From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 06:51:37 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Feb 1 06:51:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel Channel show In-Reply-To: <000001c74494$81d3d2e0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <20070201145137.70396.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Earl, I'd also like to get a copy for my club if possible (either DVD or tape). Please let me know if you can, and cost. Thanks, Jim Daly sauktown1@yahoo.com "Earl R. Verbeek" wrote: Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: Earl, I have just returned from a lenghty business stay in Chicago and had asked my wife and son to record this show.... what I got was a show on gold panning in california. Not bad in its own right but really wanted to see the segment on Sterling Hill. Do you know of any way to view this?? ----------------------------------- Hello Dennis (and list), I don't know when or if this particular show will air again, and I doubt we'd receive any special notification of it. Here at the museum we have a borrowed DVD that we will attempt to copy, plus a couple of friends have recorded the show on tape, so I suppose we could copy one of those too. That's all I know at the moment . . . The segment on gold panning was the second half-hour of the show. Sterling Hill was on the first half-hour. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Feb 1 07:22:03 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Feb 1 07:22:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel Channel show In-Reply-To: <20070201145137.70396.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000001c74494$81d3d2e0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <20070201145137.70396.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:51:37 -0800 (PST), Jim Daly wrote: >Earl, > I'd also like to get a copy for my club if possible (either DVD or tape). > Please let me know if you can, and cost. > Thanks, > Jim Daly > sauktown1@yahoo.com > Earl may not be at liberty to distribute this. I would expect that the copyright belongs to the TV people. In fact, they might have professionally done copies for sale. > >"Earl R. Verbeek" wrote: > > >Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > > > >Earl, > >I have just returned from a lenghty business stay in Chicago and had > >asked my wife and son to record this show.... > >what I got was a show on gold panning in california. Not bad in its own > >right but really wanted to see the segment on Sterling Hill. Do you know > >of any way to view this?? > >----------------------------------- > > > >Hello Dennis (and list), > > > >I don't know when or if this particular show will air again, and I doubt >we'd receive any special notification of it. Here at the museum we have a >borrowed DVD that we will attempt to copy, plus a couple of friends have >recorded the show on tape, so I suppose we could copy one of those too. >That's all I know at the moment . . . > > > >The segment on gold panning was the second half-hour of the show. Sterling >Hill was on the first half-hour. > > > >Cheers- Earl > > > >----------------------------------- > >Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist > >Sterling Hill Mining Museum > >30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 > >973-209-7212 > >shmm@ptd.net > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative >text/plain (text body -- kept) >text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > >--------------------------------- >The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu Feb 1 08:27:09 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu Feb 1 08:27:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? Plus a home made grinder In-Reply-To: <45C12AFA.4020302@verizon.net> References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net><000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45C0BE59.4050007@verizon.net><004601c74576$9fe71ed0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45C12AFA.4020302@verizon.net> Message-ID: <009201c7461d$68ef7d30$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Don: Perhaps your professor could consider the furnaces available to the knife making crowd. They have an interest in high temps and have come up with a number of intriguing home made furnaces. Variations on the furnaces are made to accommodate different materials; that is, the knife makers like smaller forges while the sword makers like long ones. There are also a number of farrier (blacksmith who makes horseshoes and other equestrian gear) sites that discuss the furnace needs and designs. As a basic guideline the knife/sword makers want much higher even temperatures than the farriers. http://www.geocities.com/zoellerforge/simplegasforge.html http://www.jamesriser.com/Machinery/GasForge/PropaneForge.htmlo And this guy has an easy way to tell if you are running a neutral flame -http://www.dfoggknives.com/forgeweld.htm (Oxidizing - more air than fuel, Reducing - more fuel than air, Neutral - even fuel/air ratio) To give this topic a move towards rock hounding; I belong to various groups of, well, eccentric interests. One of the groups I belong to has a member who built a horizontal grinder, so he could grind abalone and Mother of Pearl. I am posting the link below to the grinder construction page (with pictures); but be forewarned the forum requires registration and log in. If you do not mind registering, here is the link: http://luthierforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3035 By the way, this particular forum is for luthiers much as Rockhounds@Drizzle is for rockhounds. Also be warned that most lapidary grinding wheels are not meant to take pressure from the side; so consider that problem if you construct your own. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:49 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? J Bryan Kramer wrote: > The one I mentioned was quoted at about $8000 and I think had a 150 cubic > inch volume and 1700 deg C. So it's fairly large as these ovens go, > > BK That's cool. I told him the results today. He is looking around at university surplus and at nearby universities' surplus. But now we have a price range and some vendors. Thanks to everyone! Actually I don't remember what I said previously, but he needs up to 1600 C, so this unit is in the ballpark. Don -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 08:43:22 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Feb 1 08:43:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <20070201164322.51692.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There will be another new list of microminerals on www.sauktown.com in a few hours. I've also started to add pictures to the Dryer Collection list. It's my first attempt at photomicrography, so please don't laugh! I have a new source for plastic micromount boxes. The quality is much better, and they are less expensive! I can supply them as all black, all clear, or any combination. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 09:50:03 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:50:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP-letter-museum collection liquidation Message-ID: <936402.55595.qm@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings all, you know, recently, we had some interesting discussions on museum collections on this list after the questionable actions of the Phili Academy of Science mineral collection liquidation. I saw a letter last nite from the president of the Society of Mineral Museum Professionals, got approval to post the letter (posted below). Given that some of you have significant collections that you may have pondered donating to museums or universities, I wanted to share this letter with you. But I also wanted to ask you all a question: Is there something, we, as a community need to be doing to help these professionals to help preserve the collections, their status in the museums, and increase the awareness of museum boards and other key persons? I genuinely do not have an answer, but do want to do what I can to help. My concern is related to the increasing median age of collectors, the dwindling numbers of young people involved coming up thru the the clubs that would be the future audiences of these exhibits and recipients of knowledge transfer. If there is declining interest from the public in mineral/rock collecting and study, what does this mean for these exhibits and holdings? Tina SMMP website: http://www.smmp.net/organization.htm PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE Last year started with continued rumblings from the Philadelphia Academy of Sciences; like harmonic tremors prior to a volcanic eruption. Unfortunately (or fortunately ?depending on your perspective) the eruption happened and a historic institution abdicated a part of its history. Some natural history museums around the country seem bent on competing with amusement parks for the public?s entertainment dollar. Collections first acquired hundreds of years ago and built over long periods of time have become disposable. Such myopic views are alarming and do not serve the public or the institution?s long-term viability. Liquidating museum assets to save other programs is a certain sign of institutional starvation or self-mutilation. Who is to say what will be popular or important in the future? But it is not just the large museums that are struggling with viability. Museums housed in universities are constantly fighting to maintain space and funding. University administrations have successfully pitted museum against researcher such that campus faculty look to museum space for offices and labs. Unfortunately, a few million dollars of research grant over 2 to 4 years seems to take precedence over a collection built over a hundred years with a similar value. I guess what you have is taken for granted and what is coming is grandiose (I think overhead money has something to do with it too). How do we get ?decision-makers? to appreciate and protect museum collections? The first step is to dispel the myth that collections are static and boring. Whenever possible, establish communication with both the administration and public on new museum exhibits, programs, or museum sponsored/assisted research. Develop and nurture a constituency outside of the museum via programs or symposia. Getting the collections noticed and remembered by ?decision-makers? is half the battle. Need some ideas on how do you do these things? Use the collective knowledge and experience of SMMP by contacting the membership. Where else can you get access to such experience and knowledge for only $10 a year? For those of you making the trip, I look forward to seeing you in Tucson. If you will not be there this year, email me prior to Feb. 8 if there is something you would like us to consider at the meeting. Virgil Lueth, President --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 09:53:44 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:53:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collections Manager-opening Message-ID: <25212.61495.qm@web60823.mail.yahoo.com> I was asked to post this retirement and vacancy announcement : RETIREMENT ANNOUNCEMENT Dorothy Ettensohn Collections Manager, Mineral Sciences Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County After more than 26 years in museum mineral collection management, Dorothy has announced her retirement from the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County, effective January 31, 2007. During her 17+ year tenure at the museum, Dorothy has very ably managed a very active and rapidly growing collection and has been at the forefront of mineral conservation. She has also been an active member of SMMP. Before coming to the museum in 1989, Dorothy served as collections manager for 9 years in the Mineralogy/Petrology Department at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County is currently accepting applications to fill the position of Collections Manager, Mineral Sciences. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Thu Feb 1 16:54:50 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:54:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <45C16F2D.7060509@verizon.net> Message-ID: I've had it about 5 years now, got it used from Rio Grande. Think I picked it up for about $325 + shipping to Portland Or. The electronic controls are great, the different clays have different temps you have to use, gold is fired at 1814ºF for at least 60 min, the silver will vary depending on what type you are using and is fired from 1200ºF to 1600ºF. If you add glass to your clay you have to ramp up to temp, hold, and then ramp back down for proper end results. Shop around, there are many sources that sell Paragon kilns. I originally went to Tuscon with the intent of buying a kiln from Rio Grande as the demo units at the show would be "used" and they don't want to cart them back after the show, but they were firing the original clay that took a couple of hours and I didn't want to wait all day for the thing to cool down! I haven't tried yet, but this thing gets hot enough, I may at some point try melting down raw gold flakes! Dawn From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Thu Feb 1 16:57:57 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:58:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite:Blk light/Tina's cheap wave In-Reply-To: <131677.27424.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Check out this one, I have one and have had it for at least a couple of years. http://www.lifestylestore.com/ls_uv_lights_5785.html It's not cheap but not real expensive either! Dawn From folmstead at rcn.com Thu Feb 1 18:38:38 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Thu Feb 1 18:38:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Frank Hissong??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C2A42E.8030103@rcn.com> I am trying to find Frank Hissong....his e-mai... and his phone number.. Thank you if you can help me... GeorgiaO folmstead@rcn.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 1 19:58:06 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 1 19:44:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP-letter-museum collection liquidation References: <936402.55595.qm@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C2B38A.187C@Tomaszewski.net> tango juli wrote: > Is there something, we, as a community need to be doing to help these professionals to help preserve the collections, their status in the museums, and increase the awareness of museum boards and other key persons? Tina, If we do our part as Rockhounds to actively pass our hobby on to the next generation(s), we will help raise interest in museum collections and displays. It will be noticed. We need to take our collections into the schools. We need to let kids see our passion for rocks and minerals. We need to get kids excited about the stuff that is not grown and needs to be mined. We need to make sure our Club meetings, shows, and field trips, are kid and family friendly. Most parents support their kid's interests. If you can capture a kid's imagination, and desire to learn, with rocks and minerals, you may gain a new club family membership, and probably one (extra) museum visit. We need to be working at making our hobby grow; the professionals should also be interested in cultivating our hobby. Clubs and Museums need to partner. A Curator reporting a visit from a (local, or distant) Club to see the Museum's full collection of minerals, as a field trip, would certainly raise management eyebrows. And when all else has failed too, and museums end up selling off (all or part of) their collections, we need to step in as hobbiests, and preserve the specimens, by showing an interest and bidding on them. You ask a good question, I hope my thoughts help answer it. Kreigh From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Feb 1 20:47:55 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Feb 1 20:49:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Frank Hissong??? References: <45C2A42E.8030103@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000201c74685$6fdede20$db52d0c4@private7mvzgzc> Hi Georgia Try sfhissong@adelphia.net Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Olmstead" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Frank Hissong??? > > I am trying to find Frank Hissong....his e-mai... and his phone number.. > > Thank you if you can help me... > > GeorgiaO > folmstead@rcn.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 1 21:05:45 2007 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen) Date: Thu Feb 1 21:05:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows Message-ID: <200702020505.l1255dC8004965@mgt3.nomadisp.com> I see that there is general interest in the several locations featured in the Cash and Treasures series. I've seen at least 3 of the shows and have become generally displeased with the overwhelming emphasis on cash value of the rocks or minerals found. I guess that the series is a way for many to see areas that they would never otherwise visit, but from the perspective of owners of the locations some unfortunate consequences are becoming evident. In visiting with the representatives of the Bonanza Opal mine in Virgin Valley, NV, they report now receiving dozens of emails a day asking how I now come to the mine, dig up easily found opals and sell them for cash to ready buyers. The Bonanza rep now does not even reply to his emails. I talked to the owner of the Rainbow Ridge opal mine who is here in Tucson. He told Cash and Treasures that they were not welcome on the property. Too many people have developed wildly unrealistic expectations of easy riches to be found just by bending over in the right spot. This is a perspective from a person interested in the Bonanza Opal mine and its future. Glen From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Feb 1 21:55:23 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Feb 1 21:54:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP-letter-museum collection liquidation In-Reply-To: <45C2B38A.187C@Tomaszewski.net> References: <936402.55595.qm@web60820.mail.yahoo.com> <45C2B38A.187C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <45C2D24B.10204@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > tango juli wrote: > >> Is there something, we, as a community need to be doing to help these professionals to help preserve the collections, Time is short, but I'll add this: In addition to Kreigh's excellent suggestion, we should remember that govt's and institutions respond to two things: vigorous opinions, and money. I bet that if hundreds, or thousands, of people had written the Academy of Natural Sciences, stating that they missed the mineral collection on display soon after it disappeared, it might have made a difference. That would be especially true if teachers, scout leaders, school administrators, etc., had been the ones complaining, since groups bring a lot of dollars in the front door at museums. A lot of us complain, but how many write letters to museums saying how important the mineral collection is to them? Or donated money directed to the collection, even if it is $10? Those school kids: when they go on a trip, how about having the kids write a thank you note to the museum? They need to know. It's been said that a politician considers one letter on an issue to represent 1,000 people; I'd imagine that institutions would consider it the same. Food for thought, Don From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Thu Feb 1 22:04:01 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Feb 1 22:04:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: letter-museum/change to public issues In-Reply-To: <45C2D24B.10204@verizon.net> Message-ID: "It's been said that a politician considers one letter on an issue to represent 1,000 people; I'd imagine that institutions would consider it the same." This is so very true, people who feel strongly about rockhounding, land use, etc. need to write letters, show up at meetings and generally be heard no matter what the issue is. The cost of the envelope and stamp is cheap when it comes to public opinion. Let your voice be heard when it comes to the issues folks, the politico's get tired of seeing the same faces at hearings and meetings on land use issues, it makes me feel that they think there are only a couple hundred of use fighting with them! Dawn From tim at orerockon.com Fri Feb 2 07:19:31 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Feb 2 07:18:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows In-Reply-To: <200702020505.l1255dC8004965@mgt3.nomadisp.com> References: <200702020505.l1255dC8004965@mgt3.nomadisp.com> Message-ID: <200702021518.l12FIptl031214@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I wholeheartedly agree, Glen. I rolled my eyes at a quoted value of hundreds of dollars per carat for a simply faceted, _very pale_ red stone on the sunstone episode which completely killed any interest I had in watching more of the "I'M RICH, B**CH!!!" mentality of that episode. If I could get those prices for B grade rough I could have retired 10 years ago to the wonderland of Plush North :) And good for Keith, I think his operation can stand on its own merits without any sort of sensationalism. All I saw of that episode was the trailer in which a woman at the Bonanza (I assume, although at the time I thought it was the Royal Peacock) crowed over a multi-thousand dollar chunk of conk she had dug. Uh huh. Maybe a hundred if it was in a nice glass vial. Zero if it had been dried out without being stabilized. As has been discussed already, it apparently takes at least some sensationalism to make rockhounding and gold panning attractive to the cable TV-watching masses. Those with unrealistic expectations will quickly get bored with fee digging, if they even do show up. All that aside, I am still glad it is being noticed, as this is a dying hobby and has been since the "glory years" of the 60s and 70s. If it gets even one couch potato to join our club, that will be one more warm body we can tap for setting up and breaking down our show this spring :) At 09:05 PM 2/1/2007, you wrote: >I see that there is general interest in the several locations >featured in the Cash and >Treasures series. > >I've seen at least 3 of the shows and have become generally >displeased with the >overwhelming emphasis on cash value of the rocks or minerals found. >I guess that >the series is a way for many to see areas that they would never >otherwise visit, but >from the perspective of owners of the locations some unfortunate >consequences are >becoming evident. > >In visiting with the representatives of the Bonanza Opal mine in >Virgin Valley, NV, they >report now receiving dozens of emails a day asking how I now come to the mine, >dig up easily found opals and sell them for cash to ready buyers. >The Bonanza rep now >does not even reply to his emails. > >I talked to the owner of the Rainbow Ridge opal mine who is here in >Tucson. He told >Cash and Treasures that they were not welcome on the property. Too >many people have >developed wildly unrealistic expectations of easy riches to be found >just by bending over >in the right spot. > >This is a perspective from a person interested in the Bonanza Opal >mine and its future. > >Glen Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Feb 2 08:28:33 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Feb 2 08:28:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows In-Reply-To: <200702021518.l12FIptl031214@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000001c746e7$2f265720$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> I too agree, equally wholeheartedly. I hadn't watched any episodes of this series before the one on Sterling Hill aired, but since then I've tried to catch them. Now, do you really suppose that each pan of river gravel is going to yield a 1/4-inch gold nugget? Either she got incredibly lucky or the pans were salted. And the values for some of the things I saw appeared high to me too. I imagine this is just the TV version of poetic license, but it's a double-edged sword: yes, it should increase interest in mineral collecting among the general populace, but no, they won't get rich doing it. It can be demoralizing when raised expectations crash into reality, but that's what will happen. So far our e-mail traffic here has been fairly light -- no one wants our $30 fluorescent specimens when they think they can dig thousands of dollars of gold, or opal, or aquamarines in a single day. At first I was concerned about that contrast, but now I'm grateful for it. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:20 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows I wholeheartedly agree, Glen. I rolled my eyes at a quoted value of hundreds of dollars per carat for a simply faceted, _very pale_ red stone on the sunstone episode which completely killed any interest I had in watching more of the "I'M RICH, B**CH!!!" mentality of that episode. If I could get those prices for B grade rough I could have retired 10 years ago to the wonderland of Plush North :) And good for Keith, I think his operation can stand on its own merits without any sort of sensationalism. All I saw of that episode was the trailer in which a woman at the Bonanza (I assume, although at the time I thought it was the Royal Peacock) crowed over a multi-thousand dollar chunk of conk she had dug. Uh huh. Maybe a hundred if it was in a nice glass vial. Zero if it had been dried out without being stabilized. As has been discussed already, it apparently takes at least some sensationalism to make rockhounding and gold panning attractive to the cable TV-watching masses. Those with unrealistic expectations will quickly get bored with fee digging, if they even do show up. All that aside, I am still glad it is being noticed, as this is a dying hobby and has been since the "glory years" of the 60s and 70s. If it gets even one couch potato to join our club, that will be one more warm body we can tap for setting up and breaking down our show this spring :) At 09:05 PM 2/1/2007, you wrote: >I see that there is general interest in the several locations >featured in the Cash and >Treasures series. > >I've seen at least 3 of the shows and have become generally >displeased with the >overwhelming emphasis on cash value of the rocks or minerals found. >I guess that >the series is a way for many to see areas that they would never >otherwise visit, but >from the perspective of owners of the locations some unfortunate >consequences are >becoming evident. > >In visiting with the representatives of the Bonanza Opal mine in >Virgin Valley, NV, they >report now receiving dozens of emails a day asking how I now come to the mine, >dig up easily found opals and sell them for cash to ready buyers. >The Bonanza rep now >does not even reply to his emails. > >I talked to the owner of the Rainbow Ridge opal mine who is here in >Tucson. He told >Cash and Treasures that they were not welcome on the property. Too >many people have >developed wildly unrealistic expectations of easy riches to be found >just by bending over >in the right spot. > >This is a perspective from a person interested in the Bonanza Opal >mine and its future. > >Glen From lanny at lrream.com Fri Feb 2 09:21:41 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Feb 2 09:22:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows In-Reply-To: <200702020505.l1255dC8004965@mgt3.nomadisp.com> References: <200702020505.l1255dC8004965@mgt3.nomadisp.com> Message-ID: You all need to remember that the name of the show is "Cash and Treasures," and the emphasis is on finding things of value--anyone can be a treasure hunter. I find Glen's comments below interesting. Didn't the owners at the sights all gush all over making statements on how valuable everything was? It was either at one of the Virgin Valley locations or a different opal location that the mine owner gloated over every piece found. One big piece was worth $500, together the pieces Becky found were worth a couple thousand. Every piece looked highly fractured and cloudy to me. When Becky took them to the gem cutter, he said they were all uncuttable. This is not a show about "rockhounding," but a show about finding things of value. It's TV so, apparently naturally it is hyped up and mostly fantasy. I find it entertaining, although unfortunate that it is so misleading and does give people the wrong impression. However, by the end of the day, sitting in front of the TV and doing nothing for a half hour can be relaxing, and considering that there is usually nothing on TV even worth wasting time that way, I've sat back and watched them. At least it is on a subject we all enjoy. How many of those are on TV? There is one benefit, I've at least now seen these locations that I've never been to, most likely never will go to (except maybe Virgin Valley someday), but have always been curious about. And besides, it's a good laugh. Lanny On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Glen wrote: > I see that there is general interest in the several locations featured > in the Cash and > Treasures series. > > I've seen at least 3 of the shows and have become generally displeased > with the > overwhelming emphasis on cash value of the rocks or minerals found. I > guess that > the series is a way for many to see areas that they would never > otherwise visit, but > from the perspective of owners of the locations some unfortunate > consequences are > becoming evident. > > In visiting with the representatives of the Bonanza Opal mine in > Virgin Valley, NV, they > report now receiving dozens of emails a day asking how I now come to > the mine, > dig up easily found opals and sell them for cash to ready buyers. The > Bonanza rep now > does not even reply to his emails. > > I talked to the owner of the Rainbow Ridge opal mine who is here in > Tucson. He told > Cash and Treasures that they were not welcome on the property. Too > many people have > developed wildly unrealistic expectations of easy riches to be found > just by bending over > in the right spot. > > This is a perspective from a person interested in the Bonanza Opal > mine and its future. > > Glen > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From ajs at frii.com Fri Feb 2 09:57:55 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Fri Feb 2 09:57:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: letter-museum/change to public issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070202175755.74F604D25E@io.frii.com> > "It's been said that a politician considers one letter on an issue to > represent 1,000 people; I'd imagine that institutions would consider > it the same." But consider the rest of the story: "And man, I'm glad that only one of them wrote to me, 'cause 1000 sure would be a lot harder to ignore! Now where was I? Ah yes, my tee time is 2:05, right? ..." Alan Silverstein From cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 11:10:02 2007 From: cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net (Cliff Jackson) Date: Fri Feb 2 11:10:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report Calico Mt, CA, USA Message-ID: <26590569.1170443402230.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear List As I was not busy yesterday I decised to take a trip. As I live in Las Vegas, a friend and I picked the Calico Mts, just to the north of Yermo off of I15. This is about 2hrs out of LV. If you have a copy of Desert Gem Trails by Mary Strong, it is listed with maps on page 36, Green Ash Hills. Aprox GPS is N36 56.8 & W116 46.4. As you drive in you will see these Ash hills. They are loaded with Agate and Jasper. Some of the agate is very nice with a great colors and sizes. What we were really looking for was some Petrified palm wood. We found it is very hard to find but we did score one piece 4X2X6 inches. I cut it last nigh after we got home and it is some very nice clasic Palm wood. We alson collected some very nice agate and will be polishing it later. If anyone woulld like a map email me off list and I will send you one as a word file. Regards Cliff Jackson Las Vegas From llbullbull at hotmail.com Fri Feb 2 13:04:51 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:04:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some thoughts: When people do go to these places, the programs highlight, and find out just how hard it is to find "valuable treasure" they will hopefully appreciate the material found by others. Then maybe they will be willing to pay several dollars for a nice specimen from a dealer. The program could do with a nice caveat that not everyone or even most people will return from these locations with valuable specimens. However, most operators probably would not be too keen on that... At the very least more people are being introduced to at least parts of the hobby which is always a good thing. They will learn soon enough how really difficult it can be. The hope is that they will not be totally put off by the bad experience but keep trying. So maybe some good will come of it afterall. Larry Bull >From: Lanny >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures shows >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:21:41 -0800 > >You all need to remember that the name of the show is "Cash and Treasures," >and the emphasis is on finding things of value--anyone can be a treasure >hunter. > >I find Glen's comments below interesting. Didn't the owners at the sights >all gush all over making statements on how valuable everything was? It was >either at one of the Virgin Valley locations or a different opal location >that the mine owner gloated over every piece found. One big piece was worth >$500, together the pieces Becky found were worth a couple thousand. Every >piece looked highly fractured and cloudy to me. When Becky took them to the >gem cutter, he said they were all uncuttable. > >This is not a show about "rockhounding," but a show about finding things of >value. It's TV so, apparently naturally it is hyped up and mostly fantasy. >I find it entertaining, although unfortunate that it is so misleading and >does give people the wrong impression. However, by the end of the day, >sitting in front of the TV and doing nothing for a half hour can be >relaxing, and considering that there is usually nothing on TV even worth >wasting time that way, I've sat back and watched them. At least it is on a >subject we all enjoy. How many of those are on TV? There is one benefit, >I've at least now seen these locations that I've never been to, most likely >never will go to (except maybe Virgin Valley someday), but have always been >curious about. And besides, it's a good laugh. > >Lanny > >On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:05 PM, Glen wrote: > >>I see that there is general interest in the several locations featured in >>the Cash and >>Treasures series. >> >>I've seen at least 3 of the shows and have become generally displeased >>with the >>overwhelming emphasis on cash value of the rocks or minerals found. I >>guess that >>the series is a way for many to see areas that they would never otherwise >>visit, but >>from the perspective of owners of the locations some unfortunate >>consequences are >>becoming evident. >> >>In visiting with the representatives of the Bonanza Opal mine in Virgin >>Valley, NV, they >>report now receiving dozens of emails a day asking how I now come to the >>mine, >>dig up easily found opals and sell them for cash to ready buyers. The >>Bonanza rep now >>does not even reply to his emails. >> >>I talked to the owner of the Rainbow Ridge opal mine who is here in >>Tucson. He told >>Cash and Treasures that they were not welcome on the property. Too many >>people have >>developed wildly unrealistic expectations of easy riches to be found just >>by bending over >>in the right spot. >> >>This is a perspective from a person interested in the Bonanza Opal mine >>and its future. >> >>Glen >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Feb 2 16:34:16 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Feb 2 16:34:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: letter-museum/change to public issues References: Message-ID: <002801c7472b$09f47510$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Not necessarily. The Academy, in fact, most museums are not part of government. They are 501(c) organizations with boards of directors who may be community and business leaders. There is no guarentee that the board members know as much about managing museums as you. They might feel that it is their obligation as a member of the community business leadership to be on boards to offer guidance. This guidance is often made by the director that they themselves may have hired. (See the catch-22?) Having worked in museums since 1985, I can tell you that once a museum director has support of the board, letters do not speak as loud as series of bad stories in the local media. Essentially you have to publicly humilate the board of directors to get action. Sunshine laws do not necessarily apply to non-governmental organizations. What goes on behind the close doors of any museum will piss off someone. The question is - will the potentially angry person or people find out in time to make a difference? Most of the time, probably not. The "squeaky wheel" may not be found enough to make a difference one a mindset is established. Museums around the world are in similar situations where collections, favorite exhibits of some patrons - you name it - is in jeopardy. Collections are being disbanded, sold, tossed out, given away, etc. due to negligence, ignorance, malice, new leadership, old leadership, etc. The best way to mitigate this is to support your local museum with collections of particular interest to you in any way possible. Volunteer. Join the board. Look at the institution's strategic plan. Talk to the curatorial and education staff to see how your interests are being represented. Become an expert on how you local museum is managed, their goals and objectives. They appreciate on-going support and interest more than rabble-rousing! Oh, did I mention - volunteer at the museum! And bring a friend or two to help! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" To: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: letter-museum/change to public issues > "It's been said that a politician considers one letter on an issue to > represent 1,000 people; I'd imagine that institutions would consider it > the same." > > This is so very true, people who feel strongly about rockhounding, land > use, etc. need to write letters, show up at meetings and generally be > heard no matter what the issue is. The cost of the envelope and stamp is > cheap when it comes to public opinion. > > Let your voice be heard when it comes to the issues folks, the politico's > get tired of seeing the same faces at hearings and meetings on land use > issues, it makes me feel that they think there are only a couple hundred > of use fighting with them! > > Dawn > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From myblewbird at hotmail.com Sat Feb 3 18:41:19 2007 From: myblewbird at hotmail.com (Myblewbird blewbird) Date: Sat Feb 3 18:41:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures Shows Message-ID: I have been lurking here on the sidelines, reading emails once in awhile. I am sorry to say that I am purely an amateur when it comes to "rockhound language," so don't expect to see anything of great scientific value coming from this email! My husband and I have lived in Oregon all of our lives and have spent as much time as possible in the Oregon desert and Virgin Valley. We love camping and looking for stones. Have done it since we were children. Love the desert! Are they also going to exploit our fossil beds, petroglyphs, etc.? We are both sorry to see the TV dramatization and exploitation of our beloved stomping grounds.  I appreciate being able to read your comments and am very concerned about what this exposure is going to do to our special places.  I just hope that when we do our next camping trip to Virgin Valley, it won't be overrun by fortune-seeking city dwellers! ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Valentine’s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Sat Feb 3 19:02:58 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sat Feb 3 19:03:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn><45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> <45BC0A23.6030906@verizon.net> <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005501c74808$c07ca180$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Kreigh: Uh, perhaps you meant momentum and not velocity? You know, the law of gravity thing and all. However, multiply mass times velocity and diamonds will have the higher momentum values. While we're back on the topic; since I ordered some back copies Mineralogical Record including issue #6, volume 37 (November-December). This MR has an article on Murfreesboro diamonds. Actually the article is a book review plus update on Murfreesboro diamonds. The book reviewed is Glen W. Worthington's "A thorough and accurate history of Genuine Diamonds in Arkansas". I found the book at http://www.diamondsinar.com/order_book.html. Back to the MR article, it has some excellent pictures and descriptions of the raw diamonds found at the park. Can you dredge up a copy or order one? I don't think Xerox copies will do the pictures justice. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:05 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? Hi Don, I was afraid of that. Guess it has to be Plan B... Denser materials, when dropped onto the elevated end of a sloped surface, should acquire more velocity from gravity, and therefore travel farther once they reach the downslope edge. Any other suggestions for sorting by gravity? Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Seems to me that the ideal solution for concentrating the denser stuff > > would be to have a tub containing a liquid with a density just a bit > > under that of diamond's 3.52. > > > > The question is, what dense liquid could I take that would be safe > > enough to use in the park? > > > > Yikes--I can't think of anything that is 1) non-toxic and 2) affordable. > I have been having the same problem. I just spent $500 (of grant > money) on a small jar of sodium polytungstate and that has a max SG of > about 3.0. It is essentially non-toxic but as you can tell it is > extremely expensive, what I bought makes a few hundred mL of solution, > and a small tub full would cost as much as a nice diamond from the > jewelry store. The toxic heavy liquids like bromoform have slightly > higher SG > and are also very expensive, if you can even buy them any longer. One > of the densest is thallium malonate formate (Clerici's solution), which > is the most toxic of them all and also extremely expensive. > > Check with Cargille at http://www.cargille.com/ > > Prepare for sticker shock. > > I have been beating my brains out for months trying to find a safe and > relatively inexpensive SG liquid. Sodium and lithium polytungstates are > safe but very expensive. Fortunately, their ~3.0 SG is just enough to > separate most common feldspars. I have been avoiding Clerici's solution > but at least it is there if I need it--and only in very small amounts. > > Good luck, > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Feb 3 19:14:03 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Feb 3 19:13:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures Shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C54F7B.1010905@verizon.net> Myblewbird blewbird wrote: > I have been lurking here on the sidelines, reading emails once in awhile. Hi, Nice to see a lurker posting something and coming "off the sidelines." Welcome to the group. I wouldn't worry too much: in my experience with this sort of thing, there may be a brief flurry of interest, but as others have noted, when people find out it doesn't meet the hype, they will move on. The good news is that you may attract a few people who enjoy the hobby not for pure profit, but for the enjoyment of minerals and nature in their own right. The interesting thing about the Sterling Hill segment was that, as far as I can tell from others' comments, this was the only show about a site that is not just a collecting area, but has a museum and mine tours on the premises. So though I cringe at the lowest-common-denominator approach of the eye-catching but otherwise ditzy-sounding narrator, I see the value in publicity for the museum (BTW, I have spent a fair amount of my time and money volunteering there so I have a vested interest in its success). For every 10 people who show up wanting only to make money, I'm sure all or most of them will take the tour and visit the museum, and there may be 1 who stays for the long term to participate in the hobby in many satisfying ways. Take care, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Feb 3 20:28:40 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Feb 3 20:08:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn><45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> <45BC0A23.6030906@verizon.net> <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> <005501c74808$c07ca180$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <45C55C16.7E51@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Ted, Ummm, can I plead guilty to sloppy physics? Thanks for the reference, I should be able to find it. Kreigh Ted Kowalski wrote: > > Kreigh: > Uh, perhaps you meant momentum and not velocity? You know, the law of > gravity thing and all. However, multiply mass times velocity and diamonds > will have the higher momentum values. > > While we're back on the topic; since I ordered some back copies > Mineralogical Record including issue #6, volume 37 (November-December). This > MR has an article on Murfreesboro diamonds. Actually the article is a book > review plus update on Murfreesboro diamonds. The book reviewed is Glen W. > Worthington's "A thorough and accurate history of Genuine Diamonds in > Arkansas". I found the book at http://www.diamondsinar.com/order_book.html. > > Back to the MR article, it has some excellent pictures and descriptions of > the raw diamonds found at the park. Can you dredge up a copy or order one? I > don't think Xerox copies will do the pictures justice. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg VA USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:05 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? > > Hi Don, > > I was afraid of that. Guess it has to be Plan B... > > Denser materials, when dropped onto the elevated end of a sloped > surface, should acquire more velocity from gravity, and therefore travel > farther once they reach the downslope edge. > > Any other suggestions for sorting by gravity? > > Kreigh > > DonH wrote: > > > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > > Seems to me that the ideal solution for concentrating the denser stuff > > > would be to have a tub containing a liquid with a density just a bit > > > under that of diamond's 3.52. > > > > > > The question is, what dense liquid could I take that would be safe > > > enough to use in the park? > > > > > > > Yikes--I can't think of anything that is 1) non-toxic and 2) affordable. > > I have been having the same problem. I just spent $500 (of grant > > money) on a small jar of sodium polytungstate and that has a max SG of > > about 3.0. It is essentially non-toxic but as you can tell it is > > extremely expensive, what I bought makes a few hundred mL of solution, > > and a small tub full would cost as much as a nice diamond from the > > jewelry store. The toxic heavy liquids like bromoform have slightly > > higher SG > > and are also very expensive, if you can even buy them any longer. One > > of the densest is thallium malonate formate (Clerici's solution), which > > is the most toxic of them all and also extremely expensive. > > > > Check with Cargille at http://www.cargille.com/ > > > > Prepare for sticker shock. > > > > I have been beating my brains out for months trying to find a safe and > > relatively inexpensive SG liquid. Sodium and lithium polytungstates are > > safe but very expensive. Fortunately, their ~3.0 SG is just enough to > > separate most common feldspars. I have been avoiding Clerici's solution > > but at least it is there if I need it--and only in very small amounts. > > > > Good luck, > > Don From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sat Feb 3 20:38:21 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (sinico@nbnet.nb.ca) Date: Sat Feb 3 20:38:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? Message-ID: <20070204043821.KFKT29497.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hi all, I may have the opportunity to pass via Murfreesboro en route home from Tucson. Having read some of the previous posts about digging/searching procedures, I wonder does anyone on the list know with authority whether (as many others are) the Arkansas diamonds are attracted to grease? If so, perhaps a grease coated mini-sluice might be a useful separation device. Cheers, Hans Durstling at the Learning Center in Tucson www.electricparklearningcenter.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 4 07:09:39 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Feb 4 07:09:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter Message-ID: <20070204150939.35873.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've waited a while before jumping in on this because I wanted to think about it. I think much of the problem lies in many "general purpose" or natural history museums losing their focus. I looked up the definition of "museum" in a dictionary and nowhere in that definition did I see the words "entertain" or "entertainment". Rather, the terms were "acquire", "conserve", "exhibit" and the like. In response to economic pressures, these museums are trying to compete with Hollywood, television, amusement parks, etc. for the consumer's entertainment dollars. This competition is not winnable. I don't believe any amount of letters will change this course of action. I'd recommend throwing our support to those institutions that are exclusively or at least primarily mineral-oriented, such as the Sterling Hill Museum, the Clement Museum in Kentucky, the Weinman in Georgia. These institutions, and more like them, are unlikely to trash their mineral holdings. Jim Daly --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Feb 4 08:04:58 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 4 08:04:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter / helping museums survive References: <20070204150939.35873.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c74876$387c75d0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Jim brings up good points. I think each of us should support - as strongly as our time and finances allow - the museum that is closest to you that has a major focus on our interests - be it mineral, fossil, geology, etc. You should approach the museum to find out their greatest needs. If they say money, get them to be more specific. They may need funds for a small construction project or curatorial work where you can assist with materials and/or time. Or it may be books you can donate. Or money to help pay the utility bills this month. Or a donation of specimens they can sell in their gift shop. You may know teachers who could bring a class or a scout troop to their museum (most have entrance fees and can really use gift shop sales). Many museums have to moved towards entertainment to survive. Like it or not, most post-baby boomers are not museum people - they want to be entertained. That is why TV / Hollywood / the Internet are huge industries! Entertainment helps people escape the drudgeries of real life. Across the country virtually every museum and cultural site is seeing a decline in attendence (and those that aren't devote considerably more resources to marketing than collections). There are not enough of us - people on this list serve for example - to stop this trend! However if each us was to devote 10% or 15% of the effort we spend on our hobby to the nearest museum or site of interest, we could make a difference! YOU could make a difference! Nate & I shouldn't be the only people regularly "tooting the horn" for the Clement Museum! The Weinman Museum is becoming a 'Tellus' Museum and is shifting to more of a science/nature history direction. Minerals will remain a core mission, but it will also include a fossil hall, aeronautical exhibits and a planetarium if I recall the plans correctly. There is also the Arizona Mining Museum, Rice Museum, Sternberg Museum, etc., even my place - the Falls of the Ohio State Park! Some are struggling more than others, but I don't know a museum in existence that can use volunteer or financial help from the interested public! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter > I've waited a while before jumping in on this because I wanted to think > about it. > I think much of the problem lies in many "general purpose" or natural > history museums losing their focus. I looked up the definition of "museum" > in a dictionary and nowhere in that definition did I see the words > "entertain" or "entertainment". Rather, the terms were "acquire", > "conserve", "exhibit" and the like. In response to economic pressures, > these museums are trying to compete with Hollywood, television, amusement > parks, etc. for the consumer's entertainment dollars. This competition is > not winnable. > I don't believe any amount of letters will change this course of action. > I'd recommend throwing our support to those institutions that are > exclusively or at least primarily mineral-oriented, such as the Sterling > Hill Museum, the Clement Museum in Kentucky, the Weinman in Georgia. These > institutions, and more like them, are unlikely to trash their mineral > holdings. > Jim Daly From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Feb 4 08:40:46 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Feb 4 08:40:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter In-Reply-To: <20070204150939.35873.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070204150939.35873.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c7487b$386970c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Also big factor: Who's at the helm at the geology dept. of the museum? If it's a mineralogist the collections usually flourishes. We had profs like Renaat Van Tassel and Michel Deliens (Vantasselite and Deliensite) managing the geology section of the Royal Belgian Institute for Natural History in Brussels. Van Tassel built the mineral collection and Deliens steered pretty much the same course. Geologists tend to have more interest in the greater scheme of things so you can expect less minerals, more rocks and schematics. If the fate of a natural history museum falls into the hands of a biologist the mineral collection may wither. Everybody tends to see their discipline as the gravity center of scientific interest ;-)))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Jim Daly > Verzonden: zondag 4 februari 2007 16:10 > Aan: Rockhounds > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter > > I've waited a while before jumping in on this because I > wanted to think about it. > I think much of the problem lies in many "general purpose" > or natural history museums losing their focus. I looked up > the definition of "museum" in a dictionary and nowhere in > that definition did I see the words "entertain" or > "entertainment". Rather, the terms were "acquire", > "conserve", "exhibit" and the like. In response to economic > pressures, these museums are trying to compete with > Hollywood, television, amusement parks, etc. for the > consumer's entertainment dollars. This competition is not winnable. > I don't believe any amount of letters will change this > course of action. I'd recommend throwing our support to those > institutions that are exclusively or at least primarily > mineral-oriented, such as the Sterling Hill Museum, the > Clement Museum in Kentucky, the Weinman in Georgia. These > institutions, and more like them, are unlikely to trash their > mineral holdings. > Jim Daly > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love > to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com Sun Feb 4 11:05:08 2007 From: webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com (Sal) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:03:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cultivating Kid's Interest in Rockhounding Message-ID: <45C62E64.9090007@rockhoundstation1.com> I've read a few articles here now about museums selling collections, and about people being led to think of gems as a get rich panacea. Kreigh - you are absolutely right in pointing to the answer as cultivating kids interests in rockhounding and geology. As a child I started to play at finding fossils, and other interesting stones. My parents were not aware of the world that could have opened to me and never sought to help cultivate these interests. I don't hold that against them - they weren't aware - but I do wonder where I could have gone with an extra 20 years of experience. I recently wrote an article for my site about rockhounding as a parenting aid, which I later sent to an article submission site for others to use - and they did - by the hundreds. People want healthy hobbies for their kids - ones that will help them learn in many fields of study. What better than rockhounding for that? Look at the fields of study it leads into - many earth sciences and many skills. It also takes the families outside into the wilds where they be taught some respect for nature that is severely lacking these days. Anyway - people are interested in finding ways to get their kids into something healthy. From my experience, when you show an adult a great rock, "what is it worth" is one of the first questions - but if you show the same rock to a kid, they are fascinated with the color and the patterns and wonder how you knew where to look for it, etc. Kids still have a chance to make a difference and see the hobby and the stones, fossils, and artifacts for what they are and appreciate them for the beauty and the learning they offer to us. It is of vital importance that we reach the children. If you have a great collection, make arrangements to show it at a school. Get with scout leaders, PTA's, and anywhere else that support family activities and interests. If the general public is hit hard enough by real rockhounds, who can put the hobbies and trades in real perspective the shows that sensationalize the stones won't go as far, but the kids interests will. -- Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com From teyancey at bubbleator.drizzle.com Sun Feb 4 05:08:35 2007 From: teyancey at bubbleator.drizzle.com (Thomas Yancey) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:16:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cash and Treasures Shows In-Reply-To: <45C54F7B.1010905@verizon.net> References: <45C54F7B.1010905@verizon.net> Message-ID: Folks, I think the concern over only attracting people to the gemstone and lapidary sites who are interested only in the value of stones they can find obscures the benefits of the Cash and Treasure series of shows. I enjoyed the programs very much. It was a chance to see some well known sites and, most especially, a chance to see some of the well people who are well known and respected in the field. Such as the Geode Kid. Wonderful. I also liked the emphasis on enjoyment that the series captured. The hostess has just the right qualities to show how much fun this type of experience can be. Of course there was an emphasis on value, but it was all done in a light-hearted manner. I think the series was done as well as one could expect for a mass audience. The emphasis was always on Fun and Treasure. That is what we all like about the hobby. Tom Yancey -- Thomas Yancey From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Feb 4 16:31:54 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Feb 4 16:08:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: <20070204043821.KFKT29497.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <45C67572.1691@Tomaszewski.net> Hans, Using grease to seperate diamonds depends on two properties of diamonds. The first is that diamonds are oleophilic -- they like grease. It goes the other direction too, grease sticks to diamonds. Diamonds worn as jewelry pick up grease from skin and the environment (cooking fumes, for example) and need to be cleaned periodically. The second is that diamonds are hydrophobic -- they don't like water. When you wash diamonds in water their surface does not become wet like the other gravel being washed with them. The wet gravel does not stick to grease (water and grease don't like each other), but the dry diamond does. Unfortunately, the process is not foolproof. Some (to many) diamonds coming from matrix will retain a thin surface coating of their matrix. This surface contaminent is wetable, and prevents the diamond from sticking to the grease. BTW, If you want to see if your greased sluice idea works, you can get Teflon PTFE diamond simulant balls from Chemplast that are impregnated with bronze so they have the same specific gravity as diamond, and are etched to match the surface properties of real diamonds. If you can catch the fake plastic diamonds at home, you will be able to catch real diamonds in the field. Kreigh sinico@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: > > Hi all, > > I may have the opportunity to pass via Murfreesboro en route home from Tucson. Having read some of the previous posts about digging/searching procedures, I wonder does anyone on the list know with authority whether (as many others are) the Arkansas diamonds are attracted to grease? If so, perhaps a grease coated mini-sluice might be a useful separation device. > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > at the Learning Center in Tucson > www.electricparklearningcenter.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Feb 4 16:20:23 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Feb 4 16:20:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cultivating Kid's Interest in Rockhounding In-Reply-To: <45C62E64.9090007@rockhoundstation1.com> References: <45C62E64.9090007@rockhoundstation1.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070204134202.042c15b0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I completely agree with the need to reach children. I have done so for years with our public schools and the Lyman Museum here in Hilo (think Orlymanite, named for Orlando Lyman whose collection of minerals and shells is housed there). Unfortunately lately I've had trouble getting the teachers to let me come to their classes. The reason? The No Child Left Behind regulations require them to devote all their time to preparing kids to pass tests in reading and math. They have no space in their schedules for "extras" like rocks and minerals, much less the sessions I used to do on the arts and culture of Japan, China, India and SE Asia. So I've switched to doing enrichment classes after school, primarily for kids whose parents work and can't pick them up until 5pm. Reaching kids through some extra curricular organization that is already established is often the most successful way to go: Boys and Girls clubs, Big Brothers & Sisters, Scouts, and of course, rock and mineral clubs. It's very gratifying to see how kids respond. Thanks to members of this List who have sent me packages of samples to give kids, I can send several hundred kids a year home with a couple of treasures: a quartz crystal, a pyrite nugget, a bit of mica, or a fossil shell, as well a head full of inspiration regarding the wonders of nature. One other point: It always amazes me that parents and teachers often don't think to encourage kids to get involved with the wonders that are right in their back yards---or at least within a short drive from home. For example here in Hawaii when a talk to kids it is rare to find that they have been to Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, or down to see the lava flowing into the ocean. Very few have been to the Ellison Onizuka Visitor Center on the upper slopes of Mauna Kea, or to the Lyman museum. Tourists go to those places, but local families don't. Aloha, Kitty > >It is of vital importance that we reach the children. If you have a great >collection, make >arrangements to show it at a school. Get with scout leaders, PTA's, and >anywhere else that >support family activities and interests. If the general public is hit >hard enough by real rockhounds, who can put the hobbies and trades in real >perspective the shows that sensationalize the stones won't go as far, but >the kids interests will. > >Sally Taylor >webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com >http://www.rockhoundstation1.com From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Feb 4 19:43:37 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 4 19:43:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cultivating Kid's Interest in Rockhounding References: <45C62E64.9090007@rockhoundstation1.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20070204134202.042c15b0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <002d01c748d7$d1bcfa60$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Most of what you say about kids visiting sites and (more recently) the affects of NCLB are well documented pretty much everywhere. It is a virtually unwinnable battle, but that doesn't mean we should try as hard as possible. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cultivating Kid's Interest in Rockhounding >I completely agree with the need to reach children. I have done so for >years with our public schools and the Lyman Museum here in Hilo (think >Orlymanite, named for Orlando Lyman whose collection of minerals and shells >is housed there). > > Unfortunately lately I've had trouble getting the teachers to let me come > to their classes. The reason? The No Child Left Behind regulations > require them to devote all their time to preparing kids to pass tests in > reading and math. They have no space in their schedules for "extras" like > rocks and minerals, much less the sessions I used to do on the arts and > culture of Japan, China, India and SE Asia. > > So I've switched to doing enrichment classes after school, primarily for > kids whose parents work and can't pick them up until 5pm. Reaching kids > through some extra curricular organization that is already established is > often the most successful way to go: Boys and Girls clubs, Big Brothers & > Sisters, Scouts, and of course, rock and mineral clubs. > > It's very gratifying to see how kids respond. Thanks to members of this > List who have sent me packages of samples to give kids, I can send several > hundred kids a year home with a couple of treasures: a quartz crystal, a > pyrite nugget, a bit of mica, or a fossil shell, as well a head full of > inspiration regarding the wonders of nature. > > One other point: It always amazes me that parents and teachers often > don't think to encourage kids to get involved with the wonders that are > right in their back yards---or at least within a short drive from home. > For example here in Hawaii when a talk to kids it is rare to find that > they have been to Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, or down to see the lava > flowing into the ocean. Very few have been to the Ellison Onizuka Visitor > Center on the upper slopes of Mauna Kea, or to the Lyman museum. Tourists > go to those places, but local families don't. > > Aloha, Kitty From anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com Mon Feb 5 23:24:23 2007 From: anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com (Douglas Turet) Date: Mon Feb 5 23:24:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest Message-ID: Hi Alan, I hate to rain on your parade, but I couldn't possibly disagree more than I do with your fatalist perspective on things. My wife is the Fine Arts Chair at one of Boston's most desirable charter schools, an institution which not only has a waiting list twice as long as its student roster, but which didn't have a fine arts program, at all, until it hired her from a school in Europe to come over and create one, six years ago. This school is situated in between one of the most run down areas of the city and two of its borderline suburbs, and its students hail from the same neighborhoods whose names are regularly featured on the 11:00 news for their drug- and gang-related violent crimes. And yet, 98% of its students pass the state's mandatory exams, and 100% go on to the colleges or vocational schools of their choice, all because no one at the school ever tells them that they can't -- and everyone assures them that they can. In addition to blowing the NCLB stats right out the door, these kids (whose grade levels range from elementary through high school) are taught to develop their own personal life game plans, with pre-vocational experiments in numerous fields, such that when they finally graduate and evolve to the next stage of their educations, they are leaps and bounds beyond the majority of their classmates in insight, discipline and social skills. Oh, and many of them represent the first generations of their respective family members to graduate from high school, not to mention college. And as for those field trips that Kitty mentioned, my wife takes about two dozen of "her" kids -- who've banded together to launch a registered branch of the National Thespian Society -- on three-day outings to Manhattan, to experience the magic of Broadway, firsthand. And the Chinese teacher (Mandarin is one of the two language choices all students must take) arranges for her top performers to spend work-study periods abroad, in mainland China. Again, these are inner city kids from Boston's toughest neighborhoods we're talking about. Similarly, the school's science teacher(s) bring students to the New England Aquarium, local quaries and other relevant sites, to expand their horizons with senses of the applications of their homework, rather than just shining them on and telling them to turn to the next page, as so many teachers do. And each year, it becomes my distinct privilege to donate my time to this school's annual Career Day, in which caring and concerned community members spend an entire workday presenting seminars and workshops on their respective careers, to bright, eager and extremely inquisitive schoolkids; kids whose eyes are open, minds are thirsting for possibilities for their own futures or those of their peers, and who only need the sparks of inspiration we adults, alone, are in position to offer, to lead them forward! So, Alan, when you write of the inevitability of it all, as if it's a done deal, I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. You see, I happen to believe differently, and I'm very honored to be married to an educational "white tornado", who not only feels as I do, but has a track record of doing something about it, on both coasts of the US, in Europe and in South America. Is it hard? Sure. But which tasks worth tackling aren't hard? Back in the post-war glory days of our country's scientific growth, a sense of possibility permeated much of the curricula, and field trips like these were happenstance. They still can be -- and their results can still cause echoes that reverberate for decades in the minds of the children lucky enough to be exposed to them -- but only if we, the "kids" from those bygone days, dare to share the kinds of inspirations that inspired us to reach for our own accomplishments. If you neglect to provide even that much, and you take on airs of either fatalism or defeatism, just what is it that you're really teaching? (And are you really surprised when those who study under you accept it as "fact"?) Again, I hate to rain on your parade, but I think these concepts merit consideration. Best wishes,, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com All the best, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com Tue Feb 6 08:15:57 2007 From: anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com (Douglas Turet) Date: Tue Feb 6 08:16:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] California collecting spots? Message-ID: Hi everyone, My wife and I are beginning to plan our summer vacation, and thought it'd be nice to start and end it at her folks place, in the Monterey Bay area of northern, CA, and insert a day or two of mineral collecting into the mix. The question is, are there any collecting sites in that area that are safe enough that can we take our three year-old daughter with us? (She's already become quite the "pretty rock and pebble" collector, leading me to wonder if some aspect of what we all do is heritable!) Anyhow, have any of you been to any collecting sites within, say, three hours of Santa Cruz, that might fit that bill? At her age, I'm even willing to consider one of those salted, roadside "gem mine" sluiceboxes that we all love to hate, since it'd give her the thrill of finding something pretty, firsthand, without having to manipulate heavy (or potentially dangerous) tools, at this stage of the game. Suggestions, anyone? All the best, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Feb 6 09:17:41 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Feb 6 09:16:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] California collecting spots? References: Message-ID: <000501c74a12$b5da5540$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Doug, If you only have an afternoon, go to one of the beaches south of Monterey like Jade Cove or like Limekiln Creek south of Lucia. If you yourself want to do some collecting I would go to Clear Creek and search in Clear Creek starting at the campground on up the creek. You can find Jadeite, Uvaravite, Plasma agate, Actinolite, Magnesite, etc, etc. Check out Mindat for all the minerals that are available at Clear Creek. There are also many pretty rocks available for your daughter. I would not camp at the campground unless you don't mind sharing it with many off road motorcyclists, mostly on the weekends. They are friendly folks. It is just disconcerting for some people to have a lot of motorcycles roaring around. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Turet To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] California collecting spots? > Hi everyone, > > My wife and I are beginning to plan our summer vacation, and thought > it'd be nice to start and end it at her folks place, in the Monterey Bay > area of northern, CA, and insert a day or two of mineral collecting into the > mix. The question is, are there any collecting sites in that area that are > safe enough that can we take our three year-old daughter with us? (She's > already become quite the "pretty rock and pebble" collector, leading me to > wonder if some aspect of what we all do is heritable!) > Anyhow, have any of you been to any collecting sites within, say, three > hours of Santa Cruz, that might fit that bill? At her age, I'm even willing > to consider one of those salted, roadside "gem mine" sluiceboxes that we all > love to hate, since it'd give her the thrill of finding something pretty, > firsthand, without having to manipulate heavy (or potentially dangerous) > tools, at this stage of the game. Suggestions, anyone? > > > > All the best, > Doug > > Douglas Turet, GJ > Turet Design, LLC > P. O. Box 242 > Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. > Tel. (508) 586-5690 > Fax: (508) 586-5677 > Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://ima gine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/07 > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Feb 6 17:34:01 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Feb 6 17:34:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest References: Message-ID: <000401c74a58$0bcf4920$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Hi Doug, I applaude your wife working at one sounds like one of the best schools in the country. You indeed have rosy glasses to look through. Congratulations on your good fortune! My dad was one of those great teachers who developed some programs adopted state-wide over his 40+ year career. As a 6th grade teacher, he created multi-day outdoor environmental camps at parks in 1960 that were adopted across Indiana within 5 years and still go on today (albeit on a much smaller scale). His class had its own real branch of the teachers credit union -- real world experiences in running a bank! In the Indiana and Kentucky, the bulk of our schools tend to be in the lower echelons. We tend to have a different outlook. Sure, we get the occasional school where the teachers and students are operating on all cylinders, but that is not as often as I (and everyone else I know) would like to see. Our local school district, the 27th largest in the country, has over 5,000 homeless kids, not all eat breakfast. How can they learn on an empty stomach? College? No one in their family graduated high school! I have worked with kids, who while on our fossil beds, got scared because they had never been in wide open spaces before! I've dealt with more teachers who can't follow simple instructions than I can possibly remember. They interupt our educational programs with idle chatter with chaperons. We get P.E. teachers taking my earth science professional development sessions because they can. We have large numbers of elementary school teachers who are afraid of science - never had it college. I see first hand why the U.S. is falling behind the rest of the developed world in math and science! There are exceptions, but they are all too infrequent. By the way Doug, I interact with between 500 and 900 teachers each year. I also have a daughter in high school. My wife has been volunteering at schools our daughter has been at for years. The horror stories from middle school are enough to want to fire most of the faculty and start all over. I have a degree in teaching and when I went through the school of education about 20 years ago I found it wanting. Luckily I ended up doing what I wanted - teaching in a museum. I've talked with museum peers at conferences all over the country - including the Association of Science & Technology Center's annual conference held in Louisville last October. NCLB is a big issue with science museums. My problems are echoed with every museum educator I've talked to. No exceptions! Now you know why I exude pessimism! Having said that, I will again say that volunteering in a museum - or a school - can be very helpful. Donating a collections of rocks, minerals and fossils will help, but you had better make sure the teacher knows what to do with them. Many don't! Talk with the science curriculum chairperson or lead science educators in the nearest school to find if you can fulfill any of their needs. If you don't have a local museum with collections - become the museum! Develop that relationship to bring material to school when the appropriate lessons are being taught. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Turet" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest > Hi Alan, > > I hate to rain on your parade, but I couldn't possibly disagree more > than I do with your fatalist perspective on things. My wife is the Fine > Arts Chair at one of Boston's most desirable charter schools, an > institution which not only has a waiting list twice as long as its student > roster, but which didn't have a fine arts program, at all, until it hired > her from a school in Europe to come over and create one, six years ago. > This school is situated in between one of the most run down areas of the > city and two of its borderline suburbs, and its students hail from the > same neighborhoods whose names are regularly featured on the 11:00 news > for their drug- and gang-related violent crimes. And yet, 98% of its > students pass the state's mandatory exams, and 100% go on to the colleges > or vocational schools of their choice, all because no one at the school > ever tells them that they can't -- and everyone assures them that they > can. > In addition to blowing the NCLB stats right out the door, these kids > (whose grade levels range from elementary through high school) are taught > to develop their own personal life game plans, with pre-vocational > experiments in numerous fields, such that when they finally graduate and > evolve to the next stage of their educations, they are leaps and bounds > beyond the majority of their classmates in insight, discipline and social > skills. Oh, and many of them represent the first generations of their > respective family members to graduate from high school, not to mention > college. And as for those field trips that Kitty mentioned, my wife takes > about two dozen of "her" kids -- who've banded together to launch a > registered branch of the National Thespian Society -- on three-day outings > to Manhattan, to experience the magic of Broadway, firsthand. And the > Chinese teacher (Mandarin is one of the two language choices all students > must take) arranges for her top performers to spend work-study periods > abroad, in mainland China. Again, these are inner city kids from Boston's > toughest neighborhoods we're talking about. Similarly, the school's > science teacher(s) bring students to the New England Aquarium, local > quaries and other relevant sites, to expand their horizons with senses of > the applications of their homework, rather than just shining them on and > telling them to turn to the next page, as so many teachers do. > And each year, it becomes my distinct privilege to donate my time to > this school's annual Career Day, in which caring and concerned community > members spend an entire workday presenting seminars and workshops on their > respective careers, to bright, eager and extremely inquisitive schoolkids; > kids whose eyes are open, minds are thirsting for possibilities for their > own futures or those of their peers, and who only need the sparks of > inspiration we adults, alone, are in position to offer, to lead them > forward! > So, Alan, when you write of the inevitability of it all, as if it's a > done deal, I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. You see, I happen to > believe differently, and I'm very honored to be married to an educational > "white tornado", who not only feels as I do, but has a track record of > doing something about it, on both coasts of the US, in Europe and in South > America. Is it hard? Sure. But which tasks worth tackling aren't hard? > Back in the post-war glory days of our country's scientific growth, a > sense of possibility permeated much of the curricula, and field trips like > these were happenstance. They still can be -- and their results can still > cause echoes that reverberate for decades in the minds of the children > lucky enough to be exposed to them -- but only if we, the "kids" from > those bygone days, dare to share the kinds of inspirations that inspired > us to reach for our own accomplishments. If you neglect to provide even > that much, and you take on airs of either fatalism or defeatism, just what > is it that you're really teaching? (And are you really surprised when > those who study under you accept it as "fact"?) > Again, I hate to rain on your parade, but I think these concepts merit > consideration. > > > Best wishes,, > Doug > > Douglas Turet, GJ > Turet Design, LLC > P. O. Box 242 > Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. > Tel. (508) 586-5690 > Fax: (508) 586-5677 > Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com > > > > > All the best, > Doug > > Douglas Turet, GJ > Turet Design, LLC > P. O. Box 242 > Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. > Tel. (508) 586-5690 > Fax: (508) 586-5677 > Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mineral.maertens at att.net Tue Feb 6 18:32:08 2007 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Tue Feb 6 18:34:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Australian Journal for Mineralogy volume 12 No. 1 June 2006 - inquiry In-Reply-To: <200701170206.l0H26fAC003073@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: The nearby university libraries do not have the Australian Journal for Mineralogy on their shelves Could you scan and e-mail the article on "Curious calcite morphology (pseudoctaeder)" Do you have calcite to swap? Let me know. Thank you. Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net calcite4ever at gmail dot com Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 6 20:21:20 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 6 19:50:49 2007 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest References: Message-ID: <45C94C8C.5279@Tomaszewski.net> Doug, I agree with you that there are some outstanding, and highly successful, teachers, schools, institutions, and programs, available. My 'Sherman Tank' wife and I have found many of them trying to raise the children that have been in our care. Unfortunately, the good teachers have been few and far between, and hard to find, in our experience. As Foster Parents for more than 20 years we have had to deal with the Public Schools on a nearly daily basis. By choice (and the Grace of God) our birth children, and many of our foster children, have been in Private/Church Schools (they have their problems too, but {much} less of them than the pubic institutions). I've been giving rockhonding talks in (public and private) classrooms nearly twice as long as I've been a parent. I come from a family of educators (and have spent time teaching professionally, and served on a School Board). The average teacher is undertrained at best. I wish more teachers looked at what is working instead of what is new. I appreciate your optimism, and wish I could share it, but my personal experience suggests the opposit. Changes need to be made. Kreigh Douglas Turet wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > I hate to rain on your parade, but I couldn't possibly disagree more than > I do with your fatalist perspective on things. My wife is the Fine Arts > Chair at one of Boston's most desirable charter schools, an institution > which not only has a waiting list twice as long as its student roster, but > which didn't have a fine arts program, at all, until it hired her from a > school in Europe to come over and create one, six years ago. This school is > situated in between one of the most run down areas of the city and two of > its borderline suburbs, and its students hail from the same neighborhoods > whose names are regularly featured on the 11:00 news for their drug- and > gang-related violent crimes. And yet, 98% of its students pass the state's > mandatory exams, and 100% go on to the colleges or vocational schools of > their choice, all because no one at the school ever tells them that they > can't -- and everyone assures them that they can. > In addition to blowing the NCLB stats right out the door, these kids > (whose grade levels range from elementary through high school) are taught to > develop their own personal life game plans, with pre-vocational experiments > in numerous fields, such that when they finally graduate and evolve to the > next stage of their educations, they are leaps and bounds beyond the > majority of their classmates in insight, discipline and social skills. Oh, > and many of them represent the first generations of their respective family > members to graduate from high school, not to mention college. And as for > those field trips that Kitty mentioned, my wife takes about two dozen of > "her" kids -- who've banded together to launch a registered branch of the > National Thespian Society -- on three-day outings to Manhattan, to > experience the magic of Broadway, firsthand. And the Chinese teacher > (Mandarin is one of the two language choices all students must take) > arranges for her top performers to spend work-study periods abroad, in > mainland China. Again, these are inner city kids from Boston's toughest > neighborhoods we're talking about. Similarly, the school's science > teacher(s) bring students to the New England Aquarium, local quaries and > other relevant sites, to expand their horizons with senses of the > applications of their homework, rather than just shining them on and telling > them to turn to the next page, as so many teachers do. > And each year, it becomes my distinct privilege to donate my time to > this school's annual Career Day, in which caring and concerned community > members spend an entire workday presenting seminars and workshops on their > respective careers, to bright, eager and extremely inquisitive schoolkids; > kids whose eyes are open, minds are thirsting for possibilities for their > own futures or those of their peers, and who only need the sparks of > inspiration we adults, alone, are in position to offer, to lead them > forward! > So, Alan, when you write of the inevitability of it all, as if it's a > done deal, I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. You see, I happen to > believe differently, and I'm very honored to be married to an educational > "white tornado", who not only feels as I do, but has a track record of doing > something about it, on both coasts of the US, in Europe and in South > America. Is it hard? Sure. But which tasks worth tackling aren't hard? Back > in the post-war glory days of our country's scientific growth, a sense of > possibility permeated much of the curricula, and field trips like these were > happenstance. They still can be -- and their results can still cause echoes > that reverberate for decades in the minds of the children lucky enough to be > exposed to them -- but only if we, the "kids" from those bygone days, dare > to share the kinds of inspirations that inspired us to reach for our own > accomplishments. If you neglect to provide even that much, and you take on > airs of either fatalism or defeatism, just what is it that you're really > teaching? (And are you really surprised when those who study under you > accept it as "fact"?) > Again, I hate to rain on your parade, but I think these concepts merit > consideration. > > Best wishes,, > Doug From anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com Tue Feb 6 22:13:21 2007 From: anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com (Douglas Turet) Date: Tue Feb 6 22:13:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Cultivating kids' interest Message-ID: Hi again, Alan, You're right, that sure does sound dreary, and I'm glad you were able to find an educational setting that both suits your needs so well, and lets you reach the students you'd hoped for. But, as for my rosy glasses and my wife's school, what you may have missed from my letter is the fact that the kids your schools have and the kids who enter my wife's school are from the exact same destitute eschelons of society, with broken homes, parents who are illiterate, barely literate or high school dropouts, homelessness, violent crime and drugs all playing prominent roles in many of their lives. The backgrounds are the same, the kids and parents are the same, but the results are different. How can this be? Well, to quote from Emerson, "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters, compared to what lies within us". At this school, the kids who come to school hungry are fed; those who cannot afford to bring or buy their lunches are sponsored by the efforts of the school's full-time, salaried fundraiser, and in order to maintain the self-esteem levels of all of the kids, equally, parents who can afford lunches are billed for them monthly, out of view of their children, so no child is ever made to feel 'less-than-equal" to any of his or her peers. It's a Japanese "intertwined community" philosophy, applied to an inner city American academic setting, and it works. Children and their teachers are regularly singled-out for their 'never-say-die' (or "Gam-battei") spirit, in the midst of whole school assemblies, and such arcane concepts as self discipline, respect for one's elders, creative problem-solving and community building are taught, encouraged and publicly rewarded. Do lousy teachers exist in this environment? Of course they do, but not for very long, because this school demands the utmost of all of its members, and those who cannot or will not contribute are quickly invited to consider alternative environments by both peers and supervisors. Also, teachers' pay scales are partially merit-based, with significant portions of each teacher's income based upon the earning (or not!) of bonuses, each of which are dependent upon their charges' achievements at different points throughout the year. If a teacher wants to 'coast', he or she can, for awhile, but their lifestyles will reflect it, and since there are no guarantees of tenure, slackers are rarely invited to return. Unforunately, as a professional gemstone cutter with a very busy schedule, I can't very easily (or safely) "be the museum" to many of these kids, but there are many pairs of eyes in which I get to see the proverbial lights go on, year after year, and between my private students and my wife's public ones, there have been more than a handful who've gone on to become members of our sort of 'educational extended family', through the years. Again, Meegan works at a charter school, not a traditional public high school; her school was founded by educators and community leaders who were fed up with the "status quo" as you (and, previously, they had) experienced it, and took a stand. The issue is not that my glasses are so rosy that I can't see the challenges that your community faces, but that yours are so clouded that you can't envision the solutions ours have created -- and all in less than a decade, I might add. The great quandary of modern education, it would seem, is in league with the old riddle about how many psychiatrists it takes to change a lightbulb. (A: "Only one, but first it has to _want_ to change!") Or, as a quote I once read from a fortune cookie suggested, "He who argues for his shortcomings gets to keep them." Put another way, I would submit that the extent to which I seem utterly delusional, when suggesting that there really isn't any shortfall in the number of kids interested in mineralogy or gemology, is the exact same extent to which others have given up on the possibility of reaching out to the seemingly disinterested kids around them. The problem isn't that the kids have given up, but that, more often than not, their role models have, and all they see when they look around themselves, are examples of adults who've become unwilling to try new approaches, when the old ones have failed. (And, G-d, I hope that others realize that before and more generations are lost.) All the best, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From Alpen at aol.com Wed Feb 7 07:58:39 2007 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 7 07:58:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grants, New Mexico collecting spots Message-ID: Hi all, I'm heading from Denver to Grants, New Mexico (about an hour west of Albuquerque) the 16th of February and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions of interesting collecting sites either on the way or around Grants. I know Mt. Taylor is an old extinct volcano and I understand there are rhyolite deposits around the area, so I'm guessing there may be some fun things to find. I know some areas will be limited because of snow, but hopefully lower elevations will be clear to poke around. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Eric Littleton, CO --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 7 20:43:26 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 7 20:43:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy Message-ID: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. In my opinion... Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings with their parents. Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become recruiters for the Club. Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new content. Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are kid, and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the Club don't want to visit again. Thriving Clubs have an annual show. Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local classrooms on a regular basis. Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and new members, and the most experienced members. Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members can talk between meetings. Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own families). How do we keep our Club's alive? Kreigh From anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com Wed Feb 7 22:20:14 2007 From: anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com (Douglas Turet) Date: Wed Feb 7 22:20:17 2007 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest Message-ID: Hi Kreigh, After years of reading, considering and enjoying your posts on the various mineral- and gem-related lists, I really appreciate your input here, too. You know, before I began my current lapidary business, back in 1985, I was employed as a performing musician and music teacher for the better part of a decade. Perhaps it is because I never worked within the constraints of the public school system that my beliefs evolved into what they are, today, but it was my experience that while the vast majority of teachers were about as exciting -- and excited by their work -- as stale toast, there was always a small, but meaningful percentage whose charismatic approaches to their chosen subject matter really lit some fires under the butts -- and in the minds -- of their charges. Perhaps I was unusually blessed, but I was lucky enough to have gravitated into the classrooms of six or eight such educators between fourth and twelfth grades, and two or three more, after that. But, if others are not experiencing this in their classrooms, then it'd be my guess that the answers most likely lie in both finding meaningful ways of reaching out to the kids' role models -- their parents and guardians -- and finding equally meaningful ways of "inspiring the inspirations" (i.e. getting the teachers re-inspired). If the onus is placed on the kids, alone, without first reinvigorationg those around them, then I'd expect the results to be about what you and Alan have reported. For example, consider the approaches of two schools of comedians -- I know, not necessarily the most appropos metaphor (or is it?), but bear with me, for a moment... If you juxtapose the deliveries of that monotonous comedian (whose name escapes me, at the moment, but) who's done the Visine commercials, for the last several years, with those of someone a bit more challenging and cerebral, like George Carlin or Dennis Miller (regardless of what you think of their subject matter), and ask yourself which of these your average kid would be more likely to learn from and be inspired by, I think the question would immediately become moot. So, if we approach kids from a perspective of the same old, same old, I'd think you could just about base an insurance policy on the predictability of the results. By the same token, if you came at them with a more challenging proposition, like, "Okay, gang: who here knows where 'bling' comes from? What if there was a way you could learn more about those flashy rocks you've seen your favorite rock and rap stars wearing, and get ahead in my class, all at the same time?" In other words, _frame_ the subject matter you want to convey within a context that means something to your audience! Advertisers and their agencies know this well enough: just look at the current genre of deoderant commercials (i.e. "body shots") and/or Victoria's Secret spots, if you have even the vaguest semblance of doubt. If we want to "sell" the kids on the notion that rockhounding stands to bear some value to them, all we need do is find the subcontextual kernel of that value within the framework of what matters to them, and redirect the conversation in a way that makes them want to listen! Just as the easiest way to deflate an argument with a belligerent teenager is to come out of left field by agreeing with him, the easiest way to reach the maximum number of teenagers and pre-teens with any other topic is to make it agree with them and their values and lifestyle. But, if no one bothers to do that, then yes, I'm afraid that you and Alan, and all of the others who say it can't be done are 100%, incontrovertibly correct. Mineralogy is dead, and so is biology, and math, and English, political science, any and all genres of craftsmanship, etc., because "these kids, today... I tell ya, there's just no gettin' through ta them..." (And I guess that that means that we should all just go home, because there's no way we can make a difference anymore, right?) When I read or hear defeatist sentiments like those, it makes my skin crawl, because what it's really saying is that those who 'hold those truths to be self-evident' have burned out to the extent that they're doing considerably more harm than good, and realy need to start looking at other career options, before their pessimistic attitudes dissuade the kids any further. And why do I take such a confrontational stand on these things? Because I was one of those kids. And most of my teachers felt exactly as beaten down by the standard approaches as I'm hearing here. I vividly remember one of them telling my folks, when I was in third grade, that the best thing they could do for themselves would be to send me off to one of those places where 'unwanted kids' are sent, and just go on with their lives. But a year later, a teacher who felt as I do reached out to me, and a handful of other kids, in a language we all understood, and made it clear to us that there were many seats at the proverbial educational table. I had always been inquisitive before that, but Mr. Bardo's example set me on fire, and I've spent the ensuing four decades paying that debt forward. If we want to cultivate kids' interest in rockhounding, or woodworking, of archaeology, or any of a thousand other pastimes, all any of us really need do is ask a few questions about what matters to them, then show them how they can meet their needs through what we have to offer them. Is that really so hard -- taking the time to ask? All the best, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From brenick at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 06:29:24 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Thu Feb 8 06:29:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy In-Reply-To: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <97175ae90702080629t224b4af4qcc86aad19e652551@mail.gmail.com> May I use this? (with minor editing to fit the newletter instead of the list) On 2/7/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > In my opinion... > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings > with their parents. > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > recruiters for the Club. > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > content. > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are > kid, > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > Club don't want to visit again. > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > classrooms on a regular basis. > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > new members, and the most experienced members. > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > can talk between meetings. > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > families). > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From edben at prodigy.net Thu Feb 8 07:05:59 2007 From: edben at prodigy.net (edben) Date: Thu Feb 8 07:06:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90702080629t224b4af4qcc86aad19e652551@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c74b92$a711f9b0$c23c9e04@benjamin> Yes! Of course! That was my whole idea. Just give Kreigh and Drizzle full credits. You can always use stuff from "Drizzle", but do your best to be sure that all authors get a copy of the newsletter with their "article" in it. It's an "everybody wins situation". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy > May I use this? (with minor editing to fit the newletter instead of the > list) From albalmer at att.net Thu Feb 8 07:50:00 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Feb 8 07:50:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy In-Reply-To: <000901c74b92$a711f9b0$c23c9e04@benjamin> References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90702080629t224b4af4qcc86aad19e652551@mail.gmail.com> <000901c74b92$a711f9b0$c23c9e04@benjamin> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:05:59 -0500, "edben" wrote: >Yes! Of course! That was my whole idea. Just give Kreigh and Drizzle full >credits. You can always use stuff from "Drizzle", That's not really true. Copyright is retained by the author. It's not only polite, but legally required that you obtain permission to use material found on the list. Even if you have permission, it's also polite to show the original author any changes you might make before publication. If you write something with the express intention that it be reprinted in newsletters, it would save trouble to declare that in your message. I have even seen some contributors put a "permission to reprint" in their standard signature block. I know, this seems like fuss over nothing, and 99% of contributors here don't care, but we have had instances in the past where people were upset that their writing appeared in unexpected places (like ads for competitors!), and it's much easier to ask permission than try to defend yourself if you don't. Besides, it's common courtesy. > but do your best to be >sure that all authors get a copy of the newsletter with their "article" in >it. It's an "everybody wins situation". > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:29 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy > > >> May I use this? (with minor editing to fit the newletter instead of the >> list) -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Thu Feb 8 08:16:23 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Thu Feb 8 08:16:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c74b9c$8b5f04b0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Even if you have permission, it's also polite to show the original author any changes you might make before publication. I'll echo that, Al!! Not only is this common courtesy, but it's doubly important for informal publications like club bulletins, where well-meaning editors, most of whom were not formally trained for that position, sometimes introduce mistakes that weren't there originally. The mistakes, of course, are then "credited" to the author, for it's his or her name on the article. That can make an author reluctant to release written material to the next person who asks. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu Feb 8 10:01:03 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:01:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy In-Reply-To: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <005f01c74ba8$73bf8a30$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Kreigh: I'd like to throw out some thoughts here. Several years ago when Rockhounds@drizzle thoroughly thrashed out the rock club dilemma question, I agreed with the final consensus, which as I remember was very similar to your ideal club summary. Since then, I feel somewhat enlightened and in my opinion, a rock clubs thriving or declining is directly related to their outdoor activity level; or to be blunt, more action less talk. I belong to the RGMS (Richmond Gem and Mineral Society). I think they are a very good club. I like them and the members very much and I try to steer anybody in the area that is interested in rocks towards them. They meet the definition for a basic rock club; meetings every month, scheduled activities for kids, wide range of speakers, digs where kids can participate... In my opinion, there are very few kids that attend the meetings and club digs usually have very few kids attend, though there are exceptions like the Morefield mine trip last year. Put another way; my kids refuse to attend the meetings and only occasionally attend their field trips. Personally, I and my sons have gone on more rock hunting trips that were non-club related than club sponsored. I also belong to another rockhounds group called MAGMA (Mountain Area Gem and Mineral Association). The hub of this group is in North Carolina. They started small and now have over 600 members of all ages across a number of states. http://dirtyrockhounds.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=displa y&thread=1170460142. This club is growing by leaps and bounds. The official slogan of this group is 99% digging 1% talk. Meetings are online in their email forum and on the digs, with several of the digs each year being an "official" get together of the potluck picnic variety. People share information, ideas and talents and help each other during the digs and after. The club publishes their field trip reports online, usually within days of the dig http://www.wncrocks.com/magma/fieldtrips3.htm. I consider this club to be flourishing. In my opinion: the first club is a bore to today's youth and young adults. Action is minimal, bureaucracy level is high, average age of members is frankly advanced; communications between members and the club is, well, old fashioned. The second club is dynamic. This is best expressed when a person (child or adult) has a question. The question can be about a rock, how to find the rock, how or where to cut/set a rock. The person asks and is directed to someone who can answer, that is present at the time. This is one of the things that really grabs a person's attention, knowledge about the rock in hand or how to find and get the rock in hand right now, outdoors. There are no speakers, there are no shows, there are no programs, and email address exchange is absolute. You join the club via email and all trips are announced via email. Communications between members is fostered via a dynamic online forum where you can get interaction hourly, daily, or however often you desire. Questions can be posted and rapid answers received. Contrast that process to the monthly newsletter and monthly meeting approach of RGMS and many/most other rock clubs. Which would anybody rather have? Logically, I still agree with the club components and action list you post; and I believe you are also suggesting these items need to be dynamic, interactive and active. We both believe everyone today spends far too much time on their butts and listening indoors. My new thought, courtesy of MAGMA, is that we need to focus on getting people outside and involved; meetings, speakers and shows are secondary and should not get in the way of getting them outside rock hunting. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:43 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Cc: archive@Tomaszewski.net Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. In my opinion... Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings with their parents. Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become recruiters for the Club. Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new content. Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are kid, and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the Club don't want to visit again. Thriving Clubs have an annual show. Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local classrooms on a regular basis. Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and new members, and the most experienced members. Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members can talk between meetings. Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own families). How do we keep our Club's alive? Kreigh -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Feb 8 09:56:04 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:03:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter / helping museums survive References: <20070204150939.35873.qmail@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001401c74876$387c75d0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000201c74bb3$ca605ad0$554ed0c4@private7mvzgzc> Quite an interesting discussion at the moment. When I retired from my normal job as an engineer a the local Iron and Steel Works in May 1999, I felt that I should put something back into this field which has given me so much pleasure ever since I became a member of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club in March 1965.I volunteered one day per week to work at the Geological Survey Museum here in Pretoria (this houses our National Collection). Starting off, I was kept busy cataloging the back-log of specimens which had accumulated over time.Later on it was only half a day on Thursdays, today it is about three hours per week. Have been involved in various projects at the Museum - special exhibits, revamping of the Dana's classicfication of minerals display, acting as "referee"-when it comes to the purchase of new aquisitions, etc. Because of this service, the South African Micromount Society has the free use of their auditorium once per annum for our ONE-DAY MICROMOUNT WORKSHOP The Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club has its own small display in the museum now, which I try and change every couple of months. This is good publicity for the Club Although I regard this as a job of love, it also broadens one's knowledge of minerals and it is something that I have never regretted having started with. Will carrry on as long as my health allows. Horst-- -- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter / helping museums survive > Jim brings up good points. I think each of us should support - as strongly > as our time and finances allow - the museum that is closest to you that > has a major focus on our interests - be it mineral, fossil, geology, etc. > You should approach the museum to find out their greatest needs. If they > say money, get them to be more specific. They may need funds for a small > construction project or curatorial work where you can assist with > materials and/or time. Or it may be books you can donate. Or money to help > pay the utility bills this month. Or a donation of specimens they can sell > in their gift shop. You may know teachers who could bring a class or a > scout troop to their museum (most have entrance fees and can really use > gift shop sales). > > Many museums have to moved towards entertainment to survive. Like it or > not, most post-baby boomers are not museum people - they want to be > entertained. That is why TV / Hollywood / the Internet are huge > industries! Entertainment helps people escape the drudgeries of real life. > Across the country virtually every museum and cultural site is seeing a > decline in attendence (and those that aren't devote considerably more > resources to marketing than collections). There are not enough of us - > people on this list serve for example - to stop this trend! However if > each us was to devote 10% or 15% of the effort we spend on our hobby to > the nearest museum or site of interest, we could make a difference! YOU > could make a difference! Nate & I shouldn't be the only people regularly > "tooting the horn" for the Clement Museum! > > The Weinman Museum is becoming a 'Tellus' Museum and is shifting to more > of a science/nature history direction. Minerals will remain a core > mission, but it will also include a fossil hall, aeronautical exhibits and > a planetarium if I recall the plans correctly. There is also the Arizona > Mining Museum, Rice Museum, Sternberg Museum, etc., even my place - the > Falls of the Ohio State Park! Some are struggling more than others, but I > don't know a museum in existence that can use volunteer or financial help > from the interested public! > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Daly" > To: "Rockhounds" > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:09 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] SMMP Letter > > >> I've waited a while before jumping in on this because I wanted to think >> about it. >> I think much of the problem lies in many "general purpose" or natural >> history museums losing their focus. I looked up the definition of >> "museum" in a dictionary and nowhere in that definition did I see the >> words "entertain" or "entertainment". Rather, the terms were "acquire", >> "conserve", "exhibit" and the like. In response to economic pressures, >> these museums are trying to compete with Hollywood, television, amusement >> parks, etc. for the consumer's entertainment dollars. This competition is >> not winnable. >> I don't believe any amount of letters will change this course of action. >> I'd recommend throwing our support to those institutions that are >> exclusively or at least primarily mineral-oriented, such as the Sterling >> Hill Museum, the Clement Museum in Kentucky, the Weinman in Georgia. >> These institutions, and more like them, are unlikely to trash their >> mineral holdings. >> Jim Daly > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Thu Feb 8 10:59:24 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:03:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000301c74bb3$d1379b20$554ed0c4@private7mvzgzc> Another very interesting discussion, close to my heart. One item I would like to add to the list is the question of your own Clubhouse. Reading a Newsletter from a club in Australia in the sixties, set me on following this line of thought, right up to fruition. I was elected on to the committee of the Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club in January 1966. Some time after that, a "building levy" was introduced, being part of the annual subscription. At the time it was R1,00 per annum (about 4 US dollars at that time). Over the years, the amount was increased by regular amounts. Then started a long battle with the local City Council. The Council now and again provides properties to Clubs/Organizations on which they could build their own Clubhouses but the building became the property of the City Council, but was rented out a a nominal fee on a lease of thirty years. To cut a very long story short, we eventually were allocated a stand by the Council and the building plans were approved in April 1991. Building commenced towards the end of the year and in June 1992, the Horst Windisch Clubhouse was officially opened (not with some cash-flow problems earlier in 1992, which were solved in a unique manner (details upon request))(and this is not robbing the bank!!) The size of the Clubhouse is 20 x 15 metres; we have three large diamond saws, two trim saws, various grinders (including two diamond wheels), sanding discs and polishing buffs, as well as a large flat lap. A library, silversmithing facilities for 12 members, a loft on which we store our showcases (required for gem and mineral shows), a safe to store native silver, a projector and screen and about 50 plastic chairs (for our meetings); a small mineral museum, refrigerator, telephone, kitchen, ladies and gents toilets; a "scratch patch" outside the Clubhouse, where members can pick and choose polishing material and minerals for free. There are eight parking bays, the rest of the property is covered with lawn and a few flowers and trees. This Clubhouse has since then become the headquarters of the Club. Monthly meetings on the last Monday evening of the month, silversmithing every Thursday evening (3 hours), the lapidary workshop is open every Saturday for seven hours (two teams per day work for 3 1/2 hours todo the sawing and admin work), Swap and Sell every first Saturday of the month, faceting, cabochon and silversmithing courses are held at regular intervals. Our committee meetings are held here, our cabochon competitions are judged here and various ad-hoc social activities (such as barbeques, etc) are organized at fixed intervals. Mineral section meetings are also held on every first Tuesday of the month..I personally open and close the Clubhouse on Wednesdays when the gardener tends to our garden . Ours was the first such Clubhouse for a Gem and Mineral Club to be custom-built in South Africa and our members appreciate this facility which we have created for them.. Another great prerequisite in my opoion is the monthly Newsletter/Bulletin. This is the medium which informs members of what is scheduled for the coming months.(and what has happened recently) I could go on and on with some smaller matters, but the above two, are to my mind, absolutely essential. Horst--- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > In my opinion... > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings > with their parents. > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > recruiters for the Club. > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > content. > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are kid, > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > Club don't want to visit again. > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > classrooms on a regular basis. > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > new members, and the most experienced members. > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > can talk between meetings. > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > families). > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jb_4_u at hotmail.com Thu Feb 8 11:16:18 2007 From: jb_4_u at hotmail.com (Joe bob) Date: Thu Feb 8 11:16:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper Message-ID: I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone can help. First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for gemstones to be in one location and not another. Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than say Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple explanation to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term precious gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight into that. Thanks for the help, Rob _________________________________________________________________ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Feb 8 14:16:15 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Feb 8 14:16:23 2007 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy Message-ID: Very good ideas and tried and true principles all. However, we have encountered a surprising resistance to electronic communication in our local club by some of our long time members. We are working hard to overcome this stumbling block, and are having measurable successes and opening our online presence to most of our members and others. It seems like the old adage that all change is met with resistance, but we really are in a new world of communications technology. How did we get by before? And are all these new media going to keep us away from the field like TV and air conditioning have done? I have personally learned a bunch from you all on this great list. Thanks! And Keep on Diggin'!!! Glenn {:{) > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:01:03 -0800> From: Ted@crystalgems.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:41:54 -0500> > Kreigh:> I'd like to throw out some thoughts here. Several years ago when> Rockhounds@drizzle thoroughly thrashed out the rock club dilemma question, I> agreed with the final consensus, which as I remember was very similar to> your ideal club summary.> > Since then, I feel somewhat enlightened and in my opinion, a rock clubs> thriving or declining is directly related to their outdoor activity level;> or to be blunt, more action less talk.> > I belong to the RGMS (Richmond Gem and Mineral Society). I think they are a> very good club. I like them and the members very much and I try to steer> anybody in the area that is interested in rocks towards them. They meet the> definition for a basic rock club; meetings every month, scheduled activities> for kids, wide range of speakers, digs where kids can participate...> In my opinion, there are very few kids that attend the meetings and club> digs usually have very few kids attend, though there are exceptions like the> Morefield mine trip last year. Put another way; my kids refuse to attend the> meetings and only occasionally attend their field trips. Personally, I and> my sons have gone on more rock hunting trips that were non-club related than> club sponsored.> > I also belong to another rockhounds group called MAGMA (Mountain Area Gem> and Mineral Association). The hub of this group is in North Carolina. They> started small and now have over 600 members of all ages across a number of> states.> http://dirtyrockhounds.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=displa> y&thread=1170460142. This club is growing by leaps and bounds.> The official slogan of this group is 99% digging 1% talk. Meetings are> online in their email forum and on the digs, with several of the digs each> year being an "official" get together of the potluck picnic variety. People> share information, ideas and talents and help each other during the digs and> after. The club publishes their field trip reports online, usually within> days of the dig http://www.wncrocks.com/magma/fieldtrips3.htm.> I consider this club to be flourishing.> > In my opinion: the first club is a bore to today's youth and young adults.> Action is minimal, bureaucracy level is high, average age of members is> frankly advanced; communications between members and the club is, well, old> fashioned.