From robynahawk at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 13:12:11 2007 From: robynahawk at yahoo.com (Robyn Hawk) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:12:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interested in Collection? In-Reply-To: <200707010101.l6110uHU027721@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <435630.13293.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you would like to be considered for this donation please forward the info to me privately at robynahawk@yahoo.com . I will need the following by the end of day 5:00pm EST: Name of your Organization Location Contact Info: Name and Title Phone Number Email Website (if available) A paragraph explaining what they might be able to do with an International gem and mineral collection and their plans for the rough. By sending this information you are NOT committing to anything - this contact info is merely going on a list that will be given to the donor. The donor is going to contact the people on the list to determine where he would like to see this donation go. BTW - if you are a dealer and interested in the collection let me know as I am also sending him a list of dealers that might be interested. Dealers should send the same info listed above. Feel free to forward this information to anyone you feel might be interested. Robyn Hawk --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Bobslgn at aol.com Sun Jul 1 13:24:50 2007 From: Bobslgn at aol.com (Bobslgn@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:24:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield, NV and Nuclear Waste routes Message-ID: Gemfield List Members Grant >Are you talking about the place near Goldfield, in Esmralda Co.? Yes, Gemfield, NV is about nine miles from the town of Goldfield, NV Teresa Since my original posting I did some net searching and found a letter from Metallic Goldfield, a mining group, which owns/operates various claims in the Goldfield area, including one or more in Gemfield. The letter, see link, is requesting revision of, or reconsideration to the EIS, Environmental Impact Study for what is called the "Mina Route". the letter is Dated December 1, 2006 _http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/transport/scoping/comments/MPCRD060082.pdf_ (http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/transport/scoping/comments/MPCRD060082.pdf) They talk about the "Mina Route" option, which would bring a new rail line from Hawthorne over the top of the Gemfield deposit to Yucca Mtn. _http://www.yuccamountain.org/image/mina-route-map_s.jpg_ (http://www.yuccamountain.org/image/mina-route-map_s.jpg) The deposit, of which they speak, is the gold, which they are mining, however the proximity to the agate beds would also be a problem. Other references _Click here: Eureka County, Nevada -- Yucca Mountain.org -- What's New_ (http://www.yuccamountain.org/new.htm) Have much more information than you all would like me to list here. In summary, from what I can tell, it seems that this is ten or more years off. This doesn't quite fit the urgency described by the flintnapping gentlemen from Bishop, CA, who I met in Gemfield. Thanks, Bob ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Sun Jul 1 16:30:26 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sun Jul 1 16:30:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Zeolite book by Rudy Tschernich References: <200706290101.l5T10xEB006754@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00be01c7bc37$ce4af2f0$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> I think someone on this group asked about the possibility of getting Rudy Tscherniche's book on zeolites and if there were any plans to republish it. Here is what he answered: Hi Rock, No, there is no plans for a reprint. The film has been destroyed. Many people have asked about a copy but few are willing to pay more than the $85. it originally sold for. It is interesting that the book sold for $85. The wholesale price was 50% and I got 10% of the wholesale price for writing it. I took in about $4. per copy and then had to pay income tax on that. Now where did I make any money? If anyone wants to copy it they are welcome to do so. Rudy W. Tschernich Curator Rice Northwest Museum of Rocks and Minerals 26385 NW Groveland Drive Hillsboro, Oregon 97124 503-647-2418 Museum 503-647-5207 Fax 503-648-9880 Home tschernich@msn.com From robynahawk at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 19:58:59 2007 From: robynahawk at yahoo.com (Robyn Hawk) Date: Sun Jul 1 19:59:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200707020103.l6212xnX022530@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <685415.46729.qm@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am so sorry - this is in reference to the Gem & Mineral Collection in Rochester, NY - and was supposed to read 5:pm EST Monday, July 2nd. Let's try this again... If you would like to be considered for this donation please forward the info to me privately at robynahawk@yahoo.com . I will need the following by the end of day 5:pm EST, Monday, July 2nd: Name of your Organization Location Contact Info: Name and Title Phone Number Email Website (if available) A paragraph explaining what they might be able to do with an International gem and mineral collection and their plans for the rough. By sending this information you are NOT committing to anything - this contact info is merely going on a list that will be given to the donor. The donor is going to contact the people on the list to determine where he would like to see this donation go. BTW - if you are a dealer and interested in the collection let me know as I am also sending him a list of dealers that might be interested. Dealers should send the same info listed above. Feel free to forward this information to anyone you feel might be interested. Robyn Hawk --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Jul 2 06:12:20 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 06:12:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Academy of Natural Sciences Vaux collection Message-ID: A few more details on the story about the Vaux collection, I "googled" the article title and came up with this blog commentary online that discusses it further, including links to the newspaper stories and a press release from the Academy. Pete Modreski (if you go to the link below, scroll down through the first part of the column to get to the part about the Academy, which I've reproduced below) _http://paelderestatefiduciary.blogspot.com/2007/06/philly-rocks-stay-home-pai ntings-too.html_ (http://paelderestatefiduciary.blogspot.com/2007/06/philly-rocks-stay-home-paintings-too.html) Just last week, the _Academy of Natural Science_ (http://www.ansp.org/) in Philadelphia announced in a _Press Release, dated _ (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-06/taon-avt061507.php) _June 15, 2007_ (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-06/taon-avt061507.php) , entitled "Academy vows to retain mineral collection", that "[t]he Academy of Natural Sciences has no intention of giving up its historic William S. Vaux mineral collection." President and CEO Dr. William Y. Brown, in an affidavit signed today in the Orphans? Court Division of the Court of Common Pleas, makes those intentions crystal clear. According to Brown?s testimony, if the proposed sale of the 7,300-piece collection is not approved by the court, the Academy is ?prepared to keep and properly care for the collection.? In preparation, the Academy has developed a multi-year plan that addresses the measures taken to ensure the collection is in top condition. * * * "The Academy looks forward to caring for the Vaux Collection and providing access to it along with the earliest minerals collected in the Americas by the Lewis & Clark expedition and others," said Brown. ?The vast and seminal collections of the Academy, including these, date from the dawn of science in this hemisphere. We have no higher priority than their stewardship.? For newspaper reports regarding this development in the maintenance of the Vaux Collection and the proceeding before the Orphans' Court Division, of the Court of Common Pleas of Philadelphia County, PA, see: _"Academy will not sell historic mineral collection"_ (http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-51/1182014956306990.xml&storylist=penn) , published on June 16, 2007, by The Associated Press, and posted online by PennLive. The Academy of Natural Sciences has abandoned a controversial plan to sell a historic mineral collection. Academy president William Y. Brown signed an affidavit Friday saying the institution "is prepared to keep and properly care for the collection." * * * The proposed sale of the William S. Vaux collection generated months of debate among local advocates and in the national mineralogic community when it was announced last year. Some felt it would be close to sacrilege to sell the 7,300-piece collection, which probably would have led to its being broken up. It was amassed in the 1800s, when Philadelphia was considered a cradle of mineralogy. * * * But court approval was needed for the sale because Vaux, a Victorian gentleman and academy officer, had specified in his bequest to the institution that the minerals remain on view there. That bequest already had been violated, since the collection had for years been locked away, unavailable for either display or study. With no full-time curator, some specimens had deteriorated. Some had been pilfered. Vaux's great-great-niece, Trina Vaux of Bryn Mawr, who opposed the sale, submitted a plan at a court hearing last spring to have Bryn Mawr College and the Wagner Free Institute of Science take the collection. With no money to be made in such a transfer, and indications that the court would rule against the sale, the academy decided to have Brown sign the affidavit, which is expected to be filed Monday in Orphans' Court. * * * See also: _"Local Museum Decides Not to Sell Collection",_ (http://cbs3.com/topstories/local_story_167135517.html) posted by _KYW News_ (http://cbs3.com/) on June 16, 2007; and _"Rock on: Academy won't sell collection"_ (http://www.philly.com/philly/ health_and_science/20070616_Rock_on__Academy_wont_sell_collection.html) , by Sandy Bauers, published on June 16, 2007, in the _Philadelphia Inquirer_ (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/) . [Academy President William Y.] Brown took over the presidency in February and seemed to be a clear advocate for the collections. "I feel very strongly that the Academy of Natural Sciences needs to, in general, stand ready to care for its entire collection," he said yesterday. "I think that's expected of us by the people of Philadelphia and people throughout the world that know the academy." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 07:56:06 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Mon Jul 2 07:56:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV In-Reply-To: References: <002b01c7bb61$697e5fa0$2784633f@marilyn> Message-ID: Andrew, Thanks for your informative posting. One of the great things about this email list is the opportunity to get clarification on subjects from people who have first-hand knowledge of the subject. Otherwise may hear only third or fourth hand information and draw wrong conclusions. We always need to remain open to hearing the facts. Thanks again. Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 6/30/07, Andrew Turner wrote: > > Without getting too political on the subject, I felt that I needed to > clarify a little. Please be aware that I am in no way trying to criticize > anyone but rather add what I believe to be relavent information on the > subject in order for people to get both sides. > > "Apparently, the > >>guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on > >>the instability of the subterranian strata creating a > >>significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that > >>feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear > >>to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding > >>full steam ahead" > > I would assume that you are not referring to tens of thousands of papers > written about Yucca Mountain by geologists, physicists, biologists, > chemists, materials research scientists, as well as structural, > mechanical, > mettallurgical, ceramic, and civil engineers (etc., etc.) that show that > the > repository location and conceptual model is signficantly safer and > exponentially better than how spent nuclear fuel is currently stored (i.e. > outside with very little safeguards and almost no barriers protecting it > from entering the subsurface or groundwater). Yucca Mountain is currently > the most researched non-ore related geologic site in the world. While > there > are some issues (an oxidizing environement being one of them), no one is > dismissing science nor are they going full steam ahead (Yucca Mountain was > supposed to open approximately 5 years ago). > > "creating a significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that > >>feeds Las Vegas." > > I have written three publications (including my Master's thesis) on > potential spent fuel radionuclide transport in the subsurface and > groundwater at Yucca Mountain while getting funded by the Office of > Civilian > Radioactive Waste Management (part of the DOE), Argonne National > Laboratory > (where I did an internship), and the Missouri School of Mines. > > Water that drains from Yucca Mountain eventually makes it to Badwater > Basin > in Death Valley. There are no perennial streams, major bodies of water, > or > wetlands within any of the withdrawal area. No one (especially Vegas) > obtains water from this area due to remoteness and extreme > alkalinity. The > repository would be placed over 800 ft above the water table (and 1,000 ft > underground). This area receives between 4 and 10 inches of rain per > year, > with an evaporation potential of 66 inches. Even during the wettest > years, > total infiltration of water into the repository area is expected to be > about > 4.7mm per year. Meteoric water would not expect to reach the repository > for > tens of thousands of years at this rate. After reaching the repository, > water would need to come in contact with spent fuel (difficult considering > the Alloy-22 outer waste package, stainless steel inner shell, and three > alloy and steel lids), carry the dissolved radionuclides (many of which > are > not readily soluble) some 800 ft to the water table, then get carried at a > very very slow rate to Death Valley for someone to even be potentially > exposed to it (although drinking that water would kill you much quicker > than > the spent fuel radionuclides). > > "Three Mile Island at the meltdown" > I won't argue the merits of whether Three Mile Island is considered a > meltdown, but that really has nothing to do with the storage of spent > nuclear fuel that has already been produced at nuclear reactors and > government facilities in the country. It has already been produced and > needs to be stored and maintained even if nuclear technology is completely > ended in this country. > > Andrew Turner > Victorville, CA > > M.S.: Turner, AS, Synthesis of Uranium Phosphate Phases and Potetial > Retardation Effects on Spent Fuel Radionuclides, University of > Missouri-Rolla, 2003. > > Turner, AS and Wronkiewicz, DJ, Synthesis of uranium phosphate phases and > potential retardation effects on spent fuel radionuclides. Geological > Society of America Abstracts, 2002. > > Turner, AS and Wronkiewicz, DJ, Synthesis of uranium phosphate phases and > potential retardation effects on spent fuel radionuclides. Scientific > Basis > for Nuclear Waste Management XXVI, V. 757, 2003. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 2 08:25:07 2007 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen) Date: Mon Jul 2 08:25:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Keith Hodson passing Message-ID: <200707021525.l62FPKbn001194@bubbleator.drizzle.com> To those friends and acquaintances of Keith Hodson, Keith passed from this life on Saturday night. Keith was one of the early miners and developers of precious opal mining in the Virgin Valley of northern Nevada. Keith was former owner of the Bonanza Opal mine and was the owner of the Rainbow Ridge Opal mine. Glenn Hodson, Keith's son, is now operating the Rainbow Ridge mine. From rockcurrier at cs.com Mon Jul 2 10:03:22 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:03:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily References: <200707020103.l6212xna022530@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002f01c7bcca$e626b2e0$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> The Academy is not going to sell the Vaux collection and has instead placed a staff paleontologist in charge of the collection. Is this something that we should be glad about? The gentleman is probably very well qualified for caring for fossils, and I am sure that somewhere in his early training he had a geology course where he learned how to distinguish calcite and gypsum from quartz & pyrite, but one wonders how many of the specimens in the Vaux collection he could identify without looking at their labels. So now what will become of the collection? A small token display of the minerals in a prominent place in the Academy till the heat dies down? And of the rest of the collection? Placed in a remote a location as they can manage? How many people saw the collection during the last 40 years? Probably less than 100. How many will see it during the next two generations? Certainly not very many. They just don't have the staff to hold peoples hands while they go through the drawers. Would it not be better to have sold the things to collectors where the specimens would be much more widely available and seen. At least the collectors would know what they are and how much they are worth. No one at the Academy does. Rock From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Jul 2 12:47:30 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:49:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily References: <200707020103.l6212xna022530@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c7bcca$e626b2e0$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <002301c7bce1$d427f380$6400a8c0@Junior> Well, obviously, all the people that howled about the sale of the collection will be volunteering to unpack, identify, clean, label, store, display, and curate it into infinity. Any funding required to do the above will of course come from the same people. I'm all for material being conserved in museums, provided the museums have the will, the staff, and the funding to properly curate it. If the museums are lacking; if they're just mindlessly accumulating, then why shouldn't they try to figure out what they're good at, what their purpose is, and get the stuff that they're not going to properly curate on the market where the specimens will find loving homes. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rock Currier" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily > The Academy is not going to sell the Vaux collection and has instead > placed a staff paleontologist in charge of the collection. Is this > something that we should be glad about? The gentleman is probably very > well qualified for caring for fossils, and I am sure that somewhere in his > early training he had a geology course where he learned how to distinguish > calcite and gypsum from quartz & pyrite, but one wonders how many of the > specimens in the Vaux collection he could identify without looking at > their labels. So now what will become of the collection? A small token > display of the minerals in a prominent place in the Academy till the heat > dies down? And of the rest of the collection? Placed in a remote a > location as they can manage? How many people saw the collection during the > last 40 years? Probably less than 100. How many will see it during the > next two generations? Certainly not very many. They just don't have the > staff to hold peoples hands while they go through the drawers. Would it > not be better to have sold the things to collectors where the specimens > would be much more widely available and seen. At least the collectors > would know what they are and how much they are worth. No one at the > Academy does. > > Rock > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Mon Jul 2 15:14:56 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:16:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily References: <200707020103.l6212xna022530@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c7bcca$e626b2e0$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <002301c7bce1$d427f380$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <002e01c7bcf6$b7a46710$5779a118@feldsparflash> I personally believe the concern was about the Academy going back on their promise to Vaux. The academy received the collection with the stipulation it would stay at the Academy. Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." To: "Rock Currier" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily > Well, obviously, all the people that howled about the sale of the collection > will be volunteering to unpack, identify, clean, label, store, display, and > curate it into infinity. > > Any funding required to do the above will of course come from the same > people. > > I'm all for material being conserved in museums, provided the museums have > the will, the staff, and the funding to properly curate it. If the museums > are lacking; if they're just mindlessly accumulating, then why shouldn't > they try to figure out what they're good at, what their purpose is, and get > the stuff that they're not going to properly curate on the market where the > specimens will find loving homes. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rock Currier" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:03 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily > > > > The Academy is not going to sell the Vaux collection and has instead > > placed a staff paleontologist in charge of the collection. Is this > > something that we should be glad about? The gentleman is probably very > > well qualified for caring for fossils, and I am sure that somewhere in his > > early training he had a geology course where he learned how to distinguish > > calcite and gypsum from quartz & pyrite, but one wonders how many of the > > specimens in the Vaux collection he could identify without looking at > > their labels. So now what will become of the collection? A small token > > display of the minerals in a prominent place in the Academy till the heat > > dies down? And of the rest of the collection? Placed in a remote a > > location as they can manage? How many people saw the collection during the > > last 40 years? Probably less than 100. How many will see it during the > > next two generations? Certainly not very many. They just don't have the > > staff to hold peoples hands while they go through the drawers. Would it > > not be better to have sold the things to collectors where the specimens > > would be much more widely available and seen. At least the collectors > > would know what they are and how much they are worth. No one at the > > Academy does. > > > > Rock > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:10:14 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:10:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV Message-ID: Dittos to that Nate. You cannot believe much these days on any subject, especially what you read in the news. Glenn > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:56:06 -0400> From: rocknate@gmail.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV> > Andrew,> Thanks for your informative posting. One of the great things about this> email list is the opportunity to get clarification on subjects from people> who have first-hand knowledge of the subject. Otherwise may hear only third> or fourth hand information and draw wrong conclusions. We always need to> remain open to hearing the facts. Thanks again.> Nate Martin> Lexington, MA> _________________________________________________________________ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club.? http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From RskRock2000 at aol.com Mon Jul 2 18:42:04 2007 From: RskRock2000 at aol.com (RskRock2000@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:42:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV Message-ID: Hi Andrew, I agree with Nate, nice to have some clarification from people who have first hand knowledge. I am not very knowledgeable in that area so I ask you for your thoughts on the following: There was a recent TV program on France's nuclear energy industry. Nuclear energy not only provides for most of their domestic electricity usage, but they also sell electricity to several other European countries. Why not follow France's example of reprocessing the spent fuel and storage of the greatly reduced volume on site in their one reprocessing plant. Recognizing the security risk of weapons grade material stored, to date the French appear to have that sufficiently controlled in the design and protections of their plant. So finally my question is why do we need to store at Yucca at all? Sid Pomper Boston, Ma. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jul 2 19:12:44 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jul 2 19:09:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV References: Message-ID: <4689AFBF.301A@Tomaszewski.net> Sid, Even in you reprocess spent radioactives using new technology that 'prevents' making bombs (see Scientific American a few months ago) there is still some 'hot' waste that needs to go into storage (long term for people, short term geologically); Yucca, or equivalent, will be with us for a long time unless there is a breakthru in understanding nuclear technology and physics. Kreigh RskRock2000@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > I agree with Nate, nice to have some clarification from people who have > first hand knowledge. > > I am not very knowledgeable in that area so I ask you for your thoughts on > the following: > > There was a recent TV program on France's nuclear energy industry. Nuclear > energy not only provides for most of their domestic electricity usage, but > they also sell electricity to several other European countries. Why not follow > France's example of reprocessing the spent fuel and storage of the greatly > reduced volume on site in their one reprocessing plant. > > Recognizing the security risk of weapons grade material stored, to date the > French appear to have that sufficiently controlled in the design and > protections of their plant. > > So finally my question is why do we need to store at Yucca at all? > > Sid Pomper Boston, Ma. > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 07:03:26 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jul 3 07:03:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily In-Reply-To: <002e01c7bcf6$b7a46710$5779a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. They did, and now they are stuck with it. Jim Daly Carolyn Reynard wrote: I personally believe the concern was about the Academy going back on their promise to Vaux. The academy received the collection with the stipulation it would stay at the Academy. Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." To: "Rock Currier" ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily > Well, obviously, all the people that howled about the sale of the collection > will be volunteering to unpack, identify, clean, label, store, display, and > curate it into infinity. > > Any funding required to do the above will of course come from the same > people. > > I'm all for material being conserved in museums, provided the museums have > the will, the staff, and the funding to properly curate it. If the museums > are lacking; if they're just mindlessly accumulating, then why shouldn't > they try to figure out what they're good at, what their purpose is, and get > the stuff that they're not going to properly curate on the market where the > specimens will find loving homes. > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rock Currier" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:03 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily > > > > The Academy is not going to sell the Vaux collection and has instead > > placed a staff paleontologist in charge of the collection. Is this > > something that we should be glad about? The gentleman is probably very > > well qualified for caring for fossils, and I am sure that somewhere in his > > early training he had a geology course where he learned how to distinguish > > calcite and gypsum from quartz & pyrite, but one wonders how many of the > > specimens in the Vaux collection he could identify without looking at > > their labels. So now what will become of the collection? A small token > > display of the minerals in a prominent place in the Academy till the heat > > dies down? And of the rest of the collection? Placed in a remote a > > location as they can manage? How many people saw the collection during the > > last 40 years? Probably less than 100. How many will see it during the > > next two generations? Certainly not very many. They just don't have the > > staff to hold peoples hands while they go through the drawers. Would it > > not be better to have sold the things to collectors where the specimens > > would be much more widely available and seen. At least the collectors > > would know what they are and how much they are worth. No one at the > > Academy does. > > > > Rock > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jul 3 07:12:30 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 07:12:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily Message-ID: I think museums didn't nearly as much even think or worry about such things, a hundred (?) or so years ago, such as when the Phila. Academy accepted that collection. I'm sure it seemed a "no-brainer" to accept a bequest like that, at the time--from a person closely connected with the Academy, and of a type of collection they were then much interested in and probably eager to acquire and display. Pete M. In a message dated 7/3/2007 8:04:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time, sauktown1@yahoo.com writes: There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. They did, and now they are stuck with it. Jim Daly ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jul 3 08:18:12 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jul 3 08:16:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily In-Reply-To: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> Jim Daly wrote: > There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. Such things were common in older days, when museums were building their holdings and also when they considered themselves repositories of knowledge rather than centers of entertainment and make-believe Jurassic park dinosaurs. The idea of something being "in perpetuity," of being enduring for generations, was a noble one. In response to what Tim J. said as well, it is the museum's job to use their trust fund to fulfill their obligations. The geology collection was a centerpiece of their collection, something seen by thousands of school children every year on class trips and by thousands of walk-in visitors. Along the way someone lost sight of the purpose and value of that collection. Yet they still have hall upon hall of stuffed animals in dioramas--in my view, could anything be more outdated and space-consuming? As I wrote to someone off-list, minerals and geology will become very important in the next few decades as emerging economies compete for scarce resources and mining in the U.S. becomes cool again. If Sierra Club members want to continue driving their SUVs and once people realize that producing ethanol consumes more fossil fuel than it saves, we need to explore for resources right here. That goes for metals as well as oil. Nowadays, most kids get their knowledge of geology from the Discovery Channel--we call them the "Discovery Channel generation"--and the bulk of them want to be seismologists or volcanologists when they start. When I talk about mining and minerals, they look at me like I'm from another planet and wonder what that has to do with geology! Maybe if they had access to a museum with well-planned displays they would understand. Don From efkern at earthlink.net Tue Jul 3 10:50:37 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:50:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science inPhily References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004001c7bd9a$aaa769a0$5ffff604@TheBlackAdder> Great post Don. Yes, there are lots of us who are sick and tired of the enormous space and financial resources commited to stuffed animals and dioramas. We even have this phenomena in our tiny club museum which also contains several truly great San Diego county tourmalines. Our club is www.fgms.org at the north end of San Diego county. Unfortunately, being entertained has trumped being enlightened. It's "for the children" y' know. Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: DonH To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science inPhily Jim Daly wrote: > There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. Such things were common in older days, when museums were building their holdings and also when they considered themselves repositories of knowledge rather than centers of entertainment and make-believe Jurassic park dinosaurs. The idea of something being "in perpetuity," of being enduring for generations, was a noble one. In response to what Tim J. said as well, it is the museum's job to use their trust fund to fulfill their obligations. The geology collection was a centerpiece of their collection, something seen by thousands of school children every year on class trips and by thousands of walk-in visitors. Along the way someone lost sight of the purpose and value of that collection. Yet they still have hall upon hall of stuffed animals in dioramas--in my view, could anything be more outdated and space-consuming? As I wrote to someone off-list, minerals and geology will become very important in the next few decades as emerging economies compete for scarce resources and mining in the U.S. becomes cool again. If Sierra Club members want to continue driving their SUVs and once people realize that producing ethanol consumes more fossil fuel than it saves, we need to explore for resources right here. That goes for metals as well as oil. Nowadays, most kids get their knowledge of geology from the Discovery Channel--we call them the "Discovery Channel generation"--and the bulk of them want to be seismologists or volcanologists when they start. When I talk about mining and minerals, they look at me like I'm from another planet and wonder what that has to do with geology! Maybe if they had access to a museum with well-planned displays they would understand. Don -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 12:11:37 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:11:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <49749.69212.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This month's update to the Sauktown Sales price list of microminerals will be posted today. New additions include Cetineite, Santabarbaraite and Paulingite-K, all from the type localities. I've also added more photos to the Dryer Collection list, and I've updated the list of conditions harmful to certain minerals with data from a new (to me) source. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com orders@sauktown.com --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From turnea55 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:31:20 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:31:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science inPhily In-Reply-To: <004001c7bd9a$aaa769a0$5ffff604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: I absolutely agree. I know I wrote on this subject awhile back (either this list or another). I have seen this happen to museums far too many times. The natural history museum in St. Louis got rid of all it's minerals (many are now decomposing in a cave being used as a storage unit) in order to become more "kid friendly". Now the museum is horrible and filled with "interactive" exhibits that don't work and don't really have any educational value. The museum is basically bankrupt. I have visited other similar museums just like this, including the American Museum of Nat. History where they were adding more "interactive" exhibits. Here are perfect examples of why this new type of thinking makes no sense and is total garbage: --The Smithsonian Nat. History Museum is by far the most visited museum in the country. The most visited part of this museum is the hall of gems and minerals. --The Harvard museum is so well known in most part because of it's tremendous mineral collection --The LA County Museum of Nat. History (of which I am a member) has a fantastic collection and is the highlight of the museum. The hall of minerals is always busy, but the animal diorama areas are typically fairly empty. The gem and mineral council at the museum is probably the most well known group of its kind in the country. Oh well, eventually the powers that be will figure it out when the museum buildings sell to the highest bidder and the plastic interactive displays get thrown into the landfill. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA >From: "Erich Kern" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds" , "DonH" > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science >inPhily >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:50:37 -0700 > > >Great post Don. > >Yes, there are lots of us who are sick and tired of the enormous space and >financial resources commited to stuffed animals and dioramas. We even have >this phenomena in our tiny club museum which also contains several truly >great San Diego county tourmalines. Our club is www.fgms.org at the north >end of San Diego county. > >Unfortunately, being entertained has trumped being enlightened. It's "for >the children" y' know. > >Cheers, >Erich Kern >Murrieta, Calif. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: DonH >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:18 AM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science >inPhily > > >Jim Daly wrote: > > > There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a >bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. > > >Such things were common in older days, when museums were building their >holdings and also when they considered themselves repositories of >knowledge rather than centers of entertainment and make-believe Jurassic >park dinosaurs. The idea of something being "in perpetuity," of being >enduring for generations, was a noble one. In response to what Tim J. >said as well, it is the museum's job to use their trust fund to fulfill >their obligations. The geology collection was a centerpiece of their >collection, something seen by thousands of school children every year on >class trips and by thousands of walk-in visitors. Along the way someone >lost sight of the purpose and value of that collection. Yet they still >have hall upon hall of stuffed animals in dioramas--in my view, could >anything be more outdated and space-consuming? > >As I wrote to someone off-list, minerals and geology will become very >important in the next few decades as emerging economies compete for >scarce resources and mining in the U.S. becomes cool again. If Sierra >Club members want to continue driving their SUVs and once people realize >that producing ethanol consumes more fossil fuel than it saves, we need >to explore for resources right here. That goes for metals as well as >oil. Nowadays, most kids get their knowledge of geology from the >Discovery Channel--we call them the "Discovery Channel generation"--and >the bulk of them want to be seismologists or volcanologists when they >start. When I talk about mining and minerals, they look at me like I'm >from another planet and wonder what that has to do with geology! Maybe >if they had access to a museum with well-planned displays they would >understand. > > >Don > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From turnea55 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:50:06 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:50:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV In-Reply-To: <4689AFBF.301A@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Of course the United States should invest in developing spent fuel reprocessing plants, as much of Europe does. This allows us to significantly reduce the amount of spent fuel waste while at the same time greatly reducing the amount of potential problems and space issues associated with storing shelved nuclear weapons and equipment (the plutonium from the weapons can be reprocessed). However, the political and social environment in the US will not allow this to happen for a very long time. In a country where we cannot build a new nuclear plant for 30 years, it takes over 10 years and $1 billion to open up a large scale mining operation (if it is allowed to open at all), and a necessary nuclear repository may never open (after being studied for decades), how can we convince people that we should reprocess nuclear waste? It is becomming increasing pathetic that small areas of land can not be set aside or permitted to be used to benefit all people (i.e. nuclear power plant, mine, etc.). However, if you want to rip a hillside in order to open a new ski lift in Aspen or build another nice green golf course in Palm Springs, you will have a permit in a few months and can start building now. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA >From: Kreigh Tomaszewski >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:12:44 -0400 > >Sid, > >Even in you reprocess spent radioactives using new technology that >'prevents' making bombs (see Scientific American a few months ago) there >is still some 'hot' waste that needs to go into storage (long term for >people, short term geologically); Yucca, or equivalent, will be with us >for a long time unless there is a breakthru in understanding nuclear >technology and physics. > >Kreigh > > >RskRock2000@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > I agree with Nate, nice to have some clarification from people who have > > first hand knowledge. > > > > I am not very knowledgeable in that area so I ask you for your thoughts >on > > the following: > > > > There was a recent TV program on France's nuclear energy industry. >Nuclear > > energy not only provides for most of their domestic electricity usage, >but > > they also sell electricity to several other European countries. Why >not follow > > France's example of reprocessing the spent fuel and storage of the >greatly > > reduced volume on site in their one reprocessing plant. > > > > Recognizing the security risk of weapons grade material stored, to date >the > > French appear to have that sufficiently controlled in the design and > > protections of their plant. > > > > So finally my question is why do we need to store at Yucca at all? > > > > Sid Pomper Boston, Ma. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From brenick at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 15:27:37 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Tue Jul 3 15:27:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] stabilizing thompsonite/chlorastrolite Message-ID: <97175ae90707031527y1621dce9v92807a387fbd00a9@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone tell me if it is possible, or even feasible to stabilize thompsonite and/or chlorastrolite? My husband and I have a lovely thompsonite piece that we collected in Minnesota and chip, chip, chipped out of the rock and then polished, but it has fractures that worry me. We also have a few "greenstones" that I wonder if could be helped by some method of stabilization. Brenda --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Tue Jul 3 16:47:56 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Jul 3 16:44:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] stabilizing thompsonite/chlorastrolite In-Reply-To: <97175ae90707031527y1621dce9v92807a387fbd00a9@mail.gmail.co m> References: <97175ae90707031527y1621dce9v92807a387fbd00a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200707032344.l63NicO3015032@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I assume you are talking about massive thomsonite-Ca (no "p"), which like all zeolites contains water. Soak it to rehydrate it and keep it in a relatively humid environment. The specimens from MN are actually composed of one or more zeolite minerals and may or may not actually contain thomsonite and/or lintonite. At 03:27 PM 7/3/2007, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me if it is possible, or even feasible to stabilize >thompsonite and/or chlorastrolite? > >My husband and I have a lovely thompsonite piece that we collected in >Minnesota and chip, chip, chipped out of the rock and then polished, but it >has fractures that worry me. > >We also have a few "greenstones" that I wonder if could be helped by some >method of stabilization. > >Brenda > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jul 3 17:21:16 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jul 3 17:19:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] admin issue: anyone else getting bounces for Tim Fisher? In-Reply-To: <200707032344.l63NicO3015032@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <97175ae90707031527y1621dce9v92807a387fbd00a9@mail.gmail.com> <200707032344.l63NicO3015032@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <468AE7FC.9080306@verizon.net> Hi folks, is anyone else getting bounces for Tim Fisher's address when posting? Don From JScully216 at aol.com Tue Jul 3 18:01:47 2007 From: JScully216 at aol.com (JScully216@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:01:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil Message-ID: If any of you would pick two cities in Minas Gerais to spend 3 to 5 days in exploring nearby mining towns and just waiting for people to show up at the hotel with specimens, which two would they be? Why would you select them? Thanks. John Scully ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jul 3 18:04:02 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:04:13 2007 Subject: Admin testing - please just hit delete {was: Re: [Rockhounds] admin issue: anyone else getting bounces for Tim Fisher?} References: <97175ae90707031527y1621dce9v92807a387fbd00a9@mail.gmail.com> <200707032344.l63NicO3015032@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <468AE7FC.9080306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <468AF202.2AFC@Tomaszewski.net> DonH wrote: > > Hi folks, > > is anyone else getting bounces for Tim Fisher's address when posting? > > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html I have not been, but this is a test. From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Jul 3 19:08:47 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:08:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hilo earthquake Message-ID: <468359290010A327@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Hi List, [I wrote the following at 1:30pm PST but computer service went down] About an hour ago I was jolted at my chair by a brief but a bit alarming earthquake. It turns out it was up the coast about 10 miles north of Hilo at mag. 3.7. see: http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/shake/STORE/X25053_07/ciim_display.html No damage except to my nerves, which are a bit tight after the big one last October. Oddly there were 26 reports as of a few minutes ago from people who felt it in Hilo, but 33 reports from Waimea (listed as Kamuela, the name of the Post Office), which is 60 miles away. That may be because the smaller towns closer to the quake are more rural and people may be less likely to report a quake via computer. Aloha, Kitty From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jul 3 19:41:52 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:41:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00a201c7bde4$e0e3b100$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> We had numerous discussions about museums over the years. I am going to try to minimize rehashing old lines. However a few comments are in order. The Academy was created as a place to promote the advancement of science - not a museum! Collections of natural history objects were an extension of their library. Great mineral museum exhibits are an endangered species. I have not visited a large number over the years - American Museum and Smithsonian are the only large museums where I remember good exhibits. (The Field Museum's was sub-par.) Colburn, Weinman, Fallbrook, American Fluorite, and Clement Mineral Museums are small but have high-quality exhibits. The latter two are struggling to stay open. Our local museum (now science center) has a few minerals on exhibit. Their largest display is atypical gemstones - someone donated the collection just before the new exhibit gallery opened. Not atypical for this group, but for the general public. A few people have been trying to create a natural history museum for the state of Kentucky for more than 20 years. Guess what? No interest in funding it! (We get a privately funded creation museum instead!) I'm going to try to create a temporary exhibit at our park's Interpretive Center on Gerard Troost with mineral specimens from the collection to trace his life. With their collections staff laid off, it might be later rather than sooner. Museums live and die by grants - museum admissions don't cover costs. A recent study found that a typical American museum would have to charge $32 per visitor to cover operating expenses. Would you pay that much to visit a typical museum? Like it or not, museums cannot be managed as they did 100 years ago. There are not enough mineral enthusiasts to draw in the crowds. Can someone create a blockbuster exhibit thematically relating to minerals that doesn't involve cut stones or ancient gold treasure? I doubt it. If I borrowed that huge stibnite specimen recently given to the American Museum or put a cast of a T. rex at our Interpretive Center, guess which specimen would bring in more people? Good luck leaving a collection at museum. But that is a topic for another day! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily > Jim Daly wrote: > >> There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a >> bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. > > > Such things were common in older days, when museums were building their > holdings and also when they considered themselves repositories of > knowledge rather than centers of entertainment and make-believe Jurassic > park dinosaurs. The idea of something being "in perpetuity," of being > enduring for generations, was a noble one. In response to what Tim J. > said as well, it is the museum's job to use their trust fund to fulfill > their obligations. The geology collection was a centerpiece of their > collection, something seen by thousands of school children every year on > class trips and by thousands of walk-in visitors. Along the way someone > lost sight of the purpose and value of that collection. Yet they still > have hall upon hall of stuffed animals in dioramas--in my view, could > anything be more outdated and space-consuming? > > As I wrote to someone off-list, minerals and geology will become very > important in the next few decades as emerging economies compete for scarce > resources and mining in the U.S. becomes cool again. If Sierra Club > members want to continue driving their SUVs and once people realize that > producing ethanol consumes more fossil fuel than it saves, we need to > explore for resources right here. That goes for metals as well as oil. > Nowadays, most kids get their knowledge of geology from the Discovery > Channel--we call them the "Discovery Channel generation"--and the bulk of > them want to be seismologists or volcanologists when they start. When I > talk about mining and minerals, they look at me like I'm from another > planet and wonder what that has to do with geology! Maybe if they had > access to a museum with well-planned displays they would understand. > > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jul 3 20:22:35 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:22:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science in Phily References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> Message-ID: <468B126D.61B0@Tomaszewski.net> DonH wrote: > > Jim Daly wrote: > > > There's the crux of the matter. The Academy should never have accepted a bequest with such a restrictive stipulation. > > Such things were common in older days, when museums were building their > holdings and also when they considered themselves repositories of > knowledge rather than centers of entertainment and make-believe Jurassic > park dinosaurs. The idea of something being "in perpetuity," of being > enduring for generations, was a noble one. Radio and TV, pushing entertainment to 'importance', has affected rockhounding, as well as museums. Kreigh From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Jul 3 20:55:34 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:56:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Sciencein Phily References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> <00a201c7bde4$e0e3b100$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <006d01c7bdef$338b7780$0200a8c0@Notebook> Alan wrote: >The Field Museum's was sub-par. Alan - I assume you mean the Field Museum in Chicago and I beg to differ. A childhood visit to their gem room was pivotal to my love of geology. As was the wacky coal mine tour. John From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Jul 4 01:41:44 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Wed Jul 4 01:42:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite References: <200707040100.l6410IQB021735@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7be17$27d05b40$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Brenda, Why do you think you need to stabilize your thomsonites? They were exposed to the weather for countless winters and summers without much deterioration. Why should they be unstable now that you have moved them to a different place with less harsh conditions? Do you want to cut and polish them and fear that the cracks might cause them to break in the process? Rock From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jul 4 05:17:03 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 4 05:17:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science inPhily Message-ID: A comment on one item that Andrew mentioned, In a message dated 7/3/2007 1:33:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, turnea55@hotmail.com writes: --The Harvard museum is so well known in most part because of it's tremendous mineral collection >From a colleague who visited the Harvard museum this spring, I'm told that they've removed all the specimens in their "New England Room" to make room for office space plus a climate change exhibit. --The LA County Museum of Nat. History (of which I am a member) has a fantastic collection and is the highlight of the museum. The hall of minerals is always busy, but the animal diorama areas are typically fairly empty. The gem and mineral council at the museum is probably the most well known group of its kind in the country. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA I visited the LA Museum last year, and I do agree that its mineral and gem displays are first class. And another excellent mineral museum these days is the Colorado School of Mines geology museum, in Golden. Pete Modreski ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 06:19:14 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Wed Jul 4 06:19:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thomsonite In-Reply-To: <001b01c7be17$27d05b40$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> References: <200707040100.l6410IQB021735@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001b01c7be17$27d05b40$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <97175ae90707040619r55f518dbx8766910e67783bd0@mail.gmail.com> This particular piece was totally encased in the basalt and we have removed it from it's "home" and I have polished it pretty with our Genie. There is one beatiful side, which I would call it's face, the back side has several fractures which I fear will someday cause it to break. (possibly from drying out?) On 7/4/07, Rock Currier wrote: > > Brenda, > > Why do you think you need to stabilize your thomsonites? They were exposed > to the weather for countless winters and summers without much > deterioration. > Why should they be unstable now that you have moved them to a different > place with less harsh conditions? Do you want to cut and polish them and > fear that the cracks might cause them to break in the process? > > Rock > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 4 07:06:34 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed Jul 4 07:06:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Sciencein Phily In-Reply-To: <006d01c7bdef$338b7780$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <135492.26316.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, In your childhood the Field Museum had a great mineral exhibit. As of two years ago, it did not. And, there's no coal mine tour. Jim Daly John Siebel wrote: Alan wrote: >The Field Museum's was sub-par. Alan - I assume you mean the Field Museum in Chicago and I beg to differ. A childhood visit to their gem room was pivotal to my love of geology. As was the wacky coal mine tour. John -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jul 4 07:34:04 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jul 4 07:32:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Sciencein Phily In-Reply-To: <135492.26316.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <135492.26316.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <468BAFDC.1040903@verizon.net> Jim Daly wrote: > John, > In your childhood the Field Museum had a great mineral exhibit. As of two years ago, it did not. And, there's no coal mine tour. > Jim Daly I think there is a museum of science, or technology, down the road a little bit in Chicago. Everyone raves about it. I should have gone there instead of the Field Museum. It is reported to have a "mine" in the building. Don From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Wed Jul 4 10:34:32 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Wed Jul 4 10:34:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Beam me UP! In-Reply-To: <468BAFDC.1040903@verizon.net> References: <135492.26316.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468BAFDC.1040903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <039501c7be61$953879c0$6b01a8c0@okapi> If you missed your Dilithium the first time around... On eBay: Item Number: 140134262593 GcB From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 10:57:07 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Jul 4 10:57:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield, NV and Nuclear Waste routes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/1/07, Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: > > > Yes, Gemfield, NV is about nine miles from the town of Goldfield, NV One cold January day about 10 years ago I stopped there to pick up some rock. The ground was frozen and when I started up a steep incline in my electric wheelchair it tipped back into a 'wheelie' position. Since the ground was frozen solid I decided to keep going. I was only about 10 feet from the top and the wheelie-bars prevented me from going over backward. Then I went out of the shade and into a sunny spot. The frozen ground turned into mud. My wheelie-bars sunk into the mud and I went over backward. My dog is trained to go back to the motor home when I say "Load up." That time she just walked around me, smelling the coyote dung beside the road. The hair on her shoulders was standing up but she wouldn't leave, no matter what command I used. After about 15 minutes my wife came looking for us. The back of my head was about 6 inches lower than the drive wheels on the chair. There was no way she could get me upright. Back then we had an old analogue cell phone with 3 watts of power. I had also added a Cell phone antenna to my RV. She went back to the RV, hooked up the phone, and dialed 911. A distant voice answered in Henderson, NV. The signal was very weak but eventually they understood each other. The Ezmeralda County Sheriffs were needed at the Gemfields. About 15 minutes later two deputies arrived. They got me back on my wheels and issued a strong warning about the perils of driving around the desert in an electric wheelchair.While they were watching I got back in my RV and drove away. However, a couple weeks later I went back and tried that hill again. I made it but there wasn't anything worth collecting there. All the good chalcedony was at another place on the hill. And that green stuff the call "Gemfield Jade" was on the other fork in the road. Has anybody ever identified the 'jade?' I don't know what it is but I know it's not jade. Grant From roughrock at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 11:22:32 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Wed Jul 4 11:22:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] museums selling specimines Message-ID: Several years ago I stopped at the California Stte Gem and Mineral Museum in Mariposa. They had dozens of little perkey boxes with labeled specimines for sale for $2 each. As I went through them, picking out what I wanted, the Ranger told me they had been left to the museum from the estate of a mineral collector. Nobody knew what to do with them so they decided to sell them for $2 per box. I was only the second perrson to look through them. I remember she said the first person filled up "3 flats" but I can't remember how many were in a flat. I'm a rockhound, not a mineral collector, but I bought about $20 worth. They are nice to have because of the lables wih locations identified. However, I'm not sure if the person who left them to the museum intended for them to be sold. I'm pretty sure some of them were worth a lot more than $2. Somebody got a deal. Grant From eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net Wed Jul 4 13:55:42 2007 From: eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net (eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jul 4 13:55:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Brazil Tours Message-ID: <070420072055.15282.468C094E0007771900003BB22207003201099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Here is some reading on Brazil Mine Tours http://www.tourguidebrazil.com/gemstone.html https://www.gia.edu/loupeonline/29960/22160/2257/back_issue_detail.cfm KOR: Timm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jul 4 14:46:46 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jul 4 14:47:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Sciencein Phily References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> <00a201c7bde4$e0e3b100$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <006d01c7bdef$338b7780$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <468C1544.D60@Tomaszewski.net> The coal mine tour is across town at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. John Siebel wrote: > > Alan wrote: > >The Field Museum's was sub-par. > > Alan - I assume you mean the Field Museum in Chicago and I beg to differ. A > childhood visit to their gem room was pivotal to my love of geology. As was > the wacky coal mine tour. > > John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tam2819 at cox.net Wed Jul 4 19:29:08 2007 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Wed Jul 4 19:29:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Temblor In-Reply-To: <200707050100.l6510sxd015162@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200707050100.l6510sxd015162@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <231EAEC5-DEC7-48D6-A0FE-DAA1C5A958BD@cox.net> Kitty, I hope your nerves have calmed down. Hugs Terrie From luka2 at telkomsa.net Wed Jul 4 23:52:48 2007 From: luka2 at telkomsa.net (Luka Berkovic) Date: Wed Jul 4 23:52:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sugilite Message-ID: <000001c7bed1$1b366360$a147ef9b@luka> Hi anyone interested in 900kg of above average sugilite from south Africa? Please email me as soon as possible. Luka2@telkomsa.net Thanks Luka Berkovic --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Steve.Condon at nysam.org Thu Jul 5 05:45:35 2007 From: Steve.Condon at nysam.org (Steve.Condon ) Date: Thu Jul 5 05:49:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Philadelphia Academy/NYS Message-ID: <200707050845.AA333185184@nysam.org> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>start. When I talk about mining and minerals, they look at me like I'm from another planet and wonder what that has to do with geology! Maybe if they had access to a museum with well-planned displays they would understand. ------ The New York State Museum (Institute)in Albany purchased the NY portion of the Philadelphia Academy collection that was up for sale earlier this year, 400 or so specimens. I expect the better quality material will be on permanent display before too long. BTW, these specimens wern't considered part of the Vaux bequest. The current museum mineral display can be seen at: http://www.nysam.org/display.cfm Steve Condon From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Thu Jul 5 06:57:31 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Thu Jul 5 06:57:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science inPhily In-Reply-To: <002301c7bce1$d427f380$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <000201c7bf0c$77a89c40$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Hi Tim, I don't disagree with ANYTHING you say below, but wish to add another point to it. The dispersal of collections, whether to collectors or other institutions or a mix of these, can sometimes damage the value of a collection irreparably. For scientific collections especially, the value of a particular specimen may derive in large part from its context -- that is, when that particular specimen is compared to the other 20 or 30 related specimens in a drawer. If you wish to understand Franklin rhodonites I'll pull out five flats of them and leave you there for an hour, and after that you'll have a pretty good grasp of that species and know which specimens to select for further research. If instead you viewed a pretty collector piece here, a reference specimen there, and a third specimen some other place and time, you wouldn't be able to develop that knowledge. Context means so very much, and it is lost when a collection is scattered all over the globe. The nature of a collection has a lot to do with this. A collection put together on the basis of visual appeal -- that is, well-crystallized minerals from worldwide sources -- might as well be dispersed because there is no central theme to begin with, other than the "eye candy" factor. A carefully selected scientific reference collection, however, is damaged a great deal by dispersal. Moreover, such collections are full of many specimens that have more scientific than commercial value, so much of the content might not only be dispersed but discarded. Most museum collections fall somewhere between these two extremes. That said, one should never sell or donate a collection to an institution with the expectation that it will remain intact. In many cases there are very good reasons it should NOT remain intact, and I'm sure you and other list members know what they are. All museums deal with such problems; it's just that some deal with them more responsibly than others. Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jokela Jr. Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:48 PM To: Rock Currier; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Science inPhily Well, obviously, all the people that howled about the sale of the collection will be volunteering to unpack, identify, clean, label, store, display, and curate it into infinity. Any funding required to do the above will of course come from the same people. I'm all for material being conserved in museums, provided the museums have the will, the staff, and the funding to properly curate it. If the museums are lacking; if they're just mindlessly accumulating, then why shouldn't they try to figure out what they're good at, what their purpose is, and get the stuff that they're not going to properly curate on the market where the specimens will find loving homes. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com From rockcurrier at cs.com Thu Jul 5 08:30:32 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Thu Jul 5 08:30:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Towns in Minas Gerais References: <200707050101.l6510uiO015172@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00e401c7bf19$6d327760$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> If any of you would pick two cities in Minas Gerais to spend 3 to 5 days in exploring nearby mining towns and just waiting for people to show up at the hotel with specimens, which two would they be? Why would you select them? Gouvernador Valadares & Teofilo Otoni If you expect guys to show up at your hotel and pass the word that is what you are expecting, you will be pestered to death by a large number of low level runners and will be shown mostly low grade material at high prices. The guys that have the good stuff will not usually be bothered with bringing it to your hotel. Each of these towns have a large number of dealers that you can go around and visit. They are also situated not far from many of the mines. Rock From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Jul 5 09:21:03 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:19:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Philadelphia Academy/NYS In-Reply-To: <200707050845.AA333185184@nysam.org> References: <200707050845.AA333185184@nysam.org> Message-ID: <468D1A6F.2010206@verizon.net> Steve.Condon wrote: > The New York State Museum (Institute)in Albany purchased the NY portion of the Philadelphia Academy collection that was up for sale ... Thanks for letting everyone know. I was talking with someone about that off-list but forgot to mention the good things that were salvaged out of it. The NY stuff went to NY, the Franklin stuff went to Franklin; they had to pay dearly for it, when I think the museum should have made a museum-to-museum donation, but that's how it goes. But at least some of the material went to places where it will be well cared for and put on display and the thematic integrity of those sub-collections will be kept intact. Now if only the Leidy Microscopical Society could have obtained the Fiss micromount collection... best, Don From kirkstephan at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:54:12 2007 From: kirkstephan at hotmail.com (kirk stephan) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:54:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] shamanic amber Message-ID: Amber has been used medicinally for thousands of years, usually in the form of an elixir, as in Chinese medicine The stone is one of the few stones that can be charged with electricity, and the Greeks referred to it by the name of "elektron" because of this property. The stone has also been used to intensify meditation by wearing it as beads. Amber has also been used in amulets, as charms repelling evil, and carried as a stone that provided protection against poisons. The ANCIENT MAYAN MINE OF CHIAPAS (Mexico) is probably the only mine in the world that consistently produces NATURAL/UNTREATED Red and Green AMBER. I've been working with local Mayan Shamans for more than 25 years and discovered that the 'SASTUN', or medicine power object, of the Shamans, preferred above all others, are pieces, polished or carved, of Mexican amber. This material, unlike most other amber in the world, actually glows; the color refraction being very much higher than the Baltic, for example. Please take a moment to view photos of this incredible mystical gem at my site: http://geocities.com/kirkstephany/tools.htm 'Invite to my site,of course< http://geocities.com/kirkstephany _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From Bobslgn at aol.com Thu Jul 5 13:15:35 2007 From: Bobslgn at aol.com (Bobslgn@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 5 13:15:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Green and Red Message-ID: Gemfield Green and Red >About 15 minutes later two deputies arrived. They got me back on my back in my RV and drove away. Grant, It sounds like you could use a small 4X4 quad or something similar. >All the good chalcedony was at another place on the hill. And that >green stuff the call "Gemfield Jade" was on the other fork in the >road. Has anybody ever identified the 'jade?' I don't know what it is >but I know it's not jade. I just had a brief look at a piece of the Green Material today. A friend of mine brought it to work along with a piece of rust red material from the same hill. The green piece had that waxy luster, light weight and the feel of hydrated silica; I would call it an opalite. I am not a geologist so someone on the list probably has some better information. I am curious about the red material, found on the same hill. It seems that miners have followed a vein of the stuff down into the hill about four feet. The piece I saw was unremarkable very similar to the green but slightly heavier. What use or properties of the red would prompt someone to dig this material? Bob ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jul 5 13:28:14 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jul 5 13:28:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Ads (was) shamanic amber In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468C36160001F096@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Reminder that advertisements on this List should have "AD" in the Subject line so that members may delete if they do not wish to read an ad. Anyone in doubt should check the List Usage Policy at the address that appears at the bottom of every Rockhounds message. Thanks! Kitty (Admin Team) At 09:54 AM 7/5/2007, kirk stephan wrote: > Please take a moment >to view photos of this incredible mystical gem at my site: > >http://geocities.com/kirkstephany/tools.htm From dpowell13 at rochester.rr.com Thu Jul 5 18:18:45 2007 From: dpowell13 at rochester.rr.com (Powell) Date: Thu Jul 5 18:17:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Benjamin Shaub Cover Question Message-ID: <000801c7bf6b$99c32f20$6501a8c0@Powell> Dear List, Happy 4th o' July (a bit late). Hope you all had a safe and wonderful celebration. Here's a quick question for the crack team of mineral collectors on our list here: In 1975, Benjamin Shaub published a book called Treasures from the Earth: The World of Rocks & Minerals. On the dust jacket cover is a terrific picture of a tourmaline and smoky quartz specimen. Is this specimen from San Diego, CA or from Maine? Or somewhere else? As always, many thanks in advance, for your knowledge and help. Best wishes as always. Darryl Powell Manchester, NY --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Jul 5 19:05:27 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Jul 5 19:05:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] field museum References: <980067.55811.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468A68B4.1050300@verizon.net> <00a201c7bde4$e0e3b100$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <006d01c7bdef$338b7780$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <00c101c7bf72$1f5cf070$6701a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I saw it 10 years ago. There were some beautiful specimens, but the displays were uninspiring. I had been in the museum business for 17 years when I visited that exhibit. That opinion wasn't based just on professional experience, but from looking at other museum exhibits including those at the Field Museum itself. Opinions are like bellybuttons, everybody has one. Last time I checked, there is only one "Field Museum" in the country. There might be a museum that focuses on fields - corn, wheat, pasture, etc. - but I have not heard of any. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Vaux collection at the Academy of Sciencein Phily > Alan wrote: >>The Field Museum's was sub-par. > > Alan - I assume you mean the Field Museum in Chicago and I beg to differ. > A childhood visit to their gem room was pivotal to my love of geology. As > was the wacky coal mine tour. > > John > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kcbaran at arczip.com Fri Jul 6 00:58:08 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Fri Jul 6 01:05:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glass Butte, Oregon Message-ID: <468DF610.10009@arczip.com> Friends: Just asking if anyone has been to Glass Butte, Oregon lately? I have the"Gem Trails of Oregon" book (page 120) and was wondering which site listed would be the best one to go to to get some interesting and different (not just plain black) obsidian? Any advise is truly appreciated. Thanks. Chuck... From tim at orerockon.com Fri Jul 6 07:12:25 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jul 6 07:09:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glass Butte, Oregon In-Reply-To: <468DF610.10009@arczip.com> References: <468DF610.10009@arczip.com> Message-ID: <200707061409.l66E94i7011649@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Warning, self-promotion follows! Feel free to delete! Throw it out. You might get very lucky and find a few pieces worth taking home. My DVD has all the pits at Glass Buttes; there is virtually no overlap between any place you would want to dig and that "book". The one site in there that is worthwhile is claimed and you need permission to dig. At 12:58 AM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >Friends: > >Just asking if anyone has been to Glass Butte, Oregon lately? I >have the"Gem Trails of Oregon" book (page 120) and was wondering >which site listed would be the best one to go to to get some >interesting and different (not just plain black) obsidian? >Any advise is truly appreciated. Thanks. Chuck... Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From dr00bert at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:39:57 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Fri Jul 6 07:40:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ATTN: Tim Fisher Message-ID: <7aac8040707060739p70249d9codd99f9f0cf9e2f01@mail.gmail.com> Tim, It seems that your email keeps bouncing, I tried to email you directly at tim@orerockon.com, but it bounced back. There is a woman who is trying to contact you, she posted on a message board that I am active on... < http://dirtyrockhounds.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1183677878>... just wanted to pass it on to you... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Fri Jul 6 16:22:05 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:21:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Texas References: <967590.15382.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <071a01c7c024$77bf9b70$2784633f@marilyn> June as I have stated a few times before Ihere is great agate digging south of Alpine north of Big Bend contact Mrs. Smith at the Antelope lodge Alpine $35 a day guided to get on the Walker Ranch Just south of the Woodson Ranch World class red and black plume agate. All Private Property. Best of luck No Poundage fee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Texas > We are thinking of becoming Winter Texans. The area of Texas that we are > looking at now is the Rio Grand Valley. While we are there, we would like > to investigate and tour the area around there and maybe as far as Big > Bend. > We are looking for feedback positive and negative about RV camping sites > and the most important is collecting sites in this area. I have done some > looking and have found that McAllen might have a club. It shows up on > Bob's but not on the Federation site. The Chamber of Commerce was of no > help. Are there any clubs in that area? > Thank you for any help you can give us. > June > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Fri Jul 6 16:30:02 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:29:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Virgin Valley, NV collecting References: <200707010101.l6110uHQ027721@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <200707010310.l613AtNa006480@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <072201c7c025$93ff3f10$2784633f@marilyn> I dug at Rainbow ridge purchased a 3yd scoop, and several of us did very well that weekend lots of fabulous crystal. Then at the Opal Queen which shares the same hill as the Bonanza. I did some geologic mapping for The owner and suggested locations for him to try on the 6 claime he owns. Two abut the Bonanza. The third day I dug in the tailings and found 6 black opal cores that are very nice I have high hopes ot cutting some of the cores as they were dry and no cracks. Good luck at Bonanza I looked over the berm at the mine while doung the survey. I f you wish you can email me off drizzle at smtravis@plateautel.net Keep on Rockin Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Virgin Valley, NV collecting > I'm sitting here at the millsite for the Bonanza Opal mine enjoying the > evening after > digging all day. (There is a satellite internet connection that we use.) > We shareholders > are not doing extremely well this week because we have run out of "wet > bank" clay to dig > right now. However, I was told by a member that several of the fee > diggers found some very > nice opal specimens in the tailings dig today. > > I haven't heard any first hand reports of digging at either the Rainbow > Ridge or the > Royal Peacock opal mines this season. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to > hear > more specifics about Steve and Maralyn Travis' trip through Nevada. I like > to know if the opal > was found by purchasing a $400 bucket of opal dirt or if it was found by > searching the tailings. > > Glen > > ps: If I might make a gentle request that posters highlight and then > delete the remainder of the > previous message before posting back to the list. Following the threads is > quite confusing here. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net Fri Jul 6 17:06:21 2007 From: eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net (eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jul 6 17:06:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation Message-ID: <070720070006.21778.468ED8FD000C38A6000055122200735446099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Honest Evaluation I am thinking about purchasing Tim Fishers 4.0 or 4.1 CD. I have read his website and it looks great. I have however talked with purchasers of the 3.1 and 4.0, mostly at rock shows, who say it is” too hard for the average computer user”, i.e. elderly person or with minimal skills and “you can’t print anything from it:” or “If you’ve go a degree in computer software you might be able to figure to #@*# thing out”……… to………”You’ve got to get it,” “I’ve never missed with it yet” and “So easy a caveman can use it.” (Sorry Geico”). I would like to read the opinions of other purchasers of their likes and dislikes of the 3.1, 4.0 and 4.1 versions. Can the average Joe use it with Window XP Home Edition?. Thank You Timm P.S. I sincerely hope Mr. Fisher is not offended by asking others to evaluate his product. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Fri Jul 6 17:36:27 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Jul 6 17:36:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glass Butte, Oregon In-Reply-To: <200707061409.l66E94i7011649@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <468DF610.10009@arczip.com> <200707061409.l66E94i7011649@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:12:25 -0700, Tim Fisher wrote: >Warning, self-promotion follows! Feel free to delete! > >Throw it out. You might get very lucky and find a few pieces worth >taking home. My DVD has all the pits at Glass Buttes; there is >virtually no overlap between any place you would want to dig and that >"book". The one site in there that is worthwhile is claimed and you >need permission to dig. You could apply the same remarks to most any of the "Gem Trails of ..." books. > >At 12:58 AM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >>Friends: >> >>Just asking if anyone has been to Glass Butte, Oregon lately? I >>have the"Gem Trails of Oregon" book (page 120) and was wondering >>which site listed would be the best one to go to to get some >>interesting and different (not just plain black) obsidian? >>Any advise is truly appreciated. Thanks. Chuck... > >Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com >Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From tim at orerockon.com Sat Jul 7 17:18:41 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:15:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glass Butte, Oregon In-Reply-To: References: <468DF610.10009@arczip.com> <200707061409.l66E94i7011649@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <200707080015.l680FJQG029910@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Not so for the upcoming new volume. I will just say that the author has done a most excellent job. Stay tuned and I'm sure someone will squawk when it is published ;) At 05:36 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:12:25 -0700, Tim Fisher >wrote: > > >Warning, self-promotion follows! Feel free to delete! > > > >Throw it out. You might get very lucky and find a few pieces worth > >taking home. My DVD has all the pits at Glass Buttes; there is > >virtually no overlap between any place you would want to dig and that > >"book". The one site in there that is worthwhile is claimed and you > >need permission to dig. > >You could apply the same remarks to most any of the "Gem Trails of >..." books. > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Sat Jul 7 19:55:50 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066) Date: Sat Jul 7 19:55:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mitchell maps to hell Message-ID: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> Okay, here's my shot at Mitchell and his sorry attempt at guide books. As a neophyte my sweetheart and I dutifully purchased Mitchell's book "Gem Trails of Utah." Okay so we found a "few" of the sites he listed. All too often we wound up asking around to find where the "actual" site was. It became obvious, almost immediately obvious that the man (1) Didn't have any idea where he was when he was collecting (if he was collecting and not just trying to write another book to put $ in his pocket. (2) Hadn't been back to the same site twice and once he wrote edition one never went back. (Case in point: In the latest edition of GTU Mitchell is still listing the opalized wood by Kimball Junction. "After you turn off of I-80 you turn off the first road on the way to Heber City search and dig in the area between the water plant and the road." Sound good, right? HOWEVER, if you follow his instructions the people at the Mercedes dealership and the people living in the veddy expensive homes will take great umbruge at you attempting to dig in front yards on the parking lot of the Mercedes plant that has been there for at least seven years!) He is still listing four sites found in the Escalante National Monument. Huh, Jimmy boy, if ya don't know, collecting Moqui Marbles will get you a hefty $5,000 fine, confiscation of vehicle and maybe some time in the slammer where you will have all sort of time to think about your lousy book. You cannot collect at Old Paria (same NM), nor anywhere in or around the Petrified Forest State Park in Escalante. I know, in all fairness, we all know better than to collect on posted sites, claims, private land, National Park, National Monuments, etc. Well we do know don't we. I can go on and on about his Nevada and Oregon books but what is the use. I still find people who literally swear by him, me, I just swear at him and use another page to start a fire. Ya'll have a perfectly lovely day. Kelly From albalmer at att.net Sat Jul 7 21:10:36 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sat Jul 7 21:10:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glass Butte, Oregon In-Reply-To: <200707080015.l680FJQG029910@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <468DF610.10009@arczip.com> <200707061409.l66E94i7011649@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <200707080015.l680FJQG029910@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:18:41 -0700, Tim Fisher wrote: >Not so for the upcoming new volume. I will just say that the author >has done a most excellent job. Stay tuned and I'm sure someone will >squawk when it is published ;) That will be a pleasant surprise :-) I have several of the Gem Trails books, and none of them are worth the space on the shelf. Truthfully, I thought the series was long dead - I never expected any updates. What state or states are being updated? Never mind, I'll wait and see. The author has some competition. You, of course, for Oregon, and he'd find it hard to beat Neil Bearce for Arizona. > >At 05:36 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: >>On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:12:25 -0700, Tim Fisher >>wrote: >> >> >Warning, self-promotion follows! Feel free to delete! >> > >> >Throw it out. You might get very lucky and find a few pieces worth >> >taking home. My DVD has all the pits at Glass Buttes; there is >> >virtually no overlap between any place you would want to dig and that >> >"book". The one site in there that is worthwhile is claimed and you >> >need permission to dig. >> >>You could apply the same remarks to most any of the "Gem Trails of >>..." books. >> > > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On! >Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From getclyde at verizon.net Sun Jul 8 07:29:29 2007 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde) Date: Sun Jul 8 07:29:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method Message-ID: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> Hi Everyone, My wife and I went to collect wavellite at Mt. Pleasant Mills quarry. We found some pretty nice specimens and would like to get advice on cleaning them the safest and best way. At minimum some have limonite coatings, others have a black coating that I don't know what it is. I have Iron Out, Oxalic acid, and Muratic Acid available. Is there any tried and true method or formula? Thanks in advance, Clyde --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Jul 8 09:00:04 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Jul 8 09:00:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method References: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <000801c7c179$0d1ff430$a0faf604@TheBlackAdder> Muriatic acid (HCL) will dissolve wavelite quickly. Oxalic acid more slowly. Any acid, even vinnegar will ruin the surface luster. Iron Out is very mildly acidic, so I'd try a piece with iron stains you can afford to lose if it causes dullness of the surface luster. An ultrasonic cleaner with a few drops of liquid detergent is the safest bet for your wavellite, but it won't remove stains, only particles adhering to the surface. Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, Calif. ----- Original Message ----- From: Clyde To: Rockhounds Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method Hi Everyone, My wife and I went to collect wavellite at Mt. Pleasant Mills quarry. We found some pretty nice specimens and would like to get advice on cleaning them the safest and best way. At minimum some have limonite coatings, others have a black coating that I don't know what it is. I have Iron Out, Oxalic acid, and Muratic Acid available. Is there any tried and true method or formula? Thanks in advance, Clyde --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Sun Jul 8 11:52:04 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Sun Jul 8 11:52:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? Message-ID: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> Just found the sales tactics here a little less than tasteful......they are definitely aiming for the male rockhound market! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteresa_rocksQQhtZ-1 Jeanne From jaybates at rcn.com Sun Jul 8 12:15:58 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:11:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? References: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <000a01c7c194$6b3f9c80$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Thanks for sharing. Definitely not micromounts. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanne Rhodes-Moen To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling > > Jeanne > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jul 8 12:13:10 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:11:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> References: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <46913746.1090103@verizon.net> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > Just found the sales tactics here a little less than tasteful......they > are definitely aiming for the male rockhound market! > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteresa_rocksQQhtZ-1 Trust me, as a male, I find nothing in the ads--especially the prices and the bidding model--very appealing. Don From jeanne at jeannius.com Sun Jul 8 12:18:01 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:18:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <46913746.1090103@verizon.net> References: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> <46913746.1090103@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46913869.1090709@jeannius.com> I was just amused by their sales methods! Jeanne DonH wrote: > Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > >> Just found the sales tactics here a little less than >> tasteful......they are definitely aiming for the male rockhound market! >> >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteresa_rocksQQhtZ-1 > > > Trust me, as a male, I find nothing in the ads--especially the prices > and the bidding model--very appealing. > > Don > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jul 8 12:25:50 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:25:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] vanadinite mine for sale Message-ID: <4681D582001D51B9@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Hi List, I discovered the following on Richard Dale's website (he used to be a subscriber): Want to have your own collecting site? The Apache Vanadinite Mine, one of the first specimen mines in the country, is available for purchase. Contact me for details at: dalerocks1@cox.net Disclaimer: I have no connection with dalerocks except being a satisfied customer for several years. Aloha, Kitty From Rocks4u at prodigy.net Sun Jul 8 12:56:11 2007 From: Rocks4u at prodigy.net (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:55:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <46913869.1090709@jeannius.com> References: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> <46913746.1090103@verizon.net> <46913869.1090709@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <396FC70AE6874E18B6C1129AF831E34A@WesLingerfelPC> These are the same people who were selling Marrimamba "C" grade as "AA+" grade a few years back. Watch your step! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? >I was just amused by their sales methods! > > Jeanne > > DonH wrote: >> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >> >>> Just found the sales tactics here a little less than tasteful......they >>> are definitely aiming for the male rockhound market! >>> >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteresa_rocksQQhtZ-1 >> >> >> Trust me, as a male, I find nothing in the ads--especially the prices and >> the bidding model--very appealing. >> >> Don >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* > > *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* > > *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* > > *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* > > *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* > > *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dguin at earthlink.net Sun Jul 8 14:10:52 2007 From: dguin at earthlink.net (dave) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:11:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <46913869.1090709@jeannius.com> References: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> <46913746.1090103@verizon.net> <46913869.1090709@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <469152DC.1090906@earthlink.net> Just to nip any "bashing" in the bud, I have done business with Teresa and David for several years. I have always been satisfied with the description and quality of the specimen or rough. Since it is ebay I set my price, so I have no problems with that. Although Teresa is who Teresa is, their professionalism has never been a problem. Heck! Maybe, if I had the abs for it, I might take pictures of my tourmaline specimens on my stomach ;) The usual disclaimers apply -- I have no affiliation with Teresa and David beside having been a satisfied customer for several years Peace, dave Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > I was just amused by their sales methods! > > Jeanne > > DonH wrote: >> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >> >>> Just found the sales tactics here a little less than >>> tasteful......they are definitely aiming for the male rockhound market! >>> >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteresa_rocksQQhtZ-1 >> >> >> Trust me, as a male, I find nothing in the ads--especially the prices >> and the bidding model--very appealing. >> >> Don >> >> > From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 8 16:10:49 2007 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sun Jul 8 16:10:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Marra Mamba - was What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <396FC70AE6874E18B6C1129AF831E34A@WesLingerfelPC> Message-ID: <132054.93278.qm@web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.samsilverhawk.com/gemstone_descriptions/about_marra_mamba.html Yow! Wes Lingerfelt wrote: These are the same people who were selling Marrimamba "C" grade as "AA+" grade a few years back. Watch your step! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Sun Jul 8 17:10:11 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Sun Jul 8 17:10:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <46913869.1090709@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <20070709001011.8B5D31CC19@io.frii.com> > I was just amused by their sales methods! I must say, they are consistent and persistent. :-) But I don't think the photos contain reasonable, errr, scale objects. Hopefully they just think they are having fun. Regardless, it's a rather blatant distraction, which probably turns off most people who, like me, wonder, "how good can their product be if it can't, uhmmm, stand by itself?" Cheers, Alan Silverstein From turnea55 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 8 17:28:33 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Sun Jul 8 17:28:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <20070709001011.8B5D31CC19@io.frii.com> Message-ID: She's been selling minerals on ebay for several years now. My friend and I have been getting a kick out of it for a long time. We still joke about it. Andrew Turner >From: Alan Silverstein >Reply-To: ajs@frii.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for >rock and gem collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:10:11 -0600 (MDT) > > > I was just amused by their sales methods! > >I must say, they are consistent and persistent. :-) > >But I don't think the photos contain reasonable, errr, scale objects. >Hopefully they just think they are having fun. Regardless, it's a >rather blatant distraction, which probably turns off most people who, >like me, wonder, "how good can their product be if it can't, uhmmm, >stand by itself?" > >Cheers, >Alan Silverstein >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Jul 8 18:35:17 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Jul 8 18:35:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method In-Reply-To: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> References: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <469190D5.40803@rcn.com> HELLO What day were you there? Was it June 30th????? GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__ JClyde wrote: >Hi Everyone, My wife and I went to collect wavellite at Mt. Pleasant Mills quarry. We found some pretty nice specimens and would like to get advice on cleaning them the safest and best way. At minimum some have limonite coatings, others have a black coating that I don't know what it is. I have Iron Out, Oxalic acid, and Muratic Acid available. >Is there any tried and true method or formula? > >Thanks in advance, > >Clyde > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jul 8 18:48:20 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jul 8 18:45:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] vanadinite mine for sale References: <4681D582001D51B9@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <46919323.5863@Tomaszewski.net> Mindat says it used to be called the Defiance Mine and has a more complete than usual description http://www.mindat.org/loc-3323.html It was discovered in 1875 and was actively mined for Pb, V, Mo, Zn, Cu, Ag, Au, and W from 1929 thru 1957. There are about two dozen minerals known from this classic location, and most of them can make pretty specimens. I wonder what the asking price is, and how one could make that investment back from a mine that old without mining the proven reserves (another big investment), if any. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Hi List, > > I discovered the following on Richard Dale's website (he used to be a > subscriber): > > Want to have your own collecting site? The Apache Vanadinite Mine, > one of the first specimen mines in the country, is available for > purchase. Contact me for details at: > dalerocks1@cox.net > > Disclaimer: I have no connection with dalerocks except being a > satisfied customer for several years. > > Aloha, Kitty > From getclyde at verizon.net Sun Jul 8 19:00:06 2007 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde) Date: Sun Jul 8 19:00:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method References: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> <469190D5.40803@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001501c7c1cc$dfd49a90$6401a8c0@xp> No, We went there on Friday, July 6 - Have you been there and collected? Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Olmstead" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method > HELLO > > What day were you there? > > Was it June 30th????? > > GeorgiaO > > __..--..__..--..__ > > > JClyde wrote: > >>Hi Everyone, My wife and I went to collect wavellite at Mt. Pleasant >>Mills quarry. We found some pretty nice specimens and would like to get >>advice on cleaning them the safest and best way. At minimum some have >>limonite coatings, others have a black coating that I don't know what it >>is. I have Iron Out, Oxalic acid, and Muratic Acid available. Is there >>any tried and true method or formula? >> >>Thanks in advance, >> >>Clyde >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Jul 8 19:16:13 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Jul 8 19:16:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Pleasant Quarry, at 215 Quarry Road In-Reply-To: <001501c7c1cc$dfd49a90$6401a8c0@xp> References: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> <469190D5.40803@rcn.com> <001501c7c1cc$dfd49a90$6401a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <46919A6D.8050606@rcn.com> Hi ...was there on June 30 at the quarry on 215 Quarry Road. Is that where you were?? I understand that there is another quarry on "the other side of the river" (same company? ) GeorgiaO... __..--..__..--..__ Clyde wrote: > No, We went there on Friday, July 6 - Have you been there and collected? > > Clyde > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:35 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method > > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jul 8 19:30:46 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jul 8 19:30:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] vanadinite mine for sale In-Reply-To: <46919323.5863@Tomaszewski.net> References: <4681D582001D51B9@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> <46919323.5863@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <468E97180002D476@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I suggest you contact Richard Dale at dalerocks1@cox.net . He told me he used to sneak in there as a kid, and that some family members have some ownership connection. Aloha, Kitty At 03:48 PM 7/8/2007, Kreigh wrote: > >I wonder what the asking price is, and how one could make that >investment back from a mine that old without mining the proven reserves >(another big investment), if any. > >Kreigh > > >Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > > > Hi List, > > > > I discovered the following on Richard Dale's website (he used to be a > > subscriber): > > > > Want to have your own collecting site? The Apache Vanadinite Mine, > > one of the first specimen mines in the country, is available for > > purchase. Contact me for details at: > > dalerocks1@cox.net > > > > Disclaimer: I have no connection with dalerocks except being a > > satisfied customer for several years. > > > > Aloha, Kitty From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 8 20:13:19 2007 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sun Jul 8 20:13:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <432910.7215.qm@web82514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's probably a joke that could be made about Perky boxes and preferred mounting techniques, but not by me. Museum wax comes to mind. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From onehawkz at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 01:11:39 2007 From: onehawkz at gmail.com (Robert Denton) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:11:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Green and Red In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Possibly Mecury. Cheers On 7/5/07, Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: > > > Gemfield Green and Red > >About 15 minutes later two deputies arrived. They got me back on my > >back in my RV and drove away. > Grant, > It sounds like you could use a small 4X4 quad or something similar. > >All the good chalcedony was at another place on the hill. And that > >green stuff the call "Gemfield Jade" was on the other fork in the > >road. Has anybody ever identified the 'jade?' I don't know what it is > >but I know it's not jade. > > I just had a brief look at a piece of the Green Material today. A friend > of > mine brought it to work along with a piece of rust red material from the > same hill. The green piece had that waxy luster, light weight and the > feel of > hydrated silica; I would call it an opalite. I am not a geologist so > someone > on the list probably has some better information. > I am curious about the red material, found on the same hill. It seems > that > miners have followed a vein of the stuff down into the hill about four > feet. > The piece I saw was unremarkable very similar to the green but slightly > heavier. What use or properties of the red would prompt someone to dig > this > material? > Bob > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Jul 9 02:54:47 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jul 9 02:54:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? In-Reply-To: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> References: <46913254.1020107@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <000301c7c20f$2f9d89a0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hm, I don't know... Somehow those specimens look tiny compared to the photo's background. Are they micromounts? I had some trouble focussing on the rocks. It is indeed a welknown fact that galenite and calcite show a perfect cleavage. Pun intended, of course. Let's be careful not to blow things up out of proportion (LOL)... Oh help... I feel an unsurpressable urge to bust....pardon, burst out in laughter... Ok, I'm better now. Thanks for the tip Jeanne. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Jeanne > Rhodes-Moen > Verzonden: zondag 8 juli 2007 19:52 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] What are they really selling? > > Just found the sales tactics here a little less than > tasteful......they are definitely aiming for the male > rockhound market! > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZteresa_rocksQQhtZ-1 > > Jeanne > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From getclyde at verizon.net Mon Jul 9 03:53:31 2007 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde) Date: Mon Jul 9 03:53:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Pleasant Quarry, at 215 Quarry Road References: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> <469190D5.40803@rcn.com> <001501c7c1cc$dfd49a90$6401a8c0@xp> <46919A6D.8050606@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001901c7c217$646b04c0$6401a8c0@xp> Yes, That is the place. The main office for the National Limestone Quarry is in Middleburg at another quarry. The owner, Eric Stahl, is typically there. We stopped at his office first to see his private collection - he is a collector also! Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Olmstead" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Pleasant Quarry, at 215 Quarry Road > Hi > ...was there on June 30 at the quarry on 215 Quarry Road. Is that where > you were?? > I understand that there is another quarry on "the other side of the river" > (same company? ) > > GeorgiaO... > > __..--..__..--..__ > > Clyde wrote: > >> No, We went there on Friday, July 6 - Have you been there and collected? >> >> Clyde >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:35 PM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rocknate at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 06:01:49 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Mon Jul 9 06:01:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Pleasant Quarry, at 215 Quarry Road In-Reply-To: <001901c7c217$646b04c0$6401a8c0@xp> References: <001901c7c16c$659f0ea0$6401a8c0@xp> <469190D5.40803@rcn.com> <001501c7c1cc$dfd49a90$6401a8c0@xp> <46919A6D.8050606@rcn.com> <001901c7c217$646b04c0$6401a8c0@xp> Message-ID: In such posts it would be helpful for most people on the list if you would to indicate the state (and country) of the locality you are talking about. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 7/9/07, Clyde wrote: > > Yes, That is the place. The main office for the National Limestone > Quarry > is in Middleburg at another quarry. The owner, Eric Stahl, is typically > there. We stopped at his office first to see his private collection - he > is > a collector also! > > Clyde > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Olmstead" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:16 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mt. Pleasant Quarry, at 215 Quarry Road > > > > Hi > > ...was there on June 30 at the quarry on 215 Quarry Road. Is that where > > you were?? > > I understand that there is another quarry on "the other side of the > river" > > (same company? ) > > > > GeorgiaO... > > > > __..--..__..--..__ > > > > Clyde wrote: > > > >> No, We went there on Friday, July 6 - Have you been there and > collected? > >> > >> Clyde > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > >> > >> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:35 PM > >> Subject: [Rockhounds] safest wavellite cleaning method > >> > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kirkstephan at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 12:26:42 2007 From: kirkstephan at hotmail.com (kirk stephan) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:26:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Just finished natural colored amber nuggets Message-ID: I've just finished polishing up some beauties-Fancy colored amber nuggetes from the Chiapas mine; 'wanted to share; photos at my site- 'Invite to my site,of course< http://geocities.com/kirkstephany _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 9 12:29:58 2007 From: cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net (Cliff Jackson) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:30:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation Message-ID: <3524167.1184009398957.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Timm I found it easy to use. In addition there is a table of the locations encluded witch can be loaded into my Delorme mapping softwear. >Honest Evaluation > >I am thinking about purchasing Tim Fishers 4.0 or 4.1 CD. I have read his website and it looks great. Cliff Jackson Las Vegas From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Jul 9 13:03:50 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:03:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Just finished natural colored amber nuggets References: Message-ID: <000d01c7c264$44c38190$6400a8c0@Junior> If this faith healer refuses to put >ADVERT< in his subject line, could you ban him please? Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirk stephan" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Just finished natural colored amber nuggets > I've just finished polishing up some beauties-Fancy colored amber nuggetes > from the Chiapas mine; 'wanted to share; photos at my site- > > 'Invite to my site,of course< http://geocities.com/kirkstephany > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Jul 9 13:31:46 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:31:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Ads (was) Just finished natural colored amber nuggets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46835929001BC46D@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Reminder to anyone who places ads on this list: You must out [AD] in the subject line when posting an advertisement. For other advertisement regulations please check the List Usage Policy at the website listed at the bottom of every Rockhounds message. Aloha, Kitty At 09:26 AM 7/9/2007, you wrote: >I've just finished polishing up some beauties-Fancy colored amber >nuggetes from the Chiapas mine; 'wanted to share; photos at my site- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Mon Jul 9 14:10:31 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (MICHAEL SCHMIDT) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:10:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Just finished natural colored amber nuggets In-Reply-To: <000d01c7c264$44c38190$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <000d01c7c264$44c38190$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: the poltically term is "Healy Feely" :-) Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." Date: Monday, July 9, 2007 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Just finished natural colored amber nuggets To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > If this faith healer refuses to put >ADVERT< in his subject > line, could you > ban him please? > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kirk stephan" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Just finished natural colored amber nuggets > > > > I've just finished polishing up some beauties-Fancy colored > amber nuggetes > > from the Chiapas mine; 'wanted to share; photos at my site- > > > > 'Invite to my site,of course< http://geocities.com/kirkstephany > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Tue Jul 10 05:09:36 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Tue Jul 10 05:09:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] change of subject In-Reply-To: <200707080015.l680FJQG029910@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <508008.73179.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are going to lake Erie this weekend, and was wondering, What if anything is around the Toledo area? Are there any good beach collecting sites? T.J. --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Not so for the upcoming new volume. I will just say > that the author > has done a most excellent job. Stay tuned and I'm > sure someone will > squawk when it is published ;) > > At 05:36 PM 7/6/2007, you wrote: > >On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:12:25 -0700, Tim Fisher > > >wrote: > > > > >Warning, self-promotion follows! Feel free to > delete! > > > > > >Throw it out. You might get very lucky and find a > few pieces worth > > >taking home. My DVD has all the pits at Glass > Buttes; there is > > >virtually no overlap between any place you would > want to dig and that > > >"book". The one site in there that is worthwhile > is claimed and you > > >need permission to dig. > > > >You could apply the same remarks to most any of the > "Gem Trails of > >..." books. > > > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rpr at heidelberg.edu Tue Jul 10 05:59:04 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Tue Jul 10 05:59:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] change of subject In-Reply-To: <508008.73179.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <508008.73179.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4710AB03-18AB-4D32-8E9A-3C1887919119@heidelberg.edu> The only collecting in the Toledo area is in the limestone quarries, where one can find calcite, celestite, sulfur in some, marcasite and pyrite as small crystals, occasional small galena crystals, and fluorite. The problem is that gaining access is difficult, mostly requires going on a club field trip. The suburb of Sylvania has a quarry that is famous for its fossils, some of which are replaced by pyrite or marcasite. Large and excellent Phacops trilobites were found there. To my knowledge it is now closed to routine collecting, but I think there is now a "fossil park" or something of the sort there, where they bring in truckloads of material for people to scrounge through. Not what it used to be, but still might be worthwhile if you like fossils. Check the web using "Sylvania Ohio fossil", but pay little attention to the posting that lists the fossil park as a "premiere archeological attraction"(!!!!) Pete Richards On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:09 AM, teresa jetter wrote: > We are going to lake Erie this weekend, and was > wondering, What if anything is around the Toledo area? > Are there any good beach collecting sites? > T.J. ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Tue Jul 10 07:29:02 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Tue Jul 10 07:29:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? Message-ID: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should have it in hand in a couple of days. unusual red agate Jeanne -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) multipart/related text/html image/jpeg --- From TomE61 at aol.com Tue Jul 10 07:31:03 2007 From: TomE61 at aol.com (TomE61@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 10 07:31:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: MItchell Maps to Hell Message-ID: I wholeheartedly concur with Kelly's assessment of the Mitchell books. I have several state editions, and I have learned, sadly, that the books are inadequate. There is one exception: The New Jersey and Pennsylvania guide is not complete useless, although as Kelly points out, some of the locations may have been transformed into hi-tech malls and business centers. It irritates me that someone who endeavors to put together a collecting guide doesn't go back and update it. Seven or more years is like a geologic eternity, especially in light of our habit of reclaiming land for new construction. In summary, don't waste your money on the Mitchell guides. Rely on this site instead. At least the contributors have been to the sites in the recent past ! Regards, Tom Russell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Jul 10 07:54:25 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Jul 10 07:49:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: MItchell Maps to Hell References: Message-ID: <000701c7c302$36081a00$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> There are quite a few guide books out there written by someone other than Mitchel. I have found several of them quite useful. The Mitchel guide for Northern California is useful. I had quite a few problems with the Mitchel guide for Oregon. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. I always carry a guide book for any state I am traveling in. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: MItchell Maps to Hell > I wholeheartedly concur with Kelly's assessment of the Mitchell books. I > have several state editions, and I have learned, sadly, that the books are > inadequate. There is one exception: The New Jersey and Pennsylvania guide is > not complete useless, although as Kelly points out, some of the locations may > have been transformed into hi-tech malls and business centers. > > It irritates me that someone who endeavors to put together a collecting > guide doesn't go back and update it. Seven or more years is like a geologic > eternity, especially in light of our habit of reclaiming land for new > construction. > > In summary, don't waste your money on the Mitchell guides. Rely on this > site instead. At least the contributors have been to the sites in the recent > past ! > > Regards, > Tom Russell > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From territoones1 at ameritech.net Tue Jul 10 18:40:39 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:40:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] change of subject In-Reply-To: <4710AB03-18AB-4D32-8E9A-3C1887919119@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: <502895.19060.qm@web81712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Pete. We may just do that! Teri Jetter --- "R. Peter Richards" wrote: > The only collecting in the Toledo area is in the > limestone quarries, > where one can find calcite, celestite, sulfur in > some, marcasite and > pyrite as small crystals, occasional small galena > crystals, and > fluorite. The problem is that gaining access is > difficult, mostly > requires going on a club field trip. > > The suburb of Sylvania has a quarry that is famous > for its fossils, > some of which are replaced by pyrite or marcasite. > Large and > excellent Phacops trilobites were found there. To > my knowledge it is > now closed to routine collecting, but I think there > is now a "fossil > park" or something of the sort there, where they > bring in truckloads > of material for people to scrounge through. Not > what it used to be, > but still might be worthwhile if you like fossils. > > Check the web using "Sylvania Ohio fossil", but pay > little attention > to the posting that lists the fossil park as a > "premiere > archeological attraction"(!!!!) > > Pete Richards > > On Jul 10, 2007, at 8:09 AM, teresa jetter wrote: > > > We are going to lake Erie this weekend, and was > > wondering, What if anything is around the Toledo > area? > > Are there any good beach collecting sites? > > T.J. > > > ___________________________________ > R. Peter Richards > rpr@heidelberg.edu > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From brenick at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 05:21:07 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Wed Jul 11 05:21:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> i don't see an agate On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > > Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, > probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should have > it in hand in a couple of days. > > unusual red agate > > Jeanne > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* > > *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* > > *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* > > *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* > > *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* > > *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > multipart/related > text/html > image/jpeg > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Wed Jul 11 05:28:49 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Wed Jul 11 05:28:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. may not read html.... here's the address: http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG Jeanne Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: > i don't see an agate > > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >> >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should have >> it in hand in a couple of days. >> >> unusual red agate >> >> Jeanne >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >> >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >> >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >> >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >> >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >> >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> multipart/related >> text/html >> image/jpeg >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 08:55:28 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Wed Jul 11 08:56:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> my guess would be a type of jaspilite, but I am not sure. looks like a beauty! On 7/11/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > > you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. > may not read html.... > > here's the address: > > http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG > > > Jeanne > > Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: > > i don't see an agate > > > > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > >> > >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, > >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should have > >> it in hand in a couple of days. > >> > >> unusual red agate > >> > >> Jeanne > >> > >> -- > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* > >> > >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* > >> > >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* > >> > >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* > >> > >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* > >> > >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> multipart/related > >> text/html > >> image/jpeg > >> --- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* > > *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* > > *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* > > *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* > > *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* > > *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Wed Jul 11 09:00:39 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:01:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> what is "jaspilite"??? is that another one of those terms that someone has just created to descibe another agate or jasper from a different locality???? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? > my guess would be a type of jaspilite, but I am not sure. looks like a > beauty! > > On 7/11/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >> >> you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. >> may not read html.... >> >> here's the address: >> >> http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG >> >> >> Jeanne >> >> Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >> > i don't see an agate >> > >> > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >> >> >> >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, >> >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should have >> >> it in hand in a couple of days. >> >> >> >> unusual red agate >> >> >> >> Jeanne >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >> >> >> >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >> >> >> >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >> >> >> >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >> >> >> >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >> >> >> >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> >> multipart/alternative >> >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> >> multipart/related >> >> text/html >> >> image/jpeg >> >> --- >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >> Subscription Services: >> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> > multipart/alternative >> > text/plain (text body -- kept) >> > text/html >> > --- >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >> >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >> >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >> >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >> >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >> >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jeanne at jeannius.com Wed Jul 11 09:09:46 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:09:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> Message-ID: <469500CA.2000108@jeannius.com> first I've heard of it, but there is a page on it here: http://newark.osu.edu/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/UP%20Michigan%20geology/Jasper%20Knob.htm Michael Schmidt wrote: > what is "jaspilite"??? is that another one of those terms that > someone has just created to descibe another agate or jasper from a > different locality???? > > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? > > >> my guess would be a type of jaspilite, but I am not sure. looks like a >> beauty! >> >> On 7/11/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>> >>> you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. >>> may not read html.... >>> >>> here's the address: >>> >>> http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG >>> >>> >>> Jeanne >>> >>> Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >>> > i don't see an agate >>> > >>> > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, >>> >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should >>> have >>> >> it in hand in a couple of days. >>> >> >>> >> unusual red agate >>> >> >>> >> Jeanne >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >> >>> >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >>> >> >>> >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> >> multipart/alternative >>> >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> >> multipart/related >>> >> text/html >>> >> image/jpeg >>> >> --- >>> >> -- >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> >> Subscription Services: >>> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> > multipart/alternative >>> > text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> > text/html >>> > --- >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >>> >>> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >>> >>> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >>> >>> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >>> >>> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >>> >>> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Wed Jul 11 09:16:10 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:18:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> <469500CA.2000108@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <013401c7c3d6$e8e9c2c0$c51f9444@michael01> I have never heard of this term before. It really seems like some silly name that someone has made up to describe a local occurence of sinmply a unique rock. It seems to be mentioned on a lot of academic websites in or around a Michigan locality. I wonder who came up with this one? I would be surprised if it was acctually a scientifically accepted term, versus just some word that has now become accepted as an actual gem/mineral type Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? > first I've heard of it, but there is a page on it here: > > http://newark.osu.edu/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/UP%20Michigan%20geology/Jasper%20Knob.htm > > > > Michael Schmidt wrote: >> what is "jaspilite"??? is that another one of those terms that someone >> has just created to descibe another agate or jasper from a different >> locality???? >> >> Michael >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" >> >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? >> >> >>> my guess would be a type of jaspilite, but I am not sure. looks like a >>> beauty! >>> >>> On 7/11/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>>> >>>> you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. >>>> may not read html.... >>>> >>>> here's the address: >>>> >>>> http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG >>>> >>>> >>>> Jeanne >>>> >>>> Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >>>> > i don't see an agate >>>> > >>>> > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, >>>> >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should >>>> have >>>> >> it in hand in a couple of days. >>>> >> >>>> >> unusual red agate >>>> >> >>>> >> Jeanne >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >>>> >> >>>> >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >>>> >> >>>> >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >>>> >> >>>> >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >>>> >> >>>> >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >>>> >> >>>> >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>> >> multipart/alternative >>>> >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>> >> multipart/related >>>> >> text/html >>>> >> image/jpeg >>>> >> --- >>>> >> -- >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>> >> Subscription Services: >>>> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>> > multipart/alternative >>>> > text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>> > text/html >>>> > --- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >>>> >>>> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >>>> >>>> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >>>> >>>> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >>>> >>>> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >>>> >>>> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>> multipart/alternative >>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>> text/html >>>> --- >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>> Subscription Services: >>>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* > > *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* > > *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* > > *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* > > *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* > > *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jeanne at jeannius.com Wed Jul 11 09:25:15 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:25:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <013401c7c3d6$e8e9c2c0$c51f9444@michael01> References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> <469500CA.2000108@jeannius.com> <013401c7c3d6$e8e9c2c0$c51f9444@michael01> Message-ID: <4695046B.4080003@jeannius.com> it seems like it's bands of red jasper, specular hematite and regular hematite according to what I could search up....but the pictures I saw showed really clear bands..so I'm not sure that's what I'm getting or not. When it comes, hopefully tomorrow, I'll take better photos. BTW. I found a neat site everyone might want to check out... http://www.agateswithinclusions.com/ he's got quite a collection of cool agates with inclusions of different kinds. So far, most of the feedback of gotten seems to indicate something out of Mexico. Jeanne Michael Schmidt wrote: > I have never heard of this term before. It really seems like some > silly name that someone has made up to describe a local occurence of > sinmply a unique rock. It seems to be mentioned on a lot of academic > websites in or around a Michigan locality. > > I wonder who came up with this one? I would be surprised if it was > acctually a scientifically accepted term, versus just some word that > has now become accepted as an actual gem/mineral type > > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? > > >> first I've heard of it, but there is a page on it here: >> >> http://newark.osu.edu/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/UP%20Michigan%20geology/Jasper%20Knob.htm >> >> >> >> >> Michael Schmidt wrote: >>> what is "jaspilite"??? is that another one of those terms that >>> someone has just created to descibe another agate or jasper from a >>> different locality???? >>> >>> Michael >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" >>> >>> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>> collectors" >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:55 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? >>> >>> >>>> my guess would be a type of jaspilite, but I am not sure. looks >>>> like a >>>> beauty! >>>> >>>> On 7/11/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. >>>>> may not read html.... >>>>> >>>>> here's the address: >>>>> >>>>> http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jeanne >>>>> >>>>> Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >>>>> > i don't see an agate >>>>> > >>>>> > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains >>>>> metalic, >>>>> >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. 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<014601c7c3d8$023cf4d0$c51f9444@michael01> Hello Does anyone out there have a copy of: Black Opal Fossils of Lightning Ridge. Treasures from the Rainbow Billabong. Elizabeth & Robert Smith Published 1999, Kangaroo Press ISBN 0 86417 909 X A friend of mine has a copy, but he is out of town at the moment, and I am in need of a scan of some of the photos in the book. Can anyone be of any help? Thanks Michael From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jul 11 09:43:13 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:43:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <4695046B.4080003@jeannius.com> References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> <469500CA.2000108@jeannius.com> <013401c7c3d6$e8e9c2c0$c51f9444@michael01> <4695046B.4080003@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <8C991F1B53EAEFB-55C-7BC7@webmail-da19.sysops.aol.com> Jaspilite is a name that's been around for a long time for this banded red jasper & black hematite material from Michigan, and both rockhounds and geologists from that region are pretty familiar with it; I guess the term may not make it into common knowledge, for many collectors from the rest of the country. That web page about the UP jaspilite is really a good one--great pictures! >> first I've heard of it, but there is a page on it here:? >>? >> http://newark.osu.edu/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/UP%20Michigan%20geology/Jasper%20Knob.htm >>? Your piece, Jeanne, is a more solid and brighter red than I usually see.? I know that similar banded material comes from elsewhere in the world too; I have one polished piece that I think is from Australia. Sincerely, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Jeanne Rhodes-Moen To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? it seems like it's bands of red jasper, specular hematite and regular hematite according to what I could search up....but the pictures I saw showed really clear bands..so I'm not sure that's what I'm getting or not. When it comes, hopefully tomorrow, I'll take better photos. BTW. I found a neat site everyone might want to check out...? ? http://www.agateswithinclusions.com/? ? he's got quite a collection of cool agates with inclusions of different kinds.? ? So far, most of the feedback of gotten seems to indicate something out of Mexico.? Jeanne? ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Wed Jul 11 15:15:45 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:07:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Desert Gardens contact - Quartzite Message-ID: <44fd5c93ad07087c3a54547212c5ddef@nbnet.nb.ca> Hi everyone, Last year at Quartzite I briefly met "Sandra" from San Bernardino California who held some sort of management or coordinating function at the Quartzite Desert Gardens Show. I was going to get her contact information but left without doing so. Might any of you folks know the lady in question and how to contact her? Please email privately if you do. Cheers & thanks Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Jul 11 18:47:42 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Jul 11 18:47:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? References: <469397AE.2020504@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110521u467de57fx383c3687659dff7@mail.gmail.com> <4694CD01.5010705@jeannius.com> <97175ae90707110855i4a2f21bbtbacd2200b8c08568@mail.gmail.com> <012001c7c3d4$a0b44400$c51f9444@michael01> Message-ID: <004401c7c426$a38963c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> It is a type of jasper with one third less calories than the regular material. You know -- like a geodilite, chalcedonilite, and who can forget those banded Brazilian agalites! Ideal for collectors who don't have a lot of room and for lapidary folks who make small jewelry. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? > what is "jaspilite"??? is that another one of those terms that someone > has just created to descibe another agate or jasper from a different > locality???? > > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? > > >> my guess would be a type of jaspilite, but I am not sure. looks like a >> beauty! >> >> On 7/11/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>> >>> you may need to click on a download images button or your mail prog. >>> may not read html.... >>> >>> here's the address: >>> >>> http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a9/79/f464_1.JPG >>> >>> >>> Jeanne >>> >>> Nick & Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >>> > i don't see an agate >>> > >>> > On 7/10/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Anyone recognize this Agate? it's rather unusual...contains metalic, >>> >> probably hematite, inclusions. also has sagenite in it. I should >>> >> have >>> >> it in hand in a couple of days. >>> >> >>> >> unusual red agate >>> >> >>> >> Jeanne >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >>> >> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >>> >> >>> >> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >>> >> >>> >> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> >> multipart/alternative >>> >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> >> multipart/related >>> >> text/html >>> >> image/jpeg >>> >> --- >>> >> -- >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> >> Subscription Services: >>> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> > multipart/alternative >>> > text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> > text/html >>> > --- >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* >>> >>> *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* >>> >>> *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* >>> >>> *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* >>> >>> *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* >>> >>> *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Jul 11 18:57:04 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Wed Jul 11 18:57:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Mt rushmore and Yellowstone References: <44fd5c93ad07087c3a54547212c5ddef@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <00d601c7c427$f2915d50$2784633f@marilyn> Hi I have a friend who is traveling to Mt. Rushmore and Yellowstone from Albequerque any suggested stops or places to rock hound? We discussed the yellowstone river and I told him to check the pegmatite quarrys around the black hills but maybe you locals know of some good spots they have children and we're trying to make new rockhound here. Thanks Steve > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kward at themineralgallery.com Wed Jul 11 21:08:48 2007 From: kward at themineralgallery.com (Kevin Ward) Date: Wed Jul 11 21:08:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Mt rushmore and Yellowstone In-Reply-To: <00d601c7c427$f2915d50$2784633f@marilyn> References: <44fd5c93ad07087c3a54547212c5ddef@nbnet.nb.ca> <00d601c7c427$f2915d50$2784633f@marilyn> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070711230038.0337eef8@themineralgallery.com> Steve, tell your friend to visit Crystal Park, Montana which is about 2 1/2 hours from West Yellowstone. It's located just west of Dillon or just north of the ghost town of Bannock (which is a pretty neat place to visit as well). I was at Crystal Park just last week and we dug out some nice scepter Quartz crystals which ranged from clear to Amethyst to a reddish color. If he goes, make sure he brings a small shovel and screen. Bug repellent is also a good thing to bring to keep the bugs away. Water and restrooms are on site with a hand pump for water. The kids will love the experience. Kevin At 08:57 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote: >Hi I have a friend who is traveling to Mt. Rushmore and Yellowstone from >Albequerque any suggested stops or places to rock hound? We discussed the >yellowstone river and I told him to check the pegmatite quarrys around the >black hills but maybe you locals know of some good spots they have >children and we're trying to make new rockhound here. Thanks Steve >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html The Mineral Gallery and Auction http://www.themineralgallery.com http://www.exceptionalminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Wed Jul 11 21:27:05 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Wed Jul 11 21:27:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] let's play Name That Agate? In-Reply-To: <013401c7c3d6$e8e9c2c0$c51f9444@michael01> Message-ID: <20070712042705.6195A1CC08@io.frii.com> > I have never heard of this term before. It really seems like some > silly name that someone has made up... I guess you wouldn't like, either, the term I coined for some unusual agates (chalcedony?) we find in Shirley Basin, Wyoming. They are typically no more than 2" across, clear to translucent, with a light tinge of blue or gray. What sets them apart is their indescribable internal pattern, seen best after scrubbing off lichen, perhaps soaking off caliche in acid, and often after tumble-polishing; usually by holding them up to the sun or some other bright light. The insides of these goobers are kind of swirly in a jelly-like way. They remind me of looking through a jar of grape jelly, although usually not as darkly colored, that is, more translucent. So naturally I call them: "jelly agates". Has anyone here ever heard this term used? Or if not, an older/better term for the same effect I described? Thanks, Alan Silverstein From dalerocks1 at cox.net Wed Jul 11 22:44:39 2007 From: dalerocks1 at cox.net (Richard) Date: Wed Jul 11 22:44:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Mt rushmore and Yellowstone References: <44fd5c93ad07087c3a54547212c5ddef@nbnet.nb.ca><00d601c7c427$f2915d50$2784633f@marilyn> <6.2.0.14.2.20070711230038.0337eef8@themineralgallery.com> Message-ID: <00a801c7c447$be11ace0$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> If you do get over into the Crystal Park area, it isn't all that far from my favorite ghost town of Coolidge, MT. It is quite well preserved & I assume folks on this list know to keep it that way... See http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/mt/coolidge.html Which has some good photos by Kevin. As an aside, I think the mine that very temporarily supported the town was basically a scam. Capital expenditure in infrastructure was impressive to draw in investors (reputedly including namesake Calvin Coolidge), but the reserves just weren't there. Also on the way from Yellowstone, if you go by way of the Ruby reservoir http://goldwest.visitmt.com/listings/899.htm there are tiny red garnets to be found in the gravel around the shore, some faceting quality. The talc mines in the Dillon/Ennis area have good carving material and might give you some, but are not open for collecting. Cheers, Richard Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Travel to Mt rushmore and Yellowstone > Steve, tell your friend to visit Crystal Park, Montana which is about 2 > 1/2 hours from West Yellowstone. > It's located just west of Dillon or just north of the ghost town of > Bannock (which is a pretty neat place > to visit as well). I was at Crystal Park just last week and we dug out > some nice scepter Quartz crystals > which ranged from clear to Amethyst to a reddish color. If he goes, make > sure he brings a small shovel > and screen. Bug repellent is also a good thing to bring to keep the bugs > away. Water and restrooms are > on site with a hand pump for water. The kids will love the experience. > > Kevin From kward at themineralgallery.com Thu Jul 12 00:44:24 2007 From: kward at themineralgallery.com (Kevin Ward) Date: Thu Jul 12 00:44:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Travel to Mt rushmore and Yellowstone In-Reply-To: <00a801c7c447$be11ace0$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> References: <44fd5c93ad07087c3a54547212c5ddef@nbnet.nb.ca> <00d601c7c427$f2915d50$2784633f@marilyn> <6.2.0.14.2.20070711230038.0337eef8@themineralgallery.com> <00a801c7c447$be11ace0$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070712023540.0337df30@themineralgallery.com> As long as we're listing good ghost towns to visit in the area, don't forget Garnet and Elkhorn. Both sites are in nearby Granite and Jefferson Counties and well worth a visit. They're also still listed on the map even though they've been deserted for many decades. Kevin At 12:44 AM 7/12/2007, you wrote: >If you do get over into the Crystal Park area, it isn't all that far from >my favorite ghost town of Coolidge, MT. It is quite well preserved & I >assume folks on this list know to keep it that way... > >See http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/mt/coolidge.html > >Which has some good photos by Kevin. > >As an aside, I think the mine that very temporarily supported the town was >basically a scam. Capital expenditure in infrastructure was impressive to >draw in investors (reputedly including namesake Calvin Coolidge), but the >reserves just weren't there. > >Also on the way from Yellowstone, if you go by way of the Ruby reservoir > >http://goldwest.visitmt.com/listings/899.htm > >there are tiny red garnets to be found in the gravel around the shore, >some faceting quality. > >The talc mines in the Dillon/Ennis area have good carving material and >might give you some, but are not open for collecting. > >Cheers, >Richard > > >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Travel to Mt rushmore and Yellowstone > > >>Steve, tell your friend to visit Crystal Park, Montana which is about 2 >>1/2 hours from West Yellowstone. >>It's located just west of Dillon or just north of the ghost town of >>Bannock (which is a pretty neat place >>to visit as well). I was at Crystal Park just last week and we dug out >>some nice scepter Quartz crystals >>which ranged from clear to Amethyst to a reddish color. If he goes, make >>sure he brings a small shovel >>and screen. Bug repellent is also a good thing to bring to keep the bugs >>away. Water and restrooms are >>on site with a hand pump for water. The kids will love the experience. >> >>Kevin > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html The Mineral Gallery and Auction http://www.themineralgallery.com http://www.exceptionalminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From llbullbull at hotmail.com Thu Jul 12 13:29:14 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:29:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite Message-ID: Hello Group: Does anyone out there have any idea if and where autinite might have come from in South Carolina? Thank your for any help. Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into?before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From hammerron at yahoo.com Thu Jul 12 13:45:35 2007 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:45:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <244940.9398.qm@web83506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Larry: Do you mean autunite? I did find a reference to a major NORTH Carolina occurrence if so: http://www.answers.com/topic/autunite?cat=technology Lawrence Bull wrote: Hello Group: Does anyone out there have any idea if and where autinite might have come from in South Carolina? Thank your for any help. Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Thu Jul 12 13:48:31 2007 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Thu Jul 12 13:48:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4696939F.9080405@ncmail.net> Lawrence Bull wrote: >Hello Group: > >Does anyone out there have any idea if and where autinite might have come from in South Carolina? > >Thank your for any help. > >Larry Bull >_________________________________________________________________ >See what you?re getting into?before you go there. >http://newlivehotmail.com > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > Larry If you meant North Carolina, I can provide you with several locations. I don't know any for South Carolina. Kenny NC Geological Survey From danhanks at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 15:01:36 2007 From: danhanks at gmail.com (Dan Hanks) Date: Thu Jul 12 15:01:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tips on collecting in Snake Creek Canyon, Utah Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been interested in doing some collecting in Snake Creek Canyon, near Wasatch Mountain State Park in Utah (Wasatch County). I read that there are a number of mines in the area, one of which I believe was co-discovered by my great-grandfather, hence my interest in exploring the area. Any tips anyone might provide on exploring the dumps from these mines would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -- Dan From danhanks at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 18:52:58 2007 From: danhanks at gmail.com (Dan Hanks) Date: Thu Jul 12 18:53:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mitchell maps to hell In-Reply-To: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> Message-ID: I too have some disappointments with the book, however... On 7/7/07, jlkelly1066 wrote: > (Case in point: In the latest edition of GTU Mitchell is > still listing the opalized wood by Kimball Junction. "After > you turn off of I-80 you turn off the first road on the way > to Heber City search and dig in the area between the water > plant and the road." Sound good, right? HOWEVER, if you > follow his instructions the people at the Mercedes > dealership and the people living in the veddy expensive > homes will take great umbruge at you attempting to dig in > front yards on the parking lot of the Mercedes plant that > has been there for at least seven years!) I have in my hands an "Expanded, Revised Edition," (2nd Edition) published in 2006, and I can't find mention of Kimball Junction anywhere in the book. There is an entry on Silver Creek Junction (same place?) with a specific mention to watch out for the status of collecting on private property, but not the text you quote above. Perhaps you have a later reprint of the first edition? > > He is still listing four sites found in the Escalante > National Monument. Huh, Jimmy boy, if ya don't know, > collecting Moqui Marbles will get you a hefty $5,000 fine, > confiscation of vehicle and maybe some time in the slammer > where you will have all sort of time to think about your > lousy book. In this second edition he specifically mentions in the Introduction that the creation of the monument required removing a number of sites listed in the previous edition. I can't find any entries in this edition that refer to sites within the monument. His book has been helpful to me mainly for putting in one place a large list of collecting sites that I would otherwise be unaware of. I agree that often his maps are vague, and will get you to the general vicinity, but I'd recommend anyone following his guide to do a bit more homework online and with other collectors before setting out to be able to find the best spots. By consulting several sources of information you'll end up with a much better picture of where you're going. As someone else mentioned, 10 years between editions is quite some time, but I still think there is some value in the book. FWIW, -- Dan From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Jul 12 20:33:44 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Jul 12 20:31:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] WAS: Mitchell maps... now: a true book in Idaho In-Reply-To: References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> Message-ID: <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> Dan Hanks wrote: > I too have some disappointments with the book, however... I certainly agree that a lot of guide books are terrible. However I would like to point out a great book experience I had just this morning! As I was taking a "vacation" and cruising around the St. Joe Forest in north central Idaho, I was trying to find a place we had visited on a field trip. All those dirt roads look the same. As I crested a rise literally in the middle of nowhere, I saw a senior citizen bent over in the road. Now where did she come from? Her husband was in a van further up the road, I found out. She was looking for garnets too! She gave me a little one off the ground. This wasn't the formation I remembered, but it didn't hurt to start looking while I was here. I drove further up the road, trying to get to a peak called Castle Rock, but the road became too bad for my car to take. I turned around and found some compact schist on the roadside, which contained small garnets when hammered open, but nothing I wanted to keep. However, when I got out and took a look around the foundations of the former fire lookout tower, I found a golf-ball-sized garnet in a loose, very micaceous schist. It did not appear to come from any of the local rock, but again, the area seemed as if it had been heavily worked and filled to make the road passable. I saw nothing else even close to that. As I approached their mega-van, they were stopped in the road eating lunch. I showed them my large garnet. Then they said they were going to look for kyanite next; they had tried already but failed. I scratched my head and commented that the rock around here didn't appear that it could contain any significant kyanite. I should also point out that the area has been metamorphosed, intruded, folded, lifted, and scrunched, to the point where you might find a completely different facies a few hundred feet away; anything is possible. And so it was that they pulled out one of Lanny Ream's books! Well I couldn't argue with that. The map was a primitive line drawing, but it did give 1/10th mile intervals for where the minerals would be. I told them they should just keep eating lunch--after they let me get by--and I would go up to the intersection, zero my odometer, and come back 0.8 mi. to where the kyanite outcrop was supposed to be, and they could find me when they were done. Well, it turned out the outcrop was about 30 ft. from where they were already parked! It certainly looked like a different rock than most of what we had seen along that road. I tried to call Lanny for advice--I guess we weren't *that* far from the nearest tower--but the cell signal kept breaking up. So I got out with my tools and began to look for telltale lath-like crystals, which I expected to be small. I think those folks had been expecting deep blue knife-sized blades of kyanite like they had seen in rock shops or from other sites. Well, to make the story short, I did some exploring and found what they were looking for. By this time they had wandered over from the van, with their granddaughter. To our happy surprise, there were sky-blue crystals, long and thin, up to 30mm, in one layer of the rock. I showed the granddaughter an accordion-folded piece of rock, showed them the dip angle and the foliation layers, and pointed out the thick, crumbly strata of dark mica that was right below the kyanite. Fortunately the formation was very clearly foliated and it was easy to chisel sideways into the mica and pry off small plates of the kyanite-containing rock. I only took a few for myself, since I am trying to off-load specimens, not obtain them; the best piece I collected was a micro matrix specimen of perfectly transparent, terminated, aqua blue kyanite, perhaps 2mm long, and fantastic under the 10x loupe. My new friends appreciated micros, but were happy to have their larger, thumbnail sized blue beauties in white matrix. We each had a handful, which is all any of us wanted. There are still plates of blue kyanite crystals there to be had; unfortunately, given the remoteness of the locality, they will probably weather out long before most of them are collected. It is nice to get back to the joys of simple collecting. After a number of years it is easy to become jaded. However this family was excited by their find, and of course it is always great to see a youngster having fun and appreciating the blue-on-white crystals; and we all enjoyed the view from 6,000 ft. and a cloudless sky, with enough heat to melt the remaining pockets of snow (!) but not enough to be terribly hot. It always pays around here to talk to everyone you meet; I found some nice samples I would never have known were there, and those folks found something they knew was there but weren't sure how to get. I've collected some opaque and translucent white kyanite up to 5cm around here, but never the pale blue, and I like these much more despite their size. And of course it was some faith in Lanny's directions that made me keep looking; if it had been any other guide book, I would have shaken my head pretty quickly and wished them luck. If you want to see where we were, using TerraServer or GoogleEarth or TopoUSA or whatever, check out some UTM coordinates: datum NAD27 CONUS, grid 11T, Easting 0573872, Northing 5205958 . It's nice to have specific grid coordinates, but this outcrop was really 0.8 miles from the turnoff! Best, Don From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Thu Jul 12 21:34:06 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066@iglide.net) Date: Thu Jul 12 21:32:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon In-Reply-To: <200707130100.l6D10s22029467@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200707130100.l6D10s22029467@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <469700BE.7010200@iglide.net> Dan, If you are not aware, Snake Creek canyon and the surrounding mountains are, as you say full of tunnels and mines. To my knowledge not one of them is safe to walk ten feet into. If you want to see the mine your great granddaddy found you might be better off to check out the tailings but there isn't a geologist in the state that would suggest exploring any of the mines in those hills. Most of them have been blasted shut or are fenced seven ways from Sunday and all for a purpose. I've collected some amazing silver and other specimens on the tailings up Snake Creek Canyon and in the mines behind Park City. Lots there to gather. Good luck. If I can be of assistance let me know. Kelly From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jul 12 21:59:20 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jul 12 21:59:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a true book on Idaho (great story!) In-Reply-To: <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46964CB20001EF00@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) List, I highly recommend you take the time to read Don's message. It's long, but great. Don, what a wonderful story! Yes, about a good book (Lanny Ream's), but also a great trip report, as well as testimony to the joys of true rockhounding, as well as sharing with children, helping others, etc. Aloha, Kitty At 05:33 PM 7/12/2007, donhalterman wrote: As I was taking a "vacation" and cruising around the St. Joe Forest in north central Idaho, I was trying to find a place we had visited on a field trip. All those dirt roads look the same. And of course it was some faith in Lanny's directions that made me keep looking; if it had been any other guide book, I would have shaken my head pretty quickly and wished them luck. From tim at orerockon.com Fri Jul 13 05:32:06 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jul 13 06:05:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] WAS: Mitchell maps... now: a true book in Idaho In-Reply-To: <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200707131305.l6DD5E0l024805@bubbleator.drizzle.com> That's the Freezeout Ridge locality. I had been there many moons ago (yes from ed. 1 of Gem & Minerals Collectors' Guide to Idaho). Some of the best huckleberry picking within a day trip of Moscow will be back up the road in the saddle in a couple months. The garnets are 0.33 mi. S of the kyanite on the W side of the road. I went to the end of the road at Castle Rock and didn't do any better. The old camp past the lookout is a killer place to stay the night. At 08:33 PM 7/12/2007, you wrote: >Dan Hanks wrote: >>I too have some disappointments with the book, however... > > >I certainly agree that a lot of guide books are terrible. However I >would like to point out a great book experience I had just this morning! > >As I was taking a "vacation" and cruising around the St. Joe Forest >in north central Idaho, I was trying to find a place we had visited >on a field trip. All those dirt roads look the same. As I crested >a rise literally in the middle of nowhere, I saw a senior citizen >bent over in the road. Now where did she come from? Her husband >was in a van further up the road, I found out. She was looking for >garnets too! She gave me a little one off the ground. This wasn't >the formation I remembered, but it didn't hurt to start looking >while I was here. I drove further up the road, trying to get to a >peak called Castle Rock, but the road became too bad for my car to >take. I turned around and found some compact schist on the >roadside, which contained small garnets when hammered open, but >nothing I wanted to keep. However, when I got out and took a look >around the foundations of the former fire lookout tower, I found a >golf-ball-sized garnet in a loose, very micaceous schist. It did >not appear to come from any of the local rock, but again, the area >seemed as if it had been heavily worked and filled to make the road >passable. I saw nothing else even close to that. > >As I approached their mega-van, they were stopped in the road eating >lunch. I showed them my large garnet. Then they said they were >going to look for kyanite next; they had tried already but >failed. I scratched my head and commented that the rock around here >didn't appear that it could contain any significant kyanite. I >should also point out that the area has been metamorphosed, >intruded, folded, lifted, and scrunched, to the point where you >might find a completely different facies a few hundred feet away; >anything is possible. And so it was that they pulled out one of >Lanny Ream's books! Well I couldn't argue with that. The map was a >primitive line drawing, but it did give 1/10th mile intervals for >where the minerals would be. I told them they should just keep >eating lunch--after they let me get by--and I would go up to the >intersection, zero my odometer, and come back 0.8 mi. to where the >kyanite outcrop was supposed to be, and they could find me when they >were done. Well, it turned out the outcrop was about 30 ft. from >where they were already parked! It certainly looked like a >different rock than most of what we had seen along that road. I >tried to call Lanny for advice--I guess we weren't *that* far from >the nearest tower--but the cell signal kept breaking up. So I got >out with my tools and began to look for telltale lath-like crystals, >which I expected to be small. I think those folks had been expecting >deep blue knife-sized blades of kyanite like they had seen in rock >shops or from other sites. Well, to make the story short, I did >some exploring and found what they were looking for. By this time >they had wandered over from the van, with their granddaughter. To >our happy surprise, there were sky-blue crystals, long and thin, up >to 30mm, in one layer of the rock. I showed the granddaughter an >accordion-folded piece of rock, showed them the dip angle and the >foliation layers, and pointed out the thick, crumbly strata of dark >mica that was right below the kyanite. Fortunately the formation >was very clearly foliated and it was easy to chisel sideways into >the mica and pry off small plates of the kyanite-containing rock. I >only took a few for myself, since I am trying to off-load specimens, >not obtain them; the best piece I collected was a micro matrix >specimen of perfectly transparent, terminated, aqua blue kyanite, >perhaps 2mm long, and fantastic under the 10x loupe. My new friends >appreciated micros, but were happy to have their larger, thumbnail >sized blue beauties in white matrix. We each had a handful, which >is all any of us wanted. There are still plates of blue kyanite >crystals there to be had; unfortunately, given the remoteness of the >locality, they will probably weather out long before most of them >are collected. > >It is nice to get back to the joys of simple collecting. After a >number of years it is easy to become jaded. However this family was >excited by their find, and of course it is always great to see a >youngster having fun and appreciating the blue-on-white crystals; >and we all enjoyed the view from 6,000 ft. and a cloudless sky, with >enough heat to melt the remaining pockets of snow (!) but not enough >to be terribly hot. It always pays around here to talk to everyone >you meet; I found some nice samples I would never have known were >there, and those folks found something they knew was there but >weren't sure how to get. I've collected some opaque and translucent >white kyanite up to 5cm around here, but never the pale blue, and I >like these much more despite their size. And of course it was some >faith in Lanny's directions that made me keep looking; if it had >been any other guide book, I would have shaken my head pretty >quickly and wished them luck. > >If you want to see where we were, using TerraServer or GoogleEarth >or TopoUSA or whatever, check out some UTM coordinates: datum NAD27 >CONUS, grid 11T, Easting 0573872, Northing 5205958 . It's nice to >have specific grid coordinates, but this outcrop was really 0.8 >miles from the turnoff! > >Best, >Don > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From danhanks at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 08:21:02 2007 From: danhanks at gmail.com (Dan Hanks) Date: Fri Jul 13 08:21:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon In-Reply-To: <469700BE.7010200@iglide.net> References: <200707130100.l6D10s22029467@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <469700BE.7010200@iglide.net> Message-ID: Understood! My intention is to inspect the tailings/dumps, not the insides :-), but thanks for the warning nonetheless. I've read through the numerous dangers involved with going inside an abandoned mine and have no desire to become a permanent fixture in any hole in the ground! Probably the main mine I'm interested in locating is called the "Green Monster" (you can find more details about it by searching for it by name here: http://geology.utah.gov/databases/UMOS/send_deposit-site-name.cfm -- I'd love to take that database and plot all the mines on Google Maps or Google Earth) I spent some time last night exploring the surrounding area with Google Earth, so I think I have a pretty good idea of where it's located. I'm also interested in looking through other tailings dumps so if you have any other spots in the canyon you'd suggest investigating, I'd love to hear about them. Thanks for the help and the concern for my welfare :-) -- Dan On 7/12/07, jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: > Dan, If you are not aware, Snake Creek canyon and the surrounding > mountains are, as you say full of tunnels and mines. To my knowledge not > one of them is safe to walk ten feet into. If you want to see the mine > your great granddaddy found you might be better off to check out the > tailings but there isn't a geologist in the state that would suggest > exploring any of the mines in those hills. Most of them have been > blasted shut or are fenced seven ways from Sunday and all for a > purpose. I've collected some amazing silver and other specimens on the > tailings up Snake Creek Canyon and in the mines behind Park City. Lots > there to gather. Good luck. If I can be of assistance let me know. > > Kelly > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 13 09:11:53 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jul 13 09:11:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <223543.87765.