From SHMM at sussexonline.com Fri Dec 1 03:49:45 2006 From: SHMM at sussexonline.com (Earl Verbeek) Date: Fri Dec 1 03:49:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals {was: Radioactives Safety} In-Reply-To: <456FDA5B.6020706@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001c7153e$cc782510$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Pete M: > BTW, I don't think it's quite correct to claim polonium as a native metal. > As a natural daughter product, it can be called a naturally occurring > radioactive element... Don H: I think we were just talking about it being a "native element," as in, an element on the periodic table, which it is. I don't think it fits in the Dana list or IMA list of native elements, in the sense it is not a mineral-forming species, but that is splitting hairs (and I honestly don't have time to check right now). It is a short-lived and transient element, but then again there are some anthropogenic elements with half-lives less than a second, and they are also on the periodic table--though one wonders why time and money are spent creating such esoteric substances, but that is another matter. --------------------------------- An element on the periodic table is just that, an element. The term "native element" as applied to mineralogy means that the element occurs naturally as a mineral, as opposed to an impurity constituent of another mineral. The term "native metal" is similar; it can fairly be applied to those native elements that are, indeed, metals, but shouldn't be used for any metal that does not form its own mineral. That is, "native metal" is not a synonym for "naturally occurring metallic element". To have native polonium you'd have to find a naturally occurring mineral that contains essential polonium as the dominant constituent - that is, polonium uncombined with any other element, though perhaps alloyed with subordinate amounts of other metals. I doubt that native polonium exists in the sense that native gold, silver, copper, etc. do. Cheers- Earl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Fri Dec 1 04:55:49 2006 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Fri Dec 1 04:55:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Georgia Gem Show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005901c71548$06903090$0aa18caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Dear Ya'll: Our 13th annual gem and mineral show is NEXT weekend at the North Atlanta Trade Center in Norcross, GA (just north of Atlanta). Over 45 dealers Rocks, Minerals, Fossils, Fine Jewelry, Beads, Carvings Free parking, Free admission Door Prizes Special Door Prize for a lucky student and his/her school Auction Saturday at 2pm A Non-Profit Educational Organization (There's a gun show next door for those folks who are so inclined!) Dec 8 Friday 10am-6pm Dec 9 Sat 10am-6pm Dec 10 Sun Noon-5pm See our website at: http://gamineral.org Thanks, Anita Westlake, Dealer Chair From tim at orerockon.com Fri Dec 1 05:32:50 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Dec 1 05:32:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 inch diamond blade In-Reply-To: <456FB340.30000@provide.net> References: <456FB340.30000@provide.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20061201053033.037e0190@orerockon.com> UKAM are spammers. I blacklisted them when they refused to stop spamming me. As such, I would never buy anything from them, ever. Now, as to imported, rebranded Chinese blades (which these surely are), YGWYPF. If it sounds too cheap, chances are it is, and you won't be happy with it. Hey, you asked! At 08:44 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote: >I am shopping for a new 18 inch diamond blade for my saw. does >anyone have experience with blades from UKAM industrial in Valencia >Ca? (UKAM.com). >I cut a lot of agate so I dont tink that an inexpensive blade sounds >like a good idea, but I dont want to spend a ton of money if I dont >have to. Any advice? >Russ Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 07:18:28 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Dec 1 07:18:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyramids made from concrete? Message-ID: The Times has an interesting article today: BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Dec 1 08:45:26 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Dec 1 08:45:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] dino egg nest news story Message-ID: Very interesting. And if this is as unique as it appears to be, hopefully it will end up in a museum and be available for appropriate study. Glenn From: Pmodreski@aol.com Subject: [Rockhounds] dino egg nest news story Rockhounds. I'm sure others will see this AP story about coming auction of a "whole dinosaur nest", but here it is: http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=061130&cat=science&st=scienced8lnob780&src=ap (http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=061130&cat=science&st=scienced8lnob780&src=ap) Pete _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Fri Dec 1 09:01:11 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:01:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyramids made from concrete? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8E3816FB81D29-730-683B@FWM-R21.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for that interesting story link, Bryan. You know what this means to me? It will make me feel a lot better for every time I've been shown a piece of rock from someone and I can't identify for sure what it is, including, as has actually happened a few times, even be sure whether it is a natural or man-made material. Since these various "experts" haven't been able to agree on this after studying it for decades, with all sorts of analytical techniques at their disposal! : ) Pete -----Original Message----- From: codeburner@gmail.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 8:18 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyramids made from concrete? The Times has an interesting article today: BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocks4u at prodigy.net Fri Dec 1 09:32:45 2006 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Fri Dec 1 09:41:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 inch diamond blade References: <456FB340.30000@provide.net> Message-ID: <025901c7156e$b718a520$fdf3fea9@WesMedion1918> I've used their blades with great success over a long period of time. I have found them to last longer than most blades in the same price range from other blade suppliers. I have them on 3 of my saws (18, 20 & 24) right now and they are doing a good job. I would recommend them. Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Ranker" To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 inch diamond blade >I am shopping for a new 18 inch diamond blade for my saw. does anyone have >experience with blades from UKAM industrial in Valencia Ca? (UKAM.com). > I cut a lot of agate so I dont tink that an inexpensive blade sounds like > a good idea, but I dont want to spend a ton of money if I dont have to. > Any advice? > Russ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Dec 1 10:14:27 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Dec 1 10:14:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Open Geoscience Positions at The Scripps Institution of Oceanography Message-ID: <001f01c71574$8abd4d40$64fbf604@TheBlackAdder> ************************************ Open Positions at The Scripps Institution of Oceanography From: David Hilton ************************************ The Scripps Institution of Oceanography http://scripps.ucsd.edu/ at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) in La Jolla, California, invites applications for several Institution-wide Post-Graduate Researcher (Postdoctoral Scholar) positions in all major areas of research conducted at Scripps, including physical, chemical and biological oceanography, marine geology, geochemistry and geophysics, marine chemistry, marine biology, marine biomedicine and ocean engineering. Specific areas of research might include, but are not limited to, global climate change, atmospheric chemistry, paleoclimate, large-scale ocean circulation, coastal oceanography and mixing, air/sea interactions, marine biodiversity, marine microbiology, marine genomics, earthquakes, geomagnetism, geodynamics and planetary physics. A list of Principal Investigators at Scripps may be found at http://scripps.ucsd.edu/research/researchers.cfm. Candidates should have a Ph.D. or should expect to complete their degree requirements by March, 2007. Current and former Scripps Post-Graduate Researchers are not eligible for these awards. Awards are competitive with a major emphasis on potential for independent, creative research. The positions are for one year, with renewal for a second year by mutual agreement, and include a minimum annual salary of $45,000, based on the University of California pay scale, plus benefits. Review of applications will begin on January 3, 2007. Applicants should fill out an online application form and upload a CV, a one-page summary of the doctoral thesis, and a statement of research interests (three page maximum) including potential PIs of interest at https://www.sio.ucsd.edu/sec/apply/. Applicants should also have two confidential letters of reference e-mailed to Marcelle Hawkins at mjhawkins@ucsd.edu. Written correspondence can be sent to: Chair, Scripps Institutional Postdoctoral Awards Committee c/o Marcelle Hawkins Scripps Institution of Oceanography University of California, San Diego 9500 Gilman Drive, MC0208 La Jolla, CA 92093-0208 UCSD is an equal opportunity employer, with a strong institutional commitment to excellence through diversity. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David R. Hilton Geosciences Research Division, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, La Jolla, California 92093-0244 USA Phone: 1 858 822 0639 (office); 822 0716 (lab) Fax: 1 858 822 3310 Lab webpage: http://hiltonlab.ucsd.edu FOR EXPRESS MAIL, PLEASE USE: David R. Hilton, Vaughan Hall 325 8675 Discovery Way Scripps Inst. Oceanography La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Dec 1 12:51:08 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Dec 1 12:51:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyramids made from concrete? In-Reply-To: <8C8E3816FB81D29-730-683B@FWM-R21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E3816FB81D29-730-683B@FWM-R21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah but they've been working from micro samples, if they had a fair size chunk they probably wouldn't be arguing. Why the Egyptians are resistant to testing the idea if strange to me. It would add to the reputation of the ancient egyptians to me if it was shown that they did some innovative thinking as opposed to using brute force. BK On 12/1/06, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for that interesting story link, Bryan. > > You know what this means to me? It will make me feel a lot better for > every time I've been shown a piece of rock from someone and I can't identify > for sure what it is, including, as has actually happened a few times, even > be sure whether it is a natural or man-made material. Since these various > "experts" haven't been able to agree on this after studying it for decades, > with all sorts of analytical techniques at their disposal! : ) > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: codeburner@gmail.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 8:18 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Pyramids made from concrete? > > > The Times has an interesting article today: > > > > BK > > -- J Bryan Kramer > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From earlrock at nctv.com Fri Dec 1 16:47:09 2006 From: earlrock at nctv.com (Earl) Date: Fri Dec 1 16:46:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromounter's Winter Gathering Message-ID: <002a01c715ab$672d4740$6401a8c0@earlbasement> Reminder The 6th Annual Winter Gathering of Micromounters is scheduled Feb. 23rd and 24th, 2007 make plans and reservations early. More information is available here: http://home.nctv.com/earlrock/wintermicro/index.html >From the information that I have, there are only 7 more rooms available in the village lodge. The theme of this gathering will be Lesser known mineral locations of the Southeast, and the Program Coordinator Julian Gray asks that anyone wishing to give an additional presentation contact him at juliang@weinmanmuseum.org Julian Gray, assisted by Dr. Henry Barwood, Don Reems, and Jason Smith will present the program, which will start Saturday morning at 9:00 A.M. regards, Earl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Dec 1 17:31:10 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Dec 1 17:31:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] dino egg nest news story References: Message-ID: <010a01c715b1$8c1b42e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Oviraptor is omnivore, hardly a terrible predator! The nest certainly does belong in a museum. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] dino egg nest news story > Rockhounds. > > I'm sure others will see this AP story about coming auction of a "whole > dinosaur nest", but here it is: > > _http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=061130&cat=science&st=scienced > 8lnob780&src=ap_ > (http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=061130&cat=science&st=scienced8lnob780&src=ap) > > Pete > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Dec 1 19:30:57 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 1 19:27:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for unusual mineral beads References: Message-ID: <4570F28F.3ADC@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, Have the folks at Sphere's To You cut small marbles http://www.spherestoyou.com/Sshoppe/marb.htm out of the desired minerals, and drill or wirewrap them to make beads. Make your own. Cut a bunch of rods (square or triangular shape) out of the desired minerals, drill them lengthwise, and tumble to make beads. Go easy on the coarse stage as you only want the sharp edges nicely rounded. A google search shows Sun Country Gems http://www.suncountrygems.com/Feldspar.html has feldspar beads. Searching their website, or contacting them, may find the specific mineral beads needed. Kreigh Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Perhaps someone on the List can suggest a source of help for this... > > A geologist friend of mine was asking me where she might find polished > gemstone beads, made of some of the more unusual minerals that are more commonly > seen as rock-forming minerals than as gemstones. For example, she was looking > for beads made of some of the varieties of feldspar, specifically such as > anorthite, andesine, oligoclase, and albite. I know where to find such things > as mineral specimens, but not as beads. I've tried to look online and in a > bead catalog, with no luck. Anyone have any ideas of a supplier I could > direct her to? (She's looking for just a few of each, not wholesale quantities.) > > Thanks, Pete From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Dec 1 19:56:46 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 1 19:53:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals {was: Radioactives Safety} References: <000001c7153e$cc782510$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <4570F89B.26E@Tomaszewski.net> Polonium does not occur in any currently recognized minerals. It was mentioned that Polonium would most likely appear as an oxide in natural conditions. Polonium is detectable in uranium containing minerals. To identify a new mineral you need enough of it to identify the crystal structure. Natural nuclear reactors are known http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor that could produce Polonium. In theory there should be a natural mineral containing polonium, and there could be native polonium metal, even if it is short lived, and very small. Kreigh Earl Verbeek wrote: > > > > Pete M: > > > BTW, I don't think it's quite correct to claim polonium as a native > metal. > > > As a natural daughter product, it can be called a naturally occurring > > > radioactive element... > > > > Don H: > > > > I think we were just talking about it being a "native element," as in, > > an element on the periodic table, which it is. I don't think it fits in > > the Dana list or IMA list of native elements, in the sense it is not a > > mineral-forming species, but that is splitting hairs (and I honestly > > don't have time to check right now). It is a short-lived and transient > > element, but then again there are some anthropogenic elements with > > half-lives less than a second, and they are also on the periodic > > table--though one wonders why time and money are spent creating such > > esoteric substances, but that is another matter. > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > An element on the periodic table is just that, an element. The term "native > element" as applied to mineralogy means that the element occurs naturally as > a mineral, as opposed to an impurity constituent of another mineral. The > term "native metal" is similar; it can fairly be applied to those native > elements that are, indeed, metals, but shouldn't be used for any metal that > does not form its own mineral. That is, "native metal" is not a synonym for > "naturally occurring metallic element". > > > > To have native polonium you'd have to find a naturally occurring mineral > that contains essential polonium as the dominant constituent - that is, > polonium uncombined with any other element, though perhaps alloyed with > subordinate amounts of other metals. I doubt that native polonium exists in > the sense that native gold, silver, copper, etc. do. > > > > Cheers- Earl From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Dec 1 21:11:54 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 1 21:12:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for unusual mineral beads Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions, Kreigh. I'll look at that website, and perhaps pass something on to the friend who's looking for this. (P.S., that url you gave, doesn't work; doesn't work with the Feldspar.html deleted, either). In a message dated 12/1/2006 8:27:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: http://www.suncountrygems.com/Feldspar.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapidry at aol.com Fri Dec 1 21:19:52 2006 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 1 21:19:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for unusual mineral beads Message-ID: Looks to be a temporary server problem. If you do a Google search on that URL, is shows up all over the place but none of the links work. Dan In a message dated 12/2/2006 12:12:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Pmodreski@aol.com writes: Thanks for the suggestions, Kreigh. I'll look at that website, and perhaps pass something on to the friend who's looking for this. (P.S., that url you gave, doesn't work; doesn't work with the Feldspar.html deleted, either). In a message dated 12/1/2006 8:27:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: http://www.suncountrygems.com/Feldspar.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Dec 2 10:46:09 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Dec 2 10:47:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals {was: Radioactives Safety} In-Reply-To: <4570F89B.26E@Tomaszewski.net> References: <000001c7153e$cc782510$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <4570F89B.26E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4571C9F1.4050905@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Polonium does not occur in any currently recognized minerals. ... More than anything, this discussion (including Earl's comments) has reminded me to hone semantic skills. I think we are all talking about the same thing, but expressing it differently. I think one of my errors was using the term "native element" as a synonym for "element." Many elements are never found in their native form. But polonium is a naturally occurring element, however briefly it may exist. OK, I think that horse has been well beaten. All the best, Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Dec 2 11:45:07 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 2 11:45:13 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals {was: Radioactives...) Message-ID: Don, & List, Please don't take this to be the "Dead Horse Dept.", but let me move on to a couple of comments about native elements. When I talk at schools or mineralogy classes about what minerals are, and I comment on native elements, I'll often talk about those elements that commonly occur as native elements (prominently, copper, silver, gold, sulfur), those that occur that way occasionally, but quite uncomonly compared to their occurence as minerals that are combined forms, chemical compounds (such as lead, arsenic, antimony, tin); and lastly, those elements that'd you'd probably never really expect to occur as native elements, not because they are overall rare, but because they so readily combine with oxygen, that you'd really not expect them to ever exist in their "native" form on Earth: for example, aluminum, silicon, and chromium. These latter native metals are of REALLY rare occurrence, but you can indeed find them listed in Mindat or the Glossary of Minerals, and they tend only to be reported, (a) in meteorites; (b) in extremely odd, low-oxygen or high-temperature environments, including very deep-seated ultramafic rocks, highly unusual hydrothermal veins, in contact with carbon (coal, inclusions in diamond), in fulgurites, and so on; (c) often in obscure papers published in Russia or China, which makes one wonder, are those scientists' observations REALLY correct, unambiguous, and reproducible? Pete (you know, one wonders if the aluminum wasn't a scrap from some beer cans melted in the miners' campfire) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 2 11:53:59 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Dec 2 11:53:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertisement!! References: <000001c7153e$cc782510$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21><4570F89B.26E@Tomaszewski.net> <4571C9F1.4050905@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7164b$9c3621a0$2cfbd24c@LarryRush> ConnRox annual Christmas sale............ Buy any mineral, get any other at half price! www.ConnRoxMinerals.com Larry Rush (BTW, if anyone wants to see either of my Christmas Rockhound poems, (How the Grinch Stole the Rockhounds Christmas; Twas the Night Before the Rockhound's Christmas), please write me off-line and I'll send them along) From rocknlight at aol.com Sat Dec 2 14:21:39 2006 From: rocknlight at aol.com (rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 2 14:21:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 inch diamond blade- UKAM BLADES NEVER BUY !! In-Reply-To: <025901c7156e$b718a520$fdf3fea9@WesMedion1918> References: <456FB340.30000@provide.net> <025901c7156e$b718a520$fdf3fea9@WesMedion1918> Message-ID: <8C8E4775F3502F7-174-11235@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> I have first hand experience with the people of UKAM blades NEVER EVER purchase anything from these unscrupulous untrustworthy scam artist people. They are not reputable sellers and if your blade ever has problems UKAM will simply tell you to F--- off. Buy a blade fro a reputable dealer who sells MK or call up and visit Kingsley North - MK blades are good and they back up their products and Kingsley North is a very reputable dealer. I would NEVER purchase from UKAM or anyone who carries the UKAM name... -----Original Message----- From: rocks4u@prodigy.net To: RRanker@provide.net; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] 18 inch diamond blade I've used their blades with great success over a long period of time. I have found them to last longer than most blades in the same price range from other blade suppliers. I have them on 3 of my saws (18, 20 & 24) right now and they are doing a good job. I would recommend them. Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Ranker" To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 inch diamond blade >I am shopping for a new 18 inch diamond blade for my saw. does anyone have >experience with blades from UKAM industrial in Valencia Ca? (UKAM.com). > I cut a lot of agate so I dont tink that an inexpensive blade sounds like > a good idea, but I dont want to spend a ton of money if I dont have to. > Any advice? > Russ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Dec 2 17:17:16 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 2 17:10:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals References: Message-ID: <4572240E.62BA@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, The flake of native aluminum in my collection came from a mud volcano in Azerbaijan. It was a great pleasure to find a reputable specimen of this rare native element. You are right in observing it comes from an odd geological environment. Aluminum metal is very soft and weak in the pure form. When people extract aluminum they mix it with other metals to make it harder and improve its mechanical properties. This makes it pretty easy for a lab to identify artifact aluminum. I learned this a couple years ago studying a metallic specimen Kitty and Bill found in lava in Hawaii. They had found a handful of metallic splats on fairly fresh lava and sent me one to see if I could identify it. After confirming it was metallic, and an alloy of some sort (not containing silver), I sent it off to a good lab to satisfy my curiosity. F2O (37.28%), ZnO (34.40%), Al2O3 (16.55%), MoO3 (3.89%), PbO (3.73%), Cl2O (3.44%, probably contaminate), and SiO2 (0.72%). Probably not a melted beer can, but close. Kreigh Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > When I talk at schools or mineralogy classes about what minerals are, and I > comment on native elements, I'll often talk about those elements that > commonly occur as native elements (prominently, copper, silver, gold, sulfur), those > that occur that way occasionally, but quite uncomonly compared to their > occurence as minerals that are combined forms, chemical compounds (such as lead, > arsenic, antimony, tin); and lastly, those elements that'd you'd probably > never really expect to occur as native elements, not because they are overall > rare, but because they so readily combine with oxygen, that you'd really not > expect them to ever exist in their "native" form on Earth: for example, > aluminum, silicon, and chromium. > > These latter native metals are of REALLY rare occurrence, but you can indeed > find them listed in Mindat or the Glossary of Minerals, and they tend only > to be reported, > (a) in meteorites; > (b) in extremely odd, low-oxygen or high-temperature environments, including > very deep-seated ultramafic rocks, highly unusual hydrothermal veins, in > contact with carbon (coal, inclusions in diamond), in fulgurites, and so on; > (c) often in obscure papers published in Russia or China, which makes one > wonder, are those scientists' observations REALLY correct, unambiguous, and > reproducible? > > Pete > > (you know, one wonders if the aluminum wasn't a scrap from some beer cans > melted in the miners' campfire) From RRanker at provide.net Sat Dec 2 18:27:18 2006 From: RRanker at provide.net (Russ Ranker) Date: Sat Dec 2 18:27:22 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 " blades Message-ID: <45723606.5030402@provide.net> Thanks for the input. I agree with Tim about cheap blades. As far as Chinese blades I would rather buy a one made in the U.S.A. Just a preference. Is there a meaningful difference between a segmented rim vs. a notched rim (Barranca 301)? Thanks again for the education. Russ From tim at orerockon.com Sat Dec 2 19:11:03 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Dec 2 19:11:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 18 " blades In-Reply-To: <45723606.5030402@provide.net> References: <45723606.5030402@provide.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20061202190717.03d4c390@orerockon.com> Notched rim blades excel at sloughing off cuttings, which makes them more jam-proof, that is what they are made for. I use notched rim MK blades on all my 14" & larger saws, and continuous rim MK blades on the 6-12" saws. I don't "do" segmented rim blades. I don't think there are any being made in the US anymore, they have gone the way of silicon carbide wheels, i.e. have been replaced by newer technologies, IMO. At 06:27 PM 12/2/2006, you wrote: >Thanks for the input. I agree with Tim about cheap blades. As far as >Chinese blades I would rather buy a one made in the U.S.A. Just a >preference. Is there a meaningful difference between a segmented rim >vs. a notched rim (Barranca 301)? >Thanks again for the education. >Russ Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From magnet at crocoite.com Sat Dec 2 21:22:44 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Sat Dec 2 21:22:55 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New additions to auction... Message-ID: <20061203052244.3619.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all Due to work commitments, it's been very difficult to get time to look at minerals, let alone post some new specimens on OZtion. However I have managed to post a few new Australian ones this weekend, including another wulfenite from Whim Creek, a Brown's Prospect specimen, and a few overseas specimens. The latter includes a Polish celestine and sulphur, and a nice cerussite from Mibladen. You can find the items by following the link from the RockRoom at crocoite.com (http://www.crocoite.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=7&Itemid=37) or directly to OZtion at http://www.oztion.com.au/OA/browse/oa_browse.aspx?type5=crocoite Regards Steve From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 2 22:25:53 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 2 22:25:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals Message-ID: <120320060625.10649.45726DF0000F0DBA00002999216028074107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Now, what was a flake of aluminum doing in a mud volcano? Strange things in this world. [Are we sure it wasn't in fact a beer can? Do people throw beer cans in mud volcanoes?] When I was composing that last email, I had looked up aluminum on mindat (noticed that it used the English spelling; the main section for that mineral entry is under "aluminium"), and they have a picture of a nugget "a lead and native aluminum microintergrowth", and it's from "the classic native aluminum locality", Locality: Kumak ore field, Orenburgskaya Oblast', Urals Region, Russia It still boggles my mind that native aluminum can form in any kind of rocks! Maybe it is fragments of a crashed alien paleo-spaceship. P.S., in that analysis of the metallic-looking material from Kilauea--I believe we all discussed this before, online--you made I assume a typo in what you typed in this email, you wrote "F2O", which was maybe supposed to be FeO? Pete -------------- Original message from Kreigh Tomaszewski : -------------- > Pete, > > The flake of native aluminum in my collection came from a mud volcano in > Azerbaijan. It was a great pleasure to find a reputable specimen of this > rare native element. You are right in observing it comes from an odd > geological environment. > > Aluminum metal is very soft and weak in the pure form. When people > extract aluminum they mix it with other metals to make it harder and > improve its mechanical properties. This makes it pretty easy for a lab > to identify artifact aluminum. > > I learned this a couple years ago studying a metallic specimen Kitty and > Bill found in lava in Hawaii. They had found a handful of metallic > splats on fairly fresh lava and sent me one to see if I could identify > it. After confirming it was metallic, and an alloy of some sort (not > containing silver), I sent it off to a good lab to satisfy my curiosity. > > F2O (37.28%), ZnO (34.40%), Al2O3 (16.55%), MoO3 (3.89%), PbO (3.73%), > Cl2O (3.44%, probably contaminate), and SiO2 (0.72%). > > Probably not a melted beer can, but close. > > Kreigh > > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > When I talk at schools or mineralogy classes about what minerals are, and I > > comment on native elements, I'll often talk about those elements that > > commonly occur as native elements (prominently, copper, silver, gold, sulfur), > those > > that occur that way occasionally, but quite uncomonly compared to their > > occurence as minerals that are combined forms, chemical compounds (such as > lead, > > arsenic, antimony, tin); and lastly, those elements that'd you'd probably > > never really expect to occur as native elements, not because they are overall > > rare, but because they so readily combine with oxygen, that you'd really not > > expect them to ever exist in their "native" form on Earth: for example, > > aluminum, silicon, and chromium. > > > > These latter native metals are of REALLY rare occurrence, but you can indeed > > find them listed in Mindat or the Glossary of Minerals, and they tend only > > to be reported, > > (a) in meteorites; > > (b) in extremely odd, low-oxygen or high-temperature environments, including > > very deep-seated ultramafic rocks, highly unusual hydrothermal veins, in > > contact with carbon (coal, inclusions in diamond), in fulgurites, and so on; > > (c) often in obscure papers published in Russia or China, which makes one > > wonder, are those scientists' observations REALLY correct, unambiguous, and > > reproducible? > > > > Pete > > > > (you know, one wonders if the aluminum wasn't a scrap from some beer cans > > melted in the miners' campfire) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Sun Dec 3 05:11:09 2006 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Sun Dec 3 05:11:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals In-Reply-To: <4572240E.62BA@Tomaszewski.net> References: <4572240E.62BA@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4572CCED.1020601@ptd.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >Pete, > >The flake of native aluminum in my collection came from a mud volcano in >Azerbaijan. It was a great pleasure to find a reputable specimen of this >rare native element. You are right in observing it comes from an odd >geological environment. > > >I learned this a couple years ago studying a metallic specimen Kitty and >Bill found in lava in Hawaii. They had found a handful of metallic >splats on fairly fresh lava and sent me one to see if I could identify >it. After confirming it was metallic, and an alloy of some sort (not >containing silver), I sent it off to a good lab to satisfy my curiosity. > >F2O (37.28%), ZnO (34.40%), Al2O3 (16.55%), MoO3 (3.89%), PbO (3.73%), >Cl2O (3.44%, probably contaminate), and SiO2 (0.72%). > >Probably not a melted beer can, but close. > > > Thank you so much for the update on the composition of the metallic "splats" that bill and kitty found. I thought it possible that we should never learn the composition of the material. Makes me wonder now if they all had similar or varying composition. Even so, it must be very nice to be able to observe such a thing. From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 3 07:22:16 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Dec 3 07:22:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals References: <120320060625.10649.45726DF0000F0DBA00002999216028074107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <002701c716ee$d16408d0$ecdc2c4b@LarryRush> Pete: I am curious as to why you find it odd that native aluminum should not be found in nature. Since the element is common as compounds in many types of rocks, including igneous, (feldspars, beryl, topaz, etc.) why should it not be found as a native mineral? I am not that well versed on the chemistry to understand this. Is there something about it's affinity for other elements that it can never be found as elemental? Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals > Now, what was a flake of aluminum doing in a mud volcano? Strange things > in this world. [Are we sure it wasn't in fact a beer can? Do people > throw beer cans in mud volcanoes?] > > When I was composing that last email, I had looked up aluminum on mindat > (noticed that it used the English spelling; the main section for that > mineral entry is under "aluminium"), and they have a picture of a nugget > "a lead and native aluminum microintergrowth", and it's from "the classic > native aluminum locality", Locality: Kumak ore field, Orenburgskaya > Oblast', Urals Region, Russia > It still boggles my mind that native aluminum can form in any kind of > rocks! Maybe it is fragments of a crashed alien paleo-spaceship. > > P.S., in that analysis of the metallic-looking material from Kilauea--I > believe we all discussed this before, online--you made I assume a typo in > what you typed in this email, you wrote "F2O", which was maybe supposed to > be FeO? > > Pete > > > -------------- Original message from Kreigh Tomaszewski > : -------------- > > >> Pete, >> >> The flake of native aluminum in my collection came from a mud volcano in >> Azerbaijan. It was a great pleasure to find a reputable specimen of this >> rare native element. You are right in observing it comes from an odd >> geological environment. >> >> Aluminum metal is very soft and weak in the pure form. When people >> extract aluminum they mix it with other metals to make it harder and >> improve its mechanical properties. This makes it pretty easy for a lab >> to identify artifact aluminum. >> >> I learned this a couple years ago studying a metallic specimen Kitty and >> Bill found in lava in Hawaii. They had found a handful of metallic >> splats on fairly fresh lava and sent me one to see if I could identify >> it. After confirming it was metallic, and an alloy of some sort (not >> containing silver), I sent it off to a good lab to satisfy my curiosity. >> >> F2O (37.28%), ZnO (34.40%), Al2O3 (16.55%), MoO3 (3.89%), PbO (3.73%), >> Cl2O (3.44%, probably contaminate), and SiO2 (0.72%). >> >> Probably not a melted beer can, but close. >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >> > When I talk at schools or mineralogy classes about what minerals are, >> > and I >> > comment on native elements, I'll often talk about those elements that >> > commonly occur as native elements (prominently, copper, silver, gold, >> > sulfur), >> those >> > that occur that way occasionally, but quite uncomonly compared to their >> > occurence as minerals that are combined forms, chemical compounds (such >> > as >> lead, >> > arsenic, antimony, tin); and lastly, those elements that'd you'd >> > probably >> > never really expect to occur as native elements, not because they are >> > overall >> > rare, but because they so readily combine with oxygen, that you'd >> > really not >> > expect them to ever exist in their "native" form on Earth: for example, >> > aluminum, silicon, and chromium. >> > >> > These latter native metals are of REALLY rare occurrence, but you can >> > indeed >> > find them listed in Mindat or the Glossary of Minerals, and they tend >> > only >> > to be reported, >> > (a) in meteorites; >> > (b) in extremely odd, low-oxygen or high-temperature environments, >> > including >> > very deep-seated ultramafic rocks, highly unusual hydrothermal veins, >> > in >> > contact with carbon (coal, inclusions in diamond), in fulgurites, and >> > so on; >> > (c) often in obscure papers published in Russia or China, which makes >> > one >> > wonder, are those scientists' observations REALLY correct, unambiguous, >> > and >> > reproducible? >> > >> > Pete >> > >> > (you know, one wonders if the aluminum wasn't a scrap from some beer >> > cans >> > melted in the miners' campfire) >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Dec 3 08:18:33 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 3 08:18:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals Message-ID: In a message dated 12/3/2006 8:23:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: Pete: I am curious as to why you find it odd that native aluminum should not be found in nature. Since the element is common as compounds in many types of rocks, including igneous, (feldspars, beryl, topaz, etc.) why should it not be found as a native mineral? I am not that well versed on the chemistry to understand this. Is there something about it's affinity for other elements that it can never be found as elemental? Larry Rush Larry & List, Aluminum is an element with a very strong affinity to combine with oxygen, and forms very strong chemical bonds with oxygen, so that when you start with aluminum all combined as oxygen compounds (as it is in the crust of the earth), it is very difficult to decompose them and produce the free metal. The very excellent chemistry web site, webelements.com (check it out), after presenting some very good data on the abundance and occurrence of aluminum in the Earth, concludes with this final paragraph: Notes Aluminium metal is not found as the free element, however, aluminium is an abundant element in the earth's crust. The most important ore is bauxite. Aluminum, though a very common element in the earth, was not produced as the pure metal until 1825, requiring some fairly extraordinary and difficult chemical procedures, again from Webelements: Aluminium was first isolated by Hans Christian Oersted in 1825 who reacted aluminium chloride (AlCl3) with potassium amalgam (an alloy of potassium and mercury). Heating the resulting aluminium amalgam under reduced pressure caused the mercury to boil away leaving aluminium metal. Aluminum was a very expensive laboratory curiosity until 1886 when Hall perfected a process to produce it electrolytically (passing electrical current through aluminum ore dissolved in molten cryolite), and it then became readily available for the many uses it has today; pre-1886 (from Wikipedia), this was done in 1884: Aluminium was selected as the material to be used for the apex of the _Washington Monument_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument) , at a time when one _ounce_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ounce) cost twice the daily wages of a common worker in the project; aluminium was a semiprecious metal at that time._[4]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#_note-http:.2F.2Fwww.tms.org.2Fpubs.2Fjournals.2FJOM.2F9511.2FBinczewski-9511.html) Iron is much easier to produce from its ores than aluminum is. The reason that aluminum does not "rust" the way iron does, is another classic example in chemistry, of a "protective layer". With its strong affinity for oxygen, the surface of any piece of aluminum quickly forms a microscopically thin layer of oxygen atoms bonded to aluminum, forming a micro-layer of aluminum oxide (corundum) which is very tough and inert, and prevents any further oxidation of the metal underneath; and even keeps the aluminum looking bright and shiny. So any, since aluminum is so hard to separate from oxygen by human processes, it's not surprising that it hardly ever occurs in native form in nature. Hence, it's surprising to me that it ever occurs in native form. I haven't read the literature describing those rare known occurrences in Russia, so I really can't comment at this point on "why they exist". I'm not trying to deny that they are real (Kreigh's flake of aluminum from the mud volcano), I'm just remaining a tad bit skeptical about it. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 3 08:32:35 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Dec 3 08:32:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals References: Message-ID: <001201c716f8$a42ab030$ecdc2c4b@LarryRush> Thanks very much, Pete! Larry ================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Native elements, native metals > > In a message dated 12/3/2006 8:23:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, > larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: > > Pete: I am curious as to why you find it odd that native aluminum should > not > be found in nature. Since the element is common as compounds in many > types > of rocks, including igneous, (feldspars, beryl, topaz, etc.) why should > it > not be found as a native mineral? I am not that well versed on the > chemistry > to understand this. Is there something about it's affinity for other > elements that it can never be found as elemental? > > Larry Rush > > > > Larry & List, > > Aluminum is an element with a very strong affinity to combine with oxygen, > and forms very strong chemical bonds with oxygen, so that when you start > with > aluminum all combined as oxygen compounds (as it is in the crust of the > earth), it is very difficult to decompose them and produce the free > metal. > > The very excellent chemistry web site, webelements.com (check it out), > after > presenting some very good data on the abundance and occurrence of aluminum > in the Earth, concludes with this final paragraph: > > Notes > Aluminium metal is not found as the free element, however, aluminium is > an > abundant element in the earth's crust. The most important ore is bauxite. > Aluminum, though a very common element in the earth, was not produced as > the > pure metal until 1825, requiring some fairly extraordinary and difficult > chemical procedures, again from Webelements: > Aluminium was first isolated by Hans Christian Oersted in 1825 who > reacted > aluminium chloride (AlCl3) with potassium amalgam (an alloy of potassium > and > mercury). Heating the resulting aluminium amalgam under reduced pressure > caused the mercury to boil away leaving aluminium metal. > Aluminum was a very expensive laboratory curiosity until 1886 when Hall > perfected a process to produce it electrolytically (passing electrical > current > through aluminum ore dissolved in molten cryolite), and it then became > readily > available for the many uses it has today; pre-1886 (from Wikipedia), this > was > done in 1884: > Aluminium was selected as the material to be used for the apex of the > _Washington Monument_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument) , > at a time > when one _ounce_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ounce) cost twice the > daily > wages of a common worker in the project; aluminium was a semiprecious > metal > at that time._[4]_ > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#_note-http:.2F.2Fwww.tms.org.2Fpubs.2Fjournals.2FJOM.2F9511.2FBinczewski-9511.html) > Iron is much easier to produce from its ores than aluminum is. The > reason > that aluminum does not "rust" the way iron does, is another classic > example in > chemistry, of a "protective layer". With its strong affinity for oxygen, > the surface of any piece of aluminum quickly forms a microscopically thin > layer > of oxygen atoms bonded to aluminum, forming a micro-layer of aluminum > oxide > (corundum) which is very tough and inert, and prevents any further > oxidation > of the metal underneath; and even keeps the aluminum looking bright and > shiny. > So any, since aluminum is so hard to separate from oxygen by human > processes, > it's not surprising that it hardly ever occurs in native form in nature. > Hence, it's surprising to me that it ever occurs in native form. I > haven't > read the literature describing those rare known occurrences in Russia, so > I > really can't comment at this point on "why they exist". I'm not trying > to deny > that they are real (Kreigh's flake of aluminum from the mud volcano), I'm > just remaining a tad bit skeptical about it. > Pete > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Dec 3 08:38:38 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 3 08:38:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Native aluminum Message-ID: P.S., Larry and List, Sorry for the crumby way my post came out looking, is that the way it gets formated when I post something via aol (the url's and paragraphs pasted from the websites)? Yucchh, very hard to read, sorry. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 3 17:16:03 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 3 17:13:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] EO-1 Smart Satellite Discovered Volcano Eruption Message-ID: <45737619.239F@Tomaszewski.net> In April the dormant Indonesian volcano Talang awoke. The EO-1 Smart Satellite noticed the change, reorganized its priorities, and started closely monitoring the eruption before volcanologists were alerted. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26oct_sensorweb.htm From ROCKCURRIER at cs.com Mon Dec 4 09:58:31 2006 From: ROCKCURRIER at cs.com (ROCKCURRIER@cs.com) Date: Mon Dec 4 09:58:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3 Message-ID: Here is something I wrote about Aluminum a while ago that might be relevant to the thread about aluminum. *Aluminum Rare species collections. Al, A native metallic element. Aluminum has now been found in several localities in Russia and elsewhere. It has been found in diatremes in Kazakhstan and a skarn deposit at Taror, Tajikistan and in epithermal veins at Nikitovka Mercury deposit, Ukraine. Also found in a lunar rock. Initially there were many in Russia and elsewhere who felt that native aluminum was reported in error. Even the late and highly venerated Michael Fleischer commented "This seems extremely improbable from thermodynamic considerations." Translating this from the polite academic comment into the common vernacular it means "No fu----- way!" Dmitry Belakovsky of the Fersman Museum in Moscow thought he had discovered native aluminum in some charoite samples he was working on. It turned out however that the aluminum was from the aluminum foil that the miners had used to wrap the explosives they were using when blasting the charoite out of the deposit. This and other reasons made it difficult for many researchers to believe that native aluminum had actually been discovered. Dimitry assures me however that he has seen some specimens of aluminum in matrix that are certainly authentic. The best of these might be like a tiny bit of tinfoil in rock. 1 American Mineralogist, Vol. 65, p205, 1980. Russia Southern Ural Mountains, Orenburg Oblast, Kumak Deposit. Material was found in quartz veins. The best specimen was a 3 cm piece of gray white quartz with a thin sheet of native aluminum measuring about 5 mm across.1 The specimen is in the Fersman Museum in Moscow. 1 Dmitry Belakovsky, personal communication 2002. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Dec 4 10:07:37 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Dec 4 10:08:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: ADMIN Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061204080417.03998a78@mail.hawaiiantel.net> ADMIN reminder: to those of you who are on the Digest format, please change the title in the Subject line to match the message to which you are responding. Thanks, Kitty (Admin Team member) At 07:58 AM 12/4/2006, ROCKCURRIER wrote: >Here is something I wrote about Aluminum a while ago that might be relevant >to the thread about aluminum. From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Dec 4 10:50:07 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 4 10:50:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: native aluminum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8E5EC270F1894-EAC-A1BC@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for reposting those comments about the native aluminum occurrences, Rock, they are interesting! I'm still going with the hypothesis of aluminum from an ancient alien spacecraft that crashed into a subduction zone trench and was buried, metamorphosed, and re-emplaced in hydrothermal veins. By that hypothesis, we should also look for native titanium and carbon-fiber composites in the same veins. Pete -----Original Message----- From: ROCKCURRIER@cs.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:58 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3 Here is something I wrote about Aluminum a while ago that might be relevant to the thread about aluminum. *Aluminum Rare species collections. Al, A native metallic element. Aluminum has now been found in several localities in Russia and elsewhere. It has been found in diatremes in Kazakhstan and a skarn deposit at Taror, Tajikistan and in epithermal veins at Nikitovka Mercury deposit, Ukraine. Also found in a lunar rock. Initially there were many in Russia and elsewhere who felt that native aluminum was reported in error. Even the late and highly venerated Michael Fleischer commented "This seems extremely improbable from thermodynamic considerations." Translating this from the polite academic comment into the common vernacular it means "No fu----- way!" Dmitry Belakovsky of the Fersman Museum in Moscow thought he had discovered native aluminum in some charoite samples he was working on. It turned out however that the aluminum was from the aluminum foil that the miners had used to wrap the explosives they were using when blasting the charoite out of the deposit. This and other reasons made it difficult for many researchers to believe that native aluminum had actually been discovered. Dimitry assures me however that he has seen some specimens of aluminum in matrix that are certainly authentic. The best of these might be like a tiny bit of tinfoil in rock. 1 American Mineralogist, Vol. 65, p205, 1980. Russia Southern Ural Mountains, Orenburg Oblast, Kumak Deposit. Material was found in quartz veins. The best specimen was a 3 cm piece of gray white quartz with a thin sheet of native aluminum measuring about 5 mm across.1 The specimen is in the Fersman Museum in Moscow. 1 Dmitry Belakovsky, personal communication 2002. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Dec 4 18:05:43 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 4 17:59:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3 References: Message-ID: <4574D26D.7828@Tomaszewski.net> ROCKCURRIER@cs.com wrote: > Michael Fleischer commented "This seems extremely improbable from > thermodynamic considerations." Thanks for sharing Rock! I needed a good laugh. Kreigh From jr50wv at yahoo.com Mon Dec 4 20:08:22 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Mon Dec 4 20:08:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Organic material in meteorite Message-ID: <17955.92890.qm@web56305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi: Here's an interesting link to a story about a meteorite that landed in Canada recently, I remember reading about the fall and recovery: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061130-meteorite.html Turns out this one is the lowest density meteorite ever found, and it had globules of organic material inside. Check it out. Stranger than native aluminium! JR --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Dec 4 21:37:54 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Dec 4 21:38:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 Message-ID: <457505B2.9030308@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, I'm curious, did any one attend the Bonhams and Butterfields Natural History Auction in L.A. (CA) this last weekend? If so, what were your impressions? For those of you who may not know of this auction, please consider viewing the online catalog at... http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=catalogue&iSaleNo=14046 One of the auction highlights was an early collection of Bisbee, Arizona specimens. All the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Dec 4 23:32:48 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Dec 4 23:33:41 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] New book on large calderas Message-ID: <008601c7183f$90d7da60$5afbf604@TheBlackAdder> **************************** Announcing a new book on large calderas from the Geological Society of London, Special Publication 269. From: Christopher Kilburn **************************** Mechanisms of Activity and Unrest at Large Calderas. Edited by Claudia Troise, Giuseppe De Natale & Christopher Kilburn. >From the back cover: Large caldera collapses represent catastrophic natural events, second only to large meteoritic impacts. In addition, some calderas are densely populated, making the risk extreme, even for moderate eruptions. Understanding caldera mechanisms, unrest and the danger of eruption is therefore a crucial challenge for Earth sciences. Several key features of caldera behaviour have yet to be fully understood. Through a combination of case studies and theoretical modelling, the following topics are addressed: the conditions required to produce and to release large volumes of magma erupted during caldera formation; how magmatic feeding systems evolve before and after a caldera has formed; the processes that limit the behaviour of precursors to eruptions; how pre-eruptive precursors can be distinguished from those that drive unrest without an eruption; and given that post-collapse eruptions may occur across a wide area, the optimum procedures for designing hazard maps and mitigation strategies. To order, please visit the Geological Society's online bookshop, http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/bookshop, or visit the Geological Society's stand at the AGU Fall Meeting, 11-15 December. Christopher Kilburn Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre Department of Earth Sciences University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT, UK T: +44-(0)20-7679 7194 F: +44-(0)20-7679 2390 E: c.kilburn@ucl.ac.uk Visit our websites at www.benfieldhrc.org and www.earthsciences.ucl.ac.uk --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Tue Dec 5 04:15:52 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Tue Dec 5 04:16:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Marshite, Broken Hill... Message-ID: <20061205121552.5144.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all I have an excellent old-time marshite for sale. You can see some photos of the specimen on Mindat here --> http://www.mindat.org/photo-81943.html I will be seeking registrations of interest. Please reply to me off-list at steve@crocoite.com if you are seriously interested in this piece. Regards Steve From luka2 at telkomsa.net Tue Dec 5 10:36:05 2006 From: luka2 at telkomsa.net (Luka Berkovic) Date: Tue Dec 5 10:37:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Green Aventurine Message-ID: <000001c7189c$5b692250$7846ef9b@luka> Would anyone be interested in purchasing green Aventurine from South Africa, it is a new find and they have got amazing colour pls mail me if you are interested. Luka2@telkomsa.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 12:06:34 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Dec 5 12:06:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <704790.23623.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll be updating my website later today. This month I've added phosphates from Alabama, some interesting material from the Red Oak Quarry in Georgia, and some Australian material. The rest of the first shipment of the Drysr collectionis now listed, and more thumbnails have been added to all 3 pages Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 12:16:14 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Dec 5 12:16:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <736578.39186.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't know whether this went out the first time, so I'm resending. My apologies if you get it twice! I'll be updating my website later today. This month I've added phosphates from Alabama, some interesting material from the Red Oak Quarry in Georgia, and some Australian material. The rest of the first shipment of the Dryer collection is now listed, and more thumbnails have been added to all three pages. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Dec 5 18:52:18 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Dec 5 18:52:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 Message-ID: Impressive and interesting. Glenn > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:37:54 -0800> From: j&gcornish@tenforward.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046> > Hi Everyone,> > I'm curious, did any one attend the Bonhams and Butterfields Natural > History Auction in L.A. (CA) this last weekend? If so, what were your > impressions?> > For those of you who may not know of this auction, please consider > viewing the online catalog at...> http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=catalogue&iSaleNo=14046> > One of the auction highlights was an early collection of Bisbee, Arizona > specimens.> > All the very best,> > John> > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Dec 5 21:28:28 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 5 21:28:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 Message-ID: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog gave, were really overblown. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Tue Dec 5 23:17:50 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Tue Dec 5 23:17:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Availability of New Book on Iceland Geodynamics Message-ID: <004001c71906$a3ecece0$9bfff604@TheBlackAdder> ******************************** AVAILABILITY OF NEW BOOK ON ICELAND GEODYNAMICS From: Robert I. Tilling ******************************** Iceland is one of the few?as well as the largest, well-exposed, and readily accessible?areas where Earth?s mid-oceanic ridge system emerges above sea level. Because of this unique geologic setting, Iceland serves as an ideal natural laboratory for comprehensive, multi-disciplinary investigations of the active tectonic and volcanic processes associated with divergent plate boundaries, along which about 75 % of the world?s lava is erupted. Since it tops an inferred hotspot, Iceland also affords a diagnostic locale to study the processes and products of the interaction between a mantle plume and a mid-ocean ridge. Thus, the monitoring, characterization, and interpretation of the seismicity, crustal deformation, and volcanism in Iceland have immense transfer value in understanding comparable dynamic processes operative along other segments of the global 65,000 km-long mid-oceanic ridge system?mostly hidden deep beneath the sea and logistically challenging for detailed study. For the reasons mentioned above, anyone interested in the tectonics and volcanic activity along divergent plate boundaries will find quite useful a recently published book by Dr. Freysteinn Sigmundsson that succinctly synthesizes in a single volume the results of numerous diverse studies made in Iceland in recent decades. The title of his book is: ICELAND GEODYNAMICS: Crustal Deformation and Divergent Plate Tectonics (2006, Springer-Praxis, Chichester, U.K., 209 pp not counting a 22-page section of color illustrations; $ 169.00, as priced on ). Formal reviews of this book doubtless will be forthcoming in the coming months, but I simply wish to inform the volcanologic community of the availability of this new reference work and to make some informal comments. After completing his Ph.D. (1992) with Prof. Roger Bilham at the University of Colorado, Dr. Sigmundsson worked at the Nordic Volcanological Institute through 2004 (five years as Director, 1999-2004); he now is with the Nordic Volcanological Centre (Institute of Earth Sciences, University of Iceland). Throughout his career, he has focused on studies of crustal deformation and volcanology, and, not surprisingly, this research thrust?utilizing conventional and satellite-based geodetic techniques?pervades the book. While the linking common thread of the book is clearly the monitoring of crustal deformation, Sigmundsson nonetheless nicely balances his treatment by furnishing relevant geological, seismological, and volcanological contexts. The breadth of the book is evident from the wide range of topics covered in the nine chapters: 1) Introduction; 2) Mantle plume-mid-ocean ridge interaction in the North Atlantic; 3) Tectonic framework; 4) Crustal structure of Iceland; 5) Volcano dynamics; 6) The plate-spreading deformation cycle; 7) Breaking the crust: Seismicity and faulting; 8) Glacial isostasy and sea-level change: Rapid vertical movements and changes in volcanic production rates; and 9) Iceland geodynamics: Outlook. In addition to a list of abbreviations and a brief index, the book also contains two useful appendices: Appendix A. The Icelandic Language (providing examples of transliterations of Icelandic names for people and places); and Appendix B. Notation (of variables in formulae that appear in the book). Like seemingly all Icelandic scientists, Freysteinn Sigmundsson has a masterful command of the English language even though it is not his native tongue. Consequently, his tersely, but clearly, written slim volume packs a wealth of information about the current state of knowledge about Iceland geodynamics. There are no superfluous words in his book! An added bonus is that Sigmudsson?s summary is not only comprehensive but also fully up-to-date, including the thoughtful analysis of studies published in the scientific literature as recently as 2005. For example, in discussions concerning the inferred Iceland mantle plume, Sigmundsson considers the divergent points expressed in the current, ongoing vigorous scientific debate about the existence, configuration (deep vs. non-deep), fixity, and longevity of mantle plumes, as well as alternative models to explain Iceland and other hotspots. In the Preface (p. xi), Sigmundsson hopes that his ??book will provide a useful overview of selected aspects of Iceland geodynamics and crustal deformation, provide insights into the physical processes of spreading and related processes in general, and stimulate further research on how the Earth deforms.? In my opinion, there is no doubt whatsoever that his hope will be fully realized. ?Robert I. Tilling, Scientist Emeritus, Volcano Hazards Team U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, California 94025, U.S.A. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 6 06:52:41 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 6 06:52:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 In-Reply-To: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> References: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> Message-ID: <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> Hi Pete, You think? (... and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) After seeing the Frelich Auction and reviewing the purchase prices received for many of those specimens, are they really so overblown? I have not yet been able to review the results of the auction, but I see that they are online now at... http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=ResultsXML&iSaleNo=14046 I'll be interested to compare. Say Pete, while I've got ya here, just a quick pat on the back for all you do here!!!! Take care everyone, John Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog gave, were >really overblown. > >Pete > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 06:57:57 2006 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Dec 6 06:58:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 In-Reply-To: <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> References: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040612060657x6c7fc4aaif08b2b49e8fa1036@mail.gmail.com> John, Your original link has the updated, actual prices paid... http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=catalogue&iSaleNo=14046 Drew On 12/6/06, John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > You think? (... and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) After seeing the > Frelich Auction and reviewing the purchase prices received for many of > those specimens, are they really so overblown? I have not yet been able > to review the results of the auction, but I see that they are online now > at... > > > http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=ResultsXML&iSaleNo=14046 > > I'll be interested to compare. > > Say Pete, while I've got ya here, just a quick pat on the back for all > you do here!!!! > > Take care everyone, > > John > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > >Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog > gave, were > >really overblown. > > > >Pete > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 6 07:07:04 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 6 07:07:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Summer Storm claim, Custer County, Idaho Message-ID: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, As many of you will remember, after the Denver Show, I headed over to Idaho to mine our Rat's Nest Claim, while there, I had several friends come to visit. One of these, Chris Tucker, wrote up his experiences which I linked to in an earlier letter. Now, Chris has written another online paper regarding our other claim there, Summer Storm. If you would like to read of his impressions, please consider viewing the following link... http://www.christuckerminerals.com/summer_storm.htm All the very best, take care, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SHMM at sussexonline.com Wed Dec 6 08:21:25 2006 From: SHMM at sussexonline.com (Earl Verbeek) Date: Wed Dec 6 08:21:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 In-Reply-To: <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <000001c71952$943da8b0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Hello John, The prices appear all over the map to me -- many higher than I'd like to see, but some a comparative bargain. I've seen worse . . . But what really got to me was Lot no. 8026, in which a large and fine Bisbee azurite specimen measuring 9.5 x 8 x 8 inches was described as "good cutting material". Yikes!! This is an unusually large, unusually fine azurite specimen in pristine condition, so let's hope it remains in one piece with its new (and subsequent) owners. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@sussexonline.com Hi Pete, You think? (... and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) After seeing the Frelich Auction and reviewing the purchase prices received for many of those specimens, are they really so overblown? Take care everyone, John Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog gave, were >really overblown. > >Pete > From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Dec 6 08:54:55 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 08:55:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 In-Reply-To: <7aac8040612060657x6c7fc4aaif08b2b49e8fa1036@mail.gmail.com> References: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> <7aac8040612060657x6c7fc4aaif08b2b49e8fa1036@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C8E76E642BC2D6-304-344C@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for pointing out that the sale prices are now posted, Drew. I see that the "estimates" are now removed though, for the items that sold; it would have been interesting to compare them. But overall, I guess I stand corrected, the sale prices really were quite high, and probably around the ballpark of the quoted estimates. I still question whether a great many of these specimens are worth what was paid; but then again, I'm just a simple geologist and homey-type mineral collector, who still has a hard time comprehending the high prices of mineral specimens these days! For example, take, one of the more humble items sold in the auction, Lot No: 8044 Malachite and Chrysocolla on matrix which it says sold for $150 (plus premium and tax). To me it looks like a very ordinary, not especially "displayable", rock, 8.5 inches long, with a little drusy, kind of scruffy-looking crust of those copper minerals; almost "yard rock" quality. Worth $150?--well, personally, I don't think so. Cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: dr00bert@gmail.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 John, Your original link has the updated, actual prices paid... http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=catalogue&iSaleNo=14046 Drew On 12/6/06, John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > You think? (... and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) After seeing the > Frelich Auction and reviewing the purchase prices received for many of > those specimens, are they really so overblown? I have not yet been able > to review the results of the auction, but I see that they are online now > at... > > > http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=ResultsXML&iSaleNo=14046 > > I'll be interested to compare. > > Say Pete, while I've got ya here, just a quick pat on the back for all > you do here!!!! > > Take care everyone, > > John > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > >Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog > gave, were > >really overblown. > > > >Pete > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Dec 6 08:59:13 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 08:59:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046, P.S. In-Reply-To: <7aac8040612060657x6c7fc4aaif08b2b49e8fa1036@mail.gmail.com> References: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> <7aac8040612060657x6c7fc4aaif08b2b49e8fa1036@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C8E76EFDB20EC4-304-34A7@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> P.S. on the auction, I meant to comment, I saw that the cover of the catalog shows a nest of dinosaur eggs; is that the same one that was the subject of the recent news story, about people hoping it would go to a museum? It looks about the same. And, has anyone scrolled through the fossil listings to find where this was listed, and whether it sold, and for what? Curious, Pete -----Original Message----- From: dr00bert@gmail.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 John, Your original link has the updated, actual prices paid... http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=catalogue&iSaleNo=14046 Drew On 12/6/06, John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > > Hi Pete, > > You think? (... and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) After seeing the > Frelich Auction and reviewing the purchase prices received for many of > those specimens, are they really so overblown? I have not yet been able > to review the results of the auction, but I see that they are online now > at... > > > http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=ResultsXML&iSaleNo=14046 > > I'll be interested to compare. > > Say Pete, while I've got ya here, just a quick pat on the back for all > you do here!!!! > > Take care everyone, > > John > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > >Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog > gave, were > >really overblown. > > > >Pete > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 09:17:30 2006 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Dec 6 09:17:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046, P.S. In-Reply-To: <8C8E76EFDB20EC4-304-34A7@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> References: <38e.ff2ffee.32a7aefc@aol.com> <4576D939.9060700@tenforward.com> <7aac8040612060657x6c7fc4aaif08b2b49e8fa1036@mail.gmail.com> <8C8E76EFDB20EC4-304-34A7@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040612060917x7724970ax72835604049a52a4@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/06, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > P.S. on the auction, > > I meant to comment, I saw that the cover of the catalog shows a nest of > dinosaur eggs; is that the same one that was the subject of the recent news > story, about people hoping it would go to a museum? It looks about the > same. And, has anyone scrolled through the fossil listings to find where > this was listed, and whether it sold, and for what? $419,750... I think the bidding stopped at $375k Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 6 13:44:31 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Dec 6 13:44:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <001201c7197f$b98b65d0$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> Anyone up for a few geologic word games? I'll print the questions below....send me your amswers (off-line), and the one with the most right wins a $20 specimen! I'll send the correct (at least my version of"correct") answers in a week. Larry ================================== ROCK RIDDLES Here are a number of riddles related to geology and minerals. The basic idea is to guess the 2 or 3 word rhyme that best expresses the meaning of the riddle, in a humorous way. For example, the phrase "Men's running shorts made out of SiO2" can be expressed as "Quartz Shorts". See how many you can solve and send them to me (larryrush@att.net). Have fun! 1.. Bovine eats feldspar 2.. Lawyers sue silica miner 3.. Dr.Suess' miner in Death Valley 4.. Strong sun in the Arctic 5.. Turner finds rosy sandstone deposits 6.. The San Andreas stops moving 7.. Very sudden loss of soil 8.. Helicopter to transport Cu 9.. Geometrically formed mineral in the shape of a handgun 10.. Idiot who loves isometric minerals 11.. Shakespeare's petroleum comedy 12.. Casino on a geologic fault 13.. Person who doesn't believe in volcanoes 14.. Very, very hot coffee 15.. Geologist who can't stop talking shop 16.. Group of shiny crystals 17.. Vivacious agate 18.. Volcanic tax form entry 19.. Rutilated quartz that really isn't 20.. Climber after fossil resin 21.. Senor finds ore in meadow 22.. Blind, underground anthracite miner 23.. Rock-hammer marks on actor Tom's fingers 24.. A well behaved reef inhabitant 25.. Over-dressed dame who likes small quartz crystal masses 26.. The effect of Darwin's theories 27.. The only eruption in town 28.. Silica army posts 29.. Tie up your Aussie gems 30.. Be lonely for a rock fracture 31.. Spy some dense gray silica 32.. Hollow General Motors ball 33.. Hot spring at a pharmaceutical company 34.. Marker for the Sweet Home mine adit 35.. We got rid of the nugget 36.. Mixed up metamorphic limestone 37.. Salt observed in the day-time 38.. Argentina gemstone 39.. Mica deposit nears surface 40.. Cartoon ghost likes semi-precious gem 41.. Rona's diamond 42.. Machine used to shape limestone 43.. Volcanic glass disappears 44.. Courthouse date for claim jumping 45.. Muffin makers claim gives indigestion 46.. Deer runs into open pit mine 47.. Annual celebration for brick makers 48.. Strike-slip fault moves a bit 49.. A pebble in my argyles 50.. Tyson's igneous intrusions 51.. Wind which blows fissile rock around 52.. Chamberlain's deposit 53.. Dish made of sedimentary rock 54.. Area around the top of a volcano 55.. Rocks identical images 56.. Unforgettable dinosaur 57.. Cost of banded metamorphic rock 58.. It's hard to find sapphires in Montana 59.. A slight rock skin disease 60.. A cave-in in a emerald mine 61.. Collector's lust for Ca5FPO4(3) 62.. Low class diamond substitute 63.. A dropped quartz crystal with inclusions 64.. I'm sorry about some of these "groaners" ROCK RIDDLES ANSWERS 1.. cow bites albites 2.. quartz torts 3.. a borax lorax 4.. glacier erasure 5.. Ted's red beds 6.. fault's halt 7.. an erosion explosion 8.. copper chopper 9.. crystal pistol 10. cube boob 11. oil's well that end's well 12. a dip-joint clip-joint 13. igneous ignoramous 14. lava java 15. an ore bore 16. cluster luster 17. chert flirt 18. an eruption deduction 19. inclusion illusion 20. amber clamber 21. Spain plain vein 22. coal mole 23. Cruise's bruises 24. moral coral 25. a drusy floozy 26. evolution revolution 27. an exclusive extrusive 28. quartz forts 29. rope all opal 30. miss your fissure 31. flint glint 32. Geo geode 33. Pfizer geyser 34. fine mine sign 35. sold gold 36. garbled marble 37. daylight halite 38. La Paz topaz 39. a rising mass of isinglass 40. Casper's jasper 41. Barrett's carats 42. a limestone grindstone 43. obsidian oblivion 44. rock pocket docket 45. Thomas's pumices 46. quarry quarry 47. clay day 48. rift shift 49. sock rock 50. Mike's dike 51. shale gale 52. Wilt the Stilt's silt 53. slate plate 54. cone zone 55. stones clones 56. Jurassic classic 57. gneiss price 58. corundum conundrum 59. quartz warts 60. beryl peril 61. apatite appetite 62. sleazy CZ 63. mutilated rutilated 64. a geolgy apology! From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Wed Dec 6 13:48:01 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Wed Dec 6 13:47:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> Well, I'm sorry about that!! the answers obviously should have been omitted!! Dumb, dumb, dumb!! Oh,well....enjoy! Larry From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Dec 6 15:24:13 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 15:24:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <8C8E7A4C66EA494-9F8-1356@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Bummer, Larry, that you made up all those riddles, then showed the answers! But at least, for folks on the List like me, who happened to open & read your 2nd email first and was warned that the answers were there, I haven't looked at them, so at least I can try to figure the riddles out on my own, even if there isn't a $20 specimen prize waiting! However... easier said than done, I was looking at them, and so far have only figured out one or two answers... maybe. I'll need to give this some better thought, to make sure I comprehend exactly how this little brand of humor is supposed to work! Good try anyway, Pete -----Original Message----- From: larryrush@worldnet.att.net To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 2:48 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games Well, I'm sorry about that!! the answers obviously should have been omitted!! Dumb, dumb, dumb!! Oh,well....enjoy! Larry -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Wed Dec 6 16:08:01 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 16:08:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 References: <000001c71952$943da8b0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <022301c71993$c32383c0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Earl I had the same impression. Some of the earlier lots seemed to be overpriced but as I got into this there were some exceptional pieces that went at prices that were even below what I'd expected. Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Verbeek" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bonhams and Butterfields Auction 14046 > > Hello John, > > The prices appear all over the map to me -- many higher than I'd like to > see, but some a comparative bargain. I've seen worse . . . > > But what really got to me was Lot no. 8026, in which a large and fine > Bisbee > azurite specimen measuring 9.5 x 8 x 8 inches was described as "good > cutting > material". Yikes!! This is an unusually large, unusually fine azurite > specimen in pristine condition, so let's hope it remains in one piece with > its new (and subsequent) owners. > > Cheers- Earl > > ----------------------------------- > Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist > Sterling Hill Mining Museum > 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 > 973-209-7212 > shmm@sussexonline.com > > > Hi Pete, > > You think? (... and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) After seeing the > Frelich Auction and reviewing the purchase prices received for many of > those specimens, are they really so overblown? > > Take care everyone, > > John > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > >>Methinks, that some of those suggested values the website catalog gave, > were >>really overblown. >> >>Pete >> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Wed Dec 6 17:14:54 2006 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Wed Dec 6 17:08:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: <8C8E7A4C66EA494-9F8-1356@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> <8C8E7A4C66EA494-9F8-1356@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: OK here's one out of the blue and no answer down below either: What would you call a collector who is avidly ravenously interested in Hauyne and nothing else but? Cheers Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Dec 6 18:17:52 2006 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 18:18:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] ad: Books for Christmas Message-ID: I have the following books in stock and will ship in time for Christmas. Any one of this will be a great gift for the right rockhound! Agates by Johann Zenz. This is the best book on agates ever published. I have just two copies to sell. Spectacular new book, a definitive work on agates of the world -- Large format -- 24cm x 28mm (9.5" x 11"), 656 pages, over 2000 color photographs, premium print quality (this book weighs 7 lbs!) Published by Bode-Verlag (Germany) 2005 Limited edition. $100 plus $8 shipping in US. 2 left Araucaria by Ulrich Dernbach. This is the best book Dernbach produced (in my opinion)and is my third favorite fossil wood book. It is about the wood and cones of Patagonia, Argentina. When it first came out it sold for $85. I was able to get a box for less recently so you will get yours for a lot less than I paid for mine. Well worth it. It?s a large format book, 13.5 by 9.5 inches, with 160 pages and lots of well-photographed specimens including cones that will make you drool. It was published in 1992 and has both English and German text. $55 plus $6 postage in US. 4 left Fine Minerals of China by Guanghua Liu. A beautifully done guide to the mineral localities of China. The photography is well done and the full 366 pages are full color. 12 by 81/2 inches; 1 3/8 inches thick; just under 5 pounds. $148 plus $7 postage in US. 2 left Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and Cycads, by Frank J. Daniels. Hard cover, large format, 176 pages. 430 full color photographs. Published in 1998. Autographed on request. $75 free shipping in US. 80% sold out ANCIENT FORESTS: A CLOSER LOOK AT FOSSIL WOOD Frank Daniels and geologist Dick Dayvault team up to explore the intricacies of fossil wood by leading the reader on an expedition into the micro world of fossil wood mineralization and cell structures. 1600 color photographs, charts, and diagrams, including 438 fossil wood micro images, 40 Geologic Landscapes ?, and 46 thin section micrographs from modern conifers and hardwoods. Enormous 7 1/2 pound 12 ? by 11 ? inch book with 456 pages. 7 years in the making. Published in 2006. Specimen photographs from worldwide locations, including numerous woods, cones, ferns, cycads, and short shoots, and including Acrostichum, Araucaria mirabilis, Araucarioxylon, Aurealcaulis moorei, Behuninia provoensis, Calamites, Carpolithus radiatus, Carporichnus bertheorum, Carya, Casuarina, Cupressinoxylon, Cyathodendron texanum, cycadeoid, Dadoxylon, Ginkgo, Grammatopteris, Hermanophyton glismannii, Hermanophyton taylorii, Jensensispermum redmondi, Juglans, Juniperus, Metasequoia, Osmunda, Palmoxylon, Pararaucaria, Pityoxylon, Platanoxylon, Podocarpoxylon, Protoyucca shadishii, Psaronius, Quercus, Rhexoxylon, Schilderia adamanica, Sequoia, Steinerocaulis radiatus, Taxodioxylon, Tempskya, Tietea singularis, Trochodendron, Ulmus, and Woodworthia arizonica. Fossil wood specimens from Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Gondwana, Great Britain, Greece, Indonesia, Malagasy Republic, Pangea, Paraguay, Turkey and Zimbabwe; and from Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, Texas, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming in the United States. Major chapters address Fossil Wood Structure and Identification, The Process of Wood Transformation to Stone, Fossil Woods from the Western United States and around the World, and 3 Major Museum Collections of Fossil Woods. Order directly from the publisher for $89.95 US. Colorado residents add $2.61 state tax. Shipping and handling FREE for limited time to destinations in the US. Add $10 to Canada (Air Parcel Post). Add $15 to anywhere else on this planet by surface mail. I accept PayPal, Visa and MasterCard, or a check. Call with credit card information. PayPal to _cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) . Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) 970.242.5255 cell 970.216.9641 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and Cycads and Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Dec 6 20:32:48 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 6 20:32:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> <8C8E7A4C66EA494-9F8-1356@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45779959.7498@Tomaszewski.net> Blew on Blue Hans Durstling wrote: > > OK here's one out of the blue and no answer down below either: > > What would you call a collector who is avidly ravenously interested in > Hauyne and nothing else but? > > Cheers > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Wed Dec 6 20:46:42 2006 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Wed Dec 6 20:39:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: <45779959.7498@Tomaszewski.net> References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> <8C8E7A4C66EA494-9F8-1356@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> <45779959.7498@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <5adf32a593c4acfc2db369767f1948be@nbnet.nb.ca> Nope. (Well at least not what I had in mind) :) - Hans On 7-Dec-06, at 12:32 AM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Blew on Blue > > > > > > Hans Durstling wrote: >> >> OK here's one out of the blue and no answer down below either: >> >> What would you call a collector who is avidly ravenously interested in >> Hauyne and nothing else but? >> >> Cheers >> Hans Durstling >> Moncton, Canada >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Dec 6 22:03:55 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 22:04:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games Message-ID: Hans, I like your riddle about hauyne, it's always been one of my favorite minerals because, (a) it's nicely colored (blue), (b) it's a feldspathoid, in the sodalite group--those are just neat minerals! (c) it occurs in unusual, alkali-rich volcanic rocks--good stuff (d) it occurs in interesting places--Eifel, Kaiserstuhl, Laacher See, Auvergne (e) it's a mineral that no two people can ever agree how to properly pronounce. However, in spite of my interest, I've not been able to come up with any good cute answer for this; I must not be thinking sufficiently creatively yet! In a message dated 12/6/2006 6:08:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, sinico@nbnet.nb.ca writes: OK here's one out of the blue and no answer down below either: What would you call a collector who is avidly ravenously interested in Hauyne and nothing else but? Cheers Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Dec 6 22:08:38 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 6 22:08:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games Message-ID: A hauyne hound???? (probably not right, but can't think of anything else!) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Wed Dec 6 22:53:04 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Dec 6 22:53:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: <001201c7197f$b98b65d0$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> <001201c7197f$b98b65d0$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061206204851.035b0ee0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Larry, did you (or someone else) publish this list (or some of it) a few years ago? I had it (or one similar) copied into a word document a long time ago, but can't find it now. I also can't find it among old Rockhounds postings, but it may have had a different tiitle. Anyway, they're great. Thanks. Aloha, Kitty At 11:44 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote: >Anyone up for a few geologic word games? > >I'll print the questions below....send me your amswers (off-line), and the >one with the most right wins a $20 specimen! >I'll send the correct (at least my version of"correct") answers in a week. > >Larry > >================================== > > > > >ROCK RIDDLES > > >Here are a number of riddles related to geology and minerals. The basic >idea is to guess the 2 or 3 word rhyme that best expresses the meaning of >the riddle, in a humorous way. For example, the phrase "Men's running >shorts made out of SiO2" can be expressed as "Quartz Shorts". See how many >you can solve and send them to me (larryrush@att.net). Have fun! > > > > > > 1.. Bovine eats feldspar > 2.. Lawyers sue silica miner > 3.. Dr.Suess' miner in Death Valley > 4.. Strong sun in the Arctic > 5.. Turner finds rosy sandstone deposits > 6.. The San Andreas stops moving > 7.. Very sudden loss of soil > 8.. Helicopter to transport Cu > 9.. Geometrically formed mineral in the shape of a handgun > 10.. Idiot who loves isometric minerals > 11.. Shakespeare's petroleum comedy > 12.. Casino on a geologic fault > 13.. Person who doesn't believe in volcanoes > 14.. Very, very hot coffee > 15.. Geologist who can't stop talking shop > 16.. Group of shiny crystals > 17.. Vivacious agate > 18.. Volcanic tax form entry > 19.. Rutilated quartz that really isn't > 20.. Climber after fossil resin > 21.. Senor finds ore in meadow > 22.. Blind, underground anthracite miner > 23.. Rock-hammer marks on actor Tom's fingers > 24.. A well behaved reef inhabitant > 25.. Over-dressed dame who likes small quartz crystal masses > 26.. The effect of Darwin's theories > 27.. The only eruption in town > 28.. Silica army posts > 29.. Tie up your Aussie gems > 30.. Be lonely for a rock fracture > 31.. Spy some dense gray silica > 32.. Hollow General Motors ball > 33.. Hot spring at a pharmaceutical company > 34.. Marker for the Sweet Home mine adit > 35.. We got rid of the nugget > 36.. Mixed up metamorphic limestone > 37.. Salt observed in the day-time > 38.. Argentina gemstone > 39.. Mica deposit nears surface > 40.. Cartoon ghost likes semi-precious gem > 41.. Rona's diamond > 42.. Machine used to shape limestone > 43.. Volcanic glass disappears > 44.. Courthouse date for claim jumping > 45.. Muffin makers claim gives indigestion > 46.. Deer runs into open pit mine > 47.. Annual celebration for brick makers > 48.. Strike-slip fault moves a bit > 49.. A pebble in my argyles > 50.. Tyson's igneous intrusions > 51.. Wind which blows fissile rock around > 52.. Chamberlain's deposit > 53.. Dish made of sedimentary rock > 54.. Area around the top of a volcano > 55.. Rocks identical images > 56.. Unforgettable dinosaur > 57.. Cost of banded metamorphic rock > 58.. It's hard to find sapphires in Montana > 59.. A slight rock skin disease > 60.. A cave-in in a emerald mine > 61.. Collector's lust for Ca5FPO4(3) > 62.. Low class diamond substitute > 63.. A dropped quartz crystal with inclusions > 64.. I'm sorry about some of these "groaners" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ROCK RIDDLES > > >ANSWERS > > > > > > > 1.. cow bites albites > 2.. quartz torts > 3.. a borax lorax > 4.. glacier erasure > 5.. Ted's red beds > 6.. fault's halt > 7.. an erosion explosion > 8.. copper chopper > 9.. crystal pistol >10. cube boob > >11. oil's well that end's well > >12. a dip-joint clip-joint > >13. igneous ignoramous > >14. lava java > >15. an ore bore > >16. cluster luster > >17. chert flirt > >18. an eruption deduction > >19. inclusion illusion > >20. amber clamber > >21. Spain plain vein > >22. coal mole > >23. Cruise's bruises > >24. moral coral > >25. a drusy floozy > >26. evolution revolution > >27. an exclusive extrusive > >28. quartz forts > >29. rope all opal > >30. miss your fissure > >31. flint glint > >32. Geo geode > >33. Pfizer geyser > >34. fine mine sign > >35. sold gold > >36. garbled marble > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >37. daylight halite > >38. La Paz topaz > >39. a rising mass of isinglass > >40. Casper's jasper > >41. Barrett's carats > >42. a limestone grindstone > >43. obsidian oblivion > >44. rock pocket docket > >45. Thomas's pumices > >46. quarry quarry > >47. clay day > >48. rift shift > >49. sock rock > >50. Mike's dike > >51. shale gale > >52. Wilt the Stilt's silt > >53. slate plate > >54. cone zone > >55. stones clones > >56. Jurassic classic > >57. gneiss price > >58. corundum conundrum > >59. quartz warts > >60. beryl peril > >61. apatite appetite > >62. sleazy CZ > >63. mutilated rutilated > > > > 64. a geolgy apology! > > > > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 7 01:32:49 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 7 01:32:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And Pete: (d) it fluoresces (quite often) a deep orange red. Crystals are often embedded in pumice and quite small so that's easily overlooked ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 7:04 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Word Games > > > > Hans, > > I like your riddle about hauyne, it's always been one of my favorite > minerals because, > > (a) it's nicely colored (blue), > (b) it's a feldspathoid, in the sodalite group--those are just > neat minerals! > (c) it occurs in unusual, alkali-rich volcanic rocks--good stuff > (d) it occurs in interesting places--Eifel, Kaiserstuhl, Laacher See, > Auvergne > (e) it's a mineral that no two people can ever agree how to properly > pronounce. > > However, in spite of my interest, I've not been able to come up with any > good cute answer for this; I must not be thinking sufficiently > creatively yet! > > > In a message dated 12/6/2006 6:08:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, > sinico@nbnet.nb.ca writes: > > OK here's one out of the blue and no answer down below either: > > What would you call a collector who is avidly ravenously interested in > Hauyne and nothing else but? > > Cheers > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From magnet at crocoite.com Thu Dec 7 02:12:35 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Thu Dec 7 02:12:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games Message-ID: <20061207101235.29128.qmail@webmachine101.com> > (e) it's a mineral that no two people can ever agree how to properly > pronounce. It can get very frustrating Pete. It 'should' be obvious as its named after Hauy, but then levyne is not ususally pronounced using Levy's name pronunciation. Even worse, ecandrewsite (usually pronounced 'eck-andrewsite') is named after E.C. Andrews. And we thought the word game was tough! Regards Steve From magnet at crocoite.com Thu Dec 7 02:16:10 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Thu Dec 7 02:16:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games Message-ID: <20061207101610.26815.qmail@webmachine101.com> > (d) it fluoresces (quite often) a deep orange red. > I'll have to check for fluorescence in sanidine porphyry rocks from Cygnet, in southern Tasmania. There is supposed to be hauyne but its so small you can't pick it. Maybe fluorescence might show it up. Axel - is it SW or LW? Regards Steve From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 7 03:06:50 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 7 03:06:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now fluorescing Hauyn In-Reply-To: <20061207101610.26815.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, like most members of the sodalite family you'll probably see it best under a bright, well filtered LW lamp. I think that a simple blacklight won't cut it. A Superbright will or a Philips HP120W (or higher) with woods glass mantle. Be aware that hauyn can be colorless... and sanidine can fluoresce in about the same color. So don't discard an orange fluorescing crystal (or spec or blob or whatever) because it isn't blue and don't say it's hauyn just because it fluoresces orange. To make matters worse another member of that family may appear in those sanidine porphyry rocks: nosean. Can be colorless, white or light blue and can also fluoresce orange ( http://webmineral.com/data/Nosean.shtml and http://www.mineralienatlas.de/lexikon/index.php/Nosean ) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens magnet > Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 11:16 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Word Games > > > > (d) it fluoresces (quite often) a deep orange red. > > > > I'll have to check for fluorescence in sanidine porphyry rocks > from Cygnet, in southern Tasmania. There is supposed to be hauyne > but its so small you can't pick it. Maybe fluorescence might show it up. > > Axel - is it SW or LW? > > Regards > Steve > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 05:03:29 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Dec 7 05:03:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Auctions and rocks In-Reply-To: <200612070203.kB722mGK005905@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <651327.34096.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone: Auctions are funny kinds of markets - just think of the commodity markets where people wear funny jackets to be extra visible and spend all day yelling and screaming about pork bellies and corn. At a fancy auction house, the surroundings set a psychological mood. I've noticed that different crowds have different moods as well. At the Carnegie Show there have been very interesting auctions in the past (I found out that there was no auction this year - don't know why?) and I've seen two collectors of amethyst go after an admittedly very pretty Las Vigas specimen with a vengance. They were looking angrily at each other and wound up bidding the sweet rock up to around $3000. It was sweet, but to me $1000 would have been a big price for it. And at the same time I saw a large piece of matrix with half-a-dozen large aquamarines - think transparent frozen juice cans - go for about the same price as the amethyst! A real steal to me. So emotions can definately have a big impact on any given specimen. If multiple bidders want one, the price can suddenly shoot up to a surprising level. When we auctioned off the remains of my father's estate, there was a mixed (red and blue bindings) set of Beckley USA local history books. They were in the basement, and quite mildewed - not to say mouldy! It went for $400! We all had our matched sets - my great-uncle Harlow Warren wrote it - and were glad to see the big price, but holy cow!!! I don't think quite the same emotional things go on for on-line auctions, but if you aren't careful you can get carried away. I try to appraise any given rock I'm interested in, and set my Maximum bid ahead of the actual call for the rock, so I'm that much less likely to get carried away. All that said, I really like auctions, even rural farm auctions where you see old tools and lamps and detrius for sale. I hope to attend some of the auctions around the Tucson show eventually, and maybe meet some of you there! Keep on Rockin' JR in WV --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Thu Dec 7 05:16:39 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Dec 7 05:15:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Auctions and rocks References: <651327.34096.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5fab01c71a01$ee8a77d0$78149444@michael01> and don't forget about schilling.....i personally know of an example at one of these natural history auctions where schilling pushed up the price of a $300 trilobite to over $20,000 Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:03 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Auctions and rocks > Hi Everyone: > > Auctions are funny kinds of markets - just think of the commodity markets > where people wear funny jackets to be extra visible and spend all day > yelling and screaming about pork bellies and corn. > > At a fancy auction house, the surroundings set a psychological mood. I've > noticed that different crowds have different moods as well. At the > Carnegie Show there have been very interesting auctions in the past (I > found out that there was no auction this year - don't know why?) and I've > seen two collectors of amethyst go after an admittedly very pretty Las > Vigas specimen with a vengance. They were looking angrily at each other > and wound up bidding the sweet rock up to around $3000. > > It was sweet, but to me $1000 would have been a big price for it. And at > the same time I saw a large piece of matrix with half-a-dozen large > aquamarines - think transparent frozen juice cans - go for about the same > price as the amethyst! A real steal to me. > > So emotions can definately have a big impact on any given specimen. If > multiple bidders want one, the price can suddenly shoot up to a surprising > level. > > When we auctioned off the remains of my father's estate, there was a mixed > (red and blue bindings) set of Beckley USA local history books. They were > in the basement, and quite mildewed - not to say mouldy! It went for > $400! We all had our matched sets - my great-uncle Harlow Warren wrote > it - and were glad to see the big price, but holy cow!!! > > I don't think quite the same emotional things go on for on-line auctions, > but if you aren't careful you can get carried away. I try to appraise any > given rock I'm interested in, and set my Maximum bid ahead of the actual > call for the rock, so I'm that much less likely to get carried away. > > All that said, I really like auctions, even rural farm auctions where you > see old tools and lamps and detrius for sale. I hope to attend some of > the auctions around the Tucson show eventually, and maybe meet some of you > there! > > Keep on Rockin' > JR in WV > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Dec 7 06:12:49 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 7 06:13:02 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn Message-ID: About hauyne.... while we're at this, would someone who knows please explain to me, I know that the word is properly written with a double dot (an unlaut, I assume it should be called) over the u, as is the name of the mineralogist it was named after, Rene Just Hauy; so my question, just what nationality is his name, because I assume it's French, but why does a French surname have an "umlaut" in it, that's normally a German character? I've always puzzled over that one. (Just looking up Hauy on the 'net, I don't see the umlaut used anywhere on his name, but perhaps they just omit it. He is known as the "Father of Crystallography".) Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 7 07:23:37 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 7 07:23:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: <20061207101235.29128.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: How it's done Take het "ha" from hackmanite... Take the "ou" from couch... Take the "ween" from Halloween... Rehearse each one of those separately for at least 30 minutes EACH. Now say them as one word: HA-OU-WEEN. No J between the HA and the OU ! That's the trick. Actually, the man was French. So it should be Ha-ou-win but I don't want to stress you Anglo-Saxon folk too much ;-)))). Now go see your doctor and have your tongue and cheekbone put back into place. I've never seen folks so keen on pronouncing hauyn Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens magnet > Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 11:13 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Word Games > > > > (e) it's a mineral that no two people can ever agree how to properly > > pronounce. > > It can get very frustrating Pete. It 'should' be obvious as its > named after Hauy, but then levyne is not ususally pronounced > using Levy's name pronunciation. Even worse, ecandrewsite > (usually pronounced 'eck-andrewsite') is named after E.C. > Andrews. And we thought the word game was tough! > > Regards > Steve > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Dec 7 07:30:53 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 7 07:31:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games Message-ID: and what's that umlaut doing there, Axel? (I know, you are of a different language extract, you don't do umlauts either) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 7 07:40:10 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 7 07:40:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Absolutely right Pete. Blasphemous! There is no umlaut in Hauyn... But wasn't he greatly involved in dealings with German miners and nobelmen? IF I'm not mistaken, Hauyn must have been the same age as that other ultra-famous mineral collector Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. In Germany the umlaut is put on a U to prevent people from pronouncing it as "you". The American or English do not have words with a U that sounds like u. "Ubermensch" comes close but that's nor really American, is it... Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 15:13 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn > > > About hauyne.... while we're at this, would someone who knows please > explain to me, I know that the word is properly written with a > double dot (an > unlaut, I assume it should be called) over the u, as is the name of the > mineralogist it was named after, Rene Just Hauy; so my question, > just what nationality > is his name, because I assume it's French, but why does a French > surname have > an "umlaut" in it, that's normally a German character? I've > always puzzled > over that one. > > (Just looking up Hauy on the 'net, I don't see the umlaut used > anywhere on > his name, but perhaps they just omit it. He is known as the "Father of > Crystallography".) > > Pete > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rpr at heidelberg.edu Thu Dec 7 09:42:35 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Thu Dec 7 09:42:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ha?y's dates are 1743-1822. Goethe's dates are 1749-1832. A pretty strong overlap. I though that perhaps Ha?y was born in eastern France - perhaps Alsace - an area that has strong influences from both French and German languages. The references that I find to his birthplace are not all consistent as to which St.-Just he was born in, nor can I pin down the specifics using a search of MapQuest for France. Two articles mention Oise, which appears to refer to a place near Belgium; the other mentions St-Just-en-Chaus?e, which is a bit north of Paris. Maybe Axel or some other European can clarify this! Pete Richards On Dec 7, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Absolutely right Pete. > Blasphemous! > There is no umlaut in Hauyn... But wasn't he greatly involved in > dealings > with German miners and nobelmen? > IF I'm not mistaken, Hauyn must have been the same age as that other > ultra-famous mineral collector Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. In > Germany the > umlaut is put on a U to prevent people from pronouncing it as > "you". The > American or English do not have words with a U that sounds like u. > "Ubermensch" comes close but that's nor really American, is it... > > Axel > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Pmodreski@aol.com >> Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 15:13 >> Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn >> >> >> About hauyne.... while we're at this, would someone who knows please >> explain to me, I know that the word is properly written with a >> double dot (an >> unlaut, I assume it should be called) over the u, as is the name >> of the >> mineralogist it was named after, Rene Just Hauy; so my question, >> just what nationality >> is his name, because I assume it's French, but why does a French >> surname have >> an "umlaut" in it, that's normally a German character? I've >> always puzzled >> over that one. >> >> (Just looking up Hauy on the 'net, I don't see the umlaut used >> anywhere on >> his name, but perhaps they just omit it. He is known as the >> "Father of >> Crystallography".) >> >> Pete >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Thu Dec 7 10:42:21 2006 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Thu Dec 7 10:35:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... In-Reply-To: <000401c71a2b$7ce7a420$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <000401c71a2b$7ce7a420$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <44dc982634810bc809c1137c30cb837d@nbnet.nb.ca> > Hi all, The term I had in mind to describe the person who is rabidly singlemindedly avid for Hauyn and nothing else, well that would be .... a Hauyn wolf. Pete Modreski was close, real close with Hauyn hound but didn't quite hit the intended horrible pun. Cheers all, Hans From rocknate at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 11:00:27 2006 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Thu Dec 7 11:00:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy Message-ID: If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for Christmas, which book would you try for? I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time to learn how to use it for mineral identification. Nate Martin Lexington, MA From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 7 11:25:36 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu Dec 7 11:25:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy References: Message-ID: <000601c71a35$79acdff0$d09d2a4b@LarryRush> Nate: Just speaking from memory, but maybe worth following up....I think one of the most respected texts on Optical Mineralogy is by Alexander Winchell, but it is probably out of print. Also, if you can find the old paperback volume of Optical Properties of Minerals in Thin Section, put out by the U. of New Mexico, it is well worth having as a reference. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Martin" To: "Rockhounds Email List" Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy > If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on > optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for > Christmas, which book would you try for? > > I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, > Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse > Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? > > Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic > microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time > to learn how to use it for mineral identification. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Thu Dec 7 11:36:23 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 7 11:36:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C8E84E1CF30F35-790-41F5@FWM-R06.sysops.aol.com> Nate, I've not personally used it, but I think it's a pretty good book. I know Prof. Nesse, he teaches mineralogy at the Univ. of Northern Colorado. It's probably also just about the only recently written book that covers optical mineralogy, that's in print and recently updated and all. I'd say, go with it--probably will be much better and more "user-friendly" than some 50-year-old edition of one of the "classics", I would say. Pete -----Original Message----- From: rocknate@gmail.com To: Rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:00 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for Christmas, which book would you try for? I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time to learn how to use it for mineral identification. Nate Martin Lexington, MA -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Thu Dec 7 11:47:20 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Thu Dec 7 11:47:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy In-Reply-To: <8C8E84E1CF30F35-790-41F5@FWM-R06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E84E1CF30F35-790-41F5@FWM-R06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Certainly another one to consider is Donald Bloss' An Introduction to the Methods of Optical Crystallography. It does not, I guess, qualify as "recent" but that means I don't either. I very much doubt it is in print, but you could get it at Amazon.com. There's a 1961 and a 1989 edition listed there; I'm not familiar with the newer one. The old one does not deal with the spindle stage, if that's an issue. Pete Richards On Dec 7, 2006, at 2:36 PM, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > Nate, > > I've not personally used it, but I think it's a pretty good book. > I know Prof. Nesse, he teaches mineralogy at the Univ. of Northern > Colorado. It's probably also just about the only recently written > book that covers optical mineralogy, that's in print and recently > updated and all. I'd say, go with it--probably will be much better > and more "user-friendly" than some 50-year-old edition of one of > the "classics", I would say. > > Pete > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rocknate@gmail.com > To: Rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:00 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy > > > If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on > optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for > Christmas, which book would you try for? > > I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, > Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse > Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? > > Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic > microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time > to learn how to use it for mineral identification. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > -- _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > Check out the new AOL. 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Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cdejong at calvin.edu Thu Dec 7 10:29:45 2006 From: cdejong at calvin.edu (Cindy de Jong) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:13:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations&In-Reply-To= Message-ID: <45781748.CC20.0038.0@calvin.edu> Hi. I once bought a Petosky stone ornament and have been searching the web for someone else who sells them. I came across this message, and hope that someone can help me find about a dozen stone ornaments--by Saturday, if at all possible! Please let me know whether you can help, or if you know of someone else who can. Thank you very much, Cindy cdejong@calvin.edu From MurowchickJ at umkc.edu Thu Dec 7 12:15:02 2006 From: MurowchickJ at umkc.edu (Murowchick, James) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:26:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nate- The classic is Don Bloss' Introduction to the Methods of Optical Mineralogy, (the Green Book) which is available through the Mineralogical Society of America (older copies are probably available through Amazon). Older versions had a list of minerals arranged by optical properties in the back, but I didn't see it in the newest version (white cover) sold by MSA. The new version does cover use of the spindle stage, but does not have mineral descriptions. Wm. Revell Phillips'(1971) "Mineral Optics" is also a nice text, and comes in two parts--the first covers Principles and Techniques, and the second is a compilation of mineral descriptions. My recommendation, and one that I've found very readable (my students think so, too) is by William D. Nesse (2004) "Introduction to Optical Mineralogy" ISBN 0-19-514910-6 Oxford University Press. It is in its 3rd edition, so there might be used copies of earlier editions available. The first part of the book covers the principles and practice of polarized light microscopy, and the rest of the book gives descriptions of quite a few minerals, mostly those commonly found in rocks. For undergraduate students and rockhounds wanting to train themselves in polarized light microscopy, I'd recommend Nesse. One other resource that is immensely useful for identifying minerals using refractive index oils is Fleischer et al., (1984) Microscopic Determination of the Nonopaque Minerals. USGS Bulletin 1627 (a revision of Larsen and Berman (1934) USGS Bull. 838). This is almost essential for identifying uncommon minerals, or where only a small chip is used for refractive index determination. Hope this helps. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 12/7/06 1:00 PM, "Nathan Martin" wrote: > If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on > optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for > Christmas, which book would you try for? > > I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, > Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse > Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? > > Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic > microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time > to learn how to use it for mineral identification. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Thu Dec 7 12:37:41 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu Dec 7 12:37:36 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Class Answers References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com><001201c7197f$b98b65d0$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> <6.2.1.2.0.20061206204851.035b0ee0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <002601c71a3f$8bab4e30$d09d2a4b@LarryRush> Well, now that I'm started, here is another oldie I wrote. Can you tell I am cleaning out my desk?? ANSWERS I NEVER GOT IN GEOLOGY CLASS Larry Rush Does a WILDCATTER have GREENSTONE CATS-EYES in his HEADFRAME? Is AGGLOMERATE scrambled aggs? Do clogged ARTERITES give geologists heart ATACMITES? Did ANNA BERGITE get jealous when BRUCITE had some SYNCLINE with KIM BERLITE? Is CITRINE what a geologist tells his dog, Trine? Is a MICROMOUNT a PREMATURE ERUPTION? Can a CUBANITE be admitted on the U.S. CONTINENTAL SHELF? Do 8 year old sisters on bikes perform CYCLIC TWINNING? Is a BRACHYDOME where the Brachs play football? Does a geologist who needs toilet training cause BEDDING SCHISTOCITY? If a mineral dealer GYPSUM of his customers, can he land in the IRON-STONE CLINKER? Does a geologist get a TAN TALITE if he vacations in the ISOTROPICS? If you use a LADDER-VEIN to climb out of a GLORY-HOLE, will you fall on your TUFF? In topography, does MOOR ever mean LOESS? Is the term "LOPOLITHIC UNIFICATION in the LITHOLOGIC LITHOZONE " ever used by speech therapists? Will the CANADIAN SHIELD protect our neighbors from a ROCKet attack of EXPLOSIVE BRECCIA? Is a DIPJOINT related to a clip joint? Isn't a NORMAL FAULT a contradiction in terms? Will a meal of CRYSTAL LATTICE , GRAPTOLITES, and CARATS on EARTH CRUST made with ROCK FLOUR give you a GASTROLITHIC DISCONFORMITY? Does AT&T sell GEOPHONES to use with their PHONOLITE service? Is the ROADMETAL to riches paved with GOLDSTONE? Are LUNAR rocknuts called SPATIAL GREYWACKES? Does a geologist's baby who eats strained peas form GREENSCHIST? (I'm really sorry about this one!) Is ALABASTAR a brother-in-law from Alabama? Do geologists take ALKALI seltzer for ACID-ROCK stomach from eating PUDDING-STONE? Is a geologist's impotence called a BEDDING FAULT? Did U.S. geologists drop VOLCANIC BOMBS on the JAPANESE TWINS in WWII? If FRANKLIN ITE and CHRYS OBERYL had CONVERGENCE with a SEISMIC EVENT in a CONTACT ZONE without a CORUNDUM, could the result be a LITTORAL one? (Groan, groan!) Can a CUP CORAL hold FLUID INCLUSIONS , or do you need a VOLCANIC GLASS? Does DACITE follow NITRITE? Can you wash your MINERAL WOOL with SOAPSTONE in a DRAINAGE BASIN? Is ARSENOPYRITE when a geologist gets bitten in the rear by a DOODLEBUG? Is BEDROCK time for a new mattress and a better PILLOW STRUCTURE? Can SOIL MECHANICS repair TEAR FAULTS? If a geologist becomes ILLITE, does he go to a TRICLINIC to leave a URANINITE specimen? Can you boil MINERAL WATER in a KETTLE HOLE heated with MAGMA? Is it then a HYDROTHERMAL fluid? Are there many PLANETESIMALS, or do we live on a RARE EARTH of our STAUROLITE? Can I drive in my new CARNETITE on the DESERT PAVEMENT over a LAND BRIDGE? Do DIFFERENTIAL FORCES ever fight it out in a Congress of LEUCOCRATS vs. Republicans? Can you ever get a DISCONFORMITY in your SPINEL CHORDATA? Is CRYSTAL DISORDER common in a CHAOS structure? Can you get bitten by the DOGTOOTH SPAR of a LABRADORITE? Do VULCANOLOGISTS ever get ERUPTIVE and FUMEROLE at times? Are INTRUSIVE or EXTRUSIVE rocks more fun at a party? Are geologists or psychologists more interested in FAULT COMPLEXES and TENSILE STRESSES? Wasn't it Edna FERBERITE who wrote The Good Earth? Can you call a HARD ROCK geologist a FLINTY character? Is RUBY SILVER really a GOLD-digger, or does that old FOSSIL, AL MANDITE, only have FOOL'S GOLD anyway? Does a GABBRO dominate the conversation at a cocktail party? Is FLAG-STONE found in an old GLORY-HOLE? Is a BARITE ROSE formed by the GREENHOUSE EFFECT in the presence of SUNSTONE? Is ANTIMONY a geologist's rich aunt? Does a geologist flamer make an ASH of himself? Does a geologist get lost in a house with a BASEMENT COMPLEX? Is BLACKJACK the name of a COAL MINE geologist? Is PEAT MOSS the name of a geobotanist? Has anybody seen that old CALAMINE, OLIVINE? Can my friend CHAL CEDONY get a BREW STERITE at the CINNA BAR with a NICCOL ITE? Can CROSSED NICHOLS be corrected with SPECULARITES? Do small APACHE TEARS CRYOLITE? Does AFTERSHOCK occur on a geologists New Year's Day? Is the geologists theme song ADOBE-dobe-doo, written by Jerome KERN ITE? And most importantly... Is this list just so much WASTAGE by a SILLIMANITE? From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Dec 7 12:40:27 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Dec 7 13:07:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADMIN Re: Tree Decorations&In-Reply-To= References: <45781748.CC20.0038.0@calvin.edu> Message-ID: <002001c71a40$0965e3d0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Note that Cindy is not a list member so respond to her off list. John Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy de Jong" To: ; Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations&In-Reply-To= > Hi. > I once bought a Petosky stone ornament From kugeln at msn.com Thu Dec 7 16:14:47 2006 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Thu Dec 7 16:14:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy References: Message-ID: It's good, but is a strictly optical mineralogy text. It's a medium format book, easy to handle. Good mineral by mineral descriptions of optical and physical properties, although more detailed discussions of groups/classes are found in his general mineralogy text, which also contains much of the same material as the optical mineralogy book. His presentation is pretty clear. I've found Perkins' and Henke's MINERALS IN THIN SECTION to be a good companion. "How-to" instructions about how to use the petrographic scope are clear and there are a series of color plates. This book should also be available on Amazon, at least used. Too bad you can't compare first hand the two Nesse books. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Martin" To: "Rockhounds Email List" Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy > If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on > optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for > Christmas, which book would you try for? > > I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, > Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse > Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? > > Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic > microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time > to learn how to use it for mineral identification. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 7 19:12:48 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 7 19:09:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tree Decorations References: <45781748.CC20.0038.0@calvin.edu> Message-ID: <4578D75A.2EF2@Tomaszewski.net> I literally live 'just down the street' from Calvin College. One of my local Club's members makes Petoskey Stone Christmas Tree ornaments. BTW, my Christmas Tree also has a number of mineral decorations mixed in with the family and traditional decorations. Most of them are small, wirewrapped, crystals that hang as small 'icicles' to make the tree sparkle. I may have to add a Petoskey Stone this year. I've told Cindy (offlist) how to contact the Club member so she will have a local source and hopefully meet her Saturday deadline. Some days this list is too much fun. Merry Christmas! Kreigh Cindy de Jong wrote: > > Hi. > I once bought a Petosky stone ornament and have been searching the web for > someone else who sells them. I came across this message, and hope that someone > can help me find about a dozen stone ornaments--by Saturday, if at all > possible! > Please let me know whether you can help, or if you know of someone else who > can. > Thank you very much, > Cindy > > cdejong@calvin.edu > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 7 19:28:02 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 7 19:24:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy References: Message-ID: <4578DAEA.1EF1@Tomaszewski.net> Most of the older mineralogy textbook classics covered optical methods. They are mostly out of print, but used copies can still be found on Amazon and other booksellers' websites. I remember that Krause, Hunt, and Ramsdell did a better than average job of explaining how to use a petrographic microscope in the pages they devoted to the topic. You might consider asking for any old/used textbook that has the title of "Mineralogy" (or includes the word in its title). Kreigh Nathan Martin wrote: > > If you were going to drop hints to family and friends for a book on > optical minerology (currently in print) that you would like to get for > Christmas, which book would you try for? > > I have noticed that Amazon.com is selling the 2004 book entitled, > Introduction to Optical Mineralogy, by William D. Nesse > Does anyone on the list have an opinion about that one? > > Your suggestions will be appreciated. I acquired an old petrographic > microscope a couple of years ago and am still trying to find the time > to learn how to use it for mineral identification. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > -- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 7 19:38:19 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 7 19:34:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn References: Message-ID: <4578DD52.77E8@Tomaszewski.net> When I start pulling down the old, out of print, mineralogy tomes from my bookshelf I find they all include the umlaut in Hauy (and the accent over the final e in Rene). Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Absolutely right Pete. > Blasphemous! > There is no umlaut in Hauyn... But wasn't he greatly involved in dealings > with German miners and nobelmen? > IF I'm not mistaken, Hauyn must have been the same age as that other > ultra-famous mineral collector Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. In Germany the > umlaut is put on a U to prevent people from pronouncing it as "you". The > American or English do not have words with a U that sounds like u. > "Ubermensch" comes close but that's nor really American, is it... > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > > Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 15:13 > > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn > > > > > > About hauyne.... while we're at this, would someone who knows please > > explain to me, I know that the word is properly written with a > > double dot (an > > unlaut, I assume it should be called) over the u, as is the name of the > > mineralogist it was named after, Rene Just Hauy; so my question, > > just what nationality > > is his name, because I assume it's French, but why does a French > > surname have > > an "umlaut" in it, that's normally a German character? I've > > always puzzled > > over that one. > > > > (Just looking up Hauy on the 'net, I don't see the umlaut used > > anywhere on > > his name, but perhaps they just omit it. He is known as the "Father of > > Crystallography".) > > > > Pete From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 19:37:42 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Dec 7 19:38:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... In-Reply-To: <44dc982634810bc809c1137c30cb837d@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <000401c71a2b$7ce7a420$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <44dc982634810bc809c1137c30cb837d@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <4578DE06.5010803@verizon.net> Hans Durstling wrote: > a Hauyn wolf. I must admit I don't get it though. Don From jabac at hal-pc.org Thu Dec 7 20:41:04 2006 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Thu Dec 7 19:39:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Word Games In-Reply-To: <5adf32a593c4acfc2db369767f1948be@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <4576DC98.80404@tenforward.com> <001901c71980$34227450$bcf8d04c@LarryRush> <8C8E7A4C66EA494-9F8-1356@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> <45779959.7498@Tomaszewski.net> <5adf32a593c4acfc2db369767f1948be@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <4578ECE0.8020004@hal-pc.org> Hans Durstling wrote: > Nope. > (Well at least not what I had in mind) > :) > > - Hans > > On 7-Dec-06, at 12:32 AM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> Blew on Blue >> >> >> >> >> >> Hans Durstling wrote: >> >>> >>> OK here's one out of the blue and no answer down below either: >>> >>> What would you call a collector who is avidly ravenously interested in >>> Hauyne and nothing else but? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Hans Durstling >>> Moncton, Canada >>> A Hauyne Hound, not to be confused with a Spotted Baskerville Quarry Wolf. john From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 19:58:39 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Dec 7 19:58:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy In-Reply-To: <8C8E84E1CF30F35-790-41F5@FWM-R06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8E84E1CF30F35-790-41F5@FWM-R06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4578E2EF.7010902@verizon.net> Hi, if you only have time, money, or space for one, Nesse should be the one. While the Bloss book is probably one of the great classics, Nesse is written in the Bloss tradition and is updated often. Nesse is one of the few people who consistently explains the concepts behind optics and one of the very few who correctly points out that beryl is not a ring silicate. We use it as a textbook, at least until my advisor's book is finished. I have about 9 optics books on my shelf, and they each have their pros and cons. For the beginner with only one book, I'd still recommend Nesse. Don From jabac at hal-pc.org Thu Dec 7 21:04:45 2006 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jabac) Date: Thu Dec 7 20:02:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... In-Reply-To: <4578DE06.5010803@verizon.net> References: <000401c71a2b$7ce7a420$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <44dc982634810bc809c1137c30cb837d@nbnet.nb.ca> <4578DE06.5010803@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4578F26D.5010908@hal-pc.org> DonH wrote: > Hans Durstling wrote: > >> a Hauyn wolf. > > > > I must admit I don't get it though. > > Don > > > A howling wolf? john From rocknate at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 20:21:28 2006 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Thu Dec 7 20:21:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books on Optical Mineralogy In-Reply-To: <4578E2EF.7010902@verizon.net> References: <8C8E84E1CF30F35-790-41F5@FWM-R06.sysops.aol.com> <4578E2EF.7010902@verizon.net> Message-ID: Don, and everyone else who responded Thank you all for your helpful suggestions. Now I can begin the hint dropping process. I'll try to keep it subtle....like sending out the URL to the Amazon.com listing for a used 3rd edition of Nesse's book to my family :-) Thanks again, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 12/7/06, DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > if you only have time, money, or space for one, Nesse should be the one. > While the Bloss book is probably one of the great classics, Nesse is > written in the Bloss tradition and is updated often. Nesse is one of > the few people who consistently explains the concepts behind optics and > one of the very few who correctly points out that beryl is not a ring > silicate. We use it as a textbook, at least until my advisor's book is > finished. I have about 9 optics books on my shelf, and they each have > their pros and cons. For the beginner with only one book, I'd still > recommend Nesse. > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Thu Dec 7 20:50:20 2006 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Thu Dec 7 20:43:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... In-Reply-To: <4578F26D.5010908@hal-pc.org> References: <000401c71a2b$7ce7a420$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <44dc982634810bc809c1137c30cb837d@nbnet.nb.ca> <4578DE06.5010803@verizon.net> <4578F26D.5010908@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <520055456933ef1ae2fd5ac5e69c15e5@nbnet.nb.ca> 'Zacly so, as said with a backcountry spotch impodiment. Cheers, Hans ============= On 8-Dec-06, at 1:04 AM, jabac wrote: > DonH wrote: >> Hans Durstling wrote: >>> a Hauyn wolf. >> I must admit I don't get it though. >> Don > > A howling wolf? > > > > john > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Dec 7 20:57:19 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Dec 7 20:57:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... In-Reply-To: <4578F26D.5010908@hal-pc.org> References: <000401c71a2b$7ce7a420$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <44dc982634810bc809c1137c30cb837d@nbnet.nb.ca> <4578DE06.5010803@verizon.net> <4578F26D.5010908@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <4578F0AF.5000601@verizon.net> jabac wrote: >> I must admit I don't get it though. >> >> Don > > A howling wolf? Ohhhhhh.... I haven't really been reading much of this thread, so maybe this has already been discussed... I was taught to pronounce it "hi-you-EEN," so I didn't make the connection. But I still should have been able to figure it out. My petrology professor pronounces it "hoyne", but I don't dare say anything. I just barely managed to pull my geochemistry grade up to a C after a long hard fight... my brain is not working too well at the moment. Thanks, Don From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Dec 8 01:41:30 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Dec 8 01:41:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now fluorescing Hauyn Message-ID: <20061208094130.23931.qmail@webmachine101.com> Thanks Axel Nosean has also been recorded from there! At least the sanidine crstals are large - I won't mistake those! Regards Steve > Hi Steve, > > Be aware that hauyn can be colorless... and sanidine can fluoresce in about > the same color. > So don't discard an orange fluorescing crystal (or spec or blob or whatever) > because it isn't blue and don't say it's hauyn just because it fluoresces > orange. > > To make matters worse another member of that family may appear in those > sanidine porphyry rocks: nosean. From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 8 02:13:17 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 8 02:13:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now here's an elegant solution: http://www.mineralienatlas.de/lexikon/index.php/Hauyn It's a German site so they should know when to use an umlaut. > I though that perhaps Ha?y was born in eastern France - perhaps > Alsace - an area that has strong influences from both French and > German languages. He might have been but I 'm not sure. > The references that I find to his birthplace are > not all consistent as to which St.-Just he was born in, nor can I pin > down the specifics using a search of MapQuest for France. Neither can I! It's a bit silly but even the Via Michelin, which is definitely French, fails to produce clear information about the birthplace of Hauyn. The number of villages and townships named St-Just is absolutely staggering :-). There is however only one St-Just that lies on river Oise and that is Saint-Just-en-Chauss?e, Picardie, Oise. > Two > articles mention Oise, which appears to refer to a place near > Belgium; Yes, north of Paris. Oise is both the name of a river and a providence. the other mentions St-Just-en-Chaus?e, which is a bit north > of Paris. Maybe Axel or some other European can clarify this! I think this is the one. About the umlaut; Germans use it to change the sound of a,e,u,o. Dutch speaking people use the same sign but in a different way. We call it a "trema". It indicates that the vowel underneath it should be pronounced separately from the one before it. Axel From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Dec 8 07:07:18 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 8 07:07:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... Message-ID: We all appreciate the little word game, Hans, even though the "howling wolf" was a little bit of a linguistic stretch. (I wasn't sure if I "got" it or not, either.) After I'd finished writing & posting that material about R.J. Hauy, I started to wonder if "Just Hauyne" was the answer you had in minded--double meaning to the Just, that would then be! Our igneous petrology prof. at Penn State always told us that mineral name was pronounced "Aw-ween" or "Ow-ween"; I think everyone has their own variant on it. Led to a nice little mineral discussion, though! Pete In a message dated 12/7/2006 9:43:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, sinico@nbnet.nb.ca writes: 'Zacly so, as said with a backcountry spotch impodiment. Cheers, Hans ============= On 8-Dec-06, at 1:04 AM, jabac wrote: > DonH wrote: >> Hans Durstling wrote: >>> a Hauyn wolf. >> I must admit I don't get it though. >> Don > > A howling wolf? > > > > john > -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Fri Dec 8 07:35:57 2006 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Fri Dec 8 07:36:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] You might be a rockhound if... Message-ID: <7aac8040612080735q27671acay7f807a67358af33a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.varockhounder.com/uploads/2006120622238277.JPG This picture is worth a thousand words. A close digging partner got this note yesterday... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 8 08:20:56 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 8 08:20:55 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn In-Reply-To: <4578DD52.77E8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Yes, I found some too. I think the umlaut was added later to aid pronounciation... I'm not sure though ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kreigh Tomaszewski > Verzonden: vrijdag 8 december 2006 4:38 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn > > > When I start pulling down the old, out of print, mineralogy tomes from > my bookshelf I find they all include the umlaut in Hauy (and the accent > over the final e in Rene). > > Kreigh > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Absolutely right Pete. > > Blasphemous! > > There is no umlaut in Hauyn... But wasn't he greatly involved > in dealings > > with German miners and nobelmen? > > IF I'm not mistaken, Hauyn must have been the same age as that other > > ultra-famous mineral collector Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. In > Germany the > > umlaut is put on a U to prevent people from pronouncing it as "you". The > > American or English do not have words with a U that sounds like u. > > "Ubermensch" comes close but that's nor really American, is it... > > > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > > > Verzonden: donderdag 7 december 2006 15:13 > > > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn > > > > > > > > > About hauyne.... while we're at this, would someone who knows please > > > explain to me, I know that the word is properly written with a > > > double dot (an > > > unlaut, I assume it should be called) over the u, as is the > name of the > > > mineralogist it was named after, Rene Just Hauy; so my question, > > > just what nationality > > > is his name, because I assume it's French, but why does a French > > > surname have > > > an "umlaut" in it, that's normally a German character? I've > > > always puzzled > > > over that one. > > > > > > (Just looking up Hauy on the 'net, I don't see the umlaut used > > > anywhere on > > > his name, but perhaps they just omit it. He is known as the > "Father of > > > Crystallography".) > > > > > > Pete > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Dec 8 08:33:51 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Dec 8 08:33:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... In-Reply-To: <4578F26D.5010908@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: How light in Tickle Canyon??? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens jabac > Verzonden: vrijdag 8 december 2006 6:05 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... > > > DonH wrote: > > Hans Durstling wrote: > > > >> a Hauyn wolf. > > > > > > > > I must admit I don't get it though. > > > > Don > > > > > > > > A howling wolf? > > > > john > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From finitestorm at yahoo.com Thu Dec 7 14:22:46 2006 From: finitestorm at yahoo.com (Jessica S) Date: Fri Dec 8 11:43:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhound gem show Message-ID: <20061207222247.82420.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, A friend of mine is a member of your list, but I haven't figured out how to join your list, so here I am emailng you. The reason being is that I would like to post the following message for your rockhounds. Thank you! Mesage: I was watching The Travel Channel the other day and they aired a program called Cash & Treasures on mining Oregon sunstones at Spectrum Mine near Plush, OR. The lady on the program found a beautiful stone and had it faceted into a 10 carat, $5200 stone, and then she sold it! This is a reminder that the program will be airing again on Saturday December 9th in the afternoon.in case anyone missed it the other day. Jessica Schenk www.highdesertgemsandminerals.com 775-830-5797 --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Fri Dec 8 11:48:02 2006 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Fri Dec 8 11:44:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question Message-ID: <000b01c71b01$ca347060$6f0ba118@feldsparflash> Does anyone on the list know of a collecting fee site in the Cooperstown, NY area south of the Mohawk River that that advertised amethyst collecting in the 1980's. ( the amethyst most likely was not local) This area was advertised by brochure in the Cooperstown Baseball Museum. Carolyn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 20:26:44 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Dec 8 20:26:47 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics Message-ID: <921111.99013.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings list: Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first aid gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to the plastics in the first aid and survival kits. I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all over the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and the bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are sweaty clothes (ick). The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in July or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does the plastic in rain ponchos. So-- What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from deteriorating. Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and Ammo boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious temperature changes. Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. tina --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Dec 8 20:37:40 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Dec 8 20:37:44 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] You might be a rockhound if... Message-ID: <887573.32357.qm@web60814.mail.yahoo.com> I laughed hysterically after reading Drew's link-- http://www.varockhounder.com/uploads/2006120622238277.JPG After processing several flats of rocks last weekend I have weird sounds coming out of the garbage disposal and a sneaking suspicion as to the cause of the curious gringing noise! Jeez those garnets are hard! I won't be calling maintenance on this one! tina -snip- This picture is worth a thousand words. A close digging partner got this note yesterday... Drew -snip- --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Dec 8 20:58:45 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Dec 8 20:58:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn Message-ID: <20061209045845.9358.qmail@webmachine101.com> There's also St Just, Cornwall. Maybe he was Gaelic not a Gaul? :o) > -------Original Message------- > From: Axel Emmermann > The number of villages and townships named St-Just is absolutely > staggering :-). > There is however only one St-Just that lies on river Oise and that is > Saint-Just-en-Chauss?e, Picardie, Oise. From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Dec 8 21:44:11 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Dec 8 21:44:13 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] And the Hauyn word game answer is... Message-ID: Think Halloween without the double el. Glenn > Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:37:42 -0800> From: donhalterman@verizon.net> > > Hans Durstling wrote:> > > a Hauyn wolf. > > > I must admit I don't get it though.> > Don> _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Dec 8 22:12:23 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 8 22:05:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics References: <921111.99013.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457A520E.3947@Tomaszewski.net> Tina, Get reflective sun shades to put in your windows. They will cut down on the amount of heat that gets into the parked car. Make them for the side windows too. Consider solar powered window fans to keep the car interior from collecting too much heat. They have mixed reviews. Cover your emergency crates with a space blanket to help keep heat out. You want a space blanket in your emergency kit anyway. Add some wire cable to your nylon rope. Gauze pads, and rolls of gauze (instead of tape), are not affected by heat. Pack them in their own sealed container (a mason jar?) so you can always make clean bandages. Visit a military surplus store and buy canned water. It lasts a lot longer, and tastes better, than water stored in plastic. Get some tupperware type containers so you can keep the various components of your emergency kit isolated from each other. Each layer of packaging slows down the heat. Safety when collecting in the field is always on topic. Kreigh tango juli wrote: > > Greetings list: > Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. > I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first aid gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to the plastics in the first aid and survival kits. > I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all over the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and the bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are sweaty clothes (ick). > > The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in July or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does the plastic in rain ponchos. > So-- > What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from deteriorating. Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and Ammo boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. > To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious temperature changes. > > Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. > tina > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Sat Dec 9 01:08:04 2006 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sat Dec 9 01:08:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <921111.99013.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c71b71$5d180c60$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Tina: I'll second and echo Kreigh plus add a few lengthy personal opinions. Yeah, a space blanket is always a good idea, especially keeping one in the kit, but I think you would be better served by covering the items with a surplus wool blanket(s). They may not reflect, but they'll insulate and protect. Uncovering the shady side to let heat vent while you drive from place to place helps somewhat. Plus you can always use them to buffer items and keep things upright and they're incredibly cheap Never count on band-Aids that get cooked in a car. I keep maybe 5-10 in a sandwich bag and I'm quick to replace them, especially before going rockhounding or on a long trip. Use cloth bandages (no adhesive) and gauze as Kreigh suggests. I also keep a couple rolls of adhesive tape (cloth type) in the 1st aid kit. They last much longer then band aids when cooked in a cars heat; I figure they're good for a couple of seasons including summer. They may get sticky, but they'll still work... Oh yeah, covering your fingertips with adhesive tape can help protect them from broken rock shards like quartz flakes. I do try and keep a travel tube of Neosporin in a sandwich bag (the tubes always leak when hot), I also try and keep a bottle of merthiolate in the 1st aid canister. I use a metal can for first aid stuff... The basic first aid single or double latch metal container; I put scissors in the kit, but I rarely find them when I need them. If the box gets too much sun and keeps cooking, then paint it white... Another item that I replace frequently is the super glue stuff for cuts and bandages. The heat of a closed car ruins the stuff quickly, but using good first aid super glue on a deep gash is amazing. It's one of the items I check before going on a trip. I don't panic if it's hardened, but I do replace it as soon as I hit the grocery. As far as cold packs, the only place I've found them to stay good is in my basement. The cold pack that came in the kit survived for a couple of years till I gave it to someone who hurt their knee. I have never found another similar cold pack. I carry cold packs to my kids sporting events, but otherwise leave them home... There is always ice in the drink cooler (more on that below) and plastic zip bags in the buckets. Use FDA approved water containers or get the military MWC steel/plastic cans. Contrary to internet myth; the FDA approved plastic containers do not leak dioxins. Keep them covered so the sun doesn't cook them and change the water every time you come across good water. I don't care what you keep water in, it will taste of the container; the warmer you let the water get, the stronger the flavor. A trick I learned in college (Temple) where the water was notoriously bad, is that water always tastes better when drunk from a glass bottle. Fill the glass bottle half full, shake it vigorously for a few seconds and drink. I use a large insulated drink cooler, you know, the round ones you see on construction sites and at sports games. They come as large as 10 gallons. Mine is an igloo that has a press-on insulated top. If you can get blocks of ice, they work best and last longest. Put as many blocks as will fit in the cooler (or fill with ice cubes) then fill with water. Even in the back of my pickup, with a dark blue camper cap in Utah and Nevada, the water stayed cold for days (family of 4 drinking it too). Every few days add more ice instead of water. Unfortunately the ice cubes do not last as long as the blocks, still good for a few days. You do have to unload the drink cooler every time you get back, but the emergency water in the jugs only need to be topped off. If I'm using the jugs for washing water or emergency drink water I don't really care what it tastes like. I'm not sure what you have been using for rope, but I doubt it is nylon rope for outdoor use. I've had nylon rope on my boat that has been in the sun continuously for 15 years. It may be gray and stiff, but it is still plenty strong. I may buy the cheap parachute cord occasionally for one time uses, but I don't depend on it. I use marine grade nylon ropes for longer length requirements (e.g. for hanging a tarp between two distant points) and I use climbing rope for smaller lengths. Why climbing rope for shorter lengths? Well, affordable nylon rope is twisted not woven, and requires a whipped end to stay together. All climbing rope requires is a match to seal the end. I don't actually use the 9-11mm rope that climbers use to scale walls; I do use the 5-7mm stuff they use for accessories. A good adventure store will cut it to length and you buy it by the foot. It may be a lot pricier, but I think it is cheaper in the long run. It is also much much easier to untie, even wet, when one needs to. I don't use polypropylene rope as it never stops stretching. I have no solution for the plastic bags hazing other than replacing them. I empty most of my gear each time, since I use the truck for other things. The plastic bags are one of the items I bring back inside and use up. Most of the clear plastic items do not have any UV protection and suffer damage rapidly from the sun. The plastic items with the best UV protection are usually black or very dark green. There are somewhat clear plastic items that have UV protection, only the more UV protected they are, the less clear they become. I only use white plastic buckets for carrying odd items and fishing as the sun just chews them up too quickly (again, no UV protection in the plastic). My main buckets are the colored ones they sell in farm supply stores for use on the farm. These buckets are designed for outside use, last much longer and they're tapered so they are easier to separate when gritty; much much easier. I also got the ones with one flat side; they're easier to carry full when you keep the flat side towards your leg. I have no recommendations on batteries. I stopped keeping a flashlight in the truck continuously, since the batteries always die and it doesn't work when I need it. It's just one of the items I have to stick in the car before leaving. I do keep a LED model in my pack. The pack, rainsuit and tent do not get left in the truck and never in a closed vehicle. Plastic (PVC) rainsuits are not UV protected and will degrade even quicker than the baggies. The polyurethane waterproof layer on better rainsuits, packs and tents degrades rapidly in hot cars. One of the degradation products is a butyric derivative easily recognized by the vomit like smell. A quick way to ruin a $300 tent is to leave it in the trunk during the summer. Use the reflective sunshades as Kreigh suggests, put solar window film on your windows and keep the windows vented. The sunshades and films really do work. They'll change your summertime driving experience from getting in your seat gingerly and finding the steering wheel burning hot to touch you'll be able to hop in the seat without wincing, start the engine and drive. While we're on the topic of desert rockhounding. Get a cheap sprayer from the local big box store. A one gallon plastic one for under $15 works great. Mark it with large letters that it's for safe water. Fill it to the recommended level and take it with you... Well, maybe not if you're hiking far. Spray your hat, face and back frequently and you'll find even really hot days much more comfortable. This trick doesn't work so well when the humidity is high; but it will cause chills to run up your spine in the desert. Good Luck! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:27 PM To: rockhounds list Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics Greetings list: Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first aid gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to the plastics in the first aid and survival kits. I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all over the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and the bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are sweaty clothes (ick). The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in July or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does the plastic in rain ponchos. So-- What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from deteriorating. Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and Ammo boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious temperature changes. Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. tina --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 9 02:22:26 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 9 02:22:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers In-Reply-To: <20061209045845.9358.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: Using an umlaut in Cornwall is considered especially heinous misdoing. The misspeller is handed over to the people that carry out the traditional, somewhat medieval punishment. After 4 hrs of marinating in warm ale the condemned taken out by traditionally dressed (sheepskin) guards. They are forced to read a text out loud that is written in Gaelic on a 900 year old parchment. It says 'Ayamso gey. Taekmenouw'. The crowd then shouts back in perfect English: ARE YOU NOW? OK, HAVE IT YOUR WAY... There is no recidivism in Cornwall. Don't go there if your name is G?nter of J?rgen (or Ha?yn) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens magnet > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 december 2006 5:59 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] was Word Games, now just Hauyn > > > There's also St Just, Cornwall. Maybe he was Gaelic not a Gaul? :o) > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Axel Emmermann > > The number of villages and townships named St-Just is absolutely > > staggering :-). > > There is however only one St-Just that lies on river Oise and that is > > Saint-Just-en-Chauss?e, Picardie, Oise. > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Dec 9 05:41:03 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Dec 9 05:41:11 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics References: <001e01c71b71$5d180c60$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <002c01c71b97$abccb600$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Ted, Mind if I use your note in our geology club newsletter? We don't live in a desert, but it can get &%$#* hot in the summer. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Kowalski" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > Tina: > I'll second and echo Kreigh plus add a few lengthy personal opinions. > > Yeah, a space blanket is always a good idea, especially keeping one in the > kit, but I think you would be better served by covering the items with a > surplus wool blanket(s). They may not reflect, but they'll insulate and > protect. Uncovering the shady side to let heat vent while you drive from > place to place helps somewhat. Plus you can always use them to buffer > items > and keep things upright and they're incredibly cheap > > Never count on band-Aids that get cooked in a car. I keep maybe 5-10 in a > sandwich bag and I'm quick to replace them, especially before going > rockhounding or on a long trip. Use cloth bandages (no adhesive) and gauze > as Kreigh suggests. I also keep a couple rolls of adhesive tape (cloth > type) > in the 1st aid kit. They last much longer then band aids when cooked in a > cars heat; I figure they're good for a couple of seasons including summer. > They may get sticky, but they'll still work... Oh yeah, covering your > fingertips with adhesive tape can help protect them from broken rock > shards > like quartz flakes. > > I do try and keep a travel tube of Neosporin in a sandwich bag (the tubes > always leak when hot), I also try and keep a bottle of merthiolate in the > 1st aid canister. I use a metal can for first aid stuff... The basic first > aid single or double latch metal container; I put scissors in the kit, but > I > rarely find them when I need them. If the box gets too much sun and keeps > cooking, then paint it white... > > Another item that I replace frequently is the super glue stuff for cuts > and > bandages. The heat of a closed car ruins the stuff quickly, but using good > first aid super glue on a deep gash is amazing. It's one of the items I > check before going on a trip. I don't panic if it's hardened, but I do > replace it as soon as I hit the grocery. > > As far as cold packs, the only place I've found them to stay good is in my > basement. The cold pack that came in the kit survived for a couple of > years > till I gave it to someone who hurt their knee. I have never found another > similar cold pack. I carry cold packs to my kids sporting events, but > otherwise leave them home... There is always ice in the drink cooler (more > on that below) and plastic zip bags in the buckets. > > Use FDA approved water containers or get the military MWC steel/plastic > cans. Contrary to internet myth; the FDA approved plastic containers do > not > leak dioxins. Keep them covered so the sun doesn't cook them and change > the > water every time you come across good water. I don't care what you keep > water in, it will taste of the container; the warmer you let the water > get, > the stronger the flavor. A trick I learned in college (Temple) where the > water was notoriously bad, is that water always tastes better when drunk > from a glass bottle. Fill the glass bottle half full, shake it vigorously > for a few seconds and drink. > > I use a large insulated drink cooler, you know, the round ones you see on > construction sites and at sports games. They come as large as 10 gallons. > Mine is an igloo that has a press-on insulated top. If you can get blocks > of > ice, they work best and last longest. Put as many blocks as will fit in > the > cooler (or fill with ice cubes) then fill with water. Even in the back of > my > pickup, with a dark blue camper cap in Utah and Nevada, the water stayed > cold for days (family of 4 drinking it too). Every few days add more ice > instead of water. Unfortunately the ice cubes do not last as long as the > blocks, still good for a few days. You do have to unload the drink cooler > every time you get back, but the emergency water in the jugs only need to > be > topped off. If I'm using the jugs for washing water or emergency drink > water > I don't really care what it tastes like. > > I'm not sure what you have been using for rope, but I doubt it is nylon > rope > for outdoor use. I've had nylon rope on my boat that has been in the sun > continuously for 15 years. It may be gray and stiff, but it is still > plenty > strong. I may buy the cheap parachute cord occasionally for one time uses, > but I don't depend on it. I use marine grade nylon ropes for longer length > requirements (e.g. for hanging a tarp between two distant points) and I > use > climbing rope for smaller lengths. Why climbing rope for shorter lengths? > Well, affordable nylon rope is twisted not woven, and requires a whipped > end > to stay together. All climbing rope requires is a match to seal the end. I > don't actually use the 9-11mm rope that climbers use to scale walls; I do > use the 5-7mm stuff they use for accessories. A good adventure store will > cut it to length and you buy it by the foot. It may be a lot pricier, but > I > think it is cheaper in the long run. It is also much much easier to untie, > even wet, when one needs to. I don't use polypropylene rope as it never > stops stretching. > > I have no solution for the plastic bags hazing other than replacing them. > I > empty most of my gear each time, since I use the truck for other things. > The > plastic bags are one of the items I bring back inside and use up. Most of > the clear plastic items do not have any UV protection and suffer damage > rapidly from the sun. The plastic items with the best UV protection are > usually black or very dark green. There are somewhat clear plastic items > that have UV protection, only the more UV protected they are, the less > clear > they become. > > I only use white plastic buckets for carrying odd items and fishing as the > sun just chews them up too quickly (again, no UV protection in the > plastic). > My main buckets are the colored ones they sell in farm supply stores for > use > on the farm. These buckets are designed for outside use, last much longer > and they're tapered so they are easier to separate when gritty; much much > easier. I also got the ones with one flat side; they're easier to carry > full > when you keep the flat side towards your leg. > > I have no recommendations on batteries. I stopped keeping a flashlight in > the truck continuously, since the batteries always die and it doesn't work > when I need it. It's just one of the items I have to stick in the car > before > leaving. I do keep a LED model in my pack. The pack, rainsuit and tent do > not get left in the truck and never in a closed vehicle. > > Plastic (PVC) rainsuits are not UV protected and will degrade even quicker > than the baggies. The polyurethane waterproof layer on better rainsuits, > packs and tents degrades rapidly in hot cars. One of the degradation > products is a butyric derivative easily recognized by the vomit like > smell. > A quick way to ruin a $300 tent is to leave it in the trunk during the > summer. > > Use the reflective sunshades as Kreigh suggests, put solar window film on > your windows and keep the windows vented. The sunshades and films really > do > work. They'll change your summertime driving experience from getting in > your > seat gingerly and finding the steering wheel burning hot to touch you'll > be > able to hop in the seat without wincing, start the engine and drive. > > While we're on the topic of desert rockhounding. Get a cheap sprayer from > the local big box store. A one gallon plastic one for under $15 works > great. > Mark it with large letters that it's for safe water. Fill it to the > recommended level and take it with you... Well, maybe not if you're hiking > far. Spray your hat, face and back frequently and you'll find even really > hot days much more comfortable. This trick doesn't work so well when the > humidity is high; but it will cause chills to run up your spine in the > desert. > > Good Luck! > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:27 PM > To: rockhounds list > Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > Greetings list: > Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I > wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. > I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take > my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first > aid > gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will > have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to > the > plastics in the first aid and survival kits. > I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and > discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all > over > the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and > the > bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is > bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are > sweaty > clothes (ick). > > The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert > heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a > last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months > out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in > July > or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does > the > plastic in rain ponchos. > So-- > What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the > desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from > deteriorating. > Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides > taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and > Ammo > boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers > online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. > To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be > over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside > during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious > temperature changes. > > Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. > tina > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Dec 9 06:12:31 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 9 06:12:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <002c01c71b97$abccb600$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <001e01c71b71$5d180c60$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <002c01c71b97$abccb600$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: LOL it isn't dioxins it's just the plasticizers in the plastic. BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 9 07:00:37 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Dec 9 07:00:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <001e01c71b71$5d180c60$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <20061209150037.18549.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ted: A very good and comprehensive answer. I'll just add a few points. I know of no plastic, FDA or not, that releases dioxins on degradation. It's purely an "urban legend". For buckets, I use the white plastic. They don't last long, but they cost nothing (literally). Find someone in the drywall business. They dispose of 5 gallon white buckets every day. If you need to use plastic film & sheet, get "greenhouse filn". It is UV-protected and lasts up to 4 or 5 years outdoors. Finally, for a flashlight, they now make LED flashlights that use no batteries. You crank it when you need light. Mine also has a radio, compass and siren built in. I can't comment on how good it works, since I just got it. Jim Daly Ted Kowalski wrote: Tina: I'll second and echo Kreigh plus add a few lengthy personal opinions. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 9 07:41:58 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Dec 9 07:42:03 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers References: Message-ID: <004001c71ba8$906a26c0$7a2ad64c@LarryRush> Methinks that Axel should be nominated as the Rockhounds official "court jester"..... Thanks for a good laugh, Axel! Larry ================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "magnet" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers > Using an umlaut in Cornwall is considered especially heinous misdoing. > The misspeller is handed over to the people that carry out the > traditional, > somewhat medieval punishment. > After 4 hrs of marinating in warm ale the condemned taken out by > traditionally dressed (sheepskin) guards. > They are forced to read a text out loud that is written in Gaelic on a 900 > year old parchment. It says 'Ayamso gey. Taekmenouw'. > The crowd then shouts back in perfect English: ARE YOU NOW? OK, HAVE IT > YOUR > WAY... > There is no recidivism in Cornwall. > > Don't go there if your name is G?nter of J?rgen (or Ha?yn) > > Axel From Ted at crystalgems.com Sat Dec 9 09:13:49 2006 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sat Dec 9 09:13:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <002c01c71b97$abccb600$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <004b01c71bb5$305d7450$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Alan and Carolyn: Take what you want of my opinions. Be sure to include Kreigh suggestions as they are great; also Jim's informative comments. None of the ideas are my own; I've picked up every one from someone else. Usually as a Doh! A few more opinions..., er insights: In the muggy East, It isn't as easy to keep cool when the heat wave is on and the humidity is above 80%. I learned during my stint as a mailman that a damp towel can sure improve how you feel. Wiping off the salt and dust with a damp towel freshens you up and lets you start evaporating sweat again. It isn't hard in the west with the low humidity for even the saltiest sweat to evaporate. In the East, you can quickly reach a point where the salt in the sweat prevents evaporation in the high humidity's. Keep the towel just barely damp; if the towel is wet you are less effective at picking up the sweat and dust. (Think of trying to wipe up water on a counter; wet towels smear, dry towels don't clean, damp towels pick up moisture and clean the surface.) Don't worry about looking like a sissy, use the towel frequently (half hour to 45 minutes). I have an old felt Stetson that I often wear in the summer. I soak the hat in a bucket before working in the sun. Every so often, I add some water into it and get it damp again. The plasticizers are mentioned in the urban legend about dioxins http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-microwave-dioxin2.htm. I like the idea of greenhouse film... And I even have a small greenhouse as a sun room... What was I saying earlier? Another Doh! Yeah, I get my white buckets free too. I prefer the food grade ones from the local groceries with bakery/cake shops. The cheap icing used on the cakes comes in 3, 5 and 6 gallon buckets. Cleaning that lard like icing can be tough; I scrape the majority of the icing out, and then take out the upper dishwasher rack and put the bucket(s) on the bottom upside down. Only, I got tired of fighting them. Free is good, dependable is better. I've had enough of stuck buckets, split buckets when I fill them with water and handles pulling out when I've filled them with rock for the hike back to the truck. Well, I confess, I do use the small white buckets; that is the cheap ones found in the paint department. They're only about a gallon or two. I use a broad permanent marker and write the kids names on them, large and dark. I consider the buckets disposable in that I send them home with the kids. In amusement, Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:41 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics Ted, Mind if I use your note in our geology club newsletter? We don't live in a desert, but it can get &%$#* hot in the summer. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Kowalski" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 4:08 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > Tina: > I'll second and echo Kreigh plus add a few lengthy personal opinions. > > Yeah, a space blanket is always a good idea, especially keeping one in the > kit, but I think you would be better served by covering the items with a > surplus wool blanket(s). They may not reflect, but they'll insulate and > protect. Uncovering the shady side to let heat vent while you drive from > place to place helps somewhat. Plus you can always use them to buffer > items > and keep things upright and they're incredibly cheap > > Never count on band-Aids that get cooked in a car. I keep maybe 5-10 in a > sandwich bag and I'm quick to replace them, especially before going > rockhounding or on a long trip. Use cloth bandages (no adhesive) and gauze > as Kreigh suggests. I also keep a couple rolls of adhesive tape (cloth > type) > in the 1st aid kit. They last much longer then band aids when cooked in a > cars heat; I figure they're good for a couple of seasons including summer. > They may get sticky, but they'll still work... Oh yeah, covering your > fingertips with adhesive tape can help protect them from broken rock > shards > like quartz flakes. > > I do try and keep a travel tube of Neosporin in a sandwich bag (the tubes > always leak when hot), I also try and keep a bottle of merthiolate in the > 1st aid canister. I use a metal can for first aid stuff... The basic first > aid single or double latch metal container; I put scissors in the kit, but > I > rarely find them when I need them. If the box gets too much sun and keeps > cooking, then paint it white... > > Another item that I replace frequently is the super glue stuff for cuts > and > bandages. The heat of a closed car ruins the stuff quickly, but using good > first aid super glue on a deep gash is amazing. It's one of the items I > check before going on a trip. I don't panic if it's hardened, but I do > replace it as soon as I hit the grocery. > > As far as cold packs, the only place I've found them to stay good is in my > basement. The cold pack that came in the kit survived for a couple of > years > till I gave it to someone who hurt their knee. I have never found another > similar cold pack. I carry cold packs to my kids sporting events, but > otherwise leave them home... There is always ice in the drink cooler (more > on that below) and plastic zip bags in the buckets. > > Use FDA approved water containers or get the military MWC steel/plastic > cans. Contrary to internet myth; the FDA approved plastic containers do > not > leak dioxins. Keep them covered so the sun doesn't cook them and change > the > water every time you come across good water. I don't care what you keep > water in, it will taste of the container; the warmer you let the water > get, > the stronger the flavor. A trick I learned in college (Temple) where the > water was notoriously bad, is that water always tastes better when drunk > from a glass bottle. Fill the glass bottle half full, shake it vigorously > for a few seconds and drink. > > I use a large insulated drink cooler, you know, the round ones you see on > construction sites and at sports games. They come as large as 10 gallons. > Mine is an igloo that has a press-on insulated top. If you can get blocks > of > ice, they work best and last longest. Put as many blocks as will fit in > the > cooler (or fill with ice cubes) then fill with water. Even in the back of > my > pickup, with a dark blue camper cap in Utah and Nevada, the water stayed > cold for days (family of 4 drinking it too). Every few days add more ice > instead of water. Unfortunately the ice cubes do not last as long as the > blocks, still good for a few days. You do have to unload the drink cooler > every time you get back, but the emergency water in the jugs only need to > be > topped off. If I'm using the jugs for washing water or emergency drink > water > I don't really care what it tastes like. > > I'm not sure what you have been using for rope, but I doubt it is nylon > rope > for outdoor use. I've had nylon rope on my boat that has been in the sun > continuously for 15 years. It may be gray and stiff, but it is still > plenty > strong. I may buy the cheap parachute cord occasionally for one time uses, > but I don't depend on it. I use marine grade nylon ropes for longer length > requirements (e.g. for hanging a tarp between two distant points) and I > use > climbing rope for smaller lengths. Why climbing rope for shorter lengths? > Well, affordable nylon rope is twisted not woven, and requires a whipped > end > to stay together. All climbing rope requires is a match to seal the end. I > don't actually use the 9-11mm rope that climbers use to scale walls; I do > use the 5-7mm stuff they use for accessories. A good adventure store will > cut it to length and you buy it by the foot. It may be a lot pricier, but > I > think it is cheaper in the long run. It is also much much easier to untie, > even wet, when one needs to. I don't use polypropylene rope as it never > stops stretching. > > I have no solution for the plastic bags hazing other than replacing them. > I > empty most of my gear each time, since I use the truck for other things. > The > plastic bags are one of the items I bring back inside and use up. Most of > the clear plastic items do not have any UV protection and suffer damage > rapidly from the sun. The plastic items with the best UV protection are > usually black or very dark green. There are somewhat clear plastic items > that have UV protection, only the more UV protected they are, the less > clear > they become. > > I only use white plastic buckets for carrying odd items and fishing as the > sun just chews them up too quickly (again, no UV protection in the > plastic). > My main buckets are the colored ones they sell in farm supply stores for > use > on the farm. These buckets are designed for outside use, last much longer > and they're tapered so they are easier to separate when gritty; much much > easier. I also got the ones with one flat side; they're easier to carry > full > when you keep the flat side towards your leg. > > I have no recommendations on batteries. I stopped keeping a flashlight in > the truck continuously, since the batteries always die and it doesn't work > when I need it. It's just one of the items I have to stick in the car > before > leaving. I do keep a LED model in my pack. The pack, rainsuit and tent do > not get left in the truck and never in a closed vehicle. > > Plastic (PVC) rainsuits are not UV protected and will degrade even quicker > than the baggies. The polyurethane waterproof layer on better rainsuits, > packs and tents degrades rapidly in hot cars. One of the degradation > products is a butyric derivative easily recognized by the vomit like > smell. > A quick way to ruin a $300 tent is to leave it in the trunk during the > summer. > > Use the reflective sunshades as Kreigh suggests, put solar window film on > your windows and keep the windows vented. The sunshades and films really > do > work. They'll change your summertime driving experience from getting in > your > seat gingerly and finding the steering wheel burning hot to touch you'll > be > able to hop in the seat without wincing, start the engine and drive. > > While we're on the topic of desert rockhounding. Get a cheap sprayer from > the local big box store. A one gallon plastic one for under $15 works > great. > Mark it with large letters that it's for safe water. Fill it to the > recommended level and take it with you... Well, maybe not if you're hiking > far. Spray your hat, face and back frequently and you'll find even really > hot days much more comfortable. This trick doesn't work so well when the > humidity is high; but it will cause chills to run up your spine in the > desert. > > Good Luck! > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:27 PM > To: rockhounds list > Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > Greetings list: > Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I > wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. > I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take > my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first > aid > gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will > have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to > the > plastics in the first aid and survival kits. > I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and > discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all > over > the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and > the > bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is > bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are > sweaty > clothes (ick). > > The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert > heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a > last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months > out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in > July > or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does > the > plastic in rain ponchos. > So-- > What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the > desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from > deteriorating. > Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides > taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and > Ammo > boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers > online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. > To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be > over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside > during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious > temperature changes. > > Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. > tina > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 9 09:19:07 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 9 09:19:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers In-Reply-To: <004001c71ba8$906a26c0$7a2ad64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: Recogintion at last!!! Thanks Larry... Methinks me needs co?ch-session with good shrink ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Lawrence Rush > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 december 2006 16:42 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers > > > Methinks that Axel should be nominated as the Rockhounds official "court > jester"..... > > Thanks for a good laugh, Axel! > > Larry > > ================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "magnet" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list > for rock and gem collectors" > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 5:22 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers > > > > Using an umlaut in Cornwall is considered especially heinous misdoing. > > The misspeller is handed over to the people that carry out the > > traditional, > > somewhat medieval punishment. > > After 4 hrs of marinating in warm ale the condemned taken out by > > traditionally dressed (sheepskin) guards. > > They are forced to read a text out loud that is written in > Gaelic on a 900 > > year old parchment. It says 'Ayamso gey. Taekmenouw'. > > The crowd then shouts back in perfect English: ARE YOU NOW? OK, HAVE IT > > YOUR > > WAY... > > There is no recidivism in Cornwall. > > > > Don't go there if your name is G?nter of J?rgen (or Ha?yn) > > > > Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Dec 9 09:45:17 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Dec 9 09:44:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics References: <004b01c71bb5$305d7450$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <001501c71bb9$ca6513b0$7a2ad64c@LarryRush> In the humid days of summer in the East, I often wear an athletic headband, of thick woven material, dampened with cool water, when digging. It not only helps with the heat, but as it dries, it absorbs sweat from your forehead, and prevents it from running into your eyes or eyeglasses. Larry ================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Kowalski" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > Alan and Carolyn: > Take what you want of my opinions. Be sure to include Kreigh suggestions > as > they are great; also Jim's informative comments. > > None of the ideas are my own; I've picked up every one from someone else. > Usually as a Doh! > > A few more opinions..., er insights: > > In the muggy East, It isn't as easy to keep cool when the heat wave is on > and the humidity is above 80%. I learned during my stint as a mailman that > a > damp towel can sure improve how you feel. Wiping off the salt and dust > with > a damp towel freshens you up and lets you start evaporating sweat again. > It > isn't hard in the west with the low humidity for even the saltiest sweat > to > evaporate. In the East, you can quickly reach a point where the salt in > the > sweat prevents evaporation in the high humidity's. Keep the towel just > barely damp; if the towel is wet you are less effective at picking up the > sweat and dust. (Think of trying to wipe up water on a counter; wet towels > smear, dry towels don't clean, damp towels pick up moisture and clean the > surface.) Don't worry about looking like a sissy, use the towel frequently > (half hour to 45 minutes). > > I have an old felt Stetson that I often wear in the summer. I soak the hat > in a bucket before working in the sun. Every so often, I add some water > into > it and get it damp again. > > The plasticizers are mentioned in the urban legend about dioxins > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-microwave-dioxin2.htm. > > I like the idea of greenhouse film... And I even have a small greenhouse > as > a sun room... What was I saying earlier? Another Doh! > > Yeah, I get my white buckets free too. I prefer the food grade ones from > the > local groceries with bakery/cake shops. The cheap icing used on the cakes > comes in 3, 5 and 6 gallon buckets. Cleaning that lard like icing can be > tough; I scrape the majority of the icing out, and then take out the upper > dishwasher rack and put the bucket(s) on the bottom upside down. Only, I > got > tired of fighting them. Free is good, dependable is better. I've had > enough > of stuck buckets, split buckets when I fill them with water and handles > pulling out when I've filled them with rock for the hike back to the > truck. > > Well, I confess, I do use the small white buckets; that is the cheap ones > found in the paint department. They're only about a gallon or two. I use a > broad permanent marker and write the kids names on them, large and dark. I > consider the buckets disposable in that I send them home with the kids. > > In amusement, > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sat Dec 9 11:00:29 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sat Dec 9 11:00:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Denver Show: September In The Rockies Message-ID: <457B07CD.6010502@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, I hope this newest writing finds you all well! I've my most recent paper here (click on the link below) and while a bit belated, I hope you'll still enjoy it. I call this one... The Denver Show: September In The Rockies http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishSeptember06.html From hammerron at yahoo.com Sat Dec 9 11:04:44 2006 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Sat Dec 9 11:04:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Native Aluminum Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20061209140241.01daaf00@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Pete, All: From what I've understood in the previous post, I wonder why native aluminum doesn't occur naturally with a fine coating of corundum on its surface? At 12/3/2006, you wrote: >Aluminum is an element with a very strong affinity to combine with oxygen, >and forms very strong chemical bonds with oxygen, so that when you >start with >aluminum all combined as oxygen compounds (as it is in the crust of the >earth), it is very difficult to decompose them and produce the free metal. > >The very excellent chemistry web site, webelements.com (check it out), after >presenting some very good data on the abundance and occurrence of aluminum >in the Earth, concludes with this final paragraph: > >Notes >Aluminium metal is not found as the free element, however, aluminium is an >abundant element in the earth's crust. The most important ore is bauxite. >Aluminum, though a very common element in the earth, was not produced as the >pure metal until 1825, requiring some fairly extraordinary and difficult >chemical procedures, again from Webelements: >Aluminium was first isolated by Hans Christian Oersted in 1825 who reacted >aluminium chloride (AlCl3) with potassium amalgam (an alloy of potassium and >mercury). Heating the resulting aluminium amalgam under reduced pressure >caused the mercury to boil away leaving aluminium metal. >Aluminum was a very expensive laboratory curiosity until 1886 when Hall >perfected a process to produce it electrolytically (passing >electrical current >through aluminum ore dissolved in molten cryolite), and it then >became readily >available for the many uses it has today; pre-1886 (from Wikipedia), >this was >done in 1884: >Aluminium was selected as the material to be used for the apex of the >_Washington Monument_ >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument) , at a time >when one _ounce_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ounce) cost twice the daily >wages of a common worker in the project; aluminium was a semiprecious metal >at that time._[4]_ >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#_note-http:.2F.2Fwww.tms.org.2Fpubs.2Fjournals.2FJOM.2F9511.2FBinczewski-9511.html) > >Iron is much easier to produce from its ores than aluminum is. The reason >that aluminum does not "rust" the way iron does, is another >classic example in >chemistry, of a "protective layer". With its strong affinity for oxygen, >the surface of any piece of aluminum quickly forms a >microscopically thin layer >of oxygen atoms bonded to aluminum, forming a micro-layer of aluminum oxide >(corundum) which is very tough and inert, and prevents any further oxidation >of the metal underneath; and even keeps the aluminum looking bright and >shiny. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Dec 9 11:53:24 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Dec 9 11:53:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Native Aluminum Question In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20061209140241.01daaf00@pop.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20061209140241.01daaf00@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <457B1434.8080003@verizon.net> The Hammer wrote: > Pete, All: > > From what I've understood in the previous post, I wonder why native > aluminum doesn't occur naturally with a fine coating of corundum on its > surface? Hi, It's all a matter of simple geochemistry and petrology. Al is probably the 3rd most abundant element in the crust. Feldspars contain Al and they are the most abundant mineral group in the upper crust. As magmas cool, their hot fluids crystallize; mineral crystallization is dependent on an atom's size and charge, among other things, and Al has the right size and charge to fit into the feldspar structures. Suffice it to say that the Al-bearing minerals form early and therefore the Al is locked up in feldspars and corundum, primarily. Corundum forms if there is excess Al, otherwise you won't find it in a lot of primary igneous rocks, though you can find it in Al-rich metamorphic rocks. Al forms strong bonds, and as rocks weather to form clays, the Al-O bonds are one of the last to go. There are equations, called acid-hydrolysis equations, that demonstrate this, but after what I just went through, I'm not in the mood to open a geochemistry text right now. In any case, the Al remains mostly locked up even in weathering. I'm not certain if aluminium oxide formed from weathering is corundum--same formula, but perhaps a different structure? I should remember this by heart, but I don't, though logic dictates that corundum is a higher P-T mineral and simply wouldn't form at surface conditions. Don From kadok at infowest.com Sat Dec 9 13:13:30 2006 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Dec 9 13:13:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <001e01c71b71$5d180c60$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <003101c71bd6$e0991ab0$0200a8c0@kadok> .... Just some additions to Ted's excellent advice: >A trick I learned in college (Temple) where the >water was notoriously bad, is that water always tastes better when drunk >from a glass bottle. Fill the glass bottle half full, shake it vigorously >for a few seconds and drink. One thing I found out while in Australia, in Yowah. The water here comes from an underground spring at 130 degrees. It tastes really bad, sulfur-y, even when cooled. BUT if you just fill some glass bottles and set them aside, uncapped, in a day or two they will be just fine! No bad taste! >I use a large insulated drink cooler, you know, the round ones you see on >construction sites and at sports games. They come as large as 10 gallons. >Mine is an igloo that has a press-on insulated top. Put as many blocks as >will fit in the >cooler (or fill with ice cubes) then fill with water. .. I save my half gallon milk bottles (or you can use gallons if you have a large cooler) and fill them with water and freeze them before I leave. >....climbing rope for smaller lengths. Why climbing rope for shorter >lengths? >Well, affordable nylon rope is twisted not woven, and requires a whipped > >to stay together. All climbing rope requires is a match to seal the end. I >don't actually use the 9-11mm rope that climbers use to scale walls; I do >use the 5-7mm stuff they use for accessories. Yes, don't use the actual climbing rope; it is "dynamic" and stretches a lot under sudden strain. (and then should not be used again as it may break) Cheers! Margaret Malm -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:27 PM To: rockhounds list Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics Greetings list: Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first aid gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to the plastics in the first aid and survival kits. I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all over the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and the bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are sweaty clothes (ick). The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in July or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does the plastic in rain ponchos. So-- What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from deteriorating. Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and Ammo boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious temperature changes. Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. tina --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Dec 9 13:56:33 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Dec 9 13:56:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/sweat bands References: <004b01c71bb5$305d7450$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <001501c71bb9$ca6513b0$7a2ad64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <002b01c71bdc$e43b8710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Those are essential tool for me because I would otherwise be blinded from sweat in my eyes! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > In the humid days of summer in the East, I often wear an athletic > headband, of thick woven material, dampened with cool water, when digging. > It not only helps with the heat, but as it dries, it absorbs sweat from > your forehead, and prevents it from running into your eyes or eyeglasses. > > Larry > > ================================== > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Kowalski" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:13 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > >> Alan and Carolyn: >> Take what you want of my opinions. Be sure to include Kreigh suggestions >> as >> they are great; also Jim's informative comments. >> >> None of the ideas are my own; I've picked up every one from someone else. >> Usually as a Doh! >> >> A few more opinions..., er insights: >> >> In the muggy East, It isn't as easy to keep cool when the heat wave is on >> and the humidity is above 80%. I learned during my stint as a mailman >> that a >> damp towel can sure improve how you feel. Wiping off the salt and dust >> with >> a damp towel freshens you up and lets you start evaporating sweat again. >> It >> isn't hard in the west with the low humidity for even the saltiest sweat >> to >> evaporate. In the East, you can quickly reach a point where the salt in >> the >> sweat prevents evaporation in the high humidity's. Keep the towel just >> barely damp; if the towel is wet you are less effective at picking up the >> sweat and dust. (Think of trying to wipe up water on a counter; wet >> towels >> smear, dry towels don't clean, damp towels pick up moisture and clean the >> surface.) Don't worry about looking like a sissy, use the towel >> frequently >> (half hour to 45 minutes). >> >> I have an old felt Stetson that I often wear in the summer. I soak the >> hat >> in a bucket before working in the sun. Every so often, I add some water >> into >> it and get it damp again. >> >> The plasticizers are mentioned in the urban legend about dioxins >> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-microwave-dioxin2.htm. >> >> I like the idea of greenhouse film... And I even have a small greenhouse >> as >> a sun room... What was I saying earlier? Another Doh! >> >> Yeah, I get my white buckets free too. I prefer the food grade ones from >> the >> local groceries with bakery/cake shops. The cheap icing used on the cakes >> comes in 3, 5 and 6 gallon buckets. Cleaning that lard like icing can be >> tough; I scrape the majority of the icing out, and then take out the >> upper >> dishwasher rack and put the bucket(s) on the bottom upside down. Only, I >> got >> tired of fighting them. Free is good, dependable is better. I've had >> enough >> of stuck buckets, split buckets when I fill them with water and handles >> pulling out when I've filled them with rock for the hike back to the >> truck. >> >> Well, I confess, I do use the small white buckets; that is the cheap ones >> found in the paint department. They're only about a gallon or two. I use >> a >> broad permanent marker and write the kids names on them, large and dark. >> I >> consider the buckets disposable in that I send them home with the kids. >> >> In amusement, >> >> Ted Kowalski >> Fredericksburg, VA USA >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bg at his.com Sat Dec 9 16:28:42 2006 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sat Dec 9 16:28:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Millie Ivanovich Message-ID: <2965e260b58beff8ea6905c0e8760ea0@his.com> does anyone know anything about Millie Ivanovich? she was the chair of an american federation committee in the late 1980s, early 1990s... thanks, cathy From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Dec 9 18:57:54 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Dec 9 18:57:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Native Aluminum Question Message-ID: <121020060257.22916.457B77B20001E9F200005984216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> -------------- Original message from The Hammer : -------------- > From what I've understood in the previous post, I wonder why native > aluminum doesn't occur naturally with a fine coating of corundum on > its surface? > It probably does occur as such a coating; but who would know, native aluminum is so extremely uncommon, and the presumed aluminum oxide coating is only a few atomic layers thick, so would be essentially invisible and undetectable with normal optical and X-ray methods; would require some very sophisticated surface spectroscopy methods to detect its presence. And, Don, under common, low-T and P conditions of weathering and oxidation, the form of aluminum oxide one finds are the hydrous aluminum oxide minerals, gibbsite, boehmite, diaspore, and the other uncommon polymorphs of Al(OH)3, bayerite, doyleite, and nordstrandite; all of which are the mixed constitutuents of the rock we call bauxite. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Vewalden at aol.com Sun Dec 10 05:38:40 2006 From: Vewalden at aol.com (Vewalden@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 10 05:38:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] crystal hunting and such Message-ID: Hello everyone, My parents and sister live in Hot Springs, Arkansas and I have been reading a little about crystal hunting and such. Where is the best place to go around there and the chances of finding something nice. I am new at this Rock hounding stuff although I have enjoyed rocks and minerals and Geology as long as I can remember. If standing in a parking lot of gravel I will be looking at the ground for rocks. In fact I was doing that one time and found a piece of amethyst, so you just never know. I have no tools of the trade, except the desire to look and books I have been ordering to read. Sad part is I have been in rock and mineral heaven a few times and just never thought about it at the time; places like Texas, Arizona, Washington, North Carolina and Oregon and others. Well guess I will go and I hope you all have a great day. Rick --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Dec 10 05:51:51 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 10 05:51:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers Message-ID: As a postscript to all this, I'd just like to share a favorite quotation of an old friend who posts on this List frequently, Earl R. Verbeek, who always liked to say, "You can't make an umlaut without breaking eggs." There you have it, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Paintricks at aol.com Sun Dec 10 07:56:45 2006 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sun Dec 10 07:56:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] crystal hunting and such Message-ID: Hey there Rick, I have been to Arkansas many times and visited a few places you might like. Mt. Ida is known for many nice points. Oca Stanley, the owner of the Stanley mine passed a few years back so I don't know if his place is still in operation. He is generous and trusting with his mine and I enjoyed every visit. I found it to be one of the best places. You can get right into the pit where other mines just give you the tailing piles. Ron Colmans is like that. It's north of Hot Springs. The Robbins mine was not in operation when I was there. It was like it had been abandoned so diggings were few but I found a nice twin crystal under a boulder. Lots of leaves to get thru. One of my favorite place and not many know about it is,. Denby Point lake. Go to the recreational area for camping and walk along the bank line, where the trees overhang the main part of the bank is a bench or shelf of dirt being eroded. I enjoy picking at the tree roots and rocks up in the bench. I've pulled big matrix pieces out of this place. They are milky to gray and white haystack burrs. They are unusual and attractive. Don't waste your time at the crater of diamonds. Check out the road cuts and creeks. Walk up the creeks and check out the walls down to the water. I usually find more after a big rain. Be careful of private property. Crystal mines and surrounding areas are guarded pretty well. Good luck Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From vewalden at aol.com Mon Dec 11 04:04:38 2006 From: vewalden at aol.com (vewalden@aol.com) Date: Mon Dec 11 04:04:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas In-Reply-To: <200612110200.kBB20B0N024299@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200612110200.kBB20B0N024299@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <8C8EB33AA887A28-8F0-D794@MBLK-M11.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the info Kevin. My stepdad told me that up at Brady Mountain lodge you can find some things walking around. I have been up there a few times but was just visiting and fishing then, wasn't into the Rock thing at the time. Rick -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11 Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." [Rockhounds-Digest] Today's Topics: 1. Re: Native Aluminum Question (pjmodreski@att.net) 2. crystal hunting and such (Vewalden@aol.com) 3. Re: was just Hauyn now completely bonkers (Pmodreski@aol.com) 4. Re: crystal hunting and such (Paintricks@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 02:57:54 +0000 From: pjmodreski@att.net Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Native Aluminum Question To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <121020060257.22916.457B77B20001E9F200005984216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain -------------- Original message from The Hammer : -------------- > From what I've understood in the previous post, I wonder why native > aluminum doesn't occur naturally with a fine coating of corundum on > its surface? > It probably does occur as such a coating; but who would know, native aluminum is so extremely uncommon, and the presumed aluminum oxide coating is only a few atomic layers thick, so would be essentially invisible and undetectable with normal optical and X-ray methods; would require some very sophisticated surface spectroscopy methods to detect its presence. And, Don, under common, low-T and P conditions of weathering and oxidation, the form of aluminum oxide one finds are the hydrous aluminum oxide minerals, gibbsite, boehmite, diaspore, and the other uncommon polymorphs of Al(OH)3, bayerite, doyleite, and nordstrandite; all of which are the mixed constitutuents of the rock we call bauxite. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:38:40 EST From: Vewalden@aol.com Subject: [Rockhounds] crystal hunting and such To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello everyone, My parents and sister live in Hot Springs, Arkansas and I have been reading a little about crystal hunting and such. Where is the best place to go around there and the chances of finding something nice. I am new at this Rock hounding stuff although I have enjoyed rocks and minerals and Geology as long as I can remember. If standing in a parking lot of gravel I will be looking at the ground for rocks. In fact I was doing that one time and found a piece of amethyst, so you just never know. I have no tools of the trade, except the desire to look and books I have been ordering to read. Sad part is I have been in rock and mineral heaven a few times and just never thought about it at the time; places like Texas, Arizona, Washington, North Carolina and Oregon and others. Well guess I will go and I hope you all have a great day. Rick --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:51:51 EST From: Pmodreski@aol.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" As a postscript to all this, I'd just like to share a favorite quotation of an old friend who posts on this List frequently, Earl R. Verbeek, who always liked to say, "You can't make an umlaut without breaking eggs." There you have it, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:56:45 EST From: Paintricks@aol.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] crystal hunting and such To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey there Rick, I have been to Arkansas many times and visited a few places you might like. Mt. Ida is known for many nice points. Oca Stanley, the owner of the Stanley mine passed a few years back so I don't know if his place is still in operation. He is generous and trusting with his mine and I enjoyed every visit. I found it to be one of the best places. You can get right into the pit where other mines just give you the tailing piles. Ron Colmans is like that. It's north of Hot Springs. The Robbins mine was not in operation when I was there. It was like it had been abandoned so diggings were few but I found a nice twin crystal under a boulder. Lots of leaves to get thru. One of my favorite place and not many know about it is,. Denby Point lake. Go to the recreational area for camping and walk along the bank line, where the trees overhang the main part of the bank is a bench or shelf of dirt being eroded. I enjoy picking at the tree roots and rocks up in the bench. I've pulled big matrix pieces out of this place. They are milky to gray and white haystack burrs. They are unusual and attractive. Don't waste your time at the crater of diamonds. Check out the road cuts and creeks. Walk up the creeks and check out the walls down to the water. I usually find more after a big rain. Be careful of private property. Crystal mines and surrounding areas are guarded pretty well. Good luck Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ------------------------------ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11 ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JHODEL at wvdep.org Mon Dec 11 06:36:22 2006 From: JHODEL at wvdep.org (J.R. Hodel) Date: Mon Dec 11 06:36:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heat in vehicles Message-ID: Hi Tina: Nice to hear from you again! I'm always a little late responding since I (a) get the summary instead of individual emails and (b) often don't check my email over the weekends. But I have a contribution to the discussion of dealing with heat in vehicles. I agree with getting windows coated with reflective film, and using reflectors in the front/back windows, helps a lot in a sunny hot climate. If you use a cooler as a locker, you will average out the temperatures the contents are exposed to. It won't keep things cold if you don't add ice, but it will cause internal temperatures to not get so high in the daytime, since it will cool off in the evenings, particularly if you open it in the evening to let it cool off, and then close it first thing before the heat begins accumulating. Plastic Colemans with foam insulation hold a lot of stuff, and you can use diff colors for the actually full of ice coolers versus the gear storage coolers. All other ideas were most excellent, and I agree with most of them. Gauze pads and rolls are best for firstaid kits, and there's a new first aid product that causes blood clotting almost instantly, you just pour the powder on the wound, and you get a scab very quickly. Keep on Rockin'! JR in WV --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Dec 11 09:36:26 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Dec 11 09:36:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] was just Hauyn now completely bonkers Message-ID: Kinda CHEESEY...needs a bit of halide...ROTFL Glenn From: Pmodreski@aol.com As a postscript to all this, I'd just like to share a favorite quotation of an old friend who posts on this List frequently, Earl R. Verbeek, who always liked to say, "You can't make an umlaut without breaking eggs." There you have it, Pete _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Dec 11 11:19:55 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Dec 11 11:20:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good advice / Heat in vehicles References: Message-ID: <002801c71d59$58352040$0efaf604@TheBlackAdder> Hi JR, Good advice, and it works even better with the addition of some thermal mass inside the cooler, such as cans of drinkables or bottled water which will even out the temperature swings by absorbing heat then giving it up when the ambient temp. drops. But in case something leaks, the other supplies should be in ZipLoc baggies. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: J.R. Hodel To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Heat in vehicles Hi Tina: Nice to hear from you again! I'm always a little late responding since I (a) get the summary instead of individual emails and (b) often don't check my email over the weekends. But I have a contribution to the discussion of dealing with heat in vehicles. I agree with getting windows coated with reflective film, and using reflectors in the front/back windows, helps a lot in a sunny hot climate. If you use a cooler as a locker, you will average out the temperatures the contents are exposed to. It won't keep things cold if you don't add ice, but it will cause internal temperatures to not get so high in the daytime, since it will cool off in the evenings, particularly if you open it in the evening to let it cool off, and then close it first thing before the heat begins accumulating. Plastic Colemans with foam insulation hold a lot of stuff, and you can use diff colors for the actually full of ice coolers versus the gear storage coolers. All other ideas were most excellent, and I agree with most of them. Gauze pads and rolls are best for firstaid kits, and there's a new first aid product that causes blood clotting almost instantly, you just pour the powder on the wound, and you get a scab very quickly. Keep on Rockin'! JR in WV --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Mon Dec 11 11:22:37 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Mon Dec 11 11:22:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <20061209150037.18549.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061211192237.E9D044D276@io.frii.com> Gang, > For buckets, I use the white plastic. They don't last long, but they > cost nothing (literally). Find someone in the drywall business. I've had good luck requesting frosting buckets at grocery story bakeries. Sometimes they are already clean, sometimes need some cleaning (residual frosting). Also, a 3 gal size is common, and is MUCH easier to handle than 5 gal when full of rocks. I have about 20 of these mid-size buckets at home now. These are type 2 plastic, but non-recyclable due to being "wide mouth" (like butter tubs I guess). So the stores throw them away... Also regarding a water sprayer for desert hiking/hunting: Amen. Better yet, get your shirt and hat wet whenever you can. This rapidly takes you from heat-stroke to air-conditioned. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Dec 11 12:17:32 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Dec 11 12:17:34 2006 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics Message-ID: Time to add my 2 cents. Buckets: If you have a pool or a friend with one or a pool care friend, the pool chemical buckets have stronger all plastic handles, and most are shorter and wider than the paint type 5 gallon size. These are free too, come in several sizes, and are disposable when they become brittle. I use one with a tool belt around it for small tools and the belt pockets hold small specimens as well as sunscreen, insect repellant, etc. Heavy cloth or canvas tote bags rank high. I have several from places we've been and some even came free, a few free or cheap at yard sales. Heat/humidity/moisture: My experience in the desert is still very limited, but, even here in the sub-tropics with average humidity over 80% and usually higher in the summer, a nice cool water sprayer really helps. I get the battery fan sprayers from Wally World or a dollar store and if available load 'em with crushed ice and COLD water. We like to canoe down creeks and wet hats and clothes are still cooler than dry in the sun. Nothing beats a cold wet washcloth to cool down...and to wipe away sweat. Glenn From: ajs@frii.com Gang, For buckets, I use the white plastic. They don't last long, but they cost nothing (literally). Find someone in the drywall business. I've had good luck requesting frosting buckets at grocery story bakeries. Sometimes they are already clean, sometimes need some cleaning (residual frosting). Also, a 3 gal size is common, and is MUCH easier to handle than 5 gal when full of rocks. I have about 20 of these mid-size buckets at home now. These are type 2 plastic, but non-recyclable due to being "wide mouth" (like butter tubs I guess). So the stores throw them away... Also regarding a water sprayer for desert hiking/hunting: Amen. Better yet, get your shirt and hat wet whenever you can. This rapidly takes you from heat-stroke to air-conditioned. Cheers, Alan Silverstein Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces Try it! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 12:54:55 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Dec 11 12:54:58 2006 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061211205455.15518.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The tool belts are a good idea. Since the degradation of the plastic is due more from the UV component of sunlight, rather than heat, The tool belt will actually protect the bucket somewhat from degradation, in addition to keeping you from having to fish through the rocks to find your chisel, etc. Jim Daly Glenn Wimpee wrote: Time to add my 2 cents. Buckets: If you have a pool or a friend with one or a pool care friend, the pool chemical buckets have stronger all plastic handles, and most are shorter and wider than the paint type 5 gallon size. These are free too, come in several sizes, and are disposable when they become brittle. I use one with a tool belt around it for small tools and the belt pockets hold small specimens as well as sunscreen, insect repellant, etc. Heavy cloth or canvas tote bags rank high. I have several from places we've been and some even came free, a few free or cheap at yard sales. Heat/humidity/moisture: My experience in the desert is still very limited, but, even here in the sub-tropics with average humidity over 80% and usually higher in the summer, a nice cool water sprayer really helps. I get the battery fan sprayers from Wally World or a dollar store and if available load 'em with crushed ice and COLD water. We like to canoe down creeks and wet hats and clothes are still cooler than dry in the sun. Nothing beats a cold wet washcloth to cool down...and to wipe away sweat. Glenn From: ajs@frii.com Gang, For buckets, I use the white plastic. They don't last long, but they cost nothing (literally). Find someone in the drywall business. I've had good luck requesting frosting buckets at grocery story bakeries. Sometimes they are already clean, sometimes need some cleaning (residual frosting). Also, a 3 gal size is common, and is MUCH easier to handle than 5 gal when full of rocks. I have about 20 of these mid-size buckets at home now. These are type 2 plastic, but non-recyclable due to being "wide mouth" (like butter tubs I guess). So the stores throw them away... Also regarding a water sprayer for desert hiking/hunting: Amen. Better yet, get your shirt and hat wet whenever you can. This rapidly takes you from heat-stroke to air-conditioned. Cheers, Alan Silverstein Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces Try it! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Dec 11 18:35:33 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Dec 11 18:35:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/heat strategies Message-ID: <257649.73571.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> I want to thank everyone for their great suggestions on counter heat strategies over the past couple days. Erich K also responded off line and suggested that the reflective stuff used in windsheild visors was available at Home Depot or one of those place (I forget which he mentioned). I can then make some side reflectors and use the material to cover a crate and see if that helps this summer. Since I have tinted windows, additional reflective on the windows wouldn't help in the back. I wondered it covering the crates with the reflective space blanket or the same material as the visor would actually work since it seems to help more with direct sun and not with the ambient temp in the car--the heat would come in from below and sides, but I'll try it. Since I have tinted windows in the back, they filter out some of the radiant heat. Erich also suggested using a container with sand in it as the sand works to slow the heat (sorry if I botched your explanation erich). Kreigh suggested packing some of the material in a mason jar--I tried a 2 lb coffee tin this weekend and see how that works. I didn't know about flat sided buckets, but my knees and shins will be thrilled to know that! Will go hunt those down! Didn't know the military wool blankets are inexpensive so I'll be hunting those down; in my book they have a high utility index, right next to space blankets. (and if you ahven't tried these--they are wonderful and very surprising in that they work! $2.19 at walmart). You can put them over your sleeping bag and convert it from a 32 to 10 degree bag. I'll try the marine grade rope, Ted. Thanks. Thanks Kreigh and Ted and everyone else. Something I will share with you all is the use of dry ice for longer trips in hot weather. Lasts longer in the beer coolers apparently, and not too expensive when you go to places where you don't have the option of coming back to town every few days for ice. Don't let it touch meat and the like, according to some friends who use this strategy often. (and leave the cooler in the bed of the truck if you can.) Following on some of the other conversations, here is a great idea to keep cool with--remember the bandanas the cowboys used? I rarely go collecting anymore without one. The larger ones used in the military as slings are preferable. Worn with the vee in the back, I can soak it in water and keep neck and upper back cool and protect both from sun. When digging, I turn it forward and wear it over my mouth to keep the dust other airbornes out. This works great too when you are running behind a caravan of drivers over dusty roads and have the windows down:) It has lots of first aid applications too. Don't leave home without it! Thanks again everyone for taking time to share your strategies. Tina Tuttle --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Mon Dec 11 21:00:26 2006 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Mon Dec 11 21:00:55 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question Message-ID: <001901c71daa$f65e00b0$6f0ba118@feldsparflash> When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology Is there a name for that mold? Carolyn Reynard --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Mon Dec 11 21:17:07 2006 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066) Date: Mon Dec 11 21:17:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wimpee's weather report Message-ID: <457e3b53.f0.38d6.7705@iglide.net> Has anyone, other than myself, ever taken the opportunity to tell unnamable people like Glenn how "appreciated" his remarks about his 80% humidity and temperatures in the 80's in the middle of December are. Watch it Wimpee, there is a place for your kind in rock heaven. Keep on rockin' buddy. While I keep shoveling snow and stoking the furnace for another three to four months here in Utah. Kelly > but, even > here in the sub-tropics with average humidity over 80% and > usually higher in the summer, a nice cool water sprayer > really helps. I get the battery fan sprayers from Wally > World or a dollar store and if available load 'em with > crushed ice and COLD water. We like to canoe down creeks > and wet hats and clothes are still cooler than dry in the > sun. > Nothing beats a cold wet washcloth to cool down...and to > wipe away sweat. Glenn From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Mon Dec 11 21:17:23 2006 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066) Date: Mon Dec 11 21:17:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 12 Message-ID: <457e3b63.3ab.3887.7705@iglide.net> Has anyone, other than myself, ever taken the opportunity to tell unnamable people like Glenn how "appreciated" his remarks about his 80% humidity and temperatures in the 80's in the middle of December are. Watch it Wimpee, there is a place for your kind in rock heaven. Keep on rockin' buddy. While I keep shoveling snow and stoking the furnace for another three to four months here in Utah. Kelly > but, even > here in the sub-tropics with average humidity over 80% and > usually higher in the summer, a nice cool water sprayer > really helps. I get the battery fan sprayers from Wally > World or a dollar store and if available load 'em with > crushed ice and COLD water. We like to canoe down creeks > and wet hats and clothes are still cooler than dry in the > sun. > Nothing beats a cold wet washcloth to cool down...and to > wipe away sweat. Glenn From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Mon Dec 11 22:41:45 2006 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Mon Dec 11 22:41:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) desert travel/degrading plastics Message-ID: <380-220061221264145540@earthlink.net> Ted, You might want to also consider keeping a fire extinguisher designed for the automobile in your trunk, as well. My company requires us to carry one along with a safety kit similar to as you described. In fact, you can get a complete safety kit for $30 or less at KMart or WalMart. The kit has about 96 pieces and comes in a small soft-sided bag with handle and velcro lining on the bottom so it won't roll around in the trunk. Mark Easterbrook > [Original Message] > From: Ted Kowalski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 12/9/2006 4:08:04 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > Tina: > I'll second and echo Kreigh plus add a few lengthy personal opinions. > > Yeah, a space blanket is always a good idea, especially keeping one in the > kit, but I think you would be better served by covering the items with a > surplus wool blanket(s). They may not reflect, but they'll insulate and > protect. Uncovering the shady side to let heat vent while you drive from > place to place helps somewhat. Plus you can always use them to buffer items > and keep things upright and they're incredibly cheap > > Never count on band-Aids that get cooked in a car. I keep maybe 5-10 in a > sandwich bag and I'm quick to replace them, especially before going > rockhounding or on a long trip. Use cloth bandages (no adhesive) and gauze > as Kreigh suggests. I also keep a couple rolls of adhesive tape (cloth type) > in the 1st aid kit. They last much longer then band aids when cooked in a > cars heat; I figure they're good for a couple of seasons including summer. > They may get sticky, but they'll still work... Oh yeah, covering your > fingertips with adhesive tape can help protect them from broken rock shards > like quartz flakes. > > I do try and keep a travel tube of Neosporin in a sandwich bag (the tubes > always leak when hot), I also try and keep a bottle of merthiolate in the > 1st aid canister. I use a metal can for first aid stuff... The basic first > aid single or double latch metal container; I put scissors in the kit, but I > rarely find them when I need them. If the box gets too much sun and keeps > cooking, then paint it white... > > Another item that I replace frequently is the super glue stuff for cuts and > bandages. The heat of a closed car ruins the stuff quickly, but using good > first aid super glue on a deep gash is amazing. It's one of the items I > check before going on a trip. I don't panic if it's hardened, but I do > replace it as soon as I hit the grocery. > > As far as cold packs, the only place I've found them to stay good is in my > basement. The cold pack that came in the kit survived for a couple of years > till I gave it to someone who hurt their knee. I have never found another > similar cold pack. I carry cold packs to my kids sporting events, but > otherwise leave them home... There is always ice in the drink cooler (more > on that below) and plastic zip bags in the buckets. > > Use FDA approved water containers or get the military MWC steel/plastic > cans. Contrary to internet myth; the FDA approved plastic containers do not > leak dioxins. Keep them covered so the sun doesn't cook them and change the > water every time you come across good water. I don't care what you keep > water in, it will taste of the container; the warmer you let the water get, > the stronger the flavor. A trick I learned in college (Temple) where the > water was notoriously bad, is that water always tastes better when drunk > from a glass bottle. Fill the glass bottle half full, shake it vigorously > for a few seconds and drink. > > I use a large insulated drink cooler, you know, the round ones you see on > construction sites and at sports games. They come as large as 10 gallons. > Mine is an igloo that has a press-on insulated top. If you can get blocks of > ice, they work best and last longest. Put as many blocks as will fit in the > cooler (or fill with ice cubes) then fill with water. Even in the back of my > pickup, with a dark blue camper cap in Utah and Nevada, the water stayed > cold for days (family of 4 drinking it too). Every few days add more ice > instead of water. Unfortunately the ice cubes do not last as long as the > blocks, still good for a few days. You do have to unload the drink cooler > every time you get back, but the emergency water in the jugs only need to be > topped off. If I'm using the jugs for washing water or emergency drink water > I don't really care what it tastes like. > > I'm not sure what you have been using for rope, but I doubt it is nylon rope > for outdoor use. I've had nylon rope on my boat that has been in the sun > continuously for 15 years. It may be gray and stiff, but it is still plenty > strong. I may buy the cheap parachute cord occasionally for one time uses, > but I don't depend on it. I use marine grade nylon ropes for longer length > requirements (e.g. for hanging a tarp between two distant points) and I use > climbing rope for smaller lengths. Why climbing rope for shorter lengths? > Well, affordable nylon rope is twisted not woven, and requires a whipped end > to stay together. All climbing rope requires is a match to seal the end. I > don't actually use the 9-11mm rope that climbers use to scale walls; I do > use the 5-7mm stuff they use for accessories. A good adventure store will > cut it to length and you buy it by the foot. It may be a lot pricier, but I > think it is cheaper in the long run. It is also much much easier to untie, > even wet, when one needs to. I don't use polypropylene rope as it never > stops stretching. > > I have no solution for the plastic bags hazing other than replacing them. I > empty most of my gear each time, since I use the truck for other things. The > plastic bags are one of the items I bring back inside and use up. Most of > the clear plastic items do not have any UV protection and suffer damage > rapidly from the sun. The plastic items with the best UV protection are > usually black or very dark green. There are somewhat clear plastic items > that have UV protection, only the more UV protected they are, the less clear > they become. > > I only use white plastic buckets for carrying odd items and fishing as the > sun just chews them up too quickly (again, no UV protection in the plastic). > My main buckets are the colored ones they sell in farm supply stores for use > on the farm. These buckets are designed for outside use, last much longer > and they're tapered so they are easier to separate when gritty; much much > easier. I also got the ones with one flat side; they're easier to carry full > when you keep the flat side towards your leg. > > I have no recommendations on batteries. I stopped keeping a flashlight in > the truck continuously, since the batteries always die and it doesn't work > when I need it. It's just one of the items I have to stick in the car before > leaving. I do keep a LED model in my pack. The pack, rainsuit and tent do > not get left in the truck and never in a closed vehicle. > > Plastic (PVC) rainsuits are not UV protected and will degrade even quicker > than the baggies. The polyurethane waterproof layer on better rainsuits, > packs and tents degrades rapidly in hot cars. One of the degradation > products is a butyric derivative easily recognized by the vomit like smell. > A quick way to ruin a $300 tent is to leave it in the trunk during the > summer. > > Use the reflective sunshades as Kreigh suggests, put solar window film on > your windows and keep the windows vented. The sunshades and films really do > work. They'll change your summertime driving experience from getting in your > seat gingerly and finding the steering wheel burning hot to touch you'll be > able to hop in the seat without wincing, start the engine and drive. > > While we're on the topic of desert rockhounding. Get a cheap sprayer from > the local big box store. A one gallon plastic one for under $15 works great. > Mark it with large letters that it's for safe water. Fill it to the > recommended level and take it with you... Well, maybe not if you're hiking > far. Spray your hat, face and back frequently and you'll find even really > hot days much more comfortable. This trick doesn't work so well when the > humidity is high; but it will cause chills to run up your spine in the > desert. > > Good Luck! > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:27 PM > To: rockhounds list > Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > Greetings list: > Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I > wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. > I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take > my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first aid > gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will > have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to the > plastics in the first aid and survival kits. > I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and > discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all over > the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and the > bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is > bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are sweaty > clothes (ick). > > The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert > heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a > last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months > out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in July > or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does the > plastic in rain ponchos. > So-- > What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the > desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from deteriorating. > Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides > taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and Ammo > boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers > online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. > To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be > over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside > during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious > temperature changes. > > Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. > tina > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Mark Easterbrook asgardsgc@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Tue Dec 12 01:03:54 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Tue Dec 12 01:04:13 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question Message-ID: <20061212090354.17972.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Carolyn Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common (although I hadn't seen it used before). See http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 Regards Steve > -------Original Message------- > From: Carolyn Reynard > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question > Sent: 11 Dec '06 19:00 > > When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology Is there a name for that mold? > Carolyn Reynard From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Tue Dec 12 04:23:57 2006 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Tue Dec 12 04:24:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] English Amber Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022B9BCE@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> I will be spending a month in England with my mother and brother during the month of April. I have heard that amber can be collected on the east coast beaches of Britain. Does anyone have some specifics on where, what the best collecting sites are, and perhaps the best times (ie, after storms)? -- Peter Sparks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Tue Dec 12 09:38:43 2006 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Tue Dec 12 09:35:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <20061212090354.17972.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <003701c71e14$5eb5a410$6f0ba118@feldsparflash> Steve, Thanks! from the rock detectives and treasure hunters of the Mid-Hudson Valley Gem & Mineral Society. I know the term epimorth, the brain just could not retrieve it...... .......! In my Gem & Mineral club I belong to an interest group we call "The Puzzlers". The puzzle we are working on is a specimen found by one of our members using the Adirondack method-[you throw down one rock upon another to break them apart]. The rock from Westchester County, NY is a very fine textured gneiss with a contact of smoky quartz. At that contact there is an epimorth large enough to see the termination and the faces, 1/2 inch wide. The epimorth is totally within the massive smoky quartz. The other half of the rock has the other half of the crystal which is also terminated. To see the crystal form I used artist's oil base clay and pressed it in the mold (epimorth). It worked rather well. It looks trigonal and more like a calcite crystal. Now I am puzzling as to whether I have an epimorph of a calcite crystal or a quartz crystal [or anything else]. It would seem logical for calcite which could be removed by hydrothermal solutions or acidic rainwater. The only other possibility I can think of is the crystal shattered upon impact and was lost. Now, why would there be a large crystal of calcite in smoky quartz, doesn't make sense. It would have to be inplace before the smoky quartz. If the crystal was quartz where did it go? The epimorth is lined with a dark brown powder and stained dark brown, so possibly it is an epimorph of another mineral. We will keep puzzling! Fun work for obsessed rockhounds! Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "magnet" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > Hi Carolyn > > Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common (although I hadn't seen it used before). See http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 > > Regards > Steve > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Carolyn Reynard > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question > > Sent: 11 Dec '06 19:00 > > > > When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology Is there a name for that mold? > > Carolyn Reynard > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Dec 12 09:42:46 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Dec 12 09:43:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question - re Tasmania fire In-Reply-To: <20061212090354.17972.qmail@webmachine101.com> References: <20061212090354.17972.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061212073251.033cd3c8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Hi Steve, We heard about fires in Australia, and that there's a big one in Tassie. We hope you are safe, and sympathize with families whose homes have been destroyed. Any way to tie this to rockhounding, like are there any mines threatened? Aloha, Kitty At 11:03 PM 12/11/2006, you wrote: >Hi Carolyn > >Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common >(although I hadn't seen it used before). See >http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 > >Regards >Steve From ajs at frii.com Tue Dec 12 10:47:39 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Dec 12 10:47:41 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/heat strategies In-Reply-To: <257649.73571.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061212184739.B760D4D276@io.frii.com> > Something I will share with you all is the use of dry ice for longer > trips in hot weather... One caution about dry ice in coolers in vehicles (or any enclosed spaces), there's a slight risk of asphyxiation if the sublimating CO2 pushes out enough oxygen. I've been hauling coolers loaded with dry ice in a car in Utah for years, and no problems noticed, but be sure you don't just hop in rapidly in the morning (let a door sit open a moment for air exchange), and keep the vent fan running while driving. Back to the underlying issue... While I'm careful about not letting tender items overheat in an enclosed car in the desert, I've really not had many problems. Then again I'm not usually out in 100 degrees plus. If it was a regular problem, I'd just use coolers, as others have suggested, even if dry, to average out the extremes. When camping in locations where it's dropping to 30-40 overnight, I routinely leave the cooler open in the car at night (this is after I'm out of ice or the silica gel packs have thawed), close and cover with a sleeping bag during the day, works well. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Dec 12 12:57:35 2006 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Tue Dec 12 12:57:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/heat strategies In-Reply-To: <257649.73571.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014d01c71e28$4b6cdfe0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Tina: I should've included this in the last email. By an odd quirk; I was searching http://www.northernmountain.com for carabiners when I got my emails this morning. I recently replaced the ropes in the back of my truck. No, they were not destroyed by the heat and sun... My wife used the truck to help some farming friends move to a new farm, and something spilled on the ropes that was most unpleasant. While I scrubbed the back of the truck well, I discarded the rug and ropes. I use 3/8" anchor rope cut into small sections and braided together to form complete rope circles without knots. The end circles are roughly 1 foot across meaning they use about 3' before braiding. I loop the circles through the tie downs and clip a carabiner on the end. When I use the upper ties, I can loop the rope through a handle and clip with the carabiner to keep buckets upright, or coolers near the back instead of sliding to the front. If necessary, I can use all of the loops and biners to tie down heavy equipment. Which is why I was in Northern Mountain for buying real biners; real carabiners can tow a car; the junk sold in the big box stores can barely hold your keys. Anyway, after I sent the email to you, I returned to looking at carabiner choices and along the way I belatedly noticed the ropes option link. Northern Mountain runs some real killer deals (their words) and sales; otherwise their prices are pretty run of the mill. They ship fast and are reliable; they've called me at home twice when exactly what I ordered was not in stock. Rather than canceling the order and frustrating me, they called to explain what the options were and to hear what I wanted to do. I have purchased all of my backpacking tents and backpacks from them on their killer deal sales. Again anyway, their ropes... http://www.northernmountain.com/subcat/CL33?1=1&Page=1 Ted From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Dec 12 13:01:02 2006 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Tue Dec 12 13:01:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) desert travel/degrading plastics In-Reply-To: <380-220061221264145540@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <013c01c71e23$381271d0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Mark: Thanks, I'll check out the extinguisher at walmart. I keep a fire extinguisher in the boat, kitchen and garage; seems like I should have thought of keeping one in the car. Doh! Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mark Easterbrook Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:42 AM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) desert travel/degrading plastics Ted, You might want to also consider keeping a fire extinguisher designed for the automobile in your trunk, as well. My company requires us to carry one along with a safety kit similar to as you described. In fact, you can get a complete safety kit for $30 or less at KMart or WalMart. The kit has about 96 pieces and comes in a small soft-sided bag with handle and velcro lining on the bottom so it won't roll around in the trunk. Mark Easterbrook > [Original Message] > From: Ted Kowalski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 12/9/2006 4:08:04 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > Tina: > I'll second and echo Kreigh plus add a few lengthy personal opinions. > > Yeah, a space blanket is always a good idea, especially keeping one in the > kit, but I think you would be better served by covering the items with a > surplus wool blanket(s). They may not reflect, but they'll insulate and > protect. Uncovering the shady side to let heat vent while you drive from > place to place helps somewhat. Plus you can always use them to buffer items > and keep things upright and they're incredibly cheap > > Never count on band-Aids that get cooked in a car. I keep maybe 5-10 in a > sandwich bag and I'm quick to replace them, especially before going > rockhounding or on a long trip. Use cloth bandages (no adhesive) and gauze > as Kreigh suggests. I also keep a couple rolls of adhesive tape (cloth type) > in the 1st aid kit. They last much longer then band aids when cooked in a > cars heat; I figure they're good for a couple of seasons including summer. > They may get sticky, but they'll still work... Oh yeah, covering your > fingertips with adhesive tape can help protect them from broken rock shards > like quartz flakes. > > I do try and keep a travel tube of Neosporin in a sandwich bag (the tubes > always leak when hot), I also try and keep a bottle of merthiolate in the > 1st aid canister. I use a metal can for first aid stuff... The basic first > aid single or double latch metal container; I put scissors in the kit, but I > rarely find them when I need them. If the box gets too much sun and keeps > cooking, then paint it white... > > Another item that I replace frequently is the super glue stuff for cuts and > bandages. The heat of a closed car ruins the stuff quickly, but using good > first aid super glue on a deep gash is amazing. It's one of the items I > check before going on a trip. I don't panic if it's hardened, but I do > replace it as soon as I hit the grocery. > > As far as cold packs, the only place I've found them to stay good is in my > basement. The cold pack that came in the kit survived for a couple of years > till I gave it to someone who hurt their knee. I have never found another > similar cold pack. I carry cold packs to my kids sporting events, but > otherwise leave them home... There is always ice in the drink cooler (more > on that below) and plastic zip bags in the buckets. > > Use FDA approved water containers or get the military MWC steel/plastic > cans. Contrary to internet myth; the FDA approved plastic containers do not > leak dioxins. Keep them covered so the sun doesn't cook them and change the > water every time you come across good water. I don't care what you keep > water in, it will taste of the container; the warmer you let the water get, > the stronger the flavor. A trick I learned in college (Temple) where the > water was notoriously bad, is that water always tastes better when drunk > from a glass bottle. Fill the glass bottle half full, shake it vigorously > for a few seconds and drink. > > I use a large insulated drink cooler, you know, the round ones you see on > construction sites and at sports games. They come as large as 10 gallons. > Mine is an igloo that has a press-on insulated top. If you can get blocks of > ice, they work best and last longest. Put as many blocks as will fit in the > cooler (or fill with ice cubes) then fill with water. Even in the back of my > pickup, with a dark blue camper cap in Utah and Nevada, the water stayed > cold for days (family of 4 drinking it too). Every few days add more ice > instead of water. Unfortunately the ice cubes do not last as long as the > blocks, still good for a few days. You do have to unload the drink cooler > every time you get back, but the emergency water in the jugs only need to be > topped off. If I'm using the jugs for washing water or emergency drink water > I don't really care what it tastes like. > > I'm not sure what you have been using for rope, but I doubt it is nylon rope > for outdoor use. I've had nylon rope on my boat that has been in the sun > continuously for 15 years. It may be gray and stiff, but it is still plenty > strong. I may buy the cheap parachute cord occasionally for one time uses, > but I don't depend on it. I use marine grade nylon ropes for longer length > requirements (e.g. for hanging a tarp between two distant points) and I use > climbing rope for smaller lengths. Why climbing rope for shorter lengths? > Well, affordable nylon rope is twisted not woven, and requires a whipped end > to stay together. All climbing rope requires is a match to seal the end. I > don't actually use the 9-11mm rope that climbers use to scale walls; I do > use the 5-7mm stuff they use for accessories. A good adventure store will > cut it to length and you buy it by the foot. It may be a lot pricier, but I > think it is cheaper in the long run. It is also much much easier to untie, > even wet, when one needs to. I don't use polypropylene rope as it never > stops stretching. > > I have no solution for the plastic bags hazing other than replacing them. I > empty most of my gear each time, since I use the truck for other things. The > plastic bags are one of the items I bring back inside and use up. Most of > the clear plastic items do not have any UV protection and suffer damage > rapidly from the sun. The plastic items with the best UV protection are > usually black or very dark green. There are somewhat clear plastic items > that have UV protection, only the more UV protected they are, the less clear > they become. > > I only use white plastic buckets for carrying odd items and fishing as the > sun just chews them up too quickly (again, no UV protection in the plastic). > My main buckets are the colored ones they sell in farm supply stores for use > on the farm. These buckets are designed for outside use, last much longer > and they're tapered so they are easier to separate when gritty; much much > easier. I also got the ones with one flat side; they're easier to carry full > when you keep the flat side towards your leg. > > I have no recommendations on batteries. I stopped keeping a flashlight in > the truck continuously, since the batteries always die and it doesn't work > when I need it. It's just one of the items I have to stick in the car before > leaving. I do keep a LED model in my pack. The pack, rainsuit and tent do > not get left in the truck and never in a closed vehicle. > > Plastic (PVC) rainsuits are not UV protected and will degrade even quicker > than the baggies. The polyurethane waterproof layer on better rainsuits, > packs and tents degrades rapidly in hot cars. One of the degradation > products is a butyric derivative easily recognized by the vomit like smell. > A quick way to ruin a $300 tent is to leave it in the trunk during the > summer. > > Use the reflective sunshades as Kreigh suggests, put solar window film on > your windows and keep the windows vented. The sunshades and films really do > work. They'll change your summertime driving experience from getting in your > seat gingerly and finding the steering wheel burning hot to touch you'll be > able to hop in the seat without wincing, start the engine and drive. > > While we're on the topic of desert rockhounding. Get a cheap sprayer from > the local big box store. A one gallon plastic one for under $15 works great. > Mark it with large letters that it's for safe water. Fill it to the > recommended level and take it with you... Well, maybe not if you're hiking > far. Spray your hat, face and back frequently and you'll find even really > hot days much more comfortable. This trick doesn't work so well when the > humidity is high; but it will cause chills to run up your spine in the > desert. > > Good Luck! > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:27 PM > To: rockhounds list > Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/degrading plastics > > Greetings list: > Since many of us on the list are desert collectors and travellors, I > wondered if my fellow collectors have some practical ideas to impart. > I collect nearly every weekend (there's the rockhounding link!) and take > my jeep many miles from civilization. I keep a lot of survival and first aid > gear in a couple crates. But as things starting heating up again, I will > have to un-pack the car several times a week to avoid the degradation to the > plastics in the first aid and survival kits. > I was invovled in a serious first aid situation back in october and > discovered the damage the heat had done--the ice pack had exploded all over > the first kit, and in the other, the tape had dried up to a shrivel and the > bandaids fossilized into a solid mass. A sad scenario when someone is > bleeding in a bad way and all you have left to apply to the wound are sweaty > clothes (ick). > > The water bottles are another example of the consequences of the desert > heat--they break down and dioxins are released, but they are definitely a > last chance solution anyway--the water tastes awful after a couple months > out there. A box of ziplock bags (for specimens!) will last a month in July > or August before going somewhat opaque. Nylon rope also decays, as does the > plastic in rain ponchos. > So-- > What secret/tips do folks have to keep stuff from breaking down in the > desert heat? I'd like to keep batteries and other stuff from deteriorating. > Are there containers or strategies that anyone can recommend? (besides > taking the stuff in every day during the hot part of the year) Oh--and Ammo > boxes don't work--kind of like a microwave. I've tried to find containers > online that might prove some protection, but no joy yet. > To give you an idea of the conditions--during the summer, the temp may be > over 100 (dry)degrees for weeks on end outside the car--120-150 inside > during the day (fahrenheit). It will drop 50-60 degrees at nite--serious > temperature changes. > > Thanks for any ideas/strategies you can share. > tina > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Mark Easterbrook asgardsgc@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Dec 12 16:45:55 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Dec 12 16:45:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <20061212090354.17972.qmail@webmachine101.com> <003701c71e14$5eb5a410$6f0ba118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <004f01c71e50$0c540b80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I have found a nice epimorph of 2 calcite crystals in fluorite from the Columbia mine in the fluorspar district. See: http://www.mindat.org/photo-68013.html. I've also found fluorite cube epimorphs in barite at the Pygmy mine. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Reynard" To: "magnet" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > Steve, > > Thanks! from the rock detectives and treasure hunters of the Mid-Hudson > Valley Gem & Mineral Society. > > I know the term epimorth, the brain just could not retrieve it...... > .......! > > In my Gem & Mineral club I belong to an interest group we call "The > Puzzlers". The puzzle we are working on is a specimen found by one of our > members using the Adirondack method-[you throw down one rock upon another > to > break them apart]. The rock from Westchester County, NY is a very fine > textured gneiss with a contact of smoky quartz. At that contact there is > an > epimorth large enough to see the termination and the faces, 1/2 inch wide. > The epimorth is totally within the massive smoky quartz. The other half of > the rock has the other half of the crystal which is also terminated. > > To see the crystal form I used artist's oil base clay and pressed it in > the > mold (epimorth). It worked rather well. It looks trigonal and more like a > calcite crystal. Now I am puzzling as to whether I have an epimorph of a > calcite crystal or a quartz crystal [or anything else]. It would seem > logical for calcite which could be removed by hydrothermal solutions or > acidic rainwater. The only other possibility I can think of is the crystal > shattered upon impact and was lost. Now, why would there be a large > crystal > of calcite in smoky quartz, doesn't make sense. It would have to be > inplace > before the smoky quartz. If the crystal was quartz where did it go? The > epimorth is lined with a dark brown powder and stained dark brown, so > possibly it is an epimorph of another mineral. > > We will keep puzzling! Fun work for obsessed rockhounds! > > Carolyn Reynard > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "magnet" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > >> Hi Carolyn >> >> Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common > (although I hadn't seen it used before). See > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> >> > -------Original Message------- >> > From: Carolyn Reynard >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question >> > Sent: 11 Dec '06 19:00 >> > >> > When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially > encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology > Is there a name for that mold? >> > Carolyn Reynard >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From ajs at frii.com Tue Dec 12 16:54:52 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Dec 12 16:54:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting agate -- in Florida Message-ID: <20061213005452.745B84D276@io.frii.com> Last week in Florida I collected some agate and jasper... In fact I brought back over 50 pounds of it in my suitcase. Well OK, in both of my suitcases, after I visited Goodwill and bought another one for $3. And some of the material went into my wife's suitcase too, I had to distribute the weight to stay legal. Anyway I can hear you muttering, "what? Florida is nothing but coral rock." That's what I thought too. I lived in the state for a little while back in the 1970s, and have visited my parents in the Tampa area many times since. Done a little snorkeling, a fair bit of shell collecting, but never any rocks... Other than the rare opportunity to visit a phosphate mine once. I'd heard of Tampa Bay agatized coral geodes, but also that they were pretty much worked out. Last May I saw a specimen in the Smithsonian and it rekindled my interest. I did some research before our recent vacation trip. Thanks to the kindly folks at the Florida Geological Survey, I learned about Ballast Point Park, which is on the east side of the penninsula south of Tampa (between Old Tampa and Hillsborough Bays). I also got a pointer to the Dunedin Causeway, which goes west to Honeymoon Island (on the gulf coast north and west of Tampa). And they mentioned this excellent web article: http://www.tampabayrockclub.com/Articles/AgateCoral.htm Some of you might recall that my main interest is tumbling material. I figured, where there WERE geodes, there might STILL BE chunks of agate and jasper -- and indeed there were. I found it on the south side of the causeway west of the drawbridge, also all over the beach at Honeymoon Island (funny that I'd never noticed it before), and here and there at Ballast Point too. But I didn't spend much time at the last location, just passed through ten minutes before sunset, in a cold howling wind, to check it over... More on that later. On the Dunedin causeway I found mostly small scraps of flinty gray to greenish or black agate in a calcareous matrix, in the water or at the waterline, with a lot of white shelly shapes and/or small drusy pockets or banding. It looked like the dredge rocks used to build the causeway have recemented pretty tough, but chunks are weathering out in spots, up to several pounds. At Honeymoon Island we walked north from the north pavilion over 1.5 miles and back, mostly to shell hunt and enjoy the white sandy beach experience. We even saw a pod of dolphins (maybe 10 total) swimming along off the coast. To my surprise I noted a great deal of the same silicified stuff that I hadn't particularly realized in years past, very similar in variety and size (from chips to multi-pound boulders), at many spots on the shoreline. So I guess it's native to at least that area, and weathering out. Washing and sorting the material, it ranges from occasionally quite interesting -- even some small drusy or botryoidal pockets -- to mostly boring -- crumbly coral rock, although full of holes, but not silicied after all. Also some of it is black inside a bright orange rather than white matrix ("limonite"?) The agatized portions grade quite irregularly into limestone... I found one small scallop shell, still with original color, embedded an inch or two from solid black opaque agate in a single chunk... Weird. The rocks are surprisingly tough to crack with a hammer, whether or not silicified. I think the agate/jasper is fairly competent and solid, while the limestone absorbs the energy, especially when wet. I found few small bits reminiscent of the inside of a geode, including a little blue/white "stalactite" half an inch long, but of course nothing like the specimen I saw in the Smithsonian in May (grin). None of the rocks I found were well-shaped geodes, but very randomly silicified. Also not very colorful, mostly gray to black, some white or blue, but pale. However, some have interesting shell or coral shapes embedded in the agate/jasper. Most of what I picked up to take home wouldn't be worthwhile if I found it, say, in Wyoming, but it's pretty special because of WHERE it comes from. Until I tumble a load I won't know how it turns out, but it looks promising to at least be interesting. Rockhunting along a shoreline, up to knee-deep in the salt water, sure was different than doing it in the western US deserts. It was the ickiest collecting I've ever done. It was often mucky and overgrown with moss-like coatings on the rocks, even muddy. Especially at Ballast Point there was a lot of trash on the "beach", and I couldn't tell what was inside any rock unless I cracked it open (goosh/splat) or chipped off a corner. Half of the rocks turned out to be concrete or bricks. It's quite possible I stepped over a geode without knowing it, but any vug open to the outside was full of living things (shells and creepy-crawlies like worms) as well as thick mud and vegetation. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From smtravis at plateautel.net Tue Dec 12 17:47:34 2006 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Tue Dec 12 17:47:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] faustite Message-ID: <0bbf01c71e58$a90ff8a0$4f92f741@marilyn> I am looking for faustite for lapidary purposes or some carico lake (light green) ore even rarer pixie turquoise. anyone out there with any they want to sell? or trade something for? Keep on Rockin Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Tue Dec 12 18:36:26 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Tue Dec 12 18:36:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 92 peice safety kit Message-ID: <20061213023626.40653.qmail@web60814.mail.yahoo.com> Mark et al, I found these (Justincase) kits the other day at walmart and bought a bunch. Guess what all my relatives are getting for Xmas! You are right about the price for 92 peice kit--what is intersting, the next lowest price on these by any other retailer is $49 on sale(autobarn). This has all the stuff you might need including a small air compressor, flashlight, jumper cables, tools, and a bunch of ther features. Even if they only work once, sounds like a great bargain for peace of mind esp. for those of us in the field! tina From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mark Easterbrook Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:42 AM To: rockhounds Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: (Rockhounds) desert travel/degrading plastics Ted, You might want to also consider keeping a fire extinguisher designed for the automobile in your trunk, as well. My company requires us to carry one along with a safety kit similar to as you described. In fact, you can get a complete safety kit for $30 or less at KMart or WalMart. The kit has about 96 pieces and comes in a small soft-sided bag with handle and velcro lining on the bottom so it won't roll around in the trunk. Mark Easterbrook --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Dec 12 19:41:11 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Dec 12 19:34:22 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting agate -- in Florida References: <20061213005452.745B84D276@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <457F74B5.2423@Tomaszewski.net> Alan Silverstein wrote: > > Last week in Florida I collected some agate and jasper... In fact I > brought back over 50 pounds of it in my suitcase. Well OK, in both of > my suitcases, after I visited Goodwill and bought another one for $3. > And some of the material went into my wife's suitcase too, I had to > distribute the weight to stay legal. > > Anyway I can hear you muttering, "what? Sure can. Why not ship them home and save your arms at the airport? Traveling light is worth the cost of a few of those whatever-fits-in-the-box at one price specials the big shipping vendors offer. > Most of what I picked up to take home wouldn't be worthwhile if I found > it, say, in Wyoming, but it's pretty special because of WHERE it comes > from. Until I tumble a load I won't know how it turns out, but it looks > promising to at least be interesting. Pabian's website (per lexicon citation 1114) notes that Florida agate may be Tampa Bay Agatized Coral, or Suwannee River Agatized Coral. Which did you find? > > Rockhunting along a shoreline, up to knee-deep in the salt water, sure > was different than doing it in the western US deserts. It was the > ickiest collecting I've ever done. It was often mucky and overgrown > with moss-like coatings on the rocks, even muddy. Especially at Ballast > Point there was a lot of trash on the "beach", and I couldn't tell what > was inside any rock unless I cracked it open (goosh/splat) or chipped > off a corner. Half of the rocks turned out to be concrete or bricks. > It's quite possible I stepped over a geode without knowing it, but any > vug open to the outside was full of living things (shells and > creepy-crawlies like worms) as well as thick mud and vegetation. > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein And Cheers! to you. Great find, and a great trip report! If I ever switch from Michigan's fresh water beaches to salt water beach collecting I now know someplace to start. Thank you. Kreigh From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Dec 12 20:28:55 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Dec 12 20:28:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wimpee's weather report Message-ID: Snow is ice crystals thus on topic. ROTFL Anybody remember the "Hippy-Dippy Weather Reports" by George Carlin on SNL about a century ago? We had the Mobile Rock and Gem Society Christmas party tonight and, besides food and fun, made a donation to the local Ronald McDonald House. Glenn From: jlkelly1066@iglide.net Has anyone, other than myself, ever taken the opportunity to tell unnamable people like Glenn how "appreciated" his remarks about his 80% humidity and temperatures in the 80's in the middle of December are. Watch it Wimpee, there is a place for your kind in rock heaven. Keep on rockin' buddy. While I keep shoveling snow and stoking the furnace for another three to four months here in Utah. Kelly but, even here in the sub-tropics with average humidity over 80% and usually higher in the summer, a nice cool water sprayerreally helps. Nothing beats a cold wet washcloth to cool down...and towipe away sweat. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 06:13:42 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Dec 13 06:13:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting agate -- in Florida In-Reply-To: <457F74B5.2423@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20061213005452.745B84D276@io.frii.com> <457F74B5.2423@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Tampa is far south of the Suwannee, probably 75-100miles. I've heard of divers getting agate from many of the north Florida rivers as well. Crystal, Santa Fe and Alapaha rivers are some examples that I've heard you can find agate in. BK > Pabian's website (per lexicon citation 1114) notes that Florida agate > may be Tampa Bay Agatized Coral, or Suwannee River Agatized Coral. Which > did you find? > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 13 06:38:50 2006 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 13 06:38:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question In-Reply-To: <004f01c71e50$0c540b80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <200612131438.kBDEcrqW022229@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I found a fluorite epimorph (a fluorite octahedron was coated by quartz and then dissolved out) at the Climax Mine near Leadville, Colorado back in 2002. You can see it at this website: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/minpics.php3?mineralid=80&locationid=14 Sorry I don't have a better picture of it. You should be able to make out the octahedral shape of the largest crystal and several smaller ones underneath it. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:46 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question I have found a nice epimorph of 2 calcite crystals in fluorite from the Columbia mine in the fluorspar district. See: http://www.mindat.org/photo-68013.html. I've also found fluorite cube epimorphs in barite at the Pygmy mine. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Reynard" To: "magnet" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > Steve, > > Thanks! from the rock detectives and treasure hunters of the Mid-Hudson > Valley Gem & Mineral Society. > > I know the term epimorth, the brain just could not retrieve it...... > .......! > > In my Gem & Mineral club I belong to an interest group we call "The > Puzzlers". The puzzle we are working on is a specimen found by one of our > members using the Adirondack method-[you throw down one rock upon another > to > break them apart]. The rock from Westchester County, NY is a very fine > textured gneiss with a contact of smoky quartz. At that contact there is > an > epimorth large enough to see the termination and the faces, 1/2 inch wide. > The epimorth is totally within the massive smoky quartz. The other half of > the rock has the other half of the crystal which is also terminated. > > To see the crystal form I used artist's oil base clay and pressed it in > the > mold (epimorth). It worked rather well. It looks trigonal and more like a > calcite crystal. Now I am puzzling as to whether I have an epimorph of a > calcite crystal or a quartz crystal [or anything else]. It would seem > logical for calcite which could be removed by hydrothermal solutions or > acidic rainwater. The only other possibility I can think of is the crystal > shattered upon impact and was lost. Now, why would there be a large > crystal > of calcite in smoky quartz, doesn't make sense. It would have to be > inplace > before the smoky quartz. If the crystal was quartz where did it go? The > epimorth is lined with a dark brown powder and stained dark brown, so > possibly it is an epimorph of another mineral. > > We will keep puzzling! Fun work for obsessed rockhounds! > > Carolyn Reynard > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "magnet" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > >> Hi Carolyn >> >> Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common > (although I hadn't seen it used before). See > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 >> >> Regards >> Steve >> >> >> > -------Original Message------- >> > From: Carolyn Reynard >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question >> > Sent: 11 Dec '06 19:00 >> > >> > When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially > encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology > Is there a name for that mold? >> > Carolyn Reynard >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 13 08:37:41 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 13 08:37:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting agate -- in Florida In-Reply-To: <20061213005452.745B84D276@io.frii.com> References: <20061213005452.745B84D276@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <45802C55.9030807@tenforward.com> Hi Alan, Thank you for taking the time to post such a nice paper. These are the reports I most enjoy seeing here and yours was most welcome! Thanks for a great read this morning. All the very best, John Alan Silverstein wrote: >Last week in Florida I collected some agate and jasper... In fact I >brought back over 50 pounds of it in my suitcase. Well OK, in both of >my suitcases, after I visited Goodwill and bought another one for $3. >And some of the material went into my wife's suitcase too, I had to >distribute the weight to stay legal. > >Anyway I can hear you muttering, "what? Florida is nothing but coral >rock." That's what I thought too. I lived in the state for a little >while back in the 1970s, and have visited my parents in the Tampa area >many times since. Done a little snorkeling, a fair bit of shell >collecting, but never any rocks... Other than the rare opportunity to >visit a phosphate mine once. > >I'd heard of Tampa Bay agatized coral geodes, but also that they were >pretty much worked out. Last May I saw a specimen in the Smithsonian >and it rekindled my interest. I did some research before our recent >vacation trip. Thanks to the kindly folks at the Florida Geological >Survey, I learned about Ballast Point Park, which is on the east side of >the penninsula south of Tampa (between Old Tampa and Hillsborough Bays). >I also got a pointer to the Dunedin Causeway, which goes west to >Honeymoon Island (on the gulf coast north and west of Tampa). And they >mentioned this excellent web article: >http://www.tampabayrockclub.com/Articles/AgateCoral.htm > >Some of you might recall that my main interest is tumbling material. I >figured, where there WERE geodes, there might STILL BE chunks of agate >and jasper -- and indeed there were. I found it on the south side of >the causeway west of the drawbridge, also all over the beach at >Honeymoon Island (funny that I'd never noticed it before), and here and >there at Ballast Point too. But I didn't spend much time at the last >location, just passed through ten minutes before sunset, in a cold >howling wind, to check it over... More on that later. > >On the Dunedin causeway I found mostly small scraps of flinty gray to >greenish or black agate in a calcareous matrix, in the water or at the >waterline, with a lot of white shelly shapes and/or small drusy pockets >or banding. It looked like the dredge rocks used to build the causeway >have recemented pretty tough, but chunks are weathering out in spots, up >to several pounds. > >At Honeymoon Island we walked north from the north pavilion over 1.5 >miles and back, mostly to shell hunt and enjoy the white sandy beach >experience. We even saw a pod of dolphins (maybe 10 total) swimming >along off the coast. To my surprise I noted a great deal of the same >silicified stuff that I hadn't particularly realized in years past, very >similar in variety and size (from chips to multi-pound boulders), at >many spots on the shoreline. So I guess it's native to at least that >area, and weathering out. > >Washing and sorting the material, it ranges from occasionally quite >interesting -- even some small drusy or botryoidal pockets -- to mostly >boring -- crumbly coral rock, although full of holes, but not silicied >after all. Also some of it is black inside a bright orange rather than >white matrix ("limonite"?) The agatized portions grade quite >irregularly into limestone... I found one small scallop shell, still >with original color, embedded an inch or two from solid black opaque >agate in a single chunk... Weird. > >The rocks are surprisingly tough to crack with a hammer, whether or not >silicified. I think the agate/jasper is fairly competent and solid, >while the limestone absorbs the energy, especially when wet. > >I found few small bits reminiscent of the inside of a geode, including a >little blue/white "stalactite" half an inch long, but of course nothing >like the specimen I saw in the Smithsonian in May (grin). > >None of the rocks I found were well-shaped geodes, but very randomly >silicified. Also not very colorful, mostly gray to black, some white or >blue, but pale. However, some have interesting shell or coral shapes >embedded in the agate/jasper. > >Most of what I picked up to take home wouldn't be worthwhile if I found >it, say, in Wyoming, but it's pretty special because of WHERE it comes >from. Until I tumble a load I won't know how it turns out, but it looks >promising to at least be interesting. > >Rockhunting along a shoreline, up to knee-deep in the salt water, sure >was different than doing it in the western US deserts. It was the >ickiest collecting I've ever done. It was often mucky and overgrown >with moss-like coatings on the rocks, even muddy. Especially at Ballast >Point there was a lot of trash on the "beach", and I couldn't tell what >was inside any rock unless I cracked it open (goosh/splat) or chipped >off a corner. Half of the rocks turned out to be concrete or bricks. >It's quite possible I stepped over a geode without knowing it, but any >vug open to the outside was full of living things (shells and >creepy-crawlies like worms) as well as thick mud and vegetation. > >Cheers, >Alan Silverstein > > From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Wed Dec 13 09:06:28 2006 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Wed Dec 13 09:03:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <200612131438.kBDEcrqW022229@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000c01c71ed9$082334d0$220ca118@feldsparflash> I could see the epimorph Bob! Your website Colorado Rockhounding is a treasure. I grew up in Wichita, Kansas and my geologist father took the family to Colorado almost every summer! Thanks! Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question > I found a fluorite epimorph (a fluorite octahedron was coated by quartz and > then dissolved out) at the Climax Mine near Leadville, Colorado back in > 2002. You can see it at this website: > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/minpics.php3?mineralid=80&locationid=14 > > Sorry I don't have a better picture of it. You should be able to make out > the octahedral shape of the largest crystal and several smaller ones > underneath it. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:46 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > I have found a nice epimorph of 2 calcite crystals in fluorite from the > Columbia mine in the fluorspar district. See: > http://www.mindat.org/photo-68013.html. I've also found fluorite cube > epimorphs in barite at the Pygmy mine. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Reynard" > To: "magnet" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for rock and gem collectors" > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > > > Steve, > > > > Thanks! from the rock detectives and treasure hunters of the Mid-Hudson > > Valley Gem & Mineral Society. > > > > I know the term epimorth, the brain just could not retrieve it...... > > .......! > > > > In my Gem & Mineral club I belong to an interest group we call "The > > Puzzlers". The puzzle we are working on is a specimen found by one of our > > members using the Adirondack method-[you throw down one rock upon another > > to > > break them apart]. The rock from Westchester County, NY is a very fine > > textured gneiss with a contact of smoky quartz. At that contact there is > > an > > epimorth large enough to see the termination and the faces, 1/2 inch wide. > > The epimorth is totally within the massive smoky quartz. The other half of > > the rock has the other half of the crystal which is also terminated. > > > > To see the crystal form I used artist's oil base clay and pressed it in > > the > > mold (epimorth). It worked rather well. It looks trigonal and more like a > > calcite crystal. Now I am puzzling as to whether I have an epimorph of a > > calcite crystal or a quartz crystal [or anything else]. It would seem > > logical for calcite which could be removed by hydrothermal solutions or > > acidic rainwater. The only other possibility I can think of is the crystal > > shattered upon impact and was lost. Now, why would there be a large > > crystal > > of calcite in smoky quartz, doesn't make sense. It would have to be > > inplace > > before the smoky quartz. If the crystal was quartz where did it go? The > > epimorth is lined with a dark brown powder and stained dark brown, so > > possibly it is an epimorph of another mineral. > > > > We will keep puzzling! Fun work for obsessed rockhounds! > > > > Carolyn Reynard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "magnet" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > > > > >> Hi Carolyn > >> > >> Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common > > (although I hadn't seen it used before). See > > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 > >> > >> Regards > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > -------Original Message------- > >> > From: Carolyn Reynard > >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question > >> > Sent: 11 Dec '06 19:00 > >> > > >> > When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially > > encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology > > Is there a name for that mold? > >> > Carolyn Reynard > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 13 09:37:05 2006 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 13 09:37:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question In-Reply-To: <000c01c71ed9$082334d0$220ca118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <200612131737.kBDHb5H8008066@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Carolyn, I'm glad you like the website. I haven't had time to work on it for quite a while, but when my life settles down a little, I'll continue with it. I moved to Denver from Phoenix about 11 years ago and I have no regrets. Lots of rockhounding to do... so little time. :-) Regards, Bob Loeffler BobL@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Reynard Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:06 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question I could see the epimorph Bob! Your website Colorado Rockhounding is a treasure. I grew up in Wichita, Kansas and my geologist father took the family to Colorado almost every summer! Thanks! Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Question > I found a fluorite epimorph (a fluorite octahedron was coated by quartz and > then dissolved out) at the Climax Mine near Leadville, Colorado back in > 2002. You can see it at this website: > > http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/minpics.php3?mineralid=80&locationid=14 > > Sorry I don't have a better picture of it. You should be able to make out > the octahedral shape of the largest crystal and several smaller ones > underneath it. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:46 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > I have found a nice epimorph of 2 calcite crystals in fluorite from the > Columbia mine in the fluorspar district. See: > http://www.mindat.org/photo-68013.html. I've also found fluorite cube > epimorphs in barite at the Pygmy mine. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Reynard" > To: "magnet" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for rock and gem collectors" > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > > > Steve, > > > > Thanks! from the rock detectives and treasure hunters of the Mid-Hudson > > Valley Gem & Mineral Society. > > > > I know the term epimorth, the brain just could not retrieve it...... > > .......! > > > > In my Gem & Mineral club I belong to an interest group we call "The > > Puzzlers". The puzzle we are working on is a specimen found by one of our > > members using the Adirondack method-[you throw down one rock upon another > > to > > break them apart]. The rock from Westchester County, NY is a very fine > > textured gneiss with a contact of smoky quartz. At that contact there is > > an > > epimorth large enough to see the termination and the faces, 1/2 inch wide. > > The epimorth is totally within the massive smoky quartz. The other half of > > the rock has the other half of the crystal which is also terminated. > > > > To see the crystal form I used artist's oil base clay and pressed it in > > the > > mold (epimorth). It worked rather well. It looks trigonal and more like a > > calcite crystal. Now I am puzzling as to whether I have an epimorph of a > > calcite crystal or a quartz crystal [or anything else]. It would seem > > logical for calcite which could be removed by hydrothermal solutions or > > acidic rainwater. The only other possibility I can think of is the crystal > > shattered upon impact and was lost. Now, why would there be a large > > crystal > > of calcite in smoky quartz, doesn't make sense. It would have to be > > inplace > > before the smoky quartz. If the crystal was quartz where did it go? The > > epimorth is lined with a dark brown powder and stained dark brown, so > > possibly it is an epimorph of another mineral. > > > > We will keep puzzling! Fun work for obsessed rockhounds! > > > > Carolyn Reynard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "magnet" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > > > > >> Hi Carolyn > >> > >> Epimorph. Although it seems that perimorph is becoming more common > > (although I hadn't seen it used before). See > > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_78/ai_107757209 > >> > >> Regards > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > -------Original Message------- > >> > From: Carolyn Reynard > >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question > >> > Sent: 11 Dec '06 19:00 > >> > > >> > When a crystal is dissolved from a matrix that completely or partially > > encloses it there is a negative or empty volume remaining. In mineralology > > Is there a name for that mold? > >> > Carolyn Reynard > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 13 09:51:11 2006 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 13 09:51:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Denver Show: September In The Rockies In-Reply-To: <457B07CD.6010502@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <200612131751.kBDHpBwJ009346@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi John, Thanks for the nice write-up! I'm glad you had a good time at the Denver Show this year. It was good to see you, Scott Kleine and everyone else. We've heard from lots of people and they all like the new location of the gold panning (we moved it to that back corner for the 2005 show), although it can get pretty loud at times with all of those kids. :-) Hopefully we'll see you and other list members next year where the show theme will be "The Leadville Mining District". Regards, Bob Loeffler BobL@peaktopeak.com Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman Denver Gem and Mineral Show http://www.DenverMineralShow.com Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3 -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria Cornish Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:00 PM To: Drizzle Subject: [Rockhounds] The Denver Show: September In The Rockies Hi Everyone, I hope this newest writing finds you all well! I've my most recent paper here (click on the link below) and while a bit belated, I hope you'll still enjoy it. I call this one... The Denver Show: September In The Rockies http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishSeptember06.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From ajs at frii.com Wed Dec 13 10:55:14 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Wed Dec 13 10:56:03 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting agate -- in Florida In-Reply-To: <457F74B5.2423@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20061213185514.EF5BE4D276@io.frii.com> Kreigh et al, > Why not ship them home and save your arms at the airport? Traveling > light is worth the cost of a few of those whatever-fits-in-the-box at > one price specials the big shipping vendors offer. Well I considered that, almost did it, but it turned out just as easy to pick up a suitcase as to find a box, packing material, a place to ship it, etc. There's a UPS store near my folks, we passed by it, but the next day I happened into a Goodwill that had a little suitcase for $3, and the amount of rocks wasn't that great, so I bought it and gave up on shipping. Yeah, it was a little hard lugging the extra weight around, but really not too bad. My wife's luggage is on wheels, too. :-) > Pabian's website (per lexicon citation 1114) notes that Florida agate > may be Tampa Bay Agatized Coral, or Suwannee River Agatized Coral. > Which did you find? Heck if I know, and without a URL, I don't know where to look, and time is short... I can tell you that the little bit of agate/jasper I found on shore at Ballast Point (the canonical location) was similar in style to the Dunedin Causeway material. Since I'm not a canonical collecter, but someone who just likes the process and the pretty rocks, I'm not real hung up on knowing things like which formation it came out of. It's interesting, but it's not a primary concern for me -- with all due respect to those who DO like to go at it more rigorously. Cheers, Alan From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Dec 13 11:32:05 2006 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed Dec 13 11:34:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing References: <200612131737.kBDHb5H8008066@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <03b001c71eed$663f10c0$0200a8c0@warren> The posts regarding Colorado reminded me, fondly of my first real rockhounding trip. I came late to rockhounding, though John had done it as a kid. Sometime in 2000 we went to Emerald Creek to dig star garnet and I was hooked. We bought books, I searched websites, etc. John spent a chunk of the summer of 2001 in Illinois working. He'd bought a car while he was there and was driving back, so in September, I flew out, and we went rockhounding, sort of. We started on the Keweenah Penninsula and had absolutely no idea what we were doing. We learned a chunk of geology from a kids book ("Is This an Agate?") including way cool words like "amygdule". We got lost...umm...trying to find Lake Superior at the very tip of the Pennisula (drove around for three hours - never did get there - I still can't figure it out - that sucker is BIG!); bought our first Estwing; got some great copper samples, agates and other stuff, then headed home to the Portland, Oregon area. On our way home we found galena near Galena, Illinois, went to Crystal Park for the first time; collected minerals, fossils and agates from other places in Montana, Wyoming, etc. But Colorado... Bob, if you were running that site in 2001, that is where I looked to try to find a place to rockhound in Colorado. I don't remember what site we were actually *looking* for.- I think the word "Crystal" was in the name, as we were going for the obvious in those days - but we ended up in the mountains/hills, I believe west and south of Denver. We were in deep forest, but John saw a rock formation along side the road about the size of a small house. So we stopped and walked around the back of it and there was an area about 12 to 15 square, with three walls built of mica, about 15 feet tall. We got some terrific books of mica from that spot, but the cool thing was that so much mica had weathered off the walls that the entire ground was soft and bouncy, like an extra soft mattress. I bounced for about 1/2 hour - lol. Will never, ever forget it. And BOY would I love to take that same trip knowing what I know now! Julie From totis99 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 15:12:55 2006 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Wed Dec 13 15:13:02 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing In-Reply-To: <03b001c71eed$663f10c0$0200a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <306374.35448.qm@web36710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> only a rockhound would find the Keweenaw 'on the way' from Illinois to Washington LOL! gotta love dem rocks! > > John spent a chunk of the summer of 2001 in Illinois > working. He'd bought a car while he was there and was driving back, so in September, I flew out, > and we went rockhounding, sort of. > > We started on the Keweenah Penninsula and had > absolutely no idea what we > were doing. >> > And BOY would I love to take that same trip knowing > what I know now! > I've often thought the same thing when I look back on my 'beginner years'. In Arkansas, you could find crystals just about anywhere and that is cool; but, when friends took me down to Magnet Cove and I got well and truly addicted to all those 'pretty little rocks', it wasn't until a couple years later that I realized how fortunate I had been to be able to go rockhounding in the Magnet Cove area.....the rarity of what is there mineralogically speaking and most of the areas there are closed now (open only to the pro's anymore). Teresa Otis > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Dec 13 16:01:58 2006 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 13 16:02:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing In-Reply-To: <03b001c71eed$663f10c0$0200a8c0@warren> References: <200612131737.kBDHb5H8008066@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <03b001c71eed$663f10c0$0200a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <8C8ED2A35138743-EC4-698E@FWM-R16.sysops.aol.com> Julie, That's an interesting story, and yes, you are certainly a newcomer to "rocks"; this was just in 2001, and to me, that's just "yesterday". I was especially interested/amused by your account of the place with the "walls of mica" in Colorado. I've visited a lot of places in Colorado, collecting minerals (or searching for them anyway), and I honestly must say, I've never been to any place remotely resembling what you're describing, tho I know of some places with a lot of mica. So you must have stumbled on something really good; maybe it's like the Lost Dutchman mine, no one will ever find it again. You were probably going to the Crystal Peak area, which is near Florissant, which is indeed SW of Denver, it being of course the "heart" of the amazonite-smoky quartz country. In that vicinity is also Crystal Hill (also called Goethite Hill), also Crystal Creek, and closer to Colorado Springs is Crystal Park (no relation to the Montana one). Also in northern Colorado (prob. not where you were, now we are NW of Denver, closer to Fort Collins) is Crystal Mountain. Have fun diggin' rocks, Pete -----Original Message----- From: julie@pandemoniumgraphics.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing The posts regarding Colorado reminded me, fondly of my first real rockhounding trip. I came late to rockhounding, though John had done it as a kid. Sometime in 2000 we went to Emerald Creek to dig star garnet and I was hooked. We bought books, I searched websites, etc. John spent a chunk of the summer of 2001 in Illinois working. He'd bought a car while he was there and was driving back, so in September, I flew out, and we went rockhounding, sort of. We started on the Keweenah Penninsula and had absolutely no idea what we were doing. We learned a chunk of geology from a kids book ("Is This an Agate?") including way cool words like "amygdule". We got lost...umm...trying to find Lake Superior at the very tip of the Pennisula (drove around for three hours - never did get there - I still can't figure it out - that sucker is BIG!); bought our first Estwing; got some great copper samples, agates and other stuff, then headed home to the Portland, Oregon area. On our way home we found galena near Galena, Illinois, went to Crystal Park for the first time; collected minerals, fossils and agates from other places in Montana, Wyoming, etc. But Colorado... Bob, if you were running that site in 2001, that is where I looked to try to find a place to rockhound in Colorado. I don't remember what site we were actually *looking* for.- I think the word "Crystal" was in the name, as we were going for the obvious in those days - but we ended up in the mountains/hills, I believe west and south of Denver. We were in deep forest, but John saw a rock formation along side the road about the size of a small house. So we stopped and walked around the back of it and there was an area about 12 to 15 square, with three walls built of mica, about 15 feet tall. We got some terrific books of mica from that spot, but the cool thing was that so much mica had weathered off the walls that the entire ground was soft and bouncy, like an extra soft mattress. I bounced for about 1/2 hour - lol. Will never, ever forget it. And BOY would I love to take that same trip knowing what I know now! Julie -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 17:20:19 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Dec 13 17:20:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting Mars geology news Message-ID: Take a look here: BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds at adelphia.net Wed Dec 13 17:36:30 2006 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Wed Dec 13 17:36:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flat sided buckets In-Reply-To: <257649.73571.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c71f20$4b329850$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> WE get ours from a local hamburger place, we pay $1 for them. The buckets had salad dressing in them. They are 4 gallons and very well behind the seats in our explorer so we keep the weight forward of the back wheels. So we put 5 of them behind the seat. 20 Gallons of material! Kelly H -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:36 PM To: rockhounds list Subject: [Rockhounds] desert travel/heat strategies I want to thank everyone for their great suggestions on counter heat strategies over the past couple days. Erich K also responded off line and suggested that the reflective stuff used in windsheild visors was available at Home Depot or one of those place (I forget which he mentioned). I can then make some side reflectors and use the material to cover a crate and see if that helps this summer. Since I have tinted windows, additional reflective on the windows wouldn't help in the back. I wondered it covering the crates with the reflective space blanket or the same material as the visor would actually work since it seems to help more with direct sun and not with the ambient temp in the car--the heat would come in from below and sides, but I'll try it. Since I have tinted windows in the back, they filter out some of the radiant heat. Erich also suggested using a container with sand in it as the sand works to slow the heat (sorry if I botched your explanation erich). Kreigh suggested packing some of the material in a mason jar--I tried a 2 lb coffee tin this weekend and see how that works. I didn't know about flat sided buckets, but my knees and shins will be thrilled to know that! Will go hunt those down! Didn't know the military wool blankets are inexpensive so I'll be hunting those down; in my book they have a high utility index, right next to space blankets. (and if you ahven't tried these--they are wonderful and very surprising in that they work! $2.19 at walmart). You can put them over your sleeping bag and convert it from a 32 to 10 degree bag. I'll try the marine grade rope, Ted. Thanks. Thanks Kreigh and Ted and everyone else. Something I will share with you all is the use of dry ice for longer trips in hot weather. Lasts longer in the beer coolers apparently, and not too expensive when you go to places where you don't have the option of coming back to town every few days for ice. Don't let it touch meat and the like, according to some friends who use this strategy often. (and leave the cooler in the bed of the truck if you can.) Following on some of the other conversations, here is a great idea to keep cool with--remember the bandanas the cowboys used? I rarely go collecting anymore without one. The larger ones used in the military as slings are preferable. Worn with the vee in the back, I can soak it in water and keep neck and upper back cool and protect both from sun. When digging, I turn it forward and wear it over my mouth to keep the dust other airbornes out. This works great too when you are running behind a caravan of drivers over dusty roads and have the windows down:) It has lots of first aid applications too. Don't leave home without it! Thanks again everyone for taking time to share your strategies. Tina Tuttle --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Dec 13 18:14:57 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Dec 13 18:15:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Etna eruption update: 12 December 2006 Message-ID: <001801c71f25$a7adba60$9bfcf604@TheBlackAdder> ****************************** Summit eruption continues at Mount Etna Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia - Sezione di Catania From: Boris Behncke (behncke@ct.ingv.it) and Sonia Calvari (calvari@ct.ingv.it) ****************************** (All times are in GMT) Episodic eruptive activity continued at the South-East Crater of Etna (SEC) until December 2006, involving a number of explosive and effusive vents on and around the SEC cone. Continuous lava effusion occurred from a vent at 2800 m elevation on the western headwall of the Valle del Bove, which had become active on 13 October. Explosive activity temporarily stopped on 7 December, but resumed four days later. The following is summarized from daily observations made by researchers of the INGV staff and their reports posted on the INGV-CT web site (www.ct.ingv.it). Updated reports of the activity (in Italian) are available at the page dedicated to the 2006 activity at http://www.ct.ingv.it/Etna2006/Default.htm. After two days of pause from the previous eruptive episode, the SEC produced its 16th eruptive episode on 24 November. Ash emissions mixed with Strombolian explosions started at 02:19, when the INGV-CT thermal monitoring camera located in Nicolosi (~15 km S of the SEC) began to record a significant anomaly at the SEC summit. Strombolian activity at 03:20 was accompanied by voluminous ash emission, which formed a plume that rose about 2000 m above the summit before being blown to SE. Two particularly powerful explosions occurred at 04:52 and 04:55, the second of which was followed by the extrusion of lava from a vent presumably located within the 16 November trench. Lava began to extrude from the 3050 m vent on the S flank of Bocca Nuova at around 05:35, forming a small flow on the W side of the lava flow field emplaced since 26 October. A second minor flow issued from another vent located about 80 m SE of the 3050 m vent. Vigorous ash emission from the summit of the SEC caused light ashfalls over populated areas between Zafferana and Acireale. A fracture opened at about 08:17 at the SSE base of the SEC cone, producing a violent explosion and a rock avalanche that descended at a speed of several tens of km/h toward the Valle del Bove, following the path of similar avalanches that had occurred on 16 November. Lava effusion continued from vents at the base of the cone, where mild spattering was observed. A second fracture formed upslope from the effusive vent at 2800 m elevation displaying spattering and lava emission. During the early afternoon a change in the wind direction drew the plume from its earlier SE-ward course toward Catania and adjacent areas, forcing the closure of the Fontanarossa International airport of Catania. The activity began to diminish and by 15:30 all explosive phenomena ceased, while lava continued to issue from two vents at the base of the SEC cone for several hours. Late in the afternoon, weak, sporadic Strombolian explosions occurred from a pit located on the E flank of the SEC cone, which had formed during the 23 October eruptive episode (hereafter named "23 October pit"). On 25 November this vent produced pulsating ash emissions that continued intermittently for the next two days. On the early morning of 27 November, eruptive episode #17 occurred at the SEC. Eruptive activity started around 04:10, when the thermal monitoring camera at Nicolosi (~15 km S of the SEC) began to record a significant thermal anomaly at the crater, and an ash plume drifting W. Visual observations were hampered by inclement weather. Around 07:30, imagery from the thermal monitoring camera at Nicolosi allowed to recognize lava emission on the W side of the SEC cone, possibly from the vent at 3180 m elevation in the saddle between the SEC and the Bocca Nuova. Approximately 45 minutes later, lava emission became also evident at the SE base of the cone. No further visual observations were available after 08:45, but the volcanic tremor amplitude remained high until the afternoon, when a sharp drop indicated the end of this eruptive episode. Bad weather persisted until early on 29 November, when ash emissions from the 23 October pit on the E flank of the SEC cone became again visible. These became more intense after 05:45, and the volcanic tremor amplitude began to increase rapidly during the later forenoon. Intermittent, weak Strombolian activity from the 23 October pit was visible after nightfall; this became notably stronger shortly after 01:00 on 30 November and reached its highest intensity around 01:30, after which there was a notable decrease. Ash emissions occurred from the same pit at dawn and again from 12:40 onward, producing low ash plumes. Eruptive episode #18 came on 30 November and significantly differed from its predecessors. At around 16:00 on that day, lava fountains began to rise from the 2800 m vent. Two hours later there was a significant increase in the level of activity at the 23 October pit, which emitted a dense plume of ash, and Strombolian explosions reached up to 150 m above the vent. At 20:45, a fissure opened at the base of the SEC cone, at ~3100 m elevation, producing vigorous spattering several tens of meters high and a short lava flow that extended in the direction of the 2800 m vent. After about 10 minutes the activity of this new fissure diminished, but lava emission continued at a decreasing rate for about one hour. The 23 October pit remained vigorously active for the next 5 hours, producing incandescent jets and a dense tephra plume. The new fissure at 3100 m elevation revived around 01:15 on 1 December, with vigorous spattering and a new surge of lava directed toward the 2800 m vent. Activity at the 23 October pit showed a strong increase at the same time. Like on the evening before, the new fissure at 3100 m elevation remained active only for a short time; lava emission ceased by 02:00 on 1 December. The 2800 m vent produced the largest lava flows during the entire period of activity, extending to ~1500 m elevation on the Valle del Bove floor, at approximately 4.7 km distance from their source. Between 1 and 3 December, the 23 October pit remained active with nearly continuous emissions of ash interspersed with Strombolian activity accompanied by low fountaining and lava emission from the 3100 m fissure. Lava flows from that fissure were generally short and did not extend far beyond the 2800 m vent. The last observed activity at this vent occurred during the foreneoon of 3 December. Ash emissions from the 23 October pit continued for another few days but became progressively weaker; likewise the lava emission at the 2800 m vent diminished gradually. The episode # 19 of weak Strombolian activity and ash emission occurred on the afternoon of 6 December, as evidenced by increased volcanic tremor. After that the tremor amplitude dropped rapidly to very low levels, and eruptive activity at the SEC ceased late on 6 December, whereas lava continued to be emitted at a low rate from the 2800 m vent. On the morning of 8 December, no eruptive activity was visible at any of the numerous vents that had participated in the activity of the previous weeks. Following several days of very low level, volcanic tremor amplitude began to increase again late on 10 December. Eruptive activity resumed around 03:30 on 11 December giving rise to episode # 20, occurred from the 23 October pit on the SEC, with Strombolian explosions that were recorded by the monitoring cameras of the INGV-Catania. Simultaneously, lava emission started from the area of the 2800 m vent, forming a flow that slowly descended toward the Valle del Bove. Calculation of the areas covered with lava during the 2006 summit eruptions (July-December) yields a rough estimation of the erupted volumes. The 14-24 July activity produced a lava field covering 0.65 km2, with a volume of ~3 x 106 m3. The lavas emitted from the 3050 m vent covered about 1.1 km2, and their volume amounts to ~3 x106 m3. The largest lava field was produced by the 2800 m vent, covering 1.35 km2, with a volume of ~7 x 106 m3. The volumes of lavas produced during overflows from the SEC summit vent and from fissures on its flanks is in the range of 1 x 106 m3. The total volume of lava produced during the 5 months of summit activity in 2006 thus amounts to ~ 14 x 106 m3. Dr. Sonia Calvari Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia Sezione di Catania Piazza Roma 2 95123 Catania (Italy) Tel. +39 095 7165800 direct: +39 095 7165862 Fax: +39 095 435801 url: www.ct.ingv.it --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapidry at aol.com Wed Dec 13 18:21:19 2006 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Wed Dec 13 18:21:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flat sided buckets Message-ID: If you want flat sided buckets, find someone with a cat that uses scoupable cat litter. There are two styles, square, that's probably about 4 gallons, and a rectangular one, this one comes in various heights, depending on the amount of cat litter. They tend to be largest from the wholesale clubs.... I've probably picked up a dozen in the last year as I drive by recycle bins out at the curb. Dan In a message dated 12/13/2006 8:37:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rockhounds@adelphia.net writes: WE get ours from a local hamburger place, we pay $1 for them. The buckets had salad dressing in them. They are 4 gallons and very well behind the seats in our explorer so we keep the weight forward of the back wheels. So we put 5 of them behind the seat. 20 Gallons of material! Kelly H --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From info at agatesfromargentina.com Wed Dec 13 18:25:35 2006 From: info at agatesfromargentina.com (AGATES from ARGENTINA) Date: Wed Dec 13 18:25:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Agates found in Argentina Message-ID: <000b01c71f27$24d28330$93c0e818@xp3gigapro> Although many Worldwide agate Collectors already know that there are "Condor" type agates in Argentina , let us tell you that we found some new sources in different places in our Country. "Condor" type agates , become from the "Cuyean" Region ("Mendoza" Province , near "San Rafael" City) Patgonian Agates , become from the Patagonian Region , limited naturally by "Rio Colorado" (Red River). Gravel Pit Agates : found alongside "Rio Uruguay" (Uruguay River) which is the natural Border between Uruguay and Argentina.These agates , were found in the Argentinian Border. All agates were collected by Claudia and me (Ricardo) during long trips since three years to the present time. Please , take a look at these new agates at : www.agatesfromargentina.com Ricardo & Claudia Birnie Argentina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Wed Dec 13 20:18:20 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Wed Dec 13 20:18:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Avi/laughlin rock show Message-ID: <385780.30641.qm@web60817.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, wondered if you webgurus can help me figure something out. When I go to the laughlin/avi rock show website cited on several webpages for info on this show I get to the mineral show webpage at http://www.cloudsjamboree.com/ then for more info on the Southern Nevada Gem and Mineral club, when I clik on the link provided http://www.sngms.com I get a series of commercial ad driven websites which have fake links to the club website. Some of links for the mineral club (or whatever generic term is used) take you deeper into these weird commercial sites. Deja Vu--I remember this happening to me last year, same time, same site and ended up not going. Anybody explain this to me? Am I making an error somewhere (beside foggy memory?) Secondarily, anyone know a contact for that club? Thanks, Tina T --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 13 22:35:52 2006 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 13 22:35:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Avi/laughlin rock show In-Reply-To: <385780.30641.qm@web60817.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200612140635.kBE6Zows009486@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Tina, It could be one of two things: Either the webmaster made a mistake by creating the link as www.sngms.org instead of www.sngms.com, or he/she did it on purpose. I have been seeing more and more of these lately. Usually it's a mistake, but sometimes I wonder. If you use the www.sngms.com link, it will work. Their e-mail seems to be sngmsweb@aol.com Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:18 PM To: rockhounds list Subject: [Rockhounds] Avi/laughlin rock show Hi all, wondered if you webgurus can help me figure something out. When I go to the laughlin/avi rock show website cited on several webpages for info on this show I get to the mineral show webpage at http://www.cloudsjamboree.com/ then for more info on the Southern Nevada Gem and Mineral club, when I clik on the link provided http://www.sngms.com I get a series of commercial ad driven websites which have fake links to the club website. Some of links for the mineral club (or whatever generic term is used) take you deeper into these weird commercial sites. Deja Vu--I remember this happening to me last year, same time, same site and ended up not going. Anybody explain this to me? Am I making an error somewhere (beside foggy memory?) Secondarily, anyone know a contact for that club? Thanks, Tina T --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Dec 13 23:23:15 2006 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Dec 13 23:24:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing In-Reply-To: <03b001c71eed$663f10c0$0200a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <200612140723.kBE7NDWw012921@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Julie, Wow, I just looked back through my e-mails and found that I created the Colorado Rockhounding website back in March of 2001. I didn't realize it had been that long. There was another Colorado Rockhounding website before mine, but it had only 8 or 10 digging locations on it. If you can give us anymore details about the mica place, please do! Where there's mica, there's usually other minerals, too. :-) Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Julie Siebel Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:32 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing The posts regarding Colorado reminded me, fondly of my first real rockhounding trip. I came late to rockhounding, though John had done it as a kid. Sometime in 2000 we went to Emerald Creek to dig star garnet and I was hooked. We bought books, I searched websites, etc. John spent a chunk of the summer of 2001 in Illinois working. He'd bought a car while he was there and was driving back, so in September, I flew out, and we went rockhounding, sort of. We started on the Keweenah Penninsula and had absolutely no idea what we were doing. We learned a chunk of geology from a kids book ("Is This an Agate?") including way cool words like "amygdule". We got lost...umm...trying to find Lake Superior at the very tip of the Pennisula (drove around for three hours - never did get there - I still can't figure it out - that sucker is BIG!); bought our first Estwing; got some great copper samples, agates and other stuff, then headed home to the Portland, Oregon area. On our way home we found galena near Galena, Illinois, went to Crystal Park for the first time; collected minerals, fossils and agates from other places in Montana, Wyoming, etc. But Colorado... Bob, if you were running that site in 2001, that is where I looked to try to find a place to rockhound in Colorado. I don't remember what site we were actually *looking* for.