> > The second club is dynamic. This is best expressed when a person (child or> adult) has a question. The question can be about a rock, how to find the> rock, how or where to cut/set a rock. The person asks and is directed to> someone who can answer, that is present at the time. This is one of the> things that really grabs a person's attention, knowledge about the rock in> hand or how to find and get the rock in hand right now, outdoors. There are> no speakers, there are no shows, there are no programs, and email address> exchange is absolute. You join the club via email and all trips are> announced via email. Communications between members is fostered via a> dynamic online forum where you can get interaction hourly, daily, or however> often you desire. Questions can be posted and rapid answers received.> Contrast that process to the monthly newsletter and monthly meeting approach> of RGMS and many/most other rock clubs. Which would anybody rather have?> > Logically, I still agree with the club components and action list you post;> and I believe you are also suggesting these items need to be dynamic,> interactive and active. We both believe everyone today spends far too much> time on their butts and listening indoors. My new thought, courtesy of> MAGMA, is that we need to focus on getting people outside and involved;> meetings, speakers and shows are secondary and should not get in the way of> getting them outside rock hunting.> > Ted Kowalski> Fredericksburg VA USA> > -----Original Message-----> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh> Tomaszewski> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:43 PM> To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors> Cc: archive@Tomaszewski.net> Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy> > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent> themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger.> This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a> personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey.> > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about.> I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some> observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby> continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works.> > In my opinion...> > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings> with their parents.> > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area> presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become> recruiters for the Club.> > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new> content.> > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are kid,> > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the> Club don't want to visit again.> > Thriving Clubs have an annual show.> > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local> classrooms on a regular basis.> > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and> new members, and the most experienced members.> > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members> can talk between meetings.> > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving> Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive?> > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock> Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the> medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the> generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on> the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get> interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own> families).> > How do we keep our Club's alive?> > Kreigh> > --> _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. Try it! _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 8 15:18:50 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:16:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90702080629t224b4af4qcc86aad19e652551@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CBAF34.4B6D@Tomaszewski.net> Please feel free to use it for the newsletter. And that reminds me, I left off one Thriving Clubs regularly publish a newsletter/bulletin. Kreigh Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: > > May I use this? (with minor editing to fit the newletter instead of the > list) > > On 2/7/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > > > In my opinion... > > > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings > > with their parents. > > > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > > recruiters for the Club. > > > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > > content. > > > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are > > kid, > > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > > Club don't want to visit again. > > > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > > classrooms on a regular basis. > > > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > > new members, and the most experienced members. > > > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > > can talk between meetings. > > > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > > families). > > > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > > > Kreigh > > From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Thu Feb 8 15:25:10 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:20:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper References: Message-ID: <004b01c74bd8$60f708d0$c309a118@feldsparflash> Rob, you don't say at what grade you are in. Perhaps you can interview an earth science teacher in your school district. Do some reserach on the types of rock gemstones are found in. This might give you some insight into the reasons gemstones are not found in some areas. Do some reading about pegmatites. Good luck! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe bob" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone can > help. > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than say > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple explanation > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term precious > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight into > that. > > Thanks for the help, > > Rob > > _________________________________________________________________ > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the > Academy Awards? > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Feb 8 17:00:05 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:00:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007401c74be5$a2c25ff0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Members of our club have discussed this on and off for years. These things that come to mind: 1) Strong leadership (the officers and board) - this doesn't mean dictatorial, but having the ability to keep the meetings lively, focused and on-time. Don't be anal about Robert's Rule of Order, but don't have the business meeting in random order or forget to have new business. Excluding the program, don't let one person monopolize any aspect of the general meeting. 2) Keep the politics and personal gripes out of meetings - if person A has a problem with person B - it should not be aired at the meeting! It is up to the president to nip this type of discussion in the bud. 3) Reliable notification of events - not getting the newsletter the day before the meeting (or the day after) and using e-mail as much as practical with a phone chain for those not having e-mail. 4) Diverse programs - cover as many topics as possible - geology is a broad subject and people have different interest levels. 5) If you want kids in the club, either don't meet on a school night or meet reasonably early. Have the program first and then the business meeting. It isn't a big deal if a youngster misses the treasurer's report, old business, or the show chair's report. They didn't join the club for that purpose. It is a problem in the program begins late on the meeting agenda. Remember - fun first, boring last! 6) Try to have as many field trips as possible, but don't be afraid to cancel if the weather is inappropriate for most participants or makes the trip unsafe. 7) Communicate items of interest to the community - meeting notices, special exhibits, photo-ops at schools, shows, etc. People don't learn about a club through osmosis, though dumb luck often plays a significant role. 8) Have sufficient space for meeting so that members don't feel like sardines in a can. Make sure you have physical space to grow if your membership increases. Meet at a place convenient and safe. It must be handicap accessible! 9) Give visitors and kids a gift (i.e. an inexpensive mineral or fossil) when they attend meetings. It will hook them! 10) Keep upbeat - no one wants to join a club with a bunch of whiners and people who have little positive to say about others. 11) Look forward. Don't dwell on the "good old days." New members REALLY don't want to hear about how it was in the good old days. They want to know what the club will be doing next month or in the upcoming year! It would seem clubs are often in decline (I've heard that about our club since 1980), but numbers will fluctuate over time. Ours seems to have a stable at the moment. Oh lurker David, did I miss anything? And to save time of asking to used this, any of the above text can be shared with your club newsletter, forwarded to club officers, etc. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:43 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > In my opinion... > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings > with their parents. > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > recruiters for the Club. > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > content. > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are kid, > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > Club don't want to visit again. > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > classrooms on a regular basis. > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > new members, and the most experienced members. > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > can talk between meetings. > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > families). > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kugeln at msn.com Thu Feb 8 17:03:40 2007 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:03:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper References: Message-ID: "Google" True North Gems for a description of rubies, sapphires, and emeralds in Canada; then search for "diamonds Canada." There are always specifically geological reasons for gemstone occurrences. Search, for example, "diamonds geology." In the U.S. occurrences are in Arkansas, North Carolina, Montana, and a few other places. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe bob" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper >I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area >deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone can >help. > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than say > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple > explanation to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the > term precious gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use > some insight into that. > > Thanks for the help, > > Rob > > _________________________________________________________________ >>From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the > Academy Awards? > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jb_4_u at hotmail.com Thu Feb 8 18:06:43 2007 From: jb_4_u at hotmail.com (Joe bob) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:06:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper In-Reply-To: <004b01c74bd8$60f708d0$c309a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: Well what I am actually looking for are some more basic answers to the questions I posed. It is not incredibly important. My friend is in a sophmore US history class. I am taking economics. He and I are writing a paper together for the classes (with teachers permission) We are writing about the past and future of mining in the US. I was wondering the feasibility of gemstone mining and wether it was even a potential, as most gold mining seems to have died. So really if someone could give me some information directly related to what I posted I would really appreciate it. Or perhaps where to find it. It isn't really worth doing the research into every type of gem and its geology, that would take far to long for half a page to a page worth of text. >From: "Carolyn Reynard" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:25:10 -0500 > >Rob, you don't say at what grade you are in. Perhaps you can interview an >earth science teacher in your school district. Do some reserach on the >types of rock gemstones are found in. This might give you some insight into >the reasons gemstones are not found in some areas. Do some reading about >pegmatites. >Good luck! >Carolyn > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe bob" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:16 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > > > > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area > > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone >can > > help. > > > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than >say > > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple >explanation > > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term >precious > > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight >into > > that. > > > > Thanks for the help, > > > > Rob > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >the > > Academy Awards® > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Valentine’s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Thu Feb 8 18:07:18 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:07:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamond smugglers in Tuscon? Message-ID: Check out the story I found! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17053202/ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Feb 8 18:43:33 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:40:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper References: Message-ID: <45CBDF11.7E41@Tomaszewski.net> Rob, First you have to look at the geological conditions that form each of the different gem materials. Some gemstones, like quartz/amethyst/agate that are formed hydrothermally, are found almost everywhere in the world, and others, like disamonds from kimberlite pipes, are only found in a few specific locations because of the unique geology required for their formation. Secondly you have to look at the quality and quantity of specific deposits. Is it economically worthwhile to mine a deposit? MinDat lists 117 locations where Ruby is found, but less than 10% of those locations produce sufficient quality or quantity to make mining rubies profitable. It is the rareness of quality and quantity that makes a gemstone precious. Kreigh Joe bob wrote: > > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone can > help. > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than say > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple explanation > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term precious > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight into > that. > > Thanks for the help, > > Rob > > _________________________________________________________________ > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the > Academy Awards? > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Thu Feb 8 19:28:59 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Thu Feb 8 19:24:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper References: Message-ID: <001101c74bfa$70680180$c309a118@feldsparflash> Joe bob, your response was rather disappointing. " it isn't really worth doing the research into every type of gem or its geology for a half of page or page worth of text". Get in there and do the work, read, summerize. Define your terms, use a dictionary, what is the title to your paper? outline the idea and do the research. Your questions indicate you have done very little reading on the subject. When you get into it you may find it is really a fascinating subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe bob" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > Well what I am actually looking for are some more basic answers to the > questions I posed. It is not incredibly important. My friend is in a > sophmore US history class. I am taking economics. He and I are writing a > paper together for the classes (with teachers permission) We are writing > about the past and future of mining in the US. I was wondering the > feasibility of gemstone mining and wether it was even a potential, as most > gold mining seems to have died. So really if someone could give me some > information directly related to what I posted I would really appreciate it. > Or perhaps where to find it. It isn't really worth doing the research into > every type of gem and its geology, that would take far to long for half a > page to a page worth of text. > > > >From: "Carolyn Reynard" > >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:25:10 -0500 > > > >Rob, you don't say at what grade you are in. Perhaps you can interview an > >earth science teacher in your school district. Do some reserach on the > >types of rock gemstones are found in. This might give you some insight into > >the reasons gemstones are not found in some areas. Do some reading about > >pegmatites. > >Good luck! > >Carolyn > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joe bob" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:16 PM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > > > > > > > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area > > > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone > >can > > > help. > > > > > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > > > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > > > > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than > >say > > > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > > > > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > > > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > > > > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple > >explanation > > > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term > >precious > > > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight > >into > > > that. > > > > > > Thanks for the help, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to > >the > > > Academy Awards? > > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Valentine?s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From totis99 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 20:25:46 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Thu Feb 8 20:25:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper In-Reply-To: <45CBDF11.7E41@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <512253.571.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's gold and then there are precious gemstones. Both of which are found in practically every state in the U.S. I would suggest you contact your state Geological Society and, if they have one, the State Mining Department, and the BLM. > > > > > Joe bob wrote: > > > > I am helping someone write a paper regarding > mining. My particular area > > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some > information if someone can > > help. > > > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific > geological reason for > > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many > fewer gemstones than say > > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large > of a supply. > > > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? > Such as the west coast or > > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious > gemstone in Oregon? > > > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to > find a simple explanation > > to these questions so any help would be > appreciated. Also the term precious > > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I > could use some insight into > > that. > > > > Thanks for the help, > > > > Rob > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN > Entertainment Guide to the > > Academy Awards? > > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From bobl at peaktopeak.com Thu Feb 8 21:59:11 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Feb 8 21:59:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper In-Reply-To: <001101c74bfa$70680180$c309a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <200702090559.l195xCDS005821@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Carolyn, I'm playing the devil's advocate here. Joe Bob probably doesn't have the time that most older people on this list have. He is in high school and is very busy, at least I would think so. When I was in high school, I didn't have a lot of time to work on a one-page paper. I would spend a couple hours on it, but that's all. At that age, most of us didn't care about what we were studying or writing papers for. It was an assignment and we needed to get it done as soon as possible because there are other assignments to do in the 5 other classes we had. And, some of us had to work while we were in school, so that subtracted from our free time. I'm in my late 30's, so I have more free time to use as I choose (play, hobby, research, whatever). In high school and college, we had to set our own priorities and learn to manage our time. So, Joe Bob is asking for help here on the rockhounds list. It's very similar to going to the BLM and asking for help, but the internet is much easier to access and find people who (seem to) have a clue. Try going to the BLM or USGS and actually talk to a person who knows about this stuff. They are there, but are very busy. Usually too busy for a one-page high school paper. Yes, you can occasionally find the right person who has the info, but you can't count on it (unless you have the right connections which I'm sure several of this list's members have). Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Reynard Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:29 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper Joe bob, your response was rather disappointing. " it isn't really worth doing the research into every type of gem or its geology for a half of page or page worth of text". Get in there and do the work, read, summerize. Define your terms, use a dictionary, what is the title to your paper? outline the idea and do the research. Your questions indicate you have done very little reading on the subject. When you get into it you may find it is really a fascinating subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe bob" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > Well what I am actually looking for are some more basic answers to the > questions I posed. It is not incredibly important. My friend is in a > sophmore US history class. I am taking economics. He and I are writing a > paper together for the classes (with teachers permission) We are writing > about the past and future of mining in the US. I was wondering the > feasibility of gemstone mining and wether it was even a potential, as most > gold mining seems to have died. So really if someone could give me some > information directly related to what I posted I would really appreciate it. > Or perhaps where to find it. It isn't really worth doing the research into > every type of gem and its geology, that would take far to long for half a > page to a page worth of text. > > > >From: "Carolyn Reynard" > >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > >Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:25:10 -0500 > > > >Rob, you don't say at what grade you are in. Perhaps you can interview an > >earth science teacher in your school district. Do some reserach on the > >types of rock gemstones are found in. This might give you some insight into > >the reasons gemstones are not found in some areas. Do some reading about > >pegmatites. > >Good luck! > >Carolyn > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Joe bob" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:16 PM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > > > > > > > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area > > > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone > >can > > > help. > > > > > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > > > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > > > > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than > >say > > > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > > > > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > > > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > > > > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple > >explanation > > > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term > >precious > > > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight > >into > > > that. > > > > > > Thanks for the help, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to > >the > > > Academy AwardsR > > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcod e=wlmtagline > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rocknate at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 05:57:50 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Fri Feb 9 05:57:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy In-Reply-To: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Kreigh, et al I'd like to add to this discussion by saying that I do not think there is a set formula for a club's success. I think that the club I belong to (Boston Mineral Club) is thriving, yet several of the key features that you and others have defined are absent. Our meetings start at 8 PM on a Tuesday evening and thus kids are seldom present at meetings. We do not have a traditional club show. We do not have a formal program to get club members out into classrooms. We do not have a club workshop and very few club members are involved in lapidary work. What we do have is 1. Good meetings that feature a) a live speaker with expertise to share on a topic of interest (this month's meeting was an exploration geologist with slides and stories of 30 years of field work in Columbia) b) a raffle of mineral specimens purchased by the club expressly for this purpose c) a time for food and conversation before the meeting begins d) a library book cart that members can borrow from. e) parking in an underground parking garage (arranged and paid for by the club) 2. an active field trip program from May thru November that includes a) about 10 trips per year with approximately 50% being kid friendly localities b) a variety of collecting opportunities throughout New England c) trips led by several different club members d) one trip a year to a more distant site (last year it was the KY/IL fluorite district, including the Ben Clement Museum) 3. reasonable club communications including a) a website (www.bostonmineralclub.org) with lots of good information available including many past newsletter issues in a members only section b) a monthly newsletter available either electronically or by mail c) an email list server that allows members to send and receive club announcements without publicizing their email addresses 4. special events that include a) an annual auction and party in January that raises money to support club activities (this year we raised about $2800 from this event) b) a "Mineral Madness Festival" done cooperatively with the Harvard Museum of Natural History that reaches out to kids and young families (this year it is on Saturday, 31 March) - where club members set up educational displays throughout the museum - previous year's displays have included fluorescent minerals, microminerals, building a mineral collection (oriented towards kids), mineral identification, tools of the trade, faceting, petrified wood, mineral cleavage, geology of Yellowstone, New England collecting localities, a scavernger hunt to find specific minerals throughout the museum, panning for gold and a club information table; we make no money from this event but the publicity for the club and the hobby is priceless c) an annual mineral specimen competition featuring 10 self-collected categories and 5 open categories (we hold our annual business meeting and election of officers while members votes on the best specimens are counted) d) an annual "show and tell" night in September where members bring in self-collected or purchased specimens and talk about their summer collecting adventures What we do seems to be working for us. Our membership is currently around 270 people and has been growing every year. We also have a strong mix of young and old involved in club activities. Every club is different and you have to start with the primary interests of club members and build from there. Our club has always collectively had a strong interest in field collecting and less interest in lapidary arts. Those interests color what we do as a group. Other clubs with different interests will go in a different direction. Again, there is no fixed prescription for success, but there are some general themes and I think sharing examples of what works for different groups will help to bring those to light. That's why I took the time to write this reply. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 2/7/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > In my opinion... > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending > meetings > with their parents. > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > recruiters for the Club. > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > content. > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are > kid, > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > Club don't want to visit again. > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > classrooms on a regular basis. > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > new members, and the most experienced members. > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > can talk between meetings. > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > families). > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 06:08:05 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 9 06:08:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] meteor in India? Ockham's Razor ignored? Message-ID: The last sentence in this news article would seem to be the most important: < http://www.ibnlive.com/news/meteorite-claims-3-lives-in-rajasthan/33106-3.html > BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Alpen at aol.com Fri Feb 9 06:47:12 2007 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 9 06:47:17 2007 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest Message-ID: Doug, Interesting perspective, and I think you make a good point. The one thing that really stands out to me from what you said is: asking kids questions to find out what's meaningful to them. You're right. IT's the way to connect with anyone- be it an employee, a family member, an "enemy"- anyone we would like to offer something to. By asking great questions, it's amazing how well we can connect with others. With that said, it's not an easy task. Asking questions is one thing, asking great questions is another. And it has to be sincere- or that other person will see right through it. Eric Bindner In a message dated 2/8/2007 7:04:03 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:20:14 -0500 From: "Douglas Turet" Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Cultivating kids' interest To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Kreigh, After years of reading, considering and enjoying your posts on the various mineral- and gem-related lists, I really appreciate your input here, too. You know, before I began my current lapidary business, back in 1985, I was employed as a performing musician and music teacher for the better part of a decade. Perhaps it is because I never worked within the constraints of the public school system that my beliefs evolved into what they are, today, but it was my experience that while the vast majority of teachers were about as exciting -- and excited by their work -- as stale toast, there was always a small, but meaningful percentage whose charismatic approaches to their chosen subject matter really lit some fires under the butts -- and in the minds -- of their charges. Perhaps I was unusually blessed, but I was lucky enough to have gravitated into the classrooms of six or eight such educators between fourth and twelfth grades, and two or three more, after that. But, if others are not experiencing this in their classrooms, then it'd be my guess that the answers most likely lie in both finding meaningful ways of reaching out to the kids' role models -- their parents and guardians -- and finding equally meaningful ways of "inspiring the inspirations" (i.e. getting the teachers re-inspired). If the onus is placed on the kids, alone, without first reinvigorationg those around them, then I'd expect the results to be about what you and Alan have reported. For example, consider the approaches of two schools of comedians -- I know, not necessarily the most appropos metaphor (or is it?), but bear with me, for a moment... If you juxtapose the deliveries of that monotonous comedian (whose name escapes me, at the moment, but) who's done the Visine commercials, for the last several years, with those of someone a bit more challenging and cerebral, like George Carlin or Dennis Miller (regardless of what you think of their subject matter), and ask yourself which of these your average kid would be more likely to learn from and be inspired by, I think the question would immediately become moot. So, if we approach kids from a perspective of the same old, same old, I'd think you could just about base an insurance policy on the predictability of the results. By the same token, if you came at them with a more challenging proposition, like, "Okay, gang: who here knows where 'bling' comes from? What if there was a way you could learn more about those flashy rocks you've seen your favorite rock and rap stars wearing, and get ahead in my class, all at the same time?" In other words, _frame_ the subject matter you want to convey within a context that means something to your audience! Advertisers and their agencies know this well enough: just look at the current genre of deoderant commercials (i.e. "body shots") and/or Victoria's Secret spots, if you have even the vaguest semblance of doubt. If we want to "sell" the kids on the notion that rockhounding stands to bear some value to them, all we need do is find the subcontextual kernel of that value within the framework of what matters to them, and redirect the conversation in a way that makes them want to listen! Just as the easiest way to deflate an argument with a belligerent teenager is to come out of left field by agreeing with him, the easiest way to reach the maximum number of teenagers and pre-teens with any other topic is to make it agree with them and their values and lifestyle. But, if no one bothers to do that, then yes, I'm afraid that you and Alan, and all of the others who say it can't be done are 100%, incontrovertibly correct. Mineralogy is dead, and so is biology, and math, and English, political science, any and all genres of craftsmanship, etc., because "these kids, today... I tell ya, there's just no gettin' through ta them..." (And I guess that that means that we should all just go home, because there's no way we can make a difference anymore, right?) When I read or hear defeatist sentiments like those, it makes my skin crawl, because what it's really saying is that those who 'hold those truths to be self-evident' have burned out to the extent that they're doing considerably more harm than good, and realy need to start looking at other career options, before their pessimistic attitudes dissuade the kids any further. And why do I take such a confrontational stand on these things? Because I was one of those kids. And most of my teachers felt exactly as beaten down by the standard approaches as I'm hearing here. I vividly remember one of them telling my folks, when I was in third grade, that the best thing they could do for themselves would be to send me off to one of those places where 'unwanted kids' are sent, and just go on with their lives. But a year later, a teacher who felt as I do reached out to me, and a handful of other kids, in a language we all understood, and made it clear to us that there were many seats at the proverbial educational table. I had always been inquisitive before that, but Mr. Bardo's example set me on fire, and I've spent the ensuing four decades paying that debt forward. If we want to cultivate kids' interest in rockhounding, or woodworking, of archaeology, or any of a thousand other pastimes, all any of us really need do is ask a few questions about what matters to them, then show them how they can meet their needs through what we have to offer them. Is that really so hard -- taking the time to ask? All the best, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Feb 9 07:35:41 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Fri Feb 9 07:35:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper In-Reply-To: References: <004b01c74bd8$60f708d0$c309a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <004701c74c5b$94b89c50$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Rob: Please do not generalize. I do not know where you have received some of your misconceptions; just be aware they are incorrect. Our email forum can not substitute for legitimate research; but maybe we can help get you started. Yes, there are countries that produce more of a specific gem or valuable mineral than the USA; but that does not mean the USA does not have substantial amounts of that gem or mineral. First let's put things into perspective: Relative sizing; the USA may be a large country but it represents only a small area of the world. One really shouldn't expect the US to have more than its fair share right? http://www.keymath.com/documents/da2/CondensedLessonPlans/DA_CLP_10.pdf Make sure you cut and paste the whole link. Next: many gems and valuable minerals are found in surface deposits; so fresh exposure of material is an asset for locating and mining raw gems. It doesn't mean that they are the only places you can find these gems, it just means they are easier to locate and dig. Fresh exposure of surface area in the world is the result of tectonic action so you will find that many gem producing areas are where the earth is active. As an example; the East coast of the USA has seen at least two mountain growing episodes over the last billion or so years and currently experiences late term erosion of the second episode http://www.eserc.stonybrook.edu/cen514/fall2002/TectonicEvents.html (cut and past the whole link) and http://www.mountain.org/education/search/resdetail.cfm?Resource__resourceID= 507. Yet even today, there are substantial areas of the East Coast where gems are being mined, but consider that most of those mountains have eroded away and lie under sediments. Then there is effort. Taking the East Coast of the USA again, there are substantial reserves of gold from Virginia through Georgia; areas of Pennsylvania can be termed as having platinum ore; only these ore bodies are not high percentage ores and it doesn't make any sense spending more money to recover gold and platinum than you can get for the gold and platinum. Some examples: Be sure to cut and paste whole url links into your browser since splitting the link over several text lines usually breaks the link. Gold: USA is one of the world leaders in gold production. http://www.gold.org/value/markets/supply_demand/mine_production.html Silver: USA is one of the world leaders in silver production. http://www.mapsofworld.com/minerals/world-silver-producers.html Diamonds are one of the exceptions, and it may be, however unlikely, that we just have not discovered all of our kimberlite or lamproite diamond bearing pipes. Especially see figure 2: http://www.geo.tu-freiberg.de/oberseminar/os03_04/norman_fischer.pdf To answer some of your other questions: Oregon does have gemstones. For example; the Oregon state gemstone is sunstone. http://www.dustdevilmining.com/AboutSunstone.asp Or http://highdesertgemsandminerals.com/html/spectrum_sunstone_mines.html and check out http://www.oregongeology.com/sub/learnmore/gems.HTM There are definite geologic reasons that gemstones are found in one area versus another. But one needs to delve into specific gemstones to understand the the geology necessary: for example: pearls are considered gems, but are not formed within the earth; Turquoise is formed within sedimentary rocks; but requires previous geologic processes to emplace the necessary metals; Gold is often of hydrothermal origin and is therefore frequently found in subduction zones. You can find gemstones anywhere; but don't expect to dig up your backyard and find any. There are anomalies of course, but they are pure random events, for example: the Dewey and Punch Jones diamonds http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_5_75/ai_65277662/pg_3 You are absolutely correct; "precious gemstone" is a subjective term. An excerpt from a website helps clarify this: "Two traditional modifiers of gemstones, precious and semi-precious, are mostly discouraged from usage today as they imply one is more beautiful and valuable than another. In part, these designations began as a result of taxation on imported goods, where the highest taxes were paid on diamond, ruby, sapphire, and emerald, and other gems were taxed at a lower rate. Schumann (1997) stated the semi-precious stone designation was derogatory, or believed to denote a gem of lesser value and hardness, but he promoted the term, colored precious stone, as a new trade term used to include all colored and noncolored gems except for diamond (p. 10). All material that fits the definition is referred to as gemstones or gems and subdivided into diamonds and colored stones or colored precious stones." Excerpted from: http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/amber/go340/define.htm As you can see Rob; just trying to list the major areas of your question is much more than half a page. To help address gems we did not cover above, remember that gems are a commodity and the labor of digging, sorting, cutting and setting those gems are major part of a commodities cost; therefore it is only profitable to mine and work these gems where labor costs are much less than high cost developed nations. I Hope your joint paper gets you an A+! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Joe bob Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:07 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper Well what I am actually looking for are some more basic answers to the questions I posed. It is not incredibly important. My friend is in a sophmore US history class. I am taking economics. He and I are writing a paper together for the classes (with teachers permission) We are writing about the past and future of mining in the US. I was wondering the feasibility of gemstone mining and wether it was even a potential, as most gold mining seems to have died. So really if someone could give me some information directly related to what I posted I would really appreciate it. Or perhaps where to find it. It isn't really worth doing the research into every type of gem and its geology, that would take far to long for half a page to a page worth of text. > > > > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area > > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone >can > > help. > > > > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for > > gemstones to be in one location and not another. > > > > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than >say > > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. > > > > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast or > > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? > > > > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple >explanation > > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term >precious > > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight >into > > that. > > From smtravis at plateautel.net Fri Feb 9 09:09:33 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Fri Feb 9 09:11:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper References: Message-ID: <060801c74c6d$12112c10$7a9e5a40@marilyn> There is active "Precious gem" mining in the US Saphires in montana both alluvial and Hard rock Opal in Nevada and that is alluvial and some of the nicest color black opal in the world. Opal mining in California too. More hard rock like in Mexico. by the way you are wrong about the gold mining in the US, it is active in Nevada and I think we the US is third largest or fourth producer of gold in the world. you can check on that in google. Rubys are mined in N. Carolina I have mined them there, also Emeralds some very nice quality. And other gems you never heard of like hiddenite, check emeralds in N. Carolina and rubys in N. Carolina. Diamonds in Arkansas new mines in Colorado and these are Kimberlite pipes ie insitu, although hard rock is not accrate. Alluvial diamonds around the great lakes but not commercial. "Precious" is an archaic term now days for example Fire agate a gem only found in the SW US and Mexico (no where else in the world) is a precious gem but most people outside the lapidary world don't know about it. it is rare and beautiful if well cut. then Turquoise one of the most ancient of precious gems is mined in many states from Arkansas New Mexico Ariz. Nevada CO California and probably Utah too . I don't know if you have your half page or not but a lot of the reasons why the US is not a major gem mining country is due to the draconian environmental and other Federal laws roads in Federal land BLM restrictions etc. other countries do not hamstring there money producing industries the way we do there is still over 90% of the silver and gold in the ground here and in other countries but it is more expensive to mine now . I have forgotten your original questions but if you have more email me off line at smtravis@plateautel.net for more info. Steve Keep on Rockin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe bob" To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper > Well what I am actually looking for are some more basic answers to the > questions I posed. It is not incredibly important. My friend is in a > sophmore US history class. I am taking economics. He and I are writing a > paper together for the classes (with teachers permission) We are writing > about the past and future of mining in the US. I was wondering the > feasibility of gemstone mining and wether it was even a potential, as most > gold mining seems to have died. So really if someone could give me some > information directly related to what I posted I would really appreciate > it. Or perhaps where to find it. It isn't really worth doing the research > into every type of gem and its geology, that would take far to long for > half a page to a page worth of text. > > >>From: "Carolyn Reynard" >>Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper >>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:25:10 -0500 >> >>Rob, you don't say at what grade you are in. Perhaps you can interview an >>earth science teacher in your school district. Do some reserach on the >>types of rock gemstones are found in. This might give you some insight >>into >>the reasons gemstones are not found in some areas. Do some reading about >>pegmatites. >>Good luck! >>Carolyn >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Joe bob" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:16 PM >>Subject: [Rockhounds] I need some help writing a school paper >> >> >> > I am helping someone write a paper regarding mining. My particular area >> > deals with precious gems. I was looking for some information if someone >>can >> > help. >> > >> > First off I was wondering if there is a specific geological reason for >> > gemstones to be in one location and not another. >> > >> > Also why is it that the US seems to have so many fewer gemstones than >>say >> > Africa and Asia? It seems we would have as large of a supply. >> > >> > Finally can you find precious stones anywhere? Such as the west coast >> > or >> > Oregon? And has anyone ever found a precious gemstone in Oregon? >> > >> > I have done a lot of research but I can't seem to find a simple >>explanation >> > to these questions so any help would be appreciated. Also the term >>precious >> > gemstone I guess is a little subjective maybe I could use some insight >>into >> > that. >> > >> > Thanks for the help, >> > >> > Rob >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to >>the >> > Academy Awards? >> > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Valentine's Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From SMKELL45 at aol.com Fri Feb 9 18:05:15 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 9 18:05:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral photography Message-ID: Just a heads-up to anyone interested in improving their mineral photography skills.John Betts will be giving a lecture and demonstration on the subject of digital mineral photography at Vassar College Poughkeepsie, N.Y.,Thursday, February 15 at 7:00 P.M.. It will be at Ely Hall.The public has been invited. He will be discussing the tools and techniques of digital photography. After that he will demonstrate how to manipulate the raw images in Photoshop.An open critique of attendees' CD-ROM attempts will be offered. Then Vassar College Geology Museum will also be opened to the public at this time. The main entrance to the college is off Raymond Avenue. If anyone would like directions you can contact me here or call me at 845-297-0507. For those who don't know of John Bett's work take a look at his website, _www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com_ (http://www.johnbetts-fineminerals.com) smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Feb 9 20:07:16 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Feb 9 20:00:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <45CD435F.3C12@Tomaszewski.net> I accidently left one item off my original list... Thriving Clubs regularly publish a Newsletter/Bulletin. The comments so far, on and off List, consistently suggest I missed... Thriving Clubs do not have a declining membership trend because they continue to reach out for new members. ...and strongly suggest I should have included... Thriving Clubs cultivate an atmosphere of sharing, helping, teaching, and ownership, of Club duties. Thriving Clubs have Officers who cultivate their own replacements on the Board so that regular turnover of responsibility occurs. What else helps in making a Club successful? Kreigh Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > In my opinion... > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings > with their parents. > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > recruiters for the Club. > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > content. > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are kid, > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > Club don't want to visit again. > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > classrooms on a regular basis. > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > new members, and the most experienced members. > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > can talk between meetings. > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > families). > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > Kreigh > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Feb 9 22:24:19 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Feb 9 22:24:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Some Thoughts on What Keeps Rock Clubs Healthy In-Reply-To: <45CD435F.3C12@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45CAAA63.6E0F@Tomaszewski.net> <45CD435F.3C12@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070209193443.041b98c0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I can't put the following observations into "Thriving Clubs..." items, but here they are nonetheless: 1) I like Ted Kowalski's points that getting out into the field and being "modern" are keys; spend as little time as possible in organization/business meetings, and use the Web/Internet instead of paper newsletters (or use hardcopies for those who prefer them). 2) At first I thought Horst Windisch's idea of a Clubhouse was the opposite of Ted's "get out of the meeting-room and into the field" approach, but then when he described what was provided and took place in the clubhouse, I was impressed. Surely this would be wonderful---IF (and this is a huge "IF")---such a rockhound-centered building can be funded and built. I doubt if many clubs in the USA could fund and build such a facility. But it might be possible for some clubs to make arrangements with their local Community Centers to set up equipment in a storage room, or to build an additional room to their building. Some might be able to make arrangements to use the geology or earth-sciences labs at their local university or technical school. 3. Alan Goldstein said that in order to include kids, meetings should not be held on school nights, or at least early on those nights. I would add that this is important not just for kids, but for a lot of adults too. Our local Neighborhood Community Association for years held all their monthly meetings on weeknights at the gym, and Bill and I seldom attended. After a long day's work, getting home at 5pm, the last thing we wanted to do was go to a meeting at 6 or 7 or 8pm. When they invoked a potluck supper that was even worse---you get home from work and immediately have to make a casserole! We finally managed to talk them into holding a meeting on Saturday afternoon every other month at the neighborhood park pavilion. It gradually turned into a potluck lunch with kids running around playing games, while adults talked. The combination of weekday evening meetings for those who plan to go out of town or do yardwork on weekends, and Saturday afternoon meetings for those who are tired or busy on weeknights was perfect. Aloha, Kitty PS. We don't have a rockhound club in Hawaii anywhere but in Honolulu, and from what I've ben able to observe from the distance of the Big Island, it seems moribund. But then the only thing to do here is go and watch the lava flow into the ocean. :) At 06:07 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote: >I accidently left one item off my original list... > > Thriving Clubs regularly publish a Newsletter/Bulletin. > >The comments so far, on and off List, consistently suggest I missed... > > Thriving Clubs do not have a declining membership trend because they > continue to reach out for new members. > >...and strongly suggest I should have included... > > Thriving Clubs cultivate an atmosphere of sharing, helping, > teaching, and ownership, of Club duties. > > Thriving Clubs have Officers who cultivate their own replacements on > the Board so that regular turnover of responsibility occurs. > >What else helps in making a Club successful? > >Kreigh > > > > >Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > Many Clubs see difficult times approaching, and are trying to reinvent > > themselves to restore some of the vigor from when they were younger. > > This is a not uncommon topic of discussion on this List, and was a > > personal driver in my assisting Tina with her Rockhounds Survey. > > > > Keeping our hobby alive is something we should all be concerned about. > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and would like to make some > > observations in hope of starting a discussion that can help our Hobby > > continue. I think it would help to reach an understanding of what works. > > > > In my opinion... > > > > Thriving Clubs have a significant number of kids attending meetings > > with their parents. > > > > Thriving Clubs have a wide variety of speakers from the area > > presenting programs. BTW, most of these speakers should become > > recruiters for the Club. > > > > Thriving Clubs have a website that gets regular updates and new > > content. > > > > Thriving Clubs have regular Field Trips. Many to most trips are > kid, > > and family, friendly, even if they are to local sites many in the > > Club don't want to visit again. > > > > Thriving Clubs have an annual show. > > > > Thriving Clubs have an outreach program that puts them into local > > classrooms on a regular basis. > > > > Thriving Clubs have programs that vary between targeting kids and > > new members, and the most experienced members. > > > > Thriving Clubs share email addresses in their Directory so members > > can talk between meetings. > > > > Do any of you on the List have suggestions for what makes a Thriving > > Club? What are the 'best practices' for keeping a Club alive? > > > > I would also like to suggest that the current general decline of Rock > > Club's vitality correlates with the rise of 'entertainment', via the > > medium of television, from the 1950s thru the 1970s. TV sucked off the > > generation of leaders that should be running most Clubs today based on > > the traditional model of rockhounding where kids around 10 get > > interested, and reconnect/recommit around 40 (when they start their own > > families). > > > > How do we keep our Club's alive? > > > > Kreigh > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Feb 11 14:33:50 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 11 14:33:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Last Tucson Show Update Message-ID: John, My 6 year old grandaughter Kristin and I just really enjoyed your 6 part report. Absolutely amazing. Thanks for taking the pics and posting the reports. Kristin wants to know when you are getting out of jail! LOL! Glenn > From: John@trinityminerals.com> To: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com> Subject: Last Tucson Show Update> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:27:35 -0500> > Greetings from Tucson:> > I have finished the last of 6 show reports on the Tucson Show and also completed the last update of new specimens from and for the show. Everything can be accessed from:> > http://www.trinityminerals.com/tucson2007/specials.shtml> > It was a good show this year with higher attendance than in recent years past.> > If you would like to be removed from the mineralshows.com mailing list simply visit:> > http://www.trinityminerals.com/email.shtml> > There you can add or delete your email address from the various email lists I use.> > All specimens ordered over the past 2+ weeks will be shipped from Tucson in the coming week. After that Colleen and I will be camping out in the desert for about 10 days and getting back to California in early March.> > Thank you again for your interest and I hope you enjoyed your vicarious visit to the 2007 Tucson Show.> > Regards,> John Veevaert> Trinity Mineral Company> _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Feb 11 15:29:02 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Feb 11 15:30:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Last Tucson Show Update References: Message-ID: <006c01c74e34$70d19dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Glenn, Thanks for posting the link to John's report on the Tucson show. And thanks to John Veevaert for writing it up! We'll get to Tucson some day but, in the mean time, it's nice to visit vicariously. It was also great to finally see a photo of John Seibel. John Siebel (not John Seibel) From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Feb 11 23:12:53 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Feb 11 23:13:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson visit Message-ID: <449508.37769.qm@web56314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi All: Martha and I flew into Tucson last Feb 1st, and immediately left for Cochise county, AZ, southeast of Tucson, where my cousin Vicki lives and works. We bought a small acreage about 15 miles east of Tombstone last summer, after visiting last winter and seeing the great view. But I couldn't be in Arizona in February without trying to spend some time at the various rock, gem, mineral and fossil venues around Tucson. So Martha and I drove down to town on Thursday, and first we booked a room at the Red Roof Inn beside the Tucson Expo Center. My field trip buddy Dan asked me to look around for an amethyst cathedral geode, and I thought this venue, with large banners about Brazilian minerals, would be as good as any to start looking. I found a whole wall covered with them (some were taller than I am at 6 ft even!!!) and selected one in Dan's price range. It has the typical wonderful purple quartz crystals, and a pretty good looking gold calcite as a bonus. Then Martha and I stopped by a couple of hotels and more permanent venues, on the way to a restaurant called La Fuenta (the fountain), where we had tentatively arranged to meet TangoJulie (Tina) and Pete Modreski of the list, and some other rocky people who aren't as active on the list...but who had excellent credentials as rockhounds. The meet was fun, it was great to put a face to Pete and Tina, and neither one of them surprised me a bit - we looked at each other's rocks, tina and Pete gave me small specimens, we looked at a number of rocks using a LED UV light source, big fun! The food was great too! The next day, Friday, I ran a couple of errands, and tried to park to visit the Convention Center, home of the "Big Show". I wound up crossing under I-10 and parking in Nevada (well, not really, but it was a long walk to the hall!) and walking to the show. I first bought a tote bag for the loot I hoped to buy, and ball cap, you can't have too many of them! Then I stopped by the USGS booth to say hi to Pete, who promptly gave me a rock, and told me that Tina wasn't around but was in the show, somewhere. I bought several pamplets and a geologic map of Arizona from the state Geologic Survey booth, and headed for the main show. This was my second visit to the main show, last year we were in Tucson before it happened, and I just visited the various hotel venues, but I did visit the main show back in the late 90s. I was a little disappointed. I did run into Tina, and we walked around together for a couple of hours. She had a mission, a calcite she wanted, and a purchase for a cousin, too. We visited many dealers, and the displays were obviously fabulous. But I didn't see anything that I had to have. I finally decided to try some of the hotel venues I liked last winter, and left. I went to the InnSuites, near I-10, and not too far north of the city center and convention center. Some dealers were closed, having moved to the convention center, others were packing up to leave, but many were doing business as usual. I did see John Cornish (Hi John!!) and admired his remaining stock. He had sold out one whole display cabinet! But he did have plenty of nice heulandite/mordenite specimens from his Idaho mine, and some Arizona specimens, and some world-wide specimens. I saw a pretty and stout wulfenite from the Defiance Mine in Gleeson, AZ, which I drive past to get to our land here in Arizona! That was a "had to have it" rock for sure! I bought one in the past that turned out to be so fragile that even mounted in a box, just picking up the box to move it causes fragments too fall off. This one is much sturdier, and will be a fine beginning to a suite of Cochise county minerals. Then I ran into an Aussie selling opals. Since Martha loves them, and Valentine's Day is around the corner, I got one, a nice blue cab. Safe for another year! I also visited Mr Ward's Fluorescent room, dark but for the UV lamps, and the bright colors the UV causes in the otherwise ordinary rocks. I bought a big lab-grown ruby crystal, and a cabbed fuschite with rubies in it that glowed quite well. And I got a blue tourmaline on matrix from Brazil that's pretty sweet. And then I visited a room full of fossils from Morocco. I know what you're thinking, and I know that lots of those are pretty imaginative, with paint and filler making up a majority of the slab, but this one isn't like that! It's got a ton of detail, and was obviously prepped with an abrasive blaster. it's just a single crinoid head, but it's sweet, very sweet, especially for a field collector whose spent several summer weekends trying to find one in Indiana! Over all we had a good time. I was a little disappointed about the main show, which seemed to have more jewelers than I remembered, and really high prices. But the hotels were good shows, just as I remembered. Now we're back in Cochise county, meeting new friends and making plans to start developing the lilttle "ranch" back of Gleeson. I have no doubt that we'll hear from John Cornish about his experiences this year, and I can confirm that a couple of fellows were busted with about 11 thousand carats of undocumented diamonds. Another dealer was busted for selling fake Rolex watches. Years ago I got a real deal on a small but pretty emerald on matrix, which many months (or years) later turned out to be reattached to matrix with UV-fluorescent stupid glue, my own fault for not asking if it was repaired, kinda, but I did feel ripped off. So keep your eyes open! It was a great time, and I got to see many, many fabulous specimens and gemstones, and fossils. If you ever get a chance to visit Arizona in late Jan or early Feb, do whatever it takes to make it happen, and let me know, maybe we can get together for dinner. Keep on rockin! JR in AZ --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Feb 12 19:58:46 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Feb 12 19:58:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson visit Message-ID: JR, Thanks for the report. SIGH..... Maybe next year... Glenn Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson visit Hi All: Martha and I flew into Tucson last Feb 1st, and immediately left for Cochise county, AZ, southeast of Tucson, where my cousin Vicki lives and works. We bought a small acreage about 15 miles east of Tombstone last summer, after visiting last winter and seeing the great view. BIG SNIP Keep on rockin! JR in AZ _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From millsgeological at hughes.net Mon Feb 12 20:19:24 2007 From: millsgeological at hughes.net (Jim Mills) Date: Mon Feb 12 20:19:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Used Geoscience Books For Sale Message-ID: <00ba01c74f26$28b412f0$0200a8c0@IBMBFBC977768C> Hello Group: I have put together another used geoscience book offering for members of the Internet newsgroups to which I belong. If you don't want to read this ADVERTISEMENT, then please delete now. In addition to the books that I have winnowed from my personal library, there are others that came to me as duplicates or "extras" recently acquired when I purchased from estates, box-lots containing something I did need for my own library. All of them are reasonably priced! If you are interested or have a question please email me off list at MillsGeological@hughes.net and I will reserve requested titles for the first person to claim them. If you see something you want, don't delay - the previous sales seemed to go remarkably fast and some of you were disappointed. I will be posting this advertisement to several lists and apologize to those who receive this email more than once because they also belong to several lists. I have arranged the titles by the general categories of MINERALS AND MINING, MINERALS, MINES AND MINING, FOSSILS, GEOLOGY, GEOCHEMISTRY AND ROCKHOUNDING & FIELD GUIDES. All are bargain priced and the price quoted includes media rate postage to USA domestic addresses as well as applicable California Sales Tax. If you are located in another country than USA please inquire about postal rates to your area which would be added. So, take a look and see if any of these need to be in your own library: 1. MINERALS AND MINING "Tungsten Mineralization in the United States" by Paul Kerr and published as Geological Society of America Memoir #15 in 1946 (this is a 1958 reprint copy). Very good condition with tight binding and crisp and clean pages. Previous owners name on front inside cover. This is an exceptional field book for the collector as it contains detailed locality information on hundreds of specific localities of tungsten mineralization (including wolframite, scheelite, huebernite, etc) 241 pages, quarto size hardback copy. Price - $20 2. MINERALS "Oddities of the Mineral World" by William Sanborn. Published in 1976. Excellent book covering detailed information about geodes, inclusions, pseudomorphs, luminescence, concretions thundereggs, petrified wood, etc. Good condition. Former owner's name inked out on flyleaf - otherwise tight and clean. 142 pages of fascinating reading! $25 3. MINERALS, MINES AND MINING Two issues of "The National Amateur Mineralogist" dated December 1941 and May, 1947. An interesting look into some of the early origins of the rock hobby. This publication was around for about 10 years or so. Published by O.B. Brown in Seattle, Washington. The ads are at least as interesting as the short articles themselves. Small format magazines of around 35 to 40 pages each. Price - $10 (includes both issues) 4. MINERALS "Miargyrite Crystals from Randsburg, California" by Joseph Murdoch and published in the American Mineralogist in 1939. This is a reprint copy of 10 pages in cardstock paper wraps. Crystallography of many of the 47 forms of this mineral discovered at Randsburg. Price $12 5. MINERALS "Some Garnet Crystals from California" by Joseph Murdoch and published in The Journal of Geology, February 1939. This is a reprint copy of 8 pages in cardstock wraps. Description of garnets found in the foothills at the extreme southern end of San Joaquin Valley. The article includes a photo and a good locality description. Price $12 6. MINERALS "The Story of Barytes" by Clark and Berninghaus and published in 1920 by the De Lore Baryte Company and Finck Mineral Milling Company. Mostly illustrations - many in color. All are drawings, not photos. A terrific collectible for the Barite enthusiast. Fair condition. Page edges tattered throughout at top of publication. Binding is tied cording. 20 pages in original cardstock wraps (with color illustration on cover). Price - $12 7. MINES AND MINING "Placer Mining in Alaska" by Thomas et al and published as Bureau of Mines Circular 7926 in 1959. Subtitled "Methods and costs of Operations using Hydraulic and Mechanical Excavation Equipment with Nonfloating Washing Plants". Best of all, this 34 page softcover publication has numerous photos of old Alaska hydrauliking operations. Very good condition with previous owner's name inked out on front cover. $9 8. MINES AND MINING "Rawhide" by Hugh Shamberger and published in Carson City, Nevada by Nevada Historical Press in 1974. Staple Bound Paperback Illustrated By Photographs and Fold out Map. Fine condition. Size is 11"H x 8 1/2"W Length is 50 Pages. Part of the Historic Mining Camps of Nevada Early History Development Water Supply series, a joint effort by USGS and Nevada Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. A little about its people, its mines, its quest for water and its promoters, who all together made it Nevada's last great mining boom. Price - $8 9. MINERALS AND MINES "Economic Geology of the Rincon Pegmatites, San Diego County" by John Hanley and published as Special Report 7B by the California Division of Mines in 1951. A very, very scarce publication dealing with the pegmatites right next door to the famous Pala Pegmatites in SD County. 24 pages with excellent illustrations including a fold out map of the district. Very good condition with slight fading of the edges of the cardstock wrap covers. Previous owner name inked on title page of report. Price - $85 10. MINERALS AND MINES "1908 approximate vintage USGS map (scale 1:62,500) of the Green Monster Mountain and vicinity" If you are a collector of the fabulous epidote and Japan-law twinned quartz crystals from Prince of Wales Island, Alaska, this great collectible map will be of interest to you. Specifically the map covers the area between latitudes 55 degrees 10 minutes 30 seconds North and 55 17 30 north and longitudes 132 degrees 30 minutes and 30 seconds west and 132 40 05 west. In addition to Green Monster Mountain, the map locates and identified the old camps of Coppermount (on Copper Harbor) and Sulzer (on Sulzer Passage of the Hetta Inlet). Aerial tramways coming off of copper Mountain are also depicted. This is USGS map "Alaska Sheet No. 540B". These small size USGS early topo maps are quite scarce now. It measures just 9 3/8 by 10 3/4 inches in size, making it perfect for framing if desired. The condition is good. Condition issues include minor brown spotting over some of the left side of the map, tiny edge tears which can easily be covered by matting, and minor penciled numbers in the lower right corner of the front of the map. If you are not familiar with the history of the Green Monster Mine, there is an excellent , exceptionally detailed description and history published in a recent issue of Mineralogical Record (Volume 35, September-October, 2004 pp 383-405). The fabulous epidotes were collected by Art Montgomery and Ed Over in the early part of the 20th century. They were a couple of the most important specimen collectors and mineralogy enthusiasts of the century. It is quite likely that they had a copy of this map along with them on their 1935 collecting trip expedition. The other mines located on this map are the copper mines of the Prince of Wales' "Copper Mountain Mining District." Price $12 11. FOSSILS - THERAPSIDA "A Possible Mammalian Ancestor From the Middle Triassic of Brazil(Therapsida-Cynodontia)" by Bonaparte and Barberena and published in the Journal of Paleontology Volume 49 #5 in September 1975. This copy is extracted from the original copy of that issue of the Journal (i.e. not a reprint or an offprint). 6 pages on the Journal's glossy paper. Illustrated with numerous line drawings. No wraps. Price - $7 12. FOSSILS - DINOSAURS "The Great Dinosaur Hunters and their Discoveries" by Edwin Colbert (who was curator atthe AMNH when he published this book.) Detailed history of all of the mahjor dinosuar discoveries on all of the continents. Loaded with B&W illustrations. Softcover 280 pages. Very good condition. Price - $10 13. FOSSILS - COTYLOSAURS "An Explanatory Model of the Evolution of Multiple Rows of Teeth in Captorhinus aguti" by Bolt and DeMar and published in the Journal of Paleontology Volume 49 #5 in September 1975. This copy is extracted from the original copy of that issue of the Journal (i.e. not a reprint or an offprint). 17 pages on the Journal's glossy paper. Illustrated with numerous line drawings and photos. No wraps. Price - $7 14. FOSSILS - CRUSTACEANS "A Pennsylvania Lepadomorph Barnacle from the Mazon Creek Area, Illinois" by Frederick R. Schram and published in the Journal of Paleontology Volume 49 #5 in September 1975. This copy is extracted from the original copy of that issue of the Journal (i.e. not a reprint or an offprint). 3 pages on the Journal's glossy paper. Illustrated with holotype specimen photograph and line drawing. No wraps. Price - $7 15. FOSSILS - AMMONITES "Texas Ammonites in Arizona?" by Halsey Miller and published as a 4 page article with ample illustration in Arizona Geological Society Digest. Article has specific locality data and photo of ammonite from the locality. Hard to characterize this publication since it also contains articles on mineralization and geology along with this ammonite article. It has a total of 94 pages. Price - $12 16. FOSSILS - DINOSAURS "A Dinosaur bearing Section of CretaceousRocks in Empire Mountains, Pima County" by Moore and Miller and published as a 6 page article in Arizona Geological Society Digest. Article has specific locality data and photo of a femur from the site. It is hard to characterize this publication since it also contains articles on mineralization and geology along with this dinosaur article. It has a total of 185 pages. Price - $15 17. GEOLOGY "Preliminary Report on the Geology of Essex County, New York" by James hall and J.F. Kemp and published in 1895. A 35 page report published as part of the Annual Report of the State Geologist with lots of foldout maps and some photos. Outstanding condition, especially given the age of 112 years!!! A great collectible for New York area collectors. $15 18. GEOLOGY "Geology of Michigan" by Dorr and Eschman and published by the University of Michigan in 1970. Exceptionally comprehensive and very well written with a thorough index as well. Very good copy of this useful 476 page, octavo size book. Previous owner stamp on frontispiece - otherwise clean, tight and crisp. Price $27 19. GEOLOGY - FIELD TRIPS "Guide to Fossil Collecting in Minnesota" by Hogberg, Sloan and Tufford and published as Educational Series #1 by the Minnesota Geological Survey in 1967. 38 pages with illustrations of fossils from MN and some data on localities and formations. Price - $7 20. GEOLOGY "Stratigraphy of Reference Sections in the Popotosa Formation, Socorro County, New Mexico" by Sigrid Asher-Bolinder. This is USGS Bulletin 1800 published in 1988. Includes a nice reference section diagram in the map pocket. 22 pages in very good condition. Price - $7 21. GEOLOGY "The Correlation of the Quaternary Deposits of the British Isles With Those of the Continent of Europe" by Charles Brooks. This is an extract(not a reprint or an offprint)from the 1917 Annual Report of the Smithsonian and is 98 pages long with an excellent bibliography. Price - $7 22. GEOLOGY " Uplift of the Bighorn Mountains, Wyoming and Montana - A Sandstone Provenance Study" by Whipkey, Cavaroc and Flores. This is USGS bulletin 1917-D. 20 pages in mint condition. Price - $7 23. GEOLOGY/STRATIGRAPHY/MICROFOSSILS "Committee on Mediterranean Neogene Stratigraphy, Proceedings of the third Session in Berne" 8 - 13 June, 1964 edited by C.W. Drooger, et al and published in 1966 by Brill, in Leiden, Netherlands. Large format, 346 pp. 99 figs./plts. covering the proceedings of the Symposium on paleontological lineages and zones used for biostratigraphic subdivision of the Neogene throughout the world. Includes several dozen different scholarly papers, most in English, but some others in French, Italian and German. Hardback book - ex library with usual markings and the usual markings blotted out with felt pen. The book includes papers covering taxonomy of some mollusks as well as foraminifera. Price $20 24. GEOCHEMISTRY "Geology of Carbonate Porosity" published as Continuing Education Course Note Series #11 by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (AAPG) in 1979. Five different authors contributed to this coarse material in the following five categories: Porosity in carbonate rock sequences, Secondary carbonate porosity, Dolomite Reservoir Rocks: Processes Controls, Porosity development, Porosity Prediction in shallow versus Deep Water Limestones, Pore Systems in carbonate rocks and their Influence on Hydrocarbon Recovery Efficiency. Price - $18 25. ROCKHOUNDING AND FIELD GUIDES - "Oregon Under Foot" by McMullen and published as an Oregon Museum of Science and Industry Guide on Agate, Jasper, Opal and Related Gems of Oregon. 60 pages. Small format. Profusely illustrated with color photos. Very good condition. Price - $15 26. ROCKHOUNDING AND FIELD GUIDES - "Pages of History: Jade in California" booklet published in 1965. Nice book for the field collector. Generalized maps of Eel River locality and Big Sur locality. Good Condition. Price $10 27. ROCKHOUNDING AND FIELD GUIDES - "The Black Hills" by Cleophas O'Harra of the South Dakota School of Mines" and published as Guidebook 25, Excursion C-2 for the International Geological Congress in 1933. Informative text, good illustrations and maps. Fair condition. This is a paper wraps publication in which the center pages have become loose. All pages present but not intact in binding. Price $9 THANKS FOR LOOKING! HAVE A GREAT DAY JIM MILLS --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From libawc at emory.edu Tue Feb 13 15:13:23 2007 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Tue Feb 13 15:13:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Used Geoscience Books For Sale In-Reply-To: <00ba01c74f26$28b412f0$0200a8c0@IBMBFBC977768C> References: <00ba01c74f26$28b412f0$0200a8c0@IBMBFBC977768C> Message-ID: <00da01c74fc4$8efe8e20$72a38caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Hi Jim: I'm interested in numbers 2 and 6 if still available. Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jim Mills Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:19 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Used Geoscience Books For Sale Hello Group: I have put together another used geoscience book offering for members of the Internet newsgroups to which I belong. If you don't want to read this ADVERTISEMENT, then please delete now. In addition to the books that I have winnowed from my personal library, there are others that came to me as duplicates or "extras" recently acquired when I purchased from estates, box-lots containing something I did need for my own library. All of them are reasonably priced! If you are interested or have a question please email me off list at MillsGeological@hughes.net and I will reserve requested titles for the first person to claim them. If you see something you want, don't delay - the previous sales seemed to go remarkably fast and some of you were disappointed. I will be posting this advertisement to several lists and apologize to those who receive this email more than once because they also belong to several lists. I have arranged the titles by the general categories of MINERALS AND MINING, MINERALS, MINES AND MINING, FOSSILS, GEOLOGY, GEOCHEMISTRY AND ROCKHOUNDING & FIELD GUIDES. All are bargain priced and the price quoted includes media rate postage to USA domestic addresses as well as applicable California Sales Tax. If you are located in another country than USA please inquire about postal rates to your area which would be added. So, take a look and see if any of these need to be in your own library: 1. MINERALS AND MINING "Tungsten Mineralization in the United States" by Paul Kerr and published as Geological Society of America Memoir #15 in 1946 (this is a 1958 reprint copy). Very good condition with tight binding and crisp and clean pages. Previous owners name on front inside cover. This is an exceptional field book for the collector as it contains detailed locality information on hundreds of specific localities of tungsten mineralization (including wolframite, scheelite, huebernite, etc) 241 pages, quarto size hardback copy. Price - $20 2. MINERALS "Oddities of the Mineral World" by William Sanborn. Published in 1976. Excellent book covering detailed information about geodes, inclusions, pseudomorphs, luminescence, concretions thundereggs, petrified wood, etc. Good condition. Former owner's name inked out on flyleaf - otherwise tight and clean. 