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan Hanks wrote: name here: http://geology.utah.gov/databases/UMOS/send_deposit-site-name.cfm -- I'd love to take that database and plot all the mines on Google Maps or Google Earth) I spent some time last night exploring the surrounding area with Google Earth, so I think I have a pretty good idea of where it's located. The MAS/MILS database can be loaded, state by state, into DeLorme Street Atlas or TopoUSA, so all the localities are spotted on the map. Jim Daly --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jul 13 09:17:47 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jul 13 09:17:57 2007 Subject: (AD)RE: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon In-Reply-To: <223543.87765.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <223543.87765.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c7c569$5a54bfd0$6b01a8c0@okapi> And, of course, you can get that handy-dandy MasMils database ready to load into Your Favorite Application from ME! Text file for DeLorme PLUS a Microsoft Access database version, too! $15 PPD to my PayPal account: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com And now, back to your regularly scheduled program... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jim Daly > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:12 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon > > > > Dan Hanks wrote: name here: > http://geology.utah.gov/databases/UMOS/send_deposit-site-name.cfm > -- I'd love to take that database and plot all the mines on > Google Maps or Google Earth) I spent some time last night > exploring the surrounding area with Google Earth, so I think > I have a pretty good idea of where it's located. > > The MAS/MILS database can be loaded, state by state, into > DeLorme Street Atlas or TopoUSA, so all the localities are > spotted on the map. > Jim Daly From lehkerd at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 12:17:10 2007 From: lehkerd at gmail.com (david lehker) Date: Fri Jul 13 12:17:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] porcupine mountians collecting Message-ID: <586657cc0707131217j23e1aecem2bac7e5636371b9a@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, My wife and I are planning to leave for the porcupine mountains in upper Michigan this week end. I've been looking at all the mines listed in mindat, but wonder if anyone has first hand knowledge on any interesting places to collect. I've played in the tailing's in Keweenaw before, but don't know this area at all. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Dave --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Fri Jul 13 12:32:55 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Fri Jul 13 12:33:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite In-Reply-To: <4696939F.9080405@ncmail.net> References: <4696939F.9080405@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <039D2E6B-AD7A-4D1F-B028-949C9BA07DFB@heidelberg.edu> Mindat.org lists no localities for autunite from South Carolina. If there are any, I would guess that they're not very well known. Pete Richards On Jul 12, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Kenny Gay wrote: > Lawrence Bull wrote: > >> Hello Group: >> Does anyone out there have any idea if and where autinite might >> have come from in South Carolina? >> Thank your for any help. >> Larry Bull >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See what you?re getting into?before you go there. >> http://newlivehotmail.com >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> > Larry > If you meant North Carolina, I can provide you with several locations. > I don't know any for South Carolina. > Kenny > NC Geological Survey > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny at lrream.com Fri Jul 13 13:28:45 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Fri Jul 13 13:28:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] WAS: Mitchell maps... now: a true book in Idaho In-Reply-To: <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9fce80b3cef8b44144ed61addd4357dd@lrream.com> Wow! Fabulous report Don! But then I'm prejudiced about the subject. I'm glad the book's instructions worked for you and your new friends. I've been amused by the messages about the quality of the data in some of the field guides. The information in those I wrote was always taken from firsthand experience. Some people don't like the maps, but I've always found the simple road maps, hand drawn, copied or otherwise derived as easy to follow when I've used other people's guides, so stayed simple with mine. Also, at the time, it was the easy way of doing it. I must confess a problem though with the Freezeout location you were so successful at in following my guidebook directions. Right after I published the first edition of Vol. 1 of the Idaho guide (I don't know if you have a later edition of Vol. 1, or the combined, newer guide with both volumes 1 & 2), a friend contacted me that he could not find the kyanite location. I checked my notes against what I put in the book and all was fine (no transcribing error). The next time I was up in that area I checked the mileage and discovered that somehow, I had made a significant error in recording that 0.8 mile distance. Thus, some people are running around out there complaining about how poor the guidebooks are and there is nothing to find on the road to Freezeout, all because of an error by the well-intentioned author! Speaking of bad guidebooks: how about this: I was discussing some locations with the author of one of the Montana guidebooks about the reported forsterite at Lemhi Pass between Idaho and Montana (where Lewis & Clark crossed over into Idaho). His guidebook states that the forsterite is not gem quality, but there is a lot of it and the crystals are nice. I told him that I had looked for the material, and although I didn't spend a lot of time, I felt I should have seen at least some indication of the crystals considering "there is quite a lot of it" there. He simply stated that he had looked for it too and never found any. Many of the locations in his book are like that: apparently just stories, reports and rumors, what someone told him. Have a good summer, Lanny (author of Northwest guidebooks) On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:33 PM, DonH wrote: > Dan Hanks wrote: >> I too have some disappointments with the book, however... > > > I certainly agree that a lot of guide books are terrible. However I > would like to point out a great book experience I had just this > morning! > > As I was taking a "vacation" and cruising around the St. Joe Forest in > north central Idaho, I was trying to find a place we had visited on a > field trip. All those dirt roads look the same. As I crested a rise > literally in the middle of nowhere, I saw a senior citizen bent over > in the road. Now where did she come from? Her husband was in a van > further up the road, I found out. She was looking for garnets too! > She gave me a little one off the ground. This wasn't the formation I > remembered, but it didn't hurt to start looking while I was here. I > drove further up the road, trying to get to a peak called Castle Rock, > but the road became too bad for my car to take. I turned around and > found some compact schist on the roadside, which contained small > garnets when hammered open, but nothing I wanted to keep. However, > when I got out and took a look around the foundations of the former > fire lookout tower, I found a golf-ball-sized garnet in a loose, very > micaceous schist. It did not appear to come from any of the local > rock, but again, the area seemed as if it had been heavily worked and > filled to make the road passable. I saw nothing else even close to > that. > > As I approached their mega-van, they were stopped in the road eating > lunch. I showed them my large garnet. Then they said they were going > to look for kyanite next; they had tried already but failed. I > scratched my head and commented that the rock around here didn't > appear that it could contain any significant kyanite. I should also > point out that the area has been metamorphosed, intruded, folded, > lifted, and scrunched, to the point where you might find a completely > different facies a few hundred feet away; anything is possible. And > so it was that they pulled out one of Lanny Ream's books! Well I > couldn't argue with that. The map was a primitive line drawing, but > it did give 1/10th mile intervals for where the minerals would be. I > told them they should just keep eating lunch--after they let me get > by--and I would go up to the intersection, zero my odometer, and come > back 0.8 mi. to where the kyanite outcrop was supposed to be, and they > could find me when they were done. Well, it turned out the outcrop > was about 30 ft. from where they were already parked! It certainly > looked like a different rock than most of what we had seen along that > road. I tried to call Lanny for advice--I guess we weren't *that* far > from the nearest tower--but the cell signal kept breaking up. So I > got out with my tools and began to look for telltale lath-like > crystals, which I expected to be small. I think those folks had been > expecting deep blue knife-sized blades of kyanite like they had seen > in rock shops or from other sites. Well, to make the story short, I > did some exploring and found what they were looking for. By this time > they had wandered over from the van, with their granddaughter. To our > happy surprise, there were sky-blue crystals, long and thin, up to > 30mm, in one layer of the rock. I showed the granddaughter an > accordion-folded piece of rock, showed them the dip angle and the > foliation layers, and pointed out the thick, crumbly strata of dark > mica that was right below the kyanite. Fortunately the formation was > very clearly foliated and it was easy to chisel sideways into the mica > and pry off small plates of the kyanite-containing rock. I only took a > few for myself, since I am trying to off-load specimens, not obtain > them; the best piece I collected was a micro matrix specimen of > perfectly transparent, terminated, aqua blue kyanite, perhaps 2mm > long, and fantastic under the 10x loupe. My new friends appreciated > micros, but were happy to have their larger, thumbnail sized blue > beauties in white matrix. We each had a handful, which is all any of > us wanted. There are still plates of blue kyanite crystals there to > be had; unfortunately, given the remoteness of the locality, they will > probably weather out long before most of them are collected. > > It is nice to get back to the joys of simple collecting. After a > number of years it is easy to become jaded. However this family was > excited by their find, and of course it is always great to see a > youngster having fun and appreciating the blue-on-white crystals; and > we all enjoyed the view from 6,000 ft. and a cloudless sky, with > enough heat to melt the remaining pockets of snow (!) but not enough > to be terribly hot. It always pays around here to talk to everyone > you meet; I found some nice samples I would never have known were > there, and those folks found something they knew was there but weren't > sure how to get. I've collected some opaque and translucent white > kyanite up to 5cm around here, but never the pale blue, and I like > these much more despite their size. And of course it was some faith > in Lanny's directions that made me keep looking; if it had been any > other guide book, I would have shaken my head pretty quickly and > wished them luck. > > If you want to see where we were, using TerraServer or GoogleEarth or > TopoUSA or whatever, check out some UTM coordinates: datum NAD27 > CONUS, grid 11T, Easting 0573872, Northing 5205958 . It's nice to > have specific grid coordinates, but this outcrop was really 0.8 miles > from the turnoff! > > Best, > Don > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jul 13 14:15:24 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:16:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] WAS: Mitchell maps... now: a true book in Idaho References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001d01c7c592$f2699010$0200a8c0@Notebook> Good write-up Don! As you know, we live near Freezeout Mt. but have never quite made it up there due to snow drifts in the road even in July (been stuck twice thinking I could blast through). I'm tempted to head up there this weekend but I don't trust my transmission and really don't want to walk out in 100+ degree weather. And let me second your recommendation of Lanny Ream's guidebooks. John From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jul 13 14:51:02 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:51:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite In-Reply-To: <039D2E6B-AD7A-4D1F-B028-949C9BA07DFB@heidelberg.edu> References: <4696939F.9080405@ncmail.net> <039D2E6B-AD7A-4D1F-B028-949C9BA07DFB@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: <010c01c7c597$e8a24270$6b01a8c0@okapi> And MasMils doesn't show any on a search for "URANIUM". GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of R. > Peter Richards > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:33 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] autinite > > Mindat.org lists no localities for autunite from South > Carolina. If there are any, I would guess that they're not > very well known. > > Pete Richards... From llbullbull at hotmail.com Fri Jul 13 14:52:55 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Fri Jul 13 14:52:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite Message-ID: Thank you all for your responses regarding the autunite location in SC. I have a strong feeling that the information I got or my recording of same were not correct. I believe that the autunite most likely came from NC. Take care, Larry Bull> From: rpr@heidelberg.edu> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] autinite> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:32:55 -0400> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Mindat.org lists no localities for autunite from South Carolina. If > there are any, I would guess that they're not very well known.> > Pete Richards> > > On Jul 12, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Kenny Gay wrote:> > > Lawrence Bull wrote:> >> >> Hello Group:> >> Does anyone out there have any idea if and where autinite might > >> have come from in South Carolina?> >> Thank your for any help.> >> Larry Bull> >> _________________________________________________________________> >> See what you?re getting into?before you go there.> >> http://newlivehotmail.com> >>> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> >> multipart/alternative> >> text/plain (text body -- kept)> >> text/html> >> ---> >>> > Larry> > If you meant North Carolina, I can provide you with several locations.> > I don't know any for South Carolina.> > Kenny> > NC Geological Survey> > -- > > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > ___________________________________> R. Peter Richards> rpr@heidelberg.edu> Morphological crystallographer> > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! Find it! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jul 14 00:55:11 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jul 14 00:53:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] WAS: Mitchell maps... now: a true book in Idaho In-Reply-To: <9fce80b3cef8b44144ed61addd4357dd@lrream.com> References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> <9fce80b3cef8b44144ed61addd4357dd@lrream.com> Message-ID: <4698815F.4010302@verizon.net> Lanny wrote: Gee I didn't think it was that good. I have so little time these days, I just try to share facts when I can, and sometimes I have a little more time for the colorful details people like. > I must confess a problem though with the Freezeout location you were so > successful at in following my guidebook directions. Now I'm confused... you mean the 0.8 is wrong, or the previous edition was wrong? Because I must tell you the outcrop was RIGHT THERE as soon as the odometer turned 0.8. The funnier part of the story is that, while I was talking to them as they ate lunch, they were telling me how they were using guidebooks to find things, and they said the book had directions for kyanite but they didn't find anything, and "you know how these books have bad info." I said, "yeah a bunch of folks were just having that discussion on the rockhounds list. Let me see what it is." And then they pulled out Lanny's book, and I said, "Oh, um, I kind of know him, and I doubt it would be too wrong." Now, I looked at the page they showed me with the map, but they also said something about 5-inch, faceting-grade kyanite, which I didn't see written on that page. That's when I mentioned I hadn't seen any evidence of that kind of metamorphism around there; that isograd is some miles to the east, or so I would think. I tried calling but all I got was a staticky signal; the phone showed a tower connection, but I have no idea where it was, and it was weak. I thought it would blow their minds to realize they pulled out this book in front of a stranger who happens to know the author, and we could call him from a ridge at 6,000 ft. with nothing in sight but other mountains. But anyway, in an effort to defend Lanny's good name, I crawled all over that outcrop until I found those little blue treasures. Maybe there is another outcrop with the big ones? Or maybe they were all collected out (you know what happens when you publish a new guidebook)? Or maybe they were reading the wrong page? In any case, I sent them to Goat Mountain for the big ones... good luck with that climb. However I must tell you that these senior citizens were in fine shape and were a testament to the fact that life is full after retirement. I know that somewhere in the Freezeout area is a ridge with a sloping meadow on one side and some rocks with large garnets in them. That's what I was looking for. I also remember seeing perfectly formed, opaque garnets in matrix that just pried loose out of the rock; the trick was being able to find where they are, up a sloping hill under thick trees. [time lapse] I just remembered I have photos from last year's field trip. Tomorrow I will post pictures of giant garnets and huge kyanites with andalusites. Best, Don From jlkelly1066 at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 22:49:46 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at comcast.net (JL Kelly) Date: Sat Jul 14 11:12:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon Message-ID: <469863FA.4050502@comcast.net> Dan, I am familiar with most of the mines in the mountains around Snake Creek Canyon. At this point I don't have information about the Green Monster Mine. That is not to say that it does not exist. I will check some old records to see what I can find. Very possible that it may have been changed to a different name. Kelly From jlkelly1066 at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 22:54:37 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at comcast.net (JL Kelly) Date: Sat Jul 14 11:12:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon/Google Earth Message-ID: <4698651D.7030403@comcast.net> Jim, FYI, Snake Creek Canyon is found at N. 40'33.85" W111'32.17" Google Earth does a great job of showing many of the old mines if you know what you are looking at. Kelly From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jul 14 12:49:15 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jul 14 12:46:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] giant garnets and massive kyanite photos Message-ID: <469928BB.4070102@verizon.net> Hi, here are some photos of huge garnets and rocks rich with white kyanite and andalusite. I am trying to find these places again. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-easy-garnets.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-garnet-kyanite.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-more-garnets.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/zbig-ky-an.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/zhugegarnet.jpg From lanny at lrream.com Sat Jul 14 13:57:54 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Jul 14 13:58:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] WAS: Mitchell maps... now: a true book in Idaho In-Reply-To: <4698815F.4010302@verizon.net> References: <46905236.85.5be3.32539@iglide.net> <4696F298.1040607@verizon.net> <9fce80b3cef8b44144ed61addd4357dd@lrream.com> <4698815F.4010302@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Don, No problem with the 0.8 mile to the kyanite location. I guess I didn't write it very clearly, but in the first printing, that 0.8 mileage was given the wrong mileage figure. Thus, for those who have the first printing, they are going to have a tough time finding that kyanite area. One thing I noticed when looking at the location a few years ago was that the kyanite has become scarce. When I originally published it (1992) there were lovely blue crystals weathered out scattered all over the bare rock and bare ground areas. A few years ago, those were mostly gone and it took a lot more looking to find any loose to pick up. It was better looking for them in the rock. That would have been kind of cool if you had reached me on the phone when you were up there. Five inch kyanite crystals? Not in my books. Not yet anyway, but they will be in the 3rd edition of Idaho Minerals. As you mention below, they are that large along Goat Mtn. However, they are not facet quality, and the large crystals are mostly white. Although I must confess, I've never climbed up onto the upper area of Goat Mtn. and don't know what's in the rocks up there. I'm interested in your large garnet area, hope you figure it out. Except for the small crystals along the road in the area near the kyanite and to the south, and the large crystals in the outcrop where people dig south of the kyanite, I don't know of any outcrops in the trees around Freezeout with large garnets. Sounds like a great field trip though, but right now I'm hiding from the heat, 100 degree temperatures aren't too attractive. How's that nasty mud hole on the road to Goat Mtn.? Regards, Lanny On Jul 14, 2007, at 12:55 AM, DonH wrote: > Lanny wrote: > > > Gee I didn't think it was that good. I have so little time these > days, I just try to share facts when I can, and sometimes I have a > little more time for the colorful details people like. > >> I must confess a problem though with the Freezeout location you were >> so successful at in following my guidebook directions. > > Now I'm confused... you mean the 0.8 is wrong, or the previous edition > was wrong? Because I must tell you the outcrop was RIGHT THERE as > soon as the odometer turned 0.8. > > The funnier part of the story is that, while I was talking to them as > they ate lunch, they were telling me how they were using guidebooks to > find things, and they said the book had directions for kyanite but > they didn't find anything, and "you know how these books have bad > info." I said, "yeah a bunch of folks were just having that > discussion on the rockhounds list. Let me see what it is." And then > they pulled out Lanny's book, and I said, "Oh, um, I kind of know him, > and I doubt it would be too wrong." Now, I looked at the page they > showed me with the map, but they also said something about 5-inch, > faceting-grade kyanite, which I didn't see written on that page. > That's when I mentioned I hadn't seen any evidence of that kind of > metamorphism around there; that isograd is some miles to the east, or > so I would think. I tried calling but all I got was a staticky > signal; the phone showed a tower connection, but I have no idea where > it was, and it was weak. I thought it would blow their minds to > realize they pulled out this book in front of a stranger who happens > to know the author, and we could call him from a ridge at 6,000 ft. > with nothing in sight but other mountains. But anyway, in an effort > to defend Lanny's good name, I crawled all over that outcrop until I > found those little blue treasures. Maybe there is another outcrop > with the big ones? Or maybe they were all collected out (you know > what happens when you publish a new guidebook)? Or maybe they were > reading the wrong page? In any case, I sent them to Goat Mountain for > the big ones... good luck with that climb. However I must tell you > that these senior citizens were in fine shape and were a testament to > the fact that life is full after retirement. > > I know that somewhere in the Freezeout area is a ridge with a sloping > meadow on one side and some rocks with large garnets in them. That's > what I was looking for. I also remember seeing perfectly formed, > opaque garnets in matrix that just pried loose out of the rock; the > trick was being able to find where they are, up a sloping hill under > thick trees. > > [time lapse] I just remembered I have photos from last year's field > trip. Tomorrow I will post pictures of giant garnets and huge > kyanites with andalusites. > > > Best, > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From lanny at lrream.com Sat Jul 14 16:49:03 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sat Jul 14 16:49:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] giant garnets and massive kyanite photos In-Reply-To: <469928BB.4070102@verizon.net> References: <469928BB.4070102@verizon.net> Message-ID: <813d690aac71c33dd3523f69485c526c@lrream.com> Hi Don and all those interested, For those who may be lost, these garnet and kyanite locations are east of Clarkia, Idaho up on the St. Joe River-Clearwater River divide. On Jul 14, 2007, at 12:49 PM, DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > here are some photos of huge garnets and rocks rich with white kyanite > and andalusite. I am trying to find these places again. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-easy-garnets.jpg > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-garnet-kyanite.jpg The above two are similar to some I've seen, but I would have to search a lot of notes to find them for sure. There is similar stuff along the Goat Mtn. road and over towards Moses Butte. (See note below the kyanite photo). > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-more-garnets.jpg This looks like stuff along the Goat Mtn. road to the north, closer to the 301 road. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/zbig-ky-an.jpg Looks like the kyanite along the road just north of Goat Mtn. Outcrops on the grassy slopes, above and below the road. Lots of single crystals weathered out, lying in the road. Just north of this (I think, it might be south) there is a stretch of road with the rounded 1 inch garnet crystals lying in groups in all the little rills and gullies of the road. Thus they msut be in the rocks above the road, but I've never bothered to climb around and look (getting tired of the rounded garnets, where are the euhedral crystals?). > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/zhugegarnet.jpg Looks like the rounded garnets on the hip of the south side of Moses Butte. The rounded crystals here can be found in the rock and loose on the surface-up to bowling ball size. There are a few hundred square miles of metamorphics in this area, all the way to Montana with garnets, kyanite, staurolite. In a few places, the crystals are sharp and very nice, in most areas the garnets are rounded and sugary. Several areas in the Freezeout to Goat Mtn. to Moses Butte you can pick up the rounded to occasionally sharp crystals lying in the road. This is why those of us in this area keep going back and trying it again. Regards, Lanny > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jul 14 17:11:24 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jul 14 17:08:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] giant garnets and massive kyanite photos In-Reply-To: <813d690aac71c33dd3523f69485c526c@lrream.com> References: <469928BB.4070102@verizon.net> <813d690aac71c33dd3523f69485c526c@lrream.com> Message-ID: <4699662C.9010508@verizon.net> Lanny wrote: >> http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-easy-garnets.jpg >> Ask and you shall receive. If you look carefully, these have two zones: a rounded, crumbly outer core that is not in equilibrium with the host rock, and a perfectly euhedral inner core of opaque but usually crisp-faced garnet, up to 3-4 cm, but usually 1-3 cm. These could be used in crystallography class to teach morphology. They look faceted. The outcrop is found in a thickly grown section of forest, up a hill about 30-40 meters. Frankly I don't know how the professor knew where to stop. But then again, on the trail up to the top of Goat Mtn., the kyanite-in isograd appears, and small white kyanites are found. A prize is given to the first student who finds a kyanite and IDs the gradient where it appears. As we are told later, there is also a K carved into a tree to mark the spot. Don From jeanne at jeannius.com Sat Jul 14 17:13:01 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Sat Jul 14 17:13:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ metalic inclusions Message-ID: <4699668D.2010100@jeannius.com> Got it in the mail today...take a look at http://www.creativecabs.com/redagate/ for more detailed images Jeanne -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***http://www.jeannius.com* --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jul 14 18:22:42 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jul 14 18:20:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] inside the monster: a slice of golf-ball garnet photo In-Reply-To: <4699662C.9010508@verizon.net> References: <469928BB.4070102@verizon.net> <813d690aac71c33dd3523f69485c526c@lrream.com> <4699662C.9010508@verizon.net> Message-ID: <469976E2.3050005@verizon.net> Howdy again, I made the difficult decision to cut the golf-ball sized garnet I found and described. It was a good descision. I could have trimmed off the schist and picked off the crust, but it would have been a much smaller specimen and opaque anyway. This will be cool when polished. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-garnetslice.JPG Actual size of garnet, 5 cm. Note the reaction rim around it, especially visible on the left and right side. Note also the folding of the matrix. If you look carefully at the right side you can see the distinct crystal faces and the interfacial angle of the core. Sorry I didn't have more time to finish polishing it or set up a better photo. More than the fact that I found it--which was dumb luck--I am proud that I pushed the 5" trim saw beyond its limits again, spray shield off, working blind with fluid on the safety glasses and on my hair and face, without losing the specimen or making a really bad cut. Photo: Nikon Coolpix 5000, close-up mode with flash, HI quality file, outdoors on wet specimen. Photo cropped, re-sized, enhanced for brightness, and converted from TIF to JPG. I should get back to school work. Don From Rocks4u at prodigy.net Sat Jul 14 19:24:07 2007 From: Rocks4u at prodigy.net (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Sat Jul 14 19:23:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ metalicinclusions In-Reply-To: <4699668D.2010100@jeannius.com> References: <4699668D.2010100@jeannius.com> Message-ID: It certainly looks like agate from the Big Diggings claim in Deming, NM. I have some just like it. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ metalicinclusions > Got it in the mail today...take a look at > http://www.creativecabs.com/redagate/ for more detailed images > > Jeanne > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ***http://www.jeannius.com* > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Jul 14 19:29:46 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Jul 14 19:29:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ metalicinclusions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <63153.17208.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wes, was that from Rock Hound National Park, Deming, NM Thanks, Teri J --- Wes Lingerfelt wrote: > It certainly looks like agate from the Big Diggings > claim in Deming, NM. I > have some just like it. > Cheers! > Wes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:13 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery > red agate w/ > metalicinclusions > > > > Got it in the mail today...take a look at > > http://www.creativecabs.com/redagate/ for more > detailed images > > > > Jeanne > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ***http://www.jeannius.com* > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jeanne at jeannius.com Sat Jul 14 19:30:02 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Sat Jul 14 19:30:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ metalicinclusions In-Reply-To: References: <4699668D.2010100@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <469986AA.4070304@jeannius.com> do you know what the metallic inclusions are? hematite or something else? Jeanne Wes Lingerfelt wrote: > It certainly looks like agate from the Big Diggings claim in Deming, > NM. I have some just like it. > Cheers! > Wes > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:13 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ > metalicinclusions > > >> Got it in the mail today...take a look at >> http://www.creativecabs.com/redagate/ for more detailed images >> >> Jeanne >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ***http://www.jeannius.com* >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From danhanks at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 19:52:01 2007 From: danhanks at gmail.com (Dan Hanks) Date: Sat Jul 14 19:52:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snake Creek Canyon In-Reply-To: <469863FA.4050502@comcast.net> References: <469863FA.4050502@comcast.net> Message-ID: According to the Utah GS database I looked at, a mine by the name of the Green Monster is found at 40? 34.28'N, 111? 34.70'W. >From one source, a biographical novel written by a son of my g-grandpa, we read, (He indicates he is quoting from an old newspaper article (uncited)) "He walked over into what is now the Park City mining district and chipped a few chunks of rock off an outcropping. The stuff showed high value in silver and lead, and Eph Hanks organized a company. The claim was called 'The Green Monster'" This newspaper article also makes the claim that "Eph Hanks was the father of Park City. The success of the Green Monster was noised abroad and location followed location in rapid order." >From another source, a biographical account from a grandson of Eph Hanks, (who worked in a mine on Mt. Nebo until he lost his hands and eyesight in an explosion), we read "Hanks discovered the old Pinion mine, which is now known as the Alliance, in Park City. James Lindsay helped dig and sack the pockets of silver and lead, which, if not the first, were among the first metals marketed from Park City district." I have seen an "Alliance" mine on some maps, it's also in the Utah GS database, so may need to research the history of that one as well. An article in the Salt Lake Mining Review, 15 Aug, 1924, p.15 gives a short sketch of the development of mining in Park City, by Paul H. Hunt which originally appeared in the Park Record newspaper. A reader, W. I. Snyder, (VP of the Tintic Standard Company) responded to that article, writing in correction, "The first discovery of mineral in the Park City district was the Green Monster, a little bunch of copper standing up on top of the hill, which afterwards formed a part of the Pinyon, and later the Crescent, and now the Silver King Coalition. That little bunch of copper ore is there still, and can be seen. That discovery was made by Ephraim Hanks and Louis Simmons, and was located under the law of '66 with fourteen locators . . ." Reading through the rest of the article it indicates the Pinyon mine came to cover the Green Monster. The Green Monster listed in the Utah GS database is definitely not at the top of the hill, so perhaps is a different mine. Tying this all together will probably take some more research. Fun stuff. FWIW, -- Dan On 7/13/07, JL Kelly wrote: > Dan, > > I am familiar with most of the mines in the mountains around Snake Creek > Canyon. At this point I don't have information about the Green Monster > Mine. That is not to say that it does not exist. I will check some old > records to see what I can find. Very possible that it may have been > changed to a different name. > > Kelly > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Rocks4u at prodigy.net Sat Jul 14 20:33:34 2007 From: Rocks4u at prodigy.net (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Sat Jul 14 20:33:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agatew/ metalicinclusions In-Reply-To: <469986AA.4070304@jeannius.com> References: <4699668D.2010100@jeannius.com> <469986AA.4070304@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <9B068CC72B7D4FF98BF4534E0AD761ED@WesLingerfelPC> I'm not sure but my guess would be Hematite. That area down there is a rockhounds dream. Check this out http://www.peaktopeak.com/njeffco/2006/deming/de06_rep.php Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agatew/ metalicinclusions > do you know what the metallic inclusions are? hematite or something else? > > Jeanne > > Wes Lingerfelt wrote: >> It certainly looks like agate from the Big Diggings claim in Deming, NM. >> I have some just like it. >> Cheers! >> Wes >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" >> >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:13 PM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/ >> metalicinclusions >> >> >>> Got it in the mail today...take a look at >>> http://www.creativecabs.com/redagate/ for more detailed images >>> >>> Jeanne >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ***http://www.jeannius.com* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* > > *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* > > *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* > > *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* > > *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* > > *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Rocks4u at prodigy.net Sat Jul 14 20:42:03 2007 From: Rocks4u at prodigy.net (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Sat Jul 14 20:41:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/metalicinclusions In-Reply-To: <63153.17208.