:36:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stereo images References: Message-ID: <003501c52272$ddd272e0$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> I had surgery to fix that problem, myself. Maybe if you can do it, I can too. See the 3D pictures that is.. Jeanette > Now, seriously: I have one eye that is slightly (or a bit more than > slightly) lazy. It took me years to figure out how to look at those > stereographic images. But now that I can, my eyes do the work without me > even trying... they snap into "the stare" position. Very annoying if you > have brothers- in-law that are identical twins!!! > Every time they come into the room, my eyes snap into the stare mode... like > I'm in some kind of a trance..... > > Cheersaxel > > From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Sun Mar 6 12:34:35 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Sun Mar 6 12:34:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1><422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <002b01c52270$b1620600$78a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <000501c5228b$ea2a5ad0$78f1edc1@mpc1> >I think it makes sense too (just as a matter of mutual curiosity & interest > to collectors), those questions about total weight and number of specimens > in your collection. OK. So it's a good question. Be interesting to see what the answers are. For my part I have not a clue and couldn't begin to guess! Mick From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sun Mar 6 12:45:38 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Mar 6 12:45:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report Message-ID: <422B6BF2.9080405@tenforward.com> 3/6/2005 2005 Tucson Show Report By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com Hey, this is great. Do you have a yen for adventure? Do you like the thrill of the extreme? You do! All right, boy do I have a challenge for you! It's a toughie though. Here your grit will be tested, your mettle; the quality of your spirit and your courage, will be weighed. It's a 24- 7 romp that'll take your breath away. This little marathon, this little adventure race will take you 27 days to complete and will cover 3959 miles (6446 km)... are you still game? If so, read on dear friend, this is my 2005 Tucson Show Report! With this stirring your spirit to a fever pitch, let me just say two little words-- road trip. The first leg, to our friends Ted and Leslie's place just outside of Vancouver, Washington, took only a couple hours to complete, starting from our place here in Port Angeles. Once there, I enjoyed a leisurely evening in their wonderful company followed by a sound night's sleep. The next day was filled with harsh reality and before it was done, I'd be twenty hours behind the wheel. Just me and my little S-10 Chevy maxed out and hauling south until finally, at a point just before midnight, I arrived at the home of friends Melinda and Chris in San Bernardino, California, my travels finally completed for the day. Of that evening's conversation, I remember very little. I just remember crashing in their son's room, who fortuitously was not at home, to catch a few short hours sleep before once again jumping on the road, my hello and my good- bye too closely spaced. My path was bearing eastward now, as sometime during the night I'd finally branched off from the country spanning north- south running I-5 Interstate Highway onto the east- west running I-10. The busy hustle and bustle of the thriving bedroom communities lining the Highway was thankfully dulled down to a soft roar during the early morning hours in which I traveled and somehow I miraculously managed to slip right by with never a hint of a traffic jam to be seen. And then the houses dwindled away and the desert, all a' blossom from the rains which had preceded me, stretched itself before me and into the rising sun I raced, bold as the new day surrounding me. It's a shame I don't know the names of the myriads of flowering plants that colorfully lined the Highway, an unexpected sight in what is typically a much more desolate surrounding. Nonetheless, there were greens of many hues accentuated by yellow star bursts of flowers, subtle purple petals hidden beside bright whites, flaring oranges and fiery reds and all mixed in a gloriously multi- textured background of browns, tans and grays. The miles slipped steadily by. At Blythe, on the California and Arizona border and just prior to the great Recreation Vehicle oasis that is Quartzite, I pulled over for gas and a spot of chow before jumping back on the road again, heading for the border half- heartedly pursued by a cloud of swirling dust. Just out of Blythe, I met up with friend and fellow Washingtonian, Pat Curry, and together we both made our way to Quartzite. Pat had been there for several days already and is a bit of a regular. This was my first trip, and while my time was limited, I was anxious to see the spectacle. As we came down the hill driving east, even with the warnings, it was really something to see the desert explode in white. There were RV's and more RV's, and then there were even more. I followed Pat as he steered us unerringly to Desert Gardens, Quartzite's main mineral mecca, to a place right up front where we parked by the closest vendor, a thing that Pat said would never have happened during yesteryears show. We walked down several rows of vendors selling this and that before I found some specimens worthy of checking out. Here, two guys were offering self-collected specimens of Graves Mountain, Georgia, rutile, quartz and iridescent goethite. They had one nice twinned rutile on matrix and a small assemblage of loose rutile single crystals, but the bulk of their main display was bursting with bright rainbow colored goethite coated quartz's. Pat was taken with these and bought a dozen or two while I continued to walk around. On one corner, I spotted a large spread of white calcites which looked eerily familiar, sure enough they were from Washington, from the Cadman Quarry over near Monroe, in Snohomish County. The pieces were fairly buggered up and of a less then quality, still it was neat to see local material being offered. Other then these two examples, I really didn't see much worthy of comment and nothing worthy of a special trip. Still, it was nice to finally check the place out and in all fairness, with more time, I bet I'd have rummaged up something. But time was of the essence and the road was calling once again. With my good-byes said soon thereafter, I was back on the road and heading to Phoenix for my next stop at the residence and studio of Jeff Scovil ( http://www.scovilphoto.com/ ). I'd contacted Jeff prior to leaving so as to arrange a photo shoot of specimens from both the Rat's Nest and the Summer Storm claims, my digs near Challis, in central Idaho. Everything could have been handled easily enough at his traveling studio in Tucson excepting one specimen, this my 147 pound (67 kg) pseudomorph from the Summer Storm. With this being such a monster, special allowances had to be made and thus my exiting from I-10 and my parking soon thereafter at Jeff's as the next chapter in my adventure was about to begin. At the door I was met by Jeff's lovely daughter Leila, who escorted me to the backyard where Jeff slaved away hanging laundry. We said our hellos and visited for awhile before finally getting down to business. We rearranged vehicles and I was soon backing towards Jeff's lab (and breaking his yard tiles as I went, I told you my truck was weighed down --- sorry Jeff!) where I'd off load. Everything went great and Jeff performed his magic shooting the big specimen first. With each flash of the camera, a dream was being captured, one of the world's finest photographers was taking pictures of my specimens, of treasures found with my own hands. There may not have been the crashing of gongs and the ringing of bells, but it sure was a special time for me, and the camera flashes again and my world explodes in light. Needless to say, the whole experience really had me pumped up. But with time again pressing, I opted to leave my smaller specimens with Jeff so that he could shoot them at his leisure. I'd pick them up in Tucson later when he hit town. With my good-byes said, this got me back on the road early enough so that I could still set my sights for Tucson. I hit the Highway running. Around 10:00 p.m. I pulled off the St. Mary's Street exit and then pulled into the parking lot of the Inn Suites soon thereafter, my home for the next 23 days. I'd be spending my first night sharing the room with Scott Kleine, who had checked in the day before, and as I rapped expectantly at his door, I felt a surge of pure relief when it opened. I dragged myself in and collapsed on the other bed, where after not too much preamble, I excused myself and promptly, exhaustedly, fell asleep... in Tucson! Scott and I have shared the room at several shows now, both in Tucson and at the Fall Denver Show. In his Show Reports, Scott offers rare testimony of the behind the scenes challenges we experience to create a show from our businesses perspective and rather then me going on overly regarding the creation of our room(s), check out the links for the previously mentioned last several years shows to see what I mean and I'll be here when you're done, here's the link to Scott's Show Reports page... http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Mineral%20show%20pix%20page.htm ... and to his 2005 Tucson Show Report specifically... http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Mineral%20Show%20Pix/Tucson%202005%20Show%20Pix%20Page.htm I loved Scott's analogy regarding Tucson as being an adventure race as this so very well defines all that we go through. His photos are great too, one moment there's a perfect hotel room and the next, chaos reigns supreme and then next, display cases and specimens and a museum appears, one of hundreds that miraculously materialize in Tucson each year. I said miraculously, and a miracle it is. The whole world comes to Tucson with treasures to bedazzle and amaze. And among this legion, here I am, and like Scott mentioned in his report, I'm standing on my own for the first time this year with our business name hanging solo above the door, it may not be catchy and it may not come immediately to mind, but I like the ring of it, John Cornish Minerals. The Inn Suites Show is the strongest of the five shows Marty Zinn Expositions ( http://www.mzexpos.com/index.html ) hosts in Tucson and many of the hobby's finest dealers call this show home. I know it's certainly a venue I enjoy. Marty has terrific staff here whose capable efforts so efficiently make the insanity bearable, and I for one just want you all to know how much you're appreciated; way to go Regina, Laura and everyone else! The folks at the Inn Suites seemed to have a few challenges that had them stressed out a time or two, but when Mark Berg, the Executive Vice President walked through asking folks how things were going, I found that my issues (a refrigerator that was trying too hard to be a freezer, a phone which when rung, would additionally ring in another room so that two people would answer my room's incoming calls, and a tub that didn't want to drain) were speedily dealt with. Oh, there were little ripples, but none so strong as to rock my boat if you know what I mean. And so here I am, all checked in for my very first solo Tucson and while a bit twitchy, I'm also obviously very excited. Thankfully I had just the right place to exert all my nervous energy... and with that, I began tearing my room apart! As shown in Scott's report, over the course of the next several days, I transformed my hotel room into a showroom. While in the midst of this excitement, I varied things by taking several "town runs" for supplies. Mirroring last year, this primarily involved purchasing lights and getting newspaper. One thing a person learns is not to wait to purchase any support materials one might need. With a whole legion of dealers coming to town, all basically needing the same things, store stocks can and do disappear quickly! It was while returning from one of these trips, with my bags all a bursting with new goodies, that I noticed a little shop that had opened just west of the Inn Suites on St. Mary's and decided I just had to stop. These guys were artists and the shop was their dream studio where they brought to life the coolest of eccentric toys; nitrous oxide injected, motorized bicycles. These were neat customs whose roots went back to the very beginning of motorcycle development. They utilized a Chinese or a Russian (sorry, I can't remember which) motor to create their 35 mph (56 kmph) around town ground pounding two wheeled hybrids. Neat toys. Afterwards, back at the ol' homestead, it was time for more set-up fun and games. As I'm doing so, I make a special effort to keep the room in a semi-decent state of confusion so that should the early bird walk by, they can stick their head in the door and say hello. This worked for friends both old and new and it wasn't long before the smiling faces of both started to appear more frequently as more and more folks arrived in town. I love this, Tucson, or to quote an entry from the journal I keep when away on these adventures, " Tucson is fun, the rocks are great, but all my friends, they rule! I am so thankful for all these wonderful people, what a great circle of friends I'm blessed with here!". Yup, that pretty much says it all. As I worked, it was usually to the steady patter of falling rain (and Jimi Hendrix). The breezes were coldish and it seemed weather more a kin to home in western Washington as compared to Arizona and the desert. My room, #186, is a parking lot facing room as compared to last year's courtyard room, and I was thankful that any loading or unloading that needed doing was a quick and simple process of moving from the truck ten feet to the room. There were a great many reasons why I selected this room location when offered, this is just an extremely relevant one with the soggy conditions prevailing this year. And so, with a steady back beat, I worked away, while all around me the place buzzed with others all doing the same. The hours just sort of slipped away and night after night, as midnight would come and go, I'd swear I was going to get to bed earlier on the morrow. Well, day after day of grinding came and went and I never did get the good night's rest I so very much needed and so, like many of those around me, I walked around tired with another fourteen dozen things still needing to be done. Thank goodness I was smart enough to realize that I needed sustenance. Food. Red meat and beer. The days may have me slaving in the room but the nights, they belonged to Lil' Abner's! Ah the smell of roasting meat, the refreshingly smooth way a beer tastes and then the ultimate satisfaction of BBQ ribs. Umm, umm good! A rack and a half will usually do me in just fine and if there's leftovers, no problem, they eat just as sweetly for lunch the next day. I went out to Lil' A's on several occasions, always accompanied by friends a' plenty, what wonderful times (all except for that one Saturday night when we left a bit too late and found an hour plus long waiting list, we decided on another place as we were all starving and then went out for BBQ the next day where we found out that they'd served over 650 dinners the night before -- whew, that's a lot of hungry rock people! On Saturday the 28th of January, the Inn Suites Show officially opened and I was ready. I had three display cases in my room this year, all six footers (2 m), and a six foot table (2 m) with three shelves, and everything was filled to bursting with goodies. My primary material is my Rat's Nest heulandite and mordenite specimens. These range in size from thumbnails to specimens weighing up to nearly 50 pounds (22 kg). This year I offered some of the finest pieces we've yet mined and most were gobbled up by enthusiasts. Heck, we even had another feeding frenzy where one customer bought over 500 specimens. What a fun day that was! Our best sales seemed to again reflect specimens priced in the $15 to $150 range and I felt quite fortunate that we had a good selection available at this level. Additionally, there were some truly killer cabinet specimens displaying large, extremely lustrous crystals with great color and while more expensive, these additionally inspired sales. Among our valued customers this year, we were fortunate to add three more Museums to our list of institutions; first to visit was the Royal Ontario Museum of Toronto, Ontario, Canada ( http://www.rom.on.ca/ ). Next was the National Museum of Natural Science, Taichung, Taiwan, Republic of China ( http://www.nmns.edu.tw/eng_version.html ). And picking my favorite specimen of the three, the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A. ( http://www.nhm.org/ ). We feel quite honored to have these institutions as members of a growing fellowship of Rat's Nest specimen caretakers. Specimens from our other claim, the Summer Storm, of quartz after apophyllite pseudomorphs were a bit more challenged for sales as compared to their neighbors over at the Rat's Nest. Lacking the beautiful color of the heulandites, the pseudomorphs quite commonly display a grayish color. Nonetheless, their apophyllite crystal form is a marvel to behold so faithfully replaced now by quartz. Specimens varied from thumbnail sized $10 specimens up to monster pieces weighing over 20 pounds (9 kg) and costing just a wee bit more with crystal lengths varying from 1/2 inch (13 mm) to 3 inches (76 mm). Personally, I love these things, others just seem a bit more reluctant to take the plunge. Ah well, I'm still going back and I'm still going to look for more, I think they're great. Complimenting these specimens, I had some wonderful world materials to offer. Entirely filling one six foot (2 m) display case, was a selection of predominantly Arizona material which included a large grouping of small cabinet Morenci azurite and malachite specimens, a dioptase additionally from Morenci, and another associated with wulfenite from Tiger. There were several cuprite coated copper crystals from both Ray and Bisbee, wulfenites from the Red Cloud Mine, and a Bisbee azurite plate nearly a foot across covered in a rolling carpet of electric blue crystals. Additionally, there was a wonderful Swiss pink fluorite and smoky quartz combination specimen, a killer Pakistani combo of aquamarine, schorl and quartz, a large loose twinned deep green Brazilian chrysoberyl, and a fine selection of Utah azurites among other treasures. In another case, I shared another small group of world specimens, some of these were truly exceptional in every sense. I had several Tsumeb azurites here including one phenomenal group of prismatic parallel growing terminated crystals exceptionally to 3 inches (76 mm), beyond a doubt, this was the rock of the room! Add to this an array of the yummy; a large bright orange scheelite from Xuebaoding perched on tabular aquamarine crystals magnificently; a killer lone prismatic free standing azurite to 1 1/2 inches (38 mm) set perfectly in a cove of velvet malachite from Morocco, also from Morocco, a stellar group of bright gemmy yellow anglesites on matrix; a spectacular Pakistani spessartine on muscovite plate with two glorious perfect 1 inch (25 mm) crystals; a great Siberian blue cubic fluorite crystal perched on smoky quartz and on and on. It was a beautiful room, even if it was mine and I wish you all could have been there to see it. Around the show, and among all the other shows spread about town was a wonderful plethora of treasures, unfortunately for me, I hardly had the chance to see any of them. If I'm away from the room, simple as that, I'm away from the room and my expenses begin adding up again. Ah well, a person's got to breathe and so on the rare occasion I would close the door and stretch my legs rambling about, stopping in for a quick look and a quicker hello before moving on. For me, one of the most spectacular things I saw came from the room of John Seibel (IS #172). John had a great American classic in a Centerville, Virginia prehnite and apophyllite specimen which was wonderfully large at approximately 8 x 8 x 8 inches (20 x 20 x 20 cm). The matrix was covered with soft green prehnite crystals upon which were perched several soft pinky-white colored apophyllite rosettes to just over an inch (2.5 cm). It came with a stack of old labels, one which declared the specimen as being formerly part of the Harvard collection. A great rock and one which I really enjoyed seeing. Another enjoyable specimen was seen in the room of Niugini Resources (IS #320). Here Neal Kinnane from Hawker, Australia, had a great selection of crocoites among which were a small group of awesome specimens, mostly miniatures, comprised of upthrusting forest- like 2 inch (5 cm) crystals of a typical brilliant orange color, but with bright, deep red terminations. Beautiful things. Another awesome thing seen were the opals of Glen Hodson of Rainbow Ridge Opal Mine, Nevada (IS # 138). Glen had several limb sections with varying degrees of precious opal which were quite nice, but for me, it was the solid large chunks of spectacular fire opal immersed within their plastic water filled containers that absolutely screamed! These things were surreal star fields of flashing color. I'd seen opal before, but never pieces of this size and quality. They were enchanting magical things to see. Among Gloria's favorites (that's right, Gloria was able to come down for a portion of the show this year, but more on that later) was a sharp green phantomed red/pink fluorite on a sparse piece of matrix from Chamonix, France seen in the room of Kevin Dixon of Alpine Minerals (IS #173). This specimen sat supremely among a group of approximately two dozen individuals, all bearing the same beautiful color and sharpness of form, and all lacking the phantom which sat this specimen so uniquely apart. For me, and there were so many great pieces in this room (a room shared by Scott Wallace of Majestic Minerals), the specimen that really talked to me was a terrific large slab of matrix upon which were perched two big bright quartz crystals, both completely a' flame and a' blaze with thick brilliant red accicular swarms of rutile. The terminations of these transparent quartz crystals were additionally colored by green chlorite inclusions. A neat specimen from somewhere in mysterious mineral rich Pakistan. Gloria also enjoyed many of the killer morganites seen in Kevin and Scott's room, and in the stocks of other dealers both at the Inn Suites and at the Westward Look Resort Show ( http://www.westwardminerals.com/ ) which we also visited. Additionally, there were several spectacular aquamarines spread about which also caught her eye and "wooed her" as she says. Thank goodness for these breaks. Sometimes I feel like I'm going crazy, with all the mind blowing things in town to see, with all the many and varied shows spread about, I only get to see such a small part of the spectacle that is Tucson each year. Ah well, I should be more thankful and humble, at least I get to come to Tucson, and with that realization echoing in my head, I once again set my steps back towards the room, after all, the show must go on. And for me it did, with everything just rolling along as perfect as one could wish for. And then, Gloria arrived in town and things just got better! But, before that and just prior to her arriving, I'd finally gotten my first full night's sleep since leaving Vancouver, Washington days and days before. It felt great waking up that morning finally fully refreshed, I may have passed out from exhaustion the night before, but I was wide awake now and by golly it was a great day! With me propelled with enthusiasm, I had a spectacular day of sales, which only helped to set the stage for Gloria's arrival. Add to this some good times shared with friends and it just kept getting better and better. As if to illustrate the point, our Tucson, McRocks friend Junesse stopped by for a visit. McRocks is a website out of North Carolina run by a great guy named Mike Streeter, on his website is a message board ( http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/mcrocks ) where folks get together and talk rocks. Junesse and I had met through this list and this is the second year she'd stopped to visit here in her home town. This time Junesse brought a monster collection of treasures to show, goodies found since last we'd met. She had some terrific prizes and we had a great time yakking it up. Before leaving, Junesse who is so wonderfully thoughtful, presented me with several presents. For me, fresh fruit (thank you!) and for Gloria, a wonderful cut and polished Madagascar ammonite in an exquisite wire wrapped setting which she'd personally created. It was beautiful. Regarding wire wrapping, one of my neighbors, Mark Case of Mark Case Wire Art Jewelry ( http://members.aol.com/cutstones/index.html ) (IS # 188), really put together a neat scenario when visiting the room one afternoon. He was looking at the heulandites and made the offer to wrap one if I was interested in letting him try. What the heck I thought, why not. I selected a small flatish plate of soft pink heulandites and gave this to him, later that day Mark came back with the piece wrapped and it was just a gorgeous thing. I was really quite taken with how terrific it looked and placed it on the shelf among my heulandite specimens. Mark soon thereafter wrapped another specimen as a lady made her selection with this very scenario in mind. Mark is a great guy with a kind and generous spirit, it was a joy to share this Tucson with him. Additionally sharing the experience with both Mark and I was Mark's partner in crime (i.e. sharing the room), Herschel Ward. Herschel was working with his folks running their business, C.B. Ward Fluorescent Minerals. He was great, sharing his enthusiasm and extensive knowledge of fluorescence with me, and I very much enjoyed the opportunity to meet and get to know him. Another neighbor I enjoyed getting to know was my new friend Zeb Gul of Zeb Mineralien (IS #187). Zeb had his hands full with his main mineral shipment lost somewhere in Atlanta, Georgia. First the paperwork was incorrectly filled out by United Airline agents which held up the shipment, then an ice storm hit Atlanta and his shipment became lost in an ever-growing mountain of piling up freight. Together he and I made innumerable calls to United representatives trying to resolve this crisis. First we were told it would ship tomorrow, then that it would ship the next day. Then it was lost. Then it was found and it would ship. Then it was lost again, and lost it remained for days and days on end. I've got to admit, Zeb is one cool cat, I'd have been sweating bullets, but Zeb, Zeb was calm, at least outwardly, and after all, what else could he do? The days rotated by and just when all seemed lost, literally, Zeb's shipment arrived, safe and secure. It may have been mere days to the end of the show, but at least his specimens were safe. Zeb's show was infinitely better after this! And like Zeb, when my precious shipment, my Gloria, finally arrived, my show became infinitely better too. I met her at the airport, surprising her as she came down the ramp heading towards the luggage carousels. We'd both more or less planned on her catching a cab, but from her illuminating smile, I could tell I'd made a great decision. It was Saturday the 5th of February. It's been several years since Gloria's last visit to Tucson, I remember that last trip very well, it had snowed! This year the weather wasn't quite so cold. We stopped for lunch before heading back and just enjoyed each others company a bit before the adventure began again. Just relaxing and eating lunch, no rush, rush, rush... it was really nice. But eventually it was time to jump back into the fire and we headed back to the Inn Suites. There, I think it was safe to say she was impressed. When last she was in Tucson, back in 2001, I was running a room for Peter Megaw over at the Executive Inn. That had been a great experience, but now, this year it was our room. It was a nice change and as she looked around after putting her bags away, I could see that she liked what she saw. This was a good thing as this would be her home for the duration of her stay. And then, almost like a curse of yesteryear, Gloria's migraines started up soon thereafter, and Hell came to Tucson. Back in 2001, on her last visit, she was hit with a hardcore bout of headaches which lasted for a straight 2 1/2 days. This time her migraines lasted for approximately the same duration, this time coming in waves over a several day period. This is as intense as it gets for me here in Tucson. With the room set-up there are no beds to lie on, there's no place to escape. What a horror. Thank goodness we had the truck, there I was able to set up a bed in the back where she was able to escape to, to lie down. Thankfully the headaches did not last the entire time and when they finally did subside, I sent her out, just to get away. She used one of these quiet periods to visit the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum ( http://www.desertmuseum.org/ ). She had a wonderful time and I think it really did her good. As a highlight soon thereafter, we were both able to attend a terrific dinner with friends where we closed down the restaurant. There were over 20 of us and we sure had a great time, too bad we can only manage these get-togethers once a year. Such is the bittersweet experience that is Tucson. As the evening waned, Gloria's headache again reared its ugly head, we were the first to leave and soon, back at the room, I pulled out the bed, made it and then turned down the lights so she could relax and hopefully kick this agony before its stranglehold became too strong. Imitrex, a prescription drug, occasionally works to control her headaches and my fingers were crossed it would help this time too. The next morning, with the headache still skulking in the shadows, we headed off for a chiropractor's appointment which we'd set up the day before. After the appointment things steadily improved. This was good, as it was time for me to shift everything up a notch. With Gloria at the show this year, we'd decided to place two displays into the Main Show, the big culminating show of Tucson, the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society's Club Show at the Tucson Convention Center ( http://www.tgms.org/2005show.htm ). This was a first for us and I can't honestly think of a time where I was more nervous. I mean this is the BIG ONE, this is the Main Event. Enthusiasts come from all over the world to attend this show, to see the displays put in by some of the world's finest institutions and private collectors and among them was little ol' John and Gloria. Man, was I nervous! I'd had to make risers for the two cases we'd promised to display, one for the Rat's Nest and the other for the Summer Storm, and the first big hurtle to cross would be finding out if both sets fit. Thankfully, this was the case and our dark green liners and props slipped in perfectly. Next came the actual minerals themselves. I began setting up for the Summer Storm case first only to be stopped dead as I noticed that the case lacked any type of additional supports as I'd requested so as to accommodate the 147 pound (67 kg) specimen which centerpieced the display. As TGMS folks worked out the logistics of this, I began setting up my Rat's Nest display. This went very well and in no time I had everything out and set in its place. As I did this, the show personnel competently dealt with my situation and soon thereafter I was off, free to complete my set-up. The last step of the Rat's Nest case was to place my labels, clean the glass and then slip the glass into place and lock the case. I did exactly this and then set up the Summer Storm case liners and props, I then placed the specimens, next came the labels and the two 8 x 10 inch (20 x 25 cm) mining action photographs which I'd brought to accompany the display, I then cleaned the glass and slipped it into position where it was secured. With my packing boxes and wrapping all stowed away under the table, behind the hanging clothes, I stood back to admire my first two displays of the Tucson Show and they looked great. I was really happy, everything fit perfectly and with this high keeping me a foot or two off the ground, I soon headed back to the Inn Suites to give Gloria a break and jump right back into things. This all happened during the afternoon of Wednesday the 9th of February. That next day, we ate breakfast and then headed over to the TGMS Show. There I found that one of my labels and one of my specimens had fallen over in our displays. In a panic again, I rushed to the show personnel and soon had the case open and the problems fixed. With this little burp behind me, everything else went great. We had a ton of comments on our display and everything was just perfect. After this, we just walked around and enjoyed the show. Of the displays, there were several that were just excessively outstanding. From a field collector's point of view, if not from a mineral collector's in general, the display featuring the newly found North Carolina emerald specimen, one of the finest known matrix emeralds from any known locality was truly exceptional, to the aquamarine and smoky quartz, feldspar combination specimens found on Mount Antero in Colorado, to the killer big tourmalines fresh from Mount Mica in Maine, yes indeed, the displays, as always, were just right over the top. As a special exhibit favorite of ours, Bill Larson and Gene Meieren collaborated to present a 12 case display featuring the Birthstone minerals. Each case was filled with spectacular things, garnets for January and amethysts for February, killer aquamarines for March, diamond crystals for April and glorious emeralds for May, and on and on through each of the twelve months. This was a truly wonderful exhibit and from the comments of those around us, I know we weren't alone in our appreciation of these fine theme cases. Several individuals placed specimens from their collections into large special displays and of those, three really stand out in my memory; Dave Wilbur's mind numbing display of Condor agates from Argentina featuring endless exquisitely patterned and colored examples of this rare and prized semi-precious gem; Irv Brown's incredible display of specimens from his worldwide collection was enough to cause your heart to skip a beat, it was truly so very fine; and finally, following the theme of the show itself, Steve and Clara Smale offered up a stellar gathering of Chinese minerals where example after stunning example spectacularly declared to all that China is a sleeping giant no longer, truly the sleeper has awakened! A special thanks to all those who brought displays to this year's show. As the Main Show continued in full force, our show at the Inn Suites was coming to its official end, this happened on Saturday, the 11th. Irregardless of this, Gloria and I kept our room open and planned to do so until tomorrow, at which time we'd start to tear down. But for now, our door was open. On Sunday, we awoke and began a busy hectic day, the cases would need to be cleared of those specimens remaining unsold and this entailed wrapping and packing. Rather than take the room over, we did this methodically and without any rush. Keeping the door open, we even managed a last minute sale. But for the most part, things were quiet. People were packing and many had already gone. Soon the moving trucks would start to arrive and things would get busy. Before that happened, Gloria and I packed up and were soon on the road heading to the airport for her flight home. It would only be a few days until next we'd see each other again, nonetheless, it didn't make the parting any easier. With her gone, with nothing else to do, I went back to the Convention Center, this time for the last time as the show was ending today. I was in serious countdown mode. When the show finally closed, I'd already said my good-byes to most of my friends and with the barriers in place and the display cases unlocked, I began breaking down my displays and packing them away. Next I procured a cart from TGMS personnel and was soon loaded and on my way out the door to the truck. With everything safely loaded, I returned the cart and then at the truck, I breathed a deep sigh of relief before starting the engine and driving away. It'd been a great show, but what a nervous time it'd been. Back at the Inn Suites, the parking lot had lost most of its cars and the room felt lonely with Gloria gone. The place was emptying quickly and as I worked to pack the remainder of my stuff, my mind kind of rolled itself over the crest of the hill and I realized that I'd survived my first solo Tucson. What an experience, a real trial by fire, but we'd come out on the other side. Our contract was turned in for 2006, and come tomorrow morning, the guys from Tucson Store Fixtures would come by to pick up the cases. With this done I'll begin reassembling the room, bringing it back to its pre- show condition. After that, with everything done, with everything packed, I'll take one hot second to dwell on my experiences this year, all that's happened, and then like a shot, I'll fly for home. Two and a half days later that's exactly where I ended up. Since then I've rested, I've returned from my numbed post-Tucson condition and I've begun to function in the real world again. What a time I'd had, the memories are thick about me. And so as I write, it's great to be home, though even now I'm preparing for next year's Tucson, a person's never too prepared for the Big Show! Before I go, there's one last thing I'd like to share. We had friends watching our room on several occasions who may have been new faces to some of you. As I'm sure you'll agree, they were great people. They shared so much of themselves, allowing Gloria and I the cherished luxury that was "free time". Steve and Carol Maslansky, words do not express our appreciation. Thank you! See you next year everyone. Be safe and all the very best, John PS As a final little hurrah, please consider looking at the following Tucson Show Report links we've found in cruising the net which, in addition to Scott's link above, mention our show this year. These reports come with pictures too! Thanks everyone, take care, see ya! http://www.gamineral.org/t04-innsuites.html http://www.webmineralshop.com/articoli/tucson05/tucson2005_30.htm http://www.thefossilgeode.com/tucsonshow.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Mar 6 16:10:47 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 6 16:11:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report References: <422B6BF2.9080405@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <001d01c522aa$1d63ed80$6601a8c0@mchsi.com> What can anyone say..but.....WOW! Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Drizzle" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report > 3/6/2005 > > 2005 Tucson Show Report > > By John Cornish > j&gcornish@tenforward.com > > > Hey, this is great. Do you have a yen for adventure? Do you like the > thrill of the extreme? You do! All right, boy do I have a challenge for > you! It's a toughie though. Here your grit will be tested, your mettle; > the quality of your spirit and your courage, will be weighed. It's a 24- > 7 romp that'll take your breath away. This little marathon, this little > adventure race will take you 27 days to complete and will cover 3959 > miles (6446 km)... are you still game? If so, read on dear friend, this > is my 2005 Tucson Show Report! > > See you next year everyone. Be safe and all the very best, > > John > > PS As a final little hurrah, please consider looking at the following > Tucson Show Report links we've found in cruising the net which, in > addition to Scott's link above, mention our show this year. These > reports come with pictures too! Thanks everyone, take care, see ya! > > > http://www.gamineral.org/t04-innsuites.html > > http://www.webmineralshop.com/articoli/tucson05/tucson2005_30.htm > > http://www.thefossilgeode.com/tucsonshow.htm > > From gbrown at xmn.com Sun Mar 6 19:07:13 2005 From: gbrown at xmn.com (gary brown) Date: Sun Mar 6 19:07:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Better Than Candy Message-ID: The Power Of Rocks! I've been feeding my sweetie boxes of tumbled agates for the last couple of months that she gives away in her 4th grade class. An AMAZING thing has happened. when given a choice between a ROCK and a HUNK OF CANDY as a treat or reward, they choose, you guessed it. A Rock! And, best yet, they just don't say "thanks" (which they do!), they say "What KIND of rock is this??? Where is it from???" Oh, the joy of setting these little munchkins off on a life of hanging around in muddy pits, trading specimens with perfect strangers, and being part of one the best hobbies in the world! Thanks to all the folks on the list who've sent me a "little extra" when I've picked up a nice specimen from them. --but-- The larder is starting to run down. Does anyone have some bags of tumbling rough they'd like to donate to the Tumbling Fund for Hooking Fourth Graders on Rocks? I'll gladly pay postage (or toss out a copy of my 'ol MasMils/PLUS mine location disk ). If you can help. give me a yell, eh? Regards, Gary --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hptdesigns at charter.net Sun Mar 6 23:04:35 2005 From: hptdesigns at charter.net (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Mar 6 23:03:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Washington and Lee In-Reply-To: <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <3rr04g$ia23j3@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net> Just got back from a "Virginia Tour of Universities" with my daughter and thought the list might be interested to know that if you are ever in western Virginia, near Lexington, make sure to check out Washington and Lee University. It was orginally endowed by George and after the Civil War is where General Lee "retired" as head of the school until his death. Anyway, I asked about the geology department (although my daughter is of course not interested in it) and wondered if had any cases of rocks on display. Since it was Saturday, only one student in the building--but oh my, did they have some fine rocks. I forget the guy's name who donated them, but oh my, I have never seen Centreville prehenites like those. Almost everything was first class. Did not have my digital camera with me, just my old Nikon with no tripod or flash and slow film, so am sure pics will not come out, but oh my, what a nice four cabinets of specimens--especially those from VA. Incredible turquoise crystals, vivianite from Richmond, etc. One of best platternite specimens I have ever seen although have not seen many. Since my daughter and wife were tugging at me to get on the move, did not take notes--but intend to go back. The one student there was very nice and showed me around the department but did not really have an appreciation for what was in the cases. He was interested in faults, and bedding, and earthquakes, --all that "boring stuff". When traveling through Blue Ridge Mountains, put this on your places to go. Some darn good restaurants there. And of course Stonewall Jackson. If one had the money to go there and smart enough to get or could get a scholarship--looks like a wonderful place to go. Some rich alumnus has endowed the geology department well, and each summer the students go all over the world to study--with no additional cost to them. Going to Montana this summer, went to Australia, NZ, etc. in other years. Wish I was young and about to go into college. Tommy Armstrong "Creativity is the marvelous capacity to grasp distinct realities and draw a spark from their juxtaposition." Max Ernst From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Mon Mar 7 06:01:58 2005 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 7 06:02:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Draft Rockhounds Survey (draft) Message-ID: <1dc.382e82fe.2f5db8d6@aol.com> I would fall into the 2/3'rds bought..1/3rd collected category. When living in NJ..and not knowing much about collecting and where to go..my main place at the time was the quarry in Paterson, getting weekend permissions from the "manager" to come in with my husband. We did drive around Pa., "looking" for likely spots, but ran into "no trespassing" signs or being told you can't collect on state/gov't property. Soooooo..my only option other than the quarry for awhile was to buy my prizes at shows. Heck, one day I was in Sandy Hook State Park (ssshhh), and was sitting on the rock wall while my husband fished, and noticed "minerals" in the rocks making up the "wall". On closer inspection I found they were garnets, weathered and crumbly, but garnets. I went to the van, picked out some digging equipment..small knife..etc. and surreptiously started digging them out of the rocks. I still have a small plastic box with them in it, my "found" prizes from Sandy Hook! And of course I dug at the amber pit in Sayreville N.J.!!!!!! I still have jars of amber we collected, including one very nice and fairly large chunk of cognac colored amber, roughly 2"s x 3/4". Now that I'm in NC, I'm really looking forward to exploring and finding some minerals. Jackie In a message dated 3/6/05 12:10:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, pjmodreski@worldnet.att.net writes: going to someone's house to see their collection, and having them bring out some boxes, and show off some... certain number of very fine specimens, something between 30 and 100 specimens, and saying, "THAT" is my collection, period, this and nothing more. Wow, what self-control! Of course, we are talking specimens mostly purchased, and mostly quite expensive... different collectors have vastly different philosophies what "collecting" means to them, and just what type of enjoyment they get from it. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From stu at arcrystalmine.com Mon Mar 7 09:07:43 2005 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (stu@arcrystalmine.com) Date: Mon Mar 7 09:07:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> I've had several request to crush broken crystals into small pieces and even powder. Does anyone know where I can get this done or what equipment might be available to do it? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Mar 7 09:17:29 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 7 09:17:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal In-Reply-To: <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: Hi Stuart, an agate mortar or a steel mortar would do the job. Best you work through a hole in a wet cloth that you put over the mortar. That way all the pieces stay inside the mortar. Also best you wear goggles to protect eyes. If you want to crush quartz or harder stuff, you'd have to use an enclosed steel mortar and hammer. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens stu@arcrystalmine.com Verzonden: maandag 7 maart 2005 18:08 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal I've had several request to crush broken crystals into small pieces and even powder. Does anyone know where I can get this done or what equipment might be available to do it? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bg at his.com Mon Mar 7 13:44:48 2005 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Mar 7 13:44:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] billie wright Message-ID: <210303A6-8F52-11D9-A9E0-000A95A8FEB6@his.com> if anyone has the correct e-mail for billie wright will you please contact me personally? thanks, cathy gaber From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Mar 7 13:59:37 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Mar 7 16:00:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report References: <422B6BF2.9080405@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <001301c52360$fbebe2e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> John, Thanks for the great write-up on Tucson! I'm glad that, "For me, one of the most spectacular things I saw came from the room of John Seibel..." I had to do a double-take, being John Siebel and all. I was pretty sure I was in Chicago at the time! Maybe next year we can meet (meat?) at Lil' Abner's. Regards - The other John Santa, Idaho (Formerly from Vancouver, WA) From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Mar 7 17:17:27 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 7 17:14:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> Check with your local aggregates company, commercial cement supplier, road construction/paving company, or commercial building equipment supplier. One of them probably has a commercial rock crusher you could rent to get tons of rough down to pea size gravel (and a lot of dust/sand you could screen out). Equipment to take the pea gravel to dust/sand might be a bit harder to find, but I'de start at the same places. Kreigh stu@arcrystalmine.com wrote: > > I've had several request to crush broken crystals into small pieces and even > powder. Does anyone know where I can get this done or what equipment might > be available to do it? > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Mon Mar 7 17:50:17 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Mar 7 17:50:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1><422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> WHY? Just curious. > > stu@arcrystalmine.com wrote: >> >> I've had several request to crush broken crystals into small pieces and >> even >> powder. Does anyone know where I can get this done or what equipment >> might >> be available to do it? >> >> With appreciation & gratitude, >> Stuart Schmitt >> Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Mar 7 19:01:47 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:01:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1><422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> <005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> I suspect its a New Age/Crystals thing. What is funny is that they could go to their local swimming pool supply store and buy bags of graded pure quartz sand for pool filters. Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > WHY? Just curious. > > > > stu@arcrystalmine.com wrote: > >> > >> I've had several request to crush broken crystals into small pieces and > >> even > >> powder. Does anyone know where I can get this done or what equipment > >> might > >> be available to do it? > >> > >> With appreciation & gratitude, > >> Stuart Schmitt > >> Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 19:20:10 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Mar 7 19:20:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Survey Link (not live) In-Reply-To: <200503062046.j26Kk7Nm027645@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050308032010.49534.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings all, Survey update and question: I'm building the survey tonite. Hope to have it done soon. Below is the link to the survey for those who want to put it in their newsletters. It will be live around Sunday (it won't be accessible until I release it). Need opinion: Kreigh suggested asking about value of collection. Should question be about purchase value or replacement value? Thoughts? Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 Survey period: March 14 - April 15 tangojuli aka tina __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From stu at arcrystalmine.com Tue Mar 8 05:33:54 2005 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (stu@arcrystalmine.com) Date: Tue Mar 8 05:33:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1><422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net><006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART><422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net><005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> I was told the powdered quartz was used as an art supply in paints and as a rub for finishing wood products. Does any one know if they make a small scale hammer mill? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Glenn Wimpee" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal >I suspect its a New Age/Crystals thing. > > What is funny is that they could go to their local swimming pool supply > store and buy bags of graded pure quartz sand for pool filters. > > Kreigh > > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: >> >> WHY? Just curious. >> > >> > stu@arcrystalmine.com wrote: >> >> >> >> I've had several request to crush broken crystals into small pieces >> >> and >> >> even >> >> powder. Does anyone know where I can get this done or what equipment >> >> might >> >> be available to do it? >> >> >> >> With appreciation & gratitude, >> >> Stuart Schmitt >> >> Sweet Surrender Crystal Mine >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From morningstar at att.net Tue Mar 8 05:42:21 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Tue Mar 8 05:42:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal Message-ID: <030820051342.29847.422DABBD000812160000749721602807419D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Hi, Crushing, grinding, and milling equipment is available and is used by geologists and labs all the time. Such equipment is sold by Miners Incorporated, McCrone Associates, and SPEX CertiPrep. The issues are really two-fold: 1) How much do you need to crush and powder? 2) How much are you willing to spend? This equipment becomes very expensive, especially if you want the material ground to calibrated mesh sizes. Don From edben at prodigy.net Tue Mar 8 06:56:35 2005 From: edben at prodigy.net (edben) Date: Tue Mar 8 06:56:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1><422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net><006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART><422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net><005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> Message-ID: <002101c523ef$0787bfa0$9c059f04@benjamin> I haven't heard anyone mention the use of a "ball mill." This is simply a much enlarged and beefed up "tumbler." Paul O. Abbe, was the name of the company that built these for laboratory use during my younger years in the Laboratory Supply Industry (50 years or so ago). I would have to believe that similar mills are still used in today's laboratories. Check with your friendly neighborhood chemist. Maybe you could get a peek at his catalog file. Now, if you want really large scale, there's nothing like a good taconite plant. The room-sized mills that are used to reduce taconite to powder would handle the output of any quarry! With the down-sizing of the American Iron Industry, do you suppose that any of these mills might be available on the surplus market? But I'm sure one of those monsters wouldn't come cheap! But, boy, would they make lots of powdered quartz for you! Ed Benjamin ( A Rock Club Editor from unrocky southwestern Michigan) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Mar 8 07:55:43 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Mar 8 07:55:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report In-Reply-To: <001301c52360$fbebe2e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> References: <422B6BF2.9080405@tenforward.com> <001301c52360$fbebe2e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <422DCAFF.8060308@tenforward.com> Hi John and Everyone, Thanks for writing everyone, I appreciate your taking the time. Regarding Lil A's, I know I'll be there! Take care and all the very best, John John Siebel wrote: >John, > >Thanks for the great write-up on Tucson! I'm glad that, "For me, one of the >most spectacular things I saw came from the room of John Seibel..." I had to >do a double-take, being John Siebel and all. I was pretty sure I was in >Chicago at the time! Maybe next year we can meet (meat?) at Lil' Abner's. > >Regards - The other John >Santa, Idaho >(Formerly from Vancouver, WA) > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 8 15:15:49 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 8 15:13:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com><000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1><422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net><006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART><422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net><005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee><422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> <002101c523ef$0787bfa0$9c059f04@benjamin> Message-ID: <422E3191.5D03@Tomaszewski.net> http://www.sabko.com/product6.htm edben wrote: > > I haven't heard anyone mention the use of a "ball mill." This is simply a > much enlarged and beefed up "tumbler." Paul O. Abbe, was the name of the > company that built these for laboratory use during my younger years in the > Laboratory Supply Industry (50 years or so ago). I would have to believe > that similar mills are still used in today's laboratories. Check with your > friendly neighborhood chemist. Maybe you could get a peek at his catalog > file. > > Now, if you want really large scale, there's nothing like a good taconite > plant. The room-sized mills that are used to reduce taconite to powder > would handle the output of any quarry! With the down-sizing of the American > Iron Industry, do you suppose that any of these mills might be available on > the surplus market? But I'm sure one of those monsters wouldn't come cheap! > But, boy, would they make lots of powdered quartz for you! > > Ed Benjamin ( A Rock Club Editor from unrocky southwestern Michigan) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 17:37:33 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 8 17:37:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal In-Reply-To: <422E3191.5D03@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> <005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> <002101c523ef$0787bfa0$9c059f04@benjamin> <422E3191.5D03@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: You can still buy lab size ball mills (pulverizers) and coal fired powerplants still use very large pulverizers. Altho if our plant is any indication plants are moving to a different type that is more like a roller mill. Our three two story office sized ball mills were cut up using plasma torches (very impressive) and the chunks hauled off to the scrap yard. Bryan On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:15:49 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > http://www.sabko.com/product6.htm > > edben wrote: > > > > I haven't heard anyone mention the use of a "ball mill." This is simply a > > much enlarged and beefed up "tumbler." Paul O. Abbe, was the name of the > > company that built these for laboratory use during my younger years in the > > Laboratory Supply Industry (50 years or so ago). I would have to believe > > that similar mills are still used in today's laboratories. Check with your > > friendly neighborhood chemist. Maybe you could get a peek at his catalog > > file. > > > > Now, if you want really large scale, there's nothing like a good taconite > > plant. The room-sized mills that are used to reduce taconite to powder > > would handle the output of any quarry! With the down-sizing of the American > > Iron Industry, do you suppose that any of these mills might be available on > > the surplus market? But I'm sure one of those monsters wouldn't come cheap! > > But, boy, would they make lots of powdered quartz for you! > > > > Ed Benjamin ( A Rock Club Editor from unrocky southwestern Michigan) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Tue Mar 8 18:16:56 2005 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Tue Mar 8 18:16:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mount St. Helen's update Message-ID: Hey kids, The mountain is again restless today, my daughter called me a while ago asking if she blew again, she could see the cloud from softball practice here in Portland. Not much on the news yet, bummer, they were talking about re-opening Johnson Ridge Observatory to help accomondate the crush of people they are expecting in May for the anninversay! http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/ Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon   --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From tim at orerockon.com Tue Mar 8 20:11:33 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 8 20:11:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mount St. Helen's update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050308200920.0242c580@mail.spiritone.com> It was on channel 8 at 6:30, not much said about it, other than wow lol. Lotsa ash and they had a shot of lava in cracks in the dome around 6:45. They are blabbing about it right now on the cable version of 8, I tuned it out :) At 06:16 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote: >Hey kids, >The mountain is again restless today, my daughter called me a while ago >asking if she blew again, she could see the cloud from softball practice >here in Portland. > >Not much on the news yet, bummer, they were talking about re-opening >Johnson Ridge Observatory to help accomondate the crush of people they are >expecting in May for the anninversay! > > > > >http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/ > > > >Dawn Fredricks >Portland Oregon Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 8 20:15:09 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 8 20:15:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St HelensErupts Message-ID: <422E784B.3280@Tomaszewski.net> Mt. St. Helens erupted with a six mile plume at 5:20 pm (local time). http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/08/mount.saint.helens/ Just passing on news via a private email from a friend in the area. Kreigh From afox at drizzle.com Tue Mar 8 20:42:33 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Tue Mar 8 20:42:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mount St. Helen's update In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050308200920.0242c580@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Speaking from the standpoint of a geologist (and a one-time igneous petrologist), the rapid growth of Mt. St. Helens is nothing short of incredible. We used to think in terms of thousands of years to replace these volcanoes when they finally meet their ends. Now, we're thinking hundreds of years; an order of magnitude less! It's truly an eye-opener... a. > It was on channel 8 at 6:30, not much said about it, other than wow lol. > Lotsa ash and they had a shot of lava in cracks in the dome around 6:45. > They are blabbing about it right now on the cable version of 8, I tuned it > out :) > > At 06:16 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote: > > >Hey kids, > >The mountain is again restless today, my daughter called me a while ago > >asking if she blew again, she could see the cloud from softball practice > >here in Portland. > > > >Not much on the news yet, bummer, they were talking about re-opening > >Johnson Ridge Observatory to help accomondate the crush of people they are > >expecting in May for the anninversay! > > > > > > > > > >http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/ > > > > > > > >Dawn Fredricks > >Portland Oregon > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From celticmagick2000 at juno.com Wed Mar 9 03:29:55 2005 From: celticmagick2000 at juno.com (rose l shaw) Date: Wed Mar 9 03:33:05 2005 Subject: Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal Message-ID: <20050309.032958.-212357.0.celticmagick2000@juno.com> If you are looking to powder a small amunt of quartz, I have a small table mounted food mill that I use for grinding small pieces into powder to use as clay grit. It would be much cheaper then any rock related equipment. The mill looks like one of the meat grinders that mounts onto the side of a table or work bench with a screw clamp. I have produced 2 quarts of powder at a time with just a little effort. You can adjust the wing nut on the shaft to get a fine or course powder. You may have to look on-line for one, I got mine from a yard sale for $3. I can send you a picture if you need more information. Rose From Rewhittemo at aol.com Wed Mar 9 06:15:30 2005 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 9 06:15:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St HelensErupts Message-ID: <7b.40a47104.2f605f02@aol.com> The Ring of Fire sure has been active lately. Last Sunday there was subduction along the Oregon coast similar to that which happened Dec. 26, 2004. This activity created a "swarm" of earthquakes. Anne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Wed Mar 9 06:58:05 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Wed Mar 9 06:58:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society 37th Annual Show Message-ID: <422F0EFD.4000104@ptd.net> NOW is the time to start making plans to attend the...... Berks Mineralogical Society 37th Annual "World of Gems and Minerals" Jewelry, Bead, Mineral and Fossil Show May 14 & 15 10-4 Leesport Farmers Market Banquet Hall Rt 61 Leesport, Pa. 19533 8 miles south of Rt I-78 and 6 miles north of Reading Pa. New this year will be a tailgating section on SATURDAY ONLY $10 table bring own chairs, under cover but not indoors. For Further info PLEASE contact Diane Gehret 1238 Rebers Bridge Road Leesport, Pa. 19533 berksminer@aol.com 610-378-0978 Website owners!!! PLEASE feel free to post this info on your website... this year looks like it is shaping up to be a good one !! the clubs website is http://www.berksmineralsociety.com From libawc at emory.edu Wed Mar 9 07:08:06 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Mar 9 07:08:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St HelensErupts In-Reply-To: <422E784B.3280@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <006601c524b9$cc82a1b0$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Does anyone on this list how the surrounding area looks around Mt.Saint Helens? Have the trees, grasses, etc. come back? Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:15 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St HelensErupts Mt. St. Helens erupted with a six mile plume at 5:20 pm (local time). http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/08/mount.saint.helens/ Just passing on news via a private email from a friend in the area. Kreigh _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From afox at drizzle.com Wed Mar 9 07:33:27 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Wed Mar 9 07:33:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens biosphere recovery Message-ID: In response to someone's post (sorry, I deleted the original by accident): http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Recovery/research_projects.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/mountsthelens/rege10.shtml http://whyfiles.org/031volcano/6.html http://biology.usgs.gov/s+t/SNT/noframe/np105r.htm http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/recovery.asp Note: the last link is a creationist website, but some of the facts regarding the die offs and areas affected are legitimate. Probably more information than you wanted....:-) a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From libawc at emory.edu Wed Mar 9 08:19:11 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Mar 9 08:19:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens biosphere recovery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c524c3$ba47af90$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Aaron: Wow! Thanks for the info on Mt.St.Helen's recovery. Great info. I'm the one who asked, Anita Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Fox Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:33 AM To: Rockhounds mailing list Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. St. Helens biosphere recovery In response to someone's post (sorry, I deleted the original by accident): http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Recovery/research_projects.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/mountsthelens/rege10.shtml http://whyfiles.org/031volcano/6.html http://biology.usgs.gov/s+t/SNT/noframe/np105r.htm http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/recovery.asp Note: the last link is a creationist website, but some of the facts regarding the die offs and areas affected are legitimate. Probably more information than you wanted....:-) a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 12:10:50 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Mar 9 12:10:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sauktown Sales- additions to website Message-ID: <20050309201051.53070.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> I've added a page with a report and pictures from the Southeast Micromounters Winter Gathering last month. I've also added a new list of rare minerals to the pricelist. (Definition of "rare": "I didn't have it in my collection") Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 9 15:55:22 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 9 15:52:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Sauktown Sales- additions to website References: <20050309201051.53070.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422F8C42.30D0@Tomaszewski.net> Jim Daly wrote: > > (Definition of "rare": "I didn't have it in > my collection") ROTFL Kreigh From buff1 at ptd.net Wed Mar 9 16:01:40 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Wed Mar 9 16:01:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] CORRECTION!![Fwd: Berks Mineralogical Society 37th Annual Show] Message-ID: <422F8E64.1060302@ptd.net> In the following post I had originally posted that our website was www.berksmineralsociety.com WELL,,,,, I am eating humble pie... I am NOT the website admin and took the info second hand... The correct web site is http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/BMS_Home.html or http://www.berksmineralsociety.org would have gotten you there... My most sincere apologies for any inconvenience I have posed anyone. The corrected web site is also posted below... NOW is the time to start making plans to attend the...... Berks Mineralogical Society 37th Annual "World of Gems and Minerals" Jewelry, Bead, Mineral and Fossil Show May 14 & 15 10-4 Leesport Farmers Market Banquet Hall Rt 61 Leesport, Pa. 19533 8 miles south of Rt I-78 and 6 miles north of Reading Pa. New this year will be a tailgating section on SATURDAY ONLY $10 table bring own chairs, under cover but not indoors. For Further info PLEASE contact Diane Gehret 1238 Rebers Bridge Road Leesport, Pa. 19533 berksminer@aol.com 610-378-0978 Website owners!!! PLEASE feel free to post this info on your website... this year looks like it is shaping up to be a good one !! the clubs website is http://www.berksmineralsociety.org or directly http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/BMS_Home.