142 pages of fascinating reading! $25 3. MINERALS, MINES AND MINING Two issues of "The National Amateur Mineralogist" dated December 1941 and May, 1947. An interesting look into some of the early origins of the rock hobby. This publication was around for about 10 years or so. Published by O.B. Brown in Seattle, Washington. The ads are at least as interesting as the short articles themselves. Small format magazines of around 35 to 40 pages each. Price - $10 (includes both issues) 4. MINERALS "Miargyrite Crystals from Randsburg, California" by Joseph Murdoch and published in the American Mineralogist in 1939. This is a reprint copy of 10 pages in cardstock paper wraps. Crystallography of many of the 47 forms of this mineral discovered at Randsburg. Price $12 5. MINERALS "Some Garnet Crystals from California" by Joseph Murdoch and published in The Journal of Geology, February 1939. This is a reprint copy of 8 pages in cardstock wraps. Description of garnets found in the foothills at the extreme southern end of San Joaquin Valley. The article includes a photo and a good locality description. Price $12 6. MINERALS "The Story of Barytes" by Clark and Berninghaus and published in 1920 by the De Lore Baryte Company and Finck Mineral Milling Company. Mostly illustrations - many in color. All are drawings, not photos. A terrific collectible for the Barite enthusiast. Fair condition. Page edges tattered throughout at top of publication. Binding is tied cording. 20 pages in original cardstock wraps (with color illustration on cover). Price - $12 7. MINES AND MINING "Placer Mining in Alaska" by Thomas et al and published as Bureau of Mines Circular 7926 in 1959. Subtitled "Methods and costs of Operations using Hydraulic and Mechanical Excavation Equipment with Nonfloating Washing Plants". Best of all, this 34 page softcover publication has numerous photos of old Alaska hydrauliking operations. Very good condition with previous owner's name inked out on front cover. $9 8. MINES AND MINING "Rawhide" by Hugh Shamberger and published in Carson City, Nevada by Nevada Historical Press in 1974. Staple Bound Paperback Illustrated By Photographs and Fold out Map. Fine condition. Size is 11"H x 8 1/2"W Length is 50 Pages. Part of the Historic Mining Camps of Nevada Early History Development Water Supply series, a joint effort by USGS and Nevada Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. A little about its people, its mines, its quest for water and its promoters, who all together made it Nevada's last great mining boom. Price - $8 9. MINERALS AND MINES "Economic Geology of the Rincon Pegmatites, San Diego County" by John Hanley and published as Special Report 7B by the California Division of Mines in 1951. A very, very scarce publication dealing with the pegmatites right next door to the famous Pala Pegmatites in SD County. 24 pages with excellent illustrations including a fold out map of the district. Very good condition with slight fading of the edges of the cardstock wrap covers. Previous owner name inked on title page of report. Price - $85 10. MINERALS AND MINES "1908 approximate vintage USGS map (scale 1:62,500) of the Green Monster Mountain and vicinity" If you are a collector of the fabulous epidote and Japan-law twinned quartz crystals from Prince of Wales Island, Alaska, this great collectible map will be of interest to you. Specifically the map covers the area between latitudes 55 degrees 10 minutes 30 seconds North and 55 17 30 north and longitudes 132 degrees 30 minutes and 30 seconds west and 132 40 05 west. In addition to Green Monster Mountain, the map locates and identified the old camps of Coppermount (on Copper Harbor) and Sulzer (on Sulzer Passage of the Hetta Inlet). Aerial tramways coming off of copper Mountain are also depicted. This is USGS map "Alaska Sheet No. 540B". These small size USGS early topo maps are quite scarce now. It measures just 9 3/8 by 10 3/4 inches in size, making it perfect for framing if desired. The condition is good. Condition issues include minor brown spotting over some of the left side of the map, tiny edge tears which can easily be covered by matting, and minor penciled numbers in the lower right corner of the front of the map. If you are not familiar with the history of the Green Monster Mine, there is an excellent , exceptionally detailed description and history published in a recent issue of Mineralogical Record (Volume 35, September-October, 2004 pp 383-405). The fabulous epidotes were collected by Art Montgomery and Ed Over in the early part of the 20th century. They were a couple of the most important specimen collectors and mineralogy enthusiasts of the century. It is quite likely that they had a copy of this map along with them on their 1935 collecting trip expedition. The other mines located on this map are the copper mines of the Prince of Wales' "Copper Mountain Mining District." Price $12 11. FOSSILS - THERAPSIDA "A Possible Mammalian Ancestor From the Middle Triassic of Brazil(Therapsida-Cynodontia)" by Bonaparte and Barberena and published in the Journal of Paleontology Volume 49 #5 in September 1975. This copy is extracted from the original copy of that issue of the Journal (i.e. not a reprint or an offprint). 6 pages on the Journal's glossy paper. Illustrated with numerous line drawings. No wraps. Price - $7 12. FOSSILS - DINOSAURS "The Great Dinosaur Hunters and their Discoveries" by Edwin Colbert (who was curator atthe AMNH when he published this book.) Detailed history of all of the mahjor dinosuar discoveries on all of the continents. Loaded with B&W illustrations. Softcover 280 pages. Very good condition. Price - $10 13. FOSSILS - COTYLOSAURS "An Explanatory Model of the Evolution of Multiple Rows of Teeth in Captorhinus aguti" by Bolt and DeMar and published in the Journal of Paleontology Volume 49 #5 in September 1975. This copy is extracted from the original copy of that issue of the Journal (i.e. not a reprint or an offprint). 17 pages on the Journal's glossy paper. Illustrated with numerous line drawings and photos. No wraps. Price - $7 14. FOSSILS - CRUSTACEANS "A Pennsylvania Lepadomorph Barnacle from the Mazon Creek Area, Illinois" by Frederick R. Schram and published in the Journal of Paleontology Volume 49 #5 in September 1975. This copy is extracted from the original copy of that issue of the Journal (i.e. not a reprint or an offprint). 3 pages on the Journal's glossy paper. Illustrated with holotype specimen photograph and line drawing. No wraps. Price - $7 15. FOSSILS - AMMONITES "Texas Ammonites in Arizona?" by Halsey Miller and published as a 4 page article with ample illustration in Arizona Geological Society Digest. Article has specific locality data and photo of ammonite from the locality. Hard to characterize this publication since it also contains articles on mineralization and geology along with this ammonite article. It has a total of 94 pages. Price - $12 16. FOSSILS - DINOSAURS "A Dinosaur bearing Section of CretaceousRocks in Empire Mountains, Pima County" by Moore and Miller and published as a 6 page article in Arizona Geological Society Digest. Article has specific locality data and photo of a femur from the site. It is hard to characterize this publication since it also contains articles on mineralization and geology along with this dinosaur article. It has a total of 185 pages. Price - $15 17. GEOLOGY "Preliminary Report on the Geology of Essex County, New York" by James hall and J.F. Kemp and published in 1895. A 35 page report published as part of the Annual Report of the State Geologist with lots of foldout maps and some photos. Outstanding condition, especially given the age of 112 years!!! A great collectible for New York area collectors. $15 18. GEOLOGY "Geology of Michigan" by Dorr and Eschman and published by the University of Michigan in 1970. Exceptionally comprehensive and very well written with a thorough index as well. Very good copy of this useful 476 page, octavo size book. Previous owner stamp on frontispiece - otherwise clean, tight and crisp. Price $27 19. GEOLOGY - FIELD TRIPS "Guide to Fossil Collecting in Minnesota" by Hogberg, Sloan and Tufford and published as Educational Series #1 by the Minnesota Geological Survey in 1967. 38 pages with illustrations of fossils from MN and some data on localities and formations. Price - $7 20. GEOLOGY "Stratigraphy of Reference Sections in the Popotosa Formation, Socorro County, New Mexico" by Sigrid Asher-Bolinder. This is USGS Bulletin 1800 published in 1988. Includes a nice reference section diagram in the map pocket. 22 pages in very good condition. Price - $7 21. GEOLOGY "The Correlation of the Quaternary Deposits of the British Isles With Those of the Continent of Europe" by Charles Brooks. This is an extract(not a reprint or an offprint)from the 1917 Annual Report of the Smithsonian and is 98 pages long with an excellent bibliography. Price - $7 22. GEOLOGY " Uplift of the Bighorn Mountains, Wyoming and Montana - A Sandstone Provenance Study" by Whipkey, Cavaroc and Flores. This is USGS bulletin 1917-D. 20 pages in mint condition. Price - $7 23. GEOLOGY/STRATIGRAPHY/MICROFOSSILS "Committee on Mediterranean Neogene Stratigraphy, Proceedings of the third Session in Berne" 8 - 13 June, 1964 edited by C.W. Drooger, et al and published in 1966 by Brill, in Leiden, Netherlands. Large format, 346 pp. 99 figs./plts. covering the proceedings of the Symposium on paleontological lineages and zones used for biostratigraphic subdivision of the Neogene throughout the world. Includes several dozen different scholarly papers, most in English, but some others in French, Italian and German. Hardback book - ex library with usual markings and the usual markings blotted out with felt pen. The book includes papers covering taxonomy of some mollusks as well as foraminifera. Price $20 24. GEOCHEMISTRY "Geology of Carbonate Porosity" published as Continuing Education Course Note Series #11 by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (AAPG) in 1979. Five different authors contributed to this coarse material in the following five categories: Porosity in carbonate rock sequences, Secondary carbonate porosity, Dolomite Reservoir Rocks: Processes Controls, Porosity development, Porosity Prediction in shallow versus Deep Water Limestones, Pore Systems in carbonate rocks and their Influence on Hydrocarbon Recovery Efficiency. Price - $18 25. ROCKHOUNDING AND FIELD GUIDES - "Oregon Under Foot" by McMullen and published as an Oregon Museum of Science and Industry Guide on Agate, Jasper, Opal and Related Gems of Oregon. 60 pages. Small format. Profusely illustrated with color photos. Very good condition. Price - $15 26. ROCKHOUNDING AND FIELD GUIDES - "Pages of History: Jade in California" booklet published in 1965. Nice book for the field collector. Generalized maps of Eel River locality and Big Sur locality. Good Condition. Price $10 27. ROCKHOUNDING AND FIELD GUIDES - "The Black Hills" by Cleophas O'Harra of the South Dakota School of Mines" and published as Guidebook 25, Excursion C-2 for the International Geological Congress in 1933. Informative text, good illustrations and maps. Fair condition. This is a paper wraps publication in which the center pages have become loose. All pages present but not intact in binding. Price $9 THANKS FOR LOOKING! HAVE A GREAT DAY JIM MILLS --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Feb 13 16:06:50 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Feb 13 16:06:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADMIN replies to ads In-Reply-To: <00da01c74fc4$8efe8e20$72a38caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> References: <00ba01c74f26$28b412f0$0200a8c0@IBMBFBC977768C> <00da01c74fc4$8efe8e20$72a38caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070213140434.0431b888@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Here's a gentle reminder that replies to ads should be made off List, unless you have a comment that would be of interest to all. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team) At 01:13 PM 2/13/2007, you wrote: >Hi Jim: > I'm interested in numbers 2 and 6 if still available. >Anita From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Wed Feb 14 07:19:06 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Wed Feb 14 07:19:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: Mineral Newsletter for Kids In-Reply-To: <000801c73b30$e9c55080$6601a8c0@Powell> References: <000801c73b30$e9c55080$6601a8c0@Powell> Message-ID: <45D3286A.1040507@tenforward.com> Hi Darryl, I'm just back from Tucson. Please add me to your list. All the very best. Sincerely, John Powell wrote: >This is an ad. Delete now if you do not want such a thing. > >Dear Rockhounds list, > I am pleased to announce the launch of a monthly newsletter for kids about minerals: Mini Miners Monthly. The goal of Mini Miners Monthly is simply to provide useful, interesting and fun information about minerals to educate and encourage young collectors. Issues include articles about minerals and mineral collecting, coloring pages, biographies on special people in the mineral hobby, hints on finding a club, suggestions for good books and safe internet sites for mineral collectors, cartoons about minerals, word searches, crossword puzzles, crystal models and more. Mineral art and articles by children will be included as often as possible. In this electronic age, I will also be offering a "value added" feature with every subscription: Each subscriber that provides an email address will also receive by email at least one additional page or article each month. > If you would like a complimentary advance copy of our very first issue (Vol. I, No.1), please email me offlist (at dpowell13@rochester.rr.com or diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) with your snail mail address and I will send one out to you right away for your review. > >Thank you for reading this far. I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes to one and all for a safe, successful and rewarding year in the mineral hobby. > >Darryl Powell >Diamond Dan Publications >Manchester, New York > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From hammerron at yahoo.com Wed Feb 14 12:41:39 2007 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Wed Feb 14 12:41:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluroscent Minerals Message-ID: <20070214204139.83821.qmail@web83512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I really tried to photograph it well, but I am too inexperienced with photography. Here are links to a piece that fluoresces beautifully. It is franklinite, willemite, and zincite from Sterling Hill Mine, Ogdensburg, NJ Natural Light: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammerron/390431123/ Ultraviolet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammerron/390431124/ One picture is at a right angle from the other. I really wish I could adequately show how beautifully it fluoresces! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Feb 14 12:51:30 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Feb 14 12:51:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluroscent Minerals In-Reply-To: <20070214204139.83821.qmail@web83512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20070214204139.83821.qmail@web83512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45D37652.8000805@verizon.net> The Hammer wrote: > I really tried to photograph it well, but I am too inexperienced with photography. > > Here are links to a piece that fluoresces beautifully. It is franklinite, willemite, and zincite from Sterling Hill Mine, Ogdensburg, NJ > > Natural Light: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammerron/390431123/ > > Ultraviolet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammerron/390431124/ Keep trying! Fl. minerals are difficult to photograph. There is a fluorescentminerals group on YahooGroups which is populated by several people who can offer advice on digital fl. photography. One issue is that willemite is so much brighter than the calcite, so your automatic meter will expose for the willemite and under-expose the calcite. Good luck and do some more, Don From bobl at peaktopeak.com Fri Feb 16 18:21:23 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Fri Feb 16 18:21:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? Message-ID: <200702170221.l1H2LNmK002105@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all, My girlfriend and I will be driving to the middle of Kansas (Salina) the weekend of March 16th and are wondering if there are any good digging locations between Salina and Denver. Thanks, Bob From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Feb 17 15:04:42 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Feb 17 15:06:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I Need a Crinoid! References: <20070214204139.83821.qmail@web83512.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <45D37652.8000805@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006101c752e8$0de01cb0$0300a8c0@Notebook> I just realized that I really need a crinoid "head" with calyx and arms. Anyone want to trade for ??? I've got plenty of handsome petrified wood, various zeolites, agates, uh...name it, I may have it. Most from western states, USA. John Siebel From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Feb 17 18:44:31 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Feb 17 18:44:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? References: <200702170221.l1H2LNmK002105@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <03fa01c75306$b782a490$7a9e5a40@marilyn> There are fish fossiles & sharks teeth in the Nirobara Chalk between Salina and Denver but almost all of KS is private land. Also pretty dendritic Opal. Look at the Midwest Gem trails book or contact me off line and I'll look them up Its been 10 years since I left KS. All The best Keep on Rockin Steve. You should stop at the fick fossile museum and the Museum at Hayes famous fish within a fish there ,they might have information about locations you can dig at at the museums. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? > Hi all, > > My girlfriend and I will be driving to the middle of Kansas (Salina) the > weekend of March 16th and are wondering if there are any good digging > locations between Salina and Denver. > > Thanks, > > Bob > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sat Feb 17 20:29:34 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sat Feb 17 20:29:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Locality Symposium-3/17/07 Boron CA Message-ID: <315960.81503.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com> Mineral Locality Symposium March 17, 2007 Followed by field trips on Saturday & Sunday, March 18 Sponsored By Southern California Chapter of Friends of Mineralogy & Rio Tinto (formerly U.S. Borax) Location: Rio Tinto Conference Center, Boron, California Registration/Field Trip Sign Up: 8-9 am. Coffee, juice, pastries provided. Field trip sign up (first come first served: limit 40) Speakers: 9am -1:30 pm Saturday Field Trip: Into US Borax (Rio Tinto) Borate Mine (limit 40) 1:30-3:30 pm Sunday Field Trip: Location to be announced. 9am-to whenever you are done. Saturday Lunch: 11:30 pm. Lunch generously provided by Rio Tinto/US Borax The theme of this symposium will be evaporites of the Owens river drainage, including Searles Lake and the Boron (Kramer) borax deposits, followed by an uncommon opportunity to collect in the pit of the largest open pit mine in California. The Quarry field trip on Saturday will have a limit of the first 40 people to sign up on Saturday morning between 8-9 am. Sunday will feature another field trip to another borate locality (to be announced). Evaporites include a diverse group of minerals that form in the evaporative environment of inland lakes and include minerals such as borax, kernite, hanksite, ulexite (TV Rock), gypsum, and rarer minerals such as inderite, hydroboracite, probertite, sulfohalite, northupite,etc. Speakers Tina Tuttle - The Owens River Drainage and Evaporite Deposits Rio Tinto Geologist - Kramer Ore Deposits Joe Siefke - Mining & Minerals at Boron, including a new Tunnellite occurrence David Eyre and T. Tuttle - Collecting and Preserving Evaporite Minerals from Boron and Searles Lake Visitors can also see the Borax Visitor Center, the life-size replica of the 20 Mule Team, and from the Visitor Center, can view the 2 mile wide Quarry from the hilltop observation auditorium. US Borax is also a great place to observe some of the largest trucks on the planet. See website for more information: http://www.borax.com/ More symposium information will be posted soon, including maps and other details on http://www.mineralsocal.org/scfm/index.html. Contact tinaindesert@hotmail.com for more information. PLEASE RSVP to tinaindesert@hotmail.com your symposium attendance by March 10 (for food count!) This does not constitute reservation for the field trip, only for food count. Field Trip Requirements: Sign up for the field trip from 8-9 am on 3/17/07. In order to participate on the Saturday field trip into the Quarry, there are a few requirements: 1. You must sign a waiver. 2. Steel toe or reinforced toe boots are mandatory with no exceptions. Inappropriate footwear: no field trip. 3. To save time and allow the feild trip to leave on time, please bring your field trip gear in conference center with you. There is ample room in the conference center to leave your gear. 4. If you have a hard hat and gardening gloves or other collecting gloves, bring them. The Quarry will provide hard hats and gloves for those that do not have them and wearing them is mandatory. 5. You must watch the 7 minute safety video offered before the field trip. Items to collect: Kernite, Ulexite, and other minerals from different parts of the quarry will be available at the collection spot. Check back with the SCFOM for more information on collecting trip details. Location: Boron is located 6 miles from the junction of Hwy 58 and US395. US Borax/Rio Tinto mine is accessed by taking Borax Rd from Hwy 58. Parking available in main parking lot by Conference Center. Watch for parking attendant. Several motels are available in Boron. Many motels/hotels available 32 miles from Boron, in Barstow at the junction of I-15 and US40 or the town of Mojave at the junction of Hwy 14 and Hwy 58. Allow 45 minutes from Barstow to arrive at quarry and 25 minutes from Mojave. Boron also features the 20 Mule Team Museum and the Saxon Aerospace Museum, a reflection of its location in the Aerospace Valley next to Edwards Air Force Base. The US Borax Visitor Center is also open Saturday 9-5. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Paintricks at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 21:21:11 2007 From: Paintricks at AOL.COM (Paintricks@AOL.COM) Date: Sat Feb 17 21:21:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? Message-ID: Hey everyone, I just moved near Cripple creek and was wondering if anyone has collected here and what to look for. A post of pictures in the responses would be really helpful. Anyone heard of mineral hill? We are just doen the road from this area. Maybe the Oil Creek area? Thanks for the help. Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From RRoscioli at aol.com Sat Feb 17 10:39:28 2007 From: RRoscioli at aol.com (RRoscioli@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 18 11:08:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin mineral museum Message-ID: Hi I'm looking for info about the franklin mineral museum in new jersey. What I want to know is if people can dig for floresent minerals there that they can keep? If you know the answer I would be most greatful for the info. thanks bob RRoscioli@aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Feb 18 11:33:49 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Feb 18 11:33:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin mineral museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D8AA1D.8080701@verizon.net> RRoscioli@aol.com wrote: > Hi > I'm looking for info about the franklin mineral museum in new jersey. > What I want to know is if people can dig for floresent minerals there that > they can keep? > If you know the answer I would be most greatful for the info. Hi, The short answer is "yes." A quick search revealed their website: http://www.franklinmineralmuseum.com/ Keep in mind they are seasonal, and may not be open yet; call first. Also, the nearby and relatively new Sterling Hill Mining Museum also has fee digging: http://sterlinghill.org/ http://sterlinghill.org/warren Disclosure: I am affiliated with Sterling Hill but I support visiting both museums and dig sites while in the area; they are only a few miles apart and each has special exhibits that complement each other. Good luck, Don From gene at fossilnut.com Sun Feb 18 13:35:07 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Sun Feb 18 13:35:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin mineral museum References: Message-ID: <007001c753a4$aad0c8a0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Here are web links for both the Franklin Museum and nearby Sterling Hill Museum. Both provide opportuniites to collect from dumps. http://www.sterlinghill.org/ http://www.franklinmineralmuseum.com/ Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Franklin mineral museum > Hi > I'm looking for info about the franklin mineral museum in new jersey. > What I want to know is if people can dig for floresent minerals there that > they can keep? > If you know the answer I would be most greatful for the info. > > thanks > > bob > > RRoscioli@aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From anthony.schlinsog at chca.com Mon Feb 19 06:47:01 2007 From: anthony.schlinsog at chca.com (Anthony Schlinsog) Date: Mon Feb 19 06:47:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? Message-ID: <88141DBF4B963244AC4DAC5E82C06F714315A6@chcasrvmail1.chca.com> Bob, I'm not sure how much time you will have in Salina, but there are some fairly interesting (for Kansas, that is) places to dig near Salina. I appreciate the info you gave me about 3 years ago on some garnet collecting sites near Topaz Mountain, UT and would be glad to return the favor. You can find marcasite, selenite, barite roses (they actually look more like peach pits with ridges) and "spicky" iron concretions weathering from various places along the lake shore at Kanopolis State Park, about 30 minutes west of Salina. There is also a location at the lake where I've collected a number of turritella fossils (a spiraled snail) from the loose Kiowa Formation shale, some of which have been pyritized. Up north of Wilson Lake (about an hour west of Salina) I've collected selenite crystals and septarian concretions. The concretions are on private land. I know the farm house of the owner and I've stopped by for permission in the past, which he always freely granted, but unfortunately, I don't know his name or phone number. The chalk beds of western Kansas have yielded plenty of large marine fossils and sharks teeth, but I am not aware of any public places to collect. The volcanic ash deposits north of Wilson Lake have yielded large mammal fossils, but again, this land is pretty much all private. You might try contacting Bob Levin (see first two links below) for more information on these locals. About 40 minutes drive east of Salina I know of a place to collect Geodes from a road cut. The interior of the geodes are rather plain - just small white Calcite. But kids still love to crack them open! I've collected at all of these sites and can give you more specifics as to the exact locations if you are interested. Actually, depending on the weather that weekend, I maybe heading out in that direction myself. I've furnished a few links below that you might find interesting. Good luck on your trip! http://www.angelfire.com/ks2/boneman5/ http://www.angelfire.com/ks2/mammoth/page1.html http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/outreach/ckft.html http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/fieldtrips/guidebooks/KANOP/KANOP1.html Anthony Schlinsog -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:21 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? Hi all, My girlfriend and I will be driving to the middle of Kansas (Salina) the weekend of March 16th and are wondering if there are any good digging locations between Salina and Denver. Thanks, Bob -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jeanne at jeannius.com Tue Feb 20 04:22:01 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Tue Feb 20 04:22:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] frog in amber Message-ID: <45DAE7E9.5060103@jeannius.com> thought this would be of interest here... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070217/ap_on_sc/mexico_frog_in_amber;_ylt=ArURYEOlxak63RkLxV7gghgDW7oF -- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Feb 20 08:46:53 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Feb 20 08:46:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson visit In-Reply-To: <449508.37769.qm@web56314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <449508.37769.qm@web56314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45DB25FD.6010104@tenforward.com> Hi J.R., I really want to thank you for your Tucson report! Being mentioned in it was certainly a plus (!), but as much, I appreciated just having the chance to cruise around the shows with you, at least vicariously! As you know, being stuck in my room as I am, I hardly get out, and usually manage only a dozen or so rooms a year (what a pity!). I did manage to visit the TCC and really very much enjoyed the experience. The displays were awesome as were the specimens displayed in many of the dealers booths! I visited T, F and Sat. mornings before heading back to open the room. There were so many wonderful friends around again this year, though overall numbers seemed down to me, that if a person is going to be stuck in his room, it ain't so bad. Thanks again for stopping by J.R. (and those other friends from the list too), I'm very much looking forward to next year and Denver, Fall, upcoming. I'll get a report up one of these days, but for now, I'm just happy to be home! All the very best, John J. R. Hodel wrote: >Hi All: > > Martha and I flew into Tucson last Feb 1st, and immediately left for Cochise county, AZ, southeast of Tucson, where my cousin Vicki lives and works. We bought a small acreage about 15 miles east of Tombstone last summer, after visiting last winter and seeing the great view. > > But I couldn't be in Arizona in February without trying to spend some time at the various rock, gem, mineral and fossil venues around Tucson. > > So Martha and I drove down to town on Thursday, and first we booked a room at the Red Roof Inn beside the Tucson Expo Center. My field trip buddy Dan asked me to look around for an amethyst cathedral geode, and I thought this venue, with large banners about Brazilian minerals, would be as good as any to start looking. > > I found a whole wall covered with them (some were taller than I am at 6 ft even!!!) and selected one in Dan's price range. It has the typical wonderful purple quartz crystals, and a pretty good looking gold calcite as a bonus. > > Then Martha and I stopped by a couple of hotels and more permanent venues, on the way to a restaurant called La Fuenta (the fountain), where we had tentatively arranged to meet TangoJulie (Tina) and Pete Modreski of the list, and some other rocky people who aren't as active on the list...but who had excellent credentials as rockhounds. > > The meet was fun, it was great to put a face to Pete and Tina, and neither one of them surprised me a bit - we looked at each other's rocks, tina and Pete gave me small specimens, we looked at a number of rocks using a LED UV light source, big fun! > > The food was great too! > > The next day, Friday, I ran a couple of errands, and tried to park to visit the Convention Center, home of the "Big Show". I wound up crossing under I-10 and parking in Nevada (well, not really, but it was a long walk to the hall!) and walking to the show. I first bought a tote bag for the loot I hoped to buy, and ball cap, you can't have too many of them! > > Then I stopped by the USGS booth to say hi to Pete, who promptly gave me a rock, and told me that Tina wasn't around but was in the show, somewhere. I bought several pamplets and a geologic map of Arizona from the state Geologic Survey booth, and headed for the main show. > > This was my second visit to the main show, last year we were in Tucson before it happened, and I just visited the various hotel venues, but I did visit the main show back in the late 90s. > > I was a little disappointed. I did run into Tina, and we walked around together for a couple of hours. She had a mission, a calcite she wanted, and a purchase for a cousin, too. We visited many dealers, and the displays were obviously fabulous. But I didn't see anything that I had to have. I finally decided to try some of the hotel venues I liked last winter, and left. > > I went to the InnSuites, near I-10, and not too far north of the city center and convention center. Some dealers were closed, having moved to the convention center, others were packing up to leave, but many were doing business as usual. > > I did see John Cornish (Hi John!!) and admired his remaining stock. He had sold out one whole display cabinet! But he did have plenty of nice heulandite/mordenite specimens from his Idaho mine, and some Arizona specimens, and some world-wide specimens. I saw a pretty and stout wulfenite from the Defiance Mine in Gleeson, AZ, which I drive past to get to our land here in Arizona! That was a "had to have it" rock for sure! > > I bought one in the past that turned out to be so fragile that even mounted in a box, just picking up the box to move it causes fragments too fall off. This one is much sturdier, and will be a fine beginning to a suite of Cochise county minerals. > > Then I ran into an Aussie selling opals. Since Martha loves them, and Valentine's Day is around the corner, I got one, a nice blue cab. Safe for another year! > > I also visited Mr Ward's Fluorescent room, dark but for the UV lamps, and the bright colors the UV causes in the otherwise ordinary rocks. I bought a big lab-grown ruby crystal, and a cabbed fuschite with rubies in it that glowed quite well. > > And I got a blue tourmaline on matrix from Brazil that's pretty sweet. And then I visited a room full of fossils from Morocco. I know what you're thinking, and I know that lots of those are pretty imaginative, with paint and filler making up a majority of the slab, but this one isn't like that! > > It's got a ton of detail, and was obviously prepped with an abrasive blaster. it's just a single crinoid head, but it's sweet, very sweet, especially for a field collector whose spent several summer weekends trying to find one in Indiana! > > Over all we had a good time. I was a little disappointed about the main show, which seemed to have more jewelers than I remembered, and really high prices. But the hotels were good shows, just as I remembered. > > Now we're back in Cochise county, meeting new friends and making plans to start developing the lilttle "ranch" back of Gleeson. > > I have no doubt that we'll hear from John Cornish about his experiences this year, and I can confirm that a couple of fellows were busted with about 11 thousand carats of undocumented diamonds. Another dealer was busted for selling fake Rolex watches. > > Years ago I got a real deal on a small but pretty emerald on matrix, which many months (or years) later turned out to be reattached to matrix with UV-fluorescent stupid glue, my own fault for not asking if it was repaired, kinda, but I did feel ripped off. So keep your eyes open! > > It was a great time, and I got to see many, many fabulous specimens and gemstones, and fossils. > > If you ever get a chance to visit Arizona in late Jan or early Feb, do whatever it takes to make it happen, and let me know, maybe we can get together for dinner. > > Keep on rockin! > JR in AZ > > >--------------------------------- >Don't pick lemons. >See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Feb 20 22:19:53 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Feb 20 22:19:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] frog in amber Message-ID: Very nice, complete with a good picture! Glenn > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:22:01 -0500> From: jeanne@jeannius.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] frog in amber> > thought this would be of interest here...> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070217/ap_on_sc/mexico_frog_in_amber;_ylt=ArURYEOlxak63RkLxV7gghgDW7oF> > -- > -- _________________________________________________________________ Get the most out of tax shelters and other breaks. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/TaxShelters/TaxShelters.aspx?icid=WLtextFebtagline --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Wed Feb 21 09:02:26 2007 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Wed Feb 21 09:02:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club House Insurance Message-ID: <887535.84106.qm@web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: I am doing research on how clubs insure the exposure for their club houses. Do you purchase individual insurance through a local agent or are you able to insure it though your Federation? My thoughts are to have an individual policy so the limits of liability would not be diluted in case of a claim made against a large organization. You can contact me at: jayhawkmn@yahoo.com. Thanks for your assistance in this project. June Young --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Tue Feb 20 17:54:57 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Wed Feb 21 11:30:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Delaware Mineralogical Society Show Coming soon. Message-ID: <013101c7555b$6d29a860$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Saturday March 3, 2007 and Sunday March 4, 2007. The Delaware Mineralogical Society, Inc. will hold its 44th Annual Earth Science Gem and Mineral Show @ Delaware Technical and Community College @ I-95 Exit 4B, Churchmans Road (Rt 58) Newark (Stanton), DE 19713. Hours Saturday are 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and Sunday 11:00 a.m. till 5:00 p.m. The show features educational exhibits of mineral, lapidary and fossil specimens, displays from regional and university museums, an expanded roster of fine dealers of minerals, fossils, gems, jewelry and lapidary supplies, door prizes, demonstrations of gem cutting and polishing and a children's table, where youngsters may purchase inexpensive mineral and fossil specimens. Admission is $5.00, $4.00 for seniors, $3.00 for youngsters between 12 and 16, and free for children under 12 accompanied by an adult. The Delaware Mineralogical Society is a non-profit organization, affiliated with the Eastern Federation of Mineral Societies, and dedicated to learning and teaching about the earth sciences, rocks, minerals, fossils and the lapidary arts. Membership is open to all who are interested in these areas. Info and Coupons at www.delminsociety.net or contact gene@fossilnut.com. This should be a great show. We have a new fossil dealer and I have a lot of new material. Gene --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 06:04:08 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Feb 23 06:04:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] More on the mud volcano Message-ID: BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mineral.maertens at att.net Sat Feb 24 08:15:49 2007 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sat Feb 24 08:19:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico Calcite and Humor In-Reply-To: <200701170206.l0H26fAC003073@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: While I was searching the net for a well crystallized New Mexico calcite specimen Humor: I came across following New Mexico sale: STRANGE ROCK W/ EMBEDDED APPARENT ELECTRONIC PART http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6269877795 On a more serious note: I found some double terminated scalenohedron calcite: colorless, 5mm long, with other crystals on breccia like matrix from the Kelly Mine, Magdalena District, Socorro Co., New Mexico, USA Something tells me this is not labeled right. There are no copper minerals on the specimens. Anyone can provide tips on how to identify a Kelly Mine calcite? Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net calcite4ever at gmail dot com Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From rpr at heidelberg.edu Sat Feb 24 10:54:28 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Sat Feb 24 10:54:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico Calcite and Humor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm pretty sure it's just a re-chargeable rock. Pete Richards On Feb 24, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Johan Maertens wrote: > While I was searching the net for a well crystallized New Mexico > calcite specimen > > Humor: I came across following New Mexico sale: STRANGE ROCK W/ > EMBEDDED APPARENT ELECTRONIC PART > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6269877795 > > On a more serious note: > I found some double terminated scalenohedron calcite: colorless, 5mm > long, with other crystals on breccia like matrix > from the Kelly Mine, Magdalena District, Socorro Co., New Mexico, USA > Something tells me this is not labeled right. > There are no copper minerals on the specimens. > Anyone can provide tips on how to identify a Kelly Mine calcite? > > Johan Maertens > mineral dot maertens at att dot net > calcite4ever at gmail dot com > > Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? > Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at > http://www.minerant.org > Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite > Collectors Association > Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Feb 24 10:58:12 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Feb 24 10:58:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico Calcite and Humor Message-ID: And an extra convenience, if you bought that specimen on ebay, you wouldn't have to pay cash, you could just "charge it"!


