From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 04:04:22 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 1 04:04:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] photography In-Reply-To: <001e01c626fd$af966bd0$c899b2d1@TheBlackAdder> References: <001e01c626fd$af966bd0$c899b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: It seems to have some good info, especially if you ignore their sales efforts. BK On 2/1/06, Erich Kern wrote: > > > BK, > > Many thanks for posting this link. The info on this site shows some > techniques I > haven't seen before, and opens up new possibilites in mineral photography. > > Erich Kern > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:12 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] photography > > > I know there is some interest in photography on the list and someone put > up > to a link on a photography list that I'm on which has info on jewelry > photography and small object photography in general. > > http://www.tabletopstudio.com/documents/HowTo_page.htm > > BK > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From t.kloprogge at qut.edu.au Wed Feb 1 09:26:50 2006 From: t.kloprogge at qut.edu.au (Theo Kloprogge) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:27:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Hi rockhounders Just a short message to let you know that my minerals website has gone online: www.mineralatlas.com. It is a work in progress so check on regular basis to see what has been added. At this stage there are about 60.000 mineral photos of around 2000 minerals. In the next year we will start adding additional data on optical properties and vibrational spectroscopy (Infrared and Raman spectroscopy). Cheers, Theo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ {quot}Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself form a world. The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man`s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy{quot} (from The myth of Sisyphus, Camus) Dr. J.T. Kloprogge Inorganic Materials Research Group School of Physical and Chemical Sciences Room E508, Gardens Point Campus, Queensland University of Technology CRICOS No: 00213J 2 George Street GPO Box 2434 Brisbane Q4001 Australia tel: +61 7 3864 2184 fax: +61 7 3864 1804 email: t.kloprogge@qut.edu.au (private theoloes@bigpond.net.au) http://src.sci.qut.edu.au/programs/inorganic_materials Adjunct Professor, Dept. Geosciences, Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, U.S. Secretary General Assocation Internationale pour l'Etude d'Argile (International Association for the study of clays) AIPEA website: http://aipea.org Check out my mineralogy website at: http://www.mineralatlas.com For copies of manuscripts Please go to QUT eprint http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Kloprogge,_Theo.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From albalmer at att.net Wed Feb 1 09:47:18 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:47:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <43E0F426.7060605@att.net> Theo Kloprogge wrote: > > Hi rockhounders > > > Just a short message to let you know that my minerals website has gone > online: > > www.mineralatlas.com. It is a work in progress so check on regular > basis to see what has been added. At this stage there are about 60.000 > mineral photos of around 2000 minerals. In the next year we will start > adding additional data on optical properties and vibrational spectroscopy > (Infrared and Raman spectroscopy). > Looks like a fantastic resource. Thank you. From tfa at brickengraver.com Wed Feb 1 10:15:29 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:15:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <000601c6275b$7be59af0$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> OMG--THAT IS SOOOOO AWESOME. CONGRATS ON AN INCREDIBLE RESOURCE. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 http://www.brickengraver.com The search is what anyone would undertake if he were not sunk in the everydayness of his own life. To become aware of the possibility of the search is to be onto something. Not to be onto something is to be in despair. Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Theo Kloprogge Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:27 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online Hi rockhounders Just a short message to let you know that my minerals website has gone online: www.mineralatlas.com. It is a work in progress so check on regular basis to see what has been added. At this stage there are about 60.000 mineral photos of around 2000 minerals. In the next year we will start adding additional data on optical properties and vibrational spectroscopy (Infrared and Raman spectroscopy). Cheers, Theo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- {quot}Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself form a world. The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man`s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy{quot} (from The myth of Sisyphus, Camus) Dr. J.T. Kloprogge Inorganic Materials Research Group School of Physical and Chemical Sciences Room E508, Gardens Point Campus, Queensland University of Technology CRICOS No: 00213J 2 George Street GPO Box 2434 Brisbane Q4001 Australia tel: +61 7 3864 2184 fax: +61 7 3864 1804 email: t.kloprogge@qut.edu.au (private theoloes@bigpond.net.au) http://src.sci.qut.edu.au/programs/inorganic_materials Adjunct Professor, Dept. Geosciences, Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, U.S. Secretary General Assocation Internationale pour l'Etude d'Argile (International Association for the study of clays) AIPEA website: http://aipea.org Check out my mineralogy website at: http://www.mineralatlas.com For copies of manuscripts Please go to QUT eprint http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Kloprogge,_Theo.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 1 10:38:46 2006 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:41:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <001701c6275e$c1b91860$0200a8c0@warren> Wow. > > Just a short message to let you know that my minerals website has gone > online: > > www.mineralatlas.com. It is a work in progress so check on regular > basis to see what has been added. At this stage there are about 60.000 > mineral photos of around 2000 minerals. In the next year we will start > adding additional data on optical properties and vibrational spectroscopy > (Infrared and Raman spectroscopy). > > Cheers, > > > Theo From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 12:04:25 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:04:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini collecting trip and gunpowder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glenn, In 1999, when I was in Monroe Co., across the river from Clark Co., I also noticed some interesting road cuts. I didn't have time to check them out and I couldn't get any local information. My impression was there are very few rockhounds in that area. In the landscaping gravel at the Monroeville Days Inn I picked up a few interesting pieces, but I can't remember any details. When I mentoned rocks to people back there they thought I was just another weird guy from California. Maybe they are right. Grant On 1/31/06, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > I had occasion to travel to Clarke County Alabama for work today and when finished with that took a turn on the Salt Works Road near Jackson. > I only had a few minutes to spare so limitied my search to a couple of spots I had previously visited. > > A fellow club member had gone to the area but not found anything of note. > > Peering out the window of my company Ford Ranger, I quickly spotted a thin vein of Alabama agate, got out and picked up a few very small pieces, mostly to give to my friend. > I rolled along a bit more and spotted a clam shell cast on some limestone on the bank of the dirt road. I picked it up and there is also a spiral (conk?) shell protruding slightly. Can't wait to clean that out to reveal more! > BTW, today was the final day of deer season so I wore my orange cap even in the edge of the road. > > The fossils got me excited and I walked a very short way along an old side road now washed with several 2-3 feet deep erosion runs in the red clay. Gravel, small bits of agate, broken limestone, and sandstone pieces were plentiful. So were deer tracks! I gave up the hunt due to quickly losing sunlight, but I will return to the site in the future. > As for gunpowder smell, like most southern and rural men, I have hunted. Practiced with rifle, shotgun, and pistol. Also shot skeet. But they don't have much taste, and the only way to get 'em down is to grind 'em into powder and mix in your favorite drink. Heavy on the drink and very light on the skeet powder..... > Glenn > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 place, including PC security! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > From jaybates at rcn.com Wed Feb 1 12:33:57 2006 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:31:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mini collecting trip and gunpowder References: Message-ID: <000b01c6276e$d4094160$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Any time you want some skeeters for your drinks let me know. My friend "Sourdough Boy Bob" can send you some from Alaska. Dehydrated skeeters do add bite to your stingers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Johnston" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mini collecting trip and gunpowder > Glenn, > > In 1999, when I was in Monroe Co., across the river from Clark Co., I > also noticed some interesting road cuts. I didn't have time to check > them out and I couldn't get any local information. My impression was > there are very few rockhounds in that area. In the landscaping gravel > at the Monroeville Days Inn I picked up a few interesting pieces, but > I can't remember any details. > > When I mentoned rocks to people back there they thought I was just > another weird guy from California. Maybe they are right. > > Grant > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From SMKELL45 at aol.com Wed Feb 1 18:12:40 2006 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:13:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Francon Quarry Message-ID: <25e.61e4790.3112c498@aol.com> Yes, Dresserite. Fits the fluorescing and phosphorescing parameters, and the location. smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 1 19:22:28 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 1 20:19:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <43E17A2B.1A4A@Tomaszewski.net> Theo, Thank you for adding an awesome resource to our community, and I look forward to the additions you have planned. Kreigh Theo Kloprogge wrote: > > Hi rockhounders > > Just a short message to let you know that my minerals website has gone > online: > > www.mineralatlas.com. It is a work in progress so check on regular > basis to see what has been added. At this stage there are about 60.000 > mineral photos of around 2000 minerals. In the next year we will start > adding additional data on optical properties and vibrational spectroscopy > (Infrared and Raman spectroscopy). > > Cheers, > > Theo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > {quot}Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled > mountain, in itself form a world. The struggle itself towards the heights > is enough to fill a man`s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy{quot} > > (from The myth of Sisyphus, Camus) > > Dr. J.T. Kloprogge > > Inorganic Materials Research Group > > School of Physical and Chemical Sciences > > Room E508, Gardens Point Campus, Queensland University of Technology > > CRICOS No: 00213J > > 2 George Street > > GPO Box 2434 > > Brisbane Q4001 > > Australia > > tel: +61 7 3864 2184 > > fax: +61 7 3864 1804 > > email: t.kloprogge@qut.edu.au (private > theoloes@bigpond.net.au) > > http://src.sci.qut.edu.au/programs/inorganic_materials > > Adjunct Professor, Dept. Geosciences, Texas Tech University, > Lubbock, Texas, U.S. > > Secretary General Assocation Internationale pour l'Etude d'Argile > (International Association for the study of clays) > > AIPEA website: > http://aipea.org > > Check out my mineralogy website > at: > > http://www.mineralatlas.com > > For copies of manuscripts > > Please go to QUT eprint > > http://eprints.qut.edu.au/view/person/Kloprogge,_Theo.html From rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com Thu Feb 2 11:19:51 2006 From: rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com (RockHounds: The Movie) Date: Thu Feb 2 11:19:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Today's Tucson Citizen Issue Message-ID: I am looking for a copy of today's (2/2/06) issue of the Tucson Citizen. I was wondering if there is anyone at the Tucson Show now who could mail me a copy. Please e-mail me off-list. I am more then willing to pay postage, etc. or to trade, so please let me know. Thanks, Todd Kent _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Feb 2 13:09:25 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:09:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Today's Tucson Citizen - online Message-ID: <020220062109.3465.43E27504000C354600000D89216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I don't how many of you on the List have tried to go online to see this, but it is all online in today's issue of the Tucson Citizen, and they have a wonderful group of stories and images posted from the current gem shows. The home url is http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ and don't miss their slide show of images at ("Gem shows 2006", under "Photo Galleries", on the right side of the home page), and these stories & pictures: http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/020206a4_gemshow_wildart http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/intucson/living/020206_gem_show pretty cool! Todd, glad you mentioned it, about today's paper. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "RockHounds: The Movie" : -------------- > I am looking for a copy of today's (2/2/06) issue of the Tucson Citizen. I > was wondering if there is anyone at the Tucson Show now who could mail me a > copy. Please e-mail me off-list. > > I am more then willing to pay postage, etc. or to trade, so please let me > know. Thanks, > > Todd Kent > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From timeman123 at optonline.net Thu Feb 2 14:34:33 2006 From: timeman123 at optonline.net (Robert A. Santee) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:34:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] manganese nodules Message-ID: <002401c60fec$c0e92080$0d1a5543@rsantee> Hi can anybody help me out i am looking to get a manganese nodule for a school project,need info thanks. From rpr at heidelberg.edu Thu Feb 2 18:52:58 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Thu Feb 2 18:53:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Larry Hughes, calcite In-Reply-To: <001b01c613ad$ea72f470$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> References: <001b01c613ad$ea72f470$456eca0c@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: Hi, Can someone give me an email address for Larry Hughes, a student of calcite morphology located somewhere in the southeast? Thanks, Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From pbhewitt at comcast.net Fri Feb 3 08:46:10 2006 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:46:38 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] microscope cameras References: <20060130041019.3889.qmail@web33406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c628e1$591467e0$04000100@maingear> I have a Nikon stero microscope that I use a lot to view mineral specimens. I want to get good pictures through the scope. I tried an adaptor for my digital camera and the results were less than satisfactory. So I bought a Micrometrics 122CU camera from a company called Precision World off of Ebay. Again the results were less than satisfactory. I don't mind spending money on something that will suit my needs. Does anyone have any recommendations for a better camera that will work with my scope? The eyepieces are 30.5 mm. Paul From danielz at acmenet.net Fri Feb 3 09:41:19 2006 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Fri Feb 3 09:41:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] microscope cameras Message-ID: <000301c628e9$0b011870$6401a8c0@M1Garand> I use the old Intel Play microscope which plugs directly into the computer via a USB port. This is no longer produced, but you can probably still find one on the net somewhere. If you are using Windows XP, then you don't need to install the Intel software, which is oriented towards kids. XP recognizes the microscope as a camera, so you can import directly into Photoshop or other Windows programs. I would recommend adding more high-intensity lighting on your specimens when using this scope. -dan z- - - Protect your civil rights! Let the politicians know how you feel. Join or donate to the NRA today! http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 10:27:58 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:28:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals and supplies Message-ID: <20060203182758.93879.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sauktown Sales' price list will be updated later today with more unusual species. I'm also adding something new to the supplies page: gelatin capsules. These are useful for storing and shipping very small samples, and for mounting powders and sands. I'm also setting up a separate list of specimens I have for TRADE ONLY. These are generally very small specimens. This list isn't on the website, but can be sent as a Word or HTML attachment to anyone requesting it. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aliciaw61 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 10:59:40 2006 From: aliciaw61 at yahoo.com (Alicia Williams) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:59:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) In-Reply-To: <20060203182758.93879.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060203185940.23783.qmail@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just bought my tumbler. A three pound dual drum tumbler. It ran nicely for about 36 hours then stopped. The motor runs but the shaft wont. What am I doing wrong. It was oiled before starting. thank you in advance (TIA) alicia --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pbhewitt at comcast.net Fri Feb 3 11:04:23 2006 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:04:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) Message-ID: <000501c628f4$a572c010$04000100@maingear> Is it a Lortone tumbler? If so there is a belt that goes from the motor to a pulley that drives the shaft. You may have gotten oil on the belt which would stop it from doing its job. There is a small cover on the bottom of the unit held on by one screw (if I remember right). Take that cover off and see what is going on with the belt. On 2/3/2006 1:59:40 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > I just bought my tumbler. A three pound dual drum tumbler. > It ran nicely for about 36 hours then stopped. The motor runs but the > shaft wont. > What am I doing wrong. It was oiled before starting. > thank you in advance (TIA) > alicia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 11:09:00 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:09:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) In-Reply-To: <20060203185940.23783.qmail@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060203182758.93879.qmail@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060203185940.23783.qmail@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you mean the motor is running but the motor shaft is frozen in place or that the belt is not turning? If it is the belt then you are probably getting slippage on the pulleys. But if the shaft is not turning at all then you certainly need to call whoever you bought it from and probably return it. BK On 2/3/06, Alicia Williams wrote: > > I just bought my tumbler. A three pound dual drum tumbler. > It ran nicely for about 36 hours then stopped. The motor runs but the > shaft wont. > What am I doing wrong. It was oiled before starting. > thank you in advance (TIA) > alicia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From aliciaw61 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 3 11:21:11 2006 From: aliciaw61 at yahoo.com (Alicia Williams) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:21:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) In-Reply-To: <000501c628f4$a572c010$04000100@maingear> Message-ID: <20060203192111.62482.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes it is a Lortone. thank you I will do that. Paul wrote: Is it a Lortone tumbler? If so there is a belt that goes from the motor to a pulley that drives the shaft. You may have gotten oil on the belt which would stop it from doing its job. There is a small cover on the bottom of the unit held on by one screw (if I remember right). Take that cover off and see what is going on with the belt. On 2/3/2006 1:59:40 PM, Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) wrote: > I just bought my tumbler. A three pound dual drum tumbler. > It ran nicely for about 36 hours then stopped. The motor runs but the > shaft wont. > What am I doing wrong. It was oiled before starting. > thank you in advance (TIA) > alicia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 3 11:31:09 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:31:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad.- Magnet Cove Minerals References: Message-ID: <000801c628f8$7f7eba90$328c4c0c@LarryRush> List members may recall that I was trying to help a deceased friend from Magnet Cove, Arkansas dispose of his collection last year. The main collection is sold, but there are well over 10,000 Magnet Cove minerals left which I will offer, in any quantity, to anyone interested. These are the classic minerals from the Cove, including Rutile (plus eightlings), Perovskite (Dysanolyte), Anatase, Brookite, Acmite, Magnetite, and the rare zirconium garnet; Kimzeyite, (all mostly TN and min. size). Some are on a smoky quartz crystal matrix. As you know, Cove minerals are almost all black in color, and are opaque. They are NOT beautiful, in the classic crystal sense, but they are unique and some are rare. The collecting sites for these are long since closed. Also, Wavellite (any size), and many small, beautiful clear quartz clusters from Arkansas (TN to Min.) I don't have prices yet, but plan to ask for reasonable amounts, just in order to get the quantity down to a manageable size. If anyone thinks they may be interested in any of these, please let me know (off-list), and I will give costs. Thanks......Larry Rush ConnRox Minerals From jaybates at rcn.com Fri Feb 3 11:35:42 2006 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:32:38 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) References: <20060203185940.23783.qmail@web31815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c628f9$05b2a7c0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Alica, you might try asking at this website that is devoted to tumbling. http://andy321.proboards48.com/index.cgi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia Williams" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) > I just bought my tumbler. A three pound dual drum tumbler. > It ran nicely for about 36 hours then stopped. The motor runs but the shaft wont. > What am I doing wrong. It was oiled before starting. > thank you in advance (TIA) > alicia > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds From danielz at acmenet.net Fri Feb 3 11:52:43 2006 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:53:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help on dual drum tumbler (Chicago) Message-ID: <000301c628fb$673644f0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> The late Lortones that I received at the shop usually had the belt pulleys misaligned, which would cause the belt to run off the pulleys in a short time. If the belt is whole, but not where it is supposed to be, you might check this. The pulleys should be exactly in line with each other. If not, loosen the allen-head set screw on the motor pulley. Install the belt and turn the drum drive shaft pulley by hand a few times. The motor pulley should slide up or down the shaft until it lines up properly. Hold it there and tighten the set screw. While doing all this, make sure no lubricant is on the belt or the pulleys. You can clean them with alcohol if necessary. Of course the other alternative is that the belt broke. If the dealer had it in stock too long, this is a possibility. The belts do dry out. It is also possible to break the belt by plugging in the machine while loaded drums are in place. As the directions say, start the machine and then place the drums in position. If all else fails, contact Lortone. They are wonderful people who absolutely stand behind their products. -dan z- Former owner of the Many Facets Rock Shop - - Protect your civil rights! Let the politicians know how you feel. Join or donate to the NRA today! http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Feb 3 16:33:10 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 3 16:33:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] minerals website online In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: Impressive! And now on my favorite sites list. Glenn From: Theo Kloprogge t.kloprogge@qut.edu.au www.mineralatlas.com . It is a work in progress so check on regular basis to see what has been added. At this stage there are about 60.000 mineral photos of around 2000 minerals. Theo ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Feb 5 00:20:05 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Feb 5 00:20:11 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip pre-report Message-ID: <20060205082005.24888.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All: My wife and I have visited Arizona (my cousin Vicki lives near Bisbee, AZ) including the Chiricahua National Monument and Tucson, where I spent 2 days at the Innsuites and Smugglers Inn shows. We're now in Kona, HI, and plan to travel to Volcano National Park tomorrow. I saw my first lava tube today! My cousin, Daniel lives here, so costs are lower than you might think. I'm using Daniel's iBook, which is tiny and slow, so I plan to write a more complete report after returning home next Thursday... There was a 12-14 foot high Pterodactyl skeleton in the yard at the Innsuites show, for example! I shipped 3 boxes of material (2 of rocks and one of books) home via UPS... So stay tuned! JR in WV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Feb 5 14:29:19 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Feb 5 14:29:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200602052210.k15MAncC013280@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20060205222919.26942.qmail@web60817.mail.yahoo.com> Dan Z- thanks for the recommendation this morning on intel microscopes. I was seeking a microscope today and read your post, read up on them, and bid for one. thanks, tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Feb 5 15:02:09 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:00:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <43E683F1.5010006@verizon.net> Hi all, Yes I have an easy question for once. A lot of my research involves, or will involve, polishing minerals to a flat surface. I would also like to someday get back into lapidary as a hobby, which is how I got started in this in the first place. Our department doesn't have its own polishing equipment and we need to borrow time on someone else's (and I thought I had escaped that weird culture so prominent in the corporate world). However it would be so much better if we had our own polishing lap, though I am having trouble convincing anyone to put up the money. Now I see they are not that expensive, and when I'm a little more financially stable I would rather just get my own, that way I can take it with me when I leave. I have been looking at the Crystalite and All-U-Need 8" laps. They both look about the same, but the Crystalite is so much more, and seems to have a few more bells and whistles. Does anyone know if the All-U-Need takes flat screwback discs, the kind with a totally flat top surface and no arbor or nut sticking up? The Crystalite definitely does. Also, the Crystalite advertises variable speed, while All-U-Need doesn't say anything about that. If the All-U-Need has a "standard 1/2 inch arbor hole or a 1/4-20 threaded shaft," then maybe I can buy some discs from Crystalite that are not available from All-U-Need, and use those? The questions above aren't answered by the website. I have a small submersible water pump so I'm not worried about the cooling system; that has no affect on my decision. Thanks, Don From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Sun Feb 5 15:36:15 2006 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Sun Feb 5 15:36:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? Message-ID: <20060205233615.40279.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My husband wants to go on an Alaska cruise and land tour in August. Is there anyone out there that can give me some idea if there are places to rock pick there? If so, what would be available? We will also have coastline available to us. One of our stops will have panning for us to try. Thanks for your help. June --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Sun Feb 5 16:07:20 2006 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 5 16:07:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> <43E683F1.5010006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <003001c62ab1$4ca86480$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> I have an 8" All-U-Need and use a Crystalite screwback on it. It does work. I really like my AUN, but I wish I had a Genie.....maybe someday. The Genie would be easier on my wrists. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" > Hi all, > > I have been looking at the Crystalite and All-U-Need 8" laps. They both > look about the same, but the Crystalite is so much more, and seems to have > a few more bells and whistles. > > Does anyone know if the All-U-Need takes flat screwback discs, the kind > with a totally flat top surface and no arbor or nut sticking up? The > Crystalite definitely does. Also, the Crystalite advertises variable > speed, while All-U-Need doesn't say anything about that. > > From smtravis at plateautel.net Sun Feb 5 18:31:42 2006 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:31:44 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap References: <6.2.1.2.2.20060202032634.0d7eec00@pop.qut.edu.au> <43E683F1.5010006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901c62ac5$7797d180$259e5a40@marilyn> I don't have an all you need I have had genies and I like them especially since you can get a used one and put new wheels on it. Eastwood wheels are much cheaper. but what I would say is that variable speed is very important to getting a nice polish. If you can get a used geni and put new wheels on it you can save a few bucks. and get a good machine. It is too bad that you cant just put a reostat on a electric motor and slow it down. Grind fast sand medium and polish on a slower speed. = good results. polishing flats are no different but using a flat wheel is important there are lots of machines out there that use flat grinding and sanding and polishing pads and many lapidaries like them. if you are having trouble with scratches rotate the stone 90 degrees between sanding grits and you can see if you are getting a smoothe surface on your last sand and or if you need to go back for more. all the best Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap > > Hi all, > > Yes I have an easy question for once. A lot of my research involves, or > will involve, polishing minerals to a flat surface. I would also like to > someday get back into lapidary as a hobby, which is how I got started in > this in the first place. > > Our department doesn't have its own polishing equipment and we need to > borrow time on someone else's (and I thought I had escaped that weird > culture so prominent in the corporate world). However it would be so much > better if we had our own polishing lap, though I am having trouble > convincing anyone to put up the money. Now I see they are not that > expensive, and when I'm a little more financially stable I would rather > just get my own, that way I can take it with me when I leave. > > I have been looking at the Crystalite and All-U-Need 8" laps. They both > look about the same, but the Crystalite is so much more, and seems to have > a few more bells and whistles. > > Does anyone know if the All-U-Need takes flat screwback discs, the kind > with a totally flat top surface and no arbor or nut sticking up? The > Crystalite definitely does. Also, the Crystalite advertises variable > speed, while All-U-Need doesn't say anything about that. > > If the All-U-Need has a "standard 1/2 inch arbor hole or a 1/4-20 threaded > shaft," then maybe I can buy some discs from Crystalite that are not > available from All-U-Need, and use those? > > The questions above aren't answered by the website. > > I have a small submersible water pump so I'm not worried about the cooling > system; that has no affect on my decision. > > Thanks, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From mineral.maertens at att.net Sun Feb 5 18:51:28 2006 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:55:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] microscope cameras In-Reply-To: <200602052210.k15MAnc9013280@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: No personal experience yet. Too many optics in a camera and microscope to get optimal picture quality. Consider: Digital/electronic microscopes Most look like a regular microscope with junk videocamera built-in. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=digital+microscope&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF -8&start=10&sa=N microscopeworld.com http://microscope-depot.com/digital.asp http://www.digital-microscope.org Low resolution: up to 712x582 pixels Digital Blue QX3+ Computer Microscope (Intel) aka digital microscopes from National Optical Model DC3-420T $1390 (microscopeworld.com) Digital Binocular Stereo Microscope & Software. Medium res. camera. W-02400 $549.95 (microscope-depot.com) Incl. bottom light Digital Binocular Stereo Microscope & Software. T-02100 $1,389.95 (microscope-depot.com). Incl. bottom light BroDigit, need RCA video caputure to computer tool Moticam: http://www.motic.com/ap/eng/products/NEW_PRODUCTS/camspecification.ht ml The Moticam 1300 has 1280 x 1024 image versus a Coolpix 995 that has a 2048 X 1536 pixel tiff image at it highest resolution. Ignore: http://www.greatscopes.com/3090.htm; The 3090 Digital AccuScope http://www.proscope.net The ProScope is a handheld Digital USB Microscope. The scope is 72 dpi, 640 x 480, in millions of colors. It is meant to be a general purpose microscope. http://www.mic-d.com MIC-D digital microscope. 30 mm working distance only! Resolution level 310K-pixel VGA (640x480 pixel). Imaging device: 1/3-inch CMOS color digital camera, pixel size 5.4x4(mm), USB connection $795 http://www.zarbeco.com/infinity_usb_cameras.htm Infinity series USB cameras. The Infinity 1 camera provides 1.3 megapixels (1280 x 1024 pixels) at 15 frames/seconds with total control over brightness, contrast, exposure, color and white balance. The Infinity X adds the ability to capture images at 21 megapixels (5120 x 4096 pixels) through a patented pixel-shifting technology. http://microscopeworld.com/digital/DAC3-CoolPix-compare.htm The National digital cameras and integrated digital microscopes (DC series) can capture images up to an image size of 640X480. The Nikon CoolPix can capture up to an image size up to 2048X1536. With the CoolPix, you will capture a better image but you will have to purchase additional software for analysis. If you need more image quality than the National products can provide (640X480) you should use a standard microscope and the consumer digital camera like the CoolPix. The digital camera solution will cost more and it is somewhat more cumbersome transferring images from the camera to your computer but the camera can also be used for other things. http://www.microscopeworld.com/video/vidflex.htm MC-1000 Digital Camera Kit $399 The MC-1000 Digital Camera Kit is our latest addition and we know you will want one! Unlike the earlier digital imaging devices below which use a CCD pickup device, the MC-1000 uses a 1.3 Megapixel CMOS chip and is capable of displaying live or captured images up to 1280X1024. It has a 10 foot cable and connects to a USB 2.0 port on your computer. With the software, you can get a full screen live image on your monitor. These images can be captured as bmp, jpg or tiff files and accurate measurements can be made on them using your mouse. If you need more resolution (1600X1200), choose our MC-2000 (below). Both models include adapters which will allow you to connect up to just about any microscope. They utilize the newer USB 2.0 data bus and they include a USB 2.0 card (PCI) if you "need the speed". MC- 2000 Digital Camera Kits $899 The MC-2000 Digital Camera Kit is also a new addition. When you need more resolution than the MC-1000 can provide, choose the MC-2000. It employs a 2.0 MegaPixel CMOS chip and provides a maximum resolution of 1600X1200. It includes the same powerful Images 2000 software, calibration slides and eyepiece lens adapters. In additon to all the accessories supplied with the MC-1000, the MC-2000 has a universal "C" mount adapter that will mate the camera to the trinocular port on most microscopes (23 or 30mm diameter tubes). The "MC" cameras require relatively fast computers and a USB 2.0 connection. If your computer doesn't h Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Feb 5 19:59:20 2006 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Feb 5 19:59:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska - TWO earthquakes In-Reply-To: <20060205233615.40279.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060205233615.40279.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43E6C998.10209@rcn.com> I just heard on channel 27 the Weather Channel Two quakes in Alaska I did not get the specifics their "blurbs" are fast and short. One quake was 178 miles (north? of Fairbanks GeorgiaO I will check the USGS web site. From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Feb 5 20:15:36 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Feb 5 20:15:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? References: <20060205233615.40279.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c62ad3$fba023c0$5a97b2d1@TheBlackAdder> We took the 5 day Cruise West tour of Price William sound two years ago because they use small boats, and no dress-up for dinner which I will not do. See http://www.cruisewest.com for details. There were 70 passengers aboard, casual dress at all times, the food was great, live lecture on clam farming with tasting, we got much closer to the face of the glaciers than the big cruise ships can. Onshore trips to various small coastal communities; I recommend it. We passed several small islands where there had been mining at one time, but unfortunately no stop for specimen collecting. In the Anchorage phone book there was ONE rock shop listed, and we drove there in our rental car, but the address housed a plumbing shop which was closed. A photography shop had Wrangell garnets in the window, so we stopped in and bought some. I'd make your onshore plans independently of the cruise trip, as I don't see how they could fit and still get you some collecting activity in. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? My husband wants to go on an Alaska cruise and land tour in August. Is there anyone out there that can give me some idea if there are places to rock pick there? If so, what would be available? We will also have coastline available to us. One of our stops will have panning for us to try. Thanks for your help. June --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From aliciaw61 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 5 20:20:05 2006 From: aliciaw61 at yahoo.com (Alicia Williams) Date: Sun Feb 5 20:20:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska - TWO earthquakes In-Reply-To: <43E6C998.10209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20060206042005.25995.qmail@web31810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes both today Magnitude 5.1 - NORTHERN ALASKA Magnitude 5.3 - KENAI PENINSULA, ALASKA Frederick Olmstead wrote: I just heard on channel 27 the Weather Channel Two quakes in Alaska I did not get the specifics their "blurbs" are fast and short. One quake was 178 miles (north? of Fairbanks GeorgiaO I will check the USGS web site. _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Feb 5 20:50:28 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 5 20:50:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake link Message-ID: This link is amazing for earthquake info. I am amazed at the geologic shifting going on every day on our planet. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/ Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Rocknlight at aol.com Sun Feb 5 23:14:37 2006 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 5 23:14:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap Message-ID: <2ba.40fe10d.3118515d@aol.com> Carefully evaluate Covington Engineering... Get their catalog, call them and see their website.. As I recall they have some rather inventive lap ideas. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Feb 6 00:16:18 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Feb 6 00:14:38 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap In-Reply-To: <2ba.40fe10d.3118515d@aol.com> References: <2ba.40fe10d.3118515d@aol.com> Message-ID: <43E705D2.4080507@verizon.net> Rocknlight@aol.com wrote: > Carefully evaluate Covington Engineering... Get their catalog, call them and > see their website.. As I recall they have some rather inventive lap ideas. And expensive! I bookmarked the page however. Thanks to everyone for the on- and off-list answers, I have a handle on the situation now. best, Don From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Mon Feb 6 02:24:52 2006 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Mon Feb 6 02:24:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap In-Reply-To: <000901c62ac5$7797d180$259e5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <200602061024.k16AOPus056939@cti41.citenet.net> Good Morning, We started off with the Ameritool flat lap and was very pleased with it. We still use it for cab backs. You can see it at: http://www.ameritool-inc.com/store/category.cfm?Category=4 For replacement Steel laps we use the ones from Daniel Lopaki, good price and a very reasonable lifespan. http://lopacki.com/flatlaps/ We personally prefer the steel laps for the rough grinding ( available up to 1200 grit) For replacement PSA lap pads we have used both the pads from Lopaki (he resells the eastwind ones) and also ordered direct from them. http://lopacki.com/belts/ http://www.eastwindabrasive.com We have also ordered from Kingsley North. http://www.kingsleynorth.com/ But in summing up I would say you don't get nothing for nothing especially when it comes to diamond products. The inexpensive no- name or off brands that you come across tend to be not worth your time IMO it's easy to advertise and sell say a 1200 lap, what is uniformly missing in the Advertising is the 2 numbers you really need, amount of the actual diamond on each lap and the adhesives / carrier used. Hope this helps Kay From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Feb 6 07:41:17 2006 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Feb 6 07:41:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? References: <20060205233615.40279.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c62b33$c55227e0$74844c0c@LarryRush> June: If you can find a cruise which stops off at Wrangell, there are always kids who sell garnets on the dock. The Scouts now have the rights to the ledge, and take several trips in there every year to dig. Larry =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? > My husband wants to go on an Alaska cruise and land tour in August. Is > there anyone out there that can give me some idea if there are places to > rock pick there? If so, what would be available? We will also have > coastline available to us. One of our stops will have panning for us to > try. > Thanks for your help. > June > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kadok at infowest.com Mon Feb 6 09:16:10 2006 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:16:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? In-Reply-To: <002a01c62b33$c55227e0$74844c0c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <001001c62b41$06b01730$0200a8c0@kadok> It is also possible, now, for a person or persons to get a permit to go in to the "claim" to mine garnets. It involves taking a boat up the river, and camping near the "claim" for a number of days, waiting for the boat to come back. It's bear country, too! There are places where you can go to check out the streams for minerals. Problem is, the brush/trees are so thick, especially along the streams, that you just about have to wade in the stream/river for miles. Also, the woods are full of bears. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:41 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? June: If you can find a cruise which stops off at Wrangell, there are always kids who sell garnets on the dock. The Scouts now have the rights to the ledge, and take several trips in there every year to dig. Larry =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alaska ??? > My husband wants to go on an Alaska cruise and land tour in August. Is > there anyone out there that can give me some idea if there are places to > rock pick there? If so, what would be available? We will also have > coastline available to us. One of our stops will have panning for us to > try. > Thanks for your help. > June > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From turnea55 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 6 09:27:49 2006 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:27:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E705D2.4080507@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson shows. This was my second year being here, but this year I came a week earlier so I could hit all the overlapping shows (mineral and gem shows) and try to see everything. Overall, I had a good time, but I listed some of the good and bad things below. First, the good things: For people who have not been to Tucson, it is simply overwhelming. The amount of material is insane and you can find basically anything you could possibly want. I found basically everything on my list (really rare stuff and exotics). There are museum quality pieces in a large percentage of rooms and on tables. Even if you don't buy anything, simply looking at this many exceptional pieces in one place is amazing. I spent most of my time just looking at interesting and unusualy things. Furthermore, I met some great people and ran into a number of individuals I haven't seen in years. Also, there are some good bargains to be found if you are patient and have some time. The weather was beautiful and many of the places are outdoor, so it's hard to complain. Finally, there are an extensive number of all types of shows--mineral, gem, jewelry, bead, lapidary, etc...so there is something for everyone. Four days barely enabled me to see most of the good stuff. Now, several not so good things 1. Shows are very spread out. Having to drive 10 miles outside of town to visit some out of the way mineral show doesn't seem worth it. I spent a lot of time driving and looking for parking. 2. The BS $50 parking ticket I got (see above) 3. Almost everthing is very high priced. I understand high end material costing some money, but crappy pieces are usually way over priced. I own many of the minerals I wanted and I would have liked to upgrade, but I was not willing to spend upwards of $200 for each piece to do that. Deals are only possible if you buy a bunch of things or are a dealer. 4. No prices on many pieces..especially with moroccoan, brazilian, paki/afghan dealers. You have no idea what something costs, and when you ask, you are quoted some outrageous price. I don't mind bargaining, but sometimes it just isn't worth the time or hassle. This seems to be the new trend, but not having prices on things is total BS. 5. The "exclusive" gem/jewelry shows. In order to get into several shows, you seem to need a business licensce, card, tax ID, photo ID, list of gem related sales and purchases, your first born child, etc. I managed to fanagle my way into a few of these shows (long story). Although they had nice things and wholesale prices were cheaper, I don't know if it was worth it. The organizers try to make it appear as though these are very prestigious shows, but fraud is everywhere. Basically, they simply don't want Joe Public to know how much they are getting ripped off at the jewelry stores. This would never fly with minerals and is really obnoxious. Furthermore, you have to re-register for EVERY single show..totally ridiculous. 6. With the exception of the shows along I-10 (which have decent variety and deals), almost no venues are for kids or families. There are very few people with cheaper stuff for beginner collectors or kids with little money. This is very unfortunate and needs to change. I can count on one hand how many kids/families I saw at the hotel shows. 7. Lack of good communications/service. I've been collecting for many years and this still bugs me. It appears that most dealers don't care about the people looking at their stuff, especially if they probably won't buy anything. Many times I walked into a room only to see one dealer talking about some big purchase, acquisition, or trade with some other dealer over the phone or in person. Often I was completely ignored or not even greeted when entering the room. It was like they don't want to be bothered. Several times I was intently looking at a piece but didn't even bother asking for a price or bargaining because the dealer didn't want anything to do with me. Anyway, hope this is somewhat interesting. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA From Rocknlight at aol.com Mon Feb 6 11:10:45 2006 From: Rocknlight at aol.com (Rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:11:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don lapidary question: recommend an 8" flat lap Message-ID: <19c.44a04845.3118f935@aol.com> Don Yep. New lapidary equipment is VERY EXPENSIVE ! Try e bay and also be aware that Kingsley North and other discount companies can order almost anything / drop shipping / at far less than what you see it being sold for on the actual name brand company website and additionally you might be able to negotiate a little bit with some of the discount sellers online and in the back of Rock and gem magazine etc... Good luck RocknLight --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Feb 6 11:22:42 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:22:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> Andrew, With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the timing of your visit did not include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put on by the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention Center, which is very very kid and family friendly. We spend 10's of thousands of dollars every year, even as high as $50,000 in one year, to have displays from the finest of mineral museums and mineral collectors brought to our show for exhibit only. We spend several thousand more dollars every year having a Junior Education area for two-and-a-half days that is open for kids and manned by University of Arizona students where kids can ask questions, do geological and mineralogical activities, and receive an egg carton filled with minerals, all for free. In addition, we set up visits for approximately 5,000 Southern Arizona school kids and their teachers and parents on Thursday and Friday of our show at no charge. And we insist that every dealer have low-priced material appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the bulk of the school kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain this type of material throughout the show, simply because they are good business people who recognize that our show does cater to families. Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under are always free with a paying adult. We have over 200 dealers (minerals, gems, fossils, jewelry and lapidary) and while it may be crowded around their booths at times, we insist that dealers do not conduct any other business than serving our patrons during our show hours. I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 of our dealers are foreign dealers from all parts of the globe so there is very good variety. All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K to $60K in expenses for exhibits and activities for kids and school kids for a four day show. Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of creeping into somebody else's motel room and listening to them converse in a foreign language while you are completely ignored until you touch something, but we do have a clean safe family environment and our security is handled by off-duty Tucson police in uniform. And we take extremely seriously any allegations of fraud or misrepresentation. Although these cases are extremely rare at our show, when it does happen it is handed immediately to the Tucson Police Department. I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of wonderful experience and the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. Rick Trapp Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show Andrew Turner wrote: Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From turnea55 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 6 12:01:04 2006 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:01:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: Rick and others, I apologize. I actually do agree with you. I was simply commenting on this particular trip. I actually went to the "main show" last year, know a large number of the dealers there, and am part of the AZ Geological Society (which has helped with the show in the past I believe). I had a good time and there were definitely many more families there. I was simply talking about the "hotel shows" and such this occassion. If I had kids, I would definitely take them to that show, which is the very last weekend of the Tucson experience and worth it. If you or your family is even remotely interested in minerals, geology, etc., make it a point to go to this show at least once. Thank you for pointing this out and I regret the misunderstanding. P.S. The "fraud" I was referring to was not in the legal sense. Basically I had an issue with being harassed at the wholesale only gem shows while it seemed like there were many many others who got in with much less credentials and much less scrutiny--just thought it was kind of hypocrtical. Andrew Turner >From: Richard Trapp >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories >Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700 > > > > > > > >Andrew, > > > >With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the timing of your visit >did not include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put on by the Tucson >Gem and Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention Center, which is very >very kid and family friendly. We spend 10's of thousands of dollars >every year, even as high as $50,000 in one year, to have displays from >the finest of mineral museums and mineral collectors brought to our >show for exhibit only. We spend several thousand more dollars >every year having a Junior Education area for two-and-a-half days that >is open for kids and manned by University of Arizona students where >kids can ask questions, do geological and mineralogical activities, and >receive an egg carton filled with minerals, all for free. In addition, >we set up visits for approximately 5,000 Southern Arizona school kids >and their teachers and parents on Thursday and Friday of our show at >no charge. And we insist that every dealer have low-priced material >appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the bulk of the school >kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain this type of >material throughout the show, simply because they are good business >people who recognize that our show does cater to families. > > > >Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under are always free >with a paying adult. We have over 200 dealers (minerals, gems, fossils, >jewelry and lapidary) and while it may be crowded around their booths >at times, we insist that dealers do not conduct any other business than >serving our patrons during our show hours. I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 >of our dealers are foreign dealers from all parts of the globe so there >is very good variety. > > > >All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K to $60K in expenses >for exhibits and activities for kids and school kids for a four day >show. > > > >Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of creeping into somebody >else's motel room and listening to them converse in a foreign language >while you are completely ignored until you touch something, but we do >have a clean safe family environment and our security is handled by >off-duty Tucson police in uniform. And we take extremely seriously any >allegations of fraud or misrepresentation. Although these cases are >extremely rare at our show, when it does happen it is handed >immediately to the Tucson Police Department. > > > >I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only >once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I >would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 >this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of >wonderful experience and the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind >treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. > > > >Rick Trapp > >Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show > > > > > >Andrew Turner wrote: > >Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >text/html (html body -- converted) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tfa at brickengraver.com Mon Feb 6 11:50:20 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:06:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <003a01c62b56$90a96440$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> I would like to echo the fact that if you are going to Tuscon (I have only been once in my life and that for only 8 hours) --it's the Main Show that you definitely want to see. Not neccesarily for purchase, but for the sheer pleasure of seeing the finest dealers and collections in one venue. The display cases themselves are worthy of at least 6 hours of drop jaw trance inducing observation. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 http://www.brickengraver.com ...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. Walker Percy Signposts in a Strange Land -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Richard Trapp Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:23 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories Andrew, With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the timing of your visit did not include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put on by the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention Center, which is very very kid and family friendly. We spend 10's of thousands of dollars every year, even as high as $50,000 in one year, to have displays from the finest of mineral museums and mineral collectors brought to our show for exhibit only. We spend several thousand more dollars every year having a Junior Education area for two-and-a-half days that is open for kids and manned by University of Arizona students where kids can ask questions, do geological and mineralogical activities, and receive an egg carton filled with minerals, all for free. In addition, we set up visits for approximately 5,000 Southern Arizona school kids and their teachers and parents on Thursday and Friday of our show at no charge. And we insist that every dealer have low-priced material appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the bulk of the school kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain this type of material throughout the show, simply because they are good business people who recognize that our show does cater to families. Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under are always free with a paying adult. We have over 200 dealers (minerals, gems, fossils, jewelry and lapidary) and while it may be crowded around their booths at times, we insist that dealers do not conduct any other business than serving our patrons during our show hours. I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 of our dealers are foreign dealers from all parts of the globe so there is very good variety. All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K to $60K in expenses for exhibits and activities for kids and school kids for a four day show. Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of creeping into somebody else's motel room and listening to them converse in a foreign language while you are completely ignored until you touch something, but we do have a clean safe family environment and our security is handled by off-duty Tucson police in uniform. And we take extremely seriously any allegations of fraud or misrepresentation. Although these cases are extremely rare at our show, when it does happen it is handed immediately to the Tucson Police Department. I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of wonderful experience and the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. Rick Trapp Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show Andrew Turner wrote: Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From albalmer at att.net Mon Feb 6 12:08:42 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:08:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> References: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700, you wrote: >I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only >once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I >would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 >this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of >wonderful experience and the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind >treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. In four consecutive years of Tucson shows, I've never been there. It may be a fine show, but there's so much to see at other shows that paying for not only admission but parking just isn't appealing for us. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From agate at cox.net Mon Feb 6 12:47:54 2006 From: agate at cox.net (agate@cox.net) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:53:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson Show Message-ID: <20060206205239.TXEL15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]> I have been to the Tucson show for 6 years spending from 4 to 12 days. Its a great adventure that everyone who can should attend. No trip would be complete without at least one visit to the Main Show. It is spectacular and well worth the price. Hugh Hammerslag From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Feb 6 13:04:34 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:04:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E7B9E2.8070007@azgs.az.gov> And I want to say that I took absolutely no offense at Andrew's comments which I think are legitimate. I was just shamelessly using any excuse whatsoever to explain how our show differs from the rest of the purely commercial shows. We really are just a local non-profit gem and mineral society, our show is run almost entirely by volunteers, and our humble beginnings were over 50 years in a quonset hut down by the rodeo grounds. We just got lucky, somehow. Andrew Turner wrote: > > Rick and others, > > I apologize. I actually do agree with you. I was simply commenting > on this particular trip. I actually went to the "main show" last > year, know a large number of the dealers there, and am part of the AZ > Geological Society (which has helped with the show in the past I > believe). I had a good time and there were definitely many more > families there. I was simply talking about the "hotel shows" and such > this occassion. If I had kids, I would definitely take them to that > show, which is the very last weekend of the Tucson experience and > worth it. If you or your family is even remotely interested in > minerals, geology, etc., make it a point to go to this show at least > once. Thank you for pointing this out and I regret the misunderstanding. > > > P.S. The "fraud" I was referring to was not in the legal sense. > Basically I had an issue with being harassed at the wholesale only gem > shows while it seemed like there were many many others who got in with > much less credentials and much less scrutiny--just thought it was kind > of hypocrtical. > > Andrew Turner > > > >> From: Richard Trapp >> Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors" >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories >> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew, >> >> >> >> With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the timing of your visit >> did not include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put on by the Tucson >> Gem and Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention Center, which is very >> very kid and family friendly. We spend 10's of thousands of dollars >> every year, even as high as $50,000 in one year, to have displays from >> the finest of mineral museums and mineral collectors brought to our >> show for exhibit only. We spend several thousand more dollars >> every year having a Junior Education area for two-and-a-half days that >> is open for kids and manned by University of Arizona students where >> kids can ask questions, do geological and mineralogical activities, and >> receive an egg carton filled with minerals, all for free. In addition, >> we set up visits for approximately 5,000 Southern Arizona school kids >> and their teachers and parents on Thursday and Friday of our show at >> no charge. And we insist that every dealer have low-priced material >> appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the bulk of the school >> kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain this type of >> material throughout the show, simply because they are good business >> people who recognize that our show does cater to families. >> >> >> >> Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under are always free >> with a paying adult. We have over 200 dealers (minerals, gems, fossils, >> jewelry and lapidary) and while it may be crowded around their booths >> at times, we insist that dealers do not conduct any other business than >> serving our patrons during our show hours. I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 >> of our dealers are foreign dealers from all parts of the globe so there >> is very good variety. >> >> >> >> All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K to $60K in expenses >> for exhibits and activities for kids and school kids for a four day >> show. >> >> >> >> Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of creeping into somebody >> else's motel room and listening to them converse in a foreign language >> while you are completely ignored until you touch something, but we do >> have a clean safe family environment and our security is handled by >> off-duty Tucson police in uniform. And we take extremely seriously any >> allegations of fraud or misrepresentation. Although these cases are >> extremely rare at our show, when it does happen it is handed >> immediately to the Tucson Police Department. >> >> >> >> I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only >> once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I >> would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 >> this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of >> wonderful experience and the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind >> treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. >> >> >> >> Rick Trapp >> >> Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew Turner wrote: >> >> Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson >> >> snip... > From tfa at brickengraver.com Mon Feb 6 13:14:07 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:14:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> Message-ID: <004a01c62b62$44c701c0$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> I have no objections to paying to see such an incredible display of goods for show and goods for sale. If you do not go to the main show, you have essentially not gone to the show, IMHO. You should definitely try it at least once--especially since you live in Arizona. Tommy Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Al Balmer Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:09 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Cc: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700, you wrote: >I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only >once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I >would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 >this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of >wonderful experience and the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind >treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. In four consecutive years of Tucson shows, I've never been there. It may be a fine show, but there's so much to see at other shows that paying for not only admission but parking just isn't appealing for us. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Feb 6 13:15:59 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:16:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> References: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> Message-ID: <43E7BC8F.5060107@azgs.az.gov> well, Al, we (TGMS) would certainly invite you to take a chance on us in the future, even if we do charge admission. Unlike every other show, our show is run by a non-profit that really believes in fostering interest in the earth sciences and we put our money and time and effort where our mouth is. I can't offer you free admission, but the Convention Center is on the free shuttle route, so if you can find free parking at any other show or wherever you are staying, you can avoid the parking expense and hassle that way. Here's a thought for you: members of TGMS are not charged admission. We have many members who are not Tucson residents. Membership is approximately the same price as normal admission to the show, and with your membership card you can get in free every day. And you get a TGMS newsletter several times a year to boot. But why stop there? As a member you could also volunteer to help out during the show. We can always use an extra pair of hands.... Al Balmer wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700, you wrote: I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only -- rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Feb 6 13:26:48 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:25:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E7BF18.5020705@verizon.net> Andrew Turner wrote: > 5. The "exclusive" gem/jewelry shows. In order to get into several > shows, you seem to need a business licensce, card, tax ID, photo ID, > list of gem related sales and purchases, your first born child, etc. Hi, I am curious about your perception of what I would imagine were "wholesale to the trade" shows. I attended the Tuscon Jump Start shows back in 1998 or so, with tax ID in hand, so I was one of those "privileged elite" I suppose. However, unless things have changed, all you need is simple proof that you own, or are representing, a business. As far as your later posting indicating that people seemed to be getting in without proper credentials, well that is a separate issue, and if it is true then it shouldn't have been happening. Wholesaling is part of gems, jewelry, fossils, and mineral specimens, so I don't know why you would state that "This would never fly with minerals and is really obnoxious." When done "by the book," so to speak, wholesale is about buying in bulk for resale, without tax. The price for being part of this "elite group" is dropping thousands of dollars on materials that get tied up in inventory, filing state sales tax returns every month or every quarter, keeping meticulous records, and filing the dreaded Schedule C every year at tax time. After selling a few bits and pieces here and there, I finally closed out the business last year and went to school for mineralogy full time. It was an excellent learning experience, both on how to manage a small business and how to do complicated income taxes. However I can tell you that there is nothing special about being in that club. Just like anything else, you can be a business buyer, but even some of the wholesalers won't talk to you if you only have a wad of $2,000 in your hand; some want to see over $10,000, some over $100,000. There are levels within levels. As far as being "ripped off," I'm not defending jewelry prices--diamonds are worth far less than their selling price and "the diamond engagement ring" is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on humanity in the modern era--but many people know that the standard pricing is usually triple- or quadruple-keystone, i.e., retail is 3 to 4 times wholesale, on average. However I have seen mineral dealers with exponential keystone prices, digging fluorescent minerals at a dump for $1/pound and selling pound-sized pieces for $80 each the next weekend, when in fact the unsuspecting buyers could roll down to the same dump and dig the same piece for $1. Don't even get me started (too late!) What I'm saying is that the jewelry trade is certainly no less culpable than the specimen trade when it comes to the occasional greed, fraud, malfeasance, etc. But back to the original point, those shows are meant for business people, at least in theory. I would imagine that your displeasure with them comes from trying to be involved with them when you don't have the proper business credentials. Best thing to do is ignore them. I hope this e-mail doesn't annoy you, but rather as intended, will put you at ease about what happened and perhaps offer you a clearer perspective on what those venues are supposed to be. Good report--the list always appreciates "Tuscon updates," since it is such a pivotal part of our world yet few of us can make it. Sorry about the bad stuff; but from having attended once, and from hearing dozens of stories over the years, "that's how it is during Tuscon." That part doesn't seem to change, and in fact, reportedly gets worse. You just need to focus on the good parts! Best regards, Don From tfa at brickengraver.com Mon Feb 6 13:26:17 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:26:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7BC8F.5060107@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <004f01c62b63$f83b2460$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> How much does it cost to jointhe TGMS? I would love toget the newletters. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 http://www.brickengraver.com "Science is extraordinarily stupid about people as people and the consequence of this stupidity is going to do us all in if we don't do something about it" Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Richard Trapp Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:16 PM To: alremovebalmerthis@att.net; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories well, Al, we (TGMS) would certainly invite you to take a chance on us in the future, even if we do charge admission. Unlike every other show, our show is run by a non-profit that really believes in fostering interest in the earth sciences and we put our money and time and effort where our mouth is. I can't offer you free admission, but the Convention Center is on the free shuttle route, so if you can find free parking at any other show or wherever you are staying, you can avoid the parking expense and hassle that way. Here's a thought for you: members of TGMS are not charged admission. We have many members who are not Tucson residents. Membership is approximately the same price as normal admission to the show, and with your membership card you can get in free every day. And you get a TGMS newsletter several times a year to boot. But why stop there? As a member you could also volunteer to help out during the show. We can always use an extra pair of hands.... Al Balmer wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700, you wrote: I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only -- rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Feb 6 13:52:45 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:52:38 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <004f01c62b63$f83b2460$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> References: <004f01c62b63$f83b2460$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <43E7C52D.9070509@azgs.az.gov> Well, I was a little off in my message about the costs of joining. "My wife usually pays that bill" is my excuse. Admission to the show is $7 per day for adults. Single membership is $15 per year, so that's a little more than two days of admission. Family membership is $25 and that includes 18 and under in same household, so assuming a couple were to join as a family they would pay less than for two days' admission. Students are only $5 per year. And if you're under 18 the cost is only $1 per year. go to our website at www.tgms.org for a membership application. Tommy Armstrong wrote: >How much does it cost to jointhe TGMS? > >I would love toget the newletters. > >Tommy Armstrong >PO Box 484 >Lillington, NC 27546 >http://www.brickengraver.com > >"Science is extraordinarily stupid about people as people and the >consequence of this stupidity is going to do us all in if we don't do >something about it" > Walker Percy > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Richard Trapp >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:16 PM >To: alremovebalmerthis@att.net; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for >rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories > > > > > > > > > >well, Al, we (TGMS) would certainly invite you to take a chance on us in the >future, even if we do charge admission. Unlike every other show, our show is >run by a non-profit that really believes in fostering interest in the earth >sciences and we put our money and time and effort where our mouth is. I >can't offer you free admission, but the Convention Center is on the free >shuttle route, so if you can find free parking at any other show or wherever >you are staying, you can avoid the parking expense and hassle that way. > > > >Here's a thought for you: members of TGMS are not charged admission. We have >many members who are not Tucson residents. Membership is approximately the >same price as normal admission to the show, and with your membership card >you can get in free every day. And you get a TGMS newsletter several times a >year to boot. > > > >But why stop there? As a member you could also volunteer to help out during >the show. We can always use an extra pair of hands.... > > > > > > > >Al Balmer wrote: > > >On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only > > > > From rik.dillen at skynet.be Mon Feb 6 14:16:58 2006 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:17:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> Message-ID: <004e01c62b6b$0c0a8970$4f01c850@Rik> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Al Balmer Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:22:42 -0700, you wrote: In four consecutive years of Tucson shows, I've never been there ]Main Show]. It may be a fine show, but there's so much to see at other shows that paying for not only admission but parking just isn't appealing for us. >>>>> Dear Al, thousands of people fly over from all other parts of the USA, from Europe and other parts of the world to see it... 6 $ entrance fee or some $ for a parking space (which BTW can be avoided if you park your car a few blocks further in the direction of I-10) does not make much difference. Mostly the ticket to bring my rocks home is more expensive than my own plane ticket :>) As you know perhaps, I couldn't make it this time. Was in Tucson until 17/1 for a conference. But I had the chance (the week-end before and after the conference) to stay in Phoenix and to visit the Mesa Flagg show, I visited very shortly the Tempe Diablo show, and drove to Quarzsite where I could only spend 3 hours or so. I also visited Colleen Shannon in Mesa. She's doing well, considering the circumstances. At the conference I gave the conference dinner speech (it was a bit weird, being a foreigner, to entertain a quite American public with a story about an American town). Most of them didn't seem to have had the slightest idea what kinds of things happen in Tucson from the end of January to mid-February. One of my statements was (quote) : " And this is a showcase where cleaning personnel has to clean the floor over and over again from slaver and slobber left behind by groaning rockhounds...". If I can find the time, I will post my text, which will, of course, lack any visual attributes (I mean slides), unfortunately. Never in my life I have seen such an outstanding collection of Sweet Home mine rhodochrosites than a few years ago at the Main Show, and I could name numerous other examples. Anyway, IMHO 6 $ entrance fee for a show, where even the best pieces of the Smithsonian Institution etc. can be seen, is a real bargain. Greetings, -- Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ From albalmer at att.net Mon Feb 6 14:23:43 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:23:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7BC8F.5060107@azgs.az.gov> References: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> <43E7BC8F.5060107@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <5qhfu1t727kmgeeiarg3tkb81norjbnoqn@4ax.com> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:15:59 -0700, you wrote: > > >well, Al, we (TGMS) would certainly invite you to take a chance on us >in the future, even if we do charge admission. Unlike every other show, >our show is run by a non-profit that really believes in fostering >interest in the earth sciences and we put our money and time and effort >where our mouth is. I can't offer you free admission, but the >Convention Center is on the free shuttle route, so if you can find free >parking at any other show or wherever you are staying, you can avoid >the parking expense and hassle that way. I think you missed the point of what I wrote. It's more the hassle and the fact that there is endless competition than the admission. Where we "stay" is Phoenix, and we come out for (usually) two separate days, as time permits. The free shuttles are great for those who are staying a week, but we do just fine parking within spitting distance of all the shows we go to, leaving when we want, and going where we want next. In fact, we attend many club shows, some of which charge admission, and are members of the MSA, which charges admission to their own show. But they don't try to compete with the scores of shows in Tucson this week. > >Here's a thought for you: members of TGMS are not charged admission. We >have many members who are not Tucson residents. Membership is >approximately the same price as normal admission to the show, and with >your membership card you can get in free every day. And you get a TGMS >newsletter several times a year to boot. If the newsletter is useful, I might join for that. Your website doesn't seem to have sample issues? > -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Feb 6 14:48:07 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:48:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <5qhfu1t727kmgeeiarg3tkb81norjbnoqn@4ax.com> References: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> <43E7BC8F.5060107@azgs.az.gov> <5qhfu1t727kmgeeiarg3tkb81norjbnoqn@4ax.com> Message-ID: <43E7D227.4070006@azgs.az.gov> ah, the newsletter is just a dinky little thing.... hardly worth the membership fees.... and you're probably right, a dinky little show like we put on is not nearly as exciting as all those other shows.... I hear some of them there bead shows are really out of sight.... and that carnival down there on the west outer road across from downtown is like Mecca to the true mineral connoisseur.... anyway, you should be complimented on just taking the trouble to travel down to a dusty little ghost town like Tucson when you already live in the most desirable spot in the nation.... Al Balmer wrote: On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:15:59 -0700, you wrote: Here's a thought for you: members of TGMS are not charged admission. We -- rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From albalmer at att.net Mon Feb 6 15:35:21 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Feb 6 15:35:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7D227.4070006@azgs.az.gov> References: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> <42bfu11uttr4m8ujrg0q3qrk1fsoln2qf1@4ax.com> <43E7BC8F.5060107@azgs.az.gov> <5qhfu1t727kmgeeiarg3tkb81norjbnoqn@4ax.com> <43E7D227.4070006@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:48:07 -0700, Richard Trapp wrote: >ah, the newsletter is just a dinky little thing.... hardly worth the >membership fees.... and you're probably right, a dinky little show >like we put on is not nearly as exciting as all those other shows.... >I hear some of them there bead shows are really out of sight.... and >that carnival down there on the west outer road across from downtown is >like Mecca to the true mineral connoisseur.... anyway, you should be >complimented on just taking the trouble to travel down >to a dusty little ghost town like Tucson when you already live in the >most desirable spot in the nation.... > Perhaps you should try checking out the rest of the city sometime. If you think that yours is the only show that has "real" minerals and no beads, you really need to get out more. In any case, I seem to have offended you (or at least you seem to have taken offence), so I will not continue the discussion. BTW, your posts would make more sense to third parties if you quoted what you are replying to, not just post over the one-line attribution. See my posts on the list for examples. >Al Balmer wrote: > > >On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:15:59 -0700, you wrote: > > >Here's a thought for you: members of TGMS are not charged admission. We -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From albalmer at att.net Mon Feb 6 16:28:23 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:28:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: References: <43E705D2.4080507@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:27:49 -0800, you wrote: >Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson shows. This was my >second year being here, but this year I came a week earlier so I could hit >all the overlapping shows (mineral and gem shows) and try to see everything. > Overall, I had a good time, but I listed some of the good and bad things >below. > >First, the good things: > >For people who have not been to Tucson, it is simply overwhelming. The >amount of material is insane and you can find basically anything you could >possibly want. I found basically everything on my list (really rare stuff >and exotics). There are museum quality pieces in a large percentage of >rooms and on tables. Even if you don't buy anything, simply looking at this >many exceptional pieces in one place is amazing. I spent most of my time >just looking at interesting and unusualy things. Furthermore, I met some >great people and ran into a number of individuals I haven't seen in years. >Also, there are some good bargains to be found if you are patient and have >some time. The weather was beautiful and many of the places are outdoor, so >it's hard to complain. Finally, there are an extensive number of all types >of shows--mineral, gem, jewelry, bead, lapidary, etc...so there is something >for everyone. Four days barely enabled me to see most of the good stuff. > >Now, several not so good things >1. Shows are very spread out. Having to drive 10 miles outside of town to >visit some out of the way mineral show doesn't seem worth it. I spent a lot >of time driving and looking for parking. Parking is a problem, especially for us older folks who can barely walk a mile or so through the show without walking another mile just to get there ;-) As for being spread out, I don't know how they could do otherwise. After all, Tucson is a real city the rest of the year . > >2. The BS $50 parking ticket I got (see above) > >3. Almost everthing is very high priced. I understand high end material >costing some money, but crappy pieces are usually way over priced. I own >many of the minerals I wanted and I would have liked to upgrade, but I was >not willing to spend upwards of $200 for each piece to do that. Deals are >only possible if you buy a bunch of things or are a dealer. I heartily agree. I know that multimillionaires fly in from all over the world, but they don't buy everything. Our motto has always been "Go to Tucson to look, and Quartzsite to buy." OTOH, you can get a few good deals, as you say above, and we never come away empty-handed. > >4. No prices on many pieces..especially with moroccoan, brazilian, >paki/afghan dealers. You have no idea what something costs, and when you >ask, you are quoted some outrageous price. I don't mind bargaining, but >sometimes it just isn't worth the time or hassle. This seems to be the new >trend, but not having prices on things is total BS. I too find that extremely annoying. It's even worse when you can't even find someone to quote a price. My wife will sometimes haggle for a piece she's really interested in, but generally, when quoted an out-of-line price, it isn't worth the hassle - we just walk away. > >5. The "exclusive" gem/jewelry shows. In order to get into several shows, >you seem to need a business licensce, card, tax ID, photo ID, list of gem >related sales and purchases, your first born child, etc. I managed to >fanagle my way into a few of these shows (long story). Although they had >nice things and wholesale prices were cheaper, I don't know if it was worth >it. The organizers try to make it appear as though these are very >prestigious shows, but fraud is everywhere. Basically, they simply don't >want Joe Public to know how much they are getting ripped off at the jewelry >stores. This would never fly with minerals and is really obnoxious. >Furthermore, you have to re-register for EVERY single show..totally >ridiculous. We never bother with the "wholesale only" shows. We don't resell, and the difference between wholesale and retail for a year's worth of cutting material just isn't worth the hassle. Besides, I know good resellers who do a much more expert job of selecting rough than I can :-) > >6. With the exception of the shows along I-10 (which have decent variety >and deals), almost no venues are for kids or families. There are very few >people with cheaper stuff for beginner collectors or kids with little money. > This is very unfortunate and needs to change. I can count on one hand how >many kids/families I saw at the hotel shows. > >7. Lack of good communications/service. I've been collecting for many >years and this still bugs me. It appears that most dealers don't care about >the people looking at their stuff, especially if they probably won't buy >anything. Many times I walked into a room only to see one dealer talking >about some big purchase, acquisition, or trade with some other dealer over >the phone or in person. Often I was completely ignored or not even greeted >when entering the room. It was like they don't want to be bothered. >Several times I was intently looking at a piece but didn't even bother >asking for a price or bargaining because the dealer didn't want anything to >do with me. > Yep. It's actually kind of funny, sometimes - you wonder why they bother to display their wares. You see some strange things - a dealer standing in the only entrance to his room, blocking the way and apparently not noticing that there are potential customers who want to get in. Or the one room I poked my head in just long enough to catch a whiff of the cigar smoke filling the room. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From gene at fossilnut.com Mon Feb 6 16:32:52 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:33:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories References: <003a01c62b56$90a96440$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <005701c62b7e$082c6a40$6400a8c0@hppav> Just got back from Tucson myself. Only complaint is the blisters on my feet from walking straight for some 5 days. Fortunately they only showed up on day 4 so I only had to limp for one day. I had a great time. There didn't seem to be as many new items that interest me (i.e. fossils) as in the past. I saw a lot of great stuff and also a lot of fakes and bad restorations. Still I managed to find a couple of great things for me as well as my fossil business. Among the Moroccan fossil dealers there was a wide range in prices as well as authenticity, rarity and quality. I picked up some killer Globidens sp. teeth (Shell Crushing Mosasaur) that looked like huge acorns. I also got a decent Moroccan Placoderm (Arthrodire type), a bit disarticulated but still pretty special. I also bought the usual load of dinosaur teeth for resale, trying to keep the damage and creative restoration to a minimum on the pieces I bought. I noted a lot of the large, sliced Madagascar ammonites were selling at much lower prices than last year. The reason was that the folks in Madagascar are now faking the outside with a mixture of matrix, glue and some shelly bits. In other words they are taking ones that have a very bad exterior and repairing the outside then slicing and polishing the inside. For folks who only want to display the inside anyway this is ok... I guess... but it was not for me Some of the imported materials were pretty high, but I attribute that to the relative value of the dollar vs. other currencies now as opposed to a few years ago. I saw one dealer selling small Oligocene insectivore skulls (domestic) at 7x what another dealer was selling them for. That was no shock since they are not all that common and no real case can be made for an established price. In either case the dealers were selling the items for what they thought they were worth and I really did not get the sense either was intentionally gouging. In one case a dealer had an unbelievably low price for one item (which I bought for resale) and a ridiculously high one for another item... on the same table. Sometimes there appears to be no rhyme or reason for the disparity. In addition to the traditional shows I found that the Executive Inn is making a comeback after Marty Zinn pulled out and there were some good items to be had there. Both buildings had dealers throughout the first floor. My traveling companion for this show is a mineral guy and he got a number of nice topazes and tourmalines (his specialty) at the EI.. As always there are some very high prices, and some much lower ones for better specimens elsewhere. I try not to let a subsequently discovered lower price spoil the fun of an acquisition that felt right at the time. There just isn't enough time to shop for the best price, only for a fair or good one. There's also some great food. I make it a point to stick with Mexican food since there are a number of great places in Tucson. I always look forward to a meal at Miniditos, for those who know the place. In the 5 days I ran into more folks I know than ever before at Tucson. In all we hit all the major rock, mineral and fossil shows and locations, and one G&LW show (Holidome). I think I'll pass on the Holidome in the future since it was so crowded it was tough to enjoy the show. I now await receipt of the things I shipped. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories > I would like to echo the fact that if you are going to Tuscon (I have only > been once in my life and that for only 8 hours) --it's the Main Show that > you definitely want to see. Not neccesarily for purchase, but for the > sheer > pleasure of seeing the finest dealers and collections in one venue. The > display cases themselves are worthy of at least 6 hours of drop jaw trance > inducing observation. > > Tommy Armstrong > PO Box 484 > Lillington, NC 27546 > http://www.brickengraver.com > > ...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about > individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. > > Walker Percy > Signposts in a Strange Land > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Richard Trapp > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories > > > > > > > > Andrew, > > > > With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the timing of your visit did > not > include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put on by the Tucson Gem and > Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention Center, which is very very kid > and > family friendly. We spend 10's of thousands of dollars every year, even as > high as $50,000 in one year, to have displays from the finest of mineral > museums and mineral collectors brought to our show for exhibit only. We > spend several thousand more dollars every year having a Junior Education > area for two-and-a-half days that is open for kids and manned by > University > of Arizona students where kids can ask questions, do geological and > mineralogical activities, and receive an egg carton filled with minerals, > all for free. In addition, we set up visits for approximately 5,000 > Southern > Arizona school kids and their teachers and parents on Thursday and Friday > of our show at no charge. And we insist that every dealer have low-priced > material appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the bulk of the > school kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain this type of > material throughout the show, simply because they are good business people > who recognize that our show does cater to families. > > > > Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under are always free with > a > paying adult. We have over 200 dealers (minerals, gems, fossils, jewelry > and > lapidary) and while it may be crowded around their booths at times, we > insist that dealers do not conduct any other business than serving our > patrons during our show hours. I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 of our dealers > are foreign dealers from all parts of the globe so there is very good > variety. > > > > All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K to $60K in expenses > for > exhibits and activities for kids and school kids for a four day show. > > > > Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of creeping into somebody > else's motel room and listening to them converse in a foreign language > while > you are completely ignored until you touch something, but we do have a > clean > safe family environment and our security is handled by off-duty Tucson > police in uniform. And we take extremely seriously any allegations of > fraud > or misrepresentation. Although these cases are extremely rare at our show, > when it does happen it is handed immediately to the Tucson Police > Department. > > > > I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only once > during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I would > encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 this year > at > the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of wonderful experience and > the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind treasures and don't forget to > bring the kids. > > > > Rick Trapp > > Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show > > > > > > Andrew Turner wrote: > > Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- > converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gene at fossilnut.com Mon Feb 6 16:33:01 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:33:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories References: <003a01c62b56$90a96440$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <005801c62b7e$0dbafdf0$6400a8c0@hppav> Just got back from Tucson myself. Only complaint is the blisters on my feet from walking straight for some 5 days. Fortunately they only showed up on day 4 so I only had to limp for one day. I had a great time. There didn't seem to be as many new items that interest me (i.e. fossils) as in the past. I saw a lot of great stuff and also a lot of fakes and bad restorations. Still I managed to find a couple of great things for me as well as my fossil business. Among the Moroccan fossil dealers there was a wide range in prices as well as authenticity, rarity and quality. I picked up some killer Globidens sp. teeth (Shell Crushing Mosasaur) that looked like huge acorns. I also got a decent Moroccan Placoderm (Arthrodire type), a bit disarticulated but still pretty special. I also bought the usual load of dinosaur teeth for resale, trying to keep the damage and creative restoration to a minimum on the pieces I bought. I noted a lot of the large, sliced Madagascar ammonites were selling at much lower prices than last year. The reason was that the folks in Madagascar are now faking the outside with a mixture of matrix, glue and some shelly bits. In other words they are taking ones that have a very bad exterior and repairing the outside then slicing and polishing the inside. For folks who only want to display the inside anyway this is ok... I guess... but it was not for me Some of the imported materials were pretty high, but I attribute that to the relative value of the dollar vs. other currencies now as opposed to a few years ago. I saw one dealer selling small Oligocene insectivore skulls (domestic) at 7x what another dealer was selling them for. That was no shock since they are not all that common and no real case can be made for an established price. In either case the dealers were selling the items for what they thought they were worth and I really did not get the sense either was intentionally gouging. In one case a dealer had an unbelievably low price for one item (which I bought for resale) and a ridiculously high one for another item... on the same table. Sometimes there appears to be no rhyme or reason for the disparity. In addition to the traditional shows I found that the Executive Inn is making a comeback after Marty Zinn pulled out and there were some good items to be had there. Both buildings had dealers throughout the first floor. My traveling companion for this show is a mineral guy and he got a number of nice topazes and tourmalines (his specialty) at the EI.. As always there are some very high prices, and some much lower ones for better specimens elsewhere. I try not to let a subsequently discovered lower price spoil the fun of an acquisition that felt right at the time. There just isn't enough time to shop for the best price, only for a fair or good one. There's also some great food. I make it a point to stick with Mexican food since there are a number of great places in Tucson. I always look forward to a meal at Miniditos, for those who know the place. In the 5 days I ran into more folks I know than ever before at Tucson. In all we hit all the major rock, mineral and fossil shows and locations, and one G&LW show (Holidome). I think I'll pass on the Holidome in the future since it was so crowded it was tough to enjoy the show. I now await receipt of the things I shipped. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories > I would like to echo the fact that if you are going to Tuscon (I have only > been once in my life and that for only 8 hours) --it's the Main Show that > you definitely want to see. Not neccesarily for purchase, but for the > sheer > pleasure of seeing the finest dealers and collections in one venue. The > display cases themselves are worthy of at least 6 hours of drop jaw trance > inducing observation. > > Tommy Armstrong > PO Box 484 > Lillington, NC 27546 > http://www.brickengraver.com > > ...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about > individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. > > Walker Percy > Signposts in a Strange Land > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Richard Trapp > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 2:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories > > > > > > > > Andrew, > > > > With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the timing of your visit did > not > include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put on by the Tucson Gem and > Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention Center, which is very very kid > and > family friendly. We spend 10's of thousands of dollars every year, even as > high as $50,000 in one year, to have displays from the finest of mineral > museums and mineral collectors brought to our show for exhibit only. We > spend several thousand more dollars every year having a Junior Education > area for two-and-a-half days that is open for kids and manned by > University > of Arizona students where kids can ask questions, do geological and > mineralogical activities, and receive an egg carton filled with minerals, > all for free. In addition, we set up visits for approximately 5,000 > Southern > Arizona school kids and their teachers and parents on Thursday and Friday > of our show at no charge. And we insist that every dealer have low-priced > material appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the bulk of the > school kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain this type of > material throughout the show, simply because they are good business people > who recognize that our show does cater to families. > > > > Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under are always free with > a > paying adult. We have over 200 dealers (minerals, gems, fossils, jewelry > and > lapidary) and while it may be crowded around their booths at times, we > insist that dealers do not conduct any other business than serving our > patrons during our show hours. I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 of our dealers > are foreign dealers from all parts of the globe so there is very good > variety. > > > > All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K to $60K in expenses > for > exhibits and activities for kids and school kids for a four day show. > > > > Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of creeping into somebody > else's motel room and listening to them converse in a foreign language > while > you are completely ignored until you touch something, but we do have a > clean > safe family environment and our security is handled by off-duty Tucson > police in uniform. And we take extremely seriously any allegations of > fraud > or misrepresentation. Although these cases are extremely rare at our show, > when it does happen it is handed immediately to the Tucson Police > Department. > > > > I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many friends I see only once > during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful experience, but I would > encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to our show, Feb. 9-12 this year > at > the Tucson Convention Center, for another type of wonderful experience and > the chance to see many many one-of-a-kind treasures and don't forget to > bring the kids. > > > > Rick Trapp > > Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show > > > > > > Andrew Turner wrote: > > Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various Tucson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- > converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Feb 6 18:34:48 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:35:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, fossils etc In-Reply-To: <200602070202.k1722nhk003625@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20060207023448.32680.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the comments and posts by everyone about Tucson, much was very helpful. Eugene H. posted today about the fossils at various tucson dealers. I had heard from another dealer friend about the profusion of fossil fakes which had me abit concerned since I was hoping for a half flat of trilobites from Morroco. I was familiar that many foreign dealers are not posting price tags or locality information on their specimens, and am not at all adverse to continental or souk style bargaining. At past shows however, I have been very leary and cautious of dealers without locality tags, who offer to write it down for you after the purchase. I noted that a number of chinese and romanian dealers have operated this way and I have steered clear of them until a recent show where I bagged some super deals at the end of slow show. Turned out the dealers had carefully prepared locality tags, just not on the specimen. I suppose I am concerned that if they aren't carefully taged, then it is unlikely they (who likely did not collect the material) will remember where exactly it came from and perhaps are not as concerned with accuracy of locality information. I have read that this is definitely been the case with Chinese minerals. I know this doesn't seem to bother others, or others perhaps of longer experience don't share such misgivings (?) Since I leave tomorrow morning for 3 days in Tuscon I guess my question to Eugene H. and others is, what are the markers of fossil fakes? My primary collecting interest is minerals, not fossils and my intent is to get a couple nice trilobites, a few to give as gifts and sell the rest to offset the other purchases. Another question is are the hotels stratified by price categories? Much as I'd like to see all of the hotels, I can't in 2 days, so would like to spend my time in the hotels where I'm most likely to find stuff within my price range. Suggestions are very welcome, thanks all, tina t --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Mon Feb 6 19:45:04 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Mon Feb 6 19:45:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, fossils etc References: <20060207023448.32680.qmail@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c62b98$e1e3bda0$6400a8c0@hppav> Here is an excellent resource on fakes. It is by no means complete, but it is a great start. Gene http://www.paleodirect.com/fakefossils1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, fossils etc > Thanks for the comments and posts by everyone about Tucson, much was very > helpful. > Eugene H. posted today about the fossils at various tucson dealers. I had > heard from another dealer friend about the profusion of fossil fakes which > had me abit concerned since I was hoping for a half flat of trilobites > from Morroco. > > I was familiar that many foreign dealers are not posting price tags or > locality information on their specimens, and am not at all adverse to > continental or souk style bargaining. At past shows however, I have been > very leary and cautious of dealers without locality tags, who offer to > write it down for you after the purchase. I noted that a number of chinese > and romanian dealers have operated this way and I have steered clear of > them until a recent show where I bagged some super deals at the end of > slow show. Turned out the dealers had carefully prepared locality tags, > just not on the specimen. > > I suppose I am concerned that if they aren't carefully taged, then it is > unlikely they (who likely did not collect the material) will remember > where exactly it came from and perhaps are not as concerned with accuracy > of locality information. I have read that this is definitely been the case > with Chinese minerals. > I know this doesn't seem to bother others, or others perhaps of longer > experience don't share such misgivings (?) > > Since I leave tomorrow morning for 3 days in Tuscon I guess my question > to Eugene H. and others is, what are the markers of fossil fakes? > My primary collecting interest is minerals, not fossils and my intent is > to get a couple nice trilobites, a few to give as gifts and sell the rest > to offset the other purchases. > > Another question is are the hotels stratified by price categories? Much > as I'd like to see all of the hotels, I can't in 2 days, so would like to > spend my time in the hotels where I'm most likely to find stuff within my > price range. > > Suggestions are very welcome, > thanks all, > tina t > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Feb 7 07:15:50 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:14:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals Message-ID: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> Hi, At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling wood block models for crystallography. I just saw a request from a member of the Mineraloglical Society of America asking for teaching models. If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for crystals, please let me know so I can pass it on. Thanks, Don From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Tue Feb 7 07:16:27 2006 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn Weinberger) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:16:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals In-Reply-To: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060207151627.15210.qmail@web84115.mail.dcn.yahoo.com> Ernie Schlicter sells them. C --- DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling > wood block models for > crystallography. I just saw a request from a member > of the > Mineraloglical Society of America asking for > teaching models. > > If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for > crystals, please let me > know so I can pass it on. > > Thanks, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From earlrock at nctv.com Tue Feb 7 05:08:55 2006 From: earlrock at nctv.com (Earl) Date: Tue Feb 7 09:04:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: The Fifth Annual Micromounters Winter Gathering Message-ID: <003f01c62be7$a78419d0$6401a8c0@earlbasement> Less than 3 weeks until this fun and educational gathering of micromounters. Feb. 24th and 25th, at the Advent Christian Village in Dowling park, Florida. Lodging at the village is limited, so if you are planning to attend make sure to get your reservations in now. The web page with complete information is: http://home.nctv.com/earlrock/wintermicro/index.html Call the lodge, make reservations. It is probably too late to complete the registration form and mail it, so registration can be completed upon arrival. There will be at least 4 extra microscopes available for use by those that need them. regards, Earl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Tue Feb 7 09:52:56 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Tue Feb 7 09:53:03 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <005701c62b7e$082c6a40$6400a8c0@hppav> References: <003a01c62b56$90a96440$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> <005701c62b7e$082c6a40$6400a8c0@hppav> Message-ID: <43E8DE78.6060303@azgs.az.gov> Off-list I made an offer of two free tickets to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show to Al Balmer. He has declined the offer. If anyone on this list would like those two free tickets, good for this Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show at the Tucson Convention Center, please email me OFF-LIST at rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov I will contact the first person to reply by email with instructions of where to pick up the tickets. Normal admission is $7. From albalmer at att.net Tue Feb 7 11:10:31 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:10:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E8DE78.6060303@azgs.az.gov> References: <003a01c62b56$90a96440$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> <005701c62b7e$082c6a40$6400a8c0@hppav> <43E8DE78.6060303@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:52:56 -0700, Richard Trapp wrote: > > >Off-list I made an offer of two free tickets to the Tucson Gem and >Mineral Show to Al Balmer. He has declined the offer. Incorrect. I did not respond to the offer, having previously said that the discussion was at an end. You seem to be attempting to perpetuate the notion that I did not attend your favorite show simply because of the admission price, in direct contradiction to my previous statements. Please do not do that. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Feb 7 11:19:27 2006 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:22:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN]Tuscon Stories... Message-ID: <000b01c62c1b$6e32a5f0$0200a8c0@warren> OK everyone, keep it light, keep it friendly. Julie Siebel Listowner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Tue Feb 7 11:56:49 2006 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:57:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7BF18.5020705@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901c62c20$a2779780$0200a8c0@kadok> Don makes many excellent points. I think that a lot of people really just do not realize that, except for the "Main Event", the Tucson shows(s) are "wholesale TO THE TRADE" (emphasis mine) -- for business people only - and are thus limited as to who may attend. If you are (as I am) not one of these, then you go to the "Main event" and you ignore the rest; it is not meant for you. Margaret Andrew Turner wrote: > 5. The "exclusive" gem/jewelry shows. In order to get into several > shows, you seem to need a business licensce, card, tax ID, photo ID, > list of gem related sales and purchases, your first born child, etc. Hi, I am curious about your perception of what I would imagine were "wholesale to the trade" shows. I attended the Tuscon Jump Start shows back in 1998 or so, with tax ID in hand, so I was one of those "privileged elite" I suppose. However, unless things have changed, all you need is simple proof that you own, or are representing, a business. As far as your later posting indicating that people seemed to be getting in without proper credentials, well that is a separate issue, and if it is true then it shouldn't have been happening. Wholesaling is part of gems, jewelry, fossils, and mineral specimens, so I don't know why you would state that "This would never fly with minerals and is really obnoxious." When done "by the book," so to speak, wholesale is about buying in bulk for resale, without tax. The price for being part of this "elite group" is dropping thousands of dollars on materials that get tied up in inventory, filing state sales tax returns every month or every quarter, keeping meticulous records, and filing the dreaded Schedule C every year at tax time. After selling a few bits and pieces here and there, I finally closed out the business last year and went to school for mineralogy full time. It was an excellent learning experience, both on how to manage a small business and how to do complicated income taxes. However I can tell you that there is nothing special about being in that club. Just like anything else, you can be a business buyer, but even some of the wholesalers won't talk to you if you only have a wad of $2,000 in your hand; some want to see over $10,000, some over $100,000. There are levels within levels. As far as being "ripped off," I'm not defending jewelry prices--diamonds are worth far less than their selling price and "the diamond engagement ring" is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on humanity in the modern era--but many people know that the standard pricing is usually triple- or quadruple-keystone, i.e., retail is 3 to 4 times wholesale, on average. However I have seen mineral dealers with exponential keystone prices, digging fluorescent minerals at a dump for $1/pound and selling pound-sized pieces for $80 each the next weekend, when in fact the unsuspecting buyers could roll down to the same dump and dig the same piece for $1. Don't even get me started (too late!) What I'm saying is that the jewelry trade is certainly no less culpable than the specimen trade when it comes to the occasional greed, fraud, malfeasance, etc. But back to the original point, those shows are meant for business people, at least in theory. I would imagine that your displeasure with them comes from trying to be involved with them when you don't have the proper business credentials. Best thing to do is ignore them. I hope this e-mail doesn't annoy you, but rather as intended, will put you at ease about what happened and perhaps offer you a clearer perspective on what those venues are supposed to be. Good report--the list always appreciates "Tuscon updates," since it is such a pivotal part of our world yet few of us can make it. Sorry about the bad stuff; but from having attended once, and from hearing dozens of stories over the years, "that's how it is during Tuscon." That part doesn't seem to change, and in fact, reportedly gets worse. You just need to focus on the good parts! Best regards, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 7 15:11:02 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:11:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals In-Reply-To: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Don The Belgian Buddy says: www.krantz-online.de goto: "lehrmittelzubehor" =>>> kristalmodelle. Bitte schon. Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH Verzonden: dinsdag 7 februari 2006 16:16 Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals Hi, At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling wood block models for crystallography. I just saw a request from a member of the Mineraloglical Society of America asking for teaching models. If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for crystals, please let me know so I can pass it on. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Lapidry at aol.com Tue Feb 7 15:18:03 2006 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:18:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals Message-ID: <1e6.4be8d415.311a84ab@aol.com> Don: I'll double up on Carolyn's statement. The ones you saw at the Rochester Mineralogical Symposium were in Ernie's room. By the way, the registration forms for this year's symposium were just mailed out. April 6-9, 2006. Anyone interested, let me know. I'll make sure you get copies of the forms. Dan In a message dated 2/7/2006 10:16:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, cscrystals2@verizon.net writes: Ernie Schlicter sells them. C --- DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling > wood block models for > crystallography. I just saw a request from a member > of the > Mineraloglical Society of America asking for > teaching models. > > If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for > crystals, please let me > know so I can pass it on. > > Thanks, > Don > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From edben at prodigy.net Tue Feb 7 16:58:18 2006 From: edben at prodigy.net (edben) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:58:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals References: Message-ID: <001a01c62c4a$c0c3b050$403c9e04@benjamin> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals > Hi, > > At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling wood block models for > crystallography. I just saw a request from a member of the > Mineraloglical Society of America asking for teaching models. > > If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for crystals, please let me > know so I can pass it on. > > Thanks, > Don Dr. Kevin Cole of Grand Valley State University uses a drop saw technique to prepare wood block models for his classes. He demonstrated the art to our rock club several years ago. I doubt that he sells such models, but I'll bet he could pass on some tips on making your own., Dr. Kevin Cole, O-403 Fennessy S.W., Grand Rapids MI 49544. Phone 616 530-6330 (Office) or 616 791-1648 (home) Ed Benjamin From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 7 18:03:16 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:57:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals References: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling wood block models for > crystallography. I just saw a request from a member of the > Mineraloglical Society of America asking for teaching models. > > If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for crystals, please let me > know so I can pass it on. > > Thanks, > Don > Don, If you want plastic instead of wood, Wards has a set. They also have paper sets you can cut, fold, and glue for less than 10% of the plastic set. You could buy the cheap paper set, transfer the patterns to some nice veneer, and make hollow wooden models. Kreigh From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Feb 7 19:16:02 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Feb 7 19:14:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals In-Reply-To: <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> References: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <43E96272.1080901@verizon.net> Thanks all. I passed the collected info to the MSA list. Thanks. Don From rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com Wed Feb 8 11:40:27 2006 From: rockhoundsmovie at hotmail.com (RockHounds: The Movie) Date: Wed Feb 8 11:40:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] RockHounds: The Movie DVD for sale...finally! Message-ID: GeologyVideo.com Presents RockHounds: The Movie Special Edition DVD For Immediate Release (Hi res Images Available on Request) Norman, OK – Due to popular demand, gem & mineral collectors can now own their very own copy of the “RockHounds: The Movie” Special Edition DVD. The documentary film has toured the film festival and gem & mineral show circuit during 2005 and has been screened on three different continents and throughout the U.S. Produced by Explorer Multimedia Inc. in conjunction with the School of Geology & Geophysics at the University of Oklahoma, the film showcases the fun, adventure and science behind the hobby of gem & mineral collecting. Topics include the World Championship Quartz Crystal Dig, fossil hunting, barite rose rocks, the “Rock Food Table” and more! Loaded with special features, the DVD includes: • The full feature length film (55 minutes) • Audio commentary by Executive Producer & Geologist Devin Dennie and Director Todd Kent • “The Making of RockHounds: The Movie” featurette • Special Sneak Peak of “GeoAmerica” featurette The film is available for sale online at http://www.GeologyVideo.com . This is the first film available on GeologyVideo.com, which is also an Explorer Multimedia Inc. venture but others will soon follow. “We plan to have a series of GeoAmerica DVDs that feature a different popular tourist city,” said EMI President Devin Dennie, “and the focus of each will be the geology and earth science behind those destinations.” For more information about “RockHounds: The Movie” please visit http://www.RockHoundsMovie.com and http://www.GeologyVideo.com . “RockHounds: The Movie” was an official Selection of SCINEMA ’05 – Festival of Science Film and will continue to screen at film festivals and gem & mineral shows including the 2006 Tucson Gem & Mineral Show. Explorer Multimedia Inc., is a non profit 501 (c)(3) corporation. For more information please visit http://www.ExplorerMultimedia.org . _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 8 20:41:42 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 8 20:31:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] oco geodes Message-ID: <43EAC5B0.2820@Tomaszewski.net> A few google searches have let me find out that oco geodes get their name from a Brazilian word for geode halves. They reportedly come from a geologic formation in Brazil that is 50 million years old. They have an agate exterior, usually a brown rind, and a crystal interior. No two are alike. They are collected by farmers after their crops are harvested and the fields have been tilled under. They appear to be quite common and popular. They are usually sold cut and polished, normally as single halves, but also as cut and polished pairs, and as uncut geodes. But nowhere have I been able to find any specific information on where in Brazil these pretty geodes come from. Does anyone know? Kreigh From folmstead at rcn.com Wed Feb 8 21:04:14 2006 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed Feb 8 21:04:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] oco geodes... In-Reply-To: <43EAC5B0.2820@Tomaszewski.net> References: <43EAC5B0.2820@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <43EACD4E.5010304@rcn.com> http://www.bestcrystals.com/geodes.html has some oco geodes __..--..__ Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >A few google searches have let me find out that oco geodes get their >name from a Brazilian word for geode halves. They reportedly come from a >geologic formation in Brazil that is 50 million years old. They have an >agate exterior, usually a brown rind, and a crystal interior. No two are >alike. They are collected by farmers after their crops are harvested and >the fields have been tilled under. They appear to be quite common and >popular. They are usually sold cut and polished, normally as single >halves, but also as cut and polished pairs, and as uncut geodes. But >nowhere have I been able to find any specific information on where in >Brazil these pretty geodes come from. Does anyone know? > >Kreigh > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From folmstead at rcn.com Wed Feb 8 21:27:57 2006 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed Feb 8 21:28:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Oco... Ohco In-Reply-To: <4ocr70$j3m3kj@mx06.mrf.mail.rcn.net> References: <4ocr70$j3m3kj@mx06.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Message-ID: <43EAD2DD.1060009@rcn.com> > Has an explanation of Ocho / Oco Geodes from Brazil > > > > eBay: Lot of 3 ochos or oco geode from Brazil.... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6597496893 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From collectibles to cars, buy and sell all kinds of items on eBay > > home | pay > > | site map > > Shop for items Sell your item > Track your eBay activities > Learn, connect, and stay > informed-for business and for fun > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 9 04:29:00 2006 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Thu Feb 9 04:29:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: RockHounds: The Movie Message-ID: <20060209122900.QJLO1887.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> ?Can you correct your ?typing/keyboard? so that your ?quotation marks? are not set out as interrogation marks??? It?s very annoying? From totis99 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 9 07:44:59 2006 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Thu Feb 9 07:45:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <43E7A202.4070003@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <20060209154459.70242.qmail@web36713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, I just want to say thank you for taking the time, when you are so busy with the show, to explain about the Convention Center. I've been reading and hearing about the show for a number of years now and I never had that perspective on it before and am now seriously looking forward to the opportunity to attend that part of the event. Hopefully, this year! We did run down last weekend and chose the Inn Suites as the stop since we only had a couple hours. This was our first time at the Tucson show and (as many of you probably recall from your first visit), you can imagine it and blow that imaginative pic up 100% and you still don't come close. We kept reminding ourselves this was just one small spot of the show that covers most of the city and it was mind boggling! John Cornish had posted where he would be, so I decided it would be cool to meet someone on the list and went and introduced myself (and my other half - who is into rocks only cuz of me and makes a willing 'mule' walking around LOL). Although I'm sure exhausted from having been there several weeks, John was kind enough to take the time to talk with us a bit as well as to educate me (IN A GREAT WAY, JOHN! TYVM!) about a special piece that I had with me from my own collection. Although it was only one location of the show, I figure it was generally representative of at least this much anyway: there are those dealers who will talk with you, those who don't even know you are on the planet much less their room, those eager to sell, and those eager just to share something spectacular (2 gentlemen upstairs with the mastodon found in Texas). And of everyone there, both visitor and vendor, you can tell those who love rocks and minerals, and those who are just doing a job. Overall, we totally enjoyed the opportunity to be down there and it took several hours to wind down from the incredibility of seeing just a small piece of the show! Teresa Otis --- Richard Trapp wrote: > > > > > > > Andrew, > > > > With regard to #6 (bad), families and kids, the > timing of your visit > did not include the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, put > on by the Tucson > Gem and Mineral Society at the Tucson Convention > Center, which is very > very kid and family friendly. We spend 10's of > thousands of dollars > every year, even as high as $50,000 in one year, to > have displays from > the finest of mineral museums and mineral collectors > brought to our > show for exhibit only. We spend several thousand > more dollars > every year having a Junior Education area for > two-and-a-half days that > is open for kids and manned by University of Arizona > students where > kids can ask questions, do geological and > mineralogical activities, and > receive an egg carton filled with minerals, all for > free. In addition, > we set up visits for approximately 5,000 Southern > Arizona school kids > and their teachers and parents on Thursday and > Friday of our show at > no charge. And we insist that every dealer have > low-priced material > appropriate for children on Friday mornings when the > bulk of the school > kids (~3000) are there. Most of our dealers retain > this type of > material throughout the show, simply because they > are good business > people who recognize that our show does cater to > families. > > > > Although we charge for adults, children 14 and under > are always free > with a paying adult. We have over 200 dealers > (minerals, gems, fossils, > jewelry and lapidary) and while it may be crowded > around their booths > at times, we insist that dealers do not conduct any > other business than > serving our patrons during our show hours. I would > say that 1/4 to 1/3 > of our dealers are foreign dealers from all parts of > the globe so there > is very good variety. > > > > All told, in any given year, we probably spend $30K > to $60K in expenses > for exhibits and activities for kids and school kids > for a four day > show. > > > > Granted we don't have the romance and mystery of > creeping into somebody > else's motel room and listening to them converse in > a foreign language > while you are completely ignored until you touch > something, but we do > have a clean safe family environment and our > security is handled by > off-duty Tucson police in uniform. And we take > extremely seriously any > allegations of fraud or misrepresentation. Although > these cases are > extremely rare at our show, when it does happen it > is handed > immediately to the Tucson Police Department. > > > > I visit the motel rooms every year and I have many > friends I see only > once during the year in Tucson and it is a wonderful > experience, but I > would encourage all visitors to Tucson to come to > our show, Feb. 9-12 > this year at the Tucson Convention Center, for > another type of > wonderful experience and the chance to see many many > one-of-a-kind > treasures and don't forget to bring the kids. > > > > Rick Trapp > > Show Chair, 2006 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show > > > > > > Andrew Turner wrote: > > Well, I just returned from 4 days at the various > Tucson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 17:57:37 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 10 17:57:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans Message-ID: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/usizan.php --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Feb 10 18:26:18 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 10 18:26:22 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's not far from here in Mobile. Maybe this is the explanation of the booms we've felt lately. Glenn From: J Bryan Kramer codeburner@gmail.com http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/usizan.php for ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Fri Feb 10 20:12:46 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:12:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For those interested in wooden crystal models: I went to this URL given by Axel, but all the offers of pearwood (Birnbaumholz) crystal models say "Zur Zeit nicht lieferbar", i.e. currently unavailable.... One hopes "currently" is not "from now on". Pete Richards >Hi Don > >The Belgian Buddy says: >www.krantz-online.de > >goto: "lehrmittelzubehor" =>>> kristalmodelle. > >Bitte schon. > >Axel > > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens DonH >Verzonden: dinsdag 7 februari 2006 16:16 >Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals > > > >Hi, > >At the Rochester Symposium I saw someone selling wood block models for >crystallography. I just saw a request from a member of the >Mineraloglical Society of America asking for teaching models. > >If anyone knows who sells wood-block models for crystals, please let me >know so I can pass it on. > >Thanks, >Don > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Feb 10 20:23:23 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Feb 10 20:21:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] wood block models for crystals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ED66BB.1000900@verizon.net> R. Peter Richards wrote: > For those interested in wooden crystal models: > > I went to this URL given by Axel, but all the offers of pearwood > (Birnbaumholz) crystal models say "Zur Zeit nicht lieferbar", i.e. > currently unavailable.... > > One hopes "currently" is not "from now on". > > Pete Richards You know, I didn't even get that far. I was reeling from the prices. You would think these could be cast easily from plastic--not as elegant and sturdy as the wood models, but in this day and age, the price is what matters. Effective school budgets are shrinking and it is more important to have these models available than to worry about how nice they are. I passed along all suggestions from the list, but I'm betting the professor will go with the choices from Ward's. On the other hand, I remember that Ernie's models were not that expensive, not when compared to the prices for wooden models I've seen on line! Don From Paintricks at aol.com Fri Feb 10 21:03:27 2006 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 10 21:03:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans Message-ID: <1dc.4e287690.311eca1f@aol.com> Are these in relation of the fault that supposed to be the Mississippi? Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 10 21:04:47 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 10 21:04:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: The Olympics ... and Rockhounding Message-ID: <43ED704E.7B39@Tomaszewski.net> The Olympics transcend all national boundries and bring us together as one World. Rockhounding, and this List, also bring us together as one World, without boundries. I thank all of you for your sharing of your knowledge with this List. Together we have helped make our World smaller and more united. I hope you take pride with me that we have shared, every day, for many years, and not reserved it to every couple years for a singular event. I look forward to continued sharing with all of you in the years to come. Kreigh From jennifer at sunriseinstitute.org Sat Feb 11 00:52:41 2006 From: jennifer at sunriseinstitute.org (jennifer isham) Date: Sat Feb 11 00:52:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quiet or just not receiving emails In-Reply-To: <001801c623a6$fdb504c0$6601a8c0@Powell> Message-ID: I've not received any postings for what feels like a long time. Am wondering if the list has been quiet or if my email address is rejecting group postings ??? jennifer From gene at fossilnut.com Sat Feb 11 06:20:52 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Sat Feb 11 06:21:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Show announcement Message-ID: <006401c62f16$5d2f6150$6400a8c0@hppav> This one is coming up in a few weeks. Saturday March 4, 2006 and Sunday March 5, 2006. The Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc. will hold its 43rd Annual Earth Science Gem and Mineral Show @ Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713. Hours Saturday are 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and Sunday 11:00 a.m. till 5:00 p.m. The show features educational exhibits of mineral, lapidary and fossil specimens, displays from regional and university museums, an expanded roster of fine dealers of minerals, fossils, gems, jewelry and lapidary supplies, door prizes, demonstrations of gem cutting and polishing and a children's table, where youngsters may purchase inexpensive mineral and fossil specimens. Admission is $5.00, $4.00 for seniors, $3.00 for youngsters between 12 and 16, and free for children under 12 accompanied by an adult. Info and Coupons at www.delminsociety.net or e-mail gene@fossilnut.com. The Delaware Mineralogical Society is a non-profit organization, affiliated with the Eastern Federation of Mineral Societies, and dedicated to learning and teaching about the earth sciences, rocks, minerals, fossils and the lapidary arts. Membership is open to all who are interested in these areas. Fo info on meetings check www.delminsociety.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From folmstead at rcn.com Sat Feb 11 12:01:45 2006 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:01:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] quake s of New Orleans /MISS In-Reply-To: <1dc.4e287690.311eca1f@aol.com> References: <1dc.4e287690.311eca1f@aol.com> Message-ID: <43EE42A9.4060109@rcn.com> Hi are you referring to the New Madris quake that made the Mississippi flow backwards???? Paintricks@aol.com wrote: >Are these in relation of the fault that supposed to be the Mississippi? >Kevin > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > From web_admin at ccfms.ca Sat Feb 11 12:40:39 2006 From: web_admin at ccfms.ca (CCFMS Web Admin) Date: Sat Feb 11 12:42:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds@drizzle Website Change Message-ID: <000001c62f4b$6b6d84b0$213cbfd8@sdouglas> I was checking the validity of the links at the CCFMS website (http://www.ccfms.ca/) today and noticed the website for the Rockhounds@drizzle mailing list (http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds) kept coming back as "Not Found"! After a little bit of sleuthing, I found an alternate website for the Rockhounds mailing list at http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html. Is this officially the new website for this list? When did this change over occur? Stephen Douglas CCFMS Communications Director & Web Admin web_admin@ccfms.ca http://www.ccfms.ca/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sat Feb 11 18:16:41 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Feb 11 18:16:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report - part one Message-ID: <20060212021641.96678.qmail@web34607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: I'm home and recovering from the 2-week travel extravanganza, one week in Arizona with two stops and one week in Hawai'i with 3 stops. My wife says that seems like 2 or 3 (or 4) stops too many to her, znd she may be right. My cousin's place in Arizona is in a valley floor that seems absolutely flat. I know it isn't, in fact it varys by quite a bit, but out west things aren't always what they seem. Up north in the basin there's an old lake bed that once held water but which is now mostly a salty playa. Some of the well-known Sandhill cranes still migrate here, and stand around in the playa looking like, where's the lake, dude? We heard them out in the desert vegetation, but didn't see them til the end of the visit, as I packed up the car for the drive back to Tucson. Then they flew over the house, honking their odd gurgly call. This was the scene of a pretty good volcanic eruption some bunch of millions of years ago. The Chiracahua Mountains to the east have these beds of welded tuft, that is thick beds of volcanic ash that landed hot enough to weld together into rock. Since then, vertical cracking in the welded tuft has allowed erosion to create a field of standing stone columns, with many balanced rocks where a horizontal crack has allowed erosion to create pairs of facing convex faces, like two balls balancing together in a stack of many rocks... The effect is pretty striking, with hundreds of standing columns like silent armies of rocks waiting for the turn of time to wear them down into sand and silt, which will eventually become sandstone or mudstone in a sedimentary formation millions of years into the future, if they don't get subducted into the magma tectonic plates float on. We actually drove out onto a local back road, and thru a couple of working ranches to a little piece of property for sale. The Arizona desert is cold at night here, even down around the Mexican border, but it stays pretty sunny, and this spot had a good southern exposure. No house, but there appears to be quartz crystals in some of the rocky voids in the loose scree. The road is nearly 4X4 quality, but we did get in in a 2-wheel drive jeep my cousin drives. The north corner of the lot is on top of a hill, the lot is sort of diamond or square with one corner tip pointing north; solar electric and hot water would both be easy on the lot, and it's high enough to allow for a windmill generator for cloudy days. But there isn't even a flat spot to build on, there would be dozer work and blasting to put in a pad and cesspool and all - with quartz showing, too. Sounds better and better to a rock hound. We spent 4 nights at my cousin's cabin. It doesn't seem that rural to us, since we live in a rural setting too. It's rural enough that her cocker spaniel got eaten by a mt. lion in the front yard not too long ago! But there's hi-speed connectivity, and hot and cold running water, so it's civilized enough for me. The high elevation in the Monument is about 7000 feet, if I recall correctly, and it was chilly and windy but sunny there when we toured. The views were great, but I don't know if there's much collecting in those mountains. There are some mines shown on the back side of the Monument, but it looks like it might be a pretty hard hike into them. We left for Tucson on Jan 30, and dropped by the InnSuites hotel for a couple of hours before checking in. I realized that the 4 pages single-spaced list of dealers meant that this was a really big hotel! and that I might not see every room this one day! I began to learn that I could just glance into many hotel rooms and realize that there was nothing inside I would want to buy in 5 or 10 seconds. I don't collect polished or tumbled or cabochoned rocks, nor statues much, and fossils are only interesting when they're both unusual and beautiful. And authentic, and sometimes it's hard to tell. I heard more than one story from dealers I visited with about nearly falling for an expensive fake. I suspect some who are burned and realize it after investing the cash just keep their mouth shut and hope to not get caught trying to sell one they didn't catch in time... My first visit to Tucson in 1998 we attended the "Big Shew" and I compared many beryl var emerald on matrix specimens, and found an attractive crystal well positioned on a grey/white calcite matrix, and I thought it the most attractive one for the price, just over $300 bucks. Very pretty, a partially gemmy bright green crystal on a pretty nice matrix with good positioning. Well a couple of years later, I got a UV lamp, and went around seeing which crystals and matrixes would glow. Guess what I found? A little invisible-to-the-naked-eye line of brightly reactive adhesive around the edge of that pretty green crystal!! yikes! it was at least repaired - that's how it looks, it fits too well to be a sculpted hole - I think... Well, shame on me for not asking, huh? Lesson learned, look at everything! Ask the hard questions too! After touring around the ground floors of two buildings at the InnSuites I rounded the end of a building into the center lawn of the place, and there were two guys building the articulated skeleton of a pterodactyl, about 12 feet high, and with a beak that could extract your brain in about point.two seconds! It was amazing, and they didn't seem to be interested in talking about it, just putting it together. There were a ton of nice fossils, from crinoids from Indiana with intact fronds and things up to dinosaurs and mastadons. I didn't really look at them much, except to just walk around and look or view the pretty rocks without seriously looking to buy. They were prime, many extracted from bed rock with abrasive air guns, using grit from a mineral ( or shell) just harder than the matrix and softer than the fossils. Spiny trilobytes, leafy crinoids, corals and urchins, even ancient mammals. Say, anybody hear any details about that woman arrested with a human skull in her luggage? I'd want to hand-carry my precious fossil, but they do use x-ray machines, or didn't anyone tell her about that? Quite a challange, getting a skull through security, isn't it? Wow, that is just so weird! I visited with and purchased rocks from John Cornish, who had not only a great display of his personally mined zeolites from Idaho, but also a great case full of Arizona rocks of some fame - many were used as professional models in The Mineralogy of Arizona, latest edition. These were perfect blues from Bisbee, greens from Morenci, calcites and copper minerals, beautiful rocks from about $4K and up. They were great, beautiful, shiny, brightly colored, flawless, etc. They cost like professional rock stars, too! I wanted several, but held my self down to a fluorescent Heulandite (tiny microscopic layer of Hyalite Opel that glows a little under the right stimulation) and a Calcite and Heulandite specimen, neither in the 3 figure range, but quite pretty. I looked at a lot of stuff I didn't want to buy, just to see what was around. We decided to idle back to the hotel (a not too nice motel about 2 miles further from the scene than the Smuggler's Inn) for Martha to kick down. I went out for carry out Thai food, which was OK. The next night we went to a nice Italian place near the hotel, the food was good but expensive, but what's a vacation for if not to spend money on expensive food? I spent the second day visiting the Smuggler's Inn on my way to the InnSuites. I had found that there were a lot of foreign dealers at the Smuggler's Inn, and I'm interested in fluorite from both China and Russia. Sure enough, there were a ton of fluorites from China, and I admired many on that first-pass through. Some of the Russian had mineral specimens, but many had mostly carved stone, boxes, cabs, bowls, statues, things like that, which don't really interest me. I was interested in Dal'negorsk fluorites and other minerals from the itneresting mining locale. Not much to see from there, tho. Nice green and purple translucent octohedrons from the Dee-ann mine, and big clear green cubes from a site called Xicinghuazling Mine in Hunan Povince. That's what the slip says, really it does! I waited to buy until I had seen more dealers' offerings, and headed on over to InnSuites about noon for just that purpose I stopped for lunch at an Eithopian restaraunt, I had heard that this was a tasty cuisine, and sure enough, it was deilcious. I got a 3-taste trial dinner, with three saucy items served on a thin layer of soft bread on a platter. There was another round of soft thin bread to pick up and eat the 3 dishes with, instead of forks and spoons. It was different and wonderful. I like new food experiences, and this was great. At the InnSuites, I got serious. I bought a box of loupes, some from Jeannie's Rock from Houston TX, and some from a dealer whose name I have forgotten. These were for a request from a friend who field collects with me often, Dan Kebles. I got into buying from folks I had wanted to see while at the bazaar. I also got a new higher-powered Versalume UV lamp from Jeannie's. I found the room of the Coromoto Mining folks of Mt Mica, Maine fame. They were having a great time in Tucson, I guess winter in Maine is still pretty real even with global warming, huh? While I was there a couple of them came back from a ride into the Superstition Mountains on a Harley...sounds like a vacation to me!! I got a couple of nice tourmaline specimens, a terminated crystal and a lump of quartz and feldspar with pale red and green tourmaline needles all over it, not terminated, but a lot of color. Very friendly, it was nice to talk about the Maine pegmatites with folks having such intimate knowledge of them. I've always wanted to attend both the Maine Mineral Symposium and the Pegmatite Workshop, but things are pretty busy, and that's a lot of travel for someone working 40 hours a week. Maybe year after next? I also saw Joe Dorris, who mines north of Florissant, CO, and collects and sells great Colorado rocks from all over. I got a couple of amazonite/smoky quartz combinations, and a nice but small aquamarine from Mt Antero, and a couple of tiny fluorites. We chatted about that high altitude collecting site for a while before I convinced myself to let go of enough money to cover all the rocks I needed from Colorado! Nice bright blue-green color with good crystal form, with prices for any budget...no I don't have an advertising agreement with any of these guys! I made several purchases that afternoon, and the next morning and early afternoon, before we broke for Phoenix and our flight to visit Daniel, my cousin in HI. The next morning, I bought some Chinese fluorites, and some Red Cloud Wulfenites from the Collector's Edge Wholesale outlet, CE Minerals at the Smugglers Inn, a flat of TNs and one big miniature. The price for the Mini was a little steep, but the TNs were relatively cheap, and I plan to trade some of them for some Cave-in-Rock minerals in the sping on a field trip to the Kentucky/Illinois Fluorite Field. Then we stopped briefly at a UPS store where we packed and shipped the rocks (and books, I buy a lot of books on tour) home to WV. They were here when we got home last night! And I was so tired I didn't even open any until today. Now the whole kitchen table is covered with lots of rocks! We had to eat dinner at the coffee table in the living room. I'm going to try a new brighter UV lamp out in just a couple of minutes on that whole table full! More news tomorrow. I gotta say it tho, if you love minerals, you owe it to yourself to visit Tucson for at least a couple or 3 days. It's just not explainable to anyone how cool it really is. Hope you enjoyed the report, I had a ball if you can't tell. JR in WV --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Paintricks at aol.com Sat Feb 11 19:03:31 2006 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 11 19:03:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] quake s of New Orleans /MISS Message-ID: No i was refering to the mississippi supposedly being one of the bigggest faults known. Not sure if this evenT could be related to this area. I used to live on the coast. kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Feb 11 19:06:55 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 11 19:06:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] quake s of New Orleans /MISS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My uninformed guess is that this quake was due to the sediment load in the offshore fan of the delta. It weighs so much that there may have been some crustal settling, geostacy. BK On 2/11/06, Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > > No i was refering to the mississippi supposedly being one of the bigggest > faults known. Not sure if this evenT could be related to this area. I > used to > live on the coast. > kevin > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Paintricks at aol.com Sat Feb 11 19:11:05 2006 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 11 19:11:14 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] quake s of New Orleans /MISS Message-ID: <92.35f44462.31200149@aol.com> Yea, the coastal shelf seriously drops off closer to the New Orleans delta than galveston. Sounds right. Thanks, Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Feb 11 20:29:10 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Feb 11 20:29:14 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans In-Reply-To: <1dc.4e287690.311eca1f@aol.com> Message-ID: IMHO, ther is not a known fault in this area and the sediment settling is very likely the cause. The New Madrid is centered somewhere around the Arkansas Missouri Ohio Illinois Kentucky Tennessee border area and there have been numerous small tremors there this year. As I have said before, I am amazed at the number and frequency of tremors on this old world. And the USGS site is always filled with recent shakes. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/ Glenn From: Paintricks@aol.com  Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:03:27 EST Are these in relation of the fault that supposed to be the Mississippi? Kevin ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Get MSN Messenger with FREE Video Conversation - the next best thing to being there! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Feb 12 12:30:28 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Feb 12 12:28:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: lots of geology maps for sale (not by me) In-Reply-To: <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> References: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <43EF9AE4.6050208@verizon.net> Hi all, While corresponding with a microscope dealer about some obscure parts I need, he offered me the following info about geology charts and maps for sale. "I do have lots of geology wall maps for sale (Colorado, Wyoming but no Idaho). Also oil and gas profiles. Plus glacial wall maps of USA. I am dying to move this stuff!! The catch, they would have to be folded, all are 4-6 ft. tall. I am looking at about $20/map plus shipping media mail rate, but I accept any offers. All are great to hang in an office or home lab. They really should be hand carried. Also have lots of topos. OSU threw out their map library." I believe he lives in Virginia, for those who would want to see this stock in person. I have no financial interest in this whatsoever, except I am hoping to get the maps sold so he will return the favor in kind. Please contact the seller *directly* and ask all detailed questions. Good luck! The address, in anti-spambot format, follows: his name: vapassoa the domain: @ameritech.net (put them together) Best regards, Don Halterman From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 12 12:38:18 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 12 12:35:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds@drizzle Website Change References: <000001c62f4b$6b6d84b0$213cbfd8@sdouglas> Message-ID: <43EF9C28.4B40@Tomaszewski.net> The new admin team officially took over at the start of the year after several months of transition. We put the new website up a couple weeks ago to replace the old site that went away at the end of December. It has been advertised in the trailer on every list message since then. We still have a lot of work to do on the new website (and we're quite open to constructive suggestions), but it is a start. Kreigh For the Rockhounds@Drixxle.com List Admin Team CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > > I was checking the validity of the links at the CCFMS website > (http://www.ccfms.ca/) today and noticed the website for the > Rockhounds@drizzle mailing list > (http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds) kept coming back as "Not > Found"! After a little bit of sleuthing, I found an alternate website > for the Rockhounds mailing list at > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html. Is this > officially the new website for this list? When did this change over > occur? > > Stephen Douglas > CCFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > web_admin@ccfms.ca > http://www.ccfms.ca/ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rpr at heidelberg.edu Sun Feb 12 13:16:40 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:16:46 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldstein In-Reply-To: <43EF9C28.4B40@Tomaszewski.net> References: <000001c62f4b$6b6d84b0$213cbfd8@sdouglas> <43EF9C28.4B40@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Can someone give me an email address for Alan Goldstein? Thanks (I'm sure someone will...) Pete Richards -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sun Feb 12 13:23:05 2006 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:23:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldstein Message-ID: <380-22006201221235540@earthlink.net> Here is Alan's emil address: deepskyspy@insightbb.com Hope this helps, Mark > [Original Message] > From: R. Peter Richards > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 2/12/2006 4:17:46 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldstein > > Can someone give me an email address for Alan Goldstein? > > Thanks (I'm sure someone will...) > > Pete Richards > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From totis99 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 14:08:30 2006 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Sun Feb 12 14:08:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds@drizzle Website Change In-Reply-To: <43EF9C28.4B40@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20060212220830.5452.qmail@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kreigh, just a FYI.....in the trailer of your email with the list address you have drizzle spelled with x :), thought you might want to change it. Teresa --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > The new admin team officially took over at the start > of the year after > several months of transition. We put the new website > up a couple weeks > ago to replace the old site that went away at the > end of December. It > has been advertised in the trailer on every list > message since then. > > We still have a lot of work to do on the new website > (and we're quite > open to constructive suggestions), but it is a > start. > > Kreigh > For the Rockhounds@Drixxle.com List Admin Team > > > > CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > > > > I was checking the validity of the links at the > CCFMS website > > (http://www.ccfms.ca/) today and noticed the > website for the > > Rockhounds@drizzle mailing list > > (http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds) kept > coming back as "Not > > Found"! After a little bit of sleuthing, I found > an alternate website > > for the Rockhounds mailing list at > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html. > Is this > > officially the new website for this list? When did > this change over > > occur? > > > > Stephen Douglas > > CCFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > > web_admin@ccfms.ca > > http://www.ccfms.ca/ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 15:00:42 2006 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Feb 12 15:00:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories In-Reply-To: <200602080209.k1829Csf026228@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20060212230042.12705.qmail@web60818.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I just got back and have been unpacking all morning from the Tuscon show. I know this discussion was 5 days ago and is old news by now, but I thought I'd offer my observations anyway related to the previous discussion. I visited hundreds of vendors outside the Main Show and was able to buy in bulk and individual specimens altho I do not possess the business credentials. Although I did notice some vendors who maintained their wholesale only restrictions (Top Gem, Jewel Tunnel etc), I visited hundreds of vendors who did not in the hotel rooms, tent cities, and at the show proper. I visited the Days Inn, Riverwalk, Inn Suites, Clarion, Executive Suites and made the arduous journey uptown to the Smugglers Inn, as well as the tent cities a block away from Exec suites. (Feet are pretty well shredded now). There is a nice list available from the convention bureau website that tells you precisely which hotel shows feature what (jewelry, fossils, minerals, etc) and very clearly delineate between wholesalers and open to the public. I just deleted those wholesale only events from my list. Hotels such as the Exec inn and smugglers inn did have wholesale only rooms (such as various ballrooms) but they had hundreds of other vendors in their rooms or outside selling to the public, so I didn't feel at all put out by these few to-the-trade only vendors. So, I was able to buy flats of many things at wholesale prices, as well as individual specimens, some being 50% less than I have paid at regular local shows. But on a separate note, if you are a serious collector, or if you are relatively new to the hobby, this extravaganza is so intense, so wonderful, you can't NOT go. I saw so many things I had never seen before, such as the French aragonite that looked like impossibly delicate coral tendrils, and saw things with quartz and calcite that I had no idea could occur and gave me a whole new appreciation for these minerals. The cabinet and decorator minerals (18" microcline xls with aqua and mica) rarely make the regional shows, so they were wonderful to see and fantasize about. Seeing the vastitude of diversity in minerals at this show gave a whole new scope to my future collecting endeavors. I was stunned to see the varieties in the Canadian minerals (the featured show country), and the collections on display at the Convention Center nearly brought me to tears. It was better than the smithsonian and rivaled collections like harvard or other museums I'd been to. The Proctor collection was a great example (from Colorado?). Some of the dealers are so high end, that they ARE like going to a museum, so that is fun to visit and it is fun to imagine someone will pay $100K for an impossibly large and perfect aquamarine. For me, these collections and vendors are an education to how I need to plan my own collection. The only complaints I'd make about the Tuscon convention center show (and only if pressed) were the overpriced food, the long lines to get it, and the ATMs at the convention center being out of cash or out of commission by noon on friday. Several vendors didn't have a phone line to use their Visa machines so it limited some buying opportunities (ok, good for me by my third day of madness). But the volunteers helping the show were very helpful, friendly and made the visit pleasant and well run. Seeing some of the really high end stuff, and how the dealers compete with each other also provided some useful lessons on the market and selling of minerals. It also helps to know what is ridiculously inflated--by shopping other vendors from that locale, you can get a better idea of prices on everything that you can't at small regional shows. Cavansite is a good example. The prices on this ranged so widely, it was only after seeing it at 5 places that I could snap up an excellent deal when I finally found it. I was able to shop a couple small dealers at days inn and inn suites with limited local merchandise from their cities, with unreal prices for decent stuff ($20 a flat of French microcline feldspar w/ good quartz and magnetite that just needs cleaning, or $20 for a flat of calcites including about 7-8 excellent calcite butterfly twins, $30 a flat for Himalayan quartz clusters, some with undamaged xls up to 4 inches). On none of these latter three deals did I have to bargain (would have been ashamed, given their bargain prices). These dealers just wanted to liquidate so they didn't have to carry the stuff home the next day. Another fun thing about tucson was the variety of non mineral related merchandise. There were (low end) 7' x 2' pashmina wool scarfs for $15, middle eastern clothes for pretty inexpensive, afghani silver costume jewelry and clothing priced at half that you'd find in boutiques, and wonderful house decor for spouses who may not be keen on the seeing another daggone mineral. My friends had a blast with this stuff after being pooped out on minerals. Regarding hotels, I found that hotel prices are like those of minerals--shop around. I was able to book a room on arrival at one of the event hotels for 20% cheaper than found online ($89 a nite vs 109 on line). Even better, there were several very respectable motels around the city with very normal reasonable rates such as $50-60 a nite and only half occupancy during the week I was there. These motels are not advertised and likely do not have a website or are represented on the convention bureau or chamber of commerce website. Overall, this show was for me one of the best experiences I have had and I thank those of you like Andrew T, David E, Pete M, Eugene H, and several others for information and advice on where to go and how to shop. Thanks to Erich Kern for the great website on fossil fakes which allowed me to spot quite a few fakes and stop a friend from purchasing them. I think either Andrew or Pete M suggested the smugglers inn where despairing dealers with little or no traffic were eager to deal (and give you a card as to where they'd be next year--and it wouldn't be smuggler's inn, apparently). This meant great deals for us. It was great being around so many people with a similar interest in minerals, and meeting people from around the world with the same interst. Back to cataloguing and photographing my new acquisitions. Tina Message: 9 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:56:49 -0700 From: "Margaret Malm" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Tucson Stories To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <000901c62c20$a2779780$0200a8c0@kadok> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Don makes many excellent points. I think that a lot of people really just do not realize that, except for the "Main Event", the Tucson shows(s) are "wholesale TO THE TRADE" (emphasis mine) -- for business people only - and are thus limited as to who may attend. If you are (as I am) not one of these, then you go to the "Main event" and you ignore the rest; it is not meant for you. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 12 15:29:14 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 12 15:26:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds@drizzle Website Change References: <20060212220830.5452.qmail@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43EFC41E.24A1@Tomaszewski.net> I learned to touch type on a typewronger and my typing hasn't gotten any better since I moved to a computer keyboard. Kreigh teresa otis wrote: > > Kreigh, > just a FYI.....in the trailer of your email with the > list address you have drizzle spelled with x :), > thought you might want to change it. > > Teresa > > --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > The new admin team officially took over at the start > > of the year after > > several months of transition. We put the new website > > up a couple weeks > > ago to replace the old site that went away at the > > end of December. It > > has been advertised in the trailer on every list > > message since then. > > > > We still have a lot of work to do on the new website > > (and we're quite > > open to constructive suggestions), but it is a > > start. > > > > Kreigh > > For the Rockhounds@Drixxle.com List Admin Team > > > > > > > > CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > > > > > > I was checking the validity of the links at the > > CCFMS website > > > (http://www.ccfms.ca/) today and noticed the > > website for the > > > Rockhounds@drizzle mailing list > > > (http://www.drizzle.com/~afox/rockhounds) kept > > coming back as "Not > > > Found"! After a little bit of sleuthing, I found > > an alternate website > > > for the Rockhounds mailing list at > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html. > > Is this > > > officially the new website for this list? When did > > this change over > > > occur? > > > > > > Stephen Douglas > > > CCFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > > > web_admin@ccfms.ca > > > http://www.ccfms.ca/ From Bobslgn at aol.com Sun Feb 12 15:27:20 2006 From: Bobslgn at aol.com (Bobslgn@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 12 15:27:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Jade Fever In Mariposa Message-ID: <90.6f049488.31211e58@aol.com> Jade Fever In Mariposa, San Joaquin Valley, CA - Trip Report Thanks to the list, Mas/Mills Plus and some internet satellite photo work, my friend I were ready to look for the illusive Jade dike reported to habitat the foothills between Coulterville and Bear Valley. The saga begins in the little town of Coulterville which sits at the intersection of Highways 49 and 132. Many of the buildings constructed during the gold rush days remain, some still in current use. There is also a museum, which is worth a look. But not this trip, we were on a quest and going for that early start. Armed with a jeep and quads we bristled at the thought of cornering our prey. But first, a little about the landscape and geology. Highway 49 flows along the foothills of the Sierra Nevada, moving from one historical mining town to another. It has been both a warm and wet winter thus far. The hills are green and dotted with some oaks, varieties of pines, manzanita, smaller shrubs and grasses. Most of the streams and creeks are flowing. Roughly along the ribbon of 49 one finds the mother load gold belt. Here we are very near the Melones fault and masses of serpentine and greenstone are common. We also see large veins of quartz. In some places we may also find basalt capping the ancient tertiary gold bearing gravels. We expect to find the jade in or near one of the serpentine deposits which jut up or form the top of some of the small hills. Serpentine deposits provide many colors. You may see shades from pale green to dark almost black green, which weathers to shades of brown and orange. Ah but our quest awaits. From Coulterville we take 49 and travel southeast . We leave the main highway and travel east, roughly toward Cat Town. The sides of our dirt road are heavily overgrown with occasional open spaces where we see claim markers. As we reach a fork in the road we stop to check our maps, to the right. Off we go again, then it happens, the feared no trespassing sign. We check our maps again and decide this part of the road may be private. While our destination is on BLM public land it appears that part of the road is privately maintained on private property. We decide to go back to a house and vehicle storage area near the road fork. Can?t find anyone. It is a beautiful sunny day and we have a quest. Back out the way we came and park along a wide point in the road, unload the quads and ready for reconnaissance. Now mind you that this is only the second time I have driven a quad, but more about that later. After checking out a few two tracks which lead no-where we find ourselves back at the crossroads and luck is with us. Three men are there operating some small rock crushing equipment. One man owns the property at the crossroads and the others are prospectors looking for his advice on possible gold ore samples. We look at rock samples, some pannings of the crushed rock, and talk about gold and eventually jade. To our great surprise the gracious prospectors invite to guide us through their claim to where they believe a jade deposit might be found. There is a brief mention of road description, which seemed to escape me, again more later. Our hosts jump in their 4X4 and head off up a hill to a two track to a gate in the cattle fence. We run along the jeep trail through scrub oaks and pines. Parts of the road are steep and rough. Did I mention this was only my second time on a quad. Rule number one for quad riding. Don?t put you foot down and try to drive it like a motorcycle -- the rear wheel wants to run up the back of your leg. Thank goodness for high boots and luck, no injury. A bit further and our host stops, his son runs back to us and says make sure you stay on the big rocks. My friend says no problem and a little voice in my head says oh expletive deleted. My little voice was right, for an inexperienced rider rut and crevasse straddling and rock jumping doesn?t give you any time to recognize if the rocks are andesite, greenstone, or serpentine because you are too busy trying to avoid getting a closer look. I push the thought out of my mind that this is the way I must go to leave. After surviving ruts and boulders things mellow out and I can notice the beauty of the green vegetation as we motor along to the claim. My friend is a geologist and we spend some time with the prospectors discussing the lay of the land and their mining efforts. Our host brings out a topo and points out the location of where he thinks the jade may be hiding. The sun is high and we take our long sleeve shirts and stuff them in our packs. We have a short ride and then we are on foot. We need to climb around a small hill and look for an old claim marker. Serpentine is everywhere along with greenstone and an occasional patch of basalt maybe andesite. Not much evidence of quartz. The brush is thick and we must work around the hill following an deer trail. Man those critters like steep paths. As we work around the hill we can look down into a gully and can pick out a vein of what appears to be asbestos exposed by erosion, too steep without ropes and safety equipment to check it out. We have reached a higher altitude no oaks now, only pines some kind of thorny brush and beautiful, unusual little plants which are probable in the cactus family. One looks like a sea anemone, when it is open. Reaching the saddle of the crest, there it is the old claim marker. We look at the moldy topo, in the medicine bottle on the claim, showing the expired claim and wonder what kind of claim it is. The crest of the hill appears to be all serpentine but we need to skirt around more heavy brush. We come upon a two track and follow it for a bit, there are plenty of outcrops and odd rocks worthy of shot of the hammer. Hmm this rock is very heavy and has black ridges. which seem to have resisted weathering the rusty red softer material has succumbed to. Wack, heavily mineralized metallic grey, probably silver sulfide, iron and more. We?ll give a piece of this to the prospectors and see if they want to get an assay. On the back of the hill now. The top appears to be massive serpentine and there are chunks which appear to have weathered out. Most are soft but some are hard, still others look odd with an almost crystalline appearance. A rare few have few have a light Ming green center which is probably jade. Time for a break to get out the loop look at specimens and oopse the lunch is back in the truck. We were supposed to be on a reconnaissance going back to the truck for tools and supplies before mounting the major assault. Good thing we have water. At the top now, some of this material is the typical dark green serpentine with light layers, soft and easily fractured also some massive round bolder looking material probably also serpentine, but much denser/harder and tough. Some of this is beautiful stuff and would be good for carving, like to take a chunk for my nephew, but at the thought trying to carry it back to the truck, the old bad knee twinges. I need a better way to move a large piece besides my backpack. My hunger reminds me that it is getting on toward late afternoon, my water is almost gone and I remember the ruts and boulders I face on the way out. We haven?t explored as much as I would like, but we have a standing invitation, from our host, to come back again, he has more he wants to show to us. We snake back down the mountain thank our new friends, give them the suspect silver sulfide, so they can run an assay, say good by and mount up, vowing to return. After all that illusive jade is still out there. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sun Feb 12 17:02:54 2006 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sun Feb 12 17:03:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldstein Message-ID: <380-2200621131254996@earthlink.net> Hi Pete, Here is Alan's email address: deepskyspy@insightbb.com Hope this helps, Mark > [Original Message] > From: R. Peter Richards > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 2/12/2006 4:17:46 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Alan Goldstein > > Can someone give me an email address for Alan Goldstein? > > Thanks (I'm sure someone will...) > > Pete Richards > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 18:22:37 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Feb 12 18:22:41 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report - part two The Volcano Message-ID: <20060213022237.28015.