From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 1 02:29:14 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 1 02:29:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? Message-ID: Don, I do rather doubt that there is any such thing as a "list or rare or rarest minerals"; or if so, I've never heard of it, and don't recall seeing such a thing on the Rockhounds listserv. As you say, this would be very subjective, and there are too many different criteria that one might apply to decide which of the 4000+ mineral species anyone considered "rarest". I would think that those "rarest" would be the ones, that not only are available only as "tiny specks of material", but for which even "tiny specks" would be almost unobtainable; the sort of minerals which had only been described from one or two known type specimens, all of which are in museum collections, and for which no other specimens are known to exist. But I don't know that anyone has ever compiled a list of what such mineral species would be. But, your contact is probably looking for not quite that degree of rareness and unobtainability. One could devise a hierarchy of "rareness", ranging from common material, to "there's only one specimen and it's locked up in the Smithsonian and they're never going to part with any of it", and all grades in between. I don't know that anyone has ever tried to systematically do this, or rank minerals on such a scale. Pete ============= Hi all, Thanks for the responses--but I was specifically looking for that list because the owner wanted to know if any of his minerals were on that list. [Don] --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Mon Jan 1 06:16:01 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Mon Jan 1 06:14:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics Message-ID: <459917A1.6030001@tenforward.com> 1/1/2007 Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics By John Cornish j&gcornish@tenforward.com Hi Everyone, For over fourteen years now I've written a Field Collecting Journal which documents all of my mineral and fossil collecting trips during this period. Currently these adventures span five separate volumes with well over 1000 pages of text, drawings, maps, etc. I've compiled my statistics for this last years collecting, 2006, and have included them following if you've an interest. For me, my journals are constant sources for reference and smiles and for this reason more then any other, I hope you'll consider starting a Field Collecting Journal of your own. As the days pass and our grasp of information becomes more encumbered, we risk losing the details of some of our most extraordinary collecting moments. For me, this was unacceptable. With this decision made, next followed several rounds of internal debate as to how to proceed, after all, I'd been collecting for some time now and what of those trips made prior to my beginning journaling? And so I pondered and all the while other collecting trips memories were lost. In frustration I decided I had to act. No more being wishy-washy, half here and half there, if I was going to start it was time to start. So that's exactly what I did, I started. I went out and purchased a nice looking, inexpensive Shaws Account Book from our local Stationary store which has 300 lined pages and is hard bound. To clarify my thoughts, my first entry introduced myself and explained my reasons for starting the Journal (some of which I've mentioned above). Following this I summed up some of the highlights from past collecting trips and then I was ready for new adventures and new entries. So, armed with all the excuse I needed, I headed out to collect! As I sit here in momentary reflection, a half smile flickering across my lips, that's exactly what I did too, I hit the hills and with a vengeance! As an example, as documented in 1996, that year I hit 113 localities! Just try remembering all of your trips from 1996 and you'll see the obvious benefit of starting your own Collecting Journal! But, for those of you who need additional reasons, I've come prepared with more positive arguments and the best of these is simply curation. We should all strive to curate our collections to some extent or another if we hope to have our collections attain any lasting relevancy. The documentation and histories of our specimens is of utmost import and we should strive for perfection and grace in this regard. Of course if your like me, perfection and grace are often replaced by incompetence and bumbling, still, I aspire! These are just some thoughts, which ever way you go and wherever your path may take you, I wish you fare adventuring each and all! Happy New Year, John 2006 Collecting Statistics 33 Entry's total recorded 34 Different places ---- 19 Minerals, 7 Fossils, 8 Events Most Frequented Locality ----- 16 trips (a fossil locality) 9 New localities---- 7 Mineral, 2 Fossil Shows I participated in (recorded) --- 5 Territory Covered ---- Washington, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Colorado, California, Oregon, Wyoming, Montana, Utah Longest Trip ---- 47 days Journal pages recorded --- 150 Crystal and Fossils papers wrote --- 10 In review of this last year, I find that I'm fairly satisfied. I took on some big projects and responsibilities and managed them successfully. I'm very much looking forward to this New Year, 2007, and to Tucson upcoming. We're going to have some fun now! Have a great year everyone, all the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jan 1 08:34:48 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jan 1 08:36:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics References: <459917A1.6030001@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <003201c72dc2$c65da640$0300a8c0@Notebook> John, As always, you are an inspiration. Happy New Year to you, Gloria and all List members! John Siebel Santa, ID From: "John and Gloria Cornish" > 1/1/2007 > > Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Jan 1 08:52:57 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Jan 1 08:52:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? In-Reply-To: <45973E54.775B@Tomaszewski.net> References: <4596EFD6.6040801@verizon.net> <45973E54.775B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <45993C69.5050707@ptd.net> >How much I will pay for a 'rare' mineral is based on my budget, and >market research on what is available. > >DonH wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >>At some point, I've seen a list of the rarest minerals posted on the >>Internet, and perhaps even on this list a long time ago. Does anyone >>have a current list, or know where a current list is posted? >> >>A friend of mine has acquired a parcel of type locality thumbnails and >>wants to sell them, reasonably, but doesn't want to be foolish either >>and sell a ~$200 specimen for $40. >> I realize this does not address the issue of finding or posting such a list. There was a publication put out several years ago that referanced some prices of minerals but the material is probably now quite dated. The issue that I want to present is that rarity is only one quality that sets the value of anything. There are some items that may be placed in the realm of only 1 of 6 known in the world, but are so ugly or so hard to identify that who would care, and consequently the price is greatly impacted. Just a little personal input on the idea..... Dennis Buffenmyer From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Jan 1 08:56:39 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Jan 1 08:56:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds List Duration In-Reply-To: <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> References: <200612310200.kBV20k7J009353@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <45993D47.9050908@ptd.net> Mike Flannigan wrote: >OK, I suspect a few of you can beat this, but not many. >I just discovered I have been a member of the Rockhounds >list for 10 years as of yesterday. Pretty impressive. > >That is the longest continuous list membership I have had, >bar none. > > >Mike Flannigan > > > > YES!! In the realm of the new years presence I would concur that the "group" is here to stay, although members may wax and wane. All hail the rockhounds!! Dennis Buffenmyer From bilmcc1948 at msn.com Mon Jan 1 10:03:27 2007 From: bilmcc1948 at msn.com (Bill McCullough) Date: Mon Jan 1 10:03:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? In-Reply-To: <45993C69.5050707@ptd.net> Message-ID: The market is not perfect and that is what makes life interesting! An auction might be the best sample, but for the seller's optimal benefit, the most interested people have to be attending to it, when they have funds available. One of my reference books classifies mineral rarity in a four-fold scale. That is too broad to be used for pricing. Why would you not see if you can ascertain market value from Web sales and auctions? The currency of pricing would be more useful than an out-of-date list. In fact, the prices realized will probably be based more on the amount of work you do to optimize the sale conditions than on any list. I am new to mineral collection, but type location does not seem to drive prices evenly. That is, it appears to be irrelevant in some cases. John Betts addresses this phenomenon in one of his Web pages, IIRC. My 2 cents, --Bill McCullough -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Buffenmyer Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:53 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? >How much I will pay for a 'rare' mineral is based on my budget, and >market research on what is available. > >DonH wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >>At some point, I've seen a list of the rarest minerals posted on the >>Internet, and perhaps even on this list a long time ago. Does anyone >>have a current list, or know where a current list is posted? >> >>A friend of mine has acquired a parcel of type locality thumbnails and >>wants to sell them, reasonably, but doesn't want to be foolish either >>and sell a ~$200 specimen for $40. >> I realize this does not address the issue of finding or posting such a list. There was a publication put out several years ago that referanced some prices of minerals but the material is probably now quite dated. The issue that I want to present is that rarity is only one quality that sets the value of anything. There are some items that may be placed in the realm of only 1 of 6 known in the world, but are so ugly or so hard to identify that who would care, and consequently the price is greatly impacted. Just a little personal input on the idea..... Dennis Buffenmyer -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 1 11:03:16 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 1 11:03:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] list of rare or rarest minerals? Message-ID: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com> I looked at John Betts' website and after a bit of searching found the essay Bill referred to ("Mineral Prices, Why So High?"; it's under "Humor"). I think I'd read this once before, but it's amusing and worth reading--a lot of truth in it. There is indeed no instant way of knowing whether a given little thumbnail of an evidently uncommon mineral (I love to scan the Glossary for unusual mineral names--anyone seen any good specimens of Xiangjiangite or Xingzhongite lately? [both are quite real]) is just a formless speck of some rarity that's worth $40 only as the retail selling price of the rare mineral species dealer from whom it was purchased, or whether it's truly a rare piece that would be sought after by other collectors, type locality or no. Browsing dealers' sale pages on the internet for each species, and the likes of Mindat, is probably about the only ready way to try to figure this out. Of course, all other things being equal (not that they ever are), any specimen of whatever species, rare or no, that has well formed, decent sized, undamaged crystals of the mineral in question, is always going to be worth much much more than a "formless black speck". Cheers, Pete In a message dated 1/1/2007 11:15:35 AM Mountain Standard Time, bi lmcc1948@msn.com writes: The market is not perfect and that is what makes life interesting! ... I am new to mineral collection, but type location does not seem to drive prices evenly. That is, it appears to be irrelevant in some cases. John Betts addresses this phenomenon in one of his Web pages, IIRC. My 2 cents, --Bill McCullough --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jan 1 12:01:52 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:03:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansaw Diamond References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> This on MSMBC today. 2.37 carats http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16429319/from/RS.1/ John From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 1 12:45:40 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:45:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com> <014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 Larry Rush 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70) 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is included in my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from oak leaves) 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always count the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's result- ungodly itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along with permanent notes in my medical records) 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute for insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 straight showers and Lysol soap) 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of fragments instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit) 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen can still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet mine (Last year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to disinfect and bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never end in family get-togethers) 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the wood's edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 towing charge, a reprint in my club's bulletin from the local newspaper's "Police Blotter", and my subsequent resignation as Field Trip Director.) 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a hiking staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken femur, ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new calcites from that site) 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions completely, my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to the Springfield Show while in her direct line of sight at all times. From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jan 1 12:56:29 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jan 1 12:57:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com><014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <016201c72de7$55fd56f0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Rough year eh Larry? Better cover your butt this year! Thanks for a good laugh at your expense. John From: "Lawrence Rush" > My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Jan 1 13:14:55 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Jan 1 13:14:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions In-Reply-To: <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com> <014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <459979CF.3040508@ptd.net> Lawrence Rush wrote: > My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 > > Larry Rush > > > > 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the > state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70) > > > 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is > included in my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from > oak leaves) > > > 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always > count the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's > result- ungodly itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along > with permanent notes in my medical records) > > > 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute > for insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 > straight showers and Lysol soap) > > > 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a > prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of > fragments instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit) > > > 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen > can still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet > mine (Last year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to > disinfect and bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never > end in family get-togethers) > > > 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the > wood's edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 > towing charge, a reprint in my club's bulletin from the local > newspaper's "Police Blotter", and my subsequent resignation as Field > Trip Director.) > > > 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a > hiking staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken > femur, ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new > calcites from that site) > > > 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions > completely, my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to > the Springfield Show while in her direct line of sight at all times. > > > > Sounds like you are just itching to go collecting again... Ask your wife how she can put a price on all that knowledge and wisdom you acquired... and tell her the investment in the man ( being you ) has a better return than on ANY investment in Springfield!!! ( can you see the curl in the corner of my mouth as I type this??) From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Jan 1 14:17:12 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Jan 1 14:17:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com><014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000901c72df2$97032610$63faf604@TheBlackAdder> Larry, Priceless! I admire your honesty and good humour as well. Erich Kern ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 Larry Rush 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70) 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is included in my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from oak leaves) 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always count the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's result- ungodly itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along with permanent notes in my medical records) 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute for insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 straight showers and Lysol soap) 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of fragments instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit) 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen can still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet mine (Last year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to disinfect and bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never end in family get-togethers) 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the wood's edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 towing charge, a reprint in my club's bulletin from the local newspaper's "Police Blotter", and my subsequent resignation as Field Trip Director.) 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a hiking staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken femur, ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new calcites from that site) 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions completely, my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to the Springfield Show while in her direct line of sight at all times. From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Jan 1 14:23:04 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Jan 1 14:23:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS Message-ID: <001201c72df3$68d94200$63faf604@TheBlackAdder> Fw from: Mountain States Legal Foundation AN EDUCATION CRISIS: TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS Next week, former Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter will become Colorado's 41st Governor. Although Ritter pledged to reform higher education, it remains to be seen if he will provide the assurance sought by a journalism student in Ritter's University of Denver debate with Congressman Bob Beauprez. Writing in National Review Online, Greg A. Pollowitz reports she asked, "What is the government going to do to make sure I can get a job?" Regrettably, the candidates gave lengthy answers instead of responding simply, "Change your major." That would have made clear that the student and not government is responsible for her employment prospects. Moreover, it would have been great advice. Today, energy and mining companies are paying top dollar for petroleum and mining engineers: graduates will receive a starting salary of $65,000 plus a sizeable signing bonus. A recent Colorado School of Mines Mining Engineering graduate received a $120,000 package from an energy company developing Canada's Athabasca oil sands. Unfortunately, there are too few such qualified graduates; as a result, not only are those jobs going begging, top executives in the oil patch and mining are calling the situation a "crisis." Accepting the "Mining Man of the Year" Award from the Mining Foundation of the Southwest in Tucson, last month, Jack E. Thompson, Jr., formerly of Newmont Mining Corporation and Homestake Mining Company, delivered his acceptance speech on the crisis. Dr. James V. Taranik, Director of the Mackay School of Earth Sciences and Engineering at the University of Nevada in Reno, has been leading the Mining Educational Sustainability Task Force for the Society of Mining Engineers to develop an action plan to address the crisis, which is due in part to the state of post-secondary education. When Jack Thompson, Jim Taranik, and other mining leaders entered college, there were over forty institutions of higher learning offering mining engineering degree programs, including Harvard, Columbia, and Yale; today there are but fifteen. There are many reasons why colleges have abandoned this field, despite the world's growing need for natural resources and environmentally-sensitive ways of providing them. Incredibly, the biggest reason is cost. Notwithstanding ever escalating tuition, many major universities abandoned practical science and engineering studies because they are not "cost effective." According to Dr. Taranik, the cost of turning out one more social scientist, or journalist for that matter, is only $1,500; it costs $45,000 to graduate a mining engineer. Coincidental with this cynical decision and consistent with it, colleges, which once sought to prepare students for the job market, now seek only to "increase knowledge." Colleges are not the only ones to blame. Top mining expert, Dr. William H. Dresher, speaking recently in Arizona, declared, "in a decade of judging Arizona state science fairs, I have never seen an exhibit addressing geology, mining, or metallurgy. What is worse, it is hard to find a school that teaches science, let alone discusses engineering!" Astonishingly, this is in Arizona, the nation's largest copper producer. Dr. Mary M. Poulton, Chair of the Department of Mining and Geological Engineering at the University of Arizona, reports only one-third of U.S. high schools have a one year course in earth science, mostly astronomy, in which only seven percent of high school students enroll. As Michael Sanera and Jane S. Shaw reveal in Facts Not Fear: Teaching Children About the Environment (Regnery 1999), schools do a marvelous job turning children into nonsense spouting Chicken Littles. Unsurprisingly, it is not just the facts about the environment that schools fail to teach; they are oblivious to fundamental facts regarding the building blocks of modern civilization, such as, "if it can't be grown, it has to be mined." No wonder, with children totally ignorant as to the need for raw materials-not to mention their source-that few youth entering high school consider a career in energy development or mining. No wonder coeds who attend gubernatorial debates worry about their job prospects. ============================================================ Mountain States Legal Foundation 2596 South Lewis Way Lakewood, Colorado 80227 From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Jan 1 14:42:37 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Jan 1 14:42:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics References: <459917A1.6030001@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <002501c72df6$235fbcb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I have kept some records of collecting trips over the past 30 years. Nothing really in-depth, but enough to trigger memories. I have been photgraphically documenting collecting trips for about as long. That is one reason why I have been able to post a large number of site pix on mindat. Still have many more to post, but other tasks have a higher priority. My current curatorial project nearing completion is photographing every horn coral in my collection. Since I have just cataloged number 768, going through flats with fossils wrapped in 1988 newspaper has been quite a project. (Mild weather and week on vacation has made this project move faster than anticipated.) I was mildly surpised how many were missing, but I have drawers with corals that are not easily reached with a winterized garage. Over-size specimens (too big for flats) are currently inaccessible, too. I will tackle my collection of colonial corals when time allows, but that one is even larger (nearly 1000 specimens)! I am copying images and data onto a CD. Eventually I will post images of those KY corals on a KGS web site (that is still being developed) -- the are about 300 species in Kentucky and Indiana's Paleozoic rocks. 2006 was a good year for collecting -- especially fossils. I hope 2007 is comparable -- for everyone else as well! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Drizzle" Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics > 1/1/2007 > > Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics > > By John Cornish > j&gcornish@tenforward.com > > > > Hi Everyone, > > For over fourteen years now I've written a Field Collecting Journal which > documents all of my mineral and fossil collecting trips during this > period. Currently these adventures span five separate volumes with well > over 1000 pages of text, drawings, maps, etc. I've compiled my statistics > for this last years collecting, 2006, and have included them following if > you've an interest. For me, my journals are constant sources for reference > and smiles and for this reason more then any other, I hope you'll consider > starting a Field Collecting Journal of your own. From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 1 15:02:09 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 1 15:02:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions Message-ID: WOW! Sounds like a painful and expensive 2006. Happy New Year and may 2007 be much less expensive and painful and lots more fun. Thanks for sharing, and I hope you don't mind if I laughed with you a bit. A couple of years ago I managed to do a real job on the plateau of my right tibia while collecting a few pretty colored insulators from an almost down telegraph pole. I now have, after several surgeries, a titanium (OT) right knee. Glenn > From: larryrush@worldnet.att.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:45:40 -0500> Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions> > My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007> > Larry Rush> > > > 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the > state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70)> > > 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is included in > my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from oak leaves)> > > 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always count > the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's result- ungodly > itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along with permanent notes in > my medical records)> > > 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute for > insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 straight > showers and Lysol soap)> > > 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a > prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of fragments > instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit)> > > 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen can > still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet mine (Last > year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to disinfect and > bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never end in family > get-togethers)> > > 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the wood's > edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 towing charge, a > reprint in my club's bulletin from the local newspaper's "Police Blotter", > and my subsequent resignation as Field Trip Director.)> > > 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a hiking > staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken femur, > ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new calcites from that > site)> > > 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions completely, > my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to the Springfield Show > while in her direct line of sight at all times.> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Jan 1 18:50:46 2007 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Mon Jan 1 18:50:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: <00518788-C1FC-41F9-AADF-66B3701DF1E6@cox.net> Larry, I may not have started the day laughing, but let me tell you, I am laughing now. thank you so very much. Has your wife seen those tethers some parents use on their children? Perhaps that is the next purchase. I saw my son's arms after removing bushes from the front of his home, unfortunately there was poison oak entwined within. I can just imagine your hind quarters. Zowie. Have a wonderful New Year, and also to all on this list. Terrie wiping away the tears. From mineral.maertens at att.net Mon Jan 1 18:59:20 2007 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Mon Jan 1 19:05:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] About the Eastern Shanghai Geological Museum, People's Republic of China In-Reply-To: <200612270205.kBR24glW001817@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: About the Eastern Shanghai Geological Museum, People's Republic of China Visit by Johan Maertens on 2006 December 9 The Eastern Shanghai Geological Museum ? also known as the Shanghai Museum of Geological Popular Science - lies in Nanhui District 2 km to the north of Pudong Airport, about one-hour drive from the People's Square. The freestanding building covers an area of more than 10000 square meters, with an exhibition area of 3600 square meters. The museum is different from and should not be confused with the Shanghai Science and Technology Museum, a $180 million project recently completed. The building is located next to the Lingkong Nongyi Grand View Garden and is part of the Sunqiao Modern Agriculture development Area occupying over 1,500 hectares. The Museum includes six halls: the Mineral & Rock Hall, the Gemstones Hall, the Earth History Hall, the Ancient Creatures Hall, the Topography Hall and the National Land Resources Hall. The Mineral & Rock Hall exhibits prevalent minerals and rocks from China. It includes " World Class" specimens like a 3.6 meter tall and 80 cm in diameter gypsum crystal (that recently broke in two), another group of one meter large gypsum crystals, a 2 meter wide rock with groups of pink calcites and another over 1 ton heavy specimen from Hunan Province with intergrown cubic fluorite crystals with deep emerald green color and resinous luster topped by flower like calcite rhombohedron crystals up to 300 millimeter large. Almost forty percent of the displayed minerals are calcites in different crystal shapes and color. Other exhibited minerals include abundant fluorite, quartz, and limited systematic grouped minerals. The hall hosts a rich trove of exhibits, including some 30,000 geology-related specimens with about five percent on display. The Gemstones Hall on the second floor, exhibits natural and artificial gemstones rough and finished, like diamond, ruby, sapphire, emerald, spinel and amethyst. Specimens are from China deposits and other geographical locations are put on show in over one hundred separated displays. The Earth History Hall, displays the plate tectonic theory evolution and many rock structures on specimens, like fold and fault structure etc. There are large esthetic boulders and polished sections selected for formation, mineralogy, color combinations, mineral patterns and erosion patterns. A huge terrestrial globe and illustrations around the walls document the origin and development of the planet, its internal structure and the characteristics of the Earth's surface. Ancient Creatures Hall exhibits fossils. Here one can see petrified wood. Two massive dinosaur skeletons form the centerpiece. One of the exhibited dinosaurs was excavated in Zigong, Sichuan Province in 1996. It is a carnivorous dinosaur that roamed the planet about 140 million years ago. The dinosaur was 10 meters long and 5.3 meters tall. The seven-meter-tall skeleton of the other dinosaur was excavated in Lufeng County, Yunnan Province in 1968. Lufeng County is called the homeland of dinosaurs in China and contains vertebrate fossils of the earliest Jurassic Origin. Lufengosaurus is one of the earliest dinosaurs discovered, dating back to the late Triassic period of the Mesozoic era. Seven articulated ichthyosaur skeletons excavated in Guizhou Province are perhaps of the greatest scientific importance among the museum collections. In the Topography Hall, visitors can familiarize with different types of landforms from a birds' eye view. National Land Resources Hall documents the story of how Shanghai Area evolved from 1800 million years ago to present, and the land subsidence development history. The exhibit is dedicated to land resources in Shanghai. It explains to visitors how the city gradually came into being since the land on its western borders formed 6,000 years ago and the current geological situation of the city. Outside the building is a display of unique natural shaped limestone rocks. The geological and mineralogical sections are useful for the casual and specialized visitors. Several textual exhibits are translated in English for international visitors. The labels next to the specimens were in Chinese with occasional addition of the English mineral name. The guidebook, included in the admission fee is exclusively in Chinese. No English-speaking guide was on duty during my visit. The displays showed specimens with good spacing and poor to good lighting. Some minerals were misidentified or English translation had spelling errors. Contact About one-hour drive from the People's Square. No.1 Huazhou Road, Airport Town, Pudong, Shanghai, China Tel: +86-21-58934084 Fax: +86-21-58934892 E-mail: 68782551@shdz.org MSN:shlingkong@hotmail.com The museum is open seven days a week. Reference = http://www.shdz.org/new/en/index.htm Johan Maertens mineral dot maertens at att dot net Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite Collectors Association Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Jan 1 19:41:21 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Jan 1 19:41:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS References: <001201c72df3$68d94200$63faf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <001f01c72e1f$de7b60c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Most of this information is not news if you are involved in science education. My alma mater got rid of the undergraduate level geology classes in the early 1990's. Through a former graduate student of the U Az (Tucson) Dept. of Mining & Geological Engineering, I found out that they were almost out of ore samples and minerals for use in the classroom. It shocked me - a mine engineering school without specimens for student investigation? So last year I sent to Dr. Mary Poulton (mentioned in the text below) seven boxes of ore samples as well as minerals for hardness testing - over 100 lbs. of stuff from collecting trips over the years. (Most of the stuff would qualify as "yard rock.") Well, they now have enough material to last more than a few years! If you have extra material lying around, I would encourage you to talk to a geology professor. It is also a tax deductable donation! Don't forget primary & secondary education if colleges aren't in your community. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS > > Fw from: > Mountain States Legal Foundation > > AN EDUCATION CRISIS: TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS > > Next week, former Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter will > become Colorado's 41st Governor. Although Ritter pledged to > reform higher education, it remains to be seen if he will > provide the assurance sought by a journalism student in > Ritter's University of Denver debate with Congressman Bob > Beauprez. Writing in National Review Online, Greg A. > Pollowitz reports she asked, "What is the government going > to do to make sure I can get a job?" Regrettably, the > candidates gave lengthy answers instead of responding > simply, "Change your major." > > That would have made clear that the student and not > government is responsible for her employment prospects. > Moreover, it would have been great advice. Today, energy > and mining companies are paying top dollar for petroleum and > mining engineers: graduates will receive a starting salary > of $65,000 plus a sizeable signing bonus. A recent Colorado > School of Mines Mining Engineering graduate received a > $120,000 package from an energy company developing Canada's > Athabasca oil sands. Unfortunately, there are too few such > qualified graduates; as a result, not only are those jobs > going begging, top executives in the oil patch and mining > are calling the situation a "crisis." > > Accepting the "Mining Man of the Year" Award from the Mining > Foundation of the Southwest in Tucson, last month, Jack E. > Thompson, Jr., formerly of Newmont Mining Corporation and > Homestake Mining Company, delivered his acceptance speech on > the crisis. Dr. James V. Taranik, Director of the Mackay > School of Earth Sciences and Engineering at the University > of Nevada in Reno, has been leading the Mining Educational > Sustainability Task Force for the Society of Mining > Engineers to develop an action plan to address the crisis, > which is due in part to the state of post-secondary > education. > > When Jack Thompson, Jim Taranik, and other mining leaders > entered college, there were over forty institutions of > higher learning offering mining engineering degree programs, > including Harvard, Columbia, and Yale; today there are but > fifteen. There are many reasons why colleges have abandoned > this field, despite the world's growing need for natural > resources and environmentally-sensitive ways of providing > them. Incredibly, the biggest reason is cost. > Notwithstanding ever escalating tuition, many major > universities abandoned practical science and engineering > studies because they are not "cost effective." According to > Dr. Taranik, the cost of turning out one more social > scientist, or journalist for that matter, is only $1,500; it > costs $45,000 to graduate a mining engineer. Coincidental > with this cynical decision and consistent with it, colleges, > which once sought to prepare students for the job market, > now seek only to "increase knowledge." > > Colleges are not the only ones to blame. Top mining expert, > Dr. William H. Dresher, speaking recently in Arizona, > declared, "in a decade of judging Arizona state science > fairs, I have never seen an exhibit addressing geology, > mining, or metallurgy. What is worse, it is hard to find a > school that teaches science, let alone discusses > engineering!" Astonishingly, this is in Arizona, the nation's > largest copper producer. Dr. Mary M. Poulton, Chair of the > Department of Mining and Geological Engineering at the > University of Arizona, reports only one-third of U.S. high > schools have a one year course in earth science, mostly > astronomy, in which only seven percent of high school > students enroll. > > As Michael Sanera and Jane S. Shaw reveal in Facts Not Fear: > Teaching Children About the Environment (Regnery 1999), > schools do a marvelous job turning children into nonsense > spouting Chicken Littles. Unsurprisingly, it is not just > the facts about the environment that schools fail to teach; > they are oblivious to fundamental facts regarding the > building blocks of modern civilization, such as, "if it can't > be grown, it has to be mined." No wonder, with children > totally ignorant as to the need for raw materials-not to > mention their source-that few youth entering high school > consider a career in energy development or mining. > > No wonder coeds who attend gubernatorial debates worry about > their job prospects. > > ============================================================ > Mountain States Legal Foundation > 2596 South Lewis Way > Lakewood, Colorado 80227 > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com Mon Jan 1 21:19:01 2007 From: minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com (minnesota_pebble_pup) Date: Mon Jan 1 21:19:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds List Duration In-Reply-To: <45974B66.590BD392@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070102051901.6872.qmail@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Mike Flannigan wrote: > > OK, I suspect a few of you can beat this, but not > many. > I just discovered I have been a member of the > Rockhounds > list for 10 years as of yesterday. I can't beat that. I don't know when I joined. I only know why; agates. GRIN! Jonna in Minnesota - still out here lurking. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gene at fossilnut.com Tue Jan 2 04:48:33 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Tue Jan 2 04:48:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS References: <001201c72df3$68d94200$63faf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <003101c72e6c$508caa10$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Not to take issue with the general gist of the article I would like to point out that engineers, geologists and just about any skilled labor (welders, pipefitters, heavy equipment operators, machinists etc.) can make huge wages and salaries working in the Athabasca sands area. Such skills are in critically short supply in that area, being driven by explosive growth in petroleum production from the region and the heightened competition for such skills elsewhere in the US. On the other hand I've been to Ft. Mc Murray which is literally in the middle of nowhere. Might be a good resume builder and savings account builder for someone just starting out. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- > > That would have made clear that the student and not > government is responsible for her employment prospects. > Moreover, it would have been great advice. Today, energy > and mining companies are paying top dollar for petroleum and > mining engineers: graduates will receive a starting salary > of $65,000 plus a sizeable signing bonus. A recent Colorado > School of Mines Mining Engineering graduate received a > $120,000 package from an energy company developing Canada's > Athabasca oil sands. Unfortunately, there are too few such > qualified graduates; as a result, not only are those jobs > going begging, top executives in the oil patch and mining > are calling the situation a "crisis." > > From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Tue Jan 2 05:05:15 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (MICHAEL SCHMIDT) Date: Tue Jan 2 05:05:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS In-Reply-To: <003101c72e6c$508caa10$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <001201c72df3$68d94200$63faf604@TheBlackAdder> <003101c72e6c$508caa10$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: Gene That boom is, to a large degree, a bubble that is going to burst...and when it does, look out. Living in Edmonton, the economy is pretty sweet here too, and it is oil driven. Sure you can make huge bucks doing pretty much anything in Fort Mac, but where does it get you? Right now, McDonald's can't keep staff paying them $20 per hour...that is roughly 3x what other McDonald's pay for the same jobs in other cities. Why? Because you can't live on $20 an hour there. Last year I was having dinner with some friends of friends. One worked as some type of blue collar labourer in Fort Mac. On top of the $70K he got paid to do a job he could barely make $35K doing anywhere else, his company also had to pay him a $70K per year allowance for living expenses!! If you happened to live there 10-15 years ago, and owned a house, and work there now, you're set. But if you move up there now, and have to pay your own expenses, by the time you pay all the additional living expenses you're no better off than you would be living somewhere else and making less money. It is, apparantly, the most expensive place in Canada to live.... Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: gene@fossilnut.com Date: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:48 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS > Not to take issue with the general gist of the article I would > like to point > out that engineers, geologists and just about any skilled labor > (welders, > pipefitters, heavy equipment operators, machinists etc.) can make > huge wages > and salaries working in the Athabasca sands area. Such skills are > in > critically short supply in that area, being driven by explosive > growth in > petroleum production from the region and the heightened > competition for such > skills elsewhere in the US. > > On the other hand I've been to Ft. Mc Murray which is literally > in the > middle of nowhere. Might be a good resume builder and savings > account > builder for someone just starting out. > > Gene Hartstein > Newark, DE > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > That would have made clear that the student and not > > government is responsible for her employment prospects. > > Moreover, it would have been great advice. Today, energy > > and mining companies are paying top dollar for petroleum and > > mining engineers: graduates will receive a starting salary > > of $65,000 plus a sizeable signing bonus. A recent Colorado > > School of Mines Mining Engineering graduate received a > > $120,000 package from an energy company developing Canada's > > Athabasca oil sands. Unfortunately, there are too few such > > qualified graduates; as a result, not only are those jobs > > going begging, top executives in the oil patch and mining > > are calling the situation a "crisis." > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gene at fossilnut.com Tue Jan 2 05:39:06 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Tue Jan 2 05:39:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS References: <001201c72df3$68d94200$63faf604@TheBlackAdder> <003101c72e6c$508caa10$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <009f01c72e73$610039f0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Michael: What you say is correct. The question is how long is the bubble good for? The economics of Athabasta production are very complex, and changing as they go from surface mining to in-situ production (e.g. SAGD - Steam Assisted Gravity Drain). The amount of investment needed to develop this area is phenomenal. Still this is at least the second largest recoverable oil resource in the world, depending on whose estimates you wish to believe. With major plant construction costs in the US at all time highs, driven by the growth in processing of oil sand extracts (US northern tier and gulf coast), the major rebuild from 2005 hurricane damage and the growth of alternate fuel sources, a lot of major projects that were "go as fast as you can" are now getting a more conservative time frame. The likely result is that that bubble is being stretched and will be good for about 10 years. With the right skills you can take advantage of that bubble in places other than Ft. Mac, like Texas where skilled labor is getting signing bonuses, per diems and loyalty bonuses to sign on and stay with construction projects. Still my point was exactly what you have amplified. The unusually high salary cited in the article is a function of the location, and to a lesser extent the skill set. Ft. McMurray is in the middle of nowhere. It costs a fortune to live there but oil companies will pay what it takes to get the resources there... The market for engineers and skilled labor in the US is better than it has been for 15 or 20 years. For me Ft. Mac is a nice place to visit 6 months out of the year. This is not just a ----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL SCHMIDT" To: ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS > Gene > > That boom is, to a large degree, a bubble that is going to burst...and > when it does, look out. > > Living in Edmonton, the economy is pretty sweet here too, and it is oil > driven. Sure you can make huge bucks doing pretty much anything in Fort > Mac, but where does it get you? > > Right now, McDonald's can't keep staff paying them $20 per hour...that is > roughly 3x what other McDonald's pay for the same jobs in other cities. > Why? Because you can't live on $20 an hour there. > > Last year I was having dinner with some friends of friends. One worked as > some type of blue collar labourer in Fort Mac. On top of the $70K he got > paid to do a job he could barely make $35K doing anywhere else, his > company also had to pay him a $70K per year allowance for living > expenses!! > > If you happened to live there 10-15 years ago, and owned a house, and work > there now, you're set. But if you move up there now, and have to pay your > own expenses, by the time you pay all the additional living expenses > you're no better off than you would be living somewhere else and making > less money. > > It is, apparantly, the most expensive place in Canada to live.... > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gene@fossilnut.com > Date: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:48 am > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] TOO FEW NATURAL RESOURCES SCIENTISTS > >> Not to take issue with the general gist of the article I would >> like to point >> out that engineers, geologists and just about any skilled labor >> (welders, >> pipefitters, heavy equipment operators, machinists etc.) can make >> huge wages >> and salaries working in the Athabasca sands area. Such skills are >> in >> critically short supply in that area, being driven by explosive >> growth in >> petroleum production from the region and the heightened >> competition for such >> skills elsewhere in the US. >> >> On the other hand I've been to Ft. Mc Murray which is literally >> in the >> middle of nowhere. Might be a good resume builder and savings >> account >> builder for someone just starting out. >> >> Gene Hartstein >> Newark, DE >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > That would have made clear that the student and not >> > government is responsible for her employment prospects. >> > Moreover, it would have been great advice. Today, energy >> > and mining companies are paying top dollar for petroleum and >> > mining engineers: graduates will receive a starting salary >> > of $65,000 plus a sizeable signing bonus. A recent Colorado >> > School of Mines Mining Engineering graduate received a >> > $120,000 package from an energy company developing Canada's >> > Athabasca oil sands. Unfortunately, there are too few such >> > qualified graduates; as a result, not only are those jobs >> > going begging, top executives in the oil patch and mining >> > are calling the situation a "crisis." >> > >> > >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 2 07:27:17 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jan 2 07:27:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes In-Reply-To: <019701c72a32$92fbdee0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <20070102152717.41655.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Only problem with Althor is their fairly large minimum order- $ 100, I think. Otherwise, a good suggestion. Jim gene@fossilnut.com wrote: Try these sources. Althor Products - find them on Google. I've done business with them for many years, Geosource more aligned with mineral collector standard items. http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html Mineral and Fossil Supply - http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html Other http://www.geoprime.com/geology_lab_supplies.htm Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes >I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to >have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do you >suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to purchase >them from a fellow rockhounder. > Thanks for your help. > June > Twin Cities > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Jan 2 08:44:09 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Jan 2 08:42:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics In-Reply-To: <002501c72df6$235fbcb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <459917A1.6030001@tenforward.com> <002501c72df6$235fbcb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <459A8BD9.5070700@tenforward.com> Hi Alan, Thank you for writing. Your post well reflects the accomplishments we can experience by getting out there and looking! I hope your collecting continues to be successful! Happy New Year and all the very best, John Alan Goldstein wrote: > I have kept some records of collecting trips over the past 30 years. > Nothing really in-depth, but enough to trigger memories. I have been > photgraphically documenting collecting trips for about as long. That > is one reason why I have been able to post a large number of site pix > on mindat. Still have many more to post, but other tasks have a higher > priority. > > My current curatorial project nearing completion is photographing > every horn coral in my collection. Since I have just cataloged number > 768, going through flats with fossils wrapped in 1988 newspaper has > been quite a project. (Mild weather and week on vacation has made this > project move faster than anticipated.) I was mildly surpised how many > were missing, but I have drawers with corals that are not easily > reached with a winterized garage. Over-size specimens (too big for > flats) are currently inaccessible, too. I will tackle my collection of > colonial corals when time allows, but that one is even larger (nearly > 1000 specimens)! I am copying images and data onto a CD. Eventually I > will post images of those KY corals on a KGS web site (that is still > being developed) -- the are about 300 species in Kentucky and > Indiana's Paleozoic rocks. > > 2006 was a good year for collecting -- especially fossils. I hope 2007 > is comparable -- for everyone else as well! > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" > > To: "Drizzle" > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:16 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics > > >> 1/1/2007 >> >> Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics >> >> By John Cornish >> j&gcornish@tenforward.com >> >> >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> For over fourteen years now I've written a Field Collecting Journal >> which documents all of my mineral and fossil collecting trips during >> this period. Currently these adventures span five separate volumes >> with well over 1000 pages of text, drawings, maps, etc. I've compiled >> my statistics for this last years collecting, 2006, and have included >> them following if you've an interest. For me, my journals are >> constant sources for reference and smiles and for this reason more >> then any other, I hope you'll consider starting a Field Collecting >> Journal of your own. > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Jan 2 08:46:45 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Jan 2 08:44:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] About the Eastern Shanghai Geological Museum, People's Republic of China In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459A8C75.201@tenforward.com> Hi Johan, Thank you for sharing your impressions of this institution. I doubt I'll be in China any time soon and it was a pleasant read this morning, touring through the collections with you. Thank you for taking the time to post. All the very best, John Johan Maertens wrote: >About the Eastern Shanghai Geological Museum, People's Republic of >China >Visit by Johan Maertens on 2006 December 9 > >The Eastern Shanghai Geological Museum ? also known as the Shanghai >Museum of Geological Popular Science - lies in Nanhui District 2 km >to the north of Pudong Airport, about one-hour drive from the >People's Square. The freestanding building covers an area of more >than 10000 square meters, with an exhibition area of 3600 square >meters. >The museum is different from and should not be confused with the >Shanghai Science and Technology Museum, a $180 million project >recently completed. The building is located next to the Lingkong >Nongyi Grand View Garden and is part of the Sunqiao Modern >Agriculture development Area occupying over 1,500 hectares. > >The Museum includes six halls: the Mineral & Rock Hall, the Gemstones >Hall, the Earth History Hall, the Ancient Creatures Hall, the >Topography Hall and the National Land Resources Hall. >The Mineral & Rock Hall exhibits prevalent minerals and rocks from >China. It includes " World Class" specimens like a 3.6 meter tall and >80 cm in diameter gypsum crystal (that recently broke in two), >another group of one meter large gypsum crystals, a 2 meter wide rock >with groups of pink calcites and another over 1 ton heavy specimen >from Hunan Province with intergrown cubic fluorite crystals with deep >emerald green color and resinous luster topped by flower like calcite >rhombohedron crystals up to 300 millimeter large. Almost forty >percent of the displayed minerals are calcites in different crystal >shapes and color. Other exhibited minerals include abundant fluorite, >quartz, and limited systematic grouped minerals. >The hall hosts a rich trove of exhibits, including some 30,000 >geology-related specimens with about five percent on display. >The Gemstones Hall on the second floor, exhibits natural and >artificial gemstones rough and finished, like diamond, ruby, >sapphire, emerald, spinel and amethyst. Specimens are from China >deposits and other geographical locations are put on show in over one >hundred separated displays. >The Earth History Hall, displays the plate tectonic theory evolution >and many rock structures on specimens, like fold and fault structure >etc. There are large esthetic boulders and polished sections selected >for formation, mineralogy, color combinations, mineral patterns and >erosion patterns. A huge terrestrial globe and illustrations around >the walls document the origin and development of the planet, its >internal structure and the characteristics of the Earth's surface. >Ancient Creatures Hall exhibits fossils. Here one can see petrified >wood. Two massive dinosaur skeletons form the centerpiece. One of the >exhibited dinosaurs was excavated in Zigong, Sichuan Province in >1996. It is a carnivorous dinosaur that roamed the planet about 140 >million years ago. The dinosaur was 10 meters long and 5.3 meters >tall. >The seven-meter-tall skeleton of the other dinosaur was excavated in >Lufeng County, Yunnan Province in 1968. Lufeng County is called the >homeland of dinosaurs in China and contains vertebrate fossils of the >earliest Jurassic Origin. Lufengosaurus is one of the earliest >dinosaurs discovered, dating back to the late Triassic period of the >Mesozoic era. Seven articulated ichthyosaur skeletons excavated in >Guizhou Province are perhaps of the greatest scientific importance >among the museum collections. >In the Topography Hall, visitors can familiarize with different types >of landforms from a birds' eye view. >National Land Resources Hall documents the story of how Shanghai Area >evolved from 1800 million years ago to present, and the land >subsidence development history. The exhibit is dedicated to land >resources in Shanghai. It explains to visitors how the city gradually >came into being since the land on its western borders formed 6,000 >years ago and the current geological situation of the city. >Outside the building is a display of unique natural shaped limestone >rocks. > >The geological and mineralogical sections are useful for the casual >and specialized visitors. Several textual exhibits are translated in >English for international visitors. The labels next to the specimens >were in Chinese with occasional addition of the English mineral name. >The guidebook, included in the admission fee is exclusively in >Chinese. No English-speaking guide was on duty during my visit. >The displays showed specimens with good spacing and poor to good >lighting. Some minerals were misidentified or English translation had >spelling errors. > >Contact >About one-hour drive from the People's Square. >No.1 Huazhou Road, Airport Town, Pudong, Shanghai, China >Tel: +86-21-58934084 >Fax: +86-21-58934892 >E-mail: 68782551@shdz.org >MSN:shlingkong@hotmail.com >The museum is open seven days a week. >Reference = http://www.shdz.org/new/en/index.htm > > > >Johan Maertens >mineral dot maertens at att dot net > >Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? >Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at >http://www.minerant.org >Enjoy the beauty of calcite and join the International Calcite >Collectors Association >Visit http://www.rockhounds.com/icca/ > > > > > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Jan 2 08:49:07 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Jan 2 08:47:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics In-Reply-To: <003201c72dc2$c65da640$0300a8c0@Notebook> References: <459917A1.6030001@tenforward.com> <003201c72dc2$c65da640$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <459A8D03.3070606@tenforward.com> Hi John, Thanks for the positive comments, I appreciate it. You and Julie and the work you (and the team) do to keep this list functioning is also an inspiration to many, myself certainly included! All the very best, John John Siebel wrote: > John, > > As always, you are an inspiration. > > Happy New Year to you, Gloria and all List members! > > John Siebel > Santa, ID > > > From: "John and Gloria Cornish" > >> 1/1/2007 >> >> Field Trip Journals and My 2006 Year End Statistics > > > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Tue Jan 2 09:28:36 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Tue Jan 2 09:26:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions In-Reply-To: <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com> <014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook> <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <459A9644.8060404@tenforward.com> Hi Larry, I loved this, very enjoyable in the "vein" it's presented in! Thank goodness for a New Year! A cute, cleaver read!!! :-) All the very best, John Lawrence Rush wrote: > My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 > > Larry Rush > > > > 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the > state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70) > > > 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is > included in my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from > oak leaves) > > > 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always > count the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's > result- ungodly itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along > with permanent notes in my medical records) > > > 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute > for insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 > straight showers and Lysol soap) > > > 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a > prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of > fragments instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit) > > > 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen > can still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet > mine (Last year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to > disinfect and bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never > end in family get-togethers) > > > 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the > wood's edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 > towing charge, a reprint in my club's bulletin from the local > newspaper's "Police Blotter", and my subsequent resignation as Field > Trip Director.) > > > 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a > hiking staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken > femur, ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new > calcites from that site) > > > 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions > completely, my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to > the Springfield Show while in her direct line of sight at all times. > > > > From tim at orerockon.com Tue Jan 2 10:52:59 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Jan 2 10:51:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes In-Reply-To: <20070102152717.41655.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <019701c72a32$92fbdee0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> <20070102152717.41655.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070102104939.03c9eec0@orerockon.com> Sell them to your friends. My rock club & fossil club buy bulk items all the time and have no problem selling them to members at cost. Perky boxes are one item we have ordered in bulk and we continually sell a few of them to members, ditto with the little magnifier boxes, and label and rock stands, and tumbling grit. I wouldn't let a minimum order stand in the way of a great deal that you can pass along to all your friends. At 07:27 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: >Only problem with Althor is their fairly large minimum order- $ 100, >I think. Otherwise, a good suggestion. > Jim > >gene@fossilnut.com wrote: > Try these sources. > >Althor Products - find them on Google. I've done business with them for many >years, > >Geosource more aligned with mineral collector standard items. >http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html > >Mineral and Fossil Supply - http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html > >Other http://www.geoprime.com/geology_lab_supplies.htm > >Gene Hartstein > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "June Young" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:49 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes > > > >I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to > >have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do you > >suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to purchase > >them from a fellow rockhounder. > > Thanks for your help. > > June > > Twin Cities > > > > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From libawc at emory.edu Tue Jan 2 11:30:50 2007 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:30:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions In-Reply-To: <000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <00b001c72ea4$82704ae0$0aa18caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Very funny Larry! (Although, probably not funny at the time). Could we have permission to reprint this in the Georgia Mineral Society's newsletter "Tips and Trips"? Anita Westlake VP Programs, Ga Mineral Soc -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:46 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 Larry Rush 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70) 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is included in my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from oak leaves) 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always count the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's result- ungodly itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along with permanent notes in my medical records) 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute for insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 straight showers and Lysol soap) 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of fragments instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit) 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen can still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet mine (Last year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to disinfect and bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never end in family get-togethers) 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the wood's edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 towing charge, a reprint in my club's bulletin from the local newspaper's "Police Blotter", and my subsequent resignation as Field Trip Director.) 