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From calcite65 at earthlink.net Sat Feb 24 11:27:31 2007 From: calcite65 at earthlink.net (Charles Creekmur) Date: Sat Feb 24 11:27:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico Calcite and Humor References: Message-ID: <000501c75849$d8185a40$6602a8c0@CHAS05951D9DC8> I have a flat of the calcites you describe that were collected in the late 1950's that fluoresce a brilliant "Franklin, NJ red" Pretty hard to come in recent years. Charles From mineral.maertens at att.net Sat Feb 24 13:00:35 2007 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sat Feb 24 13:04:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Electric-pulse disaggregation (EPD) was New Mexico Calcite and Humor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am setting up a few USB enabled rocks in the work shop. Hey half a million bucks a piece on e-bay will buy me all the calcite I ever wanted including that elusive calcite from Kaua'i Next time I go to the desert or a quarry (where there is NEVER an outlet when you need it) I will have a few charged rocks. Maybe this rock was rigged for Electric-pulse disaggregation (EPD) [a mineral separation technique] Note: do not try this at home Raise your hands with me: who tried to run a granite sample in the microwave for a minute? Johan Maertens Mineral dot Maertens at att dot net calcite4ever at gmail dot com Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sat Feb 24 22:45:24 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat Feb 24 22:45:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? In-Reply-To: <88141DBF4B963244AC4DAC5E82C06F714315A6@chcasrvmail1.chca.com> Message-ID: <200702250645.l1P6jPLD016531@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Anthony and Steve, Thanks for the Kansas info! I'm not sure if we will be going yet, but as soon as I find out, I'll let you know. Regards, Bob Loeffler -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Schlinsog [mailto:anthony.schlinsog@chca.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:47 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Cc: Bob Loeffler Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? Bob, I'm not sure how much time you will have in Salina, but there are some fairly interesting (for Kansas, that is) places to dig near Salina. I appreciate the info you gave me about 3 years ago on some garnet collecting sites near Topaz Mountain, UT and would be glad to return the favor. You can find marcasite, selenite, barite roses (they actually look more like peach pits with ridges) and "spicky" iron concretions weathering from various places along the lake shore at Kanopolis State Park, about 30 minutes west of Salina. There is also a location at the lake where I've collected a number of turritella fossils (a spiraled snail) from the loose Kiowa Formation shale, some of which have been pyritized. Up north of Wilson Lake (about an hour west of Salina) I've collected selenite crystals and septarian concretions. The concretions are on private land. I know the farm house of the owner and I've stopped by for permission in the past, which he always freely granted, but unfortunately, I don't know his name or phone number. The chalk beds of western Kansas have yielded plenty of large marine fossils and sharks teeth, but I am not aware of any public places to collect. The volcanic ash deposits north of Wilson Lake have yielded large mammal fossils, but again, this land is pretty much all private. You might try contacting Bob Levin (see first two links below) for more information on these locals. About 40 minutes drive east of Salina I know of a place to collect Geodes from a road cut. The interior of the geodes are rather plain - just small white Calcite. But kids still love to crack them open! I've collected at all of these sites and can give you more specifics as to the exact locations if you are interested. Actually, depending on the weather that weekend, I maybe heading out in that direction myself. I've furnished a few links below that you might find interesting. Good luck on your trip! http://www.angelfire.com/ks2/boneman5/ http://www.angelfire.com/ks2/mammoth/page1.html http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/outreach/ckft.html http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/fieldtrips/guidebooks/KANOP/KANOP1.html Anthony Schlinsog -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:21 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: [Rockhounds] Digging locations in Kansas? Hi all, My girlfriend and I will be driving to the middle of Kansas (Salina) the weekend of March 16th and are wondering if there are any good digging locations between Salina and Denver. Thanks, Bob -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Feb 25 08:08:35 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Feb 25 08:07:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Address needed References: <001601c743b6$2a419b40$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> <000c01c743c7$3abee390$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <001a01c758f7$355e7e20$d789284b@LarryRush> I am getting rejects on my attempts to contact Reto Schachtler, in Switzerland. Does anyone know his latest e-mail address? Thanks....Larry Rush From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 15:12:00 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Feb 25 15:12:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power Message-ID: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all: As long as we're talking about ancient secrets, I thought I would run this past you all. I heard from a friend that they learned that people in Pompey, before the eruption, used to light the streets with rocks that would absorb sunlight all day long, and then would glow to mark the way. I suppose they may have heard this on A&E or Discovery channel...I don't watch much TV so I couldn't say. Has anyone heard this before? As dark as it was in an ancient city, rocks wouldn't have to be too bright to have an effect, even for just a couple of hours would be a miracle to the folks back then...heck, it'd be a miracle here on the farm today! KoR, JR --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Sun Feb 25 16:02:35 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Feb 25 16:03:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200702260002.l1Q02xVE007596@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Well I could see molten lava bombs lighting the streets, but I wouldn't want to be around for that particular street lighting. If they were strongly phosphorescent they might glow for a few hours after dark, but where would they get phosphorescent rocks or pigments? Otherwise, how do you propose rocks could glow with only sunlight to heat them? Sounds a little absurd to me in either case... At 03:12 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: >Hi all: > >As long as we're talking about ancient secrets, I thought I would >run this past you all. I heard from a friend that they learned that >people in Pompey, before the eruption, used to light the streets >with rocks that would absorb sunlight all day long, and then would >glow to mark the way. > >I suppose they may have heard this on A&E or Discovery channel...I >don't watch much TV so I couldn't say. Has anyone heard this before? > >As dark as it was in an ancient city, rocks wouldn't have to be too >bright to have an effect, even for just a couple of hours would be a >miracle to the folks back then...heck, it'd be a miracle here on the >farm today! > >KoR, >JR > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sun Feb 25 16:20:44 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Sun Feb 25 16:22:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power References: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200702260002.l1Q02xVE007596@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: yes...the citizens of Pompeii standing around watching glowing rocks as they were being covered in Volcanic ash... niiice....:-) Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > Well I could see molten lava bombs lighting the streets, but I wouldn't > want to be around for that particular street lighting. If they were > strongly phosphorescent they might glow for a few hours after dark, but > where would they get phosphorescent rocks or pigments? Otherwise, how do > you propose rocks could glow with only sunlight to heat them? Sounds a > little absurd to me in either case... > > At 03:12 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: >>Hi all: >> >>As long as we're talking about ancient secrets, I thought I would run this >>past you all. I heard from a friend that they learned that people in >>Pompey, before the eruption, used to light the streets with rocks that >>would absorb sunlight all day long, and then would glow to mark the way. >> >>I suppose they may have heard this on A&E or Discovery channel...I don't >>watch much TV so I couldn't say. Has anyone heard this before? >> >>As dark as it was in an ancient city, rocks wouldn't have to be too bright >>to have an effect, even for just a couple of hours would be a miracle to >>the folks back then...heck, it'd be a miracle here on the farm today! >> >>KoR, >>JR >> > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 16:23:33 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Feb 25 16:23:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gee did they have perpetual motion too? You sure they didn't here it on the Psychic network? BK On 2/25/07, J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi all: > > As long as we're talking about ancient secrets, I thought I would run this > past you all. I heard from a friend that they learned that people in > Pompey, before the eruption, used to light the streets with rocks that would > absorb sunlight all day long, and then would glow to mark the way. > > I suppose they may have heard this on A&E or Discovery channel...I don't > watch much TV so I couldn't say. Has anyone heard this before? > > As dark as it was in an ancient city, rocks wouldn't have to be too bright > to have an effect, even for just a couple of hours would be a miracle to the > folks back then...heck, it'd be a miracle here on the farm today! > > KoR, > JR > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Feb 25 17:37:59 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Feb 25 17:38:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power Message-ID: no way, Jose! I don't believe this could ever have really been done. I know there were various ancient or medieval stories about rocks that were phosphorescent, that would glow after being exposed to light; or synthetic preparations that would do this (probably containing phosphorus), that would glow after being "cooked up" by some alchemist. But it's highly improbable that any of these could really glow brightly enough to be in any way useful for something as practical as street lighting. Pete M.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Sun Feb 25 17:47:46 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sun Feb 25 17:48:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E23C42.4010300@arczip.com> Glowing Rocks? What everyone is possibly missing is that the Pompeians may have had help from the folks from......up "there"? Chuck :-D Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >no way, Jose! > >I don't believe this could ever have really been done. I know there were >various ancient or medieval stories about rocks that were phosphorescent, that >would glow after being exposed to light; or synthetic preparations that would >do this (probably containing phosphorus), that would glow after being >"cooked up" by some alchemist. But it's highly improbable that any of these could >really glow brightly enough to be in any way useful for something as >practical as street lighting. > >Pete M. >


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AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Feb 25 20:20:40 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Feb 25 20:20:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report Coming Message-ID: We just got home from a weekend trip to 2 mines near LaGrange, Georgia. One was primarily for pink quartz hunks plus beryl and the other was was for terminated quartz crystals. More of the story to come after I sleep then work tomorrow. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger? http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Sun Feb 25 21:34:22 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Sun Feb 25 21:34:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lights in Pompeii In-Reply-To: <200702260202.l1Q22Mfp017540@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <768770.93318.qm@web60814.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I am not an expert, but I was a tour guide in Pompeii for the Naples Archaeological Society for 2 years while I was stationed there, and did my thesis on various iconography and artwork there, and don't remember anything of the sort. I will tell you that the pompeiians used lots of clever devices for light, including a selection of objects that caused the victorians no end of shock in the 18-19C and were usually locked up in "camere segrete" (secret rooms). Phalli were considered good luck, anti-bad luck, and for fertility so they were used frequently in oil lamps, as markers incised in the basalt paving stones (to mark the way to the brothel), and above ovens (to prevent the bread from falling or burning). They used beautiful oil lamps suspended tripod-like from chains; torches and braziers, etc. Thankfully, this was preserved in varying states of preservation in Pompeii and much much better over in Herculaneum (modern Ercolano). The Vesuvio's 79AD disaster left us with one of the most wondrous vignettes of everyday ancient life on the planet. If someone hears something conclusive that this rocks as light was the case, I'd love to know about it. Less than half the city was excavated in the 80s when I was there, so who knows what they've found in the interim???? Best, Tina Message: 3 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: "J. R. Hodel" Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all: As long as we're talking about ancient secrets, I thought I would run this past you all. I heard from a friend that they learned that people in Pompey, before the eruption, used to light the streets with rocks that would absorb sunlight all day long, and then would glow to mark the way. I suppose they may have heard this on A&E or Discovery channel...I don't watch much TV so I couldn't say. Has anyone heard this before? As dark as it was in an ancient city, rocks wouldn't have to be too bright to have an effect, even for just a couple of hours would be a miracle to the folks back then...heck, it'd be a miracle here on the farm today! KoR, --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 26 01:54:46 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 26 01:54:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: <45E23C42.4010300@arczip.com> References: <45E23C42.4010300@arczip.com> Message-ID: <001801c7598c$25851280$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I'd be careful before shouting impossible :-) I have in my possession several pieces of what seems to be chert. It comes from Papua, New Guinea. Its new, I've never heard of it or seen it before. After being exposed to sunlight these pieces glow in the dark for hours. Actually they still glow after 10 days or more but not strong enough to be of any use. Reportedly the local tribes actually use large chunks of this material to light their homes and village for hours after sundown. My source, from whom I acquired these specimens, is very secretive about the exact location and he specializes in trading of healing stones and other esoteric paraphernalia. Needless to say that I'll be very careful in making statements about these rocks. Here goes: Its' a grey looking material and quite light, slightly porous. It's harder than glass. The material has no clear cleavage but the breaks in thin fragments that can easily be used to cut things. Not really razor sharp but still sharp. Surface of the cleavage is somewhat rougher, less smooth, than that of flint. Cleavage is also not concoidal. Fluorescence is extremely strong under all wavelengths that best in short wave ultraviolet. I have seen specimens in 3 different colors: greenish yellow, green and blue. One specimen has both green and yellow. The blue fluorescence is the weakest as is phosphorescence. The latter requires a dark adapted eye. The yellow and green phosphorescence is amazingly strong and lasting. The material looks natural enough but one should always be aware that there are synthetic materials going around. I did some testing to see whether the specimens were perhaps " cooked up". Phosphorescent paint would come off by boiling a specimen in a mixture of toluene, cyclohexane, THF and acetone. It didn't; after the treatment (boiling for one hour in the aforementioned mixture) the specimen was as phosphorescent as before (after exposing it to light again) and the solvent did not show any trace of paint. It was a very noticeable that the specimen is a very thermo luminescent. During the extraction its temperature was raised to about 120? C. As the specimen warmed up, the phosphorescence peaked. After about half an hour it completely faded. Upon cooling, phosphorescence returned. Okay, maybe there's some organic matter included in the rock. So, I decided to sacrifice a specimen and expose it to some serious heat. First test was heating a specimen to 550? C under nitrogen atmosphere. This resulted in a very bright phosphorescence for a few minutes before the specimen went completely dead. I left it in the oven for about half an hour. After 10 minutes of cooling and exposing it to light, the specimen glowed happily as before. A second test consisted of heating the same specimen to 750? C in atmospheric conditions. Again I saw a fairly bright flash of phosphorescence that lasted about half a minute before the specimen reached what seems to be a critical temperature at which all luminescence seizes. I looked at the fluorescence through my spectroscope. The emission is continuous to the naked eye. There are no bands visible so there is no uranium involved. This is really the weirdest stuff that I have ever seen. I have only very small fragments of 1 to 2 cm at most but I can imagine that larger pieces can be used for indoor riding. A piece with the size of a dinner plate would easily suffice to read your newspaper at midnight if you left it out in the sun the day before. Anybody heard of this before??? To be continued I guess ;-))) Axel Emmermann European Regional VP of the Fluorescent Mineral Society http://www.uvminerals.org/ My website:http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/ > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Charles Baran > Verzonden: maandag 26 februari 2007 2:48 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > > Glowing Rocks? What everyone is possibly missing is that the > Pompeians may have had help from the folks from......up "there"? > Chuck :-D > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > >no way, Jose! > > > >I don't believe this could ever have really been done. I > know there > >were various ancient or medieval stories about rocks that were > >phosphorescent, that would glow after being exposed to light; or > >synthetic preparations that would do this (probably containing > >phosphorus), that would glow after being "cooked up" by some > >alchemist. But it's highly improbable that any of these > could really > >glow brightly enough to be in any way useful for something > as practical as street lighting. > > > >Pete M. > >


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AOL > now offers > >free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > >http://www.aol.com. > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Feb 26 05:42:59 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Feb 26 05:43:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c759ac$077b5a40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> My illustrious predecessor, Gerard Barmarin has recently finished a paper about luminescence. In it, there is the story of Vincenzo Cascariolo and his invention: the Bologna Stone. Seems like this heat-treated barite-cake was something in between useful and novelty. If I remember correctly you could read by its light for quite some time... Maybe something to try out on a European FMS meeting... (almost there Don ;-))) Axel Emmermann Schatbewaarder Koninklijke Wipmaatschappij La Renaissance V.Z.W. > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: maandag 26 februari 2007 2:38 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > > no way, Jose! > > I don't believe this could ever have really been done. I > know there were various ancient or medieval stories about > rocks that were phosphorescent, that would glow after being > exposed to light; or synthetic preparations that would do > this (probably containing phosphorus), that would glow after > being "cooked up" by some alchemist. But it's highly > improbable that any of these could really glow brightly > enough to be in any way useful for something as practical as > street lighting. > > Pete M. >


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AOL > now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about > what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Steve.Condon at nysam.org Mon Feb 26 06:07:45 2007 From: Steve.Condon at nysam.org (Steve.Condon ) Date: Mon Feb 26 06:08:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico Calcite and Humor Message-ID: <200702260907.AA76808342@nysam.org> Must be visa-ite, then. Steve >>>I'm pretty sure it's just a re-chargeable rock. Pete Richards <<< From: "R. Peter Richards" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Mexico Calcite and Humor --- On Feb 24, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Johan Maertens wrote: > Humor: I came across following New Mexico sale: STRANGE ROCK W/ > EMBEDDED APPARENT ELECTRONIC PART > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6269877795 From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 26 06:57:33 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Feb 26 06:57:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070226145733.85737.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As I read the original post, it sounds like we're not talking about street lighting, as in street lamps, but more in the nature of the emergency lighting you see on passenger aircraft to mark the aisles. This would certainly be possible, although I'd be surprised to learn that the technology was known back then. We do have solar-powered patio lights, and phosphorescent driveway markers. Jim Daly Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: no way, Jose! I don't believe this could ever have really been done. I know there were various ancient or medieval stories about rocks that were phosphorescent, that would glow after being exposed to light; or synthetic preparations that would do this (probably containing phosphorus), that would glow after being "cooked up" by some alchemist. But it's highly improbable that any of these could really glow brightly enough to be in any way useful for something as practical as street lighting. Pete M. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From silverado at frontiernet.net Mon Feb 26 06:58:28 2007 From: silverado at frontiernet.net (Gail) Date: Mon Feb 26 07:58:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lights in Pompeii References: <768770.93318.qm@web60814.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c759b6$9356d5d0$c2bd214a@gail7diqufk9xy> What interesting info. I love it, thanks for posting it. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "tango juli" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:34 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Lights in Pompeii > Well, I am not an expert, but I was a tour guide in Pompeii for the Naples > Archaeological Society for 2 years while I was stationed there, and did my > thesis on various iconography and artwork there, and don't remember > anything of the sort. > I will tell you that the pompeiians used lots of clever devices for > light, including a selection of objects that caused the victorians no end > of shock in the 18-19C and were usually locked up in "camere segrete" > (secret rooms). Phalli were considered good luck, anti-bad luck, and for > fertility so they were used frequently in oil lamps, as markers incised in > the basalt paving stones (to mark the way to the brothel), and above ovens > (to prevent the bread from falling or burning). > > They used beautiful oil lamps suspended tripod-like from chains; torches > and braziers, etc. > Thankfully, this was preserved in varying states of preservation in > Pompeii and much much better over in Herculaneum (modern Ercolano). The > Vesuvio's 79AD disaster left us with one of the most wondrous vignettes of > everyday ancient life on the planet. > If someone hears something conclusive that this rocks as light was the > case, I'd love to know about it. Less than half the city was excavated in > the 80s when I was there, so who knows what they've found in the > interim???? > Best, > Tina > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:12:00 -0800 (PST) > From: "J. R. Hodel" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: <802960.26496.qm@web56315.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all: > > As long as we're talking about ancient secrets, I thought I would run > this past you all. I heard from a friend that they learned that people > in Pompey, before the eruption, used to light the streets with rocks > that would absorb sunlight all day long, and then would glow to mark the > way. > > I suppose they may have heard this on A&E or Discovery channel...I > don't watch much TV so I couldn't say. Has anyone heard this before? > > As dark as it was in an ancient city, rocks wouldn't have to be too > bright to have an effect, even for just a couple of hours would be a > miracle to the folks back then...heck, it'd be a miracle here on the farm > today! > > KoR, > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From bobl at peaktopeak.com Mon Feb 26 11:03:11 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Feb 26 11:03:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200702261903.l1QJ3BP6005659@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Kevin, You should ask around in Cripple Creek and Victor to see if there are any accessible digging areas. As you know by now, there are numerous mines around there and most of them are private property. There are one or two working mines in Cripple Creek and I think they might still be using cyanide to leach the minerals out. There are one or two mine tours (e.g. the Mollie Kathleen Mine) in the area, but I'm sure they don't allow digging and they are probably seasonal (not open in the winter). :-) Also, look up the "Bad Boys of Cripple Creek". David Graham has a turquoise claim. I don't know if he allows digging in it, though. His number is 719-689-2982 (or 719-648-4657). There is a tourmaline pegmatite location to the west of Cripple Creek and south of Florissant. We went there a few years ago with our club and found some pieces or black tourmaline (schorl), so I put it on my Colorado Rockhounding website. Here is the main page for this location: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/location.php3?locationid=329 Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact directions to get there but I have approximate directions below. Maybe someone in town will be able to point you in the right direction. Here are some tourmaline pictures from there: http://www.peaktopeak.com/colorado/minpics.php3?mineralid=103&locationid=329 Approximate directions: Mileages below are estimates from looking at a map and from what I remember since I didn't take any odometer readings on this trip. The Four Mile Creek location is open to collecting as far as I know. I think it's on BLM land and nobody had claimed it as of a few years ago. These are directions to get there from Colorado Springs. I'll let you figure it out from your location: 1. Drive west on Highway 24 to Florissant. Turn south in Florissant on the road that goes to Cripple Creek and the Florissant Fossil Beds. 2. After approximately 8 miles, 11 Rd. will be on your right. 3. Drive on 11 Rd. for approximately 4 miles. 4. At this point, there will be a "T" in the road. Go left. You will be on High Park Rd. 5. After around 2.5 to 3 miles (you will be on High Park Rd which is still actually 11 Rd), there will be a dirt road and gate on the left side of the main road (which curves to the right if I remember correctly). 6. Go thru the gate and close it behind you. Drive on the main dirt road until it ends in a little turnaround spot. 7. Backtrack on the dirt road a few hundred feet until you see a track going across a large treeless area (some people called it a meadow) on your left. 8. Drive on the track a few hundred yards until the track disappears near the trees. You should be in the general vicinity of the tourmaline pegmatites. Look for a couple big holes. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Paintricks@AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:21 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? Hey everyone, I just moved near Cripple creek and was wondering if anyone has collected here and what to look for. A post of pictures in the responses would be really helpful. Anyone heard of mineral hill? We are just doen the road from this area. Maybe the Oil Creek area? Thanks for the help. Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Paintricks at aol.com Mon Feb 26 15:48:32 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 26 15:48:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? Message-ID: Hey Bob, Thank you for the info. I would love a topo map with very detailed locations of claims and public land boundaries. We have a 100 acre ranch and the land that is all around it is a little hard to figure out without knowing all my neighbors. Also I would like to know the history of this land and mineral deposits of the area. 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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 26 17:20:43 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 26 17:20:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power References: <45E23C42.4010300@arczip.com> <001801c7598c$25851280$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <45E38761.50B4@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. It can easily be mixed into synthetic materials and not be extracted by solvents. I don't think it would be hard to make a cherty looking ceramic containing phosphorescent pigment. Use two different pigments, pour together the two batches and stir lightly to make 3D color spirals in the baked 'rock'. You could make your own "Axel Emmermann Glow In The Dark 'Moon Rocks'" and sell them in infomercials on TV and the Internet. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > I'd be careful before shouting impossible :-) > > I have in my possession several pieces of what seems to be chert. It comes > from Papua, New Guinea. Its new, I've never heard of it or seen it before. > After being exposed to sunlight these pieces glow in the dark for hours. > Actually they still glow after 10 days or more but not strong enough to be > of any use. > Reportedly the local tribes actually use large chunks of this material to > light their homes and village for hours after sundown. > My source, from whom I acquired these specimens, is very secretive about the > exact location and he specializes in trading of healing stones and other > esoteric paraphernalia. > Needless to say that I'll be very careful in making statements about these > rocks. > > Here goes: > Its' a grey looking material and quite light, slightly porous. It's harder > than glass. The material has no clear cleavage but the breaks in thin > fragments that can easily be used to cut things. Not really razor sharp but > still sharp. Surface of the cleavage is somewhat rougher, less smooth, than > that of flint. Cleavage is also not concoidal. > Fluorescence is extremely strong under all wavelengths that best in short > wave ultraviolet. I have seen specimens in 3 different colors: greenish > yellow, green and blue. One specimen has both green and yellow. > The blue fluorescence is the weakest as is phosphorescence. The latter > requires a dark adapted eye. > The yellow and green phosphorescence is amazingly strong and lasting. > > The material looks natural enough but one should always be aware that there > are synthetic materials going around. > I did some testing to see whether the specimens were perhaps " cooked up". > > Phosphorescent paint would come off by boiling a specimen in a mixture of > toluene, cyclohexane, THF and acetone. It didn't; after the treatment > (boiling for one hour in the aforementioned mixture) the specimen was as > phosphorescent as before (after exposing it to light again) and the solvent > did not show any trace of paint. It was a very noticeable that the specimen > is a very thermo luminescent. During the extraction its temperature was > raised to about 120? C. As the specimen warmed up, the phosphorescence > peaked. After about half an hour it completely faded. Upon cooling, > phosphorescence returned. > > Okay, maybe there's some organic matter included in the rock. So, I decided > to sacrifice a specimen and expose it to some serious heat. > First test was heating a specimen to 550? C under nitrogen atmosphere. This > resulted in a very bright phosphorescence for a few minutes before the > specimen went completely dead. I left it in the oven for about half an > hour. After 10 minutes of cooling and exposing it to light, the specimen > glowed happily as before. > A second test consisted of heating the same specimen to 750? C in > atmospheric conditions. Again I saw a fairly bright flash of > phosphorescence that lasted about half a minute before the specimen reached > what seems to be a critical temperature at which all luminescence seizes. > > I looked at the fluorescence through my spectroscope. The emission is > continuous to the naked eye. There are no bands visible so there is no > uranium involved. This is really the weirdest stuff that I have ever seen. > I have only very small fragments of 1 to 2 cm at most but I can imagine that > larger pieces can be used for indoor riding. > A piece with the size of a dinner plate would easily suffice to read your > newspaper at midnight if you left it out in the sun the day before. > > Anybody heard of this before??? > > To be continued I guess ;-))) > > Axel Emmermann > European Regional VP of the > Fluorescent Mineral Society > http://www.uvminerals.org/ > My website:http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/ > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Charles Baran > > Verzonden: maandag 26 februari 2007 2:48 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > > > > Glowing Rocks? What everyone is possibly missing is that the > > Pompeians may have had help from the folks from......up "there"? > > Chuck :-D > > > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > > > >no way, Jose! > > > > > >I don't believe this could ever have really been done. I > > know there > > >were various ancient or medieval stories about rocks that were > > >phosphorescent, that would glow after being exposed to light; or > > >synthetic preparations that would do this (probably containing > > >phosphorus), that would glow after being "cooked up" by some > > >alchemist. But it's highly improbable that any of these > > could really > > >glow brightly enough to be in any way useful for something > > as practical as street lighting. > > > > > >Pete M. From bobl at peaktopeak.com Mon Feb 26 17:35:26 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Mon Feb 26 17:35:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in CrippleCreek? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200702270135.l1R1ZQML009431@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Yeah, a topo map with all the details on it would be awesome! :-) Maybe the library in Cripple Creek would have lots of good historical info for you. I'm assuming there is a library there. I'm sure someone has written a book about Cripple Creek. It's a famous gold mining town. Do they have a museum there? Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Paintricks@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:49 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in CrippleCreek? Hey Bob, Thank you for the info. I would love a topo map with very detailed locations of claims and public land boundaries. We have a 100 acre ranch and the land that is all around it is a little hard to figure out without knowing all my neighbors. Also I would like to know the history of this land and mineral deposits of the area. I have poked around online and there are a lot of resources but it takes time to figure out. Thanks again Bob. Kevin


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com Mon Feb 26 19:28:18 2007 From: webmaster at rockhoundstation1.com (Sal) Date: Mon Feb 26 19:25:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? Message-ID: <45E3A552.7050502@rockhoundstation1.com> Ah - you hit my soft spot, Kevin - My first find was from the Cripple Creek locality and I've been a foaming at the mouth rockhound ever since. It was a beatiful cluster of 5 nice clear two and a half inch long quartz crystals which I still have on display today. I found them on the Main road that runs the back side of Pikes Peak into Cripple Creek from the north (sorry - don't remember the name of the highway, but that should tell you what you need to know to get there. I'd say I was at least half the elevation to the town where I pulled off - north of the tunnel. Just hike up the mountain anywhere around there and keep your eye open for loose crystal clusters. We found some terrific smokey crystals that day too - a bit smaller, but good ones. Follow the loose crystals up and you might find the source. Good luck. Gee, I miss Colorado. Sal -- Sally Taylor webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com http://www.rockhoundstation1.com From Paintricks at aol.com Mon Feb 26 19:48:11 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 26 19:48:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in CrippleCreek? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:35:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, bobl@peaktopeak.com writes: Yeah, a topo map with all the details on it would be awesome! :-) Maybe the library in Cripple Creek would have lots of good historical info for you. I'm assuming there is a library there. I'm sure someone has written a book about Cripple Creek. It's a famous gold mining town. Do they have a museum there? Regards, Bob Yes there are museums there but I haven't checked into it yet. I'm gonna tour it this next week.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Paintricks at aol.com Mon Feb 26 19:52:28 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 26 19:52:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? Message-ID: That's a great prospect. Haven't heard of that one. My property backs right up to the backbone of Pikes with lots of national forest about to be opened up. I like to hike the unusual trails. I get a bit more banged up for it but I get to places not usually seen so I will look up that area. Coordinates of good rock spots are great. ,.....Anyone havem? Thanks Sal Kevin


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Paintricks at aol.com Mon Feb 26 19:56:34 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Mon Feb 26 19:56:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog down in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is this possible? Kevin