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all: We've been home a little less than 48 hours, now, and it's snowed the most we've had in several years. Only fair, I guess, since we've returned from our first fun trip to a warm place in several years. Our senior dog, Annie, who was ailing when we left has declined a great deal, and is on her last legs. She has been a wonderful companion for us for 15 or 16 years, and we will miss her a lot. It's good that we got home when we did. We would have hated to be gone when she needs us most. We spent nights in 3 places in Arizona, and wound up spending nights in 3 places on the Big Island of Hawai'i. First 4 nights at my cousin Daniel's, which is a nice place at about 1500 feet above south Kona. One thing we learned in the Sandwich Islands is that without elevation you don't know what the climate is. At 1500 feet the evenings are quite cool after the sun goes down, so much that Daniel doesn't use air conditioning at all. There are large black lava fields to be crossed on the way from the airport into Kona town itself, and even more as you drive north of the airport. You can tell the common lava types at a glance, A'a is rough pointy clinkers of rock, and Pahoehoe lava is a smooth folded heavy black rock, with ridges a few cm in width. I understand that the Indian Trap Rock deposits are layers of A'a and Pahoehoe, and that only the pahoehoe is useful for construction, but that many minerals occur in the A'a layers, which are more likely to have voids to be filled with crystals. After a relaxing 3 days at Daniels, we took off south for Volcano, the village. We had an appointment with the Volcano Guest House, a B&B in the fern forest on the side of the volcano in the Volcano National Park, which is just a few hundred yards from the village, at about 3000 feet elevation. The Guest House has 4 buildings, a house with in-law apartment and 3 free-standing buildings for guests. The fern forest is for real, the ferns are up to 20 feet high, and trunks up to a foot thick! Bonnie, the hostess at the Guest House, told us that at one time they used the trunks of the ferns to build roads, like old-time corderoy roads, and that the stems had fibers so tough that they didn't decay and remained useful for years. Later she told me that all the land now part of the guest house (and being sub-divided for residential homes by now) were once grazing land on farms, and that if you cut the ferns and keep it mowed, it turns into grassland. But if you quit mowing and take the cattle off, the ferns come right back. They look like fiddle-head ferns coming up, but are the size of the head end of a bass fiddle, like clubs or lacross sticks. The feral pigs root up the ferns for a starchy center they can eat. The next day we met Kitty and went to the Park HQ. She has a distinctive 4x4, an old Montero, and the first thing we did was take a look at the book shop (what the park service calls the 'gift shop', they do sell things other than books! go figure!). While there, a voice called out "Hello, Martha Hodel!" It was Kate and Mira from back home in Lincoln county! And Mira's boyfriend, Joe. I knew Kate was going to be in Hawaii, but we hadn't arranged to meet. Not only did we run into those friends, but then Kate saw another couple she knew from Hurricane, WV, just north of Lincoln County!! What were the odds?! Well, actually, approaching unity, because it did happen without planning at all! Then we went outside to head for the real volcano, but OOPS!! Kitty's truck was DOA. We got a lift from Mira and Kate back to the Guest House to pick up our vehicle, and Kitty called her mechanic, and then left a message for her husband, Bill. The plan was for us to proceed with the grand volcano tour, and then to pass by the HQ to see if the Montero was gone, replaced by Bill's Saturn wagon. We drove around the crater, and stopped at a short hike to an overlook down into the caldera itself. The pictures and descriptions of this area 50 or a hundred years ago are hard to believe, the floor which is now black and grey and brown rock with steam rising from fumeroles, was then red hot liquid lava frothing is a fury. The pictures and films are quite exciting. I bought 3 DVDs at the Park HQ book shop, and can't wait for them to arrive. The first set of parcels from Arizona were waiting when we got home, I got the Mineralogy of Arizona and both volumes of the History of Mining in Arizona, and several other natural history books, as well as two boxes of rocks I mentioned in the first report. After looking at the crater and caldera we drove on down to the scene where the lava is entering the Pacific, after passing through several lava fields from various flows over the years. There are geological maps around many places where you can see when any given flow occurred. Many that poured out 75 or a 100 years ago look nearly as fresh as the flows on the 1980s. >From the huge bench where the main caldera sits, and where the village of Volcano sits, there is a giant drop off of 1500 or more feet down to sea level. You can see smoke from woods being burned by the lava flow coming from the woods on that bench, and equally as large and much more impressive is the gouts of steam from the meeting of red hot liquid rock and the Pacific Ocean. We walked out from the barricades along the road, and Kitty sat down on a picnic table to wait while we walked as far as we wanted to to see the steam show. On the way back I noticed a visitor getting his knee bandaged by a Park Ranger. No question, if you stumbled or tripped, you could put a major hurt on your tender parts or knees! Then, as we climbed higher and higher from sea level back to the level of the Park HQ, we stopped and walked across a lava field. Kitty showed us a huge crack, or crevice, where huge gouts of molten lava were hurled into the air hundreds of feet, falling back on the downwind side of the crack and forming ridges of rock 20 feet high....rough and black with very sharp edges and points. A'a lava for sure. You can remember which is which, because when you have to cross A'a lava you shout "AAhhh, Aahhh!!" if you mis-step!! You can still feel the violence of the activity, looking down into the bowels of the earth into the cracks and pits, many with tiny ferns trying to get a start on remediating these piles of rock. Martha remarked at one point that the caldera had an amazing resemblance to a big open mine, like the Lavender Pit at Bisbee, that we visited just a week before! After leaving the Park land, we collected a few pieces of Kittly's famous irridescent lava. It is just black bubbly slag-looking rock, but then the light catches that irridescense, and it gleams a bright red or green or purple. We looked at so many holes and crevices and lava fields, it is amazing to think about the variety. The next day Martha and I visited the art gallery at Park HQ, and bought some "Lava Glass" art glass, and I bought some very nice volcanic eruption photographs. Framed in Koa wood, they were in the low-to-mid 4 digit prices, but unframed, even I could afford a couple of nice ones. There were great oils, pots, ceramics, wood furniture and art, a ton of beautiful things, many reflecting the might of the Volcano. Then we hiked around the edge of the caldera passing fern covered pits into the center of the earth, and crevasses with steam and sulpherous fumes boiling out into the fern forest. Active vents were inclined to have steamed ferns down in their throats. There was a place called the Sulfur Bank, where fumes were coming up through a big stack of boulders. On the bottom of these boulders, where vents were active, there were millions of tiny stalactites of crystaline sulfur. I tried to get photos of these things, but haven't yet processed them from camera to computer, and then processed into actual photos. So far they're still just as potential as undeveloped film negatives. We visited the musuem, where you can see seismographs recording the tiny vibrations the volcano makes as it breaths steam and fire...pretty impressive. Then we broke for Hilo, and had a snack, and called Kitty for guide service to the cedar place on the hill. They have a great old big dog, and a big brass bell on a stand by the front door. The only part of the house that's air conditioned all the time is apparently the study/library. Both Kitty and Bill have desks, computers, and hundreds of books in a controlled clinate, essential in a place as wet as the Hilo side of the Big Island. The direction of the prevailing winds creates a rainy side of the islands, and a dry side, downwind, where most of the water has already been shed over on the wet side. The fact that there was almost no rain on the Wet Side while we visited is probably why there's 8 or 10 inches of snow outside my plce right now! We had a nice visit with the Heacox family, who are gracious hosts with a beautiful place to live up on the hill overlooking Hilo, with waterfalls sounding in the woods nearby, and spice trees in the yard, the automated farm gate was the final touch on a wonderful day. The next day we wound up the east side of the Big Island, and stopped to see the Pacific surf pounding on the lava boulders and cliffs. There's a 50s Diner about 20 miles out of Hilo, with an Elvis room, and a Betty Boop room, and sandwiches and fries right out of the 50s. We had a good lunch, and hit the road for the Kona side. The next day, we flew to San Diego, and then on Friday, a 3 hop set of flights home, just ahead of the snow storm, which I guess now has the whole east coast of the country more or less frozen to a stop. We were totally bushed when we got home about 9 Friday night. Dan Kebles, my collecting pal, kept the home fires birning while we were gone, and cared for the elderly pets (the young ones, too of course!) as best as could be done. We're still pretty tired, but will have to rest in between the things that must be taken care of as the week starts in the morning. Back to work and all that... Keep on Rockin' folks! JR (back!) in WV --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 19:28:49 2006 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Feb 12 19:28:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060213032849.42377.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I disagree. There is a ton of faults out there. I have ssen them on seismic form the oil industry. This could easily be part of he salt tectonics going on as well as sediment "settling" (glide along a growth fault). --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > IMHO, ther is not a known fault in this area and the > sediment settling is very likely the cause. > > The New Madrid is centered somewhere around the > Arkansas Missouri Ohio Illinois Kentucky Tennessee > border area and there have been numerous small > tremors there this year. > > As I have said before, I am amazed at the number and > frequency of tremors on this old world. > > And the USGS site is always filled with recent > shakes. > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/ > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > From: Paintricks@aol.com >  Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans > > Date: > Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:03:27 EST > > Are these in relation of the fault that supposed to > be the Mississippi? > Kevin > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > Get MSN Messenger with FREE Video Conversation - the > next best thing to being there! > ------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 12 20:03:16 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 12 19:59:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans References: <20060213032849.42377.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43F00431.450A@Tomaszewski.net> Since there still seems to be interest in this quake, I fished thru my trash folder and found I still had the notice from the USGS on the quake giving the exact location and depth. 10km down suggests something related to salt given the location. Kreigh Subject: 2006-02-10 04:14 (Ms 5.2) GULF OF MEXICO 27.6 -90.1 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:27:10 -0800 (PST) From: ens@usgs.gov (USGS ENS) To: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT == Region: GULF OF MEXICO Geographic coordinates: 27.633N, 90.141W Magnitude: 5.2 Ms Depth: 10 km Universal Time (UTC): 10 Feb 2006 04:14:17 Time near the Epicenter: 9 Feb 2006 22:14:17 Local time in your area: 10 Feb 2006 04:14:17 Location with respect to nearby cities: 178 km (110 miles) S (184 degrees) of Grand Isle, LA 196 km (122 miles) S (176 degrees) of Golden Meadow, LA 201 km (125 miles) SSW (198 degrees) of Buras-Triumph, LA 260 km (162 miles) S (182 degrees) of New Orleans, LA This event has been reviewed by a seismologist at NEIC For subsequent updates, maps, and technical information, see: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/usizan.php or http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ National Earthquake Information Center U.S. Geological Survey http://neic.usgs.gov DISCLAIMER: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/ens/disclaimer.html Stephen Stover wrote: > > I disagree. There is a ton of faults out there. I > have ssen them on seismic form the oil industry. This > could easily be part of he salt tectonics going on as > well as sediment "settling" (glide along a growth > fault). > > --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > IMHO, ther is not a known fault in this area and the > > sediment settling is very likely the cause. > > > > The New Madrid is centered somewhere around the > > Arkansas Missouri Ohio Illinois Kentucky Tennessee > > border area and there have been numerous small > > tremors there this year. > > > > As I have said before, I am amazed at the number and > > frequency of tremors on this old world. > > > > And the USGS site is always filled with recent > > shakes. > > > > http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/ > > > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Paintricks@aol.com > >  Subject: > > Re: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans > > > > Date: > > Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:03:27 EST > > > > Are these in relation of the fault that supposed to > > be the Mississippi? > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Feb 12 20:29:26 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:29:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans In-Reply-To: <43F00431.450A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Agreed. As a matter of fact we have several salt domes inland in the gulf area. Some are actively used now and others have been in the not so distant past. I found some fosiils and Alabama agate near one recently. But, what about tectonic plate faults? There has been a rash of shaking near Puerto Rico and Dominica lately that is probably tectonic, but that was a pretty good one in The Gulf Of Mexico a t 5.2! Glenn From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Kreigh@tomaszewski.net Since there still seems to be interest in this quake, I fished thru my trash folder and found I still had the notice from the USGS on the quake giving the exact location and depth. 10km down suggests something related to salt given the location. Kreigh  == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==  Region: GULF OF MEXICO Geographic coordinates: 27.633N, 90.141W Magnitude: 5.2 Ms Depth: 10 km Universal Time (UTC): 10 Feb 2006 04:14:17 Time near the Epicenter: 9 Feb 2006 22:14:17 Local time in your area: 10 Feb 2006 04:14:17 Location with respect to nearby cities:  178 km (110 miles) S (184 degrees) of Grand Isle, LA  196 km (122 miles) S (176 degrees) of Golden Meadow, LA  201 km (125 miles) SSW (198 degrees) of Buras-Triumph, LA  260 km (162 miles) S (182 degrees) of New Orleans, LA This event has been reviewed by a seismologist at NEIC For subsequent updates, maps, and technical information, see: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/usizan.php or http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ National Earthquake Information Center U.S. Geological Survey http://neic.usgs.gov DISCLAIMER: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/ens/disclaimer.html Stephen Stover wrote:  I disagree. There is a ton of faults out there. I  have ssen them on seismic form the oil industry. This  could easily be part of he salt tectonics going on as  well as sediment "settling" (glide along a growth  fault).  --- Glenn Wimpee <pawpawtiger@hotmail.com> wrote:  IMHO, ther is not a known fault in this area and the  sediment settling is very likely the cause.  The New Madrid is centered somewhere around the  Arkansas Missouri Ohio Illinois Kentucky Tennessee  border area and  tremors there this year.  As I have said before, I am amazed at the number and  frequency of tremors on this old world.  And the USGS site is always filled with recent  shakes.   http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/  Glenn      From: Paintricks@aol.com  Re: [Rockhounds] 5.2 earthquake south of New Orleans  Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:03:27 EST  Are these in relation of the fault that supposed to  be the Mississippi? Kevin ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 12 20:33:50 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:30:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: lots of geology maps for sale (not by me) References: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> <43EF9AE4.6050208@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43F00B57.63AE@Tomaszewski.net> Don, Large maps and posters are normally rolled up and shipped in cardboard tubes so they don't have to be folded. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Hi all, > > While corresponding with a microscope dealer about some obscure parts I > need, he offered me the following info about geology charts and maps for > sale. > > "I do have lots of geology wall maps for sale (Colorado, Wyoming but no > Idaho). Also oil and gas profiles. Plus glacial wall maps of USA. I am > dying to move this stuff!! The catch, they would have to be folded, all > are 4-6 ft. tall. I am looking at about $20/map plus shipping media > mail rate, but I accept any offers. All are great to hang in an office > or home lab. They really should be hand carried. Also have lots of > topos. OSU threw out their map library." > > I believe he lives in Virginia, for those who would want to see this > stock in person. > > I have no financial interest in this whatsoever, except I am hoping to > get the maps sold so he will return the favor in kind. Please contact > the seller *directly* and ask all detailed questions. Good luck! > > The address, in anti-spambot format, follows: > > his name: vapassoa > the domain: @ameritech.net (put them together) > > Best regards, > Don Halterman > From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 20:54:38 2006 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Sun Feb 12 20:55:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound Magazine In-Reply-To: <43F00B57.63AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20060213045439.88275.qmail@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know for sure when the last issue of Rockhound Magazine was published? The last issue I've found is dated August, 1980. Thanks, Tom Bowers --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Lapidry at aol.com Sun Feb 12 21:12:16 2006 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 12 21:12:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound Magazine Message-ID: <22d.6447e53.31216f30@aol.com> In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:56:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, tomrbowers@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone know for sure when the last issue of Rockhound Magazine was published? The last issue I've found is dated August, 1980. Thanks, Tom Bowers I think you've got it. that's the last issue I have also... Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From herkymore at yahoo.com Sun Feb 12 21:59:59 2006 From: herkymore at yahoo.com (Harold Robinson) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:00:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock saw Message-ID: <20060213055959.13925.qmail@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 2 or 3 weeks ago someone asked if there was someone in the Boise area that could cut rocks.I replied with an E mail but never heard back. I deleted everthing. You can reach me at herkymore@yahoo.com herk in Idaho. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 13 06:01:10 2006 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Feb 13 06:01:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] JW's emerald Message-ID: <20060213140110.MJKU1775.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> JW: I bought some emeralds from Brazil iat the 2003 Grassy Creek/Spruce Pine NC Show , out of a 55 gallon drum. These were difinitely IN MATRIX, a black phologpite schist with the emerald also intergrown with quartzite. I did manage, after considerable time , effort and a box of industrial razor blades, to uncover a clump of intergrown emeralds of "aquarium gravel" grade, but also a beautiful fist-sized cluster topped with a bottle green stone about 1.5x1x.75 inches. Since I had been travelling with friends with children, I was not able to indulge my inclination to jump into the barrel. Better yet, I went thru the steps necessary to learn how to clean the stones, and their peculiarities. The next year Iknew exactly what I waanted and where to get it. I reported directly to the dealer who had it/them, and even helped him get set up. After perusing his "last year's" bins, which were well worked over, I helped him dump out a 55 gallon drum filled with emeralds in matrix. I spent all day there, selecting stones, to the extent that I pretty much neglected seeing the rest of the show. I also attracted so much attention (i.e.sales), that the dealers gave me a really nice break on the price.That was good, 'cause I carried off 15 lbs, and left 5 more, due to budget restrictions.I spent the next several weeks (months, really), because I 'm still cleaning and sorting the material after nearly 2 years. What I found is that emeralds are really difficlut to clean out of matrix. Like all beryls, they want to break along the cleavage plane, which (of course) is across the length of the crystal. Also being zoned, sometimes that beautiful, clear green on top of the cloudy bottom WILL snap off as one removes the quartzite that supports it. I'm not at all shy about using the good ol' Epoxy 330 to repair my good looking crystals, but I do not sell them at a Show, either. The point is, if you want to be a "Purist" about crystals, bring a LOT of money with you. But also:Let the Buyer Beware. I found it easier on my pocketbook and mental comfort to go for the raw stuff, then work for what I like at my cleaning table. If I break a few, as it's been known to happen, then I am not out a lot of money, and I can only blame myself. On the other hand, I have some gorgeous cabinet specimens for taking a chance on the unknown. EJW From pbhewitt at comcast.net Mon Feb 13 11:08:59 2006 From: pbhewitt at comcast.net (Paul) Date: Mon Feb 13 11:09:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] unknown fluorescents References: <006401c62f16$5d2f6150$6400a8c0@hppav> Message-ID: <000f01c630d0$f2488e90$6601a8c0@maingear> I have several mineral specimens from Prospect Park, Pa that I just looked at under UV light. Much to my surprise there were some that glowed different colors. Especially surprising was one that appears to have a bright orange coating on it. I know very little about fluorescent minerals and I dont even know where to start to identify them. If I had an up-to-date list of minerals found there that fluoresced I might have better luck. Is it possible to identify them by their color under UV or do have to know what they are first? I know there is apatite there but I am not sure what color it is under UV. I have put up a small webpage with photos and descriptions at: www.paulsminerals.com/glow2/glow.html . Any help would be positively lovely! Paul From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Feb 13 11:52:51 2006 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 13 11:52:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] JW's emerald References: <20060213140110.MJKU1775.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <000501c630d7$13413420$6400a8c0@Junior> Fun stuff! Couple of suggestions - use a water soluble glue to repair/reinforce your specimens, and mark down on the label what's been done. The repair is then easily reversible, and you'll know what's been done years from now. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] JW's emerald > JW: > I bought some emeralds from Brazil iat the 2003 Grassy Creek/Spruce Pine > NC Show , out of a 55 gallon drum. These were difinitely IN MATRIX, a > black phologpite schist with the emerald also intergrown with quartzite. I > did manage, after considerable time , effort and a box of industrial razor > blades, to uncover a clump of intergrown emeralds of "aquarium gravel" > grade, but also a beautiful fist-sized cluster topped with a bottle green > stone about 1.5x1x.75 inches. Since I had been travelling with friends > with children, I was not able to indulge my inclination to jump into the > barrel. Better yet, I went thru the steps necessary to learn how to clean > the stones, and their peculiarities. The next year Iknew exactly what I > waanted and where to get it. I reported directly to the dealer who had > it/them, and even helped him get set up. After perusing his "last year's" > bins, which were well worked over, I helped him dump out a 55 gallon drum > filled with emeralds in matrix. I spent ! > all day there, selecting stones, to the extent that I pretty much > neglected seeing the rest of the show. I also attracted so much attention > (i.e.sales), that the dealers gave me a really nice break on the > price.That was good, 'cause I carried off 15 lbs, and left 5 more, due to > budget restrictions.I spent the next several weeks (months, really), > because I 'm still cleaning and sorting the material after nearly 2 years. > What I found is that emeralds are really difficlut to clean out of matrix. > Like all beryls, they want to break along the cleavage plane, which (of > course) is across the length of the crystal. Also being zoned, sometimes > that beautiful, clear green on top of the cloudy bottom WILL snap off as > one removes the quartzite that supports it. I'm not at all shy about > using the good ol' Epoxy 330 to repair my good looking crystals, but I do > not sell them at a Show, either. The point is, if you want to be a > "Purist" about crystals, bring a LOT of money with you. But also:Let the > Buyer Beware. I found it easier on my pocketbook and mental comfort to go > for the raw stuff, then work for what I like at my cleaning table. If I > break a few, as it's been known to happen, then I am not out a lot of > money, and I can only blame myself. On the other hand, I have some > gorgeous cabinet specimens for taking a chance on the unknown. EJW > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 13 20:32:34 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 13 20:32:38 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] unknown fluorescents References: <006401c62f16$5d2f6150$6400a8c0@hppav> <000f01c630d0$f2488e90$6601a8c0@maingear> Message-ID: <43F15D5E.3C6@Tomaszewski.net> Paul, May I suggest you start with a classical identification? Check your crystal forms, habits, harndess, and colors. Try to match up what you can without black light. Research the known minerals from the location and see what you can identify in your specimens using traditional methods. The descriptions of a few of the minerals you research will identify their fluorescence, and may help in identifying some components. Orange often indicates calcite (with impurities). Try to find a local expert at a nearby mineral club. See what you can find on Google. And if all else fails, there is always the lab. Kreigh Paul wrote: > > I have several mineral specimens from Prospect Park, Pa that I just looked > at under UV light. Much to my surprise there were some that glowed > different colors. Especially surprising was one that appears to have a > bright orange coating on it. I know very little about fluorescent minerals > and I dont even know where to start to identify them. If I had an > up-to-date list of minerals found there that fluoresced I might have better > luck. Is it possible to identify them by their color under UV or do have to > know what they are first? I know there is apatite there but I am not sure > what color it is under UV. I have put up a small webpage with photos and > descriptions at: www.paulsminerals.com/glow2/glow.html . > Any help would be positively lovely! > > Paul From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Mon Feb 13 20:43:20 2006 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Mon Feb 13 20:43:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound Magazine In-Reply-To: <22d.6447e53.31216f30@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060214044320.69102.qmail@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm hoping to complete my collection of Rockhound Magazine. I'm interested in buying the following issues: 1973 - Apr, Oct 1974 - Feb 1976 - Feb, Apr, Jun 1977 - Aug Thanks, Tom Bowers --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From debandme33 at msn.com Mon Feb 13 21:29:37 2006 From: debandme33 at msn.com (THOMAS DEBORAH LUNSFORD) Date: Mon Feb 13 21:31:31 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Anyone In Boise Area Cut Rocks? Message-ID: when I first started rockhounding I did not have a saw & that sucked. then I picked up a used hp 10in it helped a little but only for the small stuff. next I got a 6in loratone that was fine for trimming slabs but little else. then one day a little old lady forced me to buy a 20in hp from her that belonged to her late husband. I don't rember the price but she practically gave it to me. she said that rockhounding was his life so she wanted to pass it on to someone who would love it & use it. well I have certainly used it & loved it, so when I heard your plea for help I had to offer mine. I live in boise & would be willing to give a hand cutting your treasures u can e mail me at debandme33@msn.com or call me at 208 761-8584. leave a msg I'll call back. thomas............................. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 14 06:22:42 2006 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Feb 14 06:22:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Emerald repair, TJokela Message-ID: <20060214142242.EFGS1775.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Dear T: Your suggestions re: emerald repair are well taken. I prefer Epoxy 330 due to its clarity, strength and quick drying time. Also, under UV, it is an honesty maker, 'cause it does show up, indicating the exact break. Thus, there is no uncertainty what has been done. I usually put a big "R" for Repair on the label. Most cut emeralds have been treated with cedar oil in a vacuum process, whereby the oil, which is the same refractive index as the emerald, impregnates all the fissures and cracks. Unfortunately, some beautifully "enhanced" stones have turned to shards after drying out. Emerald is my "comfort stone". I never tire of looking at them, from raw in matrix to the polished gem. I did buy some "bums" at a mineral show over Labor Day. I left a roofing job on my lunch hour to specifically buy some stones I had seen at a previous show. (I got some looks, showing up in tar covered work jeans and boots.) I was in a hurry, and did not bring my loupe or Optivisor, and unfortunately trusted the word of the dealer. I bought 2 natural crystals, and one cut stone, for $150.00. When I was able to examine the stones under proper light and magnification, the cut stone was split across the center. It should have been in the bargain box, and I indeed paid too much. When I compared these stones to what I already had, I was sorry I bothered getting them. The other repair epoxy is Opticon, which is very tough, but is messy to use, and requires heat and a two part process. I tried it a few times, with marginal success. The material seems thin, the catalytic process seems slow, and its binding ability less than I needed. Also, any excess looks very "Plastic", and it grinds as such. In the end, I'd rather not deal with a stone that is shattered beyond simple repair., the result of which is one half gallon container of beryl "partials" that are getting tumbled. EJW From kahako at verizon.net Tue Feb 14 14:51:14 2006 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Feb 14 14:51:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field trip report - part two The Volcano In-Reply-To: <20060213022237.28015.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060213022237.28015.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060214121600.02513ac8@incoming.verizon.net> Greetings, List, I thought I'd add a couple of quick notes to JR's report: At 04:22 PM 2/12/2006, J.R. Hodel wrote: > >Then we went outside to head for the real volcano, but OOPS!! Kitty's >truck was DOA. While the Hodels and I were out prowling over lava, Bill drove out from the university and jump-started the 16-year-old Montero. It turns out the battery was 5 years old and just decided to die during the 15 minutes we were in the Volcano Visitor's Center. > After leaving the Park land, we collected a few pieces of Kittly's >famous irridescent lava. It is just black bubbly slag-looking rock, but >then the light catches that irridescense, and it gleams a bright red or >green or purple. I got a kick out of Martha, who proclaimed herself not to be a rockhound, but just goes along with JR. Well, she got really excited about that iridescent lava! She kept saying things like: "Oooooh look at that!" and "Why, it's a rainbow!!" and "Wow, that is SO bright!" > >Then we broke for Hilo, and had a snack, and called Kitty for guide >service to the cedar place on the hill. They have a great old big dog, I like that JR mentions our dog first. Our kind of person! >and a big brass bell on a stand by the front door. ...from one of the trains that used to run on the Great Northern Railway. >The only part of the house that's air conditioned all the time is >apparently the study/library. Both Kitty and Bill have desks, computers, >and hundreds of books in a controlled clinate, essential in a place as wet >as the Hilo side of the Big Island. ...about 130 inches of rain a year, and humidity often over 90%. >We had a nice visit with the Heacox family, who are gracious hosts with a >beautiful place to live up on the hill overlooking Hilo, with waterfalls >sounding in the woods nearby, and spice trees in the yard, the automated >farm gate was the final touch on a wonderful day. JR and Martha are nice folks, and we enjoyed their company very much. >The next day we wound up the east side of the Big Island, and stopped to >see the Pacific surf pounding on the lava boulders and cliffs. There's a >50s Diner about 20 miles out of Hilo, with an Elvis room, and a Betty Boop >room, and sandwiches and fries right out of the 50s. That diner is in the town of Laupahoehoe, which means "tongue of lava (pahoehoe, the smooth kind)" in Hawaiian. There is a winding road down to that tongue or peninsula, where the surf crashes over huge basalt boulders, and where, 60 years ago this coming April 1, a tsunami came ashore and killed 24 people. The following URL tells of the tsunami: http://starbulletin.com/97/03/31/news/story4.html The following has pictures of Laupahoehoe park: http://www.hawaiiweb.com/hawaii/html/sites/laupahoehoe_park.html It was Great fun once again to see members of the Rockhounds List here on the Big Island. Aloha, Kitty From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Feb 14 19:28:41 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Feb 14 19:28:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] The universe References: <20060213022237.28015.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c631df$eb743f50$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Here is an interesting web site that offers a "powers of ten" tour of the universe: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html Someone could take a piece of limestone or coal instead of an oak leaf and end up in the same place. Alan From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Feb 15 09:15:25 2006 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 15 09:15:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation Message-ID: <296.5879e71.3124bbad@aol.com> I am looking for mailing addresses for Gem and Mineral Clubs in the Northwest Federation. Any suggestions? Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) 970.242.5255 cell 970.216.9641 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bg at his.com Wed Feb 15 09:32:39 2006 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Wed Feb 15 09:32:41 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation In-Reply-To: <296.5879e71.3124bbad@aol.com> References: <296.5879e71.3124bbad@aol.com> Message-ID: <50848fdc467b053a740e5d41537706a1@his.com> go to amfed.org and click on regional federations, then northwest. cathy On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Cycadwood@aol.com wrote: > I am looking for mailing addresses for Gem and Mineral Clubs in the > Northwest Federation. Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Frank > > Frank J. Daniels, Publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ > (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ > publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ > (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) > 970.242.5255 > cell 970.216.9641 > Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, > Ferns, and > Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at > Fossil > Wood. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Feb 15 09:51:18 2006 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 15 09:51:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation Message-ID: <1e.54aa4773.3124c416@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/2006 10:33:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, bg@his.com writes: go to amfed.org and click on regional federations, then northwest. *****They do not include mailing addresses there. Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) 970.242.5255 cell 970.216.9641 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Wed Feb 15 10:24:14 2006 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Feb 15 10:24:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation In-Reply-To: <1e.54aa4773.3124c416@aol.com> References: <1e.54aa4773.3124c416@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:51:18 EST, Cycadwood@aol.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 2/15/2006 10:33:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, >bg@his.com writes: > >go to amfed.org and click on regional federations, then northwest. > > > >*****They do not include mailing addresses there. > Probably to prevent unsolicited advertising ;-) >Frank J. Daniels, Publisher >Western Colorado Publishing Company >2024 Freedom Court >Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ >(mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ >(mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) >970.242.5255 >cell 970.216.9641 >Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and >Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil >Wood. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 15 16:21:28 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 15 16:18:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation References: <296.5879e71.3124bbad@aol.com> Message-ID: <43F3C4DF.36B@Tomaszewski.net> Frank, If you go to http://www.amfed.org you can find contact info for most clubs by regional Federation. You may need to contact each club individually using the email, phone #, etc. to get the mailing address. You could also talk to the newsletter editor of your local club. Most clubs have a bulletin exchange program with other clubs around the country, and your editor probably has a list of club mailing addresses. You could also contact a Federation newsletter editor and see if they would share their list, or include something you provided in their next bulletin going out to all clubs. Kreigh Cycadwood@aol.com wrote: > > I am looking for mailing addresses for Gem and Mineral Clubs in the > Northwest Federation. Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Frank > > Frank J. Daniels, Publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ > (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ > (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) > 970.242.5255 > cell 970.216.9641 > Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and > Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil > Wood. > From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Feb 15 16:55:29 2006 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 15 16:55:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation Message-ID: <259.6e9eb67.31252781@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/2006 5:19:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: If you go to http://www.amfed.org you can find contact info for most clubs by regional Federation. You may need to contact each club individually using the email, phone #, etc. to get the mailing address. Thanks, Kreigh. The other six federations all list mailing addresses. I emailed the first eight on the Northwest list and five email addresses were bounced back. The Northwest has most of the avid petrified wood collectors and my new book will be out March 15th, so I am trying to get the word out. I'll keep working on it. By the way, I addressed an envelope to you the other day since you bought my first book. Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) 970.242.5255 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Wed Feb 15 17:20:24 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Wed Feb 15 17:20:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation References: <1e.54aa4773.3124c416@aol.com> Message-ID: <014001c63297$29a88bc0$6400a8c0@hppav> If you want to do some digging go to http://www.amfed.org/nfms/clubs.htm and look at the clubs listing. There are e-mail addresses for you to contact for most clubs to get an address. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Balmer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:51:18 EST, Cycadwood@aol.com wrote: > >> >> >>In a message dated 2/15/2006 10:33:05 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, >>bg@his.com writes: >> >>go to amfed.org and click on regional federations, then northwest. >> >> >> >>*****They do not include mailing addresses there. >> > Probably to prevent unsolicited advertising ;-) > >>Frank J. Daniels, Publisher >>Western Colorado Publishing Company >>2024 Freedom Court >>Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ >>(mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ >>(mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) >>970.242.5255 >>cell 970.216.9641 >>Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, >>and >>Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at >>Fossil >>Wood. >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gene at fossilnut.com Wed Feb 15 17:45:26 2006 From: gene at fossilnut.com (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Wed Feb 15 17:46:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation References: <259.6e9eb67.31252781@aol.com> Message-ID: <022601c6329a$c8a53360$6400a8c0@hppav> Frank; I live in the Eastern Federation and I do publicity for my club show. >From experience I'll point out that the listings are not necessarily up to date anyway. BTW the theme of our show is petrified wood. Do you have any info on your new book for us? Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation > > > In a message dated 2/15/2006 5:19:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > If you go to http://www.amfed.org you can find contact info for most > clubs by regional Federation. You may need to contact each club > individually using the email, phone #, etc. to get the mailing address. > > > > Thanks, Kreigh. The other six federations all list mailing addresses. I > emailed the first eight on the Northwest list and five email addresses > were > bounced back. The Northwest has most of the avid petrified wood collectors > and my > new book will be out March 15th, so I am trying to get the word out. > I'll > keep working on it. By the way, I addressed an envelope to you the other > day > since you bought my first book. > Thanks, > Frank > > Frank J. Daniels, Publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ > (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ > (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) > 970.242.5255 > Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, > and > Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at > Fossil > Wood. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Feb 15 18:15:49 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:15:52 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interstellar dust from Olivine Message-ID: I thought this might be of some interest: http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/gems_reproduced.html?1522006 BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 15 18:25:24 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:28:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation References: <259.6e9eb67.31252781@aol.com> Message-ID: <43F3E291.2312@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Frank, Your first book is well thumbed. I'll be looking forward to the details on your next one. I thought of one more place you should check for clubs. CCFMS probably has the best collection of clubs that have websites, and it is up to date. http://www,ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/usa_clubs1.htm Kreigh Cycadwood@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/15/2006 5:19:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > If you go to http://www.amfed.org you can find contact info for most > clubs by regional Federation. You may need to contact each club > individually using the email, phone #, etc. to get the mailing address. > > Thanks, Kreigh. The other six federations all list mailing addresses. I > emailed the first eight on the Northwest list and five email addresses were > bounced back. The Northwest has most of the avid petrified wood collectors and my > new book will be out March 15th, so I am trying to get the word out. I'll > keep working on it. By the way, I addressed an envelope to you the other day > since you bought my first book. > Thanks, > Frank > > Frank J. Daniels, Publisher > Western Colorado Publishing Company > 2024 Freedom Court > Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ > (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ > (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) > 970.242.5255 > Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and > Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil > Wood. From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Feb 15 18:29:15 2006 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:29:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation Message-ID: BTW the theme of our show is petrified wood. Do you have any info on your new book for us? Gene Hartstein Newark, DE *****Here's a sneak preview: ANCIENT FORESTS: A CLOSER LOOK AT FOSSIL WOOD Frank Daniels and geologist Dick Dayvault (Rocks & Minerals editor for 30 years) team up to explore the intricacies of fossil wood by leading the reader on an expedition into the micro world of fossil wood mineralization and cell structures. 1600 color photographs, charts, and diagrams, including 438 fossil wood micro images, 40 Geologic Landscapes ?, and 46 thin section micrographs from modern conifers and hardwoods. Enormous 11.25 by 12.25 inch, 7.29 pound book with 456 pages. 7 years in the making Major chapters address fossil wood structure and identification, the process of wood transformation to stone, fossil woods from the western United States and around the world, and three major museum collections of fossil woods. Order directly from the publisher for $89.95 US. Colorado residents add $2.61 state tax. Shipping and handling FREE for limited time in the United States (a $10 value). Send check or call with Visa/MasterCard information. PayPal to _cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) . Call or email for foreign delivery rates. Since the book will not be ready to ship before mid-March, I will hold checks and not run credit card numbers until I am ready to mail the books. Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 970.242.5255 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Cycadwood at aol.com Wed Feb 15 18:36:07 2006 From: Cycadwood at aol.com (Cycadwood@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 15 18:36:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Northwest Federation Message-ID: <21f.806a37f.31253f17@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/2006 7:29:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: I thought of one more place you should check for clubs. CCFMS probably has the best collection of clubs that have websites, and it is up to date. _http://www.ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/usa_clubs1.htm_ (http://www.ccfms.ca/Online_Resources/usa_clubs1.htm) Thanks. That has quite a bit of information, including addresses. The Canadians are always well organized. I will be in Manitoba for a week later this month as that's where we are printing and binding this new book. Manitoba in February! My timing could have been better. Thanks, Frank Frank J. Daniels, Publisher Western Colorado Publishing Company 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, Colorado 81503-9522_ cycadwood@aol.com_ (mailto:cycadwood@aol.com) or_ publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com_ (mailto:publisher@westerncoloradopublishing.com) 970.242.5255 cell 970.216.9641 Publisher of Petrified Wood: The World of Fossilized Wood, Cones, Ferns, and Cycads and the soon to be released Ancient Forests: A Closer Look at Fossil Wood. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Thu Feb 16 05:50:47 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Feb 16 05:50:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you who have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems that at least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't know why I let these get to me, but I wasted 20 minutes composing a response to this guy. He is referring to a joke I found on the Wallowa Times' online site entitled "Advice for Rockhounds from the Good Folks of Eastern Oregon" (the site and/or the paper has since gone away) out of Enterprise, Oregon. I thought it was rather hilarious and so has anyone who commented on it up until yesterday. Another newspapers' online site picked it up off of my site & published it as well (I believe it was the LaGrande, OR paper). Please, if any of you find this offensive, keep it to yourselves. I was rather shocked that anyone (especially someone who is evidently a Portlander) would be offended by it. The link is here: http://orerockon.com/Advice.htm >Delivered-To: >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:11:44 -0800 >Subject: >From: "Don McNair" >To: nospam@orerockon.com >X-spasm-sender-IP: 63.240.77.81 >X-spasm-sender-host: [63.240.77.81] > >Hey Tim: > >I found your rock hounding page on the net. Ya know, I pride myself on >having great humor...but found your "advice" to us "blue bloods" in the >valley, not so very funny. Think I would buy anything from you? No thanks. >I will pay a visit to my Eastern Oregon rock pals. I'll buy from the other >"real cowboys" of Eastern Oregon, who are gentleman. You are just a wanna >be. Get off your high horse...the real people of Oregon stick >together...makes me think you're a transplant from somewhere not to know >that. > >t. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From naturesemp at earthlink.net Thu Feb 16 06:02:39 2006 From: naturesemp at earthlink.net (Nature's Emporium Customer Service) Date: Thu Feb 16 06:02:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks Message-ID: <000e01c63301$a763d780$43c9010a@yourm5d4u9r2uv> We also have web sites and you are correct about strange folks! That said, I can understand why someone would get upset about your "cute" list and I would not purchase from a web site that showed that type of humor. We have the same type of list here in Washington state, and they aren't funny either. It is stating that if you don't believe as the author does (or the web site) go home! Remember not everyone on the web has a sense of humor like yours. Gloria From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Feb 16 07:23:13 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:22:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <000301c6330c$e81c49f0$6d94b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Tim, you're right, it is funny and I wouldn't let a few humor challenged city folk rattle you. Nothing against city folk, but your 'advice' piece holds up a mirror to the disdain some of them have for rural dwellers and they don't like the haughty air of superiority they see in themselves. I'd keep the 'advice' piece on your site. Erich kern ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you who have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems that at least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't know why I let these get to me, but I wasted 20 minutes composing a response to this guy. He is referring to a joke I found on the Wallowa Times' online site entitled "Advice for Rockhounds from the Good Folks of Eastern Oregon" (the site and/or the paper has since gone away) out of Enterprise, Oregon. I thought it was rather hilarious and so has anyone who commented on it up until yesterday. Another newspapers' online site picked it up off of my site & published it as well (I believe it was the LaGrande, OR paper). Please, if any of you find this offensive, keep it to yourselves. I was rather shocked that anyone (especially someone who is evidently a Portlander) would be offended by it. The link is here: http://orerockon.com/Advice.htm >Delivered-To: >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:11:44 -0800 >Subject: >From: "Don McNair" >To: nospam@orerockon.com >X-spasm-sender-IP: 63.240.77.81 >X-spasm-sender-host: [63.240.77.81] > >Hey Tim: > >I found your rock hounding page on the net. Ya know, I pride myself on >having great humor...but found your "advice" to us "blue bloods" in the >valley, not so very funny. Think I would buy anything from you? No thanks. >I will pay a visit to my Eastern Oregon rock pals. I'll buy from the other >"real cowboys" of Eastern Oregon, who are gentleman. You are just a wanna >be. Get off your high horse...the real people of Oregon stick >together...makes me think you're a transplant from somewhere not to know >that. > >t. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From volgems at icx.net Thu Feb 16 07:30:13 2006 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:30:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks Message-ID: <21308729.1140103813392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Tim, Don't worry about it! You probably just hit too close to home and they saw themselves in too many of the "warnings". Too many people take too many things too seriously! BTW, we have a similar list for those "visiting" the south! John Teague Knoxville, Tennessee -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher >Sent: Feb 16, 2006 8:50 AM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks > >I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you >who have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems >that at least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't >know why I let these get to me, but I wasted 20 minutes composing a >response to this guy. He is referring to a joke I found on the >Wallowa Times' online site entitled "Advice for Rockhounds from the >Good Folks of Eastern Oregon" (the site and/or the paper has since >gone away) out of Enterprise, Oregon. I thought it was rather >hilarious and so has anyone who commented on it up until yesterday. >Another newspapers' online site picked it up off of my site & >published it as well (I believe it was the LaGrande, OR paper). >Please, if any of you find this offensive, keep it to yourselves. I >was rather shocked that anyone (especially someone who is evidently a >Portlander) would be offended by it. > >The link is here: http://orerockon.com/Advice.htm > >>Delivered-To: >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:11:44 -0800 >>Subject: >>From: "Don McNair" >>To: nospam@orerockon.com >>X-spasm-sender-IP: 63.240.77.81 >>X-spasm-sender-host: [63.240.77.81] >> >>Hey Tim: >> >>I found your rock hounding page on the net. Ya know, I pride myself on >>having great humor...but found your "advice" to us "blue bloods" in the >>valley, not so very funny. Think I would buy anything from you? No thanks. >>I will pay a visit to my Eastern Oregon rock pals. I'll buy from the other >>"real cowboys" of Eastern Oregon, who are gentleman. You are just a wanna >>be. Get off your high horse...the real people of Oregon stick >>together...makes me think you're a transplant from somewhere not to know >>that. >> >>t. > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dguin at earthlink.net Thu Feb 16 07:33:07 2006 From: dguin at earthlink.net (Dave Guin) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:33:14 2006 Subject: [OT] Re: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <43F49B33.30101@earthlink.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. This "list" has been bouncing around the net for sometime. I have seen it re-written from many different perspectives. The problem is three-fold. First, humor is culturally specific. What is funny in one group is patently offensive in another group so one must be careful with audience analysis. Second, you cannot limit who visits your site so people from many different "cultures" will visit. If it's funny, eventually one of your visitors will be offended. Third, the anonymity of the net makes people think that they have the power and protection to tell you whatever they desire. On the net people will say things that they would never say to your face. For me the correct response to a complaint like this is, "Thank you for your comment." Peace, dave From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Feb 16 07:50:44 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Feb 16 07:49:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <000301c6330c$e81c49f0$6d94b2d1@TheBlackAdder> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> <000301c6330c$e81c49f0$6d94b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <43F49F54.6020408@verizon.net> Erich Kern wrote: > > Tim, you're right, it is funny and I wouldn't let a few humor challenged city folk > rattle you. > Howdy, I think Eric's advice is right. I was grown in the greater Philadelphia/New York metropolitan area and now I live in rural northern Idaho where there are indeed more combines than cars and the women are, dare I say, corn-fed, which is a high compliment in my book! So I have "total joke immunity" in this regard (to quote Seinfeld). I see a lot of folks who fit those descriptions on your list, and I think it makes people uncomfortable when the descriptions hit close to home. The response you received sounds like it came from one of the very people who are being parodied in that list. I might imagine that this person wasn't about to buy anything from you anyway, jokes or no jokes. In short, don't worry about it at all. I have seen much, much more psychotic behavior on the net than someone expressing mild displeasure at something on your site. At least no one is burning down your house... yet. Reminds me I need to get one of those bumper stickers (usually seen on well-worn pickup trucks): "Welcome to Idaho... now go home." Yikes! Let's face it: no matter where you live, when people having different cultural values come to your area and try to impose their ways instead of assimilating into the local culture, the locals will not appreciate it. And I think that's the lesson here. It's all about respect, which I think is shown for the most part on this list by people from every culture, nation, and religion. Best, Don From tfa at brickengraver.com Thu Feb 16 09:46:29 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Feb 16 09:46:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <43F49F54.6020408@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001601c63320$eb484570$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Ok Tim--I take extreme offense --what the heck are you talking about not having sweet tea. If indeed you find "sweet tea" offensive, that is quite "peachy keen" with me. But if you do not serve sweet tea (for some unknown cultural bigotry-or probably just culinary adolescence ) at least you should provide, not two packs of sugar (that is not nearly enough) but at least four. And if you were in anyway sensitive to other cultural predilictions you would at least provide them with not packets of sugar, but supersaturated solutions of sugar. It is a known fact that the soluabilty of sugar in iced tea is much less than in hot tea. In fact it is quite impossible to achieve "sweet tea" by simply stirring in granualated sugar into already iced tea. However the culturally respondsible work around is to provide a bottle of sugar syrup which is easily incorportated into unsweetend iced tea to achieve the proper amount of sweetness. In fact the very thought of calling something "iced tea" that does not incorportate a sucrose element into the blend, is really a misunderstanding of what "iced tea" really is. Sincerely Tommy Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:51 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks Erich Kern wrote: > > Tim, you're right, it is funny and I wouldn't let a few humor > challenged city folk rattle you. > Howdy, I think Eric's advice is right. I was grown in the greater Philadelphia/New York metropolitan area and now I live in rural northern Idaho where there are indeed more combines than cars and the women are, dare I say, corn-fed, which is a high compliment in my book! So I have "total joke immunity" in this regard (to quote Seinfeld). I see a lot of folks who fit those descriptions on your list, and I think it makes people uncomfortable when the descriptions hit close to home. The response you received sounds like it came from one of the very people who are being parodied in that list. I might imagine that this person wasn't about to buy anything from you anyway, jokes or no jokes. In short, don't worry about it at all. I have seen much, much more psychotic behavior on the net than someone expressing mild displeasure at something on your site. At least no one is burning down your house... yet. Reminds me I need to get one of those bumper stickers (usually seen on well-worn pickup trucks): "Welcome to Idaho... now go home." Yikes! Let's face it: no matter where you live, when people having different cultural values come to your area and try to impose their ways instead of assimilating into the local culture, the locals will not appreciate it. And I think that's the lesson here. It's all about respect, which I think is shown for the most part on this list by people from every culture, nation, and religion. Best, Don _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From geenet2 at mchsi.com Thu Feb 16 11:34:51 2006 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Feb 16 11:34:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <004801c63330$0e5a8d20$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> What a sourpuss! I've gotten that "advice" referring to visitors to Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, even OHIO! Didn't know they had "sweet tea" in Oregon, thought we owned the rights to that. Anybody finding anything to be offended about in this piece of humor just might resemble those remarks and they hit too close to home. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks >I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you who >have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems that at >least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Feb 16 12:22:54 2006 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 16 12:23:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks Message-ID: <267.5d6a34a.3126391e@aol.com> Ahhhhhhhh..the joys of sweet tea in NC..one of the main..well..not main, but it was definately a plus reason I loved moving here..was the sweet tea.........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Ahhhhhh..the joys of sweet tea and minerals..(keeping this sorta on topic). LOL..........Jackie In a message dated 2/16/2006 12:46:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, tfa@brickengraver.com writes: In fact the very thought of calling something "iced tea" that does not incorportate a sucrose element into the blend, is really a misunderstanding of what "iced tea" really is. Sincerely Tommy Armstrong --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tfa at brickengraver.com Thu Feb 16 12:23:36 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Thu Feb 16 12:23:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <004801c63330$0e5a8d20$6401a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000101c63336$de604720$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Tim, I hope you know that I am not offended whatsover--just thought needed a bit of enlightening on the iced tea controversy. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jeanette Wimpee Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:35 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gemcollectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks What a sourpuss! I've gotten that "advice" referring to visitors to Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, even OHIO! Didn't know they had "sweet tea" in Oregon, thought we owned the rights to that. Anybody finding anything to be offended about in this piece of humor just might resemble those remarks and they hit too close to home. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks >I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you who >have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems that at >least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From CRAZYDOVE at aol.com Thu Feb 16 12:23:44 2006 From: CRAZYDOVE at aol.com (CRAZYDOVE@aol.com) Date: Thu Feb 16 12:23:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks Message-ID: <1e6.4c7454ca.31263950@aol.com> If anyone's seen the one for New Jersey..that would sure as heck help you to decide NOT to move there! LOL Jackie In a message dated 2/16/2006 2:35:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, geenet2@mchsi.com writes: What a sourpuss! I've gotten that "advice" referring to visitors to Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, even OHIO! Didn't know they had "sweet tea" in Oregon, thought we owned the rights to that. Anybody finding anything to be offended about in this piece of humor just might resemble those remarks and they hit too close to home. Jeanette --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Thu Feb 16 13:46:49 2006 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Thu Feb 16 13:47:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <20060216214700.VJKL21965.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@D8YF2G81> 7. If that cell phone rings while a bunch of mallards are making their final approach, we will shoot it. You might hope you don't have it up to your ear at the time. Hmmm lately from what I read, in Texas it if the quail flush they fire ....... From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Thu Feb 16 14:55:35 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Feb 16 14:55:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks References: <20060216214700.VJKL21965.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@D8YF2G81> Message-ID: <40a001c6334c$18ff8d90$6602a8c0@remains> just make sure you're not standing around Dick Cheney, and you should be fine > Hmmm lately from what I read, in Texas it if the quail flush they fire > ....... > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 14:58:08 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Feb 16 14:58:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <40a001c6334c$18ff8d90$6602a8c0@remains> References: <20060216214700.VJKL21965.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@D8YF2G81> <40a001c6334c$18ff8d90$6602a8c0@remains> Message-ID: I'd rather be hunting with Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy. BK On 2/16/06, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > just make sure you're not standing around Dick Cheney, and you should be > fine > > > > Hmmm lately from what I read, in Texas it if the quail flush they fire > > ....... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Feb 16 13:15:19 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Feb 16 15:18:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Politics References: <20060216214700.VJKL21965.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@D8YF2G81><40a001c6334c$18ff8d90$6602a8c0@remains> Message-ID: <003701c6333e$1b830c80$0300a8c0@otie> Political comments not related to rockhounding are not allowed on this list. John Admin Team From rockhounds at adelphia.net Thu Feb 16 16:17:07 2006 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Thu Feb 16 16:16:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <000101c63357$7cf7e530$3c261643@KellyHanson> Those could be North Idaho Rules! Kelly -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:51 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you who have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems that at least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't know why I let these get to me, but I wasted 20 minutes composing a response to this guy. He is referring to a joke I found on the Wallowa Times' online site entitled "Advice for Rockhounds from the Good Folks of Eastern Oregon" (the site and/or the paper has since gone away) out of Enterprise, Oregon. I thought it was rather hilarious and so has anyone who commented on it up until yesterday. Another newspapers' online site picked it up off of my site & published it as well (I believe it was the LaGrande, OR paper). Please, if any of you find this offensive, keep it to yourselves. I was rather shocked that anyone (especially someone who is evidently a Portlander) would be offended by it. The link is here: http://orerockon.com/Advice.htm >Delivered-To: >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:11:44 -0800 >Subject: >From: "Don McNair" >To: nospam@orerockon.com >X-spasm-sender-IP: 63.240.77.81 >X-spasm-sender-host: [63.240.77.81] > >Hey Tim: > >I found your rock hounding page on the net. Ya know, I pride myself on >having great humor...but found your "advice" to us "blue bloods" in the >valley, not so very funny. Think I would buy anything from you? No >thanks. I will pay a visit to my Eastern Oregon rock pals. I'll buy >from the other "real cowboys" of Eastern Oregon, who are gentleman. >You are just a wanna be. Get off your high horse...the real people of >Oregon stick together...makes me think you're a transplant from >somewhere not to know that. > >t. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From roughrock at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 16:20:30 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Thu Feb 16 16:20:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> Message-ID: I'm from the swamps of Louisiana but my wife is from Oregon (Fort Klamath). We both chose to live in California since it is more enlightened. In Chiloquin, OR (where my wife graduated from high school) somebody yelled "Go back to California" and in Oak Grove, LA another person yelled, "Yankee, go home." I've seen that list dozens of times from my deep south relations. It doesn't seem to work as well for OR, but I guess since you were specific and said Eastern, OR it's at least passable. The objective of that kind of humor is to offend people who see themselves in the stereotypes. At the same time people who identify with the sentiment expressed get a chuckle out of it. The email you got prove you have succeeded with both groups. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA On 2/16/06, Tim Fisher wrote: > I received this rather disturbing email yesterday. For those of you > who have websites, do you get these kind of comments often? It seems > that at least my website brings out the kooks on the net. I don't > know why I let these get to me, but I wasted 20 minutes composing a > response to this guy. He is referring to a joke I found on the > Wallowa Times' online site entitled "Advice for Rockhounds from the > Good Folks of Eastern Oregon" (the site and/or the paper has since > gone away) out of Enterprise, Oregon. I thought it was rather > hilarious and so has anyone who commented on it up until yesterday. > Another newspapers' online site picked it up off of my site & > published it as well (I believe it was the LaGrande, OR paper). > Please, if any of you find this offensive, keep it to yourselves. I > was rather shocked that anyone (especially someone who is evidently a > Portlander) would be offended by it. > > The link is here: http://orerockon.com/Advice.htm > > >Delivered-To: > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) > >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:11:44 -0800 > >Subject: > >From: "Don McNair" > >To: nospam@orerockon.com > >X-spasm-sender-IP: 63.240.77.81 > >X-spasm-sender-host: [63.240.77.81] > > > >Hey Tim: > > > >I found your rock hounding page on the net. Ya know, I pride myself on > >having great humor...but found your "advice" to us "blue bloods" in the > >valley, not so very funny. Think I would buy anything from you? No thanks. > >I will pay a visit to my Eastern Oregon rock pals. I'll buy from the other > >"real cowboys" of Eastern Oregon, who are gentleman. You are just a wanna > >be. Get off your high horse...the real people of Oregon stick > >together...makes me think you're a transplant from somewhere not to know > >that. > > > >t. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 16 20:25:31 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 16 20:25:32 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petoskey Stone Festival Message-ID: <43F55034.270F@Tomaszewski.net> I won't be making this Rockhound festival (my oldest daughter is getting married that day), but I thought some of the List might be interested... http://www.petoskeystonefestival.com Kreigh From jr50wv at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 04:51:38 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Fri Feb 17 04:51:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] humor broken Message-ID: <20060217125138.15617.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim: Regarding the guy with no sense of humor, here's a little story from our past: Years ago my wife, who knows the words to all the good train wreck/robbery songs and can belt them out quite well after a couple of beers when accompanied by banjo/guitar/mandoline etc, wrote a story about a large meeting at a locally famous fancy resort usually known for string quartets of the Haydn variety. She was impressed that the group holding the meeting (don't remember who) had brought in a string quartet of the tobacco dipping kind and wrote a review of their performance along with the content of the big important meeting. It was done going for light humor and, to me, made it clear that the reporter had greatly enjoyed the musical show, regardless of the light humor, which was mostly poking fun at the disconnect (in her eyes) between the fancy Old White location (the name of the building, white columns, very fancy formal old-fashioned Southern) and the agrairian roots of the music. The story got good play around the region, and she was very satisfied. A couple of weeks later she got a long letter ranting about how she obviously didn't know anything about old-time mountain music (her very favorite thing at a party!!) and shouldn't bother her effete eastern liberal head about it since she obviously hated everything about West Virginia (our life-long home!?! can't get her away for more than a couple weeks) -- we studied the story and the letter for a long time trying to understand how the writer got from her story to their comments. We thought about sending the letter writer a long analytical letter about the relationship between the story and the letter, accompanied with a recording of Martha doing "Wreck of Old 97", but decided it might enrage the letter writer, so we let it drop. Don't show any more humor to someone who has already proven they have no humor, they sometimes become dangerous, not understanding that no one is making fun of them. Sorry about being off-topic, I warned you in the subject line! I thought your humor about city folks in the country was pretty good, light hearted, mostly, except for the cell phone joke...not so funny since the VPs recent Quail trip. Good thing Dan Q wasn't along with them! Sorry! Had to do it, we folks with a shred of humor sometimes can't help ourselves, it's got me in trouble several times with the humorless. I'll bet the rant you got is from a guy who's lived in Oregon about 10-12 years, drives a Navigator (sloooowly on dirt roads!) and has a bluetooth-enabled micro-headset cell-phone thingy in his ear all the time because he's SOOO important. That's my bet! Keep on rockin' JR --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Fri Feb 17 07:15:16 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 17 07:15:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] humor broken In-Reply-To: <20060217125138.15617.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060217125138.15617.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060217071326.042a6af8@orerockon.com> Bluetooth! That's it! He's one of those Star Trek Borg guys and he's afraid he's gonna get Dick Cheneyed! :)) At 04:51 AM 2/17/2006, you wrote: >Hi Tim: > >Regarding the guy with no sense of humor, here's a little story from our past: >Snippity snip... >I'll bet the rant you got is from a guy who's lived in Oregon about >10-12 years, drives a Navigator (sloooowly on dirt roads!) and has a >bluetooth-enabled micro-headset cell-phone thingy in his ear all the >time because he's SOOO important. That's my bet! > >Keep on rockin' >JR > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 17 10:21:41 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Feb 17 10:21:47 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Internet kooks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060217182141.38080.qmail@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the risk of going 'way off topic- > another person yelled, "Yankee, go home." > It all depends on where you are, and your definition of "Yankee": In most other countriws, any American is a Yankee In the South, anyone from north of the Mason-Dixon line is a Yankee In the North, a Yankee is someone from New England In New England, a Yankee is from Maine In Maine, a Yankee is someone who eats apple pie for breakfast. Jim Daly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Feb 17 18:12:56 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Feb 17 18:12:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic Message-ID: Before this subject is banned by the administrators, as well it should and will be, and as a white southerner who has been accused, rightly or wrongly, of bigotry because of my heritage, and of intolerance for reasons I do not understand, let me say a quick word: The fruits of intolerance can well be seen in the offer by a mullah of a million clams for the murder of the cartoonist. That's a lot of rocks to throw. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Planning a trip for Spring Break? See the area before you go ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 17 18:50:00 2006 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Fri Feb 17 18:49:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound humor Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060217184521.01e30160@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Let's see if I've got this right. 1. Someone posted to a website something that he thought was humorous. 2. The "humor" was making fun of other people who were "not like him". 3. Someone else was offended by the put-down humor being displayed. 4. The poster was upset that someone was offended by his brand of humor. 5. It is lost on me why anyone else would think the person posting the put-downs to others would be upset by someone not liking his brand of humor. Back to rocks and minerals. Glen From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Feb 17 18:58:59 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Feb 17 18:59:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic References: Message-ID: <000d01c63437$44ae3130$8793b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Glenn, I'm confused by what you wrote. Are you saying that the cartoonists are intolerant or that the mullah who solicits murder for a million bucks is intolerant? Anyone who thinks there is moral equivalence in offensive cartoons on the one hand and murder for hire on the other has a screw loose. I hope that is not what you meant. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic Before this subject is banned by the administrators, as well it should and will be, and as a white southerner who has been accused, rightly or wrongly, of bigotry because of my heritage, and of intolerance for reasons I do not understand, let me say a quick word: The fruits of intolerance can well be seen in the offer by a mullah of a million clams for the murder of the cartoonist. That's a lot of rocks to throw. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Planning a trip for Spring Break? See the area before you go ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tam2819 at cox.net Fri Feb 17 19:21:45 2006 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Fri Feb 17 19:21:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhound humor In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060217184521.01e30160@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060217184521.01e30160@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1eec91d198566149c3e462b812ea6945@cox.net> glen., right on, Terrie From kahako at verizon.net Fri Feb 17 19:30:21 2006 From: kahako at verizon.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Feb 17 19:30:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Intolerance - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <000d01c63437$44ae3130$8793b2d1@TheBlackAdder> References: <000d01c63437$44ae3130$8793b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060217172535.02508d38@incoming.verizon.net> Let's get back to rockhounding, please. Political discussions are not allowed and should be taken off-list. This is First Warning. Thanks, and aloha, Kitty (representing List Administration) From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 18 00:20:02 2006 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Sat Feb 18 00:20:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Petosky stones Message-ID: <20060218082002.PQWA1818.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Hi Y'all: I just thought I'd greet you'uns (pronounced "Yuhns", right JR?) to comment on the Petosky festival. I went to Michigan Upper Peninsula in Sept. 2000 to hewlp a friend move. I thought the trip would be a turn around, but he decided to stay a week to get his furniture, etc inside. I was set loose on the glacial moraine of Lake Superior, of which I still have many pieces. I had intended to go out to Copper Harbour, borrowed a truck and was actually on my way up the Keeweenaw Peninsula, when stomach flu struck. Needless to say, I was not about to go down a copper mine in a miner's skip feeling like that. I got as far as the Quincy Mine, did pick up a lot of basalt from the dump, then basically puked my way back to Marquette.(Sorry folks!) Due to my disability, my friend promised to take me to Petosky to pick up the famous stones. Well! The beach at Petosky had been "Developed" with hip seafood and beer joints, and housing, etc. Since the beachfront had become Highly Private Property, we went down the coast near Charlevoix. In about an hour I had picked up as much/many petoskies, agates and chert that I could carry. I still have the best pieces, but the rest of the five gallon bucket went to a friend. The point here is that you should not go to Petosky to get the stones of that name. Head South to Charlevoix. EJW From ROCKCURRIER at cs.com Sat Feb 18 10:04:28 2006 From: ROCKCURRIER at cs.com (ROCKCURRIER@cs.com) Date: Sat Feb 18 10:04:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inner city series. Message-ID: <4830408C.6D60AD86.3AEB17FB@cs.com> Some years ago I got involved in making pewter figurines that we would glue onto specimens of pyrite, amethyst, quartz etc and sell to gift shops. We eventually had several hundred different kinds. The mining series, the wild west series, the ocean animals series, the African animals the American animals etc. etc. While mining amazonite one summer up in the mountains of Teller Co. Colorado I conceived the idea of creating the inner city series. The bag lady, the kid with the ghetto blaster, the drunk, the dog urinating on a fire hydrant, the mugger and the muggee, the pimp, the hookers, the flasher, the purse snatcher, the hot dog vender etc etc. I and a few other friends thought that they were very funny, but we found them almost impossible to sell to gift shops because the owners correctly felt that they would offend a small percentage of their customers. Do you remember the little gold charm of a bag lady that Tiffany and company had made up for charm bracelets? They had to remove it from sale because of omplaints. If you are a retail merchant you don't want to irritate even 5% of your clientele. There is plenty of stuff to sell. On the other hand there are companies that put out fairly extensive catalogues with all kinds of obscene tea shirts, wise cracks on cards and bomber stickers and things like fortune cookies with offensive and or sexually explicit fortunes. No matter what you do, someone somewhere will find it offensive. Saying the lords prayer at a Hamas rally would probably not be wise. Sometimes reminding people of their own prejudices will defuse the situation. I once spent the night in a village near the Khyber pass with some Moslem tribesmen and they asked me various questions. One was why we treated the blacks and Indians in our country so badly. I told them that I didn't think I treated blacks and Indians badly at all and thought that in general that they were treated at least as well as they treated the Hindus in Pakistan. That seemed to end that line of conversation without any ill fealings. Rock From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Feb 18 11:32:03 2006 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 18 11:32:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Inner city series. References: <4830408C.6D60AD86.3AEB17FB@cs.com> Message-ID: <001501c634c1$feec4f70$6400a8c0@Junior> Rock, I love it, but where on earth do you get the pewter figurines of muggers, pimps, flashers, etc? Hilarious stuff, much better than lame miners on Brazilian amethyst lol. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Inner city series. > Some years ago I got involved in making pewter figurines that we would > glue > onto specimens of pyrite, amethyst, quartz etc and sell to gift shops. We > eventually had several hundred different kinds. The mining series, the > wild > west series, the ocean animals series, the African animals the American > animals etc. etc. While mining amazonite one summer up in the mountains of > Teller Co. Colorado I conceived the idea of creating the inner city > series. > The bag lady, the kid with the ghetto blaster, the drunk, the dog > urinating > on a fire hydrant, the mugger and the muggee, the pimp, the hookers, the > flasher, the purse snatcher, the hot dog vender etc etc. I and a few other > friends thought that they were very funny, but we found them almost > impossible to sell to gift shops because the owners correctly felt that > they would offend a small percentage of their customers. Do you remember > the little gold charm of a bag lady that Tiffany and company had made up > for charm bracelets? They had to remove it from sale because of omplaints. > If you are a retail merchant you don't want to irritate even 5% of your > clientele. There is plenty of stuff to sell. On the other hand there are > companies that put out fairly extensive catalogues with all kinds of > obscene tea shirts, wise cracks on cards and bomber stickers and things > like fortune cookies with offensive and or sexually explicit fortunes. > No matter what you do, someone somewhere will find it offensive. Saying > the lords prayer at a Hamas rally would probably not be wise. Sometimes > reminding people of their own prejudices will defuse the situation. I once > spent the night in a village near the Khyber pass with some Moslem > tribesmen and they asked me various questions. One was why we treated the > blacks and Indians in our country so badly. I told them that I didn't > think I treated blacks and Indians badly at all and thought that in > general that they were treated at least as well as they treated the Hindus > in Pakistan. That seemed to end that line of conversation without any ill > fealings. > Rock > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From roughrock at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 14:14:23 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sat Feb 18 14:14:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Petosky stones In-Reply-To: <20060218082002.PQWA1818.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> References: <20060218082002.PQWA1818.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On 2/18/06, edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net wrote: > Hi Y'all: > when stomach flu struck. Needless to say, I was not about to go down a copper mine in a miner's skip feeling like that. I got as far as the Quincy Mine, did pick up a lot of basalt from the dump, then basically puked my way back to Marquette.(Sorry folks!) And that's not really flu. Grant From rockcurrier at cs.com Sat Feb 18 18:51:29 2006 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sat Feb 18 18:34:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pewter figurines References: <200602190202.k1J22Tnw016658@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00b501c634ff$629c19a0$6b01a8c0@rock3> Rock, I love it, but where on earth do you get the pewter figurines of muggers, pimps, flashers, etc? Hilarious stuff, much better than lame miners. Tim Jokela Jr. We hired artists to make little wax figurines of the items we wanted then we would have them investment cast into silver masters at $50 to $150 each depending on the size (the artists would charge us anywhere from $50 to $150 each for the wax models). Then we would clean up the silver castings and then put them in a rubber mold with talcum powder covering all surfaces and put in metal bumps or brads to register the mold halves, vulcanize the rubber mold, open up the mold, remove the silver master, cut venting channels then close up the mold halves and spin cast pewter masters that we would use to make production molds. With the production molds you could quickly spin up as many figurines as you wanted. Then you had to clean up the figurines and tumble polish them and antique them with chemicals. I think that each figurine we put into production cost us about $500. As in any business you have to keep up with the technology and respond to ever changing markets and I really didn't like making pewter figurines very much and spent most of my time chasing mineral specimens around the world. I got into the business because one of my customers owed me a lot of money for base material and offered to give me his business in exchange for paying off the rest of his bills. It was either that or loose a lot of money. At any rate we don't do that business any more. I still have the silver masters and some copies of various of the figurines that we made. I thought that the inner city stuff was a great idea, but found out that it offended enough people to make it non profitable. A lesion in life. Rock From lanny at lrream.com Mon Feb 20 09:46:06 2006 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Mon Feb 20 09:47:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson - a great vacation Message-ID: Hi Everyone, My wife and I took the popular February vacation trip south, including most of a week in Tucson. Along with doing some of the "tourist things," we spent nearly four days at the mineral and gem shows. We went to the InnSuites, Clarion and Executive Inn and the TGMS Show. All were good in their own ways. We were most interested in seeing minerals and what was new in minerals, so the InnSuites, Clarion and TGMS Show got our attention for the time we had. We first visited with my good friend John Cornish and all his beautiful pink heulandites from the Rat's Nest claim in Idaho. I had to travel 1500 miles to buy a calcite and quartz specimen from what once was my deposit! What was I thinking? Show impressions are much as they always have been. The shows are varied, they are all different. The Inn Suites is good for mineral dealers with some high end dealers and a mix of mineral dealers with material at all levels. There also are fossil dealers and dealers in other stuff. We stayed in the motel two nights and don't recommend it for a place to stay. The room was dirty, warn out and beat up, and way over priced at the jacked up price of $99 we paid (discounted from the $150 rate they gave us). If I'd known the rooms had gone down hill that much from when I last stayed there a few years ago we would have continued camping in the desert! At least that didn't affect the dealers; they still had their great stuff. The Clarion was also a treat, it was mineral dealers only, including a lot of the USA dealers and some foreign. There was a lot of good material to see and we had a great time. Even bought another old Idaho specimen that Colleen Shannon had! The Executive Inn was good for what it had for those interested, but not of much interest to me. There were some foreign mineral dealers with good material to look at, but there isn't time for fossils, beads and stuff which appeared to dominate the place, so I actually got tired of being there and was glad to go back to the InnSuites that afternoon. Those foreign dealers mostly had the same Russian minerals, the same Indian zeolites and the same Pakistan and Afghanistan pegmatite minerals. It mostly felt like a retread of previous years. Those aquamarines on matrix were a real treat, something like 10 years ago, but the excitement has long since waned. How many of them can one look at and still hold some interest? The TGMS Show was great as usual. It's always a good mix with lots of mineral dealers and mineral displays. As usual, it was very busy on opening day, but there was lots to see and a lot of friends to say hello too. We looked at a lot of minerals of all sizes and "grades." The show is allways great for the individual special pieces, including some great lapidary pieces, and is a pleasure to walk around in for several hours. We even spent some money there! I've been going to the Tucson shows nearly every other year since 1976, so I've watched it grow and all of its changes over the years. It is definitely changing again. I see it there, at other shows and various meetings, shows and symposiums. Mineral collecting has problems and we've kicked most of them around here in the past. There is the lack of new members for clubs and organizations. Those I belong to have had no new young members in recent years and as we age we are losing the older members. This is evident at Tucson, whereas the hallways used to be crowded, they are now nearly empty. The place is just too quiet. Yet, most dealers I talked too said they were still doing well. Sure, one dealer may said he's having the worst show he's ever had there, but that is balanced by another one who happend to be having one of his best! Internet sales are sucking off some buyers and dealers too. People complain about high prices and other things are affecting us, including land closures and other political maneuvers. Despite that, the shows will go on and mineral, fossil and gem collectors will continue to participate, even if in fewer numbers. This year, Tucson was not abuzz with new finds. I believe it was about the most dismal its ever been for that often exciting feature of the show. I don't remember anything at all new, although I know there were a few small finds, they've just slipped my mind. Tucson may not have been what is has been, but it is still a great "show" to visit, view minerals, gems and fossil and spend a few dollars acquiring a few more specimens. See you in Tucson in a couple years! Regards, Lanny From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Feb 20 12:28:51 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Feb 20 12:28:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] slightly OT: looking for findings for rabbit's foot end caps In-Reply-To: <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> References: <43E8B9A6.3020101@verizon.net> <43E94FEA.5802@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <43FA2683.4040503@verizon.net> Greetings, Well I tried a number of searches and found everything but what I really wanted. My brother and his friend got some rabbits last weekend, and in addition to the stew, want to make rabbit's foot charms for the kids (waste nothing, is the motto). I figured if anybody would know, it would be someone on the list. If anybody can recommend a findings supplier that carries simple end caps for these, I would appreciate it. Please reply *off list*. Thanks, Don From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Feb 20 17:04:11 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 20 17:04:20 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] U of Mobile trip report Message-ID: OK, OK, OK!!! Work and being pore kept us from Tuscon again. But this may have been better for us! Several years ago one of our now deceased Mobile Rock & Gem society members, Dr. Dix, donated his extensive collection to what was then Mobile College. The college, along with the help of Dr. Dix and others, made an indoor and an outdoor mineral museum featuring the collection. The outdoor portion fell into disrepair over the years as the college grew and expanded into the still rapidly growing University of Mobile. The head of the Earth Sciences Department, Dr. Steve Carey, is trying to restore and rebuild and expand the exhibit. He made the mistake of inviting the club members to help, AND to keep those items the University does not need! Saturday we started the project. Now, let me try to explain the magnitude and condition of the collection. There is a house trailer filled with "better' specimens. Two dump truck load size piles of large pieces and literally hundreds of 30 gallon galvanized garbage cans stored outdoors hold the remainder. We moved one dump truck load size pile of the large pieces to the entrance of the outdoor museum. These were specimens with large 1-2 inch galena cubic crystals on matrix, unikite, calcite formations, agates, and others. These all are each large enough to be reasonably safe from a single person totin' off. Several nice pieces including a beautiful kyanite crystal on matrix, some agatized coral, pyrite, fossil shells, calcites, several yet to be identified crystal formations, and more were set aside for the indoor display. A couple of 5 gallon buckets of selections were saved for the club and each of us picked out about a bucket full of our choice for our personal collections. Dr. Carey, who incidentally is a member of the Mobile club, finally said he had to call it a day. So our president called time and we sadly had to leave. The good news is the University wants us to continue the work and promised to invite us back as long as we help with their collection. Can you believe it? Also coincidentally, a friend introduced me to the same Dr. Dix while i was in college. He saw that I was interested in his collection and gave me a tour of his home. Of course it was filled with beautiful mineral and fossil specimens. And to top that, he insisted on giving me several pieces including a green and a purple flourite crystal, some nickle chromate that still looks like polished galena, and a specimen of ruby containing granite with ruby crystals big enough to see without magnification. A kid in a candy store with bags to fill for free could not be happier. And some of our members went to Tuscon....go figure. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From bmainc at qeeg.com Mon Feb 20 19:23:45 2006 From: bmainc at qeeg.com (jkn) Date: Mon Feb 20 19:23:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson show Message-ID: <43FA87C1.30403@qeeg.com> My wife, 16 year-old son and I went to the Tucson shows for the first time ever this year. We were blown away! What an amazing outpouring of the world's minerals. We were particularly happy to see the Canadian minerals, since we've spent a lot of time collecting in Ontario, mostly for fluorite, some silver from the old mines. The museum specimens, particularly of fluorite were totally amazing. We stayed at the Best Western Royal Sun Inn and Suites on Stone Ave, right in the middle of things, $140 a night, but with a great, warm outdoor pool and jacuzzi and a jacuzzi tub in the room, worth every bit. We were lucky enough to get examples of a new find of fluorite from a roadcut near Deloro, Ontario. John Veevart apparently had just grabbed about half of this small find, and I see it's mostly sold out already from his website (trinityminerals.com). Great little blue (yep, blue) equant cuboctahedrons, typical for Madoc, but with this incredible blue cast. Many have an inner blue and outer green zone. Our exciting finds were a couple large old calcites from Dal'negorsk, three fine Le Burc blue fluorites, a huge chisel point barite from the Niobec Mine in St. Honore, Quebec, as well as a couple small but undamaged Moroccan fluorites, one of which has nice little calcites and pyrrhotites - or pyrite pseudomorphs after pyrrhotite - with it. We're already planning to go back next year, thought it was awesome. I also learned a lot about how to haggle with dealers, when not to bother, when to go for it. Then there was our great drive out into the desert. Very different place from Minnesota in mid winter! The brightness, the total dry warmth, wow. And the 30 foot tall saguaro cacti! My son Greg loves rocks as much as I do, so does my wife. Greg takes credit for getting me back into serious digging after not doing it for many years. He wrote a paper in 6th grade on Fluorite - The World's Most Colorful Mineral. It was all down hill (well, sometimes up hill, sometimes into the hill, you know....) from there! Hey, just a thought on getting young ones interested. I'm a psychologist and I work with kids a lot. I give away 8-10 flats of specimens a year to kids. They love it. I put their parents up to going out to some of the local - and not so local - collecting areas. So, look around and see what kids you can delight with your excess specimens. Show up at schools and show off some fancy stuff, then give out free samples and maps to any collecting areas nearby that are "sure things" for kids. How about volunteering to do presentations at Girl Scout/Boy Scout/Cub Scout meetings. I got a scout leader to take his whole gang over to my friend Peter Giangrande's rock shop. And Pete's still talking to me! Fires 'em right up on rockhounding! John, Liz, Greg Nash Edina, MN From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Feb 21 02:35:02 2006 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Feb 21 02:35:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic-slightly back OT. In-Reply-To: <000d01c63437$44ae3130$8793b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: If I see a rock in my neighbour's yard, I don't stampeede through his flower beds to pick it up. That is not inspired by God but by common decency. I can swear and curse so loud and blasphemous as I want because I don't believe in God. I don't because I don't want to offend people who de believe in a god. But if someone says to me that I can't curse and swear because he forbids me in the name of his god I will shout profanities at him of such bloodclothing quality that he'll turn into a salt pilar voluntarily. Serve your God if you must but let others be... If he forbids you to euthanize the dying or terminate a pregnacy then don't. But Do Not impose those rules on people that don't believe or believe in another god. A Muslim is forbidden to depict the prophet Muhammed. Non-Muslims do not fall under that rule. I can eat during ramadan! The riot about the comics is therefore a well orchestrated example of demagogy if ever I saw one. Someone should demonstrate the political courage to tell the world that non-Muslims are NOT bound by the Koran. Period. If all the crowds who manifested against the comics would put their energy in mineral collecting instead of pumping hate and anger, we would find the worlds most fabulous collection in the Middle East (also the deepest pits! I said I was steering slightly back on topic, didn't I? First and mast sentence ;-)))))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Erich Kern Verzonden: zaterdag 18 februari 2006 3:59 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic Glenn, I'm confused by what you wrote. Are you saying that the cartoonists are intolerant or that the mullah who solicits murder for a million bucks is intolerant? Anyone who thinks there is moral equivalence in offensive cartoons on the one hand and murder for hire on the other has a screw loose. I hope that is not what you meant. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic Before this subject is banned by the administrators, as well it should and will be, and as a white southerner who has been accused, rightly or wrongly, of bigotry because of my heritage, and of intolerance for reasons I do not understand, let me say a quick word: The fruits of intolerance can well be seen in the offer by a mullah of a million clams for the murder of the cartoonist. That's a lot of rocks to throw. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Planning a trip for Spring Break? See the area before you go ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Feb 21 06:29:43 2006 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Tue Feb 21 06:32:22 2006 Subject: [ADMIN]Re: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic-slightly back OT. References: Message-ID: <003301c636f3$47a50df0$0200a8c0@warren> Seriously folks, that is ENOUGH on this topic, and any other political/religious topic. I had two immediate complaints, asking me to make this post to the list. I don't want to moderate the list right now, as I'm buried so posts would be very slow showing up; but I will if I have to. Julie From leaninj at ev1.net Tue Feb 21 13:48:00 2006 From: leaninj at ev1.net (Jimmie Holley) Date: Tue Feb 21 13:48:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic-slightly back OT. References: Message-ID: <000701c63730$7ce3ce60$8dd9dacf@jimmiespavilion> very nicly put and I wish I could have said that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:35 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic-slightly back OT. If I see a rock in my neighbour's yard, I don't stampeede through his flower beds to pick it up. That is not inspired by God but by common decency. I can swear and curse so loud and blasphemous as I want because I don't believe in God. I don't because I don't want to offend people who de believe in a god. But if someone says to me that I can't curse and swear because he forbids me in the name of his god I will shout profanities at him of such bloodclothing quality that he'll turn into a salt pilar voluntarily. Serve your God if you must but let others be... If he forbids you to euthanize the dying or terminate a pregnacy then don't. But Do Not impose those rules on people that don't believe or believe in another god. A Muslim is forbidden to depict the prophet Muhammed. Non-Muslims do not fall under that rule. I can eat during ramadan! The riot about the comics is therefore a well orchestrated example of demagogy if ever I saw one. Someone should demonstrate the political courage to tell the world that non-Muslims are NOT bound by the Koran. Period. If all the crowds who manifested against the comics would put their energy in mineral collecting instead of pumping hate and anger, we would find the worlds most fabulous collection in the Middle East (also the deepest pits! I said I was steering slightly back on topic, didn't I? First and mast sentence ;-)))))) Axel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Erich Kern Verzonden: zaterdag 18 februari 2006 3:59 Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic Glenn, I'm confused by what you wrote. Are you saying that the cartoonists are intolerant or that the mullah who solicits murder for a million bucks is intolerant? Anyone who thinks there is moral equivalence in offensive cartoons on the one hand and murder for hire on the other has a screw loose. I hope that is not what you meant. Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Intolerance - Off Topic Before this subject is banned by the administrators, as well it should and will be, and as a white southerner who has been accused, rightly or wrongly, of bigotry because of my heritage, and of intolerance for reasons I do not understand, let me say a quick word: The fruits of intolerance can well be seen in the offer by a mullah of a million clams for the murder of the cartoonist. That's a lot of rocks to throw. Glenn ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Planning a trip for Spring Break? See the area before you go ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rainforest1950 at lycos.com Tue Feb 21 18:36:33 2006 From: rainforest1950 at lycos.com (rain forest) Date: Tue Feb 21 18:36:40 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] One last word Message-ID: <20060222023633.5E46E3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> If thine eye offends you; pluck it out. David Bese The Rainforest Hippie Pt. Orchard, Wa. "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." "Turbulence is life force. It is opportunity. Let's love turbulence and use it for change." "Every time you don't follow your inner guidance, you feel a loss of energy, loss of power, a sense of spiritual deadness." -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From tfa at brickengraver.com Tue Feb 21 18:37:33 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Tue Feb 21 18:37:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake Aftershocks In-Reply-To: <000701c63730$7ce3ce60$8dd9dacf@jimmiespavilion> Message-ID: <000601c63758$f007a380$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> A couple of months ago I switched to Dish Network from cable and found a real gem of a station--UCTV--Univ CA -- They have had some wonderful lectures by the very tops in the field--noble prize winners, etc. Tonight at 10:00 EST going to have program on Earthquake aftershocks--whats known and unknown. Based on the other stuff on this channel--will probably be excellent. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 http://www.brickengraver.com "Science is extraordinarily stupid about people as people and the consequence of this stupidity is going to do us all in if we don't do something about it" Walker Percy From bg at his.com Tue Feb 21 18:53:29 2006 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Tue Feb 21 18:53:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] madison, wisconsin In-Reply-To: <000601c63758$f007a380$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> References: <000601c63758$f007a380$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <2463777bd0d41f30fded94201bbb6eee@his.com> dear fellow rockhounds, what is of interest in madison wisconsin, mid summer? thanks, cathy From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 21 19:41:01 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 21 19:30:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] madison, wisconsin References: <000601c63758$f007a380$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> <2463777bd0d41f30fded94201bbb6eee@his.com> Message-ID: <43FBDAE6.121B@Tomaszewski.net> Stop at Burnie's Rock Shop. Pick up a copy of Roadside Geology of Wisconsin by Dott and Attig. It will give you a number of collecting locations around Madison. The folks at the rock shop might be able to give you a few more. The state capitol building is a rock collection in its own right, with building stones from around the world. The glacial geology hides most of the Cambrian and Ordovican rocks under the area, but the geology is easily visible. Kreigh P.S., I have no connection to Burnie's other than as a satisfied customer. Catherine Gaber wrote: > > dear fellow rockhounds, > > what is of interest in madison wisconsin, mid summer? > > thanks, cathy From jpjunk at mc.net Wed Feb 22 09:31:23 2006 From: jpjunk at mc.net (John Junkroski) Date: Wed Feb 22 09:37:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] madison, wisconsin In-Reply-To: <2463777bd0d41f30fded94201bbb6eee@his.com> References: <000601c63758$f007a380$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> <2463777bd0d41f30fded94201bbb6eee@his.com> Message-ID: <83188F18-2638-4C88-89EF-185CE8B6E7CB@mc.net> Number one stop: The Geology Museum at the University... a must-see. On Feb 21, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Catherine Gaber wrote: > dear fellow rockhounds, > > what is of interest in madison wisconsin, mid summer? > > thanks, cathy > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From bg at his.com Wed Feb 22 09:50:05 2006 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Wed Feb 22 09:49:55 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] madison, wisconsin In-Reply-To: <83188F18-2638-4C88-89EF-185CE8B6E7CB@mc.net> References: <000601c63758$f007a380$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> <2463777bd0d41f30fded94201bbb6eee@his.com> <83188F18-2638-4C88-89EF-185CE8B6E7CB@mc.net> Message-ID: as far as i can tell, that's where the meeting is, so cool! cathy On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:31 PM, John Junkroski wrote: > Number one stop: > > The Geology Museum at the University... a must-see. > > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Catherine Gaber wrote: > >> dear fellow rockhounds, >> >> what is of interest in madison wisconsin, mid summer? >> >> thanks, cathy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 10:15:43 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 22 10:15:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid Message-ID: I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial period: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Wed Feb 22 11:43:47 2006 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Wed Feb 22 11:43:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An interesting idea, but it seems to be missing something. The isostatic depression and rebound are much greater farther to the north, in the area where the glacial ice was thickest. It would seem that earthquakes should be more common and larger there than at New Madrid. To be sure, there are lots of little earthquakes in the region, but none like the famous ones around New Madrid. Pete Richards >I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. >These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial >period: > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm > >BK > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- R. Peter Richards rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu Mineral collector Crystallographer SHAPE for the Macintosh From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 12:10:53 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Feb 22 12:11:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are a lot of theorys about New Madrid aren't there. Everyone announces that it solves the mystery. BK On 2/22/06, R. Peter Richards wrote: > > An interesting idea, but it seems to be missing something. The > isostatic depression and rebound are much greater farther to the > north, in the area where the glacial ice was thickest. It would seem > that earthquakes should be more common and larger there than at New > Madrid. To be sure, there are lots of little earthquakes in the > region, but none like the famous ones around New Madrid. > > Pete Richards > > > > >I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid > quakes. > >These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial > >period: > > > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm > > > >BK > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > R. Peter Richards > rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu > > Mineral collector > Crystallographer > SHAPE for the Macintosh > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 14:12:45 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 22 14:12:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? Message-ID: http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=2603 What think? ~ http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=2603 Confirmation of Rapid Metamorphism of Rocks (#392) by Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D. Confirmation of Rapid Metamorphism of Rocks PDF Where thick sequences of sedimentary rock layers have been deposited in large basins, the deepest layers at the bottoms of the sequences may subsequently have become folded by earth movements when subjected to elevated temperatures and pressures that were sufficient to transform them into meta-morphic rocks. Thus the clay particles in shales and the mineral grains in sandstones were metamorphosed into the new minerals found today in schists and gneisses. Geologists conventionally envisage these metamorphic processes as having required millions of years. In contrast, creation geologists maintain that just as thick sequences of sedimentary rocks were rapidly deposited and movements of the tectonic plates of the earth's crust occurred rapidly during the year-long Flood catastrophe, these associated metamorphic processes were likewise rapid. The hot waters that saturated the deeply buried sedimentary and other rocks, and/or that flowed rapidly through them, were responsible for the rapid mineral transformations.2,3 Norwegian Metamorphic Rocks Conventional geologists were surprised recently by documented evidence for rapid metamorphism.4 Along the southwest coast of Norway, in the Bergen area, former igneous (intrusive) rocks were radically transformed into high-grade metamorphic rocks known as granulites by the high pressures exerted on them deep in the earth's crust late in the Precambrian.5 During a subsequent continental collision in the Silurian, hot fluids penetrated along closely-spaced shear zones, where rocks are believed to have deformed plastically as they moved sideways against each other, and transformed most of the granulites into another metamorphic rock called eclogite.6 These eclogites are strikingly beautiful, coarse-grained, and characterized by large pink garnets in a green matrix, rich in pyroxene. They are conventionally believed to have formed at depths of some 60 km and temperatures of around 700?C.7 However, these Norwegian eclogites paradoxically exhibit features more commonly associated with tectonic processes at lower temperatures closer to the earth's surface.8,9 Furthermore, rubidium-strontium radioisotope dating of the granulite lenses immediately adjacent to these eclogites yields an "age" closer to that of the untransformed granulite,10,11 even though the temperatures supposedly required for formation of the eclogites should have obliterated that earlier "age."12 Thus it has been suggested that the Norwegian granulite-eclogite transformation must have occurred during short-lived fluid flow events over less than a million years.13 A Radical Short Timescale However, a drastically shorter timescale has now been proposed,14 one that "will make many geologists draw breath!"15 An ultraviolet laser was used to measure profiles of argon-argon radioisotope "ages" across individual mineral grains in the untransformed granulite lenses.16 In this technique the abundance of argon-40 (which forms from the radioactive decay of potassium-40) supposedly indicates the elapsed time since the temperature was last high enough for the argon (a gas) to diffuse rapidly through these minerals and escape at the boundaries between grains. The "ages" thus obtained not only confirmed the earlier rubidium-strontium "dates," but demonstrated just how little the granulite lenses had been affected by the later formation of the immediately adjacent eclogites. Furthermore, these argon-40 data were then used to estimate what the temperature must have been in the granulite lenses during formation of the eclogites. The estimate?less than 400?C?is dramatically lower than the conventional requirement of around 700?C for formation of the immediately adjacent eclogites. The only way this glaring inconsistency can be reconciled is if the time period over which the heat was applied to these granulites during their adjacent metamorphism to eclogites was drastically shorter than the previously suggested one million years or less. It was calculated that the total heating duration must have been around only 18,000 years to explain the argon-argon "age" profiles in the mineral grains. However, even more radical is the conclusion from heat-conduction calculations that the individual fluid flow "events," when hot fluids (at 700?C) flowed through the shear zones in the granulites and metamorphosed them to eclogites, had to have lasted just ten years or less, otherwise there would have been significant heating beyond 400?C of the surviving granulite lenses between the shear zones. Furthermore, it was concluded that this is exactly what would be expected if fluid migration was triggered by multiple, spasmodic deformation events associated with earthquakes, in which the hot fluids were repeatedly injected into, and pumped along, the shear zones by earth movements. This is consistent with the evidence of hydraulic fracturing17 and rocks formed by friction melting along fractures18 associated with these eclogite-bearing shear zones.19 Thus this model overturns conventional long-age thinking by evoking a radically different picture for the conditions responsible for eclogite metamorphism, in which the exceedingly rapid metamorphic transformation occurs in only ten years or less! Confirming Evidence Such rapid fluid flow events are not without precedent, having been associated with vein formation during regional metamorphism of schists in Connecticut (USA).20 However, there is also independent evidence within these Norwegian eclogites of these flows of hot fluids that were responsible for the rapid metamorphism of the precursor granulites. A sample of related eclogite containing biotite flakes was closely examined and polonium-210 radiohalos were found in it (7 polonium-210 radiohalos in 50 microscope slides, each containing 20-30 biotite flakes).21 This discovery, the first time any radiohalos have been documented in eclogites, is highly significant. Biotite was not in the precursor granulites, so it had to form as a result of both their metamorphism to eclogite and the fluid flows. Of course, these radiohalos could only have been produced in the biotite grains after they formed. Furthermore, because there was no source of either parent uranium-238 or its radioactive decay products within either the eclogites or the precursor granulites, the large quantities of polonium-210 required to generate these radiohalos had to have been transported from external sources into the biotite flakes within these rocks by the hot fluids.22 But the polonium-210 only has a half-life of 138 days, and the radiohalos would only have formed and survived after the temperature in the rocks fell below 150?C. So this drastically restricts the duration of the earthquake-triggered hot fluid flows and associated eclogite metamorphism even more, perhaps to only a few weeks or months! And because the heat flow into the granulites to metamorphose them would have been primarily by convection associated with the fluid flows, rather than just by conduction,23 such a drastically short timescale of only weeks for this eclogite metamorphism is entirely feasible. Conclusion Of course, in conventional geological dogma which primarily envisages slow and gradual processes over long ages, even a timescale of ten years is almost too radical and controversial to be readily accepted. However, in the context of accelerated catastrophic erosion, deposition of thick strata sequences, earth movements, plate tectonics and continental collisions during the year-long global Genesis Flood, it is entirely feasible that rapid flows of hot fluids triggered by earthquakes were injected into shear zones within the granulites to transform them into eclogites within weeks. Once again, continued research has provided evidence that confirms the feasibility of another aspect of the Creation-Flood model of Earth history, namely, rapid metamorphism of rocks during the Genesis Flood, consistent with the infallible record of God's Word. References Bucher, K., and M. Frey, 2002. Petrogenesis of Metamorphic Rocks, 7th edition, pp. 67-68, Springer-Verlag, Berlin. Snelling, A. A., 1994. "Towards a Creationist Explanation of Regional Metamorphism." Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal, 8(1):51-77. Snelling, A. A., 1994. "Regional Metamorphism Within a Creationist Framework: What Garnet Compositions Reveal." In Proceedings of the Third International Conference on Creationism, R. E. Walsh (editor), pp. 485-496. Creation Science Fellowship, Pittsburgh, PA. Kelley, S., 2005. "Hot Fluids and Cold Crusts." Nature, 435:1171. Wain, A. L., D. J. Waters, and H. Austrheim, 2001. "Metastability of Granulites and Processes of Eclogitisation in the UHP Region of Western Norway." Journal of Metamorphic Geology, 19:607-623. Austrheim, H., and W. L. Griffin, 1985. "Shear Deformation and Eclogite Formation within Granulite Facies Anorthosites of the Bergen Arcs, Western Norway." Chemical Geology, 50:267-281. Boundy, T. M., and D. M. Fountain, 1992. "Structural Development and Petro-fabrics of Eclogite Facies Shear Zones, Bergen Arcs, Western Norway: Implications for Deep Crustal Deformational Processes." Journal of Metamorphic Geology, 10:127-146. Austrheim, H., M. Erambert, and T. M. Boundy, 1996. "Garnets Record Deep Crustal Earthquakes." Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 139:223-238. Austrheim, H., and T. M. Boundy, 1994. "Pseudotachylytes Generated During Seismic Faulting and Eclogitization of the Deep Crust." Science, 265:82-83. K?hn, A., J. Glodny, K. Iden, and H. Austrheim, 2000. "Retention of Precambrian Rb/Sr Phlogopite Ages through Caledonian Eclogite Facies Metamorphism, Bergen Arc Complex, W-Norway." Lithos, 51:305-330. Bingen, B., W. J. Davis, and H. Austrheim, 2001. "Zircon U-Pb Geochronology in the Bergen Arc Eclogites and Their Proterozoic Protoliths, and Implications for the Pre-Scandian Evolution of the Caledonides in Western Norway." Geological Society of America Bulletin, 113(5):640-649. Jamtveit, B., K. Bucher-Nurminen, and H. Austrheim, 1990. "Fluid Controlled Eclogitization of Eclogites in Deep Crustal Shear Zones, Bergen Arcs, Western Norway." Contributions to Mineralogy and Petrology, 104:184-193. Austrheim, H., and T. M. Boundy (1994), op. cit. Camacho, A., J. K. W. Lee, B. J. Hensen, and J. Braun, 2005. "Short-lived Orogenic Cycles and the Eclogitization of Cold Crust by Spasmodic Hot Fluids." Nature, 435:1191-1196. Kelley, S. (2005), op. cit. Camacho, A., J. K. W. Lee, B. J. Hensen, and J. Braun (2005), op. cit. Jamtveit, B., H. Austrheim, and A. Malthe-Sorenssen, 2000. "Accelerated Hydration of the Earth's Deep Crust Induced by Stress Perturbations." Nature, 408:75-78. Austrheim, H., and T. M. Boundy (1994), op. cit. Bjornerud, M., H. Austrheim, and M. G. Lund, 2002. "Processes Leading to Eclogitization (Densification) of Subducted and Tectonically Buried Crust." Journal of Geophysical Research, 107(B10):2252-2269. VanHaren, J. L. M., J. J. Ague, and D. M. Rye, 1996. "Oxygen Isotope Record of Fluid Infiltration and Mass Transfer During Regional Metamorphism of Pelitic Schist, Connecticut, USA." Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, 60(18):3487-3504. Snelling, A. A., 2005. "Radiohalos in Granites: Evidence for Accelerated Nuclear Decay." In Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth: Results of a Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative, L. Vardiman, A. A. Snelling, and E. F. Chaffin (editors), chapter 3, pp. 101-207 (especially Table 4, p. 188). Institute for Creation Research, El Cajon, CA, and Creation Research Society, Chino Valley, AZ. Snelling, A. A. (2005), op. cit. Snelling, A. A., and J. Woodmorappe, 1998. "The Cooling of Thick Igneous Bodies on a Young Earth." In Proceedings of the Fourth International Conference on Creationism, R. E. Walsh (editor), pp. 527-545. Creation Science Fellowship, Pittsburgh, PA. * Dr. Snelling is an associate professor in the Geology Department at ICR. From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Wed Feb 22 14:28:49 2006 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Richard Trapp) Date: Wed Feb 22 14:28:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FCE5A1.3090806@azgs.az.gov> Of course, the New Madrid area is at the focus of a failed rift system according to most experts. Ruptures are more prone to occur in zones that have fundamental weaknesses like the New Madrid area. The New Madrid zone is very active with many small quakes occurring regularly. It is the large quakes which are infrequent, just as in many other seismically active areas. It has been suggested that the mechanism for the small quakes is small pockets of magma rising from very deep levels. That mechanism would likely not account for a huge earthquake event like in 1811-1812. J Bryan Kramer wrote: There are a lot of theorys about New Madrid aren't there. Everyone announces wrote: An interesting idea, but it seems to be missing something. The I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- rpr@mail.heidelberg.edu http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Feb 22 16:22:10 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Feb 22 16:22:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid References: Message-ID: <002701c6380f$30541700$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Considering the volume of sediment in the New Madrid fault zone (about 4 miles thick) over a Precambrian failed rift about 700 million years old, and the evidence of fault movement covering a time frame of hundreds of millions of years, and considering the New Madrid zone is south of the area affected by the weight of the ice, I don't their theory holds water. However, science is testing theories and hypotheses and if it can be studied to the point of acceptance by the bulk of the seismologists out there, who am I to question them for putting forth a new theory? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial period: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 22 16:52:13 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 22 16:39:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? References: Message-ID: <43FD042D.6E27@Tomaszewski.net> Grant Johnston wrote: > > http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=2603 > > What think? ~ Grant, The paper assummes the creation story in the Bible as literal history, and that the great flood of Noah truely covered the entire Earth causing massive tectonic changes. A discussion of those assumptions does not belong on this List as religion and politics are avoided topics here. The evidence that some hydrothermal events cause metamorphism at a much faster rate than is generally accepted is probably on topic. A discussion of the evidence for and against such occurrances would seem to be acceptable. However, a discussion of the paper itself would require a discussion of the paper's assumptions and how they influence the author's conclusions drawn from the evidence presented. Therefore I think that a discussion about this paper should be deferred to an more appropriate forum than this List. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 22 17:32:59 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 22 17:20:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid References: <002701c6380f$30541700$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <43FD0DB5.614E@Tomaszewski.net> The area north of the New Madrid zone (Michigan and surrounding states) was depressed by the ice. As it rebounds it could be leveraging the stiff surrounding rock layers, forcing a depression and strain to appear hundreds of miles away. There may be more water in this theory yet to be wrung out as it gets examined. Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > Considering the volume of sediment in the New Madrid fault zone (about 4 > miles thick) over a Precambrian failed rift about 700 million years old, and > the evidence of fault movement covering a time frame of hundreds of millions > of years, and considering the New Madrid zone is south of the area affected > by the weight of the ice, I don't their theory holds water. However, > science is testing theories and hypotheses and if it can be studied to the > point of acceptance by the bulk of the seismologists out there, who am I to > question them for putting forth a new theory? > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:15 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid > > I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. > These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial > period: > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm > > BK From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Feb 22 18:20:55 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Feb 22 18:21:02 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very interesting. We had a program about the New Madrid Zone in one of our club meetings last year. Glenn From: "J Bryan Kramer" <codeburner@gmail.com> Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:15:43 -0500 >I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. >These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial >period: > >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm > >BK > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Feb 22 19:30:17 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Feb 22 19:30:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid Message-ID: <022320060330.16730.43FD2C480005C8310000415A216028130207059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I think that an explanation along the lines of what Kreigh has given, is the kind of connection that has been made to link faulting here to glacial rebound. Pete -------------- Original message from Kreigh Tomaszewski : -------------- > The area north of the New Madrid zone (Michigan and surrounding states) > was depressed by the ice. As it rebounds it could be leveraging the > stiff surrounding rock layers, forcing a depression and strain to appear > hundreds of miles away. There may be more water in this theory yet to be > wrung out as it gets examined. > > Kreigh > > > > > Alan Goldstein wrote: > > > > Considering the volume of sediment in the New Madrid fault zone (about 4 > > miles thick) over a Precambrian failed rift about 700 million years old, and > > the evidence of fault movement covering a time frame of hundreds of millions > > of years, and considering the New Madrid zone is south of the area affected > > by the weight of the ice, I don't their theory holds water. However, > > science is testing theories and hypotheses and if it can be studied to the > > point of acceptance by the bulk of the seismologists out there, who am I to > > question them for putting forth a new theory? > > > > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:15 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Interesting article about New Madrid > > > > I spotted this interesting article about the cause of the New Madrid quakes. > > These folks are saying it is from isostatic rebound from the last glacial > > period: > > > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060221084236.htm > > > > BK > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 20:39:28 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Feb 22 20:39:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] A mine question Message-ID: <000c01c63833$3ab2ed10$9594b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Over the weekend a few of us did some specimen collecting in an abandoned mine. We entered the adit at ground level and stayed pretty much at ground level for nearly a mile until we came to a sloping shaft. We went down to the next level, then continued on to the level below that. The question is, are we now on level two or level three? None of us could agree. Is a ground level adit level one or level zero? Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, CA From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 22 21:22:17 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 22 21:08:43 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] A mine question References: <000c01c63833$3ab2ed10$9594b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <43FD4354.70BF@Tomaszewski.net> As I remember, the highest mine level is level 1. An adit could come in at any level. Ground level is measured by elevation (or depresion) of each mine level, relative to sea level. Kreigh Erich Kern wrote: > > Over the weekend a few of us did some specimen collecting in an abandoned mine. We entered > the adit at ground level and stayed pretty much at ground level for nearly a mile until we > came to a sloping shaft. We went down to the next level, then continued on to the level > below that. > > The question is, are we now on level two or level three? None of us could agree. Is a > ground level adit level one or level zero? > > Cheers, > > Erich Kern > Murrieta, CA > From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Feb 22 21:19:17 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Feb 22 21:19:02 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] An open question for the list / mineral collection record keeping Message-ID: <003201c63838$b21d0c50$9594b2d1@TheBlackAdder> This is from my wife, Laurie who asked me to post it to the list. Please reply to her at her email address at the bottom of the page, as she is not a list member. Thanks for your input. Erich Kern Fwd: I am a .net software developer and I have started to write a program for documenting and tracking a mineral collection. This program would run on your PC (sorry but not a mac) I would like to know what sort of information people would be interesting in entering. Here is some of what I have so far. I would like to know if I am missing anything or if I have too much: Mineral Name Chemical Formula or Name Mine Name Mine Level County/Region Country GPS Coordinates Long/Lat Self Collected, Bought or Trade Size Weight Color Price Who it was bought from Date Aquired/Collected Date Sold/Traded Storage Location ID - do you want to set up your own numbering system or not? Ability to upload digital pictures or link to an image on the hard drive Print reports - each item, values Print Labels I am not a member of this list so please contact me off line at laurie.jane@kernology.com Laurie Kern From rockhound at btinternet.com Thu Feb 23 00:11:28 2006 From: rockhound at btinternet.com (Neil A) Date: Thu Feb 23 00:12:11 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] A mine question In-Reply-To: <43FD4354.70BF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: > > The question is, are we now on level two or level three? None of us could agree. Is a > ground level adit level one or level zero? > Adits are by and large the oldest mining entry bar open stoping. An adit at the bottom of a mountain would provide drainage and all levels above that would be negative levels if the adit was one, and onwards downwards. There is no hard and fast reference for this as the time of excavation, the name of the mine captains fanily, the shareholder families, depth in metres, feet, or fathoms all define what a level is eventually called. You could go down a mine that named its lower levels in fathoms from datum, eg 360 Fathom Level being 360 fathoms below sea level, and break through into an old mine whose levels were named from rockhead and suddenl find yourself at the 400 fathom level in one step, climb a short ladder in 'Sids raise' to Fletchers level, then go along 'Wellington Decline' to surface... The only right answer comes from the one that looks up the answer on the old plans :) Regards Neil A ACSM From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Thu Feb 23 04:08:38 2006 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Thu Feb 23 04:09:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Netherlands Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49D9AA2D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> A quick introduction: I've been a list member for a bit over a month now and could be counted as a rockhound. I have literal tons of agates and other odds & ends, run the club lapidary workshop, co-edit the club newsletter, and am the vice president/program chair in a second club. I help in activities in a third club when I'm able though I'm not a member. Main topic: I will be traveling to the Amsterdam in the Netherlands and possible other countries in Europe. I arrive May 1 and return to the States May 13. This is partially a business trip so I'll be in a conference May 9 - May 12. Hotel reservations before the conference have not been made yet. I'm interested in knowing sites I should see/visit, and if anyone could help me make contacts to do some trading while I'm there. It'd be nice to know if the petoskies should be left home and the datolites brought forth. I'll take responses either off or on list. Thanks. -- Peter Sparks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Feb 23 06:12:50 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Feb 23 06:12:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] A mine question Message-ID: <022320061412.5979.43FDC2E1000718CA0000175B216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I agree, that there is no standard way used to designate levels in mines (like floors in buildings). In most currently active mines in the U.S., the levels are named by the depth in feet, so there may be a 100 level, 250 level, etc. So in an abandoned mine where all signs have presumably been removed (or an old enough mine, where they never had them), I think it's just up to the collector who's trying to describe them, to use whatever reasonably clear and accurate system of referring to them that you can, unless as Neil says, you can find them named on old maps or reports. In the common case where there's entry from an adit, and then a vertical or inclined shaft leads to deeper levels, the entry level would often be known as the "adit level". Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "Neil A" : -------------- > > > > > The question is, are we now on level two or level three? None of us could > agree. Is a > > ground level adit level one or level zero? > > > Adits are by and large the oldest mining entry bar open stoping. An adit at > the bottom of a mountain would provide drainage and all levels above that > would be negative levels if the adit was one, and onwards downwards. There > is no hard and fast reference for this as the time of excavation, the name > of the mine captains fanily, the shareholder families, depth in metres, > feet, or fathoms all define what a level is eventually called. > > You could go down a mine that named its lower levels in fathoms from datum, > eg 360 Fathom Level being 360 fathoms below sea level, and break through > into an old mine whose levels were named from rockhead and suddenl find > yourself at the 400 fathom level in one step, climb a short ladder in 'Sids > raise' to Fletchers level, then go along 'Wellington Decline' to surface... > > The only right answer comes from the one that looks up the answer on the old > plans > > :) > > Regards > Neil A > ACSM > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tjokela at execulink.com Thu Feb 23 07:08:10 2006 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Thu Feb 23 07:08:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] pegmatite classification online? References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> <43F49B33.30101@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c6388a$f5e7f6a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Anybody have a link to a good online description/comparison/list of NYF and LCT pegmatites? I'm trying to place a prolific local peg into some sort of context, compare it to others, and see what minerals should be there. I have yet to order the Simmons book, and was amazed at the paucity of useful data turned up by Google. Thanks for any links! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com From info at demineralia.com Thu Feb 23 07:26:06 2006 From: info at demineralia.com (info@demineralia.com) Date: Thu Feb 23 07:26:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: pegmatite classification online? In-Reply-To: <000301c6388a$f5e7f6a0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> <43F49B33.30101@earthlink.net> <000301c6388a$f5e7f6a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <20060223152606.16888.qmail@webmaild.fe1.aruba.it> Tim Jokela Jr. Scrive: hi tim, I think you can go at the page: http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/finalprogram/abstract_78261.htm it is a serie of abstracts about granitic pegmatites of the 2004 Denver meeting. you can try to check out this page. there are some links to other granitic clessification works... surely the skip simmon's book is usefull for solve your problem... regards, emanuele marini www.demineralia.com - geomineral service international > Anybody have a link to a good online description/comparison/list of NYF > and LCT pegmatites? > > I'm trying to place a prolific local peg into some sort of context, > compare it to others, and see what minerals should be there. > > I have yet to order the Simmons book, and was amazed at the paucity of > useful data turned up by Google. > > Thanks for any links! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dguin at earthlink.net Thu Feb 23 07:30:48 2006 From: dguin at earthlink.net (Dave Guin) Date: Thu Feb 23 07:30:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] pegmatite classification online? In-Reply-To: <000301c6388a$f5e7f6a0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060216054218.040df070@orerockon.com> <43F49B33.30101@earthlink.net> <000301c6388a$f5e7f6a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <43FDD528.9010406@earthlink.net> Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > Anybody have a link to a good online description/comparison/list of > NYF and LCT pegmatites? > > I'm trying to place a prolific local peg into some sort of context, > compare it to others, and see what minerals should be there. > > I have yet to order the Simmons book, and was amazed at the paucity of > useful data turned up by Google. Get Skip's book. The only other way I know to get the to get the info in it is, to subscribe to various journals and order back issues. Attend the Maine Pegmatite workshop ( http://homepage.mac.com/rasprague/PegShop/curricu2.html ) so that you can meet and discuss these things in depth with the authors. Skip is usually very good about sharing info online, but the department was flooded and their computer equipment was destroyed by Katrina, so they are still in recovery mode. You will find that they are a VERY small club. Peace, dave Peace, dave From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Feb 23 08:31:31 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Feb 23 08:31:38 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] pegmatite classification online? Message-ID: <022320061631.4099.43FDE35900043E0E00001003216037622307059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Tim, This may be one of those cases where "all the information one would like to look up" is just not posted on the web, and one might have to go the long traditional route and go to a library to look up hard-copy books. I did a quick search, I did find in this pegmatite mining report online, PDF] GEOLOGICAL REPORT File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Cerný (1991a) summarizes PEGMATITE CLASSIFICATION AT three levels: family, class. AND type. the LCT [Li, Rb, Cs, be, Sn, Ga, Ta>Nb (B, P, F)], NYF (Nb>Ta, ... www.wareaglemining.com/i/pdf/MAC-2002-TechReport.pdf - Supplemental Result - page 13 as it's numbered in the report (displays as page 16 in the Adobe Acrobat Reader document) shows a simple diagram of Petr Cerny's classification, giving different mineral associations characteristic of LCT and NYF-type pegmatites. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "Tim Jokela Jr." : -------------- > Anybody have a link to a good online description/comparison/list of NYF and > LCT pegmatites? > > I'm trying to place a prolific local peg into some sort of context, compare > it to others, and see what minerals should be there. > > I have yet to order the Simmons book, and was amazed at the paucity of > useful data turned up by Google. > > Thanks for any links! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Feb 23 08:31:52 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Feb 23 08:32:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] pegmatite classification online? Message-ID: <022320061631.4639.43FDE36B000C641D0000121F216037622307059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Tim, This may be one of those cases where "all the information one would like to look up" is just not posted on the web, and one might have to go the long traditional route and go to a library to look up hard-copy books. I did a quick search, I did find in this pegmatite mining report online, PDF] GEOLOGICAL REPORT File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Cerný (1991a) summarizes PEGMATITE CLASSIFICATION AT three levels: family, class. AND type. the LCT [Li, Rb, Cs, be, Sn, Ga, Ta>Nb (B, P, F)], NYF (Nb>Ta, ... www.wareaglemining.com/i/pdf/MAC-2002-TechReport.pdf - Supplemental Result - page 13 as it's numbered in the report (displays as page 16 in the Adobe Acrobat Reader document) shows a simple diagram of Petr Cerny's classification, giving different mineral associations characteristic of LCT and NYF-type pegmatites. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from "Tim Jokela Jr." : -------------- > Anybody have a link to a good online description/comparison/list of NYF and > LCT pegmatites? > > I'm trying to place a prolific local peg into some sort of context, compare > it to others, and see what minerals should be there. > > I have yet to order the Simmons book, and was amazed at the paucity of > useful data turned up by Google. > > Thanks for any links! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com > The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rik.dillen at skynet.be Thu Feb 23 09:22:56 2006 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Feb 23 09:23:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Netherlands In-Reply-To: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49D9AA2D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> Message-ID: <001501c6389d$c989a5a0$e4a1f151@Rik> Hi Peter, You SHOULD take the opportunity to visit our mineral show on 6 and 7 May in Antwerp. It's a big show, with more than 400 m of table length in a big hall just south of Antwerp city centre. See below (signature) for more information. Hope to see you there ! Grts, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sparks Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:09 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Netherlands A quick introduction: I've been a list member for a bit over a month now and could be counted as a rockhound. I have literal tons of agates and other odds & ends, run the club lapidary workshop, co-edit the club newsletter, and am the vice president/program chair in a second club. I help in activities in a third club when I'm able though I'm not a member. Main topic: I will be traveling to the Amsterdam in the Netherlands and possible other countries in Europe. I arrive May 1 and return to the States May 13. This is partially a business trip so I'll be in a conference May 9 - May 12. Hotel reservations before the conference have not been made yet. I'm interested in knowing sites I should see/visit, and if anyone could help me make contacts to do some trading while I'm there. It'd be nice to know if the petoskies should be left home and the datolites brought forth. I'll take responses either off or on list. Thanks. -- Peter Sparks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From fossilnut at verizon.net Fri Feb 24 04:25:05 2006 From: fossilnut at verizon.net (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Fri Feb 24 04:25:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Show next weekend Message-ID: <002401c6393d$58c59590$6400a8c0@hppav> Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc. C/O Eugene Hartstein 9 Verbena Drive Newark, Delaware 19711 WHO: Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc. WHAT: 43rd Annual Earth Science Gem and Mineral Show WHEN - Saturday, March 4, 2006 - 10 A.M. to 6 P.M. Sunday, March 5, 2006 - 11 A.M. to 5 P.M. WHERE: Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713. PURPOSE: To foster interest in geology, mineralogy, paleontology and the lapidary arts HOW - Tickets available at the door: Adults $5.00, Seniors $4.00, Juniors $3.00, and children under 12 free with Adult. FEATURES ? Interesting and educational exhibits of mineral, lapidary and fossil specimens ? Displays from regional and university museums ? Larger facilities with an expanded list of outstanding dealers of minerals, fossils, gems, jewelry and lapidary supplies. ? Hourly door prizes and large specimen raffle ? Lapidary demonstrations ? Children's booth where youngsters may purchase inexpensive minerals, fossils and grab bags. Club booth with member-crafted lapidary work and mineral/fossil specimens from member's collections for sale ? Campus cafeteria open most of the day for food and snacks For further information, contact: ? Gene Hartstein, (302) 234-4488 (E-Mail- gene@fossilnut.com) (Publicity) ? Karissa Hendershot (302) 762-7760 (President) ? Wayne Urion (302) 998-0686 (E-Mail- wurion@aol.com ) (Show Chair) Info and Discount coupons at www.delminsociety.net Gene Hartstein - Show Publicity Chair --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/gif --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 05:54:06 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 24 05:54:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson? Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4745752.stm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Feb 24 06:29:57 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Feb 24 06:30:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson? Message-ID: <022420061429.2067.43FF1865000210BC00000813215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Here's a link to the story about this in the Tucson Citizen. It doesn't say a whole lot more, but says that the fossils were seized back during the show, from Argentina dealer Rhodo Co., which was at the Tucson Gem, Mineral, & Fossil Showcase. http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/022406a8_smuggledfossils Pete -------------- Original message from "J Bryan Kramer" : -------------- > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4745752.stm > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Fri Feb 24 06:46:21 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 24 06:46:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson? In-Reply-To: <022420061429.2067.43FF1865000210BC00000813215876675507059C 0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <022420061429.2067.43FF1865000210BC00000813215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060224064551.032769a8@orerockon.com> This does say a whole lot more lol. http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/117348 At 06:29 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >Here's a link to the story about this in the Tucson Citizen. It >doesn't say a whole lot more, but says that the fossils were seized >back during the show, from Argentina dealer Rhodo Co., which was at >the Tucson Gem, Mineral, & Fossil Showcase. > >http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/022406a8_smuggledfossils > >Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Feb 24 07:00:59 2006 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Feb 24 07:03:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson? References: <022420061429.2067.43FF1865000210BC00000813215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060224064551.032769a8@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <003401c63953$23ee5ad0$0200a8c0@warren> Loved the last line: On StarNet: lkjaf ad sjf;l j fl ;kjsd ;lkjsd dslkj kjs dfads fadsfa.www.azstarnet.com/xxxxx > This does say a whole lot more lol. > > http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/117348 > From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Feb 24 07:24:43 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Feb 24 07:24:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson Message-ID: <022420061524.28304.43FF2539000BBA7600006E90215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Interesting (and says a lot about the "spin" that people put on stories about commercial sale of fossils", that this newspaper article says, "Like stolen art, there is a black market and a gray market for smuggled fossils, said Mark Goodwin, a paleontologist at the University of California Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley, Calif. " This statement doesn't acknowledge that there is any legitimate "white" market for fossils. I realize that the statement as written only pertains to "smuggled" fossils, but it leaves the reader the impression, that all fossil sales are "gray" at best. As the news story relates, "...agents say there's a chance no law was broken. Argentina passed a law in 2003 making it illegal to export fossils without government permission. But if the fossils were exported before 2003, there may be no prosecutable crime" If indeed this is all true, and there may have been no crime involved, then there may have been no legitimate reason to have confiscated the fossils at all. Obviously, they will investigate and look for documentation as to when the material was collected and exported, and whether Argentinian laws were broken. But news stories about fossils usually tend to take the view (based on interviewing paleontologists who are opposed to any sale of fossils) that any commercial sale of fossils is bad, and that if it isn't illegal, it should be. Many of us, of course, professionals as well as hobbyists, do not believe this to be true. Pete Modreski -------------- Original message from Tim Fisher : -------------- > This does say a whole lot more lol. > > http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/117348 > > At 06:29 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > >Here's a link to the story about this in the Tucson Citizen. It > >doesn't say a whole lot more, but says that the fossils were seized > >back during the show, from Argentina dealer Rhodo Co., which was at > >the Tucson Gem, Mineral, & Fossil Showcase. > > > >http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/022406a8_smuggledfossils > > > >Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 07:24:44 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 24 07:25:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060224064551.032769a8@orerockon.com> References: <022420061429.2067.43FF1865000210BC00000813215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060224064551.032769a8@orerockon.com> Message-ID: Roadside shows? Makes it sound like these people are selling stuff out of their car trunks on the side of the road. BK On 2/24/06, Tim Fisher wrote: > > This does say a whole lot more lol. > > http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/117348 > > At 06:29 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > >Here's a link to the story about this in the Tucson Citizen. It > >doesn't say a whole lot more, but says that the fossils were seized > >back during the show, from Argentina dealer Rhodo Co., which was at > >the Tucson Gem, Mineral, & Fossil Showcase. > > > >http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/022406a8_smuggledfossils > > > >Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 07:35:53 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 24 07:36:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Police raid at Tucson In-Reply-To: <022420061524.28304.43FF2539000BBA7600006E90215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <022420061524.28304.43FF2539000BBA7600006E90215876675507059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: You ought to write a letter to the editor at that paper. I've heard at Dinosaur N.M. that there are hundreds of known fossil sites where the fossils are just decaying away to sand and pebbles since there aren't enough palentologists interested or available to excavate them. BK On 2/24/06, pjmodreski@att.net wrote: > > Interesting (and says a lot about the "spin" that people put on stories > about commercial sale of fossils", that this newspaper article says, > > "Like stolen art, there is a black market and a gray market for smuggled > fossils, said Mark Goodwin, a paleontologist at the University of California > Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley, Calif. " > > This statement doesn't acknowledge that there is any legitimate "white" > market for fossils. I realize that the statement as written only pertains > to "smuggled" fossils, but it leaves the reader the impression, that all > fossil sales are "gray" at best. > > As the news story relates, > > "...agents say there's a chance no law was broken. > Argentina passed a law in 2003 making it illegal to export fossils without > government permission. But if the fossils were exported before 2003, there > may be no prosecutable crime" > > If indeed this is all true, and there may have been no crime involved, > then there may have been no legitimate reason to have confiscated the > fossils at all. Obviously, they will investigate and look for documentation > as to when the material was collected and exported, and whether Argentinian > laws were broken. But news stories about fossils usually tend to take the > view (based on interviewing paleontologists who are opposed to any sale of > fossils) that any commercial sale of fossils is bad, and that if it isn't > illegal, it should be. Many of us, of course, professionals as well as > hobbyists, do not believe this to be true. > > Pete Modreski > -------------- Original message from Tim Fisher : > -------------- > > > > This does say a whole lot more lol. > > > > http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/117348 > > > > At 06:29 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > > >Here's a link to the story about this in the Tucson Citizen. It > > >doesn't say a whole lot more, but says that the fossils were seized > > >back during the show, from Argentina dealer Rhodo Co., which was at > > >the Tucson Gem, Mineral, & Fossil Showcase. > > > > > >http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/022406a8_smuggledfossils > > > > > >Pete > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jsmall47 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 24 07:50:14 2006 From: jsmall47 at earthlink.net (Jim Small) Date: Fri Feb 24 07:45:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] advertisement Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060224104906.024b6020@mail.earthlink.net> We have completed our rough rock barn and are now open for business! Please send me a note off-list if you would like a copy of our new price list for cabbing rough. KOR, Jim Small Small Wonders Lapidary Church Hill, TN --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 24 07:53:03 2006 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Fri Feb 24 07:52:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224075041.01f66d78@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Can anyone, especially the academics among us, shed some light on the announcement of the recent FBI seizure of Argentine fossil cones and branches among others from the Tucson Show displays? Glen From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Fri Feb 24 08:32:47 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael) Date: Fri Feb 24 08:34:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224075041.01f66d78@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c6395f$f29e6120$6802a8c0@heathercomp> what light is there really to shed? The news stories have essentially reported everything that seems to be, at this point anyway, worth reporting. The story will disappear if it is discovered that the fossil specimens were in fact exported prior to the implementation of Argentina's cultural property laws...but I doubt that will happen. I know Mark Goodwin of Berkeley, and he is one of these die hard "fossil dealers are the scum of the earth" academics. It doesn't make the story interesting if they went to another paleontologist at Berkeley, the one I sell fossils to, and got a quote from him that the specimens might very well be legal. Newspapers don't want a quote like that...they want sensationalism....they want big numbers, and words like non-replaceable, and priceless. I once heard an academic tell me that hadrasaur eggs from China were "non replaceable"...uh huh. How many tens of thousands do you want me to get for you in the next month???...and I mean that literally. They are used for building stones in stone walls in some villages in China....but information like that doesn't serve to create a "good story". Customs officials are heavy-handed. They do what they are told, and they are instructed-quite often' by academics who let their personal beliefs cloud their professional judgment. Even if these specimens are found to be legal, I doubt whether they will ever be returned to the seller- Rhodo. This happens all the time....and in other countries than the USA. I once had a Canadian government official who worked for the Heritage Dept. (the department responsible for monitoring Canada's and other UNESCO's country signatories cultural property-fossils, archaeological items, etc.) tell me that if he ever saw a shipment of fossils coming to me from Lebanon, he would seize them. It didn't matter to him that I had a letter from a senior government official in Lebanon saying there was nothing illegal about fossil exports, and that they didn't consider them to be protected under Lebanese law...that it was the Phoenician and Greek and Roman artifacts they were worried about protecting. I was told by this simple idiot in Ottawa that the Canadian government didn't interpret Lebanon's law that way, and regardless of what letter I had saying the items were legal, they would seize them. All this would do to help me in the end would be to show that I at least went to the effort of trying to make sure what I was doing was legal,,,and I would probably avoid criminal charges/fines. It would not stop them from seizing the material...and I would have to spend more money fighting it in court than the pieces were worth. A friend of mine was once convicted and fined a LOT of money for illegally collecting a fossil on BLM land. This is a big no-no for any of you who are unfamiliar with these laws. Essentially, he thought he was on private land...was told so by the land owner, and found out later he wasn't. The fossil he collected was confiscated, and the charges were laid. The better part of 100K later....he ended up with a felony record. Oddly enough, I sold him several years later essentially the same thing that he collected illegally. My price to him was somewhere around $3500. The funny thing, his confiscated, illegally collected specimen was "appraised" by a well known fossil dealer in the US...at somewhere around $250,000. Not bad...an appraisal for about 90x the actual value. Customs loves numbers like this...it makes good news and helps their careers. It was only later that my friend's lawyer uncovered evidence that this dealer/appraiser had been caught more than once giving hugely inflated appraisals on fossils. The evidence of this, however, was conveniently buried by state political friends of this dealer's wife. The last little bit of irony in all of this is that this dealer collects fossils on land he leases/has an agreement with- the federal government....but obviously there is no conflict of interest here...right? If you ever have a fossil seized by customs officials in the USA or Canada, you are extremely unlikely to get it back if you are proven to be innocent...unless you are prepared for a long court battle. Governments make their decisions making laws based on what their "experts" tell them....their experts are in some cases academics who don't care whether it is legal or not to collect fossils, they want to see private collectors and dealers strung up. What they also don't understand is that half the time, as in the case of an academic at the Burke Museum in Washington, they are breaking the law more often than these dealers and collectors. This academic in Washington may have broken literally hundreds of laws, and illegally collected and exported and sold thousands of fossils, rendering a museum's (almost entire) collection to be scientifically worthless...but where is the news on this man? An isolated story here and there...but a fossil dealer doing something that may not in the end even be illegal? Plastered all over international press. Thank God I have more academics I deal with that are pro fossil sales/collecting than guys like Goodman...and Sereno. It is Sereno's belief that commercially collected/purchased fossils don't exist.....I wonder how he avoids walking into Sue every time he walks through the Field Museum?? Maybe I'll ask the twit one day. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Miller" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure > Can anyone, especially the academics among us, shed some light on the > announcement > of the recent FBI seizure of Argentine fossil cones and branches among > others from the Tucson > Show displays? > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From libawc at emory.edu Fri Feb 24 08:40:52 2006 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Fri Feb 24 08:41:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure In-Reply-To: <00ee01c6395f$f29e6120$6802a8c0@heathercomp> Message-ID: <004801c63961$136f25a0$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Hi Michael: Good post. Now a question from someone totally out of the loop and probably a bit na?ve to boot: What happens to specimens once they're confiscated? If they are probably never returned, where do they end up? In someone's backyard? The trash? Re-sold on the black market? In a vault somewhere never to see the light of day again (shades of Raider's of the Lost Ark?) Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of michael Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:33 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure what light is there really to shed? The news stories have essentially reported everything that seems to be, at this point anyway, worth reporting. The story will disappear if it is discovered that the fossil specimens were in fact exported prior to the implementation of Argentina's cultural property laws...but I doubt that will happen. I know Mark Goodwin of Berkeley, and he is one of these die hard "fossil dealers are the scum of the earth" academics. It doesn't make the story interesting if they went to another paleontologist at Berkeley, the one I sell fossils to, and got a quote from him that the specimens might very well be legal. Newspapers don't want a quote like that...they want sensationalism....they want big numbers, and words like non-replaceable, and priceless. I once heard an academic tell me that hadrasaur eggs from China were "non replaceable"...uh huh. How many tens of thousands do you want me to get for you in the next month???...and I mean that literally. They are used for building stones in stone walls in some villages in China....but information like that doesn't serve to create a "good story". Customs officials are heavy-handed. They do what they are told, and they are instructed-quite often' by academics who let their personal beliefs cloud their professional judgment. Even if these specimens are found to be legal, I doubt whether they will ever be returned to the seller- Rhodo. This happens all the time....and in other countries than the USA. I once had a Canadian government official who worked for the Heritage Dept. (the department responsible for monitoring Canada's and other UNESCO's country signatories cultural property-fossils, archaeological items, etc.) tell me that if he ever saw a shipment of fossils coming to me from Lebanon, he would seize them. It didn't matter to him that I had a letter from a senior government official in Lebanon saying there was nothing illegal about fossil exports, and that they didn't consider them to be protected under Lebanese law...that it was the Phoenician and Greek and Roman artifacts they were worried about protecting. I was told by this simple idiot in Ottawa that the Canadian government didn't interpret Lebanon's law that way, and regardless of what letter I had saying the items were legal, they would seize them. All this would do to help me in the end would be to show that I at least went to the effort of trying to make sure what I was doing was legal,,,and I would probably avoid criminal charges/fines. It would not stop them from seizing the material...and I would have to spend more money fighting it in court than the pieces were worth. A friend of mine was once convicted and fined a LOT of money for illegally collecting a fossil on BLM land. This is a big no-no for any of you who are unfamiliar with these laws. Essentially, he thought he was on private land...was told so by the land owner, and found out later he wasn't. The fossil he collected was confiscated, and the charges were laid. The better part of 100K later....he ended up with a felony record. Oddly enough, I sold him several years later essentially the same thing that he collected illegally. My price to him was somewhere around $3500. The funny thing, his confiscated, illegally collected specimen was "appraised" by a well known fossil dealer in the US...at somewhere around $250,000. Not bad...an appraisal for about 90x the actual value. Customs loves numbers like this...it makes good news and helps their careers. It was only later that my friend's lawyer uncovered evidence that this dealer/appraiser had been caught more than once giving hugely inflated appraisals on fossils. The evidence of this, however, was conveniently buried by state political friends of this dealer's wife. The last little bit of irony in all of this is that this dealer collects fossils on land he leases/has an agreement with- the federal government....but obviously there is no conflict of interest here...right? If you ever have a fossil seized by customs officials in the USA or Canada, you are extremely unlikely to get it back if you are proven to be innocent...unless you are prepared for a long court battle. Governments make their decisions making laws based on what their "experts" tell them....their experts are in some cases academics who don't care whether it is legal or not to collect fossils, they want to see private collectors and dealers strung up. What they also don't understand is that half the time, as in the case of an academic at the Burke Museum in Washington, they are breaking the law more often than these dealers and collectors. This academic in Washington may have broken literally hundreds of laws, and illegally collected and exported and sold thousands of fossils, rendering a museum's (almost entire) collection to be scientifically worthless...but where is the news on this man? An isolated story here and there...but a fossil dealer doing something that may not in the end even be illegal? Plastered all over international press. Thank God I have more academics I deal with that are pro fossil sales/collecting than guys like Goodman...and Sereno. It is Sereno's belief that commercially collected/purchased fossils don't exist.....I wonder how he avoids walking into Sue every time he walks through the Field Museum?? Maybe I'll ask the twit one day. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Miller" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure > Can anyone, especially the academics among us, shed some light on the > announcement > of the recent FBI seizure of Argentine fossil cones and branches among > others from the Tucson > Show displays? > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Fri Feb 24 09:04:56 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael) Date: Fri Feb 24 09:05:34 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure Message-ID: <012d01c63964$71d846f0$6802a8c0@heathercomp> in the vast majority of the cases, the specimens would be returned to the governments of the countries they were collected in. Those governments have no qualms about keeping them for their own collections, then. Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anita D. Westlake" > To: "'michael'" ; "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:40 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure > > > Hi Michael: > > Good post. Now a question from someone totally out of the loop and > probably a bit na?ve to boot: What happens to specimens once they're > confiscated? If they are probably never returned, where do they end up? In > someone's backyard? The trash? Re-sold on the black market? In a vault > somewhere never to see the light of day again (shades of Raider's of the > Lost Ark?) > > Anita > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of michael > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:33 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure > > what light is there really to shed? The news stories have essentially > reported everything that seems to be, at this point anyway, worth > reporting. > > The story will disappear if it is discovered that the fossil specimens > were > in fact exported prior to the implementation of Argentina's cultural > property laws...but I doubt that will happen. > > I know Mark Goodwin of Berkeley, and he is one of these die hard "fossil > dealers are the scum of the earth" academics. It doesn't make the story > interesting if they went to another paleontologist at Berkeley, the one I > sell fossils to, and got a quote from him that the specimens might very > well > > be legal. Newspapers don't want a quote like that...they want > sensationalism....they want big numbers, and words like non-replaceable, > and > > priceless. I once heard an academic tell me that hadrasaur eggs from > China > were "non replaceable"...uh huh. How many tens of thousands do you want > me > to get for you in the next month???...and I mean that literally. They are > used for building stones in stone walls in some villages in China....but > information like that doesn't serve to create a "good story". > > Customs officials are heavy-handed. They do what they are told, and they > are instructed-quite often' by academics who let their personal beliefs > cloud their professional judgment. Even if these specimens are found to > be > legal, I doubt whether they will ever be returned to the seller- Rhodo. > This happens all the time....and in other countries than the USA. > > I once had a Canadian government official who worked for the Heritage > Dept. > (the department responsible for monitoring Canada's and other UNESCO's > country signatories cultural property-fossils, archaeological items, etc.) > tell me that if he ever saw a shipment of fossils coming to me from > Lebanon, > > he would seize them. It didn't matter to him that I had a letter from a > senior government official in Lebanon saying there was nothing illegal > about > > fossil exports, and that they didn't consider them to be protected under > Lebanese law...that it was the Phoenician and Greek and Roman artifacts > they > > were worried about protecting. I was told by this simple idiot in Ottawa > that the Canadian government didn't interpret Lebanon's law that way, and > regardless of what letter I had saying the items were legal, they would > seize them. All this would do to help me in the end would be to show that > I > > at least went to the effort of trying to make sure what I was doing was > legal,,,and I would probably avoid criminal charges/fines. It would not > stop them from seizing the material...and I would have to spend more money > fighting it in court than the pieces were worth. > > A friend of mine was once convicted and fined a LOT of money for illegally > collecting a fossil on BLM land. This is a big no-no for any of you who > are > > unfamiliar with these laws. Essentially, he thought he was on private > land...was told so by the land owner, and found out later he wasn't. The > fossil he collected was confiscated, and the charges were laid. The > better > part of 100K later....he ended up with a felony record. Oddly enough, I > sold him several years later essentially the same thing that he collected > illegally. My price to him was somewhere around $3500. The funny thing, > his confiscated, illegally collected specimen was "appraised" by a well > known fossil dealer in the US...at somewhere around $250,000. Not > bad...an > appraisal for about 90x the actual value. Customs loves numbers like > this...it makes good news and helps their careers. It was only later that > my friend's lawyer uncovered evidence that this dealer/appraiser had been > caught more than once giving hugely inflated appraisals on fossils. The > evidence of this, however, was conveniently buried by state political > friends of this dealer's wife. The last little bit of irony in all of > this > is that this dealer collects fossils on land he leases/has an agreement > with- the federal government....but obviously there is no conflict of > interest here...right? > > If you ever have a fossil seized by customs officials in the USA or > Canada, > you are extremely unlikely to get it back if you are proven to be > innocent...unless you are prepared for a long court battle. > > Governments make their decisions making laws based on what their "experts" > tell them....their experts are in some cases academics who don't care > whether it is legal or not to collect fossils, they want to see private > collectors and dealers strung up. What they also don't understand is that > half the time, as in the case of an academic at the Burke Museum in > Washington, they are breaking the law more often than these dealers and > collectors. This academic in Washington may have broken literally > hundreds > of laws, and illegally collected and exported and sold thousands of > fossils, > > rendering a museum's (almost entire) collection to be scientifically > worthless...but where is the news on this man? An isolated story here and > there...but a fossil dealer doing something that may not in the end even > be > illegal? Plastered all over international press. > > Thank God I have more academics I deal with that are pro fossil > sales/collecting than guys like Goodman...and Sereno. It is Sereno's > belief > > that commercially collected/purchased fossils don't exist.....I wonder how > he avoids walking into Sue every time he walks through the Field Museum?? > Maybe I'll ask the twit one day. > > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:53 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure > > >> Can anyone, especially the academics among us, shed some light on the >> announcement >> of the recent FBI seizure of Argentine fossil cones and branches among >> others from the Tucson >> Show displays? >> >> Glen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 09:16:21 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 24 09:16:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure In-Reply-To: <012d01c63964$71d846f0$6802a8c0@heathercomp> References: <012d01c63964$71d846f0$6802a8c0@heathercomp> Message-ID: Or the officials who get them have no qualms about selling them themselves. BK On 2/24/06, michael wrote: > > in the vast majority of the cases, the specimens would be returned to the > governments of the countries they were collected in. Those governments > have > no qualms about keeping them for their own collections, then. > > Michael > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 24 15:52:35 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 24 15:49:17 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] An open question for the list / mineral collection record keeping References: <003201c63838$b21d0c50$9594b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <43FF9B72.9B1@Tomaszewski.net> Laurie, You will want to go to the List Archives for January 2006 and read the thread on 'cataloging mineral collections' as this was recently discussed on the list. http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds/2006-January/thread.html Kreigh Erich Kern wrote: > > This is from my wife, Laurie who asked me to post it to the list. Please reply to her at > her email address at the bottom of the page, as she is not a list member. > > Thanks for your input. > > Erich Kern > > Fwd: > > I am a .net software developer and I have started to write a program for > documenting and tracking a mineral collection. This program would run on > your PC (sorry but not a mac) I would like to know what sort of > information people would be interesting in entering. > > Here is some of what I have so far. I would like to know if I am missing anything or if I > have > too much: > > Mineral Name > Chemical Formula or Name > Mine Name > Mine Level > County/Region > Country > GPS Coordinates Long/Lat > Self Collected, Bought or Trade > Size > Weight > Color > Price > Who it was bought from > Date Aquired/Collected > Date Sold/Traded > Storage Location > ID - do you want to set up your own numbering system or not? > Ability to upload digital pictures or link to an image on the hard drive > Print reports - each item, values > Print Labels > > I am not a member of this list so please contact me off line at > > laurie.jane@kernology.com > > Laurie Kern > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 24 16:02:50 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 24 15:59:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show Announcement (Dealers wanted) Message-ID: <43FF9DD9.6009@Tomaszewski.net> The Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club of Wyoming, Michigan, will be holding its 31st Annual Show on April 6, 7, and 8 at the Rogers Plaza Town Center Mall. At our Club meeting this week the Show Chairperson announced that there is room for a couple more dealers and asked the Club to help fill those tables. If you are a Dealer and would be interested in joining our Club for this show, please contact me off-list and I will get you connected with our Show Chairperson. If you are not a Dealer, mark the dates on your calendar, and I hope to see you at the show. Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Feb 24 16:31:30 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Feb 24 16:31:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure References: <012d01c63964$71d846f0$6802a8c0@heathercomp> Message-ID: <006501c639a2$d2f7faf0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> It goes back to that rare commodity -- common sense. Unless you are infinitely wealthy, you should be careful collecting on property that is not your own. If it isn't problems selling fossils, it is MSHA regulations, or insurance, or ignorance of people in key places. Some of the paleontologists who complain the loudest about commerical fossil sales either became interested in the field in college or completely forgot what it was like to be a child when they found their first fossil or are unware of the importance of amateurs in the field (and don't read any publications which regularly name fossils after amateurs who found them or co-author scientific papers). Granted, as in any hobby, there are idiots out there whose bad deed ruins it for everyone else. But what can you do? There is no law against being an idiot. There are no fossils (or minerals) named after any either, to the best of my knowledge. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael" To: Cc: "Anita D. Westlake" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Argentine fossil seizure > in the vast majority of the cases, the specimens would be returned to the > governments of the countries they were collected in. Those governments > have no qualms about keeping them for their own collections, then. > > Michael From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 17:47:07 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Feb 24 17:47:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? & Rockhound roundup Message-ID: Thanks Kreigh. Someone sent me that link and I read it but never looked to see where it was published. I didn't understand it either. I'm a rockhound, not a geologist. As a rockhound I have a chance to go to the Rockhound Roundup in Demming, NM about March 9 - 11. Has anybody on the list been? Is it a good show? It will add about 500 miles to my trip but if it's worthwhile ............!!! Grant On 2/22/06, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Grant, > > The paper assummes the creation story in the Bible as literal history, > and that the great flood of Noah truely covered the entire Earth causing > massive tectonic changes. A discussion of those assumptions does not > belong on this List as religion and politics are avoided topics here. > > The evidenc From pjmodreski at att.net Fri Feb 24 19:49:07 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Fri Feb 24 19:49:11 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? & Rockhound roundup Message-ID: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Grant, (on both topics), I thought Kreigh's response to your Q was a good one, so I didn't comment further. Yes, it become obvious on reading that piece that its main basis was to show that literal, biblical creationism was correct, and was not impartial earth science, though this was not totally obvious in its beginning. - As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do hear it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips they have planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State Park, and I really had a good time, hiking around there and doing some collecting. Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming has a superb and large display of agates, not only from the Deming area but from all over, and is well worth seeing (it is for its historical displays, too; it's a big museum). And, also worth a stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate shop and museum, located along the road leading to Rockhound State Park--it's a real interesting experience! Pete ------------- Original message from "Grant Johnston" : -------------- > Thanks Kreigh. Someone sent me that link and I read it but never > looked to see where it was published. I didn't understand it either. > I'm a rockhound, not a geologist. > > As a rockhound I have a chance to go to the Rockhound Roundup in > Demming, NM about March 9 - 11. Has anybody on the list been? Is it a > good show? It will add about 500 miles to my trip but if it's > worthwhile ............!!! > > Grant > > On 2/22/06, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Grant, > > > > The paper assummes the creation story in the Bible as literal history, > > and that the great flood of Noah truely covered the entire Earth causing > > massive tectonic changes. A discussion of those assumptions does not > > belong on this List as religion and politics are avoided topics here. > > > > The evidenc > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 24 21:35:40 2006 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Fri Feb 24 21:35:28 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michael's reply Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224213111.01f67bc0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> I'm very pleased that Michael Schmidt didn't stop after his first sentence reply to my request for info on the fossil caper in Tucson. His kind of answer is just what I was looking for; added perspective on the seizures, personal experiences with "officials" dealing with fossil collecting, shipping and possession. Michael, you confirmed my suspicions about Mark Goodwin. I may have to deal with him sometime about Cretaceous ammonites in N. Calif. Thanks. Glen Miller From Paintricks at aol.com Sat Feb 25 07:15:01 2006 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 25 07:15:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Panning rules in Colorado? Message-ID: <2d9.3241cb6.3131ce75@aol.com> Hey Guys, I went panning in Granite near Leadville in the Arkansas River and did ok. Found better gold there better than any place I have been so far. After panning for a couple of hours I saw a sign that said no mining activity permitted. I wasn't bothered by anyone but I was wondering if that pertained to panning too. There were fisherman there also. The river access was easy; just off the hiway. Seemed to be a great public access. I don't want to break rules and get in trouble with anyone. There are mines all over this area and it is a primo spot for panning. You can pan all along this river but the access areas are a little fuzzy as far as rules go. If I need permission on this area, who would I go to and what are the differences between just recreational panning and doing more things like high banking and sluicing or dredging? I just pan right now. This area seems like a public access at least for fisherman. There are places to pull off and park so it seemed like it was ok to be there. I would like to get up to the Mesquito pass areas cuz I hear this is a great area but I'm not sure if the land is all private now. My mining guide and Colorado rock hounding manual tells of these places. I'd like to checkem out when the thaw get's here. Cheers, Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From fossilnut at verizon.net Sat Feb 25 07:25:20 2006 From: fossilnut at verizon.net (EUGENE HARTSTEIN) Date: Sat Feb 25 07:25:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Show Next Weekend Message-ID: <003701c63a1f$b0fb1540$6400a8c0@hppav> I apologize if you are getting this twice. I sent this out earlier this week and then realized it was sent out under an e-mail name not registered on the lists. I think all the lists killed it as an unrecognized poster. I am excidted about our upcoming show. We were forced out of our show hall several years ago, when the hall was sold. Though we fussed immensely, in retrospect it was the best thing that could have happened to us. We are now in a bigger, brighter hall, with a better location, with more of everything and with a renewed sense of getting it done right. So come to the show, you won't be disappointed. For the fossil lovers we will have a special fossil exhibit this year of turtles and tortoises. More info at www.delminsociety.net Gene Hartstein Newark, DE Saturday March 4, 2006 and Sunday March 5, 2006. The Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc. will hold its 43rd Annual Earth Science Gem and Mineral Show @ Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713. Hours Saturday are 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and Sunday 11:00 a.m. till 5:00 p.m. The show features educational exhibits of mineral, lapidary and fossil specimens, displays from regional and university museums, an expanded roster of fine dealers of minerals, fossils, gems, jewelry and lapidary supplies, door prizes, demonstrations of gem cutting and polishing and a children's table, where youngsters may purchase inexpensive mineral and fossil specimens. Admission is $5.00, $4.00 for seniors, $3.00 for youngsters between 12 and 16, and free for children under 12 accompanied by an adult. The Delaware Mineralogical Society is a non-profit organization, affiliated with the Eastern Federation of Mineral Societies, and dedicated to learning and teaching about the earth sciences, rocks, minerals, fossils and the lapidary arts. Membership is open to all who are interested in these areas. Info and Coupons at www.delminsociety.net or contact gene@fossilnut.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Feb 25 07:34:19 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael) Date: Sat Feb 25 07:34:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michael's reply References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060224213111.01f67bc0@pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c63a20$f1e2e0a0$6802a8c0@heathercomp> Mark Goodwin has a real problem with commercial paleontology. He used to collect in a certain place(s) in Montana, Judith River material, and had some problems. He collected there for years, and then one day Canada Fossils came into the area and pissed off all the ranchers, and subsequently they quit letting anybody onto their ranches...including Mark. It really screwed him up...I am sure that accounts for at least part of the reason he has such a dislike for the commercial aspect of paleontology. He's only ever bought cast material from me. When offered actual fossil material, no matter how legal, rare or affordable, he responses are very curt. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Miller" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Michael's reply > I'm very pleased that Michael Schmidt didn't stop after his first sentence > reply to my request for > info on the fossil caper in Tucson. His kind of answer is just what I was > looking for; added > perspective on the seizures, personal experiences with "officials" dealing > with fossil collecting, > shipping and possession. > > Michael, you confirmed my suspicions about Mark Goodwin. I may have to > deal with him > sometime about Cretaceous ammonites in N. Calif. > > Thanks. > > Glen Miller > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tim at orerockon.com Sat Feb 25 07:54:39 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Feb 25 07:55:11 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? & Rockhound roundup In-Reply-To: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C 0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that much I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do >hear it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips >they have planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State >Park, and I really had a good time, hiking around there and doing >some collecting. Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming >has a superb and large display of agates, not only from the Deming >area but from all over, and is well worth seeing (it is for its >historical displays, too; it's a big museum). And, also worth a >stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate shop and museum, >located along the road leading to Rockhound State Park--it's a real >interesting experience! > >Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From Isellwood at patmedia.net Fri Feb 24 15:06:09 2006 From: Isellwood at patmedia.net (Patrick Massey) Date: Sat Feb 25 09:10:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slab polishing help Message-ID: <000001c63996$e6963880$6501a8c0@your6jnhhu0520> I have recently got back into my old hobby from 30 years ago. I want to buy a polishing machine for flat slabs. What do people think is the best way to go? Vibrating flat lap and what brand, or one of the rotating machines. Where can I buy a good used machine? Thanks for your help. Pat Massey Isellwood@patmedia.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 24 15:44:52 2006 From: rockhound at btinternet.com (Neil A) Date: Sat Feb 25 09:10:21 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossil Seizure at Tucson Message-ID: Becky I have read your article on the fossil seizure at Tucson with some interest and dismay. There is a white market for fossil sales, and not all countries have bans on excavation and sales of fossils, indeed there are two fossil quarries allowed in the vertebrate fish beds in the USA that I am aware of. If the fossils were on sale at $1400 then that is their market value, as the sale at market is what determines a market value, not the opinion of a scientist, who historically is personally opposed to the open sale and amateur collecting of the items he wishes to excavate and hoard himself into his museum. There was a government working party into protecting the cliffs of Lyme Regis from the dangerous hammers of amateur fossil collectors which was eventually declared a waste of energy as a storm promptly took 100 foot of cliff and priceless fossils into the sea never to be seen again. Anything not collected by the wider fraternity of amateurs, and traded on the open market will in the long term be returned to the obscurity of dust. It is my belief that museums are not prepared to pay open market prices for these items that they have managed to convince governments that these items should be there only for museums to tinker with. As a non-american citizen of the world, I know you are likely to ignore this plea, but a more balanced approach to this report and less sensationalism would have given the whole affair more credence in the eyes of the numerous collectors of the earth's treasures worldwide. Regards Neil Auty Amateur Collector Professional Mining Engineer From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 09:32:11 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Feb 25 09:32:18 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fossils and the law Message-ID: <20060225173211.78706.qmail@web34601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: Pete, I beg to differ with you on the quote: "Like stolen art, there is a black market and a gray market for smuggled fossils, said Mark Goodwin, a paleontologist at the University of California Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley, Calif. " I don't know Mr. Goodwin, but he is speaking of "stolen art" and "smuggled fossils", and there clearly isn't a legal marketplace for smuggled fossils, nor should there be. I think the relationship between stolen art and smuggled (or otherwise illegal) fossils is a pretty good analogy, actually, because the history of the items is what establishes much of their worth, either scientific or artistic. Neither type of item is worth nearly as much without that historic documentation. No one in the article talked about legally collected fossils, because thay aren't part of this story, unless and until Rhodo, Inc. shows up with genuine customs and shipping documents for their fossil material. Legally collected fossils get sold for big bucks at the shows, and the only news story is the amount of sales, on the local business pages. I know that there are so-called professionals who don't believe in amateurs collecting fossils, even though most fossils are doomed to erode away to sand before a "professional" paleontologist ever lays eyes on them, and I think it's sad that otherwise educated scientists have that problem. I don't agree with them at all. But that isn't part of this story, which is about smuggled fossils. I wonder who turned them in? Possibly another dealer in the same material? Because one thing is for sure, the customs guys didn't dream it up on their own, they were probably totally unaware of the law about fossil exports in Argentina. Keep on Rockin' JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Sat Feb 25 10:49:05 2006 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sat Feb 25 10:49:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slab polishing help In-Reply-To: <000001c63996$e6963880$6501a8c0@your6jnhhu0520> References: <000001c63996$e6963880$6501a8c0@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: On 2/24/06, Patrick Massey wrote: > I have recently got back into my old hobby from 30 years ago. I want > to buy a polishing machine for flat slabs. What do people think is the > best way to go? Vibrating flat lap and what brand, or one of the > rotating machines. Where can I buy a good used machine? > Thanks for your help. > > Pat Massey It's always good to check Ebay. You can get an idea of prices. Also, there used to be online ads at BOB'S ROCKSHOP at http://www.rockhounds.com/ If you are going to buy a vibrating flat lap the 18' dual pan from Diamond-Pacific seemed like a good choice. Your chances of finding a used one are probably pretty low. I think Diamond-Pacific still makes them. You can check their website. Grant From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sat Feb 25 12:49:42 2006 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Feb 25 12:50:01 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver In-Reply-To: <43FF9B72.9B1@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002b01c63a4d$015f6680$bd0fc850@Rik> Hi all, Does anyone know what the situation is with the Vacouver "Pacific Mineral Museum" ? I visited this cute nice museum o few years ago, but at present I cannot find any recent website or whatever means of contact with them. I vaguely remember something about a closure. Who knows more ? Thanks and greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ From bg at his.com Sat Feb 25 12:55:15 2006 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sat Feb 25 12:55:03 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver In-Reply-To: <002b01c63a4d$015f6680$bd0fc850@Rik> References: <002b01c63a4d$015f6680$bd0fc850@Rik> Message-ID: <80ccf667b842b8abedffeaafec437b5f@his.com> dear rik, we too enjoyed the museum. the best i can figure is it closed when mark mauthner went to the houston museum a few years ago. cathy On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Rik Dillen wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know what the situation is with the Vacouver "Pacific > Mineral Museum" ? > I visited this cute nice museum o few years ago, but at present I > cannot find any recent website or whatever means of > contact with them. I vaguely remember something about a closure. > Who knows more ? > Thanks and greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Feb 25 12:58:43 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael) Date: Sat Feb 25 12:58:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver References: <002b01c63a4d$015f6680$bd0fc850@Rik> Message-ID: <003d01c63a4e$4331e000$6802a8c0@heathercomp> It's gone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver > Hi all, > > Does anyone know what the situation is with the Vacouver "Pacific Mineral > Museum" ? > I visited this cute nice museum o few years ago, but at present I cannot > find any recent website or whatever means of > contact with them. I vaguely remember something about a closure. > Who knows more ? > Thanks and greetings, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sat Feb 25 13:03:22 2006 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael) Date: Sat Feb 25 13:03:51 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver References: <002b01c63a4d$015f6680$bd0fc850@Rik> <80ccf667b842b8abedffeaafec437b5f@his.com> Message-ID: <004401c63a4e$ea00f830$6802a8c0@heathercomp> no, it closed and then Mark went to Houston. there were a lot of politics involved with the ownership and management of that museum. I am really surprised it lasted as long as it did Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Gaber" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver > dear rik, > > we too enjoyed the museum. the best i can figure is it closed when mark > mauthner went to the houston museum a few years ago. > > cathy > > On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Rik Dillen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone know what the situation is with the Vacouver "Pacific Mineral >> Museum" ? >> I visited this cute nice museum o few years ago, but at present I cannot >> find any recent website or whatever means of >> contact with them. I vaguely remember something about a closure. >> Who knows more ? >> Thanks and greetings, >> >> Rik DILLEN >> Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas >> Belgium >> E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be >> Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>>> Belgian minerals >>>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>>> Exchange list >> >> MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 >> Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) >> Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen >> http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html >> Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Feb 25 13:18:57 2006 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Feb 25 13:18:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver References: <002b01c63a4d$015f6680$bd0fc850@Rik> <80ccf667b842b8abedffeaafec437b5f@his.com> Message-ID: <001301c63a51$16bc29b0$6400a8c0@Junior> Is kaput, no real market for that sort of thing. Wish I'd seen it before it went belly up, heard it had some insane rocks. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Gaber" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver > dear rik, > > we too enjoyed the museum. the best i can figure is it closed when mark > mauthner went to the houston museum a few years ago. > > cathy > > On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Rik Dillen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone know what the situation is with the Vacouver "Pacific Mineral >> Museum" ? >> I visited this cute nice museum o few years ago, but at present I cannot >> find any recent website or whatever means of >> contact with them. I vaguely remember something about a closure. >> Who knows more ? >> Thanks and greetings, >> >> Rik DILLEN >> Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas >> Belgium >> E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be >> Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>>> Belgian minerals >>>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>>> Exchange list >> >> MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 >> Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) >> Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen >> http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html >> Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sat Feb 25 13:42:24 2006 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Feb 25 13:42:44 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver In-Reply-To: <001301c63a51$16bc29b0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <003201c63a54$5e1e3660$bd0fc850@Rik> Thanks for the information, guys. Best regards Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ From hkrocke at netscape.ca Sat Feb 25 15:58:35 2006 From: hkrocke at netscape.ca (hkrocke) Date: Sat Feb 25 15:58:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pacific Mineral Museum - Vancouver In-Reply-To: <001301c63a51$16bc29b0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: > Is kaput, no real market for that sort of thing. Wish I'd seen it > before it went belly up, heard it had some insane rocks. Some of them can still be seen. They went to the Mineralogical Museum, Department of Geology at UBC (University of British Columbia) Hilmar Krocke Vancouver From tim at orerockon.com Sat Feb 25 16:09:37 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:09:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? At 07:54 AM 2/25/2006, I wrote: >They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that >much I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) > >At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > >>As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do >>hear it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips >>they have planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State >>Park, and I really had a good time, hiking around there and doing >>some collecting. Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming >>has a superb and large display of agates, not only from the Deming >>area but from all over, and is well worth seeing (it is for its >>historical displays, too; it's a big museum). And, also worth a >>stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate shop and museum, >>located along the road leading to Rockhound State Park--it's a real >>interesting experience! >> >>Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From hammerron at yahoo.com Sat Feb 25 16:13:07 2006 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:13:11 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <20060226001307.71684.qmail@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim, I'd consider contacting your airline directly Tim Fisher wrote: Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Feb 25 16:23:52 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:23:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <4400F518.6040505@verizon.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there > still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my > large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Yes we hear you. Unfortunately there is no easy answer to the question. Some time last year, the TSA revised its procedures so that "the screening process is more random and subject to the discrection of the local authority, so that the passenger has a different screening experience every time and has no idea what to expect." Oh boy! When I took my Supper goniometer stage to Chicago, I put it in its own box right on top inside my carry-on, with the instruction book right inside the box, and written on top of the box, "this is the item you are looking for." When the x-ray screener stopped me, as expected (I know what this thing must have looked like http://www.charles-supper.com/Viewing_Mounting_Crystallographic_Specimens.htm ), I said, "the thing you saw is right on top in the cardboard box and is marked as such. The instructions are inside the box so you can see what it does. Please be careful with it if you don't mind." He was quite grateful for my cooperation and only looked at it for a few seconds. Given that, I can only suggest you contact the airline and tell them what you'd like to do and ask how you can expedite the screening process. Best, Don From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Sat Feb 25 16:28:17 2006 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:28:12 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <200602260028.k1Q0S8Xu065346@cti41.citenet.net> travel between the US and Canada all too often so here is my 2 cents worth. In Checked baggage the main risk is that one of the ramp rats (another name for the people who handle baggage and other tasks in the bowels of the airport and aircraft) needs a hammer and it's gone. I'd say ship it UPS or USPS to Paul. The chances of survival are higher and someone will take responsibility and pay off (if insured) when they go missing. The biggest problem I have found is the trusty "It's the other guy's fault" escape clause with Homeland Insecurity, the airline and the airport playing a 3 way game. At least before it was the airline all the way. Just my 2 cents Kay -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:10 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? At 07:54 AM 2/25/2006, I wrote: >They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that >much I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) > >At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > >>As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do hear >>it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips they have >>planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State Park, and I >>really had a good time, hiking around there and doing some collecting. >>Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming has a superb and large >>display of agates, not only from the Deming area but from all over, >>and is well worth seeing (it is for its historical displays, too; it's >>a big museum). And, also worth a stop and look is Paul "the Geode >>Kid"'s agate shop and museum, located along the road leading to >>Rockhound State Park--it's a real interesting experience! >> >>Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Feb 25 14:33:09 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:36:00 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net><7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com><7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> <4400F518.6040505@verizon.net> Message-ID: <022b01c63a5b$789fa080$0300a8c0@otie> Last time I flew to Chicago they ignored my goniometer (never leave home without it) but they DID take my Swiss army knife which I had mistakenly left in my bag. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" > When I took my Supper goniometer stage to Chicago, From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Feb 25 16:41:40 2006 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:44:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net><7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <016401c63a6d$6d864480$0200a8c0@warren> According to the TSA, hammers are allowed in checked baggage, but not in carry-on baggage. http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Permitted_Prohibited_Facts.doc Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions > Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there > still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my > large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will > they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am > replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? > From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Sat Feb 25 16:49:27 2006 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:49:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <022b01c63a5b$789fa080$0300a8c0@otie> Message-ID: <200602260049.k1Q0nHcx065558@cti41.citenet.net> Don and John, Ummm he is asking ref checked luggage.. Except for the obvious things (stuff that makes a radiation detector or explosives detector have a shit fit) the main problem with Checked baggage is theft. LOL when it comes to carry on that is a whole nother ballgame and I do agree it can be a different experience every time. I find it hilarious they have a s**t fit over a pocket screwdriver or 2 inch knife and ignore my cross pen.... I can kill a lot more effectively with the pen.... What can I say the blind being led by the blind... But then again a blind person has to show more intelligence to survive in our world than those idiots who work for TSA... Rant over Kay From turnea55 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 25 16:52:47 2006 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Sat Feb 25 16:52:56 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: Hello, I fly every week for work. Unfortunately, I have actually gotten to know all of the airline restrictions as well as several TSA employees very personally. You cannot take Estwing picks on carry-on luggage. Any types of hammers or large tools are a big no-no. However, you will have no problem checking them in. They are definitely allowed and I have done it several times with rock picks and similar tools. Just make sure you watch your bag go through the bag scan (if the scanner isn't hidden) in case there are any questions. The worst they will do is look through your bag, and once they see the picks, they shouldn't do anything. The bag scanners are used primarily for explosives, they don't typically care about small tools and such. A more interesting question has to do with checking in or carrying rocks on the plane. Back in the day, I used to bring lots of minerals on the plane, including parts of my radioactive collection. That doesn't happen anymore. I have found that it really depends on what airport you are at and how familiar the TSA is with the stuff. In Arizona, I have not had any problems. When I tell them I'm a geologist that works at a mine, they always say "oh, we've seen this lots of times." Other airports have no clue. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA >From: Tim Fisher >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:37 -0800 > >Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there >still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my >large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will >they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am >replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? > >At 07:54 AM 2/25/2006, I wrote: >>They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that much >>I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) >> >>At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >> >>>As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do hear it >>>is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips they have >>>planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State Park, and I >>>really had a good time, hiking around there and doing some collecting. >>>Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming has a superb and large >>>display of agates, not only from the Deming area but from all over, and >>>is well worth seeing (it is for its historical displays, too; it's a big >>>museum). And, also worth a stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate >>>shop and museum, located along the road leading to Rockhound State >>>Park--it's a real interesting experience! >>> >>>Pete > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Sat Feb 25 17:04:18 2006 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Sat Feb 25 17:04:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <016401c63a6d$6d864480$0200a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <200602260104.k1Q149QG065704@cti41.citenet.net> Julie, Ummm is it a hammer or a pick.... That depends on which side of the bed the idiot who has ultimate authority fell out of in the morning. Kay PS yeah you can appeal their decisions... 3 months after the fact they _may_ admit they were wrong, but you are still out of luck. I'm still fighting with the TSA over a microprocessor based controller that was in checked luggage that panicked some pin brain. Yes there are wires, yes there is electronic components no there is no power source, no there is no products that go BOOM, and according to the bomb squad it's just a harmless piece of electronic circuitry like the binder that was beside it and just like the manufacturer says .... But says the TSA it might be something nasty.... Fed-ex is my best friend now and I leave for the governmental voyeurs smelly socks etc.... -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Julie Siebel Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:42 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions According to the TSA, hammers are allowed in checked baggage, but not in carry-on baggage. http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Permitted_Prohibited_Facts.doc Julie From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Feb 25 17:05:20 2006 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Feb 25 17:04:35 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <200602260049.k1Q0nHcx065558@cti41.citenet.net> References: <200602260049.k1Q0nHcx065558@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: <4400FED0.60506@verizon.net> Kay Davis wrote: > Don and John, > > Ummm he is asking ref checked luggage.. Yesssss... but I was just telling a story about how cooperation with the authorities gets you somewhere. I have my own opinions about the whole process, but I am not at the airport to debate procedure, and neither are they, so I go out of my way to do whatever they want me to do. In fact I put every single thing in my carry-on, including my belt, and since I lost over 20 lbs. last spring, my pants are all falling down so I'm standing there with one hand holding my pants up and the other hand holding my ID and the boarding pass. If you know Tim, he needs encouragement to be meek and cooperative. I don't want to say any more on the subject either, but I'll sign off with just one more reminder that anyone planning to fly should check with the airline or TSA if they have any questions at all about either carry-on or checked items, including rocks and minerals. If you haven't flown since "you know when," it will be a surprising experience. Good luck to all, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 25 17:38:01 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 25 17:38:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <44010677.4D26@Tomaszewski.net> Tim, You can check the hammer, but don't think about trying to carry it onto the plane. But you should consider mailing it (FedX, UPS, USPS), and any specimens you collect when away; it/they will be more likely to arrive. Kreigh Tim Fisher wrote: > > Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are > there still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on > taking my large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to > give to Paul. Will they have a fit when these show up on the baggage > scan? Because I am replying to my own message, am I just asking > myself this question? > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sat Feb 25 18:18:34 2006 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Sat Feb 25 18:14:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <44010677.4D26@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Hi all, One of the large alabaster bowls I sent to Tucson broke in shipping and in order to show it I glued it with superglue. The bowl in question is back at home now and I need to gently undo those joints to restore it properly. The technical challenge is that the bowl is big, about the size of a half beachball, and the superglue joints are not tight. Even if I were to swaddle it in aluminum foil and fill it with acetone this would quickly leak out. The prospect of having two gallons of acetone leak onto my floor is not an appealing one and Canadian winter makes it problematical to do this - or anything else - outdoors. I understand that water will weaken a cyanoacrylate bond and hence have the bowl submerged. However after 24 hours nothing useful has yet happened. Is there perhaps a non-volatile dissolving agent I can paint onto the joints? Or a reagent I can add to the water (maybe sodium hydroxide?) that will reliably attack the cyanoacrylate? Any experience-based recommendations will be seriously welcome. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Feb 25 18:24:23 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 25 18:24:27 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <44010677.4D26@Tomaszewski.net> <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: Well if you could do one section at a time maybe you could saturate some paper towels with Acetone and lay them over a section of cracks. Cover the top of the bowl with aluminum foil to hold the fumes in. That would also tend to keep the towels wet with acetone. BK On 2/25/06, Hans Durstling wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of the large alabaster bowls I sent to Tucson broke in shipping and > in order to show it I glued it with superglue. The bowl in question is > back at home now and I need to gently undo those joints to restore it > properly. > > The technical challenge is that the bowl is big, about the size of a > half beachball, and the superglue joints are not tight. Even if I were > to swaddle it in aluminum foil and fill it with acetone this would > quickly leak out. The prospect of having two gallons of acetone leak > onto my floor is not an appealing one and Canadian winter makes it > problematical to do this - or anything else - outdoors. > > I understand that water will weaken a cyanoacrylate bond and hence have > the bowl submerged. However after 24 hours nothing useful has yet > happened. > > Is there perhaps a non-volatile dissolving agent I can paint onto the > joints? Or a reagent I can add to the water (maybe sodium hydroxide?) > that will reliably attack the cyanoacrylate? Any experience-based > recommendations will be seriously welcome. > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Feb 25 18:31:15 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 25 18:31:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <44010677.4D26@Tomaszewski.net> <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: Oh yes, and here in the US the more expensive paper towels seem to have a good portion of plastic of some sort in them. Those might not deal with Acetone in a satisfactory way. The cheap all paper ones probably would be best. BK On 2/25/06, Hans Durstling wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of the large alabaster bowls I sent to Tucson broke in shipping and > in order to show it I glued it with superglue. The bowl in question is > back at home now and I need to gently undo those joints to restore it > properly. > > The technical challenge is that the bowl is big, about the size of a > half beachball, and the superglue joints are not tight. Even if I were > to swaddle it in aluminum foil and fill it with acetone this would > quickly leak out. The prospect of having two gallons of acetone leak > onto my floor is not an appealing one and Canadian winter makes it > problematical to do this - or anything else - outdoors. > > I understand that water will weaken a cyanoacrylate bond and hence have > the bowl submerged. However after 24 hours nothing useful has yet > happened. > > Is there perhaps a non-volatile dissolving agent I can paint onto the > joints? Or a reagent I can add to the water (maybe sodium hydroxide?) > that will reliably attack the cyanoacrylate? Any experience-based > recommendations will be seriously welcome. > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Feb 25 16:42:01 2006 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Feb 25 18:44:54 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue References: <44010677.4D26@Tomaszewski.net><2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <027f01c63a6d$79782100$0300a8c0@otie> To expand on BK's idea, I suggest using fabric (old towels or cotton socks) if you're worried about plastic in the paper towels. How about putting a jar of acetone inside the bowl, cut a cotton wick with one end in the jar and the other keeping the fabric saturated. Cover the whole thing with foil and hope for the best. Good luck - John ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" Well if you could do one section at a time maybe you could saturate some paper towels with Acetone and lay them over a section of cracks. Cover the top of the bowl with aluminum foil to hold the fumes in. That would also tend to keep the towels wet with acetone. BK From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Feb 25 18:51:43 2006 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Feb 25 18:51:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <027f01c63a6d$79782100$0300a8c0@otie> References: <44010677.4D26@Tomaszewski.net> <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> <027f01c63a6d$79782100$0300a8c0@otie> Message-ID: That make even more sense. BK On 2/25/06, John Siebel wrote: > > To expand on BK's idea, I suggest using fabric (old towels or cotton > socks) > if you're worried about plastic in the paper towels. How about putting a > jar > of acetone inside the bowl, cut a cotton wick with one end in the jar and > the other keeping the fabric saturated. Cover the whole thing with foil > and > hope for the best. > > Good luck - John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > > Well if you could do one section at a time maybe you could saturate some > paper towels with Acetone and lay them over a section of cracks. Cover the > top of the bowl with aluminum foil to hold the fumes in. That would also > tend to keep the towels wet with acetone. > > BK > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Feb 25 19:04:21 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Feb 25 19:04:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? & Rockhound roundup Message-ID: <022620060304.27486.44011AB4000EC61200006B5E215876672007059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I'll bet you'll have a great time! Pete -------------- Original message from Tim Fisher : -------------- > They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that > much I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) > > At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > > >As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do > >hear it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips > >they have planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State > >Park, and I really had a good time, hiking around there and doing > >some collecting. Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming > >has a superb and large display of agates, not only from the Deming > >area but from all over, and is well worth seeing (it is for its > >historical displays, too; it's a big museum). And, also worth a > >stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate shop and museum, > >located along the road leading to Rockhound State Park--it's a real > >interesting experience! > > > >Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 25 19:38:07 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 25 19:37:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report Message-ID: <4401228C.463@Tomaszewski.net> Today in Grand Rapids, MI it was sunny, with random snow flurries, and a good breeze to make it feel colder than the 30 degrees on the thermometer. It was a great day for a Club Field Trip. The Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club met in the parking lot of Calvin College. We exchanged greetings and talked about the minerals we wanted to see today. Everyone was in great spirits, and up for this rare winter Field Trip. We got out of our cars and walked across the campus road to the Geology Department of the College, in the basement of the North Science Hall. We met in front of the display cases in the hall outside the department lounge. We were facing some outstanding mineral specimens. Of particular note was a softball+ sized chunk of Realgar that was turning into Orpiment, on exposure to light. When this occurs the physical structure changes and it gets larger. This causes an occasional crystal to pop off the rock. The area around the specimen was bright yellow, but there were grains scattered over the entire 1 x 4 foot shelf it was in the corner of. The full page label behind the specimen described what was occurring. Our Host, Dr. Gerry Van Kooten, greeted us and we moved into the lounge. We had fun identifying the specimens sitting around the room. Dr. Van Kooten introduced us to the work the department was doing, its history, and its curriculum. The Club presented a specimen to the College as thanks for the trip. Then we started our tour. We returned to the display cases and Dr. Gerry highlited some mastadon fossils. A nearby church had been expanding their parking lot some years ago and found bones. The College was called in and recovered an almost complete mastadon, which they are still in the process of reconstructing. We moved on to their Map room. What an amazing resource to discover less than 10 miles from my home. I learned some interesting tidbits looking at some of the (state) geology maps on the wall. Next was Petrology. It was a classroom walled with storage cabinets containing the petrology collection. We had a great time rummaging thru the drawers and discussing the various types of rock we found. We moved on to Mineralogy. Another classroom lined with cabinets. And scopes with thin slices. Black lights. And drawer after drawer after drawer full of minerals, including many we had never seen before. We spent most of our time in this room for good reason. I was quite pleased that several club members were able to provide new information about some of the specimens (typically better location) that they recogized from personal collecting. Of particular note was a 2 foot vug that a member was able assign to the Pugh Quarry because they had collected it, and donated it to the college so many years ago the details had been lost. We moved on to Fossils. Seeing most of a mastadon layed out on top of cabinets and on carts was quite interesting. They have the big bone fragments connected, but many of the bones were crushed and are nothing but small pieces. They are making good progress putting the three dimensional jigsaw puzzle back together. It was fun to see a work in progress. We looked in on the lecture halls, the senior students study room, the computer lab, and then went to the Instrument Room. Part of the room floor was isolated from the building and contained a student built xyz seisomograph. The walls were lined with classic quake signatures they had captured. I thought my basement would be a great location for their x-ray unit; I like gadgets that identify minerals. I may have come home empty handed from this Field Trip, but my experience was greatly enriched by getting to handle the collection of a College. All of us, including our Host, Gerry, learned something from the discussions. On the way home my High School daughter and I agreed it was a great Field Trip. It doesn't get much better. If your Club has not done a Field Trip to a local College's Geology Department, you need to consider it. This was certainly a DON'T MISS event, and one of the best Field Trips I've taken in years. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 25 20:06:22 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 25 20:06:09 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue References: <2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <44012928.7157@Tomaszewski.net> I use Nail Polish Remover as a cheap source of acetone to dissolve superglue. Wrap the bowl with TP, soak it with remover, and cover it with foil to keep the acetone in contact with the superglue. Overnight should loosen any joints. Kreigh Hans Durstling wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of the large alabaster bowls I sent to Tucson broke in shipping and > in order to show it I glued it with superglue. The bowl in question is > back at home now and I need to gently undo those joints to restore it > properly. > > The technical challenge is that the bowl is big, about the size of a > half beachball, and the superglue joints are not tight. Even if I were > to swaddle it in aluminum foil and fill it with acetone this would > quickly leak out. The prospect of having two gallons of acetone leak > onto my floor is not an appealing one and Canadian winter makes it > problematical to do this - or anything else - outdoors. > > I understand that water will weaken a cyanoacrylate bond and hence have > the bowl submerged. However after 24 hours nothing useful has yet > happened. > > Is there perhaps a non-volatile dissolving agent I can paint onto the > joints? Or a reagent I can add to the water (maybe sodium hydroxide?) > that will reliably attack the cyanoacrylate? Any experience-based > recommendations will be seriously welcome. > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada From danielz at acmenet.net Sat Feb 25 20:16:28 2006 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Sat Feb 25 20:16:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Message-ID: <000301c63a8b$6a7d9cc0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Hi Hans, Kreigh's suggestion is a good one. There are two non-chemical means of breaking a superglue bond. One is vibration, the other is heat. Perhaps you could rig up a heat lamp to shine on the bowl and gradually bring its temperature up. In the summer simply leaving an object in the hot sun will often do the trick, although it may take a few days. -dan z- - - Protect your civil rights! Let the politicians know how you feel. Join or donate to the NRA today! http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 From tim at orerockon.com Sat Feb 25 20:16:51 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Feb 25 20:16:49 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225201638.03254b40@orerockon.com> Thank you! At 04:52 PM 2/25/2006, you wrote: >Hello, >I fly every week for work. Unfortunately, I have actually gotten to >know all of the airline restrictions as well as several TSA >employees very personally. You cannot take Estwing picks on >carry-on luggage. Any types of hammers or large tools are a big >no-no. However, you will have no problem checking them in. They >are definitely allowed and I have done it several times with rock >picks and similar tools. Just make sure you watch your bag go >through the bag scan (if the scanner isn't hidden) in case there are >any questions. The worst they will do is look through your bag, and >once they see the picks, they shouldn't do anything. The bag >scanners are used primarily for explosives, they don't typically >care about small tools and such. > >A more interesting question has to do with checking in or carrying >rocks on the plane. Back in the day, I used to bring lots of >minerals on the plane, including parts of my radioactive >collection. That doesn't happen anymore. >I have found that it really depends on what airport you are at and >how familiar the TSA is with the stuff. In Arizona, I have not had >any problems. When I tell them I'm a geologist that works at a >mine, they always say "oh, we've seen this lots of times." Other >airports have no clue. > >Andrew Turner >Victorville, CA Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sat Feb 25 21:15:15 2006 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Sat Feb 25 21:11:14 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <000301c63a8b$6a7d9cc0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Message-ID: Thanks fellows, No-one having offered a magic bullet I guess I will try the acetone wicking and foil covering. I will keep you posted of the results. (By the way if anyone would like a jpeg of the bowl in question email me off list. I'm quite proud of it). As far as heat goes, been there done that. My good friend Nicole one day decided it would look neat to have a loaf of bread rising out of one, for Saturday morning, at the local Farmers Market where I show my stuff. So she put in dough, put it in the oven, and (alas) forgot about it overnight. In the morning the bowl was in a dozen shards, the "bread" as black as steel mill coke and as hard as the alabaster itself. Cheers and thanks Hans in Moncton Canada ======== On Sunday, February 26, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Dan Z wrote: > Hi Hans, > > Kreigh's suggestion is a good one. There are two non-chemical means of > breaking a superglue bond. One is vibration, the other is heat. > Perhaps you > could rig up a heat lamp to shine on the bowl and gradually bring its > temperature up. In the summer simply leaving an object in the hot sun > will > often do the trick, although it may take a few days. > > -dan z- > > > - - > Protect your civil rights! > Let the politicians know how you feel. > Join or donate to the NRA today! > http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at MLCE.net Sat Feb 25 21:31:09 2006 From: john at MLCE.net (john) Date: Sat Feb 25 22:27:14 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <200602260028.k1Q0S8Xu065346@cti41.citenet.net> References: <200602260028.k1Q0S8Xu065346@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: > travel between the US and Canada all too often so here is my 2 >cents worth. In Checked baggage the main risk is that one of the ramp rats >(another name for the people who handle baggage and other tasks in the >bowels of the airport and aircraft) needs a hammer and it's gone. > > I'd say ship it UPS or USPS to Paul. The chances of survival are >higher and someone will take responsibility and pay off (if insured) when >they go missing. The biggest problem I have found is the trusty "It's the >other guy's fault" escape clause with Homeland Insecurity, the airline and >the airport playing a 3 way game. At least before it was the airline all the >way. > >Just my 2 cents >Kay > Others on a different list (jewelers) say UPS and USPS are both pretty bad. They recommend using DSL, which I have had terrible luck with in the states but we were very rural. The jewelers were importing gems and jewelry findings so to ship something to yourself may be different, but there is oftem a BIG duty and sales taxes on anything going into Canada from the US. Might ask the post office, DSL, UPS or the Canadian customs office (very good site on the WEB for all of the Canadian offices). Just a thought.. John Dach From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Sun Feb 26 02:59:41 2006 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Sun Feb 26 02:59:41 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200602261059.k1QAxXTJ071558@cti41.citenet.net> John, For the record between US and Canada I agree with you, I was under the impression this was within the US. I myself have posted on another list (Orchid) that I do consider what UPS Canada charges for "customs clearing is a rip off. For cross border I find the USPS (Especially their global priority service) or Fed-ex are the way to go. In reference to DHL I have only ever dealt with them once and the service was fine, but once is too little to base a recommendation pro or con on. Kay From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sun Feb 26 04:37:46 2006 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sun Feb 26 04:39:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report References: <4401228C.463@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4401A11A.FD371FE1@gmx.de> Thank you for the report. If you return you may think about the "softball+ sized chunk of Realgar that was turning into Orpiment, on exposure to light" and the label explaining the process. As far as I understand the result of light induced decay is not orpigment. At the moment I cannot find the reference (Graeser et al., about 1960 to 1970), but maybe someone else of the group can give it. Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany Kreigh Tomaszewski schrieb: > Today in Grand Rapids, MI it was sunny, with random snow flurries, and a > good breeze to make it feel colder than the 30 degrees on the > thermometer. It was a great day for a Club Field Trip. > > The Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club met in the parking lot of Calvin > College. We exchanged greetings and talked about the minerals we wanted > to see today. Everyone was in great spirits, and up for this rare winter > Field Trip. > > We got out of our cars and walked across the campus road to the Geology > Department of the College, in the basement of the North Science Hall. From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 07:30:26 2006 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Feb 26 07:30:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <200602260049.k1Q0nHcx065558@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: <20060226153026.7263.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In my experience, the TSA people are orders of magnitude more competent, efficient and helpful than the jerks the airlines had during the period between 911 and the formation of TSA- at least all the TSA people seem to be able to speak and read english. I can't generalize to all airports, but the differnce was very striking in the Chicago airports. Jim Daly > But then again a > blind person has to show more intelligence to > survive in our world than > those idiots who work for TSA... > > Rant over > Kay > > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rocknate at gmail.com Sun Feb 26 09:48:01 2006 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Sun Feb 26 09:48:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: Tim, I just returned from a vacation trip to California. I flew Southwest which allows 3 checked bags at 50 lbs each. I had one for clothes, one bag for my collecting tools (miner's pick, 4 lb hand sledge, carbide-tipped chisels, camping shovel, backpack, etc) and one bag for rocks. The tool and rock bags are old hard shell Sampsonite cases that I secure with the quick release webbing type straps that you can buy at any hardware store. I travel 3 or 4 times per year with my tools to collect. My bags always get checked by TSA and I have never lost anything. I clearly mark the bags as mineral collecting tools and geological reference specimens and carefully wrap the specimens and place them inside cardboard boxes so that nothing is loose. If I have really delicate or valuable specimens I put them in my carry-on luggage. If it is something like barite that the X-ray can't see through then it will get hand inspected but I simply politely ask the inspector to carefully handle the specimen. The main thing is to carefully weigh your bags and keep them under the weight limit specified by the airline. For a return trip I try to stay at a hotel that has a set of bathroom scales in their exercise room. I pack my bags the night before I am leaving and schlep them down to the exercise room to check their weight. I always stay a pound under the weight limit just to be safe. This works well for me. I hope the suggestions are helpful to you. Best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA P.S. - On this trip I got to collect at the Himilaya Mine in San Diego, CA, where I met some great people, had a good time dump digging and came home with some gemmy pink tourmaline and some interesting light green and colorless tourmaline matrix specimens. Rock tools - don't leave home without them! On 2/25/06, Tim Fisher wrote: > > Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are > there still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on > taking my large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to > give to Paul. Will they have a fit when these show up on the baggage > scan? Because I am replying to my own message, am I just asking > myself this question? > > At 07:54 AM 2/25/2006, I wrote: > >They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that > >much I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) > > > >At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > > > >>As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do > >>hear it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips > >>they have planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State > >>Park, and I really had a good time, hiking around there and doing > >>some collecting. Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming > >>has a superb and large display of agates, not only from the Deming > >>area but from all over, and is well worth seeing (it is for its > >>historical displays, too; it's a big museum). And, also worth a > >>stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate shop and museum, > >>located along the road leading to Rockhound State Park--it's a real > >>interesting experience! > >> > >>Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 26 10:44:32 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 26 10:42:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report References: <4401228C.463@Tomaszewski.net> <4401A11A.FD371FE1@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4401F675.384@Tomaszewski.net> Juergen, Perhaps you are thinking of the 'light induced alteration of realgar to pararealgar'. http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/arc/realgar.htm Kreigh Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: > > Thank you for the report. > If you return you may think about the "softball+ sized chunk of Realgar that > was turning into > Orpiment, on exposure to light" and the label explaining the process. As far > as I understand the result of light induced decay is not orpigment. At the > moment I cannot find the reference (Graeser et al., about 1960 to 1970), but > maybe someone else of the group can give it. > > Regards, > > J?rgen Wachsmuth > Ulm - Germany > > Kreigh Tomaszewski schrieb: > > > Today in Grand Rapids, MI it was sunny, with random snow flurries, and a > > good breeze to make it feel colder than the 30 degrees on the > > thermometer. It was a great day for a Club Field Trip. > > > > The Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club met in the parking lot of Calvin > > College. We exchanged greetings and talked about the minerals we wanted > > to see today. Everyone was in great spirits, and up for this rare winter > > Field Trip. > > > > We got out of our cars and walked across the campus road to the Geology > > Department of the College, in the basement of the North Science Hall. > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sun Feb 26 11:32:38 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sun Feb 26 11:32:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 Message-ID: <44020256.3000103@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone! I'm back! I've been away at the big Tucson show and have just finished my report. If you'd like to come along for the adventure, just click the link below and enjoy! All the very best everyone, take care, John http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mcrocks/vpost?id=949002&pid=8916316#post8916316 From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sun Feb 26 12:25:09 2006 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Feb 26 12:25:34 2006 Subject: ndRE: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <001701c63b12$be24f120$59d5c850@Rik> Hi Tim, I have transported hammers, chisels and gad-pry bars many times in my checked luggage, and that has never been a problem. Never try to take it as cabin luggage : ANY object that could possibly be used as a weapon is not allowed as cabin luggage. And that is not new at all : I had problems already back in 1992 on a flight from Brussels to Tenerife. I had a hammer, a chisel and a gad-pry bar in my backpack. At the security checkpoint I was sent back (which was in principle not possible, since officially I had left Belgium already; therefore I was accompanied by two police officers to the check-in desk, where my "dangerous" stuff was put in a plastic bag and checked in). It was waiting for me upon arrival on Tenerife. IMO a hammer (or any other tools) in checked luggage is OK, in cabin luggages NOK. Grts, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2006 - 6 and 7 May 2006 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:10 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? At 07:54 AM 2/25/2006, I wrote: >They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that >much I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) > >At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > >>As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do >>hear it is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips >>they have planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State >>Park, and I really had a good time, hiking around there and doing >>some collecting. Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming >>has a superb and large display of agates, not only from the Deming >>area but from all over, and is well worth seeing (it is for its >>historical displays, too; it's a big museum). And, also worth a >>stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate shop and museum, >>located along the road leading to Rockhound State Park--it's a real >>interesting experience! >> >>Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Feb 26 14:10:31 2006 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Feb 26 14:10:29 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mailing to Canada / Airline baggage restrictions References: <200602261059.k1QAxXTJ071558@cti41.citenet.net> Message-ID: <005801c63b21$75fca910$9495b2d1@TheBlackAdder> Kay, I agree with you on the "customs clearing" fee ripoff. Few seem to realise that if a parcel is just under 16 ounces (450 grams) the USPS does not require a customs declaration tag, so it goes in without a fee, though it may be inspected. I've air mailed dozens of padded envelopes and small packages to Canada, the UK and Australia up to 15.8 oz. in weight without customs hassles, and the parcel usually arrives in 4 to 8 days. A few years ago on the other hand, I sent an order of electronic components (about 12 ounces weight) to a customer in British Columbia, Canada by USPS Global Priority Mail, cost $9. at that time, and he didn't get it for 5 weeks, had to pay $26. duty on it. The parts were worth about $140. One bad experience doesn't tell much of a story, but I've never used Global Priority mail since, but really like the USPS's domestic Priority Mail service with a 50 cent additional fee for delivery confirmation which allows online tracking. Cheers, Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Davis" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions John, For the record between US and Canada I agree with you, I was under the impression this was within the US. I myself have posted on another list (Orchid) that I do consider what UPS Canada charges for "customs clearing is a rip off. For cross border I find the USPS (Especially their global priority service) or Fed-ex are the way to go. In reference to DHL I have only ever dealt with them once and the service was fine, but once is too little to base a recommendation pro or con on. Kay _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 15:28:23 2006 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Feb 26 15:28:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Checking luggage Message-ID: <20060226232823.18340.qmail@web34605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tim: You may have been talking to yourself, but I got the email anyways. I've not had a problem with checked luggage, after all , the hammers are just tools, and you can't get to them in a security area anyway. I did have my carry-on opened when they wanted to check the points on some nail scissors I had packed. I got to keep them, the tips weren't pointed enough to be dangerous, even to my toes, really. My wife had a rock in her carry-on coming back home recently, and they used the little swab on the zipper and handles of the bag to check for excessive levels of nitrates or whatever it is they look for to detect explosives. Fortunately we hadn't been hunting or shooting, and so didn't throw a positive reading. It was a little basalt with coral in the pits, and a worm case of some sort glued on. The rock, I mean. I was just glad it was her that had it!! So I think you'll be OK with tools in checked baggage. You can even check legal firearms to go on a hunting trip, but it is tougher than it used to be. My brother is a traveling hunter, is how I know about it, I gave it up years ago for rocks, which are less trouble to clean. Safer to hunt for, too, looks like! JR --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Gslrocks at aol.com Sun Feb 26 15:30:34 2006 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 26 15:30:44 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Message-ID: <29c.61a3cdf.3133941a@aol.com> I think putting it in Tupperware, an old coffee or paint can with a tight sealing lid even one of the 5 gallon buckets with a good sealing top. The acetone evaporates quickly and becomes an explosion hazard. When we make stars for our fireworks shells some are water based and left to dry. When we use parlon based stars you need acetone to dissolve the parlon "which is a chlorine donor for brighter colors" that is best done in a well ventilated shed or out in the open air. Never do that in a house where a stove, furnace, hot water heater, or a person who decides to have a cigarette might not realize the hazard and at the least blow your windows out! or start a fire. Greg Lesinski Greg Lesinski GSLROCKS 4726 Porter Center Rd. Lewiston NY 14092 Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books authorized distributor and reseller for Way Too Cool lamps website _www.gslrocks.com_ (http://www.gslrocks.com/) GSLROCKS@AOL.COM 716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Gslrocks at aol.com Sun Feb 26 16:32:29 2006 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 26 16:32:39 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Message-ID: <141.571d2dd2.3133a29d@aol.com> watch out some socks and towels have polyester etc in them that is soluble in acetone and could create a bigger problem! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Feb 26 17:18:40 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 26 17:18:48 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals Message-ID: <001c01c63b3b$be6de460$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Hello! I am developing an adult education class on minerals and crystals to be offered this fall. It will be science-based, no holistic stuff. I intend to make it as non-technical as possible. Since this group has members who have probably offered classes like this before, I am looking for samples of a syllabus or course outline on which to model my program. Fossil or general programs are easy, and while I don't have a problem writing about minerals, I could use a little help to plan the class content. I anticipate having one evening class per week for about a month, with one or two collecting trips. It will be offered through the local university. You can e-mail directly or through the group. Thanks! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From xossfs at yahoo.com Sun Feb 26 18:10:08 2006 From: xossfs at yahoo.com (Stephen Stover) Date: Sun Feb 26 18:10:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petosky stones in Michigan In-Reply-To: <2d9.3241cb6.3131ce75@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060227021008.73821.qmail@web33410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Recently, there was a thread about Petosky stones on the list. A person who had recently visited the area, stated that Petosky, MI was not the palce to collect but a town 10-20 miles south of there. I accidently deleted the email and my Dad would like the info. Could someone please forward me the informtion on this town. Thanks in advance, Stephen Stover Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From smtravis at plateautel.net Sun Feb 26 18:47:22 2006 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sun Feb 26 18:47:23 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? & Rockhound roundup References: Message-ID: <066001c63b48$228d7da0$259e5a40@marilyn> Usually thare are up to four different field trips one the most popular is to the clubs calim "Big Diggins" this is an agate claim ant they back hoe a large quantity of earth to make the digging easy and the finding fantastic. I have been to the deming show for the past 4 years and have really enjoyed the field trips every time. After saying this, the last two years Big Diggings was not opened due to rain and the rough road in. A second location is the Baker geode mine courtesy of the geode kid. The digging there is also lots of fun bring a shoves and a rock hammer but I recommend taking the geodes home and cutting them on a saw as seems like every time I bust one open it was the best of the lot and ended up in several small pieces. I found some blue opal in several last year. Then there are the red marble and the golden alabaster and chryocolla locations. The Deming show is a great show... some say the best in NM. I always enjoy the rock hounding and the show has lots of great material for good prices. By the way I will be set up there this year My first year as a dealer. But that is not the reason I am making such great comments about the show. In addition there are some great prices at the evening auctions. It's well worth the drive. Keep on rockin. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Johnston" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] is this correct? & Rockhound roundup > Thanks Kreigh. Someone sent me that link and I read it but never > looked to see where it was published. I didn't understand it either. > I'm a rockhound, not a geologist. > > As a rockhound I have a chance to go to the Rockhound Roundup in > Demming, NM about March 9 - 11. Has anybody on the list been? Is it a > good show? It will add about 500 miles to my trip but if it's > worthwhile ............!!! > > Grant > > On 2/22/06, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >> Grant, >> >> The paper assummes the creation story in the Bible as literal history, >> and that the great flood of Noah truely covered the entire Earth causing >> massive tectonic changes. A discussion of those assumptions does not >> belong on this List as religion and politics are avoided topics here. >> >> The evidenc > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Sun Feb 26 18:57:05 2006 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sun Feb 26 18:57:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions References: <022520060349.3862.43FFD3B200068FD000000F16216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net><7.0.0.16.2.20060225075309.035b0c10@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060225160630.03166398@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <06a301c63b49$7da36730$259e5a40@marilyn> I flew with a duffle bag checked through with rock hammer and chisles with no problem two weeks ago but don't forget that 50# limit. they will charge you for "over weight bags" Keep on rockin see you there Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Airline baggage restrictions > Now I got myself to thinking (I hate it when that happens!). Are there > still wacky restrictions on check-in luggage? I am planning on taking my > large and medium Estwing picks along with a few eggs to give to Paul. Will > they have a fit when these show up on the baggage scan? Because I am > replying to my own message, am I just asking myself this question? > > At 07:54 AM 2/25/2006, I wrote: >>They are going to the Baker Thunderegg Mine on Sunday March 12, that much >>I do know. I will be there mining with Paul from Sun-Wed ;) >> >>At 07:49 PM 2/24/2006, you wrote: >> >>>As to Deming, I'ver never been to the Rockhound Roundup, but I do hear it >>>is a pretty good show. And I don't know what field trips they have >>>planned around the show, but I've been to Rockhound State Park, and I >>>really had a good time, hiking around there and doing some collecting. >>>Also, the historic museum in the town of Deming has a superb and large >>>display of agates, not only from the Deming area but from all over, and >>>is well worth seeing (it is for its historical displays, too; it's a big >>>museum). And, also worth a stop and look is Paul "the Geode Kid"'s agate >>>shop and museum, located along the road leading to Rockhound State >>>Park--it's a real interesting experience! >>> >>>Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 26 19:01:19 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 26 18:57:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petosky stones in Michigan References: <20060227021008.73821.qmail@web33410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44026A9A.8A2@Tomaszewski.net> Stephen, For recent posts you can go to the List Archives and find things by month. http://lists.drizzle.com.pipermail/rockhounds For older posts it is easier to search on the List website because you can search by topic. http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/archives.cfm However, we are still loading all the archives into the search engine, so only 2003 and 2004 are currently available there. Kreigh Stephen Stover wrote: > > Recently, there was a thread about Petosky stones on > the list. A person who had recently visited the area, > stated that Petosky, MI was not the palce to collect > but a town 10-20 miles south of there. I accidently > deleted the email and my Dad would like the info. > Could someone please forward me the informtion on this > town. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stephen Stover > > Stephen F. Stover > PH (281) 829-1102 > xossfs@yahoo.com > > Wanting to hunt rocks > and play games every day! From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Feb 26 19:03:58 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 26 19:04:04 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <000301c63a8b$6a7d9cc0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Message-ID: Heat works...rear view mirrors fall off windshields in summer here. Glenn From: "Dan Z" <danielz@acmenet.net> Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> To: "Rockhound list danielz frm" <rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:16:28 -0500 >Hi Hans, > >Kreigh's suggestion is a good one. There are two non-chemical means of >breaking a superglue bond. One is vibration, the other is heat. Perhaps you >could rig up a heat lamp to shine on the bowl and gradually bring its >temperature up. In the summer simply leaving an object in the hot sun will >often do the trick, although it may take a few days. > >-dan z- > > >- - >Protect your civil rights! >Let the politicians know how you feel. >Join or donate to the NRA today! >http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Planning a trip for Spring Break? See the area before you go ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 26 19:15:37 2006 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 26 19:11:59 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals References: <001c01c63b3b$be6de460$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <44026DF3.1752@Tomaszewski.net> Alan, I did a search on Google for "class syllabus minerals and crystals -healing" and found 46,000 science based class outlines, without any of the 20,000 outlines that talk about healing. You may want to explore some of the results. Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > Hello! > > I am developing an adult education class on minerals and crystals to be offered this fall. It will be science-based, no holistic stuff. I intend to make it as non-technical as possible. Since this group has members who have probably offered classes like this before, I am looking for samples of a syllabus or course outline on which to model my program. Fossil or general programs are easy, and while I don't have a problem writing about minerals, I could use a little help to plan the class content. I anticipate having one evening class per week for about a month, with one or two collecting trips. It will be offered through the local university. You can e-mail directly or through the group. > > Thanks! > > Alan From Gslrocks at aol.com Sun Feb 26 20:22:50 2006 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 26 20:22:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 3 digs and the spring Franklin NJ show Message-ID: <7f.70128d71.3133d89a@aol.com> Spring is quickly approaching! and so is the Annual NJESA show in Franklin NJ. The dates for the show are April 29th and 30th 2006. This is one of the biggest shows in the Northeast! Featuring dealers inside and rows of dealers filling the school premises outside! Enterprising people who like to dig will come on Friday the 28th and dig at the Buckwheat dump and visit the Franklin Mineral Museum where you gain access to the dump during the day and also the rest of the weekend. Saturday is the Trotter dump day and also a NIGHT! dig for the fluorescent mineral aficionados.The trotter Dump is only open i time a year! There are over $2000.00 in door prizes being given away to adults and children participating on the dig! There are family museum passes to the local mineral museums( Franklin Mineral Museum and Sterling HIll / Warren Museum of fluorescence) and the Connecticut mining museum, UV lamps for young and old. Gift certificates, books and specimens from GREENLAND Connecticut and New York with more coming every day! ( if you would like to be a sponsor and get on our sponsor page contact me at _gslrocks@aol.com_ (mailto:gslrocks@aol.com) ). Sunday there is a dig at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum property they will also have a rock sale going on the premises all weekend. For more information about the dates and fees see _Trotter Dump Diggg 200_ (http://uvworld.org/) 6 registration can be by mail or by paypal. This weekend is one not to miss people come from all over our country and from far away countries to collect and see the sights and the show! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Feb 26 20:35:03 2006 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 26 20:35:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 In-Reply-To: <44020256.3000103@tenforward.com> Message-ID: AUSOME!!!! Glenn From: John and Gloria Cornish <j&gcornish@tenforward.com> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:38 -0800 >Hi Everyone! > >I'm back! I've been away at the big Tucson show and have just >finished my report. If you'd like to come along for the adventure, >just click the link below and enjoy! All the very best everyone, >take care, > >John > >http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mcrocks/vpost?id=949002&pid=8916316#post8916316 ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find flowers, candy and directions to a romantic restaurant with Windows Live Local ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Feb 26 20:43:50 2006 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Feb 26 20:44:03 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petosky stones in Michigan Message-ID: <44028386.7040703@rcn.com> May 27 Petoskey Stone Festival, 10 a.m.-4 p.m. Free. See http://www.antrimcounty.org/ or for information, Linda Gallagher, lindag10@hotmail.com . At Antrim County's Barnes Park, Eastport, MI. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Rockhounds] Petosky stones in Michigan Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:10:08 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Stover Reply-To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Recently, there was a thread about Petosky stones on the list. A person who had recently visited the area, stated that Petosky, MI was not the palce to collect but a town 10-20 miles south of there. I accidently deleted the email and my Dad would like the info. Could someone please forward me the informtion on this town. Thanks in advance, Stephen Stover Stephen F. Stover PH (281) 829-1102 xossfs@yahoo.com Wanting to hunt rocks and play games every day! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tfa at brickengraver.com Sun Feb 26 21:08:30 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Sun Feb 26 21:08:26 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003101c63b5b$d9f20f20$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Now that's what I call a show report! Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 http://www.brickengraver.com ...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. Walker Percy Signposts in a Strange Land -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:35 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 AUSOME!!!! Glenn From: John and Gloria Cornish <j&gcornish@tenforward.com> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:38 -0800 >Hi Everyone! > >I'm back! I've been away at the big Tucson show and have just >finished my report. If you'd like to come along for the adventure, >just click the link below and enjoy! All the very best everyone, >take care, > >John > >http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mcrocks/vpost?id=949002&pid= 8916316#post8916316 ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Find flowers, candy and directions to a romantic restaurant with Windows Live Local ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Bobslgn at aol.com Sun Feb 26 22:09:36 2006 From: Bobslgn at aol.com (Bobslgn@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 26 22:09:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Superglue and Acetone Message-ID: <27c.647e6b0.3133f1a0@aol.com> Acetone and Super Glue I must emphatically support Greg Lesinski?s comments about use of a closed container and the risk of fire and explosion with acetone. I am an Environmental Engineer for a company, which applies coatings to steel products. We had a clever individual, who thought it would be a good idea to put acetone in a parts washer. An employee was seriously injured. I would place the item in a 3 to 5 gallon poly pail with a tight fitting lid. Cover the piece with a worn out cotton shirt or similar white cotton rags. Saturate the cloth with acetone and place on the lid. Leave 24 hrs. Remember when you remove the item it will be saturated with acetone and will off gas for some time, keep the separated pieces it in a well ventilated area for another 24 hrs. or so. Bob Bennett Old Rockhound Modesto, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:18:34 -0400 >From: Hans Durstling <_sinico@nbnet.nb.ca_ (mailto:sinico@nbnet.nb.ca) > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue >To: "_Rockhounds@drizzle.com_ (mailto:Rockhounds@drizzle.com) : A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" <_rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com_ (mailto:rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) > >Message-ID: <_2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca_ (mailto:2FF25A02-A66E-11DA-91C9-0030658C1712@nbnet.nb.ca) > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >Hi all, >One of the large alabaster bowls I sent to Tucson broke in shipping and >in order to show it I glued it with superglue. The bowl in question is >back at home now and I need to gently undo those joints to restore it >properly. >The technical challenge is that the bowl is big, about the size of a >half beachball, and the superglue joints are not tight. Even if I were >to swaddle it in aluminum foil and fill it with acetone this would >quickly leak out. The prospect of having two gallons of acetone leak >onto my floor is not an appealing one and Canadian winter makes it >problematical to do this - or anything else - outdoors. >I understand that water will weaken a cyanoacrylate bond and hence have >the bowl submerged. However after 24 hours nothing useful has yet >happened. >Is there perhaps a non-volatile dissolving agent I can paint onto the >joints? Or a reagent I can add to the water (maybe sodium hydroxide?) >that will reliably attack the cyanoacrylate? Any experience-based >recommendations will be seriously welcome. >Cheers, >Hans Durstling >Moncton, Canada >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:30:34 EST >From: _Gslrocks@aol.com_ (mailto:Gslrocks@aol.com) >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue >To: _rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com_ (mailto:rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) >Message-ID: <_29c.61a3cdf.3133941a@aol.com_ (mailto:29c.61a3cdf.3133941a@aol.com) > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I think putting it in Tupperware, an old coffee or paint can with a tight >sealing lid even one of the 5 gallon buckets with a good sealing top. The >acetone evaporates quickly and becomes an explosion hazard. When we make stars for >our fireworks shells some are water based and left to dry. When we use >parlon based stars you need acetone to dissolve the parlon "which is a chlorine >donor for brighter colors" that is best done in a well ventilated shed or out >in the open air. Never do that in a house where a stove, furnace, hot water >heater, or a person who decides to have a cigarette might not realize the >hazard and at the least blow your windows out! or start a fire. >Greg Lesinski >Greg Lesinski >GSLROCKS >4726 Porter Center Rd. >Lewiston NY >14092 >Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books >authorized distributor and reseller for Way Too Cool lamps >website _www.gslrocks.com_ (_http://www.gslrocks.com/_ (http://www.gslrocks.com/) ) >GSLROCKS@AOL.COM >716-754-9729 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Bobslgn at aol.com Sun Feb 26 22:18:21 2006 From: Bobslgn at aol.com (Bobslgn@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 26 22:18:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Commerical Value Black Jade Message-ID: <157.603e4ea6.3133f3ad@aol.com> Dear List, After my trip report on jade collecting, I sent the story to some friends off list. I got an inquiry from another individual, not a list member. He would like to know if there is enough commercial value to California Black Jade to file a claim and wanted some suggestions about how it might be marketed. I am hoping that someone on the list can make some comments. Thanks, Bob Bennett Old Rockhound Modesto, California. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pjmodreski at att.net Sun Feb 26 22:23:42 2006 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sun Feb 26 22:23:45 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] List archive (Petosky Stones) Message-ID: <022720060623.7006.44029AEE00031EAC00001B5E216037631607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Kreigh, Did you type that url wrong somewhere, it does not work to access the list archives. -------------- Original message from Kreigh Tomaszewski : -------------- > Stephen, > > For recent posts you can go to the List Archives and find things by > month. > > http://lists.drizzle.com.pipermail/rockhounds > > For older posts it is easier to search on the List website because you > can search by topic. > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/archives.cfm > > However, we are still loading all the archives into the search engine, > so only 2003 and 2004 are currently available there. > > Kreigh > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From afox at panix.com Sun Feb 26 22:53:17 2006 From: afox at panix.com (Aaron Fox) Date: Sun Feb 26 22:53:24 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] List archive (Petosky Stones) In-Reply-To: <022720060623.7006.44029AEE00031EAC00001B5E216037631607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <022720060623.7006.44029AEE00031EAC00001B5E216037631607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: > Kreigh, > > Did you type that url wrong somewhere, it does not work to access the list archives. >> >> http://lists.drizzle.com.pipermail/rockhounds Should be: http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds Danged wandering periods. a. -- afox at panix dot com || http://www.panix.com/~afox Go: It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye... From info at wisdomofstones.com Sun Feb 26 23:22:04 2006 From: info at wisdomofstones.com (Wisdom of Stones) Date: Sun Feb 26 23:21:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals In-Reply-To: <001c01c63b3b$be6de460$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: I wouldn't mind receiving copies of these as well. I'll also look online for you Alan, as I think the class is a good idea. What state are you in? jennifer -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:19 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals Hello! I am developing an adult education class on minerals and crystals to be offered this fall. It will be science-based, no holistic stuff. I intend to make it as non-technical as possible. Since this group has members who have probably offered classes like this before, I am looking for samples of a syllabus or course outline on which to model my program. Fossil or general programs are easy, and while I don't have a problem writing about minerals, I could use a little help to plan the class content. I anticipate having one evening class per week for about a month, with one or two collecting trips. It will be offered through the local university. You can e-mail directly or through the group. Thanks! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tim at orerockon.com Mon Feb 27 01:04:32 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 27 01:04:33 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Commerical Value Black Jade In-Reply-To: <157.603e4ea6.3133f3ad@aol.com> References: <157.603e4ea6.3133f3ad@aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060227005931.032b36b0@orerockon.com> IMHO, no nephrite jade has enough value to be worth claiming with profit in mind, unless you want to compete with the big jade producers overseas and in BC. Which means you are probably going to be selling by the container-load to overseas or Mexican carving shops. One of the BC jade mines up the Fraser sells by the train car load :) At 10:18 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >Dear List, >After my trip report on jade collecting, I sent the story to some friends >off list. I got an inquiry from another individual, not a list member. He >would like to know if there is enough commercial value >to California Black Jade >to file a claim and wanted some suggestions about how it might be marketed. >I am hoping that someone on the list can make some comments. >Thanks, >Bob Bennett >Old Rockhound >Modesto, California. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From libawc at emory.edu Mon Feb 27 05:11:48 2006 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Mon Feb 27 05:11:58 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals In-Reply-To: <001c01c63b3b$be6de460$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <003d01c63b9f$5ddfba60$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Hi Alan: Do a Google search for "Pamela Gore". She's a geology professor here in Atlanta. I've taken classes from her, and much of her material is available online. Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:19 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals Hello! I am developing an adult education class on minerals and crystals to be offered this fall. It will be science-based, no holistic stuff. I intend to make it as non-technical as possible. Since this group has members who have probably offered classes like this before, I am looking for samples of a syllabus or course outline on which to model my program. Fossil or general programs are easy, and while I don't have a problem writing about minerals, I could use a little help to plan the class content. I anticipate having one evening class per week for about a month, with one or two collecting trips. It will be offered through the local university. You can e-mail directly or through the group. Thanks! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From silverado at frontiernet.net Mon Feb 27 04:21:56 2006 From: silverado at frontiernet.net (Gail) Date: Mon Feb 27 05:22:10 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue References: <29c.61a3cdf.3133941a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101c63b98$69780960$3fcb3243@gail7diqufk9xy> Have you tried vinegar? It takes awhile longer but it can work. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue >I think putting it in Tupperware, an old coffee or paint can with a tight > sealing lid even one of the 5 gallon buckets with a good sealing top. The > acetone evaporates quickly and becomes an explosion hazard. When we make > stars for > our fireworks shells some are water based and left to dry. When we use > parlon based stars you need acetone to dissolve the parlon "which is a > chlorine > donor for brighter colors" that is best done in a well ventilated shed or > out > in the open air. Never do that in a house where a stove, furnace, hot > water > heater, or a person who decides to have a cigarette might not realize the > hazard and at the least blow your windows out! or start a fire. > Greg Lesinski > > Greg Lesinski > GSLROCKS > 4726 Porter Center Rd. > Lewiston NY > 14092 > Fluorescent minerals, ultraviolet lamps and reference books > authorized distributor and reseller for Way Too Cool lamps > website _www.gslrocks.com_ (http://www.gslrocks.com/) > GSLROCKS@AOL.COM > 716-754-9729 > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From silverado at frontiernet.net Mon Feb 27 04:25:58 2006 From: silverado at frontiernet.net (Gail) Date: Mon Feb 27 05:26:08 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue References: Message-ID: <002f01c63b98$f9333bb0$3fcb3243@gail7diqufk9xy> Try vinegar, cider or regular, it has worked for me. I have used it for many work related issues and find it has the quality to fight glue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Durstling" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue > Thanks fellows, > > No-one having offered a magic bullet I guess I will try the acetone > wicking and foil covering. I will keep you posted of the results. (By the > way if anyone would like a jpeg of the bowl in question email me off list. > I'm quite proud of it). > > As far as heat goes, been there done that. My good friend Nicole one day > decided it would look neat to have a loaf of bread rising out of one, for > Saturday morning, at the local Farmers Market where I show my stuff. So > she put in dough, put it in the oven, and (alas) forgot about it > overnight. In the morning the bowl was in a dozen shards, the "bread" as > black as steel mill coke and as hard as the alabaster itself. > > Cheers and thanks > Hans in Moncton Canada > > ======== > > On Sunday, February 26, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Dan Z wrote: > >> Hi Hans, >> >> Kreigh's suggestion is a good one. There are two non-chemical means of >> breaking a superglue bond. One is vibration, the other is heat. Perhaps >> you >> could rig up a heat lamp to shine on the bowl and gradually bring its >> temperature up. In the summer simply leaving an object in the hot sun >> will >> often do the trick, although it may take a few days. >> >> -dan z- >> >> >> - - >> Protect your civil rights! >> Let the politicians know how you feel. >> Join or donate to the NRA today! >> http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From rocks4u at prodigy.net Mon Feb 27 08:13:48 2006 From: rocks4u at prodigy.net (rocks4u@prodigy.net) Date: Mon Feb 27 08:19:42 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Commerical Value Black Jade References: <157.603e4ea6.3133f3ad@aol.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20060227005931.032b36b0@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <001501c63bb8$cb11a3f0$8d27fea9@WesMedion1918> I'm in total agreement with Tim on this one. It would be a good idea to check with the local government regulators (especially in California) such as the BLM to see what the overhead would be to start such a project. I believe you would be discouraged rather quickly. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Commerical Value Black Jade > IMHO, no nephrite jade has enough value to be worth claiming with profit > in mind, unless you want to compete with the big jade producers overseas > and in BC. Which means you are probably going to be selling by the > container-load to overseas or Mexican carving shops. One of the BC jade > mines up the Fraser sells by the train car load :) > > At 10:18 PM 2/26/2006, you wrote: >>Dear List, >>After my trip report on jade collecting, I sent the story to some friends >>off list. I got an inquiry from another individual, not a list member. >>He >>would like to know if there is enough commercial value to California >>Black Jade >>to file a claim and wanted some suggestions about how it might be >>marketed. >>I am hoping that someone on the list can make some comments. >>Thanks, >>Bob Bennett >>Old Rockhound >>Modesto, California. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From tfa at brickengraver.com Mon Feb 27 08:38:59 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Feb 27 08:38:55 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <002f01c63b98$f9333bb0$3fcb3243@gail7diqufk9xy> Message-ID: <004001c63bbc$4fdd9550$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Actually MEK might work better than acetone. You can buy it at the paint store--in the old days it was what was used for fingernail polish remover--they now use acetone- or have a non acetone formula which actually might work well. Tommy Armstrong PO Box 484 Lillington, NC 27546 http://www.brickengraver.com "Science is extraordinarily stupid about people as people and the consequence of this stupidity is going to do us all in if we don't do something about it" Walker Percy -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gail Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:26 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Try vinegar, cider or regular, it has worked for me. I have used it for many work related issues and find it has the quality to fight glue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Durstling" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue > Thanks fellows, > > No-one having offered a magic bullet I guess I will try the acetone > wicking and foil covering. I will keep you posted of the results. (By > the way if anyone would like a jpeg of the bowl in question email me off list. > I'm quite proud of it). > > As far as heat goes, been there done that. My good friend Nicole one > day decided it would look neat to have a loaf of bread rising out of > one, for Saturday morning, at the local Farmers Market where I show my > stuff. So she put in dough, put it in the oven, and (alas) forgot > about it overnight. In the morning the bowl was in a dozen shards, the > "bread" as black as steel mill coke and as hard as the alabaster itself. > > Cheers and thanks > Hans in Moncton Canada > > ======== > > On Sunday, February 26, 2006, at 12:16 AM, Dan Z wrote: > >> Hi Hans, >> >> Kreigh's suggestion is a good one. There are two non-chemical means >> of breaking a superglue bond. One is vibration, the other is heat. >> Perhaps you could rig up a heat lamp to shine on the bowl and >> gradually bring its temperature up. In the summer simply leaving an >> object in the hot sun will often do the trick, although it may take a >> few days. >> >> -dan z- >> >> >> - - >> Protect your civil rights! >> Let the politicians know how you feel. >> Join or donate to the NRA today! >> http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tim at orerockon.com Mon Feb 27 09:38:01 2006 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Feb 27 09:37:57 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <004001c63bbc$4fdd9550$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> References: <002f01c63b98$f9333bb0$3fcb3243@gail7diqufk9xy> <004001c63bbc$4fdd9550$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060227093556.035cfec0@orerockon.com> I can't believe no one mentioned cyanoacrylate debonder. I use it and it WORKS, no pails, no wet towels, no explosions, no MEK (that is NASTY stuff lol). http://www.palmlabsadhesives.com/cyanoacrylate-de-bonder.htm Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From tfa at brickengraver.com Mon Feb 27 09:48:22 2006 From: tfa at brickengraver.com (Tommy Armstrong) Date: Mon Feb 27 09:48:16 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060227093556.035cfec0@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <004701c63bc6$00a00bd0$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Well that does seem to be the solution, Tim--where do you get it? -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:38 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue I can't believe no one mentioned cyanoacrylate debonder. I use it and it WORKS, no pails, no wet towels, no explosions, no MEK (that is NASTY stuff lol). http://www.palmlabsadhesives.com/cyanoacrylate-de-bonder.htm Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From danielz at acmenet.net Mon Feb 27 09:56:21 2006 From: danielz at acmenet.net (Dan Z) Date: Mon Feb 27 09:56:30 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Message-ID: <000301c63bc7$1df4c8f0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> >I can't believe no one mentioned cyanoacrylate debonder. That is also known as nitro-methane, the same stuff used as fuel in top fuel dragsters and funny cars. Any race tracks or race car owners nearby? It is available in small quantities from Johnson Brothers dealers. (http://www.jbfc.com/) -dan z- - - Protect your civil rights! Let the politicians know how you feel. Join or donate to the NRA today! http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 From leaninj at ev1.net Mon Feb 27 10:24:50 2006 From: leaninj at ev1.net (Jimmie Holley) Date: Mon Feb 27 10:37:07 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue References: <004701c63bc6$00a00bd0$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <000901c63bcb$19a4d2f0$62ccdacf@jimmiespavilion> you can get it.1-800-964-6660, or at e-mail info@palmlabsadhevsives.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Armstrong" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue Well that does seem to be the solution, Tim--where do you get it? -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:38 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue I can't believe no one mentioned cyanoacrylate debonder. I use it and it WORKS, no pails, no wet towels, no explosions, no MEK (that is NASTY stuff lol). http://www.palmlabsadhesives.com/cyanoacrylate-de-bonder.htm Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rockhound at btinternet.com Mon Feb 27 11:04:53 2006 From: rockhound at btinternet.com (Neil A) Date: Mon Feb 27 11:05:25 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Fossil Seizure at Tucson Message-ID: FYI -----Original Message----- From: Becky Pallack [mailto:bpallack@azstarnet.com] Sent: 27 February 2006 15:38 To: Neil A Cc: letters@pegasus.azstarnet.com Subject: Re: Fossil Seizure at Tucson Neil, I am forwarding your note to our editorial section in case they want to use it as a letter to the editor. Thanks for your feedback, Becky Pallack reporter Arizona Daily Star (520) 629-9412 desk (520) 954-2492 cell (520) 573-4249 fax bpallack@azstarnet.com www.azstarnet.com On Feb 24, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Neil A wrote: > Becky > > I have read your article on the fossil seizure at Tucson with some > interest > and dismay. There is a white market for fossil sales, and not all > countries > have bans on excavation and sales of fossils, indeed there are two > fossil > quarries allowed in the vertebrate fish beds in the USA that I am > aware of. > If the fossils were on sale at $1400 then that is their market > value, as the > sale at market is what determines a market value, not the opinion of a > scientist, who historically is personally opposed to the open sale and > amateur collecting of the items he wishes to excavate and hoard > himself into > his museum. > > There was a government working party into protecting the cliffs of > Lyme > Regis from the dangerous hammers of amateur fossil collectors which > was > eventually declared a waste of energy as a storm promptly took 100 > foot of > cliff and priceless fossils into the sea never to be seen again. > Anything > not collected by the wider fraternity of amateurs, and traded on > the open > market will in the long term be returned to the obscurity of dust. > It is my > belief that museums are not prepared to pay open market prices for > these > items that they have managed to convince governments that these > items should > be there only for museums to tinker with. > > As a non-american citizen of the world, I know you are likely to > ignore this > plea, but a more balanced approach to this report and less > sensationalism > would have given the whole affair more credence in the eyes of the > numerous > collectors of the earth's treasures worldwide. > > Regards > > Neil Auty > Amateur Collector > Professional Mining Engineer > > From Gslrocks at aol.com Sun Feb 26 20:14:28 2006 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 27 11:15:50 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] 3 digs and show notice! Message-ID: <243.79d56ab.3133d6a4@aol.com> Spring is quickly approaching! and so is the Annual NJESA show in Franklin NJ. The dates for the show are April 29th and 30th 2006. This is one of the biggest shows in the Northeast! Featuring dealers inside and rows of dealers filling the school premises outside! Enterprising people who like to dig will come on Friday the 28th and dig at the Buckwheat dump and visit the Franklin Mineral Museum where you gain access to the dump during the day and also the rest of the weekend. Saturday is the Trotter dump day and also a NIGHT! dig for the fluorescent mineral aficionados.The trotter Dump is only open i time a year! There are over $2000.00 in door prizes being given away to adults and children participating on the dig! There are family museum passes to the local mineral museums( Franklin Mineral Museum and Sterling HIll / Warren Museum of fluorescence) and the Connecticut mining museum, UV lamps for young and old. Gift certificates, books and specimens from GREENLAND Connecticut and New York with more coming every day! ( if you would like to be a sponsor and get on our sponsor page contact me at _gslrocks@aol.com_ (mailto:gslrocks@aol.com) ). Sunday there is a dig at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum property they will also have a rock sale going on the premises all weekend. For more information about the dates and fees see _Trotter Dump Diggg 200_ (http://uvworld.org/) 6 registration can be by mail or by paypal. This weekend is one not to miss people come from all over our country and from far away countries to collect and see the sights and the show! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Feb 27 16:06:06 2006 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Feb 27 16:06:37 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [micromounts] Winter Micromounter's Gathering In-Reply-To: <009601c63b30$d71b5700$a81e9746@c3> References: <20060214020651.54496.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> <020001c63116$7611fe10$6501a8c0@nathan6bc9e375> <009601c63b30$d71b5700$a81e9746@c3> Message-ID: <440393EE.3030900@ptd.net> Henry Barwood wrote: > The 5th Annual Winter Micromounter's Gathering was held over the > weekend at > the Advent Christian Village at Dowling Park, Florida. For those of > you not > familiar with this event, it was originated and hosted by Ed and Martha > Cunningham, and is an outstanding meeting for anyone interested in > minerals > or mineral collecting. The atmosphere is very relaxed and there is > abundant > food and drink between sessions! For those of you who missed it, plan to > attend next year (The theme will be lesser known mineral locations of the > Southeast!). > > This year's presentations were: Alkaline Rocks of the World (Mt. Ste. > Hilaire, Greenland etc.) by Julian Gray, Lithologic Associations of > Minerals > at Granite Mountain and the Southeastern Rim of Magnet Cove by Henry > Barwood, Minerals of Mt. Ste. Hilaire by Bill Lechner, Mineral > Photomicrographs by Earl English and "Around the World in 80 Minerals" by > Jason Smith. There was lots of mineral swapping, and a huge table of > really > nice give-aways (where else can you pick up specimens of burbankite and > tuperssuatsiaite for free!). Henry and Bill handed out lists of > minerals and > print-outs of their talks and Both Julian and Bill had a table with > selected > literature on alkaline rock mineral localities that was top notch! > > > > > To unsubscribe, view photos, or use the archives, visit the group's > home page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/micromounts > > WOW!!!! I am so glad that this has become such a great event for you!!! I tried to do something very similar up here in PA. and the only thing I had a stipulation on was no on premises selling. That seemed to be a real damper for enthusiasm.... go figure..... BUT;;; it was my first attempt, and those who attended thought that their swaps/trades and newly acquired specimens were just the ticket to remediation of mid winter blahs...... Dennis Buffenmyer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Feb 27 16:16:50 2006 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Feb 27 16:17:06 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Help Undoing Superglue In-Reply-To: <000301c63bc7$1df4c8f0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> References: <000301c63bc7$1df4c8f0$6401a8c0@M1Garand> Message-ID: <44039672.1020905@ptd.net> Just a thought and possibly another solution... nitro methane is used in R/C ( radio controlled) gas powered planes and cars etc... perhaps a local hobby shop would have a mixture available.... Dan Z wrote: >>I can't believe no one mentioned cyanoacrylate debonder. >> >> > >That is also known as nitro-methane, the same stuff used as fuel in top fuel >dragsters and funny cars. Any race tracks or race car owners nearby? > >It is available in small quantities from Johnson Brothers dealers. >(http://www.jbfc.com/) > >-dan z- > >- - >Protect your civil rights! >Let the politicians know how you feel. >Join or donate to the NRA today! >http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887 > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com Mon Feb 27 21:49:47 2006 From: webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com (Sal) Date: Mon Feb 27 21:49:53 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Petosky Stones Message-ID: <004201c63c2a$c94fa1d0$3a010143@freedom> Fredrick -- I used to find some beautiful Petosky stones in the Tawas area -- just stroll down whatever beaches are still public and they are just lying on the beach now and again. You can get them other than by the water in that area as well -- but the ones on the beach are a bit water polished already and very distinctive. It's great up there in the summer, too -- you'll enjoy yourself. Sal Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet2 at mchsi.com Tue Feb 28 08:58:09 2006 From: geenet2 at mchsi.com (geenet2@mchsi.com) Date: Tue Feb 28 09:14:05 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Petosky Stones Message-ID: <022820061658.26047.44048121000DDA5C000065BF219791280203010CD2079C080C03BFCD9B0A020A0A09@mchsi.com> Hey, would any of the listers in the Petosky stone area want to send one to me? I keep hearing about them, and haven't seen one at any of the shows I've been to. I guess I could try Ebay, but if anyone has a surplus or easy access to some, give me a holler and we'll work out the details on shipping, handling etc. Jeanette L. A. (lower Alabama) somewhat stone challenged unless you like sandstone. From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Feb 28 09:15:16 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Feb 28 09:15:19 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 In-Reply-To: <003101c63b5b$d9f20f20$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> References: <003101c63b5b$d9f20f20$6801a8c0@compaqupstairs> Message-ID: <44048524.9020506@tenforward.com> Hi Tommy, Glenn and Everyone, Thank you for the kind words, I very much appreciate it! All the very best, John Tommy Armstrong wrote: >Now that's what I call a show report! > >Tommy Armstrong >PO Box 484 >Lillington, NC 27546 >http://www.brickengraver.com > >...with the method of science one beholds what is generally true about >individuals, but art beholds what is uniquely true. > >Walker Percy >Signposts in a Strange Land > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:35 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 > >AUSOME!!!! > > > > >Glenn > > > >From: John and Gloria Cornish <j&gcornish@tenforward.com> >To: >"Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors"<rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > >Subject: >[Rockhounds] Tucson, 2006 > >Date: >Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:38 -0800 > >>Hi Everyone! >> >>I'm back! I've been away at the big Tucson show and have just >>finished my report. If you'd like to come along for the adventure, >>just click the link below and enjoy! All the very best everyone, >>take care, > >John > >>http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mcrocks/vpost?id=949002&pid= >8916316#post8916316 > > > > > >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ >Find flowers, candy and directions to a romantic restaurant with Windows >Live Local >------------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------------ > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- >converted) >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Feb 28 09:31:12 2006 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Feb 28 09:31:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals In-Reply-To: <003d01c63b9f$5ddfba60$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> References: <003d01c63b9f$5ddfba60$14bf8caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <440488E0.7080708@tenforward.com> Hi Anita, Thank you for the link! There was some info I was looking for and I found it covered very nicely by Pamela by doing a search as you suggested. Have a great day, John Anita D. Westlake wrote: >Hi Alan: > Do a Google search for "Pamela Gore". She's a geology professor here in >Atlanta. I've taken classes from her, and much of her material is available >online. > >Anita > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 8:19 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals > >Hello! > >I am developing an adult education class on minerals and crystals to be >offered this fall. It will be science-based, no holistic stuff. I intend to >make it as non-technical as possible. Since this group has members who have >probably offered classes like this before, I am looking for samples of a >syllabus or course outline on which to model my program. Fossil or general >programs are easy, and while I don't have a problem writing about minerals, >I could use a little help to plan the class content. I anticipate having one >evening class per week for about a month, with one or two collecting trips. >It will be offered through the local university. You can e-mail directly or >through the group. > >Thanks! > >Alan > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > From smtravis at plateautel.net Tue Feb 28 16:42:00 2006 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Tue Feb 28 16:42:03 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] Slab polishing help References: <000001c63996$e6963880$6501a8c0@your6jnhhu0520> Message-ID: <011001c63cc8$f3dc3aa0$259e5a40@marilyn> What size and thickness do you want to polish the comercial polishers of large petyrified wood use much different machines that 3 to 6" brazilians in addition how much or how many slabbs do you plan to polish a month? these things greatly effect the equipment you sould use. respond and I will describe possibilities and dealers. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Massey" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Slab polishing help > I have recently got back into my old hobby from 30 years ago. I want > to buy a polishing machine for flat slabs. What do people think is the > best way to go? Vibrating flat lap and what brand, or one of the > rotating machines. Where can I buy a good used machine? > Thanks for your help. > > Pat Massey > Isellwood@patmedia.net > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Feb 28 19:52:03 2006 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Feb 28 19:52:15 2006 Subject: [Rockhounds] class on minerals References: <5E3F83B6-A749-11DA-A0ED-000A95773806@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <007801c63ce3$80b55cd0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I've looked at some web sites and found that those geared for upper elementary to middle school better meet the needs for a continuing education class than those of college level. From experience I know that most people curious about minerals and collecting could care less about Miller indices and atomic bonding. Of course, I find that most adult ed students are "kid's at heart" anyway. Once the outline is developed, I will be happy to share it. A couple of useful web sites for my class (so far) include: http://school.discovery.com/lessonplans/programs/strongchemistry/ http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/vwlessons/minerals.html http://www.sdnhm.org/kids/minerals/howto-form.html Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol J. Bova" To: "Alan Goldstein" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] class on minerals > Hi Alan, > Since you're only going to have about four classroom sessions with one or > two collecting trips, maybe you could start with an introductory overview, > and then focus the next sessions based on what is available on the trips. > That way the hands-on would anchor the class input. > > If you google on introduction to minerals and crystals you can get sites > like this: > http://www.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/geo101/mineral.htm > http://www.visionlearning.com/library/module_viewer.php?mid=119&l=&c3= > http://www.smv.org/prog/xtaldsc.htm > > syllabus, intro to minerals gets a nice listing of sites... like: > www.emporia.edu/earthsci/amber/go336/syllabus.htm this page has a good > selection of links that may be useful as well. > > Please let us know how it turns out. > Carol > > > On Sunday, February 26, 2006, at 08:18 PM, Alan Goldstein wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I am developing an adult education class on minerals and crystals to be >> offered this fall. It will be science-based, no holistic stuff. I intend >> to make it as non-technical as possible. Since this group has members who >> have probably offered classes like this before, I am looking for samples >> of a syllabus or course outline on which to model my program. Fossil or >> general programs are easy, and while I don't have a problem writing about >> minerals, I could use a little help to plan the class content. I >> anticipate having one evening class per week for about a month, with one >> or two collecting trips. It will be offered through the local university. >> You can e-mail directly or through the group. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alan >