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <63153.17208.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8683AB8C698947728A6504739B7CCF51@WesLingerfelPC> No! I was a member of the Deming club when Earl Hopwood was alive back in the 80's & early 90's. Earl and I did some digging at the Club's claim called Big Diggings several miles outside of Deming to the Southwest if I can recall. It's been too long and it's getting fuzzy these days. Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa jetter" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery red agate w/metalicinclusions > Wes, was that from Rock Hound National Park, Deming, > NM > Thanks, > Teri J > --- Wes Lingerfelt wrote: > >> It certainly looks like agate from the Big Diggings >> claim in Deming, NM. I >> have some just like it. >> Cheers! >> Wes >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock >> and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 5:13 PM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] better image of that mystery >> red agate w/ >> metalicinclusions >> >> >> > Got it in the mail today...take a look at >> > http://www.creativecabs.com/redagate/ for more >> detailed images >> > >> > Jeanne >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > ***http://www.jeannius.com* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> > multipart/alternative >> > text/plain (text body -- kept) >> > text/html >> > --- >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > Subscription Services: >> > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lanny at lrream.com Sun Jul 15 09:31:43 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Jul 15 09:31:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] giant garnets and massive kyanite photos In-Reply-To: <4699662C.9010508@verizon.net> References: <469928BB.4070102@verizon.net> <813d690aac71c33dd3523f69485c526c@lrream.com> <4699662C.9010508@verizon.net> Message-ID: <38880461b7250b8b43d6ccbed296bff3@lrream.com> Hi Don, Yes, I have a very nice specimen of that type of garnet with about half of the well formed crystal free of the matrix and showing the rim around the portion in the matrix. Although, I don't know exactly where that specimen came from, a friend gave it to me. Those like that that I've found haven't had as sharp a separation between the two zones and they don't break out with the good form showing. Yet, they still look good in the rock, as in your photo. Any way you look at it, that region is a blast if you like to run around in the mountains and look at metamorphic minerals. Any time anyone is driving around up there, they should regularly stop and look in the road, there are many areas with garnet or kyanite crystals in the road, even if the forest covers the rocks. Regards, Lanny On Jul 14, 2007, at 5:11 PM, DonH wrote: > Lanny wrote: > >>> http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/z-easy-garnets.jpg >>> > > Ask and you shall receive. If you look carefully, these have two > zones: a rounded, crumbly outer core that is not in equilibrium with > the host rock, and a perfectly euhedral inner core of opaque but > usually crisp-faced garnet, up to 3-4 cm, but usually 1-3 cm. These > could be used in crystallography class to teach morphology. They look > faceted. The outcrop is found in a thickly grown section of forest, up > a hill about 30-40 meters. Frankly I don't know how the professor > knew where to stop. > > But then again, on the trail up to the top of Goat Mtn., the > kyanite-in isograd appears, and small white kyanites are found. A > prize is given to the first student who finds a kyanite and IDs the > gradient where it appears. As we are told later, there is also a K > carved into a tree to mark the spot. > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sun Jul 15 12:44:46 2007 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sun Jul 15 12:45:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite Message-ID: <380-220077015194446437@earthlink.net> Larry, I live in South Carolina and don't remember hearing of autinite coming from any locality in South Carolina of which I am familiar. Of course, I could be wrong. Mark in Charleston, SC > [Original Message] > From: Lawrence Bull > To: Rockhounds > Date: 7/12/2007 4:30:03 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] autinite > > > Hello Group: > > Does anyone out there have any idea if and where autinite might have come from in South Carolina? > > Thank your for any help. > > Larry Bull > _________________________________________________________________ > See what you’re getting into…before you go there. > http://newlivehotmail.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Jul 15 17:02:46 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Jul 15 17:02:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] seeing a rock in space Message-ID: <008901c7c73c$a3d2e0e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Another 'Comet Linear' is up right now near the end of the handle of the Big Dipper. Go to any number of comet watcher web sites to get a chart. I saw it last night and it is bright enough to be visible in binoculars. It is about as close to Earth as it is going to get and probably won't get any brighter than it already is. Also saw a couple of nice bright meteors, but they didn't make it down to become part of my rock collection. Perseids ought to be real good next month, with a new moon when they peak. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jul 15 20:52:26 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jul 15 20:52:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Green and Red In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/9/07, Robert Denton wrote: > Possibly Mecury. Cheers > My xperiences with ore containing mecury is it is very heavy. That stuff in Goldfied is about as exciting as an old brick. I've found a few interesting pieces laying around the site but I don't think there's much left. Maybe if somebody took a D 9 out there and opened some more ground they would find some more good stuff but most has been hauled away. Grant From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jul 15 21:02:43 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jul 15 21:02:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation In-Reply-To: <3524167.1184009398957.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3524167.1184009398957.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: It worked OK for me but my first computer in 1986, It was an AT&T with 624 k of ram and a 20 mb hard drive. I have no idea how a newbe can get a computer, go online, and do anything. However, if they can do that, Tim's site will work for them. Grant On 7/9/07, Cliff Jackson wrote: > Timm > I found it easy to use. In addition there is a table of the locations encluded witch can be loaded into my Delorme mapping softwear. > > >Honest Evaluation > > > >I am thinking about purchasing Tim Fishers 4.0 or 4.1 CD. I have read his website and it looks great. > > > Cliff Jackson > Las Vegas > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jul 15 22:01:34 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jul 15 21:58:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky feldpsar and micro kyanite photos Message-ID: <469AFBAE.3020805@verizon.net> Howdy, This is what happens when the earth has a bad tummy and hurls up before the magma is properly digested. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/messy-feldspar.jpg I was looking for nice clean feldspars to analyze and came across this in a thin section. These complex crystals are all around us, often in road gravel, but must be seen under magnification and with crossed polarizers. This is a wonderful mix of minerals but all the inclusions and lack of equilibrium mean there is no way I can analyze the crystal and get anything meaningful. Scope: Meiji RZ with ring light with Nikon Coolpix 5000 on trinoc with Leitz Periplan 10x/18 eyepiece; closeup mode with FINE detail; thin section between crossed polarizers, width of xtal ~3mm. This shot makes me miss film. It looked good on the preview monitor, but the white balance was all screwed up when I viewed the photo, and this was the best correction I could do in a few minutes. You can see the shape well, but the color is a little washed out and the highlights are too bright. Same setup, mag. 50x, with iris stopped down to enhance depth of field. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/tiny-kyanite.jpg Don From tim at orerockon.com Mon Jul 16 06:15:32 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jul 16 06:12:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation In-Reply-To: References: <3524167.1184009398957.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200707161312.l6GDC4uL009488@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Wow! 20 megs! I am so jealous! Mine was $250 EXTRA and was only 10Mb! :) But my screen had CGA graphics! Whoo hoo! At 09:02 PM 7/15/2007, you wrote: >It worked OK for me but my first computer in 1986, It was an AT&T with >624 k of ram and a 20 mb hard drive. I have no idea how a newbe can >get a computer, go online, and do anything. However, if they can do >that, Tim's site will work for them. > >Grant Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 07:13:01 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jul 16 07:13:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found Message-ID: FYI: BK -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 07:15:02 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jul 16 07:15:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minnesota remnant from Sudbury found Message-ID: Whoops should be Minnesota not Michigan...LOL "A meteorite that slammed into Earth 1.85 billion years ago at the present site of Sudbury, Ontario, is now making news 500 miles away in northeastern Minnesota." FYI: BK From kugeln at msn.com Mon Jul 16 10:16:48 2007 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Mon Jul 16 10:16:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found References: Message-ID: MICHIGAN!? ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:13 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > FYI: > > > > BK > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 13:39:25 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jul 16 13:39:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michigan...Minnesota...whats the difference, they both start with 'M' and are up north aren't they? BK On 7/16/07, John Stockwell wrote: > MICHIGAN!? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:13 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > > > > FYI: > > > > > > > > BK > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jul 16 17:48:48 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jul 16 17:48:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation Message-ID: Our first was a Radio Shack TRS80+....the + meant we had 16Kb...4 times the original plain old TRS80...around 1980. LOL!!! Glenn >> From: tim@orerockon.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation> > Wow! 20 megs! I am so jealous! Mine was $250 EXTRA and was only 10Mb! > :) But my screen had CGA graphics! Whoo hoo!> > At 09:02 PM 7/15/2007, you wrote:> >It worked OK for me but my first computer in 1986, It was an AT&T with> >624 k of ram and a 20 mb hard drive. I have no idea how a newbe can> >get a computer, go online, and do anything. However, if they can do> >that, Tim's site will work for them.> >> >Grant> _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!?? http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlmailtextlink --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Jul 16 18:09:54 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Jul 16 18:09:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found Message-ID: I think they're close to those palm tree shaped puddles. LOL! Glenn > From: codeburner@gmail.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Michigan...Minnesota...whats the difference, they both start with 'M'> and are up north aren't they?> > BK _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into?before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Mon Jul 16 19:28:18 2007 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Jul 16 19:28:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Record Oregon sunstone found? Message-ID: Kids, I read an article in the Oregonian newspaper yesterday about a record 1096? carat sunstone found at the Dust Devil mine I think by a guy from Idaho. Of course I recycled that paper yesterday and I can't find the article on Oregonlive.com. Has anyone else heard about this? The picture was black and white, but you could tell it was red in the center in it looked to fill the guys palm! Wish it was me holding that thing! Dawn From tim at orerockon.com Mon Jul 16 21:48:56 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jul 16 21:45:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Record Oregon sunstone found? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200707170445.l6H4jORQ027828@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Yes, it was found at the Dust Devil by a digger last week. It is surely the largest single facetable stone I have seen from the mine. It apparently came from a giant fractured crystal (virtually all of them are). Terry Ensell saw it right after he dug it but I don't think he took a pic. The color was maybe A- grade (I haven't seen a single AAA red stone come from the area for several years now). But, there could be larger schiller or straw-colored stones from the same general locality, and surely are elsewhere. There are very large sunstone crystals near Spencer ID (actually just over the border in WY). There are also very large single red stones coming from the Ponderosa mine about 100 miles NE of Plush. I would call it the largest single red sunstone crystal known from the Rabbit Hills area deposits. At 07:28 PM 7/16/2007, you wrote: >Kids, > >I read an article in the Oregonian newspaper yesterday about a >record 1096? carat sunstone found at the Dust Devil mine I think by >a guy from Idaho. Of course I recycled that paper yesterday and I >can't find the article on Oregonlive.com. Has anyone else heard >about this? The picture was black and white, but you could tell it >was red in the center in it looked to fill the guys palm! > >Wish it was me holding that thing! > >Dawn Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 17 07:01:00 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Jul 17 07:01:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist Message-ID: <003701c7c87a$e814c8b0$c0dc2c4b@LarryRush> List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any "blue schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a finely divided kyanite schist. Can anyone help her? Larry Rush From: Subject: Blue schist Dear Sir, I am a college student in Pensacola, Florida and I am taking an Earth Science course in summer school. My professor is a wonderful woman and I am enjoying her class immensely!! I am older, in fact close to sixty years old, and I seem to take these things more serious than a lot of the younger students. My question to you is, would it be possible for me to obtain a sample of blue schist? My professor has expressed a deep desire to have a sample of it and I would like to surprise her with it. I found your site on the internet was hoping to find a sample for sale there. If you do not have any, could you direct me to somewhere else that might have that item. Sincerely, Barbara Bartick Pensacola, Florida --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 17 07:05:38 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Jul 17 07:05:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist Message-ID: <004201c7c87b$8e310ba0$c0dc2c4b@LarryRush> List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any "blue schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a finely divided kyanite schist. Can anyone help her? Larry Rush From: Subject: Blue schist Dear Sir, I am a college student in Pensacola, Florida and I am taking an Earth Science course in summer school. My professor is a wonderful woman and I am enjoying her class immensely!! I am older, in fact close to sixty years old, and I seem to take these things more serious than a lot of the younger students. My question to you is, would it be possible for me to obtain a sample of blue schist? My professor has expressed a deep desire to have a sample of it and I would like to surprise her with it. I found your site on the internet was hoping to find a sample for sale there. If you do not have any, could you direct me to somewhere else that might have that item. Sincerely, Barbara Bartick Pensacola, Florida --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mrmanon at umich.edu Tue Jul 17 07:16:16 2007 From: mrmanon at umich.edu (Matthew Manon) Date: Tue Jul 17 07:17:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist In-Reply-To: <004201c7c87b$8e310ba0$c0dc2c4b@LarryRush> References: <004201c7c87b$8e310ba0$c0dc2c4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueschist On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Lawrence Rush wrote: > List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any > "blue schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a > finely divided kyanite schist. Can anyone help her? > > Larry Rush > > > From: > Subject: Blue schist > > > Dear Sir, > > I am a college student in Pensacola, Florida and I am taking an > Earth Science course in summer school. My professor is a wonderful > woman and I am enjoying her class immensely!! > I am older, in fact close to sixty years old, and I seem to take > these things more serious than a lot of the younger students. > My question to you is, would it be possible for me to obtain a > sample of blue schist? My professor has expressed a deep desire to > have a sample of it and I would like to surprise her with it. > I found your site on the internet was hoping to find a sample for > sale there. If you do not have any, could you direct me to > somewhere else that might have that item. > Sincerely, > > Barbara Bartick > Pensacola, Florida > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jul 17 07:22:44 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 17 07:22:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist Message-ID: Hi Larry, I'll give an answer. Blueschist (it's usually written as one word) actually refers to a particular kind of metamorphic rock, glaucophane schist. This contains the mineral glaucophane, which is actually kind of a bluish-purple. It's found in areas such as coastal northern California--the Franciscan Formation. Someone who lives in the S.F. Bay area and knows about local geologic sites would probably know how to obtain a specimen. It's not really noted for good crystals, just a somewhat unusual grayish-bluish-purplish rock that is of interest to geologists. Glaucophane schist occurs in metamorphic rocks that form in a somewhat unusual environment of high pressures and relatively low temperatures; in zones of plate collision and subduction (e.g., California!). Pete Modreski In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:06:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any "blue schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a finely divided kyanite schist. Can anyone help her? Larry Rush ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Tue Jul 17 07:58:00 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 17 07:58:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist Message-ID: Hi. I have a specimen of Deerite, from the Laytonville quarry, Mendocino Co, Calif. It is in a dark bluish schist that seems to fit your mineral's description. It was formed at a Jurassic, I think, subduction area, high pressure, low temp. good luck with the search Steve Kelland ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Rocks4u at prodigy.net Tue Jul 17 08:07:38 2007 From: Rocks4u at prodigy.net (Wes Lingerfelt) Date: Tue Jul 17 08:06:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4127A901B935440D8821410BDEF338FB@WesLingerfelPC> Pete, I believe the California State Gem (Benitoite) is found in the Blueschist host rock of the Clear Creek BLM Management Area of Central California. Cheers! Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist > > Hi Larry, > > I'll give an answer. Blueschist (it's usually written as one word) > actually > refers to a particular kind of metamorphic rock, glaucophane schist. > This > contains the mineral glaucophane, which is actually kind of a > bluish-purple. > It's found in areas such as coastal northern California--the Franciscan > Formation. Someone who lives in the S.F. Bay area and knows about local > geologic > sites would probably know how to obtain a specimen. > > It's not really noted for good crystals, just a somewhat unusual > grayish-bluish-purplish rock that is of interest to geologists. > Glaucophane schist > occurs in metamorphic rocks that form in a somewhat unusual environment > of high > pressures and relatively low temperatures; in zones of plate collision > and > subduction (e.g., California!). > > Pete Modreski > > > > In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:06:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: > > List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any "blue > schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a finely divided > kyanite > schist. Can anyone help her? > > Larry Rush > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kugeln at msn.com Tue Jul 17 10:39:40 2007 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Tue Jul 17 10:39:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist References: Message-ID: Adding to Pete's description/explanation, the term "blueschist," although glaucophane schist is the actual rock called by that name, is a metamorphic facies term, so we speak of "blueschist metamorphism," describing certain PT conditions. So not all "blueschist" rocks are glaucophane schists. I was up at Jenner, CA two weeks ago searching for eclogite. Jenner is one of the "classic" localities for both rocks. I came back with blueschist (glaucophane schist) containing traces of eclogite (garnet and omphacite). The glaucophane schist itself is shot through with tiny garnets. There are one or two other mineral components, unidentified as yet, but no doubt from among the few commonly associated with blueschist. I'll email the young lady. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist > > Hi Larry, > > I'll give an answer. Blueschist (it's usually written as one word) > actually > refers to a particular kind of metamorphic rock, glaucophane schist. > This > contains the mineral glaucophane, which is actually kind of a > bluish-purple. > It's found in areas such as coastal northern California--the Franciscan > Formation. Someone who lives in the S.F. Bay area and knows about local > geologic > sites would probably know how to obtain a specimen. > > It's not really noted for good crystals, just a somewhat unusual > grayish-bluish-purplish rock that is of interest to geologists. > Glaucophane schist > occurs in metamorphic rocks that form in a somewhat unusual environment > of high > pressures and relatively low temperatures; in zones of plate collision > and > subduction (e.g., California!). > > Pete Modreski > > > > In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:06:19 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: > > List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any "blue > schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a finely divided > kyanite > schist. Can anyone help her? > > Larry Rush > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gene at fossilnut.com Tue Jul 17 14:55:27 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Tue Jul 17 14:55:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist References: <004201c7c87b$8e310ba0$c0dc2c4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <004101c7c8bd$30c528b0$0401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> We have a load of Blue Gneiss here but not schist. Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist List: I received this from a student in Fla. I don't know of any "blue schist", the only thing that comes to mind is possibly a finely divided kyanite schist. Can anyone help her? Larry Rush From: Subject: Blue schist Dear Sir, I am a college student in Pensacola, Florida and I am taking an Earth Science course in summer school. My professor is a wonderful woman and I am enjoying her class immensely!! I am older, in fact close to sixty years old, and I seem to take these things more serious than a lot of the younger students. My question to you is, would it be possible for me to obtain a sample of blue schist? My professor has expressed a deep desire to have a sample of it and I would like to surprise her with it. I found your site on the internet was hoping to find a sample for sale there. If you do not have any, could you direct me to somewhere else that might have that item. Sincerely, Barbara Bartick Pensacola, Florida --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jul 17 18:45:15 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jul 17 18:45:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] signing off for a while Message-ID: <00a401c7c8dd$4a572060$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Heading to Kitty's neck of the woods for 10 days and am unsubscribing from the list. Nothing personal, I just don't want to have 500 e-mails waiting for me when I return! I will have "deletions" of grandeur as it is! Alan G. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jul 17 22:00:36 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jul 17 21:58:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] seek info on Ponderosa sunstone mine, OR In-Reply-To: <469AFBAE.3020805@verizon.net> References: <469AFBAE.3020805@verizon.net> Message-ID: <469D9E74.8070401@verizon.net> Hi all, I have been trying to reach the contacts for the Ponderosa mine as listed on the net, but cannot reach anyone on the phone and my e-mail is unreturned. If anyone has a "back door" contact, I'd appreciate it. best, Don From dbomke at insightbb.com Thu Jul 19 20:48:52 2007 From: dbomke at insightbb.com (dbomke) Date: Thu Jul 19 20:49:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Locations Near Champion, Michigan References: Message-ID: <002e01c7ca80$e6b7d360$9ae3874a@D5K94V21> Next month I am going up to the UP of Michigan for the Copper Country Retreat and Field Trips. I want to spend a day looking around the Republic/Champion/Michigamme area. I have found several sources with general descriptions of mines and other locations, but was wondering if anyone has any specific details - specific locations/directions, GPS coordinates, which locations are actually available to collect (either on public land or where permission is obtainable), what types of minerals can be found at those locations, etc. Thanks in advance for all assistance. Dennis From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Jul 19 22:04:29 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jul 19 21:33:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found References: Message-ID: <46A03B06.1501@Tomaszewski.net> As a Nichigan resident I can assure you that Minnesota is a lot colder in the Winter since it is upwind of Lake Michigan. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Michigan...Minnesota...whats the difference, they both start with 'M' > and are up north aren't they? > > BK > > On 7/16/07, John Stockwell wrote: > > MICHIGAN!? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:13 AM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > > > > > > > FYI: > > > > > > > > > > > > BK > > > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 20 06:24:01 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Jul 20 06:24:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Locations Near Champion, Michigan In-Reply-To: <002e01c7ca80$e6b7d360$9ae3874a@D5K94V21> Message-ID: <94921.34971.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the weekend before the Copper Country Retreat there's the Ishpeming Club show. They have field trips on Friday and Sunday. The Sunday trip is always to the Lindberg Quarry for Kona Dolomite. There are directions to the Champion mine and the Michigamme mine on my website, www.sauktown.com Folloe the "field trips" link. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales dbomke wrote: Next month I am going up to the UP of Michigan for the Copper Country Retreat and Field Trips. I want to spend a day looking around the Republic/Champion/Michigamme area. I have found several sources with general descriptions of mines and other locations, but was wondering if anyone has any specific details - specific locations/directions, GPS coordinates, which locations are actually available to collect (either on public land or where permission is obtainable), what types of minerals can be found at those locations, etc. Thanks in advance for all assistance. Dennis -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jul 20 07:46:34 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jul 20 07:46:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota / Wyoming Trip In-Reply-To: <002e01c7ca80$e6b7d360$9ae3874a@D5K94V21> References: <002e01c7ca80$e6b7d360$9ae3874a@D5K94V21> Message-ID: <007401c7cadc$c5a0e3e0$6b01a8c0@okapi> The Dot and I are taking a little one week trip out west. Saint Paul - Rapid City SD (Black Hills)- Thermopolis WY - Billings MT - Saint Paul. Any collecting / rock shop suggestions? I went to SD Tech back in 68-72, so all my "local knowledge" is WAY out of date. BTW... I'm going to bring a BUNCH of Sterling Hill UV material with me along with a bunch of my MasMils/PLUS disks. Anyone along the way interested in some trades? Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Jul 20 08:00:19 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Jul 20 08:00:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota / Wyoming Trip In-Reply-To: <007401c7cadc$c5a0e3e0$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <000801c7cade$b359b660$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> The hot springs at Thermopolis are well worth a stop. I'm not sure I'd go for a swim there in July (hot, crowded, much better in snowy weather), but the deposits are fascinating to view and photograph. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:47 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota / Wyoming Trip The Dot and I are taking a little one week trip out west. Saint Paul - Rapid City SD (Black Hills)- Thermopolis WY - Billings MT - Saint Paul. Any collecting / rock shop suggestions? I went to SD Tech back in 68-72, so all my "local knowledge" is WAY out of date. BTW... I'm going to bring a BUNCH of Sterling Hill UV material with me along with a bunch of my MasMils/PLUS disks. Anyone along the way interested in some trades? Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From kugeln at msn.com Fri Jul 20 09:10:27 2007 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Fri Jul 20 09:10:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found References: <46A03B06.1501@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Where's Nichigan? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > As a Nichigan resident I can assure you that Minnesota is a lot colder > in the Winter since it is upwind of Lake Michigan. > > Kreigh > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: >> >> Michigan...Minnesota...whats the difference, they both start with 'M' >> and are up north aren't they? >> >> BK >> >> On 7/16/07, John Stockwell wrote: >> > MICHIGAN!? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "J Bryan Kramer" >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> > collectors" >> > >> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:13 AM >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found >> > >> > >> > > FYI: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > BK >> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From nospam at orerockon.com Fri Jul 20 09:55:22 2007 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jul 20 09:51:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone Message-ID: <200707201651.l6KGpqq0016654@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Here are Terry Ensell's pics of the big red sunstone found at the Dust Devil 2 weeks ago. It was 1,093 carats. You can vaguely see that it has very heavy schiller and is a muddy red color. You can look at the bonus dog pics too :) >http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yp2cchf.5fd6qt1r&x=0&h=1&y=-704une Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jul 20 10:02:14 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Jul 20 10:03:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone References: <200707201651.l6KGpqq0016654@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <005e01c7caef$c1536110$0300a8c0@warren> I tried the link, even copying and pasting, but it says album not found :( Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone > Here are Terry Ensell's pics of the big red sunstone found at the Dust > Devil 2 weeks ago. It was 1,093 carats. You can vaguely see that it has > very heavy schiller and is a muddy red color. You can look at the bonus > dog pics too :) > >>http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yp2cchf.5fd6qt1r&x=0&h=1&y=-704une > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jul 20 10:11:10 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jul 20 10:08:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone In-Reply-To: <005e01c7caef$c1536110$0300a8c0@warren> References: <200707201651.l6KGpqq0016654@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <005e01c7caef$c1536110$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <46A0ECAE.4000209@verizon.net> Julie Siebel wrote: > I tried the link, even copying and pasting, but it says album not found :( > > Julie > I right-clicked and opened in a new window. So it is there, I can assert. Keep trying! Don From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jul 20 10:16:30 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Jul 20 10:17:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone References: <200707201651.l6KGpqq0016654@bubbleator.drizzle.com><005e01c7caef$c1536110$0300a8c0@warren> <46A0ECAE.4000209@verizon.net> Message-ID: <007901c7caf1$bcc8e500$0300a8c0@warren> You can't right click to open a page in Outlook Express. I tried right-clicking and making it a shortcut, but that didn't work either. I may try it from the archive page later, since I *can* right click from there. :) Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone > Julie Siebel wrote: > >> I tried the link, even copying and pasting, but it says album not found >> :( >> >> Julie >> > > I right-clicked and opened in a new window. So it is there, I can assert. > Keep trying! > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Jul 20 12:35:46 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:35:46 2007 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone Message-ID: <002901c7cb05$2c4d0ab0$64fff604@TheBlackAdder> These URLs work. There were two URLs stuck together in the original email. Great photos! Who is the lady holding the sunstone and digging? Erich Kern ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Fisher To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone Here are Terry Ensell's pics of the big red sunstone found at the Dust Devil 2 weeks ago. It was 1,093 carats. You can vaguely see that it has very heavy schiller and is a muddy red color. You can look at the bonus dog pics too :) http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yp2cchf.5fd6qt1r&x=0&h=1&y=-704une http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yp2cchf.5fd6qt1r&x=0&h=1&y=-704une Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jul 20 12:45:18 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Jul 20 12:46:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone References: <002901c7cb05$2c4d0ab0$64fff604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <009901c7cb06$8724d9d0$0300a8c0@warren> Thanks, Erich! Shoulda noticed that, sheesh. I'm a web developer, for pete's sake. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone These URLs work. There were two URLs stuck together in the original email. Great photos! Who is the lady holding the sunstone and digging? Erich Kern ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Fisher To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone Here are Terry Ensell's pics of the big red sunstone found at the Dust Devil 2 weeks ago. It was 1,093 carats. You can vaguely see that it has very heavy schiller and is a muddy red color. You can look at the bonus dog pics too :) http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yp2cchf.5fd6qt1r&x=0&h=1&y=-704une http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=yp2cchf.5fd6qt1r&x=0&h=1&y=-704une Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From nospam at orerockon.com Fri Jul 20 14:11:30 2007 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Jul 20 14:07:57 2007 Subject: Fw: [Rockhounds] Fwd: Big Red Sunstone In-Reply-To: <002901c7cb05$2c4d0ab0$64fff604@TheBlackAdder> References: <002901c7cb05$2c4d0ab0$64fff604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <200707202107.l6KL7sJH007049@bubbleator.drizzle.com> That would be Terry's wife Karen. At 12:35 PM 7/20/2007, you wrote: >These URLs work. There were two URLs stuck together in the original email. > >Great photos! Who is the lady holding the sunstone and digging? > >Erich Kern Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Owner, Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From turnea55 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 18:09:54 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Fri Jul 20 18:09:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota / Wyoming Trip In-Reply-To: <000801c7cade$b359b660$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: I used to be a park ranger at Jewel Cave National Monument near Custer, SD and have been on geologic field trips there. Jewel Cave is the 3rd longest cave in the world (125+ miles) and the tour is well worth it. Also, the museum at SDSM&T is fantastic. It has some of the best local minerals I've ever seen as well as a much better than average fossil and mineral collection. As far as collecting, there are many pegmatite mines around Keystone and Custer. Some are right off the road and very accessible, others were once accessible but are now difficult. The Tin Mountain and Tip Top mines should still be accessible and are easy to get to. The Ingersoll Mine is one of the few with gem elbaite tourmaline, but it requires a pretty good hike. The Etta Mine with its huge spodumene crystals and great columbite is now off limits. I can help you with some directions although it's been a few years. The uranium mines near Edgemont are interesting if you like massive carnotite..hehe. There are about 4 rock shops in the area...2 near custer, 1 in Keystone, 1 in Hill City (museum too) and 1 near Rapid City. However, I would recommend contacting Tom Loomis of Dakota Matrix Minerals (http://www.dakotamatrix.com) in Rapid City. He is now the local expert in the area and even has some claims to the Tip Top dumps and may let you dig. He's one of the nicest guys I've meant and his knowledge is fantastic (not to mention great prices on minerals). I had him identify some of the weird phosphates I found at Tip Top, and he not only identified them, he sent me a few freebees including a magazine on the mine. I even visited his house and inquired about some SD azurite (uncommon)...he had many pieces of which he just gave me one. I am very jealous, this is one of my favorite places in the country and I'd live there if there were more jobs available. I had knee surgery today and there will be no collecting for ahwile, so I am especially jealous. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA >From: "Earl R. Verbeek" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: , "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A >mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] South Dakota / Wyoming Trip >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:00:19 -0400 > >The hot springs at Thermopolis are well worth a stop. I'm not sure I'd go >for a swim there in July (hot, crowded, much better in snowy weather), but >the deposits are fascinating to view and photograph. > > Cheers- Earl > >----------------------------------- >Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist >Sterling Hill Mining Museum >30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 >973-209-7212 >shmm@ptd.