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 9 21:18:59 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 9 21:19:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Survey Link (not live) References: <20050308032010.49534.qmail@web60807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422FD8C3.340D@Tomaszewski.net> tango juli wrote: > > Greetings all, > Survey update and question: > I'm building the survey tonite. Hope to have it done > soon. Below is the link to the survey for those who > want to put it in their newsletters. It will be live > around Sunday (it won't be accessible until I release > it). > Need opinion: > Kreigh suggested asking about value of collection. > Should question be about purchase value or replacement > value? Thoughts? > Survey Link: > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 > Survey period: March 14 - April 15 > tangojuli > aka tina > Tina, I was thinking of current (replacement) value (what you might get if you sold -- or had to buy -- the collection today, at prices comparable to similar specimens available from dealers, or cost, whichever is higher). Adding (estimated) cost would be a second valuable question. Kreigh From dhawk at EcologyFund.net Wed Mar 9 22:45:43 2005 From: dhawk at EcologyFund.net (the other angus) Date: Wed Mar 9 22:45:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour or a link or two? Message-ID: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> I have a female friend of mine just moved here from the philipines she is a trained gemologist and is lookin for work. Ah does anyone out there know any good sites to send her in the right direction in Canada that is? Any help would be appreciated I have exhausted all of my ideas. Darren   ------------------------------------------ Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Thu Mar 10 05:35:31 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Thu Mar 10 05:24:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour (Philippines) References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: <000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> Darren, Since you ask that... I don't have any advice immediately to offer, but perhaps your friend can give some helpful info to someone else who was just asking: they are going to the Philippines and wondered if anyone knew anything at all about places where one might collect, or purchase from the source, any minerals or gems. It seems that very little in the way of minerals comes from the Philippines. If your friend has any advice at all (or if anyone else on this list does), I'd be very pleased to pass it on to the person who inquired. You may answer on- or off- this list, if you can get any suggestions. Does anyone know of any mines or other locations, that are producing any kind of mineral or gem specimens? Thank you, Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "the other angus" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour or a link or two? > I have a female friend of mine just moved here from the philipines she is a trained gemologist and is lookin for work. Ah does anyone out there know any good sites to send her in the right direction in Canada that is? Any help would be appreciated I have exhausted all of my ideas. > > > Darren > >   > > ------------------------------------------ > Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Thu Mar 10 06:07:58 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Mar 10 06:07:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour (Philippines) References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> <000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <2e4501c5257a$903753b0$6402a8c0@remains> about the only thing I know of that comes from the Phillipines are megalodon teeth oh...and if whoever asked for gemological work reads this, try EGL in Vancouver....so long as you are able to forget once in a while whatever ethics you may have , it'll be a good gemological position Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] a favour (Philippines) > Darren, > > Since you ask that... I don't have any advice immediately to offer, but > perhaps your friend can give some helpful info to someone else who was > just > asking: they are going to the Philippines and wondered if anyone knew > anything at all about places where one might collect, or purchase from the > source, any minerals or gems. It seems that very little in the way of > minerals comes from the Philippines. If your friend has any advice at all > (or if anyone else on this list does), I'd be very pleased to pass it on > to > the person who inquired. You may answer on- or off- this list, if you can > get any suggestions. Does anyone know of any mines or other locations, > that > are producing any kind of mineral or gem specimens? > > Thank you, Pete Modreski > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "the other angus" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:45 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour or a link or two? > > >> I have a female friend of mine just moved here from the philipines she is > a trained gemologist and is lookin for work. Ah does anyone out there know > any good sites to send her in the right direction in Canada that is? Any > help would be appreciated I have exhausted all of my ideas. >> >> >> Darren >> >>   >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net > email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> text/html (html body -- converted) >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Mar 10 06:42:31 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Mar 10 08:42:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour (Philippines) References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> <000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <003801c5257f$691fe760$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Pete, Google "Mao-it River" on the island of Panay. "There are jade, jasper, agate, opal, bloodstone, onyx, woodstone, quartz, chert, and turquoise. If one is lucky enough, one may spot some rare petrified wood." John Siebel Santa, Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" > Philippines and wondered if anyone knew > anything at all about places where one might collect, or purchase from the > source, any minerals or gems. From Rewhittemo at aol.com Thu Mar 10 17:40:06 2005 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 10 17:40:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee Message-ID: <156.4c9b86a3.2f6250f6@aol.com> Hello! I wanted to let you all know about a superb Miocene fossil site found during road construction in 2000. No collecting is possible, but by 2007, the Site will be open to the public by way of a museum. It is the largest single site of Miocene age in the world, and is located in eastern US far away from any other Miocene site. It is approximately 5 acres and 35M thick. Organisms: vertebrates, invertebrates, plants, pollen/spores. Environment: terrestrial ecosystem, forested. Animals recovered to date: saber-toothed cat, Telosceras, elephant, short-faced bear, alligators, fox-sized dogs, coyote, camel, deer, panda, shrew, squirrel, rabbit, salamander, frog, fish, new species of turtle and weasel, and new species/new genus of panda. The panda is the first occurrence in eastern North America [see recent NATURE magazine]. Instead of horses found in most grassland Miocene sites, the Gray Fossil Site has tapir. For those who might be interested in having an excellent speaker to talk about the site, please indicate so by return e-mail and we will forward your inquiry to the Paleontology Coordinator who gives programs. His job is the PR man for the site! Anne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Thu Mar 10 18:58:13 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Mar 10 18:55:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near St. Louis, Missouri USA? Message-ID: Hi all, I was just in St. Louis on business and didn't have any time to do any collecting, but I was wondering if there are any places around there that do allow collecting in case I have to go back in a few months. I mostly collect mineral crystals, but fossils would be fine too. Even if I can't dig/collect anything, are there any geologically interesting areas that I could at least visit and look around? Thanks, Bob Loeffler From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 19:06:54 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Mar 10 19:06:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock opportunity topic ? Message-ID: <20050311030655.85152.qmail@web41015.mail.yahoo.com> Hi folks, John V. has the benefit auction for Rocks and Minerals magazine's Color Fund up at his Trinity Minerals auction site, 30 rocks available to collect for a good rock hound cause. OK, it's non-commercial, they're a 501c3 operation, I'm pretty sure, non-profit of some sort. So bid them up 'til it hurts! Then subscribe to the magazine and see what you're supporting! And some of the donated rocks are really, really pretty, especially for someone who hasn't been in the field since last Sept! Well, October I guess, Veterans Day weekend, but that's still a long time ago!...can you tell I'm ready for spring? JR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jonee at epix.net Thu Mar 10 19:10:54 2005 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Thu Mar 10 19:11:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal--ball mill substitute In-Reply-To: References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> <005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> <002101c523ef$0787bfa0$9c059f04@benjamin> <422E3191.5D03@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <42310C3E.2050605@epix.net> I am coming late to this discussion however I saw how gold miners in Bolivia were milling in the field. I am in the process of building this style mill. The miners had a large diameter PVC pipe with screw-in caps at both ends. They were using the sash ballasts from old windows. For those unfamiliar the "sash ballast" they are a 10-12 inch long, 2-3 inch diameter bar of cast iron that was used to counter balance old wooden windows when rasied or lowered. They traveled in channels inside the window sash. You can find them, locally at least, at salvage yards when older buildings such as school houses are demolished. The pipe was laid down on a set of rollers which was hand or water powered. After a "run" the miners opened the end cap and poured out a gray sludge for smelting. Seemed very efficent--at least it worked for them in the bush. Regards, Elton From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 10 20:34:47 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 10 20:34:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal--ball mill substitute References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> <005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> <002101c523ef$0787bfa0$9c059f04@benjamin> <422E3191.5D03@Tomaszewski.net> <42310C3E.2050605@epix.net> Message-ID: <42311FBF.5DC6@Tomaszewski.net> Elton, Thank you for sharing a most interesting form of a 'ball mill'. BTW, Stu might be able to use this for powdering quartz (and grading it with elutriation). Kreigh E. L. Jones wrote: > > I am coming late to this discussion however I saw how gold miners in > Bolivia were milling in the field. I am in the process of building > this style mill. > > The miners had a large diameter PVC pipe with screw-in caps at both > ends. They were using the sash ballasts from old windows. For those > unfamiliar the "sash ballast" they are a 10-12 inch long, 2-3 inch > diameter bar of cast iron that was used to counter balance old wooden > windows when rasied or lowered. They traveled in channels inside the > window sash. You can find them, locally at least, at salvage yards when > older buildings such as school houses are demolished. > > The pipe was laid down on a set of rollers which was hand or water > powered. After a "run" the miners opened the end cap and poured out a > gray sludge for smelting. Seemed very efficent--at least it worked for > them in the bush. > > Regards, > Elton From dvcook at ntelos.net Thu Mar 10 18:57:50 2005 From: dvcook at ntelos.net (Duard Cook) Date: Thu Mar 10 21:01:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee References: <156.4c9b86a3.2f6250f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c525f7$2121f2f0$796918d8@mytoy> can you tell us what state it is located in thanks very much Duard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee > Hello! > > I wanted to let you all know about a superb Miocene fossil site found > during road construction in 2000. No collecting is possible, but by 2007, the > Site will be open to the public by way of a museum. It is the largest single > site of Miocene age in the world, and is located in eastern US far away from > any > other Miocene site. It is approximately 5 acres and 35M thick. Organisms: > vertebrates, invertebrates, plants, pollen/spores. > Environment: terrestrial ecosystem, forested. Animals recovered to date: > saber-toothed cat, Telosceras, elephant, short-faced bear, alligators, > fox-sized dogs, coyote, camel, deer, panda, shrew, squirrel, rabbit, > salamander, frog, > fish, new species of turtle and weasel, and new species/new genus of panda. > The panda is the first occurrence in eastern North America [see recent NATURE > magazine]. Instead of horses found in most grassland Miocene sites, the Gray > Fossil Site has tapir. > For those who might be interested in having an excellent speaker to talk > about the site, please indicate so by return e-mail and we will forward your > inquiry to the Paleontology Coordinator who gives programs. His job is the PR > man for the site! > > Anne > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > From rockcurrier at cs.com Fri Mar 11 03:15:34 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Fri Mar 11 03:12:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in the Philippines or for that matter anywhere. References: <200503110201.j2B21aqt032559@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <007b01c5262b$a8958e70$2eeaa5d8@rock5> After chasing minerals for a number of years in various countries around the world, though I have never been to the Philippines, I may be able to offer a little advice. Of course a lot depends on how much time you are going to be able to devote to chasing rocks in the particular country of your choice. If you wish, thought it really is not very important, you can find out what specimens have come from the Philippines. Giant enargite crystals come most prominently to mind. At the Tucson show some years ago I was offered a few tons of pyrite crystals from some locality there that I don't recall. They were of an undistinguished nature and of doubtful competitiveness with those from Peru. Check out mindat.org or google it on the search engines of your choice. There probably won't be all that much information and will in reality not be of all that much use to you anyway. When you get to the Philippines make a B-line for the largest university and find and find a geology professor to talk to. Usually the professors can speak enough English to make communicating without a translator possible and they will know enough to get you started. Usually the geology department or what ever they call it now will have some specimens on display or some local specimens for student demonstrations. More importantly they will know about currently producing localities whether they be mines, quarries or rock formations. More than that they will know of any local collections of minerals and or fossils that may be available for you to look at and or people dealing in such things. If you do not speak the language they may also be able to recommend a student or ex student that speaks a little English who might be willing to act as a guide for you. If you offer to pay the way of the guide, even the professor might be talked into being your guide. Since all the localities of interest are not likely to be on the main island you may need to do a little island hopping to visit the places of most interest to you. In a place like the Philippines where collectors or mineral dealers rarely go to get specimens you might select a mine or two that is operating and has been known to produce specimens and just go and present yourself at the mine office and ask about getting mineral specimens. They will usually oblige you as best they can. The professor will likely be able to advise you as to the best targets. At any rate that is more of less the procedure that I have used in various places where I could not speak the local language and it has always produced very interesting if not profitable results. About 30 years ago on Viti Levue (Fiji Islands) I picked up an Indian sugar cane cutter to be my guide but I ended up being his guide more than the other way around. I didn't know very much then as it was my first trip around the world. Got some interesting telluride specimens though. Rock From volgems at icx.net Fri Mar 11 04:31:39 2005 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Fri Mar 11 04:31:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee Message-ID: <23254862.1110544299348.JavaMail.root@wamui02.slb.atl.earthlink.net> TENNESSEE ... as in the subject line -----Original Message----- From: Duard Cook Sent: Mar 10, 2005 9:57 PM To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee can you tell us what state it is located in thanks very much Duard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee > Hello! > > I wanted to let you all know about a superb Miocene fossil site found > during road construction in 2000. No collecting is possible, but by 2007, the > Site will be open to the public by way of a museum. It is the largest single > site of Miocene age in the world, and is located in eastern US far away from > any > other Miocene site. It is approximately 5 acres and 35M thick. Organisms: > vertebrates, invertebrates, plants, pollen/spores. > Environment: terrestrial ecosystem, forested. Animals recovered to date: > saber-toothed cat, Telosceras, elephant, short-faced bear, alligators, > fox-sized dogs, coyote, camel, deer, panda, shrew, squirrel, rabbit, > salamander, frog, > fish, new species of turtle and weasel, and new species/new genus of panda. > The panda is the first occurrence in eastern North America [see recent NATURE > magazine]. Instead of horses found in most grassland Miocene sites, the Gray > Fossil Site has tapir. > For those who might be interested in having an excellent speaker to talk > about the site, please indicate so by return e-mail and we will forward your > inquiry to the Paleontology Coordinator who gives programs. His job is the PR > man for the site! > > Anne > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From libawc at emory.edu Fri Mar 11 04:44:07 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Fri Mar 11 04:44:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee In-Reply-To: <156.4c9b86a3.2f6250f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c52638$06da48c0$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> I would be interested in contacting the speaker for the Georgia Mineral Society. Please forward my interest, Anita D. Westlake, Education Chair Georgia Mineral Society, Inc. Atlanta, GA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rewhittemo@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:40 PM To: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com Cc: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee Hello! I wanted to let you all know about a superb Miocene fossil site found during road construction in 2000. No collecting is possible, but by 2007, the Site will be open to the public by way of a museum. It is the largest single site of Miocene age in the world, and is located in eastern US far away from any other Miocene site. It is approximately 5 acres and 35M thick. Organisms: vertebrates, invertebrates, plants, pollen/spores. Environment: terrestrial ecosystem, forested. Animals recovered to date: saber-toothed cat, Telosceras, elephant, short-faced bear, alligators, fox-sized dogs, coyote, camel, deer, panda, shrew, squirrel, rabbit, salamander, frog, fish, new species of turtle and weasel, and new species/new genus of panda. The panda is the first occurrence in eastern North America [see recent NATURE magazine]. Instead of horses found in most grassland Miocene sites, the Gray Fossil Site has tapir. For those who might be interested in having an excellent speaker to talk about the site, please indicate so by return e-mail and we will forward your inquiry to the Paleontology Coordinator who gives programs. His job is the PR man for the site! Anne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From hammerron at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 05:36:27 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Fri Mar 11 05:36:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in the Philippines In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311133627.75177.qmail@web81401.mail.yahoo.com> When I think of the Philippines, I keep thinking Chromite for some reason. Don't know if there are any "current" producing localities, but I believe there has been in the past. -Ron http://www.hammerron.com/minerals --- Rock Currier wrote: > After chasing minerals for a number of years in various > countries around > the world, though I have never been to the Philippines, I may > be able to > offer a little advice. Of course a lot depends on how much > time you are > going to be able to devote to chasing rocks in the particular > country of > your choice. If you wish, thought it really is not very > important, you can > find out what specimens have come from the Philippines. Giant > enargite > crystals come most prominently to mind. At the Tucson show > some years ago I > was offered a few tons of pyrite crystals from some locality > there that I > don't recall. They were of an undistinguished nature and of > doubtful > competitiveness with those from Peru. Check out mindat.org or > google it on > the search engines of your choice. There probably won't be all > that much > information and will in reality not be of all that much use to > you anyway. > When you get to the Philippines make a B-line for the > largest university > and find and find a geology professor to talk to. Usually the > professors can > speak enough English to make communicating without a > translator possible and > they will know enough to get you started. Usually the geology > department or > what ever they call it now will have some specimens on display > or some local > specimens for student demonstrations. More importantly they > will know about > currently producing localities whether they be mines, quarries > or rock > formations. More than that they will know of any local > collections of > minerals and or fossils that may be available for you to look > at and or > people dealing in such things. If you do not speak the > language they may > also be able to recommend a student or ex student that speaks > a little > English who might be willing to act as a guide for you. If you > offer to pay > the way of the guide, even the professor might be talked into > being your > guide. Since all the localities of interest are not likely to > be on the main > island you may need to do a little island hopping to visit the > places of > most interest to you. In a place like the Philippines where > collectors or > mineral dealers rarely go to get specimens you might select a > mine or two > that is operating and has been known to produce specimens and > just go and > present yourself at the mine office and ask about getting > mineral specimens. > They will usually oblige you as best they can. The professor > will likely be > able to advise you as to the best targets. > At any rate that is more of less the procedure that I have > used in > various places where I could not speak the local language and > it has always > produced very interesting if not profitable results. About 30 > years ago on > Viti Levue (Fiji Islands) I picked up an Indian sugar cane > cutter to be my > guide but I ended up being his guide more than the other way > around. I > didn't know very much then as it was my first trip around the > world. Got > some interesting telluride specimens though. > Rock > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Anthony.Schlinsog at GEHA.com Fri Mar 11 06:35:26 2005 From: Anthony.Schlinsog at GEHA.com (Schlinsog, Anthony) Date: Fri Mar 11 06:38:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near St. Louis, Missouri USA? Message-ID: Bob, Greetings! I live on the other side of the state in Kansas City so I'm sure there are others who can give you more localities than I can. But off the top of my head, a few places do come to mind. Just south of St. Louis is the world's largest lead mining district and it has produced a number of really excellent mineral specimens - Galena and other associated crystals found with it though personal collecting will be minimal here. In that area you can visit the Missouri Mines State Historic Site where they have a large display of minerals and crystals on display, many from Missouri but also a lot from around the world. There is also an old lead mine you can go into and take a tour of in Bonne Terre, MO. The French diver and explorer Jacque Cousteau did a special there where he and his fellow divers explored the flooded portions of the mine. To the north of St. Louis near the Iowa state line is the home of the Keokuk Geodes. If you google 'Keokuk Geodes' you will find quite a few sites with information on where to collect. Now if you were to ever visit the other side of the state near Kansas City, I know of a number of decent places to collect within a couple of hours of KC. Good luck with your search and thanks for the information on Garnet collecting in Utah! Anthony Schlinsog -----Original Message----- From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:bobl@peaktopeak.com] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:58 PM To: Rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near St. Louis, Missouri USA? Hi all, I was just in St. Louis on business and didn't have any time to do any collecting, but I was wondering if there are any places around there that do allow collecting in case I have to go back in a few months. I mostly collect mineral crystals, but fossils would be fine too. Even if I can't dig/collect anything, are there any geologically interesting areas that I could at least visit and look around? Thanks, Bob Loeffler _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this email belongs to the sender which is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Message-ID: <031120051448.20839.4231AFB900024D250000516721602806519D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Schlinsog, Anthony" In that area you can visit the Missouri Mines State Historic > Site where they have a large display of minerals and crystals on display, > many from Missouri but also a lot from around the world. There is also an > old lead mine you can go into and take a tour of in Bonne Terre, MO. The > French diver and explorer Jacque Cousteau did a special there where he and > his fellow divers explored the flooded portions of the mine. These are EXCELLENT places to visit and I recommend them heartily. Nice countryside in which to drive. Sad to say, but the best part of the job at which I've spent the last 10 years was being sent to out-of-the-way places and being able to explore sights like these. In fact, Scott Air Force Base was my first assignment and I still remember fondly all the (relatively) nearby mineral, fossil, and archeological points of interest in that part of the country. Don From rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com Wed Mar 9 10:50:39 2005 From: rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com (RockHounds: The Movie) Date: Fri Mar 11 08:06:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] PRESS RELEASE: RockHounds: The Movie Coming to a Gem & Mineral Show Near You! Message-ID: “RockHounds: The Movie” Coming to a Gem & Mineral Show Near You! For Immediate Release (Images available upon request) Dallas, TX - Explorer Multimedia Inc. has just finished the new documentary film “RockHounds: The Movie.” While following the exploits of “rock hounds,” the documentary showcases the fun, adventure and even the wackiness of the hobby of gem & mineral collecting. The independent film will now begin to tour on the film festival circuit throughout the country. In addition, the producers are also hoping to distribute the film to Gem & Mineral Shows that are interested in screening it. “While the film serves as a great introduction to the hobby of gem and mineral collecting, we believe it will also be appreciated by life-long rock hounds,” said director Todd Kent, “For a lot of people gemand mineral collecting is a passion. This definitely comes through in the film.” “A wide range of diggers appear in the movie,” said producer and geologist Devin Dennie, who also appears in the film, “from young children to college students to adults, rock hounds are a diverse group.” Shot in three states, the film covers digs of fossils, crystals and more with an emphasis on the people who share this great adventure. Any gem and mineral societies that are interested in screening the documentary can contact the producers through the film’s website http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com . “We hope to distribute to as many gem & mineral shows as we can across the country,” said Kent, “We also plan to approach museums and other organizations about exhibiting it.” Explorer Multimedia Inc. is a non-profit 501 (c)(3) corporation responsible for the TV series “North Texas Explorer” and the upcoming “GeoAmerica.” For more information consult their websites: http://www.explorermultimedia.org and http://www.rockhoundsmovie.com . _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From lanny at lrream.com Fri Mar 11 09:10:19 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Mar 11 09:08:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grinding/crushing quartz crystal--ball mill substitute In-Reply-To: <42311FBF.5DC6@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20050304025456.17282.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c52172$2a2a70e0$78f1edc1@mpc1> <422A930D.1A00@Tomaszewski.net> <006901c52338$2e5e2630$6400a8c0@STUART> <422CFC84.7B37@Tomaszewski.net> <005901c52381$2e64d2c0$6501a8c0@GlennWimpee> <422D1599.1AFB@Tomaszewski.net> <004401c523e3$7b6ce690$6400a8c0@STUART> <002101c523ef$0787bfa0$9c059f04@benjamin> <422E3191.5D03@Tomaszewski.net> <42310C3E.2050605@epix.net> <42311FBF.5DC6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <72331FD2-9250-11D9-A973-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Actually, that would be a rod mill. Lanny On Mar 10, 2005, at 8:34 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Elton, > > Thank you for sharing a most interesting form of a 'ball mill'. > > BTW, Stu might be able to use this for powdering quartz (and grading it > with elutriation). > > Kreigh > > > > > > E. L. Jones wrote: >> >> I am coming late to this discussion however I saw how gold miners in >> Bolivia were milling in the field. I am in the process of building >> this style mill. >> >> The miners had a large diameter PVC pipe with screw-in caps at both >> ends. They were using the sash ballasts from old windows. For those >> unfamiliar the "sash ballast" they are a 10-12 inch long, 2-3 inch >> diameter bar of cast iron that was used to counter balance old wooden >> windows when rasied or lowered. They traveled in channels inside the >> window sash. You can find them, locally at least, at salvage yards >> when >> older buildings such as school houses are demolished. >> >> The pipe was laid down on a set of rollers which was hand or water >> powered. After a "run" the miners opened the end cap and poured out a >> gray sludge for smelting. Seemed very efficent--at least it worked >> for >> them in the bush. >> >> Regards, >> Elton > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Mar 11 09:20:07 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Mar 11 09:20:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in the Philippines or for that matter anywhere. Message-ID: <031120051720.11390.4231D3450007FFCB00002C7E216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Thank you, Rock, I knew you'd have something to add about the Philippines! As you probably gathered from my email, it was someone ("a reader") who contacted editor Marie Huizing at Rocks & Minerals, looking for any info for his coming trip. I'll pass this on to that gentleman. And Ron, yes, there are chromite deposits in the Philippines--I think someone earlier replying on this thread (Lanny?) may have mentioned it. Though, I don't know if they produce any "collectible" minerals. It sounds like the country, though not particularly endowed with specimen-producing mineral occurrences, has been pretty much unexplored from a mineral specimen standpoint, probably because of logistics and economic/social conditions there. -------------- Original message from "Rock Currier" : -------------- > After chasing minerals for a number of years in various countries around > the world, though I have never been to the Philippines, I may be able to > offer a little advice. Of course a lot depends on how much time you are > going to be able to devote to chasing rocks in the particular country of > your choice. If you wish, thought it really is not very important, you can > find out what specimens have come from the Philippines. Giant enargite > crystals come most prominently to mind. At the Tucson show some years ago I > was offered a few tons of pyrite crystals from some locality there that I > don't recall. They were of an undistinguished nature and of doubtful > competitiveness with those from Peru. Check out mindat.org or google it on > the search engines of your choice. There probably won't be all that much > information and will in reality not be of all that much use to you anyway. > When you get to the Philippines make a B-line for the largest university > and find and find a geology professor to talk to. Usually the professors can > speak enough English to make communicating without a translator possible and > they will know enough to get you started. Usually the geology department or > what ever they call it now will have some specimens on display or some local > specimens for student demonstrations. More importantly they will know about > currently producing localities whether they be mines, quarries or rock > formations. More than that they will know of any local collections of > minerals and or fossils that may be available for you to look at and or > people dealing in such things. If you do not speak the language they may > also be able to recommend a student or ex student that speaks a little > English who might be willing to act as a guide for you. If you offer to pay > the way of the guide, even the professor might be talked into being your > guide. Since all the localities of interest are not likely to be on the main > island you may need to do a little island hopping to visit the places of > most interest to you. In a place like the Philippines where collectors or > mineral dealers rarely go to get specimens you might select a mine or two > that is operating and has been known to produce specimens and just go and > present yourself at the mine office and ask about getting mineral specimens. > They will usually oblige you as best they can. The professor will likely be > able to advise you as to the best targets. > At any rate that is more of less the procedure that I have used in > various places where I could not speak the local language and it has always > produced very interesting if not profitable results. About 30 years ago on > Viti Levue (Fiji Islands) I picked up an Indian sugar cane cutter to be my > guide but I ended up being his guide more than the other way around. I > didn't know very much then as it was my first trip around the world. Got > some interesting telluride specimens though. > Rock > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dnorris at frii.com Fri Mar 11 11:51:29 2005 From: dnorris at frii.com (Don Norris) Date: Fri Mar 11 11:51:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting near St. Louis, Missouri USA? References: Message-ID: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com> Hi Anthony, Please let me know about collecting places around Kansas City, even McPhearson. I am going to teach a Silversmithing Class in McPheason on the weekend of April 23 and 24. I have a day or two before that to get there and to collect something on the way from Colorado. Then I may teach a Silversmithing class in Kanas City, well at the Beaddazzler in Overland Park really. I am teach there on Tuesday and Wednesday, so I have all day Monday to drive from McPhearson to KC and would love to collect anything in between. I do not pick up much, but I love looking. From Kansas City I am heading to the Twin Cities to teach the next weekend, so I have a day or two to collect between there and Kansas City. I am from Wichita, but that was almost 40 years ago. Collect agates as a kid in the sand pits around Wichita. Kept me out of jail I think. Then went to school in Pittsburg, where I did go to jail once for tresspassing when I and my roommate went down in to the mines around Galena, Kansas. I was caught once and warned that I would be arrested the next time. They caught us as we walked out of a sink hole that formed when this mine collasped. We had just found a good deposit of Galena, and just had to go back for it! So, we did. We got caught because I told my girlfried, my wife now, that I would be home around curfew time for girls on campus: 10 PM. We went down into thte mine around 4 PM, and just decided to work all night, so when went came out, there was two fire trucks, four cop cars, and my wife waiting for us. She thought we were lost or dead! Cost me $20.00 to get out of jail, but they let us keep the rocks!!! Sold them to Floss Rosenberry for $300.00. It was still a very profitable night in the late 60's. What we did not tell them is that when we saw the fire trucks at the top of the sink hole, we stashed most of the Galena, some Marcasite, and a few Calacites at the bottom of the sink hole. We were both skinny then and knew very few people could get through the small hole that led to the mine shaft. Went back and got it that night. That haul just about paid for one year of college! The Galena was perfect, perfect cubes, and we took care in taking out! I kept one piece, about 90 pounds, 15 inches or so, by 10 inches deep and 6 inches thick. Crystals about 2 inch square down to 1/4 inch. Beautiful, shinny Galena. I sold my collection in the 80's so I could start a business that eventually bankrupted me for 3 million dollars. I was talking to the daughter of the man that bought it back then and now is in his late eighties. I told her I might want to buy back that collection, she said "Talk to daddy, hew will probably just give bac to you.". I have not had the time to talk with him but you know I will. Anthony, I used to collect Septarians outside of Hume. Nearly every weekend we walked, climbed the strip pits and collected them. Sold them for 25 cents each to Floss. When I was in College I almost joined a protest against the mining companies. College students wanted them to quit strip mining. I decide not to go, becasue I thought the strip mines were more interesting than the land was before it was all dug up and pilled up. Besides I liked riding my motorcycle of them around Pittsburg. They made a great place for "necking" with my wife. And I found fossils in some, and put my self through a semester of college with the Septarians. I even advertised them in Lapidary Journal, and Gems and Minerals. Sold 100 pounds for $50.00 and $20.00 truck frieght. When Floss felt sorry for me and told me where to go collect them, he thought we could only get about 100 in a day if we were lucky. He told where to go dig them outside Hume. As college kids will do we dug for about an hour, and only had about 20 Septarians. We were not keen on that, so we decided to just going exploring on the acres and acres of mine dumbs. We started finding Septarians every where. They had weather out of the dumps. Picked them up and took a full pick up truck full to Floss. Relunctly, he paid us $100.00 each. So one weekend every month we pick up Septarians. Now before anyone gets grumpy about this. These dumps were were bulldozed flat when I went back years later. I was glad I did not join that protest. All the dumps around Pitttsburg are now parks. Where we thought nothing would ever grow on the acres of dumps is now a jungle. You can not even climb on them unless you stay on a path. The big ugly pits, filled with water and now are know for bass and other fishing. I do not want to start a rant, but I was in Arizona and drove around one of the big pit mines and had to think about all this. The big hole was more interesting to me than most of what I drove through to get there. I personally believe we could use more mining here in the USA. Yes, protect the enviroment, but may a few "dump parks" wouldn't be all that bad. If there are any old faaa, old rockhounds that knew Floss I would be interested in any stories you may have about him. He was a true character and I started writing a weekly "cliff hanger" and him and my adventures with him. I started that series on an old list that lost its moderator, actually it migh have been this one. Anyway, I would like to include any stories you may have about him or the old Galena, Pitcher area. Don Norris From agesilaus at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 13:33:18 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Mar 11 13:33:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] USGS Earthquake site In-Reply-To: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com> References: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com> Message-ID: I spotted this on a blog I read (oddly enough its by a group of law school profs). I don't know if it's been mentioned before but its a live map of the world showing earthquakes: http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ Bryan From Blueriverjewelry at aol.com Fri Mar 11 19:17:24 2005 From: Blueriverjewelry at aol.com (Blueriverjewelry@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 11 19:17:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: California hunting Message-ID: <55.6ed0cb8b.2f63b944@aol.com> Hello, I will be in California in early-mid June. Will be in the Carpinteria, Santa Barbara areas. Any good places to hunt? Any and all suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. Susy McMahan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Mar 11 19:48:02 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 11 19:44:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] USGS Earthquake site References: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com> Message-ID: <42326586.3AD9@Tomaszewski.net> Thank you Bryan! That is a great resource. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > I spotted this on a blog I read (oddly enough its by a group of law > school profs). I don't know if it's been mentioned before but its a > live map of the world showing earthquakes: > > http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ > > Bryan From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 11 19:59:24 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 11 20:00:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] good volcano videos References: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com> <42326586.3AD9@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <004901c526b7$e2baa2c0$04000100@CMC3101861A> For those who can do video on their connection, this is a great set of volcano videos on Discovery.com http://media.dsc.discovery.com/news/features/helens/video/volcanoes.html Just try to live thru the 15 second commercials before each video, the Iams ad nearly drove me nuts. Jeanette From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 11 20:25:44 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Mar 11 20:14:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] good volcano videos References: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com><42326586.3AD9@Tomaszewski.net> <004901c526b7$e2baa2c0$04000100@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000f01c526bb$90404c80$80a3490c@pete> This reminds me of another volcano cam site that is so neat, I almost feel like I should keep it a secret to myself! (But a geol. friend told me about it, so I should share.) The US, of course, doesn't have a monopoly on volcanoes. This site has cameras aimed at three separate volcanoes in Kamchatka, the largest of which is Klyuchevskoy (one sees those names spelled various ways). Some days everything is socked in, but some days, it's clear and you can see all 3 volcanoes erupting columns of steam or ash, at the same time! (in 3 different camera views). Klyuchevskoy is an incredibly beautiful, symmetrical stratovolcano cone. It vents steam & ash from the summit, and there's also a lava vent on the side, that periodically sends visible, glowing lava down the right (as the cam looks at it) flank. Here's the url: http://www.iks.ru/~emsd/video/video.htm and sunrise there is about 1 p.m. our (Denver, MST) time. P.S., Jeanette, not having looked at the video yet, what is "Iams"? Is that an orange vegetable related to the sweet potato, or is it what Popeye the Sailor used to say, "I am what I yam cause that's all what I yam." ? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] good volcano videos > For those who can do video on their connection, this is a great set of > volcano videos on Discovery.com > http://media.dsc.discovery.com/news/features/helens/video/volcanoes.html > Just try to live thru the 15 second commercials before each video, the Iams > ad nearly drove me nuts. > Jeanette > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 11 20:22:00 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 11 20:23:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] good volcano videos References: <4231F6C1.6020304@frii.com><42326586.3AD9@Tomaszewski.net><004901c526b7$e2baa2c0$04000100@CMC3101861A> <000f01c526bb$90404c80$80a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <005001c526bb$096019c0$04000100@CMC3101861A> LOL....I guess you have to be a dog owner...Iams makes dog food. One of the premium dog food companies or was until it was bought out by Procter & Gamble. Nows it's too commercialized, and the quality is not like it used to be. You've either been out rockhounding or staying on the computer too much instead of watching TV. I don't watch much TV myself, since I got a computer. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] good volcano videos > This reminds me of another volcano cam site that is so neat, I almost feel > like I should keep it a secret to myself! (But a geol. friend told me > about > it, so I should share.) The US, of course, doesn't have a monopoly on > volcanoes. This site has cameras aimed at three separate volcanoes in > Kamchatka, the largest of which is Klyuchevskoy (one sees those names > spelled various ways). Some days everything is socked in, but some days, > it's clear and you can see all 3 volcanoes erupting columns of steam or > ash, > at the same time! (in 3 different camera views). Klyuchevskoy is an > incredibly beautiful, symmetrical stratovolcano cone. It vents steam & > ash > from the summit, and there's also a lava vent on the side, that > periodically > sends visible, glowing lava down the right (as the cam looks at it) flank. > Here's the url: > > http://www.iks.ru/~emsd/video/video.htm > > and sunrise there is about 1 p.m. our (Denver, MST) time. > > P.S., Jeanette, not having looked at the video yet, what is "Iams"? Is > that > an orange vegetable related to the sweet potato, or is it what Popeye the > Sailor used to say, "I am what I yam cause that's all what I yam." ? > > Pete > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Fri Mar 11 22:30:52 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Mar 11 23:01:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs Namibian crossing! References: <200503011757.j21HvXYd024560@outmx017.isp.belgacom.be><000801c52017$ba2216a0$564127c4@privatehome> <007301c520b0$e19071c0$4848a7a8@hulley> Message-ID: <000101c526d1$4ce6ed70$7b4127c4@privatehome> Hi Hildagarde, Sorry for the late reply, but was "snowed under" with urgent commitments. For the 2000 Easter GEMBOREE, our son, Gerhard, had to come out from Germany, as I was uable to drive our car, because I had torn the rotator cuff in my right arm. Then straight after the GEMBOREE, we left Prieska on Easter Monday to travel to Upington. Here was the meeting place of all the paricipants of a five-week "rockhounding expedition" that I was the leader of, travelling right through Namibia, then into Botswana (via the Caprivi Strip) and then into Zimbabwe and back home to South Africa via the Victoria Falls and Bulawayo. We had a very succesful collecting trip in Namibia and after four weeks, we duly obtained our mineral export permits in Windhoek. When we eventually reached the Namibia/Botswana border, I showed the export permit to the Customs official at the Namibian border post. This lady then asked me what she was supposed to do with the export permit. I answered her by informing her that she had to carefully read the two pages, tben sign it on the back and send it back to the Ministry of Mines in Windhoek. "Where is my Official Free Envelope?" she wanted to know. My answer was that this was not my problem but hers. She then sent out a Customs official to look at the minerals we were taking home. I opened the luggage compartment of the car, hauled out a specimen of fluorite from Okorusu. Upon noticing the blank stare on his face I asked him if he knew what this was? "No" he replied and then I went ahead to explain to him that it was fluorite and sometimes it was ground to a fine powder and added to toothpaste. "Oh, so you are driving to Johannesburg (South Africa) to sell it to the toothpaste factory!" was his reply. I was then allowed through Customs and border control. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "P.C. Hulley" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs Namibian crossing! >> I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some >> fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. > > Hi Horst > > Please do! > Hildagarde > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Horst Windisch > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair > andreturnofitemsinternationally? >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From rockcurrier at cs.com Sat Mar 12 02:51:00 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sat Mar 12 02:47:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District References: <200503120200.j2C20sbM001224@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00d501c526f1$61a62760$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Dear Don, In my youth I spent a couple of days in the Tri State District on my way back east to take a job mixing chemicals for a large company. At that time the hey day of mining was over in the district and only one large mine was still operating in the district and they were pumping some of the water that would have otherwise fllooded the mines and has subseuqently done so. Rosenbury was still selling minerals or at least his widow was. Boodle Lane had been gone for a few years before I arrived but there was a "highgrader" by the name of Chink Enders that was running a little salvage operation near Pitcher, Oklahoma and I made a deal with him to take me underground. It boiled down to riding a bucket down into one of the mines where he turned me loose to collect what I could. He apologized that his little desel powere jeep was broken and he really could not take me much of anywhere. The mines were huge underground and you could easily get lost in them if you were not careful. He said at one time you could drive fifty or sixty miles underground to various mines in various states and I don't doubt it. Even them some parts of the mine were flooded. I remember looking through a hole into a living room size cave full of big calcite crystals. I collected three peach baskets full of calcite and galena speicmens and was well satisfied with my haul. I used to wonder what happened to the hundreds of tons of specimens that the district produced. Now I know they mostly got dirty, broken and thrown away. Even in its inactive state, there were more specimens there in the walls than an army of collectors could collect. They are still down there, and I am sure that when the price of lead and zinc is high enough some of the mines will be opened again. During the Second World war, many of the big surface dumps were remilled and all the big rocks were broken down into pea gravel sizes and even those dumps were being hauled away for road metal. Today I think would have to search hard for any sizeable dump. A whole way of life that developed around the mines is not gone but the memories of it are still kept alive by the various historical societies in the area. No one knows what happened to Chink Enders. A lot of people in the area didn't like him because they thought he robbed pillers in the mines and was not well liked. Some think that he was dropped down a mine shaft. From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Mar 12 03:07:24 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Mar 12 03:07:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unified customs Namibian crossing! In-Reply-To: <000101c526d1$4ce6ed70$7b4127c4@privatehome> Message-ID: Horst, thank you so much for this delightful moment of insight... there's always the right person for a job and from the collectors point of view: Namibian customs officials meet that criterion! LOLL Now I know where toothpaste comes from... Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Horst Windisch Verzonden: zaterdag 12 maart 2005 7:31 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs Namibian crossing! Hi Hildagarde, Sorry for the late reply, but was "snowed under" with urgent commitments. For the 2000 Easter GEMBOREE, our son, Gerhard, had to come out from Germany, as I was uable to drive our car, because I had torn the rotator cuff in my right arm. Then straight after the GEMBOREE, we left Prieska on Easter Monday to travel to Upington. Here was the meeting place of all the paricipants of a five-week "rockhounding expedition" that I was the leader of, travelling right through Namibia, then into Botswana (via the Caprivi Strip) and then into Zimbabwe and back home to South Africa via the Victoria Falls and Bulawayo. We had a very succesful collecting trip in Namibia and after four weeks, we duly obtained our mineral export permits in Windhoek. When we eventually reached the Namibia/Botswana border, I showed the export permit to the Customs official at the Namibian border post. This lady then asked me what she was supposed to do with the export permit. I answered her by informing her that she had to carefully read the two pages, tben sign it on the back and send it back to the Ministry of Mines in Windhoek. "Where is my Official Free Envelope?" she wanted to know. My answer was that this was not my problem but hers. She then sent out a Customs official to look at the minerals we were taking home. I opened the luggage compartment of the car, hauled out a specimen of fluorite from Okorusu. Upon noticing the blank stare on his face I asked him if he knew what this was? "No" he replied and then I went ahead to explain to him that it was fluorite and sometimes it was ground to a fine powder and added to toothpaste. "Oh, so you are driving to Johannesburg (South Africa) to sell it to the toothpaste factory!" was his reply. I was then allowed through Customs and border control. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "P.C. Hulley" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs Namibian crossing! >> I could also relate a hilarious incident on how I managed to take some >> fluorite from Okorusu (Namibia) across the border. > > Hi Horst > > Please do! > Hildagarde > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Horst Windisch > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Unified customs code for repair > andreturnofitemsinternationally? >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bassmeister_2000 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 04:12:29 2005 From: bassmeister_2000 at yahoo.com (Joe Mulvey) Date: Sat Mar 12 04:12:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation Message-ID: <20050312121229.47518.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I will be doing a mineral presentation to about 14 or 15 Brownies for their Boy Scout equivalent of a merit badge. The girls are, I think, 7 - 10 years old. I was thinking of trying to assemble packages of 5 - 10 specimens, crystals or colorful with a nice cleavedside, preferably. These would not be ID'd to them. I would have a posterboard with say 20 minerals described mineral basics and have them try to determine what they were holding in their hands. Maybe a flow chart ID method. Of course they keep all the specimens and I would tell them what they had if they couldn't figure it out themselves. I was also going to jump on e-bay and try to pick up 2 dozen Keokuk-area geodes, one for each, and break them in our driveway. The Brownie leader first wanted me to bring the girls collecting. I felt that was awfully risky, that we'd spend more time driving than collecting and if we didn't find anything good in the first 5 minutes, all attention would be lost. Does anybody have any thoughts, suggestions or similar experience? I remember reading on this list the adventures of somebody who frequently captured the hearts and minds of elementary classes. If anyone was willing to donate 15 of something to the cause, I could pay shipping and send a thank you note. Thanks for any input, this list is great! Regards, Joe Joe Mulvey Nashua, NH -- USA http://www.lostandfoundproject.com http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From LarryRush at worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 12 06:57:50 2005 From: LarryRush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Mar 12 06:56:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation References: <20050312121229.47518.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004f01c52713$dd330f20$35924c0c@fekib> Joe: I have found that samples of almost anything are most appreciated by the kids. I give mica book specimens out to classes and they are very popular. I first explain how it was used as window glass by the early settlers here in New England, and this stimulates their curiosity. Mica is common here in the pegmatite dumps, so it is easy to collect in large sheets. They are also fascinated by the ease by which it splits into transparent sheets, and mess up the classroom in a hurry, much to every teachers dismay! I also show them specimens of bright color and some of good form to show the diversity and beauty of crystals, which is a hit. A third thing which gets to them is to have them guess how much of the material in their classroom comes originally from minerals, such as window glass, pencil carbon, chalk, cement block , steel chairs, ad infinitum. Anything which stimulates their imagination encourages them. One can only hope some of it "sticks" and results in a life-long curiosity about minerals! Best of luck.......Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Mulvey To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation Hi All, I will be doing a mineral presentation to about 14 or 15 Brownies for their Boy Scout equivalent of a merit badge. The girls are, I think, 7 - 10 years old. I was thinking of trying to assemble packages of 5 - 10 specimens, crystals or colorful with a nice cleavedside, preferably. These would not be ID'd to them. I would have a posterboard with say 20 minerals described mineral basics and have them try to determine what they were holding in their hands. Maybe a flow chart ID method. Of course they keep all the specimens and I would tell them what they had if they couldn't figure it out themselves. I was also going to jump on e-bay and try to pick up 2 dozen Keokuk-area geodes, one for each, and break them in our driveway. The Brownie leader first wanted me to bring the girls collecting. I felt that was awfully risky, that we'd spend more time driving than collecting and if we didn't find anything good in the first 5 minutes, all attention would be lost. Does anybody have any thoughts, suggestions or similar experience? I remember reading on this list the adventures of somebody who frequently captured the hearts and minds of elementary classes. If anyone was willing to donate 15 of something to the cause, I could pay shipping and send a thank you note. Thanks for any input, this list is great! Regards, Joe Joe Mulvey Nashua, NH -- USA http://www.lostandfoundproject.com http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.3 - Release Date: 12/21/04 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 08:24:06 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Mar 12 08:24:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... Message-ID: <20050312162406.89339.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Kreigh: Thanks for the IRIS map! I love the way you can see historic earthquake events around the various plates! Here's a link to another earthquake map, with links on the first page to other maps. The map itself is a set of links to get more details on a specific 'quake or a different map with other 'quakes. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ There's something interesting (and a little scary) going on west of the coast near the border between Oregon and California... JR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sat Mar 12 09:51:37 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat Mar 12 09:49:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... In-Reply-To: <20050312162406.89339.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yikes! That is very interesting, and as you said, scary! Do we know if those are occurring on a major fault or a plate boundary? Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of J. R. Hodel Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:24 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... Hey, Kreigh: Thanks for the IRIS map! I love the way you can see historic earthquake events around the various plates! Here's a link to another earthquake map, with links on the first page to other maps. The map itself is a set of links to get more details on a specific 'quake or a different map with other 'quakes. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ There's something interesting (and a little scary) going on west of the coast near the border between Oregon and California... JR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From k.conroy at worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 12 09:54:19 2005 From: k.conroy at worldnet.att.net (Kevin Conroy) Date: Sat Mar 12 09:54:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District References: <200503120200.j2C20sbM001224@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <00d501c526f1$61a62760$2eeaa5d8@rock5> Message-ID: <002e01c5272c$84885a60$258d4a0c@kcmins> Hi! I can add a bit to this. I used to go collecting with Chink 3 to 4 times a year, for several years. I still have several specimens that I collected on those trips, and wish I still had many of those that I let go of. Chink would lead underground (fortunately every time I went collecting the jeep was working!), and his father would run the hoist. We would take the ride in the bucket (that was attached to a metal cable, and hooked to a hoist) you mentioned, and at an arranged time would be back at the shaft to be lifted out again. One time we got done collecting, arrived at the bottom of the shaft at the appointed time, called for the bucket to pick us up, then nothing! We waited, and waited, and waited, then waited some more. FINALLY, after literally a few hours, here came the bucket. We got in and started the ride up. I should mention here that the "safety" method for knowing when to slow down and stop the bucket at the right level consisted of painted portions on the metal cable. Anyway, we were moving at a pretty good pace up the shaft, which was of no concern. What was a concern was we noticed we weren't slowing down as it was getting light (because we were nearing the top of the shaft), and we REALLY got "concerned" when we saw the ground go by as we were still rocketing toward the hoist! Fortunately our request for help (which consisted of yelling and screaming at the top of our lungs to STOP!) was heard just in time. After we unloaded from the bucket we found out the Chink's father had been out drinking (heavily), lost track of time, and had obviously missed the mark on the cable showing when to slow down and stop our assent! Some of the mineral pockets we collected in were truly impressive. There's a well known photo of Boodle Lane standing in a similar pocket; very large room sized and filled with calcite crystals up to about 3 feet long. The same sized pockets are/were present in the mines of the Viburnum Trend, Southern Illinois, and Elmwood Mining Districts. But I stray.... Chink would go underground through his mine shaft, but he would drive for miles underground. This meant he obviously wasn't on his property anymore. He would dig anywhere that he found ore or crystals, and would often blast in doing so. The mines in the Tri-State District weren't very deep to begin with, and as they began to fill with water the collecting/prospecting moved to the uppermost levels of the mines. So.... when he blasted sometimes it could be felt by those living above the mine workings. It didn't take long for folks to find out who was behind this. However, this isn't why Chink went "missing". He liked to gamble and chase women. Not necessarily bad things in their own right, but unfortunately he chose to, um..., "date" some married women. Picher, Oklahoma is a small town, and as what happens in many small towns it's hard to keep a secret like that for long. Chink was found at the bottom of his mine shaft. He had been shot, and he still had a wallet full of cash so robbery was definitely not the motive. Chances are one of the husbands took great offence to his behavior and ended it permanently. All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District > Dear Don, > In my youth I spent a couple of days in the Tri State District on my way > back east to take a job mixing chemicals for a large company. At that time > the hey day of mining was over in the district and only one large mine was > still operating in the district and they were pumping some of the water that > would have otherwise fllooded the mines and has subseuqently done so. > Rosenbury was still selling minerals or at least his widow was. Boodle Lane > had been gone for a few years before I arrived but there was a "highgrader" > by the name of Chink Enders that was running a little salvage operation near > Pitcher, Oklahoma and I made a deal with him to take me underground. It > boiled down to riding a bucket down into one of the mines where he turned me > loose to collect what I could. He apologized that his little desel powere > jeep was broken and he really could not take me much of anywhere. The mines > were huge underground and you could easily get lost in them if you were not > careful. He said at one time you could drive fifty or sixty miles > underground to various mines in various states and I don't doubt it. Even > them some parts of the mine were flooded. I remember looking through a hole > into a living room size cave full of big calcite crystals. I collected three > peach baskets full of calcite and galena speicmens and was well satisfied > with my haul. I used to wonder what happened to the hundreds of tons of > specimens that the district produced. Now I know they mostly got dirty, > broken and thrown away. Even in its inactive state, there were more > specimens there in the walls than an army of collectors could collect. They > are still down there, and I am sure that when the price of lead and zinc is > high enough some of the mines will be opened again. During the Second World > war, many of the big surface dumps were remilled and all the big rocks were > broken down into pea gravel sizes and even those dumps were being hauled > away for road metal. Today I think would have to search hard for any > sizeable dump. A whole way of life that developed around the mines is not > gone but the memories of it are still kept alive by the various historical > societies in the area. No one knows what happened to Chink Enders. A lot of > people in the area didn't like him because they thought he robbed pillers in > the mines and was not well liked. Some think that he was dropped down a mine > shaft. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 10:39:38 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Mar 12 10:39:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saturday survey testers? In-Reply-To: <200503120200.j2C20sbL001224@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050312183939.24343.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Hi rockhounds, The rockhounds survey draft is done. Thanks to everyone for on-line and off-line comments and suggestions. I need a couple testers who can run thru it today (saturday March 12) and give me feedback by early tomorrow morning (sunday March 13). The Survey will be live tomorrow for everyone to take. Saturday Testers: Please time yourself to see how long it takes you to finish. It took me 8 minutes with brief answers on the open-ended questions, and using a 46K dial up connection. Please note any irregularities or illogic and drop me an email at tangojuli@yahoo.com. It would be great to have a dealer and a collector take it. thanks for your help, tina http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From kadok at infowest.com Sat Mar 12 10:40:06 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Mar 12 10:40:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] USGS Earthquake site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050312184542.CC46A799B4@delivery.infowest.com> Hey, that's pretty neat! You can see at a glance how the quakes are spreading out as each fault adjusts to the changes in the adjacent ones, etc. Margaret I spotted this on a blog I read (oddly enough its by a group of law school profs). I don't know if it's been mentioned before but its a live map of the world showing earthquakes: http://www.iris.edu/seismon/ Bryan _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 10:55:38 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Mar 12 10:55:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] P.S. survey beta testers In-Reply-To: <200503120200.j2C20sbL001224@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050312185538.27237.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> beta testers- an addendum to my last email soliciting beta testers: if you will be a survey tester, please skip the questions on the survey like income, etc. The responses today are not part of the official collection and are not being saved. The beta test is more to look at flow and logic of answers & responses (and obvious typos). thanks again! tina tangojuli@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From MCGINNISG at aol.com Sat Mar 12 11:06:21 2005 From: MCGINNISG at aol.com (MCGINNISG@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 12 11:06:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: California Collecting: Message-ID: <1b8.edc1411.2f6497ad@aol.com> Try this website: _http://www.vgms.org/_ (http://www.vgms.org/) They should be able to answer all of your questions. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Mar 12 11:08:49 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Mar 12 11:08:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Saturday survey testers? In-Reply-To: <20050312183939.24343.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Voila, done! Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens tango juli Verzonden: zaterdag 12 maart 2005 19:40 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Saturday survey testers? Hi rockhounds, The rockhounds survey draft is done. Thanks to everyone for on-line and off-line comments and suggestions. I need a couple testers who can run thru it today (saturday March 12) and give me feedback by early tomorrow morning (sunday March 13). The Survey will be live tomorrow for everyone to take. Saturday Testers: Please time yourself to see how long it takes you to finish. It took me 8 minutes with brief answers on the open-ended questions, and using a 46K dial up connection. Please note any irregularities or illogic and drop me an email at tangojuli@yahoo.com. It would be great to have a dealer and a collector take it. thanks for your help, tina http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 15:49:43 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 12 15:49:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours Message-ID: Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may want to check it out: http://highwayswest.com/ The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper out there. Bryan From agesilaus at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 15:53:47 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 12 15:53:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] NASA World Wind Message-ID: OK since you liked the USGS site you may want to try this one: http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ Some warnings: 1) It is Windows only 2) It is a BIG download- 175 MB 3) It needs a big pipe to feed it, at least DSL or Cable Modem. Forget about dialup 4) It needs a fairly fast computer with a good video card. It runs well on my 2.4 GHz system with a 256 MB Nvidia card. I wouldn't even think about putting it on my daughters hand-me-down 550 MHz But if you can run it you'll get this NASA software which will let you zoom in from space to anywhere on the globe. It uses landsat, USGS imagery, TOPO maps, and MODIS data to mention some. I could zoom in from 8000 km out to 200 meters over my house. This is an open source project which is being extended by a lot of people. It has some Norwegian data for example. The quality of the view depends on how much data is available so I don't know how well it will do in Namibia for example. Oh yes the documentation is very poor. Be warned it is semi-adictive. For the computer professionals you might want to listen to the audio show by the developers at dotnetrocks.com Enjoy, Bryan From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Mar 12 14:46:31 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Mar 12 16:46:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation References: <20050312121229.47518.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c52755$5bdada60$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Hi Joe, I checked out the Lost and Found Project and you've totally blown my image of a typical bass player! Most I've met are currently in jail (rooming with the drummer) and you're teaching Brownies! :-) (I play sax so I should talk!) Anyway, I think Larry has some good advice and if you'll send me your address, I'll ship off some Idaho mica and whatever I can put together. When is your presentation? John Siebel Santa, ID john@pandemoniumgraphics.com www.pandemoniumgraphics.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Mulvey" > Hi All, > I will be doing a mineral presentation to about 14 or 15 > Brownies for their Boy Scout equivalent of a merit badge. From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sat Mar 12 18:38:47 2005 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sat Mar 12 18:38:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report Message-ID: <410-22005301323847707@earthlink.net> I agree with you Jeanette. Thanks, John for providing so many images of the Tucson Show. For me, this is the only way I have been able to experience the show through these reports and pictures since I have never been there. My work schedule has precluded me from attending in the past. But, I am hopeful that maybe next year I can finally attend one. Mark > [Original Message] > From: Jeanette Wimpee > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 3/6/2005 7:11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report > > What can anyone say..but.....WOW! > Jeanette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John and Gloria Cornish" > To: "Drizzle" > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:45 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] 2005 Tucson Show Report > > > > 3/6/2005 > > > > 2005 Tucson Show Report > > > > By John Cornish > > j&gcornish@tenforward.com > > > > > > Hey, this is great. Do you have a yen for adventure? Do you like the > > thrill of the extreme? You do! All right, boy do I have a challenge for > > you! It's a toughie though. Here your grit will be tested, your mettle; > > the quality of your spirit and your courage, will be weighed. It's a 24- > > 7 romp that'll take your breath away. This little marathon, this little > > adventure race will take you 27 days to complete and will cover 3959 > > miles (6446 km)... are you still game? If so, read on dear friend, this > > is my 2005 Tucson Show Report! > > > > See you next year everyone. Be safe and all the very best, > > > > John > > > > PS As a final little hurrah, please consider looking at the following > > Tucson Show Report links we've found in cruising the net which, in > > addition to Scott's link above, mention our show this year. These > > reports come with pictures too! Thanks everyone, take care, see ya! > > > > > > http://www.gamineral.org/t04-innsuites.html > > > > http://www.webmineralshop.com/articoli/tucson05/tucson2005_30.htm > > > > http://www.thefossilgeode.com/tucsonshow.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From afox at drizzle.com Sat Mar 12 19:07:06 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sat Mar 12 19:07:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... In-Reply-To: <20050312162406.89339.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > There's something interesting (and a little scary) > going on west of the coast near the border between > Oregon and California... They are most likely earthquakes associated with undersea eruptions along the Juan De Fuca Ridge. A combination of magma movement tremors, water-rock interactions, and movements along local faults accomodating the expansion that goes on where new rocks are created. Nothing to get excited about (unless you're a graduate student studying seismology...:-) a. From kahako at verizon.net Sat Mar 12 19:11:42 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Mar 12 19:11:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation In-Reply-To: <20050312121229.47518.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050312121229.47518.