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a hiking staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken femur, ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new calcites from that site) 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions completely, my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to the Springfield Show while in her direct line of sight at all times. -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jan 2 11:33:07 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jan 2 11:33:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian wrote: > That sums up my thoughts on the matter too. The scientists who take an > aggressive atheist position are just as wrong as the creationists, IMO. > Science is the study of 'how' thing happen and not 'why' things happen. Axel begs to differ ;-))) If you take God into the equation, you're taking the easy way out en are in fact replacing science by 'gut feeling'. Einstein gave us a good example of what may happen when you act upon such emotions: Looking at the data of the expansion of the universe and the presence of matter that were collected at the time, Einstein decided to introduce a constant into his theories to account for discrepancies and 'fit' the data to the theory rather than find the discrepancy itself. The speed at which the universe was expanding was not matching the speed at which it would be eternally in balance with gravity and that was an unbearable thought for him. As it turns out, the constant was about right but it was the result of a sense of aesthetics, divine perfection, rather than real science. Einstein later publicly apologized for this "blemish" on his work. The way of thinking that leads to this kind of errors is somewhat of an extension of the anthropic principle... In order to sustain "creation" (and intelligent observers) the universe must be perfect. Therefore it must be the result of divine actions. If the universe proves NOT to be perfect and eternal we can always introduce a constant into our equations that makes it static and eternal so that we can preserve the image of creation by an infallible superbeing. Not so long ago the cause of the discrepancy between mass data and expansion of the universe was replaced by the notion of accelerating expansion. Einstein's correction was "the right amount for the wrong reason"... He is no less a genius for it and the error was not really his but the result of a thoroughly religious upbringing (he also said "God doesn't play dice!" in a debate about the uncertainty principle). Our background is a most powerful agent in all our thought-processes. It takes a REALLY free spirit to shake off the way of thinking that your parents, however lovingly, indoctrinated you with. Now, WHY an HOW things happen belong BOTH to the realm of science. They are the yin and the yang of causality. We cannot speak sensibly about the cosmos without answering both questions. If we answer them by "because God made it so" we may as well stop looking for the answers. There are 21 major religions on earth, atheism excluded. All of them claim to have the one and only true God. Nonetheless, the top 3 of convictions looks like this: 1 Christianity: 2.1 billion 2 Islam: 1.3 billion 3 Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion I think that it's safe to assume that the earth is a little older than creationists want us to believe. ;-))) Cheers Axel From gene at fossilnut.com Tue Jan 2 12:59:51 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Tue Jan 2 12:59:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes References: <019701c72a32$92fbdee0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75><20070102152717.41655.qmail@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20070102104939.03c9eec0@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <012c01c72eb0$f3625ca0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Actually I do the same thing for these and for things like flats and fold up boxes. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes > Sell them to your friends. My rock club & fossil club buy bulk items all > the time and have no problem selling them to members at cost. Perky boxes > are one item we have ordered in bulk and we continually sell a few of them > to members, ditto with the little magnifier boxes, and label and rock > stands, and tumbling grit. I wouldn't let a minimum order stand in the way > of a great deal that you can pass along to all your friends. > > At 07:27 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: >>Only problem with Althor is their fairly large minimum order- $ 100, I >>think. Otherwise, a good suggestion. >> Jim >> >>gene@fossilnut.com wrote: >> Try these sources. >> >>Althor Products - find them on Google. I've done business with them for >>many >>years, >> >>Geosource more aligned with mineral collector standard items. >>http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html >> >>Mineral and Fossil Supply - http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html >> >>Other http://www.geoprime.com/geology_lab_supplies.htm >> >>Gene Hartstein >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "June Young" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:49 PM >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes >> >> >> >I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to >> >have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do >> >you >> >suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to >> >purchase >> >them from a fellow rockhounder. >> > Thanks for your help. >> > June >> > Twin Cities >> > >> > >> > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Jan 2 16:35:21 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Jan 2 16:31:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals References: <200701010201.l0121Yba027261@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <010201c72ecf$0dbbd4f0$6b01a8c0@rock3> I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might be a species that no one is offering to sell on the net. Rock From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jan 2 17:18:09 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jan 2 17:18:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals References: <200701010201.l0121Yba027261@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <010201c72ecf$0dbbd4f0$6b01a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <003401c72ed5$079e11e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I have done some searches for specific species and the top results are almost always connected to mindat or similar data sites, then some scholarly stuff. It usually isn't to a vendor. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals >I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might be >a > species that no one is offering to sell on the net. > Rock > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jan 2 18:37:20 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jan 2 18:34:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals References: <200701010201.l0121Yba027261@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <010201c72ecf$0dbbd4f0$6b01a8c0@rock3> <003401c72ed5$079e11e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <459B1642.75EA@Tomaszewski.net> If Mindat or similar data sites don't have a picture of a specimen it is a pretty good indication it is a rare mineral. Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > I have done some searches for specific species and the top results are > almost always connected to mindat or similar data sites, then some scholarly > stuff. It usually isn't to a vendor. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rock Currier" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals > > >I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might be > >a > > species that no one is offering to sell on the net. > > Rock > > From totis99 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 2 20:00:06 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Tue Jan 2 20:00:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: <20070103040006.80452.qmail@web36709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was sending this link to Don Halterman and it occurred to me there are those on the list that might find it interesting also... http://minerals.caltech.edu/index.htm fascinating but way beyond my little brain lol! happy hunting, Teresa Otis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Jan 2 21:04:39 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Jan 2 21:04:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: Teresa, Very good link! Thanks for posting it on the list! Glenn From: totis99@yahoo.com Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy I was sending this link to Don Halterman and it occurred to me there are those on the list that might find it interesting also... http://minerals.caltech.edu/index.htm fascinating but way beyond my little brain lol! happy hunting, Teresa Otis _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Jan 2 21:12:44 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Jan 2 21:12:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of desert obsidian including apache tears? Common name and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is CaCO3. Glenn From: totis99@yahoo.com Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy I was sending this link to Don Halterman and it occurred to me there are those on the list that might find it interesting also... http://minerals.caltech.edu/index.htm fascinating but way beyond my little brain lol! happy hunting, Teresa Otis Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out! _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet at centurytel.net Tue Jan 2 22:16:22 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (geenet@centurytel.net) Date: Tue Jan 2 22:16:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions References: <00b001c72ea4$82704ae0$0aa18caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Message-ID: <005101c72efe$b18ae830$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Also, can I have permission to add your list to our newsletter for the Mobile Rock & Gem Society. I don't have to mention any names ;-) Jeanette > Very funny Larry! (Although, probably not funny at the time). > Could we have permission to reprint this in the Georgia Mineral Society's > newsletter "Tips and Trips"? > > Anita Westlake > VP Programs, > Ga Mineral Soc > > > My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 > > Larry Rush > From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Wed Jan 3 00:51:16 2007 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Wed Jan 3 00:51:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions References: <235.14d9e0e5.32cab4f4@aol.com> <014a01c72ddf$b76b2dc0$0300a8c0@Notebook><000601c72de5$cd12f1c0$f92bd64c@LarryRush> <459A9644.8060404@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <005d01c72f14$56749200$665fe842@Titans> Larry Outstanding, I wonder if were related ? Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] My New Years Collecting Resolutions > Hi Larry, > > I loved this, very enjoyable in the "vein" it's presented in! Thank > goodness for a New Year! A cute, cleaver read!!! :-) > > All the very best, > > John > > Lawrence Rush wrote: > >> My New Year's Collecting Resolutions- 2007 >> >> Larry Rush >> >> >> >> 1.. I resolve not to lecture the DEP Warden as to who REALLY owns the >> state land on which I was collecting . (Last year's fine- $70) >> >> >> 2.. I resolve to always check to be sure the toilet tissue is included >> in my collecting buckets. (Last year's result- soreness from oak leaves) >> >> >> 3.. In the event I again forget resolution #2, I resolve to always count >> the number of leaves on the tissue replacement. (Last year's result- >> ungodly itching, and my doctor's humiliating laughter, along with >> permanent notes in my medical records) >> >> >> 4.. I resolve to never again use motor oil as an emergency substitute >> for insect repellent. (Last year's result-a 4 week rash following 3 >> straight showers and Lysol soap) >> >> >> 5.. I resolve never to make the "one last" hammer trimming blow on a >> prized crystal specimen. (Last year's result- a worthless pile of >> fragments instead of First Prize in the club's show exhibit) >> >> >> 6.. I resolve to never again show my daughter that a senior citizen can >> still leap over a barbed wire fence while walking to the garnet mine >> (Last year's result- torn pants, ripped buttocks which she had to >> disinfect and bandage, and a source of scornful tales that will never end >> in family get-togethers) >> >> >> 7.. I resolve to pay closer attention to the road signs posted at the >> wood's edge near my favorite pegmatite. (Last year's result- $70 towing >> charge, a reprint in my club's bulletin from the local newspaper's >> "Police Blotter", and my subsequent resignation as Field Trip Director.) >> >> >> 8.. I resolve not to use my 5 foot, 50 pound railroad pry bar as a >> hiking staff while climbing a quarry wall ( Last year's result- broken >> femur, ambulance ride, $2370 Emergency Room charges, and no new calcites >> from that site) >> >> >> 9.. In the event that I am unable to follow these resolutions >> completely, my wife also resolves to limit my collecting in 2007 to the >> Springfield Show while in her direct line of sight at all times. >> >> >> >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 07:30:14 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jan 3 07:30:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes In-Reply-To: <012c01c72eb0$f3625ca0$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <881406.16887.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do exactly that with micromount boxes and 1" fold-up boxes. I had the impression that other sizes wre what was required, though. Jim www.sauktown.com gene@fossilnut.com wrote: Actually I do the same thing for these and for things like flats and fold up boxes. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes > Sell them to your friends. My rock club & fossil club buy bulk items all > the time and have no problem selling them to members at cost. Perky boxes > are one item we have ordered in bulk and we continually sell a few of them > to members, ditto with the little magnifier boxes, and label and rock > stands, and tumbling grit. I wouldn't let a minimum order stand in the way > of a great deal that you can pass along to all your friends. > > At 07:27 AM 1/2/2007, you wrote: >>Only problem with Althor is their fairly large minimum order- $ 100, I >>think. Otherwise, a good suggestion. >> Jim >> >>gene@fossilnut.com wrote: >> Try these sources. >> >>Althor Products - find them on Google. I've done business with them for >>many >>years, >> >>Geosource more aligned with mineral collector standard items. >>http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html >> >>Mineral and Fossil Supply - http://geoed.com/GE-display-pg.html >> >>Other http://www.geoprime.com/geology_lab_supplies.htm >> >>Gene Hartstein >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "June Young" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:49 PM >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromount Boxes >> >> >> >I am looking for boxes to display some small stones in. I would like to >> >have lids on them as we have a lot of dust. What company or website do >> >you >> >suggest? I do not need many, less than 30. I would be willing to >> >purchase >> >them from a fellow rockhounder. >> > Thanks for your help. >> > June >> > Twin Cities >> > >> > >> > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From anthony.schlinsog at chca.com Wed Jan 3 08:14:18 2007 From: anthony.schlinsog at chca.com (Anthony Schlinsog) Date: Wed Jan 3 08:14:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: How to Prevent Marcasite From Tarnishing Message-ID: <88141DBF4B963244AC4DAC5E82C06F71215991@chcasrvmail1.chca.com> Greetings and a happy new year everyone!! I am usually just a lurker on this list and though I have contributed little (I don't really have much to add), I have learned a great deal and want to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge so freely. I do have a question that I hope someone here can help with. I have collected a fair amount of marcasite from the shales of central Kansas. After soaking them in an Oxalic Acid solution, followed by a prolonged rinsing with water, their luster has been restored. But over a period of months, they oxidize again and loose their luster. I would like to hand some of the marcasite out at my daughter's school and was wondering if there is something I can spray on them after the cleaning, rinsing & drying process that would prevent the future oxidation...? Since the samples would end up in the bottom drawer of a child rather than in a more "serious" collection, I'm mainly concerned that whatever coating I apply not be really noticeable to the untrained eye. Any suggestions? Thanks! Anthony Schlinsog Shawnee, KS From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Wed Jan 3 08:33:57 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Wed Jan 3 08:26:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Lapidary Problem Hour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everybody, Time at last to let the pigeons fly out of the hat. None too soon either. Let me steer your Tucson steps in the direction of the new "Electric Park Learning Center", a stand-alone dedicated show tent offering three-times-a-day scheduled (and free, open to all) presentations, demonstrations, introductions of new machines, new jewelry and lapidary materials and techniques. It's fifteen full days of public show-and-tell, watch, talk, learn and meet people. There's nothing quite like it at Tucson, not as far as I know. The web site is at last up. It's not complete. There are blanks in the schedule, and the presenters' biographical information is not yet live. But it is solid enough that I can at last take the wraps off, and here it is: www.electricparklearningcenter.com What brings me more specifically to the Lapidary Problem Hour is a Tucson encounter of two years ago that sticks in my mind. It was a lady from Southern Europe. She was with the jade carvers in Guatemala. And there she was, having been sent to Tucson, buying tools and supplies at the Alpha Supply booth, uncertainly, with an air of bafflement, barely the faintest notion of how the carving process actually worked, and hence scant grasp of what sort of tools might even be useful. Perhaps she was on a UNESCO grant or something of that sort. She told me about jury-rigged discs the carvers made from old motors and refrigerator parts. And I thought my gosh, my gosh, now there's a glimpse of the real world; if only I could teletransport myself down there for even two hours of intensive lapidary show-and-tell. Makes you feel frustrated and helpless. So that's part of the background out of which the "Lapidary Problem Hour" originated as a Learning Center presentation. What does this have to do with the "Rockhounds" list? Well, Rockhounds list members are from all over the world. Who knows what contacts you may collectively have. Perhaps you may have personal knowledge of or contact with, just such a third-world cottage craft, perhaps similarly blundering. If you do, please take a moment to steer them toward the "Learning Center" programs, some of which could be very helpful in that context. And last but not least if you look at the schedule as it is today you'll see that there are a few presentation slots still open. Do any of you folks have special expertise that you'd like to explain and demonstrate? How about cleaning techniques for mineral specimens? A session on fossil preparation? Would anyone care to give one on photography of minerals, gems and jewelry? Or maybe techniques for effective selling, internet or otherwise? No matter how special your expertise may be -Tucson is large - every niche of the mineral-gem-fossil-jewelry fraternity is represented. The Rockhounds list includes a similar broad spectrum. Why not put the two together? If you'd like to give a presentation please email me off-list. Cheers! Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From anthony.schlinsog at chca.com Wed Jan 3 08:31:21 2007 From: anthony.schlinsog at chca.com (Anthony Schlinsog) Date: Wed Jan 3 08:31:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: How to Prevent Marcasite From Tarnishing Message-ID: <88141DBF4B963244AC4DAC5E82C06F712159A9@chcasrvmail1.chca.com> Greetings and a happy new year everyone!! I am usually just a lurker on this list and though I have contributed little (I don't really have much to add), I have learned a great deal and want to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge so freely. I do have a question that I hope someone here can help with. I have collected a fair amount of marcasite from the shales of central Kansas. After soaking them in an Oxalic Acid solution, followed by a prolonged rinsing with water, their luster has been restored. But over a period of months, they oxidize again and loose their luster. I would like to hand some of the marcasite out at my daughter's school and was wondering if there is something I can spray on them after the cleaning, rinsing & drying process that would prevent the future oxidation...? Since the samples would end up in the bottom drawer of a child rather than in a more "serious" collection, I'm mainly concerned that whatever coating I apply not be really noticeable to the untrained eye. Any suggestions? Thanks! Anthony Schlinsog Shawnee, KS --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nsmith at hughes.net Tue Jan 2 20:30:21 2007 From: nsmith at hughes.net (Norm Smith) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:00:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Red Labradorite/Oregon Sunstone FREE DIG at Spectrum Mines Message-ID: <459B315D.000003.03816@GATEWAY32> Hi There, Saw your mine on the travel channel and thought I'd like to stop by this next year when up in Oregon. It appears that your web-site www highdesertgemsandminerals.com is currently down so I was unable to get any information on your location. Can you tell me where you are located (Map?) what months you are open and,when you web-site may be back up. Thanks, Happy New Year and look forward to seeing ya later this year. Regards, Norm Smith --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- From dcoyote2111 at aol.com Wed Jan 3 03:45:03 2007 From: dcoyote2111 at aol.com (dcoyote2111@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:00:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] davis creek obsidian question Message-ID: My name is Don Sutton I'm from Las Vegas Nevada, I'm about ready to retire out of the Las Vegas police dept soon and have picked up a last minute retirement hobby of flintknapping. I plan on a summer trip to the glass buttes in Oregon to attend a seminar and plan on swinging by Davis creek on my way home to get some more rock to bring back to Vegas to work on, problem is,,I'm not really familiar with northern calif or Davis creek ,was hoping someone could help me out or send me to a person or place that might be able to ,? rules,maps,directions ,permits , site locations and how to dig for it (never collected a rock before ),,, id be willing to pay for this information if need be, I just don't want to drive all that way to wonder around ,,,, any help you could offer would be sincerely appreciated,,,,,,,thank you very much for your time, dcoyote2111@aol.com Don Sutton Las Vegas Nv 702-655-6850 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Jan 3 10:05:11 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Jan 3 10:06:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] davis creek obsidian question References: Message-ID: <014101c72f61$c0c6b690$0300a8c0@Notebook> Note that Don is not yet a list member so contact him off list. John Siebel ADMIN Team ----- Original Message ----- From: > My name is Don Sutton I'm from Las Vegas Nevada, From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Jan 3 13:57:47 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Wed Jan 3 13:57:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Red Labradorite/Oregon Sunstone FREE DIG at SpectrumMines In-Reply-To: <459B315D.000003.03816@GATEWAY32> Message-ID: <005501c72f82$09a3eb60$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Norm: I'm not affiliated with the high desert Gems and Minerals website; but I can tell you it was working just a few days ago. So I assume the website outage is temporary. When their website comes back up, you can get the map and directions. Meanwhile use Plush Oregon as the town that is relatively close to the diggings. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Norm Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:30 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Red Labradorite/Oregon Sunstone FREE DIG at SpectrumMines Hi There, Saw your mine on the travel channel and thought I'd like to stop by this next year when up in Oregon. It appears that your web-site www highdesertgemsandminerals.com is currently down so I was unable to get any information on your location. Can you tell me where you are located (Map?) what months you are open and,when you web-site may be back up. Thanks, Happy New Year and look forward to seeing ya later this year. Regards, Norm Smith --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Jan 3 17:47:24 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:43:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What is a rare mineral References: <200701030203.l0322kWM002712@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <01de01c72fa2$48689790$6b01a8c0@rock3> I have seen a lot of rare minerals and some are so rare that they are not even on the specimen. What is a rare mineral is subjective and each person will come up with his own definition, but some person's opinions are likely to be more valid than others. The topic got me thinking and I sent an email to Tony Nickshire (excalibur minerals) probably the premier rare species dealer of minerals here in the US and the question got him thinking also. His off the cuff observations are interesting and I think worth including, in part here. Because I have "specialized" in "rare minerals" from more than 30 years, I guess I'm less inclined to call something rare than many other folks might, only because I have seen and sold so many species. Anything I haven't had in the inventory at some time is probably rare. Many things I have had only once or twice in the last 30+years are probably "rare", too. Anything you can consistently buy from the average mineral dealer at the average mineral show is not rare. However, rarity is an elusive term, meaning many different things to different people, and a mineral alone can be both common as well as rare: ie. franklinite is common from New Jersey, but it is rare from Sweden. Alsot, does quality count? Superb, undamaged wulfenites over 3cm from Tsumeb are rare; wulfenite itself is not, at least not in the mineral marketplace. I don't have a list of "rare" minerals, nor do I have a firm definition outside of my "seen and sold it many times" experience. The German "Mineralienverzeichnis" by Stefan Weiss (the European "Fleischer's") attempts to assign a rarity factor (from zero to three stars) for all species, and I would generally agree with the ratings he used for most minerals, but there are always exceptions. He essentially rates species as common, less common, rare and very rare. But, there are no precise definitions of those terms that he offers. Informed opinions? Statistical accuracy? Careful compilation? And so forth.... Hmmm... this would make a good article for Mineral News... want to share your thoughts publicly? The Infidel So do you want to have your opinion heard? What is your definition of a rare mineral? Rock From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 3 17:58:38 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jan 3 17:58:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: How to Prevent Marcasite From Tarnishing Message-ID: Spray on a light coat of lacquer. Glenn From: anthony.schlinsog@chca.comSubject: [Rockhounds] RE: How to Prevent Marcasite From Tarnishing I do have a question that I hope someone here can help with. I havecollected a fair amount of marcasite from the shales of central Kansas.After soaking them in an Oxalic Acid solution, followed by a prolongedrinsing with water, their luster has been restored. But over a period ofmonths, they oxidize again and loose their luster. Any suggestions? Thanks! Anthony Schlinsog Shawnee, KS _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 3 18:00:43 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:00:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of desert obsidian including apache tears? Common name and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is CaCO3. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Jan 3 18:06:08 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:06:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What is a rare mineral In-Reply-To: <01de01c72fa2$48689790$6b01a8c0@rock3> References: <200701030203.l0322kWM002712@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <01de01c72fa2$48689790$6b01a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: It seems to me that there is one type of mineral that is inherently rare, and that is minerals from the rarest elements, like some of the Platinum group, Rhenium and Osmium for example. Maybe something like Palladodymite. Of course it may be so rare that it doesn't exist in bits big enough to be sold. And thus would never show up on lists with a monetary value. BK On 1/3/07, Rock Currier wrote: > > I have seen a lot of rare minerals and some are so rare that they are not > even on the specimen. What is a rare mineral is subjective and each person > will come up with his own definition, but some person's opinions are > likely > to be more valid than others. The topic got me thinking and I sent an > email > to Tony Nickshire (excalibur minerals) probably the premier rare species > dealer of minerals here in the US and the question got him thinking also. > His off the cuff observations are interesting and I think worth including, > in part here. > > Because I have "specialized" in "rare minerals" from more than 30 years, I > guess I'm less inclined to call something rare than many other folks > might, > only because I have seen and sold so many species. Anything I haven't had > in > the inventory at some time is probably rare. Many things I have had only > once or twice in the last 30+years are probably "rare", too. Anything you > can consistently buy from the average mineral dealer at the average > mineral > show is not rare. > > However, rarity is an elusive term, meaning many different things to > different people, and a mineral alone can be both common as well as rare: > ie. franklinite is common from New Jersey, but it is rare from Sweden. > > Alsot, does quality count? Superb, undamaged wulfenites over 3cm from > Tsumeb > are rare; wulfenite itself is not, at least not in the mineral > marketplace. > > I don't have a list of "rare" minerals, nor do I have a firm definition > outside of my "seen and sold it many times" experience. The German > "Mineralienverzeichnis" by Stefan Weiss (the European "Fleischer's") > attempts to assign a rarity factor (from zero to three stars) for all > species, and I would generally agree with the ratings he used for most > minerals, but there are always exceptions. He essentially rates species as > common, less common, rare and very rare. But, there are no precise > definitions of those terms that he offers. > > Informed opinions? Statistical accuracy? Careful compilation? And so > forth.... > > Hmmm... this would make a good article for Mineral News... want to share > your thoughts publicly? > > The Infidel > > So do you want to have your opinion heard? What is your definition of a > rare > mineral? > > Rock > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From totis99 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 18:14:34 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:14:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <261330.74566.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> umm, you mean the perlite? (and that's all I know about that lol) Teresa O. --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of > desert obsidian including apache tears? Common name > and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is > CaCO3. Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ > Try amazing new 3D maps > http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jan 3 18:32:13 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:31:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What is a rare mineral In-Reply-To: References: <200701030203.l0322kWM002712@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <01de01c72fa2$48689790$6b01a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <459C672D.5020802@verizon.net> Wow, I don't know how that all got started, but it shouldn't be all that difficult to define what rare is, and I am especially surprised that Tony didn't have a better handle on it. The simplest definition of rarity is the amount of confirmed material available. Now, we do need to put aside the idea that there are plenty of rare species out there living as specks on someone's specimen of a larger and more obvious mineral, but are not and probably never will be identified. There are also plenty of specimens that have been destroyed--the previous example of franklinite is a classic case of a mineral that was common at one locality, in the many tons, but most has been smelted to zinc. As someone also pointed out, we can add qualifiers, such as "rare for the locality," "rare in euhedral crystals," etc. But the rarest minerals are the ones where the entire type material was consumed in the descriptive process, or else only a few specks or a handful of confirmed specimens exist anywhere in the known world. As long as someone has a good idea of how much of a certain material is extant, we can get a pretty good handle on its rarity. Tony was right about one thing: if he can't get it, it is probably very very rare indeed! And yes, there was a list compiled by one of the more notable European collectors and was posted on his website, I just can't find it, if it's even there any longer. Most species described in the past 10, maybe 20 years are dismal specks that would have been dismissed under many circumstances. In the case of localities like Mont Saint Hilaire or Franklin/Sterling Hill, the discovery of dozens of new species is only due to the dedication of a small pool of intelligent collectors and a few dedicated mineralogists; otherwise, we would be short quite a few species in this world! The Russians have also taken to mineral description with a wild fervor. However, it is also true that some new species are simply redescriptions of existing species with variations in chemistry or structure. The amphiboles are a good example of this last case. Don From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Wed Jan 3 18:48:52 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Wed Jan 3 18:45:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy References: Message-ID: <001601c72faa$df1faf90$a60ca118@feldsparflash> Glenn, Some of the white (gray?) coating you are referring to may be from rapid cooling of volcanic glass and that material is known as perlite. Sometimes you can find spheruloids "apache tears" incased in the perlite which has cracked due to contraction. The white snowflakes in snowflake obsidian I understand is a devitrification and contains microscopic sandine and high temperature quartz crystals, cristobalite. There are some amazing examples of obsidian with large white spheres of these minerals. They look like white balls stuck into the glass. I too would like to know more about what happens when volcanic glass cools. Another coating is desert varnish but it is brown and manganese. A good mystery, have you tried a bit of acid on the white coating? Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of desert obsidian including apache tears? Common name and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is CaCO3. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 3 19:44:06 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jan 3 19:44:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: Isn't perlite lava with air bubbles? And the "snowflakes" in the spotty obsidian. The stuff I'm referring to is a coating on the surface. It looks like white paint (flat latex) or a very fine concrete like mortar. I thought it was "desert varnish" but from some recent links, desert varnish is shown as dark and has a high luster. Glenn From: totis99@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy umm, you mean the perlite? (and that's all I know about that lol) Teresa O. --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of desert obsidian including apache tears? Common name and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is CaCO3. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Jan 3 19:59:20 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Wed Jan 3 19:59:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy References: Message-ID: <023801c72fb4$b8397320$7a9e5a40@marilyn> most likely caliche or calcium carbonatte ie vinigar on it to test for fizz/bubbling perlite usually has a pearly luster if it is obsidian in pearlite. Keep on rocking Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Isn't perlite lava with air bubbles? And the "snowflakes" in the spotty obsidian. The stuff I'm referring to is a coating on the surface. It looks like white paint (flat latex) or a very fine concrete like mortar. I thought it was "desert varnish" but from some recent links, desert varnish is shown as dark and has a high luster. Glenn From: totis99@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy umm, you mean the perlite? (and that's all I know about that lol) Teresa O. --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of desert obsidian including apache tears? Common name and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is CaCO3. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jan 3 20:05:20 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 3 19:59:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What is a rare mineral References: <200701030203.l0322kWM002712@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <01de01c72fa2$48689790$6b01a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <459C7BAF.6D21@Tomaszewski.net> Rock Currier wrote: > > Hmmm... this would make a good article for Mineral News... want to share > your thoughts publicly? > > The Infidel > > So do you want to have your opinion heard? What is your definition of a rare > mineral? > > Rock Rock, The 80/20 Rule implies that 80% of all speciens match 20% of all known minerals. I have roughly 1/3 of all recognised minerals in my collection; I stand by my earlier claim that any mineral not in my collection is a rare mineral. BTW, the 80/20 rule also implies that 80% of all minerals are rare. Kreigh From pjmodreski at att.net Wed Jan 3 20:07:08 2007 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Wed Jan 3 20:07:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: <010420070407.22632.459C7D6B000C2D9F00005868216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Glenn, Carolyn, A few minor clarifications. Perlite is obsidian that has become hydrated (a form of alteration); it is the cloudy, highly fractured, gray matrix that surrounds the "Apache Tear" obsidian nodules, which are the unaltered remnants of the original volcanic glass. When they weather out, they are the Apache Tears. The fracturing in the perlite is actually due to expansion (as it absorbs water), rather than contraction. And yes, as Carolyn says, the "snowflakes" are from devitrification (microscopic crystal growth in the glass) of the obsidian, and are composed of feldspar (sanidine) and one or more forms of silica (probably cristobalite mostly). The whitish coating on the Apache Tears that Glenn is talking about, if it's not calcium carbonate, could just be a thin residual coating of the perlite matrix. I think I've seen what you're talking about, Glenn, thin gray coating, looks as you say, like a smear of paint. I'll bet it doesn't bubble in acid. Pete -------------- Original message from Glenn Wimpee : -------------- > Isn't perlite lava with air bubbles? And the "snowflakes" in the spotty > obsidian. > > The stuff I'm referring to is a coating on the surface. It looks like white > paint (flat latex) or a very fine concrete like mortar. > > I thought it was "desert varnish" but from some recent links, desert varnish is > shown as dark and has a high luster. > Glenn > Glenn, Some of the white (gray?) coating you are referring to may be from rapid cooling of volcanic glass and that material is known as perlite. Sometimes you can find spheruloids "apache tears" incased in the perlite which has cracked due to contraction. The white snowflakes in snowflake obsidian I understand is a devitrification and contains microscopic sandine and high temperature quartz crystals, cristobalite. There are some amazing examples of obsidian with large white spheres of these minerals. They look like white balls stuck into the glass. I too would like to know more about what happens when volcanic glass cools. Another coating is desert varnish but it is brown and manganese. A good mystery, have you tried a bit of acid on the white coating? Carolyn Reynard > > > From: totis99@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy > umm, you mean the perlite? (and that's all I know about that lol) Teresa O. > --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: BTW, what is the off white > coating on lots of desert obsidian including apache tears? > > Common name and chemical make up are of interest. > > My guess is CaCO3. > > Glenn .html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 3 20:18:03 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jan 3 20:18:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: Thanks to those so far responding to this. I thought it would be ultra simple and one of you guys would get a good chuckle at my unfamiliarity and inexperience. The only ones I've self collected came from near Topaz Mountain in Utah. This looks like its forms over a relatively long time...not like it was there immediately on cooling. Seems to me that would leave the obsidian itselef rough, but polish the coating away and ouila! high gloss obsidian. Jeanette suggested it may be lots of tiny scratches, but it doesn't look like that to me. It is definitely a coating. I've seen similar coatings on lava boulders in New Mexico. Here is a link to a fair picture I found by googling: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mine-run-Apache-tears-Obsidion-Mined-in-Airzona_W0QQitemZ290067514345QQihZ019QQcategoryZ415QQcmdZViewItem And I've seen Pele's Tears around Kilauea and no visible coatings on the glass. In my guessing I inferred this coating formed over time. Glenn From: sunstone3@hvc.rr.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Glenn, Some of the white (gray?) coating you are referring to may be from rapid cooling of volcanic glass and that material is known as perlite. Sometimes you can find spheruloids "apache tears" incased in the perlite which has cracked due to contraction. The white snowflakes in snowflake obsidian I understand is a devitrification and contains microscopic sandine and high temperature quartz crystals, cristobalite. There are some amazing examples of obsidian with large white spheres of these minerals. They look like white balls stuck into the glass. I too would like to know more about what happens when volcanic glass cools. Another coating is desert varnish but it is brown and manganese. A good mystery, have you tried a bit of acid on the white coating? Carolyn Reynard _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 3 20:42:07 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jan 3 20:42:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: Yes Pete and Carolyn, of course the snowflakes are due to hydration. I have seen that fact before. And Steve gave me the word I was trying to pull from the dark recesses of my inner cranium: "caliche". Thanks again ya'll. Up past bedtime again and the Sugar Bowl is over.Glenn From: pjmodreski@att.net Glenn, Carolyn, A few minor clarifications. Perlite is obsidian that has become hydrated (a form of alteration); it is the cloudy, highly fractured, gray matrix that surrounds the "Apache Tear" obsidian nodules, which are the unaltered remnants of the original volcanic glass. When they weather out, they are the Apache Tears. The fracturing in the perlite is actually due to expansion (as it absorbs water), rather than contraction. And yes, as Carolyn says, the "snowflakes" are from devitrification (microscopic crystal growth in the glass) of the obsidian, and are composed of feldspar (sanidine) and one or more forms of silica (probably cristobalite mostly). The whitish coating on the Apache Tears that Glenn is talking about, if it's not calcium carbonate, could just be a thin residual coating of the perlite matrix. I think I've seen what you're talking about, Glenn, thin gray coating, looks as you say, like a smear of paint. I'll bet it doesn't bubble in acid. Pete _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jan 3 20:49:49 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 3 20:50:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy Message-ID: Now just one more thought there, Glenn (y'all), correct that a little bit again, the snowflakes aren't due to hydration, they are due to micro scale crystal growth. The formation of the perlite is due to hydration. The snowflakes aren't perlite, those are two different things. Perlite Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jan 3 23:03:47 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jan 3 23:03:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070103225848.03791c50@orerockon.com> I vote for caliche. It forms on anything in contact with super-alkaline desert soils and moisture for long enough. The boulders all over the Soap Lake area in central WA are coated with the stuff. Seems it is from lake water that is evaporated from the surface and redeposited on boulders miles away. If I remember right (this was way back in '87 for you half dead ppl out there like myself) the glass insulators on the utility poles in the town of Soap Lake were notorious for collecting caliche until they got too heavy and threatened to break the crossarms. We tried to take a bath in the stuff at the motel (therapeutic ya know). Yeech. Our 2 year old looked like the world record prune :) At 07:44 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote: >Isn't perlite lava with air bubbles? And the "snowflakes" in the >spotty obsidian. > >The stuff I'm referring to is a coating on the surface. It looks >like white paint (flat latex) or a very fine concrete like mortar. > >I thought it was "desert varnish" but from some recent links, desert >varnish is shown as dark and has a high luster. >Glenn > > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Jan 4 03:23:01 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Jan 4 03:23:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Could be hyalite opal, Glenn. Or some other cryptocrystalline variety of quartz. Try a SW-UV source and see if it fluoresces green. Hyalite doesn't always do that but IF the coating fluoresces green (pale to very strong), it probably is just that. Try diluted HCl or citric acid. If it fizzles it's a carbonate, probably calcite. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]Namens Glenn Wimpee > Verzonden: woensdag 3 januari 2007 6:13 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy > > > > BTW, what is the off white coating on lots of desert obsidian > including apache tears? > > Common name and chemical make up are of interest. My guess is CaCO3. > > Glenn > > > > From: totis99@yahoo.com Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy I was > sending this link to Don Halterman and it occurred to me there > are those on the list that might find it interesting also... > http://minerals.caltech.edu/index.htm fascinating but way beyond > my little brain lol! happy hunting, Teresa Otis > > Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out! > _________________________________________________________________ > Try amazing new 3D maps > http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From JHODEL at wvdep.org Thu Jan 4 08:52:18 2007 From: JHODEL at wvdep.org (J.R. Hodel) Date: Thu Jan 4 08:52:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house Message-ID: Hi: Here's a link to a NYTimes story about a stone (or something like that) falling from the sky - and hitting a house, damaging the bathroom. As if rocks could fall from the sky! http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/nyregion/04ball.html?_r=1&oref=slogin A good photo too. KoR, JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Thu Jan 4 09:55:25 2007 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Thu Jan 4 09:55:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c73029$83324290$0200a8c0@kadok> My favorite geology prof. used to call Snowflake obsidian "Obsidian with a fatal disease". Because the snowflakes just keep growing larger and larger --- and eventually (after MANY years) the snowflake part is all that's left. I've seen some up in the desert in Utah that were getting close to that point --. Margaret >Now just one more thought there, Glenn (y'all), correct that a little bit >again, the snowflakes aren't due to hydration, they are due to micro scale >crystal growth. The formation of the perlite is due to hydration. The >snowflakes aren't perlite, those are two different things. Perlite Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Thu Jan 4 10:35:58 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 4 10:36:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <002d01c73029$83324290$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <8C8FE464FB2476A-4E8-A498@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that the snowflakes are still growing. I don't think so; I think the devitrification that formed them, happened after the obsidian had solidified but was still warm; and once they are dead cold and exposed on the surface of the earth, they are just plain "frozen in" as they are now and do not change any further. If one finds "snowflakes" in different stages of growth, I think it is because they formed that way originally, at different locations within a mass of cooling obsidian, and have just weathered out preserving different stages of "snowflake" formation. [And if they were still growing--which I don't think they are--I think the crystal growth would be totally imperceptible on the scale of a human lifetime, for us to observe.] Anyone was to try a measureable experiment to test this? It may take some considerable patience--best to start it as a young person, I might think. [P.S., I finally remembered to change the subject title!] Pete the Skeptic -----Original Message----- From: kadok@infowest.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy My favorite geology prof. used to call Snowflake obsidian "Obsidian with a fatal disease". Because the snowflakes just keep growing larger and larger --- and eventually (after MANY years) the snowflake part is all that's left. I've seen some up in the desert in Utah that were getting close to that point --. Margaret >Now just one more thought there, Glenn (y'all), correct that a little bit >again, the snowflakes aren't due to hydration, they are due to micro scale >crystal growth. The formation of the perlite is due to hydration. The >snowflakes aren't perlite, those are two different things. Perlite Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Thu Jan 4 11:25:39 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jan 4 11:24:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <8C8FE464FB2476A-4E8-A498@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> References: <002d01c73029$83324290$0200a8c0@kadok> <8C8FE464FB2476A-4E8-A498@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070104111638.037c21b0@orerockon.com> From what I have read, the devitrification is an ongoing process, and one which can readily be used to date obsidian flows. The more snowflakes, the older the flow, until, eventually, in a few million years, what you have left is a perlite deposit. So they are continually devitrifying, just on a geologic, not a human, time scale. So, you can hold onto that obsidian, it will not devitrify for a few million more years. This process (or a similar one? I don't quite understand the chemistry here) produces "hydration rinds" on obsidian artifacts as well, so by measuring the water content of the outside of an artifact, a fairly precise date that it was chipped can be obtained. See http://www.obsidianlab.com/info_oh.html At 10:35 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote: > Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! > >I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that the >snowflakes are still growing. I don't think so; I think the >devitrification that formed them, happened after the obsidian had >solidified but was still warm; and once they are dead cold and >exposed on the surface of the earth, they are just plain "frozen in" >as they are now and do not change any further. > >If one finds "snowflakes" in different stages of growth, I think it >is because they formed that way originally, at different locations >within a mass of cooling obsidian, and have just weathered out >preserving different stages of "snowflake" formation. > >[And if they were still growing--which I don't think they are--I >think the crystal growth would be totally imperceptible on the scale >of a human lifetime, for us to observe.] > >Anyone was to try a measureable experiment to test this? It may >take some considerable patience--best to start it as a young person, >I might think. > >[P.S., I finally remembered to change the subject title!] > >Pete the Skeptic > > >-----Original Message----- >From: kadok@infowest.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:55 AM >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy > > > >My favorite geology prof. used to call Snowflake obsidian "Obsidian with a >fatal disease". Because the snowflakes just keep growing larger and larger >--- and eventually (after MANY years) the snowflake part is all that's >left. I've seen some up in the desert in Utah that were getting close to >that point --. > >Margaret Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From bobl at peaktopeak.com Thu Jan 4 11:53:09 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Thu Jan 4 11:53:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20070104111638.037c21b0@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <200701041953.l04JrA0u023799@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Would soaking the obsidian artifact in water change the devitrification timetable? If so, dating them would be impossible. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:26 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] From what I have read, the devitrification is an ongoing process, and one which can readily be used to date obsidian flows. The more snowflakes, the older the flow, until, eventually, in a few million years, what you have left is a perlite deposit. So they are continually devitrifying, just on a geologic, not a human, time scale. So, you can hold onto that obsidian, it will not devitrify for a few million more years. This process (or a similar one? I don't quite understand the chemistry here) produces "hydration rinds" on obsidian artifacts as well, so by measuring the water content of the outside of an artifact, a fairly precise date that it was chipped can be obtained. See http://www.obsidianlab.com/info_oh.html At 10:35 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote: > Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! > >I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that the >snowflakes are still growing. I don't think so; I think the >devitrification that formed them, happened after the obsidian had >solidified but was still warm; and once they are dead cold and >exposed on the surface of the earth, they are just plain "frozen in" >as they are now and do not change any further. > >If one finds "snowflakes" in different stages of growth, I think it >is because they formed that way originally, at different locations >within a mass of cooling obsidian, and have just weathered out >preserving different stages of "snowflake" formation. > >[And if they were still growing--which I don't think they are--I >think the crystal growth would be totally imperceptible on the scale >of a human lifetime, for us to observe.] > >Anyone was to try a measureable experiment to test this? It may >take some considerable patience--best to start it as a young person, >I might think. > >[P.S., I finally remembered to change the subject title!] > >Pete the Skeptic > > >-----Original Message----- >From: kadok@infowest.com >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:55 AM >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy > > > >My favorite geology prof. used to call Snowflake obsidian "Obsidian with a >fatal disease". Because the snowflakes just keep growing larger and larger >--- and eventually (after MANY years) the snowflake part is all that's >left. I've seen some up in the desert in Utah that were getting close to >that point --. > >Margaret Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Jan 4 11:54:43 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Jan 4 11:54:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <8C8FE464FB2476A-4E8-A498@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bd01c7303a$2e0b2ff0$6501a8c0@okapi> I work with glass these days (hey, beside's Catspaw Minerals I've got http://www.fusedlight.com). We get what we call "devitrification" when we don't do our heating/cooling correctly. I do my fused process work at around 1400F to 1450F. When I cool the glass off and do it correctly I end up with a nice, glossy surface. However, if the glass sits around 1350F or so for a wee bit too long the surface gets hazy and you sometimes get a scummy pattern of micro SiO2 crystals. Now, if I've cooled OK to a gloss surface I could heat UP to 1200F or so and hold all day without seeing the crystals. At STP I'd have gloss until the cows come home. It's only in the 1350F - 1400F range that the crystals grow. Below that the glass has "set up" and the molucules are locked in place. About that the glass is too liquid to crystalize. Here's an interesting article on this: http://www.chm.colostate.edu/~glass/devit.html GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > pmodreski@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:36 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] > > Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! > > I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that > the snowflakes are still growing... From tim at orerockon.com Thu Jan 4 13:20:04 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jan 4 13:19:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes In-Reply-To: <200701041953.l04JrA0u023799@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20070104111638.037c21b0@orerockon.com> <200701041953.l04JrA0u023799@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070104131810.03d34470@orerockon.com> No, it takes tens to hundreds of years for the water to penetrate the obsidian and start to form the rind. This is water _inside_ the crystalline structure of the glass, not on the outside. At 11:53 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote: >Would soaking the obsidian artifact in water change the devitrification >timetable? If so, dating them would be impossible. > >Regards, > >Bob > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:26 PM >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] > > From what I have read, the devitrification is an ongoing process, >and one which can readily be used to date obsidian flows. The more >snowflakes, the older the flow, until, eventually, in a few million >years, what you have left is a perlite deposit. So they are >continually devitrifying, just on a geologic, not a human, time >scale. So, you can hold onto that obsidian, it will not devitrify for >a few million more years. This process (or a similar one? I don't >quite understand the chemistry here) produces "hydration rinds" on >obsidian artifacts as well, so by measuring the water content of the >outside of an artifact, a fairly precise date that it was chipped can >be obtained. See http://www.obsidianlab.com/info_oh.html > >At 10:35 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote: > > Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! > > > >I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that the > >snowflakes are still growing. I don't think so; I think the > >devitrification that formed them, happened after the obsidian had > >solidified but was still warm; and once they are dead cold and > >exposed on the surface of the earth, they are just plain "frozen in" > >as they are now and do not change any further. > > > >If one finds "snowflakes" in different stages of growth, I think it > >is because they formed that way originally, at different locations > >within a mass of cooling obsidian, and have just weathered out > >preserving different stages of "snowflake" formation. > > > >[And if they were still growing--which I don't think they are--I > >think the crystal growth would be totally imperceptible on the scale > >of a human lifetime, for us to observe.] > > > >Anyone was to try a measureable experiment to test this? It may > >take some considerable patience--best to start it as a young person, > >I might think. > > > >[P.S., I finally remembered to change the subject title!] > > > >Pete the Skeptic > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: kadok@infowest.com > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:55 AM > >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy > > > > > > > >My favorite geology prof. used to call Snowflake obsidian "Obsidian with a > >fatal disease". Because the snowflakes just keep growing larger and larger > >--- and eventually (after MANY years) the snowflake part is all that's > >left. I've seen some up in the desert in Utah that were getting close to > >that point --. > > > >Margaret Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From pjmodreski at att.net Thu Jan 4 13:34:32 2007 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Thu Jan 4 13:34:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes Message-ID: <010420072134.18018.459D72E7000C630600004662216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> I think it's time to try to "call in the experts" to shed some light on this one. I'm going to compose a message and post it to the listserve for Mineralog. Soc. Amer. members, and see what responses I can get from people who may have actually done research, or are familiar with it, on devitrification of obsidian and the origin of "snowflake obsidian". I just searched on GEOREF and and found one published paper about it, but it's (a) a very long treatise, (b) in German, and (c) not readily accessible, to me at least. The citation is below, for anyone who's interested. But I'll report back on what I might hear from people in the MSA. My own belief is that surface hydration of obsidian artifacts, formation of "snowflakes", and conversion of obsidian to perlite, are three completely different processes that take place in different environments, at different temperatures, and on different time scales. And for that matter, under slightly different conditions, obsidian will develop the round spherulites composed of sanidine and cristobalite, instead of "snowflakes". the German monograph: Petrographische und geochemische Untersuchungen an Schneeflockenobsidianen und verwandtem material aus den U.S.A., Island und der Osterinsel. (Petrographic and geochemical investigations on snowflake obsidian and related materials from the United States, Iceland and the Easter Island.) Andrea Hoelzle-Vuynovich, Heidelberger Geowissenschaftliche Abhandlungen, vol.56, 233 pp., 1992. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Thu Jan 4 13:43:33 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Jan 4 13:42:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes In-Reply-To: <010420072134.18018.459D72E7000C630600004662216124364607059 C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <010420072134.18018.459D72E7000C630600004662216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070104133924.03d54738@orerockon.com> Sounds right to me, Pete. What I have read is from Paul "Geode Kid" Colburn's CD & websites like the obsidian lab. Paul had the German paper translated for him. I bet he has an English copy if you are interested. At 01:34 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote: >I think it's time to try to "call in the experts" to shed some light >on this one. I'm going to compose a message and post it to the >listserve for Mineralog. Soc. Amer. members, and see what responses >I can get from people who may have actually done research, or are >familiar with it, on devitrification of obsidian and the origin of >"snowflake obsidian". I just searched on GEOREF and and found one >published paper about it, but it's (a) a very long treatise, (b) in >German, and (c) not readily accessible, to me at least. The >citation is below, for anyone who's interested. But I'll report >back on what I might hear from people in the MSA. > >My own belief is that surface hydration of obsidian artifacts, >formation of "snowflakes", and conversion of obsidian to perlite, >are three completely different processes that take place in >different environments, at different temperatures, and on different >time scales. And for that matter, under slightly different >conditions, obsidian will develop the round spherulites composed of >sanidine and cristobalite, instead of "snowflakes". > >the German monograph: >Petrographische und geochemische Untersuchungen an >Schneeflockenobsidianen und verwandtem material aus den U.S.A., >Island und der Osterinsel. (Petrographic and geochemical >investigations on snowflake obsidian and related materials from the >United States, Iceland and the Easter Island.) Andrea >Hoelzle-Vuynovich, Heidelberger Geowissenschaftliche Abhandlungen, >vol.56, 233 pp., 1992. > >Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From brenick at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 13:57:30 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Thu Jan 4 13:57:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97175ae90701041357n5a29f638sb638d95909593fdd@mail.gmail.com> Wouldn't mind if one hit our house! :o) On 1/4/07, J.R. Hodel wrote: > > Hi: > > Here's a link to a NYTimes story about a stone (or something like that) > falling from the sky - and hitting a house, damaging the bathroom. > > As if rocks could fall from the sky! > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/nyregion/04ball.html?_r=1&oref=slogin > > A good photo too. > > KoR, > JR > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Thu Jan 4 15:21:26 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:21:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house References: Message-ID: <004601c73057$0f0da930$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> This one made the local TV news in Philadelphia. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.R. Hodel" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house > Hi: > > Here's a link to a NYTimes story about a stone (or something like that) > falling from the sky - and hitting a house, damaging the bathroom. > > As if rocks could fall from the sky! > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/nyregion/04ball.html?_r=1&oref=slogin > > A good photo too. > > KoR, > JR > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From prgilmore at hotmail.com Thu Jan 4 15:29:23 2007 From: prgilmore at hotmail.com (Paul Gilmore) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:29:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house In-Reply-To: <004601c73057$0f0da930$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: Certainly doesn't have a fusion crust. Sounds like a hoax. Perhaps the bathroom was damaged by another act of nature. Paul Gilmore >From: >Reply-To: gene@fossilnut.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing >list for rock and gem collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:21:26 -0500 > >This one made the local TV news in Philadelphia. > >Gene Hartstein >Newark, DE >----- Original Message ----- From: "J.R. Hodel" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:52 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house > > >>Hi: >> >>Here's a link to a NYTimes story about a stone (or something like that) >>falling from the sky - and hitting a house, damaging the bathroom. >> >>As if rocks could fall from the sky! >> >>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/nyregion/04ball.html?_r=1&oref=slogin >> >>A good photo too. >> >>KoR, >>JR >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Communicate instantly! Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jan 4 15:56:15 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:56:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070104135423.0430a7c8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> The astronomer they mention (Gareth Williams) was at the Institute for Astronomy in Honolulu when I was a graduate student there in the 1970's...whatever that's worth. Bill At 06:52 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote: >Hi: > >Here's a link to a NYTimes story about a stone (or something like that) >falling from the sky - and hitting a house, damaging the bathroom. > >As if rocks could fall from the sky! > >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/nyregion/04ball.html?