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Feb 26 20:51:05 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Feb 26 20:50:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power References: Message-ID: <45E3B892.212@Tomaszewski.net> There are a number of minerals that are reported as being phosphorescent; Snow, Calcite, Willemite, Chert, and some Phosphates come to mind. Silt from any phosphorescent mineral in a flowing stream should make a remarkable effect. Kreigh Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal > Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on > colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. > > My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog down > in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is this possible? > Kevin From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 03:26:20 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Feb 27 03:26:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power In-Reply-To: <45E3B892.212@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45E3B892.212@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Or maybe bioluminescence in that case. BK On 2/26/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > There are a number of minerals that are reported as being > phosphorescent; Snow, Calcite, Willemite, Chert, and some Phosphates > come to mind. > > Silt from any phosphorescent mineral in a flowing stream should make a > remarkable effect. > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > > A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal > > Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on > > colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. > > > > My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog > down > > in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is > this possible? > > Kevin > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bg at his.com Tue Feb 27 06:29:44 2007 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Tue Feb 27 06:30:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in CrippleCreek? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bbfbab3fd7c534752fabc08b61fb7e8@his.com> enter "molly kathleen" into your favorite search engine. you can tour the gold mine in cripple creek. cathy From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Feb 26 21:09:08 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Feb 27 11:40:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report 2/24-25/2007 Hogg Mine and Crystal Dig Message-ID: Jeanette and I left Mobile very early Saturday morning and picked up Neal Hazen on the way to the Hogg Mine near LaGrange, Georgia. Weather could not have been better and in 5 and a half hours we made the meeting spot just a few minutes ahead of schedule. The parking lot at the corner store was packed with obvious rockhounds in great variety. Experienced looking prospectors to cute small kids and about all you can imagine in between. We signed in, paid the nominal fee, and proceeded the short drive to the Hogg Mine. It is an open pit with huge quartz deposits that have been worked for many years and continue to yield lots of chunks. Finding the desirable rose quartz we wanted was very easy. We found Don and Connie King, also members of the Mobile club as we were looking for our honey hole. Connie was resting her feet on a huge chunk of pink stuff and told us that was their rock and we all laughed. But when we came back out they were gone and so was most of that rock. Getting it separated from the huge blocks is real hard work. And it takes a good degree of skill and care to remove pieces large enough to use for polishing, cabbing, or faceting without shattering the pretty stuff with what looked like a real good place to start my chisel. We had fairly heavy bags to carry out later in the day. There was a Bar-B-Q grill that was mouth watering with hardy sweet smelling smoke and southern hog cooked to tender perfection and delightful. As a matter of fact it was so delightful it was gone before I broke for lunch and trekked out to the stand. Fortunately I had packed some old granola bars and other snacks and I still wish I had gone to the smoker sooner. Way more hungry people than they expected. The beryl was there but I did not see it in large quantity. The best I saw was in a bucket already coming out as we walked in. I did find a chunk of crystal shaped stuff about 2 inches across by 1 and a half inches high (5cm X 3cm) lying on top of the ground near a tailing pile. Another trail led to a site with pencil black tourmaline in matrix. I saw some on a tailgate but we didn't go to that spot ourselves. Neal and I also explored the crushed rock road and picked up several pink quartz nuggets with possible potential. I think I heard around 200 hounds paid to dig that day. Several local folks said they had never seen such a good turnout. We talked with hounds from Virginia, Florida, Atlanta, and saw car tags from lots of other areas. Sunday's weather was not promising as we headed to the continental breakfast at our motel. Heavy rain complete with lightning, thunder, and quite a cool wind as we dined and discussed the days possibilities. Neal and Jeanette convinced me to stay and we packed up and went back to the corner store. A much smaller group gathered as the rain, though a bit lighter, continued. There was even one glimpse of a sun ray that quickly hid in the dark clouds. Rodney, the dig leader, soon arrived and cautioned those without 4WD to park before the road in got "bad". He led us on a short dirve down a slick Georgia red clay trail to a very muddy recently cleared parking area. A short walk from there revealed the crystal pit. There was a layer of very small and very fractured crystals visible in the shallow wall of the pit and most of us began to dig into it. There were obvious holes in the wall where previous crystal seekers had dug the day before. Some crystals had been exposed by the rain on Saturday's tailings. Rodney used his backhoe and dug a fresh area about 15 feet (3m) long along where he thought the quartz crystal vein was running. There was a hole about 3 feet (1m) diameter at the lower end of the fresh dig that was started the previous day. We found plentiful quartz points of various small sizes and the digging was serious as the weather cleared and layers of outerwear were shed and layers of dirt were spread. Soon a fist sized point was pulled from its bed of red clay and held in the air to cheers and oohs and ahhs. That was followed in rapid succession by several buckets being filled to their 5 gallon capacity with the big clear crystals, all from the same now 6 foot (2m) diameter hole. We found twins, double terminated, and even a few small clusters. But all the huge stuff went to the same couple of experienced diggers.... Maybe we'll hit the Mother Load next trip. And we have lots to clean and sort and polish and cab and share with our junior members. Where else can you go play in the mud at our age? And we had a safe trip and landed at home before bedtime. Glenn Wimpee _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From OLLEN.BURNETTE at us.army.mil Tue Feb 27 12:19:48 2007 From: OLLEN.BURNETTE at us.army.mil (Burnette III, Ollen L DAC CCMD (PKI)) Date: Tue Feb 27 12:19:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Deming NM Show/Collecting (UNCLASSIFIED) Message-ID: <2B1F7B25B783FF4FAEF23F1C82D8DC7E050606B9@HOODB1DOIMSR021.nasw.ds.army.mil> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE I'll be traveling from Central Texas to Deming, NM next week to attend the Rock & Gem show in Deming 08-11 March. They have a great show, and sponsor daily collecting trips around the Deming area, so I'm looking forward to it! Can anyone recommend additional collecting location(s) in West Texas or South NM I can take advantage of going or coming? I am aware of Woodward Ranch, Needle Peak, (and others) in/around Alpine, TX. Reply on list or privately to burnette@ispwest.com - Thanks! Chip Burnette Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE From jr50wv at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 12:50:14 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Tue Feb 27 12:50:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Cat happened to it Message-ID: <724132.15229.qm@web56314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi: The other night, Martha told me, she heard a commotion in the living room. The next day, she found smithsonite specimens on the floor, a big one on matrix, and a little one that cleaved off the big one. Now, this was pretty colorless stuff from Tsumeb, and the loose piece is probably 1.5 x 1 x 1.25 cm. There's also some bruising on the big piece that's still on matrix. Here's the question: should I glue the little piece(s) back on to the speciman, or regard it all as future cutting rough? How does smithsonite cut? This crystal seems pretty glittery, like it would have good refraction in a nicely cut stone. What do you all think? This is only the first nice one to fall victim to the cats, even though my case is open front, and this specimen was on top of the case anyway. We have two older male cats who were very happy to be in a rut, but we got 3 new kittens just a few weeks ago, so there's more cat action late at night now. The only other real damage to a specimen in hand was when I was washing a fluorite, and the water got warm fast, and that caused the primary corner to cleave off with a little pop. Lesson learned, use room temperature water to rinse crystals! Thanks, KoR! JR --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From armandoafonso at oniduo.pt Tue Feb 27 14:25:41 2007 From: armandoafonso at oniduo.pt (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue Feb 27 14:25:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] oehrli-quartz - balmohnz quarry References: Message-ID: <003101c75abe$37d48870$0301a8c0@TOSHIBA> Hi all. Can someone give me some information about the quartz crystals with fluid inclusions from this site in switzerland? AA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal > Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on > colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. > > > My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog > down > in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is this > possible? > Kevin >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Feb 27 16:16:18 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Feb 27 16:13:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Cat happened to it References: <724132.15229.qm@web56314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E4C909.44F7@Tomaszewski.net> Put the specimen back together with some mineral putty (it is easier to undo than glue) and decide if it is acceptable. If not, take it apart and decide if any of the pieces would make an acceptable specimen. This may include a decision to trim the bigger piece(s). If you still have pieces left, decide if any of them should go to a deserving pebble pup. Then cut what's left. Kreigh J. R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi: > > The other night, Martha told me, she heard a commotion in the living room. The next day, she found smithsonite specimens on the floor, a big one on matrix, and a little one that cleaved off the big one. > > Now, this was pretty colorless stuff from Tsumeb, and the loose piece is probably 1.5 x 1 x 1.25 cm. There's also some bruising on the big piece that's still on matrix. > > Here's the question: should I glue the little piece(s) back on to the speciman, or regard it all as future cutting rough? > > How does smithsonite cut? This crystal seems pretty glittery, like it would have good refraction in a nicely cut stone. > > What do you all think? From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 27 17:41:37 2007 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Tue Feb 27 17:43:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070228014138.IGTF407.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Dear List Members: I'm trying to get in toouch with Kenny Gay, but it seem that his e-mail has been changed, or is unavailable. Kenny, are you there? Ed Wagner From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Feb 27 18:45:26 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Feb 27 18:45:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kenny Gay (was) (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20070228014138.IGTF407.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsou th.net> References: <20070228014138.IGTF407.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070227164222.041f1860@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Reminder to all that a title in the Subject line really helps people quickly respond or delete a message. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team) At 03:41 PM 2/27/2007, you wrote: >Dear List Members: >I'm trying to get in toouch with Kenny Gay, but it seem that his e-mail >has been changed, or is unavailable. Kenny, are you there? Ed Wagner > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Paintricks at aol.com Tue Feb 27 21:37:15 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Feb 27 21:37:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Coordinates Swap? Message-ID: Hello members, Being in Central Colorado I have numerous places to prospect and hunt for interesting geology, and was wondering if anyone would like to share coordinates to places that would otherwise be hard to find. Tricky mountain roads and land access limits. I hike for most of my rocks. Which I love to do for new finds. Unconventional routes if possible. Road side pickin' is especially good with coords. Anyone have any to offer? Thanks, Kevin


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Feb 28 14:43:21 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Wed Feb 28 14:38:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sphalerite and triboluminescence References: <200702280203.l1S22dgF002987@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <01f801c75b89$d9b54050$6b01a8c0@rock3> Some years ago I was cleaning some black non descript sphalerite off of some pyrite crystals using an air abrasive tool. That is I was directing a pressurized jet of air, thorough a pencil like wand against some of the black sphalerite that was thinly covering the pyrite. The air had entrained in it some glass beads. Suddenly the light in the cabinet burned out and the interior of the cabinet became quite dark. The abrasive tool still worked just fine and much to my amazement, where the air jet impacted the sphalerite, there was a little dot of yellow light that would dance around on the surface of the sphalerite as I moved the air jet around on it. The dot of light would persist till the glass beads in the air jet had completely worn away the sphalerite and the "clean" pyrite was exposed. I wondered what a canyon or gully full of dust rich in sphalerite might look like if there were low light conditions. Rock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 18:03 Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 33, Issue 23 > Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." > > > [Rockhounds-Digest] > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple Creek? (Sal) > 2. Re: Locations and rock types to look for in CrippleCreek? > (Paintricks@aol.com) > 3. Re: RE: Locations and rock types to look for in Cripple > Creek? (Paintricks@aol.com) > 4. Re: Ancient use of solar power (Paintricks@aol.com) > 5. Re: Ancient use of solar power (Kreigh Tomaszewski) > 6. Re: Ancient use of solar power (J Bryan Kramer) > 7. Re: Locations and rock types to look for in CrippleCreek? > (Catherine Gaber) > 8. Trip Report 2/24-25/2007 Hogg Mine and Crystal Dig (Glenn Wimpee) > 9. Deming NM Show/Collecting (UNCLASSIFIED) > (Burnette III, Ollen L DAC CCMD (PKI)) > 10. A Cat happened to it (J. R. Hodel) > 11. oehrli-quartz - balmohnz quarry (Armando Afonso) > 12. Re: A Cat happened to it (Kreigh Tomaszewski) > 13. (no subject) (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:28:18 -0800 > From: Sal > Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Locations and rock types to look for in > Cripple Creek? > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: <45E3A552.7050502@rockhoundstation1.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ah - you hit my soft spot, Kevin - > My first find was from the Cripple Creek locality and I've been a > foaming at the > mouth rockhound ever since. It was a beatiful cluster of 5 nice clear > two and a half > inch long quartz crystals which I still have on display today. > > I found them on the Main road that runs the back side of Pikes Peak into > Cripple Creek > from the north (sorry - don't remember the name of the highway, but that > should tell you > what you need to know to get there. I'd say I was at least half the > elevation to the town > where I pulled off - north of the tunnel. Just hike up the mountain > anywhere around there > and keep your eye open for loose crystal clusters. We found some > terrific smokey > crystals that day too - a bit smaller, but good ones. Follow the loose > crystals up and you might > find the source. > > Good luck. Gee, I miss Colorado. > > Sal > > -- > Sally Taylor > webmaster@rockhoundstation1.com > http://www.rockhoundstation1.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:48:11 EST > From: Paintricks@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in > CrippleCreek? > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:35:57 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > bobl@peaktopeak.com writes: > > Yeah, a topo map with all the details on it would be awesome! :-) > > Maybe the library in Cripple Creek would have lots of good historical info > for you. I'm assuming there is a library there. I'm sure someone has > written a book about Cripple Creek. It's a famous gold mining town. Do > they have a museum there? > > Regards, > > Bob > > > > > Yes there are museums there but I haven't checked into it yet. I'm gonna > tour it this next week. >


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AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:51:05 -0500 > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <45E3B892.212@Tomaszewski.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > There are a number of minerals that are reported as being > phosphorescent; Snow, Calcite, Willemite, Chert, and some Phosphates > come to mind. > > Silt from any phosphorescent mineral in a flowing stream should make a > remarkable effect. > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > > A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal > > Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on > > colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. > > > > My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog down > > in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is this possible? > > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:26:20 -0500 > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Or maybe bioluminescence in that case. > > BK > > > On 2/26/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > There are a number of minerals that are reported as being > > phosphorescent; Snow, Calcite, Willemite, Chert, and some Phosphates > > come to mind. > > > > Silt from any phosphorescent mineral in a flowing stream should make a > > remarkable effect. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > > > > A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal > > > Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on > > > colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. > > > > > > My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog > > down > > > in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is > > this possible? > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:29:44 -0500 > From: Catherine Gaber > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Locations and rock types to look for in > CrippleCreek? > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <0bbfbab3fd7c534752fabc08b61fb7e8@his.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > enter "molly kathleen" into your favorite search engine. you can tour > the gold mine in cripple creek. > > cathy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:09:08 -0600 > From: Glenn Wimpee > Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report 2/24-25/2007 Hogg Mine and Crystal > Dig > To: "rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com" , > "jlkelly1066@iglide.net" , > , , > , , > , , > , , > , > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jeanette and I left Mobile very early Saturday morning and picked up Neal Hazen on the way to the Hogg Mine near LaGrange, Georgia. Weather could not have been better and in 5 and a half hours we made the meeting spot just a few minutes ahead of schedule. > > The parking lot at the corner store was packed with obvious rockhounds in great variety. Experienced looking prospectors to cute small kids and about all you can imagine in between. We signed in, paid the nominal fee, and proceeded the short drive to the Hogg Mine. It is an open pit with huge quartz deposits that have been worked for many years and continue to yield lots of chunks. > > Finding the desirable rose quartz we wanted was very easy. We found Don and Connie King, also members of the Mobile club as we were looking for our honey hole. Connie was resting her feet on a huge chunk of pink stuff and told us that was their rock and we all laughed. But when we came back out they were gone and so was most of that rock. Getting it separated from the huge blocks is real hard work. And it takes a good degree of skill and care to remove pieces large enough to use for polishing, cabbing, or faceting without shattering the pretty stuff with what looked like a real good place to start my chisel. We had fairly heavy bags to carry out later in the day. > > There was a Bar-B-Q grill that was mouth watering with hardy sweet smelling smoke and southern hog cooked to tender perfection and delightful. As a matter of fact it was so delightful it was gone before I broke for lunch and trekked out to the stand. Fortunately I had packed some old granola bars and other snacks and I still wish I had gone to the smoker sooner. Way more hungry people than they expected. > > The beryl was there but I did not see it in large quantity. The best I saw was in a bucket already coming out as we walked in. I did find a chunk of crystal shaped stuff about 2 inches across by 1 and a half inches high (5cm X 3cm) lying on top of the ground near a tailing pile. > > Another trail led to a site with pencil black tourmaline in matrix. I saw some on a tailgate but we didn't go to that spot ourselves. > > Neal and I also explored the crushed rock road and picked up several pink quartz nuggets with possible potential. > > I think I heard around 200 hounds paid to dig that day. Several local folks said they had never seen such a good turnout. We talked with hounds from Virginia, Florida, Atlanta, and saw car tags from lots of other areas. > > Sunday's weather was not promising as we headed to the continental breakfast at our motel. Heavy rain complete with lightning, thunder, and quite a cool wind as we dined and discussed the days possibilities. Neal and Jeanette convinced me to stay and we packed up and went back to the corner store. A much smaller group gathered as the rain, though a bit lighter, continued. There was even one glimpse of a sun ray that quickly hid in the dark clouds. > > Rodney, the dig leader, soon arrived and cautioned those without 4WD to park before the road in got "bad". He led us on a short dirve down a slick Georgia red clay trail to a very muddy recently cleared parking area. A short walk from there revealed the crystal pit. There was a layer of very small and very fractured crystals visible in the shallow wall of the pit and most of us began to dig into it. There were obvious holes in the wall where previous crystal seekers had dug the day before. Some crystals had been exposed by the rain on Saturday's tailings. > > Rodney used his backhoe and dug a fresh area about 15 feet (3m) long along where he thought the quartz crystal vein was running. There was a hole about 3 feet (1m) diameter at the lower end of the fresh dig that was started the previous day. We found plentiful quartz points of various small sizes and the digging was serious as the weather cleared and layers of outerwear were shed and layers of dirt were spread. > > Soon a fist sized point was pulled from its bed of red clay and held in the air to cheers and oohs and ahhs. That was followed in rapid succession by several buckets being filled to their 5 gallon capacity with the big clear crystals, all from the same now 6 foot (2m) diameter hole. > > We found twins, double terminated, and even a few small clusters. But all the huge stuff went to the same couple of experienced diggers.... > > Maybe we'll hit the Mother Load next trip. > > And we have lots to clean and sort and polish and cab and share with our junior members. > > Where else can you go play in the mud at our age? > > And we had a safe trip and landed at home before bedtime. > Glenn Wimpee > _________________________________________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:19:48 -0600 > From: "Burnette III, Ollen L DAC CCMD (PKI)" > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Deming NM Show/Collecting (UNCLASSIFIED) > To: "'rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com'" > Message-ID: > <2B1F7B25B783FF4FAEF23F1C82D8DC7E050606B9@HOODB1DOIMSR021.nasw.ds.army.mil> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE > > I'll be traveling from Central Texas to Deming, NM next week to attend the > Rock & Gem show in Deming 08-11 March. They have a great show, and sponsor > daily collecting trips around the Deming area, so I'm looking forward to it! > > Can anyone recommend additional collecting location(s) in West Texas or > South NM I can take advantage of going or coming? I am aware of Woodward > Ranch, Needle Peak, (and others) in/around Alpine, TX. > > Reply on list or privately to burnette@ispwest.com - Thanks! > > Chip Burnette > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > Caveats: NONE > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:50:14 -0800 (PST) > From: "J. R. Hodel" > Subject: [Rockhounds] A Cat happened to it > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: <724132.15229.qm@web56314.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi: > > The other night, Martha told me, she heard a commotion in the living room. The next day, she found smithsonite specimens on the floor, a big one on matrix, and a little one that cleaved off the big one. > > Now, this was pretty colorless stuff from Tsumeb, and the loose piece is probably 1.5 x 1 x 1.25 cm. There's also some bruising on the big piece that's still on matrix. > > Here's the question: should I glue the little piece(s) back on to the speciman, or regard it all as future cutting rough? > > How does smithsonite cut? This crystal seems pretty glittery, like it would have good refraction in a nicely cut stone. > > What do you all think? > > This is only the first nice one to fall victim to the cats, even though my case is open front, and this specimen was on top of the case anyway. We have two older male cats who were very happy to be in a rut, but we got 3 new kittens just a few weeks ago, so there's more cat action late at night now. > > The only other real damage to a specimen in hand was when I was washing a fluorite, and the water got warm fast, and that caused the primary corner to cleave off with a little pop. Lesson learned, use room temperature water to rinse crystals! > > Thanks, > KoR! > > JR > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:25:41 -0000 > From: "Armando Afonso" > Subject: [Rockhounds] oehrli-quartz - balmohnz quarry > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <003101c75abe$37d48870$0301a8c0@TOSHIBA> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi all. > Can someone give me some information about the quartz crystals with fluid > inclusions from this site in switzerland? > AA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ancient use of solar power > > > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 6:21:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: > > > > A common pigment in glowing paints is 'Alkaline Rare Earth Metal > > Silicate-Zinc Sulfide Eropium Doped', which gives some flexibility on > > colors depending on rare earth(s) used.. > > > > > > My grandfather spoke of creek beds that have a phosphorous haze or fog > > down > > in them at certain times of year. Resembled glowing smoke. Is this > > possible? > > Kevin > >


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Find out more about what's free from AOL at > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:16:18 -0500 > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A Cat happened to it > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <45E4C909.44F7@Tomaszewski.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Put the specimen back together with some mineral putty (it is easier to > undo than glue) and decide if it is acceptable. > > If not, take it apart and decide if any of the pieces would make an > acceptable specimen. This may include a decision to trim the bigger > piece(s). > > If you still have pieces left, decide if any of them should go to a > deserving pebble pup. > > Then cut what's left. > > Kreigh > > > J. R. Hodel wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > The other night, Martha told me, she heard a commotion in the living room. The next day, she found smithsonite specimens on the floor, a big one on matrix, and a little one that cleaved off the big one. > > > > Now, this was pretty colorless stuff from Tsumeb, and the loose piece is probably 1.5 x 1 x 1.25 cm. There's also some bruising on the big piece that's still on matrix. > > > > Here's the question: should I glue the little piece(s) back on to the speciman, or regard it all as future cutting rough? > > > > How does smithsonite cut? This crystal seems pretty glittery, like it would have good refraction in a nicely cut stone. > > > > What do you all think? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:41:37 -0500 > From: > Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) > To: > Message-ID: > <20070228014138.IGTF407.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear List Members: > I'm trying to get in toouch with Kenny Gay, but it seem that his e-mail has been changed, or is unavailable. Kenny, are you there? Ed Wagner > > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 33, Issue 23 > ****************************************** > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Feb 28 15:32:03 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Feb 28 15:32:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sphalerite and triboluminescence In-Reply-To: <01f801c75b89$d9b54050$6b01a8c0@rock3> References: <200702280203.l1S22dgF002987@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <01f801c75b89$d9b54050$6b01a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <000301c75b90$a699e430$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > I wondered what a canyon or gully full of dust rich in > sphalerite might look like if there were low light conditions. You'd still need to scratch to see the triboluminescence ;-))) I wonder what a canyon-wide scratcher would look like... Axel From teyancey at suddenlink.net Wed Feb 28 17:06:48 2007 From: teyancey at suddenlink.net (Thomas Yancey) Date: Wed Feb 28 17:05:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] D. Shannon Minerals catalog In-Reply-To: <45E3B892.212@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45E3B892.212@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Mineral collectors, Today I was surprised and pleased to receive a new listing of minerals for sale by David Shannon Minerals. Apparently the business is resuming sales and will continue on. The list has been delayed by over a year and the future of the business was unclear. I am very pleased to see that they are still selling the plastic 'Perky' mineral boxes, both thumbnail and miniature size, but especiallythe miniature size. David Shannnon Minerals produced the best design for miniature boxes and has been my sole source for these. I hope they remain available for many years to come. Unfortunately, they STILL do not have a web site or email for the business. Contact has to be by phone or mail. Tom Yancey -- Thomas Yancey From volgems at icx.net Wed Feb 28 17:37:17 2007 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Wed Feb 28 17:37:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] D. Shannon Minerals catalog Message-ID: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Tom, Could you post the phone number and address? Thanks! John -----Original Message----- >From: Thomas Yancey >Sent: Feb 28, 2007 8:06 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] D. Shannon Minerals catalog > >Mineral collectors, > >Today I was surprised and pleased to receive a new listing of >minerals for sale by David Shannon Minerals. Apparently the business >is resuming sales and will continue on. The list has been delayed by >over a year and the future of the business was unclear. > >I am very pleased to see that they are still selling the plastic >'Perky' mineral boxes, both thumbnail and miniature size, but >especiallythe miniature size. David Shannnon Minerals produced the >best design for miniature boxes and has been my sole source for >these. I hope they remain available for many years to come. > >Unfortunately, they STILL do not have a web site or email for the >business. Contact has to be by phone or mail. > >Tom Yancey > >-- >Thomas Yancey >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From teyancey at suddenlink.net Wed Feb 28 18:19:30 2007 From: teyancey at suddenlink.net (Thomas Yancey) Date: Wed Feb 28 18:18:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] D. Shannon Minerals catalog In-Reply-To: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Okay. Tel.# 480-985-0557 (phone/fax) and mail: 6649 East Rustic Drive, Mesa, Arizona 85215 However, the catalog list that David Shannon sent out regularly is now an irregular issue and costs $2.50 each. (The mailing cost on my copy was $1.14.) It is produced in the same style that David Shannon created, but the issue I just received does not have a chatty note in it, which was a feature of all previous issues I received. It also appears that the family split between Colleen Shannon (widow) and Michael Shannon (son) continues. This saddens me, because Michael is a good collector, like his father. Tom Yancey >Tom, > >Could you post the phone number and address? > >Thanks! > >John > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Thomas Yancey >>Sent: Feb 28, 2007 8:06 PM >>To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >>Subject: [Rockhounds] D. Shannon Minerals catalog >> >>Mineral collectors, >> >>Today I was surprised and pleased to receive a new listing of >>minerals for sale by David Shannon Minerals. Apparently the business >>is resuming sales and will continue on. The list has been delayed by >>over a year and the future of the business was unclear. >> >>I am very pleased to see that they are still selling the plastic >>'Perky' mineral boxes, both thumbnail and miniature size, but >>especially the miniature size. David Shannnon Minerals produced the >>best design for miniature boxes and has been my sole source for >>these. I hope they remain available for many years to come. >> >>Unfortunately, they STILL do not have a web site or email for the >>business. Contact has to be by phone or mail. >> > >Tom Yancey -- Thomas Yancey From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 28 18:36:52 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 28 18:38:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Hi Folks, Now that we've nearly run out of February - known around here as, "The Month of Mondays," perhaps a little humor might be appropriate. I considered this on-topic because it has scientists digging for stuff. Enjoy or Delete - John After having dug to a depth of 1000 meters last year, Scottish scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years and came to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 1000 years ago. Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, English scientists dug to a depth of 2000 meters and shortly after headlines in the UK newspapers read: "English archaeologists have found traces of 2000 year old fibre-optic cable and have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech digital communications network a thousand years earlier than the Scots." One week later, Irish newspapers reported the following: "After digging as deep as 5000 meters in a County Mayo bog, Irish scientists have found absolutely nothing. They, therefore, have concluded that 5000 years ago, Ireland's inhabitants were already using wireless technology." From kcbaran at arczip.com Wed Feb 28 18:59:39 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed Feb 28 18:59:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor In-Reply-To: <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook> References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <45E6419B.10701@arczip.com> What did the Poles find when they dug even deeper? Just wondering. Chuck Baran John Siebel wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Now that we've nearly run out of February - known around here as, "The > Month of Mondays," perhaps a little humor might be appropriate. I > considered this on-topic because it has scientists digging for stuff. > > Enjoy or Delete - John > > > After having dug to a depth of 1000 meters last year, Scottish > scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years and came > to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network > more than 1000 years ago. > > Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, English > scientists dug to a depth of 2000 meters and shortly after headlines > in the UK newspapers read: "English archaeologists have found traces > of 2000 year old fibre-optic cable and have concluded that their > ancestors already had an advanced high-tech digital communications > network a thousand years earlier than the Scots." > > One week later, Irish newspapers reported the following: "After > digging as deep as 5000 meters in a County Mayo bog, Irish scientists > have found absolutely nothing. They, therefore, have concluded that > 5000 years ago, Ireland's inhabitants were already using wireless > technology." > > > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 28 19:05:39 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 28 19:07:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook> <45E6419B.10701@arczip.com> Message-ID: <005801c75bae$896a9850$0300a8c0@Notebook> That they invented the abacus? John (Who's has the greatest respect for Poles everywhere) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Baran" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor > What did the Poles find when they dug even deeper? Just wondering. > > Chuck Baran > > John Siebel wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Now that we've nearly run out of February - known around here as, "The >> Month of Mondays," perhaps a little humor might be appropriate. I >> considered this on-topic because it has scientists digging for stuff. >> >> Enjoy or Delete - John >> >> >> After having dug to a depth of 1000 meters last year, Scottish scientists >> found traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years and came to the >> conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than >> 1000 years ago. >> >> Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, English >> scientists dug to a depth of 2000 meters and shortly after headlines in >> the UK newspapers read: "English archaeologists have found traces of 2000 >> year old fibre-optic cable and have concluded that their ancestors >> already had an advanced high-tech digital communications network a >> thousand years earlier than the Scots." >> >> One week later, Irish newspapers reported the following: "After digging >> as deep as 5000 meters in a County Mayo bog, Irish scientists have found >> absolutely nothing. They, therefore, have concluded that 5000 years ago, >> Ireland's inhabitants were already using wireless technology." >> >> >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Feb 28 20:40:50 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Feb 28 20:33:46 2007 Subject: OT: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook> <45E6419B.10701@arczip.com> Message-ID: <45E6579E.4524@Tomaszewski.net> The Poles didn't dig deeper, they went up to space with a mission to the Sun -- they launched at night so they would not get burned up. Kreigh [Tomaszewski] Charles Baran wrote: > > What did the Poles find when they dug even deeper? Just wondering. > > Chuck Baran > > John Siebel wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Now that we've nearly run out of February - known around here as, "The > > Month of Mondays," perhaps a little humor might be appropriate. I > > considered this on-topic because it has scientists digging for stuff. > > > > Enjoy or Delete - John > > > > > > After having dug to a depth of 1000 meters last year, Scottish > > scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years and came > > to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network > > more than 1000 years ago. > > > > Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, English > > scientists dug to a depth of 2000 meters and shortly after headlines > > in the UK newspapers read: "English archaeologists have found traces > > of 2000 year old fibre-optic cable and have concluded that their > > ancestors already had an advanced high-tech digital communications > > network a thousand years earlier than the Scots." > > > > One week later, Irish newspapers reported the following: "After > > digging as deep as 5000 meters in a County Mayo bog, Irish scientists > > have found absolutely nothing. They, therefore, have concluded that > > 5000 years ago, Ireland's inhabitants were already using wireless > > technology." From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Feb 28 20:49:26 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Feb 28 20:51:01 2007 Subject: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook><45E6419B.10701@arczip.com> <45E6579E.4524@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007001c75bbd$0984e780$0300a8c0@Notebook> Aww Kreigh?! I'd hoped someone had put that one to a merciful death years ago. But, out of curiosity (why else does one ask a question?), where *would* you end up if dug straight through the Earth from Poland? I wish I still had my grandfathers globe. John > Kreigh > The Poles didn't dig deeper, they went up to space with a mission to the > Sun -- they launched at night so they would not get burned up. From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Feb 28 20:56:18 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 28 20:56:23 2007 Subject: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} Message-ID: I think it all depends on whether you're talking about South Poles or North Poles. I guess they have different orientations, or something.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Wed Feb 28 20:48:26 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Feb 28 20:56:29 2007 Subject: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook><45E6419B.10701@arczip.com> <45E6579E.4524@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000001c75bbd$f6278480$0f53d0c4@private7mvzgzc> The Poles found the South Pole. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:40 AM Subject: OT: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} > The Poles didn't dig deeper, they went up to space with a mission to the > Sun -- they launched at night so they would not get burned up. > > Kreigh [Tomaszewski] > > > > > > > Charles Baran wrote: >> >> What did the Poles find when they dug even deeper? Just wondering. >> >> Chuck Baran >> >> John Siebel wrote: >> >> > Hi Folks, >> > >> > Now that we've nearly run out of February - known around here as, "The >> > Month of Mondays," perhaps a little humor might be appropriate. I >> > considered this on-topic because it has scientists digging for stuff. >> > >> > Enjoy or Delete - John >> > >> > >> > After having dug to a depth of 1000 meters last year, Scottish >> > scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 1000 years and came >> > to the conclusion that their ancestors already had a telephone network >> > more than 1000 years ago. >> > >> > Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the weeks that followed, English >> > scientists dug to a depth of 2000 meters and shortly after headlines >> > in the UK newspapers read: "English archaeologists have found traces >> > of 2000 year old fibre-optic cable and have concluded that their >> > ancestors already had an advanced high-tech digital communications >> > network a thousand years earlier than the Scots." >> > >> > One week later, Irish newspapers reported the following: "After >> > digging as deep as 5000 meters in a County Mayo bog, Irish scientists >> > have found absolutely nothing. They, therefore, have concluded that >> > 5000 years ago, Ireland's inhabitants were already using wireless >> > technology." > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kcbaran at arczip.com Wed Feb 28 23:28:46 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed Feb 28 23:28:09 2007 Subject: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E680AE.6010002@arczip.com> I'm glad to finally find out. Thanks. Chuck Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >I think it all depends on whether you're talking about South Poles or North >Poles. > >I guess they have different orientations, or something. >


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AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From dguin at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 23:29:06 2007 From: dguin at earthlink.net (David Guin) Date: Wed Feb 28 23:29:22 2007 Subject: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Sorta OT Humor} In-Reply-To: <007001c75bbd$0984e780$0300a8c0@Notebook> References: <22760129.1172713037792.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004d01c75baa$8ac4a6e0$0300a8c0@Notebook><45E6419B.10701@arczip.com> <45E6579E.4524@Tomaszewski.net> <007001c75bbd$0984e780$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <45E680C2.1030605@earthlink.net> John Siebel wrote: > Aww Kreigh?! I'd hoped someone had put that one to a merciful death > years ago. > > But, out of curiosity (why else does one ask a question?), where > *would* you end up if dug straight through the Earth from Poland? I > wish I still had my grandfathers globe. Where would you end up if you dug a hole straight through the earth? http://www.digholes.com/ Peace, dave