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050312154109.025cd140@incoming.verizon.net> Joe, Here's a list of topics that was brainstormed by some of my high school students (my "regulars" who have attended many of my presentations) to present to elementary age kids to get them turned on. They suggested starting by saying to the kids "Did you ride in a car today? Did you use the rest room? Did you see your mom put on makeup? Did you take a vitamin pill? Did you look through a glass window? Did you use a computer or listen to a radio? Then you have rocks and minerals to thank for that!" Then they made the following list: What can rocks and minerals do? Make you sick or kill: arsenic, radiation, mercury Heal: minerals (iron, zinc, copper), radiation & chemo therapy Flow: lava Grow: crystals Double refraction Cosmetics Magnetic Value (gold, diamonds) Clay--ceramics (toilets, coffee mugs), insulators for spark plugs (cars), & power poles (electricity) Oil & gasoline (fossil fuels, coal) Glass Pencils (graphite), chalk Sandpaper, emery boards Farming & food Quartz crystals naturally vibrate so they are the timekeepers in all electronics Silicon in transistors (cell phones, radios) Atomic bombs & energy plants (uranium) FLUORESCENCE: Light: colors are different kinds of light Radio & TV waves X-ray Ultraviolet: tanning spas, Halloween & disco I have since used these ideas with kids age 9 to 12 and they worked well. The most popular "handouts" I gave the kids were mica, pyrite, quartz crystal, and a tumble-polished "anything." To REALLY knock kids socks off a fluorescent mineral show is perfect! You probably are not prepared to do a full-on fluorescent mineral presentation, but you might have access to a simple "Black Light" long wave lamp and some pieces of fluorite. You can get a "Black Light" bulb that will fit in an ordinary table lamp at Wal*Mart, or a tube and fixture at a store that sells stuff for parties and Halloween. Then all you need is some fluorite (most will fluoresce under LW) and maybe some meionite (wernerite), and hackmanite. You can get starter kits of 6 LW specimens for about $18 from: http://www.fluorescentminerals.com/childrenskit.html and: http://www.gslrocks.com/starterkits.htm Perhaps the best deal is a kit with 10 specimens, a LW light with batteries included, and an instruction book, for $49 including postage (US) from: http://www.polmanminerals.com/polmankit.htm I got one of the above kits as a Christmas present for my young niece and now she is completely hooked! I'm not representing George Polman in any way, but I can attest that his kit is excellent, and I think fairly priced. I found that when young kids ask what causes fluorescence a good way to explain it is to say that things react to different things that touch them in different ways. "For example, if I throw a paper airplane at that window, what will happen? Now if I throw a rock at it, what will happen? The glass responds differently to the paper than to the rock. So certain minerals respond differently to this special light than to regular light." Aloha, Kitty At 02:12 AM 3/12/2005, you wrote: >Hi All, >I will be doing a mineral presentation to about 14 or 15 >Brownies for their Boy Scout equivalent of a merit badge. > >The girls are, I think, 7 - 10 years old. I was thinking of >trying to assemble packages of 5 - 10 specimens, crystals or >colorful with a nice cleavedside, preferably. These would not be >ID'd to them. I would have a posterboard with say 20 minerals >described mineral basics and have them try to determine what >they were holding in their hands. Maybe a flow chart ID method. > >Of course they keep all the specimens and I would tell them what >they had if they couldn't figure it out themselves. > >I was also going to jump on e-bay and try to pick up 2 dozen >Keokuk-area geodes, one for each, and break them in our >driveway. > >The Brownie leader first wanted me to bring the girls >collecting. I felt that was awfully risky, that we'd spend more >time driving than collecting and if we didn't find anything good >in the first 5 minutes, all attention would be lost. > >Does anybody have any thoughts, suggestions or similar >experience? I remember reading on this list the adventures of >somebody who frequently captured the hearts and minds of >elementary classes. > >If anyone was willing to donate 15 of something to the cause, I >could pay shipping and send a thank you note. > >Thanks for any input, this list is great! >Regards, >Joe > > > >Joe Mulvey >Nashua, NH -- USA >http://www.lostandfoundproject.com >http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Make Yahoo! your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 12 19:29:11 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Mar 12 19:29:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] specimens for kids-Joe Mulvey In-Reply-To: <200503130201.j2D21buf003231@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050313032911.72865.qmail@web60809.mail.yahoo.com> joe, I have a couple lbs of cranberry and barbie pink halite (salt hopper crystals) from Searles Lake that I can break into individual 1" crystals for you. I can also give you crinoid stems--a fossil--if you want. I have enough to give you 15 of each. If you are intersted, drop me an email off line. tangojuli@yahoo.com. tina __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 12 19:42:38 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 12 19:43:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... References: <20050312162406.89339.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5277e$b409f080$04000100@CMC3101861A> Apparently there's a lot of activity off the coast there. Here's a link to the history of seismicity in that area. Just the quakes from 1990 to the present fill in the whole fault line. http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_viae_h.html Do we have a nervous little planet, or what? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... > Hey, Kreigh: > > Thanks for the IRIS map! I love the way you can see > historic earthquake events around the various plates! > > Here's a link to another earthquake map, with links on > the first page to other maps. The map itself is a set > of links to get more details on a specific 'quake or a > different map with other 'quakes. > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ > > There's something interesting (and a little scary) > going on west of the coast near the border between > Oregon and California... > > JR > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 12 21:03:44 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sat Mar 12 20:52:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... References: <20050312162406.89339.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> <002a01c5277e$b409f080$04000100@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <001501c5278a$09c1e7c0$e2a5490c@pete> I looked at that earthquake map too, it's pretty neat, all the quakes. I think most people don't know (and those who do, tend to sort of forget), that we have a real live subduction zone and a real live mid-ocean ridge rift zone, right off our very own coast (and Canada, too). Which accounts, of course (the former of these), for our own real live volcanoes. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... > Apparently there's a lot of activity off the coast there. Here's a link to > the history of seismicity in that area. Just the quakes from 1990 to the > present fill in the whole fault line. > http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_viae_h.html > Do we have a nervous little planet, or what? > Jeanette > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. R. Hodel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:24 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake maps... > > > > Hey, Kreigh: > > > > Thanks for the IRIS map! I love the way you can see > > historic earthquake events around the various plates! > > > > Here's a link to another earthquake map, with links on > > the first page to other maps. The map itself is a set > > of links to get more details on a specific 'quake or a > > different map with other 'quakes. > > > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ > > > > There's something interesting (and a little scary) > > going on west of the coast near the border between > > Oregon and California... > > > > JR > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 12 21:05:31 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 12 21:06:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] NASA World Wind References: Message-ID: <007701c5278a$4823e810$04000100@CMC3101861A> That's right up my alley. I've been addicted to Terraserver, Topozone and Terrafly too since forever. It is so COOL! I take virtual trips over the terrain of places I've been, places I'm going to, and places I'd like to go to. Besides my house and everybody elses. Back when Terraserver was really free, and you could go down to 1m, I zoomed along my favorite canoeing creek, collected all 14 miles of it in .gifs and stitched the whole thing together. Printed out it was more than 8 feet long and I gave it to the people at the canoe rental. But now we know exactly where our favorite camping sandbar is and what's really on the other side of the forest behind the bar. And there are rocks in Northwest Florida. There's a neat outcropping of sandstone that runs across Coldwater Creek in only one place. It makes nice shoals when the water is low enough. Jeanette And of course we checked out Kilauea on a virtual fly-by. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] NASA World Wind > OK since you liked the USGS site you may want to try this one: > > http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ > > Some warnings: > 1) It is Windows only > 2) It is a BIG download- 175 MB > 3) It needs a big pipe to feed it, at least DSL or Cable Modem. Forget > about dialup > 4) It needs a fairly fast computer with a good video card. It runs > well on my 2.4 GHz system with a 256 MB Nvidia card. I wouldn't even > think about putting it on my daughters hand-me-down 550 MHz > > But if you can run it you'll get this NASA software which will let you > zoom in from space to anywhere on the globe. It uses landsat, USGS > imagery, TOPO maps, and MODIS data to mention some. I could zoom in > from 8000 km out to 200 meters over my house. This is an open source > project which is being extended by a lot of people. It has some > Norwegian data for example. The quality of the view depends on how > much data is available so I don't know how well it will do in Namibia > for example. > > Oh yes the documentation is very poor. > > Be warned it is semi-adictive. For the computer professionals you > might want to listen to the audio show by the developers at > dotnetrocks.com > > Enjoy, > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 12 21:13:43 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 12 21:13:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation References: <20050312121229.47518.qmail@web20027.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050312154109.025cd140@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <4233CBFC.6AC0@Tomaszewski.net> Joe, If you can't grow it, you have to mine it; plants do their own mining, and take care of feeding you, and the animals you grow. Some processing is assummed (mined or grown). Think about all the things you used today. Which ones were mined? Which ones were grown? I'll bet 'mined' wins. To understand the world you live in, you need to know about rocks and minerals. Connect your rocks and minerals to everyday things to catch a kid's curiosity, imagination, and interest; connect your rocks and minerals to historical times, events, and locations. BTW, I think the best time to catch kids is around second grade, but reinforcement in Jr High really helps; exposing kid's to Rockhounding at any age never hurts, and you never know when some random fact will connect to some kid. I never cease to be amazed at where the Rockhound hobby has taken me in learning about how rocks and minerals are formed and used; each new mineral opens new learning. Communicate your excitement about Rockhounding and you will be a hit at any age. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Joe, > > Here's a list of topics that was brainstormed by some of my high school > students (my "regulars" who have attended many of my presentations) to > present to elementary age kids to get them turned on. They suggested > starting by saying to the kids "Did you ride in a car today? Did you use > the rest room? Did you see your mom put on makeup? Did you take a vitamin > pill? Did you look through a glass window? Did you use a computer or > listen to a radio? Then you have rocks and minerals to thank for > that!" Then they made the following list: > > What can rocks and minerals do? > Make you sick or kill: arsenic, radiation, mercury > Heal: minerals (iron, zinc, copper), radiation & chemo therapy > Flow: lava > Grow: crystals > Double refraction > Cosmetics > Magnetic > Value (gold, diamonds) > Clay--ceramics (toilets, coffee mugs), insulators for spark plugs (cars), & > power poles (electricity) > Oil & gasoline (fossil fuels, coal) > Glass > Pencils (graphite), chalk > Sandpaper, emery boards > Farming & food > Quartz crystals naturally vibrate so they are the timekeepers in all > electronics > Silicon in transistors (cell phones, radios) > Atomic bombs & energy plants (uranium) > FLUORESCENCE: > Light: colors are different kinds of light > Radio & TV waves > X-ray > Ultraviolet: tanning spas, Halloween & disco > > I have since used these ideas with kids age 9 to 12 and they worked > well. The most popular "handouts" I gave the kids were mica, pyrite, > quartz crystal, and a tumble-polished "anything." > > To REALLY knock kids socks off a fluorescent mineral show is perfect! You > probably are not prepared to do a full-on fluorescent mineral presentation, > but you might have access to a simple "Black Light" long wave lamp and some > pieces of fluorite. You can get a "Black Light" bulb that will fit in an > ordinary table lamp at Wal*Mart, or a tube and fixture at a store that > sells stuff for parties and Halloween. Then all you need is some fluorite > (most will fluoresce under LW) and maybe some meionite (wernerite), and > hackmanite. > > You can get starter kits of 6 LW specimens for about $18 from: > > http://www.fluorescentminerals.com/childrenskit.html > > and: > > http://www.gslrocks.com/starterkits.htm > > Perhaps the best deal is a kit with 10 specimens, a LW light with batteries > included, and an instruction book, for $49 including postage (US) from: > > http://www.polmanminerals.com/polmankit.htm > > I got one of the above kits as a Christmas present for my young niece and > now she is completely hooked! I'm not representing George Polman in any > way, but I can attest that his kit is excellent, and I think fairly priced. > > I found that when young kids ask what causes fluorescence a good way to > explain it is to say that things react to different things that touch them > in different ways. "For example, if I throw a paper airplane at that > window, what will happen? Now if I throw a rock at it, what will > happen? The glass responds differently to the paper than to the rock. So > certain minerals respond differently to this special light than to regular > light." > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 02:12 AM 3/12/2005, you wrote: > >Hi All, > >I will be doing a mineral presentation to about 14 or 15 > >Brownies for their Boy Scout equivalent of a merit badge. > > > >The girls are, I think, 7 - 10 years old. I was thinking of > >trying to assemble packages of 5 - 10 specimens, crystals or > >colorful with a nice cleavedside, preferably. These would not be > >ID'd to them. I would have a posterboard with say 20 minerals > >described mineral basics and have them try to determine what > >they were holding in their hands. Maybe a flow chart ID method. > > > >Of course they keep all the specimens and I would tell them what > >they had if they couldn't figure it out themselves. > > > >I was also going to jump on e-bay and try to pick up 2 dozen > >Keokuk-area geodes, one for each, and break them in our > >driveway. > > > >The Brownie leader first wanted me to bring the girls > >collecting. I felt that was awfully risky, that we'd spend more > >time driving than collecting and if we didn't find anything good > >in the first 5 minutes, all attention would be lost. > > > >Does anybody have any thoughts, suggestions or similar > >experience? I remember reading on this list the adventures of > >somebody who frequently captured the hearts and minds of > >elementary classes. > > > >If anyone was willing to donate 15 of something to the cause, I > >could pay shipping and send a thank you note. > > > >Thanks for any input, this list is great! > >Regards, > >Joe > > > > > > > >Joe Mulvey > >Nashua, NH -- USA > >http://www.lostandfoundproject.com > >http://home.comcast.net/~mgag1 From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 12 21:34:18 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 12 21:35:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] NASA World Wind References: Message-ID: <007a01c5278e$4d9b2660$04000100@CMC3101861A> How is World Wind different from Terraserver's views? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] NASA World Wind > OK since you liked the USGS site you may want to try this one: > > http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ > > Some warnings: > 1) It is Windows only > 2) It is a BIG download- 175 MB > 3) It needs a big pipe to feed it, at least DSL or Cable Modem. Forget > about dialup > 4) It needs a fairly fast computer with a good video card. It runs > well on my 2.4 GHz system with a 256 MB Nvidia card. I wouldn't even > think about putting it on my daughters hand-me-down 550 MHz > > But if you can run it you'll get this NASA software which will let you > zoom in from space to anywhere on the globe. It uses landsat, USGS > imagery, TOPO maps, and MODIS data to mention some. I could zoom in > from 8000 km out to 200 meters over my house. This is an open source > project which is being extended by a lot of people. It has some > Norwegian data for example. The quality of the view depends on how > much data is available so I don't know how well it will do in Namibia > for example. > > Oh yes the documentation is very poor. > > Be warned it is semi-adictive. For the computer professionals you > might want to listen to the audio show by the developers at > dotnetrocks.com > > Enjoy, > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From everbeek at nac.net Sun Mar 13 05:39:02 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Sun Mar 13 05:39:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050312154109.025cd140@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <002101c527d2$0534f7e0$b9e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Hi Kitty and Kreigh and others, I'm really impressed with the wonderful suggestions from list members on how to make rocks and minerals interesting to children. This lies at the core of what we do here at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum in New Jersey. The material below is a little long, but it's an example of the type of information we present to children and teachers during some of our workshops. I thought I'd send it along in hopes that some of you might find it useful. Caveat: This is an evolving draft. Please alert me to any errors you may find. Thanks! Cheers- Earl Verbeek - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sterling Hill Institute of Geosciences March 2004 WHAT'S IN IT? HOW IS IT MADE? We are now in our third generation of people who are largely disconnected from the land around them. The original settlers who came to this country felled the trees, cleared the land, tilled the soil, and quarried rock. Settlements sprang up around deposits of iron, zinc, and copper, which provided employment and raw materials for the miners, blacksmiths, and workers in the rolling, stamping, and slitting mills that made products from these metals. Your ancestors five generations back likely made their own candles and clothes, used coal or wood for heat, and dug their own wells for water. These days, however, few of us are directly engaged in mining or manufacturing, let alone making our own clothes and shoveling coal into a furnace. Whenever we need something, we simply go out and buy it. When we want heat, we turn up the thermostat. What we've gained in convenience we've lost in knowledge. Should you doubt this, ask any ten of your friends what raw materials are used to make glass, or a dinner plate, or a computer, and you will see what we mean. No longer are we close to the Earth in anything but the literal sense. For this reason we ask nearly every visitor to the Sterling Hill Mining Museum the following question: Can you name any product you've used in the last two weeks, a product manufactured by man, that did not somehow involve mining in its production? The goal is not to glorify mining, but merely to explore how much mining affects our daily lives. Like it or not, the answer to that question is: nothing. Below we list broad categories of products that we use in our daily lives, and explain how mining is necessary to bring those products to you. In later documents we will address the environmental consequences of mining and the steps we might take to reduce our demand for raw materials taken from the Earth. Metal Products With very few exceptions, wherever metal is part of a product we use, or was part of the machinery used to manufacture that product, the metal came from a mine. Our houses contain copper pipes and wire, iron nails and screws, aluminum window frames, and tungsten in our light bulbs. Our cars contain zinc (in carburetors, fuel pumps, and tires), iron (as steel, for the frame and body), copper (wires), lead (in the battery), mercury (the reflective part of the mirrors), chromium (as plating on door handles, hubcaps, mirrors, etc), and strontium (the flares in the trunk). The light from many of our televisions and computer monitors comes from compounds of metals that some people have never heard of, but nevertheless use every day. Our streets are lit at night by sodium and mercury vapor lamps. We wear jewelry composed of gold, silver, platinum, copper, or brass (an alloy of copper and zinc). Some of us have gold-capped teeth and mercury-based fillings in our mouths, or even artificial knee and hip joints made of titanium. Metals are such a pervasive part of our daily lives that it is hard to imagine what life would be like without them--we would, after all, have to go back to the Stone Age. Nevertheless, many people seem not to realize the connection between metals and mining. Plastic Products The raw material for nearly all plastics is either oil or coal. In an average home you're likely to find many products made from plastic: drinking glasses and coffee cups, dinner plates, the containers for a variety of household products (milk, shampoo, glues, pills, detergents, leftover food), and trash and garbage cans merely begin the list. The bodies of radios, lightweight camera housings, computer monitors, and televisions likewise are made from plastic. The list of plastic products used in our daily lives seems almost endless, yet all began either with an oil well or a coal mine. Ceramic Products Dinner plates, flower pots, coffee cups, electrical insulators, false teeth, spark plugs, wall tile, crockery--these are only a few of the things that are made from ceramic materials. The base material for most types of ceramics is either clay (from a clay pit) or ground-up silicate minerals such as plagioclase and orthoclase feldspar, wollastonite, tremolite, anthophyllite, and talc, all of which come from mines. New uses are being discovered for ceramics every year, but most are not well known to the general public; possible exceptions are the several new types of ceramic magnets that are now in widespread use to affix objects to our refrigerators. Meanwhile, it is a sobering thought that the finest Staffordshire china and the most beautiful Ming vases are products of humble clay pits. Glass Products Glass, whether used for windows, drinking glasses, eyeglasses, bottles, or TV and computer screens, is totally a product of mining. The soda-lime glass most widely used for commercial products contains silica (either from a sand pit or a sandstone quarry), trona (from a trona mine), limestone (from a limestone quarry), and feldspar (from mines, again). The feldspar provides the alumina to strengthen the glass. Decorative glassware sold as "lead crystal" owes its heaviness and sparkle to lead, another mining product. Moreover, the pigments for colored glass typically are mining products as well, as anyone who has studied the manufacture of stained-glass windows in churches can attest. Iron, cobalt, manganese, or gold produce green, blue, violet, and red glass, respectively. All four of these metals, plus more, come from mines; there is no other commercial source. Wood, Paper, and Cardboard Products The raw material for anything made of wood, paper, or cardboard is trees. Certainly we don't mine trees, nor in decades past did we plant them--we simply harvested what Mother Nature had provided us. Nevertheless, mining plays a large role in the manufacture of the wood, paper, and cardboard products that we use every day. First, one has to cut the trees down. The blade of the saw or the head of the axe came from an iron mine. If a chain saw was used, it too has a metal blade, its plastic housing is a petrochemical product from oil wells, and it runs on gasoline and oil, two more petrochemical products. Then, in order to make things like wood studs and plywood for houses, wood veneer for furniture, or toothpicks for our meals, the wood has to be sawn to size (metal blades) or peeled into thin sheets for plywood and veneers (metal blades again). The adhesives used for these latter two products are petrochemicals made from oil. Wood treated for outdoor use employs a host of preservatives, all of which contain components from the mining industry: creosote, for example, is derived from coal, and the chromium and arsenic used in pressure-treated wood are products of mines as well. To manufacture paper and cardboard one has first to mash the wood to separate it into fibers. This involves heavy machinery, the metal for which came from mines. Fibers for the print industry are then soaked in sulfuric acid to bleach them (the sulfur is extracted from the caprock of subsurface salt domes), and additional chemical baths are necessary if one wishes to neutralize the acid to make archival-quality paper. The shiny, heavy paper used in oversized "coffee table" books owes its shininess and heaviness to clay, which is added to fill the pores in the paper so the print will make a clean impression--that is, inks do not bleed into clay-impregnated paper, so the print is crisper and the photographs more detailed. Textiles Textiles, which go into our clothes, drapes, bed linens, tablecloths, and blankets, can be divided into two groups: natural and synthetic. Both involve mining in their manufacture. Let's consider natural textiles first. The principal ones are cotton and wool. Even if we discount the metal tractors that are used to prepare the cotton fields and plant the seed, and the phosphate rock in the fertilizer, and the petrochemical products in the insecticides--that is, even if we pretend that a truckload of freshly picked cotton owes nothing to mining--we can't go from raw cotton to a cotton shirt without involving mining-related products every step of the way. The cotton has first to be cleaned and spun into thread. The thread has to be woven into cloth, and the cloth then has to be dyed, cut, and finally sewn into garments. Every one of these processes involves metal machinery and the gasoline (from oil) or electricity (from coal) to power it. Even if you make your own clothes, what do you think your sewing machine and needles are made of? Similar arguments can be made for woolen clothes, starting with the metal shears that are used to shear the sheep. Synthetic fabrics, meanwhile, are even more directly a product of mining. Nylon, rayon, and polyester are all made from either oil or coal. Agricultural and Horticultural Products Almost all nations produce a significant part of their food supply through agriculture. Think of all the food plants we grow in the United States: corn, wheat, oats, barley, lettuce, broccoli, tomatoes, various types of beans, potatoes, carrots, garlic, radishes, peanuts, and dozens upon dozens more. Other agricultural plants are grown for their fibers (cotton and hemp for string, twine, and rope), for flavorings (mint, wintergreen, plus nearly all spices), or for their medicinal value. Agriculture on a commercial scale, however, depends heavily on mining for its success. Here's why. First the farmer must prepare the soil by tilling it. This involves metal machinery, and all of that metal came from mines. Then the seed must be planted, which typically involves more metal machinery. A tractor, for example, contains components from more than a dozen different kinds of mines, runs on diesel fuel (a product of oil wells), and is lubricated with oil and grease (oil wells again). If the crops require fertilizer, chances are good that the phosphate content of that fertilizer came from a phosphate-rock quarry. Many crops also require water beyond that supplied through normal rainfall, and the metal pipes and sprinkler heads for delivering that water all come from mines. Then the crops must be harvested, cleaned, and packaged, all processes that require more machinery. Nearly every step of a commercial agricultural operation involves components and materials that come from mines. Similar considerations apply to most steps of commercial horticultural facilities such as greenhouses and tree farms. Even a typical household garden involves numerous mine-related products and materials. The blades for shovels and trowels, the nozzles and couplings for hoses, and the hinges on your garden gate are made of metals from mines. The plastic for the garden hose comes from oil wells. Insecticides likewise can be traced back to oil wells--the active ingredients in most insecticides are petrochemical products made from oil. The fertilizer probably contains rock from a phosphate quarry, and the plastic, ceramic, or metal bowl in which you carry your produce from the garden to the kitchen is a product of mining as well. Animal Products Our society uses animals in many ways--meat and milk for nourishment, fur for clothing, hides for leather, and bones for fertilizer, to name a few. The importance of mining in this context is not so much to provide the raw materials, but to process them into something we can use. Even something as simple as converting a wild deer into venison involves mining on several levels. If you are a hunter, unless you plan on strangling the deer yourself, you will need the products of mining to bring it down. Consider, for example, the lead slug of the bullet, the brass casing, and the sulfur and saltpeter in the gunpowder, not to mention the metal parts of the rifle itself. If you use a bow, the materials for the fiberglass of the bow, and the metal tip of the arrow, came from mines. You will use a metal car that runs on gasoline to transport your deer, a metal knife to skin the carcass and cut the meat, and a metal pan to cook it in. Food Most of us don't think that the products of mining go into the food we eat, but some do. Clay, for example, is a component of some soft ice creams and candies. Clay is composed of particles so very small that we can't distinguish them by touch, so a bit of watery clay in our mouths gives a sensation of creaminess (without the calories). That, plus the fact that clays provide bulk and weight at very little cost, are the reasons that clays (called "extenders" in the food industry) find their way into various foods. In our bodies they are inert; we don't metabolize them, but just pass them through. More familiar examples of mining-related products are fortified foods. Some brands of cereal, for example, contain iron--literally. If you were to take such a cereal, put some in a glass of cold water, mash it into a watery pulp, and then stir a magnet through it, you'd find tiny particles of iron adhering to the magnet when you draw it out. There is nothing wrong with this. Your body needs iron, and this is one way of supplying it. Even something as commonplace as a steak involves mining to bring it to your grocery store. To get steaks from a steer one needs various knives and saws to cut through meat and bone. The metal for the knife and saw blades comes from mines. Probably, when you bought your steak, it was sitting in a styrofoam tray and wrapped in transparent plastic. Both of these are petrochemical products, from oil wells. Pharmaceuticals A trip to your bathroom can be an instructive exercise on the importance of mining in your life. The main ingredient in numerous medicated powders is a mineral called talc; it is for this mineral that talcum powder was named. The active ingredient in ointments for diaper rash, in anti-itch lotions, and in sunscreen lotions is zinc, while that for dandruff shampoos is either zinc or selenium. Antiperspirants contain zirconium. The fluorine in sodium monofluorophosphate ("fluoride"), the anticavity agent in toothpaste, comes from the mineral fluorite, and the main ingredient in many toothpastes is finely ground chalk (a rock). Vaseline (petroleum jelly) and the waxes in lipsticks are petrochemicals from oil wells. The list becomes much longer when prescription drugs are included. Fuels and Electricity Cars, trucks, trains, buses, airplanes--all are fueled and lubricated by products distilled from petroleum that came from oil wells. Fuel oil, natural gas, and propane are used to heat our homes. More than 60% of this nation's electricity is generated by burning coal, a rock abundant in this country, and the balance is generated mostly by nuclear power plants, which use uranium from mines. Even hydroelectric power involves mining in large and necessary ways: for the concrete, rock, and steel in dams, the metal to make the turbines to generate electricity, and the copper wires to transmit that electricity elsewhere. Using wood as a fuel involves mining as well, for one has to cut the tree down somehow, and then size the logs into convenient lengths for burning. Even if you simply gather small branches to burn in your house, you likely burn them in a stone or brick fireplace, or a wood stove made from steel. And remember, if you took away the products of mining from a typical house, there would be no house at all: no foundation, walls, or roof, no brick facing or aluminum siding, no water or drain pipes, no electric wiring, no bathroom fixtures, no windows, no paved or gravel driveway. C 2004 Sterling Hill Institute of Geosciences From mineral.maertens at att.net Sun Mar 13 10:02:33 2005 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Mar 13 10:01:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: good volcano videos In-Reply-To: <200503130201.j2D21buc003231@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Will try the videos. Thank you for the links. Would you know where video footage or picture of under water lava extrusion? I am documenting pillow basalt mineralogy and could use some examples of "live" pillow formation. Any suggestions? Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ Politicians and diapers need to be changed, often for the same reason From dmschmidt at sprint.ca Sun Mar 13 10:29:52 2005 From: dmschmidt at sprint.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun Mar 13 10:30:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] East coast sites Message-ID: <101001c527fa$a5e93ac0$6402a8c0@remains> Hi Does anyone know any collecting sites for fossils in Maryland? I will be in D.C. this week, and I would like to go collecting something. I am aware of the Calvert Cliffs, but am unsure about the weather there this time of year. To be honest, I would rather go collect vertebrate material (specifically dinosaur material) than meg teeth and scallops. Even trackways would be fantastic.... I suppose it's too much to hope for to be able to collect any really interesting Mesozoic vert material while I am there, but in the end anything would be fun for a day..... Does anyone have any info or links to online resources? All the searches I have tried have led to dead links.... Thanks Michael --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pbhewitt at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 10:43:42 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Sun Mar 13 10:43:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] introductions References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net><000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> <003801c5257f$691fe760$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <001101c527fc$94a350a0$6501a8c0@maingear> I have been lurking on the list for a long time now and have decided to introduce myself. My name is Paul and I live in Marietta, PA (Lancaster County). I just recently moved here from south Joisey. I am more into minerals than fossils but I would like to collect both. My collection is small and mostly purchased since there was not much where I used to live. Most of my collecting was limited to tumbling material. Last summer I drove down to Hot Springs, Arkansas and collected at the Sweet Surrender Mine and one of the Coleman mines. My favorite mineral is kyanite and therefore my favorite place to collect is Prospect Park, Pa. I have some kyanite crytals from there in excess of 8" in length. I did manage a couple of trips into Codorous Quarry before they closed that down too. I am planning to join the Central Pennsylvania Rock and Mineral Club. I tried to find the meeting this month but the website directions were wrong. I will be there next month. If anyone on the list is a member and will be at the meeting be sure and say hi! I am 6'6" tall and kinda hard to miss. I would welcome any invititaions to go collecting in the central PA area and I am willing to travel several hundred miles if the collecting is good. Later, Paul in Marietta From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 12:00:51 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Mar 13 12:00:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Survey is live In-Reply-To: <200503130201.j2D21buf003231@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050313200051.30337.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> The Rockhounds Survey is now live. Thanks for feedback yesterday. I made a few changes based on your comments. This has really been a group effort, and I thank everyone for your great ideas. Look forward to sharing the results with you in a few months. A report of results will be posted on the web and communicated to various listserves. The survey will run until April 15 at 930 pm. So, if you procrastinate, you (Americans) can do the survey after you get back from your midnite run to drop off your taxes at the post office. :) SATURDAY BETA TESTERS NOTE: If you took it yesterday as a tester, those responses were deleted (as indicated in my email message yesterday). Please come back and do it for real. Times averaged 8-11 minutes to complete it. Please feel free to forward the link to others. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 tina, aka tangojuli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sun Mar 13 12:54:26 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 13 12:54:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Survey is live In-Reply-To: <20050313200051.30337.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200503132054.j2DKsQ0F029424@outmx001.isp.belgacom.be> I just finished my survey. A few remarks : 1) I did not fill in the total value of my collection. I wouldn't like the idea of attracting burglars if that information would leak (and, as a matter of fact, any estimation would be so inaccurate that it makes no sense) 2) What is FEE ? I found about 51 million FEE's in this world... This survey reminded me about many facets of my life and various thing that happened... nice experience... Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:01 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Survey is live The Rockhounds Survey is now live. Thanks for feedback yesterday. I made a few changes based on your comments. This has really been a group effort, and I thank everyone for your great ideas. Look forward to sharing the results with you in a few months. A report of results will be posted on the web and communicated to various listserves. The survey will run until April 15 at 930 pm. So, if you procrastinate, you (Americans) can do the survey after you get back from your midnite run to drop off your taxes at the post office. :) SATURDAY BETA TESTERS NOTE: If you took it yesterday as a tester, those responses were deleted (as indicated in my email message yesterday). Please come back and do it for real. Times averaged 8-11 minutes to complete it. Please feel free to forward the link to others. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 tina, aka tangojuli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sun Mar 13 12:54:26 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 13 12:54:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?iso-8859-1?q?Enqu=EAte_over_mineralenverzamelaars?= Message-ID: <200503132054.j2DKsQ0E029424@outmx001.isp.belgacom.be> Beste collega?s, Zin om eens je eigen jeugdherinneringen op te halen ? Vul dan eens de bevraging ofte enqu?te in, waarnaar je hieronder een link vindt. Wie het Engels niet machtig is kan er weliswaar niet veel mee aanvangen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rockhounds Survey is now live. Thanks for feedback yesterday. I made a few changes based on your comments. This has really been a group effort, and I thank everyone for your great ideas. Look forward to sharing the results with you in a few months. A report of results will be posted on the web and communicated to various listserves. The survey will run until April 15 at 930 pm. So, if you procrastinate, you (Americans) can do the survey after you get back from your midnite run to drop off your taxes at the post office. :) Times averaged 8-11 minutes to complete it. Please feel free to forward the link to others. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 tina, aka tangojuli Dank voor de medewerking en beste groeten Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Sun Mar 13 13:27:01 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 13 13:26:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: good volcano videos In-Reply-To: References: <200503130201.j2D21buc003231@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050313112423.0249fb60@incoming.verizon.net> Try Googling " Loihi " ---that is the newest Hawaiian island forming south of the Big Island. Aloha, Kitty >Would you know where video footage or picture of under water lava >extrusion? >I am documenting pillow basalt mineralogy and could use some examples >of "live" pillow formation. >Any suggestions? > >Johan Maertens From johnjold at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 13:39:52 2005 From: johnjold at comcast.net (John Joldersma) Date: Sun Mar 13 13:40:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berg's Rock Trader Classifieds Message-ID: http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/classifieds/classifieds.shtml#equoff I was quite happy with my only experience with this site last Sept. when the sander I listed sold the next day. I am not as happy today since I am still getting inquiries. The site promised to eliminate ads after 60 to 90 days. I emailed them with no effect after the last batch. Has anyone had any success in communicating with these people? I seriously doubt that I will use the ads again. John J From kahako at verizon.net Sun Mar 13 14:05:46 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 13 14:05:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] introductions In-Reply-To: <001101c527fc$94a350a0$6501a8c0@maingear> References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> <000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> <003801c5257f$691fe760$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <001101c527fc$94a350a0$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050313120302.04261338@incoming.verizon.net> Umm, Your name looked awfully familiar, so I looked back, and you sent over 40 messages to this list between January 2002 and September 2004. Maybe you meant to introduce yourself to a different list? Anyway, welcome back! Aloha, Kitty At 08:43 AM 3/13/2005, you wrote: >I have been lurking on the list for a long time now and have decided to >introduce myself. My name is Paul and I live in Marietta, PA (Lancaster >County). I just recently moved here from south Joisey. I am more into >minerals than fossils but I would like to collect both. My collection is >small and mostly purchased since there was not much where I used to live. >Most of my collecting was limited to tumbling material. > >Last summer I drove down to Hot Springs, Arkansas and collected at the >Sweet Surrender Mine and one of the Coleman mines. > >My favorite mineral is kyanite and therefore my favorite place to collect >is Prospect Park, Pa. I have some kyanite crytals from there in excess of >8" in length. > >I did manage a couple of trips into Codorous Quarry before they closed >that down too. > >I am planning to join the Central Pennsylvania Rock and Mineral Club. I >tried to find the meeting this month but the website directions were >wrong. I will be there next month. If anyone on the list is a member and >will be at the meeting be sure and say hi! I am 6'6" tall and kinda hard >to miss. > >I would welcome any invititaions to go collecting in the central PA area >and I am willing to travel several hundred miles if the collecting is good. > >Later, > >Paul in Marietta >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Sun Mar 13 14:16:54 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 13 14:16:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation In-Reply-To: <002101c527d2$0534f7e0$b9e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050312154109.025cd140@incoming.verizon.net> <002101c527d2$0534f7e0$b9e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050313121047.042610a8@incoming.verizon.net> Thanks, Earl. Very good essay that seems to cover just about everything. Did you write it? Good job. My students are very impressed that quartz crystals are the basis for oscillators that control timing for electronic circuitry---in their cell phones, i pods, computers, etc. Are those crystals mined? Man-made? Aloha, Kitty At 03:39 AM 3/13/2005, you wrote: >Hi Kitty and Kreigh and others, > >I'm really impressed with the wonderful suggestions from list members on how >to make rocks and minerals interesting to children. This lies at the core >of what we do here at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum in New Jersey. The >material below is a little long, but it's an example of the type of >information we present to children and teachers during some of our >workshops. I thought I'd send it along in hopes that some of you might find >it useful. > >Caveat: This is an evolving draft. Please alert me to any errors you may >find. Thanks! > >Cheers- Earl Verbeek From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 14:17:38 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 13 14:17:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: good volcano videos In-Reply-To: References: <200503130201.j2D21buc003231@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Try using "Pillow Lava" Video as the search term in google, you'll get over a 1000 hits. Bryan On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:02:33 -0500, Johan Maertens wrote: > Will try the videos. Thank you for the links. > > Would you know where video footage or picture of under water lava > extrusion? > I am documenting pillow basalt mineralogy and could use some examples > of "live" pillow formation. > Any suggestions? > > Johan Maertens > mineral dot maertens at att dot net > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > Politicians and diapers need to be changed, often for the same reason > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Mar 13 14:18:58 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Sun Mar 13 14:19:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] introductions References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> <000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> <003801c5257f$691fe760$6400a8c0@mshome.net> <001101c527fc$94a350a0$6501a8c0@maingear> <6.2.1.2.0.20050313120302.04261338@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <4234BC52.4040106@cox.net> Kitty, What kind of a data list do you maintain? Either that or a damn good memory. Hugs Terrie From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Mar 13 16:34:27 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 13 16:23:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Survey is live References: <20050313200051.30337.qmail@web60808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005e01c5282d$9529a160$1da5490c@pete> I took the survey, TJ! It took me about 25 minutes--guess I was slow (had to think a bit about some of the answers?); just shows I was taking it seriously! Good luck with it, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Survey is live > The Rockhounds Survey is now live. > Thanks for feedback yesterday. I made a few changes > based on your comments. This has really been a group > effort, and I thank everyone for your great ideas. > Look forward to sharing the results with you in a few > months. A report of results will be posted on the web > and communicated to various listserves. > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Mar 13 18:09:15 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 13 18:06:22 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? Message-ID: <4234F18F.A25@Tomaszewski.net> This survey began as a project to discover more about who Rockhounds are, and it has attracted the interest of club officials and members who are worried about declining membership and the future of our hobby. It is our hope that by learning more about current Rockhounds we will be better able to reach out to the next generation(s) to keep the hobby alive. Detailed responses to the survey will be kept confidential, and efforts have been taken to make sure responses are anonymous. We ask that each Rockhound only take the survey once, but please pass on the survey link to other collectors you know so we can get more responses and better results. When the survey is completed on April 15, 2005, the results will be analyized, published, and shared with Rockhound Clubs around the world. The survey itself typically takes less than 15 minutes to complete and must be done in one session. You may skip any question, but answering them all will improve the results. You can start the survey by clicking on the link http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 Thank you for taking a few minutes to tell a little about yourself and the hobby we share and enjoy. Kreigh P.S., If you belong to a Club please share this information with your Club's Newsletter Editor (or announce it at your next meeting) so that everyone in your Club will have an opportunity to participate. Thanks! From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 21:00:06 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Mar 13 21:00:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Preliminary survey results...... In-Reply-To: <200503140200.j2E20NIw026309@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20050314050006.59437.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Preliminary survey results: from approx. 50 respondants (no corrections or adjustments to these rough figures yet) 1. Average age of hobby first contact: 15.8 2. Average age of getting serious about the hobby 35 (note this will change when data is processed, and will likely increase when we compensate for those who stayed serious from a young age) 3. Average age of respondants so far is 53.3 4. 18.9% of respondants are female 5. 73.7% have made between 1-10 collecting trips per year. Stay tuned for more! tangojuli __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dhawk at EcologyFund.net Sun Mar 13 21:18:03 2005 From: dhawk at EcologyFund.net (the other angus) Date: Sun Mar 13 21:18:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Regarding the philipines Message-ID: <20050314051804.3B394395C@sitemail.everyone.net> Sorry but the one person who I was asking about does not know much about the gems from that region or even the rocks for that matter. She got her training in Thailand and knows of the stones she can get from there thats it. Darren   ------------------------------------------ Conserve wilderness with a click (free!) and get your own EcologyFund.net email (free!) at http://www.ecologyfund.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Mar 13 21:23:45 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Sun Mar 13 21:23:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? References: <4234F18F.A25@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <42351FE1.3080702@cox.net> kreigh, I have forwarded the survey onto the CFMS and asked they share it with individual clubs. I missed the April deadline of March 5, and of course April 5 will also be too late. Will someone forward it on to the other Federations and AFMS? I wish there was a longer time period to permit inclusion in local club bulletins, Good luck and let us work towards regaining our former strength. Terrie Teresa Masters Chair Publicity/Public Relations Committee CFMS From dguin at earthlink.net Sun Mar 13 21:50:16 2005 From: dguin at earthlink.net (Dave Guin) Date: Sun Mar 13 21:50:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds]BOB"S (NOT Berg's) Rock Trader Classifieds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42352618.4040602@earthlink.net> John Joldersma wrote: > http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/classifieds/classifieds.shtml#equoff > > I was quite happy with my only experience with this site last Sept. > when the sander I listed sold the next day. I am not as happy today > since I am still getting inquiries. The site promised to eliminate > ads after 60 to 90 days. I emailed them with no effect after the last > batch. > Has anyone had any success in communicating with these people? I > seriously doubt that I will use the ads again. John J Just a head's up. This is the classified section of **BOB'S** Rock Shop. The **BERG'S** rock shop ad just happens to be at the top of the classified section right now. AND yes. Sometimes Bob takes awhile to get around to working on the site. Peace, dave From agesilaus at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 05:55:49 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 14 05:55:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake swarm on the far edge of the Juan de Fuca plate Message-ID: It seems that seismologists are wondering about those earthquakes too: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050309104200.htm Bryan From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 14 06:49:58 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Mon Mar 14 06:38:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Preliminary survey results...... References: <20050314050006.59437.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006601c528a5$18e4f460$c7a6490c@pete> Tina, I reading your preliminary note, I'm relieved to see that I fell in that 73.7% majority who say they go on 1-10 collecting trips per year. From reading the mail on this List, I felt light I was a real lightweight if I didn't go on at least 20 or more such trips--seems that's what everyone who posts frequently, must do--but when I honestly tallied up how often I get out, I couldn't honestly say it's been more than 10 (just too many other things to do)--at least now, I know I'm not too much worse than the "average" rockhound! (I'm not like some of my super-dedicated friends--I won't say "obsessed"--and some whom I read mail from on this List--whom I know, go out collecting EVERY weekend!) Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Preliminary survey results...... > Preliminary survey results: > from approx. 50 respondants From adamsanane at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 08:38:15 2005 From: adamsanane at yahoo.com (adam sanora) Date: Mon Mar 14 08:38:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turquoise Polishing Message-ID: <20050314163815.41874.qmail@web41128.mail.yahoo.com> Hello , Can You advice some tips for polishing turquoise cabs in vibratory tumbler to get good results ? Thanks in Advance Adam __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From libawc at emory.edu Mon Mar 14 10:35:27 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Mon Mar 14 10:35:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation In-Reply-To: <002101c527d2$0534f7e0$b9e4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <002f01c528c4$9a9711e0$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Great stuff, Earl. May I have your permission to reprint this in the "Tips & Trips" monthly newsletter of the Georgia Mineral Society, Inc? Full credit will be given of course. Anita D. Westlake, Education Chair Georgia Mineral Society, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of earl verbeek Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:39 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for Kid's Presentation Hi Kitty and Kreigh and others, I'm really impressed with the wonderful suggestions from list members on how to make rocks and minerals interesting to children. This lies at the core of what we do here at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum in New Jersey. The material below is a little long, but it's an example of the type of information we present to children and teachers during some of our workshops. I thought I'd send it along in hopes that some of you might find it useful. Caveat: This is an evolving draft. Please alert me to any errors you may find. Thanks! Cheers- Earl Verbeek - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sterling Hill Institute of Geosciences March 2004 WHAT'S IN IT? HOW IS IT MADE? We are now in our third generation of people who are largely disconnected from the land around them. The original settlers who came to this country felled the trees, cleared the land, tilled the soil, and quarried rock. Settlements sprang up around deposits of iron, zinc, and copper, which provided employment and raw materials for the miners, blacksmiths, and workers in the rolling, stamping, and slitting mills that made products from these metals. Your ancestors five generations back likely made their own candles and clothes, used coal or wood for heat, and dug their own wells for water. These days, however, few of us are directly engaged in mining or manufacturing, let alone making our own clothes and shoveling coal into a furnace. Whenever we need something, we simply go out and buy it. When we want heat, we turn up the thermostat. What we've gained in convenience we've lost in knowledge. Should you doubt this, ask any ten of your friends what raw materials are used to make glass, or a dinner plate, or a computer, and you will see what we mean. No longer are we close to the Earth in anything but the literal sense. For this reason we ask nearly every visitor to the Sterling Hill Mining Museum the following question: Can you name any product you've used in the last two weeks, a product manufactured by man, that did not somehow involve mining in its production? The goal is not to glorify mining, but merely to explore how much mining affects our daily lives. Like it or not, the answer to that question is: nothing. Below we list broad categories of products that we use in our daily lives, and explain how mining is necessary to bring those products to you. In later documents we will address the environmental consequences of mining and the steps we might take to reduce our demand for raw materials taken from the Earth. Metal Products With very few exceptions, wherever metal is part of a product we use, or was part of the machinery used to manufacture that product, the metal came from a mine. Our houses contain copper pipes and wire, iron nails and screws, aluminum window frames, and tungsten in our light bulbs. Our cars contain zinc (in carburetors, fuel pumps, and tires), iron (as steel, for the frame and body), copper (wires), lead (in the battery), mercury (the reflective part of the mirrors), chromium (as plating on door handles, hubcaps, mirrors, etc), and strontium (the flares in the trunk). The light from many of our televisions and computer monitors comes from compounds of metals that some people have never heard of, but nevertheless use every day. Our streets are lit at night by sodium and mercury vapor lamps. We wear jewelry composed of gold, silver, platinum, copper, or brass (an alloy of copper and zinc). Some of us have gold-capped teeth and mercury-based fillings in our mouths, or even artificial knee and hip joints made of titanium. Metals are such a pervasive part of our daily lives that it is hard to imagine what life would be like without them--we would, after all, have to go back to the Stone Age. Nevertheless, many people seem not to realize the connection between metals and mining. Plastic Products The raw material for nearly all plastics is either oil or coal. In an average home you're likely to find many products made from plastic: drinking glasses and coffee cups, dinner plates, the containers for a variety of household products (milk, shampoo, glues, pills, detergents, leftover food), and trash and garbage cans merely begin the list. The bodies of radios, lightweight camera housings, computer monitors, and televisions likewise are made from plastic. The list of plastic products used in our daily lives seems almost endless, yet all began either with an oil well or a coal mine. Ceramic Products Dinner plates, flower pots, coffee cups, electrical insulators, false teeth, spark plugs, wall tile, crockery--these are only a few of the things that are made from ceramic materials. The base material for most types of ceramics is either clay (from a clay pit) or ground-up silicate minerals such as plagioclase and orthoclase feldspar, wollastonite, tremolite, anthophyllite, and talc, all of which come from mines. New uses are being discovered for ceramics every year, but most are not well known to the general public; possible exceptions are the several new types of ceramic magnets that are now in widespread use to affix objects to our refrigerators. Meanwhile, it is a sobering thought that the finest Staffordshire china and the most beautiful Ming vases are products of humble clay pits. Glass Products Glass, whether used for windows, drinking glasses, eyeglasses, bottles, or TV and computer screens, is totally a product of mining. The soda-lime glass most widely used for commercial products contains silica (either from a sand pit or a sandstone quarry), trona (from a trona mine), limestone (from a limestone quarry), and feldspar (from mines, again). The feldspar provides the alumina to strengthen the glass. Decorative glassware sold as "lead crystal" owes its heaviness and sparkle to lead, another mining product. Moreover, the pigments for colored glass typically are mining products as well, as anyone who has studied the manufacture of stained-glass windows in churches can attest. Iron, cobalt, manganese, or gold produce green, blue, violet, and red glass, respectively. All four of these metals, plus more, come from mines; there is no other commercial source. Wood, Paper, and Cardboard Products The raw material for anything made of wood, paper, or cardboard is trees. Certainly we don't mine trees, nor in decades past did we plant them--we simply harvested what Mother Nature had provided us. Nevertheless, mining plays a large role in the manufacture of the wood, paper, and cardboard products that we use every day. First, one has to cut the trees down. The blade of the saw or the head of the axe came from an iron mine. If a chain saw was used, it too has a metal blade, its plastic housing is a petrochemical product from oil wells, and it runs on gasoline and oil, two more petrochemical products. Then, in order to make things like wood studs and plywood for houses, wood veneer for furniture, or toothpicks for our meals, the wood has to be sawn to size (metal blades) or peeled into thin sheets for plywood and veneers (metal blades again). The adhesives used for these latter two products are petrochemicals made from oil. Wood treated for outdoor use employs a host of preservatives, all of which contain components from the mining industry: creosote, for example, is derived from coal, and the chromium and arsenic used in pressure-treated wood are products of mines as well. To manufacture paper and cardboard one has first to mash the wood to separate it into fibers. This involves heavy machinery, the metal for which came from mines. Fibers for the print industry are then soaked in sulfuric acid to bleach them (the sulfur is extracted from the caprock of subsurface salt domes), and additional chemical baths are necessary if one wishes to neutralize the acid to make archival-quality paper. The shiny, heavy paper used in oversized "coffee table" books owes its shininess and heaviness to clay, which is added to fill the pores in the paper so the print will make a clean impression--that is, inks do not bleed into clay-impregnated paper, so the print is crisper and the photographs more detailed. Textiles Textiles, which go into our clothes, drapes, bed linens, tablecloths, and blankets, can be divided into two groups: natural and synthetic. Both involve mining in their manufacture. Let's consider natural textiles first. The principal ones are cotton and wool. Even if we discount the metal tractors that are used to prepare the cotton fields and plant the seed, and the phosphate rock in the fertilizer, and the petrochemical products in the insecticides--that is, even if we pretend that a truckload of freshly picked cotton owes nothing to mining--we can't go from raw cotton to a cotton shirt without involving mining-related products every step of the way. The cotton has first to be cleaned and spun into thread. The thread has to be woven into cloth, and the cloth then has to be dyed, cut, and finally sewn into garments. Every one of these processes involves metal machinery and the gasoline (from oil) or electricity (from coal) to power it. Even if you make your own clothes, what do you think your sewing machine and needles are made of? Similar arguments can be made for woolen clothes, starting with the metal shears that are used to shear the sheep. Synthetic fabrics, meanwhile, are even more directly a product of mining. Nylon, rayon, and polyester are all made from either oil or coal. Agricultural and Horticultural Products Almost all nations produce a significant part of their food supply through agriculture. Think of all the food plants we grow in the United States: corn, wheat, oats, barley, lettuce, broccoli, tomatoes, various types of beans, potatoes, carrots, garlic, radishes, peanuts, and dozens upon dozens more. Other agricultural plants are grown for their fibers (cotton and hemp for string, twine, and rope), for flavorings (mint, wintergreen, plus nearly all spices), or for their medicinal value. Agriculture on a commercial scale, however, depends heavily on mining for its success. Here's why. First the farmer must prepare the soil by tilling it. This involves metal machinery, and all of that metal came from mines. Then the seed must be planted, which typically involves more metal machinery. A tractor, for example, contains components from more than a dozen different kinds of mines, runs on diesel fuel (a product of oil wells), and is lubricated with oil and grease (oil wells again). If the crops require fertilizer, chances are good that the phosphate content of that fertilizer came from a phosphate-rock quarry. Many crops also require water beyond that supplied through normal rainfall, and the metal pipes and sprinkler heads for delivering that water all come from mines. Then the crops must be harvested, cleaned, and packaged, all processes that require more machinery. Nearly every step of a commercial agricultural operation involves components and materials that come from mines. Similar considerations apply to most steps of commercial horticultural facilities such as greenhouses and tree farms. Even a typical household garden involves numerous mine-related products and materials. The blades for shovels and trowels, the nozzles and couplings for hoses, and the hinges on your garden gate are made of metals from mines. The plastic for the garden hose comes from oil wells. Insecticides likewise can be traced back to oil wells--the active ingredients in most insecticides are petrochemical products made from oil. The fertilizer probably contains rock from a phosphate quarry, and the plastic, ceramic, or metal bowl in which you carry your produce from the garden to the kitchen is a product of mining as well. Animal Products Our society uses animals in many ways--meat and milk for nourishment, fur for clothing, hides for leather, and bones for fertilizer, to name a few. The importance of mining in this context is not so much to provide the raw materials, but to process them into something we can use. Even something as simple as converting a wild deer into venison involves mining on several levels. If you are a hunter, unless you plan on strangling the deer yourself, you will need the products of mining to bring it down. Consider, for example, the lead slug of the bullet, the brass casing, and the sulfur and saltpeter in the gunpowder, not to mention the metal parts of the rifle itself. If you use a bow, the materials for the fiberglass of the bow, and the metal tip of the arrow, came from mines. You will use a metal car that runs on gasoline to transport your deer, a metal knife to skin the carcass and cut the meat, and a metal pan to cook it in. Food Most of us don't think that the products of mining go into the food we eat, but some do. Clay, for example, is a component of some soft ice creams and candies. Clay is composed of particles so very small that we can't distinguish them by touch, so a bit of watery clay in our mouths gives a sensation of creaminess (without the calories). That, plus the fact that clays provide bulk and weight at very little cost, are the reasons that clays (called "extenders" in the food industry) find their way into various foods. In our bodies they are inert; we don't metabolize them, but just pass them through. More familiar examples of mining-related products are fortified foods. Some brands of cereal, for example, contain iron--literally. If you were to take such a cereal, put some in a glass of cold water, mash it into a watery pulp, and then stir a magnet through it, you'd find tiny particles of iron adhering to the magnet when you draw it out. There is nothing wrong with this. Your body needs iron, and this is one way of supplying it. Even something as commonplace as a steak involves mining to bring it to your grocery store. To get steaks from a steer one needs various knives and saws to cut through meat and bone. The metal for the knife and saw blades comes from mines. Probably, when you bought your steak, it was sitting in a styrofoam tray and wrapped in transparent plastic. Both of these are petrochemical products, from oil wells. Pharmaceuticals A trip to your bathroom can be an instructive exercise on the importance of mining in your life. The main ingredient in numerous medicated powders is a mineral called talc; it is for this mineral that talcum powder was named. The active ingredient in ointments for diaper rash, in anti-itch lotions, and in sunscreen lotions is zinc, while that for dandruff shampoos is either zinc or selenium. Antiperspirants contain zirconium. The fluorine in sodium monofluorophosphate ("fluoride"), the anticavity agent in toothpaste, comes from the mineral fluorite, and the main ingredient in many toothpastes is finely ground chalk (a rock). Vaseline (petroleum jelly) and the waxes in lipsticks are petrochemicals from oil wells. The list becomes much longer when prescription drugs are included. Fuels and Electricity Cars, trucks, trains, buses, airplanes--all are fueled and lubricated by products distilled from petroleum that came from oil wells. Fuel oil, natural gas, and propane are used to heat our homes. More than 60% of this nation's electricity is generated by burning coal, a rock abundant in this country, and the balance is generated mostly by nuclear power plants, which use uranium from mines. Even hydroelectric power involves mining in large and necessary ways: for the concrete, rock, and steel in dams, the metal to make the turbines to generate electricity, and the copper wires to transmit that electricity elsewhere. Using wood as a fuel involves mining as well, for one has to cut the tree down somehow, and then size the logs into convenient lengths for burning. Even if you simply gather small branches to burn in your house, you likely burn them in a stone or brick fireplace, or a wood stove made from steel. And remember, if you took away the products of mining from a typical house, there would be no house at all: no foundation, walls, or roof, no brick facing or aluminum siding, no water or drain pipes, no electric wiring, no bathroom fixtures, no windows, no paved or gravel driveway. C 2004 Sterling Hill Institute of Geosciences _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From digem at plateautel.net Mon Mar 14 17:09:54 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Mon Mar 14 16:58:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours References: Message-ID: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> Thanks for the info. What you might get to see there is called Nevada-ite since Trinitite comes from the Trinity Site in New Mexico. I have seen pieces of the stuff from Nevada before and I have some of the Trinitite. Allison J Bryan Kramer wrote: >Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas >where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if >you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make >reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out >people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. > >http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm > >The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may >want to check it out: > >http://highwayswest.com/ > >The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, >strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper >out there. > >Bryan >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Mar 14 17:26:11 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 14 17:23:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? References: <4234F18F.A25@Tomaszewski.net> <42351FE1.3080702@cox.net> Message-ID: <423638FC.184E@Tomaszewski.net> Terrie, I've contacted AFMS and asked for their help in pushing the info out to all Clubs from the top. Hopefully they will agree to help. Kreigh T.A.Masters wrote: > > kreigh, > I have forwarded the survey onto the CFMS and asked they share it with > individual clubs. I missed the April deadline of March 5, and of course > April 5 will also be too late. > > Will someone forward it on to the other Federations and AFMS? > > I wish there was a longer time period to permit inclusion in local club > bulletins, > > Good luck and let us work towards regaining our former strength. > > Terrie > Teresa Masters > Chair Publicity/Public Relations Committee > CFMS From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Mar 14 18:38:10 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Mon Mar 14 18:38:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? References: <4234F18F.A25@Tomaszewski.net> <42351FE1.3080702@cox.net> <423638FC.184E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <42364A92.107@cox.net> Kreigh, thank you, I knew you would. Terrie From Blueriverjewelry at aol.com Mon Mar 14 20:50:32 2005 From: Blueriverjewelry at aol.com (Blueriverjewelry@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 14 20:50:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Suggestions for kid's presentation Message-ID: <76.4efb1d18.2f67c398@aol.com> Does anybody have any thoughts, suggestions or similar experience? I remember reading on this list the adventures of somebody who frequently captured the hearts and minds of elementary classes. Hi Joe, Susy from NE here. I do have a suggestion, although not any real minerals to send. Fossils, but not minerals. When we demo with elementary age kids, we usually have specimens for them, as you have planned, but also egg cartons, so they can store and label any specimens. This works well for rocks, fossils, etc. The kids are responsible to bring their own egg cartons, and we bring cotton balls and rocks. We show the kids how to label the specimens for future reference. Have fun, and say hi to Rosie. My Rose just had a baby in Nov., Ian. He's our first grandchild and a future rockhound! Susy --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Mar 14 21:54:52 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 14 21:51:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Suggestions for kid's presentation References: <76.4efb1d18.2f67c398@aol.com> Message-ID: <423677D1.36AA@Tomaszewski.net> I have visited elementary classrooms for over 20 years to teach about rocks, minerals, and geology. I usually ask that teachers have their students collect a dozen different rocks/minerals in an egg carton before I come in. I show the students some of my collection, and then help them identify and label their collections. It typically takes a half day, but is great fun. Contact me off-list if you want more info. Kreigh Blueriverjewelry@aol.com wrote: > > > Does anybody have any thoughts, suggestions or similar > experience? I remember reading on this list the adventures of > somebody who frequently captured the hearts and minds of > elementary classes. > > Hi Joe, > Susy from NE here. I do have a suggestion, although not any real minerals > to send. Fossils, but not minerals. When we demo with elementary age kids, we > usually have specimens for them, as you have planned, but also egg cartons, > so they can store and label any specimens. This works well for rocks, > fossils, etc. The kids are responsible to bring their own egg cartons, and we > bring cotton balls and rocks. We show the kids how to label the specimens for > future reference. > Have fun, and say hi to Rosie. My Rose just had a baby in Nov., Ian. He's > our first grandchild and a future rockhound! > Susy From corundogs at charter.net Mon Mar 14 21:57:17 2005 From: corundogs at charter.net (CorunDogs) Date: Mon Mar 14 21:57:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Special Edition - Corundum!!! The Canadian Rockhound Message-ID: <01d001c52923$d8cc9ed0$e6b27144@dit03r92qai5fx> http://www.canadianrockhound.ca/2005/01/index.html HI THERE! This is a very special edition (ok, I added the "very"...hehe!) of The Canadian Rockhound Geological Magazine....devoted to CORUNDUM :-) Will Heierman - my corundum mentor, partner and friend - has worked tirelessly to help this issue come to fruition! These articles are not written for the scientific mind - they are written to be enjoyed by all :-) And I am quite sure you will find something interesting that you didn't know before! I would be thankful if you took a look - let me know what you think!! Brenda Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan Assisting Boston Terriers Kearney, Nebraska Dedicated to helping abused, neglected and abandoned Boston Terriers To the World, you are just a person.....to a Rescue Dog, you are the World!!! www.nationwidebostonrescue.org www.corunduminium.com - Ask me about The Corundum Project --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at verizon.net Mon Mar 14 22:48:19 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Mar 14 22:48:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> References: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050314185626.025d2280@incoming.verizon.net> Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. It's not an approved mineral, of course---it's fused glass, isn't it? I think it's considered man-made because it was the result of the atomic bomb, but the name comes from the location: Trinity, New Mexico. Not Trinite, not Trinitite, but Trinityite. But I've seen the other spellings on many occasions. I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin of the name was a place or personal name. Aloha, Kitty At 03:09 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. What you might get to see there is called Nevada-ite >since Trinitite comes from the Trinity Site in New Mexico. I have seen >pieces of the stuff from Nevada before and I have some of the Trinitite. >Allison > >J Bryan Kramer wrote: > >>Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas >>where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if >>you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make >>reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out >>people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. >> >>http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm >> >>The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may >>want to check it out: >> >>http://highwayswest.com/ >> >>The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, >>strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper >>out there. >> >>Bryan >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cabrageo at cksonline.net Tue Mar 15 03:50:23 2005 From: cabrageo at cksonline.net (David J. Smith) Date: Tue Mar 15 03:58:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: good volcano videos In-Reply-To: References: <200503130201.j2D21buc003231@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4236CBFF.9090403@cksonline.net> I remember a certain film entitled "Fire Under the Sea" which had good footage of pillow formation. I seem to recall a certain scene: pillow implosions are painful Pillow lava implodes, diver doubles over, clutching sensitive area of anatomy in pain... From buff1 at ptd.net Tue Mar 15 04:37:58 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Tue Mar 15 04:38:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral news email??? Message-ID: <4236D726.5020306@ptd.net> Can anyone supply a differant or correct email address for Mineral News, published by Tony Nikischer?? I get the following error when attempting to email some club information... The original message was received at Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:43:31 -0500 from smtp15.mailnet.ptd.net [204.186.29.8] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from relay.verizon.net.) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection reset by relay.verizon.net. Message could not be delivered for 5 days Message will be deleted from queue From agesilaus at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 04:45:38 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 15 04:45:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050314185626.025d2280@incoming.verizon.net> References: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050314185626.025d2280@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: I don't know which is correct: Trinitite or Trinityite, but the first has 646 hits on Google and the later has 7 hits. So the community seems to prefer Trinitite. Bryan On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:48:19 -1000, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. It's not an > approved mineral, of course---it's fused glass, isn't it? I think it's > considered man-made because it was the result of the atomic bomb, but the > name comes from the location: Trinity, New Mexico. Not Trinite, not > Trinitite, but Trinityite. But I've seen the other spellings on many > occasions. > > I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral > name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin of > the name was a place or personal name. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 03:09 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >Thanks for the info. What you might get to see there is called Nevada-ite > >since Trinitite comes from the Trinity Site in New Mexico. I have seen > >pieces of the stuff from Nevada before and I have some of the Trinitite. > >Allison > > > >J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > >>Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas > >>where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if > >>you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make > >>reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out > >>people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. > >> > >>http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm > >> > >>The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may > >>want to check it out: > >> > >>http://highwayswest.com/ > >> > >>The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, > >>strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper > >>out there. > >> > >>Bryan > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From morningstar at att.net Tue Mar 15 05:22:02 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Tue Mar 15 05:22:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours Message-ID: <031520051322.24254.4236E17A000067B600005EBE21587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. Hi, I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. > I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral > name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin of > the name was a place or personal name. Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; for example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral after De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite from a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually capitalized either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names and I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. Don From corundogs at charter.net Mon Mar 14 16:32:29 2005 From: corundogs at charter.net (CorunDogs) Date: Tue Mar 15 08:07:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Special Edition - Corundum!!! The Canadian Rockhound Message-ID: <012801c528f6$7af6fd00$e6b27144@dit03r92qai5fx> http://www.canadianrockhound.ca/2005/01/index.html HI THERE! This is a very special edition (ok, I added the "very"...hehe!) of The Canadian Rockhound Geological Magazine....devoted to CORUNDUM :-) Will Heierman - my corundum mentor, partner and friend - has worked tirelessly to help this issue come to fruition! These articles are not written for the scientific mind - they are written to be enjoyed by all :-) And I am quite sure you will find something interesting that you didn't know before! I would be thankful if you took a look - let me know what you think!! Brenda Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan Assisting Boston Terriers Kearney, Nebraska Dedicated to helping abused, neglected and abandoned Boston Terriers To the World, you are just a person.....to a Rescue Dog, you are the World!!! www.nationwidebostonrescue.org www.corunduminium.com - Ask me about The Corundum Project --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Mar 15 08:30:10 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Mar 15 08:30:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Special Edition - Corundum!!! The Canadian Rockhound Message-ID: <031520051630.17267.42370D91000565A800004373215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> That's a great-looking "issue" on corundum, Brenda--thanks for sending the link to all. I can't say I've read it all yet--but I've browsed the pictures! Very good piece of work. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "CorunDogs" : -------------- > http://www.canadianrockhound.ca/2005/01/index.html > > HI THERE! > > This is a very special edition (ok, I added the "very"...hehe!) of The Canadian > Rockhound Geological Magazine....devoted to CORUNDUM :-) > > Will Heierman - my corundum mentor, partner and friend - has worked tirelessly > to help this issue come to fruition! These articles are not written for the > scientific mind - they are written to be enjoyed by all :-) And I am quite > sure you will find something interesting that you didn't know before! I would > be thankful if you took a look - let me know what you think!! > Brenda > > > Brenda, Duke, Jack, Hannah and Meghan > Assisting Boston Terriers > Kearney, Nebraska > Dedicated to helping abused, neglected and abandoned Boston Terriers > To the World, you are just a person.....to a Rescue Dog, you are the World!!! > www.nationwidebostonrescue.org www.corunduminium.com - Ask me about The Corundum > Project > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Tue Mar 15 09:51:29 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Tue Mar 15 09:49:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral news email??? In-Reply-To: <4236D726.5020306@ptd.net> References: <4236D726.5020306@ptd.net> Message-ID: Hi Dennis, Try: info@excaliburmineral.com Lanny On Mar 15, 2005, at 4:37 AM, Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > Can anyone supply a differant or correct email address for Mineral > News, published by Tony Nikischer?? > I get the following error when attempting to email some club > information... > > > > The original message was received at Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:43:31 -0500 > from smtp15.mailnet.ptd.net [204.186.29.8] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from relay.verizon.net.) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred: Connection reset by > relay.verizon.net. > Message could not be delivered for 5 days > Message will be deleted from queue > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Tue Mar 15 09:32:06 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Tue Mar 15 11:06:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] a favour (Philippines) References: <20050310064543.0499E37CF3@sitemail.everyone.net> <000701c52576$09233c80$62a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <42371C16.1A2FD560@gmx.de> Hello, this is a hard one. The only hint I can find at the moment : Mancayan or Mantayan, Luzon, Philippinen is/was type locality of luzonite (WEISBACH 1874). Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Peter J. Modreski schrieb: > Darren, > > Since you ask that... I don't have any advice immediately to offer, but > perhaps your friend can give some helpful info to someone else who was just > asking: they are going to the Philippines and wondered if anyone knew > anything at all about places where one might collect, or purchase from the > source, any minerals or gems. It seems that very little in the way of > minerals comes from the Philippines. If your friend has any advice at all > (or if anyone else on this list does), I'd be very pleased to pass it on to > the person who inquired. You may answer on- or off- this list, if you can > get any suggestions. Does anyone know of any mines or other locations, that > are producing any kind of mineral or gem specimens? > > Thank you, Pete Modreski > From digem at plateautel.net Tue Mar 15 20:42:15 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Mar 15 20:30:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours References: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050314185626.025d2280@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <4237B927.3000000@plateautel.net> The specimens from the Trinity Site are referred to as Trinitite according to the Public Affairs office on White Sands Missile Range, NM where the site is. It has been capitalized in every book but one that I have read on the site but I am not out for any grammar awards. I live just 25 miles from the Trinity Site (which is capitalized) and out of respect for the significance of the site I have always capitalized Trinitite. If you would like to you can visit the site only two days a year. The first Saturday of April and October each year. On those days they do give out a little booklet that tells a little about the history and the fused glass called Trinitite. Allison Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. It's not an > approved mineral, of course---it's fused glass, isn't it? I think > it's considered man-made because it was the result of the atomic bomb, > but the name comes from the location: Trinity, New Mexico. Not > Trinite, not Trinitite, but Trinityite. But I've seen the other > spellings on many occasions. > > I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a > mineral name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if > the origin of the name was a place or personal name. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > At 03:09 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >> Thanks for the info. What you might get to see there is called >> Nevada-ite since Trinitite comes from the Trinity Site in New Mexico. >> I have seen pieces of the stuff from Nevada before and I have some of >> the Trinitite. >> Allison >> >> J Bryan Kramer wrote: >> >>> Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas >>> where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if >>> you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make >>> reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out >>> people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. >>> >>> http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm >>> >>> The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may >>> want to check it out: >>> >>> http://highwayswest.com/ >>> >>> The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, >>> strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper >>> out there. >>> >>> Bryan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Mar 15 21:12:48 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Mar 15 21:10:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: <031520051322.24254.4236E17A000067B600005EBE21587667209D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Don, I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be approved by the IMA, although I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. But seriously, how are we supposed to know how to pronounce some of these new minerals if the name has to be non-capitalized and all one word? For example, if I saw "degarciaite" in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce it! Is it "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but if I had, it would definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the IMA named a mineral after me, most people would have no idea how to pronounce it. By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) Regards, Bob Loeffler -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of morningstar@att.net Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. Hi, I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. > I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral > name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin of > the name was a place or personal name. Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; for example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral after De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite from a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually capitalized either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names and I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Mar 15 21:27:36 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Mar 15 21:25:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District In-Reply-To: <002e01c5272c$84885a60$258d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: Hi all (Kevin, Anthony, Don N., Don from AZ, etc), Thank you very much for the on-list/off-list info regarding locations in/around St. Louis, Missouri (USA). I now have more ideas of where to go and what to do the next time I'm there (hopefully within the next few months). This is what makes this mailing list an awesome global resource!!! :-) Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Conroy Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:54 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District Hi! I can add a bit to this. I used to go collecting with Chink 3 to 4 times a year, for several years. I still have several specimens that I collected on those trips, and wish I still had many of those that I let go of. Chink would lead underground (fortunately every time I went collecting the jeep was working!), and his father would run the hoist. We would take the ride in the bucket (that was attached to a metal cable, and hooked to a hoist) you mentioned, and at an arranged time would be back at the shaft to be lifted out again. One time we got done collecting, arrived at the bottom of the shaft at the appointed time, called for the bucket to pick us up, then nothing! We waited, and waited, and waited, then waited some more. FINALLY, after literally a few hours, here came the bucket. We got in and started the ride up. I should mention here that the "safety" method for knowing when to slow down and stop the bucket at the right level consisted of painted portions on the metal cable. Anyway, we were moving at a pretty good pace up the shaft, which was of no concern. What was a concern was we noticed we weren't slowing down as it was getting light (because we were nearing the top of the shaft), and we REALLY got "concerned" when we saw the ground go by as we were still rocketing toward the hoist! Fortunately our request for help (which consisted of yelling and screaming at the top of our lungs to STOP!) was heard just in time. After we unloaded from the bucket we found out the Chink's father had been out drinking (heavily), lost track of time, and had obviously missed the mark on the cable showing when to slow down and stop our assent! Some of the mineral pockets we collected in were truly impressive. There's a well known photo of Boodle Lane standing in a similar pocket; very large room sized and filled with calcite crystals up to about 3 feet long. The same sized pockets are/were present in the mines of the Viburnum Trend, Southern Illinois, and Elmwood Mining Districts. But I stray.... Chink would go underground through his mine shaft, but he would drive for miles underground. This meant he obviously wasn't on his property anymore. He would dig anywhere that he found ore or crystals, and would often blast in doing so. The mines in the Tri-State District weren't very deep to begin with, and as they began to fill with water the collecting/prospecting moved to the uppermost levels of the mines. So.... when he blasted sometimes it could be felt by those living above the mine workings. It didn't take long for folks to find out who was behind this. However, this isn't why Chink went "missing". He liked to gamble and chase women. Not necessarily bad things in their own right, but unfortunately he chose to, um..., "date" some married women. Picher, Oklahoma is a small town, and as what happens in many small towns it's hard to keep a secret like that for long. Chink was found at the bottom of his mine shaft. He had been shot, and he still had a wallet full of cash so robbery was definitely not the motive. Chances are one of the husbands took great offence to his behavior and ended it permanently. All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District > Dear Don, > In my youth I spent a couple of days in the Tri State District on my way > back east to take a job mixing chemicals for a large company. At that time > the hey day of mining was over in the district and only one large mine was > still operating in the district and they were pumping some of the water that > would have otherwise fllooded the mines and has subseuqently done so. > Rosenbury was still selling minerals or at least his widow was. Boodle Lane > had been gone for a few years before I arrived but there was a "highgrader" > by the name of Chink Enders that was running a little salvage operation near > Pitcher, Oklahoma and I made a deal with him to take me underground. It > boiled down to riding a bucket down into one of the mines where he turned me > loose to collect what I could. He apologized that his little desel powere > jeep was broken and he really could not take me much of anywhere. The mines > were huge underground and you could easily get lost in them if you were not > careful. He said at one time you could drive fifty or sixty miles > underground to various mines in various states and I don't doubt it. Even > them some parts of the mine were flooded. I remember looking through a hole > into a living room size cave full of big calcite crystals. I collected three > peach baskets full of calcite and galena speicmens and was well satisfied > with my haul. I used to wonder what happened to the hundreds of tons of > specimens that the district produced. Now I know they mostly got dirty, > broken and thrown away. Even in its inactive state, there were more > specimens there in the walls than an army of collectors could collect. They > are still down there, and I am sure that when the price of lead and zinc is > high enough some of the mines will be opened again. During the Second World > war, many of the big surface dumps were remilled and all the big rocks were > broken down into pea gravel sizes and even those dumps were being hauled > away for road metal. Today I think would have to search hard for any > sizeable dump. A whole way of life that developed around the mines is not > gone but the memories of it are still kept alive by the various historical > societies in the area. No one knows what happened to Chink Enders. A lot of > people in the area didn't like him because they thought he robbed pillers in > the mines and was not well liked. Some think that he was dropped down a mine > shaft. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Tue Mar 15 21:37:05 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Mar 15 21:37:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: <4237B927.3000000@plateautel.net> References: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050314185626.025d2280@incoming.verizon.net> <4237B927.3000000@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050315184105.02620d80@incoming.verizon.net> Thanks for that information, Allison. I based my statement on my memory (BAD resource!---but from several different sources over the last 40 years or so), one book---can't find it right now---and on Mindat. I know---Mindat is not always right. So I apologize for seeming authoritative when I was obviously not. I will keep my mouth shut (or rather fingers on keyboard controlled) in future on subjects I'm not expert on...that means most things. Sorry. Aloha, Kitty At 06:42 PM 3/15/2005, you wrote: >The specimens from the Trinity Site are referred to as Trinitite according >to the Public Affairs office on White Sands Missile Range, NM where the >site is. It has been capitalized in every book but one that I have read on >the site but I am not out for any grammar awards. I live just 25 miles >from the Trinity Site (which is capitalized) and out of respect for the >significance of the site I have always capitalized Trinitite. If you would >like to you can visit the site only two days a year. The first Saturday of >April and October each year. On those days they do give out a little >booklet that tells a little about the history and the fused glass called >Trinitite. >Allison > >Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > >>Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. It's not an >>approved mineral, of course---it's fused glass, isn't it? I think it's >>considered man-made because it was the result of the atomic bomb, but the >>name comes from the location: Trinity, New Mexico. Not Trinite, not >>Trinitite, but Trinityite. But I've seen the other spellings on many >>occasions. >> >>I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral >>name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin >>of the name was a place or personal name. >> >>Aloha, Kitty >> >> >> >> >> >>At 03:09 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >> >>>Thanks for the info. What you might get to see there is called >>>Nevada-ite since Trinitite comes from the Trinity Site in New Mexico. I >>>have seen pieces of the stuff from Nevada before and I have some of the >>>Trinitite. >>>Allison >>> >>>J Bryan Kramer wrote: >>> >>>>Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas >>>>where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if >>>>you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make >>>>reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out >>>>people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. >>>> >>>>http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm >>>> >>>>The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may >>>>want to check it out: >>>> >>>>http://highwayswest.com/ >>>> >>>>The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, >>>>strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper >>>>out there. >>>> >>>>Bryan >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>>Subscription Services: >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 04:53:37 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Mar 16 04:53:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050315184105.02620d80@incoming.verizon.net> References: <423635E2.7090107@plateautel.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050314185626.025d2280@incoming.verizon.net> <4237B927.3000000@plateautel.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050315184105.02620d80@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: I understand that there is no more Trinitite at the test site. I had heard that, and asked Bob Blanton when we were out there last year and he agreed that it was all eroded away. Bryan On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:37:05 -1000, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Thanks for that information, Allison. I based my statement on my memory > (BAD resource!---but from several different sources over the last 40 years > or so), one book---can't find it right now---and on Mindat. I > know---Mindat is not always right. So I apologize for seeming > authoritative when I was obviously not. I will keep my mouth shut (or > rather fingers on keyboard controlled) in future on subjects I'm not expert > on...that means most things. Sorry. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 06:42 PM 3/15/2005, you wrote: > >The specimens from the Trinity Site are referred to as Trinitite according > >to the Public Affairs office on White Sands Missile Range, NM where the > >site is. It has been capitalized in every book but one that I have read on > >the site but I am not out for any grammar awards. I live just 25 miles > >from the Trinity Site (which is capitalized) and out of respect for the > >significance of the site I have always capitalized Trinitite. If you would > >like to you can visit the site only two days a year. The first Saturday of > >April and October each year. On those days they do give out a little > >booklet that tells a little about the history and the fused glass called > >Trinitite. > >Allison > > > >Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > >>Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. It's not an > >>approved mineral, of course---it's fused glass, isn't it? I think it's > >>considered man-made because it was the result of the atomic bomb, but the > >>name comes from the location: Trinity, New Mexico. Not Trinite, not > >>Trinitite, but Trinityite. But I've seen the other spellings on many > >>occasions. > >> > >>I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral > >>name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin > >>of the name was a place or personal name. > >> > >>Aloha, Kitty > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>At 03:09 PM 3/14/2005, you wrote: > >> > >>>Thanks for the info. What you might get to see there is called > >>>Nevada-ite since Trinitite comes from the Trinity Site in New Mexico. I > >>>have seen pieces of the stuff from Nevada before and I have some of the > >>>Trinitite. > >>>Allison > >>> > >>>J Bryan Kramer wrote: > >>> > >>>>Another Blog discovery. The Nevada test site, the place near Los Vegas > >>>>where they tested the bombs is now doing tours. SDounds interesting if > >>>>you are in the area. They are only once a month and you have to make > >>>>reservations in advance and it sounds like they are checking out > >>>>people before hand. But you might get to see some Trinite. > >>>> > >>>>http://www.nv.doe.gov/nts/tours.htm > >>>> > >>>>The blog where I got this is very interesting in itself and you may > >>>>want to check it out: > >>>> > >>>>http://highwayswest.com/ > >>>> > >>>>The blogger has very interesting bits about the far West, ghost towns, > >>>>strange spots and so on. He seems to be a travel editor for a paper > >>>>out there. > >>>> > >>>>Bryan > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>>>Subscription Services: > >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>>Subscription Services: > >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > >> > >> > >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >>multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >>--- > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >>Subscription Services: > >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 16 05:42:28 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Wed Mar 16 05:30:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: Message-ID: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> How to pronounce mineral names is one of those perennial problems, that never seems to have any perfect solution. One example that comes to mind is the zeolite mineral, cowlesite; it's not pronounced like "cow", but rather, like "coal", because that's the way the gentleman it was named after pronounced his name. But how is one to know that, unless someone tells you (and you remember)? The Photoatlas of Minerals does have an audio pronunciation of mineral names--though of course, you have to depend on the people who made the CD to "get them right". And a lot of names, people still debate over, or different regions or countries, pronounce them differently--like wol-'las-ton-ite, or 'wol-las-ton-ite. And then there are the names as we've said before, that are totally spelled, and pronounced, differently in different languages. [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce "Goethite" !] Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > Hi Don, > > I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be approved by the IMA, although > I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. But seriously, how are we > supposed to know how to pronounce some of these new minerals if the name has > to be non-capitalized and all one word? For example, if I saw "degarciaite" > in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce it! Is it > "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've > never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but if I had, it would > definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the IMA named a mineral after > me, most people would have no idea how to pronounce it. > > By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > > Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. > > Hi, > > I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct > spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. > > > I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral > > name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin of > > the name was a place or personal name. > > Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of > approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; for > example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral after > De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I > imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & > Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, > but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite from > a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually capitalized > either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names and > I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Wed Mar 16 06:08:29 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Wed Mar 16 06:09:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> References: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> Message-ID: > >[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce >"Goethite" !] > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to pronouncing it correctly! Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From bg at his.com Wed Mar 16 07:01:40 2005 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Wed Mar 16 07:01:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] bryon brookmyer In-Reply-To: References: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> Message-ID: <5456208c5c3ceeaffaa56be583b6355a@his.com> does anyone have an e-mail address for bryon? thanks, cathy From xossfs at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 08:11:07 2005 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Wed Mar 16 08:11:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> Message-ID: <20050316161108.1194.qmail@web20022.mail.yahoo.com> need to make a mineal name dictionary it sounds like. Or maybe the next a dana i created we can get pronuciation asan addtional bit of info. Then the only things we would have to worry about is regional vocal issues. Can you imagine some of those names said with an Indian or Asian accent. (not to biggoted or nuttin, but we just do not unerstan ya'll out there away form th edeep south) ;-) --- "Peter J. Modreski" wrote: > How to pronounce mineral names is one of those > perennial problems, that > never seems to have any perfect solution. One > example that comes to mind is > the zeolite mineral, cowlesite; it's not pronounced > like "cow", but rather, > like "coal", because that's the way the gentleman it > was named after > pronounced his name. But how is one to know that, > unless someone tells you > (and you remember)? > > The Photoatlas of Minerals does have an audio > pronunciation of mineral > names--though of course, you have to depend on the > people who made the CD to > "get them right". And a lot of names, people still > debate over, or > different regions or countries, pronounce them > differently--like > wol-'las-ton-ite, or 'wol-las-ton-ite. And then > there are the names as > we've said before, that are totally spelled, and > pronounced, differently in > different languages. > > [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER > agrees on how to pronounce > "Goethite" !] > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Loeffler" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > > > Hi Don, > > > > I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be > approved by the IMA, although > > I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. > But seriously, how are we > > supposed to know how to pronounce some of these > new minerals if the name > has > > to be non-capitalized and all one word? For > example, if I saw > "degarciaite" > > in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce > it! Is it > > "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or > "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've > > never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but > if I had, it would > > definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the > IMA named a mineral after > > me, most people would have no idea how to > pronounce it. > > > > By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Loeffler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On > Behalf Of > > morningstar@att.net > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > > > Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is > Trinityite. > > > > Hi, > > > > I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't > mean it's the correct > > spelling. I've never seen any of the other > variants. > > > > > I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus > was on whether a > mineral > > > name (or even a non-approved thing) should be > capitalized if the origin > of > > > the name was a place or personal name. > > > > Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on > that one. The names of > > approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces > to avoid confusion; for > > example, a mineral named for LaForge would be > laforgeite and a mineral > after > > De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty > straightforward though I > > imagine John White could find a reason to whine > about it in his Rocks & > > Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names > have no such standard, > > but except for formally trademarked names like > Larimar (blue pectolite > from > > a Carribean island), I don't recall that such > names are usually > capitalized > > either. However, as I stated, there are no rules > for non-approved names > and > > I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. > > > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From william.s.cordua at uwrf.edu Wed Mar 16 08:37:00 2005 From: william.s.cordua at uwrf.edu (William Cordua) Date: Wed Mar 16 08:37:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I remember one field trip I was on, digging in an old iron mine dump. A newbie came over with some interesting botryoidal goethite for me to I.D. I said "Oh, that's some nice GER-TITE". She then showed it to some one else who remarked "Wow, look at the GAY-TITE". She then came over to her husband who was digging nearby me and said. "Wow, we have both GER-TITE and GAY-TITE on the same rock!" So how do you pronouce it, Pete? Bill C. on 3/16/05 8:08 AM, Pete Richards at rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu wrote: >> >> [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce >> "Goethite" !] >> > > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to > pronouncing it correctly! > > Pete Richards From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Mar 16 09:02:17 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Mar 16 09:02:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <031620051702.22784.423866990004674F00005900216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Wow, before I ever try to say "goethite", I have to rehearse a bit and do a few vocal chord exercises and get things all ready to make it come out right. I did take 3 years of German in college, so I think I know how I'm "supposed" to say it. But how do I represent that via keyboard characters? I kind of say, Gehhh-tite and of course by the "ehhh" sound I mean kind of a long combination of an "eh", "er", "ah:, sound, all rolled together as one. I'm sure all that makes very little sense to anyone else! The one that really gets me is peridot--I had a conversation about that, with a couple of people back at the Tucson show. I say "per-i-dote" mostly, but sometimes I say "per-i-dot", too. I never say "per-i-doe", but I know some people like it that way! Vive la difference! Pete -------------- Original message from William Cordua : -------------- > I remember one field trip I was on, digging in an old iron mine dump. A > newbie came over with some interesting botryoidal goethite for me to I.D. I > said "Oh, that's some nice GER-TITE". She then showed it to some one else > who remarked "Wow, look at the GAY-TITE". She then came over to her husband > who was digging nearby me and said. "Wow, we have both GER-TITE and > GAY-TITE on the same rock!" > So how do you pronouce it, Pete? > > Bill C. > > > on 3/16/05 8:08 AM, Pete Richards at rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu wrote: > > >> > >> [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce > >> "Goethite" !] > >> > > > > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to > > pronouncing it correctly! > > > > Pete Richards > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 09:03:27 2005 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Wed Mar 16 09:03:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316170327.31838.qmail@web61004.mail.yahoo.com> In checking a number of internet dictionary pronunciations for "goethite" I find that the mineral is named for J. W. von Goethe and that it is pronounced "goth' ite" or "go'thite" or "go' tite"(long "o" and long "i" for each case) which incidentally how one would phonetically pronounce it (at least the first and second forms) and the way I've always heard it pronounced here in Austin, Texas where I live. Just courious, where is it pronounced ger-tite or gay-tite? Perhaps more to the point, how did von Goethe pronounce his last name? Again, the dictionaries show his name pronounced in accordance with the mineral pronounciations above. Tom --- William Cordua wrote: > I remember one field trip I was on, digging in an old iron mine > dump. A > newbie came over with some interesting botryoidal goethite for me to > I.D. I > said "Oh, that's some nice GER-TITE". She then showed it to some one > else > who remarked "Wow, look at the GAY-TITE". She then came over to her > husband > who was digging nearby me and said. "Wow, we have both GER-TITE and > GAY-TITE on the same rock!" > So how do you pronouce it, Pete? > > Bill C. > > > on 3/16/05 8:08 AM, Pete Richards at rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu wrote: > > >> > >> [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to > pronounce > >> "Goethite" !] > >> > > > > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close > to > > pronouncing it correctly! > > > > Pete Richards > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From kahako at verizon.net Wed Mar 16 09:17:22 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 16 09:17:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> References: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050316071615.025cb3e8@incoming.verizon.net> Chalcedony is another one that seems to have a lot of different pronunciations. Kitty At 03:42 AM 3/16/2005, you wrote: >How to pronounce mineral names is one of those perennial problems, that >never seems to have any perfect solution. One example that comes to mind is >the zeolite mineral, cowlesite; it's not pronounced like "cow", but rather, >like "coal", because that's the way the gentleman it was named after >pronounced his name. But how is one to know that, unless someone tells you >(and you remember)? > >The Photoatlas of Minerals does have an audio pronunciation of mineral >names--though of course, you have to depend on the people who made the CD to >"get them right". And a lot of names, people still debate over, or >different regions or countries, pronounce them differently--like >wol-'las-ton-ite, or 'wol-las-ton-ite. And then there are the names as >we've said before, that are totally spelled, and pronounced, differently in >different languages. > >[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce >"Goethite" !] > >Pete From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 09:17:41 2005 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Wed Mar 16 09:17:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316171741.77951.qmail@web61010.mail.yahoo.com> Regarding peridot - who knows. Here's what I found on the web. Tom http://www.thaigem.com/buyer_peridot.asp Peridot Buyer's Guide The pronunciation of this popular gem is often confused and should be pronounced pair-ee-doh, as opposed to pair-ee-dot. http://www.pmjonline.com/aug_peridot.htm The pronunciation of peridot is often confused, it is actually pronounced pear-a-doe instead of pear-a-dot. http://www.airesjewelers.com/peridot.htm History and Name: eridot's history begins on a small desert island 50 miles or so off the southeast coast of Egypt in the Red Sea. The name of the island has changed many times over recorded history. Ancient literature calls the island Topazion, sometimes referred to as Topazos, but it now goes by two names-- its most recent label, Zabargad, and its immediate past name of St. John's. "Zabargad" is the Arabic word for peridot, although the English word "peridot" is said to have com from "Faridat," the Arabic word for gem. Coming from "faridat" could account for the American Southwest's pronunciation of peridot as "PEAR-a-dot," instead of the more common pronunciation (taken from the French), "PEAR-a-doe." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. peridot SYLLABICATION:per·i·dotPRONUNCIATION: pr-dt, -dNOUN:A yellowish-green variety of olivine used as a gem. ETYMOLOGY:Middle English, from Old French.OTHER FORMS: peri·dotic (-dtk, -dtk) —ADJECTIVE http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/silicate/olivine/olivine.htm Olivine's gemstone variety, known as peridot, is one of the most mispronounced of gemstone names. The correct pronunciation has peridot rhyming with doe or depot. But peridot is often pronounced incorrectly so that it rhymes with dot. pjmodreski@att.net wrote: Wow, before I ever try to say "goethite", I have to rehearse a bit and do a few vocal chord exercises and get things all ready to make it come out right. I did take 3 years of German in college, so I think I know how I'm "supposed" to say it. But how do I represent that via keyboard characters? I kind of say, Gehhh-tite and of course by the "ehhh" sound I mean kind of a long combination of an "eh", "er", "ah:, sound, all rolled together as one. I'm sure all that makes very little sense to anyone else! The one that really gets me is peridot--I had a conversation about that, with a couple of people back at the Tucson show. I say "per-i-dote" mostly, but sometimes I say "per-i-dot", too. I never say "per-i-doe", but I know some people like it that way! Vive la difference! Pete -------------- Original message from William Cordua : -------------- > I remember one field trip I was on, digging in an old iron mine dump. A > newbie came over with some interesting botryoidal goethite for me to I.D. I > said "Oh, that's some nice GER-TITE". She then showed it to some one else > who remarked "Wow, look at the GAY-TITE". She then came over to her husband > who was digging nearby me and said. "Wow, we have both GER-TITE and > GAY-TITE on the same rock!" > So how do you pronouce it, Pete? > > Bill C. > > > on 3/16/05 8:08 AM, Pete Richards at rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu wrote: > > >> > >> [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce > >> "Goethite" !] > >> > > > > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to > > pronouncing it correctly! > > > > Pete Richards > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 09:28:15 2005 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Wed Mar 16 09:28:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316172815.13710.qmail@web61005.mail.yahoo.com> >From the web: chal•ced•o•ny Pronunciation: (kal-sed'n-ç, kal'su-dô"nç), [key] —n., —pl. -nies. a microcrystalline, translucent variety of quartz, often milky or grayish. Random House Unabridged Dictionary, Copyright © 1997, by Random House, Inc., on Infoplease http://www.bartleby.com/61/79/C0227900.html SYLLABICATION:chal·ced·o·ny PRONUNCIATION: kl-sdn- http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/Chalcedony Pronunciation: kal'sednee Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: Chalcedony is another one that seems to have a lot of different pronunciations. Kitty At 03:42 AM 3/16/2005, you wrote: >How to pronounce mineral names is one of those perennial problems, that >never seems to have any perfect solution. One example that comes to mind is >the zeolite mineral, cowlesite; it's not pronounced like "cow", but rather, >like "coal", because that's the way the gentleman it was named after >pronounced his name. But how is one to know that, unless someone tells you >(and you remember)? > >The Photoatlas of Minerals does have an audio pronunciation of mineral >names--though of course, you have to depend on the people who made the CD to >"get them right". And a lot of names, people still debate over, or >different regions or countries, pronounce them differently--like >wol-'las-ton-ite, or 'wol-las-ton-ite. And then there are the names as >we've said before, that are totally spelled, and pronounced, differently in >different languages. > >[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce >"Goethite" !] > >Pete _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Wed Mar 16 10:29:05 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Mar 16 10:29:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <031620051702.22784.423866990004674F00005900216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c52a56$0befdbf0$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> I pronounce it "ger-tight" because it was named after Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and I thought his name was pronounced "ger-ta". The oe in German is pronounced "er" right? I've heard it pronounced "goey-thite" and that just makes my skin crawl. Anita D. Westlake -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:02 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names Wow, before I ever try to say "goethite", I have to rehearse a bit and do a few vocal chord exercises and get things all ready to make it come out right. I did take 3 years of German in college, so I think I know how I'm "supposed" to say it. But how do I represent that via keyboard characters? I kind of say, Gehhh-tite and of course by the "ehhh" sound I mean kind of a long combination of an "eh", "er", "ah:, sound, all rolled together as one. I'm sure all that makes very little sense to anyone else! The one that really gets me is peridot--I had a conversation about that, with a couple of people back at the Tucson show. I say "per-i-dote" mostly, but sometimes I say "per-i-dot", too. I never say "per-i-doe", but I know some people like it that way! Vive la difference! Pete -------------- Original message from William Cordua : -------------- > I remember one field trip I was on, digging in an old iron mine dump. A > newbie came over with some interesting botryoidal goethite for me to I.D. I > said "Oh, that's some nice GER-TITE". She then showed it to some one else > who remarked "Wow, look at the GAY-TITE". She then came over to her husband > who was digging nearby me and said. "Wow, we have both GER-TITE and > GAY-TITE on the same rock!" > So how do you pronouce it, Pete? > > Bill C. > > > on 3/16/05 8:08 AM, Pete Richards at rpr@nike.heidelberg.edu wrote: > > >> > >> [And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce > >> "Goethite" !] > >> > > > > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to > > pronouncing it correctly! > > > > Pete Richards > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Mar 16 10:31:47 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Mar 16 10:31:49 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <031620051831.22230.42387B9300024B74000056D6216046664807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> My first comment was just going to be, "All right-thinking people just say kal-sed-nee", and Tom gave good dictionary examples, that all use the "k". Though, to be honest, when I say, I tend to always give it 4 syllables: kal-se-do-nee . Doesn't everyone?? And this brings to mind a classic line that I always remember (maybe I've even quoted in online here before), when once an English gentleman gave a geology lecture (wherever it was here in the U.S.), and he was talking about metal mineralization in submarine pillow lavas; and he spoke about the (I'll try to write it as he said it), "chal-co-py-rite in the vee-si-kles" (with the "ch-" pronouned as in "cheese", and vesicles as we'd say "vehicles"). We American folks just don't say it that way! But I suspect he (and his compatriots) would have always also say "chalcedony" as in "cheese", too. Pete -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > Chalcedony is another one that seems to have a lot of different pronunciations. > > Kitty > > > > At 03:42 AM 3/16/2005, you wrote: > >How to pronounce mineral names is one of those perennial problems, that > >never seems to have any perfect solution. One example that comes to mind is > >the zeolite mineral, cowlesite; it's not pronounced like "cow", but rather, > >like "coal", because that's the way the gentleman it was named after > >pronounced his name. But how is one to know that, unless someone tells you > >(and you remember)? > > > >The Photoatlas of Minerals does have an audio pronunciation of mineral > >names--though of course, you have to depend on the people who made the CD to > >"get them right". And a lot of names, people still debate over, or > >different regions or countries, pronounce them differently--like > >wol-'las-ton-ite, or 'wol-las-ton-ite. And then there are the names as > >we've said before, that are totally spelled, and pronounced, differently in > >different languages. > > > >[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce > >"Goethite" !] > > > >Pete > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 16 10:35:03 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 16 10:35:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503161835.j2GIZ5G3019575@outmx023.isp.belgacom.be> If anyone is interested : I can give free lessons in goethology :>) I don?t know if it really helps, but the ?oe? is just pronounced like ? (O with ?umlaut?), or about the sound of a cow in its lower frequency range (?Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh?). BTW, the G is not pronouced like a g, but rather like a g... And forget about the ?h?. Beeeeuuuuhhhh, pardon, Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Pete Richards Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:08 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > >[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce >"Goethite" !] > And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to pronouncing it correctly! Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 10:39:32 2005 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Wed Mar 16 10:39:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316183932.2890.qmail@web61006.mail.yahoo.com> In truth, I usually say: kal _SID _uh _knee. But I'm meaning to say kal_SED_knee; it's just my lazy Texas tongue. pjmodreski@att.net wrote:My first comment was just going to be, "All right-thinking people just say kal-sed-nee", and Tom gave good dictionary examples, that all use the "k". Though, to be honest, when I say, I tend to always give it 4 syllables: kal-se-do-nee . Doesn't everyone?? And this brings to mind a classic line that I always remember (maybe I've even quoted in online here before), when once an English gentleman gave a geology lecture (wherever it was here in the U.S.), and he was talking about metal mineralization in submarine pillow lavas; and he spoke about the (I'll try to write it as he said it), "chal-co-py-rite in the vee-si-kles" (with the "ch-" pronouned as in "cheese", and vesicles as we'd say "vehicles"). We American folks just don't say it that way! But I suspect he (and his compatriots) would have always also say "chalcedony" as in "cheese", too. Pete -------------- Original message from Kitty & Bill Heacox : -------------- > Chalcedony is another one that seems to have a lot of different pronunciations. > > Kitty > > > > At 03:42 AM 3/16/2005, you wrote: > >How to pronounce mineral names is one of those perennial problems, that > >never seems to have any perfect solution. One example that comes to mind is > >the zeolite mineral, cowlesite; it's not pronounced like "cow", but rather, > >like "coal", because that's the way the gentleman it was named after > >pronounced his name. But how is one to know that, unless someone tells you > >(and you remember)? > > > >The Photoatlas of Minerals does have an audio pronunciation of mineral > >names--though of course, you have to depend on the people who made the CD to > >"get them right". And a lot of names, people still debate over, or > >different regions or countries, pronounce them differently--like > >wol-'las-ton-ite, or 'wol-las-ton-ite. And then there are the names as > >we've said before, that are totally spelled, and pronounced, differently in > >different languages. > > > >[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce > >"Goethite" !] > > > >Pete > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 16 10:46:21 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 16 10:46:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <00ed01c52a56$0befdbf0$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <200503161846.j2GIkMMn024317@outmx018.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Anita Westlake Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:29 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] mineral names I pronounce it "ger-tight" because it was named after Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and I thought his name was pronounced "ger-ta". The oe in German is pronounced "er" right? [Rik Dillen] No ! Just "?" or "eu" I found a suggestion on the web to explain to English speaking people how to prounounce the "oe" in Goethe : it's nearly (but not exactly) like the single vowel in the English "girl" or "bird" I've heard it pronounced "goey-thite" and that just makes my skin crawl. [Rik Dillen] I think that everyone is making this far more complex than it is : it is not a diphthong but a single vowel. Mit freunlichen Gr?ssen, Rik (no, I'm not German) From rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu Wed Mar 16 10:50:41 2005 From: rpr at nike.heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Wed Mar 16 10:50:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <200503161835.j2GIZ5G3019575@outmx023.isp.belgacom.be> References: <200503161835.j2GIZ5G3019575@outmx023.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: You're right Rik. The problem is most english speakers don't know how to pronounce ?. To the others out there, I would say that of the multiple American murderings of poor Goethe's name, Ger-tite comes the closest. If you can put your mouth in the position to say the "er" part, but actually not say the "r" sound, you'll be pretty close. But when said with a full rolling midwestern "r", it really grates on the ears of someone who knows German! >:^) Pete Richards >If anyone is interested : I can give free lessons in goethology :>) > >I don?t know if it really helps, but the ?oe? is just pronounced like ? (O with ?umlaut?), or about the sound of a cow >in its lower frequency range (?Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh?). BTW, the G is not pronouced like a g, but rather like a g... > >And forget about the ?h?. > > > >Beeeeuuuuhhhh, pardon, Greetings, > > > >Rik DILLEN > >Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > >Belgium > >E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > >Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen > >>>> Belgian minerals > >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! > >>>> Exchange list > > > >MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 > >Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > >Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > >http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > >Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Pete Richards > >Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:08 PM > >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > > > >> > >>[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to pronounce > >>"Goethite" !] > >> > > > >And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to pronouncing it correctly! > > > >Pete Richards > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >R. Peter Richards > >rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > > >Mineral collector > >Crystallographer > >SHAPE for the Macintosh > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 16 11:25:41 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Wed Mar 16 11:25:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> Message-ID: <004901c52a5d$f1a22e30$78f1edc1@mpc1> How about explaining, especially in a non-English tongue, the difference between "fizelyite" and "veszelyite" or figuring out that a German's "vevellite" is not "wavellite" but "whewellite" (which should be pronounced "huellite" in English ...). Mick From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Mar 16 12:11:24 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Wed Mar 16 12:11:27 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <031620052011.22628.423892EC00077ADC000058642197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Hey! Ah probley repurrzent theyat remark! Given all the accents and dialects of people we encounter, I always try to listen to what's said, not how it was said. My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. I work with the general public, and I can believe sometimes how people can murder plain ol english. They learn words the way they think they hear them and that's what sticks. I can understand how mineral names can be difficult to pronounce when you've only read the names in a book, and never heard anyone pronounce them correctly. You have to give folks a lot of leeway when trying to pronounce minerals named after people whose language is not your own. I learned how chalcedony was pronounced only last year. Thank goodness I never needed to actually say it out loud before I saw the pronunciation written out in a rock book. Jeanette >From as deep in the South as you can get.... Florida doesn't count. (not to biggoted or nuttin, > but we just do not unerstan ya'll out there away form > th edeep south) ;-) > > > --- "Peter J. Modreski" > wrote: > From libawc at emory.edu Wed Mar 16 12:35:50 2005 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita Westlake) Date: Wed Mar 16 12:35:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <031620052011.22628.423892EC00077ADC000058642197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <010801c52a67$bde4e560$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> I had a friend from Czechoslovakia who said for years: "It's a doggy dog world". I asked him to repeat it just in case I didn't hear him correctly. He said the same thing. I told him (as kindly as I could) that the expression was "It's a dog-eat-dog world." He looked at me with amazement and said "Well, that makes a LOT more sense!" :) Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of geenet2@mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:11 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names Hey! Ah probley repurrzent theyat remark! Given all the accents and dialects of people we encounter, I always try to listen to what's said, not how it was said. My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. I work with the general public, and I can believe sometimes how people can murder plain ol english. They learn words the way they think they hear them and that's what sticks. I can understand how mineral names can be difficult to pronounce when you've only read the names in a book, and never heard anyone pronounce them correctly. You have to give folks a lot of leeway when trying to pronounce minerals named after people whose language is not your own. I learned how chalcedony was pronounced only last year. Thank goodness I never needed to actually say it out loud before I saw the pronunciation written out in a rock book. Jeanette >From as deep in the South as you can get.... Florida doesn't count. (not to biggoted or nuttin, > but we just do not unerstan ya'll out there away form > th edeep south) ;-) > > > --- "Peter J. Modreski" > wrote: > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 16 12:40:12 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 16 12:40:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <004901c52a5d$f1a22e30$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: <200503162040.j2GKeE1f025502@outmx005.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mick Cooper Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:26 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names How about explaining, especially in a non-English tongue, the difference between "fizelyite" and "veszelyite" [Rik Dillen] The difference would be like (exaggerating) "fizzzzelyite" versus "vesssss(z)elyite" or figuring out that a German's "vevellite" is not "wavellite" but "whewellite" (which should be pronounced "huellite" in English ...). [Rik Dillen] You're right. That's a though one. I would have the same difficulty with "huellite" as you have with "vevellit". Anyway, believe me or not, only in English an "a" is often pronounced like an "e". When a German would speak about "wavellit", he would pronounce the "a" like in the English "ass" (sorry, couldn't resist). BTW I can assure you that my spelling checker / language chooser is very confused after this message :>) What the heck am I teaching you German lessons ? After all, I'm Flemish. Hey, where are you, German friends... help me ! Greetings, Rik Dillen From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Mar 16 12:45:48 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Mar 16 12:45:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <031620052045.18977.42389AFC000572F400004A21216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <<<< Hey! Ah probley repurrzent theyat remark! <<<< Given all the accents and dialects of people we encounter, I always try to <<<< listen to what's said, not how it was said. <<<< My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. I must admit, Jeanette, that I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say, by "plasket"! But your email "handle" is cute, geenet = Jeanette Another mineral name that has always bugged me (Earl V. may remember this) is one of the Sterling Hill NJ minerals, kraisslite (a Mn-Zn-arsenate-silicate with a rather complicated formula, named after Frederick and Alice Kraissl in 1978), which sounds just about identical to chrysolite, which is an old synonym for olivine--it's not a valid mineral name, but you find it in many older books, including the professional geological literature. [And oh yes, for the purist of course, it's not "a variety of olivine" like I just said, but rather, a variety of forsterite--I'll correct myself.] [And as a matter of fact--I just looked this up, and it surprised me-- in Dana's Texbook, for example (4th ed., 1932--the red one), olivine is actually listed under the prime heading of Chrysolite; the section is titled CHRYSOLITE. Olivine. Peridot. Now, the two names wouldn't sound alike, if I could pronounce kraisslite "kray-sel-ite" as I often would like to; however, my colleagues (such as Earl V.) assure me that the Kraissls pronounced their name "cry-sel" (that's "cry" as in "cryogenic"), hence, as far as I can tell, you say both words almost the same way, cry-sel-ite or cry-so-lite; who's being careful enough to tell the difference? Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapadary at aol.com Wed Mar 16 12:54:18 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 16 12:54:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <143.41540890.2f69f6fa@aol.com> In a message dated 3/16/2005 10:29:37 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, libawc@emory.edu writes: I pronounce it "ger-tight" because it was named after Johann Wolfgang vonGoethe and I thought his name was pronounced "ger-ta". The oe in German is pronounced "er" right? I've heard it pronounced "goey-thite" and that just makes my skin crawl. Anita ---------------------------------------------------------->>>>>>>>>>>> And how do we pronounce that tasty mollusk named a geoduck clam? Let's admit it, American English doesn't make any sense, or is it since -- especially when you are talking about rocks. A lot of words from other languages are now excepted English and they have been modified to reflect the way we actually hear them. But some words are simply predicated on an obscure root which makes it sound like a prefix was added -- like predicate -- which has a Latin root and is not dicate with a prefix meaning before. You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child learns to do -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 16 13:03:57 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:04:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <031620052045.18977.42389AFC000572F400004A21216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <200503162104.j2GL3wMg008594@outmx007.isp.belgacom.be> All of this is the main reason why after inventing the telephone, that instrument became obsolete (obsolite ? absolute ?) because people couldn't understand eachother. They invented e-mail instead, where words are actually written. Are they ? The first persons who tried to reverse that process again, the Belgians Lernout and Hauspie, are still in jail (in as far as I know). Oh boy, am I far off topic... sorry... that's not my habit... Aaron will probably fire me (no, I don't mean that I will burn...). Couldn't we change over to Esperanto, or Latin or so ? Cheers, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pjmodreski@att.net Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:46 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names <<<< Hey! Ah probley repurrzent theyat remark! <<<< Given all the accents and dialects of people we encounter, I always try to <<<< listen to what's said, not how it was said. <<<< My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. I must admit, Jeanette, that I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say, by "plasket"! But your email "handle" is cute, geenet = Jeanette Another mineral name that has always bugged me (Earl V. may remember this) is one of the Sterling Hill NJ minerals, kraisslite (a Mn-Zn-arsenate-silicate with a rather complicated formula, named after Frederick and Alice Kraissl in 1978), which sounds just about identical to chrysolite, which is an old synonym for olivine--it's not a valid mineral name, but you find it in many older books, including the professional geological literature. [And oh yes, for the purist of course, it's not "a variety of olivine" like I just said, but rather, a variety of forsterite--I'll correct myself.] [And as a matter of fact--I just looked this up, and it surprised me-- in Dana's Texbook, for example (4th ed., 1932--the red one), olivine is actually listed under the prime heading of Chrysolite; the section is titled CHRYSOLITE. Olivine. Peridot. Now, the two names wouldn't sound alike, if I could pronounce kraisslite "kray-sel-ite" as I often would like to; however, my colleagues (such as Earl V.) assure me that the Kraissls pronounced their name "cry-sel" (that's "cry" as in "cryogenic"), hence, as far as I can tell, you say both words almost the same way, cry-sel-ite or cry-so-lite; who's being careful enough to tell the difference? Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 16 13:10:25 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:10:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <143.41540890.2f69f6fa@aol.com> Message-ID: <200503162110.j2GLAQDD018599@outmx022.