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:47 AM >To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' >Subject: [Rockhounds] South Dakota / Wyoming Trip > >The Dot and I are taking a little one week trip out west. Saint Paul - >Rapid City SD (Black Hills)- Thermopolis WY - Billings MT - Saint Paul. > >Any collecting / rock shop suggestions? I went to SD Tech back in 68-72, >so >all my "local knowledge" is WAY out of date. BTW... I'm going to bring a >BUNCH of Sterling Hill UV material with me along with a bunch of my >MasMils/PLUS disks. Anyone along the way interested in some trades? > >Gary Brown >Catspaw Minerals >Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jul 20 19:01:22 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jul 20 20:01:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation References: Message-ID: <46A168D7.5108@Tomaszewski.net> My first home computer was a SWTPC 6800 that I soldered together as a kit in 1978. It had two 40K floppy drives and 48K of RAM. Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Our first was a Radio Shack TRS80+....the + meant we had 16Kb...4 times the original plain old TRS80...around 1980. > > LOL!!! > Glenn > > >> From: tim@orerockon.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation> > Wow! 20 megs! I am so jealous! Mine was $250 EXTRA and was only 10Mb! > :) But my screen had CGA graphics! Whoo hoo!> > At 09:02 PM 7/15/2007, you wrote:> >It worked OK for me but my first computer in 1986, It was an AT&T with> >624 k of ram and a 20 mb hard drive. I have no idea how a newbe can> >get a computer, go online, and do anything. However, if they can do> >that, Tim's site will work for them.> >> >Grant> > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!?? > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlmailtextlink > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jul 20 19:17:39 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jul 20 20:17:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found References: <46A03B06.1501@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46A16CA6.715E@Tomaszewski.net> You will find it on a typographic map. John Stockwell wrote: > > Where's Nichigan? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > > > As a Nichigan resident I can assure you that Minnesota is a lot colder > > in the Winter since it is upwind of Lake Michigan. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > >> > >> Michigan...Minnesota...whats the difference, they both start with 'M' > >> and are up north aren't they? > >> > >> BK > >> > >> On 7/16/07, John Stockwell wrote: > >> > MICHIGAN!? > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> > collectors" > >> > > >> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:13 AM > >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > >> > > >> > > >> > > FYI: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > BK > >> > > From kugeln at msn.com Fri Jul 20 21:23:23 2007 From: kugeln at msn.com (John Stockwell) Date: Fri Jul 20 21:23:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found References: <46A03B06.1501@Tomaszewski.net> <46A16CA6.715E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: OK, I'll gret one at the USJS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found > You will find it on a typographic map. > > > John Stockwell wrote: >> >> Where's Nichigan? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found >> >> > As a Nichigan resident I can assure you that Minnesota is a lot colder >> > in the Winter since it is upwind of Lake Michigan. >> > >> > Kreigh >> > >> > >> > J Bryan Kramer wrote: >> >> >> >> Michigan...Minnesota...whats the difference, they both start with 'M' >> >> and are up north aren't they? >> >> >> >> BK >> >> >> >> On 7/16/07, John Stockwell wrote: >> >> > MICHIGAN!? >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "J Bryan Kramer" >> >> > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> >> > collectors" >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:13 AM >> >> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Michigan remnant from Sudbury found >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > FYI: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > BK >> >> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rockhounds at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 20 22:31:22 2007 From: rockhounds at roadrunner.com (Kelly Hanson) Date: Sat Jul 21 11:34:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Locations Medora North Dakota In-Reply-To: <002e01c7ca80$e6b7d360$9ae3874a@D5K94V21> Message-ID: <001401c7cb58$63370820$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> We will be in this area mid August. Any ideas of who or what to look for in rock hounding fun? Kelly From kadok at infowest.com Sat Jul 21 12:03:57 2007 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat Jul 21 12:03:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation In-Reply-To: <46A168D7.5108@Tomaszewski.net> References: <46A168D7.5108@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000901c7cbc9$e4203710$0200a8c0@kadok> I was a real "johnny-come-lately comparge to you guys -- my first one was in 1983-- an IBM PC (original version!) with two floppy drives, and 32 K RAM, which I updated to 64 K -- which was the most anyone ever dreamed of having; the system was not designed to handle any more than that, and they were still very frustrated at the time trying to figure out how to get more! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:01 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation >My first home computer was a SWTPC 6800 that I soldered together as a >kit in 1978. It had two 40K floppy drives and 48K of RAM. Glenn Wimpee wrote: > >> Our first was a Radio Shack TRS80+....the + meant we had 16Kb...4 times >>the original plain old TRS80...around 1980. >> >> LOL!!! >> Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rocknate at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 13:52:21 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Sat Jul 21 13:52:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting Locations Medora North Dakota In-Reply-To: <001401c7cb58$63370820$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> References: <002e01c7ca80$e6b7d360$9ae3874a@D5K94V21> <001401c7cb58$63370820$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Message-ID: Kelly, Enjoy the badlands scenery and by all means go see the fossilized tree trunks in the Teddy Roosevelt National park (no collecting allowed) but when I went there with my sons a few year's ago to celebrate on of those "big first number" birthdays, I could not find a collecting locality anywhere in the area. They do have one of the most scenic golf courses that I have ever seen or played. For mineral collecting I'd suggest looking for sites on your way to or from Medora, depending on where you are driving from. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 7/21/07, Kelly Hanson wrote: > > > > We will be in this area mid August. Any ideas of who or what to look for > in > rock hounding fun? > Kelly > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jul 21 19:34:46 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jul 21 19:34:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report Message-ID: <46A2C242.3E42@Tomaszewski.net> Every few years my siblings and I try to get together for a camping trip to keep in touch. We normally camp in Michigan where we grew up, but this year it was off to the White Mountains in New Hampshire where one of my sisters lives. A thousand mile trip takes some planning, so I posted a query to the Drizzle List for some collecting locations. Nate Martin from the Boston Mineral Club invited us to join them for a trip to the Bumpus Mine in Maine. My sister made reservations for us all at the Cold River Campground near Fryeburg making the field trip convenient. When vacation time arrived we drove to Herkimer, NY and spent the night. No collecting, but we had breakfast at the Miners Den before we hit the road. When we got to Lebanon, NH, our water pump in the van went out. We left the van with a dealership, rented a pickup, and proceeded on to the campground. We almost got there, but 113 had been washed out a few hours earlier from the rains we had followed to the East Coast from Michigan. Geology happens. More hours found us at the other end of 113 and we hit the campground just before 11 pm and set up camp. So much for planning to get to camp early so we could set up before sunset. But it was clear and the stars were outstanding. The next morning we stopped at the tourist information center for shorter driving directions back to Lebanon, to retrieve the van and return the rental. The gentleman who helped us turned out to be a rockhound; he told us where to find the local rock shop. We made it back in time for dinner. You can't get there from here in NH, mountains get in the way. The next couple days were family reunion time as the local trails were explored. We shared meals and campfires. Then it was Saturday morning, and we hit the road for the Bumpus Mine at 7. We arrived at 8, and the gate was locked. We went down the road to the next turnaround and came back to find the gate open. The four of us from the Indian Mounds Club were the first to the mine. We met the mine representative, and got to welcome the Boston Club to their own field trip. We were introduced to the mine's history and shown some classic specimens that had come from the mine. We found out that the dumps had been turned with a dozer the week before. We received a safety orientation, and signed waivers. We helped our host put away the outstanding specimens. Most of us then grabbed our hard hats, flashlights, and collecting buckets, and followed our host for an underground tour -- with collecting allowed from the floor. A few went off to the dumps. Some took time to identify the unusual wildflowers. Most of the Bumpus was quarried following the pegmatite seam, but three tunnels were dug. One tunnel is blocked, but two of the tunnels can be entered. The first tunnel was quite short. The second was longer, and had a pool with minnows in it. And then it was off to the dumps, with a half full bucket. Collecting occurred. At least one beryl (aquamarine) was found (but not by me), and I saw a couple specimens of Torbernite (and may have one micro). It was a fun time collecting with the Boston Club, but we had to leave early afternoon to get back to family at the campsite. I went 'home' happy with my finds. My thanks to Nate and the Boston Club for letting us collect with them. Tuesday we went to the beach so our youngest could experience swimming in the ocean. When my water bottle was empty I filled it with sand for my collection. We noted a rock shop on the drive to the beach, and stopped on our way back to pick up some thumbnails of local minerals. But when we got to Fryeburg the local rock shop was closed. My wife suggested I visit it the next morning, alone, before our planned hike after lunch. Everyone was amazed she was sending me to a rock shop without supervision. I had the pleasure of meeting Bob and Teresa Prouty, acquiring some specimens (including a new mineral for my systematic collection), and discovering I was camping near the Chatham North Star mine (aka, the Millard Chandler mine) that I could collect at. When I got back to the campsite we rustled up some lunch, and I proposed visiting the mine on our way to the Emerald Pool, which was our planned afternoon destination. The directions were good, and we had no problems finding the dumps. It took us less than 15 minutes more to find the mine itself up the hill. Two large caverns into the hillside. We collected from the floors. My sister and her partner, who have been hiking and camping that area for over twenty years, were absolutely amazed to find a new destination less than half a mile from their favorite campground. Priceless! We spent a good hour and a half collecting, and taking pictures, before moving on for our hike and swim (to avoid the bugs). We didn't find any beryl, but we did find a few almandines, and a bunch of fluorapatite, microcline, books of muscovite (and some biotite), and quartz. It was much like the Bumpus. When we got back to the Basin (Cold River Campground) again, I found we still had some time before supper; I defied the bugs and went back to the mine for some more collecting by myself. Still no beryl, but I found a couple unknown micros I now think are bertrandite. I just hope I can get them trimmed out for mounting without damage. Personally collecting a new mineral for my collection was truely a rare treat! The next morning we broke camp when the rain started at 5 am and headed back to Michigan in the thunderstorms. It was a long drive. It was a great trip. Kreigh P.S., Nate emailed me that late in the day one of the Boston Club members found a 5 inch partial beryl crystal in the dumps. From ajs at frii.com Sat Jul 21 21:35:20 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Sat Jul 21 21:35:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Honest Evaluation In-Reply-To: <000901c7cbc9$e4203710$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <20070722043520.6AB121CC19@io.frii.com> I have a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 16B Micro Computer... ...nameplate, stuck to the front of my PC! And it (the nameplate) looks as good as the day it was made! Could have sworn I saw one of those in the Smithsonian recently too. (The nameplate, and the whole system behind it.) Also laying around I have a hand-soldered printed circuit board card... A Beckman flip-flop... With a 3-digit serial number... Made of discrete transistors! Picked that up in a scrap box at Caltech in the mid-1970s. Rocks, oh yeah, rocks... OK, here's a question. Recently along the North Platte in Wyoming I found stuff (river-tumbled stones 1-2" across) that remind me of "banded iron," except the bands are yellow jasper in between the hematite, not red. Do you suppose it might be hematized wood? Except the bands aren't that regular, it's not like the hematized Parker Wood I find in SE Denver. Were there conditions in more recent times that created "banded irons" like this? Thanks, Alan Silverstein From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Jul 21 22:22:05 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 21 22:22:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report Message-ID: Hi Keith, That sounds like a really good trip (the rocks part, putting aside the van breaking down) you had "back east". I guess although your family's camping rendezvous was New Hampshire, you got to do most of your collecting in Maine--great that you got to go along to the Bumpus mine (never been there) and that you dug up the other, the Chandler. Myself, I've never really spent any time in Oxford County--my loss, it's a great center of pegmatite mineral treasure. Back in New Hampshire, Donderos Rock Shop, in North Conway, is a good place to visit, it's been there 'forever' (a little late for me to be mentioning this to you). Thanks for sharing the stories about what you did, Pete ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Jul 21 22:23:55 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 21 22:24:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Field Trip Report - oops, to my reply, Kreigh Message-ID: P.S., KREIGH--oops and good grief, I'm always wanting to call you Keith, and I just did it--sorry. Guess you're the only person I've ever run into named Kreigh (spelled that way). My apology, Pete (or you can make it Paul or Peat or Peet or ...) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sdan93 at qwest.net Sun Jul 22 13:16:48 2007 From: sdan93 at qwest.net (Dan Siler) Date: Sun Jul 22 13:15:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Field trip Message-ID: <000001c7cc9d$3d735990$0500a8c0@D3CLKJ81> I am making a trip St. Anthony Idaho the first part of Aug. Does anyone have information on sites in that area or email with contact information for members of he Hells Canyon Gem Club --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jul 22 15:34:08 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jul 22 15:35:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Field trip References: <000001c7cc9d$3d735990$0500a8c0@D3CLKJ81> Message-ID: <002701c7ccb0$70fae630$0200a8c0@Notebook> Dan, Looks like you'll be about 50 miles south of Crystal Park, MT. Fun quartz/amethyst digging there. John >I am making a trip St. Anthony Idaho the first part of Aug. Does anyone >have > information on sites in that area or email with contact information for > members of he Hells Canyon Gem Club From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jul 22 19:40:33 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jul 22 19:37:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] International Directory of Micromounters Message-ID: <46A4142A.51E4@Tomaszewski.net> I am passing along a request for micromounters to identify themselves. If you think this applies to you, please contact Carolyn directly (I have cc'ed her on this posting so you have her address). BTW, IMO, if you submit someone else's name for the directory, you should get that person's permission first. Kreigh ==== Carolyn & Steve Weinberger wrote: > > I?m Carolyn Weinberger, editor of the International Directory of > Micromounters.. Published by the Baltimore Mineral Society, this > publication attempts to list all those sharing an interest in > micromounting. > > It?s time to put out another edition of Directory. My publication > target is the beginning of October so that it can be made available > beginning with the Desautels Micromount Symposium in Baltimore held > the 2nd weekend in October this year. If you?re not the best person > to contact, I?d appreciate your sending this e-mail on to someone in > your area who can. > > I?d appreciate some input from you so that I can add micromounters in > your area not included in the last edition and unfortunately remove > those who are no longer active in the hobby. For this edition, I?d > like to be able to include as many e-mail addresses as possible ? I > think most of us have settled in with one provider and are no longer > flitting back and forth trying to obtain the most reliable service. > > Please don?t restrict your input to just your area. If you know of > someone (perhaps someone you correspond with) who should be added, > please send me whatever information on that person you have. It?s > sometimes difficult to obtain information so the more input I > receive, the more accurate the Directory will be. > > I?d like to have your response either e-mailed or mailed to me no > later than August 15. That will give me sufficient time to assemble > and duplicate the volume. Based on many inquiries after the last > edition, I plan on making the Directory available as both a printed > volume and as a pdf file on CD Rom. > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > Carolyn > > Carolyn Weinberger > Editor, International Directory of Micromounters > > PO Box 302 > Glyndon, MD 21071-0302 From lanny at lrream.com Sun Jul 22 22:01:21 2007 From: lanny at lrream.com (Lanny) Date: Sun Jul 22 22:01:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Field trip In-Reply-To: <002701c7ccb0$70fae630$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <000001c7cc9d$3d735990$0500a8c0@D3CLKJ81> <002701c7ccb0$70fae630$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <94c363bbd17a81d607cdfcf26ab08a30@lrream.com> Hey John, That's more like about 150 miles! Lanny On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, John Siebel wrote: > Dan, > > Looks like you'll be about 50 miles south of Crystal Park, MT. Fun > quartz/amethyst digging there. > > John > >> I am making a trip St. Anthony Idaho the first part of Aug. Does >> anyone have >> information on sites in that area or email with contact information >> for >> members of he Hells Canyon Gem Club > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Mon Jul 23 08:01:20 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Mon Jul 23 08:03:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <351026.47645.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Larry could you tell me what the hardness of the Blueschist usually is? It seems from the reading that it can be formed from a few different specimens. Would it be good or bad, for cutting cab's? Thanks Teri J --- Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > I'll give an answer. Blueschist (it's usually > written as one word) actually > refers to a particular kind of metamorphic rock, > glaucophane schist. This > contains the mineral glaucophane, which is actually > kind of a bluish-purple. > It's found in areas such as coastal northern > California--the Franciscan > Formation. Someone who lives in the S.F. Bay area > and knows about local geologic > sites would probably know how to obtain a specimen. > > > It's not really noted for good crystals, just a > somewhat unusual > grayish-bluish-purplish rock that is of interest to > geologists. Glaucophane schist > occurs in metamorphic rocks that form in a somewhat > unusual environment of high > pressures and relatively low temperatures; in zones > of plate collision and > subduction (e.g., California!). > > Pete Modreski > > > > In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:06:19 AM Mountain > Daylight Time, > larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: > > List: I received this from a student in Fla. I > don't know of any "blue > schist", the only thing that comes to mind is > possibly a finely divided kyanite > schist. Can anyone help her? > > Larry Rush > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 23 08:34:24 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jul 23 08:34:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist References: <351026.47645.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c7cd3e$f331ebb0$36dc2c4b@LarryRush> Teri: I know little about either blueschist or lapidary! So, I'll let someone else answer this...it does seem to me that schist, in general, would not be a good candidate for cutting cabs, as it usually has several minerals of varying hardness as constituents, including mica. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa jetter" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist > Hi Larry > could you tell me what the hardness of the Blueschist > usually is? It seems from the reading that it can be > formed from a few different specimens. Would it be > good or bad, for cutting cab's? > Thanks > Teri J > --- Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > >> >> Hi Larry, >> >> I'll give an answer. Blueschist (it's usually >> written as one word) actually >> refers to a particular kind of metamorphic rock, >> glaucophane schist. This >> contains the mineral glaucophane, which is actually >> kind of a bluish-purple. >> It's found in areas such as coastal northern >> California--the Franciscan >> Formation. Someone who lives in the S.F. Bay area >> and knows about local geologic >> sites would probably know how to obtain a specimen. >> >> >> It's not really noted for good crystals, just a >> somewhat unusual >> grayish-bluish-purplish rock that is of interest to >> geologists. Glaucophane schist >> occurs in metamorphic rocks that form in a somewhat >> unusual environment of high >> pressures and relatively low temperatures; in zones >> of plate collision and >> subduction (e.g., California!). >> >> Pete Modreski >> >> >> >> In a message dated 7/17/2007 8:06:19 AM Mountain >> Daylight Time, >> larryrush@worldnet.att.net writes: >> >> List: I received this from a student in Fla. I >> don't know of any "blue >> schist", the only thing that comes to mind is >> possibly a finely divided kyanite >> schist. Can anyone help her? >> >> Larry Rush >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak >> peek of the all-new AOL at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From murowchickj at umkc.edu Mon Jul 23 09:30:48 2007 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Mon Jul 23 09:30:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist In-Reply-To: <351026.47645.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good morning Teri and others Since blueschists contain glaucophane (an amphibole), is there a health hazard in using it for lapidary work? Glaucophane is one of the amphiboles that can be fibrous (asbestiform) and is closely related to riebeckite (fibrous form = "crocidolite" or "blue asbestos"), which was linked to mesothelioma, a lung cancer. Most of the blueschist thin sections I've looked at have glaucophane as long prismatic crystals, needles or bundles of needles and fibers. I'm not a medical expert, but I wouldn't want to mess with any dust containing fibrous amphiboles. Those are far more hazardous than the serpentine asbestos, chrysotile. I suppose working the material wet would keep the dust down, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were fibers in any mist or spray that could be inhaled. I would use a good dust mask if I chose to work with it. Any better insights on this from anyone? Jim Murowchick On 7/23/07 10:01 AM, "teresa jetter" wrote: > Hi Larry > could you tell me what the hardness of the Blueschist > usually is? It seems from the reading that it can be > formed from a few different specimens. Would it be > good or bad, for cutting cab's? > Thanks > Teri J From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jul 23 10:26:46 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jul 23 17:16:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Field trip References: <000001c7cc9d$3d735990$0500a8c0@D3CLKJ81><002701c7ccb0$70fae630$0200a8c0@Notebook> <94c363bbd17a81d607cdfcf26ab08a30@lrream.com> Message-ID: <000201c7cd87$be9fef20$0200a8c0@Notebook> Well. OK. But it's a beautiful drive! John > Hey John, > > That's more like about 150 miles! > > Lanny > > On Jul 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> Looks like you'll be about 50 miles south of Crystal Park, MT. Fun >> quartz/amethyst digging there. >> >> John From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Jul 24 10:57:39 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:57:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad- Erongo Mountains minerals References: <351026.47645.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c7ce1c$25cbd530$affad24c@LarryRush> I have been instructed by the owner of the Erongo minerals on my site to reduce all prices on them. She is part of an African Christian based non-profit organization and they can use the money now for a new food program. (www.hopeofafrica.co.za) Please direct any questions about the minerals to me at larryrush@att.net Thanks.... Larry www.ConnRoxminerals.com From danhanks at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 11:38:55 2007 From: danhanks at gmail.com (Dan Hanks) Date: Wed Jul 25 11:38:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites in SE Idaho Message-ID: I'll be travelling along I-15 this weekend from central Utah to Shelley, Idaho. Just wondering if there are any decent collecting sites somewhat close to I-15 in SE Idaho. Thanks, -- Dan From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jul 25 20:02:37 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Jul 25 20:02:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Snowy River Cave Message-ID: Snowy River flowing again! http://www.livescience.com/imageoftheday/siod_070724.html Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!?? http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlmailtextlink --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jul 25 21:04:49 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jul 25 20:51:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD (sorta): Summer Rocks Message-ID: <46A81A2B.6AC5@Tomaszewski.net> An old friend of mine sent a note saying she discovered a fun greenhouse that was also selling neat rocks, and thought of us. She included a coupon that started out... Well it's that time once agaim, time to rock at Arrowhead. This is our fifth year for a rock sale, and a great excuse for a bit of a party. There should be some classic rocks, including some spectacular petrified wood, rock from the Keweenaw, some big lace rock specimens, some 50# fossil specimens from Clay Center, and lots of outstanding mineral and fossil specimens. Naturally, we have a few plants to go with them. If you know where Fowlerville, MI, is, you might want to get more details on this sale occurring July 28 and 29 at http://www.arrowhead-alpines.com I have no connection to this firm and have never done business with them. But I trust my friend enough to want to check out the greenhouse in the near future. And while we're there, I might as well check out the yard rocks as my wife picks out plants. Kreigh From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Jul 25 20:59:15 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed Jul 25 21:00:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD (sorta): Summer Rocks References: <46A81A2B.6AC5@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000801c7cf39$5ad9b0d0$0300a8c0@warren> Kreigh! (This is more for the list than for you - lol) Definitely NOT an advertisement - isn't there something in the rules about "I have no connection to this firm and just wanted to pass along the information..."? Something like that. All members (even Admins :P) are allowed to point out great places to look at and/or buy stuff, provided you can confirm that you are not affiliated with the said sale/storefront/whatever. No [AD] required. Besides, makes me wish I could get to Fowlerville :D Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] AD (sorta): Summer Rocks > An old friend of mine sent a note saying she discovered a fun greenhouse > that was also selling neat rocks, and thought of us. She included a > coupon that started out... > > Well it's that time once agaim, time to rock at Arrowhead. This is > our fifth year for a rock sale, and a great excuse for a bit of a > party. There should be some classic rocks, including some > spectacular petrified wood, rock from the Keweenaw, some big lace > rock specimens, some 50# fossil specimens from Clay Center, and > lots of outstanding mineral and fossil specimens. Naturally, we > have a few plants to go with them. > > If you know where Fowlerville, MI, is, you might want to get more > details on this sale occurring July 28 and 29 at > > http://www.arrowhead-alpines.com > > I have no connection to this firm and have never done business with > them. But I trust my friend enough to want to check out the greenhouse > in the near future. And while we're there, I might as well check out the > yard rocks as my wife picks out plants. > > Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From llbullbull at hotmail.com Thu Jul 26 05:34:58 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Thu Jul 26 05:35:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: Anyone Out There: Does anyone know what is produced (in the way of mineral specimens) from the W.R.Grace Allen Mine in Cross Anchor, SC? Thank you, Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ See what you?re getting into?before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dalerocks1 at cox.net Thu Jul 26 07:25:57 2007 From: dalerocks1 at cox.net (Richard) Date: Thu Jul 26 07:25:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <001801c7cf90$e2ce9c60$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> The Allen Mine was one of the Vermiculite deposits feeding the Grace processing plant in Enoree - I have not been there in decades, but isn't it reclaimed? There were no minerals other than Hydrobiotite/Vermiculite and a bit of Quartz. If there is any left, that Vermiculite expands particularly well - fun to demonstrate (adults only) this strange property with a hot torch. Cheers, Rich Anyone Out There: Does anyone know what is produced (in the way of mineral specimens) from the W.R.Grace Allen Mine in Cross Anchor, SC? Thank you, Larry Bull _________________________________________________________________ From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Jul 26 07:42:55 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (catgbrown) Date: Thu Jul 26 07:27:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070726143550.M62503@catspaw-minerals.com> Things have finally cooled off! 110F at the start of the week going across western SoDak...100F in The Hills. The Dot and I are in Thermopolis now heading up towards Billings (eventually). Picked up some nice ripple marked Morrison fm. chunks on the edge of The Hills along with a cool piece of natural clinker from outside Gillette...also traded some Sterling Hill material for some good Black Hills rose quarts. But I digress. We're going to be heading east of of Billings in a day or so, going back to the flatlands and work. I know it's been discussed before, but I don't have the Big Computer, and no notes. Sooooooo.... and suggestions for some easy collecting of agates and, more importantly, wood within an easy distance of I-90 as we go from West to East? If you have lat/lon, it would even be better, what with my DeLorme stuff and GPS. I grovel in gratitude. Gary From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu Jul 26 18:24:13 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu Jul 26 18:24:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <30052.95467.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim M, Wow! Because I am just learning and still fresh to all of the minerals, gemstones, etc.... I am glad that there are teachers, instructors, and field experts like you and the others that are soooo helpful when I ask questions. Teri J --- Jim Murowchick wrote: > Good morning Teri and others > > Since blueschists contain glaucophane (an > amphibole), is there a health > hazard in using it for lapidary work? Glaucophane > is one of the amphiboles > that can be fibrous (asbestiform) and is closely > related to riebeckite > (fibrous form = "crocidolite" or "blue asbestos"), > which was linked to > mesothelioma, a lung cancer. Most of the blueschist > thin sections I've > looked at have glaucophane as long prismatic > crystals, needles or bundles of > needles and fibers. I'm not a medical expert, but I > wouldn't want to mess > with any dust containing fibrous amphiboles. Those > are far more hazardous > than the serpentine asbestos, chrysotile. > I suppose working the material wet would keep > the dust down, but it > wouldn't surprise me if there were fibers in any > mist or spray that could be > inhaled. I would use a good dust mask if I chose to > work with it. > > Any better insights on this from anyone? > > Jim Murowchick > > On 7/23/07 10:01 AM, "teresa jetter" > wrote: > > > Hi Larry > > could you tell me what the hardness of the > Blueschist > > usually is? It seems from the reading that it can > be > > formed from a few different specimens. Would it > be > > good or bad, for cutting cab's? > > Thanks > > Teri J > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Jul 26 19:07:58 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Jul 26 19:08:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Blue Schist In-Reply-To: <30052.95467.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <30052.95467.qm@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46A9537E.3020604@verizon.net> teresa jetter wrote: > >> I suppose working the material wet would keep >>the dust down, but it >>wouldn't surprise me if there were fibers in any >>mist or spray that could be >>inhaled. I would use a good dust mask if I chose to >>work with it. >> >> Any better insights on this from anyone? Hi, I would recommend working any material wet and wearing a mask. Silica dust, in the right morphology, is also a hazardous material, while we're on the subject. We are also surrounded by quartz and amphiboles in our environment. Malachite and azurite also create dusts that should not be inhaled. However, unless there has been a study specifically linking glaucophane to any illness, I wouldn't raise any alarm bells about it. There is a lot of misinformation, propaganda, and frantic arm-waving going on right now about the health hazards of asbestiform minerals, and it would seem that the risks are related to the chemistry and morphology of the minerals in question, including a relationship to the size of the fibers as well as the aspect ratio (length/width ratio). So again, precautions should be taken against inhaling any and all dusts. Of course I wouldn't imagine a blueshcist assemblage makes good lapidary material anyway; it would be pretty friable and I don't think it would look very interesting as a cabachon or free-form, though a large polished slice might have some interesting textures. best regards, Don From llbullbull at hotmail.com Fri Jul 27 05:29:32 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Fri Jul 27 05:29:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) Message-ID: Thank you for the response... Is there any chance that autunite came from the Allen Mine? Take care, Larry Bull> From: dalerocks1@cox.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] (no subject)> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:25:57 -0700> > > The Allen Mine was one of the Vermiculite deposits feeding the Grace > processing plant in Enoree - I have not been there in decades, but isn't it > reclaimed? There were no minerals other than Hydrobiotite/Vermiculite and a > bit of Quartz.> > If there is any left, that Vermiculite expands particularly well - fun to > demonstrate (adults only) this strange property with a hot torch.> > Cheers,> Rich> > > Anyone Out There:> > Does anyone know what is produced (in the way of mineral specimens) from the > W.R.Grace Allen Mine in Cross Anchor, SC?> > Thank you,> > Larry Bull> _________________________________________________________________> > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! Find it! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com Fri Jul 27 07:29:17 2007 From: minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com (minnesota_pebble_pup) Date: Fri Jul 27 07:29:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak Message-ID: <161791.31600.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It just occured to me, if we are begging for rockhounding site tips... wouldn't we be 'graveling' instead of groveling? sigh. I'll go walk the gravel roads some more looking for Lake Superior Agate roadkill while you all ponder. Jonna ----- Original Message ---- I grovel in gratitude. Gary ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From brenick at gmail.com Fri Jul 27 07:38:30 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Fri Jul 27 07:38:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak In-Reply-To: <161791.31600.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <161791.31600.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97175ae90707270738o19df6bf1t911d7da17e2a48fb@mail.gmail.com> oohhh, I am jealous! I had the opportunity to find a few (suprisingly few) gravel roads when I was in Minn. A lovely rainy day it was too, perfect for gravel picking! Brenda On 7/27/07, minnesota_pebble_pup wrote: > > It just occured to me, if we are begging for rockhounding site tips... > wouldn't we be 'graveling' instead of groveling? sigh. I'll go walk the > gravel roads some more looking for Lake Superior Agate roadkill while you > all ponder. > Jonna > > ----- Original Message ---- > > I grovel in gratitude. > > Gary > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jul 27 20:51:17 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (catgbrown) Date: Fri Jul 27 20:35:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak In-Reply-To: <97175ae90707270738o19df6bf1t911d7da17e2a48fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <161791.31600.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <97175ae90707270738o19df6bf1t911d7da17e2a48fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070728035016.M85505@catspaw-minerals.com> Gravelling...grovelling...whatever. So... LOCATIONS???? I'm in Billings RIGHT NOW and am in desperate need of some locations for the trip out east tomorrow! GcB From dalerocks1 at cox.net Fri Jul 27 20:52:01 2007 From: dalerocks1 at cox.net (Richard) Date: Fri Jul 27 20:52:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <005801c7d0ca$a817ed20$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> Sorry Larry, but I don't think so... no heavy metals at all. Cheers, Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the response... Is there any chance that autunite came from the Allen Mine? Take care, Larry Bull From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jul 27 21:40:11 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jul 27 21:40:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (no subject) References: <005801c7d0ca$a817ed20$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> Message-ID: <46AAC8A2.7BAB@Tomaszewski.net> Mindat gives 'Apatite', ?ugite, Biotite, Microcline, Titanite, Tremolite, and Vermiculite for the Allen #1 Mine.. Richard wrote: > > Sorry Larry, but I don't think so... no heavy metals at all. > > Cheers, Rich > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you for the response... > > Is there any chance that autunite came from the Allen Mine? > > Take care, > > Larry Bull > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jul 27 23:02:15 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jul 27 23:01:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] title in subject line (was) (no subject) In-Reply-To: <46AAC8A2.7BAB@Tomaszewski.net> References: <005801c7d0ca$a817ed20$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> <46AAC8A2.7BAB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46A90B810003993F@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Hi all, This is a perfect example of the value of a topic in the subject line! For everyone's interest, there should be a useful topic in the subject line, and if a post appears with no subject, or with a Digest number, or if the topic has changed significantly, please add an appropriate title, and then put (was) before the original one. It doesn't take a lot of time or effort to do this, and it makes everything a lot more convenient and informative for us all. Aloha, Kitty From minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 09:15:42 2007 From: minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com (minnesota_pebble_pup) Date: Sat Jul 28 09:15:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak Message-ID: <83808.45093.