- I think the word "Crystal" was in the name, as we were going for the obvious in those days - but we ended up in the mountains/hills, I believe west and south of Denver. We were in deep forest, but John saw a rock formation along side the road about the size of a small house. So we stopped and walked around the back of it and there was an area about 12 to 15 square, with three walls built of mica, about 15 feet tall. We got some terrific books of mica from that spot, but the cool thing was that so much mica had weathered off the walls that the entire ground was soft and bouncy, like an extra soft mattress. I bounced for about 1/2 hour - lol. Will never, ever forget it. And BOY would I love to take that same trip knowing what I know now! Julie -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Thu Dec 14 05:45:26 2006 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066) Date: Thu Dec 14 05:45:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry about that Message-ID: <45815576.1c0.37bf.6762@iglide.net> It appears that a few of you took umbrage at my meant to be snide remarks about Glenn's weather for rockhounding as opposed to the weather we have for same here in Utah. Sorry about that. Guess I should have taken it off line but thought others might enjoy the thought of the difference in rockhounding in different parts of the country this time of year. Apologies if I offended. However, while I am on the subject: Got a call last Saturday from a friend. "Kelly, I am standing in the middle of a yard surrounded by about 5 ton of gemstones. Would you like some of these?" Silly boy. Long story short, nothing was in piles, well, it was in some piles but literally ALL of it was under about 2 inches of mud, old snow, leaves and general muck. 5 hours later I drove away with a truck-load of some of the prettiest stuff you could imagine including about 200 pounds of black turatella, several hundered pounds of petrified wood including one slab that will grace my sweetheart's pond weighing in at a little more than 300 lbs. and (yes, there is a God and He loves me still!) about 50 pounds of Clay Canyon Varascite nodules, and I DO know the difference. (Yeah, I said Clay Canyon, not Lucin. I got about 200 pounds of Lucin.) So, neat things still fall out of the sky and I still don't need Wimpee's weather to find rocks. Keep on rocking. Kelly From Paintricks at aol.com Thu Dec 14 07:21:33 2006 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 14 07:21:44 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing Message-ID: I have found a place that has a lot of mica books. Go north on Hiway 9 just off hiway 50 North of the Royal Gorge. The cliff faces are about 3 to 4 miles on the left(West Side) of the road. Watch for Rattle snakes in the warmer months. A lot of the mica is on the ground but better books of it are on the cliff and you may have to do some climbing. Hope this helps. Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Thu Dec 14 08:22:23 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Dec 14 08:22:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Denver Show: September In The Rockies In-Reply-To: <200612131751.kBDHpBwJ009346@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200612131751.kBDHpBwJ009346@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <45817A3F.7040202@tenforward.com> HI Bob and All, Your welcome and you bet, I'll be there! The gold panning was just too much fun and words just do not convey that raw wonderful energy that all those enthusiastic kids create. Monumental fun! I really enjoy the show, and while I'd love to be quipping in on the other ongoing thread of collecting Colorado, I've not yet had the privilege. I've had the invitations and I'm sure looking forward to taking folks up on their nice offers... one day. I the mean time, thank goodness for all of those here who are/who have shared their CO experiences. All the very best, John Bob Loeffler wrote: >Hi John, > >Thanks for the nice write-up! I'm glad you had a good time at the Denver >Show this year. It was good to see you, Scott Kleine and everyone else. >We've heard from lots of people and they all like the new location of the >gold panning (we moved it to that back corner for the 2005 show), although >it can get pretty loud at times with all of those kids. :-) Hopefully >we'll see you and other list members next year where the show theme will be >"The Leadville Mining District". > >Regards, > >Bob Loeffler >BobL@peaktopeak.com >Field Trip Chairman and Webmaster >North Jeffco Gem & Mineral Club (Arvada, CO USA) >http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/index.php > >Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman >Denver Gem and Mineral Show >http://www.DenverMineralShow.com > >Check out the largest Colorado Rockhounding website at: >http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/index.php3 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John and Gloria >Cornish >Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:00 PM >To: Drizzle >Subject: [Rockhounds] The Denver Show: September In The Rockies > >Hi Everyone, > >I hope this newest writing finds you all well! I've my most recent paper >here (click on the link below) and while a bit belated, I hope you'll >still enjoy it. I call this one... > >The Denver Show: September In The Rockies > >http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishSeptember06.html > > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Dec 14 01:51:28 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Dec 14 09:35:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing References: <200612131737.kBDHb5H8008066@bubbleator.drizzle.com><03b001c71eed$663f10c0$0200a8c0@warren> <8C8ED2A35138743-EC4-698E@FWM-R16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000201c71fa5$d27d4b40$0300a8c0@Notebook> Bob wrote: >If you can give us anymore details about the mica place, please do! Where >there's mica, there's usually other minerals, too. Pete wrote: >Also in northern Colorado (prob. not where you were, now we are NW of >Denver, closer to Fort Collins) is Crystal Mountain. We were west of Fort Collins and I believe it was Crystal Mountain. (Julie was being geographically challenged...again.) As I remember, we were guided by a couple of maps obtained at the local tourist bureau. My Topo USA won't load so I'll check the Gazetteer (if we have Colorado) tomorrow and see if I can pinpoint the site. Great trip! John From ajs at frii.com Thu Dec 14 11:15:46 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Dec 14 11:15:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry about that In-Reply-To: <45815576.1c0.37bf.6762@iglide.net> Message-ID: <20061214191546.A3A2F4D277@io.frii.com> > ...nothing was in piles, well, it was in some piles but literally ALL > of it was under about 2 inches of mud, old snow, leaves and general > muck. Allow me to react and pontificate a moment. Hearing stories like that, sometimes seeing it for myself, saddens me. I already agonize at times about the quantity of material I collect -- "Am I being greedy? Am I vacuuming the site?" What I don't understand is people who bring home buckets of material and then dump it in the yard, or leave the buckets to sit for years, unprocessed, unloved. Well OK, I DO understand it, but I still disdain it. I mollify my own guilt by remembering that I spend (considerable, but enjoyable) time "processing" everything I collect, back at home. It gets soaked, scrubbed if necessary, sorted: Tumble it, hand-polish, spray with acrylic, already good enough, a little trash, etc. Most of it is ultimately given away, and I can always find people who want more of what I have to offer. I also assuage my guilt with the continued decision never to go commercial -- I don't sell anything. Not that I begrudge people with a profit motive, "some of my best friends collect for sale." But it surprises me when even some of them don't "process and protect" their piles. It's just plain bad for business... ? Fortunately there's a lot of great material out there to bring home, and in many places it's self-renewing with erosion. But please, if you, gentle reader, are one of those people who bring home rocks just to let them gather dust (or worse) before even being washed off, reconsider your effect on others. Sure, the rocks will outlive you, but what's the point of just dumping it in your yard? (Unless you mean for it to be part of a rock garden!) Thanks, Alan Silverstein From kugeln at msn.com Thu Dec 14 14:49:41 2006 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Thu Dec 14 14:49:47 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] WARNING RE SUV SKID PLATES Message-ID: Today I had my 2005 Jeep Liberty serviced. Vehicle performs well in back country. I was shocked to be told by my long time mechanic about something that had happened back in October. I'd been in the Black Rock Range in Nevada, took the Jeep in for servicing upon my return and before a long trip to New Mexico. Turns out, and I only found this out today, that when they removed the skid plates for 15,000 mile service, rock fell out onto the head of an employee, who missed 3 weeks of work over a neck injury; fortunately workers' comp was available. Despite driving over lots of rock that scaped the plates they were hardly blemished. But seems it would be a good idea in future to warn service people of such a possibility. Anybody else ever have this happen? John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jaybates at rcn.com Thu Dec 14 16:29:36 2006 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Thu Dec 14 16:29:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] WARNING RE SUV SKID PLATES References: Message-ID: <001f01c71fe0$1a389680$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> John, I really don't have any skid plates on my Jeep Grand Cherokee except a small stock one. You must have picked up the rock going up to the geode mine. Never heard of anyone injuring a mechanic like that. Sorry I missed the Berkley Hills trip. I had to go to Wyoming. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stockwell" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] WARNING RE SUV SKID PLATES Today I had my 2005 Jeep Liberty serviced. Vehicle performs well in back country. I was shocked to be told by my long time mechanic about something that had happened back in October. I'd been in the Black Rock Range in Nevada, took the Jeep in for servicing upon my return and before a long trip to New Mexico. Turns out, and I only found this out today, that when they removed the skid plates for 15,000 mile service, rock fell out onto the head of an employee, who missed 3 weeks of work over a neck injury; fortunately workers' comp was available. Despite driving over lots of rock that scaped the plates they were hardly blemished. But seems it would be a good idea in future to warn service people of such a possibility. Anybody else ever have this happen? John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.13/577 - Release Date: 12/6/06 From kadok at infowest.com Thu Dec 14 16:51:57 2006 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Dec 14 16:51:55 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry about that In-Reply-To: <20061214191546.A3A2F4D277@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <000101c71fe3$3938a7c0$0200a8c0@kadok> Alan, you need to also consider that there are some people who like to have pretty rocks around as decorative pieces. And they have just as much right to have them there doing that, as you have to round them up take them home, and then cut them up, and so on. And "unprocessed" does not necessarily mean "unloved". Some of us can still consider them things of beauty, even as they occur in nature. Without any "help" from man. Margaret What I don't understand is people who bring home buckets of material and then dump it in the yard, or leave the buckets to sit for years, unprocessed, unloved. Well OK, I DO understand it, but I still disdain it. I mollify my own guilt by remembering that I spend (considerable, but enjoyable) time "processing" everything I collect, back at home. It gets soaked, scrubbed if necessary, sorted: Tumble it, hand-polish, spray with acrylic, already good enough, a little trash, etc. Most of it is ultimately given away, and I can always find people who want more of what I have to offer. I also assuage my guilt with the continued decision never to go commercial -- I don't sell anything. Not that I begrudge people with a profit motive, "some of my best friends collect for sale." But it surprises me when even some of them don't "process and protect" their piles. It's just plain bad for business... ? Fortunately there's a lot of great material out there to bring home, and in many places it's self-renewing with erosion. But please, if you, gentle reader, are one of those people who bring home rocks just to let them gather dust (or worse) before even being washed off, reconsider your effect on others. Sure, the rocks will outlive you, but what's the point of just dumping it in your yard? (Unless you mean for it to be part of a rock garden!) Thanks, Alan Silverstein -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Dec 14 17:12:29 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 14 17:12:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Colorado Reminiscing Message-ID: There are a bunch of large pegmatites that were once quarried, in the "Crystal Mountain District" (Larimer County, Colo.). Some is private land, some is Forest Service, some of the roads are open, some are closed & gated, & some are verra verra bumpity. Right at the top of Crystal Mountain is the "Crystal Silica mine", noted for lots of beryl crystals (non gemmy at all, chalky green, and "frozen" in quartz matrix. A number of the other pegs have black tourmaline, mica, and some have tantalite and at least one is noted for (small amounts of) chrysoberyl. One has purpurite. (Flyin' purple purpurite?) I actually haven't been up there for some years, I'm really not sure just what things are like now. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Thu Dec 14 17:57:37 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Dec 14 17:57:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorry about that In-Reply-To: <000101c71fe3$3938a7c0$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <20061215015737.89F4C4D277@io.frii.com> Margaret et al, > Alan, you need to also consider that there are some people who like to > have pretty rocks around as decorative pieces. And they have just as > much right to have them there doing that, as you have to round them up > take them home, and then cut them up, and so on. Well sure! Like I wrote: ...what's the point of just dumping it in your yard? (Unless you mean for it to be part of a rock garden!) > And "unprocessed" does not necessarily mean "unloved". Some of us can > still consider them things of beauty, even as they occur in nature. > Without any "help" from man. Certainly. I guess that's really my point, it's about the love. :-) So let me try again... It bugs me when I see people hauling home a lot of rocks and then basically abandoning them, unloved, unappreciated. Certainly, they have the right to do that if they want. Sure, love is relative; I have a lot of rocks in my house (or even outdoors) that I don't see and enjoy very often, but I still haven't given away yet. Yes, I know the rocks will greatly outlive us, we are just borrowing them, hopefully preserving/enhancing them more than destroying them. Yup, I understand that some people love collecting a lot more than doing anything with what they have collected -- I wrestle with that myself, when I get backlogged on processing ("loving") what I've gathered. I guess what I'm asking is that if you love collecting, but once the stuff gets home it always immediately ends up, unwashed and unloved, in a box or a bucket or dumped in a pile (NOT for decoration) until you die and someone else comes along to clean up after you, THEN please consider collecting less, or at least passing on most of it sooner, to people who want it more than you do. Now, putting it that way, is that objectionable? Thanks, Alan From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Dec 14 18:32:24 2006 From: geenet at centurytel.net (geenet@centurytel.net) Date: Thu Dec 14 18:32:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wimpee's weather report References: <457e3b53.f0.38d6.7705@iglide.net> Message-ID: <001b01c71ff1$41be04e0$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> hee hee hee... It's still unusually warm and humid down here. Almost turned the AC on just to dry out. But then we're used to Christmas in SHORTS! We have a small rockhounding excursion planned with the grandkids after Christmas. Going to take them to some exposed areas of the Selma Chalk and let them find fossils. We have a true budding rockpup in our 8 year old grandson. He picks up rocks everywhere he goes and save them for us to examine. Driving his mother nuts.....LOL....GRANDPARENT'S revenge on their kids. Give THEIR kids Jumbo boxes of Leggos and Match Stick cars....or turn their kids into rockhounds. ;-) Jeanette From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Dec 14 19:27:09 2006 From: geenet at centurytel.net (geenet@centurytel.net) Date: Thu Dec 14 19:27:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding weather. References: <45815576.1c0.37bf.6762@iglide.net> Message-ID: <008501c71ff8$e7cd2440$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Look, when you live in a Rockhounder's Paradise like UTAH, if the weather didn't make you come inside for a spell, you'd kill yourself rockhounding all the time. Unlike down here, where the weather is beautiful, but we don't have an overbundance of rocks, minerals, and such. While you're snowbound, you can organize your collections, or work on your Genie. At least you don't have to cut grass 9 months of the year. And somebody calls you to let you romp thru tons of gemstones in their yard........in the snow......gee whiz. Jeanette "The weather is here, I wish you were beautiful..." Jimmy Buffett - Poet Laureate of the Gulf Coast From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 14 19:45:47 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 14 19:32:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Lights Message-ID: <45821738.700A@Tomaszewski.net> The Earth took a direct hit from the Sun this afternoon (1 pm EST), receiving a coronal mass ejection from a solar flare on the 13th. The Earth collected a bit of the Sun. This has caused a geomagnetic storm and fired up the Aurora Borealis. It has been visible in southwest Michigan for the past hour or so, but clouds have now moved into my area. I could even see it thru the city light pollution. There was another major solar storm today, so the geomagnetic storm that started yesterday will probably last another 3 to 5 days. Before going to bed the next few evenings, you might want to check out the northern sky. When it is too dark to look for sparkley minerals on the ground, you should take time to see the sparklies in the sky, and remember that the minerals we collect are all stardust. I had a rare chance tonight to see Geology on a global scale happening from my own backyard. Kreigh From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Dec 14 19:59:53 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:02:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Lights References: <45821738.700A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005a01c71ffd$82402fa0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Julie has been tracking these events at the NOAA Space Environment Center www.sec.noaa.gov . We're also experiencing the Geminid meteor shower. Though it peaked last night it's still supposed to be a pretty good show with stuff exploding, fireballs, etc. Unfortunately we're currently socked-in here in northern Idaho but at least the 2 feet of snow is melting off in the rain. And we're expecting 70mph winds tonight so maybe we'll get to see some flying trees. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > The Earth took a direct hit from the Sun this afternoon From webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com Thu Dec 14 20:30:29 2006 From: webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com (Sal) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:29:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE:Avi/laughlin rock show Message-ID: <458224E5.2010208@rockhoundstation1.com> Hi Tina, This is no joke that you can't get through to the website. Mostly what is happening is that the website owner has signed up on free website hosting services who will advertise on their sites for their own purposes, but the website owner is powerless against them unless they know how to build a site on their own. Some of these services will actually hijack the site completely. It happened to one of the members of my site so we are preparing to "fix" the problem. RHS1 is devising means that anyone with a rockhound related site will be able to join our network and free themselves of these scams and scammers for good. No one should have to deal with thieves just to have a website that others in their community will enjoy, learn, or profit from. Nuff said. If you or anyone you know has a rockhound website that has been hijacked, let them know to contact us and we will help them put it right. We are work night and day for our community. Sal -- Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com From rocknate at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 20:59:02 2006 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:59:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wanted: Information about Col. Clarence M. Jenni Message-ID: The Boston Mineral Club holds its annual specimen auction in January of each year and we solicit donations from a wide variety of people and institutions. This year we are fortunate to have received about 25 flats of raw material from a professor at Harvard. By raw I mean the kind of material you or I would bring home from a fieldtrip, i.e.: big chunks of rock with small vugs here and there. The difference is that except for about 5 flats of old time Crestmore Quarry (CA) material and one flat of NJ zeolites most of the flats are minerals from various Nevada localities like Majuba Hill and Goodsprings, NV. These were collected in the 1950 to 1960 timeframe by Col. Clarence M. Jenni who was apparently a well-known collector of that time period. There is also a small box full of minium nuggets (lead oxide) that he apparently collected in Mexico at a processing plant of some sort. These are purported to be lead nuggets that oxidized on a stockpile somewhere. Interesting stuff! A Google search turned up references to several articles written by Col. C. M. Jenni in the 50s and early 60s in Rocks and Minerals. I also found a reference to a 2-page article about him in the Min. Record Vol 2. no 5 (naturally one of the few issues that I don't own). I would like to find out as much as possible about him and include a brief writeup in each flat as a way of adding to the interest (and hopefully raising more money for the club). I'd also like to try to narrow down the possibilities of which mine the material may have come from. There are a lot of mines in the Goodsprings district of Nevada (see mindat for a list) so it may be hopeless unless I find a reference indicating that he specialized in a particular locality. If anyone can scan the article for me from MR I would appreciate it. Also if there are any other references that you can refer me to that give accounts of his collecting activities that would also be appreciated. I'll keep searchng as well but wanted to solicit the collective knowledge of the group. I have no idea whether or not there is anything really worthwhile in these flats but I intend to have a wonderful time between Christmas and New Year's day sorting them out for the auction! Thanks in advance for any references you can provide. best regards, Nate Martin From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Fri Dec 15 08:01:07 2006 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Fri Dec 15 08:01:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] WARNING RE SUV SKID PLATES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <909740.41204.qm@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Hey John, I wouldn't take any guilt away from this incident because all kinds of things get stuck on cars just driving around town. But it sure is a good story and helps remind of a good trip. BTW, hope it wasn't a keeper thunderegg, lol! Dean --- John Stockwell wrote: > Today I had my 2005 Jeep Liberty serviced. Vehicle performs well in > back country. I was shocked to be told by my long time mechanic about > something that had happened back in October. I'd been in the Black > Rock Range in Nevada, took the Jeep in for servicing upon my return > and before a long trip to New Mexico. Turns out, and I only found > this out today, that when they removed the skid plates for 15,000 > mile service, rock fell out onto the head of an employee, who missed > 3 weeks of work over a neck injury; fortunately workers' comp was > available. > > Despite driving over lots of rock that scaped the plates they were > hardly blemished. > > But seems it would be a good idea in future to warn service people of > such a possibility. > > Anybody else ever have this happen? > > John > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Fri Dec 15 16:52:05 2006 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Fri Dec 15 16:52:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Lights Message-ID: Oooooh, you're getting what we had here in PortlandThursday!..And today, a surprise snow dusting! It was about 58 last night during the really bad wind and is now only 37! Wind in Portland peaked just above 60 mph. Stay safe & batten down the hatches! Unfortunately we're currently socked-in here in northern Idaho but at least the 2 feet of snow is melting off in the rain. And we're expecting 70mph winds tonight so maybe we'll get to see some flying trees. From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Dec 16 09:50:05 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Dec 16 09:50:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Lights In-Reply-To: <45821738.700A@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45821738.700A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061216074259.03bb2698@mail.hawaiiantel.net> There are great pictures at: http://spaceweather.com/ Click on the blue word "gallery." Then you can click to enlarge the photos there, and on "more" under "images" for additional photos. Aloha, Kitty At 05:45 PM 12/14/2006, you wrote: >The Earth took a direct hit from the Sun this afternoon (1 pm EST), >receiving a coronal mass ejection from a solar flare on the 13th. The >Earth collected a bit of the Sun. > >This has caused a geomagnetic storm and fired up the Aurora Borealis. It >has been visible in southwest Michigan for the past hour or so, but >clouds have now moved into my area. I could even see it thru the city >light pollution. > >There was another major solar storm today, so the geomagnetic storm that >started yesterday will probably last another 3 to 5 days. Before going >to bed the next few evenings, you might want to check out the northern >sky. > >When it is too dark to look for sparkley minerals on the ground, you >should take time to see the sparklies in the sky, and remember that the >minerals we collect are all stardust. I had a rare chance tonight to see >Geology on a global scale happening from my own backyard. > >Kreigh From albalmer at att.net Sat Dec 16 13:50:43 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sat Dec 16 13:50:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find - windshieldite? Message-ID: <2bq8o25gk8hjsr4dhmal179j4d10nftie4@4ax.com> I found something curious in a wash outside a mine north of Phoenix. It appears to be tinted glass, and is over an inch thick. Could this be pieces of glass from the windshield of a mining machine? -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 16 17:25:47 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 16 17:25:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northern Lights Message-ID: Never seen 'em. Sure hope to someday. Nice pics on the link. Mahalo! Glenn From: kahako@hawaiiantel.net Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Northern Lights There are great pictures at: http://spaceweather.com/ Click on the blue word "gallery." Then you can click to enlarge the photos there, and on "more" under "images" for additional photos. Aloha, Kitty _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.? Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/purchase/trial.aspx?sc_cid=wl_wlmail --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Dec 16 19:12:35 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 16 19:12:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find - windshieldite? References: <2bq8o25gk8hjsr4dhmal179j4d10nftie4@4ax.com> Message-ID: <4584B58D.7E9F@Tomaszewski.net> Al, Tempered glass is roughly four times stronger than annealed glass in surviving impact damage (a layered composit of both is even stronger). I think mining equipment requires tempered glass. Thickness is the next factor in strength and impact resistance. Inch thick tempered glass would take a pretty good blow before it broke. All tempered glass tends to break into cubes, often with the whole pane breaking completely. How big are your specimens of windshieldite? If they are over an inch cubes I would tend to agree with your guess. Kreigh Al Balmer wrote: > > I found something curious in a wash outside a mine north of Phoenix. > It appears to be tinted glass, and is over an inch thick. Could this > be pieces of glass from the windshield of a mining machine? > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ From albalmer at att.net Sat Dec 16 22:37:44 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sat Dec 16 22:37:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find - windshieldite? In-Reply-To: <4584B58D.7E9F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <2bq8o25gk8hjsr4dhmal179j4d10nftie4@4ax.com> <4584B58D.7E9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:12:35 -0500, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >Al, > >Tempered glass is roughly four times stronger than annealed glass in >surviving impact damage (a layered composit of both is even stronger). I >think mining equipment requires tempered glass. > >Thickness is the next factor in strength and impact resistance. Inch >thick tempered glass would take a pretty good blow before it broke. All >tempered glass tends to break into cubes, often with the whole pane >breaking completely. > >How big are your specimens of windshieldite? If they are over an inch >cubes I would tend to agree with your guess. The pieces I picked up were roughly 6x3 inches. One has a right angle curve molded into it. There were bigger pieces there. > >Kreigh > > > > >Al Balmer wrote: >> >> I found something curious in a wash outside a mine north of Phoenix. >> It appears to be tinted glass, and is over an inch thick. Could this >> be pieces of glass from the windshield of a mining machine? >> >> -- >> Al Balmer >> Sun City, AZ -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Dec 18 06:59:38 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Dec 18 06:59:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock wallpaper References: <7aac8040612080735q27671acay7f807a67358af33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c722b5$2478f400$e7dc2c4b@LarryRush> Andrew Alden (About Geology) has a nice series of rock-types wallpaper images.... http://glclk.about.com/?zi=12/3244 Larry From JHODEL at wvdep.org Mon Dec 18 07:28:02 2006 From: JHODEL at wvdep.org (J.R. Hodel) Date: Mon Dec 18 07:28:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glass strength Message-ID: Hi: I have a glass solarium on the kitchen, to take advantage of what little light there is this time of year. Insulated panes of glass like 30 x 45 inches and an inch thick. You can walk on the sloping roof part of the solarium - it's uncomfortable, because there's nothing holding you up. So glass (a mineral-derived substance) can be really strong. We did replace a 15-year-old solarium last year, and broke one pane dismantling it, and it did shatter into tiny cubes. Inch thick glass on a big loader or euclid would be very, very strong, you would have to have a serious impact to break that, like a hot shot while blasting putting a boulder through it, dropping a big rock off a high-wall, or perhaps rolling the actual machine the window broke from. Oh, yeh, there's a big oak tree beside that corner of the house, and limbs of various sizes are blown out of it every storm, and so far we've never had any damage to the solarium. Now, the roof has had holes punched in it that needed patching. And hail, I know I've mentioned hail last March to people... Keep on Rockin' and Posting, JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Dec 18 09:15:44 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Dec 18 09:15:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! Message-ID: <4586CCC0.9040603@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, We just found out we'll soon be receiving a wonderful present, perhaps not by Christmas or New Years, but soon, of a second fossil species to be named in our honor! As you can likely imagine, both Gloria and I are very excited. This newest soon-to-be-named fossil is another crab, the first species named for us was aesthenognanthus cornishorum. I do not know the new name yet, but will soon. This specimen is a tiny hermit crab I found a couple of years ago still partially enclosed within its snail shell home while splitting sediment blocks at one of our local favorite collecting haunts. I'll update everyone as more details come forth. All the very best, take care, John Happy Holidays Everyone! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From murowchickj at umkc.edu Mon Dec 18 09:25:39 2006 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Mon Dec 18 09:25:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Buying minerals Santa Rosalia In-Reply-To: <001501c722b5$2478f400$e7dc2c4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: I'll be passing through (twice) Santa Rosalia, Baja California Sur the first week in January, and would like any advice on buying mineral specimens there. Are there any dealers I should look for? I'll probably spend only a couple of hundred bucks max, and I'm mainly interested in getting a few nice boleites if possible. Thanks Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Dec 18 18:13:31 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 18 18:06:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! References: <4586CCC0.9040603@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <4587492D.1E85@Tomaszewski.net> I don't know John, the first one makes you 'Crusty' and the second one makes you 'Crabby'. LOL That is _WAY_ _COOL_ ! Congratulations! I hope your Club's Newsletter Editor sends a press release to your local newspaper. Kreigh John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > We just found out we'll soon be receiving a wonderful present, perhaps > not by Christmas or New Years, but soon, of a second fossil species to > be named in our honor! As you can likely imagine, both Gloria and I are > very excited. This newest soon-to-be-named fossil is another crab, the > first species named for us was aesthenognanthus cornishorum. I do not > know the new name yet, but will soon. This specimen is a tiny hermit > crab I found a couple of years ago still partially enclosed within its > snail shell home while splitting sediment blocks at one of our local > favorite collecting haunts. I'll update everyone as more details come > forth. All the very best, take care, > > John > > Happy Holidays Everyone! > From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Dec 18 18:29:28 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Dec 18 18:29:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Real Lava Experiences Message-ID: <000801c72315$82b369f0$1afcf604@TheBlackAdder> ************************ From: Joe Lessard Prometheus Entertainment ************************ I'm writing to inquire about real-life survival stories of volcanologists with molten lava. I work for a production company in Los Angeles California, and we're doing a TV documentary about Star Wars tech for the History Channel. When Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader (a cyborg), it took an unfortunate encounter with lava on the planet Mustafar to make the transformation necessary. I'm looking for documented cases of people who have been exposed to real lava, were injured, and survived so that we can properly annotate a bite we have from one of our expert interviewees who stated such has happened. Any help is very much appreciated. Best regards, Joe Lessard Prometheus Entertainment --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Dec 18 19:30:03 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Dec 18 19:30:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: Real Lava Experiences In-Reply-To: <000801c72315$82b369f0$1afcf604@TheBlackAdder> References: <000801c72315$82b369f0$1afcf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061218172021.03c0e240@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I have two names for you at my office. Will send e-mail addresses off-list tomorrow. Bill At 04:29 PM 12/18/2006, you wrote: >************************ >From: Joe Lessard >Prometheus Entertainment >************************ > >I'm writing to inquire about real-life survival stories of volcanologists >with molten lava. I work for a production company in Los Angeles >California, and we're doing a TV documentary about Star Wars tech for the >History Channel. > >When Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader (a cyborg), it took an >unfortunate encounter with lava on the planet Mustafar to make the >transformation necessary. I'm looking for documented cases of people who >have been exposed to real lava, were injured, and survived so that we can >properly annotate a bite we have from one of our expert interviewees who >stated such has happened. > >Any help is very much appreciated. > >Best regards, > >Joe Lessard >Prometheus Entertainment > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Dec 19 00:48:32 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Dec 19 00:48:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! In-Reply-To: <4586CCC0.9040603@tenforward.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Guys, you're in the books now: TWICE ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens John and Gloria > Cornish > Verzonden: maandag 18 december 2006 18:16 > Aan: Drizzle > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! > > > Hi Everyone, > > We just found out we'll soon be receiving a wonderful present, perhaps > not by Christmas or New Years, but soon, of a second fossil species to > be named in our honor! As you can likely imagine, both Gloria and I are > very excited. This newest soon-to-be-named fossil is another crab, the > first species named for us was aesthenognanthus cornishorum. I do not > know the new name yet, but will soon. This specimen is a tiny hermit > crab I found a couple of years ago still partially enclosed within its > snail shell home while splitting sediment blocks at one of our local > favorite collecting haunts. I'll update everyone as more details come > forth. All the very best, take care, > > John > > Happy Holidays Everyone! > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Dec 19 01:03:35 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Dec 19 01:05:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! References: Message-ID: <00fe01c7234c$96afaa90$0300a8c0@Notebook> Congratulations John! I'm green with envy and glowing red from a soup-hot bath. How festive! John From rockhounds at adelphia.net Tue Dec 19 18:28:49 2006 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Tue Dec 19 18:23:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NASA photos with a song and animation In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20061216074259.03bb2698@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <000b01c723de$98845630$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> This came across the big pond from Australia. Not only is it educational, but it's cute also. Be sure your sound is turned on. Just click once on the hyperlink below. http://dingo.care-mail.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Dec 19 19:17:29 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Dec 19 19:17:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs Message-ID: <002101c723e5$617f63d0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant Colorado about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have information, let me know! http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Dec 19 19:27:55 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Dec 19 19:27:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! In-Reply-To: <00fe01c7234c$96afaa90$0300a8c0@Notebook> References: <00fe01c7234c$96afaa90$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <4588ADBB.30806@tenforward.com> Hi Guys, Thanks so much, we appreciate it. We'll make sure and share the name when we find out ourselves. It's always important to keep in mind the positive influences we as mineral and fossil enthusiasts can bring to science, education, etc. A day outside, a sharp eye, a bit of effort and ya just never know. Reach out, share your discoveries and again, ya just never know what can happen! We're fortunate, those of us who enjoy the field, while discoveries can be and often are made by examining specimens collected by others, over time, what are the potentials we ourselves can explore through our own field pursuits and discoveries! All the very best and Happy Holiday's! John John Siebel wrote: > Congratulations John! > > I'm green with envy and glowing red from a soup-hot bath. How festive! > > John > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Dec 19 19:49:23 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Dec 19 19:49:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! References: <4586CCC0.9040603@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <004001c723e9$db7182f0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I haven't had anything named after me, but I have co-authored a paper that named a crinoid species after my wife! I am co-author of a paper on a another new species of crinoid due out in the January 2007 Journal of Paleontology. So far my discovery site has lead to 9 new crinoid species from a location in Kentucky about 35 minutes from my house. This current specimen was inside a slab of siltstone that had been sitting out beside my garage for a decade. It was exposed when I was trying to remove a very large brachiopod from the slab. All in all, I've donated over 80 crinoid specimens to the Springer Room at the U.S. National Museum. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Drizzle" Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] NEW SPECIES! > Hi Everyone, > > We just found out we'll soon be receiving a wonderful present, perhaps not > by Christmas or New Years, but soon, of a second fossil species to be > named in our honor! As you can likely imagine, both Gloria and I are very > excited. This newest soon-to-be-named fossil is another crab, the first > species named for us was aesthenognanthus cornishorum. I do not know the > new name yet, but will soon. This specimen is a tiny hermit crab I found a > couple of years ago still partially enclosed within its snail shell home > while splitting sediment blocks at one of our local favorite collecting > haunts. I'll update everyone as more details come forth. All the very > best, take care, > > John > > Happy Holidays Everyone! > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com Tue Dec 19 22:19:56 2006 From: jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Tue Dec 19 22:20:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky fossil!! Message-ID: <4588D60C.6080402@jeanniusdesigns.com> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10827-twoheaded-lizard-spied-in-a-fossil.html two headed lizard fossil! Jeanne From paintricks at aol.com Tue Dec 19 23:03:34 2006 From: paintricks at aol.com (paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 19 23:03:47 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs In-Reply-To: <002101c723e5$617f63d0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <002101c723e5$617f63d0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <8C8F21C19B0C646-1330-6513@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Hi there, I live just minutes away from the Florissant area and haven't been there yet. Anyone been there and have some advice about the place? Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: deepskyspy@insightbb.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant Colorado about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have information, let me know! http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Dec 20 07:23:35 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Dec 20 07:23:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky fossil!! In-Reply-To: <4588D60C.6080402@jeanniusdesigns.com> References: <4588D60C.6080402@jeanniusdesigns.com> Message-ID: <45895577.6060904@tenforward.com> Hi Jeanne, Now that is COOL!!!!!! Thanks for sharing! All the very best, John Jeanne Rhodes Moen wrote: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10827-twoheaded-lizard-spied-in-a-fossil.html > > > two headed lizard fossil! > > Jeanne From murowchickj at umkc.edu Wed Dec 20 11:06:45 2006 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Wed Dec 20 11:06:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs In-Reply-To: <002101c723e5$617f63d0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: Alan- I'm not an entomologist, but they look like leafhoppers (Hemiptera: Cicadomorpha: Cicadellidae) to me. Check out http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/~dietrich/Leafhome.html, including the link to leafhopper specialists (http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/~dietrich/workers.html). If my entomologist friends can add anything, I'll pass it on to you. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 12/19/06 9:17 PM, "Alan Goldstein" wrote: > Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant Colorado > about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have > information, let me know! > > http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Dec 20 13:26:32 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Dec 20 13:26:36 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] turquoise, pixie mine Message-ID: I've got some blue/green turquoise from the Pixie -- Landers Co. How much were you looking for? On 12/12/06, Steve & Marilyn wrote: > I am looking for faustite for lapidary purposes or some carico lake (light green) ore even rarer pixie turquoise. anyone out there with any they want to sell? or trade something for? Keep on Rockin Steve > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Dec 20 14:22:20 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Dec 20 14:24:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Huge Gold Chunk References: Message-ID: <00ef01c72485$591335f0$0300a8c0@Notebook> This in the Oregonian today. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1166588727281960.xml&coll=7 John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Dec 20 19:54:43 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 20 19:48:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River Message-ID: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net> There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds in Arkansas. You might want to find a copy. Kreigh From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Dec 20 20:59:04 2006 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Wed Dec 20 20:59:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs In-Reply-To: <8C8F21C19B0C646-1330-6513@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Kevin: Yes! Go! Well, as soon as the snow lets up and the quarry opens. Hopefully, someone else can recommend a good tool for splitting the shale layers. I've tried a number of tools from an Estwing shingle hammer to paint scrapers and putty knives. Look carefully on each split as the insects are usually faint (at least mine are). Visit the museum at the park to get a good idea of what to look for and don't feel like you are digging in a lesser place. The park has many items displayed that come from the quarry, including the birds. I loved visiting that area. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of paintricks@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:04 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs Hi there, I live just minutes away from the Florissant area and haven't been there yet. Anyone been there and have some advice about the place? Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: deepskyspy@insightbb.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant Colorado about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have information, let me know! http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Dec 21 05:03:08 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Dec 21 05:03:14 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs In-Reply-To: <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <8C8F21C19B0C646-1330-6513@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: Well we were there several years ago and the quarry was being run by a couple of 15 year olds. Maybe we just got there at a bad time but they were not running it well. BK On 20 Dec 2006 20:59:04 -0800, Ted Kowalski wrote: > > Kevin: > Yes! Go! Well, as soon as the snow lets up and the quarry opens. > > Hopefully, someone else can recommend a good tool for splitting the shale > layers. I've tried a number of tools from an Estwing shingle hammer to > paint > scrapers and putty knives. Look carefully on each split as the insects are > usually faint (at least mine are). Visit the museum at the park to get a > good idea of what to look for and don't feel like you are digging in a > lesser place. The park has many items displayed that come from the quarry, > including the birds. > > I loved visiting that area. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > paintricks@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:04 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs > > Hi there, > I live just minutes away from the Florissant area and haven't been there > yet. Anyone been there and have some advice about the place? > Thanks, > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: deepskyspy@insightbb.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 9:17 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs > > > Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant > Colorado > > about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have > information, let me know! > > http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Thu Dec 21 07:27:22 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Dec 21 07:27:22 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock Message-ID: <458AA7DA.4010608@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, I've finished my newest paper, one detailing the adventure of crystal mining this year at our Rat's Nest claim near Challis, Idaho. I changed the style of this one a bit and hope you'll find it agreeable. Just click on the link below to be digitally transported to this most recent effort, one I call, Mining In Challis: Working The Rock. All the very best and most sincerely, Happy Holidays! John http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishChallis.html From prgilmore at hotmail.com Thu Dec 21 10:22:27 2006 From: prgilmore at hotmail.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Thu Dec 21 10:22:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky fossil!! In-Reply-To: <45895577.6060904@tenforward.com> Message-ID: I always wondered how the evolutionary tree splits. Paul Gilmore >From: John and Gloria Cornish >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: jeanne@jeannius.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for >rock and gem collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] funky fossil!! >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:23:35 -0800 > >Hi Jeanne, > >Now that is COOL!!!!!! Thanks for sharing! All the very best, > >John > >Jeanne Rhodes Moen wrote: > >>http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10827-twoheaded-lizard-spied-in-a-fossil.html >> >> >>two headed lizard fossil! >> >>Jeanne > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Dec 21 17:09:14 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Dec 21 17:10:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River References: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009701c72565$cc427320$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Is the New Madrid rift mentioned? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River > There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the > Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg > 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your > local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds > in Arkansas. > > You might want to find a copy. > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Dec 21 17:58:42 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Dec 21 17:58:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: holiday specials on mineral picture books, $5 each In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <458B3BD2.6020209@verizon.net> Howdy, Happy holidays to everyone! I have a few coffe-table type picture books. They are all $5 + actual cost of shipping at media mail rate (I expect that to be another $5 or so, including the big envelope). Most of these have my name written on them, sometimes with highlighter in the text, but all the pages are in good condition. Over the years I bought a lot of these types of book, but am keeping the two I like the most. I like all of these, but need to make room on the shelf for more academic materials. I will describe each one. 1) The Collector's Encyclopedia of Rocks and Minerals, by A.F.L. Deeson, 288 pp. Over 1,000 color photos, in an encyclopedia type format, with entries in alphabetical order, in three-column layout with small photos. Definitely a reference, rather than a leisurely read. 2) Minerals and Man, by Cornelius Hurlbut, Jr. (recently deceased), 304 pp. Contains a lot of narrative text as well as large color photos. Covers the 150 principal minerals. Makes good reading as a book. 3) The Illustrated Encyclopedia of the Mineral Kingdom, by Alan Woolley, 240 pp. This is a good all-around book: some nice large color photos, basic info on mineralogy and crystallography for the layman, and some alphabetical listings. Also makes good reading as a book, but has some reference value. 4) Color treasury of Crystals, 64 pp. This is a classic that seems to appear in every old collection I've ever seen. Fewer pages than the others, but some nice big color photos and basic info on crystallography for the layman. Orders received by noon US Pacific Std. Time on Dec. 22 will be shipped that afternoon. Orders received after that will be shipped next week. best to all, Don J. Halterman, Jr. From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 21 18:21:17 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 21 18:20:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River References: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net> <009701c72565$cc427320$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <458B4100.14A5@Tomaszewski.net> Alan, I thought they explained its formation well as it was one of the keys to understanding the geology of the Mississippe Embayment. Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > Is the New Madrid rift mentioned? > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:54 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River > > > There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the > > Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg > > 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your > > local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds > > in Arkansas. > > > > You might want to find a copy. > > > > Kreigh From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Dec 21 19:20:21 2006 From: geenet at centurytel.net (geenet@centurytel.net) Date: Thu Dec 21 19:20:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River References: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003601c72578$1d4f7bc0$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Too bad I just let my subscription run out, didn't have time to read them. Was it the failed rift explanation? Or something new? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River > There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the > Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg > 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your > local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds > in Arkansas. > > You might want to find a copy. > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Dec 21 20:02:26 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Dec 21 20:01:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: holiday specials on mineral picture books (sold) In-Reply-To: <458B3BD2.6020209@verizon.net> References: <458B3BD2.6020209@verizon.net> Message-ID: <458B58D2.7090704@verizon.net> Dear group, All the books have been sold. Thanks for your interest. I will let everyone know if I have more. Best, Don DonH wrote: > > Howdy, > > Happy holidays to everyone! I have a few coffe-table type picture > books. From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Dec 21 20:03:20 2006 From: geenet at centurytel.net (geenet@centurytel.net) Date: Thu Dec 21 20:03:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mississippi embayment References: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net><009701c72565$cc427320$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <458B4100.14A5@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000801c7257e$1f01ff00$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Got so excited about finding the story I sent the link off before I read it. The whole article isn't on the Sci-Am website, just the lead-in.... you have to be a subscriber to read the rest of it. Duh..... Sorry guys.... Jeanette From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Dec 21 21:22:16 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Dec 21 21:21:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River References: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net> <003601c72578$1d4f7bc0$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <458B6B50.125E@Tomaszewski.net> Jeanette, It was the Bermuda Hot Spot. The evidence is quite convincing. Kreigh geenet@centurytel.net wrote: > > Too bad I just let my subscription run out, didn't have time to read them. > Was it the failed rift explanation? > Or something new? > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:54 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River > > > There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the > > Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg > > 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your > > local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds > > in Arkansas. > > > > You might want to find a copy. > > > > Kreigh From vewalden at aol.com Fri Dec 22 03:53:40 2006 From: vewalden at aol.com (vewalden@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 22 03:53:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don's books In-Reply-To: <200612220201.kBM20v46023914@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200612220201.kBM20v46023914@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <8C8F3D6F54210C6-16C8-1826@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com> Don, I might be interested in the books. How can I order them? Thanks Rick -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 22 Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." [Rockhounds-Digest] Today's Topics: 1. Geology of the Mississippi River (Kreigh Tomaszewski) 2. RE: Florissant bugs (Ted Kowalski) 3. Re: Florissant bugs (J Bryan Kramer) 4. Mining In Challis: Working The Rock (John and Gloria Cornish) 5. Re: funky fossil!! (Paul Gilmore) 6. Re: Geology of the Mississippi River (Alan Goldstein) 7. AD: holiday specials on mineral picture books, $5 each (DonH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:54:43 -0500 From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds in Arkansas. You might want to find a copy. Kreigh ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: 20 Dec 2006 20:59:04 -0800 From: "Ted Kowalski" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Kevin: Yes! Go! Well, as soon as the snow lets up and the quarry opens. Hopefully, someone else can recommend a good tool for splitting the shale layers. I've tried a number of tools from an Estwing shingle hammer to paint scrapers and putty knives. Look carefully on each split as the insects are usually faint (at least mine are). Visit the museum at the park to get a good idea of what to look for and don't feel like you are digging in a lesser place. The park has many items displayed that come from the quarry, including the birds. I loved visiting that area. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of paintricks@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:04 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs Hi there, I live just minutes away from the Florissant area and haven't been there yet. Anyone been there and have some advice about the place? Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: deepskyspy@insightbb.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant Colorado about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have information, let me know! http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:03:08 -0500 From: "J Bryan Kramer" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs To: Ted@crystalgems.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well we were there several years ago and the quarry was being run by a couple of 15 year olds. Maybe we just got there at a bad time but they were not running it well. BK On 20 Dec 2006 20:59:04 -0800, Ted Kowalski wrote: > > Kevin: > Yes! Go! Well, as soon as the snow lets up and the quarry opens. > > Hopefully, someone else can recommend a good tool for splitting the shale > layers. I've tried a number of tools from an Estwing shingle hammer to > paint > scrapers and putty knives. Look carefully on each split as the insects are > usually faint (at least mine are). Visit the museum at the park to get a > good idea of what to look for and don't feel like you are digging in a > lesser place. The park has many items displayed that come from the quarry, > including the birds. > > I loved visiting that area. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > paintricks@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:04 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs > > Hi there, > I live just minutes away from the Florissant area and haven't been there > yet. Anyone been there and have some advice about the place? > Thanks, > Kevin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: deepskyspy@insightbb.