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lapadary@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child learns to do -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) was born was "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less say was not "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a geological fault), of course. I trained him for weeks to say that only word, and it worked ! Greetings, Rik From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 16 13:10:39 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:10:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <010801c52a67$bde4e560$96bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <005b01c52a6c$9bc43990$78f1edc1@mpc1> >I had a friend from Czechoslovakia who said for years: "It's a doggy dog > world". I asked him to repeat it just in case I didn't hear him correctly. > He said the same thing. I told him (as kindly as I could) that the > expression was "It's a dog-eat-dog world." He looked at me with amazement > and said "Well, that makes a LOT more sense!" :) That's great! I have a German girlfriend once who told me she was in money troubles but was hoping for a rainfall. I suggested she save it for a windy day... Mick From mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 16 13:18:46 2005 From: mauricedegraaf at xs4all.nl (Maurice de Graaf) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:18:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <004901c52a5d$f1a22e30$78f1edc1@mpc1> References: <001501c52a2e$0075a7a0$6aa3490c@pete> <004901c52a5d$f1a22e30$78f1edc1@mpc1> Message-ID: <4238A2B6.2060602@xs4all.nl> Allright that is 'just' German. Living only 15km from Germany our local Dutch dialect has quite a German tongue, so no problem here with Whewelite, Goethite or Greifensteinite. But have you ever thought about how we try to pronounce say Chinese, Inuit or Russian names :-) That must be awfull for native speakers! As for the Russian part it frequently causes probems with my Russian website. Because Russian is written in cyrillic, many characters have no equal in non slavic languages. Take for instance the Khibiny massiv. In Russian written with 'X' at the beginning. This is pronounced as a soft 'g', like the Stottish 'loch'. Like softly scraping your throat. In English this is always transcribed as 'Kh'. The problem is that Germans transcribe it as 'Ch'. In English 'Ch' stands for a sound like in 'Chernobyl'. So whenever you see a locality mentioned with 'ch' you have to wonder if this is German or English transcription. In German the Chernobyl sound should be written like "Tsj", yet I never see Eweslogtsjorr and always Eweslogchorr in German refs......"eweslogchorr" is by the way not Russian, but local Saami language. There are coutless more transcription errors for the Russian language alone. An 'e' is pronounced as 'ye' mostly. So you see both 'Ekaterinite' and 'Yekaterinite'. Something I did wrong for a long time was the "shch" sound such as in Shcherbakovite or Roshchinite. All Russian text and grammar books say it should be pronounced as "freSH-CHeese". While I was in Russia in a restaurant I saw Shche on the menu. (It is borsch without the beet roots). When I ordered it the waiter kindly made clear with a huge smile on his face that it is pronounced Shshshshe. Just like the English 'she' but with a longer (and slightly different sh) nowhere near the fresh-cheese rubbish :-)) Probably an old KGB trick to distinguish all non native Russians. :-) I don't even think about Chinese transcription and pronounciations errors. O what fun to have an international hobby :-) cheers, Maurice From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Mar 16 13:25:50 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:25:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <200503161846.j2GIkMMn024317@outmx018.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: OE like in Euthanasia or eustachius or eucalyptus? Ch?rs Euxel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Rik Dillen Verzonden: woensdag 16 maart 2005 19:46 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] mineral names -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Anita Westlake Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:29 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] mineral names I pronounce it "ger-tight" because it was named after Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and I thought his name was pronounced "ger-ta". The oe in German is pronounced "er" right? [Rik Dillen] No ! Just "?" or "eu" I found a suggestion on the web to explain to English speaking people how to prounounce the "oe" in Goethe : it's nearly (but not exactly) like the single vowel in the English "girl" or "bird" I've heard it pronounced "goey-thite" and that just makes my skin crawl. [Rik Dillen] I think that everyone is making this far more complex than it is : it is not a diphthong but a single vowel. Mit freunlichen Gr?ssen, Rik (no, I'm not German) _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 13:32:34 2005 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:32:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050316213234.75890.qmail@web61005.mail.yahoo.com> How does your son "LUK" pronounce his name? Rik Dillen wrote:-----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lapadary@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child learns to do -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) was born was "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less say was not "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a geological fault), of course. I trained him for weeks to say that only word, and it worked ! Greetings, Rik _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rik.dillen at skynet.be Wed Mar 16 13:49:21 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Wed Mar 16 13:49:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <20050316213234.75890.qmail@web61005.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200503162149.j2GLnMHR014742@outmx014.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tom Bowers Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:33 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] mineral names How does your son "LUK" pronounce his name? [Rik Dillen] Like "L?k" (I think it is comparable with the first vowel of "upsilon"). Anyway it's not like "Luke" or "luck" (or both, as in "Lucky Luke") Greetings, Rik From barny at mindspring.com Wed Mar 16 15:45:20 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Wed Mar 16 15:41:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small collection sale Raleigh,N.C Message-ID: <753CC0A4-9675-11D9-AB4C-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> Haven't posted often, just enjoyed list. Am downsizing, ready to retire and travel. Therefore, would like to sell a small mineral collection. if interested, please reply off list and will give info. thanks, barny From pnielsen at keene.edu Wed Mar 16 16:34:35 2005 From: pnielsen at keene.edu (Nielsen, Peter) Date: Wed Mar 16 16:34:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small collection sale Raleigh,N.C Message-ID: RGVhciBCYXJuZXksDQogDQpJIHRlYWNoIGdlb2xvZ3kgYXQgS2VlbmUgU3RhdGUgQ29sbGVnZSBp biBLZWVuZSwgTkguICBXZSBhcmUgYWx3YXlzIGxvb2tpbmcgdG8gYWNxdWlyZSBtYXRlcmlhbCBm b3IgdXNlIGluIGNsYXNzIG9yIGZvciBvdXIgZGlzcGxheSBjb2xsZWN0aW9uIGF0IHJlYXNvbmFi bGUgcHJpY2VzLiAgSWYgeW91ciBjb2xsZWN0aW9uIGlzIHN0aWxsIGF2YWlsYWJsZSwgSSB3b3Vs ZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlIHJlY2VpdmluZyBhIGxpc3Qgb2Ygd2hhdCBtYXRlcmlhbCB5b3UgaGF2ZSAo d2l0aCBsb2NhdGlvbiBkYXRhIGlmIHBvc3NpYmxlKSBhbmQgeW91ciBhc2tpbmcgcHJpY2UuXQ0K IA0KdGhhbmtzIGluIGFkdmFuY2UNCiANCnBldGUNCiANCiANCkRyLiBQZXRlciBBLiBOaWVsc2Vu DQpQcm9mZXNzb3IgYW5kIENoYWlyDQpEZXBhcnRtZW50IG9mIEdlb2xvZ3kNCktlZW5lIFN0YXRl IENvbGxlZ2UNCktlZW5lLCBOSCAgMDM0MzUNCg0KCS0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0t IA0KCUZyb206IFBlZ2d5IEJhcm5oaWxsIFttYWlsdG86YmFybnlAbWluZHNwcmluZy5jb21dIA0K CVNlbnQ6IFdlZCAzLzE2LzIwMDUgNjo0NSBQTSANCglUbzogQSBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QgZm9yIHJv Y2sgYW5kIGdlbSBjb2xsZWN0b3JzIA0KCUNjOiANCglTdWJqZWN0OiBbUm9ja2hvdW5kc10gc21h bGwgY29sbGVjdGlvbiBzYWxlIFJhbGVpZ2gsTi5DDQoJDQoJDQoNCgkgICAgSGF2ZW4ndCBwb3N0 ZWQgb2Z0ZW4sIGp1c3QgZW5qb3llZCBsaXN0Lg0KCQ0KCUFtIGRvd25zaXppbmcsIHJlYWR5IHRv IHJldGlyZSBhbmQgdHJhdmVsLg0KCQ0KCVRoZXJlZm9yZSwgd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBzZWxsICBh IHNtYWxsIG1pbmVyYWwgY29sbGVjdGlvbi4NCgkNCglpZiBpbnRlcmVzdGVkLCBwbGVhc2UgcmVw bHkgb2ZmIGxpc3QgYW5kIHdpbGwgZ2l2ZSBpbmZvLg0KCQ0KCXRoYW5rcywNCgkNCgliYXJueQ0K CQ0KCV9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQoJUm9j a2hvdW5kc0Bkcml6emxlIE1haWxpbmcgTGlzdA0KCVdXVzogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5kcml6emxlLmNv bS9+YWZveC9yb2NraG91bmRzDQoJU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzOg0KCWh0dHA6Ly9saXN0 cy5kcml6emxlLmNvbS9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL3JvY2tob3VuZHMNCgkNCg0K --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Mar 16 16:36:52 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Mar 16 16:38:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <031620052045.18977.42389AFC000572F400004A21216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <003301c52a89$6a36a760$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> You know, like that plaskit bucket ya put yore rocks in whilst collectin' Gee net...what my big brother used to call me when I was little....a long time ago. When I got my first car of my own, my vanity tag was G NET, then I used it for my user name on my first internet service. The next service wouldn't take spaces so it became geenet because gnet looked too much like "gnat". The stupid thing was when ispchannel became @home, I couldn't use "geenet" because it was already taken....by ME. So my email address is geenet2 now. > <<<< My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. > > I must admit, Jeanette, that I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say, by > "plasket"! > > But your email "handle" is cute, geenet = Jeanette > Minerals named after some obscure (to me) person bug me, I like descriptive names even if it's greek or the chemical makeup. Chalcopyrite is more meaningful than Horstite, even Trinitite is related to how it occurred. Jeanette Don't even say "ROCKWILDER" around me, you will get corrected on that one. From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Mar 16 16:43:39 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Mar 16 16:43:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <031720050043.4746.4238D2BA000E25E10000128A216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Thanks very much for clearing that up, G-net! Pete -------------- Original message from "Jeanette Wimpee" : -------------- > You know, like that plaskit bucket ya put yore rocks in whilst collectin' > Gee net...what my big brother used to call me when I was little....a long > time ago. When I got my first car of my own, my vanity tag was G NET, then > I used it for my user name on my first internet service. The next service > wouldn't take spaces so it became geenet because gnet looked too much like > "gnat". The stupid thing was when ispchannel became @home, I couldn't use > "geenet" because it was already taken....by ME. So my email address is > geenet2 now. > > > <<<< My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. > > > > I must admit, Jeanette, that I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say, by > > "plasket"! > > > > But your email "handle" is cute, geenet = Jeanette > > > Minerals named after some obscure (to me) person bug me, I like descriptive > names even if it's greek or the chemical makeup. > Chalcopyrite is more meaningful than Horstite, even Trinitite is related to > how it occurred. > Jeanette > Don't even say "ROCKWILDER" around me, you will get corrected on that one. > > _______________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 17:16:13 2005 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Wed Mar 16 17:16:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rent Video Message-ID: <20050317011613.9422.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> I would like to, preferably, rent a video on how to grind and polish slabs, cabs and rocks. Does anyone know where I might go to rent this item? Thanks for your help. June __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From barny at mindspring.com Wed Mar 16 17:58:07 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Wed Mar 16 17:53:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small collection sale Raleigh,N.C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01F3615C-9688-11D9-AB4C-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> there are app 100 pieces available, ranging form $25-650. calcites (Russian, Pa, Moncure, Nc, Tseumb, Okl, India, Missouri, ) (Tseumb pcs, are azurite dioptase, minrecordite, calcite,) also N.C. pcs from Hiddenite,Moncure Spruce Pine , Gold from Montgomery Co. Turquoise, lynch st, Va. Tanzanite ,Sperrylite, Rhodochrosite from Colorado. Gold from Dahlongia,Ga. Beryl from Pakistan,epidote from Peru. will send list when it is completed. barny(Peggy) O On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Nielsen, Peter wrote: > Dear Barney, > > I teach geology at Keene State College in Keene, NH. We are always > looking to acquire material for use in class or for our display > collection at reasonable prices. If your collection is still > available, I would appreciate receiving a list of what material you > have (with location data if possible) and your asking price.] > > thanks in advance > > pete > > > Dr. Peter A. Nielsen > Professor and Chair > Department of Geology > Keene State College > Keene, NH 03435 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peggy Barnhill [mailto:barny@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wed 3/16/2005 6:45 PM > To: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Cc: > Subject: [Rockhounds] small collection sale Raleigh,N.C > > > > Haven't posted often, just enjoyed list. > > Am downsizing, ready to retire and travel. > > Therefore, would like to sell a small mineral collection. > > if interested, please reply off list and will give info. > > thanks, > > barny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > ??m?????? text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > ??_______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From barny at mindspring.com Wed Mar 16 18:34:37 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Wed Mar 16 18:30:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <1B77F266-968D-11D9-AB4C-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> sorry about private post to list barny From kahako at verizon.net Wed Mar 16 18:33:38 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 16 18:33:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <031620052011.22628.423892EC00077ADC000058642197912995CD9B0 A020A0A09@mchsi.com> References: <031620052011.22628.423892EC00077ADC000058642197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050316161809.025db8e0@incoming.verizon.net> >My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. Mine are: take it for granite, duck tape, Star Track, and newquewlar >From as deep in the South as you can get.... >Florida doesn't count. -Jeanette I guess Hawaii doesn't count either? Aloha, Kitty From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 16 18:49:21 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 16 18:46:15 2005 Subject: OT: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} References: <200503162110.j2GLAQDD018599@outmx022.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: <4238EF73.4064@Tomaszewski.net> My two oldest kids wanted our youngest's first word to be encyclopaedia. I still laugh about them sitting on either side of her saying encyclopaedia over and over. Didn't work though. Now if you want to have fun with words lost in translation, go to http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ and enter an English phrase. It will then translast it from English to five other languages and back. C&C warning. Kreigh P.S., C&C warning = put down the coffee cup and get the cat off your lap first, or both will get upset when you burst out in laughter at the result. Rik Dillen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lapadary@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > > You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child learns to do > -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. > > [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) was born was "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss > version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less say was not "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in > Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a geological fault), of course. I trained him for weeks to say that > only word, and it worked ! > > Greetings, > > Rik From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 16 19:00:26 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 16 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rent Video References: <20050317011613.9422.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4238F20B.DF@Tomaszewski.net> June Young wrote: > > I would like to, preferably, rent a video on how to > grind and polish slabs, cabs and rocks. Does anyone > know where I might go to rent this item? > Thanks for your help. > June June, You might be able to find something like that in the programs library on the AFMS website, www.amfed.org. You might do better to use the website to find a nearby club. Most clubs have someone experienced in lapidary who would be glad to teach you. Personal help is better. Kreigh From geenet2 at mchsi.com Wed Mar 16 18:57:19 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Wed Mar 16 18:58:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <031620052011.22628.423892EC00077ADC000058642197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050316161809.025db8e0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001501c52a9d$08d13e90$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> :-) Hawaii is south of us, but sorry, it's not THE South. When we visited Hawaii, it seemed like all the Hawaiians we talked to either had visited Alabama or had cousins who lived there. Maybe it's because the climate is somewhat similar. Geenet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > >>My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. > > Mine are: take it for granite, duck tape, Star Track, and newquewlar > >>From as deep in the South as you can get.... >>Florida doesn't count. -Jeanette > > I guess Hawaii doesn't count either? > > Aloha, Kitty > From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 20:16:04 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Mar 16 20:16:06 2005 Subject: OT: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} In-Reply-To: <4238EF73.4064@Tomaszewski.net> References: <200503162110.j2GLAQDD018599@outmx022.isp.belgacom.be> <4238EF73.4064@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I became friends with a woman from Hong Kong. Her family spoke Cantonese but she grew up speaking English, the official language in Hong Kong. We made it through the Cantonese influenced English pronunciation of aluminum. However, when she tried to translate her name, Shing Lin, it came out "lotus blow some." I though of flowers in the wind. It took a while for me to realize that blow some was her way of pronouncing blossom. Grant On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:49:21 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > My two oldest kids wanted our youngest's first word to be encyclopaedia. > I still laugh about them sitting on either side of her saying > encyclopaedia over and over. Didn't work though. > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Wed Mar 16 21:46:43 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Wed Mar 16 21:36:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <200503161835.j2GIZ5G3019575@outmx023.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: <002501c52ab4$ce9e7c20$75a4490c@pete> It's interesting, Rik, that your Belgian cows say, "Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh" Ours here just say "Moo" ! Pete From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Mar 16 22:35:17 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Mar 16 22:33:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District In-Reply-To: <002e01c5272c$84885a60$258d4a0c@kcmins> Message-ID: Hi all, Thank you very much for the ideas of collecting/touring areas near St. Louis. I really appreciate it and hopefully I will be going back in the near future. Regards, Bob Loeffler -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Conroy Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:54 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District Hi! I can add a bit to this. I used to go collecting with Chink 3 to 4 times a year, for several years. I still have several specimens that I collected on those trips, and wish I still had many of those that I let go of. Chink would lead underground (fortunately every time I went collecting the jeep was working!), and his father would run the hoist. We would take the ride in the bucket (that was attached to a metal cable, and hooked to a hoist) you mentioned, and at an arranged time would be back at the shaft to be lifted out again. One time we got done collecting, arrived at the bottom of the shaft at the appointed time, called for the bucket to pick us up, then nothing! We waited, and waited, and waited, then waited some more. FINALLY, after literally a few hours, here came the bucket. We got in and started the ride up. I should mention here that the "safety" method for knowing when to slow down and stop the bucket at the right level consisted of painted portions on the metal cable. Anyway, we were moving at a pretty good pace up the shaft, which was of no concern. What was a concern was we noticed we weren't slowing down as it was getting light (because we were nearing the top of the shaft), and we REALLY got "concerned" when we saw the ground go by as we were still rocketing toward the hoist! Fortunately our request for help (which consisted of yelling and screaming at the top of our lungs to STOP!) was heard just in time. After we unloaded from the bucket we found out the Chink's father had been out drinking (heavily), lost track of time, and had obviously missed the mark on the cable showing when to slow down and stop our assent! Some of the mineral pockets we collected in were truly impressive. There's a well known photo of Boodle Lane standing in a similar pocket; very large room sized and filled with calcite crystals up to about 3 feet long. The same sized pockets are/were present in the mines of the Viburnum Trend, Southern Illinois, and Elmwood Mining Districts. But I stray.... Chink would go underground through his mine shaft, but he would drive for miles underground. This meant he obviously wasn't on his property anymore. He would dig anywhere that he found ore or crystals, and would often blast in doing so. The mines in the Tri-State District weren't very deep to begin with, and as they began to fill with water the collecting/prospecting moved to the uppermost levels of the mines. So.... when he blasted sometimes it could be felt by those living above the mine workings. It didn't take long for folks to find out who was behind this. However, this isn't why Chink went "missing". He liked to gamble and chase women. Not necessarily bad things in their own right, but unfortunately he chose to, um..., "date" some married women. Picher, Oklahoma is a small town, and as what happens in many small towns it's hard to keep a secret like that for long. Chink was found at the bottom of his mine shaft. He had been shot, and he still had a wallet full of cash so robbery was definitely not the motive. Chances are one of the husbands took great offence to his behavior and ended it permanently. All the best, Kevin www.kcminerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] The Tri State District > Dear Don, > In my youth I spent a couple of days in the Tri State District on my way > back east to take a job mixing chemicals for a large company. At that time > the hey day of mining was over in the district and only one large mine was > still operating in the district and they were pumping some of the water that > would have otherwise fllooded the mines and has subseuqently done so. > Rosenbury was still selling minerals or at least his widow was. Boodle Lane > had been gone for a few years before I arrived but there was a "highgrader" > by the name of Chink Enders that was running a little salvage operation near > Pitcher, Oklahoma and I made a deal with him to take me underground. It > boiled down to riding a bucket down into one of the mines where he turned me > loose to collect what I could. He apologized that his little desel powere > jeep was broken and he really could not take me much of anywhere. The mines > were huge underground and you could easily get lost in them if you were not > careful. He said at one time you could drive fifty or sixty miles > underground to various mines in various states and I don't doubt it. Even > them some parts of the mine were flooded. I remember looking through a hole > into a living room size cave full of big calcite crystals. I collected three > peach baskets full of calcite and galena speicmens and was well satisfied > with my haul. I used to wonder what happened to the hundreds of tons of > specimens that the district produced. Now I know they mostly got dirty, > broken and thrown away. Even in its inactive state, there were more > specimens there in the walls than an army of collectors could collect. They > are still down there, and I am sure that when the price of lead and zinc is > high enough some of the mines will be opened again. During the Second World > war, many of the big surface dumps were remilled and all the big rocks were > broken down into pea gravel sizes and even those dumps were being hauled > away for road metal. Today I think would have to search hard for any > sizeable dump. A whole way of life that developed around the mines is not > gone but the memories of it are still kept alive by the various historical > societies in the area. No one knows what happened to Chink Enders. A lot of > people in the area didn't like him because they thought he robbed pillers in > the mines and was not well liked. Some think that he was dropped down a mine > shaft. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 17 03:02:59 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 17 03:03:06 2005 Subject: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} In-Reply-To: <4238EF73.4064@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I belong to the generation that saw Mary Poppins when it came out. I wonder what IMA would do if someone suggested "supercallifragilistiexplialedoceousite" as a name for a new mineral? A few more like that and the Fleisscher & Mandarino glossary would have to be published in A4 or letter format. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: donderdag 17 maart 2005 3:49 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: OT: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} My two oldest kids wanted our youngest's first word to be encyclopaedia. I still laugh about them sitting on either side of her saying encyclopaedia over and over. Didn't work though. Now if you want to have fun with words lost in translation, go to http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ and enter an English phrase. It will then translast it from English to five other languages and back. C&C warning. Kreigh P.S., C&C warning = put down the coffee cup and get the cat off your lap first, or both will get upset when you burst out in laughter at the result. Rik Dillen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lapadary@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > > You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child learns to do > -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. > > [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) was born was "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss > version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less say was not "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in > Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a geological fault), of course. I trained him for weeks to say that > only word, and it worked ! > > Greetings, > > Rik _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From morningstar at att.net Thu Mar 17 04:48:08 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (morningstar@att.net) Date: Thu Mar 17 04:48:12 2005 Subject: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} Message-ID: <031720051248.20696.42397C8800033DF4000050D821603759649D0E9B9C090207029D0103@att.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Axel Emmermann" > I belong to the generation that saw Mary Poppins when it came out. I wonder > what IMA would do if someone suggested > "supercallifragilistiexplialedoceousite" as a name for a new mineral? They wuould reject it, of course. What I really don't understand is the fact that the CNMMN rejected "chetlemanskiite" (approved but never published) as too ponderous, and the author changed it to "lemanskiite", but there are far more ponderous names being approved all the time. Don From cweinber at bcpl.net Thu Mar 17 04:58:46 2005 From: cweinber at bcpl.net (Carolyn Weinberger) Date: Thu Mar 17 05:01:05 2005 Subject: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4CB0CF63-96E4-11D9-BD26-0005025E4230@bcpl.net> Since most of the new minerals today are only found as micro specimens, can you imagine trying to put such a name on a micromount box label? C On Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 06:02 AM, Axel Emmermann wrote: > I belong to the generation that saw Mary Poppins when it came out. I > wonder > what IMA would do if someone suggested > "supercallifragilistiexplialedoceousite" as a name for a new mineral? > A few more like that and the Fleisscher & Mandarino glossary would > have to > be published in A4 or letter format. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: donderdag 17 maart 2005 3:49 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: OT: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} > > > My two oldest kids wanted our youngest's first word to be > encyclopaedia. > I still laugh about them sitting on either side of her saying > encyclopaedia over and over. Didn't work though. > > Now if you want to have fun with words lost in translation, go to > > http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ > > and enter an English phrase. It will then translast it from English to > five other languages and back. C&C warning. > > Kreigh > > P.S., C&C warning = put down the coffee cup and get the cat off your > lap > first, or both will get upset when you burst out in laughter at the > result. > > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Lapadary@aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names >> >> You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child >> learns to > do >> -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. >> >> [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) was born >> was > "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss >> version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less say was >> not > "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in >> Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a geological >> fault), of > course. I trained him for weeks to say that >> only word, and it worked ! >> >> Greetings, >> >> Rik > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From hammerron at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 06:12:26 2005 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Thu Mar 17 06:12:28 2005 Subject: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050317141226.72403.qmail@web81405.mail.yahoo.com> Carolyn. This truth in what you just alomost had me rolling on the floor in laughter. Not to mention that it would problably be with some other multi-letter named mineral(s) and the locality would be something of comparable length!! -Ron (The Hammer) --- Carolyn Weinberger wrote: > Since most of the new minerals today are only found as micro > specimens, > can you imagine trying to put such a name on a micromount box > label? > > C > On Thursday, March 17, 2005, at 06:02 AM, Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > > I belong to the generation that saw Mary Poppins when it > came out. I > > wonder > > what IMA would do if someone suggested > > "supercallifragilistiexplialedoceousite" as a name for a new > mineral? > > A few more like that and the Fleisscher & Mandarino glossary > would > > have to > > be published in A4 or letter format. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > > Verzonden: donderdag 17 maart 2005 3:49 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > Onderwerp: OT: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral > names} > > > > > > My two oldest kids wanted our youngest's first word to be > > encyclopaedia. > > I still laugh about them sitting on either side of her > saying > > encyclopaedia over and over. Didn't work though. > > > > Now if you want to have fun with words lost in translation, > go to > > > > http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ > > > > and enter an English phrase. It will then translast it from > English to > > five other languages and back. C&C warning. > > > > Kreigh > > > > P.S., C&C warning = put down the coffee cup and get the cat > off your > > lap > > first, or both will get upset when you burst out in laughter > at the > > result. > > > > > > > > > > Rik Dillen wrote: > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Lapadary@aol.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM > >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > >> > >> You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a > child > >> learns to > > do > >> -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. > >> > >> [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) > was born > >> was > > "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss > >> version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less > say was > >> not > > "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in > >> Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a > geological > >> fault), of > > course. I trained him for weeks to say that > >> only word, and it worked ! > >> > >> Greetings, > >> > >> Rik > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From everbeek at nac.net Thu Mar 17 06:42:45 2005 From: everbeek at nac.net (earl verbeek) Date: Thu Mar 17 06:42:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <031620052045.18977.42389AFC000572F400004A21216037596407059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <005501c52aff$965afe60$bce4a5ce@D3JM7W21> Now, the two names wouldn't sound alike, if I could pronounce kraisslite "kray-sel-ite" as I often would like to; however, my colleagues (such as Earl V.) assure me that the Kraissls pronounced their name "cry-sel" (that's "cry" as in "cryogenic"), hence, as far as I can tell, you say both words almost the same way, cry-sel-ite or cry-so-lite; who's being careful enough to tell the difference? Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - Yep, Pete, I remember these! Lessee if I can explain here. Cry-so-lite (as in the olivine) is rather straightforward, but kraisslite is not pronounced the same way. If you say cry-sel-ite that's not quite correct; the middle syllable is the key. To say "sel" you first have to place your tongue against the roof of your mouth to get the "s", remove it for the "e", then replace it again for the "l". Take the "e" out and keep your tongue in place to go directly from the "s" to the "l": cry-sl-ite. Nice mineral no matter how one pronounces it! Cheers- Earl From kadok at infowest.com Thu Mar 17 07:45:07 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Mar 17 07:45:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <002501c52ab4$ce9e7c20$75a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <20050317154503.7F2F77A2DF@delivery.infowest.com> >It's interesting, Rik, that your Belgian cows say, >"Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh" >Ours here just say "Moo" ! >Pete And, according to my sister-in-law, French cows say "Merglemont"! Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Thu Mar 17 08:02:34 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Mar 17 08:02:44 2005 Subject: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050317160230.ABE2E78DD0@delivery.infowest.com> Ah, well, Axel. The same sort of thing is happening with plant names. Try "Kraschenninnikovia" for a plant genus name! (Of course, you also have to be a little sorry for the Russian who was "stuck" with that name.) Margaret I belong to the generation that saw Mary Poppins when it came out. I wonder what IMA would do if someone suggested "supercallifragilistiexplialedoceousite" as a name for a new mineral? A few more like that and the Fleisscher & Mandarino glossary would have to be published in A4 or letter format. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski Verzonden: donderdag 17 maart 2005 3:49 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: OT: Language {was: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names} My two oldest kids wanted our youngest's first word to be encyclopaedia. I still laugh about them sitting on either side of her saying encyclopaedia over and over. Didn't work though. Now if you want to have fun with words lost in translation, go to http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ and enter an English phrase. It will then translast it from English to five other languages and back. C&C warning. Kreigh P.S., C&C warning = put down the coffee cup and get the cat off your lap first, or both will get upset when you burst out in laughter at the result. Rik Dillen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lapadary@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:54 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > > You gotta love language. It is probably the first thing a child learns to do > -- as opposed to instinctive things a child does. > > [Rik Dillen] The first nick-name when our son, Luk (now 27) was born was "skleroklaasje" (from "scleroclase", the Swiss > version of sartorite). The first word he could more or less say was not "mama", but "tyuyamunite" (pronounced in > Flemish, however). My fault (meaning mistake, not a geological fault), of course. I trained him for weeks to say that > only word, and it worked ! > > Greetings, > > Rik _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rik.dillen at skynet.be Thu Mar 17 09:18:15 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Mar 17 09:18:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <002501c52ab4$ce9e7c20$75a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <200503171718.j2HHIFUF029998@outmx020.isp.belgacom.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Peter J. Modreski Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:47 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names It's interesting, Rik, that your Belgian cows say, "Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh" Ours here just say "Moo" ! [Rik Dillen] It's a question of education (articulation ?). Also their dialect is different. ;>) And, according to my sister-in-law, French cows say "Merglemont"! Margaret >>>>>> What ??? Now I know why Paris universities have a "numerus clausus"... because all the French cows going to university to learn how to say "Merglemont" ? I would be interested what the origin/explanation of the word "Merglemont" is ("Merlemont" is a village in the Belgian Namur province). Rik From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Mar 17 10:16:34 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Mar 17 10:36:26 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <200503161835.j2GIZ5G3019575@outmx023.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: <000201c52b20$34cec0c0$2f4227c4@privatehome> Hi everybody, I know I am more than 24 hours late entering this discussion. I tend to agree with Rik, pronouncing goethite in German (which then is Goethit) would be like "girl" (but not pronouncing the "r" at all.) The pronounciation here in the English language in South Africa we would say "goo-thite". I know there are so many variations of the pronounciation in the English language, it depends in what corner of this planet you reside and grew up. Thus even the pronounciations given in dictionaries probably also take into account in which country the dictionary was printed. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] mineral names > You're right Rik. The problem is most english speakers don't know how to > pronounce ?. > > To the others out there, I would say that of the multiple American > murderings of poor Goethe's name, Ger-tite comes the closest. If you can > put your mouth in the position to say the "er" part, but actually not say > the "r" sound, you'll be pretty close. But when said with a full rolling > midwestern "r", it really grates on the ears of someone who knows German! > >:^) > > Pete Richards > > >>If anyone is interested : I can give free lessons in goethology :>) >> >>I don't know if it really helps, but the "oe" is just pronounced like ? (O >>with "umlaut"), or about the sound of a cow >>in its lower frequency range ("Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh"). BTW, the G is not >>pronouced like a g, but rather like a g... >> >>And forget about the "h". >> >> >> >>Beeeeuuuuhhhh, pardon, Greetings, >> >> >> >>Rik DILLEN >> >>Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas >> >>Belgium >> >>E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be >> >>Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >> >>>>> Belgian minerals >> >>>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >> >>>>> Exchange list >> >> >> >>MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 >> >>Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) >> >>Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen >> >>http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html >> >>Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Pete Richards >> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:08 PM >> >>To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >> >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names >> >> >> >>> >> >>>[And no one in any English-speaking country EVER agrees on how to >>>pronounce >> >>>"Goethite" !] >> >>> >> >> >> >>And almost no one in any English-speaking country ever comes close to >>pronouncing it correctly! >> >> >> >>Pete Richards >> >>-- >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>R. Peter Richards >> >>rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu >> >> >> >>Mineral collector >> >>Crystallographer >> >>SHAPE for the Macintosh >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> >>Subscription Services: >> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >> >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Suzy3D at aol.com Thu Mar 17 10:57:49 2005 From: Suzy3D at aol.com (Suzy3D@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 17 10:57:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names Message-ID: <19f.2fb0c2e6.2f6b2d2d@aol.com> My Liechtensteiner former father-in-law always said the best way to pronounce the vowel sound in goethite was to form your mouth as if you're going to pronounce an E, but actually make an R sound. Sounds impossible, but if you practice a bit, it does make the right sound. This thread has brought up my major annoyance with the pronounciation of mineral names. It's not goe-thite; it's goeth-ite. The "th" goes with the prefix, not with the -ite suffix. It drives me crazy when I hear people talk about "soda-lite", "py-rite", and the ten thousand mispronounciations of "sugi-lite". Karen Hemmerle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bj9709 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 11:23:14 2005 From: bj9709 at yahoo.com (Brett Allen Johnson) Date: Thu Mar 17 11:23:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip to Mexico Message-ID: <20050317192315.11846.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> We will be visiting Puerto Vallarta, Mexico in the near future. We are always looking for new rocks and mineral to collect. Would anyone have info. as to where good and close collecting site might be? Any stories, web links, referrals would great appreciated. Thanks for Playing, The Brett's __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dvcook at ntelos.net Thu Mar 17 12:38:24 2005 From: dvcook at ntelos.net (Duard Cook) Date: Thu Mar 17 12:38:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] hello rockhounds Message-ID: <4239EAC0.70607@ntelos.net> I am new to the list and live in the sw virginia mountians and was needing infor for places to hurnt minerals other than limestone lol which most of the applachians are made of thanks in advance Duard From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Thu Mar 17 16:31:17 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 17 16:31:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names References: <031620052011.22628.423892EC00077ADC000058642197912995CD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050316161809.025db8e0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003b01c52b51$cd010a70$6601a8c0@GlennWimpee> Like man, President Carter was a new-cuew-lar engineer. Wow, and that's the way W says it also. And I have to force myself to say kal-sed-ney, not to mention ka-lye-O-pee.....but I think ek-set-err-ahh is the wurst. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names > >>My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. > > Mine are: take it for granite, duck tape, Star Track, and newquewlar > >>From as deep in the South as you can get.... >>Florida doesn't count. -Jeanette > > I guess Hawaii doesn't count either? > > Aloha, Kitty > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 18 01:36:15 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 18 01:36:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names no to be taken seriously In-Reply-To: <200503171718.j2HHIFUF029998@outmx020.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: Cows, hm? Wielding a cow above your head will produce a sound of which, due to the Doppler-effect, the pitch rises and falls in rapid succession. Something like "miiieeeuuuoooowwwmiiieeeuuuoooowwwmiiieeeuuuoooowww". The average pitch depends on where and how you hold the beast. - Tail: normal pitch - Udder: up one octave - Thumb and index finger in opposing nostrils (bowling ball technique): normal pitch but distorted onomatopoeia (phmrriiieeeuuuoooommphng) Naturally, giiieeeuuuoooothite comes nowhere near the correct pronunciation of the mineral name. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Rik Dillen Verzonden: donderdag 17 maart 2005 18:18 Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] mineral names -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Peter J. Modreski Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:47 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral names It's interesting, Rik, that your Belgian cows say, "Beeeeuuuuuuuuhhhhh" Ours here just say "Moo" ! [Rik Dillen] It's a question of education (articulation ?). Also their dialect is different. ;>) And, according to my sister-in-law, French cows say "Merglemont"! Margaret >>>>>> What ??? Now I know why Paris universities have a "numerus clausus"... because all the French cows going to university to learn how to say "Merglemont" ? I would be interested what the origin/explanation of the word "Merglemont" is ("Merlemont" is a village in the Belgian Namur province). Rik _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 18 02:05:16 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 18 02:05:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <20050317154503.7F2F77A2DF@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: Margaret there's a link with goethite for you: named after Johann Wolfgang von Goethe who wrote "Faust (und Margarethe)" >>>And, according to my sister-in-law, French cows say "Merglemont"! French cows transform grass into merde, which is much cleaner than the stuff other cows produce (according to the French) Axel From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Fri Mar 18 01:59:42 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Mar 18 02:21:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours References: Message-ID: <004001c52ba4$49f45f30$c44127c4@privatehome> Hi Bob, I would pronounce yur name differently. Yoiur name is originally German and the German pronounciation would approximate to Loff-ler ( "o" as in "world") Also ask a German-speaking aquaintance to pronounce the German word for "spoon" which is "L?ffel" Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > Hi Don, > > I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be approved by the IMA, although > I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. But seriously, how are we > supposed to know how to pronounce some of these new minerals if the name > has > to be non-capitalized and all one word? For example, if I saw > "degarciaite" > in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce it! Is it > "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've > never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but if I had, it would > definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the IMA named a mineral after > me, most people would have no idea how to pronounce it. > > By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >> Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. > > Hi, > > I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct > spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. > >> I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral >> name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin >> of >> the name was a place or personal name. > > Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of > approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; for > example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral > after > De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I > imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & > Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, > but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite > from > a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually > capitalized > either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names > and > I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From kadok at infowest.com Fri Mar 18 09:11:22 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Mar 18 09:11:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <200503171718.j2HHIFUF029998@outmx020.isp.belgacom.be> Message-ID: <20050318171115.741B87952A@delivery.infowest.com> And, according to my sister-in-law, French cows say "Merglemont"! Margaret >>>>>> What ??? Now I know why Paris universities have a "numerus clausus"... because all the French cows going to university to learn how to say "Merglemont" ? I would be interested what the origin/explanation of the word "Merglemont" is ("Merlemont" is a village in the Belgian Namur province). Rik I have no idea; that's just what she told me when she came back after a visit. (This was about 40 years ago!) Margaret _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kadok at infowest.com Fri Mar 18 09:41:33 2005 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Mar 18 09:41:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral names In-Reply-To: <003b01c52b51$cd010a70$6601a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <20050318174126.D97AC78E46@delivery.infowest.com> And, I might add, "flourite" (for fluorite). And the pronounciation by the residents of the city of Hurricane (in SW Utah), as "harry-cane" Margaret >Like man, President Carter was a new-cuew-lar engineer. Wow, and that's the way W says it also. And I have to force myself to say kal-sed-ney, not to mention ka-lye-O-pee.....but I think ek-set-err-ahh is the wurst. Glenn > >>My personal "favorites" tho, are K-mark and plasket. > > Mine are: take it for granite, duck tape, Star Track, and newquewlar > >>From as deep in the South as you can get.... >>Florida doesn't count. -Jeanette > > I guess Hawaii doesn't count either? > > Aloha, Kitty > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pbhewitt at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 09:58:29 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Fri Mar 18 09:58:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] weathered kyanite? References: <20050318174126.D97AC78E46@delivery.infowest.com> Message-ID: <000c01c52be4$17f69120$6501a8c0@maingear> Anyone out there know anything about kyanite? I have found some really nice specimens at Prosect Park, Pa. There is something else that I find there that I cannot find any data on. It looks sort of like kyanite in shape but it is silvery/black in color. It is very fragile and breaks into sandy/fibous clumps. I have always thought that it was just old, weathered kyanite but I would like to know for sure. I have done google searches on kyanite and weathered kyanite but cant find anything close to what I am looking for. Paul in Marietta From jr50wv at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 10:51:51 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Fri Mar 18 10:51:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry to announce... Message-ID: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> HI everyone: I just received a message from Ray Sprague of the Pegmatite Workshop in Maine that Dudy Groves, one of the old-time gemstone miners of the Maine quarries, has died: Dear Friends of the Workshop, For those who knew Dudy Groves, the owner of Poland Mining Camps in Poland, Maine, it is a very sad task that I have to inform you that Dudy died this afternoon at his beloved Camps and home. Passing on in the place he built, took pride in and loved so much, I am sure would have been his wish. I feel happy knowing he was at home. Dudy had been battling heart and lung problems since last year, and after his recovery from surgery, has spent the last two months at home. Dudy's mind, character and humor remained strong throughout this ordeal, but the body was tired. Personally, he was the most honest man I've ever known, one of the hardest workers and one of my dearest friends in Maine. Those who knew him will miss him dearly. Funeral arrangements with be forth coming within a day, and hopefully I can let you know what they are. Mary Groves 34 Groves Lane PO Box 26 Poland, Maine 04274 (207) 998-2350 My wife and I (and Dan Keples my rockhound partner) visited Poland Mining Camp several years ago, and the Groves made the trip wonderful just by being themselves. Dudy was even then badly battered by age and blasting. It looked to me like when miners thought they were going to be blasting close to a pocket (of gemstones!) they would ask Dudy about the shot pattern, and how best to drill the shot holes, and load them, and time the blasts. For sure he had the respect of everyone who was still mining tourmaline from the hard rock of the Maine pegmatites. And the other rockhounds I met there at Poland Mining Camp were wonderful people too, who would show a 'hound from sedimentary rock country the way to dig in a dump, and to sift and wash dirt for crystals, and I will never forget the hospitality the Me. folks showed us that summer. As the older generation vanishes, I find it hard to believe that me and my peers are becoming the old timers!! And if that isn't scary, you aren't paying attention. JR in WV --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 11:47:58 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Mar 18 11:48:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help Message-ID: <20050318194758.18373.qmail@web51005.mail.yahoo.com> A friend in Chicago is putting together "beginner sets" of minerals to give to kids. He needs: Flint Massive hornblende In each case, he needs enough to make 15 or more specimens of "egg carton" size. He'd also like to get some larger pieces of flint for the Boy Scouts he works with, for flint and steel fire making. If anyone can help, I'd be glad to reimburse postage and/or work out a suitable trade. Contact me off-list. Jim Daly sauktown1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From bova at mindspring.com Fri Mar 18 13:04:39 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Fri Mar 18 13:00:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] weathered kyanite? In-Reply-To: <000c01c52be4$17f69120$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <57698DC5-97F1-11D9-8113-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Paul, Take a look at http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/silicate/kyanite/kyanite.htm The Mineral Galleries website has been an invaluable tool for me. Carol formerly of Calif.. now in Virginia On Friday, March 18, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Paul Hewitt wrote: > Anyone out there know anything about kyanite? I have found some > really nice specimens at Prosect Park, Pa. There is something else > that I find there that I cannot find any data on. It looks sort of > like kyanite in shape but it is silvery/black in color. It is very > fragile and breaks into sandy/fibous clumps. I have always thought > that it was just old, weathered kyanite but I would like to know for > sure. I have done google searches on kyanite and weathered kyanite > but cant find anything close to what I am looking for. > > Paul in Marietta > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Mar 18 15:09:19 2005 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Mar 18 15:09:24 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] weathered kyanite? In-Reply-To: <000c01c52be4$17f69120$6501a8c0@maingear> References: <20050318174126.D97AC78E46@delivery.infowest.com> <000c01c52be4$17f69120$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <423B5F9F.4000908@ptd.net> Paul Hewitt wrote: I suspect what you are finding is an associated replacement of mica, possibly biotite, as a pseudomorph of the kyanite. This is not uncommon fomr other kyanite occurances that I have actually been at like in connecticut and north carolina > Anyone out there know anything about kyanite? I have found some > really nice specimens at Prosect Park, Pa. There is something else > that I find there that I cannot find any data on. It looks sort of > like kyanite in shape but it is silvery/black in color. It is very > fragile and breaks into sandy/fibous clumps. I have always thought > that it was just old, weathered kyanite but I would like to know for > sure. I have done google searches on kyanite and weathered kyanite > but cant find anything close to what I am looking for. > > Paul in Marietta > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 15:37:12 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Mar 18 15:37:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry to announce... In-Reply-To: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If anyone on this list likes to play around with new programs I can send an invitation to join GMAIL. GMAIL is the Google Beta version of their free email. Right now the best thing I can say it gives me 100 megabytes of online storage -- and the stored mail is searchable. If you want to get an invitation just send me an email. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:51:51 -0800 (PST), J. R. Hodel wrote: > HI everyone: > From agesilaus at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 15:52:04 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Mar 18 15:52:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry to announce... In-Reply-To: References: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Apparently they are out of beta now and have gone public. I don't know if you still need an invitation or not. Bryan On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:37:12 -0800, Grant Johnston wrote: > If anyone on this list likes to play around with new programs I can > send an invitation to join GMAIL. GMAIL is the Google Beta version of > their free email. Right now the best thing I can say it gives me 100 > megabytes of online storage -- and the stored mail is searchable. > > If you want to get an invitation just send me an email. > > Grant Johnston, Chico, CA > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:51:51 -0800 (PST), J. R. Hodel wrote: > > HI everyone: > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From dguin at earthlink.net Fri Mar 18 16:10:36 2005 From: dguin at earthlink.net (Dave Guin) Date: Fri Mar 18 16:12:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] GMAIL In-Reply-To: References: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423B6DFC.4010403@earthlink.net> Grant Johnston wrote: >If anyone on this list likes to play around with new programs I can >send an invitation to join GMAIL. > Bad form, Grant. Change the subject line. Peace, dave From Rocknlight at aol.com Fri Mar 18 19:09:18 2005 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 18 19:09:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- SELLING 18" SAW & GENIE & TUMBLER Message-ID: <191.3b57c5f1.2f6cf1de@aol.com> Hello everyone Just wanted to give any person who is interested a heads up on some lapidary equipment for sale. Within 1 to 2 weeks I will be selling some equipment....Thought of selling it on E bay, etc.. But for now, I will just try to sell it directly for cash, where you come and pick up whatever you want personally with your own vehicle....I am currently getting it all together with prices etc... I am selling an 18" Lortone saw.. Make reasonable offers..The saw sells new for about $2,500.. This saw looks to have about 200 hours of use on it ? This 18" saw is the older green colored model..It is in good clean condition and comes with a blade, having about 50+% life left on the 18" blade.. All the oil has been drained, so it's an easy pick up with any small truck or van.. Just add oil and it's ready to start cutting.... I am selling a Genie.. This Diamond Pacific Genie has about 15 to 25 hours on it MAX.. The wheels have about 80+ % diamond left on them.. It sells new for around the price of $1,200... Make reasonable offers.. I am also selling a Burr King vibratory bowl tumbler, model 200s ? It is a large vibratory bowl tumbler, 20 quart I believe? It is heavy duty and comes with 3 heavy duty bowls for each step.. Not sure of the new price they get for it with the 3 extra bowls but I think around $1,000 plus.... This tumbler was used for only one tumbling session / so about 14 -20 days Max, so it is essentially like new... OK that is about it for now, e mail me directly at ROCKNLIGHT@AOL.COM Once I receive your questions and or offers, then I will better be able to put everything together and answer specifics and get it all ready for those who are interested.. Thank you for your time Sincerely, Steve / RocknLight / rocknlight@aol.com From jonee at epix.net Fri Mar 18 21:47:37 2005 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Fri Mar 18 21:47:47 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] weathered kyanite? In-Reply-To: <000c01c52be4$17f69120$6501a8c0@maingear> References: <20050318174126.D97AC78E46@delivery.infowest.com> <000c01c52be4$17f69120$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <423BBCF9.7080300@epix.net> Ahh Haaa! So you are the claim jumper jumping the claim I already jumped ....!!! Ok just kidding, Paul. I am familiar with that site and that material. IMHO, I believe the gray blades are kyanite with minor inclusions of mica. I have found the blades loose on the floor of Darby Creek and in a micaceous-like schist which also appears to have undergone some measure of weathering. There are tiny mica flakes in pits in some specimens which I think are lodged there. The blades are so water tumbled that most specimens there take on an eroded look. I too have found a very weathered fragile brown material with cores of unaltered blue-streaked kyanite within Plausibly, this could be a hydrated form of kyanite but it appears more like chemically weathered rotten rock. I've not had the time nor the academic contact to confirm. The brown material , when wet, is extremely fragile: more stable when dry, so it may be a clay in a saprolith* setting. So other than saying "yeah, I found some too" I can't speak with authority as to what that is positively. Other species of interest in that section of Darby Creek: I dug one pea-sized green transparent fragment there-- probably an apatite but could be beryl as both are found nearby. There are fist-sized feldspar(microcline) crystals and cross sections. There is a very silica-poor, granite-oid outcrop containing what fits the description of the mica zinnwaldite perhaps muscovite. The silver gray books are tapered and oval not clearly hexagonal--if memory serves me correctly. For those interested, This exposure is at the very mouth of Darby Creek on the left side of the street after exiting Interstate 95 at the Prospect Park Exit just south of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the old Homestead. They allow/tolerate minor collecting activity. The whole region has a myriad of pegmatite exposures some contain stoggie-sized, opaque, apple-green, euhedral beryl crystals. Regards, Elton *saprolith/saprolite: a soft, earth colored, decomposed igneous or metamorphic rock, rich in clay and formed in place by chemical weathering. Note that in place usually indicates some evidence of original rock structure remains. Paul Hewitt wrote: > Anyone out there know anything about kyanite? I have found some > really nice specimens at Prosect Park, Pa. There is something else > that I find there that I cannot find any data on. It looks sort of > like kyanite in shape but it is silvery/black in color. It is very > fragile and breaks into sandy/fibous clumps. I have always thought > that it was just old, weathered kyanite but I would like to know for > sure. I have done google searches on kyanite and weathered kyanite > but cant find anything close to what I am looking for. > > Paul in Marietta > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Rewhittemo at aol.com Sat Mar 19 09:11:23 2005 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 19 09:11:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? Message-ID: <1ea.38fa6b69.2f6db73b@aol.com> Hello! We would like to unsubscribe to Rockhounds because so much of the information is not relevant to our needs. Could you tell us how we might execute this desire? Thanks, Bob --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Rewhittemo at aol.com Sat Mar 19 09:15:09 2005 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 19 09:15:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, TENNESSEE, USA Message-ID: <15b.4d39d95b.2f6db81d@aol.com> Here are some sites with good photos: http://www.geocities.com/graysitefriends/Exhibits.html http://www.etsu.edu/grayfossilsite/History/ Bob --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Rewhittemo at aol.com Sat Mar 19 09:17:25 2005 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 19 09:17:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gray Fossil Site, Tennessee Message-ID: <19a.2ff54fa0.2f6db8a5@aol.com> Anita, Please contact Bristol@etsu.edu He is the Paleontology Coordinator and a terrific, electrifying speaker! Thanks for your reply. Anne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Sat Mar 19 09:31:57 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Mar 19 09:32:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- SELLING 18" SAW & GENIE & TUMBLER In-Reply-To: <191.3b57c5f1.2f6cf1de@aol.com> References: <191.3b57c5f1.2f6cf1de@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050319093110.02414310@mail.spiritone.com> Seems to me that if people knew where you were located it would save you a lot of time weeding through replies... At 07:09 PM 3/18/2005, you wrote: >Hello everyone > >Just wanted to give any person who is interested a heads up on some lapidary >equipment for sale. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From morningstar at att.net Sat Mar 19 15:02:09 2005 From: morningstar at att.net (Don H) Date: Sat Mar 19 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry to announce... In-Reply-To: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050318185151.47620.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423CAF71.6010901@att.net> J. R. Hodel wrote: >HI everyone: > >I just received a message from Ray Sprague of the Pegmatite Workshop in Maine that Dudy Groves, one of the old-time gemstone miners of the Maine quarries, has died > > Thanks for the notice; another terrible loss in a Year of Hell for the mineral world. Those Poand Mining Camps were an important part of the hobby and from what I've heard, Dudy was a fine man. Another legend I'll never get to meet. Don H From dguin at earthlink.net Sat Mar 19 16:09:05 2005 From: dguin at earthlink.net (Dave Guin) Date: Sat Mar 19 16:09:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <1ea.38fa6b69.2f6db73b@aol.com> References: <1ea.38fa6b69.2f6db73b@aol.com> Message-ID: <423CBF21.3080607@earthlink.net> Rewhittemo@aol.com wrote: >Hello! > > We would like to unsubscribe to Rockhounds > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Peace, dave From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 19 19:21:22 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Mar 19 19:21:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey update--couple results Message-ID: <20050320032122.91284.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Results update: The survey has had an unexpectedly large response so far (425 respondants in less than a week). For those few of you who are itchin' to know, here are a few quick items: (note--these are likely to change to some extent in the final count which will be available at the end of April) 1. Average gap between first exposure to the hobby and picking it back up again: 22.3 years 2. Average age of first contact with the hobby 13 3. Average age of getting serious about the hobby 35.3 4. Were your parents or a close family relative(aunts, uncles, grandparents) involved in the hobby in some way? Yes--27.8% No--72.2% 5. 79% of respondants reported going to 1-5 shows a year 6. 36% are willing to travel more than 1000 miles to collect specimens/material 7. Of those 154 who responded on the weight of their collection/material question, the mean (average) was 3,878 lbs, the median 1500 lbs, with a range of 2-120,000 lbs. 8. 68% do not catalogue their collection tina aka tangojuli@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 19 22:06:47 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 19 22:07:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? Survey Update Message-ID: <423D12F3.5EC8@Tomaszewski.net> Results update: The survey has had an unexpectedly large response so far (425 respondants in less than a week); if you have not participated, please see below how you can share your input. For those few of you who are itchin' to know, here are a few quick interim results: (note--these are likely to change to some extent in the final analysis, which will be available at the end of April)... 1. Average gap between first exposure to the hobby and picking it back up again: 22.3 years 2. Average age of first contact with the hobby 13 3. Average age of getting serious about the hobby 35.3 4. Were your parents or a close family relative(aunts, uncles, grandparents) involved in the hobby in some way? Yes--27.8% No--72.2% 5. 79% of respondants reported going to 1-5 shows a year 6. 36% are willing to travel more than 1000 miles to collect specimens/material 7. Of those 154 who responded on the weight of their collection/material question, the mean (average) was 3,878 lbs, the median 1500 lbs, with a range of 2-120,000 lbs. 8. 68% do not catalogue their collection This survey began as a project to discover more about who Rockhounds are, and it has attracted the interest of club officials and members who are worried about declining membership and the future of our hobby. It is our hope that by learning more about current Rockhounds we will be better able to reach out to the next generation(s) to keep the hobby alive. Detailed responses to the survey will be kept confidential, and efforts have been taken to make sure responses are anonymous. We ask that each Rockhound only take the survey once, but please pass on the survey link to other collectors you know so we can get more responses and better results. When the survey is completed on April 15, 2005, the results will be analyized, published, and shared with Rockhound Clubs around the world. The survey itself typically takes less than 15 minutes to complete and must be done in one session. You may skip any question, but answering them all will improve the results. You can start the survey by clicking on the link http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 Thank you for taking a few minutes to tell a little about yourself, and the hobby we share and enjoy. Kreigh P.S., If you belong to a Club please share this information with your Club's Newsletter Editor (or announce it at your next meeting) so that everyone in your Club will have an opportunity to participate. Thanks! From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Mar 19 20:12:56 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Mar 19 22:13:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey update--couple results References: <20050320032122.91284.qmail@web60806.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c52d03$1da91820$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Thanks for the update Tina. I find this all very interesting, but I'm not exactly sure why yet. Somehow I feel like a specimen among the 32% getting catalogued. :-) John From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sun Mar 20 12:38:59 2005 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Mar 20 12:39:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey update--couple results In-Reply-To: <001201c52d03$1da91820$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Message-ID: <200503202039.j2KKd09L012370@outmx020.isp.belgacom.be> Dear Tina, (et al., of course), I hope that you will publish all the data when the poll will be closed, and I would like to ask your permission to use the data for an article in our magazine Geonieuws. One thing we should all bear in mind : ANY result of such a poll is unvoluntary biased to some extend, as probably most of the respondents belong to the real "hard core" of mineral collectors. Many people that are somewhat less enthousiastic won't even know that some poll was organized. But it's an interesting exercise anyway ! I would be interested to compare those bulk results with e.g. the population of our own club, and/or e.g. the BENELUX (Belgium+The Netherlands+Luxemburg). Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2005 - 23 and 24 April 2005 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John Siebel Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 5:13 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] survey update--couple results Thanks for the update Tina. I find this all very interesting, but I'm not exactly sure why yet. Somehow I feel like a specimen among the 32% getting catalogued. :-) John _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sun Mar 20 17:03:42 2005 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sun Mar 20 17:01:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: <004001c52ba4$49f45f30$c44127c4@privatehome> Message-ID: Hi Horst, Yes, my name is originally German, but since it hasn't been pronounced that way in my family for a couple hundred years, I don't know which way would be correct. Maybe it just depends on how it is spelled. Since I spell it as "Loeffler" and not "L?ffler", it should probably be pronounced my way, not the German way. ;-) Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Horst Windisch Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:00 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours Hi Bob, I would pronounce yur name differently. Yoiur name is originally German and the German pronounciation would approximate to Loff-ler ( "o" as in "world") Also ask a German-speaking aquaintance to pronounce the German word for "spoon" which is "L?ffel" Horst----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > Hi Don, > > I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be approved by the IMA, although > I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. But seriously, how are we > supposed to know how to pronounce some of these new minerals if the name > has > to be non-capitalized and all one word? For example, if I saw > "degarciaite" > in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce it! Is it > "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've > never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but if I had, it would > definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the IMA named a mineral after > me, most people would have no idea how to pronounce it. > > By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) > > Regards, > > Bob Loeffler > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > morningstar@att.net > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >> Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. > > Hi, > > I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct > spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. > >> I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral >> name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin >> of >> the name was a place or personal name. > > Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of > approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; for > example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral > after > De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I > imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & > Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, > but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite > from > a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually > capitalized > either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names > and > I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From agesilaus at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 19:11:13 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 20 19:11:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours In-Reply-To: References: <004001c52ba4$49f45f30$c44127c4@privatehome> Message-ID: Heh, I heard something funny about the Nevada site in the news. Apparently they had some recent Congressional hearing that discussed the Sedan test at the Nevada site. This was a 300 KT device used for the 'plowshare' tests. These were tests to see if they could use the weapons to dig canals and such. However a New York Times reporter reported Sudan test instead of Sedan. Next thing the Sudanese had heard about the Sudan weapon tests and were demanding compensation for the tens of thousands of victims in that country. LOL Bryan On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:03:42 -0700, Bob Loeffler wrote: > Hi Horst, > > Yes, my name is originally German, but since it hasn't been pronounced that > way in my family for a couple hundred years, I don't know which way would be > correct. Maybe it just depends on how it is spelled. Since I spell it as > "Loeffler" and not "L?ffler", it should probably be pronounced my way, not > the German way. ;-) > > Regards, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Horst Windisch > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:00 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > Hi Bob, > > I would pronounce yur name differently. Yoiur name is originally German and > the German pronounciation would approximate to Loff-ler ( "o" as in "world") > > Also ask a German-speaking aquaintance to pronounce the German word for > "spoon" which is "L?ffel" > > Horst----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Loeffler" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > > Hi Don, > > > > I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be approved by the IMA, although > > I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. But seriously, how are we > > supposed to know how to pronounce some of these new minerals if the name > > has > > to be non-capitalized and all one word? For example, if I saw > > "degarciaite" > > in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce it! Is it > > "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've > > never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but if I had, it would > > definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the IMA named a mineral after > > me, most people would have no idea how to pronounce it. > > > > By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Loeffler > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of > > morningstar@att.net > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Kitty & Bill Heacox > >> Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. > > > > Hi, > > > > I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct > > spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. > > > >> I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a mineral > >> name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin > >> of > >> the name was a place or personal name. > > > > Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of > > approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; for > > example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral > > after > > De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I > > imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & > > Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, > > but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite > > from > > a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually > > capitalized > > either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names > > and > > I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. > > > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From bg at his.com Sun Mar 20 20:10:08 2005 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sun Mar 20 20:10:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] bryon brookmyer Message-ID: <9d7184b42245c6dff77e77b51f89bb75@his.com> does anyone have an e-mail address for bryon? thanks, cathy From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Mon Mar 21 05:40:48 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon Mar 21 05:58:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours References: Message-ID: <000401c52e1e$14262d30$093f27c4@privatehome> Hi Bob, In German :"oe" is pronounced the same was as "?". We sometimes use "oe" in correspondence, if we cannot find "?" on the keyboard. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > Hi Horst, > > Yes, my name is originally German, but since it hasn't been pronounced > that > way in my family for a couple hundred years, I don't know which way would > be > correct. Maybe it just depends on how it is spelled. Since I spell it as > "Loeffler" and not "L?ffler", it should probably be pronounced my way, not > the German way. ;-) > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Horst Windisch > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:00 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > > Hi Bob, > > I would pronounce yur name differently. Yoiur name is originally German > and > the German pronounciation would approximate to Loff-ler ( "o" as in > "world") > > Also ask a German-speaking aquaintance to pronounce the German word for > "spoon" which is "L?ffel" > > Horst----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Loeffler" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours > > >> Hi Don, >> >> I'm still waiting for "bobloefflerite" to be approved by the IMA, >> although >> I'm not holding my breath. ;-) Just kidding. But seriously, how are we >> supposed to know how to pronounce some of these new minerals if the name >> has >> to be non-capitalized and all one word? For example, if I saw >> "degarciaite" >> in a book, I would have no idea how to pronounce it! Is it >> "DE-gar-ci-a-ite" or "de-GAR-ci-a-ite" or "de-gar-CI-a-ite" or... ? I've >> never heard of this De Garcia guy (or girl), but if I had, it would >> definitely be easier. If 30 years from now the IMA named a mineral after >> me, most people would have no idea how to pronounce it. >> >> By the way, it would be "bob-LEF-ler-ite". ;-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob Loeffler >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of >> morningstar@att.net >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:22 AM >> To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nevada test site tours >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: Kitty & Bill Heacox >>> Not to pick nits, but I believe the name is Trinityite. >> >> Hi, >> >> I've only ever seen trinitite, but that doesn't mean it's the correct >> spelling. I've never seen any of the other variants. >> >>> I'm still not sure I remember what the consensus was on whether a >>> mineral >>> name (or even a non-approved thing) should be capitalized if the origin >>> of >>> the name was a place or personal name. >> >> Well the IMA rules at least are quite clear on that one. The names of >> approved minerals are all lowercase with no spaces to avoid confusion; >> for >> example, a mineral named for LaForge would be laforgeite and a mineral >> after >> De Garcia would be degarciaite. This is pretty straightforward though I >> imagine John White could find a reason to whine about it in his Rocks & >> Minerals column. Trade names and colloquial names have no such standard, >> but except for formally trademarked names like Larimar (blue pectolite >> from >> a Carribean island), I don't recall that such names are usually >> capitalized >> either. However, as I stated, there are no rules for non-approved names >> and >> I suppose standard grammar and spelling apply. >> >> Don >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From Anthony.Schlinsog at GEHA.com Mon Mar 21 06:32:19 2005 From: Anthony.Schlinsog at GEHA.com (Schlinsog, Anthony) Date: Mon Mar 21 06:35:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help Message-ID: Jim, A day late.... :) I just returned from a three day (Fri-Sun) collecting trip into the Flint Hills of Kansas. Needless to say, there is more flint there than one knows what to do with it! Since I left Thursday night, I didn't read your email until this morning. Next time I venture out that way I'll make sure to collect some large pieces of flint so if a request like this comes up again, I'll have some to share. Sorry I couldn't help. I did, however, manage to collect: barite roses, septarian concretions, selenite, pyrite, calcite and some really cool-looking spicky iron concretions. Does anyone have any experience in cleaning iron concretions? I tried my dremel tool with a small wire brush attachment but it was not able to get in between the spikes. I might have found some amber, as well, but I need to do some tests first to confirm it. Anthony Schlinsog anthony.schlinsog@geha.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Daly [mailto:sauktown1@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:48 PM To: Rockhounds; RocksandFossils Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help A friend in Chicago is putting together "beginner sets" of minerals to give to kids. He needs: Flint Massive hornblende In each case, he needs enough to make 15 or more specimens of "egg carton" size. He'd also like to get some larger pieces of flint for the Boy Scouts he works with, for flint and steel fire making. If anyone can help, I'd be glad to reimburse postage and/or work out a suitable trade. Contact me off-list. Jim Daly sauktown1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this email belongs to the sender which is confidential and may be legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete and destroy all copies of the original email and its attachments, and notify the sender. From roughrock at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 18:12:04 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Mon Mar 21 18:12:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] laser light and minerals Message-ID: Several years ag I bought a laser pointer while I was at a Bluegrass music festival. Within an hour I was at the booth that sold jewelry pointing my laser through various polished stones. The results was very interesting. Today I got a notice from John Veevaert about his latest mineral sale. In it he mentioned Dan Balan who is "deeply interested and involved in studying how laser light moves through minerals of different compositions." I thought John's report might interest others so I cut & pasted it below, then to avoid sending spam I took out the link to John's site. If anybody is interested in seeing the site they can Google "trinity minerals." Below is what John wrote about Dan's research. Grant Greetings: I have posted 30 specimens from the collection of Canadian collector Dan Balan that I bought while in Tucson. Dan is deeply interested and involved in studying how laser light moves through minerals of different compositions. Dan built his collection with the objective in mind of shooting light through the mineral so almost all of the minerals in the collection were of a gemmy nature. Hence, there are some interesting pieces in this group. Currently, Dan is working on a new passion - holograms. I saw an example at the Tucson Show of a benitoite specimen (Dan shares a love of my favorite mineral species also) that blew my socks off! With a single light source the hologram can be rotated and all of the characteristics of the real specimen - down to reflections of light at certain angles are faithfully recorded and visible in these things. They are orders of magnitude better than any hologram you have ever likely seen. I can assure you that you will be seeing and hearing a lot more about these because this is cutting edge holographic technology. Some day you will be able to own holographic representations of some of the world's finest mineral specimens in full color. They will appear as though they are mounted behind a glass case on your wall. Dan told me that in holography there are different methods to apply in creating a variety of holograms. There are achromatic holograms (also known as rainbow holograms), then there are the monochrome ones, then the pseudo-color holograms, and ultimately the true-color holograms which is what Dan will be producing (these are the most difficult to achieve, but also the most rewarding, in terms of accuracy). Look for a link on this website and page when the release date comes! Thank you for your interest, John Veevaert Trinity Mineral Co From kqhayes at chartermi.net Tue Mar 22 05:13:33 2005 From: kqhayes at chartermi.net (kqhayes@chartermi.net) Date: Tue Mar 22 05:13:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help Message-ID: <3rr04o$kpse0q@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Anthony, What are you trying to clean off of the spikey iron concretions? If it is something soft, you may wish to try a high pressure water gun. Regards, Keith > > From: "Schlinsog, Anthony" > Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 02:32:19 GMT > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Request for help > > Jim, > > A day late.... :) > > I just returned from a three day (Fri-Sun) collecting trip into the Flint Hills of Kansas. Needless to say, there is more flint there than one knows what to do with it! Since I left Thursday night, I didn't read your email until this morning. Next time I venture out that way I'll make sure to collect some large pieces of flint so if a request like this comes up again, I'll have some to share. Sorry I couldn't help. > > I did, however, manage to collect: barite roses, septarian concretions, selenite, pyrite, calcite and some really cool-looking spicky iron concretions. Does anyone have any experience in cleaning iron concretions? I tried my dremel tool with a small wire brush attachment but it was not able to get in between the spikes. > > I might have found some amber, as well, but I need to do some tests first to confirm it. > > Anthony Schlinsog > anthony.schlinsog@geha.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Daly [mailto:sauktown1@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:48 PM > To: Rockhounds; RocksandFossils > Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help > > > A friend in Chicago is putting together "beginner > sets" of minerals to give to kids. He needs: > Flint > Massive hornblende > In each case, he needs enough to make 15 or more > specimens of "egg carton" size. He'd also like to get > some larger pieces of flint for the Boy Scouts he > works with, for flint and steel fire making. > If anyone can help, I'd be glad to reimburse postage > and/or work out a suitable trade. Contact me off-list. > Jim Daly > sauktown1@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this email belongs to the sender which is confidential and may be legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete and destroy all copies of the original email and its attachments, and notify the sender. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From arf at mc.net Tue Mar 22 15:51:54 2005 From: arf at mc.net (Jack Schmidling) Date: Tue Mar 22 15:52:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Soapstone Message-ID: <011301c52f3a$28924390$815f70d1@S0033035959> My wife bought a soap dish that is made out of "porous soapstone", the idea being that it absorbs the moisture from the soap and solve a problem as old as soap. I have a soapstone egg I bought crossing the equator in Africa and a soapstone carving kit and they are both pretty much like the descriptions of soapstone. The dish feels more like ceramic or casting resin and is rough and chalky to the touch. Every reference I found for soapstone says that is light, soft and non--porous to extent that is is used in sinks and lab benches. I find no references to anything called "porous soapstone". What is the story here? js PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com From pjmodreski at att.net Tue Mar 22 17:16:14 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Tue Mar 22 17:16:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Soapstone Message-ID: <032320050116.23581.4240C35D000B533D00005C1D216037631607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Jack, It sounds like their "soapstone" is "stone for holding soap", not real (geologic) soapstone! Pete -------------- Original message from "Jack Schmidling" : -------------- > My wife bought a soap dish that is made out of "porous soapstone", the idea > being that it absorbs the moisture from the soap and solve a problem as old > as soap. > > I have a soapstone egg I bought crossing the equator in Africa and a > soapstone carving kit and they are both pretty much like the descriptions of > soapstone. The dish feels more like ceramic or casting resin and is rough > and chalky to the touch. > > Every reference I found for soapstone says that is light, soft and > non--porous to extent that is is used in sinks and lab benches. I find no > references to anything called "porous soapstone". > > What is the story here? > > js > > > PHOTO OF THE WEEK: http://schmidling.com/pow.htm > Astronomy, Beer, Cheese, Fiber,Gems, Sausage,Silver http://schmidling.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From erongo at mweb.co.za Thu Mar 24 00:44:44 2005 From: erongo at mweb.co.za (Willie Steyn) Date: Thu Mar 24 00:44:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color References: <3rr04o$kpse0q@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <001501c5304d$babe83f0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> Hi All I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In all my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink colored one I have seen. Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. It is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a topaz. Would appreciate the help. Willem jnr. From barny at mindspring.com Thu Mar 24 03:59:26 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Thu Mar 24 03:55:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] small collection sale Raleigh,N.C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BA7F0F4-9C5C-11D9-8CB4-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> HI Dr.Peter hope to have list ready by Friday, also have a few ecphora quadracostata from Tar River , Nash co, NC thanks for your patience. peggy On Mar 16, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Nielsen, Peter wrote: > Dear Barney, > > I teach geology at Keene State College in Keene, NH. We are always > looking to acquire material for use in class or for our display > collection at reasonable prices. If your collection is still > available, I would appreciate receiving a list of what material you > have (with location data if possible) and your asking price.] > > thanks in advance > > pete > > > Dr. Peter A. Nielsen > Professor and Chair > Department of Geology > Keene State College > Keene, NH 03435 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peggy Barnhill [mailto:barny@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wed 3/16/2005 6:45 PM > To: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Cc: > Subject: [Rockhounds] small collection sale Raleigh,N.C > > > > Haven't posted often, just enjoyed list. > > Am downsizing, ready to retire and travel. > > Therefore, would like to sell a small mineral collection. > > if interested, please reply off list and will give info. > > thanks, > > barny > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > ??m?????? text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > ??_______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From barny at mindspring.com Thu Mar 24 04:04:17 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Thu Mar 24 04:00:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] sorry Message-ID: my fingers are asleep, sorry for private post. barny From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 24 15:48:00 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 24 15:45:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientists Find Soft Tissue in T-Rex Bone Message-ID: <4243511E.6BCD@Tomaszewski.net> The long link may wrap... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20050324/sc_nm/dinosaur_to_dc From murowchickj at umkc.edu Thu Mar 24 16:24:59 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Information Services) Date: Thu Mar 24 16:24:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientists Find Soft Tissue in T-Rex Bone In-Reply-To: <4243511E.6BCD@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Shades of Jurassic Park! I'd feel a lot better if it had been something a little smaller. I know it's still a distant fantasy to bring back dinos, but I'd feel better having something a little less threatening than T. rex around. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 3/24/05 5:48 PM, "Kreigh Tomaszewski" wrote: > The long link may wrap... > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20050324/sc_nm/d > inosaur_to_dc > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 24 16:48:33 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 24 16:48:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Diego area collecting Message-ID: <003701c530d4$5f712de0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I will be in the San Diego area the last week in July. This is a family vacation, and I want to spend one day collecting, while the rest of the family does more typical touristy stuff. I would like to get together with one or more local collectors to visit a mineral or fossil locality. I am interested in pegmatites, but anything else will be considered. I have realistic expectations because of the volume of collectors in the region and would be happy with just about anything. For me its the experience and fellowship as much as the specimens. I can also bring some material to trade or give away. I have been in touch with several people via e-mail, but have not had enough follow-up to meet anyone on a specific day. Feel free to e-mail me directly or through the list. Regards, Alan Goldstein Louisville --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 24 20:49:41 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 24 20:46:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientists Find Soft Tissue in T-Rex Bone References: Message-ID: <424397A9.515E@Tomaszewski.net> If they cloned a T-Rex it would be small at the start...but I'de go to see one anytime! Can you imagine what would be learned watching a dino like "Sue" grow up? And who knows, they might taste like chicken. ;-} I'll be overjoyed if they can finally resolve the cold/warm blooded debates. I'm hoping for some suprises, but expect it will be a while. Sigh! I think this is a story that will have many more chapters. I am looking forward to the next one already (but let me know if you see it before I do -- Thanks!). Kreigh Information Services wrote: > > Shades of Jurassic Park! I'd feel a lot better if it had been something a > little smaller. I know it's still a distant fantasy to bring back dinos, > but I'd feel better having something a little less threatening than T. rex > around. > > Jim > > Dr. James B. Murowchick > Associate Professor, Geology > Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall > 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 > 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 > murowchickj@umkc.edu > > On 3/24/05 5:48 PM, "Kreigh Tomaszewski" wrote: > > > The long link may wrap... > > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20050324/sc_nm/d > > inosaur_to_dc From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Mar 24 21:29:13 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Mar 24 21:29:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet Message-ID: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> What is "grossular garnet" as opposed to any other type of garnet?? Jeanette --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 21:32:34 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Thu Mar 24 21:32:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: <001501c5304d$babe83f0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> References: <3rr04o$kpse0q@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> <001501c5304d$babe83f0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado River, near Needles, CA. It is the size of an olive. Because of weathering I can't tell if there was ever any crystal shape. Does any body know of pink translucent stones from the area? A couple people guessed rose quartz but I've seen a lot of rose quartz and I don't think this is rose quartz. It has some opaque gray-white matrix attached, as if it weathered out of a host rock. Grant On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:44:44 +0200, Willie Steyn wrote: > Hi All > I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In all > my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink colored > one I have seen. > Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. It > is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a topaz. > Would appreciate the help. > Willem jnr. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Fri Mar 25 00:51:14 2005 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Fri Mar 25 00:51:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <4243D102.3749F6C@gmx.de> Hello, garnets are a group of mineral species. Grossular is a single species. Identification is based on chemical composition, grossular being a Ca-Al-garnet. Just a short notice, find more in textbooks of mineralogy. Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Jeanette Wimpee schrieb: > What is "grossular garnet" as opposed to any other type of garnet?? > Jeanette > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Mar 25 04:59:38 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Fri Mar 25 04:59:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Diego area collecting In-Reply-To: <003701c530d4$5f712de0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <001b01c5313a$6a2c00a0$0200a8c0@gametime> Alan: This is essentially a fee dig approach and it may not be open for the year yet. http://www.highdesertgemsandminerals.com/index.html The owner (Chris Rose) is usually out prospecting or working his mines so he doesn't always respond quickly. The Himalaya mine is outside of San Diego and well within pegmatite country. For digging in the tailings all that is needed is a shovel and sifting gear. Ted Kowalski -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 7:49 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] San Diego area collecting I will be in the San Diego area the last week in July. This is a family vacation, and I want to spend one day collecting, while the rest of the family does more typical touristy stuff. I would like to get together with one or more local collectors to visit a mineral or fossil locality. I am interested in pegmatites, but anything else will be considered. I have realistic expectations because of the volume of collectors in the region and would be happy with just about anything. For me its the experience and fellowship as much as the specimens. I can also bring some material to trade or give away. I have been in touch with several people via e-mail, but have not had enough follow-up to meet anyone on a specific day. Feel free to e-mail me directly or through the list. Regards, Alan Goldstein Louisville --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Mar 25 05:01:20 2005 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted) Date: Fri Mar 25 05:01:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c5313a$66cf4110$0200a8c0@gametime> Grant: Just a guess, but consider tourmaline. Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Grant Johnston Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:33 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado River, near Needles, CA. It is the size of an olive. Because of weathering I can't tell if there was ever any crystal shape. Does any body know of pink translucent stones from the area? A couple people guessed rose quartz but I've seen a lot of rose quartz and I don't think this is rose quartz. It has some opaque gray-white matrix attached, as if it weathered out of a host rock. Grant On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:44:44 +0200, Willie Steyn wrote: > Hi All > I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In all > my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink colored > one I have seen. > Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. It > is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a topaz. > Would appreciate the help. > Willem jnr. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 25 06:08:43 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Mar 25 05:57:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete> And Jeanette, grossular garnets are usually pale colored, not dark red, they can range from orange to amber to brown to yellow to gray to white to pale green. "Hessonite" or "Essonite" is a name for gemmy orange or amber-colored grossular, which is probably the best known color for it. A color exception is the pink to red grossular from Mexico. Grossular is taken from the word for "gooseberry", and I think gooseberries are pale green (I just don't run into real gooseberries all that often). Pete Modreski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet What is "grossular garnet" as opposed to any other type of garnet?? Jeanette --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 25 06:16:57 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Mar 25 06:05:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color References: <3rr04o$kpse0q@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> <001501c5304d$babe83f0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <003c01c53145$4ebc60c0$c2a4490c@pete> I believe the pink to red color in some (rare) topazes is due to chromium--just as it colors ruby red. Pink topaz is known from a few places--Pakistan, Brazil, Namibia, and some very pale pink topaz from Topaz Mtn., Utah. The two choices for the pink color in minerals are manganese (especially Mn+3, which imparts an intense pink/red color as in piemontite, vs. Mn+2, which just colors minerals pale pink as in rhodochrosite and thulite), and chromium, which depending on the crystal structure of the mineral, colors some minerals red (ruby) and some green (emerald, uvarovite), and some red/green combined (alexandrite). I know there have been articles on topaz in Min. Record and else that authoritatively state which it is in pink topaz--I think chromium, but I'll check. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Steyn" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:44 AM Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > Hi All > I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In all > my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink colored > one I have seen. > Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. It > is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a topaz. > Would appreciate the help. > Willem jnr. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From erongo at mweb.co.za Fri Mar 25 06:17:17 2005 From: erongo at mweb.co.za (Willie Steyn) Date: Fri Mar 25 06:18:57 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color References: <3rr04o$kpse0q@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net><001501c5304d$babe83f0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> <003c01c53145$4ebc60c0$c2a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <000e01c53145$952a29c0$eff6a5a5@Namibiaminerals> Thanks Pete Checked on the net and found several references but no explanation. It just tickled me as I could not think of anything around the Spiztkoppe that we know of that could cause the coloration. After your explanation , it was back to some more investigation and in a report of the ministry of mineral and energy of Namibia from 199,6 they had found chromium in the sand (desert) around the Spitzkoppe and the Erongo`s. Thanks again Willem jnr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color >I believe the pink to red color in some (rare) topazes is due to > chromium--just as it colors ruby red. Pink topaz is known from a few > places--Pakistan, Brazil, Namibia, and some very pale pink topaz from > Topaz > Mtn., Utah. > > The two choices for the pink color in minerals are manganese (especially > Mn+3, which imparts an intense pink/red color as in piemontite, vs. Mn+2, > which just colors minerals pale pink as in rhodochrosite and thulite), and > chromium, which depending on the crystal structure of the mineral, colors > some minerals red (ruby) and some green (emerald, uvarovite), and some > red/green combined (alexandrite). I know there have been articles on > topaz > in Min. Record and else that authoritatively state which it is in pink > topaz--I think chromium, but I'll check. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Steyn" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > > >> Hi All >> I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In > all >> my years traveling and collecting in the area it is the first pink > colored >> one I have seen. >> Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. > It >> is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definitely a > topaz. >> Would appreciate the help. >> Willem jnr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From murowchickj at umkc.edu Fri Mar 25 08:10:48 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Fri Mar 25 08:10:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet In-Reply-To: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: Jeanette- The garnet group is informally divided into two main subgroups called the pyralspite group and the ugrandite group. The pyralspite group contains aluminum-rich garnets: pyrope [Mg3Al2(SiO4)3], almandine [Fe3Al3(SiO4)3], and spessartine [Mn3Al2(SiO4)3]. The ugrandite group includes calcium-rich garnets: uvarovite [Ca3Cr2(SiO4)3], grossular [Ca3Al2(SiO4)3], and andradite [Ca3Fe2(SiO4)3]. Each of those six is a separate mineral species. The group names come from combining the first few letters of each species name.There are a number of less-common garnet species as well, including hydrogrossular [Ca3Al2(SiO4)3-x(OH4x], where 4 H+ ions substitute for one Si4+ ion in the structure. The Ca-rich garnets are likely to be found in metamorphosed calcareous rocks (marbles, calc-silicate rocks, and skarns. The Al-rich ones are commonly found where an Al-rich parent material, such as a shale or mudstone was metamorphosed, so almandine is the common garnet found in the mica schists of North Carolina and elsewhere. Spessartine requires manganese, so it is less common, and pyrope forms from Mg-rich parent materials, like mafic and ultramafic rocks. I hope that helps. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 3/24/05 11:29 PM, "Jeanette Wimpee" wrote: > What is "grossular garnet" as opposed to any other type of garnet?? > Jeanette > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 25 09:32:07 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 25 09:32:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: <003c01c53145$4ebc60c0$c2a4490c@pete> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Grant & Ted here's two cents worth from Belgium (eurocents, so to speak ;-)) I may be wrong but I seem to remember that tourmaline is dichroic, strongly enough to be recognized by the naked eye. If the rounded pebble that you found is tourmaline, you should see the color deepen and lighten, depending on the orientation when your rotate it in front of a strong light source. I tried it with both the verdelite and rubellite varieties and it seems to work. Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Peter J. Modreski Verzonden: vrijdag 25 maart 2005 15:17 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color I believe the pink to red color in some (rare) topazes is due to chromium--just as it colors ruby red. Pink topaz is known from a few places--Pakistan, Brazil, Namibia, and some very pale pink topaz from Topaz Mtn., Utah. The two choices for the pink color in minerals are manganese (especially Mn+3, which imparts an intense pink/red color as in piemontite, vs. Mn+2, which just colors minerals pale pink as in rhodochrosite and thulite), and chromium, which depending on the crystal structure of the mineral, colors some minerals red (ruby) and some green (emerald, uvarovite), and some red/green combined (alexandrite). I know there have been articles on topaz in Min. Record and else that authoritatively state which it is in pink topaz--I think chromium, but I'll check. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Steyn" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:44 AM Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > Hi All > I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In all > my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink colored > one I have seen. > Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. It > is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a topaz. > Would appreciate the help. > Willem jnr. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From murowchickj at umkc.edu Fri Mar 25 11:24:46 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Fri Mar 25 11:24:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Axel- Doesn't the incoming light need to be polarized to see dichroism? (I'm not talking about having crossed polarizers as on the polarized light microscope, but just plane-polarized light). I suppose if you reflected the light off a mirror at low angles, it might be sufficiently polarized to see an effect. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 3/25/05 11:32 AM, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: > Hi Pete, Grant & Ted > > here's two cents worth from Belgium (eurocents, so to speak ;-)) > > I may be wrong but I seem to remember that tourmaline is dichroic, strongly > enough to be recognized by the naked eye. > If the rounded pebble that you found is tourmaline, you should see the color > deepen and lighten, depending on the orientation when your rotate it in > front of a strong light source. I tried it with both the verdelite and > rubellite varieties and it seems to work. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Peter J. Modreski > Verzonden: vrijdag 25 maart 2005 15:17 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > > > I believe the pink to red color in some (rare) topazes is due to > chromium--just as it colors ruby red. Pink topaz is known from a few > places--Pakistan, Brazil, Namibia, and some very pale pink topaz from Topaz > Mtn., Utah. > > The two choices for the pink color in minerals are manganese (especially > Mn+3, which imparts an intense pink/red color as in piemontite, vs. Mn+2, > which just colors minerals pale pink as in rhodochrosite and thulite), and > chromium, which depending on the crystal structure of the mineral, colors > some minerals red (ruby) and some green (emerald, uvarovite), and some > red/green combined (alexandrite). I know there have been articles on topaz > in Min. Record and else that authoritatively state which it is in pink > topaz--I think chromium, but I'll check. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Steyn" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > > >> Hi All >> I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In > all >> my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink > colored >> one I have seen. >> Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. > It >> is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a > topaz. >> Would appreciate the help. >> Willem jnr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 11:56:31 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Mar 25 11:56:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325195631.37640.qmail@web51009.mail.yahoo.com> Anthony, Thanks! Please keep me in mind next time you go. Won't be in time for the present need, but such requests come along frequently. Regards, Jim --- "Schlinsog, Anthony" wrote: > Jim, > > A day late.... :) > > I just returned from a three day (Fri-Sun) > collecting trip into the Flint Hills of Kansas. > Needless to say, there is more flint there than one > knows what to do with it! Since I left Thursday > night, I didn't read your email until this morning. > Next time I venture out that way I'll make sure to > collect some large pieces of flint so if a request > like this comes up again, I'll have some to share. > Sorry I couldn't help. > > I did, however, manage to collect: barite roses, > septarian concretions, selenite, pyrite, calcite and > some really cool-looking spicky iron concretions. > Does anyone have any experience in cleaning iron > concretions? I tried my dremel tool with a small > wire brush attachment but it was not able to get in > between the spikes. > > I might have found some amber, as well, but I need > to do some tests first to confirm it. > > Anthony Schlinsog > anthony.schlinsog@geha.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Daly [mailto:sauktown1@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:48 PM > To: Rockhounds; RocksandFossils > Subject: [Rockhounds] Request for help > > > A friend in Chicago is putting together "beginner > sets" of minerals to give to kids. He needs: > Flint > Massive hornblende > In each case, he needs enough to make 15 or more > specimens of "egg carton" size. He'd also like to > get > some larger pieces of flint for the Boy Scouts he > works with, for flint and steel fire making. > If anyone can help, I'd be glad to reimburse postage > and/or work out a suitable trade. Contact me > off-list. > Jim Daly > sauktown1@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in > this email belongs to the sender which is > confidential and may be legally privileged. The > information is intended only for the use of the > individual or entity named above. If you are not > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking > of any action in reliance on the contents of this > email is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this email in error, please immediately delete and > destroy all copies of the original email and its > attachments, and notify the sender. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From chambers5 at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 22 21:30:11 2005 From: chambers5 at bellsouth.net (chambers5@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Mar 25 13:36:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Gray Fossil Site Message-ID: <20050323053011.NMVU1995.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Hi, Just a quick follow up note about The Gray Fossil Site. This single largest Miocene site was discovered on my family farm in East Tennessee. As a result, the family has created the Fulkerson Farm Institute in order to research, excavate, and preserve these incredible, rare fossils. In order to help finance this important work, we make available some of the museum quality specimens. Currently, we can not allow individuals not associated with the institute to collect. However, we are contemplating a change to this in the future. Check out our website for more information about The Gray Fossil Site at: www.TheGrayFossilSite.com John From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 25 15:01:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 25 15:01:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim, I don't think so. Rotating my (broken chunk of) green tourmaline brings out really clear differences in color intensity. Looking through it along what I think is the C-axis renders it so dark green that it becomes almost black. The piece is not really much thicker in that direction so that normal absorption of light along a longer path can be excluded. It's really obvious. On the other hand, the pink spodumene variety kunzite would also display dichroism be it a little less obvious. I have an elongated spodumene crystal that display a VERY obvious dichroism in its fluorescence intensity. So if the pink color turns slightly deeper upon rotation, it could also be kunzite. If you're really lucky and you have some UV-lamps you might try this to determine which of the candidates is the most likely . If it fluoresces orange under long wave it is more likely to be spodumene. If it fluoresces violet pink under long wave and blue under short wave, it also more likely to be spodumene. If it does not fluoresce under long wave but fluoresces blue under short wave exclusively, it is more likely to be tourmaline. If no fluorescence is observed, you're back to square one since neither of these minerals fluoresces consistently. Mind you: fluorescence is a feeble tool for determination of minerals! It may give a clue but noting more than that (in this case). In any of the above cases it can still be something completely different. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jim Murowchick Verzonden: vrijdag 25 maart 2005 20:25 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Identify color Axel- Doesn't the incoming light need to be polarized to see dichroism? (I'm not talking about having crossed polarizers as on the polarized light microscope, but just plane-polarized light). I suppose if you reflected the light off a mirror at low angles, it might be sufficiently polarized to see an effect. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 3/25/05 11:32 AM, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: > Hi Pete, Grant & Ted > > here's two cents worth from Belgium (eurocents, so to speak ;-)) > > I may be wrong but I seem to remember that tourmaline is dichroic, strongly > enough to be recognized by the naked eye. > If the rounded pebble that you found is tourmaline, you should see the color > deepen and lighten, depending on the orientation when your rotate it in > front of a strong light source. I tried it with both the verdelite and > rubellite varieties and it seems to work. > > Cheers > > Axel > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Peter J. Modreski > Verzonden: vrijdag 25 maart 2005 15:17 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > > > I believe the pink to red color in some (rare) topazes is due to > chromium--just as it colors ruby red. Pink topaz is known from a few > places--Pakistan, Brazil, Namibia, and some very pale pink topaz from Topaz > Mtn., Utah. > > The two choices for the pink color in minerals are manganese (especially > Mn+3, which imparts an intense pink/red color as in piemontite, vs. Mn+2, > which just colors minerals pale pink as in rhodochrosite and thulite), and > chromium, which depending on the crystal structure of the mineral, colors > some minerals red (ruby) and some green (emerald, uvarovite), and some > red/green combined (alexandrite). I know there have been articles on topaz > in Min. Record and else that authoritatively state which it is in pink > topaz--I think chromium, but I'll check. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Steyn" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color > > >> Hi All >> I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In > all >> my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink > colored >> one I have seen. >> Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. > It >> is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a > topaz. >> Would appreciate the help. >> Willem jnr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From geenet2 at mchsi.com Fri Mar 25 15:20:26 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 25 15:27:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete> Message-ID: <005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Thanks ya'll! Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter J. Modreski" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet > And Jeanette, grossular garnets are usually pale colored, not dark red, > they > can range from orange to amber to brown to yellow to gray to white to pale > green. "Hessonite" or "Essonite" is a name for gemmy orange or > amber-colored > grossular, which is probably the best known color for it. A color > exception > is the pink to red grossular from Mexico. Grossular is taken from the > word > for "gooseberry", and I think gooseberries are pale green (I just don't > run > into real gooseberries all that often). > > Pete Modreski From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Mar 25 15:39:07 2005 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Mar 25 15:39:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color Message-ID: <032520052339.14402.4244A11A000DA7F700003842216028074807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Yes, the dichroism should be visible just in ordinary light, if the mineral is tourmaline. That was a good idea for recognizing the mineral's identity--to see whether it is tourmaline. Of course, the waterworn stone would have to be part of a single crystal of tourmaline to show this; if it were a fine-grained aggregate of tourmaline (which is not very common), the crystals in it would have all different orientations and the stone would not show any dichroism, and it would not be very clear to boot. In polarized light, you can see the dichroism--if the stone is oriented perpendicular to the c-axis--by simply rotating the stone around the axis along which you are viewing it. But in ordinary, non-polarized light, you would have to physically rotate the stone so you are looking at it from a different direction--so that you were looking at it first down the c-axis (at which orientation it would appear deeper-colored), and then look at it perpendicular to the c-axis (at which it would appear pale-colored). I hope I could say that so it was understandable! Tourmaline (pink tourmline) sounds like a pretty unlikely stone to actually find in a stream gravel, unless you really knew that you were right downhill or downstream from one of the gem-bearing pegmatite mines in San Diego County, CA. But you never know, of course. Pete -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" : -------------- > Jim, > > I don't think so. Rotating my (broken chunk of) green tourmaline brings out > really clear differences in color intensity. Looking through it along what I > think is the C-axis renders it so dark green that it becomes almost black. > The piece is not really much thicker in that direction so that normal > absorption of light along a longer path can be excluded. It's really > obvious. > On the other hand, the pink spodumene variety kunzite would also display > dichroism be it a little less obvious. I have an elongated spodumene crystal > that display a VERY obvious dichroism in its fluorescence intensity. > So if the pink color turns slightly deeper upon rotation, it could also be > kunzite. > > > Axel- > Doesn't the incoming light need to be polarized to see dichroism? (I'm > not talking about having crossed polarizers as on the polarized light > microscope, but just plane-polarized light). I suppose if you reflected the > light off a mirror at low angles, it might be sufficiently polarized to see > an effect. > > Jim > > > Dr. James B. Murowchick > Associate Professor, Geology > Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall > 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 > 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 > murowchickj@umkc.edu > > > > > On 3/25/05 11:32 AM, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: > > > Hi Pete, Grant & Ted > > > > here's two cents worth from Belgium (eurocents, so to speak ;-)) > > > > I may be wrong but I seem to remember that tourmaline is dichroic, > strongly > > enough to be recognized by the naked eye. > > If the rounded pebble that you found is tourmaline, you should see the > color > > deepen and lighten, depending on the orientation when your rotate it in > > front of a strong light source. I tried it with both the verdelite and > > rubellite varieties and it seems to work. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at mindspring.com Fri Mar 25 16:15:30 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Fri Mar 25 16:11:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <296CEC68-9D8C-11D9-B870-000A95773806@mindspring.com> The rock that got me hooked on all this was a piece of translucent pink chalcedony, found on the side of the road outside of Barstow. That would be my first guess. *s* Carol On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Grant Johnston wrote: > I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado > River, near Needles, CA. It is the size of an olive. Because of > weathering I can't tell if there was ever any crystal shape. Does any > body know of pink translucent stones from the area? A couple people > guessed rose quartz but I've seen a lot of rose quartz and I don't > think this is rose quartz. It has some opaque gray-white matrix > attached, as if it weathered out of a host rock. > > Grant > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:44:44 +0200, Willie Steyn > wrote: >> Hi All >> I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. >> In all >> my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink >> colored >> one I have seen. >> Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink >> color. It >> is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a >> topaz. >> Would appreciate the help. >> Willem jnr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From bova at mindspring.com Fri Mar 25 16:27:08 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Fri Mar 25 16:23:37 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should have looked before I sent the last post.. there's a pic of pink chalcedony from Needles on this BLM website: http://www.ca.blm.gov/needles/rock.htm Carol On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Grant Johnston wrote: > I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado > River, near Needles, CA. From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Mar 25 16:31:10 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Mar 25 16:31:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color References: <3rr04o$kpse0q@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net><001501c5304d$babe83f0$8e91fea9@Namibiaminerals> Message-ID: <007401c5319b$1c3dc7f0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> How about one of the feldspars. Microcline is often pink and can be translucent. The gray-white matrix could be quartz or another feldspar mineral. A photo may or may not help. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Johnston" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: Re: RE: [Rockhounds] Identify color >I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado > River, near Needles, CA. It is the size of an olive. Because of > weathering I can't tell if there was ever any crystal shape. Does any > body know of pink translucent stones from the area? A couple people > guessed rose quartz but I've seen a lot of rose quartz and I don't > think this is rose quartz. It has some opaque gray-white matrix > attached, as if it weathered out of a host rock. > > Grant > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:44:44 +0200, Willie Steyn > wrote: >> Hi All >> I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. In >> all >> my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink >> colored >> one I have seen. >> Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink color. >> It >> is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a >> topaz. >> Would appreciate the help. >> Willem jnr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From john.f.alcorn at gte.net Fri Mar 25 17:31:16 2005 From: john.f.alcorn at gte.net (John Alcorn) Date: Fri Mar 25 17:31:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color References: <296CEC68-9D8C-11D9-B870-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <001801c531a3$81e6e430$9ffb0504@ROSENANTE> There's lots of chalcedony and river worn agate(and pet. wood too) upriver, just south of Hoover Dam, so it's most likely some made it to Needles. Carol, interestingly, it was a piece of jasper on the road outside of Barstow that got me rehooked on all this... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol J. Bova" To: "Grant Johnston" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Identify colori > The rock that got me hooked on all this was a piece of translucent pink > chalcedony, found on the side of the road outside of Barstow. That would > be my first guess. *s* > Carol > > > On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Grant Johnston wrote: > >> I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado >> River, near Needles, CA. From kahako at verizon.net Fri Mar 25 18:51:24 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Mar 25 18:51:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet In-Reply-To: <005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete> <005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325164913.0263e948@incoming.verizon.net> >>Grossular is taken from the word >>for "gooseberry", and I think gooseberries are pale green (I just don't run >>into real gooseberries all that often). >>Pete Modreski Did you know that the real name for Kiwi Fruit is Chinese Goosberry? And you all know what the color of Kiwi Fruit is. Aloha, Kitty From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 25 19:19:09 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:07:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] gooseberry garnet References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A><002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete><005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <6.2.1.2.0.20050325164913.0263e948@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <004101c531b2$947718e0$c0a3490c@pete> They're brown and fuzzy, right? Just like geese? Hey, while I think of it, Kitty & Bill, please say hello to the nene's for me! (Did I spell that right?) (They're not extinct, are they I hope?) Which kind of garnet is named after mooseberries? (You know, the bush. They don't have them in Hawaii--only up by Frostbite Falls.) Pete > Did you know that the real name for Kiwi Fruit is Chinese Goosberry? And > you all know what the color of Kiwi Fruit is. > > Aloha, Kitty > From pawpawtiger at mchsi.com Fri Mar 25 19:15:10 2005 From: pawpawtiger at mchsi.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:15:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A><002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete><005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <6.2.1.2.0.20050325164913.0263e948@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <010b01c531b2$05307a50$6601a8c0@GlennWimpee> What are the berries on which the Nene Geese graze on Kiluea? (Red when ripe, and quite tasty I learned when the park guide said it was OK to taste ONE!) Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet > >>>Grossular is taken from the word >>>for "gooseberry", and I think gooseberries are pale green (I just don't >>>run >>>into real gooseberries all that often). >>>Pete Modreski > > > Did you know that the real name for Kiwi Fruit is Chinese Goosberry? And > you all know what the color of Kiwi Fruit is. > > Aloha, Kitty > > From kahako at verizon.net Fri Mar 25 19:17:16 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:17:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325165259.0263b1c0@incoming.verizon.net> Two neat stories in the news, though hard to fit on the rockhound topic: 1. Video on the national TV news of an octopus strolling along on the bottom of the ocean on two tentacles: left, right, left, right, MARCH, two, three, four. OK, it was walking on sand. That's rocks. Apparently there are two species that do this: "One species wraps six of its legs around itself in a tight ball as it jogs backwards across the sea bed on the other two, somewhat like a little green video game alien trying to avoid being eaten or shot. The other holds six arms up in frozen, crooked poses like tree branches as it moves on two arms that seem to act like mini conveyor belts." -from a site found by Googling "walking octopus" 2. Shades of Jurassic Park, a broken T-Rex bone has revealed tissue inside. Putting "T-Rex bone tissue" into Google brings up several articles. And those are fossils, so that's rocks too. Aloha, Kitty From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 25 19:42:59 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:31:16 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A><002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete><005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A><6.2.1.2.0.20050325164913.0263e948@incoming.verizon.net> <010b01c531b2$05307a50$6601a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <005b01c531b5$e99f4ce0$c0a3490c@pete> I'm going to cheat, and answer before Kitty does (maybe)! I knew it sounded something like "Ohia", but I knew that was a tree, but not quite it, so I had to look it up on the Web. It's Ohelo berries! (Hi, Kitty!) Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet > What are the berries on which the Nene Geese graze on Kiluea? (Red when > ripe, and quite tasty I learned when the park guide said it was OK to taste > ONE!) > > Glenn From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 25 19:44:58 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:33:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325165259.0263b1c0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <006101c531b6$2f9db240$c0a3490c@pete> And the dino bones certainly weren't off topic, Kitty. I thought that was very fascinating, too. And I just saw on a web site, that there are about 600 nene left alive in Hawaii. (sound right to you?) Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) > Two neat stories in the news, though hard to fit on the rockhound topic: > /listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Fri Mar 25 19:52:53 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Mar 25 19:52:54 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] gooseberry garnet In-Reply-To: <004101c531b2$947718e0$c0a3490c@pete> References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete> <005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <6.2.1.2.0.20050325164913.0263e948@incoming.verizon.net> <004101c531b2$947718e0$c0a3490c@pete> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325171801.02645e30@incoming.verizon.net> Brownish greenish and fuzzy on the outside; light green on the inside. Nene's are not extinct, but are endangered and rare. There are signs with a picture of a nene on the roads through parts of the volcano area warning drivers to be careful. They nest in the vegetation on old lava flows of Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa, Kilauea and Hualallai on the Big Island, and on Haleakala on Maui. For those of you who don't know what a nene is, it's the state bird of Hawaii and is a goose, looking much like the Canada goose. Their being on volcanoes makes this rock-related, right? Aloha, Kitty At 05:19 PM 3/25/2005, you wrote: >They're brown and fuzzy, right? Just like geese? > >Hey, while I think of it, Kitty & Bill, please say hello to the nene's for >me! (Did I spell that right?) (They're not extinct, are they I hope?) > >Which kind of garnet is named after mooseberries? (You know, the bush. >They don't have them in Hawaii--only up by Frostbite Falls.) > >Pete > > > Did you know that the real name for Kiwi Fruit is Chinese Goosberry? And > > you all know what the color of Kiwi Fruit is. > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From kahako at verizon.net Fri Mar 25 20:04:21 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Mar 25 20:04:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet In-Reply-To: <010b01c531b2$05307a50$6601a8c0@GlennWimpee> References: <005701c530fb$945a2f30$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <002801c53144$2b1a2cc0$c2a4490c@pete> <005901c53192$352d3ab0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> <6.2.1.2.0.20050325164913.0263e948@incoming.verizon.net> <010b01c531b2$05307a50$6601a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325175333.0264e488@incoming.verizon.net> That would be Ohelo Berries. See the following site for a picture of nenes eating them: http://victoriamccormick.com/ohberpicwego.html If you Google "Ohelo Berries" you'll find---among other things---where you can buy Ohelo Berry jam! Aloha, Kitty At 05:15 PM 3/25/2005, you wrote: >What are the berries on which the Nene Geese graze on Kiluea? (Red when >ripe, and quite tasty I learned when the park guide said it was OK to >taste ONE!) > >Glenn >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:51 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] grossular garnet > > >> >>>>Grossular is taken from the word >>>>for "gooseberry", and I think gooseberries are pale green (I just don't run >>>>into real gooseberries all that often). >>>>Pete Modreski >> >> >>Did you know that the real name for Kiwi Fruit is Chinese Goosberry? And >>you all know what the color of Kiwi Fruit is. >> >>Aloha, Kitty >> > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 20:52:10 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Mar 25 20:52:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325165259.0263b1c0@incoming.verizon.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325165259.0263b1c0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: I wonder if that suggest a predisposition for dominance in brain function? Primates tend to be right-handed and I think it has been observed in four legged animals. When I was in graduate school I recall reading about measurable difference in verbal processing between right and left handed humans. Just to keep on topic, right handed people usually pick up rocks with their right hand ;-) Octipi have large brains. If they have bi-lateral dominance for manual skills I wonder what skills the other hemisphere has? Maybe it is thinking about rocks? Grant On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:17:16 -1000, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Two neat stories in the news, though hard to fit on the rockhound topic: > > 1. Video on the national TV news of an octopus strolling along on the > bottom of the ocean on two tentacles: left, right, left, right, MARCH, two, > three, four. OK, it was walking on sand. That's rocks. From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 21:33:40 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Mar 25 21:33:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: <001801c531a3$81e6e430$9ffb0504@ROSENANTE> References: <296CEC68-9D8C-11D9-B870-000A95773806@mindspring.com> <001801c531a3$81e6e430$9ffb0504@ROSENANTE> Message-ID: It might be chalcedony. The matrix rock on it is easily scratched of with a pocket knife. It doesn't react to vinegar. However, my pocket knife doesn't leave a visible scratch on the translucent materiel. I tried rubbng it on a piece of unglazed pottery. It left a mark on the pot but it was pot rubbing away, not rock. I think pink chalcedony is the best guess for now. It is hard, very hard. If I had more it might be good for lapidary. Carol, I think I went to a yard sale at your house 3 or 4 years ago. You were gone but I bought a few things from Hans. I've got several small bags in my back room with lace agate, or maybe laguna agate -- and some porcelin agate I bought from Hans. I'm going to get my saw out and start cutting on it soon. I said the same thing last March too. Grant On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:31:16 -0800, John Alcorn wrote: > There's lots of chalcedony and river worn agate(and pet. wood too) upriver, > just south of Hoover Dam, so it's most likely some made it to Needles. > Carol, interestingly, it was a piece of jasper on the road outside of > Barstow that got me rehooked on all this... > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol J. Bova" > To: "Grant Johnston" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Identify colori > > > The rock that got me hooked on all this was a piece of translucent pink > > chalcedony, found on the side of the road outside of Barstow. That would > > be my first guess. *s* > > Carol > > > > > > On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Grant Johnston wrote: > > > >> I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado > >> River, near Needles, CA. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sat Mar 26 07:57:52 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sat Mar 26 07:57:55 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050325165259.0263b1c0@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001701c5321c$91463e20$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> For anyone who hasn't seen the walking octopus, here's a link to a video. http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050321/multimedia/050321-14-m2.html It's amazing! Reminds me of the little one-eyed guy in Monsters, Inc. I can't imagine the processes involved in perfecting their gait. Why not a 3 or 4 legged gait? How did they learn to do that? There aren't many bipeds running around on the ocean floor. Skills? They can unscrew a jar lid to get to food, that's been proved with captive octopi. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Johnston" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) >I wonder if that suggest a predisposition for dominance in brain > function? Primates tend to be right-handed and I think it has been > observed in four legged animals. When I was in graduate school I > recall reading about measurable difference in verbal processing > between right and left handed humans. > > Just to keep on topic, right handed people usually pick up rocks with > their right hand ;-) > > Octipi have large brains. If they have bi-lateral dominance for manual > skills I wonder what skills the other hemisphere has? Maybe it is > thinking about rocks? > > Grant From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Mar 26 08:27:27 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Mar 26 08:27:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <001701c5321c$91463e20$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: I saw a documentary about octopi a few months ago. I believe it was called "the octopus show". It is really amazing how intelligent and inventive these creatures are. It pales the intelligence of dolphins or chimps... really. I was awestruck. BTW: the same kind of unexpected intelligence is found in marine rays, specifically stingrays that like to play with divers if they let them. If a diver returns to the diving spot where he once played with a stingray, the animal recognizes him even after one or two years. Really stuff that drops your jaw in your lap (excuse me for this last remark but I am a HUGE fan of Tex Avery cartoons)... Cheers Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jeanette Wimpee Verzonden: zaterdag 26 maart 2005 16:58 Aan: Grant Johnston; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) For anyone who hasn't seen the walking octopus, here's a link to a video. http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050321/multimedia/050321-14-m2.html It's amazing! Reminds me of the little one-eyed guy in Monsters, Inc. I can't imagine the processes involved in perfecting their gait. Why not a 3 or 4 legged gait? How did they learn to do that? There aren't many bipeds running around on the ocean floor. Skills? They can unscrew a jar lid to get to food, that's been proved with captive octopi. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Johnston" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) >I wonder if that suggest a predisposition for dominance in brain > function? Primates tend to be right-handed and I think it has been > observed in four legged animals. When I was in graduate school I > recall reading about measurable difference in verbal processing > between right and left handed humans. > > Just to keep on topic, right handed people usually pick up rocks with > their right hand ;-) > > Octipi have large brains. If they have bi-lateral dominance for manual > skills I wonder what skills the other hemisphere has? Maybe it is > thinking about rocks? > > Grant _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lightedjewels at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 12:00:57 2005 From: lightedjewels at yahoo.com (Michelle B.) Date: Sat Mar 26 12:00:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] WA State Rockhound with a couple of questions! Message-ID: <20050326200057.75919.qmail@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, Haven't written in since I joined but I sure have enjoyed all the new info I have picked up here, the T-Rex news was amazing as well as the cool link to the earthquake site!! O.K. to my questions. My first question is for the list in general. Could those on the list who do or have tumbled stones please give me some ideas on how to make Quartz Crystal take a shine?! I also have recently acquired some Peridot "gravel" and a couple pieces of Tourmaline and would like some ideas on how to tumble it shiney?! My next is if my fellow Washintonians on the list are still interested in getting together to go look for material?! I have some free time Sat.