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Montana Agate Shop 925 NW Bypass Great Falls MT 59404 406-453-7027 Arrow Creek Gallery Huntley MT 59037 406-348-2366 Assay Office 77750 Gallatin Road Gallatin Gateway MT 59730 406-763-4395 Asterism Services 1319 Kaw Avenue Butte MT 59701 406-723-2156 Crystal Hound 160 8th Avenue West N Kalispell MT 59901 406-756-2357 Crystal Imports 500 South Russell St Missoula MT 59801 406-549-8907 Crystals Gems & Dreams 928 Broadwater Ave Billings MT 59101-2700 406-254-2863 D J Minerals 1001 South Montana St Butte MT 59701 406-782-7339 Earth's Treasures 25 North Willson Ave Bozeman MT 59715 406-586-3451 Earths Treasures 8695 Huffine Lane Bozeman MT 59715 406-586-3451 Frame Ace PO Box 22534 Billings MT 59104 406-656-0165 Gem Mountain Studio Emigrant MT 59027 406-333-4639 Gold Fever Rock Shop 5360 Castles Road Helena MT 59601-6423 406-227-8989 Healing Wonders 442 Batavia Lane Kalispell MT 59901 406-756-8705 Hobby Cab Rock Shop 1912 Old Hardin Rd Billings MT 59101-6554 406-256-5044 J S Enterprises Billings MT 59101 406-656-0165 Junction Rock Shop 7309 US Highway 2 East Columbia Falls MT 59912 406-892-4944 Kehoe's Agate Shop 1020 Holt Drive Bigfork MT 59911 406-837-4467 Little Montana Rock Shop Hwy 87 P O Box 7 Grass Range MT 59032 800-932-0434 Montana Rock Creations 540 9th Street West Whitefish MT 59937 406-862-2490 Montana Within Kalispell MT 59901 406-755-4788 Mountain Wildcraft Lapidary PO box 22591 Billings MT 59104 406-656-5749 New Pioneer Indian Trading CO 18 North Canyon Street West Yellowstone MT 59758 406-646-7792 Prospector Shop 6312 US Highway 12 West Helena MT 59601 406-442-1872 Rocks & Fossils 5170 US Highway 89 South Livingston MT 59047 406-222-6725 Shane Norton's Rock Shop 36593 Hw. 93, St. Ignatius MT 59865 406-745-4504 Tyson Rock Shop Box 263 Gardiner MT 59030 406-848-7664 ----- Original Message ---- From: catgbrown To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:51:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak Gravelling...grovelling...whatever. So... LOCATIONS???? I'm in Billings RIGHT NOW and am in desperate need of some locations for the trip out east tomorrow! GcB -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com Sat Jul 28 10:00:55 2007 From: minnesota_pebble_pup at yahoo.com (minnesota_pebble_pup) Date: Sat Jul 28 10:00:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak Message-ID: <717152.71271.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I cant validate if this list is up to date or not, i pulled these out of the list '500 rock shops of the west'. There has been recent threads on sites in Montana and I am thinking it may be on the Rockhounds yahoo group. There are fee sites; Gem Mountain (Phillipsburg area), Spokane Bar (Helena). Some people have mentioned Crystal Park (set aside by the forest service and is maintained by a rock club. It is between Butte and Missoula[don't know who i'm quoting there]). These places might not be in your route of travel though, I haven't looked at a map. Hope you find something... (graveling for an adventure myself here!) Jonna ----- Original Message ---- From: minnesota_pebble_pup To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com:A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:15:42 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak Montana Agate Shop 925 NW Bypass Great Falls MT 59404 406-453-7027 Arrow Creek Gallery Huntley MT 59037 406-348-2366 Assay Office 77750 Gallatin Road Gallatin Gateway MT 59730 406-763-4395 Asterism Services 1319 Kaw Avenue Butte MT 59701 406-723-2156 Crystal Hound 160 8th Avenue West N Kalispell MT 59901 406-756-2357 Crystal Imports 500 South Russell St Missoula MT 59801 406-549-8907 Crystals Gems & Dreams 928 Broadwater Ave Billings MT 59101-2700 406-254-2863 D J Minerals 1001 South Montana St Butte MT 59701 406-782-7339 Earth's Treasures 25 North Willson Ave Bozeman MT 59715 406-586-3451 Earths Treasures 8695 Huffine Lane Bozeman MT 59715 406-586-3451 Frame Ace PO Box 22534 Billings MT 59104 406-656-0165 Gem Mountain Studio Emigrant MT 59027 406-333-4639 Gold Fever Rock Shop 5360 Castles Road Helena MT 59601-6423 406-227-8989 Healing Wonders 442 Batavia Lane Kalispell MT 59901 406-756-8705 Hobby Cab Rock Shop 1912 Old Hardin Rd Billings MT 59101-6554 406-256-5044 J S Enterprises Billings MT 59101 406-656-0165 Junction Rock Shop 7309 US Highway 2 East Columbia Falls MT 59912 406-892-4944 Kehoe's Agate Shop 1020 Holt Drive Bigfork MT 59911 406-837-4467 Little Montana Rock Shop Hwy 87 P O Box 7 Grass Range MT 59032 800-932-0434 Montana Rock Creations 540 9th Street West Whitefish MT 59937 406-862-2490 Montana Within Kalispell MT 59901 406-755-4788 Mountain Wildcraft Lapidary PO box 22591 Billings MT 59104 406-656-5749 New Pioneer Indian Trading CO 18 North Canyon Street West Yellowstone MT 59758 406-646-7792 Prospector Shop 6312 US Highway 12 West Helena MT 59601 406-442-1872 Rocks & Fossils 5170 US Highway 89 South Livingston MT 59047 406-222-6725 Shane Norton's Rock Shop 36593 Hw. 93, St. Ignatius MT 59865 406-745-4504 Tyson Rock Shop Box 263 Gardiner MT 59030 406-848-7664 ----- Original Message ---- From: catgbrown To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:51:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak Gravelling...grovelling...whatever. So... LOCATIONS???? I'm in Billings RIGHT NOW and am in desperate need of some locations for the trip out east tomorrow! GcB -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Jul 28 15:14:55 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jul 28 15:14:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Visit from a List member, & a lava report In-Reply-To: <46AAC8A2.7BAB@Tomaszewski.net> References: <005801c7d0ca$a817ed20$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> <46AAC8A2.7BAB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46ABA17C00001F04@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Last Saturday I greeted Alan Goldstein and his wife, Debbie, and their daughters Rachel and Emily, as they got off the plane here in Hilo, with the traditional flower leis. The next day we went to the Volcanoes National Park, but were not able to see as much as we would have liked, because one of the most interesting sections of the park near Mauna Ulu is still closed because of recent earthquakes. The weather was mostly rainy and windy, and there was no red lava to be seen; that's the trouble with Mother Nature: she often fails to cooperate with humans! I had hoped to have the Goldsteins visit our home and see our collection, but they were on a tight schedule---only two days on the Hilo side, and then on to Kona. Nevertheless it was fun to meet a rockhound we've met in cyberspace. Almost as soon as they left, lava began to flow out of Pu'u O'o for the first time in over 15 years. If you search "Pu'u O'o lava" (I used Google News) you'll find several sites about the new flow, and a few pictures and a small video. The area is not visible to tourists, however, and the only safe way to observe is via helicopter; for the dangers, see: www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/13761887/detail.html Aloha, Kitty From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Jul 28 15:30:07 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Jul 28 15:31:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Visit from a List member, & a lava report References: <005801c7d0ca$a817ed20$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS><46AAC8A2.7BAB@Tomaszewski.net> <46ABA17C00001F04@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <004d01c7d166$dfde0f90$0200a8c0@Notebook> Kitty, Pu'u O'o?! Man I love language. You Hawaiian folks really should sell some of your vowels to the Welsh! John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jul 28 21:10:59 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jul 28 21:07:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip report -- Arrowhead Alpines Summer Rocks Show Message-ID: <46AC1283.204D@Tomaszewski.net> We had to travel across Michigan today to attend a 90th birthday party for one of my wife's aunts. Extending our drive home by about 10 miles (and 30 some minutes because of the road construction) let us stop at the Arrowhead Alpines Nursery's Summer Rocks show. We got there late in the day, but six of the seven dealers were still set up. My wife and youngest daughter lost me at the dealers, and went off looking for plants for our yard. They were quite pleased with what they had discovered upon their return. My goal was to find a yard rock to balance any mineral specimens I acquired. I must say it was the first time I've purchased a yard rock (going rate was roughly $1/lb. for the dealers, and Nursery, at the sale) that came with a label; Epidote, Microcline, Calcite, and Copper in Basalt, Butler Formation, Caledonia Mine, Greenlan, Ontonagon Co., Michigan, Collected Dec 2006 by Walter R. Kellogg. The label omitted Quartz (an unbroken, exposed, crystal, over 2 inches long, on the rock surface), and I think there is some Pumpellyite. Fair disclosure: I have been a satisfied customer of Walt in the past. He has been a dealer attending my club's annual show many times, on and off, over the years. Walt and I share an interest in growing trees. I also grow vegetables; my wife grows flowers. I was suprised to find Walt there. I found out Walt and the Nursery Owner share an interest in rockhounding, and that the Owner's son was one of the dealers I bought from. I did not meet the Owner, but I did say Hi to his wife in passing. It was my first visit to the Nursery. My coupon gave me an exotic new tree variety from China to grow in my yard. I got the coupon from the lady who cuts my hair. Coincidence put me at the right place at the right time. I came home with three significant specimens. The first was Aegerine with Microcline and Smoky Quartz (and something odd that I hope to identify). The second was Wolframite on Quartz and Arsenopyrite. The third was an outstanding Sulfur and Calcite on Limestone. I had a good day collecting with my silver pick. I wanted to buy some more rocks, but my wife didn't buy enough plants. I'm addicted, its not my fault that the van was not completely full of rocks and plants. It was a good trip, I hope to go back again. Fun show. Kreigh From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Jul 30 07:48:41 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Jul 30 07:48:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings through NoDak In-Reply-To: <83808.45093.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83808.45093.qm@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f001c7d2b8$b8fde190$6b01a8c0@okapi> *sigh* Too late... By 11 AM we were on the road. We DID find a GREAT agate shop in Savage, Montana: http://www.harmons.net/ Fine folks, and nice piles of rock. Now, we DID do a lot of roadside picking of rock. And I do mean ROCK. Sandstones, funky looking Spearfish fm. Gypsum, stuff like that, wacko looking pegmatites. I felt our van was like an old sailing ship with rocks for ballast! GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > minnesota_pebble_pup > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:16 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com:A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] I-90 Collected East of Billings > through NoDak > > Montana > Agate Shop > 925 NW Bypass > Great Falls MT 59404 > 406-453-7027 > Arrow Creek Gallery ..... From edvax at fairfaxminerals.com Mon Jul 30 20:02:15 2007 From: edvax at fairfaxminerals.com (Edward Reznichenko) Date: Mon Jul 30 20:05:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD] Mineral Flats and Boxes available Message-ID: <46AEA637.6080101@fairfaxminerals.com> I have various sizes of cardboard flats and mineral boxes for storing minerals. Please contact me off-list for further information. thank you much Ed Reznichenko Fairfax Mineral Co edvax@fairfaxminerals.com http://www.fairfaxminerals.com From corson at infodyn.com Mon Jul 30 20:08:23 2007 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Mon Jul 30 20:09:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> Hi all, I'm thinking of going up to Leadville, CO for the upcoming FM mineral symposium in a few weeks. My route will be basically: Tucson - Show Low - Holbrook - Gallup - Albuquerque - Santa Fe - Alamosa - Leadville. Any suggestions on collecting spots along the way would be most appreciated. Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite. Are there any sites which are still accessible and worthwhile (not under active claim or in someone's back yard)? Thanks in advance.... Regards, Tom Corson From dalerocks1 at cox.net Mon Jul 30 21:14:43 2007 From: dalerocks1 at cox.net (Richard) Date: Mon Jul 30 21:14:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> Message-ID: <007801c7d329$52ea5fc0$6801a8c0@DALEROCKS> Hey Tom, If you can hang around Colorado a while, the Buena Vista tailgate show "in the shadow of Mt. Antero" is a delight. It is Aug 9 - 12 this year, and often folks combine the show with collecting trips on the mountain. Sorry, I have no detailed advice for where you can dig, but there are lots of local folks at the show that can help. Cheers, Richard > Hi all, > > I'm thinking of going up to Leadville, CO for the upcoming FM mineral > symposium in a few weeks. > > My route will be basically: > > Tucson - Show Low - Holbrook - Gallup - Albuquerque - Santa Fe - Alamosa - > Leadville. > > Any suggestions on collecting spots along the way would be most > appreciated. > > Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite. Are there any > sites > which are still accessible and worthwhile (not under active claim or in > someone's back yard)? > > Thanks in advance.... > > Regards, > Tom Corson > From Paintricks at aol.com Mon Jul 30 21:45:02 2007 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 30 21:45:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? Message-ID: Hey Tom, You can Pan for gold in the Granite area. On the way in outside Beuna Vista to Leadville are good spots. Apache Tears can be collected near Nathrop at Ruby Mountain. Ruby is privately owned now so you can't get in there. I have a few of the last Garnets from there. They can still be panned out of the river tho. I have been to Antero and it's a big climb even with atv's or 4 wheel drives. Leave very early in the morning. Watch for the weather and lightning up there. It comes on you quick. Lot's of water and food. You'll need it. I have some nice aquamarine from there. The view is well worth the hike. It's like the moon up there. You can find smokey quarts there also. There's nice trout at Baldwin gulch on the way up. Some various mines too. I spend a lot of time in that area. Also check out Turet. I have found nice hydrothermal calcite there. It's just out of Bayou Vista off the road to Leadville over the Arkansas river towards Spiral Mountain. Enjoy Colorado. Kevin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 06:20:33 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Jul 31 06:20:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? In-Reply-To: <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> Message-ID: <408571.78225.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you take US 60 over to I-25 you'll go through Magdalena, where the Kelly Mine is available for fee collecting. You'll also go past the VLA radio telescope- an unusual sight. From Socorro, it's a short detour to Bingham. Stop at the Blanchard Rock Shop. They own the Desert Rose Mine, which is also a fee site- tetrahexahedral fluorites, among other things. Jim Daly Tom Corson wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking of going up to Leadville, CO for the upcoming FM mineral symposium in a few weeks. My route will be basically: Tucson - Show Low - Holbrook - Gallup - Albuquerque - Santa Fe - Alamosa - Leadville. Any suggestions on collecting spots along the way would be most appreciated. Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite. Are there any sites which are still accessible and worthwhile (not under active claim or in someone's back yard)? Thanks in advance.... Regards, Tom Corson -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 07:01:51 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jul 31 07:01:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? In-Reply-To: <408571.78225.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> <408571.78225.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you want to go to the mine from Blanchard's try to get there fairly early, before noon. It's a long drive to the mine. We got there late and thunderstorms were brewing when we went by. BK On 7/31/07, Jim Daly wrote: > If you take US 60 over to I-25 you'll go through Magdalena, where the Kelly Mine is available for fee collecting. You'll also go past the VLA radio telescope- an unusual sight. > From Socorro, it's a short detour to Bingham. Stop at the Blanchard Rock Shop. They own the Desert Rose Mine, which is also a fee site- tetrahexahedral fluorites, among other things. > Jim Daly > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Tue Jul 31 08:46:05 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Tue Jul 31 08:46:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Visit from a List member, & a lava report In-Reply-To: <46ABA17C00001F04@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <739734.76147.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Kitty for that link, it lead to interesting finds. Teri --- Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > Last Saturday I greeted Alan Goldstein and his wife, > Debbie, and > their daughters Rachel and Emily, as they got off > the plane here in > Hilo, with the traditional flower leis. The next > day we went to the > Volcanoes National Park, but were not able to see as > much as we would > have liked, because one of the most interesting > sections of the park > near Mauna Ulu is still closed because of recent > earthquakes. The > weather was mostly rainy and windy, and there was no > red lava to be > seen; that's the trouble with Mother Nature: she > often fails to > cooperate with humans! > > I had hoped to have the Goldsteins visit our home > and see our > collection, but they were on a tight schedule---only > two days on the > Hilo side, and then on to Kona. Nevertheless it was > fun to meet a > rockhound we've met in cyberspace. > > Almost as soon as they left, lava began to flow out > of Pu'u O'o for > the first time in over 15 years. If you search > "Pu'u O'o lava" (I > used Google News) you'll find several sites about > the new flow, and a > few pictures and a small video. The area is not > visible to tourists, > however, and the only safe way to observe is via > helicopter; for the > dangers, see: > > www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/13761887/detail.html > > Aloha, Kitty > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From ajs at frii.com Tue Jul 31 10:11:31 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Jul 31 10:11:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? In-Reply-To: <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> Message-ID: <20070731171131.BAF621CC08@io.frii.com> > Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite... I've lived in Colorado for 30 years, but the only amazonite I've ever found in the wild was a thumb-size crystal in Cherry Creek... in southeast Denver... while looking for petrified wood. :-) The guidebooks list a few places where you might hunt, including the top of Mount Antero. I've been up there a few times, but not found much of interest. I hear that serious digging is required nowadays, it's heavily hunted. Disclaimer: I'm mostly looking for tumble polishing stuff, not gems/minerals, so I haven't tried hard to find amazonite, etc. There might be "mineral locations" where you can still find it. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Tue Jul 31 10:50:29 2007 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Tue Jul 31 10:50:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20070731171131.BAF621CC08@io.frii.com> References: <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> <20070731171131.BAF621CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BA299@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> > Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite... I was led on a very brief trip to St. Peter's Dome in Colorado Springs by Raymond Berry several years back. I didn't find amazonite, other than wonderful specimens for sale by Ray, but the technique is to look for bits and pieces of quartz crystals on the hillside, dig down, and if you find more start digging uphill and follow the bits. If you start finding amazonite, albite, altered pegmatite you know you're getting close. It's a hit-or-miss method and most times you won't find anything. The goal is to find the original pocket the bits came from. Do your homework because many areas had restricted access and/or were under claims. Good luck, Peter Sparks -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jul 31 14:11:16 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 31 14:11:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium In-Reply-To: <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> Message-ID: <8C9A1CE77C59B5F-EE8-4D99@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Since Tom mentioned it, I realized that I ought to have posted something here to Rockhounds about the Friends of Mineralogy-Colorado Chapter, field symposium in Leadville this summer. It's a weekend meeting + field trips headquartered at the National Mining Hall of Fame & Museum in Leadville, August 24-26.? There's an evening talk at the Museum Friday, then a field trip to the Climax Molybdenum mine* on Saturday morning, a tour of the Mining Museum and another talk in the afternoon followed by a banquet Saturday evening, with a dinner talk by Ed Raines on the Leadville Mining District.? Sunday will be a field trip led by Ed around the Leadville mining areas. (*A historic tour of the famous Matchless Mine is an alternate option if registration exceeds the bus capacity (65) for the Climax trip.) Registration is just $20 (includes a box lunch on Saturday) plus an additional $20 for the banquet for those who wish to attend.? As of today, we still have room for more attendees (about 50 registered out of a maximum capacity of 75). You can find more information and a registration form on the FM website, http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/symposia.html or?write me (pmodreski@aol.com) or FM chapter president Richard Parsons (richard.parsons@att.net) and we'll email you the most up to date information. P.S. to Tom, the Contin-Tail is indeed a great event and worth going to.? When driving up US-285 through Nathrop, stop at the Prospector (Rock Doc) rock shop, which has a lot of stuff and is a great source of advice about local collecting. Ruby Mountain isn't totally closed to access; the back (east) side is still public land and open and you can walk to the top there and still, I'm told, find garnets as well as tiny Apache Tears in perlite on the slope going up, but the "good stuff" of easily breakable rock in the huge talus pile at the west river-facing bottom of the hill is all closed off as private home sites.? A pity. Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Tom Corson To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 9:08 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? Hi all, I'm thinking of going up to Leadville, CO for the upcoming FM mineral symposium in a few weeks. My route will be basically: Tucson - Show Low - Holbrook - Gallup - Albuquerque - Santa Fe - Alamosa - Leadville. Any suggestions on collecting spots along the way would be most appreciated. Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite. Are there any sites which are still accessible and worthwhile (not under active claim or in someone's back yard)? Thanks in advance.... Regards, Tom Corson -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Tue Jul 31 14:34:11 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Tue Jul 31 14:34:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium In-Reply-To: <8C9A1CE77C59B5F-EE8-4D99@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> <8C9A1CE77C59B5F-EE8-4D99@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7dava3lg57kl1uag01vkmprgt1iil9t0fl@4ax.com> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:11:16 -0400, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Since Tom mentioned it, I realized that I ought to have posted something here to Rockhounds about the Friends of Mineralogy-Colorado Chapter, field symposium in Leadville this summer. > >It's a weekend meeting + field trips headquartered at the National Mining Hall of Fame & Museum in Leadville, August 24-26.? There's an evening talk at the Museum Friday, then a field trip to the Climax Molybdenum mine* on Saturday morning, a tour of the Mining Museum and another talk in the afternoon followed by a banquet Saturday evening, with a dinner talk by Ed Raines on the Leadville Mining District.? Sunday will be a field trip led by Ed around the Leadville mining areas. (*A historic tour of the famous Matchless Mine is an alternate option if registration exceeds the bus capacity (65) for the Climax trip.) This is the Henderson mine? Years ago, as a software engineer for a process control company, I spent a week at the Henderson mill, at the end of a 14 mile tunnel to the mine. I remember huge chunks of pyrite in the tailings. While there, I got directions to a small lake which had lots of petrified wood. > >Registration is just $20 (includes a box lunch on Saturday) plus an additional $20 for the banquet for those who wish to attend.? As of today, we still have room for more attendees (about 50 registered out of a maximum capacity of 75). > >You can find more information and a registration form on the FM website, http://www.friendsofmineralogy.org/symposia.html >or?write me (pmodreski@aol.com) or FM chapter president Richard Parsons (richard.parsons@att.net) and we'll email you the most up to date information. > >P.S. to Tom, the Contin-Tail is indeed a great event and worth going to.? When driving up US-285 through Nathrop, stop at the Prospector (Rock Doc) rock shop, which has a lot of stuff and is a great source of advice about local collecting. >Ruby Mountain isn't totally closed to access; the back (east) side is still public land and open and you can walk to the top there and still, I'm told, find garnets as well as tiny Apache Tears in perlite on the slope going up, but the "good stuff" of easily breakable rock in the huge talus pile at the west river-facing bottom of the hill is all closed off as private home sites.? A pity. > >Pete Modreski > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Corson >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Sent: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 9:08 pm >Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions? > > > >Hi all, > >I'm thinking of going up to Leadville, CO for the upcoming FM mineral >symposium in a few weeks. > >My route will be basically: > >Tucson - Show Low - Holbrook - Gallup - Albuquerque - Santa Fe - Alamosa - >Leadville. > >Any suggestions on collecting spots along the way would be most appreciated. > >Also, I've always wanted to collect Colorado Amazonite. Are there any sites >which are still accessible and worthwhile (not under active claim or in >someone's back yard)? > >Thanks in advance.... > >Regards, >Tom Corson > -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jul 31 15:07:52 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 31 15:08:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium In-Reply-To: <7dava3lg57kl1uag01vkmprgt1iil9t0fl@4ax.com> References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> <8C9A1CE77C59B5F-EE8-4D99@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <7dava3lg57kl1uag01vkmprgt1iil9t0fl@4ax.com> Message-ID: <8C9A1D65FD5E28F-EE8-5154@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Al, No, two different mines (both moly mines, owned by the same company).? The Climax mine, the first big moly mine in Colorado (and the world I presume) is located right at the summit of Fremont Pass,?north of?Leadville on the way to Copper Mountain (the ski area).? It is both an open pit and underground mine, but has been shut down for some years now--hence no active mining, no new rock being blasted & exposed.? They are planning to get it ready for renewed operation, though.? Our August 25 tour will be only of the surface open pit workings. The Henderson mine is strictly underground, has been continuously open, & is located near Berthoud Pass--mine entrance on the east side above Empire, and the crushers & recovery plant many miles away via underground conveyor belt, on the West Slope north of Dillon. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Al Balmer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:11:16 -0400, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Since Tom mentioned it, I realized that I ought to have posted something here to Rockhounds about the Friends of Mineralogy-Colorado Chapter, field symposium in Leadville this summer. > >It's a weekend meeting + field trips headquartered at the National Mining Hall of Fame & Museum in Leadville, August 24-26.? There's an evening talk at the Museum Friday, then a field trip to the Climax Molybdenum mine* on Saturday morning, a tour of the Mining Museum and another talk in the afternoon followed by a banquet Saturday evening, with a dinner talk by Ed Raines on the Leadville Mining District.? Sunday will be a field trip led by Ed around the Leadville mining areas. (*A historic tour of the famous Matchless Mine is an alternate option if registration exceeds the bus capacity (65) for the Climax trip.) This is the Henderson mine? Years ago, as a software engineer for a process control company, I spent a week at the Henderson mill, at the end of a 14 mile tunnel to the mine. I remember huge chunks of pyrite in the tailings. While there, I got directions to a small lake which had lots of petrified wood. > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Tue Jul 31 15:48:23 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Tue Jul 31 15:48:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium In-Reply-To: <8C9A1D65FD5E28F-EE8-5154@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> <8C9A1CE77C59B5F-EE8-4D99@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <7dava3lg57kl1uag01vkmprgt1iil9t0fl@4ax.com> <8C9A1D65FD5E28F-EE8-5154@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:07:52 -0400, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >Al, > >No, two different mines (both moly mines, owned by the same company).? The Climax mine, the first big moly mine in Colorado (and the world I presume) is located right at the summit of Fremont Pass,?north of?Leadville on the way to Copper Mountain (the ski area).? It is both an open pit and underground mine, but has been shut down for some years now--hence no active mining, no new rock being blasted & exposed.? They are planning to get it ready for renewed operation, though.? Our August 25 tour will be only of the surface open pit workings. I think I remember now. I drove down to see (from a distance) the other mine. They'd taken away half the mountain. I remember stopping at an overlook (overlooking a cyanide lake, I think) and meeting a fellow whose job was wandering around the mountains looking for abandoned gold mines. That was a long time ago (late '80s). > >The Henderson mine is strictly underground, has been continuously open, & is located near Berthoud Pass--mine entrance on the east side above Empire, and the crushers & recovery plant many miles away via underground conveyor belt, on the West Slope north of Dillon. That's where I was. I stayed in Dillon (Silverthorne side, actually) and drove up the mountain every day. They told me the tunnel was dug by hand - pick, shovel, and blasting powder. I wonder if that's right, since Google says the mine opened in 1976. Seems like there would have been modern tunneling equipment. > >Pete > >-----Original Message----- >From: Al Balmer >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 3:34 pm >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium > > > >On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:11:16 -0400, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > >>Since Tom mentioned it, I realized that I ought to have posted something here >to Rockhounds about the Friends of Mineralogy-Colorado Chapter, field symposium >in Leadville this summer. >> >>It's a weekend meeting + field trips headquartered at the National Mining Hall >of Fame & Museum in Leadville, August 24-26.? There's an evening talk at the >Museum Friday, then a field trip to the Climax Molybdenum mine* on Saturday >morning, a tour of the Mining Museum and another talk in the afternoon followed >by a banquet Saturday evening, with a dinner talk by Ed Raines on the Leadville >Mining District.? Sunday will be a field trip led by Ed around the Leadville >mining areas. (*A historic tour of the famous Matchless Mine is an alternate >option if registration exceeds the bus capacity (65) for the Climax trip.) > >This is the Henderson mine? Years ago, as a software engineer for a >process control company, I spent a week at the Henderson mill, at the >end of a 14 mile tunnel to the mine. I remember huge chunks of pyrite >in the tailings. > >While there, I got directions to a small lake which had lots of >petrified wood. >> > > >________________________________________________________________________ >AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From corson at infodyn.com Tue Jul 31 18:10:23 2007 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Tue Jul 31 18:10:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium Message-ID: <000001c7d3d8$bc8fb600$610fa8c0@Grimble> Thanks everyone for all the good info! Looks like I have some homework/planning to do... Regards, TC --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jul 31 18:55:40 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jul 31 18:52:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Mexico / Colorado trip suggestions + Leadville Symposium References: <200707310101.l6V112AC000773@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <031101c7d320$0eb9a490$610fa8c0@Grimble> <8C9A1CE77C59B5F-EE8-4D99@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> <7dava3lg57kl1uag01vkmprgt1iil9t0fl@4ax.com> <8C9A1D65FD5E28F-EE8-5154@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46AFE761.81@Tomaszewski.net> Al Balmer wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:07:52 -0400, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > >Al, > > > >The Henderson mine is strictly underground, has been continuously open, & is located near Berthoud Pass--mine entrance on the east side above Empire, and the crushers & recovery plant many miles away via underground conveyor belt, on the West Slope north of Dillon. > > That's where I was. I stayed in Dillon (Silverthorne side, actually) > and drove up the mountain every day. They told me the tunnel was dug > by hand - pick, shovel, and blasting powder. I wonder if that's right, > since Google says the mine opened in 1976. Seems like there would have > been modern tunneling equipment. If you would like a good writeup on the Henderson Mine and its Geology I invite you to visit http://www.warnercnr.colostate.edu/geo/airie/documents/ShannonetalHenderson2004GSAfieldguide.pdf and be warned that the long URL will probably wrap. The paper is a day field trip for geology students and includes an underground tour and a surface tour. I sure wish I could find a collecting guide like this for every location I want to visit. Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jul 31 19:01:37 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jul 31 19:01:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Visit from a List member, & a lava report References: <739734.76147.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004b01c7d3df$e4f026a0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I'm back on the listserve again. We had quite a trip and I thank Kitty profusely for her hospitality. As she mentioned, we were on a tight schedule. That was compounded by the change in time zones of six hours so eating at 6 pm was eating at midnight a few days earlier! I would have loved to have gone to her house, but by the time we got back to the hotel, utter exhaustion had set in. In fact, I can say that it happened every night! In the morning my daughters had the hots to head to the other side of the island to do some snorkeling. I often try to get together with folks having similar interests, but it is often a challenge because the rest of the family wants to go in a different direction. Usually I meet folks while the family does something else (i.e. hang around the hotel room or drive elsewhere). Once the kids are completely on their own, I think the pace of our trips will be different. Hectic but not frenetic. I wanted to get things back to normal around the house before resubscribing to the listserve. Came back just in time for the strongest & longest heat wave of the summer. Lucky me! ;>) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa jetter" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Visit from a List member, & a lava report > Thank you Kitty for that link, it lead to interesting > finds. > Teri > > --- Kitty & Bill Heacox > wrote: > >> Last Saturday I greeted Alan Goldstein and his wife, >> Debbie, and >> their daughters Rachel and Emily, as they got off >> the plane here in >> Hilo, with the traditional flower leis. The next >> day we went to the >> Volcanoes National Park, but were not able to see as >> much as we would >> have liked, because one of the most interesting >> sections of the park >> near Mauna Ulu is still closed because of recent >> earthquakes. The >> weather was mostly rainy and windy, and there was no >> red lava to be >> seen; that's the trouble with Mother Nature: she >> often fails to >> cooperate with humans! >> >> I had hoped to have the Goldsteins visit our home >> and see our >> collection, but they were on a tight schedule---only >> two days on the >> Hilo side, and then on to Kona. Nevertheless it was >> fun to meet a >> rockhound we've met in cyberspace. >> >> Almost as soon as they left, lava began to flow out >> of Pu'u O'o for >> the first time in over 15 years. If you search >> "Pu'u O'o lava" (I >> used Google News) you'll find several sites about >> the new flow, and a >> few pictures and a small video. The area is not >> visible to tourists, >> however, and the only safe way to observe is via >> helicopter; for the >> dangers, see: >> >> www.thehawaiichannel.com/news/13761887/detail.html >> >> Aloha, Kitty >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From folmstead at rcn.com Tue Jul 31 19:15:42 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Tue Jul 31 19:15:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Swatara Park, PA In-Reply-To: <408571.78225.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <408571.78225.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46AFECCE.6070701@rcn.com> >Hello ... all. > A question... Swatara Park, PA I know that the ( some ) material from Swatara Gap was moved to the park so we rockhounds could sort through the "stuff". Have you been there lately? My question..... Is it worth a 3+ hour trip from my house to sort through this material???? Thankzzz GeorgiaO --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jul 31 22:31:20 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jul 31 22:31:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] when volcanoes drop bombs: giant crystal payload Message-ID: <46B01AA8.8040706@verizon.net> Howdy, Today I was in the lab down the road at Washington State U. and traded some of my specimens for someone's water-clear feldspars. He also had this, which he let me photograph. It is a volcanic bomb from near Spencer, Idaho. The feldpsar crystal inside it is 6 cm long! It is also fluorescent a dull, but saturated, deep red under SW UV. I am going to x-ray some of the smaller pieces tomorrow to find out what flavor of feldspar it is. Finding something like this is much like spilling a small bowl of cake batter and finding a perfectly baked cupcake inside it. The photo lost a little crispness when I converted from TIF to JPG but I think it still conveys the wonder. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/feldsparbomblet.jpg Another shot that shows the volcanic bomblet texture a little better. I was running around the hall looking for the best window light to photograph while the lab manager was warming up the mass spectrometer. The crystal was perfect before the matrix broke open! http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/bombletside.jpg This is what I really do most of the time these days--fire a high-powered laser to blast a path 0.03 millimeter wide and 1.2 millimeter long into micro feldpsar crystals that are from 0.5 to 1.5 millimeter long, in order to vaporize the mineral and look for trace elements and isotopes. Despite the sound of it, this is the most dreary and tedious thing a mineralogist can do, ever. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/laserfeldspar.jpg Good night, Don