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 9:17 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs > > > Barry has posted some photos of some bugs I collected in Florissant > Colorado > > about 20 years ago. I would like to get them identified. If you have > information, let me know! > > http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp97.html > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 07:27:22 -0800 From: John and Gloria Cornish Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock To: Drizzle Message-ID: <458AA7DA.4010608@tenforward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi Everyone, I've finished my newest paper, one detailing the adventure of crystal mining this year at our Rat's Nest claim near Challis, Idaho. I changed the style of this one a bit and hope you'll find it agreeable. Just click on the link below to be digitally transported to this most recent effort, one I call, Mining In Challis: Working The Rock. All the very best and most sincerely, Happy Holidays! John http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishChallis.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:22:27 +0000 From: "Paul Gilmore" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] funky fossil!! To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, jeanne@jeannius.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I always wondered how the evolutionary tree splits. Paul Gilmore >From: John and Gloria Cornish >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: jeanne@jeannius.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for >rock and gem collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] funky fossil!! >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:23:35 -0800 > >Hi Jeanne, > >Now that is COOL!!!!!! Thanks for sharing! All the very best, > >John > >Jeanne Rhodes Moen wrote: > >>http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10827-twoheaded-lizard-spied-in-a-fossil.html >> >> >>two headed lizard fossil! >> >>Jeanne > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:09:14 -0500 From: "Alan Goldstein" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <009701c72565$cc427320$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Is the New Madrid rift mentioned? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River > There is a most interesting article on the geological origins of the > Mississippi River in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American (pg > 76) that just went on sale. You will probably be able to find it at your > local library in a few days. It even explains why you can find diamonds > in Arkansas. > > You might want to find a copy. > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:58:42 -0800 From: DonH Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: holiday specials on mineral picture books, $5 each To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <458B3BD2.6020209@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Howdy, Happy holidays to everyone! I have a few coffe-table type picture books. They are all $5 + actual cost of shipping at media mail rate (I expect that to be another $5 or so, including the big envelope). Most of these have my name written on them, sometimes with highlighter in the text, but all the pages are in good condition. Over the years I bought a lot of these types of book, but am keeping the two I like the most. I like all of these, but need to make room on the shelf for more academic materials. I will describe each one. 1) The Collector's Encyclopedia of Rocks and Minerals, by A.F.L. Deeson, 288 pp. Over 1,000 color photos, in an encyclopedia type format, with entries in alphabetical order, in three-column layout with small photos. Definitely a reference, rather than a leisurely read. 2) Minerals and Man, by Cornelius Hurlbut, Jr. (recently deceased), 304 pp. Contains a lot of narrative text as well as large color photos. Covers the 150 principal minerals. Makes good reading as a book. 3) The Illustrated Encyclopedia of the Mineral Kingdom, by Alan Woolley, 240 pp. This is a good all-around book: some nice large color photos, basic info on mineralogy and crystallography for the layman, and some alphabetical listings. Also makes good reading as a book, but has some reference value. 4) Color treasury of Crystals, 64 pp. This is a classic that seems to appear in every old collection I've ever seen. Fewer pages than the others, but some nice big color photos and basic info on crystallography for the layman. Orders received by noon US Pacific Std. Time on Dec. 22 will be shipped that afternoon. Orders received after that will be shipped next week. best to all, Don J. Halterman, Jr. ------------------------------ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 22 ****************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From vance at sc.rr.com Fri Dec 22 08:27:28 2006 From: vance at sc.rr.com (Vance McCollum) Date: Fri Dec 22 10:03:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil wood I.D. Message-ID: <188a01c725e6$1339a840$af075818@sc.rr.com> I am looking for some particular fossil wood from either Oregon or Washington state, and I have included a link to a photo of the wood. I *think* someone told me it was sycamore, but I am not sure. The piece in the photo seems to be characteristic of this wood, with a horizontal grain (depending on how it is cut, I guess) and then it has peculiar vertical marks or grain that look like apostrophes (for lack of a better description). Can anyone tell me for sure what kind of wood this is? And secondly, does anyone have any for sale? I would be interested in some good slabs or rough, but not a huge amount. And I would like some that has different colors of banding like the one in the photo. I am posting this to several lists, so I apologize in advance for repetitious postings. Thanks in advance. http://stydens.onfinite.com/album/1069599/1069600/ Vance McCollum Earth Relics Jewelry Company http://www.earthrelics.com "Ready-to-wear pendants made from the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" http://www.earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ "Shark tooth necklaces using fossil shark teeth with gold plated roots" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet at centurytel.net Fri Dec 22 10:16:04 2006 From: geenet at centurytel.net (geenet@centurytel.net) Date: Fri Dec 22 10:16:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River References: <458A03ED.1A2E@Tomaszewski.net><003601c72578$1d4f7bc0$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <458B6B50.125E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001701c725f5$3f686550$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Didn't know there was a Burmuda Hot Spot. Might have to go find that issue and read about it. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Geology of the Mississippi River > Jeanette, > > It was the Bermuda Hot Spot. The evidence is quite convincing. > > Kreigh From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 22 12:05:02 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Dec 22 12:04:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil wood I.D. References: <188a01c725e6$1339a840$af075818@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001701c72604$780b0020$387b274b@LarryRush> Vance: You might try Guy De Torrice, crisandguy@newportnet.com www.OregonFossilGuy.com I have dealt with him several times, and found him to be knowledgeable, and trustworthy. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vance McCollum" To: Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil wood I.D. I am looking for some particular fossil wood from either Oregon or Washington state, and I have included a link to a photo of the wood. I *think* someone told me it was sycamore, but I am not sure. The piece in the photo seems to be characteristic of this wood, with a horizontal grain (depending on how it is cut, I guess) and then it has peculiar vertical marks or grain that look like apostrophes (for lack of a better description). Can anyone tell me for sure what kind of wood this is? And secondly, does anyone have any for sale? I would be interested in some good slabs or rough, but not a huge amount. And I would like some that has different colors of banding like the one in the photo. I am posting this to several lists, so I apologize in advance for repetitious postings. Thanks in advance. http://stydens.onfinite.com/album/1069599/1069600/ Vance McCollum Earth Relics Jewelry Company http://www.earthrelics.com "Ready-to-wear pendants made from the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" http://www.earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ "Shark tooth necklaces using fossil shark teeth with gold plated roots" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Dec 22 13:59:17 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Dec 22 13:59:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock Message-ID: Congrats John, For another successful dig and great, very enjoyable, report. You are doing things many of us seem only able to hope to try "someday". Glenn From: j&gcornish@tenforward.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishChallis.html _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Fri Dec 22 15:18:51 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Dec 22 15:18:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil wood I.D. In-Reply-To: <188a01c725e6$1339a840$af075818@sc.rr.com> References: <188a01c725e6$1339a840$af075818@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20061222151516.03d66da0@orerockon.com> It is extremely difficult to identify fossil woods without thin sections. If the species was called "sycamore" then the locality is likely the Beveal Farm outside Sweet Home, since some of the wood there was sycamore. At 08:27 AM 12/22/2006, you wrote: >I am looking for some particular fossil wood from either Oregon or >Washington state, and I have included a link to a photo of the wood. >I *think* someone told me it was sycamore, but I am not sure. The >piece in the photo seems to be characteristic of this wood, with a >horizontal grain (depending on how it is cut, I guess) and then it >has peculiar vertical marks or grain that look like apostrophes (for >lack of a better description). Can anyone tell me for sure what kind >of wood this is? And secondly, does anyone have any for sale? I >would be interested in some good slabs or rough, but not a huge >amount. And I would like some that has different colors of banding >like the one in the photo. I am posting this to several lists, so I >apologize in advance for repetitious postings. Thanks in advance. > >http://stydens.onfinite.com/album/1069599/1069600/ > >Vance McCollum >Earth Relics Jewelry Company >http://www.earthrelics.com >"Ready-to-wear pendants made from > the finest agates, jaspers and fossils" >http://www.earthrelics.com/sharkteeth/ >"Shark tooth necklaces using fossil >shark teeth with gold plated roots" > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 15:33:06 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Dec 22 15:33:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was a great report too, thanks for posting it. BK On 12/22/06, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Congrats John, > > For another successful dig and great, very enjoyable, report. > > You are doing things many of us seem only able to hope to try "someday". > Glenn > > > > > From: j&gcornish@tenforward.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: > Working The Rock > http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishChallis.html > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Dec 22 15:38:03 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Dec 22 15:39:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock References: <458AA7DA.4010608@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <017301c72622$40fc5250$0300a8c0@Notebook> John, Thanks again for another fine vicarious rock whacking adventure! You brightened an otherwise cold, bleak day up here. Happy Holidays to all! John Siebel Santa, Idaho (Not really that far from Challis) :-) From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 19:44:20 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Dec 22 19:44:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] More mine bacteria Message-ID: Thought this might be of interest: BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 20:23:14 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Dec 22 20:23:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] More mine bacteria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/22/06, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Thought this might be of interest: > > > > BK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- That was very nteresting. After living near Iron Mountain Mine (near Redding, Shasta Co, CA) for about 35 years, it's nice to see something GOOD coming out of it. The mining was done a long time in the past but different companies kept title to it until the environmental cost got to high. I think the last company went bankrupt because they were stuck with the clean up cost for a mine that had not been productive for the last 60 or 70 years. At least knowledge is coming out of the mine now. A few years ago heavy rains caused runoff that killed salmon fry downstream. Toxic stuff in those old mines and the profit from mining was spent a century in the past. Grant Johnston, Cico, CA From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Dec 22 22:46:07 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Dec 22 22:46:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] geologic names survey Message-ID: Dear Rockhounds friends, Back in November, just before Thanksgiving, I sent out my informal survey on, "What do you think are the best generally known geologic formation names in the U.S. and in the rest of the world?". I received a total of 176 responses to this, after sending it to various groups, of which 32 replies were from the Rockhounds listserv. I'll follow this up with a longer report with some interesting comments about the kinds of responses I received, but below is a summary of the results. You'll see that the "most voted for" U.S. rock unit was the Morrison Formation, and internationally, the Burgess Shale (of British Columbia; just nosing out the Old Red Sandstone, of England). For the record, among the responses from rockhounds@drizzle.com, the leading choices were the same, Morrison (11 out of 32 responding) and Burgess Shale (6 out of 25). Best wishes to all for the holidays, Pete Modreski, USGS, Denver CO =================================================================== Total responses (5 different groups) U.S. formation 176 elsewhere in the world 139 Total votes out of 176, formations within U.S.: Morrison Formation 37 Navajo Sandstone 12 ?Grand Canyon? ll (including 1 vote for Grand Canyon Supergroup) Dakota Sandstone 9 Devils Tower 7 Vishnu Schist 6 Total votes out of 139, formations elsewhere in the world: Burgess Shale 27 Old Red Sandstone 25 Dover Chalk 14 Ayers Rock (Uluru) 9 Solenhofen Limestone 9 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 05:46:05 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 23 05:46:13 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] More mine bacteria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was wondering if you killed off the bacteria would it break this acidification cycle. BK On 12/22/06, Grant Johnston wrote: > > On 12/22/06, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Thought this might be of interest: > > > > > > > > BK > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > That was very nteresting. After living near Iron Mountain Mine (near > Redding, Shasta Co, CA) for about 35 years, it's nice to see something > GOOD coming out of it. > > The mining was done a long time in the past but different companies > kept title to it until the environmental cost got to high. I think the > last company went bankrupt because they were stuck with the clean up > cost for a mine that had not been productive for the last 60 or 70 > years. At least knowledge is coming out of the mine now. > > A few years ago heavy rains caused runoff that killed salmon fry > downstream. Toxic stuff in those old mines and the profit from mining > was spent a century in the past. > > Grant Johnston, Cico, CA > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jerrybs at frii.com Sat Dec 23 05:55:32 2006 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sat Dec 23 06:01:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs In-Reply-To: <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <8C8F21C19B0C646-1330-6513@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061223055233.06781ad0@frii.com> Use a single edge razor blade to split the shale. Look for one with a thick blade so it won't flex. Jerry WA At 08:59 PM 12/20/06, you wrote: >Kevin: >Yes! Go! Well, as soon as the snow lets up and the quarry opens. > >Hopefully, someone else can recommend a good tool for splitting the shale >layers. I've tried a number of tools from an Estwing shingle hammer to paint >scrapers and putty knives. Look carefully on each split as the insects are >usually faint (at least mine are). Visit the museum at the park to get a >good idea of what to look for and don't feel like you are digging in a >lesser place. The park has many items displayed that come from the quarry, >including the birds. > >I loved visiting that area. > >Ted Kowalski >Fredericksburg, VA USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/598 - Release Date: 12/22/06 From Vewalden at aol.com Sat Dec 23 07:06:50 2006 From: Vewalden at aol.com (Vewalden@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 23 07:06:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books Message-ID: All, Sure hated missing out on those books. I am just trying to find different things to read concerning geology, rocks and minerals in general. Any suggestions? Just got on this reading kick again after all these years and even all that chemistry junk is making sense. Must be something wrong with me. :) Thanks any books, magazines or any other suggestions would be appreciated. Hope you all have a great holiday and be careful. Rick --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 07:36:28 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 23 07:36:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you haven't read John McPhee I really recommend Annals of the Former World, thats a compilation of a half dozen of so of his books which trace the geology of the US by following I-80 from coast to coast. He picks a couple of geologists to highlight in each book and you'll get a great feel for the different specialties by the time you get to the end. He does favor field geologists. BK On 12/23/06, Vewalden@aol.com wrote: > > All, > > Sure hated missing out on those books. I am just trying to find different > things to read concerning geology, rocks and minerals in general. Any > suggestions? Just got on this reading kick again after all these years and > even all > that chemistry junk is making sense. Must be something wrong with me. :) > Thanks any books, magazines or any other suggestions would be appreciated. > Hope > you all have a great holiday and be careful. > > Rick > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Dec 23 07:37:16 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 23 07:37:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh the Amazon link, noy only is a great book but it's cheap too: < http://www.amazon.com/Annals-Former-World-John-McPhee/dp/0374518734/sr=1-1/qid=1166887976/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-1237958-4379818?ie=UTF8&s=books > BK On 12/23/06, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > If you haven't read John McPhee I really recommend Annals of the Former > World, thats a compilation of a half dozen of so of his books which trace > the geology of the US by following I-80 from coast to coast. > > He picks a couple of geologists to highlight in each book and you'll get a > great feel for the different specialties by the time you get to the end. He > does favor field geologists. > > BK > > On 12/23/06, Vewalden@aol.com wrote: > > > > All, > > > > Sure hated missing out on those books. I am just trying to > > find different > > things to read concerning geology, rocks and minerals in general. Any > > suggestions? Just got on this reading kick again after all these years > > and even all > > that chemistry junk is making sense. Must be something wrong with me. :) > > Thanks any books, magazines or any other suggestions would be > > appreciated. Hope > > you all have a great holiday and be careful. > > > > Rick > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Sat Dec 23 20:47:19 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sat Dec 23 20:47:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Recent Mt. Etna Photos Message-ID: <002901c72716$990fc5e0$8cf8f604@TheBlackAdder> *********************** From: Thomas Reichart *********************** If you or your collegues are interested in some pictures of the recent eruption of Mt. Etna in the beginning of December you can find some pictures on my flickr account: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomasreichart/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Sat Dec 23 21:04:35 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sat Dec 23 21:04:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kamchatka & Kurile Volcanic Activity / Info Release 61-06 Message-ID: <004d01c72719$0214c610$8cf8f604@TheBlackAdder> ********************************* Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanic Activity INFORMATION RELEASE 61-06 Sunday, December 24, 2006, 14:40 KDT (02:40 UTC) From: Olga A. Girina ********************************* BEZYMIANNY VOLCANO: 55o58'N, 160o36'E; Elevation 2,895 m CURRENT LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: RED PREVIOUS LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: ORANGE Seismic activity significantly increased. Series of ash explosions and ash avalanches began from 23:52 UTC on December 23. Ash plumes rose up to 6.0 km (19,700 ft) ASL and extended to the north-east from the volcano. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE CONTACT: Olga Girina, KVERT, IVS FED RAS E-mail: girina@kscnet.ru Tel. (41522) 58627 Irina Nuzhdina, KVERT, KB GS RAS E-mail: ssl@emsd.iks.ru Tel. (41522) 59523 Tom Murray, Scientist-in-Charge, AVO E-mail: tlmurray@usgs.gov Tel. 907-786-7497 The Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT) is a non-commercial cooperative program of the Alaska Volcano Observatory (AVO, USA), the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (IVS) FED RAS and the Kamchatkan Branch of Geophysical Service(KB GS) RAS (Russia). KVERT staff is available in the office from 8:30 AM till 6:00 PM (KST or KDT) and by phone during the evenings. KVERT uses daily satellite imagery, information from remote scientific observation stations, real-time seismic data for 10 volcanoes, and other information to monitor activity at Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanoes. The official web-page of KVERT (the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology FED RAS): http://www.ivs.kscnet/ivs/kvert/index.html Archive of daily information KB GS RAS: ftp://emsd.iks.ru/pub/DATA/RTS/Volcanoes --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sun Dec 24 08:20:13 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Dec 24 08:22:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <458EA8BD.9030201@tenforward.com> Hi Glenn, Bryan and John (and the Quiet Masses), Thanks much for your comments guys, they are very much appreciated. For me, weekend digging was fine and dandy, but it left me wanting more! Too much time was lost doing other things, important-to-life things, but in the end, still, other things. This left me quite dissatisfied. Realizing this, I next began trying to find ways to "turn up the volume" on my collecting! Eventually, this led to the opportunity to work with Lanny out at his just found Rat's Nest claim in Idaho, and later, to take over and purchase this claim myself. I've very much enjoyed (for the most part!!!) the majority of the experiences that this path has placed before me and things like being able to attend the big shows of Tucson and Denver, heck, I was living the dream now! And it's hard work and it's challenging and I'm so very happy I'm here. I get to live my passion and even get to share it with folks during my talks (to over 13,000 people now!) and when I write my papers. It was a big step, a scary step in some ways, but when I looked at all the security in being someone else's employee, the thought of getting out there and digging a rock seemed not such a bad risk after all! It's worked for me thus far and I hope to continue this adventure for years and years to come. Passion is a wonderful thing, an inspiring thing, a good thing... let your passions let you share a smile! All the very best Everyone and I'll talk to you again soon. I'll need to be compiling this years Collecting Statistics and will soon share these in my next paper. All the very best and Happy Holidays! John Glenn Wimpee wrote: >Congrats John, > >For another successful dig and great, very enjoyable, report. > >You are doing things many of us seem only able to hope to try "someday". >Glenn > > > > > From: j&gcornish@tenforward.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Mining In Challis: Working The Rock > http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishChallis.html >_________________________________________________________________ >Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. >www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From kadok at infowest.com Sun Dec 24 09:19:58 2006 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sun Dec 24 09:19:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kamchatka & Kurile Volcanic Activity / Info Release61-06 In-Reply-To: <004d01c72719$0214c610$8cf8f604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <001201c7277f$bcd08320$0200a8c0@kadok> Looks interesting, but the links don't work. Margaret Subject: [Rockhounds] Kamchatka & Kurile Volcanic Activity / Info Release61-06 ********************************* Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanic Activity INFORMATION RELEASE 61-06 Sunday, December 24, 2006, 14:40 KDT (02:40 UTC) From: Olga A. Girina ********************************* BEZYMIANNY VOLCANO: 55o58'N, 160o36'E; Elevation 2,895 m CURRENT LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: RED PREVIOUS LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: ORANGE Seismic activity significantly increased. Series of ash explosions and ash avalanches began from 23:52 UTC on December 23. Ash plumes rose up to 6.0 km (19,700 ft) ASL and extended to the north-east from the volcano. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE CONTACT: Olga Girina, KVERT, IVS FED RAS E-mail: girina@kscnet.ru Tel. (41522) 58627 Irina Nuzhdina, KVERT, KB GS RAS E-mail: ssl@emsd.iks.ru Tel. (41522) 59523 Tom Murray, Scientist-in-Charge, AVO E-mail: tlmurray@usgs.gov Tel. 907-786-7497 The Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT) is a non-commercial cooperative program of the Alaska Volcano Observatory (AVO, USA), the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (IVS) FED RAS and the Kamchatkan Branch of Geophysical Service(KB GS) RAS (Russia). KVERT staff is available in the office from 8:30 AM till 6:00 PM (KST or KDT) and by phone during the evenings. KVERT uses daily satellite imagery, information from remote scientific observation stations, real-time seismic data for 10 volcanoes, and other information to monitor activity at Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanoes. The official web-page of KVERT (the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology FED RAS): http://www.ivs.kscnet/ivs/kvert/index.html Archive of daily information KB GS RAS: ftp://emsd.iks.ru/pub/DATA/RTS/Volcanoes --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rocknate at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 10:07:12 2006 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Sun Dec 24 10:07:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kamchatka & Kurile Volcanic Activity / Info Release61-06 In-Reply-To: <001201c7277f$bcd08320$0200a8c0@kadok> References: <004d01c72719$0214c610$8cf8f604@TheBlackAdder> <001201c7277f$bcd08320$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: Here are some links that worked for me. http://www.kscnet.ru/ivs/kvert/updates.shtml Satelite images (most recent from 12/23): http://www.kscnet.ru/ivs/kvert/satellite/modis/ If you don't read Russian just look for the date code embedded in the file names e.g.: MOD021KM.A0612230012g.jpg taken on 12/23/06 On 12/24/06, Margaret Malm wrote: > Looks interesting, but the links don't work. > Margaret > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Kamchatka & Kurile Volcanic Activity / Info > Release61-06 > > > ********************************* > Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanic Activity > INFORMATION RELEASE 61-06 > Sunday, December 24, 2006, 14:40 KDT (02:40 UTC) > From: Olga A. Girina > ********************************* > > BEZYMIANNY VOLCANO: 55o58'N, 160o36'E; Elevation 2,895 m > CURRENT LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: RED > PREVIOUS LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: ORANGE > > Seismic activity significantly increased. Series of ash explosions and ash > avalanches began from 23:52 UTC on December 23. Ash plumes rose up to 6.0km > > (19,700 ft) ASL and extended to the north-east from the volcano. > > IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE CONTACT: > > Olga Girina, KVERT, IVS FED RAS > E-mail: girina@kscnet.ru > Tel. (41522) 58627 > > Irina Nuzhdina, KVERT, KB GS RAS > E-mail: ssl@emsd.iks.ru > Tel. (41522) 59523 > > Tom Murray, Scientist-in-Charge, AVO > E-mail: tlmurray@usgs.gov > Tel. 907-786-7497 > > The Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT) is a non-commercial > cooperative program of the Alaska Volcano Observatory (AVO, USA), the > Institute > of Volcanology and Seismology (IVS) FED RAS and the Kamchatkan Branch of > Geophysical Service(KB GS) RAS (Russia). KVERT staff is available in the > office > from 8:30 AM till 6:00 PM (KST or KDT) and by phone during the evenings. > KVERT > uses daily satellite imagery, information from remote scientific observation > > stations, real-time seismic data for 10 volcanoes, and other information to > monitor activity at Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanoes. > > The official web-page of KVERT (the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology > FED > RAS): http://www.ivs.kscnet/ivs/kvert/index.html > Archive of daily information KB GS RAS: > ftp://emsd.iks.ru/pub/DATA/RTS/Volcanoes > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 12:17:21 2006 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Sun Dec 24 12:17:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Season's Greetings Message-ID: The list is pretty quiet right now so I hope you won't mind if I stray a bit off topic to wish each and every one of you the blessings of this holiday season. No matter what your faith or creed (or lack thereof) I wish you some quiet time to savor the amazing gift of life that we have each been given. In the language of the faith that I try to live I wish you a Merry Christmas! But feel free to translate the good will that for me is expressed in that greeting to whatever phrase and language is meaningful to you. This includes "Rock On !!" :-) Nate Martin Lexington, MA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Dec 24 15:10:56 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Dec 24 15:10:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Merry Christmas to all where ever you are Message-ID: Ges?ende Kersfees Feliz Navidad y Pr?spero A?o Nuevo Feliz Natal Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar! or Zalig Kerstfeast Joyeux Noel Froehliche Weihnachten Nollaig Shona Dhuit Wesolych Swiat Bozego Narodzenia Pozdrevlyayu s prazdnikom Rozhdestva is Novim Godom Nadolig Llawen And Merry Christmas and Happy Hanuka to all. BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Dec 24 16:08:53 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Dec 24 16:08:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Explosive Eruption of Bezymianny Volcano Message-ID: <002d01c727b8$ddd92610$b3fbf604@TheBlackAdder> ********************************** Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanic Activity INFORMATION RELEASE 62-06 Sunday, December 24, 2006, 23:10 KDT (11:10 UTC) From: Olga A. Girina ********************************** BEZYMIANNY VOLCANO: 55o58'N, 160o36'E; Elevation 2,895 m CURRENT LEVEL OF CONCERN COLOR CODE: RED A paroxysmal explosive eruption of the volcano began at 09:17 UTC on December 24 and continues at present. Large eruptive column rose up to ~ 10.0 km (32,800 ft) ASL and was transformed to big umbrella cloud. Ash plumes extended to the north-east from the volcano. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE CONTACT: Olga Girina, KVERT, IVS FED RAS E-mail: girina@kscnet.ru Tel. (41522) 58627 Sergey Senyukov, KVERT, KB GS RAS E-mail: ssl@emsd.iks.ru Tel. (41522) 59523 Tom Murray, Scientist-in-Charge, AVO E-mail: tlmurray@usgs.gov Tel. 907-786-7497 The Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT) is a non-commercial cooperative program of the Alaska Volcano Observatory (AVO, USA), the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (IVS) FED RAS and the Kamchatkan Branch of Geophysical Service(KB GS) RAS (Russia). KVERT staff is available in the office from 8:30 AM till 6:00 PM (KST or KDT) and by phone during the evenings. KVERT uses daily satellite imagery, information from remote scientific observation stations, real-time seismic data for 10 volcanoes, and other information to monitor activity at Kamchatkan and Northern Kurile Volcanoes. The official web-page of KVERT (the Institute of Volcanology and Seismology FED RAS): http://www.ivs.kscnet/ivs/kvert/index.html Archive of daily information KB GS RAS: ftp://emsd.iks.ru/pub/DATA/RTS/Volcanoes --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jerrybs at frii.com Sun Dec 24 17:47:50 2006 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sun Dec 24 17:53:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florissant bugs In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061223055233.06781ad0@frii.com> References: <8C8F21C19B0C646-1330-6513@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> <00c901c724bc$90b2b170$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> <7.0.1.0.0.20061223055233.06781ad0@frii.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061224174706.0452b7b0@frii.com> Use a single edge razor blade to split the shale. Look for one with a thick blade so it won't flex. Jerry WA At 08:59 PM 12/20/06, you wrote: Kevin: Yes! Go! Well, as soon as the snow lets up and the quarry opens. Hopefully, someone else can recommend a good tool for splitting the shale layers. I've tried a number of tools from an Estwing shingle hammer to paint scrapers and putty knives. Look carefully on each split as the insects are usually faint (at least mine are). Visit the museum at the park to get a good idea of what to look for and don't feel like you are digging in a lesser place. The park has many items displayed that come from the quarry, including the birds. I loved visiting that area. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/601 - Release Date: 12/24/06 From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Dec 25 18:49:37 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Dec 25 18:49:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock vs land ownership in KY Message-ID: <002401c72898$7c0a2c50$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> A month or two back there was some discussion about Tennessee rock (Crab Orchard Stone) and whether someone who has mineral rights has the legal right to remove it from property where they do not own surface rights. In Kentucky, that issue was resolved this week. A quarry in Livingston Co., KY was recently opened when the company acquired mineral rights. They did not own the land. They lost in court. Limestone is not considered a mineral, it is a rock. Therefore the ownership of the limestone and soil on and under the land belongs to the person who owns the surface. Coal, zinc, fluorite, etc. are not affected by this ruling. I suspect sandstone and shale would be consider a rock, too. A friend showed me this quarry last April. I don't remember him saying anything about a "custody battle," although he may have mentioned it. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Dec 25 20:52:51 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 25 20:52:44 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] I got rocks for Christmas Message-ID: <4590AA93.A33@Tomaszewski.net> My oldest daughter and her husband went to his family farm and picked through the rockpile for the most interesting specimens. They gave me an outstanding 100 lb glacial erratic of basalt/greenstone, laced with veins of quartz. Its going into the landscape for now, but I may have to slice and cut some of this rock. I got a gift certificate under the tree, and found a big box near the back door. Under the tree I also found a beautiful, fuzzy, minature, natrolite specimen, and a small cabinet pyrolusite with crystals over 2cm long. BTW, the tree has crystal specimens hanging on it as ornaments. I hope your Christmas, or Holiday Season, has been as joyful as mine; rocks make great gifts. Kreigh P.S., My wife got some rocks for Christmas too, but they were a bit more polished than mine. From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Dec 25 21:00:05 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Dec 25 20:59:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Agate name site References: <58702C5E-49A6-11D9-8F0B-000A95D8C7A8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4590AC45.3082@Tomaszewski.net> John, This is Roger Pabian's legacy, and a great web resource (with pictures of all the different varieties if you find the whole website). You should get his new book on Agates (fair disclosure - satisfied customer). Kreigh John Joldersma wrote: > > I googled a name for a jasper on eBay I had never heard of and was led > to a fantastic site. > http://csd.unl.edu/agates/agatelexiconletter.asp This is the Agate > Lexicon of the University of Nebraska, Lincoln. A list of over 3000 > names for agate, jasper, opal and other amorphous cryptocrystalline or > spherulitic forms of gem Silicon Dioxide. If you go back to the home > page http://csd.unl.edu/default.asp you will find an agate > bibliography, an agate page and an illustrated glossary of agate terms. > They also have good coverage of Nebraska fossil fish. This site has > only had about a thousand visitors since opening last January. Let's > encourage those hard working, clearly rockhound, Nebraskans with a year > end burst of activity at their site. Be forewarned! You will spend > more time at this site than you think. > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > WWW: http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 26 00:17:33 2006 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue Dec 26 00:17:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock vs land ownership in KY In-Reply-To: <002401c72898$7c0a2c50$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <20061226081733.23940.qmail@web51014.mail.yahoo.com> A good geologist expert witness could have pointed out that the limestone did contain commercially important minerals including calcium and magnesium carbonates : Which are recognized as mineral commodities in most jurisdictions. Were the rock vs mineral finding adopted elsewhere, nothing could be mined as it is all in "rock" form;Ore bodies, marble, calcite, dolomite, silica which is crushed from sandstone here in Pennsylvania etc. These are listed and regulated as "mineral commodities" many places. I suspect end use is a factor. I also imagine that quarrying top down largely violates the right of the land owner to "lateral support". There are still several large underground quarries in Tennessee for that reason. I await the Tennessee ruling out of curiosity. Actually, I politically support the land owner, just having seen the operation of many Southern Courts they pretty much rule which ever way the votes are coming from come election time. Elton --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > In Kentucky, that issue was resolved > this week. A quarry in Livingston Co., KY was > recently opened when the company acquired mineral > rights. They did not own the land. They lost in > court. Limestone is not considered a mineral, it is > a rock. From rockhound at btinternet.com Tue Dec 26 02:40:56 2006 From: rockhound at btinternet.com (Neil A) Date: Tue Dec 26 02:41:22 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock vs land ownership in KY In-Reply-To: <20061226081733.23940.qmail@web51014.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If these issues go to court, it is probable that the mineral owner failed to compensate the land owener for damages and inconvenience or make provision to make good after extraction of the mineral deposit was removed. If the mineral deposit owner had bought the land for a reasonable amount, there would still have been profit in the enterprise and happiness on both sides. Buy and return is an option, whereby the mining company purchases the land, removes the ore/mineral/rock, returns the land to legal minimum closure status then returns the propertyt to the current land-owner or their heirs. Down side of this is environmental risk then made over to the landowner, who would be liable in any case if the mining company did the dirty and liquidated on completion of 95% of their extraction. If an asset is purchaseed without access rights already negotiated, the mining company should go elsewhere and find something they can get that would satisfy their requirements. Would you buy a house without having legal access to the property? Just a few thoughts... Neil A ACSM From magnet at crocoite.com Tue Dec 26 03:52:04 2006 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Tue Dec 26 03:52:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] I got rocks for Christmas Message-ID: <20061226115204.585.qmail@webmachine101.com> Nice one Kreigh I got socks for Christmas! Regards Steve From rockhound at btinternet.com Tue Dec 26 04:13:57 2006 From: rockhound at btinternet.com (Neil A) Date: Tue Dec 26 04:14:09 2006 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] I got rocks for Christmas Message-ID: I got my first tumbler... at 45 years old. From JHODEL at wvdep.org Tue Dec 26 06:33:35 2006 From: JHODEL at wvdep.org (J.R. Hodel) Date: Tue Dec 26 06:33:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reading suggestion endorsed Message-ID: Hi: I want to second BK's "Annals of the Former World" suggestion, I started reading them as individual books, as he released them, and then Martha got me the whole thing for a Gift one Christmas years ago. Like an unabriged dictionary to handle...but really good reading. MxPhee's other stuff (OffTopic warning) is pretty good too! Mostly published first as articles in the New Yorker magazine, then as individual compliations, then the master with all the individual woven into one big piece. Plate tectonics, orogeny of mountain ranges, sedimentation, all kinds of complex geological ideas are covered, and how they were discovered, by visiting the discoverers in many cases. Some of the places he describes are famous places for geologists and r'hounds to visit, at least in passing...quarries now famous for the fossils recovered, well-known mines, road cuts, etc. He has a gift for getting inside someone's head (cooks, wildlife biologists, geologists, prospectors, farmers, developers, etc) and then explicating what he learned about their craft in clear cogent prose. JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Dec 26 08:59:11 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Dec 26 08:59:14 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ Collecting References: <7aac8040612080735q27671acay7f807a67358af33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c7290f$2b359a90$c72bd64c@LarryRush> I was born, raised, and educated in New Jersey, and spent a good amount of time digging and researching specimens there, too. (Upper New Street, Mullica Hill, Belemnitella, Franklin, Bound Brook, etc.). I like to hear stories and see specimens from there, and try to keep in touch with the collecting status. So, this little tale about the noted Millington Quarry caught my interest.... I have a long time mineral friend that I keep in touch with, who recently brought me a flat of recently collected, pink and green pastel colored pectolite, sprinkled with micro pyrites. The Millington Quarry (in one of the NJ basalt flows) has produced some of these in the past few years, and is in the process of closing down. (Anything to add to this, Earl?) Collecting is extremely limited, so I didn't press him as to how he came to have these, which are comparable to some of the better Paterson material from decades ago. Anyway, he tells me that the quarry is in it's last days, and is to be filled and the reclaimed land to be sold as housing lots. This isn't unusual on the East coast these days, since land near there (Basking Ridge, site of AT&T corporate HQ) can go for hundreds of thousands of dollars an acre, and one building lot can sell for more than a multi hundred acre Vermont farm. Still, I was surprised to hear this will happen, even in one of the most densely populated states in the US. Although the quarry isn't huge, by mid-west or Western standards, the amount of fill needed (and which isn't readily available!) is staggering to imagine. When this is the state of quarrying, and the pressures on collecting in the East, it shows the challenges that collectors face, now and even more so in the future. Anyway, after reading John's account of mining his claim, (thanks, John!) this points out the vast differences of collecting within the country today! I have a picture of one of these neat pectolite vugs on my web site ( http://www.connroxminerals.com/photospage5.html ) and a few to sell or trade. Some will stay tucked away to remind me some day of the times I spent roaming the (then) undeveloped NJ countryside! Happy New Year!! Larry From ajs at frii.com Tue Dec 26 11:01:46 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Dec 26 11:01:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Reading suggestion endorsed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061226190146.A67EF4D27F@io.frii.com> Indeed, if rocks and geology interest you, "Annals of the Former World" by McPhee is fine reading. Or, listening, if you, say, borrow the audiobooks from your library to hear while traveling many miles on I80... I got started when a friend gave me a copy of "Rising from the Plains", about Wyoming and former state geologist David Love. I've read it twice and marked it up. Thanks to this book, I went out of my way to visit the WY Geo Survey offices once on the Laramie campus, and got to meet the fine gentleman (and I use that word explicitly) before his demise within in the last couple of years. Despite dealing with cancer, Dr. Love was busy in his museum-like office working on numerous projects, fielding calls and visitors, in his 80s or 90s I think. I was impressed that he made time to chat with me, and he even gave me a small tumbled memento of Wyoming moss agate. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Dec 26 11:03:40 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Dec 26 11:03:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charitable PC Work References: <7aac8040612080735q27671acay7f807a67358af33a@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7290f$2b359a90$c72bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000601c72920$8ebc5cf0$c72bd64c@LarryRush> List..... Since we are between holidays, things are quiet, and in the spirit of the season, perhaps the list will forgive me for an off-topic posting...... There is a way to support some very good charities without giving of time and money, simply by lending them your PC when it is not otherwise being used. These are organizations, mostly research oriented, that can use your PC's time, when it might otherwise be used by a screen-saver, in a function of distributed processing. You can choose an organization of your choice; cancer research, SETI (search for extra-terrestrial intelligence), smallpox, genome mapping, and others. (I don't know of any oceanographic, atmospheric or geologic work available yet) The way it works is: you download a small administrative program which sits quietly and unobtrusively, and will start only after your screen saver would normally cut in, then the organization you are supporting will send your machine data to analyze. It will sit quietly churning away, sending the results back to the research center, using only a few watts of your time and effort. If you need to use your machine, just press any key, the program stops, and you are back in game-land! You do need to be using some sort of broadband transmission. When thousands or millions of PCs do this, the system acts like a super computer, and saves the researchers years of computer time. Check this out with www.Grid.org for more details. Who knows, you might be the one who aids in discovering a new intelligent planet, or a cure for leukemia! Thanks for your patience and understanding...and now; back to our regularly scheduled programming....ROCKS! Larry From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Dec 26 12:30:50 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Dec 26 12:30:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charitable PC Work In-Reply-To: <000601c72920$8ebc5cf0$c72bd64c@LarryRush> References: <7aac8040612080735q27671acay7f807a67358af33a@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7290f$2b359a90$c72bd64c@LarryRush> <000601c72920$8ebc5cf0$c72bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: I understand that the SETI project is over loaded with computers altho they are apparently still accepting new volunteers. But it is a good way to use those spare cycles on your system. BK On 12/26/06, Lawrence Rush wrote: > > List..... > > Since we are between holidays, things are quiet, and in the spirit of the > season, perhaps the list will forgive me for an off-topic posting...... > > There is a way to support some very good charities without giving of time > and money, simply by lending them your PC when it is not otherwise being > used. These are organizations, mostly research oriented, that can use your > PC's time, when it might otherwise be used by a screen-saver, in a > function > of distributed processing. > > You can choose an organization of your choice; cancer research, SETI > (search > for extra-terrestrial intelligence), smallpox, genome mapping, and others. > (I don't know of any oceanographic, atmospheric or geologic work available > yet) > > The way it works is: you download a small administrative program which > sits > quietly and unobtrusively, and will start only after your screen saver > would > normally cut in, then the organization you are supporting will send your > machine data to analyze. It will sit quietly churning away, sending the > results back to the research center, using only a few watts of your time > and > effort. If you need to use your machine, just press any key, the program > stops, and you are back in game-land! You do need to be using some sort of > broadband transmission. > > When thousands or millions of PCs do this, the system acts like a super > computer, and saves the researchers years of computer time. > > Check this out with www.Grid.org for more details. > Who knows, you might be the one who aids in discovering a new intelligent > planet, or a cure for leukemia! > > Thanks for your patience and understanding...and now; back to our > regularly > scheduled programming....ROCKS! > > Larry > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Tue Dec 26 12:53:43 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Tue Dec 26 12:53:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Charitable PC Work In-Reply-To: References: <7aac8040612080735q27671acay7f807a67358af33a@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7290f$2b359a90$c72bd64c@LarryRush> <000601c72920$8ebc5cf0$c72bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: I've been running SETI using Classic SETI, and for a couple year, BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure Network Computing). It's a good use for computing power that would be wasted when I stop for a cup of coffee. In addition to SETI, BOINC offers several research programs that need massive amounts of computing power. Another interesting site when you have time to kill is WWW.WHERESGEORGE.COM. You can enter the serial numbers of $$ bills in your wallet and track their travels. I 'released' a $20 in Chico, CA and about 6 months later someone entered it in Phoenix, AZ. Grant Johbnston, Chico., CA On 12/26/06, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > I understand that the SETI project is over loaded with computers altho they > are apparently still accepting new volunteers. But it is a good way to use > those spare cycles on your system. > > BK > > On 12/26/06, Lawrence Rush wrote: > > > > List..... > > > > Since we are between holidays, things are quiet, and in the spirit of the > > season, perhaps the list will forgive me for an off-topic posting...... > > > > There is a way to support some very good charities without giving of time > > and money, simply by lending them your PC when it is not otherwise being > > used. These are organizations, mostly research oriented, that can use your > > PC's time, when it might otherwise be used by a screen-saver, in a > > function > > of distributed processing. > > > > You can choose an organization of your choice; cancer research, SETI > > (search > > for extra-terrestrial intelligence), smallpox, genome mapping, and others. > > (I don't know of any oceanographic, atmospheric or geologic work available > > yet) > > > > The way it works is: you download a small administrative program which > > sits > > quietly and unobtrusively, and will start only after your screen saver > > would > > normally cut in, then the organization you are supporting will send your > > machine data to analyze. It will sit quietly churning away, sending the > > results back to the research center, using only a few watts of your time > > and > > effort. If you need to use your machine, just press any key, the program > > stops, and you are back in game-land! You do need to be using some sort of > > broadband transmission. > > > > When thousands or millions of PCs do this, the system acts like a super > > computer, and saves the researchers years of computer time. > > > > Check this out with www.Grid.org for more details. > > Who knows, you might be the one who aids in discovering a new intelligent > > planet, or a cure for leukemia! > > > > Thanks for your patience and understanding...and now; back to our > > regularly > > scheduled programming....ROCKS! > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 18:49:23 2006 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Wed Dec 27 18:49:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes Message-ID: <20061228024923.32821.qmail@web35612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do you suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to purchase them from a fellow rockhounder. Thanks for your help. June Twin Cities __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Dec 27 19:28:51 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Dec 27 19:28:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perky Boxes Message-ID: <002001c72a30$4c2ec9c0$dbfdf604@TheBlackAdder> I got some 2 1/4" cube perky boxes 10 for $9.50 plus 10 cents ea for styrofoam inserts. Online ordering was easy; $20. minimum order so I ordered 20 boxes. They also have the 1 1/4" cube perky boxes at 10 for $4.50 and other display supplies. These are clear acrylic on 5 sides (the lid or top) with a black plastic bottom. The lid snaps closed. http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html Cheers, Erich From gene at fossilnut.com Wed Dec 27 19:45:09 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Wed Dec 27 19:45:13 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes References: <20061228024923.32821.qmail@web35612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019701c72a32$92fbdee0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Try these sources. Althor Products - find them on Google. I've done business with them for many years, Geosource more aligned with mineral collector standard items. http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html Mineral and Fossil Supply - http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html Other http://www.geoprime.com/geology_lab_supplies.htm Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes >I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to >have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do you >suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to purchase >them from a fellow rockhounder. > Thanks for your help. > June > Twin Cities > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Dec 27 20:55:57 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Dec 27 20:52:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes {and Mineral Tac} References: <20061228024923.32821.qmail@web35612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45934D88.4E65@Tomaszewski.net> June, I can recommend Color Wright's Arizona Mineral Company, that you should have no problems finding on Google, for display boxes. I wish they still carried Mineral Tac. Anyone know of a dealer who still carries it? Kreigh June Young wrote: > > I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do you suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to purchase them from a fellow rockhounder. > Thanks for your help. > June > Twin Cities From tam2819 at cox.net Wed Dec 27 21:19:27 2006 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Wed Dec 27 21:19:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <200612270204.kBR24fbE001810@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200612270204.kBR24fbE001810@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Larry, I tried, but Grid.org is not set up to use a MAC. Terrie From jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com Wed Dec 27 21:34:39 2006 From: jeannius at jeanniusdesigns.com (Jeanne Rhodes Moen) Date: Wed Dec 27 21:34:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: <200612270204.kBR24fbE001810@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4593576F.6020300@jeanniusdesigns.com> if you are trying to get the seti@home software for mac...go here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php Jeanne ------------------------------------------------------------------------ My Jewelry: http://www.jeannius.com Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book): http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* NEW!!!!My Amazon Jewelry bookstore: http://astore.amazon.com/jeanniusdesig-20/ JDlogo chrysocola necklace ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Teresa Masters wrote: > Larry, > I tried, but Grid.org is not set up to use a MAC. > Terrie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From turnea55 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 27 21:50:48 2006 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Wed Dec 27 21:50:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes In-Reply-To: <20061228024923.32821.qmail@web35612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I buy almost all my mineral boxes/perky boxes from http://www.rockboxes.com. They have the best rates I've ever found, especially if you buy in bulk (you can always use extras). If you don't want to pay shipping, I'm sure they'll be at Tucson again this year. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA >From: June Young >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) > >I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to >have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do you >suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to purchase >them from a fellow rockhounder. > Thanks for your help. > June > Twin Cities > > __________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com Wed Dec 27 22:16:16 2006 From: mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com (Sandra B. Gee) Date: Wed Dec 27 22:16:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes {and Mineral Tac} In-Reply-To: <45934D88.4E65@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20061228061616.51759.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kreigh, Take a look at: http://www.mikon-online.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=44&osCsid=f357033aba0ce5f1652bf2619ed1d642 I think that they carry mineral tack. Also, they have a nice selection of display boxes that I don't see with most US retailers. I found this site earlier this year after reading on John Betts' website. See: http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/journal.htm and look at the 4/4/06 entry. He mentioned a company called Mikon that he knew still carried mineral tack. I did a google search and came to the Mikon website. Sandra. --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > June, > > I can recommend Color Wright's Arizona Mineral > Company, that you should > have no problems finding on Google, for display > boxes. > > I wish they still carried Mineral Tac. Anyone know > of a dealer who still > carries it? > > Kreigh > > > > > June Young wrote: > > > > I am looking for boxes to display some small > stones in. I would like to have lids on them as we > have a lot of dust. What company or website do you > suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would > be willing to purchase them from a fellow > rockhounder. > > Thanks for your help. > > June > > Twin Cities > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From dr00bert at gmail.com Thu Dec 28 06:39:46 2006 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Thu Dec 28 06:39:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes {and Mineral Tac} In-Reply-To: <20061228061616.51759.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <45934D88.4E65@Tomaszewski.net> <20061228061616.51759.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040612280639s73dd2b5diabb88ba9a37eda0a@mail.gmail.com> I got so frustrated trying to find mineral tac, I just decided to try out "Plasti-Tak" (bought from Michaels), it works well, hasn't damaged a specimen yet! Drew On 12/28/06, Sandra B. Gee wrote: > > Kreigh, > > Take a look at: > > > http://www.mikon-online.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=44&osCsid=f357033aba0ce5f1652bf2619ed1d642 > > I think that they carry mineral tack. Also, they have > a nice selection of display boxes that I don't see > with most US retailers. > > I found this site earlier this year after reading on > John Betts' website. See: > > http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com/jhbnyc/journal.htm > > > and look at the 4/4/06 entry. He mentioned a company > called Mikon that he knew still carried mineral tack. > I did a google search and came to the Mikon website. > > Sandra. > > --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > June, > > > > I can recommend Color Wright's Arizona Mineral > > Company, that you should > > have no problems finding on Google, for display > > boxes. > > > > I wish they still carried Mineral Tac. Anyone know > > of a dealer who still > > carries it? > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > June Young wrote: > > > > > > I am looking for boxes to display some small > > stones in. I would like to have lids on them as we > > have a lot of dust. What company or website do you > > suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would > > be willing to purchase them from a fellow > > rockhounder. > > > Thanks for your help. > > > June > > > Twin Cities > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Dec 28 10:15:17 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Dec 28 10:15:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rockhounds Dig... AAAARGH... DEL DEL DEL > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Teresa Masters > Verzonden: donderdag 28 december 2006 6:19 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26 > > > Larry, > I tried, but Grid.org is not set up to use a MAC. > Terrie > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Dec 28 10:33:15 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Dec 28 10:33:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: [ADMIN] topic change (was) Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061228082632.0435d8e0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> To everyone on the Digest plan: Thank you to those of you who change the topic in the Subject line, and a reminder to those who forget: Please remove the and type an appropriate topic. Happy New Year, Kitty (Admin Team) At 08:15 AM 12/28/2006, you wrote: >Rockhounds Dig... AAAARGH... DEL DEL DEL From ajs at frii.com Thu Dec 28 12:32:21 2006 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Dec 28 12:32:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes In-Reply-To: <20061228024923.32821.qmail@web35612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061228203221.DC1484D281@io.frii.com> June et al, > I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like > to have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. Stray thought, if you are talking about a lot of small samples, have you considered using cheaper (uncovered) cardboard perky boxes, and then laying them out in rows and columns in bigger flats with lids? These could be as simple as pop + beer flats (smaller flat = bottom, bigger flat = cover), although then you can't see inside without lifting off the lid; or more elaborate, either bought or constructed flats with clear plastic lids. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Dec 29 08:47:18 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Dec 29 08:47:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL Message-ID: <122920061647.16038.45954695000D3F4C00003EA6216028106007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Dear Rockhounds, I'd like to relay the the Rockhounds List a request that actually came to us at the USGS; I think perhaps one or more people from Rockhounds might be willing to write back to this person, Patrick, with more local-oriented information about sites or local clubs, etc., than I could provide. Thanks very much! Please note that this was an off-list request, so you'll have to respond directly to them (post it to the list too if you care to, of course). May thanks and best wishes for the holidays to all, Pete Modreski, pjmodreski@att.net (writing this while visiting my family in Somersworth, NH, on a Christmas visit; hoping to return to Denver tomorrow, 12/30, if the snow isn't too bad and enough of the airport is open to get me in!) Here's the letter we receiving requesting rockhunting info: from Patrick Willis, olpaw@hotmail.com "My family is looking for areas in south Louisianna, Mississippi, Alabama, where we might find fossils, geodes, Indian artifacts, etc.; can you help?" I'm sure any good advice sent to this person would be appreciated. I've written back to him, saying I would post this note to the Rockhounds; and, I've already cautioned him about how it is generally not legal to collect Indian artifacts on any public lands. Thanks again, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From timeman123 at optonline.net Fri Dec 29 12:42:44 2006 From: timeman123 at optonline.net (ROBERT A SANTEE) Date: Fri Dec 29 12:44:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] micro Message-ID: <001301c72b89$e48eb4a0$517d5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Hi everybody i have some great info on micro box this is a gret site for buyig 1x1x1 micro boes,the site is www. oppenheimplastics.com phone no. 561 488 8986 or 888 386 6382 style of box #625 they are .22 cents each mim order 1000 boxes comes to 225.00 and 5.00 shipping you can not get these boxes any cheaper anywear great deal they are located in boca raton fla.Check it out bob anybody have any qustions you can email me. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Fri Dec 29 18:09:47 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Fri Dec 29 18:10:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... Message-ID: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> get ready to be nauseated...... Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337 HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON'T SAY - Orders to Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology Washington, DC - Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). "In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'" In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon. PEER is also asking Director Bomar to approve a pamphlet, suppressed since 2002 by Bush appointees, providing guidance for rangers and other interpretive staff in making distinctions between science and religion when speaking to park visitors about geologic issues. In August 2003, Park Superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the sale at park bookstores of Grand Canyon: A Different View by Tom Vail, a book claiming the Canyon developed on a biblical rather than an evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however, intervened and overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS Chief of Communications David Barna told reporters and members of Congress that there would be a high-level policy review of the issue. According to a recent NPS response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by PEER, no such review was ever requested, let alone conducted or completed. Park officials have defended the decision to approve the sale of Grand Canyon: A Different View, claiming that park bookstores are like libraries, where the broadest range of views are displayed. In fact, however, both law and park policies make it clear that the park bookstores are more like schoolrooms rather than libraries. As such, materials are only to reflect the highest quality science and are supposed to closely support approved interpretive themes. Moreover, unlike a library the approval process is very selective. Records released to PEER show that during 2003, Grand Canyon officials rejected 22 books and other products for bookstore placement while approving only one new sale item - the creationist book. Ironically, in 2005, two years after the Grand Canyon creationist controversy erupted, NPS approved a new directive on "Interpretation and Education (Director's Order #6) which reinforces the posture that materials on the "history of the Earth must be based on the best scientific evidence available, as found in scholarly sources that have stood the test of scientific peer review and criticism [and] Interpretive and educational programs must refrain from appearing to endorse religious beliefs explaining natural processes." "As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone National Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan," Ruch added, pointing to the fact that previous NPS leadership ignored strong protests from both its own scientists and leading geological societies against the agency approval of the creationist book. "We sincerely hope that the new Director of the Park Service now has the autonomy to do her job." --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Dec 29 21:03:42 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Dec 29 20:54:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... References: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> Message-ID: <4595F0C3.1C85@Tomaszewski.net> More details on the USGS publication restrictions, which are broad, can be found at... http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/061214_ap_usgs_screening.html Kreigh Michael Schmidt wrote: > > get ready to be nauseated...... > > Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337 > > HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON'T SAY - Orders to Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology > > Washington, DC - Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Env > > "In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'" > > In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon. PEER is also asking Director Bomar to approve a pamphlet, suppressed since 2002 by Bush appointees, providing guidance for rangers and other interpretive staff in making distinctions between science and r > > In August 2003, Park Superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the sale at park bookstores of Grand Canyon: A Different View by Tom Vail, a book claiming the Canyon developed on a biblical rather than an evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however, intervened and overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS Chief of Communications David Barna told reporters and members of Congress that there would be a high-level policy review of the issue. > > According to a recent NPS response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by PEER, no such review was ever requested, let alone conducted or completed. > > > > Ironically, in 2005, two years after the Grand Canyon creationist controversy erupted, NPS approved a new directive on "Interpretation and Education (Director's Order #6) which reinforces the posture that materials on the "history of the Earth must be based on the best scientific evidence available, as found in scholarly sources that have stood the test of scientific peer review and criticism [and] Interpretive and educational programs must refrain from appearing to endorse religious beliefs exp > > "As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone National Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan," Ruch added, pointing to the fact that previous NPS leadership ignored strong protests from both its own scientists and leading geological societies against the agency approval of the creationist book. "We sincerely hope that the new Director of the Park Service now has the autonomy to do her job." > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 30 00:03:55 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 30 00:04:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL Message-ID: Howdy Pete! Jeanette and I just returned home from a Christmas visit with a daughter and her family in Mississippi. Our visit included a day driving to the black belt area in east central Mississippi with our daughter and her 2 young sons where we searched a few road cuts and found fossil sea shells and pyrite or marcasite nodules in the Selma Chalk. Her 7 year old is a budding rockhound and has started his own collection. Hello Patrick! Here is a bit of what I think is good avdvice: Contact the Alabama Museum of Natural History. My wife Jeanette and I have been on 2 trips fossil hunting through the museum. One was to "Shark Tooth Creek" where we collected a goodly number of the creek's namesakes as well as other fossils of the period. The trip included a terrific lecture by a professor and was oriented toward families, including children. The trip was overnight and lodging, dinner, and breakfast came with the package. The land is private and the museum has been given access. The other trip we made with the museum was to a coal strip mine which is also on private property. Coal age fossils including fern fronds, cycad impressions, brachiopods, and even horseshoe crab tracks were found and collected. I would expect that the natural history museums in other states also conduct such trips. Also do not miss the opportunity to find your local rock club and seek their advice. Jeanette and I are members of the Mobile club and we are learning much from the members and other contacts there. google.com should reveal links for contacting the museums and clubs. Good luck and happy hunting! Glenn Wimpee From: pjmodreski@att.netSubject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL Dear Rockhounds, I'd like to relay the the Rockhounds List a request that actually came to us at the USGS; I think perhaps one or more people from Rockhounds might be willing to write back to this person, Patrick, with more local-oriented information about sites or local clubs, etc., than I could provide. Thanks very much! Please note that this was an off-list request, so you'll have to respond directly to them (post it to the list too if you care to, of course). May thanks and best wishes for the holidays to all, Pete Modreski, pjmodreski@att.net (writing this while visiting my family in Somersworth, NH, on a Christmas visit; hoping to return to Denver tomorrow, 12/30, if the snow isn't too bad and enough of the airport is open to get me in!) Here's the letter we receiving requesting rockhunting info: from Patrick Willis, olpaw@hotmail.com "My family is looking for areas in south Louisianna, Mississippi, Alabama, where we might find fossils, geodes, Indian artifacts, etc.; can you help?" I'm sure any good advice sent to this person would be appreciated. I've written back to him, saying I would post this note to the Rockhounds; and, I've already cautioned him about how it is generally not legal to collect Indian artifacts on any public lands. Thanks again, Pete _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Dec 30 07:08:54 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Dec 30 07:08:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... References: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> <4595F0C3.1C85@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <009001c72c24$6c626120$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I saw the article in our paper when it was published several weeks ago. Science in the U.S. is in a sad state with regards to our government leaders. There are bright spots among specific states (and Kentucky is not one of them), but situation is not going to change on a federal level until the administration changes. Whether it will require a change of parties will depend on who is selected to replace Bush. Tackling the issue is somewhat Quixotic -- a bit overwhelming for any one person. Locally, each of us should defend science and scientific methodology through our own media outlets, school boards, museumss, etc. Towards that end, I have written letters to the editor on related matters and I talk about the age of fossils (young 15K year old mammoth tusks vs ~400 m.y.o. Devonian fossils) in our park fossil labs. The new exhibits that I am overseeing will not shirk on that issue. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... > More details on the USGS publication restrictions, which are broad, can > be found at... > > http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/061214_ap_usgs_screening.html > > Kreigh > > > > Michael Schmidt wrote: >> >> get ready to be nauseated...... >> >> Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337 >> >> HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON'T SAY - Orders to Cater to >> Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology >> >> Washington, DC - Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an >> official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to >> pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt >> review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created >> by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years >> later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the >> park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Env >> >> "In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park >> Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER >> Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official >> position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is >> 'no comment.'" >> >> In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the National >> Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the >> book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to >> honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the >> Grand Canyon. PEER is also asking Director Bomar to approve a pamphlet, >> suppressed since 2002 by Bush appointees, providing guidance for rangers >> and other interpretive staff in making distinctions between science and r >> >> In August 2003, Park Superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the >> sale at park bookstores of Grand Canyon: A Different View by Tom Vail, a >> book claiming the Canyon developed on a biblical rather than an >> evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however, intervened and >> overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS Chief of >> Communications David Barna told reporters and members of Congress that >> there would be a high-level policy review of the issue. >> >> According to a recent NPS response to a Freedom of Information Act >> request filed by PEER, no such review was ever requested, let alone >> conducted or completed. >> >> >> >> Ironically, in 2005, two years after the Grand Canyon creationist >> controversy erupted, NPS approved a new directive on "Interpretation and >> Education (Director's Order #6) which reinforces the posture that >> materials on the "history of the Earth must be based on the best >> scientific evidence available, as found in scholarly sources that have >> stood the test of scientific peer review and criticism [and] Interpretive >> and educational programs must refrain from appearing to endorse religious >> beliefs exp >> >> "As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone National >> Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan," >> Ruch added, pointing to the fact that previous NPS leadership ignored >> strong protests from both its own scientists and leading geological >> societies against the agency approval of the creationist book. "We >> sincerely hope that the new Director of the Park Service now has the >> autonomy to do her job." >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rpr at heidelberg.edu Sat Dec 30 07:35:24 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Sat Dec 30 07:35:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... In-Reply-To: <4595F0C3.1C85@Tomaszewski.net> References: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> <4595F0C3.1C85@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <01C2ECAD-8B8A-46C4-8E8D-5E6248F90766@heidelberg.edu> Maybe I missed something, but the article is about the National Park Service, not the USGS.... Pete Richards On Dec 30, 2006, at 12:03 AM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > More details on the USGS publication restrictions, which are broad, > can > be found at... > > http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/ > 061214_ap_usgs_screening.html > > Kreigh > > > > Michael Schmidt wrote: >> >> get ready to be nauseated...... >> >> Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337 >> >> HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON'T SAY - Orders to >> Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology >> >> Washington, DC - Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to >> give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal >> feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. >> Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book >> claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than >> by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever >> been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to >> documents released today by Public Employees for Env >> >> "In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our >> National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in >> geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is >> disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to >> the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'" >> >> In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the >> National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling >> tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park >> interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public >> about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon. PEER is also asking >> Director Bomar to approve a pamphlet, suppressed since 2002 by >> Bush appointees, providing guidance for rangers and other >> interpretive staff in making distinctions between science and r >> >> In August 2003, Park Superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block >> the sale at park bookstores of Grand Canyon: A Different View by >> Tom Vail, a book claiming the Canyon developed on a biblical >> rather than an evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however, >> intervened and overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS >> Chief of Communications David Barna told reporters and members of >> Congress that there would be a high-level policy review of the issue. >> >> According to a recent NPS response to a Freedom of Information Act >> request filed by PEER, no such review was ever requested, let >> alone conducted or completed. >> >> >> >> Ironically, in 2005, two years after the Grand Canyon creationist >> controversy erupted, NPS approved a new directive on >> "Interpretation and Education (Director's Order #6) which >> reinforces the posture that materials on the "history of the Earth >> must be based on the best scientific evidence available, as found >> in scholarly sources that have stood the test of scientific peer >> review and criticism [and] Interpretive and educational programs >> must refrain from appearing to endorse religious beliefs exp >> >> "As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone >> National Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: >> Nostrils of Satan," Ruch added, pointing to the fact that previous >> NPS leadership ignored strong protests from both its own >> scientists and leading geological societies against the agency >> approval of the creationist book. "We sincerely hope that the new >> Director of the Park Service now has the autonomy to do her job." >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Sat Dec 30 09:46:14 2006 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Dec 30 09:47:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... In-Reply-To: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> References: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> Message-ID: On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Michael Schmidt wrote: I am nauseated, another press release that isn't telling the truth. This press release and the PEER web site appears to be nothing more than PEER's grandstanding, looking for more publicity for its stand that the subject book should be taken off the shelves of the National Park Service. On a web search I could find nothing where it states that the NPS could not state the scientific age of the Grand Canyon or any other science based information. All I could find was that the PEER group, like so many other action groups that supposedly are working in the public's best interest are not getting their way in having a book they don't like removed from the bookstore shelves of the National Parks. So now, they are claiming that the Park Service cannot state the scientific information. Where is this actually written? Lanny > get ready to be nauseated...... > > > > > Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337 > > HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON'T SAY - Orders to Cater > to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology > > Washington, DC - Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give > an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due > to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a > prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was > created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than > three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on > sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public > Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). > ... From kadok at infowest.com Sat Dec 30 10:20:08 2006 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Dec 30 10:20:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] and no, this apparantly isn't an early April Fool's Day joke.... In-Reply-To: <4595F0C3.1C85@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002301c72c3f$23436690$0200a8c0@kadok> And the restrictions aren't always just on publications --- When I was giving evening programs in Zion N.P., and was talking about the famous Zion Narrows, the city of St. George, Utah was very insistent about building a dam, way up above the narrows, so that St. George could steal all the water from Zion, Springdale, Virgin, etc. I was not permitted, at the end of the program showing the beauties of the narrows, to point out that the dam would dry up the narrows, and leave Zion and the Virgin River, nearly waterless. Fortunately, a few years later they reversed their stand. Also fortunately, Zion won a long court battle that prevented the building of the dam; but it was a long tough (and expensive!) battle. Margaret More details on the USGS publication restrictions, which are broad, can be found at... http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/061214_ap_usgs_screening.html Kreigh Michael Schmidt wrote: > > get ready to be nauseated...... > > Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337 > > HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON'T SAY - Orders to Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology > > Washington, DC - Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Env > > "In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is 'no comment.'" > > In a letter released today, PEER urged the new Director of the National Park Service (NPS), Mary Bomar, to end the stalling tactics, remove the book from sale at the park and allow park interpretive rangers to honestly answer questions from the public about the geologic age of the Grand Canyon. PEER is also asking Director Bomar to approve a pamphlet, suppressed since 2002 by Bush appointees, providing guidance for rangers and other interpretive staff in making distinctions between science and r > > In August 2003, Park Superintendent Joe Alston attempted to block the sale at park bookstores of Grand Canyon: A Different View by Tom Vail, a book claiming the Canyon developed on a biblical rather than an evolutionary time scale. NPS Headquarters, however, intervened and overruled Alston. To quiet the resulting furor, NPS Chief of Communications David Barna told reporters and members of Congress that there would be a high-level policy review of the issue. > > According to a recent NPS response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by PEER, no such review was ever requested, let alone conducted or completed. > > > > Ironically, in 2005, two years after the Grand Canyon creationist controversy erupted, NPS approved a new directive on "Interpretation and Education (Director's Order #6) which reinforces the posture that materials on the "history of the Earth must be based on the best scientific evidence available, as found in scholarly sources that have stood the test of scientific peer review and criticism [and] Interpretive and educational programs must refrain from appearing to endorse religious beliefs exp > > "As one park geologist said, this is equivalent of Yellowstone National Park selling a book entitled Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan," Ruch added, pointing to the fact that previous NPS leadership ignored strong protests from both its own scientists and leading geological societies against the agency approval of the creationist book. "We sincerely hope that the new Director of the Park Service now has the autonomy to do her job." > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tim at orerockon.com Sat Dec 30 11:16:50 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Dec 30 11:15:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: PEERs In-Reply-To: References: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20061230110236.02912bd0@orerockon.com> Actually, I have worked with, and therefore know, a few of the PEERs, including their founder Jeff DeBonis, who got royally screwed over by the Willamette NF in 1989 for pointing out that they were rapidly and irreversibly destroying the very ecosystem they were charged with protecting, and although I do not always agree with their positions, they are usually in the scientific/legal "right" when they disagree with the USFS, BLM, and NPS. A prudent individual who really wanted to know would call the Grand Canyon NP HQ and ask for themselves. Carrying a silly creationist book in a national park gift shop is absurd, don't you agree? BTW, Nausea was easily induced, about 15 years ago, by flying over the Willamette NF, and studying the numerous 100% clearcut drainages, hundreds of miles of unnecessary logging roads, muddy streams, and brown gashes from massive road failures. Thanks to people like Jeff, it is much harder to see the damage that was being done to the forest then from the air today. The forest ain't "all better", and probably never will be, but without PEERs-supported whistle-blowers, it would be worsening, not healing. 'Nuff said. I suspect this is off-topic enough to be taken off-list. At 09:46 AM 12/30/2006, you wrote: >On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > >I am nauseated, another press release that isn't telling the truth. >This press release and the PEER web site appears to be nothing more >than PEER's grandstanding, looking for more publicity for its stand >that the subject book should be taken off the shelves of the >National Park Service. > >On a web search I could find nothing where it states that the NPS >could not state the scientific age of the Grand Canyon or any other >science based information. All I could find was that the PEER group, >like so many other action groups that supposedly are working in the >public's best interest are not getting their way in having a book >they don't like removed from the bookstore shelves of the National >Parks. So now, they are claiming that the Park Service cannot state >the scientific information. Where is this actually written? > >Lanny Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Dec 30 11:57:22 2006 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Dec 30 11:57:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: PEERs In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20061230110236.02912bd0@orerockon.com> References: <008401c72bb7$94859360$78149444@michael01> <7.0.0.16.2.20061230110236.02912bd0@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20061230094749.04353a20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Hi List, I believe this topic is related to rockhounding and geology, but please be careful not to make personal attacks. This is a political issue, and normally politics by itself would be off-limits, but one could say that everything in life is political. As long as we keep the topic relating to rockhounding and geology, and as long as we all remain civil, let's proceed. Please consider this a warning to be careful and polite. Aloha, Kitty [as Admin Team member] At 09:16 AM 12/30/2006, you wrote: >Actually, I have worked with, and therefore know, a few of the PEERs, >including their founder Jeff DeBonis, who got royally screwed over by the >Willamette NF in 1989 for pointing out that they were rapidly and >irreversibly destroying the very ecosystem they were charged with >protecting, and although I do not always agree with their positions, they >are usually in the scientific/legal "right" when they disagree with the >USFS, BLM, and NPS. A prudent individual who really wanted to know would >call the Grand Canyon NP HQ and ask for themselves. Carrying a silly >creationist book in a national park gift shop is absurd, don't you agree? >BTW, Nausea was easily induced, about 15 years ago, by flying over the >Willamette NF, and studying the numerous 100% clearcut drainages, hundreds >of miles of unnecessary logging roads, muddy streams, and brown gashes >from massive road failures. Thanks to people like Jeff, it is much harder >to see the damage that was being done to the forest then from the air >today. The forest ain't "all better", and probably never will be, but >without PEERs-supported whistle-blowers, it would be worsening, not >healing. 'Nuff said. I suspect this is off-topic enough to be taken off-list. From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 30 13:54:27 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 30 13:54:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL Message-ID: I stand corrected, as usual. LOL. Jeanette's cycad fossil was found in Utah, and we did find lepidodendron in the coal shale. Jeanette usually keeps me straight. Thanks Jerry. It is definitely not my intent to spread bad info, and as admitted novice, I really do appreciate constructive criticism. Glenn Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 05:05:04 -0800 To: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com From: jerrybs@frii.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL It's the wrong age for cycad. The diamond shape impressions are lepidodendron. http://www.steve.gb.com/vegetable_empire/empire.html The seventh picture down. There is also a brief description. Jerry WA _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Dec 30 14:15:50 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Dec 30 14:15:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) Message-ID: The geological record is long and convincing as we all know. Most creationists seem to miss that if God is capable of anything and that thing about a second being like 10,000 years, then He must understand physics and chemistry better than any of us, and could well have used intelligent design in the creation of this world. We should be careful that as scientists we deny any theory that doesn't seem to fit what we have been taught. The world is not flat and this tiny planet is not the center of the universe. My 2 cents. Glenn > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:57:22 -1000> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> From: kahako@hawaiiantel.net> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: PEERs> > Hi List,> > I believe this topic is related to rockhounding and geology, but please be > careful not to make personal attacks. This is a political issue, and > normally politics by itself would be off-limits, but one could say that > everything in life is political. As long as we keep the topic relating to > rockhounding and geology, and as long as we all remain civil, let's > proceed. Please consider this a warning to be careful and polite.> > Aloha, Kitty [as Admin Team member]> > > At 09:16 AM 12/30/2006, you wrote:> >Actually, I have worked with, and therefore know, a few of the PEERs, > >including their founder Jeff DeBonis, who got royally screwed over by the > >Willamette NF in 1989 for pointing out that they were rapidly and > >irreversibly destroying the very ecosystem they were charged with > >protecting, and although I do not always agree with their positions, they > >are usually in the scientific/legal "right" when they disagree with the > >USFS, BLM, and NPS. A prudent individual who really wanted to know would > >call the Grand Canyon NP HQ and ask for themselves. Carrying a silly > >creationist book in a national park gift shop is absurd, don't you agree? > >BTW, Nausea was easily induced, about 15 years ago, by flying over the > >Willamette NF, and studying the numerous 100% clearcut drainages, hundreds > >of miles of unnecessary logging roads, muddy streams, and brown gashes > >from massive road failures. Thanks to people like Jeff, it is much harder > >to see the damage that was being done to the forest then from the air > >today. The forest ain't "all better", and probably never will be, but > >without PEERs-supported whistle-blowers, it would be worsening, not > >healing. 'Nuff said. I suspect this is off-topic enough to be taken off-list.> > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Dec 30 15:01:42 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Dec 30 15:00:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? Message-ID: <4596EFD6.6040801@verizon.net> Hi all, At some point, I've seen a list of the rarest minerals posted on the Internet, and perhaps even on this list a long time ago. Does anyone have a current list, or know where a current list is posted? A friend of mine has acquired a parcel of type locality thumbnails and wants to sell them, reasonably, but doesn't want to be foolish either and sell a ~$200 specimen for $40. I've never even heard of most of the minerals on the list, but it is difficult to say how rare they are... and yes, we know that "rarity" can be a subjective term. Thanks, Don From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Dec 30 15:56:05 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Dec 30 15:56:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: PEERs In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20061230094749.04353a20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: Yes indeed... We should also keep in mind that it is man that is knibbling away our free speach and thought, not God. In this case a powerful man but by no means a God! It was about 1 1/2 centuries ago that the British queen Victoria ordained that creation happened 8000 years BC. That claim was appropriate at the time and also a countermeasure against the upcoming theory of Charles Darwin... just my way of saying that anyone who utters similar beliefs belongs in the 19th century. If you really think it over in a neutral way: Evolutionists study nature. Some of them are religeous, some aren't. Creationist study the Bible and none of them is non-religeous. The answer to the origin of the Grand Canyon is in the above two sentences, not in the Bible ;-))) Happy Newyear everybody Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Kitty & Bill Heacox > Verzonden: zaterdag 30 december 2006 20:57 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: PEERs > > > Hi List, > > I believe this topic is related to rockhounding and geology, but > please be > careful not to make personal attacks. This is a political issue, and > normally politics by itself would be off-limits, but one could say that > everything in life is political. As long as we keep the topic > relating to > rockhounding and geology, and as long as we all remain civil, let's > proceed. Please consider this a warning to be careful and polite. > > Aloha, Kitty [as Admin Team member] > > > At 09:16 AM 12/30/2006, you wrote: > >Actually, I have worked with, and therefore know, a few of the PEERs, > >including their founder Jeff DeBonis, who got royally screwed > over by the > >Willamette NF in 1989 for pointing out that they were rapidly and > >irreversibly destroying the very ecosystem they were charged with > >protecting, and although I do not always agree with their > positions, they > >are usually in the scientific/legal "right" when they disagree with the > >USFS, BLM, and NPS. A prudent individual who really wanted to know would > >call the Grand Canyon NP HQ and ask for themselves. Carrying a silly > >creationist book in a national park gift shop is absurd, don't > you agree? > >BTW, Nausea was easily induced, about 15 years ago, by flying over the > >Willamette NF, and studying the numerous 100% clearcut > drainages, hundreds > >of miles of unnecessary logging roads, muddy streams, and brown gashes > >from massive road failures. Thanks to people like Jeff, it is > much harder > >to see the damage that was being done to the forest then from the air > >today. The forest ain't "all better", and probably never will be, but > >without PEERs-supported whistle-blowers, it would be worsening, not > >healing. 'Nuff said. I suspect this is off-topic enough to be > taken off-list. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Dec 30 19:13:50 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Dec 30 19:13:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? References: <4596EFD6.6040801@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001401c72c89$b1af8400$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> That is a good question. I am personally curious about the value of nice specimens from localities with a history of limited production. Also those that are largely unknown in the collecting community because specimens just don't get beyond local collectors. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? > > Hi all, > > At some point, I've seen a list of the rarest minerals posted on the > Internet, and perhaps even on this list a long time ago. Does anyone have > a current list, or know where a current list is posted? > > A friend of mine has acquired a parcel of type locality thumbnails and > wants to sell them, reasonably, but doesn't want to be foolish either and > sell a ~$200 specimen for $40. I've never even heard of most of the > minerals on the list, but it is difficult to say how rare they are... and > yes, we know that "rarity" can be a subjective term. > > > Thanks, > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Sat Dec 30 20:15:24 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sat Dec 30 20:15:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) References: Message-ID: <001301c72c92$4c6bf7a0$45faf604@TheBlackAdder> I agree with Glenn, and would add that I don't see a conflict between evolution and religion. God may have chosen evolution as the method of differentiating, improving, and extinguishing species. Where I disagree is with those who take literally what a "year" is and claim the earth is only ~6,000 years old when the evidence is clear that it's much, much older. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Wimpee To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) The geological record is long and convincing as we all know. Most creationists seem to miss that if God is capable of anything and that thing about a second being like 10,000 years, then He must understand physics and chemistry better than any of us, and could well have used intelligent design in the creation of this world. We should be careful that as scientists we deny any theory that doesn't seem to fit what we have been taught. The world is not flat and this tiny planet is not the center of the universe. My 2 cents. Glenn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Dec 30 20:19:57 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Dec 30 20:20:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) In-Reply-To: <001301c72c92$4c6bf7a0$45faf604@TheBlackAdder> References: <001301c72c92$4c6bf7a0$45faf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: That sums up my thoughts on the matter too. The scientists who take an aggressive atheist position are just as wrong as the creationists, IMO. Science is the study of 'how' thing happen and not 'why' things happen. BK On 12/30/06, Erich Kern wrote: > > > > I agree with Glenn, and would add that I don't see a conflict between > evolution and religion. God may have chosen evolution as the method of > differentiating, improving, and extinguishing species. Where I disagree is > with those who take literally what a "year" is and claim the earth is only > ~6,000 years old when the evidence is clear that it's much, much older. > > Erich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenn Wimpee > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:15 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) > > > The geological record is long and convincing as we all know. > > Most creationists seem to miss that if God is capable of anything and that > thing about a second being like 10,000 years, then He must understand > physics and chemistry better than any of us, and could well have used > intelligent design in the creation of this world. > > We should be careful that as scientists we deny any theory that doesn't > seem to fit what we have been taught. > > The world is not flat and this tiny planet is not the center of the > universe. > > My 2 cents. > Glenn > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Dec 30 20:50:05 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Dec 30 20:36:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? References: <4596EFD6.6040801@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45973E54.775B@Tomaszewski.net> Don, My defination of a 'rare' mineral is one I don't yet have in my collection. How much I will pay for a 'rare' mineral is based on my budget, and market research on what is available. Look for comparable available specimens to get a feel for current prices, or as a guide to set a price for your unique specimens. If no matches are found, pick a price and hope for the best. Cut the price you find by (at least) 20% if you want to make sure it sells. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Hi all, > > At some point, I've seen a list of the rarest minerals posted on the > Internet, and perhaps even on this list a long time ago. Does anyone > have a current list, or know where a current list is posted? > > A friend of mine has acquired a parcel of type locality thumbnails and > wants to sell them, reasonably, but doesn't want to be foolish either > and sell a ~$200 specimen for $40. I've never even heard of most of the > minerals on the list, but it is difficult to say how rare they are... > and yes, we know that "rarity" can be a subjective term. > > Thanks, > Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Dec 30 21:07:46 2006 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Dec 30 21:07:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL Message-ID: Thanks for that reply to Patrick W. about collecting in Alabama and Mississippi, Glenn. I thought you'd write something for him. I just returned home from spending Christmas in New Hampshire with my mother & family there. There was no white Christmas there, but plenty of it still waiting for me here in Colorado. Happily, I just missed the snowstorms both going and coming, and was able to travel both times, a day after (Saturday) the worst of the snow disruptions had ended. It didn't take very much digging to get my Jeep out of the snowbank where it was parked at the park-and-ride from which I shuttled to the airport--really just clearing away drift that was partly blocking the door--and I was able to drive right out. Helped push out a fellow in a light pickup truck that didn't have 4WD. While at my mom's home in Somersworth, NH, I had fun looking through several cartons of rocks & minerals I still have stored in her basement; things from Franklin, NJ (nothing really spectacular, though it includes a jar or two of the fluoresecent mill tailings sand from the Trotter dump), native copper in quartz from Adams County, PA, some serpentine from Montville, NJ and from SE PA, and a few assorted things from other mines in northern New Jersey. I brought back just a few specimens of special interest, and most will just stay there until another visit. I borrowed an ultraviolet light from an elderly couple in my brother-in-law's family who are not-so-active any more rockhounds but still belong to the local club, to look at my specimens. I didn't try to do any rock hunting (just visiting with family & friends), but I could have; there's been no snow at all in most of New England. Actually, no snow until I was leaving; it finally began snowing just as I was boarding my plane today in Manchester NH to go home; by the time we took off the runway was snow-covered and they had to de-ice the plane, and my mom reported they had 3 inches of snow during the afternoon. Ah, but now that I think about it, I did visit one local rock shop (Rochester, NH) and bought one specimen that I "couldn't do without"; a small-fist-size polished piece of jaspilite (no, that's not from New Hampshire; not sure if the piece I bought is from Michigan, Australia, or, _________? --- it wasn't labelled). So that's the snow and rock report from Colorado and New Hampshire. Wishing all a happy New Year, Pete Modreski =========================== Hello Patrick! Here is a bit of what I think is good avdvice: Contact the Alabama Museum of Natural History. My wife Jeanette and I have been on 2 trips fossil hunting through the museum. ... --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sat Dec 30 21:32:22 2006 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat Dec 30 21:30:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds List Duration References: <200612310200.kBV20k7J009353@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> OK, I suspect a few of you can beat this, but not many. I just discovered I have been a member of the Rockhounds list for 10 years as of yesterday. Pretty impressive. That is the longest continuous list membership I have had, bar none. Mike Flannigan ____________________________________________ Subject: Majordomo results: (no subject) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 05:07:34 +0000 From: Majordomo@infodyn.com To: mikeflann@worldnet.att.net -- >>>> info rockhounds-digest You have connected with the rockhounds-digest mailing list manager. Welcome to the "Rockhounds" mail alias, rockhounds-digest@infodyn.com. We formed this group to exchange ideas, collecting sites, tips, and other information of general interest to gem and mineral collectors. If you have just subscribed, as a way of introduction, I would like to suggest that you take the time in the next week or so to post a brief summary of your background and areas of interest, etc. We also have an information page on the World Wide Web. It's address is: http://www.rahul.net/infodyn/rockhounds/rockhounds.html The page contains, among other things: The archives from the "rockhounds@infodyn.com" mailing list. Links to: The mineral image server at the Smithsonian. The mineral image collection at the Technical University of Clausthal, Germany. The search engine for J. McDonald's mineral database. The Copper Country Mineral Guide to the Keweenau Peninsula. Other mineral image and earth science related web pages. To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send your request to "rockhounds-digest-request@infodyn.com". DO NOT send your request to the main list "rockhounds@infodyn.com" as it is broadcast to the entire list membership, none of whom can help you! For more information, send a HELP message to "rockhounds-digest-request@infodyn.com". If, after following these instructions, you are not successful, send email to "rockhounds-digest-owner@infodyn.com". I look forward to hearing from you in the coming weeks. Happy Collecting! ======================================================================== Thomas W. Corson Information Dynamics corson@infodyn.com 14407 Big Basin Way (Voice) 408-868-9700 Suite B (Fax) 408-868-0314 Saratoga, California 95070 WWW: http://www.rahul.net/infodyn/id_home.html => World Class Products For World Class Companies <= ======================================================================== >>>> >>>> From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Dec 30 21:54:09 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Dec 30 21:53:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds List Duration In-Reply-To: <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> References: <200612310200.kBV20k7J009353@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45975081.3010809@verizon.net> Mike Flannigan wrote: > OK, I suspect a few of you can beat this, but not many. > I just discovered I have been a member of the Rockhounds > list for 10 years as of yesterday. Pretty impressive. Excellent. I joined in 1997 or 1998, I can't remember exactly. Don H From turnea55 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 31 09:29:30 2006 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Sun Dec 31 09:30:02 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? In-Reply-To: <45973E54.775B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: If you're looking for rare minerals and rough prices online, check out http://www.excaliburmineral.com. Tony specializes in rare stuff and even has a mineral or two named for him. Also, http://www.dakotamatrix.com has some pretty rare stuff and has reasonable prices that you can compare. There are a few dealers (mostly Russian dealers) at Tucson, Costa Mesa, and the bigger shows that sell extremely rare stuff. We're talking really rare..as in I haven't heard of about 70% of what they have and some of the stuff is sold in tiny pill vials or microprobe mounts (often for over $100 too). When I started collecting minerals, I used to collect as many species and rare pieces as I could (still have a pretty extensive list of them). After a point I realized that I was basically one of a handful of people that could appreciate them. Even as a mineralogist/geologist, it became hard for me to justify spending $50+ to buy some 1cm ugly brown mineral when there is so many beautiful pieces I could get. Hence, I just purchased by 128th azurite specimen. I still collect the rare stuff (just got an agardite-La from Laurium, Greece), but only if it's something very unusual or has fantastic crystals. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:50:05 -0500 > >Don, > >My defination of a 'rare' mineral is one I don't yet have in my >collection. > >How much I will pay for a 'rare' mineral is based on my budget, and >market research on what is available. > >Look for comparable available specimens to get a feel for current >prices, or as a guide to set a price for your unique specimens. If no >matches are found, pick a price and hope for the best. > >Cut the price you find by (at least) 20% if you want to make sure it >sells. > >Kreigh > > > >DonH wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > At some point, I've seen a list of the rarest minerals posted on the > > Internet, and perhaps even on this list a long time ago. Does anyone > > have a current list, or know where a current list is posted? > > > > A friend of mine has acquired a parcel of type locality thumbnails and > > wants to sell them, reasonably, but doesn't want to be foolish either > > and sell a ~$200 specimen for $40. I've never even heard of most of the > > minerals on the list, but it is difficult to say how rare they are... > > and yes, we know that "rarity" can be a subjective term. > > > > Thanks, > > Don > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 31 10:47:59 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 31 10:32:41 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds List Duration References: <200612310200.kBV20k7J009353@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45980242.2563@Tomaszewski.net> Congrats on 10 years! Subject: subscribe rockhounds Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:08:03 -0400 From: Tomaszewski To: rockhounds-request@infodyn.com Mike Flannigan wrote: > > OK, I suspect a few of you can beat this, but not many. > I just discovered I have been a member of the Rockhounds > list for 10 years as of yesterday. Pretty impressive. > > That is the longest continuous list membership I have had, > bar none. > > Mike Flannigan > > ____________________________________________ > > Subject: Majordomo results: (no subject) > Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 05:07:34 +0000 > From: Majordomo@infodyn.com > To: mikeflann@worldnet.att.net > > -- > > >>>> info rockhounds-digest > You have connected with the rockhounds-digest mailing list manager. > > Welcome to the "Rockhounds" mail alias, rockhounds-digest@infodyn.com. > > We formed this group to exchange ideas, collecting sites, tips, and > other information of general interest to gem and mineral collectors. > > If you have just subscribed, as a way of introduction, I would like to > suggest that you take the time in the next week or so to post a brief > summary of your background and areas of interest, etc. > > We also have an information page on the World Wide Web. It's address > is: > > http://www.rahul.net/infodyn/rockhounds/rockhounds.html > > The page contains, among other things: > > The archives from the "rockhounds@infodyn.com" mailing list. > > Links to: > > The mineral image server at the Smithsonian. > > The mineral image collection at the Technical > University of Clausthal, Germany. > > The search engine for J. McDonald's mineral database. > > The Copper Country Mineral Guide to the Keweenau > Peninsula. > > Other mineral image and earth science related web > pages. > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list send your request to > "rockhounds-digest-request@infodyn.com". > > DO NOT send your request to the main list "rockhounds@infodyn.com" as > it is broadcast to the entire list membership, none of whom can help > you! > > For more information, send a HELP message to "rockhounds-digest-request@infodyn.com". > > If, after following these instructions, you are not successful, send > email to "rockhounds-digest-owner@infodyn.com". > > I look forward to hearing from you in the coming weeks. > > Happy Collecting! > > ======================================================================== > Thomas W. Corson Information Dynamics > corson@infodyn.com 14407 Big Basin Way > (Voice) 408-868-9700 Suite B > (Fax) 408-868-0314 Saratoga, California 95070 > > WWW: http://www.rahul.net/infodyn/id_home.html > > => World Class Products For World Class Companies <= > ======================================================================== > >>>> > >>>> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Dec 31 10:59:50 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Dec 31 10:58:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459808A6.9050900@verizon.net> Andrew Turner wrote: > If you're looking for rare minerals and rough prices online, check out > http://www.excaliburmineral.com. Tony specializes in rare stuff and > even has a mineral or two named for him. Hi all, Thanks for the responses--but I was specifically looking for that list because the owner wanted to know if any of his minerals were on that list. From mineral.maertens at att.net Sun Dec 31 11:44:58 2006 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Dec 31 11:54:36 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ Collecting Millington Quarry In-Reply-To: <200612270205.kBR24glW001817@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry and other friends, There are legal ways to collect minerals lawfully in Tilcon's Quarries including the Millington Quarry. The quarry's accessible/quarriable material is indeed shrinking (I can share pictures of the annual progress) and there are only a few years left. The operator has filed plans for post-quarry operation with the township. The Morris Museum Mineralogical Society obtains authorization to collect in the Millington Quarry, Somerset County, NJ In Fall this year, we collected calcite, prehnite, apophyllite, natrolite (50mm xls!), pyrite, sphalerite, pectolite (100mm+ balls), datolite and an unidentified mineral. While New Jersey's fresh mining and quarrying locations are dwindling fast, legal collecting access has shriveled close to nil. Pressure by money hungry dealers has let to unlawful collecting and some court cases. I can trade or sell legally collected trap rock minerals at your request. Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Sun Dec 31 12:01:00 2006 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sun Dec 31 12:01:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds List Duration In-Reply-To: <45980242.2563@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <008001c72d16$64e973a0$6501a8c0@okapi> I don't have my registration note, but here's something I found in an OLD archive of my notes: ------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: ..... Subject: Re: Lets trade! Reply-To: rockhounds@infodyn.com (The rockhounds mailing list) ------------------ So... That makes it since '95 for me. Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From kugeln at msn.com Sun Dec 31 12:05:58 2006 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Sun Dec 31 12:06:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) References: <001301c72c92$4c6bf7a0$45faf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: Well, I don't have an axe to grind, but the "extinguishing" of species at God's hands is a problem with which Agassiz and his generation wrestled, the problem being that God would NOT extinguish species, only create them; God as Creator, not Destroyer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) I agree with Glenn, and would add that I don't see a conflict between evolution and religion. God may have chosen evolution as the method of differentiating, improving, and extinguishing species. Where I disagree is with those who take literally what a "year" is and claim the earth is only ~6,000 years old when the evidence is clear that it's much, much older. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Wimpee To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) The geological record is long and convincing as we all know. Most creationists seem to miss that if God is capable of anything and that thing about a second being like 10,000 years, then He must understand physics and chemistry better than any of us, and could well have used intelligent design in the creation of this world. We should be careful that as scientists we deny any theory that doesn't seem to fit what we have been taught. The world is not flat and this tiny planet is not the center of the universe. My 2 cents. Glenn --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Dec 31 12:09:45 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Dec 31 12:09:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ Collecting Millington Quarry References: Message-ID: <000a01c72d17$9e83bd40$1b2bd64c@LarryRush> Thank you, Johan: It is refreshing to see that there is still some legal collecting still available there! Tilcon is far less cooperative with collectors and clubs in Connecticut! We have been fortunate to be what may be the last field collectors to enjoy such privileges in this area, at least for working quarries. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Maertens" To: Cc: ""Lawrence Rush"" Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ Collecting Millington Quarry > Hi Larry and other friends, > > There are legal ways to collect minerals lawfully in Tilcon's > Quarries including the Millington Quarry. > > The quarry's accessible/quarriable material is indeed shrinking (I > can share pictures of the annual progress) and there are only a few > years left. The operator has filed plans for post-quarry operation > with the township. > The Morris Museum Mineralogical Society obtains authorization to > collect in the Millington Quarry, Somerset County, NJ > In Fall this year, we collected calcite, prehnite, apophyllite, > natrolite (50mm xls!), pyrite, sphalerite, pectolite (100mm+ balls), > datolite and an unidentified mineral. > > While New Jersey's fresh mining and quarrying locations are dwindling > fast, legal collecting access has shriveled close to nil. > Pressure by money hungry dealers has let to unlawful collecting and > some court cases. > > I can trade or sell legally collected trap rock minerals at your > request. > > Johan Maertens > mineral dot maertens at att dot net > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 31 12:56:19 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 31 12:40:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? References: <459808A6.9050900@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45982045.8DB@Tomaszewski.net> Don, If you take an IMA list of approved minerals and sort it by date of discovery, and kept the 1/4 newest minerals you might have such a list. If they weren't rare, why has it taken so long to discover them? Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Andrew Turner wrote: > > > If you're looking for rare minerals and rough prices online, check out > > http://www.excaliburmineral.com. Tony specializes in rare stuff and > > even has a mineral or two named for him. > > Hi all, > > Thanks for the responses--but I was specifically looking for that list > because the owner wanted to know if any of his minerals were on that list. From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Dec 31 21:09:36 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Dec 31 21:09:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Happy New Year! Message-ID: <45989787.5EDC@Tomaszewski.net> I hope 2006 ROCKed for you, and that 2007 is an even better collecting year! Kreigh From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 31 22:25:04 2006 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Sun Dec 31 22:25:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson Show AAPS dinner Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20061231222005.01eecfe0@sbcglobal.net> Can anyone give me the firm time and date of the American of Applied Paleontological Society dinner in Tucson? I believe that the date is February 1, at 6:00 PM at the U. of A. Student Union. Is that correct? Thanks for your help. Glen Miller