-Mon. and would love to go hunting again! I am located in Tacoma. Thanks, Michelle "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." I have items you might like listed on iOffer, check it out if you have the time --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 26 14:05:50 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 26 14:05:35 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] WA State Rockhound with a couple of questions! References: <20050326200057.75919.qmail@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4245DCA9.1422@Tomaszewski.net> Michelle, Most of the work in tumbling is done during the coarse grinding stage. Coarse grinding must round the specimen to produce a smooth, uniform surface. All the later stages combined only remove .033 to .050 inch from each surface. My first advice would be to lengthen your first, coarse grinding, stage. Second advice is to do a better job of cleaning between stages. After cleaning out each grit, run the load with plain water and a pinch of laundry soap for an hour, and wash it again. One grain of grit left from a previous stage can ruin the finish on a load. Badly graded (or contaminated) grit can also ruin a load. Grit breaks down during use. Running your stages a day or two longer usually breaks down the oversize grit so they turn out right. Third advice is to use a pre-polish stage with something like aluminum oxide powder. And you might consider adding filler to the polishing stages (you can buy special plastic balls, but I use dryer lint). Good luck! Quartz can take a fine polish once you figure out the trick (and it seems to be different for each person/tumbler). Hope one of these hints help. Kreigh Michelle B. wrote: > > Hi All, > Haven't written in since I joined but I sure have enjoyed all the new info I have picked up here, the T-Rex news was amazing as well as the cool link to the earthquake site!! O.K. to my questions. > > My first question is for the list in general. Could those on the list who do or have tumbled stones please give me some ideas on how to make Quartz Crystal take a shine?! I also have recently acquired some Peridot "gravel" and a couple pieces of Tourmaline and would like some ideas on how to tumble it shiney?! > > My next is if my fellow Washintonians on the list are still interested in getting together to go look for material?! I have some free time Sat.-Mon. and would love to go hunting again! I am located in Tacoma. > > Thanks, Michelle > > "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." > > I have items you might like listed on iOffer, check it out if you ha > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 16:57:43 2005 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Mar 26 16:57:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] survey preliminary result: learning in hobby Message-ID: <20050327005743.22067.qmail@web60805.mail.yahoo.com> rockhounds survey update: Most participants on the survey responded to the question what would you most like to learn related to the hobby. Here were some of the results in no particular order: 24 would like to learn cabbing 12 chemisty 4 crystallography 43 faceting 58 geology 15 identification minerals/fossils 6 silversmithing 7 finding/hunting collecting spots 4 paleobotany (many others untallied) Note: results may be slightly skewed as examples were given in text of question, i.e. geology, chemistry. tina aka tangojuli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 26 20:33:49 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 26 20:33:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds -- Who Are We? Survey preliminary result: learning in hobby Message-ID: <42463781.47AC@Tomaszewski.net> The survey has had an unexpectedly large response so far (over 500 responses); if you have not participated, please see below how you can share your input. Most participants on the survey responded to the question what would you most like to learn related to the hobby. Here were some of the results in no particular order: 24 would like to learn cabbing 12 chemisty 4 crystallography 43 faceting 58 geology 15 identification minerals/fossils 6 silversmithing 7 finding/hunting collecting spots 4 paleobotany (many others untallied) Note: results may be slightly skewed as examples were given in text of question, i.e. geology, chemistry. This survey began as a project to discover more about who Rockhounds are, and it has attracted the interest of club officials and members who are worried about declining membership and the future of our hobby. It is our hope that by learning more about current Rockhounds we will be better able to reach out to the next generation(s) to keep the hobby alive. Detailed responses to the survey will be kept confidential, and efforts have been taken to make sure responses are anonymous. We ask that each Rockhound only take the survey once, but please pass on the survey link to other collectors you know so we can get more responses and better results. When the survey is completed on April 15, 2005, the results will be analyized, published, and shared with Rockhound Clubs around the world. The survey itself typically takes less than 15 minutes to complete and must be done in one session. You may skip any question, but answering them all will improve the results. You can start the survey by clicking on the link http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=96084916425 Thank you for taking a few minutes to tell a little about yourself, and the hobby we share and enjoy. Kreigh P.S., If you belong to a Club please share this information with your Club's Newsletter Editor (or announce it at your next meeting) so that everyone in your Club will have an opportunity to participate. Thanks! From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Mar 26 21:27:32 2005 From: tam2819 at cox.net (T.A.Masters) Date: Sat Mar 26 21:27:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) References: Message-ID: <42464444.40203@cox.net> Axel, A little bit of local stuff. We here on the Southern California Coast, have been seeing some Giant Squid washing up on the shore in large numbers. the reason is not yet known. It seems the morning after just such an episode, there are far fewer to be seen. According to the local Life Guards, they are being taken home by locals to prepare Calamari. (sp) I believe one was 20 feet!. They sure do look strange. Terrie Between rain storms. Happy Easter to all who observe. From mineral.maertens at att.net Sun Mar 27 13:55:56 2005 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Mar 27 13:55:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Who issues Rockbuster News? In-Reply-To: <200501080201.j0821iY0029502@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Anyone knows who issues Rockbuster News? Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From cweinber at bcpl.net Sun Mar 27 15:51:51 2005 From: cweinber at bcpl.net (Carolyn Weinberger) Date: Sun Mar 27 15:54:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Who issues Rockbuster News? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <30D7AE44-9F1B-11D9-989F-0005025E4230@bcpl.net> Rockbuster News is the newsletter of the Central Pennsylvania Rock & Mineral Club. Their editor is Maxine Nicholas Carolyn Weinberger EFMLS/ AFMS Editor On Sunday, March 27, 2005, at 04:55 PM, Johan Maertens wrote: > Anyone knows who issues Rockbuster News? > > Johan Maertens > mineral dot maertens at att dot net > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 15:54:43 2005 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Mar 27 15:54:45 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <42464444.40203@cox.net> References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> Message-ID: I enjoy seafood but I would be very reluctant to eat a sea ceature that was already dead when I found it. Maybe it has the giant squid version of mad cow disease. Do giant squid have hard parts, like the beaks on smal squid. If it was big enough it might be fun to try working it on a flat lap. I got a piece of cow horn I'm going to try cutting into guitar picks. They used to make combs from cow horn -- before plastic. (BP?) Grant On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:27:32 -0800, T.A.Masters wrote: > Axel, > A little bit of local stuff. > We here on the Southern California Coast, have been seeing some Giant > Squid washing up on the shore in large numbers. the reason is not yet known. > > It seems the morning after just such an episode, there are far fewer to > be seen. According to the local Life Guards, they are being taken home > by locals to prepare Calamari. (sp) > > I believe one was 20 feet!. They sure do look strange. > > Terrie > Between rain storms. > > Happy Easter to all who observe. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From bg at his.com Sun Mar 27 16:12:24 2005 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sun Mar 27 16:12:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) In-Reply-To: References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> Message-ID: they still make combs from cow horns in france. cathy On Mar 27, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Grant Johnston wrote: > I enjoy seafood but I would be very reluctant to eat a sea ceature > that was already dead when I found it. Maybe it has the giant squid > version of mad cow disease. > > Do giant squid have hard parts, like the beaks on smal squid. If it > was big enough it might be fun to try working it on a flat lap. I got > a piece of cow horn I'm going to try cutting into guitar picks. They > used to make combs from cow horn -- before plastic. (BP?) > > Grant > > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:27:32 -0800, T.A.Masters > wrote: >> Axel, >> A little bit of local stuff. >> We here on the Southern California Coast, have been seeing some Giant >> Squid washing up on the shore in large numbers. the reason is not yet >> known. >> >> It seems the morning after just such an episode, there are far fewer >> to >> be seen. According to the local Life Guards, they are being taken home >> by locals to prepare Calamari. (sp) >> >> I believe one was 20 feet!. They sure do look strange. >> >> Terrie >> Between rain storms. >> >> Happy Easter to all who observe. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From newryqs at rochester.rr.com Sun Mar 27 17:10:48 2005 From: newryqs at rochester.rr.com (Van) Date: Sun Mar 27 17:11:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microscopes and illuminators References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> Message-ID: <001401c53332$fa9494f0$6401a8c0@nathanqa8gl7gx> Please let me know if you would like a good microscope or a fiberoptic illuminator. Have a friend with a good NIKON for "about $800" and a single light guide fiberoptic illuminator for $245 and a double light guide for $350, all in nice condition. There's another good microscope in the same price range, but I don't know the model or price. I'll know more by Thursday when I see him. Let me know off-list if you want to know more. Best Regards, Van From kahako at verizon.net Sun Mar 27 18:56:22 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 27 18:56:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) In-Reply-To: References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050327165354.02640a60@incoming.verizon.net> Ever heard of horn-rimmed spectacles? Maybe only old folks remember that term. Axel would say "spec-rimmed hornacles," no doubt. Aloha, Kitty At 02:12 PM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >they still make combs from cow horns in france. > >cathy > >On Mar 27, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Grant Johnston wrote: > >>I enjoy seafood but I would be very reluctant to eat a sea ceature >>that was already dead when I found it. Maybe it has the giant squid >>version of mad cow disease. >> >>Do giant squid have hard parts, like the beaks on smal squid. If it >>was big enough it might be fun to try working it on a flat lap. I got >>a piece of cow horn I'm going to try cutting into guitar picks. They >>used to make combs from cow horn -- before plastic. (BP?) >> >>Grant From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Mar 27 17:22:44 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Mar 27 19:23:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050327165354.02640a60@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001401c53334$aaa6c7e0$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Hey folks, I just got this on another list. Thought you might be interested. Includes an article by the late Walt Bowser. John Hello All, It's been a while, but we're back in action! I'd like to invite you to visit the current issue of The Eclectic Lapidary. We're going to be publishing monthly again at mid-month from here on. This month's issue is open to all. Starting next month, there will be a two-tier system with part open to all, and part open only to subscribing members. As always, we'll welcome your comments and suggestions. Glad to be back, Carol Carol J. Bova bova@bovagems.com http://www.eclecticlapidary.com From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Mar 27 20:18:57 2005 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Mar 27 20:19:01 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050327165354.02640a60@incoming.verizon.net> References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050327165354.02640a60@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <424785B1.8030300@rcn.com> reminds me of the time a story (TV?) about an octopus... Lived in a tank with top on it... Animals (that he would like to eat) kept disappearing each night, in nearby tanks. Seems Mr. Octopus found a way to really, really, really squeeze up through a tube to get out of his tank and get across (whatever) to the other tank(s) and eat what he wanted and then return to his own tank... GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__..--..__ Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Ever heard of horn-rimmed spectacles? Maybe only old folks remember > that term. Axel would say "spec-rimmed hornacles," no doubt. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 02:12 PM 3/27/2005, you wrote: > >> they still make combs from cow horns in france. >> >> cathy >> >> On Mar 27, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Grant Johnston wrote: >> >>> I enjoy seafood but I would be very reluctant to eat a sea ceature >>> that was already dead when I found it. Maybe it has the giant squid >>> version of mad cow disease. >>> >>> Do giant squid have hard parts, like the beaks on smal squid. If it >>> was big enough it might be fun to try working it on a flat lap. I got >>> a piece of cow horn I'm going to try cutting into guitar picks. They >>> used to make combs from cow horn -- before plastic. (BP?) >>> >>> Grant >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net Sun Mar 27 21:49:08 2005 From: pjmodreski at worldnet.att.net (Peter J. Modreski) Date: Sun Mar 27 21:37:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) References: <42464444.40203@cox.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050327165354.02640a60@incoming.verizon.net> <424785B1.8030300@rcn.com> Message-ID: <004101c53359$dd9a25a0$06a6490c@pete> I was thinking of that same story, too. That was said to be real; it was from a documentary about octopi. Hard to believe, but true! (I almost thought I might have dreamed it, so I'm glad to hear that remember it, too.) Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Olmstead" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Octopi & dinosaur bones -(Off Topic) > reminds me of the time > a story (TV?) about an octopus... > > Lived in a tank with top on it... > > Animals (that he would like to eat) kept disappearing each night, in > nearby tanks. > > Seems Mr. Octopus found a way to really, really, really squeeze up > through a tube to get out of his tank > and get across (whatever) > to the other tank(s) and eat what he wanted > and then return to his own tank... > > GeorgiaO > > From murowchickj at umkc.edu Mon Mar 28 08:24:46 2005 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Mon Mar 28 08:25:09 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: <032520052339.14402.4244A11A000DA7F700003842216028074807059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Pete and Axel- Thanks--my mistake. I was thinking you were rotating it around the viewing axis and didn't consider other rotations. I was still thinking with a thin section mindset. Jim On 3/25/05 5:39 PM, "pjmodreski@att.net" wrote: > Yes, the dichroism should be visible just in ordinary light, if the mineral is > tourmaline. That was a good idea for recognizing the mineral's identity--to > see whether it is tourmaline. Of course, the waterworn stone would have to be > part of a single crystal of tourmaline to show this; if it were a fine-grained > aggregate of tourmaline (which is not very common), the crystals in it would > have all different orientations and the stone would not show any dichroism, > and it would not be very clear to boot. > > In polarized light, you can see the dichroism--if the stone is oriented > perpendicular to the c-axis--by simply rotating the stone around the axis > along which you are viewing it. But in ordinary, non-polarized light, you > would have to physically rotate the stone so you are looking at it from a > different direction--so that you were looking at it first down the c-axis (at > which orientation it would appear deeper-colored), and then look at it > perpendicular to the c-axis (at which it would appear pale-colored). I hope I > could say that so it was understandable! > > Tourmaline (pink tourmline) sounds like a pretty unlikely stone to actually > find in a stream gravel, unless you really knew that you were right downhill > or downstream from one of the gem-bearing pegmatite mines in San Diego County, > CA. But you never know, of course. > > Pete > -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" > : -------------- > > >> Jim, >> >> I don't think so. Rotating my (broken chunk of) green tourmaline brings out >> really clear differences in color intensity. Looking through it along what I >> think is the C-axis renders it so dark green that it becomes almost black. >> The piece is not really much thicker in that direction so that normal >> absorption of light along a longer path can be excluded. It's really >> obvious. >> On the other hand, the pink spodumene variety kunzite would also display >> dichroism be it a little less obvious. I have an elongated spodumene crystal >> that display a VERY obvious dichroism in its fluorescence intensity. >> So if the pink color turns slightly deeper upon rotation, it could also be >> kunzite. >> > >> >> Axel- >> Doesn't the incoming light need to be polarized to see dichroism? (I'm >> not talking about having crossed polarizers as on the polarized light >> microscope, but just plane-polarized light). I suppose if you reflected the >> light off a mirror at low angles, it might be sufficiently polarized to see >> an effect. >> >> Jim >> >> >> Dr. James B. Murowchick >> Associate Professor, Geology >> Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall >> 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 >> 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 >> murowchickj@umkc.edu >> >> >> >> >> On 3/25/05 11:32 AM, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: >> >>> Hi Pete, Grant & Ted >>> >>> here's two cents worth from Belgium (eurocents, so to speak ;-)) >>> >>> I may be wrong but I seem to remember that tourmaline is dichroic, >> strongly >>> enough to be recognized by the naked eye. >>> If the rounded pebble that you found is tourmaline, you should see the >> color >>> deepen and lighten, depending on the orientation when your rotate it in >>> front of a strong light source. I tried it with both the verdelite and >>> rubellite varieties and it seems to work. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Axel >>> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Mar 28 10:33:03 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Mar 28 10:33:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Test #1 of 2 Message-ID: <42484DDF.3010303@tenforward.com> Test #1 of 2 per Aaron's request. Please disregard. Thank you. John From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Mar 28 10:33:39 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Mar 28 10:34:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Test #2 of 2 Message-ID: <42484E03.9090406@tenforward.com> Test #2 of 2 per Aaron's request. Please disregard. Thank you. John From afox at drizzle.com Mon Mar 28 11:17:32 2005 From: afox at drizzle.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Mon Mar 28 11:17:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] [admin] test again, pls. delete Message-ID: My bad, sorry for the interruption. fixing some problems on the drizzle end. a. -- afox at drizzle dot com || http://www.drizzle.com/~afox FATAL ERROR: Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer. Press any key to reboot From barny at mindspring.com Mon Mar 28 18:30:50 2005 From: barny at mindspring.com (Peggy Barnhill) Date: Mon Mar 28 18:26:29 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] gem and jewelry mags Message-ID: <90DB6B69-9FFA-11D9-A9D3-000A95B735BE@mindspring.com> to list members. into downsizing still. have available 141 copies of Jewelry Making Gem and Mineral mags. dating from 1967 -1985 if interested please contact offline. will entertain any and all offers. thanks peggy From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 29 05:36:10 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 29 05:36:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any effect, now that you know? It probably is something like the suggested quartz but, hey, I just got curious... Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Jim Murowchick Verzonden: maandag 28 maart 2005 18:25 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Identify color Pete and Axel- Thanks--my mistake. I was thinking you were rotating it around the viewing axis and didn't consider other rotations. I was still thinking with a thin section mindset. Jim On 3/25/05 5:39 PM, "pjmodreski@att.net" wrote: > Yes, the dichroism should be visible just in ordinary light, if the mineral is > tourmaline. That was a good idea for recognizing the mineral's identity--to > see whether it is tourmaline. Of course, the waterworn stone would have to be > part of a single crystal of tourmaline to show this; if it were a fine-grained > aggregate of tourmaline (which is not very common), the crystals in it would > have all different orientations and the stone would not show any dichroism, > and it would not be very clear to boot. > > In polarized light, you can see the dichroism--if the stone is oriented > perpendicular to the c-axis--by simply rotating the stone around the axis > along which you are viewing it. But in ordinary, non-polarized light, you > would have to physically rotate the stone so you are looking at it from a > different direction--so that you were looking at it first down the c-axis (at > which orientation it would appear deeper-colored), and then look at it > perpendicular to the c-axis (at which it would appear pale-colored). I hope I > could say that so it was understandable! > > Tourmaline (pink tourmline) sounds like a pretty unlikely stone to actually > find in a stream gravel, unless you really knew that you were right downhill > or downstream from one of the gem-bearing pegmatite mines in San Diego County, > CA. But you never know, of course. > > Pete > -------------- Original message from "Axel Emmermann" > : -------------- > > >> Jim, >> >> I don't think so. Rotating my (broken chunk of) green tourmaline brings out >> really clear differences in color intensity. Looking through it along what I >> think is the C-axis renders it so dark green that it becomes almost black. >> The piece is not really much thicker in that direction so that normal >> absorption of light along a longer path can be excluded. It's really >> obvious. >> On the other hand, the pink spodumene variety kunzite would also display >> dichroism be it a little less obvious. I have an elongated spodumene crystal >> that display a VERY obvious dichroism in its fluorescence intensity. >> So if the pink color turns slightly deeper upon rotation, it could also be >> kunzite. >> > >> >> Axel- >> Doesn't the incoming light need to be polarized to see dichroism? (I'm >> not talking about having crossed polarizers as on the polarized light >> microscope, but just plane-polarized light). I suppose if you reflected the >> light off a mirror at low angles, it might be sufficiently polarized to see >> an effect. >> >> Jim >> >> >> Dr. James B. Murowchick >> Associate Professor, Geology >> Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall >> 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 >> 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 >> murowchickj@umkc.edu >> >> >> >> >> On 3/25/05 11:32 AM, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: >> >>> Hi Pete, Grant & Ted >>> >>> here's two cents worth from Belgium (eurocents, so to speak ;-)) >>> >>> I may be wrong but I seem to remember that tourmaline is dichroic, >> strongly >>> enough to be recognized by the naked eye. >>> If the rounded pebble that you found is tourmaline, you should see the >> color >>> deepen and lighten, depending on the orientation when your rotate it in >>> front of a strong light source. I tried it with both the verdelite and >>> rubellite varieties and it seems to work. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Axel >>> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From lightedjewels at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 11:42:28 2005 From: lightedjewels at yahoo.com (Michelle B.) Date: Tue Mar 29 11:42:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! Message-ID: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." I have items you might like listed on iOffer, check it out if you have the time __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pbhewitt at comcast.net Tue Mar 29 11:51:17 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Tue Mar 29 11:51:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! Message-ID: <000501c53498$b1e33ce0$6501a8c0@maingear> I tried to go look at it and it asked me for a login and password. Paul in Marietta On 3/29/2005 2:42:28 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album > where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID > this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really > don't know anything about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle > > http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 > > > "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." > > I have items you might like listed on iOffer, check it out if you have the time > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapadary at aol.com Tue Mar 29 12:35:59 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 12:36:03 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! Message-ID: <1d5.392ccec5.2f7b162f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2005 11:43:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, lightedjewels@yahoo.com writes: O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr .html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 When I used the URL it had a sign-in page. Since I don't know your user name or password my guess is that link doesn't work. Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapadary at aol.com Tue Mar 29 12:45:29 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 12:45:39 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color Message-ID: <157.4da3b588.2f7b1869@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/2005 5:37:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, axel.emmermann@pandora.be writes: Any effect, now that you know? It probably is something like the suggested quartz but, hey, I just got curious... Axel The piece I found near Barstow does not have any dichroism. It is probably chalcedony although the color is different than the pink chalcedony posted at the Barstow rockhound site. Mine looks more like a piece of smokey quartz that turned pink, without losing all the smokey color. I have a jeweler friend who will look at it when I get out to his shop. grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From digem at plateautel.net Tue Mar 29 13:30:31 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Mar 29 13:18:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] bismuth specimens? Message-ID: <4249C8F7.6080606@plateautel.net> Hi Everyone, Can you help me? I am looking to purchase some bismuth specimens (lab grown of course). The source I get them from no longer carries them as the person they purchased them from has passed away. I have contacted a guy in Germany but he is unable to ship any and won't be back until Tucson 2006. Thanks for your help? Please answer me off-list. Allison From digem at plateautel.net Tue Mar 29 14:03:26 2005 From: digem at plateautel.net (Allison & Wayne Holland) Date: Tue Mar 29 13:51:06 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Luis Obispo, California rock dealers and geodes? Message-ID: <4249D0AE.1020504@plateautel.net> An old friend of mine that lives in the San Luis Obispo, California area is looking for some geodes. She's wanting to get them for her two boys who both have birthdays in the first week of April. She wants to get some that would be easy to break open with a hammer. All I have is mostly solid ones that would probably break into a bunch of pieces. Do the hollow ones seem to break with a hammer nicer (not as many pieces) or would solid ones be better for that purpose? Is there any rock dealers/shops in that area that have geodes for sale and/or the ability to cut them open? Thanks. Allison From Rewhittemo at aol.com Tue Mar 29 14:27:01 2005 From: Rewhittemo at aol.com (Rewhittemo@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 14:27:08 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Gray Fossil Site Message-ID: <1e5.38f2e7bc.2f7b3035@aol.com> John, Thanks for posting the information about FFI and the Gray Fossil Site. My mistake for not including you all on my earlier post. Hope things are well with you all and the site. Sincerely, Anne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 15:08:26 2005 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Mar 29 15:08:28 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Luis Obispo, California rock dealers and geodes? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050329230826.55007.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> The ideal geodes would be the ones from Jesup, Iowa. They are mainly calcite, even the "shell", so they can be cut open with a hacksaw. I don't have any, myself, but someone on the list might. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales --- Allison & Wayne Holland wrote: > An old friend of mine that lives in the San Luis > Obispo, California area > is looking for some geodes. She's wanting to get > them for her two boys > who both have birthdays in the first week of April. > She wants to get > some that would be easy to break open with a hammer. > All I have is > mostly solid ones that would probably break into a > bunch of pieces. Do > the hollow ones seem to break with a hammer nicer > (not as many pieces) > or would solid ones be better for that purpose? Is > there any rock > dealers/shops in that area that have geodes for sale > and/or the ability > to cut them open? Thanks. > Allison > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dvoorhees at sisd.net Tue Mar 29 07:20:05 2005 From: dvoorhees at sisd.net (Don Voorhees) Date: Tue Mar 29 15:43:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldstein Fluorspar district symposium guidebook In-Reply-To: <000e01c51132$6b4bbd90$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: Alan, My browser does not give the individual addresses. I would like one of the Western Kentucky Symposium guidebooks. Thank you, Don Voorhees dvoorhees@sisd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:41 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorspar district symposium guidebook I have been reprinting the 2004 IL-KY Fluorspar District Symposium Guidebook on a limited basis. It is $15 for the version with 5 pages of color photos (27 p.) or $13 for the original version with 3 pages of color. The color pix are of rare minerals from the district. I can provide a table of contents list the articles upon request. If you would like a copy, contact me OFF-LIST. Alan Goldstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From rocks4u at prodigy.net Tue Mar 29 16:51:46 2005 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Tue Mar 29 16:56:31 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Luis Obispo, California rock dealers and geodes? References: <4249D0AE.1020504@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <012e01c534c2$a6943e00$8291fea9@WesMedion1918> Check out www.sphereheaven.com who is located in your area. Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison & Wayne Holland" To: "rockhounds" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] San Luis Obispo, California rock dealers and geodes? > An old friend of mine that lives in the San Luis Obispo, California area > is looking for some geodes. She's wanting to get them for her two boys > who both have birthdays in the first week of April. She wants to get > some that would be easy to break open with a hammer. All I have is > mostly solid ones that would probably break into a bunch of pieces. Do > the hollow ones seem to break with a hammer nicer (not as many pieces) > or would solid ones be better for that purpose? Is there any rock > dealers/shops in that area that have geodes for sale and/or the ability > to cut them open? Thanks. > Allison > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jonee at epix.net Tue Mar 29 17:24:57 2005 From: jonee at epix.net (E. L. Jones) Date: Tue Mar 29 17:25:07 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4249FFE9.6010807@epix.net> Hello Michelle The photo dosen't come up in my browser--however owing that it is a "thunder egg" that is pretty much as specific I believe you will be able to get it. If you care to email me a photo directly I'll take a look to see if it has any unusual characteristics If you have the file formated as a .bmp file perhaps you can reload it as a .jpg file at HP. agates can sometimes be named given a specific location or pattern however in the commercial trade a thunderegg is pretty much a thunderegg--although it escapes me now where they are found. Idaho/Utah? anyone give more guidance? Elton Michelle B. wrote: >O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle > >http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 > > > > From diente at prismnet.com Tue Mar 29 17:33:49 2005 From: diente at prismnet.com (diente@prismnet.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 17:33:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] San Luis Obispo, California rock dealers and geodes? In-Reply-To: <4249D0AE.1020504@plateautel.net> Message-ID: <4249AD9D.5474.4C8144@localhost> Better yet, get the hard geodes.....Las Chollas, or coconut geodes. Then go to an equipment rental business and rent a cast iron pipecutter. They'll show her how to use it in all likelihood, and she could probably crack them right there in the store, if she didn't want to take it home. I've done two geode birthday parties for my kids, and I had more fun than they did. Paul Bordovsky Austin, TX > An old friend of mine that lives in the San Luis Obispo, California area > is looking for some geodes. She's wanting to get them for her two boys > who both have birthdays in the first week of April. She wants to get > some that would be easy to break open with a hammer. All I have is > mostly solid ones that would probably break into a bunch of pieces. Do > the hollow ones seem to break with a hammer nicer (not as many pieces) > or would solid ones be better for that purpose? Is there any rock > dealers/shops in that area that have geodes for sale and/or the ability > to cut them open? Thanks. > Allison > From cjkuo at verizon.net Tue Mar 29 18:24:16 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Tue Mar 29 18:25:43 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! References: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4249FFE9.6010807@epix.net> Message-ID: <031601c534cf$93170080$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Owing as the thunderegg is the state rock of Oregon, ... :-) But I'm sure there are other locales. Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. L. Jones" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! > > Hello Michelle > > The photo dosen't come up in my browser--however owing that it is a > "thunder egg" that is pretty much as specific I believe you will be > able to get it. If you care to email me a photo directly I'll take a > look to see if it has any unusual characteristics If > you have the file formated as a .bmp file perhaps you can reload it as > a .jpg file at HP. > > agates can sometimes be named given a specific location or pattern > however in the commercial trade a thunderegg is pretty much a > thunderegg--although it escapes me now where they are found. > Idaho/Utah? anyone give more guidance? > > Elton > > Michelle B. wrote: > > >O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle > > > >http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3 mbr.html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 29 18:51:15 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 29 18:48:05 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! References: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4249FFE9.6010807@epix.net> Message-ID: <424A135F.590@Tomaszewski.net> Michelle, You might check Roger Pabian's website; he has pictures of over 800 named agates, and much more information. http://csd.unl.edu/agates/agatepageintro.asp You can do some fun searches of the database, so you might be able to ID what you have from a known example. Good luck! Kreigh E. L. Jones wrote: > > Hello Michelle > > The photo dosen't come up in my browser--however owing that it is a > "thunder egg" that is pretty much as specific I believe you will be > able to get it. If you care to email me a photo directly I'll take a > look to see if it has any unusual characteristics If > you have the file formated as a .bmp file perhaps you can reload it as > a .jpg file at HP. > > agates can sometimes be named given a specific location or pattern > however in the commercial trade a thunderegg is pretty much a > thunderegg--although it escapes me now where they are found. > Idaho/Utah? anyone give more guidance? > > Elton > > Michelle B. wrote: > > >O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle > > > >http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Mar 29 19:18:18 2005 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Mar 29 19:18:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! References: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4249FFE9.6010807@epix.net> Message-ID: <003a01c534d7$1e80d5e0$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Michelle, If you would send the link from HpPhoto to your own email address, then copy that guest link they sent, into a post to the list, it will work. It won't work to send the link directly to the list from HpPhoto.com. Been there, done that. Jeanette From Bozo5 at aol.com Tue Mar 29 20:51:37 2005 From: Bozo5 at aol.com (Bozo5@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 29 20:51:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! Message-ID: You might try Tim Fisher's website _http://orerockon.com/rockhome.htm_ (http://orerockon.com/rockhome.htm) On his lapidary materials for sale page there are links to many pictures of thundereggs. The eggs from different sites have different colors and patterns. >I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything about it other than it is >agate. Thank you, Michelle --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Mar 30 08:59:16 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:59:21 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330085843.02744ae0@mail.spiritone.com> Just send me the jpg. I will know, I have thundereggs from around 100 sites in my collection... At 11:42 AM 3/29/2005, you wrote: >O.K. I am going to try and place a link here to go to my HP Photo Album >where I placed this picture. I was wondering if anyone could positively ID >this stone for me. I think its a thunderegg but really don't know anything >about it other than it is agate. Thank you, Michelle > >http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/com.hp.HPLargeView?com=usUtil&awp=largeview3mbr.html&pict_id=54644746&index=0&album_id=4904411 > > >"Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." > >href="I'>http://www.ioffer.com/viewProfile.do?tab=SELLING&userID=eclecticisme&ref=true">I >have items you might like listed on iOffer, check it out if you have the >time > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com CD of OR, WA, & ID rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers Fossils & Other Stuff: http://OreRockOn.com/for_sale Rockhound's Bookstore: http://OreRockOn.com/rock_bookstore From tim at orerockon.com Wed Mar 30 09:03:19 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Mar 30 09:03:20 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330085843.02744ae0@mail.spiritone.com> References: <20050329194228.39819.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050330085843.02744ae0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330090237.02738ff0@mail.spiritone.com> Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Mar 30 09:40:30 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 30 09:40:32 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330090237.02738ff0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: >Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) Petrified! It is now coffinite. From dri.anna at verizon.net Wed Mar 30 13:06:06 2005 From: dri.anna at verizon.net (Dri-Anna) Date: Wed Mar 30 13:05:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes Message-ID: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> Hi All: I do not post very often to the List. More often than not I find myself completely absorbed with the information from y'all who have been Rockhounding for a very long time. In other words, my companion and I begin seriously pursuing our Rockhound Hobby just shy of three years ago. Now for my question and hopefully some answers that will help me understand the difference between Vugs and Geodes and a disagreement I have of a caption for a photograph on the Washington Mineral Council regarding some finds at their Quarry in Walker Valley, WA. The following URL from my website contains the photograph and my comments: http://www.twospirit.net/WalkerValleyWAspecimens.htm I look forward to your replies. Dri-Anna Davis WA - USA http://www.twospirit.net/ http://www.twospirit.net/MyHobbyAfricanVioletCollectionP1.htm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Wed Mar 30 13:28:22 2005 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Wed Mar 30 13:28:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes In-Reply-To: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> References: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> Message-ID: <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> a vug is a cavity in a much larger rock. there may or may not be a rind around the vug that is a different material than the surrounding rock. It does not necessarily have a coating on the inside of the rind if there is one. a geode is usually, but not always, a more-or-less spherical, sometimes symmetrical, rock that has a cavity that is nearly as large as the rock itself. Usually a geode has a rind that does not have the same composition as the rock it came out of. A geode usually does have a coating on the inside of the rind. This coating may be a different material than the rind. so, in one sense, a geode is a vug that can be completely removed intact from the original rock/matrix and that has a rind and some type of coating on the inner side of the rind. think of a watermelon that has a small pocket of air inside it - that's a vug. think of an orange that has all the fruit removed so that just the rind remains - that's a geode. Dri-Anna wrote: >Hi All: >I do not post very often to the List. More often than not I find myself completely absorbed with the information from y'all who have been Rockhounding for a very long time. > >In other words, my companion and I begin seriously pursuing our Rockhound Hobby just shy of three years ago. > >Now for my question and hopefully some answers that will help me understand the difference between Vugs and Geodes and a disagreement I have of a caption for a photograph on the Washington Mineral Council regarding some finds at their Quarry in Walker Valley, WA. > >The following URL from my website contains the photograph and my comments: > >http://www.twospirit.net/WalkerValleyWAspecimens.htm > >I look forward to your replies. > >Dri-Anna Davis >WA - USA >http://www.twospirit.net/ >http://www.twospirit.net/MyHobbyAfricanVioletCollectionP1.htm > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From tim at orerockon.com Wed Mar 30 17:58:48 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Mar 30 17:58:48 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes In-Reply-To: <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> References: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330175611.02901188@mail.spiritone.com> I agree, and the photo appears to be of a quartz or apophyllite crystal lined vug, not a geode. Wish I could take a week off to work Walker Valley lol :) At 01:28 PM 3/30/2005, you wrote: >a vug is a cavity in a much larger rock. there may or may not be a rind >around the vug that is a different material than the surrounding rock. It >does not necessarily have a coating on the inside of the rind if there is one. > >a geode is usually, but not always, a more-or-less spherical, sometimes >symmetrical, rock that has a cavity that is nearly as large as the rock >itself. Usually a geode has a rind that does not have the same >composition as the rock it came out of. A geode usually does have a >coating on the inside of the rind. This coating may be a different >material than the rind. > >so, in one sense, a geode is a vug that can be completely removed intact >from the original rock/matrix and that has a rind and some type of coating >on the inner side of the rind. > >think of a watermelon that has a small pocket of air inside it - that's a vug. > >think of an orange that has all the fruit removed so that just the rind >remains - that's a geode. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 30 18:33:14 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 30 18:26:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! References: Message-ID: <424B5FDE.34D0@Tomaszewski.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) > > Petrified! It is now coffinite. I think that the accepted name is coffeeite. Usually described as stone cold so it is not confused with coffeelite. From lightedjewels at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 19:08:58 2005 From: lightedjewels at yahoo.com (Michelle B.) Date: Wed Mar 30 19:09:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock ID Message-ID: <20050331030858.63897.qmail@web31111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you all for your responses! I will attempt sending the pictures to my own email next time! In the mean time I have sent out pictures to some members emails and it turns out I don't get out much and it is just a simple agate nodule. I will attempt a picture later to see if anyone knows where I can find more of it! Thanks again, Michelle "Time is what keeps everything from happening at once." I have items you might like listed on iOffer, check it out if you have the time --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jmonroe at sisna.com Wed Mar 30 20:31:50 2005 From: jmonroe at sisna.com (Jed and Abby) Date: Wed Mar 30 20:31:44 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Converting Slab Saw from Auto Feed to Pully System Message-ID: <002301c535aa$8fd52470$ba0dbed8@jedscl07h66gyy> Hello everyone, I have an Ideal 24" slab saw that has an automatic feed system on it. In other words, as the rock encounters the blade, there is a mechanism that turns and slows down the feed of the saw. Problem is, it doesn't work very well. I've never converted a saw before but thought I would give it a try, and then sell the saw. It isn't much use to anyone like it is. Can anyone tell me where I might look at some plans, or can someone tell me what I would have to do to convert the saw? I'm sorta, kinda mechanical if I have to be. It might take me a while, but what else can I do with it? Any help would be appreciated. Jed Allsop --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com Wed Mar 30 20:55:31 2005 From: scottkleine at greatbasinminerals.com (Scott Kleine, Great Basin Minerals) Date: Wed Mar 30 20:50:46 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Getchell mine Getchellite References: <410-22005301323847707@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02d901c535ad$e10c4820$3d104ed1@gbm> Hello All, I am happy to announce that I have posted the first 30 specimens of Getchell mine Getchellite on my web site. Please view them at- http://www.greatbasinminerals.com/Getchell%20Mine%20Getchellite%20Page.htm All the best! Scott Kleine- Great Basin Minerals www.greatbasinminerals.com scottkleine@greatbasinminerals.com From kahako at verizon.net Wed Mar 30 21:03:35 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 30 21:03:38 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <424B5FDE.34D0@Tomaszewski.net> References: <424B5FDE.34D0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050330185943.02655530@incoming.verizon.net> I think Axel and Kreigh should have a "Laugh Off" contest to see who is the most funny. Aloha, Kitty >Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) > > Petrified! It is now coffinite. > >I think that the accepted name is coffeeite. Usually described as stone >cold so it is not confused with coffeelite. From cjkuo at verizon.net Wed Mar 30 22:13:42 2005 From: cjkuo at verizon.net (Jimmy Kuo) Date: Wed Mar 30 22:15:14 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! References: <424B5FDE.34D0@Tomaszewski.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050330185943.02655530@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <03ad01c535b8$ca491950$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> I thought coffinite would be a pretty good name for a rock, and should be reserved for something of a deep, dark color to be found majorly 6 feet underground. Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! > I think Axel and Kreigh should have a "Laugh Off" contest to see who is the > most funny. > > Aloha, Kitty > > >Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > >Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) > > > Petrified! It is now coffinite. > > > >I think that the accepted name is coffeeite. Usually described as stone > >cold so it is not confused with coffeelite. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Thu Mar 31 07:25:19 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Mar 31 07:25:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toothbrushes and razors Message-ID: <1112282719.424c165f4bbdc@my6.dal.ca> Hi All, It seems that the big new trend in bathroom tools is to make them spin and vibrate. Razors that pulse, toothbrushes that spin, and last night I saw an ad for a toothbrush that vibrates at high speeds. I have thought that there might be possibilities here for mineral cleaning. I don't have access to an ultrasonic cleaner and probably won't for some time because of the high price. I have thought that these bathroom items might be a inexpensive alternative, even if they don't have a lot of power. I'm thinking of putting the specimen to be cleaned upsidedown in some water and sticking a toothbrush head into the water or resting it on the specimen to make it vibrate (maybe the vibrate feature on an obsolete cell-phone would work too), as a way to get at mud in deep down between crystals. Has anyone else tried this? Would they just be too weak to be useful? Thanks in adavance, Ronnie Van Dommelen From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Thu Mar 31 07:38:36 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Mar 31 07:38:40 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cavansite Message-ID: <1112283516.424c197cd2f37@my6.dal.ca> Hi All, Within the last years or so, I have noticed a large increase in the amount of cavansite for sale on many dealers' websites. Does anyone know the state of the Wagholi Quarry? Can we expect considerably more cavansite in the future? Ronnie Van Dommelen From r.elske at verizon.net Thu Mar 31 08:14:48 2005 From: r.elske at verizon.net (Robynne) Date: Thu Mar 31 08:14:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 10, Issue 34 References: <200503310200.j2V20Pjp022588@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <012f01c5360c$c35df7b0$6501a8c0@eris> Hi all, My take on this is: 1. Thunder Egg: A volcanic projectile that has cooled fast so that it forms solid quartz mass inside. Because of differential cooling it forms a "rind" around the quartz-agatized (?)-material inside. 2. Geode: A volcanic projectile that has cooled more slowly than the thunder egg and has an air pocket inside. The resultant differential cooling allows the growth of crystals inside the air pocket. The outside rind cools quickest, then a material similar to the thunder egg is formed but the cooling is slow enough to form crystals inside the air pocket. 3. Vug: Lava flowing form a volcano forms air pockets. It could be just air (superheated) or water (again superheated) that forms the air pocket. Due to the differential cooling caused by the air pocket crystals grow from the surrounding material and a thin rind is formed from the same material. Usually the rind material is still super hot forming a glass material. Since the lava is basalt the rind is a very dark glass. I don't know if one can call it obsidian, however, if it is not it is very similar. 4. Just as a side note, crystal or agate formed from the above processes can contain other elements (metals mostly) that change the composition of the SiO4. A color change then takes place that can change the properties of the quartz to form other genre of mineral. At the Walker Valley site I have taken "pieces" of what I would term vug material similar to what is shown in the photo on the WSMC site in excess of 6 inches in length and 4 inches in width. That's a big air pocket, but I bet there are bigger ones there. BTW: The "companion" Dri referred to is I, Robynne Elske, Rank Amateur, but I read a lot! "A slave is one who waits for someone to come and free him" ~ Ezra Pound [If you're happy and know it, clank your chains!] ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:06:06 -0800 > From: "Dri-Anna" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes > To: "Rockhounds" > Message-ID: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi All: > I do not post very often to the List. More often than not I find myself > completely absorbed with the information from y'all who have been > Rockhounding for a very long time. > > In other words, my companion and I begin seriously pursuing our Rockhound > Hobby just shy of three years ago. > > Now for my question and hopefully some answers that will help me > understand the difference between Vugs and Geodes and a disagreement I > have of a caption for a photograph on the Washington Mineral Council > regarding some finds at their Quarry in Walker Valley, WA. > > The following URL from my website contains the photograph and my comments: > > http://www.twospirit.net/WalkerValleyWAspecimens.htm > > I look forward to your replies. > > Dri-Anna Davis > WA - USA > http://www.twospirit.net/ > http://www.twospirit.net/MyHobbyAfricanVioletCollectionP1.htm > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:28:22 -0700 > From: Richard Trapp > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > a vug is a cavity in a much larger rock. there may or may not be a rind > around the vug that is a different material than the surrounding rock. > It does not necessarily have a coating on the inside of the rind if > there is one. > > a geode is usually, but not always, a more-or-less spherical, sometimes > symmetrical, rock that has a cavity that is nearly as large as the rock > itself. Usually a geode has a rind that does not have the same > composition as the rock it came out of. A geode usually does have a > coating on the inside of the rind. This coating may be a different > material than the rind. > > so, in one sense, a geode is a vug that can be completely removed intact > from the original rock/matrix and that has a rind and some type of > coating on the inner side of the rind. > > think of a watermelon that has a small pocket of air inside it - that's > a vug. > > think of an orange that has all the fruit removed so that just the rind > remains - that's a geode. > Rick Trapp > Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:58:48 -0800 > From: Tim Fisher > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330175611.02901188@mail.spiritone.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I agree, and the photo appears to be of a quartz or apophyllite crystal > lined vug, not a geode. Wish I could take a week off to work Walker Valley > lol :) > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Thu Mar 31 08:33:57 2005 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Thu Mar 31 08:33:56 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toothbrushes and razors In-Reply-To: <1112282719.424c165f4bbdc@my6.dal.ca> References: <1112282719.424c165f4bbdc@my6.dal.ca> Message-ID: <424C2675.2070007@azgs.az.gov> A couple of years ago, I purchased a washing tool from a friend of mine, Ivan Pojarevski, Bulgarian Gems and Minerals. You can see it at www.bggems.com It's got an ultrasonic generator inside of a ball that resembles a very heavy duty toilet float ball. You can just put it in any liquid, including acids according to Ivan, and it floats on the liquid and produces ultrasound. It was highly recommended by a guy who used it for cleaning that hard white clay-stuff off tourmaline crystals. Unfortunately, right after that we moved and it's been sitting on a shelf ever since. I just rediscovered it a couple of weeks ago, so I'm going to give it a spin this weekend if possible on some geodes that have some clay stuff inside but also some delicate millerite? crystals. I'll let you know how it works. Only about 50 bucks. Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: >Hi All, > >It seems that the big new trend in bathroom tools is to make them spin and >vibrate. Razors that pulse, toothbrushes that spin, and last night I saw an ad >for a toothbrush that vibrates at high speeds. I have thought that there might >be possibilities here for mineral cleaning. I don't have access to an >ultrasonic cleaner and probably won't for some time because of the high price. >I have thought that these bathroom items might be a inexpensive alternative, >even if they don't have a lot of power. I'm thinking of putting the specimen >to be cleaned upsidedown in some water and sticking a toothbrush head into the >water or resting it on the specimen to make it vibrate (maybe the vibrate >feature on an obsolete cell-phone would work too), as a way to get at mud in >deep down between crystals. Has anyone else tried this? Would they just be >too weak to be useful? > >Thanks in adavance, >Ronnie Van Dommelen > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From agesilaus at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 08:44:08 2005 From: agesilaus at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 31 08:44:10 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toothbrushes and razors In-Reply-To: <424C2675.2070007@azgs.az.gov> References: <1112282719.424c165f4bbdc@my6.dal.ca> <424C2675.2070007@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: Ultrasonic cleaners don't work by vibrating the item to be cleaned, they cause microscopic bubbles to form and collapse. These bubbles are the cleaning agent. When they collapse they generate very high pressures and surprisingly high temperatures. The temperatures can be thousands of degrees but very localized of course. Bryan On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:33:57 -0700, Richard Trapp wrote: > A couple of years ago, I purchased a washing tool from a friend of mine, > Ivan Pojarevski, Bulgarian Gems and Minerals. You can see it at > www.bggems.com > > It's got an ultrasonic generator inside of a ball that resembles a very > heavy duty toilet float ball. You can just put it in any liquid, > including acids according to Ivan, and it floats on the liquid and > produces ultrasound. > > It was highly recommended by a guy who used it for cleaning that hard > white clay-stuff off tourmaline crystals. Unfortunately, right after > that we moved and it's been sitting on a shelf ever since. I just > rediscovered it a couple of weeks ago, so I'm going to give it a spin > this weekend if possible on some geodes that have some clay stuff inside > but also some delicate millerite? crystals. I'll let you know how it > works. Only about 50 bucks. > > > Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >It seems that the big new trend in bathroom tools is to make them spin and > >vibrate. Razors that pulse, toothbrushes that spin, and last night I saw an ad > >for a toothbrush that vibrates at high speeds. I have thought that there might > >be possibilities here for mineral cleaning. I don't have access to an > >ultrasonic cleaner and probably won't for some time because of the high price. > >I have thought that these bathroom items might be a inexpensive alternative, > >even if they don't have a lot of power. I'm thinking of putting the specimen > >to be cleaned upsidedown in some water and sticking a toothbrush head into the > >water or resting it on the specimen to make it vibrate (maybe the vibrate > >feature on an obsolete cell-phone would work too), as a way to get at mud in > >deep down between crystals. Has anyone else tried this? Would they just be > >too weak to be useful? > > > >Thanks in adavance, > >Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Trapp > Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From pbhewitt at comcast.net Thu Mar 31 09:05:43 2005 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul Hewitt) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:05:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine References: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <000901c53613$e023d390$6501a8c0@maingear> I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for awhile. What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it and for how long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional oven or do you need something like a ceramic kiln? Paul in Marietta From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Thu Mar 31 09:22:50 2005 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:24:50 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Check this out... Message-ID: <424C31EA.3010906@tenforward.com> Hi All, I was cruising this morning and came across this website listing tons of magazines and journals which have back issues online and free for the reading. They have Rocks & Minerals, the Mineralogical Record, the Journal of Paleontology and lots and lots more. Check it out! All the very best, John http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/tn_ref From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 31 09:30:39 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:30:53 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Converting Slab Saw from Auto Feed to Pully System In-Reply-To: <002301c535aa$8fd52470$ba0dbed8@jedscl07h66gyy> References: <002301c535aa$8fd52470$ba0dbed8@jedscl07h66gyy> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050331092204.02611690@mail.spiritone.com> Is it a hydraulic feed? Covington saw? If so it is the best feed mechanism that exists for a rock saw; if I were you I'd get it working correctly rather than reverting to a more primitive and IMHO more problematic feed mechanism. I have been jonesing for a Covington 24 or 30" saw with the hydraulic feed ever since I saw one in action...also the DP TR24 and TR36 have hydraulic feeds... At 08:31 PM 3/30/2005, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I have an Ideal 24" slab saw that has an automatic feed system on it. In >other words, as the rock encounters the blade, there is a mechanism that >turns and slows down the feed of the saw. Problem is, it doesn't work >very well. I've never converted a saw before but thought I would give it >a try, and then sell the saw. It isn't much use to anyone like it >is. Can anyone tell me where I might look at some plans, or can someone >tell me what I would have to do to convert the saw? I'm sorta, kinda >mechanical if I have to be. It might take me a while, but what else can I >do with it? Any help would be appreciated. > > >Jed Allsop Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 31 09:33:04 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:33:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050330185943.02655530@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: Coffeelite??? That 's as tasteless as colalite... (no sugar, no caffeine, no taste...but a hell of a coughing syrup ;-))) A "Laugh Off" contest??? Is that the event where Kreigh and I stand in a dusty street of some sun-baked desert town and one of us gargles in a low voice "draw, stranger!"... then we take pencil and paper and start drawing???? I have to go take my pill now (ROFL) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox Verzonden: donderdag 31 maart 2005 7:04 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! I think Axel and Kreigh should have a "Laugh Off" contest to see who is the most funny. Aloha, Kitty >Axel Emmermann wrote: > > >Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) > > Petrified! It is now coffinite. > >I think that the accepted name is coffeeite. Usually described as stone >cold so it is not confused with coffeelite. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 31 09:34:48 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:34:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunderegg definition Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050331093422.026253e0@mail.spiritone.com> Just a comment: #1 is incorrect. See Paul Colburn's excellent material on thunderegg formation at http://www.zianet.com/geodekid/whatarel.htm : Commonly known as thundereggs, lithophysae (Latin for "rock bubbles") originate as spheroids drawn from the rhyolite into the immiscible components of co-eruptive rhyolite-perlite lava flows and domes. Portions of rhyolite are pulled by turbulence or buoyancy from the parent rhyolite into the perlite, forming spheres which, as temperatures drop to a critical point, crystallize, driving dissolved gases out of solution. Over many millions of years, the hollow lithophysae fill with silica-laden water through fill-tubes in their surfaces, silicifying their rhyolite shells, and decomposing the perlite surrounding them. At 08:14 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: >Hi all, > >My take on this is: > >1. Thunder Egg: A volcanic projectile that has cooled fast so that it >forms solid quartz mass inside. Because of differential cooling it forms a >"rind" around the quartz-agatized (?)-material inside. > > > >2. Geode: A volcanic projectile that has cooled more slowly than the >thunder egg and has an air pocket inside. The resultant differential >cooling allows the growth of crystals inside the air pocket. The outside >rind cools quickest, then a material similar to the thunder egg is formed >but the cooling is slow enough to form crystals inside the air pocket. > > > >3. Vug: Lava flowing form a volcano forms air pockets. It could be just >air (superheated) or water (again superheated) that forms the air pocket. >Due to the differential cooling caused by the air pocket crystals grow >from the surrounding material and a thin rind is formed from the same >material. Usually the rind material is still super hot forming a glass >material. Since the lava is basalt the rind is a very dark glass. I don't >know if one can call it obsidian, however, if it is not it is very similar. > > > >4. Just as a side note, crystal or agate formed from the above processes >can contain other elements (metals mostly) that change the composition of >the SiO4. A color change then takes place that can change the properties >of the quartz to form other genre of mineral. > > > >At the Walker Valley site I have taken "pieces" of what I would term vug >material similar to what is shown in the photo on the WSMC site in excess >of 6 inches in length and 4 inches in width. That's a big air pocket, but >I bet there are bigger ones there. > > > >BTW: The "companion" Dri referred to is I, > >Robynne Elske, Rank Amateur, but I read a lot! > > >"A slave is one who waits for someone to come and free him" >~ Ezra Pound >[If you're happy and know it, clank your chains!] Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 31 09:46:21 2005 From: mick at mineralist.demon.co.uk (Mick Cooper) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:46:25 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cavansite References: <1112283516.424c197cd2f37@my6.dal.ca> Message-ID: <001801c53619$8dfd7ed0$78f1edc1@mpc1> > Within the last years or so, I have noticed a large increase in the amount > of > cavansite for sale on many dealers' websites. Does anyone know the state > of > the Wagholi Quarry? Can we expect considerably more cavansite in the > future? Not sure of the status of the quarry, but there's lots of stuff on the market, and better and cheaper than last year. Best I saw recently was on a matrix of levyne - a very interesting combination. There's also a new locality for cavansite from another site. I've seen specimens - not as good as Wagholi as yet, say aggregates to 1cm, but not as well crystallized. Looks very promising. But things can just stop... Mick From DOMMELEN at DAL.CA Thu Mar 31 09:48:49 2005 From: DOMMELEN at DAL.CA (Ronnie Van Dommelen) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:48:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toothbrushes and razors In-Reply-To: References: <1112282719.424c165f4bbdc@my6.dal.ca> <424C2675.2070007@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <1112291329.424c38017688d@my2.dal.ca> Bryan, Thanks for this info. I have read before about ultrasonic collapsing bubbles, but didn't connect it to how the cleaners worked. I guess I will have to keep saving for the proper equipment! Ronnie Quoting J Bryan Kramer : > Ultrasonic cleaners don't work by vibrating the item to be cleaned, > they cause microscopic bubbles to form and collapse. These bubbles are > the cleaning agent. When they collapse they generate very high > pressures and surprisingly high temperatures. The temperatures can be > thousands of degrees but very localized of course. > > Bryan > > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:33:57 -0700, Richard Trapp > wrote: > > A couple of years ago, I purchased a washing tool from a friend of mine, > > Ivan Pojarevski, Bulgarian Gems and Minerals. You can see it at > > www.bggems.com > > > > It's got an ultrasonic generator inside of a ball that resembles a very > > heavy duty toilet float ball. You can just put it in any liquid, > > including acids according to Ivan, and it floats on the liquid and > > produces ultrasound. > > > > It was highly recommended by a guy who used it for cleaning that hard > > white clay-stuff off tourmaline crystals. Unfortunately, right after > > that we moved and it's been sitting on a shelf ever since. I just > > rediscovered it a couple of weeks ago, so I'm going to give it a spin > > this weekend if possible on some geodes that have some clay stuff inside > > but also some delicate millerite? crystals. I'll let you know how it > > works. Only about 50 bucks. > > > > > > Ronnie Van Dommelen wrote: > > > > >Hi All, > > > > > >It seems that the big new trend in bathroom tools is to make them spin and > > >vibrate. Razors that pulse, toothbrushes that spin, and last night I saw > an ad > > >for a toothbrush that vibrates at high speeds. I have thought that there > might > > >be possibilities here for mineral cleaning. I don't have access to an > > >ultrasonic cleaner and probably won't for some time because of the high > price. > > >I have thought that these bathroom items might be a inexpensive > alternative, > > >even if they don't have a lot of power. I'm thinking of putting the > specimen > > >to be cleaned upsidedown in some water and sticking a toothbrush head into > the > > >water or resting it on the specimen to make it vibrate (maybe the vibrate > > >feature on an obsolete cell-phone would work too), as a way to get at mud > in > > >deep down between crystals. Has anyone else tried this? Would they just > be > > >too weak to be useful? > > > > > >Thanks in adavance, > > >Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rick Trapp > > Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey > > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Thu Mar 31 09:54:21 2005 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:52:23 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine In-Reply-To: <000901c53613$e023d390$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Try to locate the remnants (or perhaps the whole thing, I have not seen it myself) of the late Mark Liccini's web site, which was I believe www.liccini.com. Mark had quite comprehensive information on the temperatures and durations of a whole variety of heat treatments. My understanding is that the site can still be accessed, either through a web archiving service, or by virtue of the site's having been taken over and carried on by someone else. The caveat is this is what I've been told. I've not gone looking for it myself; my information may no longer be accurate, and if it is, it may take some research by someone more net savvy than myself to find the it. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada www.virtualfundy.com ================ On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 01:05 PM, Paul Hewitt wrote: > I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for > awhile. What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it > and for how long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional > oven or do you need something like a ceramic kiln? > > Paul in Marietta > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From kahako at verizon.net Thu Mar 31 09:56:51 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Mar 31 09:56:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Vugs and/or Geodes WAS Rockhounds Digest, Vol 10, Issue 34 In-Reply-To: <012f01c5360c$c35df7b0$6501a8c0@eris> References: <200503310200.j2V20Pjp022588@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <012f01c5360c$c35df7b0$6501a8c0@eris> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331074853.02637720@incoming.verizon.net> Hi Robynne, Welcome to posting on the list. Your response seems good to me. But please change the title in the subject line. "Digest, Vol 10, Issue 34" means nothing to those of us not on the Digest format. Aloha, Kitty At 06:14 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: >Hi all, > >My take on this is: > >1. Thunder Egg: A volcanic projectile that has cooled fast so that it >forms solid quartz mass inside. Because of differential cooling it forms a >"rind" around the quartz-agatized (?)