_r=1&oref=slogin > >A good photo too. > >KoR, >JR > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Thu Jan 4 16:28:13 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Thu Jan 4 16:24:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes References: <010420072134.18018.459D72E7000C630600004662216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20070104133924.03d54738@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <007801c73060$6368e180$a60ca118@feldsparflash> I would like to know more about the three phases Tim Fisher has described. I have in my own collection the obsidian apache tear surrounded by perlite, a specimen of snowflake obsidian and two specimens of the obsidian with round spherulites, consisting of sanidine, cristobolite and a third identified mineral honey brown crystals of fayalite in the olivine group. The spherulites are very interesting. Some are complete others broken, as they are fragile and they are round. The devitrification (crystallization) would seems to start from a center in the obsidian matrix rather than the crystals growing in a gas bubble. But there is a difference between the edges of the snowflake pattern of growth, which is irregular and the surface of the spherule which is smooth and quite round. Is it possible the spherulites grew in gas bubbles? I would like to hear how the devitification starts both for the snowflake and for the obsidian spherulites, and as Tim has indicated perhaps different temperatures, environments and processes. Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes > Sounds right to me, Pete. What I have read is from Paul "Geode Kid" > Colburn's CD & websites like the obsidian lab. Paul had the German > paper translated for him. I bet he has an English copy if you are interested. > > At 01:34 PM 1/4/2007, you wrote: > >I think it's time to try to "call in the experts" to shed some light > >on this one. I'm going to compose a message and post it to the > >listserve for Mineralog. Soc. Amer. members, and see what responses > >I can get from people who may have actually done research, or are > >familiar with it, on devitrification of obsidian and the origin of > >"snowflake obsidian". I just searched on GEOREF and and found one > >published paper about it, but it's (a) a very long treatise, (b) in > >German, and (c) not readily accessible, to me at least. The > >citation is below, for anyone who's interested. But I'll report > >back on what I might hear from people in the MSA. > > > >My own belief is that surface hydration of obsidian artifacts, > >formation of "snowflakes", and conversion of obsidian to perlite, > >are three completely different processes that take place in > >different environments, at different temperatures, and on different > >time scales. And for that matter, under slightly different > >conditions, obsidian will develop the round spherulites composed of > >sanidine and cristobalite, instead of "snowflakes". > > > >the German monograph: > >Petrographische und geochemische Untersuchungen an > >Schneeflockenobsidianen und verwandtem material aus den U.S.A., > >Island und der Osterinsel. (Petrographic and geochemical > >investigations on snowflake obsidian and related materials from the > >United States, Iceland and the Easter Island.) Andrea > >Hoelzle-Vuynovich, Heidelberger Geowissenschaftliche Abhandlungen, > >vol.56, 233 pp., 1992. > > > >Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Jan 4 16:57:57 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Jan 4 16:58:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What is a rare mineral References: <200701030203.l0322kWM002712@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <01de01c72fa2$48689790$6b01a8c0@rock3> <459C672D.5020802@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004d01c73064$8a63af00$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> For marketing and sales purposes, "rare" can mean anything that "isn't common." In geological publications discussing faunal lists at fossil sites or minerals at a specific locality, I see a general category that goes something like this: Abundant Common Uncommon Rare Not present With the exception of the last one, I have not seen these terms defined quantitatively. One person might define "abundant" as widespread so you can find an example everywhere you look at a site. "Common" might be one for every 10 abundant specimens. Uncommon you might find one for every 100 abundant specimens. Rare - you won't find one every time you make a collection from the site. Another person might have a completely different view! When someone says they have a rare fossil or mineral to sell or trade, they should explain WHY it is rare. The person wanting the specimen could then determine on their own is the rarity is real or perceived by the seller. If it is unique to a single locality where it occurs in large quantities, on a global scale it might be rare. If it becomes readily available because the volume is converted into mineral or fossil specimens instead of ore or road metal, then it loses it rarity from a collectors point of view. As someone has already pointed out, diamonds are not rare. A rare mineral might be widespread but undiscovered because of the cost of analyzing the sample. I suppose if it is on ebay and is listed as "rare" then you can be sure that it really isn't! I for one appreciate rare minerals or fossils more by becoming as familiar with the species and locality as possible. For instance, smithsonite is a common mineral. Try to find a specimen of smithsonite from the Illinois - Kentucky fluorite district on the commercial market. (I have made more available than anyone else, but I didn't see anything for sale with an on-line search.) There are so many degrees of "rareness" we could take this "thread" and run with it for years. If it is so rare that a collector will never be able to obtain a sample, its rarity becomes a curiosity and has no practical value! (At least that's how I feel about it.) Enough! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] What is a rare mineral > > > Wow, I don't know how that all got started, but it shouldn't be all that > difficult to define what rare is, and I am especially surprised that Tony > didn't have a better handle on it. The simplest definition of rarity is > the amount of confirmed material available. Now, we do need to put aside > the idea that there are plenty of rare species out there living as specks > on someone's specimen of a larger and more obvious mineral, but are not > and probably never will be identified. There are also plenty of specimens > that have been destroyed--the previous example of franklinite is a classic > case of a mineral that was common at one locality, in the many tons, but > most has been smelted to zinc. As someone also pointed out, we can add > qualifiers, such as "rare for the locality," "rare in euhedral crystals," > etc. But the rarest minerals are the ones where the entire type material > was consumed in the descriptive process, or else only a few specks or a > handful of confirmed specimens exist anywhere in the known world. As long > as someone has a good idea of how much of a certain material is extant, we > can get a pretty good handle on its rarity. Tony was right about one > thing: if he can't get it, it is probably very very rare indeed! > > And yes, there was a list compiled by one of the more notable European > collectors and was posted on his website, I just can't find it, if it's > even there any longer. > > Most species described in the past 10, maybe 20 years are dismal specks > that would have been dismissed under many circumstances. In the case of > localities like Mont Saint Hilaire or Franklin/Sterling Hill, the > discovery of dozens of new species is only due to the dedication of a > small pool of intelligent collectors and a few dedicated mineralogists; > otherwise, we would be short quite a few species in this world! The > Russians have also taken to mineral description with a wild fervor. > However, it is also true that some new species are simply redescriptions > of existing species with variations in chemistry or structure. The > amphiboles are a good example of this last case. > > Don From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Thu Jan 4 20:00:29 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Jan 4 19:58:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] An Old Friend Message-ID: <459DCD5D.1060702@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, By clicking the link below, you'll be taken to my newest paper, An Old Friend. I hope you enjoy this little adventure and that the New Year is treating you and yours well. All the very best everyone, take care, John http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishDec2006.html From rockhounds at adelphia.net Thu Jan 4 20:43:14 2007 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (Kelly Hanson) Date: Thu Jan 4 20:39:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] davis creek obsidian question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c73084$070d0aa0$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> I sent him what he needed. Kelly Hanson -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of dcoyote2111@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:45 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] davis creek obsidian question My name is Don Sutton I'm from Las Vegas Nevada, I'm about ready to retire out of the Las Vegas police dept soon and have picked up a last minute retirement hobby of flintknapping. I plan on a summer trip to the glass buttes in Oregon to attend a seminar and plan on swinging by Davis creek on my way home to get some more rock to bring back to Vegas to work on, problem is,,I'm not really familiar with northern calif or Davis creek ,was hoping someone could help me out or send me to a person or place that might be able to ,? rules,maps,directions ,permits , site locations and how to dig for it (never collected a rock before ),,, id be willing to pay for this information if need be, I just don't want to drive all that way to wonder around ,,,, any help you could offer would be sincerely appreciated,,,,,,,thank you very much for your time, dcoyote2111@aol.com Don Sutton Las Vegas Nv 702-655-6850 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 06:41:57 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jan 5 06:41:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070105144157.3399.qmail@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just read about parts of a Russian satellite falling in Wyoming in that same time frame. I wonder if there's a connection. Jim Daly "J.R. Hodel" wrote: Hi: Here's a link to a NYTimes story about a stone (or something like that) falling from the sky - and hitting a house, damaging the bathroom. As if rocks could fall from the sky! http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/04/nyregion/04ball.html?_r=1&oref=slogin A good photo too. KoR, JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 06:57:26 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jan 5 06:57:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <378541.5814.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: some serpentine from Montville, NJ Pete, Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings back memories. Jim Daly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Jan 5 07:03:52 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:04:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house Message-ID: Those were some pretty good closeup pictures posted on the news story web pages, of that meteorite(?) that fell in NJ. It's appearance looks a little odd for a real meteorite--doesn't seem to have quite the expected (rounded, blackend?) surface texture, and in some of the pictures it seems to have a yellowish/bronzy colored cast, if that's accurate, which makes one thing that maybe it is some kind of metal from a satellite(?) rather than a meteorite. But, someone ought to be able to make some simple tests soon, to confirm what it is. I haven't seen any comment as to whether it's magnetic or not. I'm sure we'll hear something eventually. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Jan 5 07:11:04 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:11:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/2007 7:58:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, sauktown1@yahoo.com writes: Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: some serpentine from Montville, NJ Pete, Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings back memories. Jim Daly Yes, Jim, that's the place. Not all of the serpentine from there is quite the "precious serpentine" translucent type; and yes, it's a small group of old cuts, back in the woods. I started going there when I lived in NJ, back in the late 1960s. I revisited it once subsequently, around 1990; then, it was harder to find and REALLY overgrown, and much harder to find any material. I'm sure that local collectors know what the status is any more, as to whether it's still accessible. Another rock I found in my hoard at my parents' home was a chunk of "Dover Sunstone", though not the best quality; a granitic rock composed of coarse-grained albite feldspar with a reddish-golden sheen due to microscopic hematite inclusions. "In the old days" you used to be able to collect pieces of this on the dumps of the Scrub Oaks iron mine, near Dover NJ; I suspect that area is not accessible any more (probably the site of a Wal-Mart now?). Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SHMM at sussexonline.com Fri Jan 5 07:24:33 2007 From: SHMM at sussexonline.com (Earl Verbeek) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:24:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c730dd$9af128b0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: some serpentine from Montville, NJ Pete, Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings back memories. Jim Daly ------------------------------ Yes, Jim, that's the place. Not all of the serpentine from there is quite the "precious serpentine" translucent type; and yes, it's a small group of old cuts, back in the woods. I started going there when I lived in NJ, back in the late 1960s. I revisited it once subsequently, around 1990; then, it was harder to find and REALLY overgrown, and much harder to find any material. I'm sure that local collectors know what the status is any more, as to whether it's still accessible. Another rock I found in my hoard at my parents' home was a chunk of "Dover Sunstone", though not the best quality; a granitic rock composed of coarse-grained albite feldspar with a reddish-golden sheen due to microscopic hematite inclusions. "In the old days" you used to be able to collect pieces of this on the dumps of the Scrub Oaks iron mine, near Dover NJ; I suspect that area is not accessible any more (probably the site of a Wal-Mart now?). Pete --------------------- Hi Pete and Jim, I attempted to reply to this thread as soon as Jim's post came in, but we're working from a different e-mail address now, so it bounced. Here it is from a different address, so I hope it gets through (and apologies to all if you get this twice, somehow): Jim - Yes, that's it. There are several trenches back in the woods there, not far from the shores of Lake Valhalla, in Morris County. The serpentine is bright greenish-yellow, quite attractive and in large masses, and was a staple item of mineral cabinets in decades well past. The locality is still producing. By the way, the serpentine is a retrograde metamorphic product of a diopside-bearing magnesian marble. The diopside from that locality, where pure (white in daylight), fluoresces bright pale blue to bluish white, and the accompanying phlogopite fluoresces yellow. Interesting locality. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@sussexonline.com From rpr at heidelberg.edu Fri Jan 5 07:40:06 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Fri Jan 5 07:40:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falling rock hits a house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194C32F3-C19A-45A6-8951-898E84759604@heidelberg.edu> I agree that it looks a bit strange for a meteorite and that it should not be hard to figure out what it's made of. Judging from what was in our paper this morning, these guys have just not found the right kind of expert yet.... Pete Richards On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > Those were some pretty good closeup pictures posted on the news > story web > pages, of that meteorite(?) that fell in NJ. It's appearance looks > a little > odd for a real meteorite--doesn't seem to have quite the expected > (rounded, > blackend?) surface texture, and in some of the pictures it seems > to have a > yellowish/bronzy colored cast, if that's accurate, which makes one > thing that > maybe it is some kind of metal from a satellite(?) rather than a > meteorite. But, > someone ought to be able to make some simple tests soon, to > confirm what it > is. I haven't seen any comment as to whether it's magnetic or > not. I'm sure > we'll hear something eventually. > > Pete > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jan 5 08:16:28 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jan 5 08:16:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c730e4$db3ea120$6501a8c0@okapi> Gee, I haven't thought about Montville for ages. I first collected their with my Dad back in '64 or so. I've still got a little drawer filled with the "precious" flavor. The more massive serpentine is quite attractive in it's own right. The last time I was there in 2002 (I think) there wasn't much to be found. I did find, though, some nice diopside. Good SW fl. Definitely a place to visit in the non-leaf season. The undergrowth is nasty...and harbors all sorts of biting & stinging bugs. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Pmodreski@aol.com > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:11 AM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] > > Yes, Jim, that's the place. .... From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Jan 5 07:14:11 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Jan 5 09:56:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a request for rockhounding info in LA, MI, AL In-Reply-To: <378541.5814.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c730dc$27b9e0e0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: some serpentine from Montville, NJ Pete, Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings back memories. Jim Daly Jim - Yes, that's it. There are several trenches back in the woods there, not far from the shores of Lake Valhalla, in Morris County. The serpentine is bright greenish-yellow, quite attractive and in large masses, and was a staple item of mineral cabinets in decades well past. The locality is still producing. By the way, the serpentine is a retrograde metamorphic product of a diopside-bearing magnesian marble. The diopside from that locality, where pure (white in daylight), fluoresces bright pale blue to bluish white, and the accompanying phlogopite fluoresces yellow. Interesting locality. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@sussexonline.com From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jan 5 10:16:42 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:18:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] An Old Friend References: <459DCD5D.1060702@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <011f01c730f5$ae14ada0$0300a8c0@Notebook> John, Thanks again for taking us along. It was nice to get out of the house for a bit on this snowy day (we're expecting almost 30" in the next few days!). John Siebel Santa, ID From SHMM at sussexonline.com Fri Jan 5 11:16:27 2007 From: SHMM at sussexonline.com (Earl Verbeek) Date: Fri Jan 5 11:16:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel Channel show In-Reply-To: <45737619.239F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000a01c730fe$00682480$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> An upcoming episode of the Travel Channel series "America's Cash and Treasures" will feature a search for fluorescent minerals at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum. The show will air (all times PDT and EDT): Tuesday, January 9, 10 p.m. Wednesday, January 10, 1 a.m. Saturday, January 13, 4 p.m. Please check the show's website for updated listings -- it's possible they'll change (they already did once), but it's now getting so late to air time that the posted times are probably OK. Each show features two places, and I don't know if we'll be the first or second half. The web site for this show is: http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/cash-treasures/cash-treasures.html Clicking on About the Show will lead to you a page where you can access the show times. Basically the show opens with the host, Becky Worley, looking at the extensive collection of fluorescent minerals of Glenn Waychunas, a fellow doubtless familiar to some of you. Then Becky comes to Sterling Hill, drills a few holes in the hillside, pounds wedges with a sledgehammer, sends rock tumbling to the pit floor, and is guided through the underground mine and on collecting trips by Bob Hauck and me. I don't know any more than that -- I haven't seen the show and don't have a script, but that's about what you'll see. So, for those of you wondering what the Sterling Hill mine looks like, or what it's like to collect here, or what you can find on any given day, now's your chance. Believe me, I am looking forward to this with considerable trepidation. I am much more comfortable behind a camera than in front of it, and hope that most of the footage with me in it is still lying on the cutting-room floor. It was also HOT during the three days the crew was here to film, so I fear we will all look like the soggy people we were. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Fri Jan 5 12:35:40 2007 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:35:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <8C8FE464FB2476A-4E8-A498@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c73109$10b51cc0$0200a8c0@kadok> You could be right, Pete. This was 15-20 years ago, and lots of theories have changed since then. And no, I have not tried a measurable experiment, I just took his (Dr. Richard Kennedy) word for it (Like you do to any respected Prof.)! <;-}} His theory was that the snowflakes were caused by small inclusions of water at the time of formation. And I readily admit that you know a lot more about this that I every will. And your theory is equally possible and interesting. Margaret > Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! >I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that the snowflakes >are still growing. I don't think so; I think the devitrification that >formed them, happened after the obsidian had solidified but was still warm; >and once they are dead cold and exposed on the surface of the earth, they >are just plain "frozen in" as they are now and do not change any further. >If one finds "snowflakes" in different stages of growth, I think it is >because they formed that way originally, at different locations within a >mass of cooling obsidian, and have just weathered out preserving different >stages of "snowflake" formation. [And if they were still growing--which I don't think they are--I think the crystal growth would be totally imperceptible on the scale of a human lifetime, for us to observe.] Anyone was to try a measureable experiment to test this? It may take some considerable patience--best to start it as a young person, I might think. [P.S., I finally remembered to change the subject title!] Pete the Skeptic -----Original Message----- From: kadok@infowest.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy My favorite geology prof. used to call Snowflake obsidian "Obsidian with a fatal disease". Because the snowflakes just keep growing larger and larger --- and eventually (after MANY years) the snowflake part is all that's left. I've seen some up in the desert in Utah that were getting close to that point --. Margaret >Now just one more thought there, Glenn (y'all), correct that a little bit >again, the snowflakes aren't due to hydration, they are due to micro scale >crystal growth. The formation of the perlite is due to hydration. The >snowflakes aren't perlite, those are two different things. Perlite Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kadok at infowest.com Fri Jan 5 12:44:24 2007 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:44:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes In-Reply-To: <010420072134.18018.459D72E7000C630600004662216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <002d01c7310a$4906b9c0$0200a8c0@kadok> Great idea, Pete! Margaret >I think it's time to try to "call in the experts" to shed some light on >this one. I'm going to compose a message and post it to the listserve for >Mineralog. Soc. Amer. members, and see what responses I can get from people >who may have actually done research, or are familiar with it, on >devitrification of obsidian and the origin of "snowflake obsidian". Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jan 5 12:51:33 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jan 5 12:50:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <002b01c73109$10b51cc0$0200a8c0@kadok> References: <002b01c73109$10b51cc0$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <459EBA55.5080609@verizon.net> Margaret Malm wrote: > You could be right, Pete. This was 15-20 years ago, and lots of theories > have changed since then. And no, I have not tried a measurable experiment, > I just took his (Dr. Richard Kennedy) word for it (Like you do to any > respected Prof.)! <;-}} > His theory was that the snowflakes were caused by small inclusions of water > at the time of formation. I have studied these phenomena in class but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so I won't offer any more info than has been stated. However, my petrology professor lives and breathes igneous petrology as his specialty, so I'll ask him when I see him. Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Jan 5 16:26:14 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:26:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite Message-ID: Following up... A news story today says that several faculty members from Rutgers University examined the object that fell Wednesday in NJ, and confirm that it's an iron meteorite: _http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=070105&cat=science&st=scienced 8mfe37g0&src=ap_ (http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=070105&cat=science&st=scienced8mfe37g0&src=ap) FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) - A mysterious rocklike object that crashed through the roof of a home and landed in the bathroom was a meteorite, experts said Friday. For now, scientists are calling the dense metallic object "Freehold Township" after the place where it fell. It's about the size of a golf ball but weighs about 13 ounces, as much of a can of soup. Magnets held near it are attracted to it. Rutgers University geologists Jeremy Delaney, Gail Ashley and Claire Condie and Peter Elliott, an independent metallurgist who studied the object, determined it was an iron meteorite because of its density, magnetic properties, markings and coloration. ... The picture of the meteorite shown with this news story still looks strangely yellowish-metallic, but perhaps that's just an artifact of the lighting conditions. Since it was geologists from Rugters who examined it, there clearly can't be any mistake about it's identity. Pete Modreski (Denver, CO; USGS; and Rugers College, '68) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 5 17:43:26 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 5 17:32:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] An Old Friend References: <459DCD5D.1060702@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <459EFC32.5573@Tomaszewski.net> John, Thank you again for letting us come along on your collecting trip. It was a real pleasure. Kreigh John and Gloria Cornish wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > By clicking the link below, you'll be taken to my newest paper, An Old > Friend. I hope you enjoy this little adventure and that the New Year is > treating you and yours well. All the very best everyone, take care, > > John > > http://mcrocks.com/ftr06-2/CornishDec2006.html > From hammerron at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 18:51:37 2007 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:51:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine-RI Bowenite Message-ID: <20070106025137.48604.qmail@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This kind of reminds me of bowenite. I believe bowenite is a yellow-green variety of serpentine and rather atractive too -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: "Pmodreski@aol.com" To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] In a message dated 1/5/2007 7:58:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, sauktown1@yahoo.com writes: Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: some serpentine from Montville, NJ Pete, Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings back memories. Jim Daly Yes, Jim, that's the place. Not all of the serpentine from there is quite the "precious serpentine" translucent type; and yes, it's a small group of old cuts, back in the woods. I started going there when I lived in NJ, back in the late 1960s. I revisited it once subsequently, around 1990; then, it was harder to find and REALLY overgrown, and much harder to find any material. I'm sure that local collectors know what the status is any more, as to whether it's still accessible. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 5 20:13:50 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 5 20:02:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine-RI Bowenite References: <20070106025137.48604.qmail@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459F1F60.7924@Tomaszewski.net> Bowenite was not accepted by the IMA, and is 'officially' considered to be a variety of Antigorite, a member of the Serpentine Group. Anyone have a specimen they might be interested in trading? If so, please contact me OFF-LIST so we can discuss it. Kreigh The Hammer wrote: > > This kind of reminds me of bowenite. I believe bowenite is a yellow-green variety of serpentine and rather atractive too > > -Ron > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Pmodreski@aol.com" > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] > > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 7:58:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, > sauktown1@yahoo.com writes: > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > some serpentine from Montville, NJ > Pete, > Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent > yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the > woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings > back memories. > Jim Daly > > Yes, Jim, that's the place. Not all of the serpentine from there is quite > the "precious serpentine" translucent type; and yes, it's a small group of old > cuts, back in the woods. I started going there when I lived in NJ, back in > the late 1960s. I revisited it once subsequently, around 1990; then, it was > harder to find and REALLY overgrown, and much harder to find any material. > I'm sure that local collectors know what the status is any more, as to whether > it's still accessible. From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 5 20:35:15 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 5 20:24:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH Message-ID: <459F2461.1D9F@Tomaszewski.net> My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or off List? Thanks! Kreigh From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 6 06:41:17 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jan 6 06:41:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH In-Reply-To: <459F2461.1D9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20070106144117.2401.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When speaking of NH, the first place that comes to mind is the Palermo #1 Mine in N. Groton. I can put you in touch with someone very familiar with the locality. There are also localities in Maine, not that far away. (Those New England ststes are small, compared to MI or IN). Jim Daly Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or off List? Thanks! Kreigh -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Sat Jan 6 07:44:52 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Sat Jan 6 07:42:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] An Old Friend In-Reply-To: <011f01c730f5$ae14ada0$0300a8c0@Notebook> References: <459DCD5D.1060702@tenforward.com> <011f01c730f5$ae14ada0$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <459FC3F4.1070800@tenforward.com> Hi John and Kreigh, Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate it. Good luck with the snow John and Kreigh, good luck with your travel plans to NH. If you do visit the Palermo, say hi to Bob for me! All the very best, John John Siebel wrote: > John, > > Thanks again for taking us along. It was nice to get out of the house > for a bit on this snowy day (we're expecting almost 30" in the next > few days!). > > John Siebel > Santa, ID > From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Jan 6 07:58:21 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 6 07:58:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH Message-ID: <408.70e11085.32d1211d@aol.com> Hi Kreigh, I'm sure you'll be contacted by folks on the list who are from NH and know much more specifics about the localities than I do, but I wanted to share a few comments. Probably the best known and visited collecting areas are the pegmatites in the granite at Moat Mountain, near Conway. I believe the area is controlled by the Forest Service (White Mountain Nat. Forest), and you just have to get a permit (no charge) for collecting from the Forest Service office in or near Conway. Another longtime and well known collecting area is the Parker Mountain pegmatite, near Center Strafford, which is extremely close (less than 10 miles?) from Barrington, where you're intending to go (don't know why you folks have chosen Barrington, but I assume there's a particularly well recommended campground there that you've heard of). The pegmatite mine is an old overgrown pit in the woods, but is easily accessible. I'm not sure if permission is required, but if no one else offers, I can put you in touch with a collector friend from NH who I'm sure would be very happy to give you specifics and guide you to the site if you wanted. Parker Mountain is most known for red-fluorescent eucryptite, but I understand this is getting to be very hard to find any more. I've only ever been to each of the above localities "once" in my life, so I don't exactly qualify as an expert or a good guide. I've been to the Palermo peg. too, and that is very worth a visit if you get a contact and get permission. Notes in passing, the Ruggles mine, Grafton (a ways further to the west) is a very famous, large pegmatite quarry, but it is a bit of a "tourist trap" now (more than a bit) and is probably not worth a visit for a serious collector unless you've never been in a mine or quarry before; there's a lot of massive quartz, feldspar, mica, etc., but not nearly worth the rather high (neighborhood of $15 I think?) entrance fee for collecting. However, on a recent visit to NH, I did just drive up to the mine, for old time's sake, and it is interesting to visit their gift shop (no charge--I had to buy some postcards!), peek into the entrance from outside the admission gate, and see the view from the hilltop quarry parking lot and the neat granite & pegmatite boulders lying around the parking area. Another very famous mineral site in NH is the Westmoreland mine, famous for large cleavages (usually you just see cleavages, not perfect crystals) of beautiful deep emerald-green fluorite. I've never been to the mine and I believe it is privately owned and accessible only with permission, and I presume that the owners keep and sell, such fluorite as they still excavate. There are lots of nice scenic areas in NH that don't necessarily involve collecting sites, and I'll be happy to write again and share some favorite areas with you, though I'm sure you can find your own too. If it happens that you are in NH at the same time as I made my usually-annual summer visit there to visit my family, I'd love to meet you and maybe go collecting together, though I suspect our visits won't likely coincide. I'd guess that you'll probably make your specific summer plans well before I do. I haven't usually been going back there until the last couple weeks of summer--the weeks before Labor Day. Best wishes, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 6 08:05:21 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Jan 6 08:05:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH References: <459F2461.1D9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000801c731ac$781386b0$149f254b@LarryRush> Kreigh: Sorry, that is "Morrill". (Does anyone on the list have a copy of Phillip Morrill's guide to NH localities they could lend Kreigh?) You might also want to check to see if the vesuvianite location in Sanford, Maine, nearby, is still open. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH > My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go > camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). > > It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in > where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. > > I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does > anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or > off List? > > Thanks! > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From atsdr at msn.com Sat Jan 6 08:40:03 2007 From: atsdr at msn.com (TERRY ADAMS) Date: Sat Jan 6 08:40:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral from Stewart Mine Message-ID: My name is Terry Adams. When I was in high school in the late 1950s I collected from the mine dump of the Stewart Mine outside Pala, Sandiego Co., CA. The mineral is a pinkish color with a greasy/ waxy luster. It has a hardness of less than 2, a white streak and appears to be non-crystalline. Any suggestions as to what it might be? Thanks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Jan 6 09:12:08 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Jan 6 09:12:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral from Stewart Mine References: Message-ID: <002a01c731b5$cc2ecfd0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Sounds a lot like the pink monmorillonite from the Elizabeth R mine. See http://www.mindat.org/photo-36728.html or http://www.mindat.org/photo-36727.html. It has a greasy/waxy luster and is not crystalline. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY ADAMS" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral from Stewart Mine My name is Terry Adams. When I was in high school in the late 1950s I collected from the mine dump of the Stewart Mine outside Pala, Sandiego Co., CA. The mineral is a pinkish color with a greasy/ waxy luster. It has a hardness of less than 2, a white streak and appears to be non-crystalline. Any suggestions as to what it might be? Thanks --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sat Jan 6 11:06:45 2007 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat Jan 6 11:07:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] References: <8C8FE464FB2476A-4E8-A498@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <459FF345.AFBDAB27@gmx.de> Hello Pete, think about glass as not stable for eternity, also at ambient temperatures. In Cologne you can see glass from Roman times that is not transparent any more. Guides in the museum tell visitors that the reason is crystallization. This should happen with obsidian (= glass), too. Sure it will take longer than we are allowed to watch. Regards, J?rgen pmodreski@aol.com schrieb: > Now, you bring up a really good and interesting question, Margaret! > > I personally think it is an "urban myth" (rural myth?) that the snowflakes are still growing. I don't think so; I think the devitrification that formed them, happened after the obsidian had solidified but was still warm; and once they are dead cold and exposed on the surface of the earth, they are just plain "frozen in" as they are now and do not change any further. > > If one finds "snowflakes" in different stages of growth, I think it is because they formed that way originally, at different locations within a mass of cooling obsidian, and have just weathered out preserving different stages of "snowflake" formation. > > [And if they were still growing--which I don't think they are--I think the crystal growth would be totally imperceptible on the scale of a human lifetime, for us to observe.] > > Anyone was to try a measureable experiment to test this? It may take some considerable patience--best to start it as a young person, I might think. > > [P.S., I finally remembered to change the subject title!] > > Pete the Skeptic > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sat Jan 6 10:34:46 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sat Jan 6 11:14:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine-RI Bowenite References: <20070106025137.48604.qmail@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c731c6$f0324360$9d4fd0c4@privatehome> We used to find bowenite at an asbestos mine, some 20 miles East of Carolina (now Mpumalanga, prevuiously - when we collecting there - Transvaal)-. Thne name of the mine was the Congo Vaal Mine, but is now closed down and fenced off, due to the world-wide problem of asbestos fibres. It was a bit harder than the serpentine also found there, and I still have a cabochon in my collection, which I must have polished before 1973 (as that is the year my back "caved in" and I could no longer stand at my lapidary machines for hours on end) (Seating was impractical) We also used to call it "royal serpentine", as it was slightly translucent dull, dark green. I no longer have any rough material, as I donated it all to our local Pretoria Gem and Mineral Club some years ago, and now our next Club cabochon competition is for three free form cabs from serpentine or "bowenite"). (Unfortunately none left in the Club cupboard at this point in time) Horst ---- Original Message ----- From: "The Hammer" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:51 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine-RI Bowenite This kind of reminds me of bowenite. I believe bowenite is a yellow-green variety of serpentine and rather atractive too -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: "Pmodreski@aol.com" To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NJ serpentine [rockhounding info in...] In a message dated 1/5/2007 7:58:07 AM Mountain Standard Time, sauktown1@yahoo.com writes: Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: some serpentine from Montville, NJ Pete, Would that be the "precious serpentine" or "retinalite" (a translucent yellow variety)? If so, I collected there in about 1950- about a mile back in the woods, as I recall, and just a small pit, mostly overgrown. Really brings back memories. Jim Daly Yes, Jim, that's the place. Not all of the serpentine from there is quite the "precious serpentine" translucent type; and yes, it's a small group of old cuts, back in the woods. I started going there when I lived in NJ, back in the late 1960s. I revisited it once subsequently, around 1990; then, it was harder to find and REALLY overgrown, and much harder to find any material. I'm sure that local collectors know what the status is any more, as to whether it's still accessible. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sat Jan 6 10:58:33 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sat Jan 6 11:14:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals References: <200701010201.l0121Yba027261@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <010201c72ecf$0dbbd4f0$6b01a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <000201c731c6$f146e7b0$9d4fd0c4@privatehome> I have now decided to also add my two cents to this discussion. Many years ago, I read an article that there were only FOUR specimens of painite in existence. Now the collectors that used to give me the most pain in the neck, were species mineral collectors residing in Italy. They used to send out "WANT LISTS", taken directly from Fleischer's GLOSSARY, (excluding the ones they already had). So "painite" would appear on each such list, but with no hope in Hades of ever obtaining such a specimen. That's one reason why I am biased against such "species collectors" who put minerals such as "painite" on their "Wants List.". Surely if they were knowledgable species collectors, they would be aware of such rare species-(and not show their ignorance by including these on their lists?) Another "gripe" I have from these so-called species collectors is the following:-as soon as they become aware of a newly described mineral from South Africa, I receive quite a few requests to obtain a specimen for their collection. They do not realise it is probably easier to obtain such a specimen much easier from a reputable dealer in the States or Europe as that is where these specimens normally "surface" for the first time. Also, we in South Africa cannot supply you with "diamonds on matrix", as by law we (the normal mineral collector) are not allowed to buy and sell uncut diamonds (or native gold) in South Africa. Horst --- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals >I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might be >a > species that no one is offering to sell on the net. > Rock > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Jan 5 11:09:59 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Sat Jan 6 11:25:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectroscopy In-Reply-To: <010420070407.22632.459C7D6B000C2D9F00005868216028065107059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <000001c730fd$18a0d0c0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> An upcoming episode of the Travel Channel series "America's Cash and Treasures" will feature a search for fluorescent minerals at the Sterling Hill Mining Museum. The show will air (all times PDT and EDT): Tuesday, January 9, 10 p.m. Wednesday, January 10, 1 a.m. Saturday, January 13, 4 p.m. Please check the show's website for updated listings -- it's possible they'll change (they already did once), but it's now getting so late to air time that the posted times are probably OK. Each show features two places, and I don't know if we'll be the first or second half. The web site for this show is: http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/cash-treasures/cash-treasures.html Clicking on About the Show will lead to you a page where you can access the show times. Basically the show opens with the host, Becky Worley, looking at the extensive collection of fluorescent minerals of Glenn Waychunas, a fellow doubtless familiar to some of you. Then Becky comes to Sterling Hill, drills a few holes in the hillside, pounds wedges with a sledgehammer, sends rock tumbling to the pit floor, and is guided through the underground mine and on collecting trips by Bob Hauck and me. I don't know any more than that -- I haven't seen the show and don't have a script, but that's about what you'll see. So, for those of you wondering what the Sterling Hill mine looks like, or what it's like to collect here, or what you can find on any given day, now's your chance. Believe me, I am looking forward to this with considerable trepidation. I am much more comfortable behind a camera than in front of it, and hope that most of the footage with me in it is still lying on the cutting-room floor. It was also HOT during the three days the crew was here to film, so I fear we will all look like the soggy people we were. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 6 11:30:07 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jan 6 11:30:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <370781.36829.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy New Year! It's time for the first update of the new year on www.sauktown.com This month's additions are a wide selection of uncommon species from around the world. I only have a few of each, so act quickly if you want any of them. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 13:03:13 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sat Jan 6 13:03:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/5/07, Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > Following up... > > A news story today says that several faculty members from Rutgers University > examined the object that fell Wednesday in NJ, and confirm that it's an iron > meteorite: > It's seems like high odds that a meteorite traveling the right direction at the right speed would enter the atmosphere without over heating and burning. However, high odds indicate it is improbable, not impossible. In the first news story they reported that 20 - 50 rocks fall into the Earth's atmosphere every day. If those are not meteorites and not space debris reentering the atmosphere, what are they? Something rarer than painite, no doubt. Grant From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 6 15:38:06 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 6 15:24:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH References: <459F2461.1D9F@Tomaszewski.net> <000801c731ac$781386b0$149f254b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <45A02FB9.1996@Tomaszewski.net> Larry, I've got a copy of Morril's Guide. I was hoping for suggestions of sites that are still available since I understand many that are listed have been developed and are gone. Kreigh Lawrence Rush wrote: > > Kreigh: Sorry, that is "Morrill". (Does anyone on the list have a copy of > Phillip Morrill's guide to NH localities they could lend Kreigh?) > > You might also want to check to see if the vesuvianite location in Sanford, > Maine, nearby, is still open. > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:35 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH > > > My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go > > camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). > > > > It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in > > where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. > > > > I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does > > anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or > > off List? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 6 15:52:36 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 6 15:39:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral from Stewart Mine References: Message-ID: <45A0331D.7AB@Tomaszewski.net> TERRY ADAMS wrote: > > My name is Terry Adams. When I was in high school in the late 1950s I collected from the mine dump of the Stewart Mine outside Pala, Sandiego Co., CA. The mineral is a pinkish color with a greasy/ waxy luster. It has a hardness of less than 2, a white streak and appears to be non-crystalline. Any suggestions as to what it might be? > > Thanks Terry, If you go to MinDat http://www.mindat.org/loc-3562.html you will find a list of 45 varieties of 32 accepted minerals known from the mine. Checking out each of the minerals on the list will probably identify your unknown. Kreigh From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 6 15:41:50 2007 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Sat Jan 6 15:41:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90409.33929.qm@web51013.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Grant, The gist of the skepticism elsewhere on the net is that this may be a meteorite-- but not a freshly fallen meteorite. Some have cautioned that this doesn't have the hallmarks of a freshly fallen iron --but favors a wire-brushed specimen of a cheap ruster which fell hundreds of years ago. (e.g. Campo or Nantan). It would not be the first time a stunt was attempted. An astronomy grad student torched a hole in the dome of a telescope building and left some irons which later were chemically matched to Canyon Diablo aka Meteor Crater. Also in the Netherlands a few years ago a piece of slag came through the roof of a warehouse with no proved explanation of how it arrived. With meteorite myths Hollywood established in the public psyche , very little falls inside the limits of the easy to explain or outside the relm of the possible. Someone recently said and wisely so, he never puts any validity in a developing science story. One wonders if the same scientists that identified this as a meteorite are the same ones that said so based on the recent meteor shower. Seems each time a meteor shower is mentioned in the news, someone finds a "meteorite" from that shower. Only they never pan out and no meteorite has ever been associated with a meteor shower as all but one are associated with comets. Elton PS: For reasons not worth going into here, any meteorite from a the debris stream of a cometary meteor shower is going to leave a heck of a hole. From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 6 18:35:08 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 6 18:35:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH References: <408.70e11085.32d1211d@aol.com> Message-ID: <45A05C56.756C@Tomaszewski.net> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > from Barrington, where you're intending to go (don't know why you folks have > chosen Barrington, but I assume there's a particularly well recommended > campground there that you've heard of). The pegmatite mine is an old overgrown pit Pete, My sister lives in Barrington and is hosting this family reunion camping trip. She is picking a location somewhere around where she lives. We all grew up tent camping and only require a place we can drive to (that has firewood). If I can identify some still available locations for rockhounding now, I can influence her choice to put our camping spot closer to the minerals. And since my brother's youngest is also a rockhound, I think it will work. Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Jan 6 18:44:02 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Jan 6 18:44:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) References: <90409.33929.qm@web51013.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003201c73205$b1713480$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> If you want to "collect" some space debris visually, look up Comet McNaught on the net. (Check out Sky & Telescope or comet news services.) It is currently low in the western sky at sunset and is the brightest comet in several years. According to a friend who saw it tonight, it is bright and diffuse in binoculars. I have not had the chance to look for it. Maybe tomorrow night... Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr EMan" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite > Hello Grant, > > The gist of the skepticism elsewhere on the net is > that this may be a meteorite-- but not a freshly > fallen meteorite. Some have cautioned that this > doesn't have the hallmarks of a freshly fallen iron > --but favors a wire-brushed specimen of a cheap ruster > which fell hundreds of years ago. (e.g. Campo or > Nantan). > > It would not be the first time a stunt was attempted. > An astronomy grad student torched a hole in the dome > of a telescope building and left some irons which > later were chemically matched to Canyon Diablo aka > Meteor Crater. Also in the Netherlands a few years > ago a piece of slag came through the roof of a > warehouse with no proved explanation of how it > arrived. > > With meteorite myths Hollywood established in the > public psyche , very little falls inside the limits of > the easy to explain or outside the relm of the > possible. > > Someone recently said and wisely so, he never puts any > validity in a developing science story. One wonders > if the same scientists that identified this as a > meteorite are the same ones that said so based on the > recent meteor shower. Seems each time a meteor shower > is mentioned in the news, someone finds a "meteorite" > from that shower. Only they never pan out and no > meteorite has ever been associated with a meteor > shower as all but one are associated with comets. > > Elton > > PS: For reasons not worth going into here, any > meteorite from a the debris stream of a cometary > meteor shower is going to leave a heck of a hole. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pjmodreski at att.net Sat Jan 6 22:30:15 2007 From: pjmodreski at att.net (pjmodreski@att.net) Date: Sat Jan 6 22:30:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals Message-ID: <010720070630.23548.45A093770004474F00005BFC216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Hi Horst, A curious coincidence relating to something in your email. I read it this morning, OK, all you say makes sense, and I noted your reference to "painite", which I'd never particularly heard of before (nothing surprising about that). So, just this afternoon, I was visiting mineral dealer Leonard Himes here in Monument, Colorado, looking at a cabinet of thumbnail and miniature size specimens he had for sale, and what do I see there, but a nice thumbnail-size painite specimen, from Burma. This particular specimen was of brown parallel prisms, quite a bit like what is pictured in Mindat, and I would say the specimen was about 1/2 inch long, composed pretty much of solid painite. So, I guess it's not quite "unobtainable", after all. [I don't recall what the price was; several hundred dollars, I believe.] Pete -------------- Original message from "Horst Windisch" : -------------- > I have now decided to also add my two cents to this discussion. Many years > ago, I read an article that there were only FOUR specimens of painite in > existence. > > Now the collectors that used to give me the most pain in the neck, were > species mineral collectors residing in Italy. They used to send out "WANT > LISTS", taken directly from Fleischer's GLOSSARY, (excluding the ones they > already had). So "painite" would appear on each such list, but with no hope > in Hades of ever obtaining such a specimen. That's one reason why I am > biased against such "species collectors" who put minerals such as "painite" > on their "Wants List.". Surely if they were knowledgable species collectors, > they would be aware of such rare species-(and not show their ignorance by > including these on their lists?) > > Another "gripe" I have from these so-called species collectors is the > following:-as soon as they become aware of a newly described mineral from > South Africa, I receive quite a few requests to obtain a specimen for their > collection. They do not realise it is probably easier to obtain such a > specimen much easier from a reputable dealer in the States or Europe as that > is where these specimens normally "surface" for the first time. > > Also, we in South Africa cannot supply you with "diamonds on matrix", as by > law we (the normal mineral collector) are not allowed to buy and sell uncut > diamonds (or native gold) in South Africa. > > Horst --- Original Message ----- > From: "Rock Currier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:35 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals > > > >I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might be > >a > > species that no one is offering to sell on the net. > > Rock > > > > > > > > -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Jan 6 22:50:51 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 6 22:50:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals In-Reply-To: <010720070630.23548.45A093770004474F00005BFC216124364607059 C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <010720070630.23548.45A093770004474F00005BFC216124364607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070106203845.04a5a498@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Horst, Pete, et all, At first I really thought you were joking about a mineral that was difficult (a pain) to obtain, or (as you actually said, Horst) caused a pain in the neck with collectors. Painite. Like leaverite, donoite, utellmeite, cementite, etc. ;) Aloha, Kitty Pete: a nice thumbnail-size painite specimen, from Burma. Horst: Many years ago, I read an article that there were only FOUR specimens of painite in existence. Now the collectors that used to give me the most pain in the neck, were From bassmeister_2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 7 04:04:36 2007 From: bassmeister_2000 at yahoo.com (Joe Mulvey) Date: Sun Jan 7 04:04:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around In-Reply-To: <200701070202.l0722hSb006246@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <779218.53913.qm@web51511.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kreigh, Barrington is very close to Parker Mtn mine which is an interesting collecting locality. To the south, you are also within 45 minutes of Raymond, NH where there are still 1 or 2 old pegmatite mines open to the public. I can get better directions off list. To the Northeast Maine and the Rumford area is about 1 1/2 hrs away - what a chance to meet Frank Perham and see some of the most historic mines of the east! That would probably end up being a day trip, since you couldn't just visit one! To your North about an hour's ride brings you to Ossipee and then North Conway. Coming from Michigan and visiting NH, I would say that this is the must see area - if you've never been to the Moat Mtn area, seen the White Mtns or spent your cash in downtown N. Conway then you should visit. There is an awful lot to do iin the White Mtns so you could pack up a car of family of any age and all would have fun. Many of the collecting areas around the N. Conway area are easily accessed. You should swing by Dondero's Rock Shop to see wonderful examples of the incredible smoky quartz, albite, topaz and amazonite that have been discovered ion the past 100 years. Dondero's doesn't sell a LOT of local stuff - I think they cater to what the public wants to buy - that's why they are still in business. Palermo, Westmoreland and the Gilsum areas are a bit further to te west. The best fluorite localities are off limits. Palermo (and meeting Bob Whitmore) is certainly worth a trip! Let me know when your vacation is - maybe you could join a Boston MIneral Club field trip. Regards Joe --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Jan 7 06:41:58 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 7 06:42:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals Message-ID: I half thought that Horst was joking, too, but after I saw the specimen for sale, I looked it up first in Fleischers and then in Mindat, confirming that it's a real mineral, and that type locality is in Burma/Myanmar. I see it has an interesting composition, it's an oxide mineral, calcium zirconium boron aluminum oxide, CaZrBAl9 O18 (there's different ways to write the formula, Mindat writes it ZrCaAl9 O15 (BO3). It has a hardness of 8. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Jan 7 07:13:29 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Jan 7 07:13:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock Shop collection for sale References: <000a01c730fe$00682480$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <001501c7326e$6384afe0$22ed254b@LarryRush> I am again acting as a broker for a rock shop, which is no longer in business and is selling the stock as a lot. The collection is geared toward the tourist, with the following minerals included. This is not high grade material, but may be good for beginners, intermediate collectors, and lower-priced sales. There may be a few good "sleepers" in the lot, I haven't seen it in person. Quartz: points, clusters, geodes, citrine, amethyst, clear, smoky, rose (several hundred pieces altogether) Sulphur Staurolites Selenite wands Agates Petrified wood Galena Garnets: loose, gem grade, some jewelry Pyrite: cubes, suns, clusters Geodes Malachite Amber Native copper Sodalite Magnetite Chalcedony Chrysocolla Herkimer Diamonds (In all, about 750-800 pieces) This collection is presently stored in Minnesota. The buyer must make arrangements to see it and for pick-up or delivery. I can send a CD with some 50 pictures of the material, or I can send a few pics via e-mail of selected items. I also can send a text listing of all of the material for sale. The asking price for this collection is in excess of $2000. Please contact me off-list if interested. Larry Rush larryrush@att.net From bg at his.com Sun Jan 7 08:19:39 2007 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Sun Jan 7 08:18:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] painite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.palagems.com/painite.htm From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jan 7 09:29:25 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jan 7 09:28:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A12DF5.1070605@verizon.net> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > I half thought that Horst was joking, too, but after I saw the specimen for > sale, I looked it up first in Fleischers and then in Mindat, confirming that > it's a real mineral, and that type locality is in Burma/Myanmar. I see it > has an interesting composition, it's an oxide mineral, calcium zirconium boron > aluminum oxide, CaZrBAl9 O18 (there's different ways to write the formula, > Mindat writes it > ZrCaAl9 O15 (BO3). It has a hardness of 8. I would tend to put the Ca first, since it is the cation with the highest weight percent oxide. The describing author, in the original article, writes it as CaZrB[Al9O18] (Moore & Araki, American Mineralogist 61 Jan-Feb 1976, pp. 88-94). The reason for writing that way was to emphasize the octahedral framework based on [Al9O18]9- (that's a superscript of 9-, indicating a charge of negative 9). Within the article, the author mentions [BO3]3- structures, but writing it as a (BO3) way de-emphasizes the primary octahedral framework symmetry. It makes sense to go with the original author's formula, unless the Mindat user who posted it is aware of some revision to the mineral's structure and chemistry--and somehow I doubt that. Don From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sat Jan 6 12:18:30 2007 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sun Jan 7 10:51:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Costa Rica Message-ID: <45A00416.91BB1F5D@gmx.de> Hello group, is anyone willing to share up-to-date information on localities in Costa Rica where I could try to collect zeolites? I found many localities which were published back in 1993 by R. Tschernich. I guess there may be different conditions now. I am going to visit Costa Rica in February, 2007. Any ideas? Any other places I should not miss from a mineral collector?s point of view? J?rgen From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jan 7 12:01:14 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jan 7 11:59:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] painite References: Message-ID: <45A1510B.57F2@Tomaszewski.net> Thank you! That was a fun article. And they even have four specimens for sale in their gallery. But buying one of them would still be a pain in the pocketbook. Kreigh Catherine Gaber wrote: > > http://www.palagems.com/painite.htm > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From turnea55 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 7 12:12:09 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:12:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals In-Reply-To: <45A12DF5.1070605@verizon.net> Message-ID: Painite used to be considered the rarest gem (and of the rarest minerals in the world). However, the new find last year has definitely changed this. Not only can you now find cut gems relatively easily and considerably cheap (on ebay there is usually about a dozen listed), but I saw thousands of rough pieces of it in Tuscon last year priced anywhere from $10 to in the thousands. Many dealers literally had bags of small shards of painite sitting out on tables. It still may be one of the rarest gems, but compared to taaffeite, serendibite, musgravite, jeremejevite, etc. it may no longer be number one. The new discovery of painite reminds me of other minerals that used to cost a fortune but now can be obtained with relative ease and at a reasonable price. Green apophyllites and cavansites from India were hudreds to thousands of dollars awhile back. Now decent pieces are well less than a hundred. The largest Utah bixbyite was about a half inch a decade ago (those sizes were hundreds of dollars). Due to the new larger ones found, a half inch bixbyite can now be purchased for less than $20 in places. We won't even discuss the old Congo carrolites (new finds of crystals several inches in size). Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA >From: DonH >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:29:25 -0800 > >Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > >>I half thought that Horst was joking, too, but after I saw the specimen >>for sale, I looked it up first in Fleischers and then in Mindat, >>confirming that it's a real mineral, and that type locality is in >>Burma/Myanmar. I see it has an interesting composition, it's an oxide >>mineral, calcium zirconium boron aluminum oxide, CaZrBAl9 O18 (there's >>different ways to write the formula, Mindat writes it ZrCaAl9 O15 (BO3). >>It has a hardness of 8. > > >I would tend to put the Ca first, since it is the cation with the highest >weight percent oxide. The describing author, in the original article, >writes it as CaZrB[Al9O18] (Moore & Araki, American Mineralogist 61 Jan-Feb >1976, pp. 88-94). The reason for writing that way was to emphasize the >octahedral framework based on [Al9O18]9- (that's a superscript of 9-, >indicating a charge of negative 9). Within the article, the author >mentions [BO3]3- structures, but writing it as a (BO3) way de-emphasizes >the primary octahedral framework symmetry. It makes sense to go with the >original author's formula, unless the Mindat user who posted it is aware of >some revision to the mineral's structure and chemistry--and somehow I doubt >that. > >Don > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jan 7 12:19:08 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:17:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A155BC.4070304@verizon.net> Andrew Turner wrote: > The largest Utah bixbyite was about a half inch a > decade ago (those sizes were hundreds of dollars). Due to the new > larger ones found, a half inch bixbyite can now be purchased for less > than $20 in places. HOLY COW! This reminds me why I stopped collecting as an "investment." I paid $250 for one of the largest bixbyites ever found back then; I can't believe they've gone down that much. It is a beautiful piece, but it is sad to know I could get one now for less thanalf what I paid for it. Do From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sun Jan 14 12:20:31 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael schmidt) Date: Sun Jan 7 12:19:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals References: <200701010201.l0121Yba027261@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <010201c72ecf$0dbbd4f0$6b01a8c0@rock3> <000201c731c6$f146e7b0$9d4fd0c4@privatehome> Message-ID: <00d401c73819$7069fac0$67525318@johnny> there are now gobs of painitie specimens available, and have been for the better part of 18 months..if not longer. crystals or cut stones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Windisch" To: "Rock Currier" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals > I have now decided to also add my two cents to this discussion. Many years > ago, I read an article that there were only FOUR specimens of painite in > existence. > > Now the collectors that used to give me the most pain in the neck, were > species mineral collectors residing in Italy. They used to send out "WANT > LISTS", taken directly from Fleischer's GLOSSARY, (excluding the ones they > already had). So "painite" would appear on each such list, but with no hope > in Hades of ever obtaining such a specimen. That's one reason why I am > biased against such "species collectors" who put minerals such as "painite" > on their "Wants List.". Surely if they were knowledgable species collectors, > they would be aware of such rare species-(and not show their ignorance by > including these on their lists?) > > Another "gripe" I have from these so-called species collectors is the > following:-as soon as they become aware of a newly described mineral from > South Africa, I receive quite a few requests to obtain a specimen for their > collection. They do not realise it is probably easier to obtain such a > specimen much easier from a reputable dealer in the States or Europe as that > is where these specimens normally "surface" for the first time. > > Also, we in South Africa cannot supply you with "diamonds on matrix", as by > law we (the normal mineral collector) are not allowed to buy and sell uncut > diamonds (or native gold) in South Africa. > > Horst --- Original Message ----- > From: "Rock Currier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:35 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals > > > >I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might be > >a > > species that no one is offering to sell on the net. > > Rock > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jan 7 20:28:17 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jan 7 20:25:20 2007 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (was PEERs) References: Message-ID: <45A1C7A5.2273@Tomaszewski.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > > That sums up my thoughts on the matter too. The scientists who take an > > aggressive atheist position are just as wrong as the creationists, IMO. > > Science is the study of 'how' thing happen and not 'why' things happen. > > Axel begs to differ ;-))) > > If you take God into the equation, you're taking the easy way out en are in > fact replacing science by 'gut feeling'. I also beg to differ... Faith can be motivation to understand God's Creation; it does not need to be visible in any 'scientific' equation. What became the 'Big Bang' theory was first proposed by Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic Priest. > Now, WHY an HOW things happen belong BOTH to the realm of science. HOW and WHY *_DO_* belong to the Realm of Science, but WHY adds an extra dimension if there is Faith. > > There are 21 major religions on earth, atheism excluded. All of them claim > to have the one and only true God. > Nonetheless, the top 3 of convictions looks like this: > 1 Christianity: 2.1 billion > 2 Islam: 1.3 billion > 3 Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion The 1.1 billion 'Christian' Catholics accept Muslims as 'Brothers in Faith' because they accept the Faith of Abraham; Catholics are expected to find common ground with Muslims. [summary of Catachism of the Catholic Church 841] > > I think that it's safe to assume that the earth is a little older than > creationists want us to believe. ;-))) We agree. > > Cheers > > Axel > Our motivations may differ, but we're all just trying to understand the Universe we live in. I'm looking forward to when we can all agree on HOW, and WHY, it all works the way it does. Kreigh From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Jan 8 07:32:06 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Jan 8 07:32:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] obsidian snowflakes [was spectroscopy] In-Reply-To: <459FF345.AFBDAB27@gmx.de> Message-ID: <008301c7333a$2c344010$6501a8c0@okapi> I've gotten a lot of notes back from my buds on my glass board. See: http://www.warmglass.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=190517#190517 The general consensus seems to be that what's seen on "ancient" glass is a surface effect and not a recrystalization of the glass itself. You've got three things going on: - an original coating of the surface with some sort of metal giving a metallic look (this is what's called "irid glass" today). It can have a crystalline look if layered on sufficiently. - a time-related coating, usually on buried objects or those exposed to polluted/acidic air (read "1800's coal smog"). This is the typical iridescence seen on buried bottles. It's not the glass recrystalizing but rather being etched by the environment. - high-alkali glasses that have a surface degradation. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Juergen Wachsmuth > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 1:07 PM > > ...think about glass as not stable for eternity, also at ambient > temperatures. In Cologne you can see glass from Roman times > that is not transparent any more. Guides in the museum tell > visitors that the reason is crystallization. This should > happen with obsidian (= glass), too. > Sure it will take longer than we are allowed to watch. > > Regards, > > J?rgen From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 8 13:43:02 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:43:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Montserrat Volcano Message-ID: Ya'll seen Montserrat lately? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242352,00.html Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 8 14:16:53 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 8 14:17:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] painite Message-ID: Very interesting... I too thought this was a ugotmeagainite. Glenn > From: bg@his.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:19:39 -0500> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] painite> > http://www.palagems.com/painite.htm> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Mon Jan 8 16:59:28 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:59:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shattuckite In-Reply-To: <112720060536.13493.456A7941000336B7000034B5216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> References: <112720060536.13493.456A7941000336B7000034B5216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: OK, here's a chance for you south-western folks to shine! I have a couple of chunks of heavy blue massive material consisting mostly of medium dark pure blue intergrown spherical aggregates of acicular crystals. In between here and there is a lighter blue-green material with a non-descript fine grained texture, and less frequently here and there some granular bronzy stuff. No voids of any size. I believe that the main mineral is shattuckite, the green-blue stuff may be ajoite, and it comes from Arizona. Does this verbal description ring any bells? If you think you know where it came from, but want to see a picture to make sure it looks like you think I think it looks, let me know and I'll take one and send it to you. Thanks, Pete Richards From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 8 17:13:00 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 8 17:13:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) Message-ID: Jeanette and I drove to Lightning Point Park in Bayou La Batre to watch the sunset and maybe glimpse the comet. We were treated to a wonderful winter sunset after a near cloudless day. Unfortunately the few clouds in the entire sky were situated in the extreme southwest. Such has been most of my attempts at comet and meteor shower watching. But we enjoyed watching the sunset, Venus, seabirds, several planes, and a few boats. And a quiet hour or so alone. Glenn From: deepskyspy@insightbb.comRe: Comet McNaught If you want to "collect" some space debris visually, look up Comet McNaught on the net. (Check out Sky & Telescope or comet news services.) It is currently low in the western sky at sunset and is the brightest comet in several years. According to a friend who saw it tonight, it is bright and diffuse in binoculars. I have not had the chance to look for it. Maybe tomorrow night... Alan _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hilmarandheidi at telus.net Mon Jan 8 18:18:03 2007 From: hilmarandheidi at telus.net (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Mon Jan 8 18:18:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Costa Rica In-Reply-To: <45A00416.91BB1F5D@gmx.de> References: <45A00416.91BB1F5D@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1A929987-0A1B-4716-B058-F684DB20B1BB@telus.net> > Hello group, > > is anyone willing to share up-to-date information on localities in > Costa > Rica where I could try to collect zeolites? I found many localities > which were published back in 1993 by R. Tschernich. I guess there > may be > different conditions now. > I am going to visit Costa Rica in February, 2007. Any ideas? Any other > places I should not miss from a mineral collector?s point of view? > > J?rgen _____________________________________________________________ Hello J?rgen, and anybody else who may be interested. Heidi and I were in Costa Rica this past February and we found out that it is ILLEGAL TO TAKE ANYTHING MADE BY NATURE OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Rocks, shells from the beach, plant material, anything. In effect, the whole country is considered a National Park. Upon departure they do check about every second suitcase. Heidis was checked, not mine. They go through everything. I managed to bring out one rock which I hid inside my underware that I was wearing ! If they find something, it will be confiscated. What else they may do to you, I do not know. Probably a fine. More about this and the Crows Nest Analcime off list. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 8 19:08:03 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 8 19:08:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) Message-ID: Glenn, I too have gone out looking for the comet, several evenings and at least one morning, but I just haven't been able to see a thing, though the sky has been clear (except for a few clouds here & there which shouldn't have blocked the view of any given spot all the time). Perhaps just the general haze of being at the edge of a city (Denver) obscures it enough that the comet isn't visible; but if it's clear, I may try again tomorrow morning. I did also, see at least one magnificent sunset though! And a lot of a crystalline hexagonal dihydrogen oxide mineral, falling right out of the sky too, if you can believe it. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 8 19:36:56 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 8 19:36:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Comet McNaught Message-ID: We had about 6 inches of postcrystalline hydrogen hydroxide Sunday. Today was our first clear day in a while. Glenn From: Pmodreski@aol.com I did also, see at least one magnificent sunset though! And a lot of a crystalline hexagonal dihydrogen oxide mineral, falling right out of the sky too, if you can believe it. Pete _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hilmarandheidi at telus.net Mon Jan 8 19:54:57 2007 From: hilmarandheidi at telus.net (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Mon Jan 8 19:54:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (Rockhounds) Costa Rica Message-ID: Hello group, is anyone willing to share up-to-date information on localities in Costa Rica where I could try to collect zeolites? I found many localities which were published back in 1993 by R. Tschernich. I guess there may be different conditions now. I am going to visit Costa Rica in February, 2007. Any ideas? Any other places I should not miss from a mineral collector?s point of view? J?rgen _____________________________________________________________ Hello J?rgen, and anybody else who may be interested. Heidi and I were in Costa Rica this past February and we found out that it is ILLEGAL TO TAKE ANYTHING MADE BY NATURE OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Rocks, shells from the beach, plant material, anything. In effect, the whole country is considered a National Park. Upon departure they do check about every second suitcase. Heidis was checked, not mine. They go through everything. I managed to bring out one rock which I hid inside my underware that I was wearing ! If they find something, it will be confiscated. What else they may do to you, I do not know. Probably a fine. More about this and the Crows Nest Analcime off list. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Tue Jan 9 04:46:40 2007 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Tue Jan 9 04:46:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite In-Reply-To: <90409.33929.qm@web51013.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022B9C77@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> I was browsing and found another close-up picture of the meteorite, and that it is identified as one. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242100,00.html -- Peter -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mr EMan Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:42 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite Hello Grant, The gist of the skepticism elsewhere on the net is that this may be a meteorite-- but not a freshly fallen meteorite. Some have cautioned that this doesn't have the hallmarks of a freshly fallen iron --but favors a wire-brushed specimen of a cheap ruster which fell hundreds of years ago. (e.g. Campo or Nantan). It would not be the first time a stunt was attempted. An astronomy grad student torched a hole in the dome of a telescope building and left some irons which later were chemically matched to Canyon Diablo aka Meteor Crater. Also in the Netherlands a few years ago a piece of slag came through the roof of a warehouse with no proved explanation of how it arrived. With meteorite myths Hollywood established in the public psyche , very little falls inside the limits of the easy to explain or outside the relm of the possible. Someone recently said and wisely so, he never puts any validity in a developing science story. One wonders if the same scientists that identified this as a meteorite are the same ones that said so based on the recent meteor shower. Seems each time a meteor shower is mentioned in the news, someone finds a "meteorite" from that shower. Only they never pan out and no meteorite has ever been associated with a meteor shower as all but one are associated with comets. Elton PS: For reasons not worth going into here, any meteorite from a the debris stream of a cometary meteor shower is going to leave a heck of a hole. -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From ajs at frii.com Tue Jan 9 08:44:12 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Jan 9 08:44:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070109164412.5880C4D28D@io.frii.com> > I too have gone out looking for the comet, several evenings and at > least one morning, but I just haven't been able to see a thing... Me either. Last night I brought my binocs into work, took a break, and sat in a dark second-floor conference room with an unobstructed view west to the mountains, enjoying the sunset. Alas, no hint of the comet. I can only guess that even distant mountains sticking up perhaps 3-4 degrees blocked the view. The Sky & Telescope finder map indicated where the comet should be, but by the time it was dark enough to have a good chance of seeing it, Venus was low enough to put the comet behind the foothills. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Tue Jan 9 05:34:33 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:01:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (Rockhounds) Costa Rica In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c733f2$e6661360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> _____________________________________________________________ Hello J?rgen, and anybody else who may be interested. Heidi and I were in Costa Rica this past February and we found out that it is ILLEGAL TO TAKE ANYTHING MADE BY NATURE OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Rocks, shells from the beach, plant material, anything. In effect, the whole country is considered a National Park. Upon departure they do check about every second suitcase. Heidis was checked, not mine. They go through everything. I managed to bring out one rock which I hid inside my underware that I was wearing ! If they find something, it will be confiscated. What else they may do to you, I do not know. Probably a fine. ---------------------------------------------- Hello Hilmar, Do you know if this is a recent development? I went to Costa Rica in 1999 and came back with a nice suite of volcanic rocks (OK, I'm depraved, and collect rocks too), all of which the inspectors at the airports requested I unwrap and show them, but nothing was confiscated. They didn't even tell me it was illegal -- I simply didn't know. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net From armandoafonso at oniduo.pt Tue Jan 9 12:17:32 2007 From: armandoafonso at oniduo.pt (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:17:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] test References: <20070109164412.5880C4D28D@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <001401c7342b$320b54f0$0301a8c0@TOSHIBA> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Silverstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) >> I too have gone out looking for the comet, several evenings and at >> least one morning, but I just haven't been able to see a thing... > > Me either. Last night I brought my binocs into work, took a break, and > sat in a dark second-floor conference room with an unobstructed view > west to the mountains, enjoying the sunset. Alas, no hint of the comet. > I can only guess that even distant mountains sticking up perhaps 3-4 > degrees blocked the view. The Sky & Telescope finder map indicated > where the comet should be, but by the time it was dark enough to have a > good chance of seeing it, Venus was low enough to put the comet behind > the foothills. > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From armandoafonso at oniduo.pt Tue Jan 9 12:24:09 2007 From: armandoafonso at oniduo.pt (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:24:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEXGEM - Nathan T. Romano References: <20070109164412.5880C4D28D@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <002001c7342c$1f3b8bf0$0301a8c0@TOSHIBA> Hi all. Does anyone in the list knows this company? It seems that they have some nice stones, and I am considering to order something, but really, I only know what is on the site. I would appreciate some impartial information a bout them. Thanks. AA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Silverstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) >> I too have gone out looking for the comet, several evenings and at >> least one morning, but I just haven't been able to see a thing... > > Me either. Last night I brought my binocs into work, took a break, and > sat in a dark second-floor conference room with an unobstructed view > west to the mountains, enjoying the sunset. Alas, no hint of the comet. > I can only guess that even distant mountains sticking up perhaps 3-4 > degrees blocked the view. The Sky & Telescope finder map indicated > where the comet should be, but by the time it was dark enough to have a > good chance of seeing it, Venus was low enough to put the comet behind > the foothills. > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From armandoafonso at oniduo.pt Tue Jan 9 12:26:10 2007 From: armandoafonso at oniduo.pt (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue Jan 9 12:26:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NEXGEM - Nathan T. Romano References: <20070109164412.5880C4D28D@io.frii.com> <001401c7342b$320b54f0$0301a8c0@TOSHIBA> Message-ID: <002b01c7342c$674a0ca0$0301a8c0@TOSHIBA> Hi all. Does anyone in the list knows this company? It seems that they have some nice stones, and I am considering to order something, but really, I only know what is on the site. I would appreciate some impartial information a bout them. Thanks. AA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armando Afonso" To: ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] test > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Silverstein" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) > > >>> I too have gone out looking for the comet, several evenings and at >>> least one morning, but I just haven't been able to see a thing... >> >> Me either. Last night I brought my binocs into work, took a break, and >> sat in a dark second-floor conference room with an unobstructed view >> west to the mountains, enjoying the sunset. Alas, no hint of the comet. >> I can only guess that even distant mountains sticking up perhaps 3-4 >> degrees blocked the view. The Sky & Telescope finder map indicated >> where the comet should be, but by the time it was dark enough to have a >> good chance of seeing it, Venus was low enough to put the comet behind >> the foothills. >> >> Cheers, >> Alan Silverstein >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From murowchickj at umkc.edu Tue Jan 9 13:12:16 2007 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Tue Jan 9 13:12:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: How to Prevent Marcasite From Tarnishing In-Reply-To: <88141DBF4B963244AC4DAC5E82C06F712159A9@chcasrvmail1.chca.com> Message-ID: Anthony- For the use you mentioned, after cleaning, rinsing with distilled water, and thoroughly drying the specimen (I usually rinse the water out with acetone, which then dries quickly), you can either spray the sample with something like Krylon, or coat it with a thinned wash of something like Duco cement in acetone. These do alter the surface luster, so go easy on the coating. I would never do this for a display specimen, but for the use you mentioned, it would help preserve the specimen. There was a British Museum publication on the preservation of pyrite specimens a while back. I'm pretty sure I have it at home, and will let you know if I find it. Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 1/3/07 10:31 AM, "Anthony Schlinsog" wrote: > Greetings and a happy new year everyone!! > > I am usually just a lurker on this list and though I have contributed > little (I don't really have much to add), I have learned a great deal > and want to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge so freely. > > I do have a question that I hope someone here can help with. I have > collected a fair amount of marcasite from the shales of central Kansas. > After soaking them in an Oxalic Acid solution, followed by a prolonged > rinsing with water, their luster has been restored. But over a period of > months, they oxidize again and loose their luster. > > I would like to hand some of the marcasite out at my daughter's school > and was wondering if there is something I can spray on them after the > cleaning, rinsing & drying process that would prevent the future > oxidation...? Since the samples would end up in the bottom drawer of a > child rather than in a more "serious" collection, I'm mainly concerned > that whatever coating I apply not be really noticeable to the untrained > eye. > > Any suggestions? Thanks! > > Anthony Schlinsog > > Shawnee, KS > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From roughrock at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 17:10:16 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 9 17:10:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey meteorite (Comet McNaught) In-Reply-To: <20070109164412.5880C4D28D@io.frii.com> References: <20070109164412.5880C4D28D@io.frii.com> Message-ID: In March of 1997 when Hale-Bopp was visible I had to go to Mineral Point, Wisconsin on business. We left home in the afternoon and were on I-80 going east through Reno by dark. Then we got our first great view of the comet. From the Nevada desert it was one of the most impressive natural sights I've ever seen. I think the round trip took about 2 weeks. We developed the habit of driving almost all night then sleeping in the daytime, primarily because the viiew was so incredible. (Just to be on topic)-- I guess I missed a chance to check out Wisconsin mineral while I was in Mineral Point but I was told the area had been settled by Cornish miners who mined lead. Grant From roughrock at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 17:23:00 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 9 17:23:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shattuckite In-Reply-To: References: <112720060536.13493.456A7941000336B7000034B5216038311607059C0A9D0B0103069F@att.net> Message-ID: Pete, About 10 years ago a small rockshop in Benson, AZ had several pounds of shattuckite for sale. They told me it came from Bisbee -- and I think it was about $30 per pound . If you send me a scanned photo I'll take a look. I know it's impossible to identify any copper specimine from a photo but I enjoy looking at the pictures. (Roughrock@Gmail.com) Grant On 1/8/07, R. Peter Richards wrote: > OK, here's a chance for you south-western folks to shine! I have a > couple of chunks of heavy blue massive material consisting mostly of > medium dark pure blue intergrown spherical aggregates of acicular > crystals. In between here and there is a lighter blue-green material > with a non-descript fine grained texture, and less frequently here > and there some granular bronzy stuff. No voids of any size. > > I believe that the main mineral is shattuckite, the green-blue stuff > may be ajoite, and it comes from Arizona. > > Does this verbal description ring any bells? If you think you know > where it came from, but want to see a picture to make sure it looks > like you think I think it looks, let me know and I'll take one and > send it to you. > > Thanks, > Pete Richards > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From roughrock at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 17:34:54 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Tue Jan 9 17:34:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shattuckite answer 2 Message-ID: from the Rock-Net archives Posted in response to Shattuckite Azurite from Ward on December 02, 2006 at 18:54:30: Re: Shattuckite Azurite Hi Ward, I have some information on Shattuckite that I dug up in an old Rock and Gem Magazine from 1975. Aparrently it looks like it is a seperate mineral all together than Azurite so you perhaps should drop the second name. It also looks like it has been found in several locations in Arizona as well. Here are some quotes directly from the magazine which believe it or not is authored by the one and only Bob Jones the absolute authority on copper minerals. Bar none. Here goes: "From the New Cornelia Pit, at Ajo has come an abundance of copper gem material in the form of Shattuckite and Ajoite with Higginsite. The supply has dried up but there are still plenty of dusty chunks sitting on back shelves in roadside rock shops and storage rooms. Alittle effort brings them to light and they do make very plaesing gems. Shattuckite is probably more common than supposed, as it is easily confused with massive Azurite. However under a hand lens it shows a radiating pattern which forms spherules within the structure. The color is deep blue, often associated with contrasting lighter material, most notibly Ajoite and Higginsite. Shattuckote is derived from the dehydration of Chrysocolla, an other reason to believe it may be more common. If dehydration is complete the mineral is Bisbeeite." Bob also goes on to say "Mohs hardness for Shattuckite hovers around 4, however it is quite compact and durable so it takes a good polish." He also says "Shattuckite was first discover at the Shattuck Mine in Bisbee." hence the name. Here's a little more: "Shattuckite has has been encountered in veins in Quartz in at least two locations in Arizona. Both are on private claims which were once small copper operations. Currently producing gem material is the Owlhead Mine near Oracle. The second occurance is closeby the first, as the crow flies. In the Tortilla Mtns. A brief description of the deposit suggests there is much material." That is what old Bob says Ward. Anyway I assume the value is quite high today. But as I say if it looks gorgeous it's valuable. Do you have any pictures? By the way do you want to trade some for some very rare Pueblo Mine gem Azurite from Whitehorse, Yukon? I hope my input helps. Dick in the Yukon. >From Dick McKenna - December 10, 2006 at 18:10:18 Email: dickmckenna[ ]klondiker.com Message: 61561 Grant From hilmarandheidi at telus.net Tue Jan 9 18:41:13 2007 From: hilmarandheidi at telus.net (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Tue Jan 9 18:41:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: (Rockhounds) Costa Rica In-Reply-To: <002701c733f2$e6661360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <002701c733f2$e6661360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <00157B7F-0796-401D-805F-D053B6C7B300@telus.net> > Hello Hilmar, > > Do you know if this is a recent development? I went to Costa Rica > in 1999 > and came back with a nice suite of volcanic rocks (OK, I'm > depraved, and > collect rocks too), all of which the inspectors at the airports > requested I > unwrap and show them, but nothing was confiscated. They didn't > even tell me > it was illegal -- I simply didn't know. > > Cheers- Earl ______________________________________________________________ Earl, I do not know for sure but it looks like things have changed since 1999. All I know is that we received stern warnings against taking anything out. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jan 9 21:31:59 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 9 21:32:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does "Weighted Sterling" mean? Message-ID: Hi, Rockhounds, A friend asked me this and I really wasn't sure of the answer; looking it up, I think I've figured it out, but I wonder if someone on the list can confirm that I'm interpreting this correctly. They had asked about candlesticks that are marked "Weighted Sterling", and the question was, what does this mean? Not being an antiques person, I had really never encountered this, but looking it up on the web, I've never been able to find a definition, but what it SEEMS to mean, is pieces that are made of Sterling Silver, but that are weighted inside with some other material to make them heavier (presumably, less likely to tip over, without the expense of making them solid silver). This seems to be a commonly employed practice, both for antique and for new silver candlesticks. I suspect that sellers of silver merchandise are not eager to go out of their way to clarify what this means, since it means that the merchandise is not solid silver. I also could not find any reference to what the material is that is used to weight them, though I would assume it would most likely be lead. Can anyone confirm that I've got this right? Thanks, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jan 10 04:58:42 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jan 10 04:58:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070110043623.037e5860@orerockon.com> Hey Earl, saw ya on the TeeVee last night. I particularly liked the part where you were under the covers with the hostess during the credits. I am soooo jealous! Seriously though, I saw one episode of that show & gave it an "oh brother". Saw this one because you posted to the list & was mildly interested. Should change the name to "Where to find Rocks & Minerals" from Cash & Treasures though. Didn't see you prying any Hamiltons off of that wall! Oh yeah, they could have done the Rainbow Room more justice, it impressed me so much when I took the kids there 15(!) years ago that I believe it was the primary impetus for my current obsession :) Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 05:38:02 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:38:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! Message-ID: And from a radio report I heard this morning there is apparently a State law here in Florida providing up to six months in jail for removing beach sand. I suspect this is intended to prevent contractors from removing truck load quantities of sand but they decided to apply it to a few grams. BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jan 10 06:27:29 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 10 06:27:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) Message-ID: ... and what, pray tell (you made me ask), is a Hamilton?? (and, like I or anybody I know, get's "The Travel Channel"??? ah well, can't catch everything in life. I know it exists because I have glimpsed it before in a hotel or restaurant, but it's not even listed in our newspaper's "short list" of locally accessible cable stations) I looked at the website, though; but the "slide show gallery" from the Fluorescent show, doesn't seem to want to load up. I see they had one on Aquamarines, but it's definitely not Mt. Antero, and it looks to me like she's just chipping through a lot of massive opaque beryl crystals. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jan 10 06:43:26 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jan 10 06:43:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070110063238.0364fb50@orerockon.com> I have a 21 year old son, and he says he has "Hamiltons" in his wallet. I, OTOH, have "Benjamins" in mine :P There was supposed to be a show about thundereggs, and Paul "Geode Kid" Colburn & the Baker Egg Mine, Deming NM museum & rock shop as well, but I didn't see it come on. We get the travel channel as part of the cable modem package. Go figure. Like I said, I saw one show, went "ho hum" then didn't even try to catch it again until Earl posted about Sterling Hill. I did catch an ad about a show they did at Virgin Valley in which one customer of the Royal Peacock bragged up her multi-thousand dollar chunk of conch (insert rolling eyes here). Heck, if I hadn't been nailing up moulding in the living room, I wouldn't even have seen it :) At 06:27 AM 1/10/2007, you wrote: >... and what, pray tell (you made me ask), is a Hamilton?? > >(and, like I or anybody I know, get's "The Travel Channel"??? ah well, >can't catch everything in life. I know it exists because I have glimpsed it >before in a hotel or restaurant, but it's not even listed in our newspaper's >"short list" of locally accessible cable stations) > >I looked at the website, though; but the "slide show gallery" from the >Fluorescent show, doesn't seem to want to load up. I see they had one on >Aquamarines, but it's definitely not Mt. Antero, and it looks to me >like she's just >chipping through a lot of massive opaque beryl crystals. > >Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kcbaran at arczip.com Tue Jan 9 15:24:12 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:10:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our Peterson Peak Message-ID: <45A4241C.7080801@arczip.com> How can I get phone numbers to call for permission to rockhound on Peterson Peak? Thank you very much Charles Baran From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Wed Jan 10 05:27:21 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:10:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20070110043623.037e5860@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <000001c734bb$0ed5f4a0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Hi Tim, Should change the name to "Where to find Rocks & Minerals" from Cash & Treasures though. Didn't see you prying any Hamiltons off of that wall! Yes, I agree. Most of the really expensive fluorescent minerals from this area came from the Franklin mine, not Sterling Hill -- species such as margarosanite, manganaxinite, and roeblingite. However, some specimens from Sterling Hill are valued in four figures, not three, and there are quite a few of them. This mine has produced great fluorescent barite, wollastonite, and johnbaumite specimens, to name a few. < snip> Oh yeah, they could have done the Rainbow Room more justice, it impressed me so much when I took the kids there 15(!) years ago that I believe it was the primary impetus for my current obsession :) Part of the problem is that the exposure has weathered a bit since you were last here, and the willemite no longer shows up as brightly as it once did. We'll have to sandblast the rock to bring it back to its original brightness. We had it lit with a 190-watt UV lamp! Cheers- Earl From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Jan 10 08:41:29 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:41:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hamiltons in my pocket was Earl V is a TV star :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005001c734d5$e9690200$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> First off Earl, Great job! I must confess, that after all these years on the Rockhounds list, reading your scholarly responses, that I had imagined you with a tie, sweater vest, pipe and desk... It is wonderful to see you in real life; sweaty, dirty (dirty is good!), and hanging around with TV stars. Pete: I can be mistaken, but when people talk about founding Fathers and Presidents in their pockets, I think of money. $1 Washington $2 Jefferson $5 Lincoln $10 Hamilton $20 Jackson $50 Grant $100 Franklin All bills greater than $100 are no longer legal currency for people $500 McKinley $1,000 Cleveland $5,000 Madison $10,000 Salmon P Chase (who served as Senator from Ohio, Governor of Ohio, as U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln, and Chief Justice of the United States.) $100,000 Woodrow Wilson In amusement looking at my lonely Washingtons Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Pmodreski@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:27 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) .... and what, pray tell (you made me ask), is a Hamilton?? (and, like I or anybody I know, get's "The Travel Channel"??? ah well, can't catch everything in life. I know it exists because I have glimpsed it before in a hotel or restaurant, but it's not even listed in our newspaper's "short list" of locally accessible cable stations) I looked at the website, though; but the "slide show gallery" from the Fluorescent show, doesn't seem to want to load up. I see they had one on Aquamarines, but it's definitely not Mt. Antero, and it looks to me like she's just chipping through a lot of massive opaque beryl crystals. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From folmstead at rcn.com Wed Jan 10 08:55:50 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:57:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] $200 dollar bill and $1000 dollar bill...in my pocket... In-Reply-To: <005001c734d5$e9690200$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <005001c734d5$e9690200$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <45A51A96.8070308@rcn.com> Hi yiou 4-got the "infamous" (1) $200. l and (2) $1000 ( bills - she had more at home ) OR is that only for (1) Wendy's ( was it Wendy's - at least it was a fast food place - and they got change! ) and (2) Walmart ( sales person had trouble getting change and had to call the manager ) GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__ Ted Kowalski wrote: >First off >Earl, Great job! >I must confess, that after all these years on the Rockhounds list, reading >your scholarly responses, that I had imagined you with a tie, sweater vest, >pipe and desk... > >It is wonderful to see you in real life; sweaty, dirty (dirty is good!), and >hanging around with TV stars. > >Pete: >I can be mistaken, but when people talk about founding Fathers and >Presidents in their pockets, I think of money. >$1 Washington >$2 Jefferson >$5 Lincoln >$10 Hamilton >$20 Jackson >$50 Grant >$100 Franklin >All bills greater than $100 are no longer legal currency for people >$500 McKinley >$1,000 Cleveland >$5,000 Madison >$10,000 Salmon P Chase (who served as Senator from Ohio, Governor of >Ohio, as U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln, and Chief >Justice of the United States.) >$100,000 Woodrow Wilson > >In amusement looking at my lonely Washingtons > >Ted Kowalski >Fredericksburg, VA USA > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Pmodreski@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:27 AM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) > >.... and what, pray tell (you made me ask), is a Hamilton?? > >(and, like I or anybody I know, get's "The Travel Channel"??? ah well, >can't catch everything in life. I know it exists because I have glimpsed >it >before in a hotel or restaurant, but it's not even listed in our >newspaper's >"short list" of locally accessible cable stations) > >I looked at the website, though; but the "slide show gallery" from the >Fluorescent show, doesn't seem to want to load up. I see they had one on >Aquamarines, but it's definitely not Mt. Antero, and it looks to me like >she's just >chipping through a lot of massive opaque beryl crystals. > >Pete > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Wed Jan 10 09:31:38 2007 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scotts Rock & Gem) Date: Wed Jan 10 09:31:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our Peterson Peak References: <45A4241C.7080801@arczip.com> Message-ID: Hi Charles: I may be mistaken, but the last I knew, anyone could hunt on the sides of the mountain. The two active claims are up on top. The claim that most people seem to dig on belonged to Foster Hallman. The last phone number I had for him was 775 323-2862. Backhoe assisted digging didn't usually begin until spring, when Foster could get the back hoe up those steep, rutted roads. Spring and Fall were the best times to dig as the summer heat really took a toll on how much energy one could put out. The fee to dig used to be $100 per day. Four wheel drive is needed to access the claim, but if you don't have it Foster would sometimes meet you down below, and you could ride up with him. The other claim belonged to partners Ed Christianson and Jon Johnson. They didn't offer much public digging, but there was a Federation group trip there, at least one time per year. The last number I had for them was 702 786-3271. As far as I could tell, mineralization was the same on both claims. I also saw some great material turned up by hand diggers down on the sides of the mountain. But to be successful on the sides, you would either need to be lucky, and/or be prepared to settle in for several days and move a significant amount of earth and rock. All this info is getting on 10 years old by now, so I don't really know anything current about the area or claims, but hope this helps. Warm Regards - Scott Blair Scott's Rock & Gem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Baran" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Our Peterson Peak > How can I get phone numbers to call for permission to rockhound on > Peterson Peak? Thank you very much > > Charles Baran > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From albalmer at att.net Wed Jan 10 10:22:49 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Jan 10 10:22:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:38:02 -0500, "J Bryan Kramer" wrote: > > >And from a radio report I heard this morning there is apparently a State law >here in Florida providing up to six months in jail for removing beach sand. >I suspect this is intended to prevent contractors from removing truck load >quantities of sand but they decided to apply it to a few grams. > Does that mean you have to clean your shoes before leaving the beach? -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 11:07:52 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jan 10 11:07:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Probably true, I'm sure they'll be hiring beach sand removal inspectors to check everyone on the way off the beach. They'll fund it with a beach access fee. BK On 1/10/07, Al Balmer wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:38:02 -0500, "J Bryan Kramer" > wrote: > > > > > > >And from a radio report I heard this morning there is apparently a State > law > >here in Florida providing up to six months in jail for removing beach > sand. > >I suspect this is intended to prevent contractors from removing truck > load > >quantities of sand but they decided to apply it to a few grams. > > > Does that mean you have to clean your shoes before leaving the beach? > > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Wed Jan 10 13:46:28 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Wed Jan 10 13:46:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200701102146.l0ALkU1a007865@bubbleator.drizzle.com> It's not just in or on your shoes! I remember getting sand down the shorts when vacationing in the San Diego area when I was a kid. Ouch, that didn't feel good. A shower in the motel was always a relief, but I bet all that sand in the plumbing drove the motel owners crazy! :-) Of course, most beaches in the tourist areas have the quick showers near the parking lots. Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:08 PM To: alremovebalmerthis@att.net; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! Probably true, I'm sure they'll be hiring beach sand removal inspectors to check everyone on the way off the beach. They'll fund it with a beach access fee. BK On 1/10/07, Al Balmer wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:38:02 -0500, "J Bryan Kramer" > wrote: > > > > > > >And from a radio report I heard this morning there is apparently a State > law > >here in Florida providing up to six months in jail for removing beach > sand. > >I suspect this is intended to prevent contractors from removing truck > load > >quantities of sand but they decided to apply it to a few grams. > > > Does that mean you have to clean your shoes before leaving the beach? > > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jan 10 15:06:49 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 10 14:56:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does "Weighted Sterling" mean? References: Message-ID: <45A56EFB.2611@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, You got it right. You may also see 'weighted sterling'. And yes, lead is the most common weight. Kreigh Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, Rockhounds, > > A friend asked me this and I really wasn't sure of the answer; looking it > up, I think I've figured it out, but I wonder if someone on the list can confirm > that I'm interpreting this correctly. They had asked about candlesticks > that are marked "Weighted Sterling", and the question was, what does this mean? > Not being an antiques person, I had really never encountered this, but > looking it up on the web, I've never been able to find a definition, but what it > SEEMS to mean, is pieces that are made of Sterling Silver, but that are > weighted inside with some other material to make them heavier (presumably, less > likely to tip over, without the expense of making them solid silver). This > seems to be a commonly employed practice, both for antique and for new silver > candlesticks. > > I suspect that sellers of silver merchandise are not eager to go out of > their way to clarify what this means, since it means that the merchandise is not > solid silver. I also could not find any reference to what the material is > that is used to weight them, though I would assume it would most likely be lead. > > Can anyone confirm that I've got this right? Thanks, > Pete From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Jan 10 16:16:33 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Wed Jan 10 16:16:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What does "Weighted Sterling" mean? References: <45A56EFB.2611@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <01fc01c73515$c07cd3e0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> occasionallly theyareweighted with plaster of paris as it is poured into the base. i found this out in the 80's when I melted down some damaged candle sticks Keep on rockin Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] What does "Weighted Sterling" mean? > Pete, > > You got it right. You may also see 'weighted sterling'. And yes, lead is > the most common weight. > > Kreigh > > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hi, Rockhounds, >> >> A friend asked me this and I really wasn't sure of the answer; looking it >> up, I think I've figured it out, but I wonder if someone on the list can >> confirm >> that I'm interpreting this correctly. They had asked about candlesticks >> that are marked "Weighted Sterling", and the question was, what does this >> mean? >> Not being an antiques person, I had really never encountered this, but >> looking it up on the web, I've never been able to find a definition, but >> what it >> SEEMS to mean, is pieces that are made of Sterling Silver, but that are >> weighted inside with some other material to make them heavier >> (presumably, less >> likely to tip over, without the expense of making them solid silver). >> This >> seems to be a commonly employed practice, both for antique and for new >> silver >> candlesticks. >> >> I suspect that sellers of silver merchandise are not eager to go out of >> their way to clarify what this means, since it means that the merchandise >> is not >> solid silver. I also could not find any reference to what the material >> is >> that is used to weight them, though I would assume it would most likely >> be lead. >> >> Can anyone confirm that I've got this right? Thanks, >> Pete > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Jan 10 16:47:32 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Wed Jan 10 16:47:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) References: Message-ID: <026401c7351a$14424e20$7a9e5a40@marilyn> I saw the show and Franklin was great but the gold mining made me have "hungry eyes" and more too. By the way the Travel chanel has a web site and they said at the end that you could get more info on the web site Krieg Keep on rockin Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) > ... and what, pray tell (you made me ask), is a Hamilton?? > > (and, like I or anybody I know, get's "The Travel Channel"??? ah well, > can't catch everything in life. I know it exists because I have glimpsed > it > before in a hotel or restaurant, but it's not even listed in our > newspaper's > "short list" of locally accessible cable stations) > > I looked at the website, though; but the "slide show gallery" from the > Fluorescent show, doesn't seem to want to load up. I see they had one on > Aquamarines, but it's definitely not Mt. Antero, and it looks to me like > she's just > chipping through a lot of massive opaque beryl crystals. > > Pete > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Jan 10 16:52:12 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Wed Jan 10 16:52:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) References: <7.0.0.16.2.20070110063238.0364fb50@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <026b01c7351a$bb45e3d0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> the Opal show is next tuesday they said on the show I watched I cant wait I have seen an opal one on another channel discovery I think but maybe the same show. by the way when the baker geode show comes on the folks digging are from the Deming club. great field trip prob one during the Deming show March 8,9,10. then Turquoise is the theme of the ALBQ show exciting for us americanturquoiseminer web guys. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) >I have a 21 year old son, and he says he has "Hamiltons" in his wallet. I, >OTOH, have "Benjamins" in mine :P > There was supposed to be a show about thundereggs, and Paul "Geode Kid" > Colburn & the Baker Egg Mine, Deming NM museum & rock shop as well, but I > didn't see it come on. We get the travel channel as part of the cable > modem package. Go figure. Like I said, I saw one show, went "ho hum" then > didn't even try to catch it again until Earl posted about Sterling Hill. I > did catch an ad about a show they did at Virgin Valley in which one > customer of the Royal Peacock bragged up her multi-thousand dollar chunk > of conch (insert rolling eyes here). Heck, if I hadn't been nailing up > moulding in the living room, I wouldn't even have seen it :) > > At 06:27 AM 1/10/2007, you wrote: >>... and what, pray tell (you made me ask), is a Hamilton?? >> >>(and, like I or anybody I know, get's "The Travel Channel"??? ah well, >>can't catch everything in life. I know it exists because I have glimpsed >>it >>before in a hotel or restaurant, but it's not even listed in our >>newspaper's >>"short list" of locally accessible cable stations) >> >>I looked at the website, though; but the "slide show gallery" from the >>Fluorescent show, doesn't seem to want to load up. I see they had one on >>Aquamarines, but it's definitely not Mt. Antero, and it looks to me like >>she's just >>chipping through a lot of massive opaque beryl crystals. >> >>Pete > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jan 10 17:42:38 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:42:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] long live Peterson Peak (wherever it may be!) Message-ID: Ah, that must be more of you Oregon guys (Charles, Scott) writing about Peterson Peak, because you folks from there are the rockhounds who can discuss a local collecting site for days for weeks on the Listserv, without ever giving the rest of us the faintest clue about what state it's located in! (Am I right? Well, It's got to be Oregon or one of the contiguous states, for sure.) : ) cheers and happy hunting always, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Wed Jan 10 17:59:45 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:57:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] long live Peterson Peak (wherever it may be!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A59A11.5080209@arczip.com> Yep! I'm from Washington. Vancouver. Just across the Columbia River from Oregon. Take care; Charles Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Ah, that must be more of you Oregon guys (Charles, Scott) writing about >Peterson Peak, because you folks from there are the rockhounds who can discuss a >local collecting site for days for weeks on the Listserv, without ever giving >the rest of us the faintest clue about what state it's located in! (Am I >right? Well, It's got to be Oregon or one of the contiguous states, for sure.) > >: ) cheers and happy hunting always, Pete > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jan 10 18:53:13 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:53:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] long live Peterson Peak (wherever it may be!) Message-ID: Well, after googling a bit I've now figured out what/where Peterson Peak is (I really didn't know till now), and I wasn't quite right, because it's not Oregon, but the locality near the CA/NV border "often known as Hallelujah Junction". I knew of the latter name but, not ever having been around there, Peterson Peak didn't mean anything to me. Now, I just couldn't resist, I searched for "summits named Peterson" on the USGS Geographic Names (GNIS) website, and it came up with 4 Peterson Mountains (in MT, WY, and PA), and assorted Peterson Buttes, Peterson Points, Peterson Table, Peterson Hill (Virgin Islands), and only one Peterson Peak, but it was in Cochise County, AZ. So then I finally looked at topozone and realized my problem, it's clearly shown but it's spelled PETERSEN Mountain, and I hadn't been searching for the "-sen" version of the name, only with an "son" as it'd been quoted here. So THAT'S where it is! Always fun to try to look something like this up, you know. Pete (hey, is it named after me? no, my son I guess, that's the old Norse way of doing it...) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Wed Jan 10 19:26:21 2007 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:25:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: What does "Weighted Sterling" mean? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110221245.02139908@accesstoledo.com> Pete, I don't know if this would fall as "off topic", but since Silver is an metallic ore recovered from the earth... ;) From what I recall, weighted sterling is a THIN sterling base over beeswax. From past experiences, you don't get much actual Silver, Maybe a 10th or so.. I actually have one in my scrap pile to melt that was severely damaged, and you can see the ugly yellow beeswax core inside. (Hmm.. I guess I could save that core for my saws blades...) Good Luck with it! -Steve Watch out for stuff marked weighted sterling, typically candlesticks. It's a thin shell of sterling over a beeswax or plaster core. Think sterling can of beeswax soup. You'll be lucky if the sterling weight is 10% of the total. Stephen Shimatzki sjs132@accesstoledo.com http://www.shimatzki.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jan 10 20:02:06 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:50:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] long live Peterson Peak (wherever it may be!) References: Message-ID: <45A5B40D.48B1@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, I was wondering about where it was too, and you promoted me to go looking. Peterson Peak is in/near (the)... ...Hallelujah Junction, on the California/Nevada border... ...Coronado National Forest, Cochise Co., Arizona... ...per Google; neither appears in any of the 34 hits on Mindat for 'peterson' as a location. I love it when Google returns under 150 hits for a query, and most are relevant (BTW, with two Drizle posts in the top five hits!). I got to learn all kinds of interesting new things. But I am still not sure which location was being referenced. Thanks! Kreigh Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Ah, that must be more of you Oregon guys (Charles, Scott) writing about > Peterson Peak, because you folks from there are the rockhounds who can discuss a > local collecting site for days for weeks on the Listserv, without ever giving > the rest of us the faintest clue about what state it's located in! (Am I > right? Well, It's got to be Oregon or one of the contiguous states, for sure.) > > : ) cheers and happy hunting always, Pete > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Wed Jan 10 10:01:44 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Jan 10 23:34:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals References: <200701010201.l0121Yba027261@bubbleator.drizzle.com><010201c72ecf$0dbbd4f0$6b01a8c0@rock3><000201c731c6$f146e7b0$9d4fd0c4@privatehome> <00d401c73819$7069fac0$67525318@johnny> Message-ID: <000601c73552$edf81f40$9a4fd0c4@private7mvzgzc> Yes, well I read this article when it was published in the early seventies (and was true for that point in time). Anyway, thus there is hope to find some rare minerals at some time in the future? Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael schmidt" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals > there are now gobs of painitie specimens available, and have been for the > better part of 18 months..if not longer. > > crystals or cut stones > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst Windisch" > To: "Rock Currier" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing > list for rock and gem collectors" > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals > > >> I have now decided to also add my two cents to this discussion. Many >> years >> ago, I read an article that there were only FOUR specimens of painite in >> existence. >> >> Now the collectors that used to give me the most pain in the neck, were >> species mineral collectors residing in Italy. They used to send out "WANT >> LISTS", taken directly from Fleischer's GLOSSARY, (excluding the ones >> they >> already had). So "painite" would appear on each such list, but with no > hope >> in Hades of ever obtaining such a specimen. That's one reason why I am >> biased against such "species collectors" who put minerals such as > "painite" >> on their "Wants List.". Surely if they were knowledgable species > collectors, >> they would be aware of such rare species-(and not show their ignorance by >> including these on their lists?) >> >> Another "gripe" I have from these so-called species collectors is the >> following:-as soon as they become aware of a newly described mineral from >> South Africa, I receive quite a few requests to obtain a specimen for > their >> collection. They do not realise it is probably easier to obtain such a >> specimen much easier from a reputable dealer in the States or Europe as > that >> is where these specimens normally "surface" for the first time. >> >> Also, we in South Africa cannot supply you with "diamonds on matrix", as > by >> law we (the normal mineral collector) are not allowed to buy and sell > uncut >> diamonds (or native gold) in South Africa. >> >> Horst --- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rock Currier" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:35 AM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals >> >> >> >I think a reasonable, rule of thumb, definition of a rare mineral might > be >> >a >> > species that no one is offering to sell on the net. >> > Rock >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > >> > >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Thu Jan 11 06:37:09 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Thu Jan 11 06:37:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation Message-ID: <45A64B95.9000305@tenforward.com> Hi Everyone, Just a quick note, an invitation actually, I'll soon be out the door and would like to invite all of you to come visit me at the big Tucson Show. >From January 23rd - February 11th, I'll be in my room, number 186, at the Inn Suites, and it would be great to meet you and say hello. This is going to be a terrific show this year (as always) and I'm hearing so many positive things that I can't hardly wait to get there! I'll keep the case displays lit and will have a smile ready when you arrive! All the very best everyone, be safe in your travels! John From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Jan 11 06:38:42 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 11 06:38:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rare minerals Message-ID: That was an amusing coincidence, Horst, that the one mineral you picked as an example of a rare mineral that was just not available at all, suddenly became one that was available in relative abundance. Such is the unpredictability of life, I guess--even for minerals that have been around for millions of years. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gramtam at mac.com Wed Jan 10 20:47:01 2007 From: gramtam at mac.com (Teresa Masters) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:39:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Weighted Silver, and bitten Tongues In-Reply-To: <200701110202.l0B22e4o031102@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200701110202.l0B22e4o031102@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <711F43CC-7873-4D99-B78C-BA317778E27F@mac.com> Well, weighted silver is not with intent to scam, at least not when it was happening. Having had European parents, I grew up with sterling silver flatware, candle sticks and table ware. At times, careless polishing of candle sticks caused the silver to pleat at the junction of the base and the candle holder portion. That made it rather unsightly. My mother saved those pieces and gave them on to me. When I began silversmithing, I peeled away the decorative silver sheet from the base, which rather than lead, was a composite of perhaps beeswax and a solidifying substance. A friend who does Embossed Metal Work, cooked up this substance in my kitchen to pour into the back of the embossed metal, silver or pewter, to maintain the shapes she had embossed. This was the case in the candlesticks where there frequently was a decorative swirl, that also needed solid backing. I am still using some of this when I fuse pendants. As automatic dishwashers came into more common use, and sterling silver flatware was still on the table, knives suffered. The heat of the dishwasher melted the substance holding the knife hilt within the handle. Yes I have some of those too. When the Hunt Brothers were artificially running up the price of silver, far too many of these parent, and grandparent treasures, unfortunately were melted down. In recent times I am seeing studio mates purchasing fantastically beautiful sterling silver forks and spoons, and guillotining them into crucible sized pieces. It breaks my heart. I have withheld the fact that I have a 138 piece place setting of Sterling Silver from my son and grandson's. Hoping to keep them from melt, until perhaps a woman enters one of their lives and preserves them for the future. Now my friends, I can see many bitten cheeks and tongues, in reference to Hamiltons and grains of sand. I have known forever that "sand gets into everywhere." Terrie From ajs at frii.com Thu Jan 11 13:15:54 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Jan 11 13:15:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest fossil wood display Message-ID: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> (Following up on previous email -- not sure on which of two rocks-related lists it came up, so I'm sending to both to be safe. :-) Is there petrified wood in NH? ("There is no sedimentary rock in the state.") I emailed to the Petrified Forest NP folks and got back this nice reply: I've attached an image of the US petrified wood display at Petrified Forest National Park. According to my records, petrified wood is thought to come from Lebanon and West Canaan, NH. I'd recommend contacting a state university with a geology department, the United States Geologic Survey (USGS) at a state office, or just do a web search to find out more. If you'd like to view the image (54 Kb), I saved it here: http://users.frii.com/ajs/photos/PetrifiedForestDisplay.jpg What's interesting is that I see HI and AK, but it appears there are no specimens for ME or VT! I inquired back about that. Also I'm surprised there's fossil wood in (all-volcanic) HI. Maybe ash-entombed? Cheers, Alan Silverstein From dr00bert at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 14:14:01 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Thu Jan 11 14:14:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning tip Message-ID: <7aac8040701111414v5607ebe1o1a56245915ae4c59@mail.gmail.com> Back in November, I took at trip to Propst Farm in NC and found some decent corundum crystals. Propst Farm has the stickiest, reddest clay I have ever dug in and this clay is very hard to remove from the crystals. I found that using Plasti-Tak (or any other of the "teacher's tack" brands), you can press the tack into the crystal and remove to get the little bits of mud from the crevices. I also cleaned some of my small quartz crystals and even cleaned a specimen of Crabtree emerald (it actually removed some of the flakier schist too). I suppose this would work with a wide assortment of specimens, provided you are very gentle with the delicate ones. Just thought I would pass this along to anyone who might be interested. Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jan 11 14:50:08 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jan 11 14:51:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cleaning tip In-Reply-To: <7aac8040701111414v5607ebe1o1a56245915ae4c59@mail.gmail.com > References: <7aac8040701111414v5607ebe1o1a56245915ae4c59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070111124712.042f2d58@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Sounds like a good idea. And I found (from a tip from Axel) that if any tack (Mineral Tack included) gets stuck in a crevice that a squirt of WD-40 or other light oil will dissolve the tack so it can be blotted and washed off. Aloha, Kitty At 12:14 PM 1/11/2007, you wrote: >Back in November, I took at trip to Propst Farm in NC and found some decent >corundum crystals. Propst Farm has the stickiest, reddest clay I have ever >dug in and this clay is very hard to remove from the crystals. I found that >using Plasti-Tak (or any other of the "teacher's tack" brands), you can >press the tack into the crystal and remove to get the little bits of mud >from the crevices. I also cleaned some of my small quartz crystals and even >cleaned a specimen of Crabtree emerald (it actually removed some of the >flakier schist too). I suppose this would work with a wide assortment of >specimens, provided you are very gentle with the delicate ones. > >Just thought I would pass this along to anyone who might be interested. > >Drew > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Jan 9 19:36:36 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu Jan 11 16:46:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel channel - cash and treasure Message-ID: <001d01c73468$7054fe90$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Hey Earl: Great show on Sterling Hill and the fluorescents! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jan 11 17:12:38 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:12:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: <200701102146.l0ALkU1a007865@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200701102146.l0ALkU1a007865@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070111151028.042fed28@mail.hawaiiantel.net> To quote A. A. Milne: When we got home, we had sand in the hair, In the eyes and the ears and everywhere; Whenever a good nor'wester blows, Christopher is found with Sand-between-the-toes.  (from When We Were Very Young) Aloha, Kitty It's not just in or on your shoes! I remember getting sand down the shorts when vacationing in the San Diego area when I was a kid. Ouch, that didn't feel good. A shower in the motel was always a relief, but I bet all that sand in the plumbing drove the motel owners crazy! :-) Of course, most beaches in the tourist areas have the quick showers near the parking lots. Bob --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jan 11 17:28:52 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:28:53 2007 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! Message-ID: Just shoes? I usually get at least a cup full of the stuff in my vehicle off people and towels! LOL! Glenn From: albalmer@att.nethttp://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701090376 And from a radio report I heard this morning there is apparently a State lawhere in Florida providing up to six months in jail for removing beach sand.I suspect this is intended to prevent contractors from removing truck load quantities of sand but they decided to apply it to a few grams. Does that mean you have to clean your shoes before leaving the beach? Al Balmer Sun City, AZ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. Ho-Ho-Ho! _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From info at agatesfromargentina.com Thu Jan 11 18:10:12 2007 From: info at agatesfromargentina.com (AGATES from ARGENTINA) Date: Thu Jan 11 18:10:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: A Tucson Invitation (John and Gloria Cornish) Message-ID: <000e01c735ee$cd62eed0$cc8759c8@xp3gigapro> Dear John and Gloria Cornish : We definitely will visit you at the "INN SUITES" room number 186. And wish you all the luck in the World. Through some of your articles , reports and comments , we have learned a lot. Ricardo & Claudia Birnie AGATES FROM ARGENTINA www.agatesfromargentina.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Jan 11 20:13:42 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Jan 11 20:13:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation References: <45A64B95.9000305@tenforward.com> Message-ID: <017d01c73600$0bf3dea0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> I'll see you there. I'll e staying at the motel 6 Airport. 27-29 Steve keep on Rockin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" To: "Drizzle" Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation > Hi Everyone, > > Just a quick note, an invitation actually, I'll soon be out the door and > would like to invite all of you to come visit me at the big Tucson Show. >>From January 23rd - February 11th, I'll be in my room, number 186, at > the Inn Suites, and it would be great to meet you and say hello. This is > going to be a terrific show this year (as always) and I'm hearing so many > positive things that I can't hardly wait to get there! I'll keep the case > displays lit and will have a smile ready when you arrive! > > All the very best everyone, be safe in your travels! > > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Jan 11 20:57:28 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Jan 11 20:57:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: A Tucson Invitation (John and Gloria Cornish) References: <000e01c735ee$cd62eed0$cc8759c8@xp3gigapro> Message-ID: <01d401c73606$29164ee0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> I'll see you both. On the 27 or 28 prob. Steve keep on Rockin ----- Original Message ----- From: "AGATES from ARGENTINA" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: A Tucson Invitation (John and Gloria Cornish) Dear John and Gloria Cornish : We definitely will visit you at the "INN SUITES" room number 186. And wish you all the luck in the World. Through some of your articles , reports and comments , we have learned a lot. Ricardo & Claudia Birnie AGATES FROM ARGENTINA www.agatesfromargentina.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Jan 11 21:37:16 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 11 21:37:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation Message-ID: Have a good trip, John, and I'll look forward to seeing you down there! Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Jan 11 21:58:59 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Jan 11 21:59:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! References: Message-ID: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> LOL I go home with sand in my bathing suit everytime we go to the beach....hmmmm. Who's inspecting? Jeanette Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! > Probably true, I'm sure they'll be hiring beach sand removal inspectors to > check everyone on the way off the beach. They'll fund it with a beach > access > fee. > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jan 12 04:53:48 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jan 12 04:53:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <001501c73648$b3e51af0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> > I go home with sand in my bathing suit everytime we go to the > beach....hmmmm. > Who's inspecting? Need a manager , Jeanette? I only take 15 % on ticket sales. ROFLMBH Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: vrijdag 12 januari 2007 6:59 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! > > LOL > I go home with sand in my bathing suit everytime we go to the > beach....hmmmm. > Who's inspecting? > Jeanette > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! > > > > Probably true, I'm sure they'll be hiring beach sand removal > > inspectors to check everyone on the way off the beach. > They'll fund it > > with a beach access fee. > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Jan 12 05:20:48 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 12 05:21:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation Message-ID: To all, And I meant to add, for those who are in Tucson and "still around" for the main show at the Convention Center, please stop by and say hello, I'll be at our USGS booth upstairs in the Galleria area, along with the other nonprofit booths. Pete Modreski, Denver, Colorado, and the USGS --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jan 12 06:35:21 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jan 12 06:35:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earl V is a TV star :) In-Reply-To: <000001c734bb$0ed5f4a0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20070110043623.037e5860@orerockon.com> <000001c734bb$0ed5f4a0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <001e01c73656$e3a70650$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Hey Earl, Rumor has it that someone's getting Hollywood ambitions ;-)))) Would that show appear on the Discovery Channel some day? I'd like to see it! Cheers Axel From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Fri Jan 12 08:22:06 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:22:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: A Tucson Invitation (John and Gloria Cornish) In-Reply-To: <000e01c735ee$cd62eed0$cc8759c8@xp3gigapro> References: <000e01c735ee$cd62eed0$cc8759c8@xp3gigapro> Message-ID: <45A7B5AE.20309@tenforward.com> Hi Ricardo and Claudia, As equally we wish you both safe and easy travels and a wildly successful show! Thank you for your kind comments, I've tried my best! See you soon! John AGATES from ARGENTINA wrote: >Dear John and Gloria Cornish : >We definitely will visit you at the "INN SUITES" room number 186. >And wish you all the luck in the World. >Through some of your articles , reports and comments , we have learned a lot. >Ricardo & Claudia Birnie >AGATES FROM ARGENTINA >www.agatesfromargentina.com > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Fri Jan 12 08:32:14 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:32:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A7B80E.4050204@tenforward.com> Same back at ya Pete! It'll be nice to say hello again. Since last we met, you've really shared of yourself fantastically here on the list and I guess I'm just taking this moment to publicly embarrass ya by showering praise on ya in front of everyone for a job well done! Thank you for your contributions! See you soon and all the very best! John Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Have a good trip, John, and I'll look forward to seeing you down there! > >Pete > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From westaustralianstoneprojects at iinet.net.au Thu Jan 11 20:12:07 2007 From: westaustralianstoneprojects at iinet.net.au (West Australian Stone Projects) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:37:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] diaspore, tashmarine, pezzotaite rough needed Message-ID: <5etm1m$2d5ikl@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony13.iinet.net.au> Hello there I have just viewed your request for Pezzotaite on the internet we now have available this product with some 6x4mm specimens for sale and 1 large specimen with very translucent Pezzotaite in it at least 1 gram if interested you can contact us on the below details. Kind Regards Shayne Williams West Australian Stone Projects 37 Lenzo Ct, Gnangara,Perth, WA 6065 TEL/FAX: +61 8 94045544 MOBILE: +61 0439699736 E-MAIL: westaustralianstoneprojects@iinet.net.au --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Nancy at the-hausers.com Fri Jan 12 07:35:21 2007 From: Nancy at the-hausers.com (Nancy Hauser) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:37:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: [The Rockhounds List] Petrified Forest fossil wood display References: <000001c73652$13006680$6400a8c0@TheHausers.local> Message-ID: I took a continuing education course with a NH state geologist. He had wonderful mineral maps that he gave out - huge poster-sized. He said that there were no sedimentary rocks in NH, but we do have a piece of Africa as part of the coastline. Maine has some fossils, but not petrified wood, as far as I know. I went to a site in MA to look for fossils, but it was a horrible part of the city. The river that supposedly had the fossils in it was polluted and the banks covered in trash. And there were strange people hanging around. We didn't stay long, and didn't find any fossils. ________________________________ From: RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Alan Silverstein Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 9:00 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com; RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Rockhounds List] Petrified Forest fossil wood display (Following up on previous email -- not sure on which of two rocks-related lists it came up, so I'm sending to both to be safe. :-) Is there petrified wood in NH? ("There is no sedimentary rock in the state.") I emailed to the Petrified Forest NP folks and got back this nice reply: I've attached an image of the US petrified wood display at Petrified Forest National Park. According to my records, petrified wood is thought to come from Lebanon and West Canaan, NH. I'd recommend contacting a state university with a geology department, the United States Geologic Survey (USGS) at a state office, or just do a web search to find out more. If you'd like to view the image (54 Kb), I saved it here: http://users.frii.com/ajs/photos/PetrifiedForestDisplay.jpg What's interesting is that I see HI and AK, but it appears there are no specimens for ME or VT! I inquired back about that. Also I'm surprised there's fossil wood in (all-volcanic) HI. Maybe ash-entombed? Cheers, Alan Silverstein __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos Links to other topical email lists and discussion groups for rockhounds you may find to be of interest are at: http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/llist5.shtml The user command addresses for the RockhoundsList are: Subscribe: RockhoundsList-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Post message: RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: RockhoundsList-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! 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GeoCities Share More Create a blog, web site, and more. . __,_._,___ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From j&gcornish at tenforward.com Fri Jan 12 08:37:38 2007 From: j&gcornish at tenforward.com (John and Gloria Cornish) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:37:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation In-Reply-To: <017d01c73600$0bf3dea0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> References: <45A64B95.9000305@tenforward.com> <017d01c73600$0bf3dea0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <45A7B952.70307@tenforward.com> Hi Steve, Travel safe! I'm counting the days! I hope that others here from the list can also make the trip to Tucson this year (if you love this hobby, you really deserve to treat yourself to the show!) and if they're able, that they stop by and say hi. It's a crazy fun time made all the more so by meeting and sharing the experience with friends! All the very best everyone, take care, John Steve & Marilyn wrote: > I'll see you there. I'll e staying at the motel 6 Airport. 27-29 > Steve keep on Rockin > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Gloria Cornish" > > To: "Drizzle" > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:37 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] A Tucson Invitation > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Just a quick note, an invitation actually, I'll soon be out the door >> and would like to invite all of you to come visit me at the big >> Tucson Show. >> >>> From January 23rd - February 11th, I'll be in my room, number 186, at >> >> the Inn Suites, and it would be great to meet you and say hello. This >> is going to be a terrific show this year (as always) and I'm hearing >> so many positive things that I can't hardly wait to get there! I'll >> keep the case displays lit and will have a smile ready when you arrive! >> >> All the very best everyone, be safe in your travels! >> >> John >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jan 12 08:44:31 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Jan 12 08:45:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: diaspore, tashmarine, pezzotaite rough needed References: <5etm1m$2d5ikl@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony13.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <005601c73668$f48b5860$0300a8c0@Notebook> Please note that Shayne is not a list member so contact off-list. John Siebel ADMIN Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "West Australian Stone Projects" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] diaspore, tashmarine, pezzotaite rough needed > Hello there > > > > I have just viewed your request for Pezzotaite on the internet we now have > available this product with some 6x4mm specimens for sale and 1 large > specimen with very translucent Pezzotaite in it at least 1 gram if > interested you can contact us on the below details. > > > > Kind Regards > > Shayne Williams > > West Australian Stone Projects > 37 Lenzo Ct, Gnangara,Perth, WA 6065 > > > TEL/FAX: +61 8 94045544 > MOBILE: +61 0439699736 > E-MAIL: westaustralianstoneprojects@iinet.net.au > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jan 12 09:00:56 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jan 12 09:00:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (wasPEERs) In-Reply-To: <45A1C7A5.2273@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45A1C7A5.2273@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002201c7366b$3a387e90$6601a8c0@AxelHP> This one got lost in the fuzz of the hollydays ;-)) Too much bubbles, I guess > Our motivations may differ, but we're all just trying to > understand the Universe we live in. I'm looking forward to > when we can all agree on HOW, and WHY, it all works the way it does. I agree with you Kreigh but I fear that we won't live to see that day. There will always be those who don't want to know or even hinder science because they fear that it threathens their beliefs. It was indeed Monseigneur LeMa?tre who first thought of Big Bang. In 1936, he was elected a member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, where he became the president in March 1960, remaining so until his death. We Belgians do stuff, don't we ;-))))))) Have you ever read "The first three minutes" by Steven Weinberg? Then try "The dancing Wu-Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. Having read those, and Hawking and lots of other stuff, I thought I had a pretty good idea of how nature works. I even made a speech (2h 15 min!) about how the chemical elements that compose our precious minerals resulted from big bang and stellar activity... It was applauded by two professors no less! Then I read Brian Greene's "The fabric of the Cosmos" and realized that I knew so little that I was litterally embarrassed for being so presumptious before to pretend that I knew so much. Not that I told anything wrong... Just that I had could have phrased it so much better and with deeper insight after reading that book (twice ;-))). Axel From kadok at infowest.com Fri Jan 12 09:01:25 2007 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Jan 12 09:01:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <003001c7366b$4b9958d0$0200a8c0@kadok> Yes, Jeanette -- I reckon a guy would have to pay a pretty penny to secure an inspector's job! <;-}} Margaret LOL I go home with sand in my bathing suit everytime we go to the beach....hmmmm. Who's inspecting? Jeanette Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! > Probably true, I'm sure they'll be hiring beach sand removal inspectors to > check everyone on the way off the beach. They'll fund it with a beach > access > fee. > > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lanny at lrream.com Fri Jan 12 09:42:05 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jan 12 09:42:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest fossil wood display In-Reply-To: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com> Apparently there is a mistaken idea about petrified wood; from this message thread I'm getting the feeling that some people believe petrified wood only occurs in sedimentary rocks. That is not true, out west, it is common (I believe probably more like mostly) occurs in volcanic rock. The well known petrified wood deposits of Oregon and Washington are volcanic in origin. Most of those in Idaho and probably most of those in Nevada. Petrified wood is found in many kinds of volcanic rock: in lava flows, in lavas that flowed into water, in ash deposits and other types of volcanic rock. Petrified wood in Hawaii might be from wood that was engulfed by a lava flow (standing forest). Often when this happens, a goodly portion of the tree is burned, but part of it remains. If the flow is then buried by another flow, the remaining wood may become petrified. Or it may have have originated in a lake sediment between flows (do these deposits exist in Hawaii?). Regards, Lanny On Jan 11, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Alan Silverstein wrote: > (Following up on previous email -- not sure on which of two > rocks-related lists it came up, so I'm sending to both to be safe. :-) > > Is there petrified wood in NH? ("There is no sedimentary rock in the > state.") I emailed to the Petrified Forest NP folks and got back this > nice reply: > > I've attached an image of the US petrified wood display at Petrified > Forest National Park. According to my records, petrified wood is > thought to come from Lebanon and West Canaan, NH. I'd recommend > contacting a state university with a geology department, the United > States Geologic Survey (USGS) at a state office, or just do a web > search to find out more. > > If you'd like to view the image (54 Kb), I saved it here: > > http://users.frii.com/ajs/photos/PetrifiedForestDisplay.jpg > > What's interesting is that I see HI and AK, but it appears there are no > specimens for ME or VT! I inquired back about that. Also I'm > surprised > there's fossil wood in (all-volcanic) HI. Maybe ash-entombed? > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 12 10:17:36 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Jan 12 10:16:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: [The Rockhounds List] Petrified Forest fossil wooddisplay References: <000001c73652$13006680$6400a8c0@TheHausers.local> Message-ID: <001801c73675$f0420300$d544294b@LarryRush> Nancy: There have been several spots in Mass. where dinosaur footprints have been found, in the Connecticut River Valley Triassic and Jurassic shales. Many of the New England museums have prints from Mass. and Connecticut and there is at least one private museum near Amherst that has a display of locally collected prints. The best museum for these is the excellent Dinosaur State Park in Conn. where the prints are displayed in situ under a permanent shelter.These were discovered about 35 years ago on State land.The older localities booklets and state bulletins list the sites where good prints were to be found. But these were all collected many years ago, and I'm not aware of recent finds. I have a self-collected foot-print found in Conn. some years ago on my site.(www.ConnRoxMinerals.com). Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Hauser" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: [The Rockhounds List] Petrified Forest fossil wooddisplay I took a continuing education course with a NH state geologist. He had wonderful mineral maps that he gave out - huge poster-sized. He said that there were no sedimentary rocks in NH, but we do have a piece of Africa as part of the coastline. Maine has some fossils, but not petrified wood, as far as I know. I went to a site in MA to look for fossils, but it was a horrible part of the city. The river that supposedly had the fossils in it was polluted and the banks covered in trash. And there were strange people hanging around. We didn't stay long, and didn't find any fossils. ________________________________ From: RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Alan Silverstein Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 9:00 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com; RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The Rockhounds List] Petrified Forest fossil wood display (Following up on previous email -- not sure on which of two rocks-related lists it came up, so I'm sending to both to be safe. :-) Is there petrified wood in NH? ("There is no sedimentary rock in the state.") I emailed to the Petrified Forest NP folks and got back this nice reply: I've attached an image of the US petrified wood display at Petrified Forest National Park. According to my records, petrified wood is thought to come from Lebanon and West Canaan, NH. I'd recommend contacting a state university with a geology department, the United States Geologic Survey (USGS) at a state office, or just do a web search to find out more. If you'd like to view the image (54 Kb), I saved it here: http://users.frii.com/ajs/photos/PetrifiedForestDisplay.jpg What's interesting is that I see HI and AK, but it appears there are no specimens for ME or VT! I inquired back about that. Also I'm surprised there's fossil wood in (all-volcanic) HI. Maybe ash-entombed? Cheers, Alan Silverstein __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos Links to other topical email lists and discussion groups for rockhounds you may find to be of interest are at: http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/llist5.shtml The user command addresses for the RockhoundsList are: Subscribe: RockhoundsList-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Post message: RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: RockhoundsList-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * 10 New Members * 9 New Photos Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS * Earth science textbook * Earth science product * Earth science Yahoo! News Movies News All the latest on films and stars Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. Y! GeoCities Share More Create a blog, web site, and more. . __,_._,___ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From ajs at frii.com Fri Jan 12 11:47:58 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Fri Jan 12 11:48:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] followup 2 about PFNP wood display Message-ID: <20070112194758.5EADD4D290@io.frii.com> Another email from the person at PFNP says: That display dates back to the late 1930s, put together by the Civilian Conservation Corps. Maine is the only state that doesn't have a sample, but I believe there is actually p-wood in Maine. They didn't address the apparent lack of a sample for Vermont, but oh well. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From geenet at centurytel.net Fri Jan 12 14:40:26 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jan 12 14:40:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! References: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <003001c7366b$4b9958d0$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <003101c7369a$a8590be0$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> IF they did start monitoring the importation of Florida beach sand, I can just see the line forming now for applications.....all the retired males in Sandestin. Don't know if it was legal or not, but I spirited home a small bit of Hawaiian black sand, a few grains of the "green sand" and for the knowing, some from the Red Sand beach. Interesting pictures too. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Malm" > Yes, Jeanette -- > I reckon a guy would have to pay a pretty penny to secure an inspector's > job! <;-}} > > Margaret > > LOL > I go home with sand in my bathing suit everytime we go to the > beach....hmmmm. > Who's inspecting? > Jeanette > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! > > >> Probably true, I'm sure they'll be hiring beach sand removal inspectors >> to >> check everyone on the way off the beach. They'll fund it with a beach >> access >> fee. >> From geenet at centurytel.net Fri Jan 12 14:46:36 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jan 12 14:46:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com> Message-ID: <003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Speaking of Hawaii...what kind of rocks other than volcanic are there on Hawaii?? Isn't that an oxymoron? Non-volcanic rocks in Hawaii?? I know where a beautiful crystal of either olivine or peridot is. It was a large (over an inch) very transparent crystal of green embedded in solid rock. Impossible to remove, but nice to look at and admire. Jeanette > Petrified wood in Hawaii might be from wood that was engulfed by a lava > flow (standing forest). Often when this happens, a goodly portion of the > tree is burned, but part of it remains. If the flow is then buried by > another flow, the remaining wood may become petrified. Or it may have have > originated in a lake sediment between flows (do these deposits exist in > Hawaii?). > > Regards, > > Lanny > > From geenet at centurytel.net Fri Jan 12 17:00:45 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Jan 12 17:00:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! References: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <001501c73648$b3e51af0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <006c01c736ae$42b6e3c0$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> > Need a manager , Jeanette? > I only take 15 % on ticket sales. > ROFLMBH > > Axel > Ha Ha, you'd starve to death! From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 12 17:50:41 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 12 17:33:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com> <003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net> Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > Speaking of Hawaii...what kind of rocks other than volcanic are there on > Hawaii?? Isn't that an oxymoron? Non-volcanic rocks in Hawaii?? Jeanette, While the focus of geology in Hawaii is igneous, they also have sedementary and metamorphic too. I have two specimens of calcite from Hawaii. There are coral deposits on the islands that are quarried (one of my calcites came out of one of them). Kreigh From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri Jan 12 18:41:03 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri Jan 12 18:41:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! In-Reply-To: <200701130202.l0D22Xej021667@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out about PELE's curse. But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? (sigh) tina Message: 20 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:40:26 -0600 From: "Jeanette Wimpee" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Don't know if it was legal or not, but I spirited home a small bit of Hawaiian black sand, a few grains of the "green sand" and for the knowing, some from the Red Sand beach. Interesting pictures too. Jeanette --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 18:53:58 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jan 12 18:54:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! In-Reply-To: <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200701130202.l0D22Xej021667@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oddly, the area of Florida that the story referred to could well have red beach sand. I know up around Sarasota, a bit to the North, the sand is red. It's a combination of pulverized red rocks and crushed shells. BK On 1/12/07, tango juli wrote: > > Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little > film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could > find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of > volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out about > PELE's curse. > But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? > (sigh) > tina > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jan 12 19:10:06 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jan 12 19:10:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! In-Reply-To: <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200701130202.l0D22Xej021667@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112165349.0499cc90@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Red Sand Beach is on Maui. If you google you'll find several sites as well as some pictures (though not Jeanette's, of course). The red color is very like that of red cinder (there's a whole road paved with it here on the Big Island), as well as the rich clay soil that makes such good farming here (like sugar, coffee, pineapple). Several years ago some enterprising souls observed that this dirt on clothing is nearly impossible to launder out, so they dyed a bunch of T-shirts with the stuff and founded Red Dirt Shirts: [ http://www.dirtshirt.com/ ] I'm not sure what causes the red color (iron?), but I've seen it in lava flows here, as well as nearly all the roadside soil. Aloha, Kitty At 04:41 PM 1/12/2007, you wrote: >Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little >film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could >find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of >volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out >about PELE's curse. > But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? > (sigh) > tina From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 12 19:32:57 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 12 19:16:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (wasPEERs) References: <45A1C7A5.2273@Tomaszewski.net> <002201c7366b$3a387e90$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <45A84EE6.5BC4@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, Too many bubbles is self correcting (and occasionally therapeutic ;). Have you read 'Constructing the Universe' by David Layzer? The more I read, the less I find I know. But trying to understand our universe is great fun. Minerals give great clues. We just need to understand them at a deeper level; I wish I had a better understanding. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > This one got lost in the fuzz of the hollydays ;-)) Too much bubbles, I > guess > > > Our motivations may differ, but we're all just trying to > > understand the Universe we live in. I'm looking forward to > > when we can all agree on HOW, and WHY, it all works the way it does. > > I agree with you Kreigh but I fear that we won't live to see that day. There > will always be those who don't want to know or even hinder science because > they fear that it threathens their beliefs. > It was indeed Monseigneur LeMa?tre who first thought of Big Bang. > In 1936, he was elected a member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, > where he became the president in March 1960, remaining so until his death. > We Belgians do stuff, don't we ;-))))))) > > Have you ever read "The first three minutes" by Steven Weinberg? > Then try "The dancing Wu-Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. > > Having read those, and Hawking and lots of other stuff, I thought I had a > pretty good idea of how nature works. I even made a speech (2h 15 min!) > about how the chemical elements that compose our precious minerals resulted > from big bang and stellar activity... It was applauded by two professors no > less! > Then I read Brian Greene's "The fabric of the Cosmos" and realized that I > knew so little that I was litterally embarrassed for being so presumptious > before to pretend that I knew so much. Not that I told anything wrong... > Just that I had could have phrased it so much better and with deeper insight > after reading that book (twice ;-))). > > Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 12 19:50:45 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 12 19:33:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! References: <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A85310.47E1@Tomaszewski.net> "Pele's Curse" only applies to those that don't honor and appreciate the offerings from the Earth; most Rockhounds are exempt. I would also like to learn more about the red sand. Kreigh tango juli wrote: > > Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out about PELE's curse. > But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? > (sigh) > tina > > > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:40:26 -0600 > From: "Jeanette Wimpee" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Don't know if it was legal or not, but I spirited home a small bit of > Hawaiian black sand, a few grains of the "green sand" and for the > knowing, > some from the Red Sand beach. Interesting pictures too. > Jeanette > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jan 12 21:16:19 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jan 12 21:16:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112191208.049cf2d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> We---in Hawaii---just got a tsunami warning on TV and radio due to an 8.4 earthquake in the Kuriles. Kitty From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Jan 12 21:20:55 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 12 21:21:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles Message-ID: Wow, 8.4, that's big. Like the 2004 (HOW could it have been that long ago???) Indonesia quake, a preliminary estimate of 8.4 could turn out to be even bigger. I'm still up, I'll get on my USGS email inbox & look at the earthquake notice that must be there. Thanks for letting us know! I think you are on high enough ground not to worry yourselves, Kitty! Do you think they'll evacuate the waterfront areas in the islands, because of this? I forget how long exactly it would take for a tsunami to travel from the Kuriles to Hawaii--a number of hours, I would guess. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Fri Jan 12 21:31:46 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 12 21:31:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles Message-ID: Kitty, I see that the USGS earthquake bulletin gives the mag. as 7.7 It says the depth of focus was 10 km; that's shallow, which is more likely to generate a tsunami. Let us know what else you hear! Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 22:33:41 2007 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scotts Rock & Gem) Date: Fri Jan 12 22:33:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heterosite Message-ID: Dear Rockhounds: Had someone ask me if I had any heterosite. I don't, so I thought I would put out the feelers to the list. Please feel free to email me at: spocksrocks@hotmail.com Thanks very much. Warm Regards - Scott Blair --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Fri Jan 12 22:56:03 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Fri Jan 12 22:56:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112191208.049cf2d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112191208.049cf2d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <45A88283.6090603@arczip.com> Here is praying that you will be safe. Chuck Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > We---in Hawaii---just got a tsunami warning on TV and radio due to an > 8.4 earthquake in the Kuriles. > > Kitty > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Jan 13 00:13:10 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 13 00:13:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112214731.049c3e20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I've been checking various news sites on the web including USGS and get from 8.4 to 7.7. We live at 1200 ft altitude so we're not in danger, but we've called several friends who live right on the water and offered them our house as refuge! But on Public Radio I just heard that the warning has been cancelled...so I guess we're OK. We sincerely hope no lives are lost anywhere! Aloha, Kitty At 07:20 PM 1/12/2007, you wrote: >Wow, 8.4, that's big. Like the 2004 (HOW could it have been that long >ago???) Indonesia quake, a preliminary estimate of 8.4 could turn out to >be even >bigger. I'm still up, I'll get on my USGS email inbox & look at the >earthquake notice that must be there. Thanks for letting us know! > >I think you are on high enough ground not to worry yourselves, Kitty! Do >you think they'll evacuate the waterfront areas in the islands, because of >this? I forget how long exactly it would take for a tsunami to travel >from the >Kuriles to Hawaii--a number of hours, I would guess. > >Pete > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kcbaran at arczip.com Sat Jan 13 00:28:57 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sat Jan 13 00:26:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112214731.049c3e20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112214731.049c3e20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <45A89849.10308@arczip.com> I heard on the local news that in ASlaska the tsunami wave was just under 18 inches. Chuck Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > I've been checking various news sites on the web including USGS and > get from 8.4 to 7.7. We live at 1200 ft altitude so we're not in > danger, but we've called several friends who live right on the water > and offered them our house as refuge! But on Public Radio I just > heard that the warning has been cancelled...so I guess we're OK. We > sincerely hope no lives are lost anywhere! > > Aloha, Kitty > > > At 07:20 PM 1/12/2007, you wrote: > >> Wow, 8.4, that's big. Like the 2004 (HOW could it have been that long >> ago???) Indonesia quake, a preliminary estimate of 8.4 could turn >> out to be even >> bigger. I'm still up, I'll get on my USGS email inbox & look at the >> earthquake notice that must be there. Thanks for letting us know! >> >> I think you are on high enough ground not to worry yourselves, >> Kitty! Do >> you think they'll evacuate the waterfront areas in the islands, >> because of >> this? I forget how long exactly it would take for a tsunami to >> travel from the >> Kuriles to Hawaii--a number of hours, I would guess. >> >> Pete >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From jerrybs at frii.com Sat Jan 13 06:46:05 2007 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sat Jan 13 06:52:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest fossil wood display Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113064515.04667e50@frii.com> All wood that is older than 10K years is fossil wood. Technically, wood that can be id as a species is called petrified wood. Although, every rockhound who is not a wood nut will call it petrified wood. Casts of wood, filled or empty, are considered to be a fossil. Hawaii has casts of wood. Jerry Sorensen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/07 From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 13 06:55:55 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jan 13 06:55:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! In-Reply-To: <20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <204203.49572.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Pele's Curse" was an invention of the chamber of commerce and National Park tour guides in the 1930's to discourage tourists from removing lava, etc. It has no basis in the Hawaiian religion. I'm sure Kitty can amplify on this. Jim tango juli wrote: Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out about PELE's curse. But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? (sigh) tina Message: 20 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:40:26 -0600 From: "Jeanette Wimpee" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Don't know if it was legal or not, but I spirited home a small bit of Hawaiian black sand, a few grains of the "green sand" and for the knowing, some from the Red Sand beach. Interesting pictures too. Jeanette --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jerrybs at frii.com Sat Jan 13 07:35:43 2007 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sat Jan 13 07:42:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest fossil wood display In-Reply-To: <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com> References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113073100.04660210@frii.com> For wood to fossilize, it needs acidic and anaerobic conditions. The lava flows and ash provide the acid. Jerry Sorensen WA At 09:42 AM 1/12/07, you wrote: >Apparently there is a mistaken idea about petrified wood; from this >message thread I'm getting the feeling that some people believe >petrified wood only occurs in sedimentary rocks. That is not true, >out west, it is common (I believe probably more like mostly) occurs >in volcanic rock. The well known petrified wood deposits of Oregon >and Washington are volcanic in origin. Most of those in Idaho and >probably most of those in Nevada. > >Petrified wood is found in many kinds of volcanic rock: in lava >flows, in lavas that flowed into water, in ash deposits and other >types of volcanic rock. > >Petrified wood in Hawaii might be from wood that was engulfed by a >lava flow (standing forest). Often when this happens, a goodly >portion of the tree is burned, but part of it remains. If the flow >is then buried by another flow, the remaining wood may become >petrified. Or it may have have originated in a lake sediment between >flows (do these deposits exist in Hawaii?). > >Regards, > >Lanny -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/07 From kadok at infowest.com Sat Jan 13 10:20:24 2007 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Jan 13 10:20:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112191208.049cf2d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112191208.049cf2d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <001d01c7373f$7e9ec470$0200a8c0@kadok> The USGS earthquake website just shoswd a 7.4 in the kuriles--- Hope you don't get a tsunami! Margaret >We---in Hawaii---just got a tsunami warning on TV and radio due to an 8.4 >earthquake in the Kuriles. >Kitty -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jan 13 14:56:33 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jan 13 14:56:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: <45A89849.10308@arczip.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112214731.049c3e20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> <45A89849.10308@arczip.com> Message-ID: <001101c73766$121cfcf0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Always glad to hear you're OK Kitty & Bill. Chuck, Tsunamis don't have to be big to be real killers. It's the fact that they keep coming and coming and coming that makes them dangerous. A breaking wave on a shore can be meters high and swipe you of your feet or worse but it IS gone in seconds. A tsunami of only 18 inches can be a hundred kilometers long... That is a mountain of water and all of it's width comes ashore when it strikes. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Charles Baran > Verzonden: zaterdag 13 januari 2007 9:29 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles > > I heard on the local news that in ASlaska the tsunami wave > was just under 18 inches. Chuck From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jan 13 15:07:49 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jan 13 15:07:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (wasPEERs) In-Reply-To: <45A84EE6.5BC4@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45A1C7A5.2273@Tomaszewski.net><002201c7366b$3a387e90$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45A84EE6.5BC4@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001501c73767$a58674c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Yo Kreigh, > Too many bubbles is self correcting (and occasionally > therapeutic ;). Good one! The wife says: lame excuse ;-))) > Have you read 'Constructing the Universe' by David Layzer? Not yet... I'll look it up when I get a chance. > The more I read, the less I find I know. But trying to > understand our universe is great fun. Amen (in a neutral sort of way ;-) to that! (LOL) > Minerals give great clues. We just need to understand them at > a deeper level; I wish I had a better understanding. We are trying... That should count for something. BTW: if the universe has an Author, isn't it copyrighted then? There! That should rattle up those beievers in the "multi-universe" or "multiverse" theory... Bedtime over here! Sleep well. Axel From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jan 13 15:11:35 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jan 13 15:11:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sand collectors beware! In-Reply-To: <006c01c736ae$42b6e3c0$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <010201c7360e$c19ef290$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A><001501c73648$b3e51af0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <006c01c736ae$42b6e3c0$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <001601c73768$2c3d9bb0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> > > Need a manager , Jeanette? > > I only take 15 % on ticket sales. > > ROFLMBH > > > > Axel > > > > Ha Ha, you'd starve to death! Hmm, poor but honest as they say. I could loose a few pounds, don't worry. Axel From kcbaran at arczip.com Sat Jan 13 18:49:54 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sat Jan 13 18:47:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: <001101c73766$121cfcf0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070112214731.049c3e20@mail.hawaiiantel.net> <45A89849.10308@arczip.com> <001101c73766$121cfcf0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <45A99A52.5020804@arczip.com> Axel: Thanks. I had no idea. Chuck Axel Emmermann wrote: >Always glad to hear you're OK Kitty & Bill. > > >Chuck, >Tsunamis don't have to be big to be real killers. It's the fact that they >keep coming and coming and coming that makes them dangerous. >A breaking wave on a shore can be meters high and swipe you of your feet or >worse but it IS gone in seconds. A tsunami of only 18 inches can be a >hundred kilometers long... That is a mountain of water and all of it's width >comes ashore when it strikes. > >Cheers > >Axel > > > >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Charles Baran >>Verzonden: zaterdag 13 januari 2007 9:29 >>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles >> >>I heard on the local news that in ASlaska the tsunami wave >>was just under 18 inches. Chuck >> >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 13 19:06:24 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 13 19:03:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comet McNaught Now Visible in Broad Daylight Message-ID: <45A99D73.20F3@Tomaszewski.net> Time to stop looking down at the ground for rocks. Sky watchers are now reporting the brightest comet in over 30 years took a dramatic leap into the history books today, becoming visible in broad daylight. If you block the sun with the edge of a building even the tail is visible according to the reports. Information about the comet can be found at http://www.space.com/spacewatch/070112_ns_comet_mcnaught.html And if you are socked in by clouds like I am, the above page has a link to the SOHO website where you can see near real-time images. It will pass within 1 degree of the planet Mercury tomorrow morning at 10:55 EST. Comets are dirty snowballs evaporating in the heat of the Sun. The rocks left behind when they have melted away give us some of our best meteor showers. It would be a gas to go rock collecting on a comet and bring back some rare specimens . Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 13 20:45:55 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jan 14 05:54:16 2007 Subject: OT: [Rockhounds] Scientific Method and geological record (wasPEERs) References: <45A1C7A5.2273@Tomaszewski.net><002201c7366b$3a387e90$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45A84EE6.5BC4@Tomaszewski.net> <001501c73767$a58674c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <45A9B4B8.4B3@Tomaszewski.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > BTW: if the universe has an Author, isn't it copyrighted then? There! That > should rattle up those beievers in the "multi-universe" or "multiverse" > theory... Axel, I like the concept, but I prefer to think the universe was invented, so patent law applies. In either case the universe is old enough that the copyright/patent has expired, and we can all freely enjoy the benefits of the original creative work, to the best of our understanding. Kreigh From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sun Jan 14 11:06:26 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Sun Jan 14 10:59:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking news at the Tucson Electric Park Learning Center In-Reply-To: <001801c73675$f0420300$d544294b@LarryRush> References: <000001c73652$13006680$6400a8c0@TheHausers.local> <001801c73675$f0420300$d544294b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <4dc395b4e356bd43cf94163a133bd2f1@nbnet.nb.ca> Hi everyone Here are some recent developments over the past two days for the Electric Park Learning Center in Tucson. A further workshop on gem carving, by Dick Friesen will be added to the schedule. Two beading presentations are in the works but not yet confirmed. Carol Bova of the "Eclectic Lapidary" has offered to act as Learning Center chaperone. Her supervisory presence in turn allows Diamond Pacific and Graves to place demonstration machines for public use at non presentation times. Now you can come and cut and chat pretty much all day long when there's not a workshop on the go. Do keep checking for updates. www.electricparklearningcenter.com Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From smtravis at plateautel.net Sun Jan 14 13:09:13 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sun Jan 14 13:11:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking news at the Tucson Electric Park LearningCenter References: <000001c73652$13006680$6400a8c0@TheHausers.local><001801c73675$f0420300$d544294b@LarryRush> <4dc395b4e356bd43cf94163a133bd2f1@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <048c01c73820$3e394cc0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> Hans do you have a schedule of what is going on the first three days sat sun mon ? our trip will be short but I'd love to drop in and see the small stone carving if there is a class any of those three days. Great Idea and thanks for doing all the hard work of getting it organized and set up BRAVO eh. Steve Look forward to meeting you all there and Carol too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Durstling" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking news at the Tucson Electric Park LearningCenter > Hi everyone > > Here are some recent developments over the past two days for the Electric > Park Learning Center in Tucson. > > A further workshop on gem carving, by Dick Friesen will be added to the > schedule. Two beading presentations are in the works but not yet > confirmed. > > Carol Bova of the "Eclectic Lapidary" has offered to act as Learning > Center chaperone. Her supervisory presence in turn allows Diamond Pacific > and Graves to place demonstration machines for public use at non > presentation times. Now you can come and cut and chat pretty much all day > long when there's not a workshop on the go. > > Do keep checking for updates. > > www.electricparklearningcenter.com > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Sun Jan 14 13:36:56 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Sun Jan 14 13:29:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking news at the Tucson Electric Park LearningCenter In-Reply-To: <048c01c73820$3e394cc0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> References: <000001c73652$13006680$6400a8c0@TheHausers.local><001801c73675$f0420300$d544294b@LarryRush> <4dc395b4e356bd43cf94163a133bd2f1@nbnet.nb.ca> <048c01c73820$3e394cc0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <3963203ac89a38d53f624ee3f1285f05@nbnet.nb.ca> Yes absolutely. To see what's going on on the first three days - or any other days- just click on the "schedule"page of the web site www.electricparklearningcenter.com That's the current presentation line-up. Trouble is - or is it a blessing? opinions differ - the instant communication which internet and email enable also make ongoing changes and additions easy to handle. So again, do please keep checking for modifications. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada =========== On 14-Jan-07, at 5:09 PM, Steve & Marilyn wrote: > Hans do you have a schedule of what is going on the first three days > sat sun mon ? our trip will be short but I'd love to drop in and see > the small stone carving if there is a class any of those three days. > Great Idea and thanks for doing all the hard work of getting it > organized and set up BRAVO eh. Steve Look forward to meeting you all > there and Carol too. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Durstling" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:06 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking news at the Tucson Electric Park > LearningCenter > > >> Hi everyone >> >> Here are some recent developments over the past two days for the >> Electric Park Learning Center in Tucson. >> >> A further workshop on gem carving, by Dick Friesen will be added to >> the schedule. Two beading presentations are in the works but not yet >> confirmed. >> >> Carol Bova of the "Eclectic Lapidary" has offered to act as Learning >> Center chaperone. Her supervisory presence in turn allows Diamond >> Pacific and Graves to place demonstration machines for public use at >> non presentation times. Now you can come and cut and chat pretty much >> all day long when there's not a workshop on the go. >> >> Do keep checking for updates. >> >> www.electricparklearningcenter.com >> >> Cheers, >> Hans Durstling >> Moncton, Canada >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jan 14 14:00:49 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jan 14 14:00:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Breaking news at the Tucson Electric Park LearningCenter In-Reply-To: <3963203ac89a38d53f624ee3f1285f05@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <000001c73652$13006680$6400a8c0@TheHausers.local> <001801c73675$f0420300$d544294b@LarryRush> <4dc395b4e356bd43cf94163a133bd2f1@nbnet.nb.ca> <048c01c73820$3e394cc0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> <3963203ac89a38d53f624ee3f1285f05@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070114115903.03c47f80@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I just looked at the website and schedule, and it looks great. A wonderful concept. I'm not into lapidary but it makes me wish I could go there and watch. A great service, Hans. Aloha, Kitty At 11:36 AM 1/14/2007, you wrote: >Yes absolutely. To see what's going on on the first three days - or any >other days- just click on the "schedule"page of the web site > >www.electricparklearningcenter.com > >That's the current presentation line-up. Trouble is - or is it a blessing? >opinions differ - the instant communication which internet and email >enable also make ongoing changes and additions easy to handle. So again, >do please keep checking for modifications. > >Cheers, >Hans Durstling >Moncton, Canada From ajs at frii.com Sun Jan 14 15:27:58 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Sun Jan 14 15:28:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comet McNaught Now Visible in Broad Daylight In-Reply-To: <45A99D73.20F3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20070114232758.C36384D2CF@io.frii.com> > Sky watchers are now reporting the brightest comet in over 30 years > took a dramatic leap into the history books today, becoming visible in > broad daylight. Rats. And here in eastern Colorado we are having unusually cold and overcast weather. It's so cold, the dihydrogen monoxide is solidifying and becoming an apparently permanent part of the landscape. It's been cloudy so long, it feels like days, wait, it HAS been a few days. (Slightly more seriously, we had the first big blizzard start on Dec 20, and two more since then, with mountains of snow remaining everywhere. Today, it's snowing again, and the high is in the single digits again. Sigh.) Alan Silverstein From geenet at centurytel.net Sun Jan 14 16:42:16 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Jan 14 16:42:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com><003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000801c7383e$02e83a50$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> I guess the older islands have been around long enough to make rock out of sediment, or buried coral. I just didn't see any evidence of any other rock type while we were there. Is there sedimentary rock on the Big Island too? Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii > While the focus of geology in Hawaii is igneous, they also have > sedementary and metamorphic too. > > I have two specimens of calcite from Hawaii. There are coral deposits on > the islands that are quarried (one of my calcites came out of one of > them). > > Kreigh > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jan 14 17:27:42 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jan 14 17:21:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com><003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net> <000801c7383e$02e83a50$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <45AAD715.2BA2@Tomaszewski.net> Jeanette, Yes. One of my calcites came from the Big Island. Kreigh Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > I guess the older islands have been around long enough to make rock out of > sediment, or buried coral. I just didn't see any evidence of any other rock > type while we were there. Is there sedimentary rock on the Big Island too? > Jeanette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii > > > While the focus of geology in Hawaii is igneous, they also have > > sedementary and metamorphic too. > > > > I have two specimens of calcite from Hawaii. There are coral deposits on > > the islands that are quarried (one of my calcites came out of one of > > them). > > > > Kreigh > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Jan 14 19:09:49 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Jan 14 19:09:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles Message-ID: I really learned a lot studying reports and pictures of the Indonesian sunami. I had a concept of a huge mountainous tower wave hundreds of feet tall and breaking with massive downward force of water. After seeing lots of video of that event, it is apparent that the wave or waves really are massive but are spread over many square miles of ocean. And it was very graphic that the wave(s) flowed inland and continued to flow for lonnng time. I think strom surges from hurricanes like Katrina are similar in many ways but actually do build to heights of 20 to 30 feet as they come ashore. Hurricanes Katrina and Ivan did damage to 20 foot high and higher concrete bridges well inland from the mouths of rivers and bays. At least one professor described the effect by explainig the volume of water was traveling at a more or less set rate of speed but grew in height as the width of the river or bay narrowed, sort of like a backwards funnel. This leads to a wave growing quickly in height as it moves up the "V" of the bay or river. And if a sunami 2 feet high enters a bay 5000 feet wide at the mouth and 100 feet wide at a bridge, (50 times narrower than the mouth) it might result in a 100 foot deep flood at the bridge! WOW! Glenn > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:49:54 -0800> From: kcbaran@arczip.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles> > Axel: Thanks. I had no idea. Chuck> > Axel Emmermann wrote:> > >Always glad to hear you're OK Kitty & Bill. > >> >> >Chuck,> >Tsunamis don't have to be big to be real killers. It's the fact that they> >keep coming and coming and coming that makes them dangerous.> >A breaking wave on a shore can be meters high and swipe you of your feet or> >worse but it IS gone in seconds. A tsunami of only 18 inches can be a> >hundred kilometers long... That is a mountain of water and all of it's width> >comes ashore when it strikes.> >> >Cheers> >> >Axel> >> > > >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> >>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >>[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Charles Baran> >>Verzonden: zaterdag 13 januari 2007 9:29> >>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >>collectors> >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles> >>> >>I heard on the local news that in ASlaska the tsunami wave > >>was just under 18 inches. Chuck> >> > >>> >> > > >> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Jan 14 19:22:04 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Jan 14 19:22:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sunami Message-ID: I am very happy to hear the Kuriles sunami was not a killer, at least as far as I've heard so far. Aloha to Kitty and Bill! BTW, what is your average high and low temp at 1200 feet? Betcha it is really nice. And to all....Apologies for not snipping a lot of my last post. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 19:30:24 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Jan 14 19:30:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in Kuriles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have heard this before but all those videos put up on the web (of the Indonesian wave) showed the wave to be more of a surge, a rapidly incoming tide of extreme height and speed type effect. But I think the sea bottom topography makes a big difference and with just the right sea floor profile you might get a breaking wave effect. It is well known that ships might not even notice a tsunami going by if they are in deep water. BK On 1/14/07, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > I really learned a lot studying reports and pictures of the Indonesian > sunami. > > I had a concept of a huge mountainous tower wave hundreds of feet tall and > breaking with massive downward force of water. > > After seeing lots of video of that event, it is apparent that the wave or > waves really are massive but are spread over many square miles of ocean. And > it was very graphic that the wave(s) flowed inland and continued to flow for > lonnng time. > > I think strom surges from hurricanes like Katrina are similar in many ways > but actually do build to heights of 20 to 30 feet as they come ashore. > > Hurricanes Katrina and Ivan did damage to 20 foot high and higher concrete > bridges well inland from the mouths of rivers and bays. At least one > professor described the effect by explainig the volume of water was > traveling at a more or less set rate of speed but grew in height as the > width of the river or bay narrowed, sort of like a backwards funnel. > > This leads to a wave growing quickly in height as it moves up the "V" of > the bay or river. > > And if a sunami 2 feet high enters a bay 5000 feet wide at the mouth and > 100 feet wide at a bridge, (50 times narrower than the mouth) it might > result in a 100 foot deep flood at the bridge! > > WOW! > Glenn > > > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:49:54 -0800> From: kcbaran@arczip.com> To: > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Earthquake in > Kuriles> > Axel: Thanks. I had no idea. Chuck> > Axel Emmermann wrote:> > > >Always glad to hear you're OK Kitty & Bill. > >> >> >Chuck,> >Tsunamis > don't have to be big to be real killers. It's the fact that they> >keep > coming and coming and coming that makes them dangerous.> >A breaking wave on > a shore can be meters high and swipe you of your feet or> >worse but it IS > gone in seconds. A tsunami of only 18 inches can be a> >hundred kilometers > long... That is a mountain of water and all of it's width> >comes ashore > when it strikes.> >> >Cheers> >> >Axel> >> > > >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk > bericht-----> >>Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >>[mailto: > rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Charles Baran> >>Verzonden: > zaterdag 13 januari 2007 9:29> >>Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing > list for rock and gem > >>collectors> >>Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] > Earthquake in Kuriles> >>> >>I heard on the local news that in ASlaska the > tsunami wave > >>was just under 18 inches. Chuck> >> > >>> >> > > >> > > --- > StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzleMailing List> Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with > a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ > Try amazing new 3D maps > http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Sun Jan 14 20:17:11 2007 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sun Jan 14 20:17:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tucson Electric Park Message-ID: <1C954F77-229E-4BA2-A489-8FB88263446B@cox.net> Hans, What an incredible lineup. I know Carol Bova to be wonderfully knowledgeable and a great asset to the Learning Center. Dick Friesen is a marvelous Lapidariast and Carver, I am so happy to know I can meet up with him there. These are wonderful additions, thank you so much. Terrie From geenet at centurytel.net Sun Jan 14 20:19:35 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Jan 14 22:21:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com><003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net><000801c7383e$02e83a50$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AAD715.2BA2@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000001c7386d$6f200a70$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Where did you find it? We find calcite inside fossils seashells down in Florida. Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii > Jeanette, > > Yes. One of my calcites came from the Big Island. > > Kreigh > > From llbullbull at hotmail.com Mon Jan 15 08:34:57 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Mon Jan 15 08:35:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH In-Reply-To: <459F2461.1D9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Do know when this will happen? Larry Bull >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, >NH >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:35:15 -0500 > >My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go >camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). > >It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in >where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. > >I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does >anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or >off List? > >Thanks! > >Kreigh > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will win? http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Jan 15 12:10:20 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jan 15 12:10:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sunami In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070115100223.03c305c8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I've not read or heard of any fatalities or significant damage from the earthquake or tsunami. We seldom get temps above 78 F nor below 55. It's 65 and drizzling right now. To get this back to rocks (sort of) it's been raining here steadily all over the state for about three weeks, and therefore rock slides have been occurring from road cuts. That makes for rather dangerous driving especially at night. Not very interesting rocks, though. Basalt, basalt, and more basalt. Aloha, Kitty At 05:22 PM 1/14/2007, you wrote: >I am very happy to hear the Kuriles sunami was not a killer, at least as >far as I've heard so far. Aloha to Kitty and Bill! BTW, what is your >average high and low temp at 1200 feet? Betcha it is really nice. >Glenn From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jan 15 15:28:59 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:19:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH References: Message-ID: <45AC0C0B.1463@Tomaszewski.net> Not yet decided. The original date in early August didn't work for everyone so now we're looking at either the last full week in June, or the week after the 4th of July. But in getting six households to agree, those dates could end up changing too. Kreigh Lawrence Bull wrote: > > Do know when this will happen? > > Larry Bull > > >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, > >NH > >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:35:15 -0500 > > > >My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go > >camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). > > > >It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in > >where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. > > > >I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does > >anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or > >off List? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Kreigh > > From geenet at centurytel.net Sun Jan 14 20:12:13 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:37:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! References: <200701130202.l0D22Xej021667@bubbleator.drizzle.com><20070113024103.84671.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20070112165349.0499cc90@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <000201c738fe$18d9bd00$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Well..after a lengthy search I can't find my digital pictures of the Red Sand Beach. They're out there in digital limbo somewhere....probably my old computer under my desk. We hiked the very narrow and slippery trail to Red Sand Beach. A very small secluded "beach" in a cove under a several hundred foot cliff of red lava. I'd use the term beach loosely, coming from the sandy beaches of the Gulf Coast. It was mostly ground up lava and very hard on the bare feet. The beach is famous for nude sunbathing, and there WAS nudity there. Most of the nudes there would have looked a lot better dressed. Some of these brave nudies swam out to the rocky barrier between the BIG waves of the ocean and the sheltered cove and climbed up on the rocks to sunbath. I had a very nice photo looking back over cove from the trail above showing the red cliff towering over the beach, the cove and the rocky barrier and a teeny weeny nudie laying on a rock. That would be one of the pictures that's lost. That figures... We came to snorkel in the cove which was relatively calm compared to the waves pounding the barrier rocks. I had a hilarious time getting started. If someone had had a video camera, it would have been on America's Funniest Videos. I didn't want to put on my flippers and try to walk the sandy gravel...or gravelly sand down to the water's edge, so I gingerly made my way to the water, even with diving shoes on, the gravel hurt my feet. At the edge of the water the rocks were anywhere from 2 to 6 inches in size, and not easy to traverse either. I tried to sit down and put my flippers on....big mistake. The big waves outside the cove were channeling tons of water thru a narrow opening into the cove. The little waves hitting the beach were maybe a foot...but the suction of all that water being pushed in and sucked out of the cove made them feel like 8 foot waves. The first one that hit me after I sat down and picked one foot up rolled me over like a beach ball. After recovering my flippers and my pride, I waded out a little farther into the ICE COLD Pacific Ocean..and tried standing on one foot to put on the flippers. Nope, that didn't work, I'd hop along on one foot with the surges, six feet out...then six feet in..then out again, trying to maintain my balance on the now 6 to 12 inch BOULDERS on the bottom. Glenn was already out there with his head under water looking at the fishes, and there I was yelling at him to come back and help me. He finally came back, but trying to stand in one place and hang on to me while I hung onto him trying to put the darn flippers on in the surges was about as easy as sitting on the edge. I think I finally held my breath, floated downward and pulled them on. By that time I was too worn out to snorkel very long and the water was too cold for me to stay in so I crawled out of the water and schlepped back to our mats and sat in the sun and uh...looked at the scenery. So if you're ever in Hawaii....take the Hana road which is an adventure all my itself, slip thru the cabins behind the Hana Hotel, and take the trail to the Red Sand Beach. The scenery is worth the trip. Jeanette < red sand--DO Tell! > Red Sand Beach is on Maui. If you google you'll > find several sites as well as some pictures (though not Jeanette's, of > course). The red color is very like that of red cinder (there's a whole > road paved with it here on the Big Island), as well as the rich clay soil > that makes such good farming here (like sugar, coffee, pineapple). > Several years ago some enterprising souls observed that this dirt on > clothing is nearly impossible to launder out, so they dyed a bunch of > T-shirts with the stuff and founded Red Dirt Shirts: > [ http://www.dirtshirt.com/ ] > I'm not sure what causes the red color (iron?), but I've seen it in lava > flows here, as well as nearly all the roadside soil. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 04:41 PM 1/12/2007, you wrote: >>Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little >>film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could >>find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of >>volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out >>about PELE's curse. >> But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? >> (sigh) >> tina From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 15 17:30:07 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 15 17:30:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] red sand--DO Tell! Message-ID: OK, I now have to add my 2 cents and it'll likely cost me a bunch more... First I totally agree with Jeanette's Red Sand Beach "report". Most of the bathers would have looked a lot better fully clothed....but there were a couple that did catch my eye...LOL! As Jeanette said, the trail is treacherous, in places high over jagged rocks, and slippery with mud and sand, and it did take a good bit of effort to get into the water and to the good snorkeling area, but for me it paid off. We had friends who lived in Hana then, and my VeriZon buddy and his wife kept a close eye on us mainlanders in the washing machine waters of the cove. As she said, Jeanette didn't stay in the cool water long. She really likes HOT baths. The cove is fairly small but the rocks and fishes were beautiful. I used a throw away camera to take my first pictures of Moorish Idols in the wild, plus lots of others including Humuhumunukunukuapua'a. The best were at the mouth of the rocky cove, and my companions kept a close eye on me from afar on the beach as I in my bright orange dive shirt bobbed up and down enjoying the underwater scenery. It seemed the rush of water was slower and the waves more even at the mouth. I was awestruck with the beauty of the fish and the rock formations. When I finally realized Jeanette had gone ashore, I reluctantly and slowly made my way back to the beach, exhausting myself and the rest of the film in my camera. The red lava cliff and the other igneous rocks above and below the water were beautiful as well as fascinating. And the sand was very course compared to the sugar sand along our gulf coast. And with variety being the spice of life, the black, red, green, and other colored sand beaches of the islands of Hawaii added much to our experiences locally at the "World's Most Beautiful Beaches". And I brought home a fist size chunk of red pumice and a black chunk, each attached to a bromeliads. Purchased ostensibly for the plants. Kitty's suggestion to Google "red sand beach" revealed links with great professional pictures of the cove. Mahalo again to Kitty! Wish we had known ya'll then! And for those who might be curious, our party, all of us far beyond our 20s, remained respectfully clothed. Glenn From: geenet@centurytel.net Well..after a lengthy search I can't find my digital pictures of the Red Sand Beach. They're out there in digital limbo somewhere....probably my old computer under my desk. We hiked the very narrow and slippery trail to Red Sand Beach. A very small secluded "beach" in a cove under a several hundred foot cliff of red lava. I'd use the term beach loosely, coming from the sandy beaches of the Gulf Coast. It was mostly ground up lava and very hard on the bare feet. The beach is famous for nude sunbathing, and there WAS nudity there. Most of the nudes there would have looked a lot better dressed. Some of these brave nudies swam out to the rocky barrier between the BIG waves of the ocean and the sheltered cove and climbed up on the rocks to sunbath. I had a very nice photo looking back over cove from the trail above showing the red cliff towering over the beach, the cove and the rocky barrier and a teeny weeny nudie laying on a rock. That would be one of the pictures that's lost. That figures... We came to snorkel in the cove which was relatively calm compared to the waves pounding the barrier rocks. I had a hilarious time getting started. If someone had had a video camera, it would have been on America's Funniest Videos. I didn't want to put on my flippers and try to walk the sandy gravel...or gravelly sand down to the water's edge, so I gingerly made my way to the water, even with diving shoes on, the gravel hurt my feet. At the edge of the water the rocks were anywhere from 2 to 6 inches in size, and not easy to traverse either. I tried to sit down and put my flippers on....big mistake. The big waves outside the cove were channeling tons of water thru a narrow opening into the cove. The little waves hitting the beach were maybe a foot...but the suction of all that water being pushed in and sucked out of the cove made them feel like 8 foot waves. The first one that hit me after I sat down and picked one foot up rolled me over like a beach ball. After recovering my flippers and my pride, I waded out a little farther into the ICE COLD Pacific Ocean..and tried standing on one foot to put on the flippers. Nope, that didn't work, I'd hop along on one foot with the surges, six feet out...then six feet in..then out again, trying to maintain my balance on the now 6 to 12 inch BOULDERS on the bottom. Glenn was already out there with his head under water looking at the fishes, and there I was yelling at him to come back and help me. He finally came back, but trying to stand in one place and hang on to me while I hung onto him trying to put the darn flippers on in the surges was about as easy as sitting on the edge. I think I finally held my breath, floated downward and pulled them on. By that time I was too worn out to snorkel very long and the water was too cold for me to stay in so I crawled out of the water and schlepped back to our mats and sat in the sun and uh...looked at the scenery. So if you're ever in Hawaii....take the Hana road which is an adventure all my itself, slip thru the cabins behind the Hana Hotel, and take the trail to the Red Sand Beach. The scenery is worth the trip. Jeanette Kitty wrote: red sand--DO Tell! Red Sand Beach is on Maui. If you google you'll find several sites as well as some pictures (though not Jeanette's, of course). The red color is very like that of red cinder (there's a whole road paved with it here on the Big Island), as well as the rich clay soil that makes such good farming here (like sugar, coffee, pineapple). Several years ago some enterprising souls observed that this dirt on clothing is nearly impossible to launder out, so they dyed a bunch of T-shirts with the stuff and founded Red Dirt Shirts: [ http://www.dirtshirt.com/ ] I'm not sure what causes the red color (iron?), but I've seen it in lava flows here, as well as nearly all the roadside soil. Aloha, Kitty At 04:41 PM 1/12/2007, you wrote: Red sand beach? The Unknowing? That would be ME! I brought back a little film canister of as many shades of white to black and green sand I could find from Hawaii (my bad). I was delighted at all the very cool kinds of volcanics and took a couple small samples. That was BEFORE I found out about PELE's curse. But where did I miss the red and what caused it? Where are the pics? (sigh) tina _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Mon Jan 15 13:51:02 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jan 15 17:43:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: HI weather In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070115100223.03c305c8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070115100223.03c305c8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20070115134017.03cee970@orerockon.com> I will never forget staying at Kilauea Military Camp in 1995. The temps were darn close to freezing at night (this in summer) at around 4000 feet (as I recall lol). We, of course, being touristas, had windbreakers for cold weather clothing. Brrrrrrr At 12:10 PM 1/15/2007, you wrote: I've not read or heard of any fatalities or significant damage from the earthquake or tsunami. We seldom get temps above 78 F nor below 55. It's 65 and drizzling right now. To get this back to rocks (sort of) it's been raining here steadily all over the state for about three weeks, and therefore rock slides have been occurring from road cuts. That makes for rather dangerous driving especially at night. Not very interesting rocks, though.  Basalt, basalt, and more basalt. Aloha, Kitty At 05:22 PM 1/14/2007, you wrote: I am very happy to hear the Kuriles sunami was not a killer, at least as far as I've heard so far. Aloha to Kitty and Bill! BTW, what is your average high and low temp at 1200 feet? Betcha it is really nice. Glenn Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. nospam@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com Mon Jan 15 18:51:40 2007 From: anotherbrightidea at hotmail.com (Douglas Turet) Date: Mon Jan 15 18:51:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sunami Message-ID: Hi Kitty, Just out of curiosity... what _color_ is that basalt of yours, and how dense (i.e. non-porous) is it? All the best, Doug Douglas Turet, GJ Turet Design, LLC P. O. Box 242 Avon, MA 02322 U.S.A. Tel. (508) 586-5690 Fax: (508) 586-5677 Email: anotherbrightidea.AT.hotmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:10:20 -1000 From: Kitty & Bill Heacox Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Sunami To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070115100223.03c305c8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've not read or heard of any fatalities or significant damage from the earthquake or tsunami. We seldom get temps above 78 F nor below 55. It's 65 and drizzling right now. To get this back to rocks (sort of) it's been raining here steadily all over the state for about three weeks, and therefore rock slides have been occurring from road cuts. That makes for rather dangerous driving especially at night. Not very interesting rocks, though. Basalt, basalt, and more basalt. Aloha, Kitty _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 15 19:59:35 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 15 19:59:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: HI weather Message-ID: LOL! It really pays to be forewarned. One of Jeanette's former employers recommended a trip up Haleakala to watch the sunrise. He told us it gets really cold up that high. We wore layers and layers including jeans, sweats, and windbreakers. Most of the other tourists were seriously shivering in their very light clothes and thin windbreakers. It was near 70F as we left sea level and below 40F at near 10K feet and the wind was brisk. The park has a viewing stand, and a hill of big lava boulders also provides a great viewing point overlooking the crater. The sunrise was awesome! So are the rocks and silver sword plants. It warmed quickly then and our extra layers came off. And snow was on the top of Muana Kea at around 14K feet. Spectacular! I wanna go back to the islands....and to Tuscon...and Deming...Colorado...Utah...West Coast...Alaska...(HEAVY SIGH.) Glenn From: tim@orerockon.com I will never forget staying at Kilauea Military Camp in 1995. The temps were darn close to freezing at night (this in summer) at around 4000 feet (as I recall lol). We, of course, being touristas, had windbreakers for cold weather clothing. Brrrrrrr _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.? Get a customized station.? Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jan 15 20:41:02 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 15 20:31:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com><003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net><000801c7383e$02e83a50$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AAD715.2BA2@Tomaszewski.net> <000001c7386d$6f200a70$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <45AC5502.40AB@Tomaszewski.net> Jeanette, My nice small cabinet Hawaiian calcite specimen came from a quarry in Po'ipu, near the Hilton Hotel, on Kaua'i. My thumbnail calcite druze came from the rock shop in Hilo; the owner collected it on private property near Ka'u, on the Big Island. I keep the two specimens next to each other because I still can't decide which one should be displayed. BTW, I occasionally find calcite inside fossils (usually brachiopods) in Michigan too. Calcite shows up almost everywhere! Kreigh Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > Where did you find it? We find calcite inside fossils seashells down in > Florida. > Jeanette > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii > > > Jeanette, > > > > Yes. One of my calcites came from the Big Island. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Jan 15 23:12:03 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jan 15 23:12:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funny OT nude beach story (was) red sand--DO Tell! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070115164122.03c580f8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Back in 1975 Bill and I went to Kauai and hiked in to Kalalau Valley (Google lists some good descriptions and pictures). The trail was mostly narrow and often steep. Many people hike all the way in one day, but we stopped and camped at Hanakapiai Valley (also Googleable, so when we arrived at Kalalau it was only mid afternoon, not evening. We quickly observed that although most of the people were clothed, there was a group at the far end of the beach that were nude. They had all-over tans so it was obvious that they had been there for a long time, and might have been semi-permanent residents. We also saw some newcomers who were intrigued with the idea of removing clothes, but did not think about sunscreen...imagine pale white skin that has never been exposed to sun, and then a few hours later imagine those areas brilliant red. Ouch! As we descended the steep trail to the beach, an attractive girl maybe15 years old came running up from the far end of the beach to greet us. She was very friendly and clearly loved meeting people. She wore a simple short muu muu. After a while she ran back to the far end of the beach and took off her muu muu as she joined her fully tanned friends. We set up camp and a tarp to create a shady pavilion to sit and watch the waves...and the people. We noted that every time newcomers arrived, either via the trail or by boat through the surf, the pretty girl popped on her muu muu, left her nude companions, and ran to provide a greeting and some friendly chatter with the clothed visitors. The next day a huge army helicopter flew in and landed on the beach. We assumed they were looking for people growing marijuana up in the valley, because several men in camouflage fatigues, combat boots and carrying rifles climbed down the ladder and trotted up into the jungle. They left one young soldier to guard the helicopter. (Can you guess what's going to happen?) As the helicopter was landing, Little Miss Greeter threw on her muu muu and came running up the beach. By the time she arrived the other soldiers were gone, so she started talking animatedly with the one left on guard. After a while we saw the young man gesture up to the helicopter, as if he were saying, "Would you like to come aboard and take a look?" She gave a little jump of glee, clapped her hands, and began to climb the ladder. The soldier started to climb the ladder behind her. He looked up. Then he froze as he could see up under her muu muu. His feet slipped off the rungs and he nearly fell. He stopped, swallowed, and climbed carefully after her, while Bill and I were rolling in the sand with laughter! OK, not a rockhound story, but there was sand! ;) Aloha, Kitty At 03:30 PM 1/15/2007, you Glenn wrote: >Most of the bathers would have looked a lot better fully clothed....but >there were a couple that did catch my eye...LOL! From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Jan 16 00:06:56 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jan 16 00:07:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Petrified Forest in Hawaii In-Reply-To: <45AC5502.40AB@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com> <003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net> <000801c7383e$02e83a50$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AAD715.2BA2@Tomaszewski.net> <000001c7386d$6f200a70$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AC5502.40AB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070115211231.041a3bb8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> The owner of the Hilo rock shop, Morgen Bahurinsky, has calcite specimens from Oahu, Kauai and the Big Island. Some are large (basketball-sized, and quite expensive) and most are fist-sized or smaller. Some fluoresce white under LW UV. She says they are all from caves; some have the "cave formation" that I have observed from other locations, like stalactites from Lion Hill, Utah, or Druango, Mexico. I'm going way out on a limb that may expose my ignorance (I'm primarily an artist, not a scientist), but I wonder if this is what happened: we know that the Hawaiian Islands rose and sank over time, and perhaps what was once a coral reef was raised above sea level, then lava flowed over the coral, in some cases forming caves. Then rainwater leaked through the lava and created the calcite. Is that possible? Mostly off-topic: The shop owner, Morgen, is 58 years old, diminutive, feisty, and when she isn't buying, selling or collecting rocks, she loves to ride her bicycle. She has often cycled around the Big Island---that means as in circumference, not just here and there. To celebrate her mother's 90's birthday she rode 90 miles in one day. For her 55th birthday she thought 55 miles was too easy, so she did 110 instead. When Lance Armstrong chose to go for a 7th try at the Tour de France, Morgen wanted to join him. She didn't have the money, so she put a jar on the counter of her rock shop with a note that said, "Send Morgen to the Tour de France" and Guess What? She got enough money to pay for her trip! She packed her bike and went to France, "chased" the Tour, had a ball, and even met Sheryl Crow, Armstrong's then-girlfriend, on the side of the road. She's now decided to enter the 2008 triathalon in Kona; she figures she's got the cycling part wired, and she can run pretty well, but the swimming is a challenge. So she's spending her free time at the YWCA pool. She's just 6 years younger than I am, and she makes me tired just thinking about what she's doing! And BTW, her rock shop is pretty nice too. Aloha, Kitty At 06:41 PM 1/15/2007, Kreigh wrote: >My thumbnail calcite druze came from the rock shop in Hilo; the owner >collected it on private property near Ka'u, on the Big Island. > >Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > > > Where did you find it? We find calcite inside fossils seashells down in > > Florida. > > Jeanette From supersho at idirect.com Tue Jan 16 07:57:59 2007 From: supersho at idirect.com (SUPERSHOW Events) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:57:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. Message-ID: <006801c73987$1be96fc0$6400a8c0@bar0uonuu00p32> came across a listing for a field trip to Fort Drum (Ruck's Pit) on Feb 25 - 27 but there is no year on the listing. I suspect this is not for 2007 but wanted to know if there is one planned for this year in late February as I will be visiting the area from Canada around that time. I would absolutely LOVE to get in on this field trip so please send me any information you have on this. If there isn't a field trip scheduled do you recommend contacting the Pit directly to ask permission to visit? Thanks for any information you can give me. Hedy Hodgson Toronto, Canada supersho@idirect.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Jan 16 09:08:17 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Jan 16 09:11:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <006801c73987$1be96fc0$6400a8c0@bar0uonuu00p32> Message-ID: <003f01c73991$2b10a220$0300a8c0@Notebook> Note that Hedy is not a list member so respond off-list. John Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUPERSHOW Events" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. came across a listing for a field trip to Fort Drum (Ruck's Pit) on Feb 25 - 27 but there is no year on the listing. I suspect this is not for 2007 but wanted to know if there is one planned for this year in late February as I will be visiting the area from Canada around that time. I would absolutely LOVE to get in on this field trip so please send me any information you have on this. If there isn't a field trip scheduled do you recommend contacting the Pit directly to ask permission to visit? Thanks for any information you can give me. Hedy Hodgson Toronto, Canada supersho@idirect.com From XtalRabbit at aol.com Tue Jan 16 09:44:04 2007 From: XtalRabbit at aol.com (XtalRabbit@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 16 09:44:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. Message-ID: As a list member living in Florida, I would be interested in see the information on list. Lynn McKinney --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From BNMJEFF at aol.com Tue Jan 16 10:41:54 2007 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 16 10:42:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. Message-ID: Best bet would be to cal Eddie Ruck at the pit. His number is 813-634-4579. The G&MSPB does not have anything scheduled to the pit as of their December newsletter (_www.gemandmineral.cc_ (http://www.gemandmineral.cc) ) and the January one is not out yet. Jeff --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Tue Jan 16 12:46:34 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Tue Jan 16 12:39:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] N.B. Alabaster & Bay of Fundy Agate in Tucson In-Reply-To: <000001c7386d$6f200a70$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <20070111211554.2E7094D28F@io.frii.com> <5c8f03b8ccc226d07c2e1b3f3f07153a@lrream.com><003701c7369b$84d43900$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45A836FB.492C@Tomaszewski.net><000801c7383e$02e83a50$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AAD715.2BA2@Tomaszewski.net> <000001c7386d$6f200a70$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <6d418c1707d3ee8059432547ee88416d@nbnet.nb.ca> Hi everyone, A shameless sales pitch. Lord willing, truck willing, weather willing -and so forth- I'll be lugging about 1,000 lbs of New Brunswick "Silver Forest" alabaster to the Tucson show. It's in approximately 80lb to 200 lb chunks. Also two crates of Bay of Fundy agate rough. If any of you folks are heading to Tucson and might be interested, do look me up at the "Learning Center" at the Electric Park Show. www.electricparklearningcenter.com If you click on "presenters" in the above site you'll see a picture of me holding a bowl carved in this alabaster. If you'd like a more detailed photo or two of the alabaster (the agate is too varied) please email me off list. Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 14:20:00 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jan 16 14:20:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sierra Madera Astroblem Message-ID: I was googling for info on Barringer crater when I stumbled across this interesting article: < http://www.sibleynaturecenter.org/essays/moseying/locations/050209_sierramadera.html > I've been down that road several times and had no idea it was an impact crater. BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet at centurytel.net Tue Jan 16 16:24:05 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Tue Jan 16 16:24:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. References: <006801c73987$1be96fc0$6400a8c0@bar0uonuu00p32> Message-ID: <001801c739cd$ccbf8190$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> There are usually several trips to Fort Drum during the year. Check on the Southeast Federation website as they are usually the ones sponsoring them. It's www.amfed.org What you collect is mostly shells filled with amber colored calcite crystals. Jeanette Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. > came across a listing for a field trip to Fort Drum (Ruck's Pit) on Feb > 25 - 27 but there is no year on the listing. I suspect this is not for > 2007 but wanted to know if there is one planned for this year in late > February as I will be visiting the area from Canada around that time. I > would absolutely LOVE to get in on this field trip so please send me any > information you have on this. > If there isn't a field trip scheduled do you recommend contacting the Pit > directly to ask permission to visit? > Thanks for any information you can give me. > Hedy Hodgson > Toronto, Canada From BNMJEFF at aol.com Tue Jan 16 17:30:26 2007 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 16 17:30:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ft Drum Trip.....for any interested. Message-ID: Actually, Ruck's pit itself is closed, but the tailings are still producing some very good specimens, this from the Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches Newsletter. As I mentioned in a previous post, it is better to contact Eddie Rucks directly and find out if he will be the pit when you are inthe area. Jeff --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dnorris at frii.com Tue Jan 16 18:18:57 2007 From: dnorris at frii.com (Don Norris) Date: Tue Jan 16 18:19:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comet Help References: <006801c73987$1be96fc0$6400a8c0@bar0uonuu00p32> <001801c739cd$ccbf8190$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <45AD8791.2050509@frii.com> When the list was talking about the comet last week, or so, I did not pay much attention because I live in Estes Park, Colorado, and we have had nothing but clouds. Oh, about 5 feet of snow at my house! Anyway, we finally have a crystal clear night, so I was out in the 0 degree air looking for it, while shoveling. Is it still viewable and if it is, how about here in Colorado? And, if, which way should I be peeking in. Thanks in advance, Don Norris From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 18:34:54 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jan 16 18:34:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comet Help In-Reply-To: <45AD8791.2050509@frii.com> References: <006801c73987$1be96fc0$6400a8c0@bar0uonuu00p32> <001801c739cd$ccbf8190$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AD8791.2050509@frii.com> Message-ID: I'm not a 100% sure but I thought it was going below the northern horizon today and would only be visible in the southern hemisphere. http://skytonight.com/observing/home/5133461.html BK On 1/16/07, Don Norris wrote: > > When the list was talking about the comet last week, or so, I did not > pay much attention because I live in Estes Park, Colorado, and we have > had nothing but clouds. Oh, about 5 feet of snow at my house! Anyway, we > finally have a crystal clear night, so I was out in the 0 degree air > looking for it, while shoveling. Is it still viewable and if it is, how > about here in Colorado? And, if, which way should I be peeking in. > Thanks in advance, > Don Norris > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From info at agatesfromargentina.com Tue Jan 16 19:24:45 2007 From: info at agatesfromargentina.com (AGATES from ARGENTINA) Date: Tue Jan 16 19:24:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Agates from Argentina Message-ID: <000c01c739e7$0ad04b40$cc8759c8@xp3gigapro> Dear Forum : We hope to meet agate Collectors from the US during Tucson Mineral & Fossil Show. Therefore we extend an invitation for those who are interested in knowing about the latest finds made in the Patagonian Region and other new sources in Argentina ; there are many more agates than just the Commercially known as "Condor" type agates. During year 2005 , we attended to M?nich Fair with a booth where these new agates were exhibited , but since that date some more agate sources were found by Claudia (my wife) and me (Ricardo) during long and continuous trips , mainly to the Patagonian Region (about 2.400 kilometers from our home in Buenos Aires City). Here is the picture of our banner that tells you where we will be located (from January the 27th till the 8th of February). Please , join us there!! http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l102/patagonianstar/AdforArizonaMineralFossilShowDealer.jpg All our best wishes from very far and HOT Argentina! Ricardo & Claudia Birnie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jan 16 19:37:01 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jan 16 19:36:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH References: Message-ID: <45AD99D0.527E@Tomaszewski.net> Larry, It now looks like it will happen between July 11 and the 21st, and this is firming up quickly with my family. All, Are there any rockhounding events scheduled in or near NH between these dates that I might get to? Kreigh Lawrence Bull wrote: > > Do know when this will happen? > > Larry Bull > > >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >collectors" > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, > >NH > >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:35:15 -0500 > > > >My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go > >camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). > > > >It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in > >where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. > > > >I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does > >anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or > >off List? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Kreigh > > > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. ?Who will win? > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dnorris at frii.com Tue Jan 16 20:17:05 2007 From: dnorris at frii.com (Don Norris) Date: Tue Jan 16 20:17:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Comet Help References: <006801c73987$1be96fc0$6400a8c0@bar0uonuu00p32> <001801c739cd$ccbf8190$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> <45AD8791.2050509@frii.com> Message-ID: <45ADA341.5040707@frii.com> Thanks BK, I will take a look in that direction anyway. Don J Bryan Kramer wrote: > I'm not a 100% sure but I thought it was going below the northern horizon > today and would only be visible in the southern hemisphere. > > http://skytonight.com/observing/home/5133461.html > > BK From earlrock at nctv.com Wed Jan 17 04:33:21 2007 From: earlrock at nctv.com (Earl) Date: Wed Jan 17 04:33:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 6th Annual Winter Gathering of Micromounters Message-ID: <06a401c73a33$ba75bd90$6401a8c0@earlbasement> Reminder The 6th Annual Winter Gathering of Micromounters is scheduled Feb. 23rd and 24th, 2007 make plans and reservations early. More information is available here: http://home.nctv.com/earlrock/wintermicro/index.html >From the information that I have, there are fewer than 7 rooms still available at the village lodge. The theme of this gathering will be Lesser known mineral locations of the Southeast, and the Program Coordinator Julian Gray asks that anyone wishing to give an additional presentation contact him at juliang@weinmanmuseum.org Julian Gray, assisted by Dr. Henry Barwood, Don Reems, and Jason Smith will present the program, which will start Saturday morning at 9:00 A.M. regards to all, Earl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Jan 17 16:57:24 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Jan 17 16:57:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorspar district 2007 dig schedule Message-ID: <007101c73a9b$9e27aa50$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Here is the Clement Mineral Museum dig schedule for 2007 April 14 May 12 June 1,2,3 (coincides with the show)* July 14 August 11 September 11 October 13 * Dealer space is available. Most dates are near to new moon for the fluorescent night dig option. Space is limited to 30 per date. Private digs can be scheduled for 10 or more anytime. Ben E. Clement Mineral Museum P.O. Box 391, Marion, KY 42064 (270) 965-4263 beclement@kynet.biz www.ClementMineralMuseum.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From llbullbull at hotmail.com Wed Jan 17 17:44:27 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Wed Jan 17 17:44:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH In-Reply-To: <45AD99D0.527E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Unfortunately the shows are both before and after these dates i.e. the last full weekend in June is Gilsum, NH and the last full weekend of July is Burlington, VT; however, I do not know the Maine schedule of shows and I would think there must be one during this period. I may be around during this period of time for some collecting but it is possible that I will be in Michigan visiting my parents during this very same time period. Those plans have not been finalized as of this date. Take care, Larry Bull >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around >Barrington,NH >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:37:01 -0500 > >Larry, > >It now looks like it will happen between July 11 and the 21st, and this >is firming up quickly with my family. > >All, > >Are there any rockhounding events scheduled in or near NH between these >dates that I might get to? > >Kreigh > > > > > >Lawrence Bull wrote: > > > > Do know when this will happen? > > > > Larry Bull > > > > >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > >collectors" > > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > >collectors" > > >Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around >Barrington, > > >NH > > >Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:35:15 -0500 > > > > > >My sister has finally twisted my arm hard enough, and I've agreed to go > > >camping with her in NH this summer (from MI). > > > > > >It is still early in the negotiations, and I would like some say in > > >where we end up camping. I want to be able to do some Rockhounding. > > > > > >I need some suggestions for available collecting locations in NH. Does > > >anyone have any favored collecting locations I should consider, on or > > >off List? > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >Kreigh > > > > > >-- > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > >Subscription Services: > > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will win? > > >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jan 17 19:39:16 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 17 19:35:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Barrington, NH References: Message-ID: <45AEEB12.351E@Tomaszewski.net> Lawrence Bull wrote: > I may be around during this period of time for some collecting but it > is possible that I will be in Michigan visiting my parents during this > very same time period. Hmmm, would trading States for a week be the biggest Rockhound swap on the Internet? Kreigh From dpowell13 at rochester.rr.com Thu Jan 18 10:46:05 2007 From: dpowell13 at rochester.rr.com (Powell) Date: Thu Jan 18 10:45:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: Mineral Newsletter for Kids Message-ID: <000801c73b30$e9c55080$6601a8c0@Powell> This is an ad. Delete now if you do not want such a thing. Dear Rockhounds list, I am pleased to announce the launch of a monthly newsletter for kids about minerals: Mini Miners Monthly. The goal of Mini Miners Monthly is simply to provide useful, interesting and fun information about minerals to educate and encourage young collectors. Issues include articles about minerals and mineral collecting, coloring pages, biographies on special people in the mineral hobby, hints on finding a club, suggestions for good books and safe internet sites for mineral collectors, cartoons about minerals, word searches, crossword puzzles, crystal models and more. Mineral art and articles by children will be included as often as possible. In this electronic age, I will also be offering a "value added" feature with every subscription: Each subscriber that provides an email address will also receive by email at least one additional page or article each month. If you would like a complimentary advance copy of our very first issue (Vol. I, No.1), please email me offlist (at dpowell13@rochester.rr.com or diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) with your snail mail address and I will send one out to you right away for your review. Thank you for reading this far. I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes to one and all for a safe, successful and rewarding year in the mineral hobby. Darryl Powell Diamond Dan Publications Manchester, New York --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Jan 18 11:06:38 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Jan 18 11:06:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: Mineral Newsletter for Kids In-Reply-To: <000801c73b30$e9c55080$6601a8c0@Powell> References: <000801c73b30$e9c55080$6601a8c0@Powell> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:46:05 -0500, "Powell" wrote: >This is an ad. Delete now if you do not want such a thing. Not a problem as far as I'm concerned, Darryl. You've been striving to educate and interest kids about minerals for many years. I wish you success in this latest endeavor. > >Dear Rockhounds list, > I am pleased to announce the launch of a monthly newsletter for kids about minerals: Mini Miners Monthly. The goal of Mini Miners Monthly is simply to provide useful, interesting and fun information about minerals to educate and encourage young collectors. Issues include articles about minerals and mineral collecting, coloring pages, biographies on special people in the mineral hobby, hints on finding a club, suggestions for good books and safe internet sites for mineral collectors, cartoons about minerals, word searches, crossword puzzles, crystal models and more. Mineral art and articles by children will be included as often as possible. In this electronic age, I will also be offering a "value added" feature with every subscription: Each subscriber that provides an email address will also receive by email at least one additional page or article each month. > If you would like a complimentary advance copy of our very first issue (Vol. I, No.1), please email me offlist (at dpowell13@rochester.rr.com or diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) with your snail mail address and I will send one out to you right away for your review. > >Thank you for reading this far. I look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes to one and all for a safe, successful and rewarding year in the mineral hobby. > >Darryl Powell >Diamond Dan Publications >Manchester, New York -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Mon Jan 22 06:53:39 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (sinico@nbnet.nb.ca) Date: Mon Jan 22 06:53:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fabric Gun In Tucsom Message-ID: <20070122145340.KAIV9685.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp8.sympatico.ca> Hi Everyone, If anyone will have, or knows of someone who will have, one of those high pressure water-jet fabric guns for sale in Tucson, please email me off list. (They are used for mineral specimen cleaning among other things) Cheers, Hans Durstling On the road for Tucson somewhere in Mississippi From bigred at grantspass.com Mon Jan 22 10:06:50 2007 From: bigred at grantspass.com (Richard and Jan Arnold) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:06:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] tucson show Message-ID: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> I was wondering if anyone could give me inoframtion about the Tucson Show. Is it in more than one location? Most specifically if one has a limited time to attend what would be the best to see? Thank you Jan Arnold From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Mon Jan 22 10:18:37 2007 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Rick Trapp) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:18:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] tucson show In-Reply-To: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> References: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> Message-ID: <45B4FFFD.7060409@azgs.az.gov> There are almost 50 different shows this year. The only show that offers displays of the collections of many major museums and major collectors is the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show at the Tucson Convention Center Feb 8-11. All of the other shows are based on sales of materials only. You can't possibly in the 2.5 weeks of the show see everything. Decide what it is you are most interested in and concentrate on that. Every morning the Colored Stone Tucson Show Guide is delivered to every Show venue and you can check it online at http://www.colored-stone.com/tsg/ For minerals I would suggest Marty Zinn's shows, the show at Westward Look Resort and the Main Show, the 53rd Annual Tucson Gem and Mineral Show at the Tucson Convention Center, Feb 8-11. Yes, I am connected to the Main Show. I belong to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society, a local non-profit society whose goal is furthering education in the earth sciences. Richard and Jan Arnold wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could give me inoframtion about the Tucson > Show. Is it in more than one location? Most specifically if one has > a limited time to attend what would be the best to see? > > Thank you > > Jan Arnold > -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From bg at his.com Mon Jan 22 10:20:51 2007 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:19:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] tucson show In-Reply-To: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> References: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> Message-ID: <81fcad32864faadf8b423116e2476a93@his.com> dear jan, here is an online guide to the 40 or so shows. you can pick based on your interests. be aware you need wholesale credentials to get into most of the gem shows - agta, gjx, glda, etc. cathy On Jan 22, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Richard and Jan Arnold wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could give me inoframtion about the Tucson > Show. Is it in more than one location? Most specifically if one has > a limited time to attend what would be the best to see? > > Thank you > > Jan Arnold > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From bg at his.com Mon Jan 22 10:28:05 2007 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Mon Jan 22 10:26:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] tucson show In-Reply-To: <81fcad32864faadf8b423116e2476a93@his.com> References: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> <81fcad32864faadf8b423116e2476a93@his.com> Message-ID: <741bf9c3e61e9655f4bf4dbbcc2a59c0@his.com> i forgot the link http://www.tucsonshowguide.com/tsg/, but it has already been posted. cathy On Jan 22, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Catherine Gaber wrote: > dear jan, > > here is an online guide to the 40 or so shows. you can pick based on > your interests. be aware you need wholesale credentials to get into > most of the gem shows - agta, gjx, glda, etc. > > cathy > > On Jan 22, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Richard and Jan Arnold wrote: > >> I was wondering if anyone could give me inoframtion about the Tucson >> Show. Is it in more than one location? Most specifically if one has >> a limited time to attend what would be the best to see? >> >> Thank you >> >> Jan Arnold >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Mon Jan 22 16:23:44 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Mon Jan 22 16:25:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] tucson show References: <45B4FD3A.5080203@grantspass.com> Message-ID: <013201c73e84$bdfda3b0$7a9e5a40@marilyn> It is most definitly more than one show as a matter of fact it is more than 20 shows what are you interested in> The shows strech from this weekend till mid Feb. If you tell us what you may want rough, specimens, equipment etc. We can tell you which shows we think is best. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Jan Arnold" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] tucson show >I was wondering if anyone could give me inoframtion about the Tucson Show. >Is it in more than one location? Most specifically if one has a limited >time to attend what would be the best to see? > > Thank you > > Jan Arnold > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 22 20:31:10 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 22 20:31:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] rare minerals Message-ID: Hi, to the List, Just thought I'd write a short note as a followup to the series we had a couple of weeks ago, about rare minerals. A slightly amusing followup to that thread, was a question we had come to us at the USGS just this week, which I did my best to answer. A parent was writing on behalf of their daughter, who was trying to find information about a particular mineral, each student in the class evidently preparing a report on one mineral. And, her daughter was having a very tough time finding much information about her mineral, which was, treasurite (yes, there really is such a mineral). I never did ask exactly how or why she chose this mineral, or if it was assigned to her, but I kind of assume she chose it because it had an interesting-sounding name. So it turns out, that this is one of those really rare mineals, and also one of those that rarely (or maybe never) occurs in any recognizable crystal form; it just occurs as very small grains in an intergrown mixture with other, very similar minerals, and about the only way you can distinguish that you have "treasurite" at any given spot is by electron microprobe analysis, or X-ray diffraction. The type locality for treasurite happens to be in Colorado, at the Treasury Vault (or sometimes given as simply, Treasury, or Treasure) mine, which is variously described as being in either Park, Summit, or Clear Creek Counties. It's a very obscure mine, and is not shown on the topographic maps; it's near the Continental Divide (and near the common boundaries of those three counties). It was first described by two Danish mineralogists, Sven Karup-Moller and Emil Makovicky, in a 1977 paper in Neues Jahrbuch der Mineralogie, Abhandlungen, which has a title about as long as (you name it), and which I really pitied any student (I presume, a high school student, but I didn't know for sure) who was trying to read any of it--a graduate student would have a tough enough time. Treasurite, I might add, is a lead-bismuth-silver sulfosalt, and it occurs intimately intergrown with very similar, related minerals, such as gustavite and lillianite--none of these are household words, either. Anyway, I refered this and whatever other info I could find (there's very little) to the parent, along with copies of those pages of article with info about "treasurite", and apparently the student has been able to make something of it, because they said what I sent had been very helpful. So, as I said, this just turned out to be another good example of a very rare and obscure mineral. (I have no idea whether any "collector quality" specimens of treasurite exist, but I would doubt it; I think any sample would be in the "little black speck" category.) Mindat says it's been reported from one locality (each in Colorado (the type loc.), New Mexico, Romania, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan; though, I looked up the reference to the supposed New Mexico occurrence, it's vague, just mentioned by name only, no data. So, I would think treasurite would qualify as a "pretty rare mineral", and Kreigh, I would bet that it's probably among those 2/3 of all known minerals NOT in your collection! Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jan 22 22:21:44 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 22 22:14:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] rare minerals References: Message-ID: <45B5A7A9.1F80@Tomaszewski.net> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > So, I would think treasurite would qualify as a "pretty rare mineral", and > Kreigh, I would bet that it's probably among those 2/3 of all known minerals > NOT in your collection! Pete, You guessed correctly, I don't yet have a specimen, but it is on my short list of rare minerals to find because I liked the mineral name. Kreigh From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jan 22 22:18:30 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jan 22 22:18:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] rare minerals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B5A8B6.8070308@verizon.net> > So, as I said, > this just turned out to be another good example of a very rare and obscure > mineral. (I have no idea whether any "collector quality" specimens of > treasurite exist, but I would doubt it; I think any sample would be in the "little > black speck" category.) You'd be surprised how many people collect little specks--enough to keep at least three (formerly four) rare mineral dealers in business. Don From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Jan 23 19:13:52 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Jan 23 19:15:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Terrifying Bird-Care to Critique? References: <45B5A8B6.8070308@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002a01c73f65$b5870500$0300a8c0@Notebook> This from MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16772169/ Anyone care to critique this article while everyone else is down in Tucson? Some quotes for your enjoyment: "A 7-foot-tall prehistoric bird with a monster-size noggin..." "...it had a head larger than yours." "...Texas and Florida - the only places in North America where fossils have been unearthed." John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jan 23 20:08:13 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jan 23 20:07:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Terrifying Bird-Care to Critique? References: <45B5A8B6.8070308@verizon.net> <002a01c73f65$b5870500$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <45B6DB94.6697@Tomaszewski.net> John, I found the rare earth dating to be interesting, but as usual for news stories, most useful details were omitted. I think the article about bi-plane design of flying prehistoric birds was more interesting... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6287367.stm Kreigh John Siebel wrote: > > This from MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16772169/ > > Anyone care to critique this article while everyone else is down in Tucson? > Some quotes for your enjoyment: > > "A 7-foot-tall prehistoric bird with a monster-size noggin..." > > "...it had a head larger than yours." > > "...Texas and Florida - the only places in North America where fossils have > been unearthed." > > John From albalmer at att.net Wed Jan 24 07:10:26 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Jan 24 07:10:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Terrifying Bird-Care to Critique? In-Reply-To: <002a01c73f65$b5870500$0300a8c0@Notebook> References: <45B5A8B6.8070308@verizon.net> <002a01c73f65$b5870500$0300a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <7iter2pikvb4sfj34g0cba85nmtdsnfle7@4ax.com> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:13:52 -0800, "John Siebel" wrote: >This from MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16772169/ > >Anyone care to critique this article while everyone else is down in Tucson? >Some quotes for your enjoyment: > >"A 7-foot-tall prehistoric bird with a monster-size noggin..." > >"...it had a head larger than yours." > >"...Texas and Florida - the only places in North America where fossils have >been unearthed." > Sloppy writing. I think they meant that those were the only locations for Titanis walleri. Modern "journalists" not only don't know *what* they're writing about, they don't know how to write. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 05:25:22 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 25 05:25:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano Message-ID: Thought this was interesting: < http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11025-indonesian-mud-volcano-caused-by-gas-drilling.html > BK -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jan 25 08:03:36 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jan 25 08:03:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano Message-ID: Looks like the same principle that causes artesian wells, but on a larger scale. There's one at Campbell Landing on the Tombigbee River in South Alabama well north of the Campbell community off Highway 69. The water has a high mineral content (imagine that!) and a strong taste. I have drunk my fill there many times on hot days. Interesting for sure. Thanks Bryan! Glenn Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano Thought this was interesting: http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11025-indonesian-mud-volcano-caused-by-gas-drilling.html BK J Bryan Kramerphotos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Jan 25 14:03:27 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Jan 25 14:03:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Summer Geological Camping Excursions to Iceland Message-ID: <001201c740cc$a4f11ec0$3ffcf604@TheBlackAdder> ********************************** ACEE Announces Summer Geological Camping Excursions to Iceland From: Jim Reynolds ********************************** The Appalachian Center for Environmental Education of Brevard College is pleased to announce that it will offer two geological field trips to Iceland during the summer of 2007, according to Director Dr. Jennifer Frick-Ruppert. The trips will be led by Dr. Jim Reynolds, of Brevard College, and Dr. ?r?inn Fri?riksson, of the Iceland Geological Survey. Reynolds and Fri?riksson collaborated on a similar trip in 2004 for the Geological Society of America. The first trip, designed for students only, will take place from July 8-22. The second trip is open to everyone but is designed for K-12 and college educators. It will run from July 24-August 8. Both trips will camp in excellent, well- appointed campgrounds as they circle the island. Approximately 60 km of hikes to classic geological localities will be offered. Iceland holds a particular fascination for geologists because it is the most active part of the mid-ocean ridge rift system where new tectonic plates are formed. The eastern half of the country resides on the Eurasian Plate while the western half is on the North American Plate. The country is almost entirely volcanic and contains examples of every conceivable type of volcano, some of which are unique to Iceland. In addition to volcanism, Iceland is home to the world's third largest icecap, the Vatnajōkull, which covers several active volcanoes. Numerous valley glaciers descend from the icecap, some of which are easily accessible from the south coast. Some highlights of the trips will be visits to: 1) ?ingvellir, the site of the world's first Parliament, located in the rift zone near Reykjav?k; 2) Geysir, the geyser from which all geysers get their name; 3) Gullfoss, a large waterfall cascading into the rift; 4) M?vatn, a large lake in northeastern Iceland near the Arctic Circle; 5) Krafla Caldera, located on the rift and the site of a large eruption from 1975-1984; 6) the fjord country of East Iceland, 7) Vatnajōkull glaciers, including Jōkuls?rl?n, the iceberg lake; 8) Skaftafell National Park, located between two of the Vatnajōkull glaciers; 9) Landmannalaugar, a picturesque volcanic area with a famous hot spring; 10) Lakig?gar, site of the enormous 1783-1784 eruption, the largest in recorded history; and 11) a visit to the Blue Lagoon hot spring. Numerous other sites will also be visited. To find out more information about the trips, please visit https://www2.brevard.edu/reynoljh/fieldtrips.htm. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Thu Jan 25 16:40:44 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Thu Jan 25 16:40:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Giant bird, etc Message-ID: <10533.7930.qm@web56313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all, Well, what an interesting skeleton!! LAst year in AZ, at one of the hotel shows, there was a pterodactyl skeleton, probably a cast replica, about 12 feet tall, that was twice as scary as this bird. It was erected out in the court yard, maybe at the Innsuites? Right by the interstate, anyway. Earlier dinosaurs seem to be more intimidating, maybe it's that they were twice as big, with that really really long beak! Like it could pluck your brain out like picking a grape. I'll be arriving in AZ on Feb 1, and hope to see a few of you in Tucson. We'll be in AZ until the 23rd, doing preliminary prep work on the land - it's just a coincidence that it's happening during February, the worst month of winter here in WV and the best time of the eyar to visit Tucson! No, Really! Drop me a line if you plan to be in Tucson and want to get together for dinner and a beer. I'll be checking email. KoR! and be careful on the road! JR in WV --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Thu Jan 25 19:32:04 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066) Date: Thu Jan 25 19:32:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano Message-ID: <45b97634.c0.1e9d.10590@iglide.net> Reminds me of Crystal Geyser just SE of Green River, UT. There were drilling for oil there in the 20's and hit water, MAJOR water. Silly thing erupts into a very spectacular geyeser whenever it feels like it, no regular schedule. Appreciate youir comment about a good drink of water from your well in Alabama Glenn. I just "tasted" the water, as tip of my tongue and didn't dare get more than 15 minutes from the closest accomodation for the next three days. I was one very sick boy with one very upset digestive system. Drink from Crystal Geyser again, no, I don't think so. Keep on rockin. Kelly From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Jan 25 20:46:37 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jan 25 20:46:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? Message-ID: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> My wife and girls have decided they want to go rock collecting at Crater of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas for Spring Break. The obvious question, does anyone have collecting hints, or recommendations for places to camp (or stay at) in the area? We'll be driving down from Michigan. Does anyone have suggestions for collecting locations we might hit on the way down, or on our way back home? I hope to find different routes, down and up, so we can collect at more locations during our planned two day drive each way. I can't imagine driving that far to go collecting without spending at least a couple days at other collecting locations in Arkansas. I've found a few possible locations, but would really appreciate suggestions from the List. The bummer in this is that I'll end up missing the first couple days of my Club's annual Show; I've been outvoted and know when to surrender. I just want to make this inevitable trip worthwhile, and am hoping for suggestions/help from the List. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can provide (on or off List). Kreigh From Paintricks at aol.com Thu Jan 25 23:26:30 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 25 23:27:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? Message-ID: Hey Kreigh, I've been to Arkansas to collect a few times and had a great time at Stanley's mine. The gentleman has since passed away that owned it so I'm not sure if the mine is still in operation. I've been to the Crater and I believe it to be over rated but you never know. Some biggin's have been pulled out of there tho. I enjoyed the lake at Denby Point. You can collect crystal up in the innermost part of the eroded bank around the east side. Not many know of this place. I happened to stumble on it and found nice cluster crystal. I have also been to the Robbins mine. Waste of time. Ron Coleman's let's you dig their tailing so it's a little more limited. Stanley mine let's you right into the pit. Good luck Kevin --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From stu at arcrystalmine.com Fri Jan 26 05:05:33 2007 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Fri Jan 26 05:06:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: Message-ID: <001a01c7414a$cbe24ee0$6500a8c0@STU2> Hi Kreigh, The Stanley mine on Fisher Mtn was re-claimed a couple years ago. It is still open to fee dig ($10) but not much to be found since it is no longer an active mine. MSHA and the Forest Service has pretty much restricted the fee digging in active mines to tailing piles. There are lots of great places to camp around Lake Ouachita. You can get more info camping and digging on the Chamber web site http://www.mtidachamber.com/ Also, state geologist Mike Howard has a great web site about the minerals found in Arkansas: http://rockhoundingar.com/ Give me a call when you get in the area if you would like to stop by for a visit. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? > Hey Kreigh, > I've been to Arkansas to collect a few times and had a great time at > Stanley's mine. The gentleman has since passed away that owned it so I'm > not sure > if the mine is still in operation. I've been to the Crater and I believe > it > to be over rated but you never know. Some biggin's have been pulled out > of > there tho. I enjoyed the lake at Denby Point. You can collect crystal > up in > the innermost part of the eroded bank around the east side. Not many > know > of this place. I happened to stumble on it and found nice cluster > crystal. > I have also been to the Robbins mine. Waste of time. Ron Coleman's > let's > you dig their tailing so it's a little more limited. Stanley mine let's > you > right into the pit. > Good luck > Kevin From diente at prismnet.com Fri Jan 26 05:14:56 2007 From: diente at prismnet.com (diente@prismnet.com) Date: Fri Jan 26 05:15:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <45B9AA70.20191.D34D96F@diente.prismnet.com> Hi, Kreigh. Swing by Mt. Ida if you get a chance. There are at least a couple of mines to check out. Talk to Matt at Arrowhead Mine. In the quartz dig in October, he really opened up the mine for all the diggers, and will put you on to a pocket if that is what you desire, for a price, of course. G.W. at Brewster Mountain is also a great guy, and if he has been working the mine, this will be a good choice. He can be found at Gee and Dee's Crystals. Also, Stu Schmitt is on this list, and owns a mine or two, so get in contact with him. I don't think that the Stanley mine has been worked in some time. However, it is worth a visit to Sonny Stanley's shop to chat and have a look at his "mineral museum". I like to stay at the Shangri-La on Lake Oachita. A 50's era fishing lodge in a beautiful setting. Nothing fancy, as there are other nicer or higher end places, but my buddies and I stay there every year. It has a cafe on site, great home made pies. You could also stay in Hot Springs. The old city is a national park. Hot Springs is what Vegas was before Vegas. There is a lot of history there. Nothing better than digging all day, and then visiting a bathhouse/spa. At the very least, visit McClards BBQ for an order of rib fries. Hope this helps. Paul Bordovsky Austin, TX > My wife and girls have decided they want to go rock collecting at Crater > of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas for Spring Break. The obvious > question, does anyone have collecting hints, or recommendations for > places to camp (or stay at) in the area? > > We'll be driving down from Michigan. Does anyone have suggestions for > collecting locations we might hit on the way down, or on our way back > home? I hope to find different routes, down and up, so we can collect at > more locations during our planned two day drive each way. > > I can't imagine driving that far to go collecting without spending at > least a couple days at other collecting locations in Arkansas. I've > found a few possible locations, but would really appreciate suggestions > from the List. > > The bummer in this is that I'll end up missing the first couple days of > my Club's annual Show; I've been outvoted and know when to surrender. I > just want to make this inevitable trip worthwhile, and am hoping for > suggestions/help from the List. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can provide (on or off List). > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 1/24/2007 > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Jan 26 06:38:30 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Jan 26 06:38:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano References: <45b97634.c0.1e9d.10590@iglide.net> Message-ID: <002a01c74157$a694fa90$6601a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I sent the link to a friend of mine - who use to be in the remediation business. Below is his response. Alan I hadn't read all of it before. I had seen the article. Interesting. This is why I've gotten frustrated sometimes with drillers who don't follow procedures and try to take shortcuts just to save a few bucks. I contracted a driller to drill a water well to replace one that got contaminated with gasoline. The specifications called for the overburden and the first 20 feet of bedrock to be cased with steel casing and grouted in place to minimize any chance of potentially migrating contaminants from getting into the well (the contaminated well was only cased to the bedrock surface and wasn't grouted in place). The new well was to be well upgradient of the contamination, but the state and I had decided not to take any chances since the full extent of contamination wasn't then known. I supervised the drilling to bedrock, and the first ten feet of bedrock. I left then, because the company wasn't going to be reimbursed by the state for my time as a PG [Certified Professional Geologist] (and they wanted to bill me as a PG as much as possible) so I couldn't stay for the whole field effort. I stayed in contact with the driller over the course of the project, and when he finally reached the aquifer we were aiming for, he completed the well. I came out to see how things were going, and I asked him if he had set the casing in as called for in the specs, and he said yes. But his boss (who apparently hadn't read the specs) later that day when I talked to him over the phone told me that the driller had only cased to the bedrock surface and had backfilled around it with the drill cuttings. I was furious. I counted the number of opened boxes of casing, and realized that he had only used 18 feet of casing instead of 38 feet, and hadn't used any grout (bags of which were sitting on his rig unopened). I called his boss, and told him that he would have to either pull the casing and ream out the hole, drill a new hole, or pack his bags and not get paid for the work. He called the driller and told him to pull the casing and clean out the hole and set the casing in properly. The driller then proceeded to throw his tools in a fit of rage. I thought he was going to kick my ass. After his boss finally got him 'calmed down' (like, with the threat of unemployment), he did the job the way it was supposed to be done (but you could have cut the tension in the air with a knife). He didn't like me much after that. The feeling was mutual. And now you know one of the reasons why I don't do this work anymore. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlkelly1066" To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano > Reminds me of Crystal Geyser just SE of Green River, UT. > There were drilling for oil there in the 20's and hit water, > MAJOR water. Silly thing erupts into a very spectacular > geyeser whenever it feels like it, no regular schedule. > Appreciate youir comment about a good drink of water from > your well in Alabama Glenn. I just "tasted" the water, as > tip of my tongue and didn't dare get more than 15 minutes > from the closest accomodation for the next three days. I was > one very sick boy with one very upset digestive system. > Drink from Crystal Geyser again, no, I don't think so. > Keep on rockin. > > Kelly > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From totis99 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 06:54:40 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Fri Jan 26 06:54:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20070126145440.10162.qmail@web36709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kreigh, Below is a link with information to our favorite campground (and terrific rock shop also!)...Miner's Rock Shop and Campground. I checked google and it looks like they are starting a website and it has photos of the campground. It is located about 1/4 mile past the entrance to the Diamond Mine. In terms of driving, it is a nice 'triangular' drive from/to Hot Springs, Mt.Ida, and Murfreesboro. There really isn't much else to do in Murfreesboro area (antique shops). Hot Springs is beautiful in the spring and it is a great little town with quite a few tourist things, the National Park with the hot springs and bath houses, and horse racing season open during the time you will be there. This time of year the weather can and will do just about everything so that gives you some options if it is really ugly outside LOL! When we lived in Arkansas, the triangle of roads to those three towns was one of our favorite weekend runs. The link to Mike Howard's Rockhounding Arkansas gives some interesting locations that could be plotted out in your drive thru the state; i.e. Magnet Cove is right out side Hot Springs. He also has a decent write up on what can be found at the Diamond Mine aside from diamonds. It can be a very messy place but it can be fun. He also has a map of supposed collecting sites around the state. I wish I could get you into Jeffrey but my connection is no longer possible as the majority of it has been sold to subdivision developers :( in the last year. Hope you have a great trip and lots of fun! Teresa Otis http://rockhoundingar.com/locations.html http://www.campclubusa.com/find/search_details.cfm?ccid=10370 http://minerscamping.com/Gallery/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From smtravis at plateautel.net Fri Jan 26 08:38:47 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Fri Jan 26 08:40:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> Kriegh don't know what type of equipment you have but diamonds like gold are heavier than surrounding dirt so any equip to concentrate hevies helps as you know the park has some screens and a washing sluce the travel chanel has a thinggoing on the park this week last one tomorrow about 4 I think check travel chanel .com if you have a friend on dish they get it. also lard on a small sheet of plywood will have the diamonds stick to it when most things wont.. Good luck. I also echo the MT Ida Hotspriings area If you fet to hot springs The Lake Catherine area is beautiful again 50's style cabins and pretty good fishing. It's been a while since I was there but there is a great rock shop going east of town on the north side the owner (sorry forgot his name) is a engineer for the novaculite mines in the area if you can get him to take you out there is some fantastic irridescent goethite on some of the cracks in the novaculite Turgite I ghink its called prettier than Iron Mt GA some of it. Also Wright's Rock shop is in the area and get him to open some of his trailers of rocke in the back they are fine. All the vest Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? > My wife and girls have decided they want to go rock collecting at Crater > of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas for Spring Break. The obvious > question, does anyone have collecting hints, or recommendations for > places to camp (or stay at) in the area? > > We'll be driving down from Michigan. Does anyone have suggestions for > collecting locations we might hit on the way down, or on our way back > home? I hope to find different routes, down and up, so we can collect at > more locations during our planned two day drive each way. > > I can't imagine driving that far to go collecting without spending at > least a couple days at other collecting locations in Arkansas. I've > found a few possible locations, but would really appreciate suggestions > from the List. > > The bummer in this is that I'll end up missing the first couple days of > my Club's annual Show; I've been outvoted and know when to surrender. I > just want to make this inevitable trip worthwhile, and am hoping for > suggestions/help from the List. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can provide (on or off List). > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From JHODEL at wvdep.org Fri Jan 26 10:58:06 2007 From: JHODEL at wvdep.org (J.R. Hodel) Date: Fri Jan 26 10:58:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] An Artesian well and some OT remarks about the area Message-ID: Hi: Artesian wells fascinate me. As a youngster, we kids would stay with my Grandma on weekends, for the sake of our parents' sanity. On Sundays, she would take us for a long drive in the country, with a bag lunch. We would stop at any little store for a pop (carbonated beverages) and then eat by the road nearby. In WV most all roads are beside small streams, so there was usually a pretty bank to eat on. On one trip, we stopped at a pasture and walked out to a large pipe - a well head. It was capped, but there was a 3 or 4 (7-10 cm) inch opening in the side of the casing, and a huge amount of water spewing out. It ran across the pasture and into the nearby stream. It reeked of sulfer, as bad as the mudpots at Yellowstone caldera! Grandma told us that for many years people came to this well to collect the water, to use as a tonic. I imagine that if you drank very much of it you would get medicinal results! The Gypsys used to put on a carnival in the bottom field across the road from where the artesian well was. I expect it was quite deep, as the locale has many underground coal mines (or did at the time) and they pumped the shallow aquifers dry to keep the mines from flooding. Grandma got her water from a "system" that use an abandoned deep mine as their water supply for many years, and it was tested and tasted as good as the city water from a trout stream. Hope this isn't too off topic. Now the long-wall mining panels cause subsidence, which causes major changes in ground water conditions. Wells change in character or flow, and springs appear above the lower ends of the panels. Sometimes the springs appear in gardens, driveways, or basements - not a good thing. JR in WV From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Jan 26 08:46:08 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Jan 26 11:18:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <000801c74169$7a5ec070$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Are UV lights allowed in Murfreesboro? The diamonds fluoresce, or at least some of them do, so I'd pick a cool day and spend it huddled under a black barbecue cover, UV light in hand, looking for that telltale sky-blue glow . . . Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net From rcrudolph at optonline.net Fri Jan 26 10:34:50 2007 From: rcrudolph at optonline.net (rcrudolph@optonline.net) Date: Fri Jan 26 11:18:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa Message-ID: I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock collecting as an outdoor passtime. The problem is, I don't know where to start. As a novice, I am looking for any sites in the NJ or Pa area that would offer a chance to locate crytals, semi-precious gemstones such as garnets, some of the "flashier" mineral specimens or even fossils (the sites I once knew of are either depleted or closed). I live in western Morris County but can certainly travel around the northern and central parts of the state as well as nearby Pa if there are worthwhile sites to be found. I am basically looking for a litle outdoor activity and fresh air with a goal of finding something that would make the trip worthwhile. I realize this is an imposition, but if anyone has a few moments to spare, some leads (with directions) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your assistance. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jan 26 11:28:22 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Jan 26 11:29:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa References: Message-ID: <006b01c74180$2982b640$0300a8c0@Notebook> Note that rcrudolph is not a list member so you may want to contact him/her directly off-list. John Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Jan 26 11:32:27 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Fri Jan 26 11:32:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00b801c74180$084334f0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Kreigh: You probably already know most of these suggestions, so please be patient with me. Bring your own gear; the park rentals are pricey and limited and go through the Park exhibit first. Especially, study their diamond displays. The park periodically plows the ground to expose new material. The digging field is huge and gets hot during sunny days. Bring shade (beach umbrella works) and lots of water. If you read through the park records, many of the famous or bigger diamonds found by tourists were found close to the park entrance. It isn't that this is the best ground, it's only an example of the old rule that many people search their first 100 yards the most. If there has been any recent rain, spend some time just searching the rows. Forget shiny and sparkly, think greasy luster. Also, try not to look for only white/water-clear, most of the Arkansas diamonds are colored with the champagne brown to yellowish colors being among the more common color forms. Also try to look for minute flashes of surface luster. Yeah, you might get lucky and find a multi-carat diamond; more likely is that you will find a diamond in the 1/8th to 1/4 carat range. Several folks have described their diamond finds as resembling pieces of old coke bottles. Think of the abraded pieces of glass you may find on shorelines; translucent rather than transparent and kind of greasy looking. The semi-pros spend a lot of time turning buckets of dirt into buckets of gravel. Yeah, they try to go through less accessible dirt (down several feet), but their actions are really focused on volume. The more dirt; the more gravel, and the more chances for diamonds. One time when I was there, I spent a couple of days just sticking with the semi-pros. They do not tell the park about every diamond they find; in fact they claim very few. If you ask and they are not terribly suspicious of you, they might even show you some of the diamonds they have for sale. If you can, make up several screens for classifying the gravel quickly. Since most of the diamonds are small you need a real fine screen. If you separate out the large chunks with larger mesh screens, the gravel is quicker to search. Work on concentrating the dirt to gravel then take your gravel to a shady spot and go through it slowly. That is, you sit in the shade and you keep the gravel in the sun while searching. The semi-pros often have a convex screen for concentrating the heavier stuff, so they don't have to waste time looking through waste. I've considered trying to mount round kitchen sieve on the bottom of a gold pan for a cheap version. It also helps if you let the dirt soak in water before sifting. When dry, many of the lamproite clumps are like abrasive rocks; soaked a while they fall apart easily. There are other rocks you can find in the park. I collected quite a few pounds of jasper while I was there, though I was unimpressed with it when I cut it. Consider bringing a SW/LW lamp with you. Some of the diamonds fluoresce in SW and most fluoresce in LW. I've daydreamed about buying one of those UV LED flashlights on EBay and taking it to Crater of Diamonds for use on cloudy days or for searching concentrated gravel in the shade. I don't know how effective their LW frequencies are for diamonds, but I can dream. One time I was at the park I overheard a lady telling someone that she thought she'd found a diamond, but when she put it on a rock and hit it with a hammer it smashed. Don't hit them! Diamonds are hard, not invulnerable. Gear you might like to have: * If you plan to bring buckets and screens, consider an old golf cart; something that carries a lot of gear and has wheels that can travel over soft ground. * Fine screens; classifying screens, if you can, to remove the bigger waste quickly. * Some sort of shovel. You don't need the large garden type if you're not going to dig deep. I like the folding marine type and a small hand shovel. Use the small hand shovel to sort dirt and gravel. The dirt in the park is surprisingly abrasive and you may find your fingers kinda sensitive after working a few buckets of dirt. * Buckets: the more buckets the more dirt you can soak and turn into gravel. If you plan to do volume, then a large garden spade becomes useful. * A light rake and hand shovel If you plan to search the rows. * Definitely personal shade (hats) and sunglasses; shade is minimal at the park and you can quickly get snow-blind in a bright sun. Larger shade is nice, like beach umbrellas or those cheap popup shade tents. * Something to put your finds into. This something should be small, but firmly closes. Pop caps may be convenient, but for some unknown reason, diamonds like to escape such containers. * Magnifying glass * Field microscope; the heavy micro-macro non-diamond minerals are interesting Well, that's all I can think of right now. Good luck! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:47 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Cc: archive@Tomaszewski.net Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? My wife and girls have decided they want to go rock collecting at Crater of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas for Spring Break. The obvious question, does anyone have collecting hints, or recommendations for places to camp (or stay at) in the area? We'll be driving down from Michigan. Does anyone have suggestions for collecting locations we might hit on the way down, or on our way back home? I hope to find different routes, down and up, so we can collect at more locations during our planned two day drive each way. I can't imagine driving that far to go collecting without spending at least a couple days at other collecting locations in Arkansas. I've found a few possible locations, but would really appreciate suggestions from the List. The bummer in this is that I'll end up missing the first couple days of my Club's annual Show; I've been outvoted and know when to surrender. I just want to make this inevitable trip worthwhile, and am hoping for suggestions/help from the List. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can provide (on or off List). Kreigh -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jan 26 12:01:51 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jan 26 12:01:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <000801c74169$7a5ec070$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> <000801c74169$7a5ec070$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <000601c74184$d1f2b060$6601a8c0@AxelHP> >> looking for that telltale sky-blue glow And red and green en yellow and orange and ..... ;-)))) Diamonds are a fluo-collectors best friend. But you knew that, Earl (LOL) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Earl R. Verbeek > Verzonden: vrijdag 26 januari 2007 17:46 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? > > Are UV lights allowed in Murfreesboro? The diamonds > fluoresce, or at least some of them do, so I'd pick a cool > day and spend it huddled under a black barbecue cover, UV > light in hand, looking for that telltale sky-blue glow . > . . > > Cheers- Earl > > ----------------------------------- > Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist > Sterling Hill Mining Museum > 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 > 973-209-7212 > shmm@ptd.net > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jan 26 16:44:57 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jan 26 16:42:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa References: Message-ID: <45BA9FDE.5B45@Tomaszewski.net> rcrudolph@optonline.net wrote: > > I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock collecting as an outdoor passtime. > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. The place to start is http://www.amfed.org/efmls/clubs.htm#New%20Jersey and find a rock club in your area. From gene at fossilnut.com Fri Jan 26 16:43:25 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Fri Jan 26 16:43:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa References: Message-ID: <01bd01c741ac$28570380$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Ok this has been said before. I would strongly suggest you join your local club. Check out the listing on the EFMLS (Eastern Federation of Mineral Societies) website. http://www.amfed.org/efmls/clubs.htm#New%20Jersey Many of the EFMLS clubs belong to EFTA (Eastern Field Trip Alliance). Member clubs host a few trips a year open to all NFTA members and as a result can join field trips all over the northeast and mid-atlantic. http://www.nefta.us/ By joining a club you support the hobby, meet other collectors, get to go on field trips, and help ensure responsible access to collecting sites. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa >I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock collecting as an >outdoor passtime. > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. > > As a novice, I am looking for any sites in the NJ or Pa area that would > offer a chance to locate crytals, semi-precious gemstones such as garnets, > some of the "flashier" mineral specimens or even fossils (the sites I once > knew of are either depleted or closed). > > I live in western Morris County but can certainly travel around the > northern and central parts of the state as well as nearby Pa if there are > worthwhile sites to be found. I am basically looking for a litle outdoor > activity and fresh air with a goal of finding something that would make > the trip worthwhile. > > I realize this is an imposition, but if anyone has a few moments to spare, > some leads (with directions) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your > assistance. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jan 27 02:54:33 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jan 27 02:54:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa In-Reply-To: <01bd01c741ac$28570380$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <01bd01c741ac$28570380$6600a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <000601c74201$87a163d0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> When collecting in NJ, you just have to consider fluorescence. The FMS (Fluorescent Mineral Society) is an international society that unites all collectors of fluorescent minerals "under one flag". http://www.uvminerals.org/ Your not bound to your region... We're almost everywhere in Europe, Canada and the US. Ever been to the Thomas Warren Museum? http://www.sterlinghill.org/warren/index.htm I'm doing some serious missionary work here but if you want to see more then go here (MKA website): More clubs: http://www.minerant.org/clubsOEU.html#USA More fluorescent minerals: http://www.minerant.org/clubsOEU.html#USA and click gallery More fluorescence; http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jtozour/ http://www.btinternet.com/~gavin.malcolm/ http://luminousminerals.com/greentrip/ilifluor.shtml http://fluomineral.free.fr/ http://www.minershop.com/ http://216.227.220.131/Photos.asp?photo=minerals has some cool animations on the home page (I know, I made them from photos that Jeff Scovill made). Every time you go back there you will see another animation (just allow the page to fully load before you clic refresh) I'm forgetting a few dozen (my apologies guys but hey, get out here yourselves... Where are you? ;-))) Naturally, there's more than just fluorescent minerals but it's an option you should know of. Axel > > >I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock > collecting as an > >outdoor passtime. > > > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. > > > > As a novice, I am looking for any sites in the NJ or Pa > area that would > > offer a chance to locate crytals, semi-precious gemstones > such as garnets, > > some of the "flashier" mineral specimens or even fossils > (the sites I once > > knew of are either depleted or closed). > > > > I live in western Morris County but can certainly travel around the > > northern and central parts of the state as well as nearby > Pa if there are > > worthwhile sites to be found. I am basically looking for a > litle outdoor > > activity and fresh air with a goal of finding something > that would make > > the trip worthwhile. > > > > I realize this is an imposition, but if anyone has a few > moments to spare, > > some leads (with directions) would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks for your > > assistance. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From bearonweb at yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 05:06:00 2007 From: bearonweb at yahoo.com (David Bear) Date: Sat Jan 27 05:06:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 32, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <200701270200.l0R20fJ1025035@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <110138.64579.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock collecting as an outdoor passtime. > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. The very first thing to do is clear everything off of the mantle in the living room. You will need the space to put your first collections. The next thing is to empty out the den, second bedroom, back porch and laundry room. You will need the space to put your second round of collections. The third thing to do is empty out the living room, the bedroom, and the kitchen. You will need the space to put your third round of collections. The fourth thing to do is buy a second home. Do not bother to furnish it. David Bear Arizona Certified Legal Document Preparer: #80104 3116 S. Mill Ave., #459, Tempe AZ 85282 (480)829-3933 --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 27 06:44:27 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Jan 27 06:44:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting sites in New Jersey/Pa In-Reply-To: <000601c74201$87a163d0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <909736.57536.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And you're probably less than 30 miles from Franklin/Sterling Hill! Also ,for field trips, join the Morris Museum Mineral Club. They meet in the Morris Museum in Morristown, and I believe they still run field trips. They certainly did when I was a member some 25 years ago! Jim Daly Axel Emmermann wrote: When collecting in NJ, you just have to consider fluorescence. The FMS (Fluorescent Mineral Society) is an international society that unites all collectors of fluorescent minerals "under one flag". http://www.uvminerals.org/ Your not bound to your region... We're almost everywhere in Europe, Canada and the US. Ever been to the Thomas Warren Museum? http://www.sterlinghill.org/warren/index.htm I'm doing some serious missionary work here but if you want to see more then go here (MKA website): More clubs: http://www.minerant.org/clubsOEU.html#USA More fluorescent minerals: http://www.minerant.org/clubsOEU.html#USA and click gallery More fluorescence; http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jtozour/ http://www.btinternet.com/~gavin.malcolm/ http://luminousminerals.com/greentrip/ilifluor.shtml http://fluomineral.free.fr/ http://www.minershop.com/ http://216.227.220.131/Photos.asp?photo=minerals has some cool animations on the home page (I know, I made them from photos that Jeff Scovill made). Every time you go back there you will see another animation (just allow the page to fully load before you clic refresh) I'm forgetting a few dozen (my apologies guys but hey, get out here yourselves... Where are you? ;-))) Naturally, there's more than just fluorescent minerals but it's an option you should know of. Axel > > >I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock > collecting as an > >outdoor passtime. > > > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. > > > > As a novice, I am looking for any sites in the NJ or Pa > area that would > > offer a chance to locate crytals, semi-precious gemstones > such as garnets, > > some of the "flashier" mineral specimens or even fossils > (the sites I once > > knew of are either depleted or closed). > > > > I live in western Morris County but can certainly travel around the > > northern and central parts of the state as well as nearby > Pa if there are > > worthwhile sites to be found. I am basically looking for a > litle outdoor > > activity and fresh air with a goal of finding something > that would make > > the trip worthwhile. > > > > I realize this is an imposition, but if anyone has a few > moments to spare, > > some leads (with directions) would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks for your > > assistance. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Jan 27 09:23:39 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 27 09:23:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: starting collecting (was) Rockhounds Digest, Vol 32, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <110138.64579.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200701270200.l0R20fJ1025035@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <110138.64579.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070127072113.044a80d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Very funny, David. But please change the topic in the Subject line when you're responding to the Digest. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team) At 03:06 AM 1/27/2007, you wrote: > > I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock collecting as an >outdoor passtime. > > > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. > >The very first thing to do is clear everything off of the mantle in the >living room. You will need the space to put your first collections. The >next thing is to empty out the den, second bedroom, back porch and laundry >room. You will need the space to put your second round of >collections. The third thing to do is empty out the living room, the >bedroom, and the kitchen. You will need the space to put your third round >of collections. The fourth thing to do is buy a second home. Do not >bother to furnish it. > > > > >David Bear >Arizona Certified Legal Document Preparer: #80104 >3116 S. Mill Ave., #459, Tempe AZ 85282 >(480)829-3933 > >--------------------------------- >Need Mail bonding? >Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jpjunk at mc.net Sat Jan 27 12:09:28 2007 From: jpjunk at mc.net (John Junkroski) Date: Sat Jan 27 12:09:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 32, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: <110138.64579.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <110138.64579.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, Please allow me to add: When you buy the second home, make sure it's on fairly large acreage, so you'll have room for several outbuildings ( I now have two) as well as piles and heaps of things you probably should have left behind ( which I tell the wife will someday make lovely "rock gardens". ) John On Jan 27, 2007, at 7:06 AM, David Bear wrote: >> I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock >> collecting as an >> > outdoor passtime. > >> >> The problem is, I don't know where to start. >> > > The very first thing to do is clear everything off of the mantle in > the living room. You will need the space to put your first > collections. The next thing is to empty out the den, second > bedroom, back porch and laundry room. You will need the space to > put your second round of collections. The third thing to do is > empty out the living room, the bedroom, and the kitchen. You will > need the space to put your third round of collections. The fourth > thing to do is buy a second home. Do not bother to furnish it. > > > > > David Bear > Arizona Certified Legal Document Preparer: #80104 > 3116 S. Mill Ave., #459, Tempe AZ 85282 > (480)829-3933 > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Jan 27 12:14:35 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jan 27 12:14:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADMIN topic change In-Reply-To: References: <110138.64579.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070127101155.044ad028@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Gentle reminder to everyone: please change the title in the Subject line to match your topic. This is especially important when you are on the Digest, as means nothing to the rest of us. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team) From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 27 17:49:07 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 27 17:42:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> Seems to me that the ideal solution for concentrating the denser stuff would be to have a tub containing a liquid with a density just a bit under that of diamond's 3.52. Pour in a shovelful of dirt and skim off the lighter stuff that would float. Pick the diamonds that sink off the bottom of the tub. The question is, what dense liquid could I take that would be safe enough to use in the park? Kreigh Steve & Marilyn wrote: > > Kriegh don't know what type of equipment you have but diamonds like gold > are heavier than surrounding dirt so any equip to concentrate hevies helps > as you know the park has some screens and a washing sluce the travel chanel > has a thinggoing on the park this week last one tomorrow about 4 I think > check travel chanel .com if you have a friend on dish they get it. also > lard on a small sheet of plywood will have the diamonds stick to it when > most things wont.. Good luck. From salandgreg at yahoo.com.au Sat Jan 27 15:10:04 2007 From: salandgreg at yahoo.com.au (Sally Bailey) Date: Sat Jan 27 17:57:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] John McLaughlin - Ultrasonic Drills Message-ID: <963087.33926.qm@web50011.mail.yahoo.com> Hi John, I too have an Imahashi Ultrasonic drill and would like to find a website too. Did you have any Luck? Sally Bailey, Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jan 27 18:27:47 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jan 27 18:27:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> <45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <45BC0A23.6030906@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Seems to me that the ideal solution for concentrating the denser stuff > would be to have a tub containing a liquid with a density just a bit > under that of diamond's 3.52. > > The question is, what dense liquid could I take that would be safe > enough to use in the park? > Yikes--I can't think of anything that is 1) non-toxic and 2) affordable. I have been having the same problem. I just spent $500 (of grant money) on a small jar of sodium polytungstate and that has a max SG of about 3.0. It is essentially non-toxic but as you can tell it is extremely expensive, what I bought makes a few hundred mL of solution, and a small tub full would cost as much as a nice diamond from the jewelry store. The toxic heavy liquids like bromoform have slightly higher SG and are also very expensive, if you can even buy them any longer. One of the densest is thallium malonate formate (Clerici's solution), which is the most toxic of them all and also extremely expensive. Check with Cargille at http://www.cargille.com/ Prepare for sticker shock. I have been beating my brains out for months trying to find a safe and relatively inexpensive SG liquid. Sodium and lithium polytungstates are safe but very expensive. Fortunately, their ~3.0 SG is just enough to separate most common feldspars. I have been avoiding Clerici's solution but at least it is there if I need it--and only in very small amounts. Good luck, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 27 18:44:10 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 27 18:37:46 2007 Subject: [ADMIN] Re: [Rockhounds] John McLaughlin - Ultrasonic Drills References: <963087.33926.qm@web50011.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45BC0C75.70E7@Tomaszewski.net> BTW, Sally is not a list member so you will need to reply to her directly. Sally Bailey wrote: > > Hi John, > I too have an Imahashi Ultrasonic drill and would like to find a website too. Did you have any Luck? > Sally Bailey, Australia. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jan 27 21:04:35 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jan 27 21:04:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> <45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> <45BC0A23.6030906@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Don, I was afraid of that. Guess it has to be Plan B... Denser materials, when dropped onto the elevated end of a sloped surface, should acquire more velocity from gravity, and therefore travel farther once they reach the downslope edge. Any other suggestions for sorting by gravity? Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > Seems to me that the ideal solution for concentrating the denser stuff > > would be to have a tub containing a liquid with a density just a bit > > under that of diamond's 3.52. > > > > The question is, what dense liquid could I take that would be safe > > enough to use in the park? > > > > Yikes--I can't think of anything that is 1) non-toxic and 2) affordable. > I have been having the same problem. I just spent $500 (of grant > money) on a small jar of sodium polytungstate and that has a max SG of > about 3.0. It is essentially non-toxic but as you can tell it is > extremely expensive, what I bought makes a few hundred mL of solution, > and a small tub full would cost as much as a nice diamond from the > jewelry store. The toxic heavy liquids like bromoform have slightly > higher SG > and are also very expensive, if you can even buy them any longer. One > of the densest is thallium malonate formate (Clerici's solution), which > is the most toxic of them all and also extremely expensive. > > Check with Cargille at http://www.cargille.com/ > > Prepare for sticker shock. > > I have been beating my brains out for months trying to find a safe and > relatively inexpensive SG liquid. Sodium and lithium polytungstates are > safe but very expensive. Fortunately, their ~3.0 SG is just enough to > separate most common feldspars. I have been avoiding Clerici's solution > but at least it is there if I need it--and only in very small amounts. > > Good luck, > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jan 27 21:25:53 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jan 27 21:24:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> <45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> <45BC0A23.6030906@verizon.net> <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <45BC33E1.6030400@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Hi Don, > > I was afraid of that. Guess it has to be Plan B... > > Denser materials, when dropped onto the elevated end of a sloped > surface, should acquire more velocity from gravity, and therefore travel > farther once they reach the downslope edge. > > Any other suggestions for sorting by gravity? There is another method called elutriation, I think, but you'll need to look that up. There are also other flotation methods but I think they are related to fine powders. Don't give up on web searches--you may even find something I missed. But every specialty field has its own way of separating things; the soil people are usually interested in sorting by particle size, in which they let the sand & silt settle out in a certain time frame, which is known according to Stokes' Law, and what is left in suspension after that time is the clay-sized fraction. Doesn't help me too much, since I want the feldspars, but at least if I sort out the clay-sized materials first, that helps clean up the material. I've had to develop my own separation method; and the feldspars are in the same SG range as quartz, but if I skim them off together, it is easy to separate the grains using a polarizing microscope. Don From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Sun Jan 28 01:21:10 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sun Jan 28 01:21:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: <45BC33E1.6030400@verizon.net> Message-ID: We have a club member that has picked up 2 diamonds in his gold dredge. Both came from here in Oregon from his claim in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness in Southern Oregon. He also takes quite a bit of gold out of that area. Not sure but a Sluice Box might work if there is a stream there or you could try to find a used Gold Buddy a reciruclating sluice box that runs off a battery that is small & compact. Dawn From Ted at crystalgems.com Sun Jan 28 06:38:50 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sun Jan 28 06:38:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? In-Reply-To: References: <45BC33E1.6030400@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00db01c742e9$f690b3c0$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> I like idea. As I added that idea to my next Murfreesboro day dream trip, I remembered the old grease diamond traps. Perhaps the Gold Buddy can be adapted to a grease belt process. http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/diamonds/process.html Or for another view of a grease belt: http://www.gia.edu/research/1383/2273/article_detail.cfm Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Fredricks Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:21 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? We have a club member that has picked up 2 diamonds in his gold dredge. Both came from here in Oregon from his claim in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness in Southern Oregon. He also takes quite a bit of gold out of that area. Not sure but a Sluice Box might work if there is a stream there or you could try to find a used Gold Buddy a reciruclating sluice box that runs off a battery that is small & compact. Dawn -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mike at colellaphoto.com Sun Jan 28 17:28:41 2007 From: mike at colellaphoto.com (Michael J. Colella) Date: Sun Jan 28 17:28:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: starting collecting In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070127072113.044a80d8@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <200701282028884.SM02676@18ghz> David, Your answer STILL has me and my wife laughing. SOOO true. Would you mind if I used this in our club newsletter. I think everyone else will get just as big a laugh as I did. Thanks, Mike C -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:24 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: starting collecting (was) Rockhounds Digest, Vol 32, Issue 24 Very funny, David. But please change the topic in the Subject line when you're responding to the Digest. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team) At 03:06 AM 1/27/2007, you wrote: > > I am recently retired an would like to get back into rock collecting > > as an >outdoor passtime. > > > > The problem is, I don't know where to start. > >The very first thing to do is clear everything off of the mantle in the >living room. You will need the space to put your first collections. >The next thing is to empty out the den, second bedroom, back porch and >laundry room. You will need the space to put your second round of >collections. The third thing to do is empty out the living room, the >bedroom, and the kitchen. You will need the space to put your third >round of collections. The fourth thing to do is buy a second home. Do >not bother to furnish it. > > > > >David Bear >Arizona Certified Legal Document Preparer: #80104 >3116 S. Mill Ave., #459, Tempe AZ 85282 >(480)829-3933 > >--------------------------------- >Need Mail bonding? >Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Sun Jan 28 20:02:38 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Sun Jan 28 20:02:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent spiders! Message-ID: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16810841/from/ET/ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jan 28 20:06:11 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jan 28 20:05:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions for collecting in Arkansas? References: <45B987A4.27AF@Tomaszewski.net> <065f01c74168$73913990$7a9e5a40@marilyn> <45BBFF95.412@Tomaszewski.net> <45BC0A23.6030906@verizon.net> <45BC2ED4.3AA3@Tomaszewski.net> <45BC33E1.6030400@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45BD7290.6DB0@Tomaszewski.net> DonH wrote: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Any other suggestions for sorting by gravity? > > There is another method called elutriation, I think, but you'll need to > look that up. Don, See "Make Your Own Edutriator to Recover Tumbling Grit" at http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Homemade.shtml about two thirds of the way down the page. I assummed elutriation would not work for collecting diamonds on my trip because I could not expect a water supply at Crater of Diamonds State Park. But it is a great idea! Kreigh From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jan 28 23:26:00 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jan 28 23:26:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070128204116.040a2ff0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Hi List, In going through my father's files I found an old postal envelope. The top has been cut off with scissors so that most of the stamp and cancellation mark are missing. Inside is a bunch of stuff that looked at first like white fabric fibres or soft string. But my instinct said, "asbestos," so I didn't touch it, and haven't yet dumped it out for a closer look. I can make out from the 2 or 3 mm bottom of the red stamp that it says <2 cents> and the postmark says clearly <1941>. Part of the cancellation says . The envelope is typewriter addressed to Mr. Wm, C. Knabe, 3853 Gratz St., Phila., Pa. In the upper right corner under the tiny strip of remaining stamp is hand-written in black ink (probably fountain pen) in block caps as best I can make out: D 338 AMPHIBOLE (ASBSTUS) UBRODOLITE Q T398 5-14-44 The first is not clear, and in the 3rd line the and the are not clear. In the last line the <5> may be an . Since the postmark is very clear at 1941, I doubt the last number means a date of 1944, although I suppose the writing could have been put on three years after the letter was posted. I think I can assume the white stuff is 65-year-old (as least) asbestos. But does anyone have any more clues as to its origin or meaning? Mahalo and aloha, Kitty From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 00:48:41 2007 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Mon Jan 29 00:48:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070128204116.040a2ff0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <540825.99919.qm@web51015.mail.yahoo.com> Asbestos, as a form of fibrous habit, occurs in several mineral types(e.g crysotille, amphibole). The fibers can vary greatly from sample to sample. Based on the amphibole notation on the envelope, this likey the amphibole form but could be a very weathered form called "mountain leather"(aka mtn. cork,flax). Mountain leather is especially flexible, silky textured, felt-like and doesn't show the distinct hair-like fiber found in amphibole-asbestos which tends towards rigidity (less flexible)and appears splintery/fibrous depending on the quality. It is very resistant, typically light gray. The first time I found it it looked like an old mylar envelope forced into a crevice. Elton From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Mon Jan 29 03:28:11 2007 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Mon Jan 29 03:29:01 2007 Subject: OT: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent spiders! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007c01c74398$a2c1fa60$133aa8c0@D8YF2G81> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16810841/from/ET/ LOL why do I have this mental image of certain list group members crawling around in dusty crawlspaces with their UV lights checking out the local spider singles scene..... Kay From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Mon Jan 29 04:05:07 2007 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Jan 29 04:05:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Crater of Diamonds Message-ID: <20070129120507.TQJA1543.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Dear Don and Kreigh: Hey fellows! Lets get out of the labratory and into the field! The best information on sifting stonesat Crater of Diamonds, as to equipment and technique, is found in aRock and Gem Magazine, Oct-Nov-Dec 1998. The author actually went to the site and worked with James Archer, who remarked that he had sent his children to college on what he found in the park. The followup article is in a later issue of R & J. Both pieces pointedly discuss what is involved in looking for diamonds. Check it out! Ed Wagner From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 29 05:51:36 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 29 05:51:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample Message-ID: Hi Kitty, That word, "Ubrodolite Q" (if that's what it said), doesn't mean anything to me. I assume it must have just been one particular company's trade name for a specific brand of the asbestos it produced. I was wondering if the name is a takeoff on "crocidolite", which is the riebeckite amphibole variety of asbestos--and which was used a lot in ship construction during WWII as I understand it, and is one of the more toxic types of asbestos. Crocidolite asbestos, when in its natural fibrous form as found in rock, is blue, but I don't know whether the processed material still looks blue, or would just look white; I've only ever seen natural, unprocessed mineral samples. As I understand it, most crocidolite was mined in South Africa, whereas much of the ordinary kind of asbestos (chrysotile) was mined in Quebec, Vermont, and elsewhere. I'm sure you know that a great many mineral collectors have asbestos samples in their collections, and as long as one doesn't grind the material up and blow it around into the air, it really isn't going to ever harm anyone. Especially if the material is in long fibers and fairly matted together, it isn't going to "go anywhere". If you want to keep it, just keeping it in a plastic bag would be more than sufficient safe protection for it. If you don't, I'm certainly not qualified to offer any advice as to its proper disposal; but I'm sure that the only safe, proper, and legal way would be to turn it in to a hazardous materials disposal company. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 06:11:35 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Mon Jan 29 06:11:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines Message-ID: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Since there has been a little discussion about Kitty's unknown asbestos (?), I wanted to interject a different question. I have collected corundum from NC that was gangue from an asbestos mine. Most of the digging is done in wet mud, although some is done in dry areas. How serious are the risks I am assuming by digging at this location? Thanks, Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 06:27:09 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jan 29 06:27:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: OK first let me tell you to investigate this yourself and I am no asbestos expert. But generally asbestos is an inhalation hazard and only that for certain types of asbestos and certain particle sizes. If it were me I wouldn't worry about handling it, you might want to wash your hands after doing so. Just don't deal with pulverized material. Lack of asbestos may have killed a lot of people in the WTC. The idiots who built the tower stopped using asbestos about half way up and used an untested substitute. The substitute turned out to be worthless and provided little fire proofing for the steel beams. If they had used asbestos, which was legal, then that fire probably would not have caused the towers to collapse. So environmentalists killed a couple of thousand people. BK On 1/29/07, Drew wrote: > > Since there has been a little discussion about Kitty's unknown asbestos > (?), > I wanted to interject a different question. I have collected corundum > from > NC that was gangue from an asbestos mine. Most of the digging is done in > wet mud, although some is done in dry areas. How serious are the risks I > am > assuming by digging at this location? > > Thanks, > Drew > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 06:37:17 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jan 29 06:37:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070129143717.67856.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bryan's comments about asbestos hazards are accurate. If you will be generating any dust, it wouldn't hurt to wear a dust mask. This is true for any dust, not specifically asbestos. Jim Daly Drew wrote: Since there has been a little discussion about Kitty's unknown asbestos (?), I wanted to interject a different question. I have collected corundum from NC that was gangue from an asbestos mine. Most of the digging is done in wet mud, although some is done in dry areas. How serious are the risks I am assuming by digging at this location? Thanks, Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 29 07:00:06 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jan 29 07:00:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent spiders! References: Message-ID: <001601c743b6$2a419b40$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> Scorpions are also known to be fluorescent. Rockhounds in the Southwest have discovered this while collecting in the desert at night! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn M. Fredricks" To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:02 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fluorescent spiders! > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16810841/from/ET/ > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From BNMJEFF at aol.com Mon Jan 29 07:15:01 2007 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 29 07:15:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] asbestos and the WTC collapse Message-ID: The article sited after Bryans' remarks was written 3 days after the WTC collapse. Since the collapse there have been many studies done on the subject with the conclusion that the fires were so intense that fire proofing on the steel beams would not have given anyone a 4 hour window to escape the towers, as was stated in the article. The 4 hour window is based on a normal fire, not one fueled by aviation fuel. Also the following link states the opposite to the article that Bryan linked, just to get the other side of the facts _http://cryptome.org/wtc-junksci.htm_ (http://cryptome.org/wtc-junksci.htm) There is also a link at the end of the letter to more information on the engineering failures of the WTC. Sorry to bring this up, but to blame environmentalists for the deaths on 9/11 is not at all fair, especially since it was not environmentalists who forced the ban on asbestos in fire insulation. "The Mt. Sinai School of Medicine?s Irving Selikoff had reported that asbestos workers had higher rates of lung cancer and other diseases. Selikoff then played a key role in the campaign to halt the use of asbestos in construction." Jeff Ursillo Chain of Events http://www.chainofevents.us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 07:18:15 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Mon Jan 29 07:18:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Drew, Although I am not in a position to medically advise you as to the risks of collecting in asbestos rich areas, I freely admit that two of my favorite collecting sites in the US are asbestos rich: the V.A.G. Quarry in Lowell/Eden Mills, VT and the Clear Creek BLM district in San Benito Co., CA. I have regularly collected in the Vermont Asbestos Group quarry at Lowell/Eden Mills Vermont and have personally not considered it to be a hazardous area. The type of asbestos mined from there was crysotile and I have been told that it is apparently absorbed well by the body and is thus not the significant hazard that other forms of asbestos pose. This does not mean it poses no hazard and I do take precautions by wearing a GOOD tight-fitting, cannister-filter, face mask whenever I use my portable diamond saw to trim specimens off boulders. I would suggest that you try to find out what type of asbestos came from the mine that you work in. I have been told by a knowledgeable Harvard geology professor that during the years that the VAG quarry was in operation there was no statistical difference in lung cancer rates in either the miners at the quarry or the population living around the mines when compared with the US as a whole. I personally believe that the current paranoia about asbestos is overblown and serves primarily to keep lawyers and asbestos removal companies profitable. Just do a search on "asbestos hazard" and see what you come up with. I have been told by the same geology professor that only two countries in the world do not distinguish between the various types of asbestos in forming public policy. The US is one of them and I could be mistaken but I believe Germany may be the other. If anyone on the list has better information please share it. On the other hand I realize that it is difficult to tell what kind of asbestos you have when old pipe insulation begins to degrade. Actually you may be safer collecting in an old mine where you know the kind of asbestos that you are dealing with than removing old insulation of unknown composition. This is my personal opinion, offered not as guidance to you, but simply to share the information that I use to guide my collecting decisions. Mineral collecting has several risks and we each have to decide which ones we are willing to take. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 1/29/07, Drew wrote: > > Since there has been a little discussion about Kitty's unknown asbestos > (?), > I wanted to interject a different question. I have collected corundum > from > NC that was gangue from an asbestos mine. Most of the digging is done in > wet mud, although some is done in dry areas. How serious are the risks I > am > assuming by digging at this location? > > Thanks, > Drew > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 07:58:38 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jan 29 07:57:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE19AE.9090806@verizon.net> Drew wrote: > How serious are the risks > I am > assuming by digging at this location? As far as the amphibole/asbestos risks, that would depend enirely upon the species, and the particle size and aspect ration you might inhale. In other words, no one could say without analyzing the material you are digging. Don From tecrump at tgeresources.com Mon Jan 29 08:48:01 2007 From: tecrump at tgeresources.com (Tim Crump) Date: Mon Jan 29 08:48:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <45BE19AE.9090806@verizon.net> Message-ID: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EEE@tge.tgeres.local> In general, EPA and OSHA regulate materials containing 1% or more asbestos. The six types of "asbestos" include chrysotile (white asbestos), amosite (a commercial synonym for grunerite or "brown asbestos"), crocidolite (blue asbestos), tremolite, actinolite and anthophyllite. The white, brown and to a lesser extent blue asbestos were widely used in construction (and still are in other countries). You can actually still buy asbestos-containing materials. All these forms of asbestos can cause adverse health effects. The average fiber size is 0.11 microns to 0.24 microns. This size of fiber will pass through a standard dust mask. To be protective, one must use an air-purifying respirator equipped with a particulate filter. These are sold in most home improvement stores these days. Though, keep in mind that the filters don't last forever. While the risk of injury from digging at a tailings pile is likely greater for a twisted ankle than inhalation of asbestos fibers, if the mine is known to have asbestos minerals present its very simple to remove the inhalation hazard by simply wearing the proper protective gear. Just ask the people of Libby, Montana if asbestos exposure from a mine with a small amount of asbestos mineral is a danger. Timothy E. Crump -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:59 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines Drew wrote: > How serious are the risks > I am > assuming by digging at this location? As far as the amphibole/asbestos risks, that would depend enirely upon the species, and the particle size and aspect ration you might inhale. In other words, no one could say without analyzing the material you are digging. Don -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dr00bert at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 08:58:38 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Mon Jan 29 08:58:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EEE@tge.tgeres.local> References: <45BE19AE.9090806@verizon.net> <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EEE@tge.tgeres.local> Message-ID: <7aac8040701290858k4a676a6era405964e86ee86cd@mail.gmail.com> On 1/29/07, Tim Crump wrote: > > Just ask the people of Libby, Montana if > asbestos exposure from a mine with a small amount of asbestos mineral is > a danger. That is exactly what spurred this question. I heard a little blurb last week on NPR about Libby, MT and I got to thinking about this location. I didn't mean for my question to come across like I wanted a MD's perspective, rather I just wanted to know what others on this list do for protection. I know that there is a huge amount of asbestos, and some are fairly benign, while others are more dangerous. I cannot find any documentation on what kind of asbestos was mined at the location. I can find some other locations in the vicinity that were mined for vermiculite, but I will not assume that is what was mined at the location in question. When I dug there, I dug in wet mud, so there wasn't any dust flying around, I then took buckets of the damp mud to the creek and sifted it. Will getting it wet likely contain the hazard? Thanks for all the replies, as always you guys/gals are great! Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 29 09:02:05 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jan 29 09:02:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADVERTISEMENT- Dana- Textbook of Mineralogy References: <001601c743b6$2a419b40$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000c01c743c7$3abee390$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> I have an early edition of Edward S. Dana's "Textbook of Mineralogy". This was printed in 1900, so I believe it to be a 2nd. edition of the original, which was printed and has a copywrite of 1898. This one was re-bound in 1956, and the binding is in excellent condition. There are no pages missing, ripped or folded, and they are only very slightly yellowed with age (I am also browned with age, and am just a little younger than this book!). There is some hand-written marginalia in ink from the original owner. Anyone interested in any more details or in the price may contact me off-line. Larry Rush From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jan 29 09:07:35 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jan 29 09:07:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EEE@tge.tgeres.local> References: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EEE@tge.tgeres.local> Message-ID: <45BE29D7.6030406@verizon.net> Tim Crump wrote: > Just ask the people of Libby, Montana if > asbestos exposure from a mine with a small amount of asbestos mineral is > a danger. That case is still in litigation and there is a lot of propaganda being spread, either by people with an agenda or well-intentioned but ill-informed activists. The best thing to do to understand the situation is read the mineralogy papers that have been written on the area. Don From tecrump at tgeresources.com Mon Jan 29 09:10:28 2007 From: tecrump at tgeresources.com (Tim Crump) Date: Mon Jan 29 09:10:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <7aac8040701290858k4a676a6era405964e86ee86cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EF0@tge.tgeres.local> In my opinion, yes. Just as an FYI, there are cases of asbestos-related cancers of the digestive tract attributed to drinking water from pipes made with asbestos minerals. So - don't drink the water! :) Timothy E. Crump, P.G., C.P.G. Project Manager TGE Resources, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Drew Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:59 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines On 1/29/07, Tim Crump wrote: > > Just ask the people of Libby, Montana if > asbestos exposure from a mine with a small amount of asbestos mineral is > a danger. That is exactly what spurred this question. I heard a little blurb last week on NPR about Libby, MT and I got to thinking about this location. I didn't mean for my question to come across like I wanted a MD's perspective, rather I just wanted to know what others on this list do for protection. I know that there is a huge amount of asbestos, and some are fairly benign, while others are more dangerous. I cannot find any documentation on what kind of asbestos was mined at the location. I can find some other locations in the vicinity that were mined for vermiculite, but I will not assume that is what was mined at the location in question. When I dug there, I dug in wet mud, so there wasn't any dust flying around, I then took buckets of the damp mud to the creek and sifted it. Will getting it wet likely contain the hazard? Thanks for all the replies, as always you guys/gals are great! Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Mon Jan 29 09:37:55 2007 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Mon Jan 29 09:38:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EF0@tge.tgeres.local> Message-ID: <00ac01c743cc$37056bc0$133aa8c0@D8YF2G81> And there are lung cancers from inhaling Radon in basements of houses where ground infiltration is a problem... Let's not get totally carried away folks. Asbestos is not hydrogen cyanide. Mind you it's not sliced peaches either. With reasonable precautions and handling the danger is minimal..... Mind you a lump of ice could fall out of the sky and bash your brains in too, but the danger of that is minimal as well. Don't get me wrong, Yes I agree Asbestos is a known Cancer causing agent, so is tobacco smoke. Tobacco kills and has killed more people than Asbestos ever did, are we panicking about a little tobacco found in an envelope? Try to keep a sense of proportion and relative risk. The danger for a person who is going once or twice a year to collect in the mine tailings of a old asbestos mine is negligible. The much greater danger would me being hit on the head and killed by a rock at any mine area. Kay -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crump Sent: January 29, 2007 12:10 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In my opinion, yes. Just as an FYI, there are cases of asbestos-related cancers of the digestive tract attributed to drinking water from pipes made with asbestos minerals. So - don't drink the water! :) Timothy E. Crump, P.G., C.P.G. Project Manager TGE Resources, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Drew Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:59 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines On 1/29/07, Tim Crump wrote: > > Just ask the people of Libby, Montana if > asbestos exposure from a mine with a small amount of asbestos mineral is > a danger. That is exactly what spurred this question. I heard a little blurb last week on NPR about Libby, MT and I got to thinking about this location. I didn't mean for my question to come across like I wanted a MD's perspective, rather I just wanted to know what others on this list do for protection. I know that there is a huge amount of asbestos, and some are fairly benign, while others are more dangerous. I cannot find any documentation on what kind of asbestos was mined at the location. I can find some other locations in the vicinity that were mined for vermiculite, but I will not assume that is what was mined at the location in question. When I dug there, I dug in wet mud, so there wasn't any dust flying around, I then took buckets of the damp mud to the creek and sifted it. Will getting it wet likely contain the hazard? Thanks for all the replies, as always you guys/gals are great! Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mineral.maertens at att.net Mon Jan 29 09:39:19 2007 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan) Date: Mon Jan 29 09:39:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano video clip Message-ID: <012920071739.29891.45BE3146000D1A9A000074C321602807419C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> There is a 'poor' video clip about the Indonesian mud outburst on YouTube ... See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJdjcL4aPD4 -- Johan Maertens From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 09:43:13 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jan 29 09:43:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <00ac01c743cc$37056bc0$133aa8c0@D8YF2G81> References: <14F860C36919004DACFEEC61DC176C46200EF0@tge.tgeres.local> <00ac01c743cc$37056bc0$133aa8c0@D8YF2G81> Message-ID: Well the most dangerous thing you did was probably driving to and returning from the mine. 60,000 people a year are killed in auto accidents IIRC. BK > The danger for a person who is going once or twice a year to collect in > the > mine tailings of a old asbestos mine is negligible. The much greater > danger > would me being hit on the head and killed by a rock at any mine area. > > Kay > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Mon Jan 29 10:42:46 2007 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Mon Jan 29 10:42:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano video clip In-Reply-To: <012920071739.29891.45BE3146000D1A9A000074C321602807419C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> References: <012920071739.29891.45BE3146000D1A9A000074C321602807419C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022B9D20@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> At 2:55 in this other clip there's about a minute's worth of additional footage showing houses sunk by the volcano. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrJaCGh1yw Please note: incongruous background music from a family vacation video. You'll have to wait for it to load partway before you can fast forward. -- Peter Sparks -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Johan Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:39 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Mud volcano video clip There is a 'poor' video clip about the Indonesian mud outburst on YouTube ... See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJdjcL4aPD4 -- Johan Maertens -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From libawc at emory.edu Mon Jan 29 12:37:51 2007 From: libawc at emory.edu (Anita D. Westlake) Date: Mon Jan 29 12:37:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADVERTISEMENT- Dana- Textbook of Mineralogy In-Reply-To: <000c01c743c7$3abee390$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> References: <001601c743b6$2a419b40$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> <000c01c743c7$3abee390$b7fbd24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <005101c743e5$5889b4e0$72a38caa@genlibad.library.emory.edu> Hey Larry: I'd be interested in the price. Also, I have your Ft. Drum material right here at my desk at work. I'm going to box it up and send it to you in a day or two. Let me know how you like them. I have no idea how much that croicite is worth, so I'm not sure whether you've made a good trade or not. If not, I'd be happy to send more! Anita -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:02 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] ADVERTISEMENT- Dana- Textbook of Mineralogy I have an early edition of Edward S. Dana's "Textbook of Mineralogy". This was printed in 1900, so I believe it to be a 2nd. edition of the original, which was printed and has a copywrite of 1898. This one was re-bound in 1956, and the binding is in excellent condition. There are no pages missing, ripped or folded, and they are only very slightly yellowed with age (I am also browned with age, and am just a little younger than this book!). There is some hand-written marginalia in ink from the original owner. Anyone interested in any more details or in the price may contact me off-line. Larry Rush -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jan 29 16:42:32 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 29 16:39:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070128204116.040a2ff0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <45BE93A9.3E31@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty, Asbstus, or more commonly Blue Asbstus, is an old common misspelling of asbestus and usually referred to Crocidolite, which Webster equated to 'yellow brown tiger-eye of the jewelers' in the 1913 edition of his Dictionary. Webster added it is related to hornblende and is essentially a silicate of iron and soda. Take it outside, with a light wind blowing onto your back/one side of your face (to carry any dust away from your breathing), and dump it into a glass jar you can close up before bringing it back into the house to examine. Contained asbestus is not a hazard. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > In going through my father's files I found an old postal envelope. The top > has been cut off with scissors so that most of the stamp and cancellation > mark are missing. Inside is a bunch of stuff that looked at first like > white fabric fibres or soft string. But my instinct said, "asbestos," so > I didn't touch it, and haven't yet dumped it out for a closer look. > > I can make out from the 2 or 3 mm bottom of the red stamp that it says <2 > cents> and the postmark says clearly <1941>. Part of the cancellation says > . > > The envelope is typewriter addressed to > > Mr. Wm, C. Knabe, > 3853 Gratz St., > Phila., Pa. > > In the upper right corner under the tiny strip of remaining stamp is > hand-written in black ink (probably fountain pen) in block caps as best I > can make out: > > D 338 AMPHIBOLE > (ASBSTUS) > UBRODOLITE Q > T398 5-14-44 > > The first is not clear, and in the 3rd line the and the are not > clear. In the last line the <5> may be an . Since the postmark is very > clear at 1941, I doubt the last number means a date of 1944, although I > suppose the writing could have been put on three years after the letter was > posted. > > I think I can assume the white stuff is 65-year-old (as least) > asbestos. But does anyone have any more clues as to its origin or meaning? > > Mahalo and aloha, Kitty > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Jan 29 16:40:14 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Jan 29 16:40:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel Channel show In-Reply-To: <000a01c730fe$00682480$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <000a01c730fe$00682480$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <45BE93EE.1010701@ptd.net> Earl, I have just returned from a lenghty business stay in Chicago and had asked my wife and son to record this show.... what I got was a show on gold panning in california. Not bad in its own right but really wanted to see the segment on Sterling Hill. Do you know of any way to view this?? I have checked travel channel on the web and cant find a listing for the show or a rescheduled time for its re-airing..... Thanks Dennis Buffenmyer Earl Verbeek wrote: > > >An upcoming episode of the Travel Channel series "America's Cash and >Treasures" will feature a search for fluorescent minerals at the Sterling >Hill Mining Museum. The show will air (all times PDT and EDT): > > Tuesday, January 9, 10 p.m. > > Wednesday, January 10, 1 a.m. > > Saturday, January 13, 4 p.m. > > > >Please check the show's website for updated listings -- it's possible >they'll change (they already did once), but it's now getting so late to air >time that the posted times are probably OK. Each show features two places, >and I don't know if we'll be the first or second half. The web site for >this show is: > > > >http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/cash-treasures/cash-treasures.html > > > >Clicking on About the Show will lead to you a page where you can access the >show times. > > > >Basically the show opens with the host, Becky Worley, looking at the >extensive collection of fluorescent minerals of Glenn Waychunas, a fellow >doubtless familiar to some of you. Then Becky comes to Sterling Hill, >drills a few holes in the hillside, pounds wedges with a sledgehammer, sends >rock tumbling to the pit floor, and is guided through the underground mine >and on collecting trips by Bob Hauck and me. I don't know any more than >that -- I haven't seen the show and don't have a script, but that's about >what you'll see. So, for those of you wondering what the Sterling Hill mine >looks like, or what it's like to collect here, or what you can find on any >given day, now's your chance. > > > >Believe me, I am looking forward to this with considerable trepidation. I >am much more comfortable behind a camera than in front of it, and hope that >most of the footage with me in it is still lying on the cutting-room floor. >It was also HOT during the three days the crew was here to film, so I fear >we will all look like the soggy people we were. > > > > Cheers- Earl > > > >----------------------------------- > >Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist > >Sterling Hill Mining Museum > >30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 > >973-209-7212 > >shmm@ptd.net > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jan 29 17:14:24 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 29 17:11:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE9B1D.2BD4@Tomaszewski.net> Drew, In my opinion you are probably mitigating most of the risk by collecting in mud because it prevents it from getting into the air where you can breathe it. Breathing rock dust of any kind is generally not good for people or animals. You may want to review the Wiki article on asbestos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos which I thought provided a fairly well balanced explanation of the risks and controversy surrounding this substance. The article cited quantifies the risk by pointing out that less than 10,000 people in the US die each year due to asbestos exposure. You might want to talk to some local experts to better quantify the risks associated with your specific location and the types of asbestos found there. Kreigh Drew wrote: > > Since there has been a little discussion about Kitty's unknown asbestos (?), > I wanted to interject a different question. I have collected corundum from > NC that was gangue from an asbestos mine. Most of the digging is done in > wet mud, although some is done in dry areas. How serious are the risks I am > assuming by digging at this location? > > Thanks, > Drew From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 17:20:30 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jan 29 17:20:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <45BE9B1D.2BD4@Tomaszewski.net> References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> <45BE9B1D.2BD4@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: IIRC a lot of those with problems were people like automobile brake workers who would blow out brake drums, and the powered asbestos, with air before working on them. Industrial workers not people casually exposed. BK On 1/29/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Drew, > > In my opinion you are probably mitigating most of the risk by collecting > in mud because it prevents it from getting into the air where you can > breathe it. Breathing rock dust of any kind is generally not good for > people or animals. > > You may want to review the Wiki article on asbestos > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos > which I thought provided a fairly well balanced explanation of the risks > and controversy surrounding this substance. > > The article cited quantifies the risk by pointing out that less than > 10,000 people in the US die each year due to asbestos exposure. You > might want to talk to some local experts to better quantify the risks > associated with your specific location and the types of asbestos found > there. > > Kreigh > > > > > Drew wrote: > > > > Since there has been a little discussion about Kitty's unknown asbestos > (?), > > I wanted to interject a different question. I have collected corundum > from > > NC that was gangue from an asbestos mine. Most of the digging is done > in > > wet mud, although some is done in dry areas. How serious are the risks > I am > > assuming by digging at this location? > > > > Thanks, > > Drew > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Mon Jan 29 18:28:08 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Mon Jan 29 18:28:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service Message-ID: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, wondered if anyone knows a source for Mineral Information Service (old pub from CA Div of Mines and Geology that ended in 1970). An electronic source would be great, photocopied versions are fine. I need to find Sept 1969 vol 22 no 9 and vol 22 no 10 (Kramer Borate Deposits). I have tried searching on Google and no joy. Any suggestions (I'm pretty far from university libraries)? Tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bilmcc1948 at msn.com Mon Jan 29 18:44:13 2007 From: bilmcc1948 at msn.com (Bill McCullough) Date: Mon Jan 29 18:44:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> References: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A few years ago, I was searching for an elusive, esoteric article in another field of study. I found the local public library would search for it and obtain it for me on inter-library loan. This process was successful. You might give it a try. Bill McCullough -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of tango juli Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:28 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service Hi all, wondered if anyone knows a source for Mineral Information Service (old pub from CA Div of Mines and Geology that ended in 1970). An electronic source would be great, photocopied versions are fine. I need to find Sept 1969 vol 22 no 9 and vol 22 no 10 (Kramer Borate Deposits). I have tried searching on Google and no joy. Any suggestions (I'm pretty far from university libraries)? Tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 2:49 PM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jerrybs at frii.com Mon Jan 29 18:57:07 2007 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Mon Jan 29 19:04:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: References: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070129185411.06b5a010@frii.com> The inter-library loan is usually pretty good. Sometimes they do not allow you to remove the items from the library and you'll need to photocopy them there. Be prepared to pay 10 to 20 cents a page. Jerry Sorensen WA At 06:44 PM 1/29/07, you wrote: >A few years ago, I was searching for an elusive, esoteric article in another >field of study. I found the local public library would search for it and >obtain it for me on inter-library loan. This process was successful. You >might give it a try. > >Bill McCullough -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/07 2:49 PM From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 19:13:22 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jan 29 19:13:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070129185411.06b5a010@frii.com> References: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070129185411.06b5a010@frii.com> Message-ID: Just bring your digital camera and photograph the pages for nothing. BK On 1/29/07, jerry wrote: > > The inter-library loan is usually pretty good. Sometimes they do not > allow you to remove the items from the library and you'll need to > photocopy them there. Be prepared to pay 10 to 20 cents a page. > > Jerry Sorensen > WA > > > At 06:44 PM 1/29/07, you wrote: > > >A few years ago, I was searching for an elusive, esoteric article in > another > >field of study. I found the local public library would search for it and > >obtain it for me on inter-library loan. This process was successful. You > >might give it a try. > > > >Bill McCullough > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/07 > 2:49 PM > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jan 29 18:50:50 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jan 29 19:35:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Crater of Diamonds References: <20070129120507.TQJA1543.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <45BEB1AB.701A@Tomaszewski.net> Ed, Can you, or someone on the List, provide a brief summary of the articles while I try to find a copies of the R&G issues for the full text? Thanks! Kreigh edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net wrote: > > Dear Don and Kreigh: Hey fellows! Lets get out of the labratory and into the field! The best information on sifting stonesat Crater of Diamonds, as to equipment and technique, is found in aRock and Gem Magazine, Oct-Nov-Dec 1998. The author actually went to the site and worked with James Archer, who remarked that he had sent his children to college on what he found in the park. The followup article is in a later issue of R & J. Both pieces pointedly discuss what is involved in looking for discuss what is involved in looking for diamonds. Check it out! Ed Wagner > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Jan 29 20:58:23 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jan 29 20:58:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample In-Reply-To: <45BE93A9.3E31@Tomaszewski.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070128204116.040a2ff0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> <45BE93A9.3E31@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070129175935.042d9870@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Hi all, I just spent a while looking at the envelope with a magnifying glass and believe the word I thought was is actually . I checked the web and found that there's a Verdolite Quarry, C. K. Williams & Co. in Pennsylvania. So the probably stands for and is therefore probably the location where the asbestos was found. Since the letter had an address in PA and my family lived in PA and NJ, that fits. I'm still puzzled as to why this envelope was in my fathers effects in a small box that contained---among other memorabilia---newspaper clippings from 1904 and 1914 of obits for his father and uncle, a handwritten letter from his mother to her uncle dated 1895, and a small leather-bound book of poems his mother wrote for him on the occasion of his birthday each year from his birth in 1987 to the year she died, 1941. My father was not an avid rockhound. He did take my mom and brother and me to collect at Franklin at night in the late 1940's with a SW UV lamp he fitted out with an inverter so it would run off a car battery. But he wasn't much interested in collecting anything else. And why a handful of asbestos would seem as important as his mother's letters and poetry, I have no idea. It's enough to make me try writing an imaginative novel! I will do as Kreigh suggested and put the stuff into a clear container of some sort. Aloha, Kitty --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 29 21:02:14 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 29 21:02:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:38:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, kaydavis@estrie.qc.ca writes: Mind you a lump of ice could fall out of the sky and bash your brains in too, Kay, did you add that line after seeing the story that was on the TV news this morning, about, yes, a big lump of ice falling out the sky in Florida yesterday and bashing in the rear of someone's car? (Is this rock related?--I'm not sure. "It's a bird, it's a plane...) And Drew, as to your corundum digging, if it's mostly all wet mud, there's probably no danger from any asbestos present; only if it were dry & dusty--and even then, I suspect that rock has only a trace of asbestos in it. And I'm guessing you're probably not going to drink much of the muddy water in that pit. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 29 21:07:39 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 29 21:07:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample Message-ID: Kitty, Good that you figured out that name! That's a very famous mineral locality; also known as, from Mindat, Sherrer Quarry, _C.K. Williams & Co. Quarry (Williams Quarry)_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=C.K.+Williams+&+Co.+Quarry+(Williams+Quarry),+Chestnut+H ill,+Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , _Chestnut Hill_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Chestnut+Hill,+Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania ,+USA) , _Easton_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , _Northampton Co._ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , _Pennsylvania_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Pennsylvania,+USA) , _USA_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=USA) and traditionally best known as the Williams or Chestnut Hill Quarry, in Easton, PA. I've been there once... "ages" ago, so long that I really can't remember much about the quarry, but I do have a few samples of serpentine from it--I just came across some last month when I was looking at a couple of boxes of rocks I still have in the basement of my mom's home, in New Hampshire. All the books on Pennsylvania Mineralogy have sections describing it. And being from there, it's surely the "common" chrysotile asbestos, not the fancy crocidolite that we've been talking about. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jan 29 21:12:10 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 29 21:12:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:08:03 PM Mountain Standard Time, Pmodreski@aol.com writes: Sherrer Quarry, _C.K. Williams & Co. Quarry (Williams Quarry)_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=C.K.+Williams+&+Co.+Quarry+(Williams+Quarr y),+Chestnut+H ill,+Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , _Chestnut Hill_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Chestnut+Hill,+Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pe nnsylvania ,+USA) , _Easton_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA ) , _Northampton Co._ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , _Pennsylvania_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Pennsylvania,+USA) , _USA_ (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=USA) Sorry for the gobbledygook; I hate it when it does that to the embedded links (is it my aol, or drizzle.com, that's causing it to come out that way?)... this was supposed to read simply, Sherrer Quarry, C.K. Williams & Co. Quarry (Williams Quarry), Chestnut Hill, Easton, Northampton Co., Pennsylvania, USA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jan 29 21:16:17 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jan 29 21:16:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Crater of Diamonds Message-ID: This looks like the best, most complete advice I've seen yet for this site. Looks like a good way to go in most tailings also. I really want to play in this crater someday soon. Glenn From: Ted@crystalgems.com You probably already know most of these suggestions, so please be patient with me.Bring your own gear; the park rentals are pricey and limited and go through the Park exhibit first. Especially, study their diamond displays. The park periodically plows the ground to expose new material. The digging field is huge and gets hot during sunny days. Bring shade (beach umbrella works) and lots of water. If you read through the park records, many of the famous or bigger diamonds found by tourists were found close to the park entrance. It isn't that this is the best ground, it's only an example of the old rule that many people search their first 100 yards the most. If there has been any recent rain, spend some time just searching the rows. Forget shiny and sparkly, think greasy luster. Also, try not to look for only white/water-clear, most of the Arkansas diamonds are colored with the champagne brown to yellowish colors being among the more common color forms. Also try to look for minute flashes of surface luster. Yeah, you might get lucky and find a multi-carat diamond; more likely is that you will find a diamond in the 1/8th to 1/4 carat range. Several folks have described their diamond finds as resembling pieces of old coke bottles. Think of the abraded pieces of glass you may find on shorelines; translucent rather than transparent and kind of greasy looking. The semi-pros spend a lot of time turning buckets of dirt into buckets of gravel. Yeah, they try to go through less accessible dirt (down several feet), but their actions are really focused on volume. The more dirt; the more gravel, and the more chances for diamonds. One time when I was there, I spent a couple of days just sticking with the semi-pros. They do not tell the park about every diamond they find; in fact they claim very few. If you ask and they are not terribly suspicious of you, they might even show you some of the diamonds they have for sale. If you can, make up several screens for classifying the gravel quickly. Since most of the diamonds are small you need a real fine screen. If you separate out the large chunks with larger mesh screens, the gravel is quicker to search. Work on concentrating the dirt to gravel then take your gravel to a shady spot and go through it slowly. That is, you sit in the shade and you keep the gravel in the sun while searching. The semi-pros often have a convex screen for concentrating the heavier stuff, so they don't have to waste time looking through waste. I've considered trying to mount round kitchen sieve on the bottom of a gold pan for a cheap version. It also helps if you let the dirt soak in water before sifting. When dry, many of the lamproite clumps are like abrasive rocks; soaked a while theyfall apart easily. There are other rocks you can find in the park. I collected quite a few pounds of jasper while I was there, though I was unimpressed with it when I cut it. Consider bringing a SW/LW lamp with you. Some of the diamonds fluoresce in SW and most fluoresce in LW. I've daydreamed about buying one of those UV LED flashlights on EBay and taking it to Crater of Diamonds for use on cloudy days or for searching concentrated gravel in the shade. I don't know how effective their LW frequencies are for diamonds, but I can dream. One time I was at the park I overheard a lady telling someone that she thought she'd found a diamond, but when she put it on a rock and hit it with a hammer it smashed. Don't hit them! Diamonds are hard, not invulnerable. Gear you might like to have: * If you plan to bring buckets and screens, consider an old golf cart; something that carries a lot of gear and has wheels that can travel over soft ground. * Fine screens; classifying screens, if you can, to remove the bigger waste quickly. * Some sort of shovel. You don't need the large garden type if you're not going to dig deep. I like the folding marine type and a small hand shovel. Use the small hand shovel to sort dirt and gravel. The dirt in the park is surprisingly abrasive and you may find your fingers kinda sensitive after working a few buckets of dirt. * Buckets: the more buckets the more dirt you can soak and turn into gravel. If you plan to do volume, then a large garden spade becomes useful. * A light rake and hand shovel If you plan to search the rows. * Definitely personal shade (hats) and sunglasses; shade is minimal at the park and you can quickly get snow-blind in a bright sun. Larger shade is nice, like beach umbrellas or those cheap popup shade tents. * Something to put your finds into. This something should be small, but firmly closes. Pop caps may be convenient, but for some unknown reason, diamonds like to escape such containers. * Magnifying glass * Field microscope; the heavy micro-macro non-diamond minerals are interesting Well, that's all I can think of right now. Good luck! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Jan 29 22:48:56 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jan 29 22:49:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample (typo) Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070129204246.042d9498@mail.hawaiiantel.net> I typed that my father was born in 1987, and it should be 1897...fairly obvious, I hope! ;) Aloha, Kitty From dr00bert at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 05:55:38 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Tue Jan 30 05:55:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: References: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070129185411.06b5a010@frii.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040701300555t1ead6dc1qa8bddeebaa213ca5@mail.gmail.com> I did an intra-library loan through my local library for a USGS publication. The problem was that the book received was an index of publications, it was 3.5" - 4" thick, there was no way to photocopy it. I finally found a copy here, , and bought it. The copy I bought was just the publication, not the index. Drew On 1/29/07, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Just bring your digital camera and photograph the pages for nothing. > > BK > > On 1/29/07, jerry wrote: > > > > The inter-library loan is usually pretty good. Sometimes they do not > > allow you to remove the items from the library and you'll need to > > photocopy them there. Be prepared to pay 10 to 20 cents a page. > > > > Jerry Sorensen > > WA > > > > > > At 06:44 PM 1/29/07, you wrote: > > > > >A few years ago, I was searching for an elusive, esoteric article in > > another > > >field of study. I found the local public library would search for it > and > > >obtain it for me on inter-library loan. This process was successful. > You > > >might give it a try. > > > > > >Bill McCullough > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/07 > > 2:49 PM > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From liz.fodi at utoronto.ca Tue Jan 30 06:34:45 2007 From: liz.fodi at utoronto.ca (Liz Fodi) Date: Tue Jan 30 06:35:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BF5785.9090502@utoronto.ca> For those still interested in this thread the following site may be of value Liz Fodi http://www.chrysotile.com/ From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Jan 30 06:52:57 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Jan 30 06:52:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample References: Message-ID: <002601c7447e$552318c0$03ef254b@LarryRush> I haven't been to the Chestnut Hill Quarry, but I have visited just across the Delaware River, in New Jersey, to a "verd antique" quarry, which is probably the same formation. This one has chrysotile, brecciated with the Franklin limestone (?), and was quarried for a green decorative stone. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample > Kitty, > > Good that you figured out that name! That's a very famous mineral > locality; > also known as, from Mindat, > > Sherrer Quarry, _C.K. Williams & Co. Quarry (Williams Quarry)_ > (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=C.K.+Williams+&+Co.+Quarry+(Williams+Quarry),+Chestnut+H > ill,+Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , _Chestnut Hill_ > (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Chestnut+Hill,+Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania > ,+USA) , _Easton_ > (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Easton,+Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) > , _Northampton Co._ > (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Northampton+Co.,+Pennsylvania,+USA) , > _Pennsylvania_ > (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=Pennsylvania,+USA) , _USA_ > (http://www.mindat.org/rloc.php?loc=USA) > > and traditionally best known as the Williams or Chestnut Hill Quarry, in > Easton, PA. I've been there once... "ages" ago, so long that I really > can't > remember much about the quarry, but I do have a few samples of serpentine > from > it--I just came across some last month when I was looking at a couple of > boxes > of rocks I still have in the basement of my mom's home, in New Hampshire. > All the books on Pennsylvania Mineralogy have sections describing it. > > And being from there, it's surely the "common" chrysotile asbestos, not > the > fancy crocidolite that we've been talking about. > > Pete > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rocknate at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 08:02:54 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Tue Jan 30 08:03:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: <45BF5785.9090502@utoronto.ca> References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> <45BF5785.9090502@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Liz, Thanks for pointing us to this website. It confirms what I had been told by my friend at Harvard. Now if someone could just get the BLM managers of the Clear Creek District in CA to pay attention they might not feel the need to close that area to recreational use for half the year do to concerns about "asbestos" exposure. You can find their "misinformation" page at http://www.blm.gov/ca/hollister/asbestos.html where they discuss at length the potential dangers of asbestos but fail to mention that the most common type of asbestos in the district (chrysotile) is not the cause. Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 1/30/07, Liz Fodi wrote: > > For those still interested in this thread the following site may be of > value > > Liz Fodi > > http://www.chrysotile.com/ > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jan 30 08:40:32 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jan 30 08:40:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample (typo) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20070129204246.042d9498@mail.hawaiiantel.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070129204246.042d9498@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <002d01c7448d$5c290c60$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Kitty, There are a thousand naughty answers to this typo popping up in my brain... Because you're my friend I won't type them and send them around the world... I'm really fighting a heroic fight with my "inner rascal" here! To prevent me from acting on an impulse and against my own will, I glued my fingertips to my buttocks... Hence I'm typing this message with my nose. Aaargh... I just remembered that I have speech recognition on my PC and that I can't glue my tongue to my forehead because my fingers are glued to my buttocks already... Too late... The microphone is on... 1789 is the year that the French revolution started and... Cheers Axel (so much tongue in cheek that I look like a hamster) > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > Verzonden: dinsdag 30 januari 2007 7:49 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample (typo) > > I typed that my father was born in 1987, and it should be > 1897...fairly obvious, I hope! ;) > > Aloha, Kitty > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From tim at orerockon.com Tue Jan 30 08:40:54 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Jan 30 08:40:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines In-Reply-To: References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com> <45BF5785.9090502@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <200701301640.l0UGelv9011552@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I almost died laughing when I saw that they sent ATV riders through the valley with respiratory filters to catch the asbestos fibers they were supposedly breathing in. I don't know if the study is still on the site but they didn't even make mention of the fact that it wasn't the harmful form of the mineral in the first place in what I had seen. Classic example of your gummint blowing your tax dollars on protecting you from the phantom menace. At 08:02 AM 1/30/2007, you wrote: >Liz, >Thanks for pointing us to this website. It confirms what I had been told by >my friend at Harvard. >Now if someone could just get the BLM managers of the Clear Creek District >in CA to pay attention they might not feel the need to close that area to >recreational use for half the year do to concerns about "asbestos" >exposure. You can find their "misinformation" page at >http://www.blm.gov/ca/hollister/asbestos.html >where they discuss at length the potential dangers of asbestos but fail to >mention that the most common type of asbestos in the district (chrysotile) >is not the cause. > >Nate Martin >Lexington, MA Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Jan 30 08:56:19 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Jan 30 08:55:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines References: <7aac8040701290611r648180e9ja75b1f93e2d686d2@mail.gmail.com><45BF5785.9090502@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <001201c7448f$90fc1480$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> I am afraid it is the EPA that is driving the decision to close many of the roads and the trails in the Clear Creek Management Area. Any asbestos poses some hazard. Apparently EPA will not accept the hazard, whatever it may be. It was originally mainly directed at offroad motorcycle riders. Now that they seem to be more aware of other uses such as rockhounding and hunting since they have added us to the list of hazardous activities. Last fall after it was opened up you could still walk anywhere and on the trails. It was closed for most of the year since during a good part of the winter, the roads are impassable. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Martin To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collecting in dumps of old asbestos mines > Liz, > Thanks for pointing us to this website. It confirms what I had been told by > my friend at Harvard. > Now if someone could just get the BLM managers of the Clear Creek District > in CA to pay attention they might not feel the need to close that area to > recreational use for half the year do to concerns about "asbestos" > exposure. You can find their "misinformation" page at > http://www.blm.gov/ca/hollister/asbestos.html > where they discuss at length the potential dangers of asbestos but fail to > mention that the most common type of asbestos in the district (chrysotile) > is not the cause. > > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > > On 1/30/07, Liz Fodi wrote: > > > > For those still interested in this thread the following site may be of > > value > > > > Liz Fodi > > > > http://www.chrysotile.com/ > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.9/650 - Release Date: 1/24/07 > > From rocknate at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 13:17:27 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Tue Jan 30 13:17:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> References: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tina, I'll check with a friend at Harvard and ask him to see if they have these references in their library. They have a lot of old obscure journals that I have used before to check up on some of the references from the MAS/MILS database. If they do have them I may be able to copy them before the February Boston Mineral Club meeting next month. I'll let you know what I find out. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 1/29/07, tango juli wrote: > > Hi all, > wondered if anyone knows a source for Mineral Information Service (old > pub from CA Div of Mines and Geology that ended in 1970). An electronic > source would be great, photocopied versions are fine. I need to find Sept > 1969 vol 22 no 9 and vol 22 no 10 (Kramer Borate Deposits). I have tried > searching on Google and no joy. > Any suggestions (I'm pretty far from university libraries)? > Tina > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jan 30 15:16:59 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 30 15:17:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: References: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C912DBE0B656AE-1C70-9933@FWM-R15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tina, re. those articles you wanted, I just checked, and the USGS Library in Denver has these issues here in their collection; I'd be happy to get copies of them for you. I'll contact you off-list about getting them to you ASAP. cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: rocknate@gmail.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] mineral information service Tina, I'll check with a friend at Harvard and ask him to see if they have these references in their library. They have a lot of old obscure journals that I have used before to check up on some of the references from the MAS/MILS database. If they do have them I may be able to copy them before the February Boston Mineral Club meeting next month. I'll let you know what I find out. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 1/29/07, tango juli wrote: > > Hi all, > wondered if anyone knows a source for Mineral Information Service (old > pub from CA Div of Mines and Geology that ended in 1970). An electronic > source would be great, photocopied versions are fine. I need to find Sept > 1969 vol 22 no 9 and vol 22 no 10 (Kramer Borate Deposits). I have tried > searching on Google and no joy. > Any suggestions (I'm pretty far from university libraries)? > Tina > > ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jan 30 17:30:07 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jan 30 17:52:07 2007 Subject: Fluorescense in Minerals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample} References: <6.2.1.2.0.20070128204116.040a2ff0@mail.hawaiiantel.net> <45BE93A9.3E31@Tomaszewski.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20070129175935.042d9870@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <45BFEF82.3745@Tomaszewski.net> I did a Google search to see if crysotile is fluorescent and hit an "I'm Feeling Lucky" article from "American Mineralogist" titled "Some Factors Influencing Fluorescense in Minerals" by D.J. McDougall. http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/arc/fluor.htm If you are at all interested in fluorescent minerals you really want to read this article. Oh, from the article, crysotile barely fluoresces creamy when chilled with dry ice. Enjoy! Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just spent a while looking at the envelope with a magnifying glass and > believe the word I thought was is actually > . I checked the web and found that there's a > Verdolite Quarry, C. K. Williams & Co. in Pennsylvania. So the > probably stands for and is therefore probably > the location where the asbestos was found. Since the letter had an > address in PA and my family lived in PA and NJ, that fits. > > I'm still puzzled as to why this envelope was in my fathers effects in a > small box that contained---among other memorabilia---newspaper clippings > from 1904 and 1914 of obits for his father and uncle, a handwritten > letter from his mother to her uncle dated 1895, and a small leather-bound > book of poems his mother wrote for him on the occasion of his birthday > each year from his birth in 1987 to the year she died, 1941. My > father was not an avid rockhound. He did take my mom and brother > and me to collect at Franklin at night in the late 1940's with a SW UV > lamp he fitted out with an inverter so it would run off a car > battery. But he wasn't much interested in collecting anything > else. And why a handful of asbestos would seem as important as his > mother's letters and poetry, I have no idea. It's enough to make me > try writing an imaginative novel! > > I will do as Kreigh suggested and put the stuff into a clear container of > some sort. > > Aloha, Kitty From bmainc at qeeg.com Tue Jan 30 18:38:34 2007 From: bmainc at qeeg.com (John & Liz) Date: Tue Jan 30 18:36:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Mineral Information Service Message-ID: <45C0012A.1070704@qeeg.com> Tina, I see you've got someone getting copies from a library, but you and others might sometimes find AbeBooks.com useful, dealers in used and rare books. I've found old and rare mineral books there, sometimes very cheap, sometimes not. In this case, look at http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&y=0&tn=mineral+information+service&x=0 , they've got various issues of MIS reports. John Nash From tangojuli at yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 18:41:20 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Tue Jan 30 18:41:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service In-Reply-To: <200701310203.l0V22eVV032453@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <588517.84160.qm@web60822.mail.yahoo.com> Wanted to say thanks to all of you who provided suggestions and offers to reproduce this article for me. Thanks so much. I hope to provide links in March to a presentation on Owens River evaporite deposits (from a mineral collector-perspective) and will post a link when its ready. I have been thrilled by all the new (compared to a couple years ago) resources on the web--satellite pictures, radar, interferometry (sp) images, articles, etc that really aid in geological research and ramp up presentation and communication capabilities. Slowly, the internet has been increasing access to a world of information and knowledge that was once placebound. Thanks everyone, tina Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: tango juli Subject: [Rockhounds] mineral information service To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <587969.20652.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, wondered if anyone knows a source for Mineral Information Service (old pub from CA Div of Mines and Geology that ended in 1970). An electronic source would be great, photocopied versions are fine. I need to find Sept 1969 vol 22 no 9 and vol 22 no 10 (Kramer Borate Deposits). I have tried searching on Google and no joy. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Tue Jan 30 20:25:07 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Tue Jan 30 20:25:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite In-Reply-To: <200701310203.l0V22eVV032453@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <516995.2883.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Kreigh, thanks for the link. From that link, I was able to find another similiar article that discussed some fluorescent halite I found recently and it gave some good explanations. It suggested going to the dry lake at nite with a black lite, (to find the red stuff--mine is green) so guess where I'll be on saturday! thanks, tina From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Subject: Fluorescense in Minerals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample} I did a Google search to see if crysotile is fluorescent and hit an "I'm Feeling Lucky" article from "American Mineralogist" titled "Some Factors Influencing Fluorescense in Minerals" by D.J. McDougall. http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/arc/fluor.htm If you are at all interested in fluorescent minerals you really want to read this article. Oh, from the article, crysotile barely fluoresces creamy when chilled with dry ice. Enjoy! Kreigh --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jan 30 20:35:16 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jan 30 20:34:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite In-Reply-To: <516995.2883.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> References: <516995.2883.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C01C84.7090105@verizon.net> tango juli wrote: > It suggested going to the dry lake at nite with a black lite, > (to find the red stuff--mine is green) so guess where I'll be on saturday! > thanks, > tina Hi Tina, I worry a little about your use of the term "black light"--do you have an actual UV light that is used for minerals, and is it the right wavelength (either shortwave or longwave) for the minerals you are prospecting? Just checking. Best, Don From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Jan 30 20:58:48 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jan 30 20:58:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite In-Reply-To: <45C01C84.7090105@verizon.net> References: <516995.2883.qm@web60824.mail.yahoo.com> <45C01C84.7090105@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20070130184322.0423ac28@mail.hawaiiantel.net> Hi Tina, I share concern with Don that you may be talking about a "black lite" which is a term in common use for Long Wave lamps and bulbs popular for posters, Halloween and hippy parties. The only halite I have that fluoresces (bright orange) is from Salton Sea and it does so only under Short Wave UV, which involves a much more expensive lamp than the "black lite" LW type. SW can also cause eye damage so it should not be carelessly flashed around where it might shine in people's eyes, especially children's. Of course you may know all this, and if so I apologize! ;) Aloha, Kitty At 06:35 PM 1/30/2007, Don wrote: >Hi Tina, > >I worry a little about your use of the term "black light"--do you have an >actual UV light that is used for minerals, and is it the right wavelength >(either shortwave or longwave) for the minerals you are prospecting? Just >checking. > >Best, >Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jan 30 21:09:16 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 30 21:09:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite Message-ID: My two cents, I'll be she has a real shortwave UV light, and just called it a black light for simplicity. I do the same thing myself, even though I know it's incorrect language, even when giving talks or demonstrations about such things, just because it sounds so much simpler to say "black light" and so cumbersome and geeky to say "shortwave ultraviolet light". (If I'm giving a talk or a demonstration, of course I always make sure that at least once, I explain the proper names for things.) Just like we all sometimes refer to minerals we are collecting as "rocks". cheers, Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Fun4Nancy at aol.com Tue Jan 30 21:21:53 2007 From: Fun4Nancy at aol.com (Fun4Nancy@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 30 21:22:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Please remove my email address from your list. Message-ID: --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jan 30 23:02:21 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jan 30 23:01:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? Message-ID: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> Hi all, For the jewelers among us: my advisor is looking for a small furnace that will reach about 3,000 F. My Kerr Electro-Melt will only hit a max of 2,000 F. I can't find any small furnace that heats above 2,000 F. Can anyone recommend one? Thanks, Don From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jan 31 03:17:46 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jan 31 03:17:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Don, Is there a lower limit for the volume or dimensions of the heating chamber? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: woensdag 31 januari 2007 8:02 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? > > > Hi all, > > For the jewelers among us: my advisor is looking for a small > furnace that will reach about 3,000 F. My Kerr Electro-Melt > will only hit a max of 2,000 F. I can't find any small > furnace that heats above 2,000 F. > Can anyone recommend one? > > Thanks, > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rocknate at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 04:24:41 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Wed Jan 31 04:24:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AbeBooks.com - was RE: Mineral Information Service Message-ID: John, Thanks for the link! I checked on some other books of interest and found it to be a good resource. Now all I need is the time to read all of the things I could get there. Nate Martin On 1/30/07, John & Liz wrote: > > Tina, I see you've got someone getting copies from a library, but you > and others might sometimes find AbeBooks.com useful, dealers in used and > rare books. I've found old and rare mineral books there, sometimes very > cheap, sometimes not. In this case, look at > > http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&y=0&tn=mineral+information+service&x=0 > , they've got various issues of MIS reports. > John Nash > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 04:31:20 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Wed Jan 31 04:31:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals of California Message-ID: Some time ago (a year or more) I remember some email traffic about a plan to update the book Minerals of California by Earl Pemberton. I think the last edition was from 1983. Does anyone know if this effort is still in progress or if it has been abandoned? best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 05:05:59 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jan 31 05:06:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> Message-ID: This probably costs more than you want to spend: You might be able to Ebay one. And Cole Parmer is not the low price leader in lab equipment. Normally tube furnaces are used for really high temps but they are low volume. BK On 1/31/07, DonH wrote: > > > Hi all, > > For the jewelers among us: my advisor is looking for a small furnace > that will reach about 3,000 F. My Kerr Electro-Melt will only hit a max > of 2,000 F. I can't find any small furnace that heats above 2,000 F. > Can anyone recommend one? > > Thanks, > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 06:43:14 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Jan 31 06:43:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Please remove my email address from your list. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7aac8040701310643x11de9deet9c6bc718b84b1311@mail.gmail.com> Click the Subcription Services link at the bottom of every email from the group, this will get you to the spot where you can unsubscribe. Drew On 1/31/07, Fun4Nancy@aol.com wrote: > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 08:05:45 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jan 31 08:04:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> <000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <45C0BE59.4050007@verizon.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > Is there a lower limit for the volume or dimensions of the heating chamber? Yes--it needs to hold a piece of steel, but I'm not sure how large. My Kerr furnace has a graphite crucible about 5cm wide and 15cm long, and that would be barely big enough. Don From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 08:11:49 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jan 31 08:12:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45C0BFC5.4070206@verizon.net> J Bryan Kramer wrote: > This probably costs more than you want to spend: > > Thanks, He was willing to spend a few thousand for the models I knew about, but five figures is another matter. I see there is a big price jump once you exceed 2,000 F, for some reason. Don From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Tue Jan 30 09:31:42 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Wed Jan 31 11:29:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel Channel show In-Reply-To: <45BE93EE.1010701@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000001c74494$81d3d2e0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: Earl, I have just returned from a lenghty business stay in Chicago and had asked my wife and son to record this show.... what I got was a show on gold panning in california. Not bad in its own right but really wanted to see the segment on Sterling Hill. Do you know of any way to view this?? ----------------------------------- Hello Dennis (and list), I don't know when or if this particular show will air again, and I doubt we'd receive any special notification of it. Here at the museum we have a borrowed DVD that we will attempt to copy, plus a couple of friends have recorded the show on tape, so I suppose we could copy one of those too. That's all I know at the moment . . . The segment on gold panning was the second half-hour of the show. Sterling Hill was on the first half-hour. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Wed Jan 31 12:08:54 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Wed Jan 31 12:08:44 2007 Subject: Fluorescence in Minerals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] 1941 asbestos sample} In-Reply-To: <45BFEF82.3745@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000001c74573$a2562a60$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Kreigh wrote: I did a Google search to see if crysotile is fluorescent and hit an "I'm Feeling Lucky" article from "American Mineralogist" titled "Some Factors Influencing Fluorescense in Minerals" by D.J. McDougall. http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/arc/fluor.htm If you are at all interested in fluorescent minerals you really want to read this article. Oh, from the article, crysotile barely fluoresces creamy when chilled with dry ice. ----------------------------------- It is not uncommon for members of the serpentine group to fluoresce, though to date I've observed this only in tan to brown-colored serpentines rather than in the more "traditional" green examples. A specimen of rather brightly fluorescent, massive clinochrysotile from Franklin, New Jersey, was described in a recent issue of The Picking Table, the journal of the Franklin-Ogdensburg Mineralogical Society here in New Jersey. I've observed similar responses in serpentine specimens from several other localities as well. If any of you have specimens of tan to brown serpentine ("deweylite") from the State Line serpentine belt of PA and MD, give them a try -- I'll bet they fluoresce. The article accessed through the link that Kreigh provided is quite interesting, but please note the date: 1952, more than half a century ago. MUCH has been learned about fluorescence in the meantime, and some of that is available in the hobbyist literature, particularly in the two books by Manuel Robbins, and also in the book by Warren et al. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jan 31 12:30:18 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jan 31 12:30:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <45C0BE59.4050007@verizon.net> References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net><000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45C0BE59.4050007@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004601c74576$9fe71ed0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Don, In my Fisher/BioBlock catalogue prices are reasonable until you get to 1400?. 1800? costs an arm and a leg (around 12.000 Euros!)... I can only guess what body parts you'd have to give up to reach what you want. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: woensdag 31 januari 2007 17:06 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Is there a lower limit for the volume or dimensions of the > heating chamber? > > > Yes--it needs to hold a piece of steel, but I'm not sure how > large. My Kerr furnace has a graphite crucible about 5cm > wide and 15cm long, and that would be barely big enough. > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 12:57:30 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Jan 31 12:57:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <004601c74576$9fe71ed0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> <000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45C0BE59.4050007@verizon.net> <004601c74576$9fe71ed0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: The one I mentioned was quoted at about $8000 and I think had a 150 cubic inch volume and 1700 deg C. So it's fairly large as these ovens go, BK On 1/31/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hi Don, > > In my Fisher/BioBlock catalogue prices are reasonable until you get to > 1400?. > 1800? costs an arm and a leg (around 12.000 Euros!)... I can only guess > what > body parts you'd have to give up to reach what you want. > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > > Verzonden: woensdag 31 januari 2007 17:06 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > Is there a lower limit for the volume or dimensions of the > > heating chamber? > > > > > > Yes--it needs to hold a piece of steel, but I'm not sure how > > large. My Kerr furnace has a graphite crucible about 5cm > > wide and 15cm long, and that would be barely big enough. > > > > Don > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 15:49:14 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jan 31 15:47:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> <000f01c74529$6fca19c0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <45C0BE59.4050007@verizon.net> <004601c74576$9fe71ed0$6601a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <45C12AFA.4020302@verizon.net> J Bryan Kramer wrote: > The one I mentioned was quoted at about $8000 and I think had a 150 cubic > inch volume and 1700 deg C. So it's fairly large as these ovens go, > > BK That's cool. I told him the results today. He is looking around at university surplus and at nearby universities' surplus. But now we have a price range and some vendors. Thanks to everyone! Actually I don't remember what I said previously, but he needs up to 1600 C, so this unit is in the ballpark. Don From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 31 17:15:04 2007 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Wed Jan 31 17:15:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamonds in Ark Articles Message-ID: <20070201011504.LYUE2921.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Dear Kreigh: First, good summary from Ted K. Next, I found the articles in a cardboard box: Rock and Gem, Dec 98: Vol.28,No 12: James and Jeanette Monaco: All That Glitters; R&G Aug.2000, Vol 30, No 8:J and J Monaco, Star of Arkansas. I seem to remember another few recent articles about collecting there, from 2006. The earlier articles also describe dimensionsof screens, and a list of needed tools. Hey, good luck! Ed Wagner From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jan 31 19:39:54 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 31 19:39:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? References: <45C03EFD.7020504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45C15E91.6CE8@Tomaszewski.net> Don, Make a hollow cylinder of firebrick for an oven. Heat the crucible inside it with a Hydrogen/Oxygen flame from a welding torch that goes up to about 3200C (or MAPP/Oxygen, that hits 2900C). I would think you should be able to hit 3000F easily with a homemade contraption for under a couple K$. It might be cheaper to build one than to buy one. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Hi all, > > For the jewelers among us: my advisor is looking for a small furnace > that will reach about 3,000 F. My Kerr Electro-Melt will only hit a max > of 2,000 F. I can't find any small furnace that heats above 2,000 F. > Can anyone recommend one? > > Thanks, > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Wed Jan 31 20:21:31 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Wed Jan 31 20:21:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: <45C12AFA.4020302@verizon.net> Message-ID: You can check these guys out too, I have this particular model that I make sliver clay jewlery in. http://paragonkilns.com/SC2.htm Dawn From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 31 20:23:52 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jan 31 20:23:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Fluorescense in Minerals Message-ID: Thanks for the great link Kreigh! Glenn From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net I did a Google search to see if crysotile is fluorescent and hit an "I'm Feeling Lucky" article from "American Mineralogist" titled "Some Factors Influencing Fluorescense in Minerals" by D.J. McDougall. http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/arc/fluor.htm If you are at all interested in fluorescent minerals you really want to read this article. Oh, from the article, crysotile barely fluoresces creamy when chilled with dry ice. Enjoy! Kreigh _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jan 31 20:46:03 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jan 31 20:35:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Diamonds in Ark Articles References: <20070201011504.LYUE2921.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <45C16E0A.55BE@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks Ed! Knowing what issues and articles to look for is a big help. Kreigh edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net wrote: > > Dear Kreigh: First, good summary from Ted K. Next, I found the articles in a cardboard box: Rock and Gem, Dec 98: Vol.28,No 12: James and Jeanette Monaco: All That Glitters; R&G Aug.2000, Vol 30, No 8:J and J Monaco, Star of Arkansas. I seem to remember another few recent articles about collecting there, from 2006. The earlier articles also describe dimensionsof screens, and a list of needed tools. Hey, good luck! Ed Wagner > From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 20:40:13 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jan 31 20:39:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] high temp melting furnaces for casting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C16F2D.7060509@verizon.net> Dawn M. Fredricks wrote: > You can check these guys out too, I have this particular model that I > make sliver clay jewlery in. > > http://paragonkilns.com/SC2.htm Neat! How long have you had it? This seems to be a very reasonable price for such a thing, and I always worry. By the way, my advisor told me this afternoon he would also like a lower-temperature unit if the higher-temperature unit is prohibitively expensive, and this one looks like a candidate. Don From tangojuli at yahoo.com Wed Jan 31 22:13:02 2007 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Wed Jan 31 22:13:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite:Blk light/Tina's cheap wave Message-ID: <131677.27424.qm@web60813.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to Kitty and DonH who are concerned about my possible frustration on a possibly remote lake bed on saturday nite, waving a light bought at Spencers ;) The article from this 1946 article I linked to last nite, used the term black light. I just repeated it in a quickie response to the list. Sorry for being imprecise. Right on, Pete: I actually have what I call CHEAP wave--a small $40 short wave light (bought from a rock shop). I call it cheap wave since I can't afford the long wave which appears to be a modest mortguage payment. (It says short wave on the label, made by UVP in Upland CA.) It will be curious to note if under long wave it fluorescences red (like the article talks abt) and orange under short??? I am afraid I've only half listened to the discussions on this subject over the years, so fluorescence is somewhat new to me. (drats. ANOTHER hobby. MORE ROCKS!) Kitty--it's not salton sea--but I need to rd trip down there for some of that halite. It's another one in the east desert--different drainage--but maybe similar compositions? . Question is what causes it? The 1946 article discusses manganese inclusions. I'll have to do some more research on this. Thanks everyone. PS-I too saw the show with Earl on Sterling Hill and was totally sucked in. Great show, and had me dragging my cheap wave around the house on all the rocks. Found out where the cat barfed instead. tina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jan 31 22:44:36 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 31 22:44:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent halite:Blk light/Tina's cheap wave Message-ID: Hi Tina, What you do have is, as you say, a short wave light--the best, and correct, kind. Long wave lights are cheaper and generally less useful for minerals (except for certain species). Long wave lights commonly cost about 1/2 that of shortwave, but otherwise, it's mostly just the size (power) that determines the price. I have one of those small, battery-powered SW lights like you do; yes, they cost about $40; a similar LW light is about $20. Because "black lights" are often used for the common longwave lights (yes, such as sold by Spencers), some people do like to restrict that term to the longwave ones. And the red-orange fluorescence of halite (as well as calcite) is due to manganese in the mineral; not as "inclusions", but more properly described as manganese ions (Mn++) substituting for sodium (in halite) or calcium (in calcite). Yes, always further subtleties, a "co-activator" must be present also for them to be fluorescent; that is generally lead ions, in concentrations much smaller than that of the manganese. Keep on glowing and all that stuff, Pete (I got to see a tape of the Sterling Hill "Cash and Treasures" episode too, and I thought it was a lot of fun.) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---