-material inside. > > > >2. Geode: A volcanic projectile that has cooled more slowly than the >thunder egg and has an air pocket inside. The resultant differential >cooling allows the growth of crystals inside the air pocket. The outside >rind cools quickest, then a material similar to the thunder egg is formed >but the cooling is slow enough to form crystals inside the air pocket. > > > >3. Vug: Lava flowing form a volcano forms air pockets. It could be just >air (superheated) or water (again superheated) that forms the air pocket. >Due to the differential cooling caused by the air pocket crystals grow >from the surrounding material and a thin rind is formed from the same >material. Usually the rind material is still super hot forming a glass >material. Since the lava is basalt the rind is a very dark glass. I don't >know if one can call it obsidian, however, if it is not it is very similar. > > > >4. Just as a side note, crystal or agate formed from the above processes >can contain other elements (metals mostly) that change the composition of >the SiO4. A color change then takes place that can change the properties >of the quartz to form other genre of mineral. > > > >At the Walker Valley site I have taken "pieces" of what I would term vug >material similar to what is shown in the photo on the WSMC site in excess >of 6 inches in length and 4 inches in width. That's a big air pocket, but >I bet there are bigger ones there. > > > >BTW: The "companion" Dri referred to is I, > >Robynne Elske, Rank Amateur, but I read a lot! > > >"A slave is one who waits for someone to come and free him" >~ Ezra Pound >[If you're happy and know it, clank your chains!] > > >----- Original Message ----- > >>Message: 8 >>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:06:06 -0800 >>From: "Dri-Anna" >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes >>To: "Rockhounds" >>Message-ID: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> >>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" >> >>Hi All: >>I do not post very often to the List. More often than not I find myself >>completely absorbed with the information from y'all who have been >>Rockhounding for a very long time. >> >>In other words, my companion and I begin seriously pursuing our Rockhound >>Hobby just shy of three years ago. >> >>Now for my question and hopefully some answers that will help me >>understand the difference between Vugs and Geodes and a disagreement I >>have of a caption for a photograph on the Washington Mineral Council >>regarding some finds at their Quarry in Walker Valley, WA. >> >>The following URL from my website contains the photograph and my comments: >> >>http://www.twospirit.net/WalkerValleyWAspecimens.htm >> >>I look forward to your replies. >> >>Dri-Anna Davis >>WA - USA >>http://www.twospirit.net/ >>http://www.twospirit.net/MyHobbyAfricanVioletCollectionP1.htm >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 9 >>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:28:22 -0700 >>From: Richard Trapp >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>Message-ID: <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>a vug is a cavity in a much larger rock. there may or may not be a rind >>around the vug that is a different material than the surrounding rock. >>It does not necessarily have a coating on the inside of the rind if >>there is one. >> >>a geode is usually, but not always, a more-or-less spherical, sometimes >>symmetrical, rock that has a cavity that is nearly as large as the rock >>itself. Usually a geode has a rind that does not have the same >>composition as the rock it came out of. A geode usually does have a >>coating on the inside of the rind. This coating may be a different >>material than the rind. >> >>so, in one sense, a geode is a vug that can be completely removed intact >>from the original rock/matrix and that has a rind and some type of >>coating on the inner side of the rind. >> >>think of a watermelon that has a small pocket of air inside it - that's >>a vug. >> >>think of an orange that has all the fruit removed so that just the rind >>remains - that's a geode. >>Rick Trapp >>Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey >>rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov >>Message: 10 >>Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:58:48 -0800 >>From: Tim Fisher >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Vugs and/or Geodes >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050330175611.02901188@mail.spiritone.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >>I agree, and the photo appears to be of a quartz or apophyllite crystal >>lined vug, not a geode. Wish I could take a week off to work Walker Valley >>lol :) >>Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >>Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bova at bovagems.com Fri Mar 25 16:14:49 2005 From: bova at bovagems.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:13:12 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identify color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <110E009C-9D8C-11D9-B870-000A95773806@bovagems.com> The rock that got me hooked on all this was a piece of translucent pink chalcedony, found on the side of the road outside of Barstow. That would be my first guess. *s* Carol On Friday, March 25, 2005, at 12:32 AM, Grant Johnston wrote: > I found a pink, translucent rock in river gravel along the Colorado > River, near Needles, CA. It is the size of an olive. Because of > weathering I can't tell if there was ever any crystal shape. Does any > body know of pink translucent stones from the area? A couple people > guessed rose quartz but I've seen a lot of rose quartz and I don't > think this is rose quartz. It has some opaque gray-white matrix > attached, as if it weathered out of a host rock. > > Grant > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:44:44 +0200, Willie Steyn > wrote: >> Hi All >> I have obtained a pink colored topaz from the Spitzkoppe in Namibia. >> In all >> my years travelling and collecting in the area it is the first pink >> colored >> one I have seen. >> Could someone on the list tell me what could have caused the pink >> color. It >> is almost a bright pink but still water clear and it is definetely a >> topaz. >> Would appreciate the help. >> Willem jnr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Chmnyrck at aol.com Fri Mar 25 19:45:43 2005 From: Chmnyrck at aol.com (Chmnyrck@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:13:15 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: ROCK POW WOW/MADRAS Message-ID: <1c4.24ea2eec.2f7634e7@aol.com> HI, IT HAS BEEN VERY HARD TO GET ANY INFORMATION ON THE MADRAS POW. I AM HOPING YOU CAN HELP. WHERE, WHEN, RV CAMPING? ALL THE FIELD TRIPS AND FUN THINGS THAT WILL GO ON. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AND WANT TO GO THIS YEAR. APPRECIATE ANY INFORMATION. THANK YOU. GAIL O'DELL 9170 E. ANTELOPE RD. EAGLE POINT, OR. 97524 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From quawsar at telus.net Sun Mar 27 12:15:23 2005 From: quawsar at telus.net (Dexter Quaw) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:13:17 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava rock Message-ID: <20050327201523.OYNG29599.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@B425632B1B4B4FF> Good day. Should you choose to go to Quesnel, you can find lava rock near there. Also if you wish the Indians in New Ayansh sell Lava rock. Not sure of the spelling but it is north of Terrace. Also I've heard there is an outcropping near Chillawack, not sure of the location. If you wish to go to the USA, you can find the stuff on/near Mount Baker and last of all, Mt Helen. Dex. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/gif --- From bg at his.com Sun Mar 27 13:07:36 2005 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:13:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pearl exhibit in dc Message-ID: <2a70712fde245492cc50d810d4710147@his.com> There is a great new pearl exhibit at the Smithsonian in the same room as the Hope Diamond at the Museum of Natural History. The Allure of Pearls features Elizabeth Taylor's La Peregrina necklace, the 76 mm Pearl of Asia, the 114 mm Hope Pearl, the black Drexel pearl, the exquisite near-perfect round Paspaley Pearl from Australian waters, 2 sets of rare pink conch pearls, the Black Beauty Pearl with incredible orient and several other notable pearls. The exhibit is open until September 5, 2005. If you take advantage of this rare opportunity to see these amazing pearls, be sure to pick up the brochure which tells some of the history of each pearl. From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 10:13:59 2005 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:14:02 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geodes vrs. Vugs vrs. Mineralized openings Message-ID: <20050331181359.93189.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> I've had this discussion before, too. Some argue that without a layer of chalcedony it isn't a geode - I don't think that's part of the definition. Google returns many definitions of a geode, with inconsistencies: 1. Medicalge·ode (jç'ôd') n. A cystlike space with or without an epithelial lining, usually observed in subarticular bone in arthritic disorders. [Copyright © 2004, 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company] I thought this one was maybe the most interesting, hope I never run across one of these!! 2. Encyclopedia geode (jç'ôd) , hollow, globular rock nodule ranging in diameter from 1 to 12 in. (2.54–30.5 cm) or more. Most geodes are partly filled with mineral matter; they have a thin layer of chalcedony (“wavy” quartz) covering an inner lining of inward-projecting crystals. These spectacular crystals, generally quartz or, less often, calcite, make geodes highly prized by collectors. Geodes are formed in a cavity such as might be found inside a fossil shell buried in sediment. At the beginning, this cavity is probably filled with a concentrated salt solution. The first step in the creation of a geode is the formation along the inner cavity wall of a layer of gelatinous silica, which will eventually be transformed into the chalcedony layer. As the water surrounding the layer becomes less salty, osmosis induces migration of fluids into the cavity. This results in a buildup of pressure, causing the cavity to expand until the water inside and outside is equally salty. When the silica gel dehydrates, crystallizes to form chalcedony, and cracks, mineral-bearing water enters to slowly deposit the inward-projecting crystals. See concretion. [Copyright © 2003, Columbia University Press.] This one is inconsistent with this one: 3. Geodes (Greek geoides, "earthlike") are geological formations common to the United States (Indiana, the Keokuk area of Iowa and Kentucky), Brazil, and Mexico. Essentially rock bubbles with internal crystal formations, the exterior of a geode is generally limestone or a related rock, while the interior contains quartz crystals and/or chalcedony deposits. Other geodes are completely filled with crystal, being solid all the way though. These types of geodes are called nodules. Geologists do not yet have a widely accepted theory about how geodes are formed, but it is believed geodes can form in any cavity that is buried. These can be bubbles in igneous rocks, pockets under tree roots, or even animal burrows. Over time, the external wall of the cavity hardens, and dissolved silicates and/or calcites are deposited on the inside surface. Over time, this slow feed of minerals allows crystals to form inside the hollow chamber. Then, over millions of years, the geode makes its way back to the surface through normal geologic processes. The size of the crystals, their form and shade of color can vary greatly, making each geode unique. Some are clear quartz crystals, and others have rich purple amethyst crystals. Still others can have agate, chalcedony, or jasper crystals. There is no way of telling what the inside of a geode holds until it is cut open or broken apart. [ This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Wikipedia article "Geode". ] This article says that the "vugs" in igneious rocks (basalt, anyone) are geodes, too. Steve Garze and I went around about "geodized fossils" which is a term I've used for hollow fossils with crystals inside - one of my collecting favorites. Steve says that it isn't a geode without a chalcedony layer...if I've recalled his position accurately (Feel free to chip in, Steve!) But when I find a brachiopod (or any other identifiable fossil) lined with 2 or 3 kinds of crystalline mineral, I want to call it a geodized fossil, meaning a fossil which became hollow somehow, and then crystals built up inside that hollow, at different times and of different minerals ( at best, sometimes only one, so sue me). Maybe there's a little chalcedony, who knows without lab test and microscopes, anyway? So there's certainly room for arguement, until someone comes along with an arguement capable of making the rest of us with a different opinion shut up about it. KOR, JR --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Thu Mar 31 10:28:58 2005 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:28:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: ROCK POW WOW/MADRAS In-Reply-To: <1c4.24ea2eec.2f7634e7@aol.com> References: <1c4.24ea2eec.2f7634e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050331101928.02611028@mail.spiritone.com> Madras fairgrounds, camp at the fairgrounds (free or fee) June 29-July 3, contact Joan Williamson, 360 458-7162. Richardsons Ranch has a BBQ on Saturday, you can camp there too for free. I doubt they have the field trips scheduled yet but they are almost always the same: Friend, Joe MacDonald, Alec MacDonald, and Marston ranches, and the Polkadot pit. At 07:45 PM 3/25/2005, you wrote: >HI, > >IT HAS BEEN VERY HARD TO GET ANY INFORMATION ON THE MADRAS POW. I AM HOPING >YOU CAN HELP. WHERE, WHEN, RV CAMPING? ALL THE FIELD TRIPS AND FUN THINGS >THAT WILL GO ON. > >WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AND WANT TO GO THIS YEAR. >APPRECIATE ANY INFORMATION. THANK YOU. > >GAIL O'DELL >9170 E. ANTELOPE RD. >EAGLE POINT, OR. 97524 > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From lanny at lrream.com Thu Mar 31 10:44:27 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:42:42 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <03ad01c535b8$ca491950$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> References: <424B5FDE.34D0@Tomaszewski.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050330185943.02655530@incoming.verizon.net> <03ad01c535b8$ca491950$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: Your definition is great; the only problem being that coffinite is the name of a uranium mineral. Lanny On Mar 30, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Jimmy Kuo wrote: > I thought coffinite would be a pretty good name for a rock, and should > be > reserved for something of a deep, dark color to be found majorly 6 feet > underground. > > Jimmy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! > > >> I think Axel and Kreigh should have a "Laugh Off" contest to see who >> is > the >> most funny. >> >> Aloha, Kitty >> >>> Axel Emmermann wrote: >>>>> Sorry for the reply to the list. Where the he!! is my coffee??? :) >>>> Petrified! It is now coffinite. >>> >>> I think that the accepted name is coffeeite. Usually described as >>> stone >>> cold so it is not confused with coffeelite. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From lanny at lrream.com Thu Mar 31 10:54:50 2005 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Thu Mar 31 10:52:59 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geodes vrs. Vugs vrs. Mineralized openings In-Reply-To: <20050331181359.93189.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050331181359.93189.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C6BCFC8-A216-11D9-B858-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> I had this discussion one time with Terry Huizing; he insisted that a geode has to have a rind of chalcedony. He is right, if you accept the definition in geologic dictionaries. One has to be careful what "dictionaries" or "glossaries" you read on the Internet. There are a lot of them at universities and other institutions, and a lot of them appear to be made up on the spot. That is, they reflect popular usage (sometimes incorrect, sometimes a little off from what is (or was) correct geologic/scientific usage). If you look only at the geologic dictionaries, then you will see that the rind of chalcedony is part of the definition. Back to the geode--personally (and personally is what most of are expressing here if not quoting someone else), I generally go with the definition of the geologic dictionaries. However, language is an evolving thing. I see no reason for a geode to be restricted to a rock or structure that has a chalcedony rind and a crystal-lined interior. The main points are that it is a structure or geologic feature that can be separated from the enclosing rock and has a rind and has a crystal-lined interior. If one really looks into this whole idea, if a geode must have a rind of chalcedony, then there is no name for those "rocks" that otherwise are the same, that is they have a rind, a crystal-lined interior and are a distinct feature that can be removed from the host rock. For this item, I'm going with popular usage that it doesn't have to have a chalcedony rind to be a geode. Lanny On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:13 AM, J. R. Hodel wrote: > I've had this discussion before, too. Some argue that without a layer > of chalcedony it isn't a geode - I don't think that's part of the > definition. Google returns many definitions of a geode, with > inconsistencies: > > 1. Medicalge?ode (j?'?d') n. A cystlike space with or without an > epithelial lining, usually observed in subarticular bone in arthritic > disorders. [Copyright ? 2004, 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company] > > I thought this one was maybe the most interesting, hope I never run > across one of these!! > > 2. Encyclopedia geode (j?'?d) , hollow, globular rock nodule ranging > in diameter from 1 to 12 in. (2.54?30.5 cm) or more. Most geodes are > partly filled with mineral matter; they have a thin layer of > chalcedony (?wavy? quartz) covering an inner lining of > inward-projecting crystals. These spectacular crystals, generally > quartz or, less often, calcite, make geodes highly prized by > collectors. Geodes are formed in a cavity such as might be found > inside a fossil shell buried in sediment. At the beginning, this > cavity is probably filled with a concentrated salt solution. The first > step in the creation of a geode is the formation along the inner > cavity wall of a layer of gelatinous silica, which will eventually be > transformed into the chalcedony layer. As the water surrounding the > layer becomes less salty, osmosis induces migration of fluids into the > cavity. This results in a buildup of pressure, causing the cavity to > expand until the water inside and outside is equally salty. When the > silica gel dehydrates, crystallizes to form chalcedony, and cracks, > mineral-bearing water enters to slowly deposit the inward-projecting > crystals. See concretion. [Copyright ? 2003, Columbia University > Press.] > > This one is inconsistent with this one: > > 3. Geodes (Greek geoides, "earthlike") are geological formations > common to the United States (Indiana, the Keokuk area of Iowa and > Kentucky), Brazil, and Mexico. Essentially rock bubbles with internal > crystal formations, the exterior of a geode is generally limestone or > a related rock, while the interior contains quartz crystals and/or > chalcedony deposits. Other geodes are completely filled with crystal, > being solid all the way though. These types of geodes are called > nodules. > > Geologists do not yet have a widely accepted theory about how geodes > are formed, but it is believed geodes can form in any cavity that is > buried. These can be bubbles in igneous rocks, pockets under tree > roots, or even animal burrows. Over time, the external wall of the > cavity hardens, and dissolved silicates and/or calcites are deposited > on the inside surface. Over time, this slow feed of minerals allows > crystals to form inside the hollow chamber. Then, over millions of > years, the geode makes its way back to the surface through normal > geologic processes. > > The size of the crystals, their form and shade of color can vary > greatly, making each geode unique. Some are clear quartz crystals, and > others have rich purple amethyst crystals. Still others can have > agate, chalcedony, or jasper crystals. There is no way of telling what > the inside of a geode holds until it is cut open or broken apart. [ > This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It > uses material from the Wikipedia article "Geode". ] > > This article says that the "vugs" in igneious rocks (basalt, anyone) > are geodes, too. > > Steve Garze and I went around about "geodized fossils" which is a term > I've used for hollow fossils with crystals inside - one of my > collecting favorites. Steve says that it isn't a geode without a > chalcedony layer...if I've recalled his position accurately (Feel free > to chip in, Steve!) > > But when I find a brachiopod (or any other identifiable fossil) lined > with 2 or 3 kinds of crystalline mineral, I want to call it a geodized > fossil, meaning a fossil which became hollow somehow, and then > crystals built up inside that hollow, at different times and of > different minerals ( at best, sometimes only one, so sue me). Maybe > there's a little chalcedony, who knows without lab test and > microscopes, anyway? > > So there's certainly room for arguement, until someone comes along > with an arguement capable of making the rest of us with a different > opinion shut up about it. > > KOR, > JR > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From albalmer at att.net Thu Mar 31 11:20:27 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Mar 31 11:20:30 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424C4D7B.80808@att.net> Hans Durstling wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Try to locate the remnants (or perhaps the whole thing, I have not seen > it myself) of the late Mark Liccini's web site, which was I believe > www.liccini.com. Mark had quite comprehensive information on the > temperatures and durations of a whole variety of heat treatments. My > understanding is that the site can still be accessed, either through a > web archiving service, or by virtue of the site's having been taken over > and carried on by someone else. The caveat is this is what I've been > told. I've not gone looking for it myself; my information may no longer > be accurate, and if it is, it may take some research by someone more net > savvy than myself to find the it. > This URL now re-directs to http://www.minedirect.com/ .There is only a little treatment information there, but the treatment page says "under construction", so there may be more coming. It might be worthwhile contacting the Mine Direct people to see if they have Mark's material available in some other form. From fossilnut at aol.com Thu Mar 31 11:45:06 2005 From: fossilnut at aol.com (fossilnut@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 11:45:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] pearl exhibit in dc In-Reply-To: <2a70712fde245492cc50d810d4710147@his.com> References: <2a70712fde245492cc50d810d4710147@his.com> Message-ID: <8C7044145E94DB2-874-177BB@mblk-r17.sysops.aol.com> Thanks. I have that put in our club newsletter too. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Gaber Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Rockhounds] pearl exhibit in dc There is a great new pearl exhibit at the Smithsonian in the same room as the Hope Diamond at the Museum of Natural History. The Allure of Pearls features Elizabeth Taylor's La Peregrina necklace, the 76 mm Pearl of Asia, the 114 mm Hope Pearl, the black Drexel pearl, the exquisite near-perfect round Paspaley Pearl from Australian waters, 2 sets of rare pink conch pearls, the Black Beauty Pearl with incredible orient and several other notable pearls. The exhibit is open until September 5, 2005. If you take advantage of this rare opportunity to see these amazing pearls, be sure to pick up the brochure which tells some of the history of each pearl. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapidry at aol.com Thu Mar 31 11:46:14 2005 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 11:46:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mark Liccini/making citrine Message-ID: <7a.7061a266.2f7dad86@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 2:20:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, albalmer@att.net writes: Try to locate the remnants (or perhaps the whole thing, I have not seen > it myself) of the late Mark Liccini's web site, which was I believe > www.liccini.com. Does anyone know what happened to Mark? I used to buy quite a bit of material from him but lost contact and didn't even realize he'd died. He came up with some fantastic facet rough from Brazil over the years I dealt with him. Thanks, Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at mindspring.com Thu Mar 31 12:21:50 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Thu Mar 31 12:17:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mark Liccini In-Reply-To: <7a.7061a266.2f7dad86@aol.com> Message-ID: <836E9E63-A222-11D9-9EC4-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Hi Dan, I don't know the exact nature of the illness that took him, but he passed away in 2002 after being in a coma for several weeks. It was a shock to everyone. Mark was one of the people who coaxed me into starting The Eclectic Lapidary back in 1996. For my first returning issue of The Eclectic, I did a memorial editorial in tribute to him, Walt Bowser, my husband and my father called Rocky Roads, and shared one of the stories Mark told me about a Nigerian gem buying adventure in it. Carol Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary http://www.eclecticlapidary.com On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 02:46 PM, Lapidry@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know what happened to Mark? I used to buy quite a bit of > material from him but lost contact and didn't even realize he'd died. > He came up > with some fantastic facet rough from Brazil over the years I dealt > with him. > > Thanks, > > Dan Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary http://www.eclecticlapidary.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 31 13:02:43 2005 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 31 13:02:41 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help with ID please! In-Reply-To: <03ad01c535b8$ca491950$6901a8c0@LOSJKUOLT2> Message-ID: Jimmy wrote: >I thought coffinite would be a pretty good name for a rock, and should be >reserved for something of a deep, dark color to be found majorly 6 feet >underground. and preferable have Tombstone Arizona as type locality... Axel From Lapadary at aol.com Thu Mar 31 13:47:28 2005 From: Lapadary at aol.com (Lapadary@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 13:47:38 2005 Subject: Fwd: [Rockhounds] Check this out... Message-ID: <1a9.34fa8207.2f7dc9f0@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 9:25:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, j&gcornish@tenforward.com writes: Hi All, _http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/tn_ref_ (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/tn_ref) Another great search tool is _http://scholar.google.com/_ (http://scholar.google.com/) Grant --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html message/rfc822 --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Mar 31 15:12:33 2005 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Mar 31 15:12:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mark Liccini In-Reply-To: <836E9E63-A222-11D9-9EC4-000A95773806@mindspring.com> References: <836E9E63-A222-11D9-9EC4-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <424C83E1.3070001@att.net> Carol J. Bova wrote: > Hi Dan, > I don't know the exact nature of the illness that took him, but he > passed away in 2002 after being in a coma for several weeks. It was a > shock to everyone. Mark was one of the people who coaxed me into > starting The Eclectic Lapidary back in 1996. For my first returning > issue of The Eclectic, I did a memorial editorial in tribute to him, > Walt Bowser, my husband and my father called Rocky Roads, and shared one > of the stories Mark told me about a Nigerian gem buying adventure in it. > Carol > Carol, as long as we're reminiscing, what's the story on Justice Malanot? Is he still wandering around Africa and writing fabulous stories? Has he ever published a book? > Carol J. Bova > The Eclectic Lapidary > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com > > On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 02:46 PM, Lapidry@aol.com wrote: > >> Does anyone know what happened to Mark? I used to buy quite a bit of >> material from him but lost contact and didn't even realize he'd died. >> He came up >> with some fantastic facet rough from Brazil over the years I dealt >> with him. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan > > Carol J. Bova > The Eclectic Lapidary > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 31 16:39:44 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 31 16:30:10 2005 Subject: www.liccxini.com {was: [Rockhounds] making citrine} References: Message-ID: <424C960C.21DD@Tomaszewski.net> If you go to http://www.archive.org and enter http://www.liccini.com into the 'WayBack Machine' and then press the 'Take Me Back' button you will find they have Mark's website captured with many updates/versions between Dec 29, 1996 and Feb 10, 2004. Kreigh Hans Durstling wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > Try to locate the remnants (or perhaps the whole thing, I have not seen > it myself) of the late Mark Liccini's web site, which was I believe > www.liccini.com. Mark had quite comprehensive information on the > temperatures and durations of a whole variety of heat treatments. My > understanding is that the site can still be accessed, either through a > web archiving service, or by virtue of the site's having been taken > over and carried on by someone else. The caveat is this is what I've > been told. I've not gone looking for it myself; my information may no > longer be accurate, and if it is, it may take some research by someone > more net savvy than myself to find the it. > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > www.virtualfundy.com > > ================ > > On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 01:05 PM, Paul Hewitt wrote: > > > I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for > > awhile. What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it > > and for how long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional > > oven or do you need something like a ceramic kiln? > > > > Paul in Marietta > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From cabrageo at cksonline.net Thu Mar 31 17:07:56 2005 From: cabrageo at cksonline.net (David J. Smith) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:15:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine In-Reply-To: <000901c53613$e023d390$6501a8c0@maingear> References: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> <000901c53613$e023d390$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <424C9EEC.4000901@cksonline.net> Paul Hewitt wrote: > I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for > awhile. What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it > and for how long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional > oven or do you need something like a ceramic kiln? > The garimpeiros at the amethyst mine at Alto Bonita, close to me here in Para, Brasil, layer amethyst with charcoal and then set fire to the lot, in a 45 gal. drum. Not the most controlled way to make citrine, but the amethyst from this location is noted for making nicely deep yellow citrines. I believe this was mentioned on the site of the late Mark Liccini as mentioned by others. From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 31 17:27:01 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:27:04 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geodes vrs. Vugs vrs. Mineralized openings References: <20050331181359.93189.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> <5C6BCFC8-A216-11D9-B858-000393AC22E6@lrream.com> Message-ID: <00d301c53659$e7d348a0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Ultimately one needs to go back to the original defination of geode (or vug) - that is - the context when/where it was first used. As a fellow midwesterner like Terry Huizing and Steve Garza (with an "a" not an "e"), I have found the concensus among most collectors in the region is that a geode has a chalcedony rind and a vug doesn't. But the midwest is sedimentary rock country, no flood basalt deposits until you go into the Precambrian like the U.P. of Michigan or about 6,000' below Louisville. Geodes tend to be "little earth's" (approximately spherical), but I have found plenty of exceptions. For example, Harrodsburg, IN and Halls Gap, KY have vertical tubular geodes. I guess that would place them closer in shape to the asteroid Eros that to mother Earth. The Corydon quarry (famous for dolomite pockets) has vugs. I've never heard anyone "in the know" call them geodes. Eventually I'll finish my big article on the site for Min Rec and I'll be calling the pockets "vugs." They do pop out of the matrix from time to time... But the large majority of pockets are very irregular in all directions. There is a big difference between a geodized fossil and a fossil geode as others have mentioned. A geodized fossil is a fossil that has become a geode, but still resembles (to varying degrees) the overall shape of the original fossil. Most are much enlarged from the original fossil size (5x - 20x). I've got "exploding" crinoid columns with geodes formed in the center. I've got full-size geodes with isolated crinoid calyx plates in the exterior of the rind. I've got snails, brachiopods, blastoids, and horn corals that barely resemble the original form of the fossil. There are plenty of brachiopods lined with small scalenohedral calcite crystals (plus dolomite, celestine, etc.). No chalcedony rind. I can't bring myself to call them anything but a brachiopod vug. The same can be said for stromatoporoids (sponges) and corals. I think Dan Matilonis and Kirtley Settles had an article in Rocks & Minerals about 10 years ago on minerals in fossils from a road cut in Nelson Co., KY. I don't recall them calling the geodes. I've read a fair amount on the origin of sedimentary geodes. It is a complex process, but the current theory sounds very plausible, accounting for the normal and odd shapes, as well as geodized fossils. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geodes vrs. Vugs vrs. Mineralized openings >I had this discussion one time with Terry Huizing; he insisted that a geode >has to have a rind of chalcedony. He is right, if you accept the >definition in geologic dictionaries. One has to be careful what >"dictionaries" or "glossaries" you read on the Internet. There are a lot >of them at universities and other institutions, and a lot of them appear to >be made up on the spot. That is, they reflect popular usage (sometimes >incorrect, sometimes a little off from what is (or was) correct >geologic/scientific usage). If you look only at the geologic dictionaries, >then you will see that the rind of chalcedony is part of the definition. > > Back to the geode--personally (and personally is what most of are > expressing here if not quoting someone else), I generally go with the > definition of the geologic dictionaries. However, language is an evolving > thing. I see no reason for a geode to be restricted to a rock or structure > that has a chalcedony rind and a crystal-lined interior. The main points > are that it is a structure or geologic feature that can be separated from > the enclosing rock and has a rind and has a crystal-lined interior. If one > really looks into this whole idea, if a geode must have a rind of > chalcedony, then there is no name for those "rocks" that otherwise are the > same, that is they have a rind, a crystal-lined interior and are a > distinct feature that can be removed from the host rock. For this item, > I'm going with popular usage that it doesn't have to have a chalcedony > rind to be a geode. > > Lanny > > > On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:13 AM, J. R. Hodel wrote: > >> I've had this discussion before, too. Some argue that without a layer of >> chalcedony it isn't a geode - I don't think that's part of the >> definition. Google returns many definitions of a geode, with >> inconsistencies: >> >> 1. Medicalge?ode (j?'?d') n. A cystlike space with or without an >> epithelial lining, usually observed in subarticular bone in arthritic >> disorders. [Copyright ? 2004, 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company] >> >> I thought this one was maybe the most interesting, hope I never run >> across one of these!! >> >> 2. Encyclopedia geode (j?'?d) , hollow, globular rock nodule ranging in >> diameter from 1 to 12 in. (2.54-30.5 cm) or more. Most geodes are partly >> filled with mineral matter; they have a thin layer of chalcedony ("wavy" >> quartz) covering an inner lining of inward-projecting crystals. These >> spectacular crystals, generally quartz or, less often, calcite, make >> geodes highly prized by collectors. Geodes are formed in a cavity such as >> might be found inside a fossil shell buried in sediment. At the >> beginning, this cavity is probably filled with a concentrated salt >> solution. The first step in the creation of a geode is the formation >> along the inner cavity wall of a layer of gelatinous silica, which will >> eventually be transformed into the chalcedony layer. As the water >> surrounding the layer becomes less salty, osmosis induces migration of >> fluids into the cavity. This results in a buildup of pressure, causing >> the cavity to expand until the water inside and outside is equally salty. >> When the >> silica gel dehydrates, crystallizes to form chalcedony, and cracks, >> mineral-bearing water enters to slowly deposit the inward-projecting >> crystals. See concretion. [Copyright ? 2003, Columbia University Press.] >> >> This one is inconsistent with this one: >> >> 3. Geodes (Greek geoides, "earthlike") are geological formations common >> to the United States (Indiana, the Keokuk area of Iowa and Kentucky), >> Brazil, and Mexico. Essentially rock bubbles with internal crystal >> formations, the exterior of a geode is generally limestone or a related >> rock, while the interior contains quartz crystals and/or chalcedony >> deposits. Other geodes are completely filled with crystal, being solid >> all the way though. These types of geodes are called nodules. >> >> Geologists do not yet have a widely accepted theory about how geodes are >> formed, but it is believed geodes can form in any cavity that is buried. >> These can be bubbles in igneous rocks, pockets under tree roots, or even >> animal burrows. Over time, the external wall of the cavity hardens, and >> dissolved silicates and/or calcites are deposited on the inside surface. >> Over time, this slow feed of minerals allows crystals to form inside the >> hollow chamber. Then, over millions of years, the geode makes its way >> back to the surface through normal geologic processes. >> >> The size of the crystals, their form and shade of color can vary greatly, >> making each geode unique. Some are clear quartz crystals, and others have >> rich purple amethyst crystals. Still others can have agate, chalcedony, >> or jasper crystals. There is no way of telling what the inside of a geode >> holds until it is cut open or broken apart. [ This article is licensed >> under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the >> Wikipedia article "Geode". ] >> >> This article says that the "vugs" in igneious rocks (basalt, anyone) are >> geodes, too. >> >> Steve Garze and I went around about "geodized fossils" which is a term >> I've used for hollow fossils with crystals inside - one of my collecting >> favorites. Steve says that it isn't a geode without a chalcedony >> layer...if I've recalled his position accurately (Feel free to chip in, >> Steve!) >> >> But when I find a brachiopod (or any other identifiable fossil) lined >> with 2 or 3 kinds of crystalline mineral, I want to call it a geodized >> fossil, meaning a fossil which became hollow somehow, and then crystals >> built up inside that hollow, at different times and of different minerals >> ( at best, sometimes only one, so sue me). Maybe there's a little >> chalcedony, who knows without lab test and microscopes, anyway? >> >> So there's certainly room for arguement, until someone comes along with >> an arguement capable of making the rest of us with a different opinion >> shut up about it. >> >> KOR, >> JR >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 31 17:28:50 2005 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:28:52 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toothbrushes and razors References: <1112282719.424c165f4bbdc@my6.dal.ca> Message-ID: <00d901c5365a$289495b0$092cca0c@yourb79wz4rose> I used a WaterPik until the hose broke. I guess replacement parts are available somewhere, but I've never looked for them. It worked great - and you need goggles! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Van Dommelen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Toothbrushes and razors > Hi All, > > It seems that the big new trend in bathroom tools is to make them spin and > vibrate. Razors that pulse, toothbrushes that spin, and last night I saw > an ad > for a toothbrush that vibrates at high speeds. I have thought that there > might > be possibilities here for mineral cleaning. I don't have access to an > ultrasonic cleaner and probably won't for some time because of the high > price. > I have thought that these bathroom items might be a inexpensive > alternative, > even if they don't have a lot of power. I'm thinking of putting the > specimen > to be cleaned upsidedown in some water and sticking a toothbrush head into > the > water or resting it on the specimen to make it vibrate (maybe the vibrate > feature on an obsolete cell-phone would work too), as a way to get at mud > in > deep down between crystals. Has anyone else tried this? Would they just > be > too weak to be useful? > > Thanks in adavance, > Ronnie Van Dommelen > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From bova at mindspring.com Thu Mar 31 17:35:50 2005 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:31:36 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mark Liccini In-Reply-To: <424C83E1.3070001@att.net> Message-ID: <6153E802-A24E-11D9-9EC4-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Hi Al, Our adventuring friend is alive and well! He's settled down a bit, married and has a little boy now. I just had a note from him the other night. I owe him a reply, so I'll see if anything's happening on the writing front and let you know. Carol Carol J. Bova The Eclectic Lapidary http://www.eclecticlapidary.com On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 06:12 PM, Al Balmer wrote: > Carol, as long as we're reminiscing, what's the story on Justice > Malanot? Is he still wandering around Africa and writing fabulous > stories? Has he ever published a book? > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 31 17:49:28 2005 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:39:47 2005 Subject: www.liccxini.com {was: [Rockhounds] making citrine} Found! References: <424C960C.21DD@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <424CA65A.1CF@Tomaszewski.net> It seems the Way Back Machine is losing bits and chunks of old pages that have not been referenced and Mark's archived site is falling apart. So I turned to Google and found Mark's own summary writeup archived at Orchid as the first hit on my first search. http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive/199912/msg00192.htm BTW, in one my my discussions with Mark he told me you should bury your specimens to be heat treated in the middle of coffee cans filled with dry sand, and heat the whole can. The sand blanket prevents most thermal stress during the heating and cooling so you avoid shattering what you are treating. And with the exact URL at Mark's website of his full writeup from the archived message http://www.liccini.com/Treating/Quartz/Quartz.htm I entered it into the WayBack Machine, got a short list, and selected the one at the beginning of 2002 and found Mark's website page. In case you can get there directly, it is http://web.archive.org/web/20020210013003/http://www.luccini.com/Treating/Quartz/Quartz.htm but watch for a wrap since it is long. Enjoy! Kreigh Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > If you go to > > http://www.archive.org > > and enter > > http://www.liccini.com > > into the 'WayBack Machine' and then press the 'Take Me Back' button you > will find they have Mark's website captured with many updates/versions > between Dec 29, 1996 and Feb 10, 2004. > > Kreigh > > Hans Durstling wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Try to locate the remnants (or perhaps the whole thing, I have not seen > > it myself) of the late Mark Liccini's web site, which was I believe > > www.liccini.com. Mark had quite comprehensive information on the > > temperatures and durations of a whole variety of heat treatments. My > > understanding is that the site can still be accessed, either through a > > web archiving service, or by virtue of the site's having been taken > > over and carried on by someone else. The caveat is this is what I've > > been told. I've not gone looking for it myself; my information may no > > longer be accurate, and if it is, it may take some research by someone > > more net savvy than myself to find the it. > > > > Cheers, > > Hans Durstling > > Moncton, Canada > > www.virtualfundy.com > > > > ================ > > > > On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 01:05 PM, Paul Hewitt wrote: > > > > > I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for > > > awhile. What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it > > > and for how long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional > > > oven or do you need something like a ceramic kiln? > > > > > > Paul in Marietta > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From strongtb at juno.com Thu Mar 31 17:57:05 2005 From: strongtb at juno.com (Timothy B Strong) Date: Thu Mar 31 17:58:33 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] NC Bound Message-ID: <20050331.205705.2304.0.strongtb@juno.com> I am heading to NC this weekend. Was wondering if the Reed Gold Mine is a good place to visit. I am also taking my family to Linville Caverns and Grandfather MT. are there any places besides the pay ones to do any collecting? From rockcurrier at cs.com Thu Mar 31 18:24:38 2005 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Thu Mar 31 18:13:11 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cavansite availability References: <200503311853.j2VIr55O016418@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <015e01c53661$f4796050$6901a8c0@rock3> The Question: Within the last years or so, I have noticed a large increase in the amount of cavansite for sale on many dealers' websites. Does anyone know the state of the Wagholi Quarry? Can we expect considerably more cavansite in the future? An answer: There are two and I am pretty sure three quarries that have produced cavansite specimens besides the original one near Wagholi which is a suburb of Pune (Poona). There may be even more localities that produce the material. I visited the site some years ago and the original find was a water filled shaft about 20 feet across in the center of the quarry floor that had been covered over with some steel rods and chain link fencing. The locals had bent up some of the covering and were climbing down in the pit a little ways to fill their water containers. It was a handy well for some of the locals. The original locality was a little hill in the quarry that the quarry owner had avoided working because the zeolite mineralization made the rock less hard and therefore less desirable for road fill and construction purposes. Since that time I was told the pit had been pumped out and dug even deeper to get more cavansite. I visited another locality less than a km away it was very much the same. The overall geology was simple sheet basalt, but within the basalt there appeared to be some sort of mineralized pipe comming up through the basalt filled with angular chunks of basalt and the breccia fragments that were covered with small stilbite crystals and occasionally cavansite. The stilbite was not very remarkable. The basalt is permeable to water which moves through the basalt slowly, but continuously. The water table is perhaps 20 or 30 feed deep depending on the area and when villages make wells, they just chop a big hole into the basalt, ten to 20 feet across and 10 to 30 feet below the depth of the water table and then wait a few days for it to fill up. They can then haul the water up in buckets or pump it out, but they can't do it too quickly or they will pump the well dry. So when they chase these "breccia pipes (if that is what they are)" down, water is quickly encountered and it has to be continually pumped out, which is just another irritation in the collecting process. Anyway the deeper they dig, the more difficult it is to make a profit. I don't think any of the cavansite localities are more than 50 or 60 feet deep. Originally the cavansite was controlled by one guy, but that has changed and more than one supplier has the material from time to time and that means more material, competition and cheaper prices. I suspect that from time to time other cavansite localities will be discovered as well. If you could use some device to scan the basalt region from the air to detect vanadium and molybdenum you could probably locate many areas that would potentially produce cavansite, pentagonite and powlite. At any rate, judging from the huge size of the Deccan Basalts and the history of what has already been found there we can be certain that as long as the basalts have the population density of people living on then that they currently do, that more and better specimens of all the minerals from the region will be found. Rock From TomE61 at aol.com Thu Mar 31 19:00:51 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 19:00:58 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:North Carolina Collecting Opportunities Message-ID: <149.426d0317.2f7e1363@aol.com> Tim, I am planning a trip to North Carolina either early May or late September and had done some extensive research about collecting opportunities there. Unfortunately, I'm sitting here lounging in Hill Country, Bandera, TX and don't have access to my research, which is back in NYC. Also, I'm plagued with a really slow internet connection. On the positive side, I can see stars in the sky that I never knew existed, I've bonded with horses, deer, sheep and some wild birds and I've collected (free of charge) more jasper, agate, petrified wood and fossils than I know what to do with. But that's another story. Here are some suggestions off the top of my head: 1. Contact the local Chamber of Commerce. My experience is that they are very helpful and if they don't easily know the answers to your questions, they invariably know someone who knows someone who knows someone else. This is particularly true in areas where there are fee collecting sites and mines that cater to family day trips. 2. Search for rock & mineral clubs in NC (there are several of them) and e-mail them and ask for good collecting opportunities and/or places to visit with your family. For a variety of reasons (again, another story), I had avoided planning any trip to the so-called famous fee collecting sites in NC because I believe they are generally "salted" and like many similar sites in the northeast, promise a lot more than they actually deliver. Nothing, in my opinion, is more frustrating than to drive to a location, pay a hefty entrance fee and come away with a handful of pebbles. And the promise of finding that huge sapphire or emerald is enticing, but its like telling someone who plans a trip to Las Vegas: "well, we had a huge jackpot winner last week." It COULD happen to you as well. YEAH, Right ! I do remember that Franklin County in NC has an interesting geology and poses some good chances to collect. Asheville and environs are about an hour from Linville Caverns (good choice, by the way) and might be a possibility for you to consider. Here is some other information I was able to retrieve. I can't vouch for the current status or accuracy of the information (I haven't gotten that far yet), but you might find something worthwhile in here: _http://www.nb.net/~downs/sites/nc.htm_ (http://www.nb.net/~downs/sites/nc.htm) In Asheville, there is a museum dedicated to gems and minerals. Its called the Colburn Gem and Mineral Museum (2 South Pack Square) and is open year round. In Franklin, which I estimate to be about 30-40 miles from Asheville, there are two (2) museums (Franklin Gem and Mineral Museum & Ruby City Gems) both on Main Street. _http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Gold%20brochure/Gold%20Brochure%2012222000 .htm_ (http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Gold%20brochure/Gold%20Brochure%2012222000.htm) _http://www.visitsmokies.org/Activities/GemMining.html_ (http://www.visitsmokies.org/Activities/GemMining.html) _http://members.aol.com/flagman55/MaineMineralLink.html_ (http://members.aol.com/flagman55/MaineMineralLink.html) This is not NC specific, but a pretty useful site nonetheless. _http://www.gamineral.org/commercial-sites.htm_ (http://www.gamineral.org/commercial-sites.htm) Not just GA, but NC & SC as well. _http://gw.ehnr.state.nc.us/faq.htm_ (http://gw.ehnr.state.nc.us/faq.htm) Please note that I was able to retrieve this information from previously sent e-mails, so I don't have my notes or comments handy. Good luck, have a safe and pleasant trip. Be sure to take sunscreen and insect repellent. Don't miss out on the wildflowers which I am told are just beginning to bloom (slowly, but surely). I'd love to see a report on what you and your family did and were able to find. I had previously thought about sending Tim this information outside of the community, but I reasoned that perhaps others could benefit as well, and in exchange, share some good collecting opportunities with the members. I apologize to those who may feel that their bandwidth was violated or have no intention of ever going to NC. Warmest Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From TomE61 at aol.com Thu Mar 31 19:32:05 2005 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 31 19:32:13 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Texas Rockhounding -- Brief Observations Message-ID: <46.66775a95.2f7e1ab5@aol.com> I wanted to post some brief observations about my trip to San Antonio, TX this past week in case any of you are interested or planning a vacation there. Please feel free to contact me outside the forum if you need more details, want more information or have any questions. We are actually in Bandera County, northwest of San Antonio. Its the cowboy capital of the world. It is SUPER rural, with very little that resembles a large city. However, the huge ranches, the clean air, the crystal clear stars in the sky, the deer that say hello are all good reasons to at least visit here. And then there's the collecting. I know that Texas is famous for topaz and llanite (a form of granite unique to LLano County that has beautiful blue quartz inclusions in it), but I didn't have any tools with me, and gas being as expensive as it is, I stayed somewhat local. The area in and around Bandera is chock full of flint, jasper, agates and petrified wood. The road cuts are expansive. Fossils abound almost everywhere. I confess that I don't know enough about flint, fossils, etc, since I hadn't been previously interested, but the collecting opportunities are enormous. And I will certainly be doing a lot more research about the treasures I uncovered. What amazed me was that the towns in and around Bandera encourage collecting and stopping on the roadside to look for treasures (this is a violation of state law in NY where I come from and it took some getting used to). What amazed me even more was the complete depth of knowledge that ALL the locals have about fossils, flint, etc. and areas where they can direct you to collect. From late teens to twilight ranchers, everyone had something to share and their information was invaluable. But what amazed me most was the attitude here.....cowboys, cowgirls, cops and ranchers all took a LOT of time to ask me what I was looking for and give me suggestions where else to go. There is a very clear absence of 9-5 mentality here, which I find very refreshing. Tomorrow (Friday, April 1, 2005) we are heading to the San Antonio Gem & Mineral show. I am looking forward to it. Apparently the proceeds are used to finance scholarships for kids and I can think of NO better way to use the money from our purchases. Speaking of proceeds, I would strongly encourage AVOIDING the Alamo Rock Shop, which is about 15 - 20 minutes from downtown San Antonio. Its a nice location, with some nice stuff, but the prices are terribly inflated (I'm from NYC so I know about inflated prices) and I wouldn't think of spending that kind of money. For example, rose quartz is $10 a pound, regular quartz is $8 a pound, topaz, sapphire and emerald (ALL rough) are $2.00 / gram and the same specimens that I collected for free are selling in the range of $2.00 - $15.00 per pound. And these are reduced prices, by the way ! Notwithstanding my love of this hobby, my belief in free enterprise and the capitalist system is often tempered by a distaste for felonious price gouging and profit seeking. Finally, even the fast food places here (McDonalds, Jack in the Box, etc.) have nice landscaping areas that contain excellent samples. I asked the managers in several places if I could collect a bit and they all said, sure, no problem. Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tfa at brickengraver.com Thu Mar 31 19:46:50 2005 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Mar 31 19:46:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:North Carolina Collecting Opportunities In-Reply-To: <149.426d0317.2f7e1363@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050401034632.ZXJQ4801.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@compaqupstairs> I found the Reed Gold Mine a very good place to go--I would highly recommend it. They have a panning station there also and if it is fresh dirt after a wet winter, you might actually find something. I think I remember that they offer salted and unsalted. But it is kind of neat to pan gold where the first gold rush in America started. The tour is pretty interesting and short enough so rest of family should not get bored. It is a state park so under administration of North Carolina and is considered a state historic site. It is a pretty good ways from GF Mt. though. Make sure to go by Spruce Pine and number of rockshops. There is also a museum right on the Parkway and the intersection of the highway that goes to Spruce Pines and has collection and displays about the. Good for quick visit and bath room run. It is run by the Parkway. Hugh Morton, the owner of GF Mountain was a big mineral collector and from what I gather, his collection is on display at GF Mountain. Pay especial attention to the bridge that goes around GF Mountain--very nice bridge and the result of a long drawn out lawsuit. Linville Caverns is a nice, but small cavern--not like the biggies, but I found it interesting. Right close to Spruce Pines in Little Switzerland is a good restaurant--a bit upscale but overlooks the valley. It is attached to the motel and I liked the place the last time went with my wife. Bit higher than some of the others but still reasonable. In Asheville is the Colburn Mineral Museum which is nice and right in downtown Asheville with all the good restaurants. Really good French bakery there for snacks. The Raleigh Gem and Mineral Show is in Raleigh, a long way away. Also at the Museum of Natural History in Raleigh is the finest collection of NC minerals ever assembled in its own new Gallery through July, I think--an anonymous collector "donated it". Some really incredible NC rocks including one of the cut emeralds. I don't know how long you are planning on making the trip. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 www.brickengraver.com The search is what anyone would undertake if he were not sunk in the everydayness of his own life. To become aware of the possibility of the search is to be onto something. Not to be onto something is to be in despair. Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Timothy B Strong Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:57 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] NC Bound I am heading to NC this weekend. Was wondering if the Reed Gold Mine is a good place to visit. I am also taking my family to Linville Caverns and Grandfather MT. are there any places besides the pay ones to do any collecting? _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Timothy B Strong Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:57 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] NC Bound I am heading to NC this weekend. Was wondering if the Reed Gold Mine is a good place to visit. I am also taking my family to Linville Caverns and Grandfather MT. are there any places besides the pay ones to do any collecting? _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of TomE61@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:01 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:North Carolina Collecting Opportunities Tim, I am planning a trip to North Carolina either early May or late September and had done some extensive research about collecting opportunities there. Unfortunately, I'm sitting here lounging in Hill Country, Bandera, TX and don't have access to my research, which is back in NYC. Also, I'm plagued with a really slow internet connection. On the positive side, I can see stars in the sky that I never knew existed, I've bonded with horses, deer, sheep and some wild birds and I've collected (free of charge) more jasper, agate, petrified wood and fossils than I know what to do with. But that's another story. Here are some suggestions off the top of my head: 1. Contact the local Chamber of Commerce. My experience is that they are very helpful and if they don't easily know the answers to your questions, they invariably know someone who knows someone who knows someone else. This is particularly true in areas where there are fee collecting sites and mines that cater to family day trips. 2. Search for rock & mineral clubs in NC (there are several of them) and e-mail them and ask for good collecting opportunities and/or places to visit with your family. For a variety of reasons (again, another story), I had avoided planning any trip to the so-called famous fee collecting sites in NC because I believe they are generally "salted" and like many similar sites in the northeast, promise a lot more than they actually deliver. Nothing, in my opinion, is more frustrating than to drive to a location, pay a hefty entrance fee and come away with a handful of pebbles. And the promise of finding that huge sapphire or emerald is enticing, but its like telling someone who plans a trip to Las Vegas: "well, we had a huge jackpot winner last week." It COULD happen to you as well. YEAH, Right ! I do remember that Franklin County in NC has an interesting geology and poses some good chances to collect. Asheville and environs are about an hour from Linville Caverns (good choice, by the way) and might be a possibility for you to consider. Here is some other information I was able to retrieve. I can't vouch for the current status or accuracy of the information (I haven't gotten that far yet), but you might find something worthwhile in here: _http://www.nb.net/~downs/sites/nc.htm_ (http://www.nb.net/~downs/sites/nc.htm) In Asheville, there is a museum dedicated to gems and minerals. Its called the Colburn Gem and Mineral Museum (2 South Pack Square) and is open year round. In Franklin, which I estimate to be about 30-40 miles from Asheville, there are two (2) museums (Franklin Gem and Mineral Museum & Ruby City Gems) both on Main Street. _http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Gold%20brochure/Gold%20Brochure%20122220 00 .htm_ (http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Gold%20brochure/Gold%20Brochure%20122220 00.htm) _http://www.visitsmokies.org/Activities/GemMining.html_ (http://www.visitsmokies.org/Activities/GemMining.html) _http://members.aol.com/flagman55/MaineMineralLink.html_ (http://members.aol.com/flagman55/MaineMineralLink.html) This is not NC specific, but a pretty useful site nonetheless. _http://www.gamineral.org/commercial-sites.htm_ (http://www.gamineral.org/commercial-sites.htm) Not just GA, but NC & SC as well. _http://gw.ehnr.state.nc.us/faq.htm_ (http://gw.ehnr.state.nc.us/faq.htm) Please note that I was able to retrieve this information from previously sent e-mails, so I don't have my notes or comments handy. Good luck, have a safe and pleasant trip. Be sure to take sunscreen and insect repellent. Don't miss out on the wildflowers which I am told are just beginning to bloom (slowly, but surely). I'd love to see a report on what you and your family did and were able to find. I had previously thought about sending Tim this information outside of the community, but I reasoned that perhaps others could benefit as well, and in exchange, share some good collecting opportunities with the members. I apologize to those who may feel that their bandwidth was violated or have no intention of ever going to NC. Warmest Regards, Tom Russell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Mar 30 17:51:31 2005 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Mar 31 19:51:51 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montana References: <149.426d0317.2f7e1363@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c53594$2e53c140$6400a8c0@mshome.net> Julie and I are driving from northern Idaho to central Montana (Grass Range, SE of Lewistown) next week for J's birthday. I expect to dig a lot of calcite and marine fossils while we're there but I'm wondering if anyone has a favorite collecting site along the way. We'll stay in Helena the first night (unfortunately, no time to dig sapphire) and Butte on our way back. Expecting to stop by Crystal Park. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks - John From kahako at verizon.net Thu Mar 31 20:28:31 2005 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Mar 31 20:28:34 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine In-Reply-To: <424C9EEC.4000901@cksonline.net> References: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> <000901c53613$e023d390$6501a8c0@maingear> <424C9EEC.4000901@cksonline.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050331181338.02630368@incoming.verizon.net> We are going to display our ignorance here, but can someone explain what is involved with citrine being created by heating? Bill says he is making a WAG that the color of amethyst is caused by iron, and that heating will cause a change from ferric to ferrous---or vice versa---by a process of oxidation or reduction (not sure which) of the iron in the quartz. He says PDLTL (Please don't laugh too loud). I also would like to know what happens in nature to make it possible for citrine and amethyst to occur together. I have a piece that was called "ametrine" because one half of it is amethyst, and the other half citrine, and the line between the two colors is absolutely sharp---no blending at all. And if my question is dumb, I'll say PDLTL also. Aloha, Kitty At 03:07 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: >Paul Hewitt wrote: > >>I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for awhile. >>What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it and for how >>long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional oven or do you >>need something like a ceramic kiln? >The garimpeiros at the amethyst mine at Alto Bonita, close to me here in >Para, Brasil, layer amethyst with charcoal and then set fire to the lot, >in a 45 gal. drum. Not the most controlled way to make citrine, but the >amethyst from this location is noted for making nicely deep yellow >citrines. I believe this was mentioned on the site of the late Mark >Liccini as mentioned by others. From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Mar 31 10:50:13 2005 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Mar 31 21:59:00 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine References: <006f01c5356c$4a696b50$6401a8c0@Dri> <424B19F6.6030308@azgs.az.gov> <000901c53613$e023d390$6501a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <000101c5367f$e2c7f970$594227c4@privatehome> Have seen the process in Namibia in the mid-sixties. Don't remember too much about it, but here the amethyst was heated in metal drum filled with burning coal.I was given to understand that it was a slow process Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hewitt" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:05 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] making citrine >I have read that citrine can be created by heating amethyst for awhile. >What I have been unable to find is how hot you have to get it and for how >long. Is it something that can be done in a conventional oven or do you >need something like a ceramic kiln? > > Paul in Marietta > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > From kugeln at msn.com Thu Mar 31 20:08:52 2005 From: kugeln at msn.com (JOHN STOCKWELL) Date: Fri Apr 1 05:30:19 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thunderegg definition References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050331093422.026253e0@mail.spiritone.com> Message-ID: Whether or not Paul Colburn's account is correct in every respect, it is CERTAINLY the case that neither thundereggs nor geodes are in any sense "volcanic projectiles!" What we know as "volcanic bombs" ARE "projectiles." ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Fisher To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Thunderegg definition Just a comment: #1 is incorrect. See Paul Colburn's excellent material on thunderegg formation at http://www.zianet.com/geodekid/whatarel.htm : Commonly known as thundereggs, lithophysae (Latin for "rock bubbles") originate as spheroids drawn from the rhyolite into the immiscible components of co-eruptive rhyolite-perlite lava flows and domes. Portions of rhyolite are pulled by turbulence or buoyancy from the parent rhyolite into the perlite, forming spheres which, as temperatures drop to a critical point, crystallize, driving dissolved gases out of solution. Over many millions of years, the hollow lithophysae fill with silica-laden water through fill-tubes in their surfaces, silicifying their rhyolite shells, and decomposing the perlite surrounding them. At 08:14 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: >Hi all, > >My take on this is: > >1. Thunder Egg: A volcanic projectile that has cooled fast so that it >forms solid quartz mass inside. Because of differential cooling it forms a >"rind" around the quartz-agatized (?)-material inside. > > > >2. Geode: A volcanic projectile that has cooled more slowly than the >thunder egg and has an air pocket inside. The resultant differential >cooling allows the growth of crystals inside the air pocket. The outside >rind cools quickest, then a material similar to the thunder egg is formed >but the cooling is slow enough to form crystals inside the air pocket. > > > >3. Vug: Lava flowing form a volcano forms air pockets. It could be just >air (superheated) or water (again superheated) that forms the air pocket. >Due to the differential cooling caused by the air pocket crystals grow >from the surrounding material and a thin rind is formed from the same >material. Usually the rind material is still super hot forming a glass >material. Since the lava is basalt the rind is a very dark glass. I don't >know if one can call it obsidian, however, if it is not it is very similar. > > > >4. Just as a side note, crystal or agate formed from the above processes >can contain other elements (metals mostly) that change the composition of >the SiO4. A color change then takes place that can change the properties >of the quartz to form other genre of mineral. > > > >At the Walker Valley site I have taken "pieces" of what I would term vug >material similar to what is shown in the photo on the WSMC site in excess >of 6 inches in length and 4 inches in width. That's a big air pocket, but >I bet there are bigger ones there. > > > >BTW: The "companion" Dri referred to is I, > >Robynne Elske, Rank Amateur, but I read a lot! > > >"A slave is one who waits for someone to come and free him" >~ Ezra Pound >[If you're happy and know it, clank your chains!] Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at bovagems.com Thu Mar 31 15:35:27 2005 From: bova at bovagems.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Tue Apr 5 18:14:18 2005 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mark Liccini In-Reply-To: <424C83E1.3070001@att.net> Message-ID: <9012D0C7-A23D-11D9-9EC4-000A95773806@bovagems.com> Hi Al, Our adventuring friend is alive and well! He's settled down a bit, married and has a little boy now. I just had a note from him the other night. I owe him a reply, so I'll see if anything's happening on the writing front and let you know. Carol On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 06:12 PM, Al Balmer wrote: >> > Carol, as long as we're reminiscing, what's the story on Justice > Malanot? Is he still wandering around Africa and writing fabulous > stories? Has he ever published a book? > Carol J. Bova wrote: >> Hi Dan, >> I don't know the exact nature of the illness that took him, but he >> passed away in 2002 after being in a coma for several weeks. It was a >> shock to everyone. Mark was one of the people who coaxed me into >> starting The Eclectic Lapidary back in 1996. For my first returning >> issue of The Eclectic, I did a memorial editorial in tribute to him, >> Walt Bowser, my husband and my father called Rocky Roads, and shared >> one of the stories Mark told me about a Nigerian gem buying adventure >> in it. >> Carol >> Carol J. Bova >> The Eclectic Lapidary >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com >> On Thursday, March 31, 2005, at 02:46 PM, Lapidry@aol.com wrote: >>> Does anyone know what happened to Mark? I used to buy quite a bit of >>> material from him but lost contact and didn't even realize he'd >>> died. He came up >>> with some fantastic facet rough from Brazil over the years I dealt >>> with him. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dan >> Carol J. 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