From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 1 06:05:01 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 1 06:05:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> Message-ID: <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid because you can make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink up the house. Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less aggressive than muric acid (basically HCl). You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the drugstore (BTW: is the guy behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug dealer???) Worth a try? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Berry Enterprises > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 0:27 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > I just returned from a productive field trip to the Yellow > Cat area near Moab, Utah. A couple from Kentucky joined us, > who had quartz geodes and calcite geodes to share. They had > cleaned them with Super Iron Out from Walmart. It did a > beautiful job and did not seem to harm the crystals. They > did not add anything to it. They had before and after > samples to show. Very impressive. > > Katie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors'" > > Sent: May 06, 2007 3:53 AM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now > Acetic acid > > > Kreigh, > > > ....day. Removing a full mm will probably take a day to two. > > I guessed something along hose lines. Thanks! I'll let you > know what happens > with it... > > > soluable, than mine. With a 2 mm crystal you don't want to > > remove too much matrix. > > Especially if it's a tetrahexahedral (or hedric?) crystal as > Nathan Martin > suggests. > > > But I think the real problem is how to bring your dead > > soldiers home after collecting rocks. You don't want to leave > > a comrade in arms out in the field. Maybe the solution is to > > make a cart to carry your rocks and use kegs for the wheels. > > Kegs??? What a wonderfully ecologic solution... Drink the > barrel empty and > then use it o reinvent the wheel... ;-)))) > > This may come as a shock and it may shatter all stereotypical > images that > people have about Belgians but... All we took was water! > Plastic bottles > that are light to carry in and easily flattened when empty to > make room for > rocks ;-)))) > The beer is usually consumed with lunch and with pleasure. > > Axel > > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > Kreigh, > > > > > > Have you any idea what beer weighs? I mean the sizeable quantities > > > that a Belgian would find worth while taking with him into > > the quarry. > > > Then, should we find ample specimens, we cannot qarry > both the beer > > > AND the rocks from the cuarry. > > > There will be no prisoners taken... Survivors will have to > > be drunk at > > > the site. > > > Then again...sloshing up all the way to the car we realize that > > > drinking up all the beer does NOT rid us of its weight. > > > Luckily, without any waist of time the beer goes straight > > to the waste > > > so we can hoist each other out of the quarry by our love-handles. > > > This to demonstrate that Belgian beer DOES affect the human brain. > > > > > > Now, somewhat more to the point: as usual, my wife found the most > > > remarkable specimen of an otherwise dull day. It's a small 2 mm > > > crystal of very dark blue (like azurite) fluorite. It's remarkable > > > because the fluorite has a habit that lies somewhere > > between cubic and > > > octahedral, closer to cubic. I never saw one like that before. > > > It sticks out of the massive calcite matrix for about 1/3 > > but I would > > > like to see more of it exposed. So, I plan to soak it in plain > > > kitchen-strength acetic acid, vinegar. > > > How long should I fizzle it? Any idea? Someone? > > > The fluorites that catch my attention are usually much larger and > > > fluorescent as I don't collect micromounts. This one's special > > > though...maybe even worth a photo. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > > > > Tomaszewski > > > > Verzonden: maandag 30 april 2007 1:54 > > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > > collectors > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Questions about Oxalic Acid and > > > > Cleaning Quartz > > > > > > > > Azel, > > > > > > > > Make micromounts. (With a side of beer after that hot > collecting). > > > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kreigh wrote > > > > > > > > > > > On some days, like today, my sunshine is a bit diffused > > > > from all the > > > > > > clouds, but at least we're seeing sunshine. Better than a > > > > few months > > > > > > ago when we were going to and from work in the snow > > and the dark. > > > > > > Spring is finally here. > > > > > > > > > > No, summer is here... We have been sweating in temperatures > > > > from 24? > > > > > up to 30?C for two weeks now. Last Theusday we ate in our > > > > garden and > > > > > stayed there until 1 AM. It has not rained here yet > this month. > > > > > April 2007 will go in the history books as the dryest... > > > > Wheather man > > > > > says at least 5 records will be pulverized. > > > > > Tropical Belgium? Next we'll be brewing palmbeer ;-))) > > Did three > > > > > quarries last Sunday... Brought home 1 fluorite crystal of > > > > about 2 mm > > > > > , some minute aragonite (Resteigne) and some > fluorescing calcite > > > > > (Beez) that is also too small to make a display... Small > > > > country, small minerals? > > > > > ;-))) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 06:16:11 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 1 06:16:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net> <000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net> <001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net> <001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on this side of the pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and works quite well removing Fe. But I believe Acetic is actually a strong acid, I'll have to look up the Ka for Citric. Acetic is about 2X10e-5 and Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so you can see Oxalic is much stronger. BK On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid because you can > make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink up the house. > Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less aggressive than muric > acid (basically HCl). > You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the drugstore (BTW: is the > guy > behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug dealer???) > Worth a try? > > Axel > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jun 1 08:43:50 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jun 1 08:43:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass In-Reply-To: <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> A friend of mine in the glass biz is getting some sort of contamination on sheet glass as it goes through an annealing furnace. It's a very, VERY, thin layer of something. We were trying to noodle out how to figure out what the stuff was and I thought that perhaps a microprobe would do the trick. My friend says that, under a loupe, he sees small dendrites. So... Two questions: - am I on the right track with this? - does anyone know anybody in the Portland, OR area that can do this? Thanks! Gary Brown Catspaw Minerals Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk http://www.catspaw-minerals.com From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jun 1 09:04:48 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:04:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass In-Reply-To: <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <466043A0.1030101@verizon.net> Gary Brown wrote: > A friend of mine in the glass biz is getting some sort of contamination on > sheet glass as it goes through an annealing furnace. It's a very, VERY, > thin layer of something. We were trying to noodle out how to figure out > what the stuff was and I thought that perhaps a microprobe would do the > trick. My friend says that, under a loupe, he sees small dendrites. So... > Two questions: > > - am I on the right track with this? > > - does anyone know anybody in the Portland, OR area that can do this? The Geoanalytical Lab at Washington State University in Pullman will do commercial work. If you have no idea what it is, it may be better to run it under a mass spectrometer. The lab has both; you can contact them for their commerical rates. http://www.sees.wsu.edu/Geolab/index.html Don From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 1 09:46:23 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 1 09:46:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com><46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Absolutely true, Bryan. However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as concentrated hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and its fumes can really disable a person (if you heat it). I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of oxalic and acetic acid. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 14:16 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on this > side of the pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and > works quite well removing Fe. But I believe Acetic is > actually a strong acid, I'll have to look up the Ka for > Citric. Acetic is about 2X10e-5 and Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so > you can see Oxalic is much stronger. > > BK > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid > because you > > can make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink > up the house. > > Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less aggressive than > > muric acid (basically HCl). > > You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the drugstore (BTW: is > > the guy behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug > > dealer???) Worth a try? > > > > Axel > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 10:17:46 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:17:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net> <001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net> <001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: I found some info on Citric in the Merck Index and it does look like it is a bit stronger than Acetic. pH of a 0.1 M solution is 2.2 for Citric and 2.9for Acetic. BK On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Absolutely true, Bryan. > However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as concentrated > hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and its fumes can > really disable a person (if you heat it). > I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of oxalic and > acetic > acid. > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 14:16 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > > now Acetic acid > > > > You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on this > > side of the pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and > > works quite well removing Fe. But I believe Acetic is > > actually a strong acid, I'll have to look up the Ka for > > Citric. Acetic is about 2X10e-5 and Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so > > you can see Oxalic is much stronger. > > > > BK > > > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid > > because you > > > can make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink > > up the house. > > > Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less aggressive than > > > muric acid (basically HCl). > > > You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the drugstore (BTW: is > > > the guy behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug > > > dealer???) Worth a try? > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jun 1 10:54:42 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 1 10:54:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net> <000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net> <001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net> <001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <465DC0CA0006AA56@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Off-topic comment: I seem to recall from when I used to do B&W photo printing in a darkroom that glacial acetic acid was used in very dilute form as "stop bath," and that is what gave the darkroom the classic odor (although the fixer also had a slight smell). Aloha, Kitty At 06:46 AM 6/1/2007, you wrote: >Absolutely true, Bryan. >However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as concentrated >hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and its fumes can >really disable a person (if you heat it). >I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of oxalic and acetic >acid. > >Cheers > >Axel From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 1 11:17:30 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 1 11:17:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <465DC0CA0006AA56@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com><46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <465DC0CA0006AA56@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <000001c7a479$1e2d93d0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Diluted to about 7% glacial acetic acid would be just vinegar. I have no idea of the concentration you would have used.... The other odor... Sodiumthiosulfate? It would only smell when in contact with the acetic acid I stink, pardon...think. The Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 18:55 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > Off-topic comment: > > I seem to recall from when I used to do B&W photo printing in > a darkroom that glacial acetic acid was used in very dilute > form as "stop bath," and that is what gave the darkroom the > classic odor (although the fixer also had a slight smell). > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 06:46 AM 6/1/2007, you wrote: > >Absolutely true, Bryan. > >However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as > concentrated > >hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and its > fumes can > >really disable a person (if you heat it). > >I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of > oxalic and > >acetic acid. > > > >Cheers > > > >Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 1 11:24:35 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 1 11:24:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is always hated that and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost succeeded in suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 18:18 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > I found some info on Citric in the Merck Index and it does > look like it is a bit stronger than Acetic. pH of a 0.1 M > solution is 2.2 for Citric and 2.9for Acetic. > > BK > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Absolutely true, Bryan. > > However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as > concentrated > > hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and > its fumes can > > really disable a person (if you heat it). > > I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of > oxalic and > > acetic acid. > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J > Bryan Kramer > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 14:16 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now > > > Acetic acid > > > > > > You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on > this side of > > > the pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and works quite > > > well removing Fe. But I believe Acetic is actually a strong acid, > > > I'll have to look up the Ka for Citric. Acetic is about > 2X10e-5 and > > > Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so you can see Oxalic is much stronger. > > > > > > BK > > > > > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > > > Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid > > > because you > > > > can make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink > > > up the house. > > > > Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less > aggressive than > > > > muric acid (basically HCl). > > > > You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the > drugstore (BTW: > > > > is the guy behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug > > > > dealer???) Worth a try? > > > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 11:34:15 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 1 11:34:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net> <001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: Heh, I better not forget it since I deal with lab work every day. BK On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is always hated that > and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost succeeded in > suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Fri Jun 1 12:48:01 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Fri Jun 1 12:48:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <20070601194801.31ADD1CC08@io.frii.com> > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. And dissolve teeth, so swallow it, don't swill it... Likewise, avoid chewing aspirin (says an article in Science News a while ago). Cheers, Alan Silverstein From Alpen at aol.com Fri Jun 1 12:53:59 2007 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 1 12:54:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds: Yellowcat Message-ID: Katie, What were you able find at Yellowcat? Did you find some limb casts? How hot was it? And did you have any trouble with mud on the road in? I would love to get out there before it gets too hot to stand. I would love to hear about your trip. Eric In a message dated 5/31/2007 7:02:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:27:02 -0600 From: "Berry Enterprises" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" I just returned from a productive field trip to the Yellow Cat area near Moab, Utah. A couple from Kentucky joined us, who had quartz geodes and calcite geodes to share. They had cleaned them with Super Iron Out from Walmart. It did a beautiful job and did not seem to harm the crystals. They did not add anything to it. They had before and after samples to show. Very impressive. Katie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 12:54:35 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Fri Jun 1 12:54:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <20070601194801.31ADD1CC08@io.frii.com> References: <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <20070601194801.31ADD1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040706011254u3a81d59m5955ff456e52319e@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/07, Alan Silverstein wrote: > > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > And dissolve teeth, so swallow it, don't swill it... > > Likewise, avoid chewing aspirin (says an article in Science News a while > ago). Oh no... my "works-everytime headache cure" is to take a Goody's or BC powder and hold it in the mouth for 30 seconds or so... by the time I drink some water, the headache is gone! Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Alpen at aol.com Fri Jun 1 12:54:52 2007 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 1 12:55:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Collecting out west Message-ID: Alan, Where is this program going to be held? Eric In a message dated 5/31/2007 7:02:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:23:59 -0400 From: "Alan Goldstein" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <004501c7a3e3$261989a0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sounds like the couple from Frankfort in our club. They're giving a program on collecting out west in about 3 weeks. They retired from state government and now drive around the country (mostly western US) collecting. Alan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 1 15:00:40 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:00:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <20070601194801.31ADD1CC08@io.frii.com> References: <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <20070601194801.31ADD1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <000601c7a498$4b6d3160$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Acetyl salicylate, the working agent in aspirine, is indeed quite acidic. Salicylic acid is even stronger. It was/is used in ointments that eat away at calices and corns. It works slow but it will burn through skin given time. Can't be used for minerals though since it's insoluble or only slighly soluble in water. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Alan Silverstein > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 20:48 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > And dissolve teeth, so swallow it, don't swill it... > > Likewise, avoid chewing aspirin (says an article in Science > News a while ago). > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 1 15:02:51 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:02:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP><000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000701c7a498$99716c00$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Me too but my work involves more physics than wet chemistry. XRF, rheology, spectroscopy etc... A > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 19:34 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > Heh, I better not forget it since I deal with lab work every day. > > BK > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is > always hated > > that and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost > > succeeded in suppressing the memory and now you brought it > all back... Sigh... > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Fri Jun 1 15:19:56 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:12:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass In-Reply-To: <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: An intriguing technical mystery. If your friend in the glass business does discover what contaminant material or out-of-whack process condition is causing the dendritic growth on the glass surface I for one would be very interested to hear what it may have turned out to be. Keep us posted? Cheers, Hans Durstling Moncton, Canada =============== > > From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Jun 1 15:24:46 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:24:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass In-Reply-To: References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <005c01c7a49b$a99922a0$6b01a8c0@okapi> Will do! It's fun being able to draw on my mineralogy background to help out in my art area. WHAT??? Gary's an ARTIST TOO??? Yup... Check out: http://www.fusedlight.com Click on the "MNArtists" link to see my stuff. By the way... The top image is a geology inspired piece. I'll be getting a Real Big Kiln in a couple of weeks, so stay tuned for some bigger pieces. GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Hans Durstling > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:20 PM > To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass > > An intriguing technical mystery. If your friend in the glass > business does discover what contaminant material or > out-of-whack process condition is causing the dendritic > growth on the glass surface I for one would be very > interested to hear what it may have turned out to be. > Keep us posted? > > Cheers, > Hans Durstling > Moncton, Canada From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jun 1 15:33:37 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:34:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass (II) In-Reply-To: <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <46609EC1.1030604@verizon.net> Gary Brown wrote: > A friend of mine in the glass biz is getting some sort of contamination on > sheet glass as it goes through an annealing furnace. I was just thinking--we often run x-ray diffraction on thin films of clay and various trace evidence on glass. This sample might, just might, diffract. The problem with either microprobe or ICP-MS is that you are going to analyze more of the underlying glass than the contaminant film. You will get a sense of what elements are there, but not in the correct stoichiometric proportions. However that may not be necessary. If, for example, the gas nozzles in the furnace are made of platinum, and there is platinum in the film, it is a safe bet that platinum is sputtering off the nozzles. On the other hand, if they use bottled argon as an inert gas in the annealing chamber, and there is mercury in the film, you might look toward contaminants in the bottled gas (for some reason there is always some trace mercury in commercial argon tanks). Things like that. Don From gene at fossilnut.com Fri Jun 1 15:34:05 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Fri Jun 1 15:34:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com><46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <005a01c7a49c$f792b970$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Citric is a weaker acid than acetic. Hydroxyacetic or glycolic acid is stronger yet and is a component in some of the scale and iron removal products along with sulfamic acid. These can cause burns as can many acids but they don't ahve much vapor pressure, hence odor. With chemical resistant gloves and eye protection you should be in good shape. These acids will do a great job on limey deposits and a decent job on iron. For iron alone the Waller solution method (or commercial versions of this) is still my favorite. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid > You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on this side of the > pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and works quite well removing > Fe. But I believe Acetic is actually a strong acid, I'll have to look up > the > Ka for Citric. Acetic is about 2X10e-5 and Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so you > can > see Oxalic is much stronger. > > BK > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: >> >> Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid because you >> can >> make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink up the house. >> Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less aggressive than muric >> acid (basically HCl). >> You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the drugstore (BTW: is the >> guy >> behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug dealer???) >> Worth a try? >> >> Axel >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 1 16:41:20 2007 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Fri Jun 1 16:41:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <840189.56257.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's not like they could really keep something like phosphoric acid secret, but according to WikiAnswers: "Published accounts say it contains or once contained sugar, caramel, caffeine, phosphoric acid, coca leaf and kola nut extract, lime extract, flavoring mixture, vanilla and glycerin. Alleged syrup recipes vary greatly, and Coca-Cola reluctantly admits the formula has changed over the decades. In a much-publicized corporate disaster, Coca-Cola introduced New Coke in 1985. After public outcry, the recipe was restored to the original formula." J Bryan Kramer wrote: Heh, I better not forget it since I deal with lab work every day. BK On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is always hated that > and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost succeeded in > suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Fri Jun 1 17:32:30 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Fri Jun 1 17:24:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass (II) In-Reply-To: <46609EC1.1030604@verizon.net> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> <46609EC1.1030604@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8d848e88786f3ab486d40c7c08ad00fc@nbnet.nb.ca> Exactly. I was thinking of furnace gas contamination (maybe sulfur?) or what process parameters might have changed (new fuel supplier? new supplier of raw glass?). Something surely must have changed to cause the condition. It's fun to speculate, play armchair process engineer. Cheers, Hans On 1-Jun-07, at 7:33 PM, DonH wrote: > Gary Brown wrote: >> A friend of mine in the glass biz is getting some sort of >> contamination on >> sheet glass as it goes through an annealing furnace. > > > I was just thinking--we often run x-ray diffraction on thin films of > clay and various trace evidence on glass. This sample might, just > might, diffract. The problem with either microprobe or ICP-MS is that > you are going to analyze more of the underlying glass than the > contaminant film. You will get a sense of what elements are there, > but not in the correct stoichiometric proportions. However that may > not be necessary. If, for example, the gas nozzles in the furnace are > made of platinum, and there is platinum in the film, it is a safe bet > that platinum is sputtering off the nozzles. On the other hand, if > they use bottled argon as an inert gas in the annealing chamber, and > there is mercury in the film, you might look toward contaminants in > the bottled gas (for some reason there is always some trace mercury in > commercial argon tanks). Things like that. > > Don > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Jun 1 17:39:34 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Jun 1 17:39:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid References: <840189.56257.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c7a4ae$7e88ae60$23faf604@TheBlackAdder> Flint's right, it is phosphoric acid. Not much of it, but it's there. Acetic acid would make Coke smell like vinnegar. Erich Kern ----- Original Message ----- From: Flint Smith To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid It's not like they could really keep something like phosphoric acid secret, but according to WikiAnswers: "Published accounts say it contains or once contained sugar, caramel, caffeine, phosphoric acid, coca leaf and kola nut extract, lime extract, flavoring mixture, vanilla and glycerin. Alleged syrup recipes vary greatly, and Coca-Cola reluctantly admits the formula has changed over the decades. In a much-publicized corporate disaster, Coca-Cola introduced New Coke in 1985. After public outcry, the recipe was restored to the original formula." J Bryan Kramer wrote: Heh, I better not forget it since I deal with lab work every day. BK On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is always hated that > and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost succeeded in > suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 1 19:50:36 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 1 19:50:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <4660DAF2.32A5@Tomaszewski.net> Gary, Dendrites and microcrystals on glass, visible with a loupe. Can you spell 'micromount'? How does one go about getting a sample of this glass? BTW, I suspect you would get an ID by sharing samples with experienced micromounters. As for positively identifying the substance, I would think that most/any nearby college or university would have a science department that would be able to complete an identification, at a reasonable price, as a real-life teaching opportunity for their students. Partnerships between academe and business can be profitable for both. Kreigh Gary Brown wrote: > > A friend of mine in the glass biz is getting some sort of contamination on > sheet glass as it goes through an annealing furnace. It's a very, VERY, > thin layer of something. We were trying to noodle out how to figure out > what the stuff was and I thought that perhaps a microprobe would do the > trick. My friend says that, under a loupe, he sees small dendrites. So... > Two questions: > > - am I on the right track with this? > > - does anyone know anybody in the Portland, OR area that can do this? > > Thanks! > > Gary Brown > Catspaw Minerals > Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > Content-Length: 3176 From albalmer at att.net Fri Jun 1 23:47:00 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Jun 1 23:47:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <002601c7a4ae$7e88ae60$23faf604@TheBlackAdder> References: <840189.56257.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002601c7a4ae$7e88ae60$23faf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:39:34 -0700, "Erich Kern" wrote: > >Flint's right, it is phosphoric acid. Not much of it, but it's there. > >Acetic acid would make Coke smell like vinnegar. > >Erich Kern > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Flint Smith >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:41 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid > > >It's not like they could really keep something like phosphoric acid secret, but >according to WikiAnswers: > >"Published accounts say it contains or once contained sugar, caramel, caffeine, phosphoric acid, coca leaf and kola nut extract, lime extract, flavoring mixture, vanilla and glycerin. Alleged syrup recipes vary greatly, and Coca-Cola reluctantly admits the formula has changed over the decades. In a much-publicized corporate disaster, Coca-Cola introduced New Coke in 1985. After public outcry, the recipe was restored to the original formula." > When I was young, the corner soda fountain had not only sodas, but phosphates. They contained phosphoric acid. > >J Bryan Kramer wrote: Heh, I better not forget it since I deal with lab work every day. > >BK > >On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: >> >> It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. >> >> I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is always hated that >> and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost succeeded in >> suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... >> -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jun 2 02:00:30 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jun 2 02:00:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <840189.56257.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <840189.56257.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c7a4f4$791763e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> The phosphoric acid would account for the pH of Coke being below 2. Citric acid alone can't do that. The low concentrations of phosphoric acid in household cleaning gels make those great for cleaning pyrite and other minerals with metallic luster. So, a coke make revive your dull pyrite??? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Flint Smith > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 juni 2007 0:41 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > It's not like they could really keep something like > phosphoric acid secret, but according to WikiAnswers: > > "Published accounts say it contains or once contained sugar, > caramel, caffeine, phosphoric acid, coca leaf and kola nut > extract, lime extract, flavoring mixture, vanilla and > glycerin. Alleged syrup recipes vary greatly, and Coca-Cola > reluctantly admits the formula has changed over the decades. > In a much-publicized corporate disaster, Coca-Cola introduced > New Coke in 1985. After public outcry, the recipe was > restored to the original formula." > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: Heh, I better > not forget it since I deal with lab work every day. > > BK > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is > always hated > > that and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost > > succeeded in suppressing the memory and now you brought it > all back... Sigh... > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jun 2 02:19:04 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jun 2 02:19:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass (II) In-Reply-To: <46609EC1.1030604@verizon.net> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><46317059.4540@Tomaszewski.net><97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com><46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><00e501c7a463$a71f9190$6b01a8c0@okapi> <46609EC1.1030604@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7a4f7$10f75330$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Has anything recently been changed in the oven? Introduction of sulfur, arsenic, antimony (to a lesser degree), selenium or tellurium may cause corrosion of the platinum burner nozzles. Even traces of especially S and As do major damage. We use platinum trays to make glass pastilles and beads of inorganic material for XRF-analysis. We have to be vigilent to keep those elements out of the mixture. The stuff can be anywhere... Oven walls, fuel, isolation material, transporter rolls on which the glass plates rest. Even in the make-up of the glass mixture. Another question: can you have dendrites on a flat surface like glass or does the glass have to be "pitted" to start dendritic growth? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 23:34 > Aan: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Microprobe of glass (II) > > Gary Brown wrote: > > A friend of mine in the glass biz is getting some sort of > > contamination on sheet glass as it goes through an > annealing furnace. > > > I was just thinking--we often run x-ray diffraction on thin > films of clay and various trace evidence on glass. This > sample might, just might, diffract. The problem with either > microprobe or ICP-MS is that you are going to analyze more of > the underlying glass than the contaminant film. You will get > a sense of what elements are there, but not in the correct > stoichiometric proportions. However that may not be > necessary. If, for example, the gas nozzles in the furnace > are made of platinum, and there is platinum in the film, it > is a safe bet that platinum is sputtering off the nozzles. > On the other hand, if they use bottled argon as an inert gas > in the annealing chamber, and there is mercury in the film, > you might look toward contaminants in the bottled gas (for > some reason there is always some trace mercury in commercial > argon tanks). Things like that. > > Don > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jun 2 03:19:50 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jun 2 03:19:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum In-Reply-To: <000e01c7a27d$926a4c00$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> References: <004801c7a252$6e06dcf0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><009e01c7a274$e345b190$6400a8c0@Junior> <000e01c7a27d$926a4c00$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <000b01c7a4ff$8d9a1690$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Oh boy, I tried to shut up but after a few days of this I feel like I really have to ad some of my insights to the discussion. You may or may not like them but remember that it is just the way I see it. I'd love a debate but maybe better off list? You may believe that you can cross a lava lake on foot, as long as you wear your St. Christopher's charm. You may believe that your guardian angel will catch and save you if you jump off the Empire State Building. There is nothing wrong with believing. Not even with believing in the silliest things. Where it usually goes wrong is that people start applying their beliefs in real life...on the real world. The above examples speak for themselves, I "shan't" elaborate on those. Einstein made ONE mistake in his entire life. He apologized for that and expressed his shame later on in his career. The one mistake was the following: Einstein refused to believe that a universe that was created by the Infallible God, in which he so strongly believed, could be flawed. His calculations had, nevertheless, revealed that the universe was not perfect, unchanging and eternal. If he had believed in science and trusted his own work he would have gone into the history books as the author of a flawless theory. Sadly he chose to apply his belief in a infallible God to his observations of the real world. As a result he introduced a constant in his calculations that "corrected the error". This is in fact the best example of why faith and science cannot coexist. Beliefs and faith come with a catch: you trade your freedom of spirit in for reassurance. Nothing more, nothing less. If your mind is on the tracks of a certain conviction, you cannot deviate from it. You cannot steer a train as the tracks predestine its direction. Give up your free spirit and you will be blind to most of natures wonders. If one believes in creation, one should live accordingly. But creationists should remember that the freedom of belief cuts both ways. For the moment they are forcing their beliefs upon others (by demanding that creationism is taught in all schools beside and equal to evolution) which is in my mind a criminal sectarian coup d'?tat. Just like the Taliban they are setting their children (and if they should ever reach Washington the whole USA) back two centuries. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens jaybates > Verzonden: woensdag 30 mei 2007 6:44 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum > > I would feel a lot better if some of the beliefs of > scientists like Einstein and others were included. There is > sure a lot more to religious beliefs than strict literal > interpretations of the Bible. It is very incongruitous the > way it is presented. Where is the Biblical scholars in this > whole madness. > How about some information on what we know about how the > Bible came about. > These people only understand their brand of religion. It is > their lack of knowledge of religion that is the problem. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Jokela Jr. > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum > > > > Only in America! > > > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > > Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of > > Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the > > microscope: http://www.micromounts.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Goldstein" > > To: "PaleoList" > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:35 PM > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum > > > > > > Well, it opened yesterday to great fanfair and > consternation. A friend > sent > > me the following note last week. The link is a real eye > opener. Shows > > you what happens when people who think they know about science don't > understand > > the basics. > > Alan > > > > Very silly stuff!!! This guy (I assume from Eastern Kentucky > > University in > > Richmond) works with the son of an AIG leader (Carl Kirby) > and got in > > earlier in the week and took many (but not enough) pictures. Check > > out > his > > posting here: > > http://studentweb.eku.edu/zachary_lynn/museum/index.html > > > > Look at the site as soon as possible as AIG will probably have him > > take > the > > photos down off the web site soon. > > > > I don't see how AIG will get much repeat business at $20 a > ticket for > this. > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 0.0.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.5/812 - Release > Date: 5/19/07 > 1:52 PM > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From onehawkz at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 20:34:36 2007 From: onehawkz at gmail.com (onehawkz@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jun 2 20:34:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] onehawkz@gmail.com shared a video with you Message-ID: <0d56699a8f770f12b37a4d4725c7dd10@video.stumbleupon.com> StumbleVideo See what's on your channel! YouTube - sketch : http://video.stumbleupon.com?s=9q8hd3lmja&i=ct88lq90u7y7b9glr3o7 Check out this video. It's really cool! -- onehawkz (onehawkz@gmail.com) Learn more about StumbleVideo or Try It Now at http://video.stumbleupon.com ! *About StumbleVideo* StumbleVideo allows you to channel-surf great videos from throughout the internet based upon your interests -- creating your own Personal Video Channel. You too can discover, rate and share videos. Learn More or Try It Now! (c) StumbleUpon 2001-2007 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Jun 2 21:42:21 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 2 21:42:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum Message-ID: I'm a bit surprised the list moderators haven't stopped this thread already. It is however somewhat on topic. There is a great debate raging between many scientists and religionists as we all know. This may never be ended with one "side" or the other declared the "winner". Obviously all of us on this list are studying nature, past present, and predictable future with hopefully somewhat open minds. The fossil record and geological formations clearly show this planet has gone through many changes over a very long period of time. And we are learning more constantly.Many have no problem being religious and scientifically open minded, they're trying to learn how whichever supreme being they believe in created this marvelous world and all its wonders and creatures. The problem lies with the idea that no other idea or hypothesis could possibly be "right" except the one accepted by any certain group, be it a religious group or a group of scientists. For example, "God" might be constrained to operate without breaking the "laws" of science, but he still just might have a much greater knowledge and understanding of things and be able to use these laws in seemingly miraculous ways. Glenn From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be Oh boy, I tried to shut up but (Big Snip) Cheers Axel _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i?m Initiative now. It?s free.?? http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat Jun 2 21:43:15 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat Jun 2 21:43:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] onehawkz@gmail.com shared a video with you Message-ID: Interesting, but how is it related to rockhounding? Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Windows Live Messenger and join the i?m Initiative now. It?s free.?? http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGWL_June07 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Jun 2 23:32:07 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Jun 2 23:32:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Creation Museum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465DC0CA000968B6@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Glenn, you have made a very thoughtful and moderate response. Axel, I found your essay interesting, and though your views may upset some, I thought they were valuable ideas to be expressed on a forum that deals with scientific issues. However I do want to caution everyone that the topic has potential to cause problems, and that further postings should be on topic, which is ROCKHOUNDING! :) This is not yet an official warning, but I suggest that we be careful to avoid possible flames, and take the subject off-list unless there is clear relevance to rocks. Aloha, Kitty, ADMIN Team Member At 06:42 PM 6/2/2007, Glenn wrote: >I'm a bit surprised the list moderators haven't stopped this thread >already. It is however somewhat on topic. There is a great debate >raging between many scientists and religionists as we all know. This >may never be ended with one "side" or the other declared the >"winner". Obviously all of us on this list are studying nature, past >present, and predictable future with hopefully somewhat open minds. >The fossil record and geological formations clearly show this planet >has gone through many changes over a very long period of time. And >we are learning more constantly.Many have no problem being religious >and scientifically open minded, they're trying to learn how >whichever supreme being they believe in created this marvelous world >and all its wonders and creatures. The problem lies with the idea >that no other idea or hypothesis could possibly be "right" except >the one accepted by any certain group, be it a religious group or a >group of scientists. For example, "God" might be constrained to >operate without breaking the "laws" of science, but he still just >might have a much greater knowledge and understanding of things and >be able to use these laws in seemingly miraculous ways. >Glenn From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sat Jun 2 10:57:20 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sat Jun 2 23:38:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000001c7a5a9$b57f1890$a552d0c4@privatexb627h8> Have you ever put a piece of raw steak in Coca Cola? It's enough to put you off drinking the stuff. See what it can do to your insides? Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is always hated that > and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I almost succeeded in > suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... > > Axel > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer >> Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 18:18 >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid >> now Acetic acid >> >> I found some info on Citric in the Merck Index and it does >> look like it is a bit stronger than Acetic. pH of a 0.1 M >> solution is 2.2 for Citric and 2.9for Acetic. >> >> BK >> >> On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: >> > >> > Absolutely true, Bryan. >> > However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as >> concentrated >> > hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and >> its fumes can >> > really disable a person (if you heat it). >> > I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of >> oxalic and >> > acetic acid. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Axel >> > >> > >> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J >> Bryan Kramer >> > > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 14:16 >> > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> > > collectors >> > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now >> > > Acetic acid >> > > >> > > You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on >> this side of >> > > the pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and works quite >> > > well removing Fe. But I believe Acetic is actually a strong acid, >> > > I'll have to look up the Ka for Citric. Acetic is about >> 2X10e-5 and >> > > Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so you can see Oxalic is much stronger. >> > > >> > > BK >> > > >> > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid >> > > because you >> > > > can make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink >> > > up the house. >> > > > Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less >> aggressive than >> > > > muric acid (basically HCl). >> > > > You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the >> drugstore (BTW: >> > > > is the guy behind the counter of a drugstore technically a drug >> > > > dealer???) Worth a try? >> > > > >> > > > Axel >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> > > text/plain (text body -- kept) >> > > text/html >> > > --- >> > > -- >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > > Subscription Services: >> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> J Bryan Kramer >> North Florida, USA >> photos at: >> http://pbase.com/photoburner >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From info at rkgems.com Sun Jun 3 01:18:57 2007 From: info at rkgems.com (Information) Date: Sun Jun 3 01:19:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum In-Reply-To: <004801c7a252$6e06dcf0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <000001c7a5b7$dd96bc30$9c5ba3ca@rizwan4229f725> Hello guys Don?t take me biased towards some special group, but take this as a reference in understanding nature's role. Please follow the link and read the book/paper: http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm 1. QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE - Compatible Or Incompatible 2. QUR'?N AND MODERN SCIENCE ?Conflict or Conciliation? - PART- I (Verbatim Scripts of Dr. Zakir Naik's Lectures) 3. QUR'?N AND MODERN SCIENCE ?Conflict or Conciliation? - PART- II (Verbatim Scripts of Dr. Zakir Naik's Lectures) These papers/speeches can be used for reference purposes to understand creation and its purpose. Please understand again, I have presented the above details only for reference purposes for all those colleagues interested in reading more and wants to understand the system in details. Rizwan -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goldstein Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:36 AM To: PaleoList Cc: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum Well, it opened yesterday to great fanfair and consternation. A friend sent me the following note last week. The link is a real eye opener. Shows you what happens when people who think they know about science don't understand the basics. Alan Very silly stuff!!! This guy (I assume from Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond) works with the son of an AIG leader (Carl Kirby) and got in earlier in the week and took many (but not enough) pictures. Check out his posting here: http://studentweb.eku.edu/zachary_lynn/museum/index.html Look at the site as soon as possible as AIG will probably have him take the photos down off the web site soon. I don't see how AIG will get much repeat business at $20 a ticket for this. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 3 03:47:34 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 3 03:47:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now Acetic acid In-Reply-To: <000001c7a5a9$b57f1890$a552d0c4@privatexb627h8> References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net><000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP><46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net><001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP><463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net><001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP><00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary><000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP><001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP><000101c7a47a$1b359410$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000001c7a5a9$b57f1890$a552d0c4@privatexb627h8> Message-ID: <000901c7a5cc$985e0b40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Yes, Horst, but raw steak is dead and muscle tissue. Our digestive tract is alive and can replace damaged cells. It is also lined with a mucous membrane which protects against the hydrochloric acid that our stomach secretes. It would be interesting to see to which degree fizzling beverages take part in the CO2-cycle of our planet ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Horst Windisch > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 juni 2007 18:57 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > now Acetic acid > > Have you ever put a piece of raw steak in Coca Cola? It's > enough to put you off drinking the stuff. See what it can do > to your insides? > > Horst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors'" > > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:24 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now > Acetic acid > > > > It's in Coca Cola and that beverage will loosen rusted bolts. > > > > I see you recall the pH stuff from the schooldays... Is > always hated that > > and I'm glad I didn't need it for the past 25 years. I > almost succeeded in > > suppressing the memory and now you brought it all back... Sigh... > > > > Axel > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > >> Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 18:18 > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> collectors > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid > >> now Acetic acid > >> > >> I found some info on Citric in the Merck Index and it does > >> look like it is a bit stronger than Acetic. pH of a 0.1 M > >> solution is 2.2 for Citric and 2.9for Acetic. > >> > >> BK > >> > >> On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > >> > > >> > Absolutely true, Bryan. > >> > However, Glacial Acetic acid is at least as dangerous as > >> concentrated > >> > hydrochloric acid. It strongly attacks skin and eyes and > >> its fumes can > >> > really disable a person (if you heat it). > >> > I think that the pKa1 of citric acid is in between that of > >> oxalic and > >> > acetic acid. > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > > >> > Axel > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J > >> Bryan Kramer > >> > > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 juni 2007 14:16 > >> > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> > > collectors > >> > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Was Questions about Oxalic Acid now > >> > > Acetic acid > >> > > > >> > > You can buy 100% Acetic Acid, called Glacial Acetic on > >> this side of > >> > > the pond. Citric acid has some chelating ability and > works quite > >> > > well removing Fe. But I believe Acetic is actually a > strong acid, > >> > > I'll have to look up the Ka for Citric. Acetic is about > >> 2X10e-5 and > >> > > Oxalic about 4X10 e-2 so you can see Oxalic is much stronger. > >> > > > >> > > BK > >> > > > >> > > On 6/1/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Citric acid is just a little bit stronger than acetic acid > >> > > because you > >> > > > can make higher concentrations in water. Also doesn't stink > >> > > up the house. > >> > > > Lot less poisonous than oxalic acid and a lot less > >> aggressive than > >> > > > muric acid (basically HCl). > >> > > > You can buy it as white sugar like powder at the > >> drugstore (BTW: > >> > > > is the guy behind the counter of a drugstore > technically a drug > >> > > > dealer???) Worth a try? > >> > > > > >> > > > Axel > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> > > text/html > >> > > --- > >> > > -- > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> > > Subscription Services: > >> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> > Subscription Services: > >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> J Bryan Kramer > >> North Florida, USA > >> photos at: > >> http://pbase.com/photoburner > >> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 3 03:54:51 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 3 03:56:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN]Creation Museum References: Message-ID: <005b01c7a5cd$a3fb90c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Note that some of us moderators have been hiding under our chairs hoping that this would thread would simply disappear. Please keep your posts relevant to rockhounding. John Siebel Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" >I'm a bit surprised the list moderators haven't stopped this thread >already. From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 3 03:58:02 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 3 03:57:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum In-Reply-To: <000001c7a5b7$dd96bc30$9c5ba3ca@rizwan4229f725> References: <004801c7a252$6e06dcf0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <000001c7a5b7$dd96bc30$9c5ba3ca@rizwan4229f725> Message-ID: <000a01c7a5ce$0eb3f830$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I found in http://www.irf.net/quran_and_modern_science%20part_I.zip : According to the famous physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Albert Einstein, ?Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.? Would you care to discuss that off list? (anybody welcome for that matter). Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Information > Verzonden: zondag 3 juni 2007 9:19 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum > > Hello guys > > > Don?t take me biased towards some special group, but take > this as a reference in understanding nature's role. > > Please follow the link and read the book/paper: > > http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm > > 1. QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE - Compatible Or Incompatible > 2. > QUR'?N > AND MODERN SCIENCE ?Conflict or Conciliation? - PART- I > (Verbatim Scripts of Dr. Zakir Naik's Lectures) > 3. > QUR'?N AND MODERN SCIENCE ?Conflict or Conciliation? - PART- > II (Verbatim Scripts of Dr. Zakir Naik's Lectures) > > These papers/speeches can be used for reference purposes to > understand creation and its purpose. > > Please understand again, I have presented the above details > only for reference purposes for all those colleagues > interested in reading more and wants to understand the system > in details. > > Rizwan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Alan Goldstein > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:36 AM > To: PaleoList > Cc: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum > > Well, it opened yesterday to great fanfair and consternation. > A friend sent me the following note last week. The link is a > real eye opener. > Shows you what happens when people who think they know about > science don't understand the basics. > Alan > > Very silly stuff!!! This guy (I assume from Eastern Kentucky > University in Richmond) works with the son of an AIG leader > (Carl Kirby) and got in earlier in the week and took many > (but not enough) pictures. Check out his posting here: > http://studentweb.eku.edu/zachary_lynn/museum/index.html > > Look at the site as soon as possible as AIG will probably > have him take the photos down off the web site soon. > > I don't see how AIG will get much repeat business at $20 a > ticket for this. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From BNMJEFF at aol.com Sun Jun 3 06:38:36 2007 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 3 06:38:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] onehawkz@gmail.com shared a video with you Message-ID: Maybe the paint she was using were made from ground minerals, like in days of old... :) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 3 08:10:41 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 3 08:10:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Was Creation Museum In-Reply-To: <005b01c7a5cd$a3fb90c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <005b01c7a5cd$a3fb90c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <000601c7a5f1$5a7a89f0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > Note that some of us moderators have been hiding under our > chairs hoping that this would thread would simply disappear. Apparently so have most sane people, John ;-))) I saw a referral to the Koran from one of the list members. It would be an interesting discussion if we took it off list. Anybody care for a round of deep thought and discussion off list? Axel From facet at markandjanie.com Sun Jun 3 13:22:51 2007 From: facet at markandjanie.com (Mark Durham) Date: Sun Jun 3 13:23:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum References: <200706030100.l5310IkC019673@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000401c7a61c$fb137540$6401a8c0@markmobile> Axel, Do you really believe that faith and science cannot coexist? Your lack of understanding it does not make it so. Teaching 2 beliefs side by side is criminal? What happened to freedom of belief cutting both ways? You compare it to the Taliban? How ridiculous. To me that is just your faith speaking out of ignorance. Instead of being so closed minded thinking you have all of the answers you might find you will be enlightened if you make a concerted effort to educate yourself and get rid of your preconceived notions about the way you think things ought to be. Mark This is in fact the best example of why faith and science cannot coexist. Beliefs and faith come with a catch: you trade your freedom of spirit in for reassurance. Nothing more, nothing less. If your mind is on the tracks of a certain conviction, you cannot deviate from it. You cannot steer a train as the tracks predestine its direction. Give up your free spirit and you will be blind to most of natures wonders. If one believes in creation, one should live accordingly. But creationists should remember that the freedom of belief cuts both ways. For the moment they are forcing their beliefs upon others (by demanding that creationism is taught in all schools beside and equal to evolution) which is in my mind a criminal sectarian coup d'?tat. Just like the Taliban they are setting their children (and if they should ever reach Washington the whole USA) back two centuries. Cheers Axel From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 3 13:27:00 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 3 13:33:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Creation Museum References: <200706030100.l5310IkC019673@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <000401c7a61c$fb137540$6401a8c0@markmobile> Message-ID: <005a01c7a61d$90298110$0300a8c0@warren> We're moderating the list for a bit. No more creationism stuff, guys. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Durham" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Creation Museum Axel, Do you really believe that faith and science cannot coexist? Your lack of understanding it does not make it so. Teaching 2 beliefs side by side is criminal? What happened to freedom of belief cutting both ways? You compare it to the Taliban? How ridiculous. To me that is just your faith speaking out of ignorance. Instead of being so closed minded thinking you have all of the answers you might find you will be enlightened if you make a concerted effort to educate yourself and get rid of your preconceived notions about the way you think things ought to be. Mark This is in fact the best example of why faith and science cannot coexist. Beliefs and faith come with a catch: you trade your freedom of spirit in for reassurance. Nothing more, nothing less. If your mind is on the tracks of a certain conviction, you cannot deviate from it. You cannot steer a train as the tracks predestine its direction. Give up your free spirit and you will be blind to most of natures wonders. If one believes in creation, one should live accordingly. But creationists should remember that the freedom of belief cuts both ways. For the moment they are forcing their beliefs upon others (by demanding that creationism is taught in all schools beside and equal to evolution) which is in my mind a criminal sectarian coup d'?tat. Just like the Taliban they are setting their children (and if they should ever reach Washington the whole USA) back two centuries. Cheers Axel -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 4 12:04:05 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 4 12:05:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN]Moderation has been turned off... Message-ID: <009b01c7a6db$2463d700$0300a8c0@warren> ...except for those who continued to send email about the topic that resulted in moderation in the first place. Those users will be on moderation for a few days yet. Unfortunately, there were two emails that John approved, that appear to have gone into the void somewhere. He *thinks* that one was from Jim Daley; he doesn't recall what the other was. Sorry! Gotta love that list software. Julie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Jun 4 12:48:48 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Jun 4 12:48:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN]Moderation has been turned off... In-Reply-To: <009b01c7a6db$2463d700$0300a8c0@warren> References: <009b01c7a6db$2463d700$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <001101c7a6e1$5e6b9630$6401a8c0@AxelHP> You lost one of mine... Maybe just as well ;-))) It was as off topic as Paris Hilton at a Tupperware party. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Julie Siebel > Verzonden: maandag 4 juni 2007 20:04 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN]Moderation has been turned off... > > ...except for those who continued to send email about the > topic that resulted in moderation in the first place. Those > users will be on moderation for a few days yet. > > Unfortunately, there were two emails that John approved, that > appear to have gone into the void somewhere. He *thinks* that > one was from Jim Daley; he doesn't recall what the other was. > Sorry! Gotta love that list software. > > Julie > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 16:09:33 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Jun 4 16:09:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <523557.73119.qm@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's time for another update to my pricelist of microminerals at www.sauktown.com This month has the last of the material from my 2006 collecting trip to the Michigan copper country, the Rockland Mine. There's also some zeolites from New Zealand, and the return of some "old favorites" that were previously sold out. Reluctantly, I have to increase my standard shipping charges. I've absorbed the increases in postage for the past 9 years, but it's really getting out of hand. Within the US the standard charge will be $ 3.50, and outside the US $ 5.00. AS before, some supplies, such as boxes, will require extra shipping charges. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com orders@sauktown.com --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Mon Jun 4 17:43:45 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Mon Jun 4 17:43:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geode collecting in KY Message-ID: <348166.50486.qm@web56309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi guys: Back to rocks! I've been asked for tips on good places to take a 10 yr old wild about rocks geode collecting in Kentucky. So you post 'em and I'll compile them and forward them to the non-list-member who asked me. I've been around the area west of the interstate and south of Berea Ky and found that every stream bed was full of geodes, mostly with cryptocrystalline quartz in mamillary masses, or solid all the way through. I've also found all sorts of crystals of quartz, fluorite, and the like, but these are far less common than chalcedony or agate. Anyway, I'm going to send them my vaguely recalled tips, and wait for the barrage of information that I'm sure will soon be available on this list. Don't let me down now! Keep on Rockin' (KoR!) JR in WV --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Mon Jun 4 23:06:11 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066@iglide.net) Date: Mon Jun 4 23:05:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <200706050101.l5511NPj031497@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200706050101.l5511NPj031497@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4664FD53.3020101@iglide.net> Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem My, my, the things we find in this world. Kelly From stu at arcrystalmine.com Tue Jun 5 06:51:08 2007 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Tue Jun 5 06:51:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Neil Van Oost References: <0bd101c7952a$09af7fd0$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <00ed01c7a778$92de6130$6500a8c0@STU2> Hi Neil, If you are lurking somewhere out there please contact me off list. I want to see if you will tumble/polish some crystals for me. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jun 5 19:38:55 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jun 5 19:38:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] anyone familiar with Sybille Canyon, Wyoming, and lunar meteorites? In-Reply-To: References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90704270819g717f13e5jf6dc3deb981c34b2@mail.gmail.com> <46329AEB.5090@Tomaszewski.net> <000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net> <001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net> <001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46661E3F.8010802@verizon.net> Hi all, I usually don't call out dubious ads on eBay--that would consume 24 hours of every day--but this one is quite interesting. 290125676576 It appears by the title that this person is trying to imply the rock is similar to a lunar rock, which is bad enough and already violates eBay's title policy. However, in the remainder of the ad, and judging by the listing category--correct me if I'm wrong--but isn't he implying this is actually a meteorite? It is labeled as a piece of anorthosite from Sybille Canyon, Wyoming. It certainly looks like an anorthosite. This formation is documented by the Wyoming Geological Survey. However, has anyone heard of a lunar anorthosite meteorite fall in Sybille Canyon, or is this seller just very confused? Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jun 5 20:02:03 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 5 19:55:06 2007 Subject: Clay Canyon Varisite {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4} References: <200706050101.l5511NPj031497@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <4664FD53.3020101@iglide.net> Message-ID: <46662201.2E00@Tomaszewski.net> In case anyone is interested in Clay Canyon Varisite, here is an excellent article that tells you more than you ever wanted to know about it... http://www.minsocam.org/MSA/collectors_corner/arc/fairfield1.htm ...without explaining the high cost of the eBay specimen. Kreigh jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: > > Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon > Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's > eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You > know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. > > Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > My, my, the things we find in this world. > > Kelly > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jun 5 19:57:29 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 5 19:57:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] anyone familiar with Sybille Canyon, Wyoming, and lunar mete... Message-ID: Don, He just says it's "lunar meteorite like", so he's not claiming or even implying (at least not to people who know about such things) that it's a meteorite, though a novice who didn't appreciate these subtleties, might think this meant it was "a possible meteorite". I'm sure there's no meteorite from up there, and he's clearly labeled it as an anorthosite from Wyoming. What does seem misleading is that, as you point out, it's listed under the category of meteorites & tektites. It seems kind of a stretch to have it there, since it's only there because of a similarity; "meteorite-like". Seems like nothing is blately fradulent about this--the rock IS somewhat like lunar rocks and lunar meteorites in some ways--but as I say, it's stretching it a bit. Pete ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jun 5 20:25:31 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jun 5 20:25:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] anyone familiar with Sybille Canyon, Wyoming, and lunar mete... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4666292B.5050301@verizon.net> Hi Pete, With all due respect to your education and experience, I think you're being too soft on this one. Perhaps I should point out that it is against eBay rules to place a title like that for an ordinary rock. so that is one basis for my hard-nosed approach on this subject. I also don't know if any recovered lunar meteorites were anorthosites, but what makes any rock "lunar meteorite like"? Morphology, associated minerals, trace chemistry? If it's simply the fact that this is an anorthosite, then I can easily grab a piece of basalt from the yard and call it "lunar meteorite like," or buy a tank of helium at the balloon store and call it "sun like." Perhaps we should agree to diagree on where we draw the line between exaggeration and outright BS. > What does seem misleading is that, as you point out, it's listed under the > category of meteorites & tektites. Yes that is definitely a listing violation. Ebay already agreed with me on that. Again, that's the main point I'm trying to make. > Seems like nothing is blately fradulent about this--the rock IS somewhat > like lunar rocks and lunar meteorites in some ways-- Well again, I'm not sure I agree how much this particular rock is like a lunar rock, but as far as fraud--whether or not it is deliberate or whether the seller just has no idea what he's selling--his ad does state that the "Meteorite is Unconditionally Guaranteed as to its Authenticity" and he gives plenty of other indicators that he is selling a meteorite. I don't think that's his label on the section; he probably saw the word "anorthosite," searched for it, found some reference to the lunar highlands, and took off from there. The age should have given him a clue. Most important, thanks for the statement that there was no such meteorite fall in Sybille. I didn't think so. I couldn't find any reference but that doesn't prove anything. I stumbled upon this ad while searching for microscopes. The funny thing is that I just sent out a blank of local anorthosite for thin sectioning, and was looking at this one for my feldspar reference collection. I had to read it twice to figure out what he was trying sell. best regards, Don From magnet at crocoite.com Wed Jun 6 02:55:41 2007 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Wed Jun 6 02:55:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Second Issue of Magazine Out Now... Message-ID: <20070606095541.29783.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all The second issue of the Australian and New Zealand Mineral Collector magazine is now out. This issue includes articles on Thackaringa garnets; phosphates from Punchs Terror, Tasmania; the Avebury Nickel Mine, Tasmania; Epidote from the Harts Range; Bickers Quarry, New Zealand; and more. It is full colour, 28 pages, and only $10US available from Lulu - http://www.lulu.com/smartarts If you are going to order a copy directly, can I suggest that you use the 'Standard' option for shipping. It is by far the most economical, and usually arrives within a couple of weeks. Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ From jeanne at jeannius.com Wed Jun 6 11:13:44 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Wed Jun 6 11:13:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! Message-ID: <4666F958.4020506@jeannius.com> http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-6-5/56130.html some geologist is going to have fun figuring these out! Jeanne From tjokela at execulink.com Wed Jun 6 11:35:24 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed Jun 6 11:51:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! References: <4666F958.4020506@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <000301c7a869$746c5e40$6400a8c0@Junior> Just concretions, no big deal, though the size is neat. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! > http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-6-5/56130.html > > some geologist is going to have fun figuring these out! > > Jeanne > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jun 6 11:59:16 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 6 11:59:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! In-Reply-To: <000301c7a869$746c5e40$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <4666F958.4020506@jeannius.com> <000301c7a869$746c5e40$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <8C97683EA29B2B6-788-87E0@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> Those are way cool, Jeanne!? Moqui marbles on steroids!? Maybe they'll have a flock of them on display in Tucson next year. Some of the Moqui Marbles look like UFO's too.? These must be the mother ships. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jokela Jr. To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! Just concretions, no big deal, though the size is neat.? ? Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com? Great minerals for sale: http://www.element51.com? The minerals of Ontario: http://www.ontariominerals.com? Minerals through the microscope: http://www.micromounts.com? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" ? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" ? Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:13 PM? Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped!? ? > http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-6-5/56130.html? >? > some geologist is going to have fun figuring these out!? >? > Jeanne? >? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From murowchickj at umkc.edu Wed Jun 6 12:14:40 2007 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:14:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! In-Reply-To: <4666F958.4020506@jeannius.com> Message-ID: Neat pics of large concretions. Nothing unusual, though. Concretions commonly form around some type of nucleus (e.g., a piece of organic debris) that changes the chemistry of the surrounding pore water as it decomposes, leading to precipitation of a cement, commonly calcite or other carbonate mineral. They often occur "in line" because they commonly form in a single sedimentary bed or on a bedding plane. Robert Berner at Yale wrote an article on the formation of concretions quite a while ago (1980's?) if you want the details. I'm curious why they call them "gangues", though. "Gangue" is an ore deposits term referring to the minerals in an ore that have no commercial value, such as quartz in a gold deposit. I've never heard the term applied to a sedimentary concretion, though. Any insights on this? BTW-There's a very large concretion on display in front of Deike Building (home of the Department of Geosciences) at Penn State University in State College, PA if anyone wants to see a large one up close. Jim Murowchick On 6/6/07 1:13 PM, "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" wrote: > http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-6-5/56130.html > > some geologist is going to have fun figuring these out! > > Jeanne > > From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Jun 6 12:30:55 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:31:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C9768855FAC382-788-8981@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> Jim, as soon as I saw these pictures, I also thought of the giant concretion mounted outside of Deike Building!? I wondered if it is still there (I assume it is.) Now, this article was surely translated into English out of Chinese, so "gangues" was probably the closest?thing they could come up with to translate whatever the term in Chinese was.? Not exactly the way we'd say it, but it conveys the idea. A dictionary definition gives simply, "Worthless rock or other material in which valuable minerals are found." Which basically fits, though of course we never use it in the plural. A similar term that we do use in the plural though, and that could have been used in this context, is "spoils" (def. 3), n.?? spoils Goods or property seized from a victim after a conflict, especially after a military victory. Incidental benefits reaped by a winner, especially political patronage enjoyed by a successful party or candidate. An object of plunder; prey. Refuse material removed from an excavation. Heaps of waste material from coal mining are often called "spoil piles". Pete -----Original Message----- From: Jim Murowchick To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! Neat pics of large concretions. Nothing unusual, though. Concretions ommonly form around some type of nucleus (e.g., a piece of organic debris) hat changes the chemistry of the surrounding pore water as it decomposes, eading to precipitation of a cement, commonly calcite or other carbonate ineral. They often occur "in line" because they commonly form in a single edimentary bed or on a bedding plane. Robert Berner at Yale wrote an rticle on the formation of concretions quite a while ago (1980's?) if you ant the details. I'm curious why they call them "gangues", though. "Gangue" is an ore eposits term referring to the minerals in an ore that have no commercial alue, such as quartz in a gold deposit. I've never heard the term applied o a sedimentary concretion, though. Any insights on this? BTW-There's a very large concretion on display in front of Deike Building home of the Department of Geosciences) at Penn State University in State ollege, PA if anyone wants to see a large one up close. Jim Murowchick n 6/6/07 1:13 PM, "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" wrote: > http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-6-5/56130.html some geologist is going to have fun figuring these out! Jeanne -- ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jun 6 13:02:22 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jun 6 12:59:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] funky stones found in China! UFO shaped! In-Reply-To: References: <4666F958.4020506@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <200706061959.l56JxcAf021181@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I remember that concretion; quite impressive :) Glad to hear it hasn't succumbed to "progress". At 12:14 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote: >BTW-There's a very large concretion on display in front of Deike Building >(home of the Department of Geosciences) at Penn State University in State >College, PA if anyone wants to see a large one up close. > >Jim Murowchick Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From rkripfga at msn.com Wed Jun 6 07:56:44 2007 From: rkripfga at msn.com (Bob) Date: Wed Jun 6 16:55:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 References: <200706060100.l5610JkU021835@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: I live in Tooele, Utah. I have searched Clay Canyon with out much success. There is the Little Green Monster Mine there which still eludes me as to the location. I find it hard to believe there is an 18lb. rock out there for sale unless it was kept by a private collector since most of the specimens I have seen from the locals here are rather small. That is a lot of $$$$.... wish I found it. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." [Rockhounds-Digest] Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 (jlkelly1066@iglide.net) 2. Looking for Neil Van Oost (Stu Schmitt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:06:11 -0600 From: "jlkelly1066@iglide.net" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <4664FD53.3020101@iglide.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem My, my, the things we find in this world. Kelly ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:51:08 -0500 From: "Stu Schmitt" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Neil Van Oost To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > Message-ID: <00ed01c7a778$92de6130$6500a8c0@STU2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Neil, If you are lurking somewhere out there please contact me off list. I want to see if you will tumble/polish some crystals for me. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ------------------------------ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 ***************************************** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Jun 6 20:00:23 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Jun 6 20:00:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geode collecting in KY References: <348166.50486.qm@web56309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008801c7a8af$fe2acef0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Geodes are widespread in the counties that surround the Bluegrass Region. Geodes are in creeks, road cuts, etc. Quartz is most common, calcite and gypsum are also common where they are in situ. Halls Gap and Kings Mountain are probably not suitable for a 10 year old, but there are plenty of places. I collected big honkin' geodes near Brodhead (in a creek). They are in the upper Borden formation and the limestone units above it (Harrodsburg and Salem) and the residuum from those formations. My recent article in "Rocks and Minerals" may be of some help. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Geode collecting in KY > Hi guys: > > Back to rocks! I've been asked for tips on good places to take a 10 yr > old wild about rocks geode collecting in Kentucky. So you post 'em and > I'll compile them and forward them to the non-list-member who asked me. > > I've been around the area west of the interstate and south of Berea Ky and > found that every stream bed was full of geodes, mostly with > cryptocrystalline quartz in mamillary masses, or solid all the way > through. > > I've also found all sorts of crystals of quartz, fluorite, and the like, > but these are far less common than chalcedony or agate. > > Anyway, I'm going to send them my vaguely recalled tips, and wait for the > barrage of information that I'm sure will soon be available on this list. > > Don't let me down now! > > Keep on Rockin' (KoR!) > > JR in WV > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rutile1 at carolina.rr.com Wed Jun 6 20:56:09 2007 From: rutile1 at carolina.rr.com (Todd Hamrick) Date: Wed Jun 6 20:54:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bristol,Tenn. Message-ID: <466781D9.1070209@carolina.rr.com> Will be going to Bristol later this month.Anyone know of anywhere nearby to collect? Thanks, Todd From jeanne at jeannius.com Wed Jun 6 21:36:49 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Wed Jun 6 21:36:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another wierd rock article.... Message-ID: <46678B61.6050908@jeannius.com> http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2068.html?theme=light From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jun 6 21:52:25 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jun 6 21:52:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another wierd rock article.... In-Reply-To: <46678B61.6050908@jeannius.com> References: <46678B61.6050908@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <46678F09.7070407@verizon.net> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2068.html?theme=light Sounds like this guy is a friend of the fellow I mentioned who is selling his "lunar like" thin section on eBay. Don From rockcurrier at cs.com Thu Jun 7 06:03:51 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Thu Jun 7 06:04:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Clay Canyon, Utah, Varisite References: <200706070100.l5710PeC014384@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <007501c7a904$4c038190$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> It is doubtful that anyone will pay a big price for the big nodule of Clay Canyon Variscite. It may be, however, be one of the largest uncut nodules of this material remaining in captivity. Although, from the picture, it is not clear that is really a nodule, or if it is, how round it might be. The price has probably been estimated, by an optimist, from the price the nodule might bring were cut open and proved to be the best specimen of the variscite ever seen. It is hard to imagine anyone paying a big price for the piece based on the small amount of variscite showing at one end of the nodule. I have, however, cut open very unlikely looking nodules of this material to find really beautiful material inside and there may be more potential in the nodule that might be evident from an inspection of its exterior. But some people have learned to make a living by offering strange things for sale at huge prices based on the fact that every once in a while someone will come a long and give them a payday. To them it beats holding down an honest job. Was not a piece of toast recently sold for a large amount of money because it had on it the likeness of the virgin Mary? Rock From hammerron at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 06:31:28 2007 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Thu Jun 7 06:31:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas Diamond find Message-ID: <895056.63104.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Wowsa ! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_on_fe_st/odd_diamond_find --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Jun 7 06:54:43 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 7 06:55:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Clay Canyon, Utah, Varisite Message-ID: In the 3 Dec. 2006 Bonhams & Butterfields auction of the Levi Smith mineral collection, a polished variscite slice, Measuring 6 x 3 ? x ?in of Clay Canyon variscite sold for $1500. Of course, this was a sawn piece of a very high quality, attractive variscite nodule. Pete (see for the description & picture)-- _http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&s creen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=3382853&iSaleNo=14046_ (http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=lotdetailsNoF lash&iSaleItemNo=3382853&iSaleNo=14046) jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: > > Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon > Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's > eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You > know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. > > Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem > > My, my, the things we find in this world. > > Kelly ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 7 08:11:21 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu Jun 7 08:11:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Connecticut Show References: <895056.63104.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c7a916$1bb3eea0$56802b4b@LarryRush> There will be a swap/sell show on the museum grounds of the Connecticut Museum of Mining and Mineral Science this Saturday, from 9am-4pm (Rain or Shine). No admission charge, $5 swapping, $20 selling. This spot is 1 mile North of the village of Kent on Rt.7. This is the 5th year of this small, and growing show, and one of the very few where collectors can still trade their finds, and find out what's new in Connecticut collecting. This is held at a beautiful shaded field among buildings devoted to antique machinery, and which includes a very nice small mineral museum of mostly connectict material. A nice day out (if it doesn't rain!). Stop by and say "Hello!" Larry Rush From jeanne at jeannius.com Thu Jun 7 08:19:55 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Thu Jun 7 08:21:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Varicite value? Was"Clay Canyon, Utah, Varisite" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4668221B.2030400@jeannius.com> What is the going rate for Variscite? I've bought around $15 lbs via ebay recently...much of it very nice, indeed....primarily Utah material...the first batch was generic Utah..the most recent batch, 10 lbs, was specified as Lucin material, and it ranges from very light to dark, some with spiderwebbing, most has fairly hard matrix rather than the crumbly stuff I've seen otherwise. But I don't find a lot online to tell me what the price should be on rough or cut variscite. Any suggestions? Jeanne Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > In the 3 Dec. 2006 Bonhams & Butterfields auction of the Levi Smith mineral > collection, a polished variscite slice, Measuring 6 x 3 ? x ?in > of Clay Canyon variscite sold for $1500. Of course, this was a sawn piece > of a very high quality, attractive variscite nodule. > > Pete > > (see for the description & picture)-- > _http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&s > creen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=3382853&iSaleNo=14046_ > (http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=lotdetailsNoF > lash&iSaleItemNo=3382853&iSaleNo=14046) > > > jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: > >> Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon >> Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's >> eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You >> know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. >> >> Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI > tem > >> >> My, my, the things we find in this world. >> >> Kelly >> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Thu Jun 7 08:22:50 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Thu Jun 7 08:23:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Varicite value? Was"Clay Canyon, Utah, Varisite" In-Reply-To: <4668221B.2030400@jeannius.com> References: <4668221B.2030400@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <466822CA.1030100@jeannius.com> that should have just been 15 lbs..not $15 Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > I've bought around $15 lbs via ebay recently... > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >> In the 3 Dec. 2006 Bonhams & Butterfields auction of the Levi Smith >> mineral collection, a polished variscite slice, Measuring 6 x 3 ? x >> ?in of Clay Canyon variscite sold for $1500. Of course, this was >> a sawn piece of a very high quality, attractive variscite nodule. >> >> Pete >> >> (see for the description & picture)-- >> _http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&s >> >> creen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=3382853&iSaleNo=14046_ >> (http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=lotdetailsNoF >> >> lash&iSaleItemNo=3382853&iSaleNo=14046) >> >> jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: >> >>> Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon >>> Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's >>> eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. >>> You >>> know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that >>> much. >>> >>> Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out >>> there: >>> >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI >> >> tem >> >>> >>> My, my, the things we find in this world. >>> >>> Kelly >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gkoshman at sasktel.net Thu Jun 7 14:24:00 2007 From: gkoshman at sasktel.net (Gerry Koshman) Date: Thu Jun 7 14:24:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite Message-ID: <001601c7a94a$2a8f7ff0$7fae7fd0$@net> Hi there! I am going to be making a trip to the Lethbridge Alta area in the nxt few weeks, I have heard you can find Ammonites with irridesent coating along one of the river banks in the area. Can anyone tell me if this is true and what is the quality like? Thanks Gerry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Thu Jun 7 15:22:33 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Jun 7 15:20:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite References: <001601c7a94a$2a8f7ff0$7fae7fd0$@net> Message-ID: <04b001c7a952$58550dd0$c51f9444@michael01> yes...along the st mary's river. however, (unless the laws have change in the last couple of years) it is 100% ILLEGAL to collect them...sorry! I wouldn't buy one locally either if I were you. I just got back from a fishing trip (in a town close to there) where they were selling ammolite. 100x what I sell the stuff for. I'm not joking. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Koshman" To: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite > > > Hi there! > > > > I am going to be making a trip to the Lethbridge Alta area in the nxt few > weeks, I have heard you can find Ammonites with irridesent coating along > one > of the river banks in the area. Can anyone tell me if this is true and > what > is the quality like? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gerry > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Jun 7 16:22:43 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Jun 7 16:22:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite References: <001601c7a94a$2a8f7ff0$7fae7fd0$@net> <04b001c7a952$58550dd0$c51f9444@michael01> Message-ID: <008901c7a95a$c0266140$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Does ammolite have 1/3 less calories than regular ammo? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ammolite > yes...along the st mary's river. > > however, (unless the laws have change in the last couple of years) it is > 100% ILLEGAL to collect them...sorry! > > I wouldn't buy one locally either if I were you. I just got back from a > fishing trip (in a town close to there) where they were selling ammolite. > 100x what I sell the stuff for. I'm not joking. > > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry Koshman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite > > >> >> >> Hi there! >> >> >> >> I am going to be making a trip to the Lethbridge Alta area in the nxt few >> weeks, I have heard you can find Ammonites with irridesent coating along >> one >> of the river banks in the area. Can anyone tell me if this is true and >> what >> is the quality like? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Gerry >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Thu Jun 7 17:01:30 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Jun 7 17:00:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite References: <001601c7a94a$2a8f7ff0$7fae7fd0$@net> <04b001c7a952$58550dd0$c51f9444@michael01> <008901c7a95a$c0266140$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <051f01c7a960$2accae00$c51f9444@michael01> yes...yes it does. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ammolite > Does ammolite have 1/3 less calories than regular ammo? > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Schmidt" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ammolite > > >> yes...along the st mary's river. >> >> however, (unless the laws have change in the last couple of years) it is >> 100% ILLEGAL to collect them...sorry! >> >> I wouldn't buy one locally either if I were you. I just got back from a >> fishing trip (in a town close to there) where they were selling ammolite. >> 100x what I sell the stuff for. I'm not joking. >> >> Michael >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gerry Koshman" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:24 PM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite >> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi there! >>> >>> >>> >>> I am going to be making a trip to the Lethbridge Alta area in the nxt >>> few >>> weeks, I have heard you can find Ammonites with irridesent coating along >>> one >>> of the river banks in the area. Can anyone tell me if this is true and >>> what >>> is the quality like? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Gerry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Jun 7 17:22:34 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Jun 7 17:22:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Roswell and Carlsbad shows References: <895056.63104.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <001401c7a916$1bb3eea0$56802b4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <06ef01c7a963$1d128d40$4f9b5a40@marilyn> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Connecticut Show >> > -- The Roswell show Rocky mt federatiopn Show is this weekkend fri-sunday The Carlsbad NM Show is next weekend the 15-17th if you are in the area come on by. Steve. Keep on rockin > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Jun 7 17:36:38 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Jun 7 17:36:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 References: <200706060100.l5610JkU021835@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <071f01c7a965$141b8f50$4f9b5a40@marilyn> The BLM closed the mine and bulldozed the dumps into/over it so no rockhounds would dig it out and go back into the "unsafe" mine. The area is very picked over and I am sure that the "nodule" came from a collection not the ground recently. I made an honest offer on the nodule and was told i\that we both new it was worth more than $1000.00 (my offer). I dont know what it is worth as there dosen't appear to be much varicite in the nodule and I am not willing to pay $80,000 to cut it in half I still have slices I bought from Shipleys in the 70's any one want to buy one for $1000.00? All the best Steve Keep on rockin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 I live in Tooele, Utah. I have searched Clay Canyon with out much success. There is the Little Green Monster Mine there which still eludes me as to the location. I find it hard to believe there is an 18lb. rock out there for sale unless it was kept by a private collector since most of the specimens I have seen from the locals here are rather small. That is a lot of $$$$.... wish I found it. ----- Original Message ----- From: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." [Rockhounds-Digest] Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 (jlkelly1066@iglide.net) 2. Looking for Neil Van Oost (Stu Schmitt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:06:11 -0600 From: "jlkelly1066@iglide.net" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <4664FD53.3020101@iglide.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem My, my, the things we find in this world. Kelly ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:51:08 -0500 From: "Stu Schmitt" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for Neil Van Oost To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > Message-ID: <00ed01c7a778$92de6130$6500a8c0@STU2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Neil, If you are lurking somewhere out there please contact me off list. I want to see if you will tumble/polish some crystals for me. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ------------------------------ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5 ***************************************** --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jun 7 20:51:21 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 7 20:51:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Digest reminder In-Reply-To: <071f01c7a965$141b8f50$4f9b5a40@marilyn> References: <200706060100.l5610JkU021835@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <071f01c7a965$141b8f50$4f9b5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <4666B9750005A58F@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Bob, Steve, and everyone, here's a reminder: Please change the topic in the Subject line to match your message. "Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 5" isn't very helpful, especially for those not on the Digest plan. Also please trim the stuff below your message that is not relevant, leaving just enough so we know what you're replying to. You can check the List Rules at the website given at the bottom of every Rockhounds posting. Thanks, and aloha, Kitty Admin Team member From rfadney at hotmail.com Thu Jun 7 21:06:57 2007 From: rfadney at hotmail.com (R. Adney Jr.) Date: Thu Jun 7 21:07:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite In-Reply-To: <051f01c7a960$2accae00$c51f9444@michael01> Message-ID: It's also a critical part of a low "carbine" diet. >From: Michael Schmidt >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ammolite >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:01:30 -0600 > >yes...yes it does. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" > >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:22 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ammolite > > >>Does ammolite have 1/3 less calories than regular ammo? >> >>Alan >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Schmidt" >> >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:22 PM >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ammolite >> >> >>>yes...along the st mary's river. >>> >>>however, (unless the laws have change in the last couple of years) it is >>>100% ILLEGAL to collect them...sorry! >>> >>>I wouldn't buy one locally either if I were you. I just got back from a >>>fishing trip (in a town close to there) where they were selling ammolite. >>>100x what I sell the stuff for. I'm not joking. >>> >>>Michael >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Koshman" >>>To: >>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:24 PM >>>Subject: [Rockhounds] Ammolite >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hi there! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I am going to be making a trip to the Lethbridge Alta area in the nxt >>>>few >>>>weeks, I have heard you can find Ammonites with irridesent coating along >>>>one >>>>of the river banks in the area. Can anyone tell me if this is true and >>>>what >>>>is the quality like? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Gerry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>>multipart/alternative >>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>> text/html >>>>--- >>>>-- >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>Subscription Services: >>>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From earlrock at nctv.com Fri Jun 8 04:17:28 2007 From: earlrock at nctv.com (Earl) Date: Fri Jun 8 04:16:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: Hendersonville Show Message-ID: <003801c7a9be$9988fac0$6401a8c0@earlbasement> The Henderson County Gem & Mineral Societies' 26th Annual Gem & Mineral Spectacular, and the 19th Micromounters Symposium. In Hendersonville, NC August 31 - Sept. 3 You can see the basic writeup and any updates here: http://home.nctv.com/earlrock/hcgmsannual.htm Other fun event in the area is the Hendersonville Apple Festival. Come join us. Earl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jg81638 at aol.com Fri Jun 8 08:16:48 2007 From: jg81638 at aol.com (jg81638@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 8 08:17:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another wierd rock article.... In-Reply-To: <46678F09.7070407@verizon.net> References: <46678B61.6050908@jeannius.com> <46678F09.7070407@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8C977F72B16A1C6-11D4-E71D@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com> Maybe it's time to suggest some ground rules for evaluating rockhound "oddities".? At the very least whoever turns the sample(s) up could do a hardness/scratch test (just scratching it with a knife blade would indicate something), followed by the reaction to?a drop of acid (even a drop of vinegar), then determine the specific gravity/density (if you are set up for that)?and if you have more than one or two samples bust one open and inspect the interior.? In the case of these balls I'd be somewhat suspicious of the fact that they all seem to be about?the same size, which suggests a manufactured item.? On the picture alone they remind me of the calcite/marble balls that are (were) used in the papermaking industry to macerate the?fibres(wood or fabric) that are to make up the final paper product. -----Original Message----- From: DonH To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:52 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] another wierd rock article.... Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote:? ? > http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2068.html?theme=light? ? Sounds like this guy is a friend of the fellow I mentioned who is selling his "lunar like" thin section on eBay.? ? Don? ? ? -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Fri Jun 8 10:29:04 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Fri Jun 8 09:28:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 7 References: <200706080101.l5811PtQ007953@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <0c5f01c7a9f2$836a4cb0$6b01a8c0@rock3> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2068.html?theme=light Jeanne, The round white "stones" pictured in the link above look very much to me like ceramic grinding media for industrial tumblers. I have seen similar ones used for paint manufacture. Rock From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 8 10:23:31 2007 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Fri Jun 8 10:22:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke Message-ID: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Courtesy of A Prairie Home Companion 6/8/07. PRETTY GOOD JOKES A geologist walks up to a river and says, "I feel very strongly that your bottom is composed of dirt, silt, small rocks, bits of dead animals, and other particulate inorganic matter." And the river replies, "Yes, those are my sediments exactly." This joke was sent in by Joe B. of Wrentham, MA. Thanks Joe! As I am attributing the submittal I hope this causes no upset to anyone. Glen --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Fri Jun 8 12:08:17 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Fri Jun 8 11:07:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Utah variscite nocule References: <200706080101.l5811PtQ007953@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <0c6301c7aa00$5f536010$6b01a8c0@rock3> Jeanne, Usually the variscite from Clay Canyon near Fairfield Utah is cherished over variscite from other localities like that from near Lucien. This is because the Clay Canyon material often came in nice round nodules and when you cut them open and or slabed them the green variscite, sometimes of a deep green color, is associated with a skin, veins and eyes of yellow crandalite and gray wardite. The color combinations in good nodule halves and slabs is striking and instantly recognizable as being from that locality and no other. To the best of my knowledge, few if any good nodules have been found during the last fifty years, so any remaining large nodules like the one advertised for $80,000 may be among the last of its kind and is among the largest ever found. In addition, most of the variscite from this locality was dug by Arthur Montgomery and Ed Over both of whom had new secondary phosphate minerals from this deposit named after them. Both are revered by the collecting fraternity for their achievements. Good slabs and half nodules are getting scarce and prices of a thousand or more dollars or more for a good one (4 to 6 inches) are becoming more common. The man offering the nodule for $80,000 has probably had it for years but probably won't get anything near that price, but he will almost certainly get some thousands of dollars. It all depends on how much someone is willing to gambol on the quality of variscite inside the nodule. He may end up having to cut the thing into slabs and polish them to achieve maximum return on his specimen. Earlier this year I bought Dick Hauck's small horde off Fairfield variscite nodules, cut nodules and slabs. He threw in a bunch of memorabilia including the pictures that Arthur Montgomery took of he and Ed Over at the mine during operations. He also threw in a topo maps of the locality marked by Arthur Montgomery as to where they found variscite nodules. As I recall there were three adits located on the map quite near together but he did not specify which was the Little Green Monster Mine. Some years ago I, like others on this list, visited the area and tried to locate where the mine was, but the reclamation work must have already been done so though I am pretty sure I walked over the place I was never sure exactly where it was. I sure wish I had had those topos at my disposal then. I didn't really hope to find any good variscite, it was just sort of a pilgrimage; but you never know!. Rock From brenick at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 12:47:24 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Fri Jun 8 12:47:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke In-Reply-To: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <97175ae90706081247o3a89de06r653c3fbb44d6cda@mail.gmail.com> ~groan~ I love "groaners!" keep it up! On 6/8/07, Glen Miller wrote: > > Courtesy of A Prairie Home Companion 6/8/07. > > > PRETTY GOOD JOKES > > > A geologist walks up to a river and says, "I feel very strongly that > your bottom is composed of dirt, silt, small rocks, bits of dead > animals, and other particulate inorganic matter." > > And the river replies, "Yes, those are my sediments exactly." > > This joke was sent in by Joe B. of Wrentham, MA. Thanks Joe! > > As I am attributing the submittal I hope this causes no upset to anyone. > > Glen > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 8 13:44:13 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Jun 8 13:43:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke References: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <97175ae90706081247o3a89de06r653c3fbb44d6cda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c7aa0d$c65d5290$3bf9d04c@LarryRush> > ~groan~ I love "groaners!" keep it up! ROCKHOUND (Larry Rush, With Apologies to Joyce Kilmer) (Please ask for reprint permission) I think that I have never found, A man as looney as a rockhound. A nut whose body is often pressed, Against a quarry's muddy breast. An addict who breaks hard rocks all day, And lifts his sweaty arms to "play". A fool that may in summer wear, A nest of black flies in his hair. An idiot who must have lost his brain, To go out smashing rocks in rain. A medical jerk who stops when this harm, Creates shooting pains to run up his arm. An obsessive chap who risks divorce, When his mate at last has to threaten force. Minerals are made by Nature underground, But God really goofed when he made a rockhound. From RCasmier at aol.com Fri Jun 8 17:35:56 2007 From: RCasmier at aol.com (RCasmier@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 8 17:36:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke Message-ID: Larry: I'm the editor of Mingus Rocky Times, the newsletter of the Mingus Gem and Mineral Club in Cottonwood, Arizona. Request permission to use your poem in a future newsletter. Richard Casmier rcasmier@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jun 8 19:08:46 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 8 19:08:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silly question re cat litter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46695FE80001DDDA@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Here's a silly question, but slightly related to rocks: A cat has adopted us and for the first time in over 30 years we're dealing with a litter box. I know the cat litter (I refuse to call it Kitty litter) is made mostly of clay (that's the rock part). But all the litter now is advertised as "clumping." Indeed it does clump MUCH better than the older kind. It makes cleaning the cat box MUCH easier, because the cat pee just forms a very firm, solid ball and lifts out completely with a slotted scooper. So my question is, what might some genius have come up with to add to the clay to make this new cat litter clump up so nicely when liquid is introduced? The containers do not list the ingredients. Sorry for the silly question, but it's been bugging me! BTW, I remember when I was a kid we used to go to the local lumber yard and get sawdust for our litter box. My parents originally used sand (there's another rock connection), but then they found that whenever their cats were outdoors they would use the neighbor's children's sandbox; this did not endear them to the neighbors! When they changed to sawdust, after a while the cats stopped using the children's sandbox. Aloha, Kitty From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 8 20:33:44 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 8 20:33:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silly question re cat litter References: <46695FE80001DDDA@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <466A1F86.12BA@Tomaszewski.net> 'Kitty Litter' was invented by Cassapolis, Michigan, lumberyard owner H. Edward Lowe in 1947. It was basically dried ground clay. Clumping litter was introduced in 1989. The secret was making smaller granules, and adding sodium bentonite (another clay). BTW, the smaller granules tend to stick to cat paws and get tracked around the litter box. And to try to keep this on topic, light colored clays are preferred because they absorb more water than dark colored clays (that become muddy when wet). More details on making cat litter, from clay and other materials, can be found at http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Cat-Litter.html Roughly a third of American households have a cat, and cat litter is nearly a billion $ business annually. Clay science is big business and on-topic. Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Here's a silly question, but slightly related to rocks: > > A cat has adopted us and for the first time in over 30 years we're > dealing with a litter box. I know the cat litter (I refuse to call > it Kitty litter) is made mostly of clay (that's the rock part). But > all the litter now is advertised as "clumping." Indeed it does clump > MUCH better than the older kind. It makes cleaning the cat box MUCH > easier, because the cat pee just forms a very firm, solid ball and > lifts out completely with a slotted scooper. > > So my question is, what might some genius have come up with to add to > the clay to make this new cat litter clump up so nicely when liquid > is introduced? The containers do not list the ingredients. Sorry > for the silly question, but it's been bugging me! > > BTW, I remember when I was a kid we used to go to the local lumber > yard and get sawdust for our litter box. My parents originally used > sand (there's another rock connection), but then they found that > whenever their cats were outdoors they would use the neighbor's > children's sandbox; this did not endear them to the neighbors! When > they changed to sawdust, after a while the cats stopped using the > children's sandbox. > > Aloha, Kitty > From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sat Jun 9 09:45:30 2007 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sat Jun 9 09:45:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke Message-ID: <380-22007669164530837@earthlink.net> Hi Larry, I am the editor of the Lowcountry Gem & Mineral Society newsletter in Charleston, Sout Carolina. I, too, would like re-print permission of your poem for a future newsletter. Thanks, Mark Easterbrook > [Original Message] > From: Lawrence Rush > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 6/8/2007 4:43:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke > > > > ~groan~ I love "groaners!" keep it up! > > > ROCKHOUND > > (Larry Rush, With Apologies to Joyce Kilmer) > > (Please ask for reprint permission) > > > I think that I have never found, > A man as looney as a rockhound. > > A nut whose body is often pressed, > Against a quarry's muddy breast. > > An addict who breaks hard rocks all day, > And lifts his sweaty arms to "play". > > A fool that may in summer wear, > A nest of black flies in his hair. > > An idiot who must have lost his brain, > To go out smashing rocks in rain. > > A medical jerk who stops when this harm, > Creates shooting pains to run up his arm. > > An obsessive chap who risks divorce, > When his mate at last has to threaten force. > > Minerals are made by Nature underground, > But God really goofed when he made a rockhound. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tim at orerockon.com Sat Jun 9 10:54:23 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat Jun 9 10:54:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silly question re cat litter In-Reply-To: <466A1F86.12BA@Tomaszewski.net> References: <46695FE80001DDDA@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> <466A1F86.12BA@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070609105224.023068e0@mail.spiritone.com> So on topic that a few of our better picture jaspers come from bentonite pits, i.e. the "Kitty Litter" jasper from Succor Creek OR. At 08:33 PM 6/8/2007, you wrote: >'Kitty Litter' was invented by Cassapolis, Michigan, lumberyard owner H. >Edward Lowe in 1947. It was basically dried ground clay. > >Clumping litter was introduced in 1989. The secret was making smaller >granules, and adding sodium bentonite (another clay). BTW, the smaller >granules tend to stick to cat paws and get tracked around the litter >box. > >And to try to keep this on topic, light colored clays are preferred >because they absorb more water than dark colored clays (that become >muddy when wet). > >More details on making cat litter, from clay and other materials, can be >found at > > http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Cat-Litter.html > >Roughly a third of American households have a cat, and cat litter is >nearly a billion $ business annually. Clay science is big business and >on-topic. > >Kreigh > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From ic420999 at ohio.edu Fri Jun 8 19:24:45 2007 From: ic420999 at ohio.edu (ic420999@ohio.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 11:02:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Beach collecting In-Reply-To: <200706090101.l5911lnK027339@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200706090101.l5911lnK027339@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <1181355885.466a0f6d8c252@webmail.ohio.edu> Hello everyone. My name is Isaac. I have been lurking for a few months but have never posted to the list. I collect labradorite(anorthosite), Unakite, and other rocks I can not identify on the beach. Lake Erie beaches in Saybrook, OH are littered with billions of mixed up rocks transported by the glaciers. It's sort of like a rock hounds dream and nightmare all at the same time. The mineral diversity is almost overwhelming. Does anyone know if there is a book with pictures, that deals exclusively with documenting glacial till or maybe just feldspars and granites. Over the years I have learned more and more about what I find on the beach, but there is so much I don't know. -Isaac From kcbaran at arczip.com Sat Jun 9 18:06:45 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:09:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte Message-ID: <466B4EA5.7020104@arczip.com> Do any of you fine folks have information on and directions to Opal Butte, Oregon? I will be coming from Vancouver, Wa. I thank you for your help. Chuck. From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jun 9 20:50:34 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jun 9 20:49:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for source for lead-bearing feldspar, Broken Hill, NSW, AU Message-ID: <466B750A.2010908@verizon.net> Howdy, I am looking to obtain quantities of the lead-bearing orthoclase from Parnell Mine, Broken Hill district, Australia. I found one or two small unremarkable pieces on the European market for high prices, but the material isn't that spectacular and I'm sure I can do better, especially from the source. I have enough from my geochemistry professor to do a microprobe analysis and a mass spectrometer analysis, which in plain English means I can get all the major and minor elements and trace chemistry. If I'm lucky and I can ever get the microprobe operator on the phone, I can do that by the end of next week. But I need enough to do powder x-ray diffraction, because I want to get an idea of the structure. Also if I'm lucky I can talk the crystallographer into doing single-crystal diffraction; oddly enough, the single-crystal system doesn't belong to the geology department. Google Groups won't let me create an account--too much security on my computer--so if anyone is a member of eminerals on Google Groups, I would appreciate if they would pass on this request directly to the Australians. best, Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Jun 9 23:15:43 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 9 23:15:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Beach collecting Message-ID: Hi Isaac, I know of several paperback books that may be just what you are looking for. The one that first came to mind, and that I like very much, is "Is This an Agate", by Susan Robinson. Although it's got just "agate" in the title, it has really excellent descriptions and illustrations--color paintings by the author--of most of the kinds of rocks that one might find in Great Lakes beach pebbles. I love her paintings (Susan is a friend), and this is a really neat little book. I have seen two of the other three books I've listed below too, and all might be useful to you. Although none are specifically about "your" Great Lake (Erie), most of the same types of rocks occur on beaches in the whole region. Susan's book is not listed (except for resale at a quite high price) on amazon.com, but the rest are, and I'm sure you can write to Susan Robinson (email address given below) and see if the book is still available through her. Of course, if and when you get to wanting a more detailed level of information about the rocks you are finding, I'm sure you'll locate many other more books of a technical nature. Good luck and happy hunting, Pete Modreski Is This an Agate? An Illustrated Guide to Lake Superior's Beach Stones, Michigan by Susan Robinson. Book Concern Printers, Hancock, Mich. 23 pages; 2001; $7.95 (softbound). Add $1 if ordering from the author (susanmrobinson@hotmail. com); Mich. residents must add sales tax. a review in: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_6_76/ai_80312796 Lake Michigan Rock Picker's Guide (Paperback) by Bruce Mueller (Author), Kevin Gauthier (Author) Rock Pickers Guide to Lake Superior's North Shore (North Woods Naturalist Guides) (Paperback) by Mark Stensaas (Author) Understanding and Finding Agates (Paperback) by Karen Brzys (Author) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 05:15:08 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Sun Jun 10 05:15:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke In-Reply-To: <000801c7aa0d$c65d5290$3bf9d04c@LarryRush> References: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <97175ae90706081247o3a89de06r653c3fbb44d6cda@mail.gmail.com> <000801c7aa0d$c65d5290$3bf9d04c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <97175ae90706100515l7f4ea38bg5ed3e1f0603eb714@mail.gmail.com> Larry, Thanks for sharing! I get so much pleasure form silly jokes, and I really like this one. I too am an editor (Indian Mounds Rock & Mineral Club of Wyoming, Michigan's Arrowhead News.) I can tell I am on editor vacation, as it didn't occur to me that I might see some newsletter material in response to my plea for more "funnies'! I also, would like to publish your poem (with credit, and a copy of the issue in which it apprears, given, of course!) Thanks much, Brenda Van Dyke On 6/8/07, Lawrence Rush wrote: > > > > ~groan~ I love "groaners!" keep it up! > > > ROCKHOUND > > (Larry Rush, With Apologies to Joyce Kilmer) > > (Please ask for reprint permission) > > > I think that I have never found, > A man as looney as a rockhound. > > A nut whose body is often pressed, > Against a quarry's muddy breast. > > An addict who breaks hard rocks all day, > And lifts his sweaty arms to "play". > > A fool that may in summer wear, > A nest of black flies in his hair. > > An idiot who must have lost his brain, > To go out smashing rocks in rain. > > A medical jerk who stops when this harm, > Creates shooting pains to run up his arm. > > An obsessive chap who risks divorce, > When his mate at last has to threaten force. > > Minerals are made by Nature underground, > But God really goofed when he made a rockhound. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 05:43:12 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Sun Jun 10 05:43:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Beach collecting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97175ae90706100543g3c2f836p86aa004afde955db@mail.gmail.com> Issac and Pete, >From a rockhound who, not to long ago was asking the same question (and would have loved to get this answer, as it seemed to take my husband and I too long to stumble upon the book on our own!) - I love your question and answer and would like to pass it on to other "newbies" via our club newsletter, may I print this? I would give credit and send the authors a copy of the issue in which it appears. Hopefully awaiting your reply, Brenda Van Dyke Editor, The Arrowhead News Indian Mounds Rock & Mineral Club www.IndianMoundsRockClub.com On 6/10/07, Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Isaac, > > I know of several paperback books that may be just what you are > looking for. > The one that first came to mind, and that I like very much, is "Is This > an > Agate", by Susan Robinson. Although it's got just "agate" in the title, > it > has really excellent descriptions and illustrations--color paintings by > the > author--of most of the kinds of rocks that one might find in Great Lakes > beach > pebbles. I love her paintings (Susan is a friend), and this is a really > neat > little book. I have seen two of the other three books I've listed below > too, and all might be useful to you. Although none are specifically > about > "your" Great Lake (Erie), most of the same types of rocks occur on > beaches in the > whole region. Susan's book is not listed (except for resale at a quite > high > price) on amazon.com, but the rest are, and I'm sure you can write to > Susan > Robinson (email address given below) and see if the book is still > available > through her. > > Of course, if and when you get to wanting a more detailed level of > information about the rocks you are finding, I'm sure you'll locate many > other more > books of a technical nature. > > Good luck and happy hunting, > Pete Modreski > > > > Is This an Agate? An Illustrated Guide to Lake Superior's Beach Stones, > Michigan by Susan Robinson. Book Concern Printers, Hancock, Mich. 23 > pages; > 2001; $7.95 (softbound). Add $1 if ordering from the author > (susanmrobinson@hotmail. com); Mich. residents must add sales tax. > a review in: > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDX/is_6_76/ai_80312796 > Lake Michigan Rock Picker's Guide (Paperback) > by Bruce Mueller (Author), Kevin Gauthier (Author) > Rock Pickers Guide to Lake Superior's North Shore (North Woods Naturalist > Guides) (Paperback) > by Mark Stensaas (Author) > Understanding and Finding Agates (Paperback) > by Karen Brzys (Author) > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Jun 10 05:46:09 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 10 05:46:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Beach collecting Message-ID: Brenda, Of course you use what I wrote, for your newsletter, Brenda. Thank you for asking, Pete Modreski ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 10 08:59:36 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 10 09:01:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Beach collecting References: Message-ID: <003a01c7ab78$5e61ee50$0300a8c0@warren> Hey, Pete - that's the first book that came to my mind as well. On our first rockhounding trip (Michigan/Colorado/Wyoming/Montana/Idaho/Washington - whew) we really had no idea what we were doing or what we were looking for. (I just grabbed a bunch of information off the internet.) We started, though, on the Keweenah Penninsula in Michigan, and learned a lot from that little book. In a lot of ways the paintings made it easier to identify rocks than many of the field guides we own. Julie > I know of several paperback books that may be just what you are looking > for. > The one that first came to mind, and that I like very much, is "Is This > an > Agate", by Susan Robinson. Although it's got just "agate" in the title, > it > has really excellent descriptions and illustrations--color paintings by > the > author--of most of the kinds of rocks that one might find in Great Lakes > beach > pebbles. From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 12:05:05 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Jun 10 12:05:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <4664FD53.3020101@iglide.net> References: <200706050101.l5511NPj031497@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <4664FD53.3020101@iglide.net> Message-ID: I clicked on the ebay link. The auction is over and there was 1 bid. Did he get $80,000? Will he report it to the IRS? Grant On 6/4/07, jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: > Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon > Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's > eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You > know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. > > Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > My, my, the things we find in this world. > > Kelly From bilmcc1948 at msn.com Sun Jun 10 15:12:20 2007 From: bilmcc1948 at msn.com (Kirk McCullough) Date: Sun Jun 10 15:12:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He got an offer not a bid, so it was probably less than what he was asking. --Bill McCullough >From: "Grant Johnston" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:05:05 -0700 > >I clicked on the ebay link. The auction is over and there was 1 bid. >Did he get $80,000? Will he report it to the IRS? > >Grant > >On 6/4/07, jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: >>Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon >>Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's >>eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You >>know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. >> >>Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >>My, my, the things we find in this world. >> >>Kelly >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 10 15:14:23 2007 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sun Jun 10 15:14:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <93254.38334.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting. It wasn't a bid, it was an "offer" and the offer was declined. I've never heard of "offer"s on eBay auction lots. Flint Grant Johnston wrote: I clicked on the ebay link. The auction is over and there was 1 bid. Did he get $80,000? Will he report it to the IRS? Grant On 6/4/07, jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: > Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon > Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's > eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You > know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. > > Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out there: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > My, my, the things we find in this world. > > Kelly -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jun 10 15:22:05 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jun 10 15:21:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] was: Digest... now: variscite nodule In-Reply-To: <93254.38334.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <93254.38334.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <466C798D.3060902@verizon.net> Flint Smith wrote: > Interesting. It wasn't a bid, it was an "offer" and the offer was declined. > > I've never heard of "offer"s on eBay auction lots. Yeah, it's another confusing way of bidding. I miss the early days of eBay. It's relatively new. Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 10 17:12:10 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 10 17:09:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for source for lead-bearing feldspar, Broken Hill, NSW, AU References: <466B750A.2010908@verizon.net> Message-ID: <466C92AF.495B@Tomaszewski.net> Don, Out of curiosity, what are you trying to learn that you couldn't look up? I thought the Broken Hill ore bodies were pretty well understood. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Howdy, > > I am looking to obtain quantities of the lead-bearing orthoclase from > Parnell Mine, Broken Hill district, Australia. I found one or two small > unremarkable pieces on the European market for high prices, but the > material isn't that spectacular and I'm sure I can do better, especially > from the source. > > I have enough from my geochemistry professor to do a microprobe analysis > and a mass spectrometer analysis, which in plain English means I can get > all the major and minor elements and trace chemistry. If I'm lucky and > I can ever get the microprobe operator on the phone, I can do that by > the end of next week. But I need enough to do powder x-ray diffraction, > because I want to get an idea of the structure. Also if I'm lucky I can > talk the crystallographer into doing single-crystal diffraction; oddly > enough, the single-crystal system doesn't belong to the geology > department. > > Google Groups won't let me create an account--too much security on my > computer--so if anyone is a member of eminerals on Google Groups, I > would appreciate if they would pass on this request directly to the > Australians. > > best, > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jun 10 18:19:52 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jun 10 18:19:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for source for lead-bearing feldspar, Broken Hill, NSW, AU In-Reply-To: <466C92AF.495B@Tomaszewski.net> References: <466B750A.2010908@verizon.net> <466C92AF.495B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <466CA338.2010402@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Don, > > Out of curiosity, what are you trying to learn that you couldn't look > up? I thought the Broken Hill ore bodies were pretty well understood. It depends on what you consider pretty well understood. In many cases an ore district will be studied for the ore deposits, but not always for the accessory minerals. Franklin, Mont-Saint Hilaire, The Foote Mine, and Tsumeb are examples of districts that were studied and published far beyond the necessities of economic geology. There have been some papers published on this material, but they leave some questions unaswered. The simple matter is that this is a unique material and, since I am doing my thesis on feldpars, it presents an opportunity to compare what I can determine against data already published. Indeed, many papers refer to conclusions or present selected data, but I would also like to have my own library of microprobe and ICP-MS data, and powder patterns. I have heard that there are two versions of this material, one more and one less saturated in color. Perhaps there is a difference between them. best, Don From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jun 10 19:08:36 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 10 19:08:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] changing topic In-Reply-To: <466C798D.3060902@verizon.net> References: <93254.38334.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <466C798D.3060902@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46695FE800042C51@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Thank you, Don, for changing the topic in the Subject line! Please, everyone on Digest, change the topic from "...Digest vol #." to an appropriate subject. And everyone else, if someone on Digest forgets to change it, please do so when you reply. Many thanks. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team member) At 12:22 PM 6/10/2007, Don H wrote: Re: [Rockhounds] was: Digest... now: variscite nodule >Yeah, it's another confusing way of bidding. I miss the early days >of eBay. It's relatively new. > >Don From kcbaran at arczip.com Sun Jun 10 19:06:46 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sun Jun 10 19:13:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Fwd: Opal Butte] Message-ID: <466CAE36.5090501@arczip.com> I honestly don't know if my first message worked or not. If so, I'm sorry for the redundancy. In any case, thank you for your help. Chuck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Opal Butte Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:06:45 -0700 From: Charles Baran To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Do any of you fine folks have information on and directions to Opal Butte, Oregon? I will be coming from Vancouver, Wa. I thank you for your help. Chuck. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jun 10 21:44:33 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jun 10 21:44:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] paging Tim Fisher In-Reply-To: References: <462D6088.252B@Tomaszewski.net> <000601c78983$5f64a160$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <46353CA4.4FC3@Tomaszewski.net> <001601c78e69$ae5d2a40$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <463C0862.611@Tomaszewski.net> <001201c78fc4$5e7fe330$6601a8c0@AxelHP> <00ac01c7a3db$37bdcf20$0200a8c0@secretary> <000601c7a44d$7703e710$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <001101c7a46c$637d5590$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <466CD331.2060309@verizon.net> Tim Fisher, please contact me off-list, I don't have your personal e-mail. Sorry to bother the group. Don From shermick at msn.com Sun Jun 10 12:46:15 2007 From: shermick at msn.com (D MICKELBERRY) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:07:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw Message-ID: Hi there We have a 14" slab saw we have noticed when replacing the blade, the blade when spinning has a spot where it is harder to spin, It does not spin freely. Does this mean the shaft if bent? Or a bearing is bad? Thanks Sheri --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From onehawkz at gmail.com Sun Jun 10 18:18:34 2007 From: onehawkz at gmail.com (Robert Denton) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:07:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte In-Reply-To: <466B4EA5.7020104@arczip.com> References: <466B4EA5.7020104@arczip.com> Message-ID: Opal Butte is in SW Oregon. Near the Steens. It is also not far from the Peacock Mine. They are responsive to email and it might be good to ask them. I have also heard that there is now some opal mining there (Steens) but I have been gone from that area for some time. Good Luck Robert On 6/9/07, Charles Baran wrote: > Do any of you fine folks have information on and directions to Opal > Butte, Oregon? I will be coming from Vancouver, Wa. I thank you for > your help. Chuck. > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From ic420999 at ohio.edu Sun Jun 10 20:50:01 2007 From: ic420999 at ohio.edu (ic420999@ohio.edu) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:07:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Beach collecting Message-ID: <1181533801.466cc669c49c9@webmail.ohio.edu> Pete thank you for the list of resources. I'm very excited to acquire the books you listed especially the book by Suzann Roberts. Brenda, feel free to quote my question. A review of "Is This An Agate", discussed, Lake Superior Agates, petoskey stones and Isle Royale Greenstones. Are they all from the lake Superior regional bedrock? I have never seen them on my beach. Regardless it looks like a great book. Thank you! From RicSchager at aol.com Mon Jun 11 11:29:14 2007 From: RicSchager at aol.com (RicSchager@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 11 11:29:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte Message-ID: I recall that it is in SE Oregon. Rich. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jaybates at rcn.com Mon Jun 11 12:05:24 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Mon Jun 11 12:00:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw References: Message-ID: <001301c7ac5b$779c93a0$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> If the shaft was bent the blade would bobble. Look to see if the blade or pulleys are hitting or scraping somewhere. Try taking off the belt and see if the hard spot disappears. If so look at the pulleys or motor for problems. ----- Original Message ----- From: D MICKELBERRY To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw Hi there We have a 14" slab saw we have noticed when replacing the blade, the blade when spinning has a spot where it is harder to spin, It does not spin freely. Does this mean the shaft if bent? Or a bearing is bad? Thanks Sheri --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/07 12:47 PM From jaybates at rcn.com Mon Jun 11 12:31:49 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Mon Jun 11 12:27:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte References: <466B4EA5.7020104@arczip.com> Message-ID: <000901c7ac5f$2890d740$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> I am not sure what Opal Butte you are referring to, but the one most people are familiar with is in north central Oregon in Morrow County. Last I heard Opal Butte is under claim and not open to collecting. There is a Glass Butte near Hampton that is open to collecting. I am not aware of an Opal Butte near the Steins and can't find it on my map. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Denton To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte > Opal Butte is in SW Oregon. Near the Steens. It is also not far from > the Peacock Mine. They are responsive to email and it might be good > to ask them. I have also heard that there is now some opal mining > there (Steens) but I have been gone from that area for some time. > > Good Luck > > Robert > > On 6/9/07, Charles Baran wrote: > > Do any of you fine folks have information on and directions to Opal > > Butte, Oregon? I will be coming from Vancouver, Wa. I thank you for > > your help. Chuck. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/07 12:47 PM > > From kcbaran at arczip.com Mon Jun 11 12:32:05 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Mon Jun 11 12:34:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <466DA335.4080903@arczip.com> Thanks everyone, for your help. Chuck RicSchager@aol.com wrote: >I recall that it is in SE Oregon. > >Rich. > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jun 11 14:33:55 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 11 14:31:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw References: Message-ID: <466DBF29.3A5F@Tomaszewski.net> If the shaft is bent the blade will wobble as you turn it. D MICKELBERRY wrote: > > Hi there > > We have a 14" slab saw we have noticed when replacing the blade, the blade when spinning has a spot where it is harder to spin, It does not spin freely. Does this mean the shaft if bent? Or a bearing is bad? > > Thanks > Sheri > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From davisj at earthlink.net Mon Jun 11 15:31:55 2007 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Mon Jun 11 15:32:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw In-Reply-To: <001301c7ac5b$779c93a0$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: I would second the idea to look at the pulleys....take the guard off and look at the pulleys as you rotate the blade. I have had problems with the set setscrew in the pulleys, particularly of the hole in the pulley has started to wallow out. Also take the drive belt off the pulley and rotate the blade to immediately determine if it is a shaft or bearing problem or motor/pulley/drive problem. From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 11 16:23:47 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jun 11 16:23:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke References: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com><97175ae90706081247o3a89de06r653c3fbb44d6cda@mail.gmail.com><000801c7aa0d$c65d5290$3bf9d04c@LarryRush> <97175ae90706100515l7f4ea38bg5ed3e1f0603eb714@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01c7ac7f$8fd14870$bbf8d24c@LarryRush> Brenda: Maybe you can use the attached, as well. If not, no problem......(Senior Rocks is not mine, I don't know who wrote that) Larry Rush ================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke > Larry, > > Thanks for sharing! I get so much pleasure form silly jokes, and I really > like this one. I too am an editor (Indian Mounds Rock & Mineral Club of > Wyoming, Michigan's Arrowhead News.) I can tell I am on editor vacation, > as > it didn't occur to me that I might see some newsletter material in > response > to my plea for more "funnies'! I also, would like to publish your poem > (with credit, and a copy of the issue in which it apprears, given, of > course!) > > Thanks much, > Brenda Van Dyke > > > On 6/8/07, Lawrence Rush wrote: >> >> >> > ~groan~ I love "groaners!" keep it up! >> >> >> ROCKHOUND >> >> (Larry Rush, With Apologies to Joyce Kilmer) >> >> (Please ask for reprint permission) >> >> >> I think that I have never found, >> A man as looney as a rockhound. >> >> A nut whose body is often pressed, >> Against a quarry's muddy breast. >> >> An addict who breaks hard rocks all day, >> And lifts his sweaty arms to "play". >> >> A fool that may in summer wear, >> A nest of black flies in his hair. >> >> An idiot who must have lost his brain, >> To go out smashing rocks in rain. >> >> A medical jerk who stops when this harm, >> Creates shooting pains to run up his arm. >> >> An obsessive chap who risks divorce, >> When his mate at last has to threaten force. >> >> Minerals are made by Nature underground, >> But God really goofed when he made a rockhound. >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/msword application/msword application/msword --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 11 17:00:59 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Jun 11 17:00:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke References: <200706081722.l58HMJsf020760@bubbleator.drizzle.com><97175ae90706081247o3a89de06r653c3fbb44d6cda@mail.gmail.com><000801c7aa0d$c65d5290$3bf9d04c@LarryRush><97175ae90706100515l7f4ea38bg5ed3e1f0603eb714@mail.gmail.com> <003c01c7ac7f$8fd14870$bbf8d24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000e01c7ac84$c28009a0$bbf8d24c@LarryRush> Please excuse me! That should not have gone to the list...Either age or fatigue, take your pick! Larry =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke > Brenda: Maybe you can use the attached, as well. If not, no > problem......(Senior Rocks is not mine, I don't know who wrote that) > > Larry Rush > > ================================ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick & Brenda Van Dyke" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Good geology joke > > >> Larry, >> >> Thanks for sharing! I get so much pleasure form silly jokes, and I >> really >> like this one. I too am an editor (Indian Mounds Rock & Mineral Club of >> Wyoming, Michigan's Arrowhead News.) I can tell I am on editor vacation, >> as >> it didn't occur to me that I might see some newsletter material in >> response >> to my plea for more "funnies'! I also, would like to publish your poem >> (with credit, and a copy of the issue in which it apprears, given, of >> course!) >> >> Thanks much, >> Brenda Van Dyke >> >> >> On 6/8/07, Lawrence Rush wrote: >>> >>> >>> > ~groan~ I love "groaners!" keep it up! >>> >>> >>> ROCKHOUND >>> >>> (Larry Rush, With Apologies to Joyce Kilmer) >>> >>> (Please ask for reprint permission) >>> >>> >>> I think that I have never found, >>> A man as looney as a rockhound. >>> >>> A nut whose body is often pressed, >>> Against a quarry's muddy breast. >>> >>> An addict who breaks hard rocks all day, >>> And lifts his sweaty arms to "play". >>> >>> A fool that may in summer wear, >>> A nest of black flies in his hair. >>> >>> An idiot who must have lost his brain, >>> To go out smashing rocks in rain. >>> >>> A medical jerk who stops when this harm, >>> Creates shooting pains to run up his arm. >>> >>> An obsessive chap who risks divorce, >>> When his mate at last has to threaten force. >>> >>> Minerals are made by Nature underground, >>> But God really goofed when he made a rockhound. >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ > html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/msword > application/msword > application/msword > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Jun 11 17:58:09 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Jun 11 17:58:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Evolution, except for the Triassic period Message-ID: <006801c7ac8c$be6fdef0$6601a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> This is funny! Alan I Believe In Evolution, Except For The Whole Triassic Period By Stephen Jossler May 30, 2007 | Issue 43*22 I consider myself a rational person. When I have a question, I turn to science and logic to find the answer. Regarding the origins of life, science tells us that humans evolved from single-celled organisms to our current form through a process of natural selection that took billions of years. This much is clear to anyone with any background in modern thinking. We can look at the fossil record and trace many of our genetic traits back to ancient species. In fact, scientific reasoning can explain nearly every stage of life from the Big Bang to the present day. I say "nearly" because the period that scientists claim lasted from roughly 205 to 250 million years ago, commonly known as the Triassic period, was quite obviously the work of the Lord God Almighty. Don't get me wrong: I'm not one of those religious nut cases who denies that evolution is real. Of course evolution is real, just not during the "Triassic period." This so-called Triassic period saw the formation of scleractinian corals and a slight changeover from warm-blooded therapsids to cold-blooded archosauromorphs. Clearly, such breathtakingly subtle modifications could only have been achieved by an active intelligence. The secular Triassicists would have you believe that these changes were just the result of millions of years of nature favoring certain genes over others in order to adapt, the same way evolution worked prior to the Triassic. Obviously, that doesn't make any sense. Think about it: I'm supposed to believe that the same process that we know slowly changed us from simple bacteria into highly advanced reptiles over the course of the Paleozoic era is also responsible for turning us into highly advanced reptiles with different body lengths? Do these people ever pause to think how ridiculous they sound as they advance these theories? For a half-dozen million years, life advanced from prokaryotes to primitive fish to mammal-like reptiles via natural selection, and we're supposed to believe that that just continued happening? I don't think so. Isn't it much more likely that a formless, invisible deity intervened, temporarily stopped the course of evolution, and shaped each and every trilobite over a period of six days? Of course it is, at least to any objective observer. So, if you follow my reasoning to its logical end, the only sound conclusion is that, at some point, God paused evolution and stepped in, made a few modifications, and boom! Pterosaurs. There is simply no way evolution alone could be responsible for the giant leap between archosaurs and other, different archosaurs with better developed hip joints and slightly differently shaped teeth. Everything about the Triassic period points to divine involvement. Let me ask you this: Could some kind of random genetic chance make the population of shelled cephalopods grow significantly? No, of course not. So the only logical explanation is that there was an infinite and all-knowing cephalopod creator who modified their mollusk foot into a muscular hydrostat that eventually, on the sixth day, became a tentacle. So, when I tell you that after the Paleozoic era, Ceratodon lungfish became relatively common, it naturally follows that someone created that lungfish by hand and then took out one of its lungfish ribs and combined it with the dust of the Earth to create a female lungfish. In the beginning, there were a few billion years of speciation and gene drift. And then nothing. And then, God made the lungfish and the trilobites, the ichthyosaurs and ammonoids with more complex suture patterns. He also made a couple new ferns. And the Lord saw that these slight modifications were good, and allowed evolution to resume as normal in the Jurassic period and on up to the present day. Now that I've inarguably proven the truth, we need to take a stand against these pseudoscientists who are misrepresenting 300-million-year-old fossils as 230-million-year-old fossils and claiming the Earth is 44 million years and 51 weeks older than it really is. We need to get the Triassic period expunged from our public schools' evolutionary textbooks. I don't want my children to be exposed to this blasphemous Triassic garbage, and I assume you don't want your children to be, either. They need to know that God is watching over them always, and that he has a plan for each and every one of them-a nonlinear, probabilistic plan he set in motion more than three billion years ago with single-celled organisms, ended with a group of small, lizard-like herbivores, infused with a bunch of miracles, and then restarted. We can no longer ignore the empirical evidence. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Mon Jun 11 18:26:42 2007 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Mon Jun 11 18:26:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Acetric Acid Message-ID: <556034.93082.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have experimented with acetic acid on stone. It bubbled greatly when I first put it in. Does acetic acid lose its effectiveness? There seems to be a great deal of calcite left to dissolve but it is no longer bubbling. Do I need to put it in a fresh batch of vinegar? Thanks for your help. June --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Mon Jun 11 18:26:50 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Mon Jun 11 18:30:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Acetric Acid In-Reply-To: <556034.93082.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <556034.93082.qm@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <466DF65A.1010905@arczip.com> It is changing from an acid to a "neutral". The calcite is countering the acid. You will need fresh vinegar. Chuck June Young wrote: >I have experimented with acetic acid on stone. It bubbled greatly when I first put it in. Does acetic acid lose its effectiveness? There seems to be a great deal of calcite left to dissolve but it is no longer bubbling. Do I need to put it in a fresh batch of vinegar? > Thanks for your help. > June > > >--------------------------------- >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From Lapidry at aol.com Mon Jun 11 18:32:08 2007 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 11 18:32:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2007 2:11:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shermick@msn.com writes: Hi there We have a 14" slab saw we have noticed when replacing the blade, the blade when spinning has a spot where it is harder to spin, It does not spin freely. Does this mean the shaft if bent? Or a bearing is bad? Thanks Sheri Could be either. Most Lortones use locking collar bearings so a bad bearing would be the same place on the shaft all the time. You'd have to take the shaft apart to see. If you need a couple new bearings, try eBay. I got new ones for a couple 10 inch saws for about $5 apiece compared to the $25 quoted by the local repair shop. When you need two per saw and replace bearings on two saws, $20 plus $5 shipping sure seems a lot better than $100 plus $8 tax. They even turned out to be the same brand and everything. Dan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Jun 11 20:08:17 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Jun 11 20:08:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Clement show 2008 - save the date! Message-ID: <014601c7ac9e$ecb16f10$6601a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> For those interested, the Clement Mineral Museum's 3rd annual show and dig will be June 7 & 8. I've been discussing ideas for improving the weekend event, including having a more expensive dig by buying good fluorite-bearing rock from Cave in Rock to be dumped at the museum. I visited my contacts over there and they let me poke around for a couple of hours for the first time since 2003. I was able to fill my pick up truck with fluorite - most destined for the Clement Museum's kid's dig activity. Unfortunately they are still qiite adamant about not letting rockhounds in, so I am not naming the location for those who want to try themselves. Those familiar with Cave in Rock probably know who I'm talking about. We are going to try to get some other mine dumps in the area added to the list. There are some nice possibilities that I hope we can investigate. For fluorescent mineral collectors, the Columbia mine is quite spectacular. Multi-colored specimens are not rare. Some dark patches phosphoresce bright blue. We collected in a thunderstorm this year. We are going to do a better job marketing the show. If your club would like to have information for its newsletter, contact me directly. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tim at orerockon.com Mon Jun 11 22:30:25 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Jun 11 22:27:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte In-Reply-To: <000901c7ac5f$2890d740$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> References: <466B4EA5.7020104@arczip.com> <000901c7ac5f$2890d740$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> Message-ID: <200706120527.l5C5RZRM018765@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Contact West Coast Gemstones, College Park WA for current information. At 12:31 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: >I am not sure what Opal Butte you are referring to, but the one most people >are familiar with is in north central Oregon in Morrow County. Last I heard >Opal Butte is under claim and not open to collecting. There is a Glass Butte >near Hampton that is open to collecting. I am not aware of an Opal Butte >near the Steins and can't find it on my map. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robert Denton >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Opal Butte > > > > Opal Butte is in SW Oregon. Near the Steens. It is also not far from > > the Peacock Mine. They are responsive to email and it might be good > > to ask them. I have also heard that there is now some opal mining > > there (Steens) but I have been gone from that area for some time. > > > > Good Luck > > > > Robert > > > > On 6/9/07, Charles Baran wrote: > > > Do any of you fine folks have information on and directions to Opal > > > Butte, Oregon? I will be coming from Vancouver, Wa. I thank you for > > > your help. Chuck. > > > -- Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From magnet at crocoite.com Tue Jun 12 03:05:34 2007 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 03:05:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for source for lead-bearing feldspar, Broken Hill, NSW, AU Message-ID: <20070612100534.16978.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi Don It also occurs in more than the one mine in the district. I have a piece that I collected myself from the Block 14 Open Cut (South Mine, main Line of Lode) and another from the 9-Mile Mine (which is not, as you might have guessed it, 9 miles from Broken Hill - its actually 8 km from the centre of town!). Ian Plimer's book: 'Minerals and Rocks of the Broken Hill, White Cliffs and Tibooburra Districts' has descriptions of a number of mines in the area, along with their mineralogy. He says (p30) that Broken Hill-type deposits are characterised by the presence of galena, sphalerite, blue quartz, spessartine, other Mn silicates, gahnite, and green feldspar (lead-bearing orthocalse). There are 'Broken Hill-type deposits' elsewhere in the world and it would be interesting to see if they too, have green feldspar. The difference in colour could be person-induced. Its said that it turns a darker green on long exposure to sunlight. I know that this is a different species, but have you done any work on the blue or blue-green 'amazonite' microcline feldspar? Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ Don wrote: > I have heard that there are two versions of this material, one more and > one less saturated in color. Perhaps there is a difference between them. From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jun 12 09:22:43 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jun 12 09:22:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for source for lead-bearing feldspar, Broken Hill, NSW, AU In-Reply-To: <20070612100534.16978.qmail@webmachine101.com> References: <20070612100534.16978.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <466EC853.7030709@verizon.net> magnet wrote: > I know that this is a different species, but have you done any work on the blue or blue-green 'amazonite' microcline feldspar? Thanks! I should leave a piece out in the sun to see what happens. I have two pieces of green microcline mounted up and ready to probe on Friday, along with this feldspar. The amazonites of the world have been well studied. If you're interested I will send you the results, but I expect they will be in line with material already published. If you know of a source for any pieces that would be nice--especially since there is more than one locality. best, Don From george at stonejungle.com Mon Jun 11 18:36:40 2007 From: george at stonejungle.com (George Winters) Date: Tue Jun 12 10:15:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: [Paleolist] Evolution, except for the Triassic period Message-ID: <20070611183640.f399a37e1266d72318fc26f582b6c6d8.4581c68f38.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Thank you, after the horrible Sopranos' ending last evening, I needed a good laugh! George Winters 96 East 700 South Logan, UT 84321-5555 office: 435-752-7145 cell: 435-757-6017 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Paleolist] Evolution, except for the Triassic period From: "Alan Goldstein" <deepskyspy@insightbb.com> Date: Mon, June 11, 2007 6:58 pm To: "PaleoList" <paleolist@notkin.net> Cc: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com This is funny! Alan I Believe In Evolution, Except For The Whole Triassic Period By Stephen Jossler May 30, 2007 | Issue 43*22 < http://www.theonion.com/content/index/4322 >  I consider myself a rational person. When I have a question, I turn to science and logic to find the answer. Regarding the origins of life, science tells us that humans evolved from single-celled organisms to our current form through a process of natural selection that took billions of years. This much is clear to anyone with any background in modern thinking. We can look at the fossil record and trace many of our genetic traits back to ancient species. In fact, scientific reasoning can explain nearly every stage of life from the Big Bang to the present day. I say "nearly" because the period that scientists claim lasted from roughly 205 to 250 million years ago, commonly known as the Triassic period, was quite obviously the work of the Lord God Almighty. Don't get me wrong: I'm not one of those religious nut cases who denies that evolution is real. Of course evolution is real, just not during the "Triassic period." This so-called Triassic period saw the formation of scleractinian corals and a slight changeover from warm-blooded therapsids to cold-blooded archosauromorphs. Clearly, such breathtakingly subtle modifications could only have been achieved by an active intelligence. The secular Triassicists would have you believe that these changes were just the result of millions of years of nature favoring certain genes over others in order to adapt, the same way evolution worked prior to the Triassic. Obviously, that doesn't make any sense. Think about it: I'm supposed to believe that the same process that we know slowly changed us from simple bacteria into highly advanced reptiles over the course of the Paleozoic era is also responsible for turning us into highly advanced reptiles with different body lengths? Do these people ev er pause to think how ridiculous they sound as they advance these theories? For a half-dozen million years, life advanced from prokaryotes to primitive fish to mammal-like reptiles via natural selection, and we're supposed to believe that that just continued happening? I don't think so. Isn't it much more likely that a formless, invisible deity intervened, temporarily stopped the course of evolution, and shaped each and every trilobite over a period of six days? Of course it is, at least to any objective observer. So, if you follow my reasoning to its logical end, the only sound conclusion is that, at some point, God paused evolution and stepped in, made a few modifications, and boom! Pterosaurs. There is simply no way evolution alone could be responsible for the giant leap between archosaurs and other, different archosaurs with better developed hip joints and slightly differently shaped teeth. Everything about the Triassic period points to divine involvement. Let me ask you this: Could some kind of random genetic chance make the population of shelled cephalopods grow significantly? No, of course not. So the only logical explanation is that there was an infinite and all-knowing cephalopod creator who modified their mollusk foot into a muscular hydrostat that eventually, on the sixth day, became a tentacle. So, when I tell you that after the Paleozoic era, Ceratodon lungfish became relatively common, it naturally follows that someone created that lungfish by hand and then took out one of its lungfish ribs and combined it with the dust of the Earth to create a female lungfish. In the beginning, there were a few billion years of speciation and gene drift. And then nothing. And then, God made the lungfish and the trilobites, the ichthyosaurs and ammonoids with more complex suture patterns. He also made a couple new ferns. And the Lord saw that these slight modifications were good, and allowed evolution to resume as normal in the Jurassic period and on up to the present day. Now that I've inarguably proven the truth, we need to take a stand against these pseudoscientists who are misrepresenting 300-million-year-old fossils as 230-million-year-old fossils and claiming the Earth is 44 million years and 51 weeks older than it really is. We need to get the Triassic period expunged from our public schools' evolutionary textbooks. I don't want my children to be exposed to this blasphemous Triassic garbage, and I assume you don't want your children to be, either. They need to know that God is watching over them always, and that he has a plan for each and every one of them-a nonlinear, probabilistic plan he set in motion more than three billion years ago with single-celled organisms, ended with a group of small, lizard-like herbivores, infused with a bunch of miracles, and then restarted. We can no longer ignore the empirical evidence. _______________________________________________ http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/options/paleolist/) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Jun 12 11:32:50 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Jun 12 11:32:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: [Paleolist] Evolution, except for the Triassic period In-Reply-To: <20070611183640.f399a37e1266d72318fc26f582b6c6d8.4581c68f38.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20070611183640.f399a37e1266d72318fc26f582b6c6d8.4581c68f38.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <000701c7ad20$158a91b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> My kids are creationists. They think that the first cavemen (and women) were created by two Goddesses: Hannah and Barbera. Don't laugh! Every episode of the Flintstones begins and ends with "Created by Hannah & Barbera". I almost believe it myself. WILMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAxel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens George Winters > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 juni 2007 2:37 > Aan: The Paleolist > CC: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] RE: [Paleolist] Evolution,except for > the Triassic period > > Thank you, after the horrible Sopranos' ending last evening, > I needed a good laugh! > > George Winters > 96 East 700 South > Logan, UT 84321-5555 > office: 435-752-7145 > cell: 435-757-6017 > > > From eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 16:42:22 2007 From: eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net (eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jun 12 16:42:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Turquoise Message-ID: <061220072342.23950.466F2F5E0003D6C700005D8E2200751150099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Identifying turquoise from chrysocolla can sometimes be difficult. Can anyone help? I read somewhere that if turquoise looses minerals it can become Chalcosiderite and when that looses minerals it can become Variscite. Opinions? Thank you all Timm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jun 12 19:45:58 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jun 12 19:45:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale Message-ID: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> Howdy, I have seen many jokes about those signs: "watch for rock", "danger: falling rock," and people saying they pull over and wait, or they wish it would happen. Well be careful what you wish for. So there I was headed to Mica Mountain when this lovely object appeared in the road: http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/BFR2.jpg A few hours sooner and I might not be writing this story. It took quite a few small trees with it on the way down. I'm sure I would have been flattened or shoved off the side. I only have a 2-ton come-along so there was no way I was pulling it out of the road. Well anyway, it so happens this was just the granite pegmatite I was looking for. So I took off a small piece, marked the coordinates, tied on some flagging tape as decoration, and went on my way. This gives a new meaning to "deadfall." And I thought all the trees in the road were bad. Don From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jun 12 20:04:24 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jun 12 20:04:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale References: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001d01c7ad67$8bfc4130$6601a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> It looks like you put a bow on it as a gift for someone! The ultimate yard rock! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale > > Howdy, > > I have seen many jokes about those signs: "watch for rock", "danger: > falling rock," and people saying they pull over and wait, or they wish it > would happen. Well be careful what you wish for. > > So there I was headed to Mica Mountain when this lovely object appeared in > the road: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/BFR2.jpg > > A few hours sooner and I might not be writing this story. It took quite a > few small trees with it on the way down. I'm sure I would have been > flattened or shoved off the side. I only have a 2-ton come-along so there > was no way I was pulling it out of the road. Well anyway, it so happens > this was just the granite pegmatite I was looking for. So I took off a > small piece, marked the coordinates, tied on some flagging tape as > decoration, and went on my way. > > This gives a new meaning to "deadfall." And I thought all the trees in > the road were bad. > > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jun 12 20:22:07 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jun 12 20:21:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale In-Reply-To: <001d01c7ad67$8bfc4130$6601a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> <001d01c7ad67$8bfc4130$6601a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <466F62DF.8070703@verizon.net> Alan Goldstein wrote: > It looks like you put a bow on it as a gift for someone! The ultimate > yard rock! It was even bigger than it looks. It's a shame, it had some really nice huge mica in it, and some nice quartz/feldspar mixtures, you really can't tell in the photo. I met some folks who were on the way downhill, and it is common out here to stop and talk to people when you're out on the road, and they told me "yeah if you're going up to the mine there's a big rock in the way and it wasn't there this morning." They were on an ATV so they could get past it. I put some flagging tape on the trees leading up the trail and I felt like marking the boulder like a dog on a fireplug. I figure the Forest Service won't miss it when I call them to go get it. Or else I'll call Bennett Lumber; they probably have more interest in getting it out of the way. Sometimes ATVs go up there, even at dusk, and even though it's right there in the middle I thought I'd make it as safe as I could. I was going to stretch some flagging tape across the road but with my luck, some ATVer would get clotheslined on it. DD From Gslrocks at aol.com Tue Jun 12 20:26:33 2007 From: Gslrocks at aol.com (Gslrocks@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 20:26:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale Message-ID: That kind of reminds me of a rock that Don told me i could not drop off a rock face at the Trotter dump site in NJ....ROFL You should have put an empty beer on it and dedicated it to Paul and Axel over in Belgium! Greg ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From TBStrohl at aol.com Tue Jun 12 23:42:38 2007 From: TBStrohl at aol.com (TBStrohl@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 23:42:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] lortone saw Message-ID: ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Jun 13 03:23:03 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Jun 13 03:23:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01c7ada4$d3a3aef0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Why is it that people always associate me with beer??? What do you mean "read the archives"....??? Oh yes, I see, sorry about that. You're right! Belgians and beer are like the French and wine. We always assumed that French babies are baptized by whacking them over the head with a bottle of Champaign but then we learned that this is only done with large boats and planes. Just to demonstrate that... Aw, never mind... ROFLMAO Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Gslrocks@aol.com > Verzonden: woensdag 13 juni 2007 4:27 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale > > That kind of reminds me of a rock that Don told me i could > not drop off a > rock face at the Trotter dump site in NJ....ROFL You should > have put an empty > beer on it and dedicated it to Paul and Axel over in Belgium! > Greg > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Wed Jun 13 04:44:04 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed Jun 13 04:46:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale References: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001b01c7adb0$2492fa90$c51f9444@michael01> wow!! gift wrapped too! Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale > > Howdy, > > I have seen many jokes about those signs: "watch for rock", "danger: > falling rock," and people saying they pull over and wait, or they wish > it would happen. Well be careful what you wish for. > > So there I was headed to Mica Mountain when this lovely object appeared > in the road: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/BFR2.jpg > > A few hours sooner and I might not be writing this story. It took quite > a few small trees with it on the way down. I'm sure I would have been > flattened or shoved off the side. I only have a 2-ton come-along so > there was no way I was pulling it out of the road. Well anyway, it so > happens this was just the granite pegmatite I was looking for. So I > took off a small piece, marked the coordinates, tied on some flagging > tape as decoration, and went on my way. > > This gives a new meaning to "deadfall." And I thought all the trees in > the road were bad. > > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 13 18:04:38 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 13 18:04:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale References: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4670940C.3CD7@Tomaszewski.net> Don, I've got a spot in my yard where that rock would fit nicely. If I sent you an address label and a stamp, do you think the Post Office would do a package pickup and deliver it? Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Howdy, > > I have seen many jokes about those signs: "watch for rock", "danger: > falling rock," and people saying they pull over and wait, or they wish > it would happen. Well be careful what you wish for. > > So there I was headed to Mica Mountain when this lovely object appeared > in the road: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/BFR2.jpg > > A few hours sooner and I might not be writing this story. It took quite > a few small trees with it on the way down. I'm sure I would have been > flattened or shoved off the side. I only have a 2-ton come-along so > there was no way I was pulling it out of the road. Well anyway, it so > happens this was just the granite pegmatite I was looking for. So I > took off a small piece, marked the coordinates, tied on some flagging > tape as decoration, and went on my way. > > This gives a new meaning to "deadfall." And I thought all the trees in > the road were bad. > > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 > Content-Length: 3142 From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jun 13 18:22:44 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jun 13 18:22:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale In-Reply-To: <4670940C.3CD7@Tomaszewski.net> References: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> <4670940C.3CD7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46709864.40406@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Don, > > I've got a spot in my yard where that rock would fit nicely. If I sent > you an address label and a stamp, do you think the Post Office would do > a package pickup and deliver it? At today's rates, it would be cheaper to higher a small flatbed and ship it. If cleaned up and with fresh faces chipped, it would make a nice graphic rock. The intermixed textures of snow-white feldspar and gray quartz are punctuated by reflective books of muscovite. There is another piece up there, maybe 200 lbs., just full of huge subhedral black tourmalines and mica with quartz and feldspar. As far as I've seen it's the last and largest surface piece of that assemblage and should be preserved. If anybody comes out this way I'll show them where it is and help them get it out. Don From ajs at frii.com Wed Jun 13 21:11:56 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Wed Jun 13 21:11:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale In-Reply-To: <46709864.40406@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20070614041156.1865F1CC08@io.frii.com> > If cleaned up and with fresh faces chipped, it would make a nice > graphic rock. The intermixed textures of snow-white feldspar and gray > quartz are punctuated by reflective books of muscovite. Sounds good... I just added it to my collection. Paraphrasing Steven Wright: "I have the world's largest rock collection. Perhaps you've seen it? I keep it on all the hillsides of the world." The boulder in the picture is a nice addition. I'll enjoy it right where it landed, I guess. Speaking of which: Lichen keeps growing on a lot of my rocks. When I take them home for closer inspection, I find it difficult to remove the overgrowth. Soaking in water for days (or weeks) and scrubbing (a lot) with a toothbrush seems to work best, but it's slow and imperfect. Anyone here have ideas how to better separate the wheat, errr, lichen, from the chaff, err, stone? Thanks, Alan Silverstein From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Jun 14 03:54:22 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Jun 14 03:54:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale In-Reply-To: <20070614041156.1865F1CC08@io.frii.com> References: <46709864.40406@verizon.net> <20070614041156.1865F1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <001601c7ae72$5e2e8400$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Alan, We have a small locality (literally a few meters across) in the South-East of Belgium where scheeliet is found as thin crusts on rocks in a riverbed. The humid conditions promote the growth of lichen and some lichen is highly fluorescent. Hence, quite a few glowhounds have returned home with richly fluorescing lichen specimens but without scheelite. Axel Emmermann European Regional Vice President of the Fluorescent Mineral Society ========================= Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen/Antwerp Mineralogical Society Werkgroepleider/Workgroup leader: Fluorescerende mineralen/Fluorescent minerals Technische Realisaties/Engineering My website: > Speaking of which: Lichen keeps growing on a lot of my > rocks. When I take them home for closer inspection, I find > it difficult to remove the overgrowth. Soaking in water for > days (or weeks) and scrubbing (a lot) with a toothbrush seems > to work best, but it's slow and imperfect. > Anyone here have ideas how to better separate the wheat, > errr, lichen, from the chaff, err, stone? > > Thanks, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Thu Jun 14 05:23:30 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 14 05:23:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale In-Reply-To: <20070614041156.1865F1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <000801c7ae7e$d450dcd0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Alan Silverstein wrote: Speaking of which: Lichen keeps growing on a lot of my rocks. When I take them home for closer inspection, I find it difficult to remove the overgrowth. Soaking in water for days (or weeks) and scrubbing (a lot) with a toothbrush seems to work best, but it's slow and imperfect. Anyone here have ideas how to better separate the wheat, errr, lichen, from the chaff, err, stone? ------------------------------- Hi Alan, We have the same problem back here in the humid East, of course, and most of the specimens I've collected of the area's iron ores from mines a century or two old are green. An effective way of removing lichen and moss is to soak the specimens in Clorox for a few hours. After a while the organic material will be quite soft, often almost liquefied, and can easily be brushed off. Obviously this will not work for minerals susceptible to attack by strong oxidants, but those don't survive sitting at or near the surface in these parts anyway. The Clorox can be used over and over. Cheers- Earl From llbullbull at hotmail.com Thu Jun 14 16:29:08 2007 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Thu Jun 14 16:29:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale Message-ID: A water gun works just fine after soaking in water for a while. Larry Bull> From: everbeek@sterlinghillminingmuseum.org> To: ajs@frii.com; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:23:30 -0400> CC: > > > Alan Silverstein wrote:> Speaking of which: Lichen keeps growing on a lot of my rocks. When I> take them home for closer inspection, I find it difficult to remove the> overgrowth. Soaking in water for days (or weeks) and scrubbing (a lot)> with a toothbrush seems to work best, but it's slow and imperfect.> Anyone here have ideas how to better separate the wheat, errr, lichen,> from the chaff, err, stone?> -------------------------------> > Hi Alan,> > We have the same problem back here in the humid East, of course, and most of> the specimens I've collected of the area's iron ores from mines a century or> two old are green. An effective way of removing lichen and moss is to soak> the specimens in Clorox for a few hours. After a while the organic material> will be quite soft, often almost liquefied, and can easily be brushed off.> Obviously this will not work for minerals susceptible to attack by strong> oxidants, but those don't survive sitting at or near the surface in these> parts anyway. The Clorox can be used over and over.> > Cheers- Earl> > > > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Play free games, earn tickets, get cool prizes! Join Live Search Club.? http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Jun 14 17:09:28 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jun 14 17:06:51 2007 Subject: Removing Lichen {was: Re: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale} References: <20070614041156.1865F1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <4671D80A.305C@Tomaszewski.net> Alan, Soak it in Chlorox, or one of the mildew cleaners you use in the shower stall. Then scrub. If chemicals might damage the rock, put the rock in a pot of water and bring it to a boil. Scrub after it cools back down. Or just do a lot of scrubbing with a toothbrush. Kreigh Alan Silverstein wrote: > > > If cleaned up and with fresh faces chipped, it would make a nice > > graphic rock. The intermixed textures of snow-white feldspar and gray > > quartz are punctuated by reflective books of muscovite. > > Sounds good... I just added it to my collection. > > Paraphrasing Steven Wright: "I have the world's largest rock > collection. Perhaps you've seen it? I keep it on all the hillsides of > the world." The boulder in the picture is a nice addition. I'll enjoy > it right where it landed, I guess. > > Speaking of which: Lichen keeps growing on a lot of my rocks. When I > take them home for closer inspection, I find it difficult to remove the > overgrowth. Soaking in water for days (or weeks) and scrubbing (a lot) > with a toothbrush seems to work best, but it's slow and imperfect. > Anyone here have ideas how to better separate the wheat, errr, lichen, > from the chaff, err, stone? > > Thanks, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 14:48:45 2007 From: eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net (eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net) Date: Fri Jun 15 14:48:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise Message-ID: <061520072148.14038.4673093D000C326D000036D62200763692099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> I know there are many ways of Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise. One method uses hydrochloric acid. If the mineral dissolves, it is turquoise; if it doesn't, it is chrysocolla. I really don’t want to use acid or dissolve my turquoise. One Cabber told me that all the turquoise, when ground, runs off with a white slurry and if there is an odor it is a treated turquoise, with a plastic odor. Any other color slurry indicates a mineral other than turquoise. A black slurry with a noticeable odor, that sometimes has an arsenic scent, indicates a chrysocolla type. I am not sure if this is completely true? What about turquoise that is mixed or laced with another mineral like “Spider Web” turquoise. Is there a Turquoise Expert out there who can help? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 15 15:18:51 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 15 15:18:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise In-Reply-To: <061520072148.14038.4673093D000C326D000036D62200763692099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> References: <061520072148.14038.4673093D000C326D000036D62200763692099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003f01c7af9b$27436b70$6401a8c0@AxelHP> How would you describe an arsenic scent? Some people laugh when we speak of the scent of wet iron. Never smelled arsenic before and actually I find it an unhealthy idea... A bit like the taste of beryllium salts. Lethal. Arsine (AsH3) smells like garlic but you'd have to bring your ground turquoise in contact with nascent hydrogen to make that. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens > eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net > Verzonden: vrijdag 15 juni 2007 22:49 > Aan: Drizzle > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise > > I know there are many ways of Identifying Chrysocolla from > Turquoise. One method uses hydrochloric acid. If the mineral > dissolves, it is turquoise; if it doesn't, it is chrysocolla. > I really don't want to use acid or dissolve my turquoise. > > One Cabber told me that all the turquoise, when ground, runs > off with a white slurry and if there is an odor it is a > treated turquoise, with a plastic odor. Any other color > slurry indicates a mineral other than turquoise. A black > slurry with a noticeable odor, that sometimes has an arsenic > scent, indicates a chrysocolla type. > > I am not sure if this is completely true? What about > turquoise that is mixed or laced with another mineral like > "Spider Web" turquoise. > > Is there a Turquoise Expert out there who can help? > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 16:12:56 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:12:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral Message-ID: I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum foil since then, forgotten. I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile for scratch tests. The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm thick. I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what it could be? BK -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From rpr at heidelberg.edu Fri Jun 15 16:53:20 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Fri Jun 15 16:53:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating it from solution. Pete Richards On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > foil since then, forgotten. > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > for scratch tests. > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > thick. > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > it could be? > > BK > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 18:03:51 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 15 18:03:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: No fizz, I had to pulverize it and heat with Nitric for quite a while before it all went into solution. I'll check it for sulfates qualitatively. Of course it could have all sorts of other stuff in it like Ca, Mg, Na, K are Al to mention a few. BK On 6/15/07, R. Peter Richards wrote: > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > it from solution. > > Pete Richards > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > > for scratch tests. > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > thick. > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > it could be? > > > > BK > > > > > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > ___________________________________ > R. Peter Richards > rpr@heidelberg.edu > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 18:06:09 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 15 18:06:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: One other thing, no bright fluorescence under short wave uv. I didn't have a completely dark room so there may have been some faint fluorescence. BK On 6/15/07, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > No fizz, I had to pulverize it and heat with Nitric for quite a while > before it all went into solution. I'll check it for sulfates > qualitatively. Of course it could have all sorts of other stuff in it > like Ca, Mg, Na, K are Al to mention a few. > > BK > > On 6/15/07, R. Peter Richards wrote: > > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > > it from solution. > > > > Pete Richards > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > > > for scratch tests. > > > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > > thick. > > > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > > it could be? > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > J Bryan Kramer > > > North Florida, USA > > > photos at: > > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > ___________________________________ > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@heidelberg.edu > > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From MurowchickJ at umkc.edu Fri Jun 15 18:35:06 2007 From: MurowchickJ at umkc.edu (Murowchick, James) Date: Fri Jun 15 18:35:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> Bryan- If you'll send me a small chip (not necessarily a nice xl--just some of the dinged stuff)--I'll run it on XRD for you. I'd need at least a couple hundred milligrams, a little more would be better, but I might be able to do as little as 100mg. No charge. If you're feeling generous, I put any donations into our department scholarship fund, but that's just FYI. I'll be happy to run it for you in any case. Jim Murowchick Department of Geosciences University of Missouri-Kansas City 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd Kansas City, MO 64110 murowchickj@umkc.edu -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com on behalf of J Bryan Kramer Sent: Fri 6/15/2007 8:06 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral One other thing, no bright fluorescence under short wave uv. I didn't have a completely dark room so there may have been some faint fluorescence. BK On 6/15/07, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > No fizz, I had to pulverize it and heat with Nitric for quite a while > before it all went into solution. I'll check it for sulfates > qualitatively. Of course it could have all sorts of other stuff in it > like Ca, Mg, Na, K are Al to mention a few. > > BK > > On 6/15/07, R. Peter Richards wrote: > > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > > it from solution. > > > > Pete Richards > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > > > for scratch tests. > > > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > > thick. > > > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > > it could be? > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > J Bryan Kramer > > > North Florida, USA > > > photos at: > > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > ___________________________________ > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@heidelberg.edu > > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 15 18:52:01 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 15 18:52:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> Message-ID: Very generous offer, I'll get some off asap. Thanks, BK On 6/15/07, Murowchick, James wrote: > Bryan- > If you'll send me a small chip (not necessarily a nice xl--just some of the dinged stuff)--I'll run it on XRD for you. I'd need at least a couple hundred milligrams, a little more would be better, but I might be able to do as little as 100mg. No charge. If you're feeling generous, I put any donations into our department scholarship fund, but that's just FYI. I'll be happy to run it for you in any case. > > Jim Murowchick > Department of Geosciences > University of Missouri-Kansas City > 420 Flarsheim Hall > 5110 Rockhill Rd > Kansas City, MO 64110 > murowchickj@umkc.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com on behalf of J Bryan Kramer > Sent: Fri 6/15/2007 8:06 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > > One other thing, no bright fluorescence under short wave uv. I didn't > have a completely dark room so there may have been some faint > fluorescence. > > BK > > > On 6/15/07, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > No fizz, I had to pulverize it and heat with Nitric for quite a while > > before it all went into solution. I'll check it for sulfates > > qualitatively. Of course it could have all sorts of other stuff in it > > like Ca, Mg, Na, K are Al to mention a few. > > > > BK > > > > On 6/15/07, R. Peter Richards wrote: > > > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > > > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > > > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > > > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > > > it from solution. > > > > > > Pete Richards > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > > > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > > > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > > > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > > > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > > > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > > > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > > > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > > > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > > > > for scratch tests. > > > > > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > > > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > > > thick. > > > > > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > > > it could be? > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > J Bryan Kramer > > > > North Florida, USA > > > > photos at: > > > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > ___________________________________ > > > R. Peter Richards > > > rpr@heidelberg.edu > > > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 16 06:46:21 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Jun 16 06:46:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The hollow earth! References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu><13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> Message-ID: <001a01c7b01c$b98e44b0$a3fad24c@LarryRush> How could all those geologists been so wrong for so long??? (and who is Brooks Agnew, anyway?) From: "This is True", June 10, 2007 (www.thisistrue.com) SOMETHING'S DEFINITELY HOLLOW HERE: A "small band of believers" is planning a trip to the Canadian Arctic for "the greatest geological expedition in history," they say. They believe there's a "fog-shrouded hole" in the Arctic Ocean that's the start of a passageway to the hollow center of the earth. "Everest has been climbed a hundred times," says the group's leader, Kentucky physicist and futurist Brooks Agnew. He plans to hire a Russian icebreaker to take him and his followers to, and into, the hole to explore Inner Earth. "This is the first and only expedition to the North Pole opening ever attempted." (Canada National Post) ...Well, not counting Arne Saknussemm's. From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 16 08:24:16 2007 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sat Jun 16 08:24:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The hollow earth! In-Reply-To: <001a01c7b01c$b98e44b0$a3fad24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <108336.30189.qm@web82509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I like the wording on this one: http://pesn.com/2007/01/05/9500444_NEC_Disassociates_from_Brooks_Agnew/ He runs a company matching perpetual-motion device inventors with investors. Lawrence Rush How could all those geologists been so wrong for so long??? (and who is Brooks Agnew, anyway?) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jun 16 11:31:30 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jun 16 11:30:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view Message-ID: <46742C82.1090409@verizon.net> Hi, I was microprobing some specimens yesterday, and one of them was a piece of glittery copper-flecked sunstone. The view through the alignment telescope is usually pretty boring, but this was really neat. I thought some folks might like a close-up of the inclusions that give sunstone its sparkle. Mag. 400x, transmited light through polished section, taken through eyepiece with Nikon Coolpix 5000 in Fine mode. http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/sitenn-sunstone1.jpg http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/sitenn-sunstone2.jpg From jeanne at jeannius.com Fri Jun 15 15:24:15 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Sat Jun 16 12:04:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! Message-ID: <4673118F.9060303@jeannius.com> got this in the mail today ...an ebay purchase.....not cheap, but well worth it! a 28+ oz chunk of gem silica with chatoyant malachite! http://www.jeannius.com/gs Now I have to strategically plan on how I'm going to cut it! -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ic420999 at ohio.edu Fri Jun 15 18:48:17 2007 From: ic420999 at ohio.edu (ic420999@ohio.edu) Date: Sat Jun 16 12:04:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: <200706160102.l5G11xlK002349@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200706160102.l5G11xlK002349@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <1181958497.46734161d1f44@webmail.ohio.edu> BK, Im not a scientist, just a rock loving artist, so this is total speculation.... The crystals in the photograph remind me of the crystals that grow in the bottom of my ferruc chloride vat that I use to etch copper. I don't know what they are but maybe this migh be the same thing?? Isaac Coblentz Quoting rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com: > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:12:56 -0400 > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or > 5 > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I > think > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We > were > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > foil since then, forgotten. > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran > some > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces > of > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. > My > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems > to > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like > complex > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and > fragile > for scratch tests. > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. > The > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > thick. > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > it could be? > > BK > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:53:20 -0400 > From: "R. Peter Richards" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;delsp=yes;format=flowed > > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > > it from solution. > > Pete Richards > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or > 5 > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I > think > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We > were > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one > split > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and > aluminum > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran > some > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces > of > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% > Fe > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. > My > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems > to > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like > complex > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and > fragile > > for scratch tests. > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. > The > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > thick. > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas > what > > it could be? > > > > BK > > > > > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > ___________________________________ > R. Peter Richards > rpr@heidelberg.edu > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 15 > ****************************************** > From dvoorh at sisd.net Fri Jun 15 16:20:35 2007 From: dvoorh at sisd.net (Donald F Voorhees) Date: Sat Jun 16 12:04:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise References: <061520072148.14038.4673093D000C326D000036D62200763692099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Message-ID: I usually touch it with my tongue. If it sticks at all, it's chrysocolla. Don voorhees -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com on behalf of eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net Sent: Fri 6/15/2007 3:48 PM To: Drizzle Subject: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise I know there are many ways of Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise. One method uses hydrochloric acid. If the mineral dissolves, it is turquoise; if it doesn't, it is chrysocolla. I really don't want to use acid or dissolve my turquoise. One Cabber told me that all the turquoise, when ground, runs off with a white slurry and if there is an odor it is a treated turquoise, with a plastic odor. Any other color slurry indicates a mineral other than turquoise. A black slurry with a noticeable odor, that sometimes has an arsenic scent, indicates a chrysocolla type. I am not sure if this is completely true? What about turquoise that is mixed or laced with another mineral like "Spider Web" turquoise. Is there a Turquoise Expert out there who can help? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Jun 16 13:18:03 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 16 13:18:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: <1181958497.46734161d1f44@webmail.ohio.edu> References: <200706160102.l5G11xlK002349@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <1181958497.46734161d1f44@webmail.ohio.edu> Message-ID: Entirely possible I suspect. Hibbingite Fe2+2[(OH)]3|Cl] sounds like a possibility from the description, but I suspect is way too rare to be likely. Unless this is the remains of a oxidized iron plate or something. BK On 6/15/07, ic420999@ohio.edu wrote: > BK, > > Im not a scientist, just a rock loving artist, so this is total speculation.... > > The crystals in the photograph remind me of the crystals that grow in the bottom of my ferruc chloride > vat that I use to etch copper. I don't know what they are but maybe this migh be the same thing?? > > Isaac Coblentz > > > > Quoting rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com: > > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:12:56 -0400 > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors" > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or > > 5 > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I > > think > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We > > were > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran > > some > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces > > of > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. > > My > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems > > to > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like > > complex > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and > > fragile > > for scratch tests. > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. > > The > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > thick. > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > it could be? > > > > BK > > > > > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:53:20 -0400 > > From: "R. Peter Richards" > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors" > > Message-ID: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;delsp=yes;format=flowed > > > > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > > > > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > > > > it from solution. > > > > Pete Richards > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or > > 5 > > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I > > think > > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We > > were > > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one > > split > > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and > > aluminum > > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran > > some > > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces > > of > > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% > > Fe > > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. > > My > > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems > > to > > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like > > complex > > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and > > fragile > > > for scratch tests. > > > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. > > The > > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > > thick. > > > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas > > what > > > it could be? > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > J Bryan Kramer > > > North Florida, USA > > > photos at: > > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > ___________________________________ > > R. Peter Richards > > rpr@heidelberg.edu > > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 15 > > ****************************************** > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Jun 16 13:19:06 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 16 13:19:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! In-Reply-To: <4673118F.9060303@jeannius.com> References: <4673118F.9060303@jeannius.com> Message-ID: Beautiful piece. BK On 6/15/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > got this in the mail today ...an ebay purchase.....not cheap, but well > worth it! a 28+ oz chunk of gem silica with chatoyant malachite! > > http://www.jeannius.com/gs > > Now I have to strategically plan on how I'm going to cut it! > > -- > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jun 16 13:33:52 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jun 16 13:33:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! In-Reply-To: <4673118F.9060303@jeannius.com> References: <4673118F.9060303@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <46744930.4060902@verizon.net> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > got this in the mail today ...an ebay purchase.....not cheap, but well > worth it! a 28+ oz chunk of gem silica with chatoyant malachite! > > http://www.jeannius.com/gs > > Now I have to strategically plan on how I'm going to cut it! > That's really good stuff, cut carefully! Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jun 16 15:54:38 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jun 16 15:51:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The hollow earth! References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu><13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> <001a01c7b01c$b98e44b0$a3fad24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <4674697F.4E37@Tomaszewski.net> If the Earth is flat, how can it be hollow? Lawrence Rush wrote: > > How could all those geologists been so wrong for so long??? > (and who is Brooks Agnew, anyway?) > > From: "This is True", June 10, 2007 > > (www.thisistrue.com) > > SOMETHING'S DEFINITELY HOLLOW HERE: A "small band of believers" is planning > a trip to the Canadian Arctic for "the greatest geological expedition in > history," they say. They believe there's a "fog-shrouded hole" in the > Arctic Ocean that's the start of a passageway to the hollow center of the > earth. "Everest has been climbed a hundred times," > says the group's leader, Kentucky physicist and futurist Brooks Agnew. > > He plans to hire a Russian icebreaker to take him and his followers to, > and into, the hole to explore Inner Earth. "This is the first and only > expedition to the North Pole opening ever attempted." (Canada National Post) > ...Well, not counting Arne Saknussemm's. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Sat Jun 16 17:52:00 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sat Jun 16 17:52:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise In-Reply-To: References: <061520072148.14038.4673093D000C326D000036D62200763692099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004a01c7b079$b6bf4bf0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Being a confirmed agate licker I understand the lick your rocks approach, but I don't think licking distinguishes Turquoise from Chrysocolla. If anything, turquoise, especially the cheaper untreated poor quality chalky stuff will adhere to your tongue just as well as Chrysocolla. Check out Jeanne's gem silica, which sure looks like gem Chrysocolla chalcedony. I doubt that will stick to anyone's taster, but it is sure tasty looking. A desert rat once told me he could tell turquoise by rubbing it. Now he was used to checking rocks in the field and his method fails in regard to most treated turquoise. Hank said he rubs the turquoise and that real turquoise feels softer, much like soapstone or talc, just not slippery. The trouble is; most treated turquoise loses this softer feel, so it isn't any sort of a valid test. And I sure grub around in a lot of tailings piles looking for stuff that the miners missed. It is real tough to tell treated from untreated turquoise. Sure, the cheap treatments can be spotted under magnification or checked with a hot probe, but there are many other turquoise treatments that baffle simple rules. If you feel strongly about untreated turquoise (and I do), It really comes down to whether you can trust your turquoise source. For some quick treatment info: http://www.turquoiseguide.com/articles/turquoise/turquoise-basics/treated-tu rquoise.htm Turquoise streak is a very light bluish white, and yes when cutting/grinding pure turquoise the slurry is a gray white mud. The moment you grind turquoise in matrix (for example, spiderweb), all bets are off on the slurry color. Well, most bets anyway, the slurry stays somewhat chalky looking as long as you are cutting more turquoise than matrix. I don't know what arsenic really smells like either, but I don't remember any chrysocolla I've cut having a distinctive odor. Wet rock is usually wet rock to me, but I think I would remember any rock I cut that smells like garlic. This in a roundabout way brings us back to tasty rocks; as I mentioned earlier I am a confirmed agate licker. Whenever, I want to see what a rock would look like polished, I wet it with my personal moisture applicator. Well, I used to; it took me years to break that habit, well years plus living in an area of sulphide vents where the metals can be precious and benign (gold) or common and often toxic in a heavy metal poisoning sort of way. Anyone checking copper deposit minerals should also consider wetting their rocks with a spray bottle. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Donald F Voorhees Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:21 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise I usually touch it with my tongue. If it sticks at all, it's chrysocolla. Don voorhees -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com on behalf of eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net Sent: Fri 6/15/2007 3:48 PM To: Drizzle Subject: [Rockhounds] Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise I know there are many ways of Identifying Chrysocolla from Turquoise. One method uses hydrochloric acid. If the mineral dissolves, it is turquoise; if it doesn't, it is chrysocolla. I really don't want to use acid or dissolve my turquoise. One Cabber told me that all the turquoise, when ground, runs off with a white slurry and if there is an odor it is a treated turquoise, with a plastic odor. Any other color slurry indicates a mineral other than turquoise. A black slurry with a noticeable odor, that sometimes has an arsenic scent, indicates a chrysocolla type. I am not sure if this is completely true? What about turquoise that is mixed or laced with another mineral like "Spider Web" turquoise. Is there a Turquoise Expert out there who can help? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rpr at heidelberg.edu Sat Jun 16 18:09:10 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Sat Jun 16 18:09:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The hollow earth! In-Reply-To: <4674697F.4E37@Tomaszewski.net> References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu><13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> <001a01c7b01c$b98e44b0$a3fad24c@LarryRush> <4674697F.4E37@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <817D3295-3AAB-4106-9234-4DC0B9B231E3@heidelberg.edu> A cardboard box is flat, and hollow... Still, I'm not going on the trip! Pete Richards On Jun 16, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > If the Earth is flat, how can it be hollow? > > > Lawrence Rush wrote: >> >> How could all those geologists been so wrong for so long??? >> (and who is Brooks Agnew, anyway?) >> >> From: "This is True", June 10, 2007 >> >> (www.thisistrue.com) >> >> SOMETHING'S DEFINITELY HOLLOW HERE: A "small band of believers" is >> planning >> a trip to the Canadian Arctic for "the greatest geological >> expedition in >> history," they say. They believe there's a "fog-shrouded hole" in >> the >> Arctic Ocean that's the start of a passageway to the hollow >> center of the >> earth. "Everest has been climbed a hundred times," >> says the group's leader, Kentucky physicist and futurist Brooks >> Agnew. >> >> He plans to hire a Russian icebreaker to take him and his >> followers to, >> and into, the hole to explore Inner Earth. "This is the first and >> only >> expedition to the North Pole opening ever attempted." (Canada >> National Post) >> ...Well, not counting Arne Saknussemm's. >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Sat Jun 16 19:27:42 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Sat Jun 16 19:27:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view References: <46742C82.1090409@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001b01c7b087$198e7af0$6008a118@feldsparflash> Hi Don, Really remarkable thin sections of sunstone! One can't help but notice the circle format makes you think of our own sun. Carolyn Reynard, "feldspar nut" sunstone3@hvc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view > > Hi, > > I was microprobing some specimens yesterday, and one of them was a piece > of glittery copper-flecked sunstone. The view through the alignment > telescope is usually pretty boring, but this was really neat. I thought > some folks might like a close-up of the inclusions that give sunstone > its sparkle. > > Mag. 400x, transmited light through polished section, taken through > eyepiece with Nikon Coolpix 5000 in Fine mode. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/sitenn-sunstone1.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/sitenn-sunstone2.jpg > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tjokela at execulink.com Sun Jun 17 07:04:37 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sun Jun 17 07:06:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view References: <46742C82.1090409@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001b01c7b0e8$712219f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Hey Don, what exactly we looking at there? Are those the reputed copper crystals that give sunstone it's flash, or what? Neat shots! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view > > Hi, > > I was microprobing some specimens yesterday, and one of them was a piece > of glittery copper-flecked sunstone. The view through the alignment > telescope is usually pretty boring, but this was really neat. I thought > some folks might like a close-up of the inclusions that give sunstone its > sparkle. > > Mag. 400x, transmited light through polished section, taken through > eyepiece with Nikon Coolpix 5000 in Fine mode. > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/sitenn-sunstone1.jpg > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/sitenn-sunstone2.jpg > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jun 17 10:35:04 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jun 17 10:34:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view In-Reply-To: <001b01c7b0e8$712219f0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <46742C82.1090409@verizon.net> <001b01c7b0e8$712219f0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <467570C8.4020808@verizon.net> Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > Hey Don, what exactly we looking at there? > > Are those the reputed copper crystals that give sunstone it's flash, or > what? That has become an interesting question. In one sense, yes, those inclusions are what gives this "sunstone" its flash. However, the crystal shapes of those inclusions are not in the isometric system in which copper crystallizes. I figured it was perhaps the angle, or there was some complex growth that created a pseudo-form (that happens a lot in some systems; for example, aragonite crystals from Aragon look hexagonal but they're orthorhombic twins). I was thinking too much and wanting to explain how it could be copper, when I should have been thinking this is not what we would call sunstone in the Oregonian sense but that there is a similar material from elsewhere. Back to the issue at hand, I am not sure now what those inclusions are. The host mineral is definitely a plagioclase feldspar. I will need to digest the whole thing in a mass spectrometer to try to figure out what the inclusions really are. Don From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Jun 17 20:18:55 2007 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Jun 17 10:43:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale References: <466F5A66.8050502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000501c7b173$41edd710$664fd0c4@federatiydq01o> Hi there, Talking about falling rocks. Up near Grootfontein in Namibia where the Hoba Meteorite is located, they have a warning sign alongside the path leading fom the office to the meteorite, with the inscription "BEWARE OF FALLING METEORITES". Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:45 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] falling rock: a tale > > Howdy, > > I have seen many jokes about those signs: "watch for rock", "danger: > falling rock," and people saying they pull over and wait, or they wish it > would happen. Well be careful what you wish for. > > So there I was headed to Mica Mountain when this lovely object appeared in > the road: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/resqkdq4/BFR2.jpg > > A few hours sooner and I might not be writing this story. It took quite a > few small trees with it on the way down. I'm sure I would have been > flattened or shoved off the side. I only have a 2-ton come-along so there > was no way I was pulling it out of the road. Well anyway, it so happens > this was just the granite pegmatite I was looking for. So I took off a > small piece, marked the coordinates, tied on some flagging tape as > decoration, and went on my way. > > This gives a new meaning to "deadfall." And I thought all the trees in > the road were bad. > > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 12/06/2007 06:39 > > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 17 12:32:01 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 17 12:31:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view In-Reply-To: <467570C8.4020808@verizon.net> References: <46742C82.1090409@verizon.net><001b01c7b0e8$712219f0$6400a8c0@Junior> <467570C8.4020808@verizon.net> Message-ID: <008701c7b116$2dd9e500$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi my friend, Marvelous to see what causes the glitter... >that happens a lot in some > systems; for example, aragonite crystals from Aragon look > hexagonal but they're orthorhombic twins). Orthotriplic rohmbits ... Errr... orthorhombic Triplets??? Just counted the seams... There's 3 of those in every crystal. But I'm sure you meant twinning in general. > I was thinking > too much and wanting to explain how it could be copper, The inclusion on the first photo reminds me of some mica XX I've seen somewhere... Care to wager a bet? I bet it's muscovite or biotite. How very exiting ;-))) Just discovered a new beer: Carmelite... I'll set one aside for when you have the answer to what the flecks are ;-))))) Celebration time is near. Cheers Axel From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Jun 17 12:43:56 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Jun 17 12:42:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] sparkling sunstone: a close-up view In-Reply-To: <008701c7b116$2dd9e500$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <46742C82.1090409@verizon.net><001b01c7b0e8$712219f0$6400a8c0@Junior> <467570C8.4020808@verizon.net> <008701c7b116$2dd9e500$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46758EFC.3050509@verizon.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > Orthotriplic rohmbits ... Errr... orthorhombic Triplets??? Just counted the > seams... There's 3 of those in every crystal. > But I'm sure you meant twinning in general. Very observant... this is a cyclic twinning, which also occurs in chrysoberyl. > The inclusion on the first photo reminds me of some mica XX I've seen > somewhere... > Care to wager a bet? Actually no. Someone else suggested a mica, or perhaps a metallic oxide. This is a relatively thick section; if I had a true thin section it would be easier to tell, and perhaps positively ID the inclusions. But since I want to get all the trace chemistry and isotopes I will need to ICP-MS it anyway. There is always a reason to drink a new beer! From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 17 15:20:31 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 17 15:20:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling Message-ID: <4675B389.28E@Tomaszewski.net> The latest update from HVO http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php indicates a shallow intrusion of magma causing swarms of earthquakes up to magnitude 5.1, and that they are closing roads above the intrusion and sweeping the park to evaciate visitors. It looks like geology may be about to happen. Kreigh From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jun 17 16:44:40 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 17 16:44:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling In-Reply-To: <4675B389.28E@Tomaszewski.net> References: <4675B389.28E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4674B06F0000C0C2@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I was planning on going down there this afternoon just for another look at the iridescent lava area near Mauna Ulu. Guess I'll have to wait. This action appears to be only about 1 km from Mauna Ulu, and the last time that went off was over a period between 1969 and 1974, with spectacular fountaining. If we get to see anything, I'll post a report. Aloha, Kitty At 12:20 PM 6/17/2007, you wrote: >The latest update from HVO > > http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php > >indicates a shallow intrusion of magma causing swarms of earthquakes up >to magnitude 5.1, and that they are closing roads above the intrusion >and sweeping the park to evaciate visitors. It looks like geology may be >about to happen. > >Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Jun 17 16:59:07 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Jun 17 16:59:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling References: <4675B389.28E@Tomaszewski.net> <4674B06F0000C0C2@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7b13b$7e38b1a0$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> As I will be there in about a month, please let me know what is going on! We (the family) plan to spend a day at the park. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling >I was planning on going down there this afternoon just for another look at >the iridescent lava area near Mauna Ulu. Guess I'll have to wait. > > This action appears to be only about 1 km from Mauna Ulu, and the last > time that went off was over a period between 1969 and 1974, with > spectacular fountaining. > > If we get to see anything, I'll post a report. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 12:20 PM 6/17/2007, you wrote: >>The latest update from HVO >> >> http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php >> >>indicates a shallow intrusion of magma causing swarms of earthquakes up >>to magnitude 5.1, and that they are closing roads above the intrusion >>and sweeping the park to evaciate visitors. It looks like geology may be >>about to happen. >> >>Kreigh > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rfadney at hotmail.com Sun Jun 17 22:48:54 2007 From: rfadney at hotmail.com (R. Adney Jr.) Date: Sun Jun 17 22:49:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! In-Reply-To: <4673118F.9060303@jeannius.com> Message-ID: Do me a favor and show a picture after you slice it too, I would love to see the slice. Maybe lit from behind. That stone would no doubt make for some dandy cabochons. It is really gorgeous! Rich >From: Jeanne Rhodes-Moen >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:24:15 -0400 > >got this in the mail today ...an ebay purchase.....not cheap, but well >worth it! a 28+ oz chunk of gem silica with chatoyant malachite! > >http://www.jeannius.com/gs > >Now I have to strategically plan on how I'm going to cut it! > >-- > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From jeanne at jeannius.com Mon Jun 18 04:07:01 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Mon Jun 18 04:07:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46766755.6020607@jeannius.com> Will do...I'm hoping it's translucent in slices. Jeanne R. Adney Jr. wrote: > > Do me a favor and show a picture after you slice it too, I would love > to see the slice. Maybe lit from behind. That stone would no doubt > make for some dandy cabochons. It is really gorgeous! > > Rich > > >> From: Jeanne Rhodes-Moen >> Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors" >> To: undisclosed-recipients:; >> Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! >> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:24:15 -0400 >> >> got this in the mail today ...an ebay purchase.....not cheap, but >> well worth it! a 28+ oz chunk of gem silica with chatoyant malachite! >> >> http://www.jeannius.com/gs >> >> Now I have to strategically plan on how I'm going to cut it! >> >> -- >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail---award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Jun 18 07:37:59 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Jun 18 07:38:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] The hollow earth! In-Reply-To: <817D3295-3AAB-4106-9234-4DC0B9B231E3@heidelberg.edu> References: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu><13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AE2@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> <001a01c7b01c$b98e44b0$a3fad24c@LarryRush><4674697F.4E37@Tomaszewski.net> <817D3295-3AAB-4106-9234-4DC0B9B231E3@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: <006601c7b1b6$45153350$6b01a8c0@okapi> A bunch of Lawsonians, I presume! Gee, I wonder if they're from the University of Lawonomy in Wisconsin? GcB > > On Jun 16, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > If the Earth is flat, how can it be hollow? > > > > > > Lawrence Rush wrote: > >> > >> How could all those geologists been so wrong for so long??? > >> (and who is Brooks Agnew, anyway?) > >> > >> From: "This is True", June 10, 2007 > >> > >> (www.thisistrue.com) > >> > >> SOMETHING'S DEFINITELY HOLLOW HERE: A "small band of believers" is > >> planning a trip to the Canadian Arctic for "the greatest > geological .... From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 18 10:33:27 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:34:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: Message-ID: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Hey Folks, I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't dredge the term up. Thanks - John From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 10:52:44 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:51:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <4676C66C.202@verizon.net> John Siebel wrote: > Hey Folks, > > I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens > that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't > dredge the term up. > > Thanks - John We usually call them mesh sieves, or separation columns, or soil separators, or grading columns, depending who is doing the naming. I'm not sure I've ever heard a term that has "izer" in it. If you actually want to buy some, that's easier, I can refer you to several vendors. Don From kward at themineralgallery.com Mon Jun 18 10:51:27 2007 From: kward at themineralgallery.com (kward) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:52:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125005.0e4e0040@themineralgallery.com> Here's another question. Does anyone know where I can purchase those grading screens? I'm starting to think I may have to build them myself. Kevin At 12:33 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: >Hey Folks, > >I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens >that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't >dredge the term up. > >Thanks - John > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html The Mineral Gallery and Auction http://www.themineralgallery.com http://www.exceptionalminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 18 10:55:48 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:57:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> <4676C66C.202@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001d01c7b1d1$f2176850$0200a8c0@Notebook> Thanks Don, The term I was seeking was, "Classifier." John ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens > John Siebel wrote: > >> Hey Folks, >> >> I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens >> that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't >> dredge the term up. >> >> Thanks - John > > > We usually call them mesh sieves, or separation columns, or soil > separators, or grading columns, depending who is doing the naming. > I'm not sure I've ever heard a term that has "izer" in it. > > If you actually want to buy some, that's easier, I can refer you to > several vendors. > > Don > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 10:57:50 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:57:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: Test Sieves: fisher scientific has them as will any other scientific supply house: BK On 6/18/07, John Siebel wrote: > Hey Folks, > > I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens > that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't > dredge the term up. > > Thanks - John > > From kward at themineralgallery.com Mon Jun 18 10:58:20 2007 From: kward at themineralgallery.com (kward) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:59:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125654.0ea559a8@themineralgallery.com> Classifier?? At 12:33 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: >Hey Folks, > >I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens >that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't >dredge the term up. > >Thanks - John > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html The Mineral Gallery and Auction http://www.themineralgallery.com http://www.exceptionalminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 10:59:36 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 18 10:59:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <001d01c7b1d1$f2176850$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> <4676C66C.202@verizon.net> <001d01c7b1d1$f2176850$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: Well Classifier has another meaning in the coal pulverizing business. I've never heard of sieves being called classifiers. BK On 6/18/07, John Siebel wrote: > Thanks Don, > > The term I was seeking was, "Classifier." > > John From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 11:14:05 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 11:13:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125005.0e4e0040@themineralgallery.com> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125005.0e4e0040@themineralgallery.com> Message-ID: <4676CB6D.1040300@verizon.net> kward wrote: > Here's another question. Does anyone know where I can purchase those > grading screens? I'm > starting to think I may have to build them myself. > Here is the other question: how small do you want the sieve openings? You can build you own separators down to window screen size, of course, using commercial meshes. Once you get smaller than that, it becomes far more difficult to find the screening material. Mind you, when I think of sieve columns, I am usually fining the material down to 50 microns. I think everyone who is interested in these should declare what sizes they expect to use. best, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jun 18 18:32:37 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 18 18:30:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <4677317D.34BC@Tomaszewski.net> John, If you are sorting grain parts after milling it is a degerminator mesh screen set. I was not aware there was a similar term for mesh screen sets for sorting grits. Kreigh John Siebel wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens > that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't > dredge the term up. > > Thanks - John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jun 18 18:43:51 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 18 18:40:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125005.0e4e0040@themineralgallery.com> <4676CB6D.1040300@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4677341D.3CE9@Tomaszewski.net> There are several different standards for fine gradings. The different standards not only define the average particle sizes, but the variances in sizes allowed. You can find a comparative example of a couple of the common standards for sandpaper grits at http://www.onlineindustrialsupply.com/frasqu.html Kreigh DonH wrote: > > kward wrote: > > > Here's another question. Does anyone know where I can purchase those > > grading screens? I'm > > starting to think I may have to build them myself. > > > > Here is the other question: how small do you want the sieve openings? > You can build you own separators down to window screen size, of course, > using commercial meshes. Once you get smaller than that, it becomes far > more difficult to find the screening material. > > Mind you, when I think of sieve columns, I am usually fining the > material down to 50 microns. I think everyone who is interested in > these should declare what sizes they expect to use. > > best, > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Jun 18 19:05:20 2007 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:05:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sifting Screens Message-ID: <383FACA3-89B2-40DC-8118-AC008FBBEEE9@cox.net> Well All, If my hands can do it, believe me, anyone can. Prior to spending time up at the Himalaya Mine, I made a pair of sifting screens, one nests inside the other, and they worked just fine. Thinking like a woman, I decided to make life easier for me, so I bought 4 Kitchen Cabinet Door handles, and placed a pair on opposing sides of the screens. Sure had a big difference in having something to hold onto. Home Depot for all, including cutting the wood to size. Love that place. Terrie From web_admin at ccfms.ca Mon Jun 18 19:31:51 2007 From: web_admin at ccfms.ca (CCFMS Web Admin) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:31:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125005.0e4e0040@themineralgallery.com> Message-ID: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> Test Sieves I used them all the time in university for grain size determination. Check out W.S. Tyler at http://www.wstyler.on.ca/test_sieve_products.html They have been manufacturing sieves for about 100 years! You may also be interested in a Ro-Tap shaker, or you might be able to jerry-rig (MacGyver) an old paint can shaker. Stephen Douglas www.ccfms.ca -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of kward Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:51 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens Here's another question. Does anyone know where I can purchase those grading screens? I'm starting to think I may have to build them myself. Kevin At 12:33 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: >Hey Folks, > >I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens >that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't >dredge the term up. > >Thanks - John > >-- From jeanne at jeannius.com Mon Jun 18 19:36:40 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:36:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> take a look at http://www.jeannius.com/gsslabs R. Adney Jr. wrote: > > Do me a favor and show a picture after you slice it too, I would love > to see the slice. Maybe lit from behind. That stone would no doubt > make for some dandy cabochons. It is really gorgeous! > > Rich > > >> From: Jeanne Rhodes-Moen >> Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors" >> To: undisclosed-recipients:; >> Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off! >> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:24:15 -0400 >> >> got this in the mail today ...an ebay purchase.....not cheap, but >> well worth it! a 28+ oz chunk of gem silica with chatoyant malachite! >> >> http://www.jeannius.com/gs >> >> Now I have to strategically plan on how I'm going to cut it! >> >> -- >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail---award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 19:43:09 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:43:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20070618125005.0e4e0040@themineralgallery.com> <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> Message-ID: The Fisher sieves are rebranded Tylers, the Rotap is pretty pricey. We have one and I'd guess it runs over $2000 and requires a special table and noise enclosure. You can use the sieves by hand for a few samples and if you aren't doing analysis that must be somewhat repeatable. We use the equipment for pulverizer performance testing so we have the full array of equipment. These pulverizer are something like 50 feet tall and 20 feet wide at the base. Tyler does make a non-tapping shaker which would be cheaper and is much lighter. Actually more modern equipment is something like a Coulter counter but they are really expensive. One other possibility for informal testing is wet sieving, you wash the particles thru the sieve with a stream of water. The success of that would depend on the characteristics of the material being sieved. It would not work on water soluble material or even material that clumped or formed a sticky mud. BK On 6/18/07, CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > Test Sieves > > I used them all the time in university for grain size determination. > Check out W.S. Tyler at > http://www.wstyler.on.ca/test_sieve_products.html They have been > manufacturing sieves for about 100 years! > > You may also be interested in a Ro-Tap shaker, or you might be able to > jerry-rig (MacGyver) an old paint can shaker. > > Stephen Douglas > www.ccfms.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of kward > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:51 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens > > Here's another question. Does anyone know where I can purchase those > grading screens? I'm > starting to think I may have to build them myself. > > Kevin > > > > At 12:33 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: > >Hey Folks, > > > >I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting > screens > >that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't > > >dredge the term up. > > > >Thanks - John > > > >-- > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 19:45:54 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:45:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <46774362.7090501@verizon.net> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > take a look at http://www.jeannius.com/gsslabs > > R. Adney Jr. wrote: Oh yeah!!! I am envious. Trade you some slabs of llanoite. Don From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 19:45:34 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:45:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> Message-ID: Wow, you got a good one. BK On 6/18/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > take a look at http://www.jeannius.com/gsslabs > > R. Adney Jr. wrote: > > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Jun 18 19:49:22 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:49:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <4665FAA9002025AF@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) At 04:36 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: >take a look at http://www.jeannius.com/gsslabs Great job, Jeanne---both on the cutting and the photos! Aloha, Kitty From jeanne at jeannius.com Mon Jun 18 19:49:33 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:49:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <46774362.7090501@verizon.net> References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> <46774362.7090501@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4677443D.3090901@jeannius.com> hahaha! I have a bunch of that! a good friend of mine grew up down there! That one big one is really something else! The overall status of the stone..there are cracks I'll have to cut around....and a good bit of variation, but i'll get some fantastic stones out of it!... Jeanne DonH wrote: > Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > >> take a look at http://www.jeannius.com/gsslabs >> >> R. Adney Jr. wrote: > > > Oh yeah!!! I am envious. Trade you some slabs of llanoite. > > Don > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Mon Jun 18 19:52:03 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:52:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <4665FAA9002025AF@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> <4665FAA9002025AF@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <467744D3.4000701@jeannius.com> that was only the end piece of the big stone and the varigated piece is from the other end...plenty more to come! Jeanne Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > At 04:36 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: >> take a look at http://www.jeannius.com/gsslabs > > Great job, Jeanne---both on the cutting and the photos! > > Aloha, Kitty -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 19:53:22 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:52:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> References: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> Message-ID: <46774522.8080903@verizon.net> CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > Test Sieves > > I used them all the time in university for grain size determination. > Check out W.S. Tyler at > http://www.wstyler.on.ca/test_sieve_products.html They have been > manufacturing sieves for about 100 years! > > You may also be interested in a Ro-Tap shaker, or you might be able to > jerry-rig (MacGyver) an old paint can shaker. Miners Inc. sells them too ( www.minerox.com ). I'm still curious as to what the folks are going to do with them--still haven't heard yet. For sorting specimens and fossils out of soil and gravel, like Terrie said, screens you get at Home Depot will do the job. Something tells me our friends are not out to separate materials at the micron level. Don From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 19:54:49 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:54:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <4677443D.3090901@jeannius.com> References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> <46774362.7090501@verizon.net> <4677443D.3090901@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <46774579.3060707@verizon.net> Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > hahaha! I have a bunch of that! Well actually if you have a bunch of it I'm looking for a few more pieces.... Don From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Jun 18 19:55:29 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:55:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001401c7b1ce$cfd01b50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <00dd01c7b21d$4bcb2a30$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> John: You are on target; the metal detecting crowd and gold panners call their screens classifiers. Here is a sample of some classifiers for sale: (cut and paste the entire address into your url address line) http://www.detectorsnorthwest.com/cgi-bin/VirtualCatalog/CatalogMgr.pl?cartI D=b-6455&SearchField=category&SearchFor=^21&template=Htx/list.htx&sort_on=op 3&hdr=CLASSIFIERS&displayNumber=30 and http://www.goldfeverprospecting.com/clsc.html If you want really serious screens here are some you can check out at another geology tools porn site: http://www.lmine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=stainl ess Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of John Siebel Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:33 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens Hey Folks, I'm looking for the "official" name for a set of grading/sorting screens that nest together. I think it's called a "something -izer" but I can't dredge the term up. Thanks - John -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jeanne at jeannius.com Mon Jun 18 19:58:04 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Mon Jun 18 19:58:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] a rock to knock your socks off!(slab images) In-Reply-To: <46774579.3060707@verizon.net> References: <46774138.8040109@jeannius.com> <46774362.7090501@verizon.net> <4677443D.3090901@jeannius.com> <46774579.3060707@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4677463C.8010608@jeannius.com> I'd have to find it first! it's under a lot of rough! DonH wrote: > Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > >> hahaha! I have a bunch of that! > > > Well actually if you have a bunch of it I'm looking for a few more > pieces.... > > > Don > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Jun 18 21:21:53 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Jun 18 21:21:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> <46774522.8080903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <467759D8.31AE@Tomaszewski.net> Recycling tumbling grits without using elutriation comes to mind as a good use for having a set of mesh screens. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > > Test Sieves > > > > I used them all the time in university for grain size determination. > > Check out W.S. Tyler at > > http://www.wstyler.on.ca/test_sieve_products.html They have been > > manufacturing sieves for about 100 years! > > > > You may also be interested in a Ro-Tap shaker, or you might be able to > > jerry-rig (MacGyver) an old paint can shaker. > > Miners Inc. sells them too ( www.minerox.com ). > > I'm still curious as to what the folks are going to do with them--still > haven't heard yet. For sorting specimens and fossils out of soil and > gravel, like Terrie said, screens you get at Home Depot will do the job. > Something tells me our friends are not out to separate materials at > the micron level. > > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 21:33:41 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 21:32:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock shops in eastern WA and NE Oregon? Message-ID: <46775CA5.3060403@verizon.net> Hi, I got an e-mail from a graduate student who is coming out this way to study the Columbia River Basalts and wanted to know if there were any rock shops in eastern Washington and northeastern Oregon. Now, that's a pretty broad area I admit. I don't know of any besides the one in town here; and most places I go have a population of 95 - 800 and wouldn't support a robust rock shop. On the other hand there is probably somebody I'm missing who has a lot of great stuff in their basement and a cardboard sign "rocks 4 sale" at the end of their driveway, next to the snarling dog. But anyway, it's a long shot, but if anyone has any particularly noteworth shops in mind, I'll pass them along. Thanks, Don From turnea55 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 18 22:21:16 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Mon Jun 18 22:21:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock shops in eastern WA and NE Oregon? In-Reply-To: <46775CA5.3060403@verizon.net> Message-ID: One of the best rockshops I have ever been to in eastern WA is called the Outcrop. It is in Waitsburg, just about 20 or so minutes from Walla Walla. The owner has everything, including an extensive local collection from mines in WA and OR (gold, zeolites, as well as very abstract minerals) as well as an impressive micro collection and regular pieces. I have purchased everything from electrum from WA to kleinite from Majuba Hill there. Prices are reasonable. It is right on the main strip in Waitsburg (very small town) and can't be missed. Another fantastic shop, and my favorite, is Silver Capital Arts in Wallace, ID, near the Bunker Hill Mine. It is right off the freeway along Main St. This shop was actually shown in Dante's Peak which was taped in the city. The owner is getting older, but he has a great thumbnail collection as well as a lot of nice local stuff. He has worked at both the autunite mine in WA (Mt. Spokane) and the Bunker Hill Mine. Museum autunite and pyromorphites are part of his personal collection at the shop. I have purchased Oregon cavansite as well as pyromorphite, Butte covellite, Jeffery Mine vesuvianite, and several thumbnails from there. Great prices too. There are some other places in eastern WA. A big collector who sells at shows (and welcomes vistors) lives in Pasco, WA. There is (or was) a decent shop at the Peppermill Mall near River Front Park in Spokane. Also, there are several mineral shops and fee dig areas around the Prineville and Redmond, OR areas (mostly agates, including Richardson's Rock Ranch) I grew up in Kennewick, WA but it has been awhile since I've visted the area. Hope this info helps. I'm pretty sure the two ones I mentioned are still open. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA >From: DonH >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] rock shops in eastern WA and NE Oregon? >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:33:41 -0700 > > >Hi, > >I got an e-mail from a graduate student who is coming out this way to study >the Columbia River Basalts and wanted to know if there were any rock shops >in eastern Washington and northeastern Oregon. Now, that's a pretty broad >area I admit. I don't know of any besides the one in town here; and most >places I go have a population of 95 - 800 and wouldn't support a robust >rock shop. On the other hand there is probably somebody I'm missing who >has a lot of great stuff in their basement and a cardboard sign "rocks 4 >sale" at the end of their driveway, next to the snarling dog. > >But anyway, it's a long shot, but if anyone has any particularly noteworth >shops in mind, I'll pass them along. > > >Thanks, >Don > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 22:28:33 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Jun 18 22:27:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] rock shops in eastern WA and NE Oregon? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46776981.9020102@verizon.net> Andrew Turner wrote: > One of the best rockshops I have ever been to in eastern WA is called > the Outcrop. ... Excellent! Thanks very much. Funny, my ex lives in Kennwick (it was nice while it lasted) and I've been past Pasco, and not far from Walla Walla. I drove past Wallace on a field trip. I will pass this on, you have been most helpful. best, Don From OLLEN.BURNETTE at us.army.mil Tue Jun 19 05:22:08 2007 From: OLLEN.BURNETTE at us.army.mil (Burnette III, Ollen L DAC CCMD (PKI)) Date: Tue Jun 19 05:22:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Classifier Screens (UNCLASSIFIED) Message-ID: <2B1F7B25B783FF4FAEF23F1C82D8DC7E050608D7@HOODB1DOIMSR021.nasw.ds.army.mil> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE If you are looking for larger sizes, for separating rocks, gravel, etc; try one of the suppliers that deal to gold prospectors, such as: http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com/clsc.html As a bonus, they nest (so you can use as many sizes as you need), and are designed to fit the top of a 5 gallon bucket (so the fine material stays in the bucket), and the larger pieces can be screened out Chip Kevin Ward wrote: >Here's another question. Does anyone know where I can purchase those >grading screens? I'm >starting to think I may have to build them myself. > >Kevin Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE From ajs at frii.com Tue Jun 19 17:43:45 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Jun 19 17:43:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <467759D8.31AE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20070620004345.1FE2F1CC08@io.frii.com> Kreigh et al, > Recycling tumbling grits without using elutriation comes to mind as a > good use for having a set of mesh screens. Hmm... Just learned a new word, thanks. :-) I reuse my tumbling prepolish and polish compounds, but not with any method so fancy as flow separation. I just wash the slurry off the rocks, through a collander, into a 1.5 gallon bowl, with the least amount of water possible; pour it through a funnel into a gallon juice jug; cap it, and let gravity do most of the work. Weeks later I carefully pour off the clear water and thin soup before shaking up the rest. Works great. You can read more here: http://users.frii.com/ajs/RockTumbling.htm As for classifying screens: I have a couple of 1/4" mesh screens I built myself on 2x2" or 2x4" frames, each 1.5' or so square. They're pretty handy in the tumbling shop or the garden. But, when I helped with an archaeological dig once, I learned a cute trick -- that I still need to implement. Their screens were field-attachable by a pivot point or hinge to a simple frame with two long legs. This allows one person to dump (heavy) stuff into the screen while the other holds up only half the weight, then shakes it all without breaking their backs doing it. A screen full of gravel is a bear to lift... Cheers, Alan Silverstein From getclyde at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 18:01:56 2007 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde) Date: Tue Jun 19 18:02:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- for any interest Message-ID: <001c01c7b2d6$999cbd00$6401a8c0@xp> Hi, I have a non-list friend that is getting rid of several mineral/lapidary/collector items, including over a 1/2 ton of Brazilian quartz nodules that were obtained from a company that made electronic crystals from them. These average 1.5 x 2 inches in size and are very clear internally - probably would cut very good stones. He also has new and used saw blades, and glass domed displays. Pics and available off list from: getclyde@verizon.net Thanks for your time, Clyde --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Jun 19 18:11:42 2007 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Jun 19 18:06:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: <20070620004345.1FE2F1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <000501c7b2d7$f6c0ed20$6501a8c0@cable.rcn.com> You can see my homemade screening rig here: http://mcrocks.com/ftr07/BatesMay2007.html It is made from hardware cloth and board and lathe purchased at Orchard Supply Hardware. I use a 1/4 and 1/8 inch nested screens to screen the material of large rocks and dirt. I then wash in a tub with a 1/8 inch sapphire screen, rocking the material back and forth and up and down like what is done in Montana for sapphires, then I flip the screen so that the benitoite crystals end up on top and in the middle of the final screening. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Silverstein To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens > Kreigh et al, > > > Recycling tumbling grits without using elutriation comes to mind as a > > good use for having a set of mesh screens. > > Hmm... Just learned a new word, thanks. :-) > > I reuse my tumbling prepolish and polish compounds, but not with any > method so fancy as flow separation. I just wash the slurry off the > rocks, through a collander, into a 1.5 gallon bowl, with the least > amount of water possible; pour it through a funnel into a gallon juice > jug; cap it, and let gravity do most of the work. Weeks later I > carefully pour off the clear water and thin soup before shaking up the > rest. Works great. > > You can read more here: > > http://users.frii.com/ajs/RockTumbling.htm > > As for classifying screens: > > I have a couple of 1/4" mesh screens I built myself on 2x2" or 2x4" > frames, each 1.5' or so square. They're pretty handy in the tumbling > shop or the garden. But, when I helped with an archaeological dig once, > I learned a cute trick -- that I still need to implement. Their screens > were field-attachable by a pivot point or hinge to a simple frame with > two long legs. This allows one person to dump (heavy) stuff into the > screen while the other holds up only half the weight, then shakes it all > without breaking their backs doing it. A screen full of gravel is a > bear to lift... > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/07 11:31 AM > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jun 19 19:45:32 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jun 19 19:45:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS Message-ID: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> No quite rockhounds related, but so many hounds look up... I just saw the International Space Station and Shuttle go over... but barely. The cirrus clouds were too thick to see them well and they disappeared behind the thicker clouds as they moved further east. Both were in the 10 x 50 binoculars with a 3.8 degree field of view. The ISS was about 2.5 degrees in front of the fainter shuttle. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Jun 19 19:51:44 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Jun 19 19:52:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS In-Reply-To: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <8C980FD123E7673-1130-105DD@WEBMAIL-DF16.sysops.aol.com> Yes, I'm looking foward to watching them cruise over Denver at 10:03 to 10:07 pm tonight, they are supposed to be about 6-7 seconds apart in their orbital path, it should be pretty neat, and the sky is quite clear. For anyone who doesn't know how to access it, go to www.heavens-above.com?and you'll get exact predictions for these (and all sorts of other stuff orbiting our planet) for wherever your location is on planet Earth!? (which is made mostly of rocks, as we all know, which are processed & smelted to make the materials the spacecraft are made from...) cheers, Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Alan Goldstein To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 8:45 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS No quite rockhounds related, but so many hounds look up... I just saw the International Space Station and Shuttle go over... but barely. he cirrus clouds were too thick to see them well and they disappeared behind he thicker clouds as they moved further east. Both were in the 10 x 50 inoculars with a 3.8 degree field of view. The ISS was about 2.5 degrees in ront of the fainter shuttle. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- ultipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html -- - ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Jun 19 20:00:05 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Jun 19 20:01:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS References: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <009f01c7b2e7$21a74bb0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Alan, Where are you located? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS No quite rockhounds related, but so many hounds look up... I just saw the International Space Station and Shuttle go over... but barely. The cirrus clouds were too thick to see them well and they disappeared behind the thicker clouds as they moved further east. Both were in the 10 x 50 binoculars with a 3.8 degree field of view. The ISS was about 2.5 degrees in front of the fainter shuttle. Alan From ajs at frii.com Tue Jun 19 20:21:11 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Jun 19 20:21:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS In-Reply-To: <8C980FD123E7673-1130-105DD@WEBMAIL-DF16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20070620032111.72F911CC08@io.frii.com> Right, the website is: http://www.heavens-above.com/detailform.asp You need your latitude, longitude, altitude, and timezone. Unfortunately they are not flexible on the format. For example for Fort Collins in northern Colorado: 40.53 -105.03 1500 GMT-7 (Mountain) Also I wish you could get ISS predictions for more than 7 days, sometimes I look them up before heading out for longer trips. Oh well. Enjoy, Alan Silverstein From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Jun 19 20:23:55 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Jun 19 20:25:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens References: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> <46774522.8080903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00ad01c7b2ea$744bbb00$0200a8c0@Notebook> I want to thank everyone for the input on grading screens/sieves/separation columns/classifiers/degerminator mesh/sifting screens/test sieves/shakers/Coulter counters, etc. Thanks to Kreigh - like Alan, I too have learned a new word - "elutriation". For those of us too lazy to look it up, it means, "The process of elutriating; a decanting or racking off by means of water, as finer particles from heavier." (die.net) I really liked Terrie's suggestion of attaching cabinet handles to screens. I made my screen from 2 x 2 pine with 1/4" hardware cloth (screen) and rope handles. The rope is handy for carrying, but I can see the advantage of cabinet handles while sifting. I also have a two-man screen, an old relic with 1/2 inch mesh and turned handles. Thanks to Ted for the geology tools porn site. I spent some time there, then looked at my check book and sighed. Don wrote: >> I'm still curious as to what the folks are going to do with them- Would you believe that I was just looking for an answer to a crossword puzzle? You'd be close. Thanks all! John From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 20:37:49 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Jun 19 20:36:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7b2ea$744bbb00$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> <46774522.8080903@verizon.net> <00ad01c7b2ea$744bbb00$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <4678A10D.8060304@verizon.net> John Siebel wrote: > I want to thank everyone for the input on grading > screens/sieves/separation columns/classifiers/degerminator mesh/sifting > screens/test sieves/shakers/Coulter counters, etc. Okaaaayyyy--I bet a "degerminator" is used in the agricultural food processing industry. Someone else made a good post about archaeological sieves; I hadn't used one in years and forgot about those. All someone needs is a simple saw, a simple drill, and a tape measure, along with the most basic ability to use these. The cuts are all straight and square, and minor errors in measurement either don't matter or can be corrected. It is possible to make your own sieves to the size you like, nested if you want different screen sizes, and make a portable A-frame for sieve shaking that holds in place with bolts and thumbscrews and folds up when done. In fact this is the kind of project that is well-suited as a club activity, for clubs that are looking for something new to do, especially off-season. Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jun 19 20:41:52 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 19 20:39:00 2007 Subject: [OT} Re: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS References: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <4678A134.6EBE@Tomaszewski.net> It was clear here in Michigan, and the 3 1/2 minute pass was quite a sight, but without a lens (sigh). It even made the local 11 pm news, with pictures, as part of the weather forecast. And to try to keep this on topic, did you know NASA crunches the shuttle's orbit data to get better density/gravity info on the Earth? Understanding the Earth's Geology makes it easier to navigate and fly the shuttle. Rockhounding can take you anywhere! Kreigh Alan Goldstein wrote: > > No quite rockhounds related, but so many hounds look up... > > I just saw the International Space Station and Shuttle go over... but barely. The cirrus clouds were too thick to see them well and they disappeared behind the thicker clouds as they moved further east. Both were in the 10 x 50 binoculars with a 3.8 degree field of view. The ISS was about 2.5 degrees in front of the fainter shuttle. > > Alan > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 21:04:45 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 19 21:04:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] http://www.livescience.com/history/top10_intelligent_designs.html Message-ID: Subject line is an interesting link . Glenn _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 21:19:04 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Jun 19 21:19:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling Message-ID: Great pics today! Pu'u O'o floor dropped 20 M, 60 feet!!! And a big chunk of the south wall collapsed. Glenn From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling The latest update from HVO http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php Kreigh _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Jun 19 21:40:38 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Tue Jun 19 21:42:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens - but WAYYY OT References: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas><46774522.8080903@verizon.net> <00ad01c7b2ea$744bbb00$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <005f01c7b2f5$2da3a720$0300a8c0@warren> > Don wrote: >>> I'm still curious as to what the folks are going to do with them- > > Would you believe that I was just looking for an answer to a crossword > puzzle? You'd be close. > > Thanks all! > > John OK, this is *really* embarrassing, but... I have this online multiplayer gameworld that I play in, that I have been addicted to for more than a year. It's not a shoot 'em up or wizards game or anything. It has a pirate theme and it's built on a bunch of little puzzles (several of which are cooperative puzzles), similar to those you see on the Zone (or think Tetris) to accomplish certain tasks. Anyway, this game has major upgrades every 1-2 months, and one of the things they are trying to do is add puzzles for the game tasks that don't currently include puzzles. This includes shop tasks like weaving, tailoring, iron mongering, etc., and unusual things like foraging for stuff on uninhabited islands and...construction. Sometimes when they are adding games, they ask for proposals in their forums. Proposals are posted in their Wiki, people make comments on the forum, some are built into prototypes and eventually some are added into the game. Sooo (I am actually blushing - lol) , I had an idea for a "cooperative" construction puzzle (2-8 players working WITH each other, rather than against each other) that was based on sorting rocks; all the buildings on the oceans require stone to build. (Leave it to a rockhound to build a rock puzzle.) When you write your proposal, you need to state the "metaphor" for the puzzle - which explains how the puzzle relates to the task being completed. My metaphor was that rocks were sorted for construction via a separator or classifier, (though in my case I'm stretching the metaphor to sort types of rocks, not sizes) but I **could not remember the word** for the device I was thinking of. I asked John and he tried to look it up, and finally posted a question, which was the original post to the grading screens thread. Anyhow, it's been a GREAT thread. Lots of excellent information (and yes, we are building a separator/classifier/whatever) but I can't let John take the heat for it being a crossword puzzle term - lol. It was for two lines of a puzzle proposal of a dumb online gameworld that I'm addicted. to. I just never expected this many posts! Sheesh. Thanks a bunch. Julie From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Jun 19 21:58:19 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 19 21:58:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <467836E4000107E6@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) On the local TV news tonight they said that a new site for lava to pour out has appeared, and Pu'u O'o has stopped for the time being; they believe it will resume in a few days or weeks. The USGS says the new outbreak as well and much of the earthquake activity is near Mauna Ulu, which is the area where there is lots of iridescent lava and reticulite can be seen from the fountain eruptions of 1969-'74. There were spectacular video shots of lava pouring into the ocean, taken from a helicopter or boat, but that area is very far from where visitors can hike in, and apparently the USGS photographers aren't doing so either. See http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/images.html for the pictures they do have. They've changed the photo format, so when you click on an image to enlarge, it first comes up too large; just wait a bit and it settles into an appropriate enlargement. But wait! There's more! Click on a spot you'd like to see closer, and it zooms in; click again and it zooms back out. You can move all over the photo to see closer. The Volcanoes Park was nearly completely closed for a while, and various authorities were brought in to assist in finding campers throughout the park and getting them out. Most everything is open now, but Chain of Craters Road is still closed. Aloha, Kitty At 06:19 PM 6/19/2007, Glenn wrote: >Great pics today! > > >Pu'u O'o floor dropped 20 M, 60 feet!!! > > >And a big chunk of the south wall collapsed. >Glenn From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 05:50:32 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Jun 20 05:50:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling In-Reply-To: <467836E4000107E6@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> References: <467836E4000107E6@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040706200550x4c35ee4as3e41e0ede9ff482a@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/07, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > See http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/images.html for the > pictures they do have. They've changed the photo format, so when you > click on an image to enlarge, it first comes up too large; just wait > a bit and it settles into an appropriate enlargement. But > wait! There's more! Click on a spot you'd like to see closer, and > it zooms in; click again and it zooms back out. You can move all > over the photo to see closer. They are just using higher resolution pics, no new format (just jpg). Depending on the browser you are using, you may or may not be able to "zoom" in and out. Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Jun 20 17:27:26 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Jun 20 17:27:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS References: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <8C980FD123E7673-1130-105DD@WEBMAIL-DF16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c7b39a$f1fe9f80$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> They are supposed to go pretty high overhead tonight in Louisville at 10:54 pm moving from the NW to the S. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS Yes, I'm looking foward to watching them cruise over Denver at 10:03 to 10:07 pm tonight, they are supposed to be about 6-7 seconds apart in their orbital path, it should be pretty neat, and the sky is quite clear. For anyone who doesn't know how to access it, go to www.heavens-above.com and you'll get exact predictions for these (and all sorts of other stuff orbiting our planet) for wherever your location is on planet Earth! (which is made mostly of rocks, as we all know, which are processed & smelted to make the materials the spacecraft are made from...) cheers, Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Alan Goldstein To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 8:45 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS No quite rockhounds related, but so many hounds look up... I just saw the International Space Station and Shuttle go over... but barely. he cirrus clouds were too thick to see them well and they disappeared behind he thicker clouds as they moved further east. Both were in the 10 x 50 inoculars with a 3.8 degree field of view. The ISS was about 2.5 degrees in ront of the fainter shuttle. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- ultipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html -- - ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From getclyde at verizon.net Wed Jun 20 18:32:58 2007 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde) Date: Wed Jun 20 18:33:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: AD- for any interest References: <001c01c7b2d6$999cbd00$6401a8c0@xp> Message-ID: <000901c7b3a4$1a5b7bc0$6401a8c0@xp> Thanks to all who responded, I will get back to you on Thursday - I just got buried in work today - sorry Clyde From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 20 20:02:12 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 20 19:55:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling References: Message-ID: <4679E8A8.50C6@Tomaszewski.net> My local newspaper, The Grand Rapids Press, had a page 4 article headlined 'New lava oozes in Hawaii', with a picture of the new outbreak in a forest eight miles southeast of Kilauea's summit. It was an AP article, so I suspect it could be found online. BTW, their page 1 story was the ISS/Shuttle flyover with a 1/4 page picture framed by other news. I don't think I have ever seen so much black on the front page of any newspaper ever before. Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Great pics today! > > > Pu'u O'o floor dropped 20 M, 60 feet!!! > > > And a big chunk of the south wall collapsed. > Glenn > > From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii Volcano Rumbling > The latest update from HVO > http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php > Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Jun 20 20:02:18 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Jun 20 20:02:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS References: <008001c7b2e5$12866140$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <8C980FD123E7673-1130-105DD@WEBMAIL-DF16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001801c7b3b0$948f8c40$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Just saw them as they passed almost directly over head. Very bright!!! The ISS was orange (due to the color of the solar panels) and about 20 degrees ahead of the shuttle. Both disappeared into the earth's shadow after they passed the meridian. Anyone much south of us wouldn't have seen them. Alan Goldstein From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Jun 20 20:50:11 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Jun 20 20:44:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Mystery mineral References: <200706160102.l5G11xlK002349@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <1181958497.46734161d1f44@webmail.ohio.edu> Message-ID: <4679F3E1.6F56@Tomaszewski.net> Bryan, Have you tested streak, hardness, and/or density? Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Entirely possible I suspect. Hibbingite Fe2+2[(OH)]3|Cl] sounds like a > possibility from the description, but I suspect is way too rare to be > likely. Unless this is the remains of a oxidized iron plate or > something. > > BK > > On 6/15/07, ic420999@ohio.edu wrote: > > BK, > > > > Im not a scientist, just a rock loving artist, so this is total speculation.... > > > > The crystals in the photograph remind me of the crystals that grow in the bottom of my ferruc chloride > > vat that I use to etch copper. I don't know what they are but maybe this migh be the same thing?? > > > > Isaac Coblentz > > > > > > > > Quoting rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com: > > > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:12:56 -0400 > > > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors" > > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or > > > 5 > > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I > > > think > > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We > > > were > > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran > > > some > > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces > > > of > > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. > > > My > > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems > > > to > > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like > > > complex > > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and > > > fragile > > > for scratch tests. > > > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. > > > The > > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > > thick. > > > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > > it could be? > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > J Bryan Kramer > > > North Florida, USA > > > photos at: > > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:53:20 -0400 > > > From: "R. Peter Richards" > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors" > > > Message-ID: <70F2F3D3-0CCC-436C-BF7B-B1A2D68DE9D1@heidelberg.edu> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;delsp=yes;format=flowed > > > > > > With that color, if it's really mostly iron, it would almost have to > > > > > > be ferrous iron. Is it water soluble? Soluble in HCl? Fizz? No > > > fizz? If you've got access to an IC, you probably have reagents > > > around to identify qualitatively the anion present by precipitating > > > > > > it from solution. > > > > > > Pete Richards > > > > > > > > > On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:12 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or > > > 5 > > > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I > > > think > > > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We > > > were > > > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one > > > split > > > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and > > > aluminum > > > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran > > > some > > > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces > > > of > > > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% > > > Fe > > > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. > > > My > > > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems > > > to > > > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like > > > complex > > > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and > > > fragile > > > > for scratch tests. > > > > > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. > > > The > > > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > > > thick. > > > > > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas > > > what > > > > it could be? > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > J Bryan Kramer > > > > North Florida, USA > > > > photos at: > > > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > ___________________________________ > > > R. Peter Richards > > > rpr@heidelberg.edu > > > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 15 > > > ****************************************** > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From ajs at frii.com Thu Jun 21 09:15:39 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:15:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Shuttle / ISS In-Reply-To: <003301c7b39a$f1fe9f80$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <20070621161539.80F411CC19@io.frii.com> > They are supposed to go pretty high overhead tonight in Louisville at > 10:54 pm moving from the NW to the S. Those pretty rocks in the sky were visible again last night from Fort Collins, Colorado. On Tuesday evening they passed nearly overhead, 2203-2207, with the shuttle and ISS only a few degrees apart -- spectacular. Last evening (Wed) was a lower pass, 2224-2228 (note the slightly later time), and they were further apart. But it was interesting watching first one, and then the other, bright dot fade out and disappear over several seconds near peak altitude -- as they entered the Earth's shadow and started their 45-minute night! Cheers, Alan Silverstein From ajs at frii.com Thu Jun 21 09:23:46 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Jun 21 09:24:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] happy summer solstice Message-ID: <20070621162346.2B8A51CC08@io.frii.com> Happy summer solstice today, Thursday, June 21. I read that it happens at 1206 MDT. Meanwhile local solar noon (actually in Denver) is 1302 MDT. This means the sun gets slightly higher in the sky today, and shadows get shorter, than it does in about 11 of 12 years on average; probably just slightly before solar noon. If you are a bit further east than me, maybe the Central time zone, and your solar noon falls exactly on the solstice, that's a very rare event (for any particular meridian on the planet). I'd go out and study the shadows. :-) Local TV newspapers or weather websites might tell you solar noon, or at least sunrise and sunset times and you can split the difference. Rocks on the ground, all sitting on a big rock in the sky, whirling around... I read in a recent Science News that the presence of iron-60 (derived from nickel-60 if I recall right) in some meteorites but not others means it's very likely a supernova went off close to the solar system (like 1 LY away) 1-2 MY after it formed. Not just enough that we probably formed out of a gas cloud due to supernova shockwaves, they kept popping afterwards too. "Wow." Cheers, Alan Silverstein From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Jun 21 14:46:35 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Jun 21 14:46:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interactive Volcano Website Message-ID: <001001c7b44d$a479ddc0$a3fcf604@TheBlackAdder> ******************************************* From: Sami Mikhail ******************************************* A lady named Linda Bass has started a web site that allows users/visitors to submit useful information about the volcanoes that they are familiar with. This site has a good potential to aid undergraduates and graduates to easily look up volcanoes and gather information with the user friendly site, it hosts a list of countries or the interactive map where by visitors can scroll around the globe and simply click on the volcanoes of their choice and access information, links and references. I am calling for all volcanologists to add details, links and references about the volcanoes that they are working on or have worked on to share their knowledge, raise interest to unanswered questions and help spread the word. The web site address is http://www.worldvolcanoes.info/ ============================================================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Jun 21 15:13:58 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Jun 21 15:15:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interactive Volcano Website References: <001001c7b44d$a479ddc0$a3fcf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <005401c7b451$7de15ae0$0200a8c0@Notebook> I note that this site does not include the continental U.S. for some reason. Specifically Mt St. Helens and the Cascade Range. Curious. John From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Jun 21 16:39:29 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Jun 21 16:39:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interactive Volcano Website In-Reply-To: <005401c7b451$7de15ae0$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <001001c7b44d$a479ddc0$a3fcf604@TheBlackAdder> <005401c7b451$7de15ae0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <46798EB200033FF9@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) It lists Hawaii as if that were a separate country. The other day I enquired of amazon.com why they refused to ship an order of #1 soft pencils to Hawaii, and got a reply (from a person whose name suggested he might be in India) that the seller "has a policy not to ship to Territories or Protectorates of the US Government." Oh well. Hawaii only became the 50th state 48 years ago. ;) Aloha, Kitty At 12:13 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote: >I note that this site does not include the continental U.S. for some >reason. Specifically Mt St. Helens and the Cascade Range. Curious. > >John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Jun 21 19:11:34 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jun 21 19:08:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Interactive Volcano Website References: <001001c7b44d$a479ddc0$a3fcf604@TheBlackAdder> <005401c7b451$7de15ae0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <46798EB200033FF9@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <467B2F2A.12FB@Tomaszewski.net> This new site is going to have to do some work to compete with Volcanoworld. Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > It lists Hawaii as if that were a separate country. > > The other day I enquired of amazon.com why they refused to ship an > order of #1 soft pencils to Hawaii, and got a reply (from a person > whose name suggested he might be in India) that the seller "has a > policy not to ship to Territories or Protectorates of the US > Government." Oh well. Hawaii only became the 50th state 48 years ago. ;) > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 12:13 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote: > >I note that this site does not include the continental U.S. for some > >reason. Specifically Mt St. Helens and the Cascade Range. Curious. > > > >John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Jun 21 19:25:46 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Jun 21 19:23:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arizona Geophysicists Detect A Molten Rock Layer Deep Below The American Southwest Message-ID: <467B327C.5628@Tomaszewski.net> http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Arizona_Geophysicists_Detect_A_Molten_Rock_Layer_Deep_Below_The_American_Southwest_999.html From BNMJEFF at aol.com Fri Jun 22 07:24:03 2007 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 22 07:24:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT - club classes Message-ID: I would like to get some input from other gem societies about classes. I would like information on how you schedule them, minimum number of students, fees, spilt of fees between club and teacher, etc. Our club's class setup is in dire need of revamping. Please reply off list, unless the mods feel this is Ok to keep onlist. Jeff Ursillo Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 09:40:33 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Fri Jun 22 09:40:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT - club classes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97175ae90706220940j7e9160dahcfb88b5239c8d308@mail.gmail.com> Please reply on-list if possible, I know I would like to hear the replies, as our club need help in this area also. Brenda Van Dyke Indian Mound Rock & Mineral Club of Wyoming, Michigan On 6/22/07, BNMJEFF@aol.com wrote: > > I would like to get some input from other gem societies about classes. > I would like information on how you schedule them, minimum number of > students, fees, spilt of fees between club and teacher, etc. Our club's > class setup > is in dire need of revamping. Please reply off list, unless the mods feel > this is Ok to keep onlist. > > > Jeff Ursillo > Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Jun 22 09:40:35 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Fri Jun 22 09:57:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] OT (On Topic)- club classes References: Message-ID: <000201c7b4ee$4d13d530$0200a8c0@Notebook> Jeff, This is definitely On Topic. Feel free to keep it on the list. John Admin Team >I would like to get some input from other gem societies about classes. > I would like information on how you schedule them, minimum number of > students, fees, spilt of fees between club and teacher, etc. Our club's > class setup > is in dire need of revamping. Please reply off list, unless the mods feel > this is Ok to keep onlist. > > > Jeff Ursillo > Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches From jr50wv at yahoo.com Fri Jun 22 12:21:26 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Fri Jun 22 12:21:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Grits" is a grain too! Message-ID: <295939.6662.qm@web56309.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Kreigh, You must not be from around here, or you'd know that grits is a grain product too, and might well have sizing screens involved in the manufacturing process! ;-) But I understand that John was probably talking about polishing grits used in tumbling. I live in WV, which isn't really southern, as part of the state is north of Pittsburgh and Columbus, and the state actually seceded from the confederacy to become a state in 1863. Thanks for all the geological information! Keep on Rockin' JR --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From paul at minerant.org Fri Jun 22 12:33:06 2007 From: paul at minerant.org (Tambuyser) Date: Fri Jun 22 12:32:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy Message-ID: <001e01c7b504$28eb89d0$9600000a@Bib> For those interested in the history of mineralogy / crystallography there is a new website entitled: The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy http://www.mineralogy.be/ The Virtual Museum includes antiquarian books, goniometers, crystal models, antique labels, optical- and other instruments once used in mineralogy or crystallography. The objects we display are kept in different museums, institutes and private collections all over the world. The objective of the virtual museum may only be met with the help of many who are willing to share photographs and descriptions of their own treasures with others. If you are also willing to contribute, do not hesitate to contact us. If you would like to be kept informed about the activities of the Virtual Museum, subscribe to our e-mail newsletter http://www.mineralogy.be/newssub.html The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy is a joint initiative of Paul Tambuyser and Claude Hootel?. Kind regards, Paul Tambuyser paul@minerant.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jun 22 18:45:06 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jun 22 18:44:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? Message-ID: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> Hi, This is a question I bet someone on the list can answer. My advisor is looking for a low-temperature asher. This burns away organic material at low temperature while leaving the minerals behind. He has found some for 15,000 but that is too much. He is looking to spend about 5,000 or less. It would be used occasionally for small samples, so it need not be a high-production device. Thanks, Don From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 18:47:53 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 22 18:47:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> Message-ID: what temp range? BK On 6/22/07, DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > This is a question I bet someone on the list can answer. My advisor is > looking for a low-temperature asher. This burns away organic material > at low temperature while leaving the minerals behind. He has found some > for 15,000 but that is too much. He is looking to spend about 5,000 or > less. It would be used occasionally for small samples, so it need not > be a high-production device. > > Thanks, > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 22 18:56:56 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 22 18:54:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) Message-ID: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> It is with great sadness that I report we have lost a List member. My friend and mentor, Ed Benjamin, went to be with his Lord on June 1st. Ed served in WWII as a Radio Operator in the Merchant Marines. Ed was a Rockhound, Lapidary, and Editor of the Arrowhead News of the Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club for over 20 years. Ed was active in the Federation and won many awards as a bulletin editor. Ed is survived by his wife, Barbara, his children and grandchildren, and his brother and sisters. The family has requested memorial contributions be given to the Mayo Clinic. God Bless you Ed. You will be missed. From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jun 22 18:56:06 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jun 22 18:55:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> Message-ID: <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd be the first to answer!!!) I will find out. This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and recover the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I don't know if that gives you a clue. Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it goes up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be kind of smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher operates under a sealed chamber? Don J Bryan Kramer wrote: > what temp range? > > BK From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 19:40:22 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 22 19:40:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> Message-ID: Well normally 550 deg C is considered high enough to drive off any organic volatiles. That is for analytical work anyway. There are all sorts of ovens available in that temp range and the cost is a lot less than the prices you mentioned. But of course the volume of the furnace chamber would affect the price as would the requirement of a controlled atmosphere in the furnace. The big vendor in these kinds of lab furnaces is Thermoline and I'd browse their website to see if you can find something that suits. Once you find a suitable model then I'd check scientific supply houses for pricing: Look for furnaces. Maybe something like this: Once you fix the requirements you can call or email them for technical advice. BK On 6/22/07, DonH wrote: > > > Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd be the first > to answer!!!) I will find out. > > This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and recover > the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I don't know if that > gives you a clue. > > Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it goes > up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be kind of > smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher operates > under a sealed chamber? > > Don > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > what temp range? > > > > BK > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 19:43:18 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Jun 22 19:43:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> Message-ID: As for the fumes you normally run an operation like this under a fume hood or at least with a local dedicated duct hood over the furnace. There are probably OSHA regs about that. BK From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Jun 22 22:33:44 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Jun 22 22:33:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull Message-ID: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has some silver content. Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? Cheers, Erich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jun 22 23:41:29 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 22 23:41:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) In-Reply-To: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> References: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <4665FAA9002BE53C@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I remember some of his postings, and have copied one sign-off here: Ed Benjamin -- The Old WWII Liberty Ship Chief Radio Operator (Ah, those were the years!) His comments were pleasant, positive, and informative. Bill and I sent our sympathies to Ed's family, and to you, Kreigh. Aloha, Kitty At 03:56 PM 6/22/2007, you wrote: >It is with great sadness that I report we have lost a List member. My >friend and mentor, Ed Benjamin, went to be with his Lord on June 1st. > >Ed served in WWII as a Radio Operator in the Merchant Marines. Ed was a >Rockhound, Lapidary, and Editor of the Arrowhead News of the Indian >Mounds Rock and Mineral Club for over 20 years. Ed was active in the >Federation and won many awards as a bulletin editor. > >Ed is survived by his wife, Barbara, his children and grandchildren, and >his brother and sisters. The family has requested memorial contributions >be given to the Mayo Clinic. > >God Bless you Ed. You will be missed. From Ted at crystalgems.com Sat Jun 23 06:27:56 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Sat Jun 23 06:28:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000601c7b59a$4f8955e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Don: This may be a dumb thought, but what the hey. Is there a reason you can't use a common stove with a clean cycle? The clean cycle should within a few cycles do as you wished and stoves are designed to vent. Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:56 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd be the first to answer!!!) I will find out. This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and recover the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I don't know if that gives you a clue. Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it goes up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be kind of smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher operates under a sealed chamber? Don J Bryan Kramer wrote: > what temp range? > > BK -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Jun 23 06:31:53 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Jun 23 06:31:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <001401c7b59a$dd37ef50$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I've not heard of that. Is that supposed to be as regular crystals versus cleavages or weathered vs. fresh? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has some silver content. Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? Cheers, Erich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 06:44:12 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 23 06:44:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: <000601c7b59a$4f8955e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> <000601c7b59a$4f8955e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: One other thing, I'll bet there is a standard method for doing this. Either ASTM or some other standard organization. BK From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jun 23 06:51:11 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jun 23 06:50:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: <000601c7b59a$4f8955e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> <000601c7b59a$4f8955e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <467D254F.8010401@verizon.net> Ted Kowalski wrote: > Don: > This may be a dumb thought, but what the hey. Is there a reason you can't > use a common stove with a clean cycle? The clean cycle should within a few > cycles do as you wished and stoves are designed to vent. > > Ted Thanks, but I already thought of things like that--apparently there is some sort of atmospheric control required, and also, the way in which the burning occurs. I've asked for more details but I've been told you can't use a regular oven or a melting furnace. Thanks, Don From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Jun 23 07:01:26 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Jun 23 07:03:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <007701c7b59e$fdb13da0$6400a8c0@Junior> Nonsense, I'd say all but the very fine-grained galena is shiny when you hit it with a hammer. An interesting quest would be to find truly lustrous galena crystals; they're a lot rarer than you'd think! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has some silver content. Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? Cheers, Erich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From paul at minerant.org Sat Jun 23 07:11:21 2007 From: paul at minerant.org (Tambuyser) Date: Sat Jun 23 07:11:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy Message-ID: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> For those interested in the history of mineralogy / crystallography there is a new website entitled: The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy http://www.mineralogy.be/ The Virtual Museum includes antiquarian books, goniometers, crystal models, antique labels, optical- and other instruments once used in mineralogy or crystallography. The objects we display are kept in different museums, institutes and private collections all over the world. The objective of the virtual museum may only be met with the help of many who are willing to share photographs and descriptions of their own treasures with others. If you are also willing to contribute, do not hesitate to contact us. If you would like to be kept informed about the activities of the Virtual Museum, subscribe to our e-mail newsletter (will be issued maximum 4 times a year). The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy is a joint initiative of Paul Tambuyser and Claude Hootel?. ? Kind regards, Paul Tambuyser paul@minerant.org ? From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Jun 23 08:33:39 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Jun 23 08:35:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! References: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> Message-ID: <003f01c7b5ab$e4dea4e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Here's your giggle for the day. http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 John From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 08:39:51 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 23 08:39:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! In-Reply-To: <003f01c7b5ab$e4dea4e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> <003f01c7b5ab$e4dea4e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: LOL that photo reminds me of a recent entry on a photoblog about being wary of blurry product shots on Ebay. BK On 6/23/07, John Siebel wrote: > Here's your giggle for the day. > > http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 > > John > From turnea55 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 23 09:20:35 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Sat Jun 23 09:20:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull In-Reply-To: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: Actually, I have heard that typically octahedral galena has a higher silver content than the basic cubic galena. It has to do with the silver substitution into the galena structure or something like that. That's what the people told me when I went in the lead/zinc mines in Viburnum, MO. I actually don't know if this is true, but I think this was based on the tri-state galena and Old Lead Belt galena where this was the case. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA >From: "Erich Kern" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:33:44 -0700 > > > >An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull >looking galena likely has some silver content. > >Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? > >Cheers, >Erich > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Jun 23 11:31:50 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Jun 23 11:33:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! References: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib><003f01c7b5ab$e4dea4e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <009501c7b5c4$c4088a60$6400a8c0@Junior> God, I wish the aliens would come and take those idiots away! Sad to see data from Colorado School of Mines and Excalibur misused by this con artist. The bit from the metaphysical morons was hysterical though - you can use it for levitation, so must be alien! Muwhahahahahaha! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! > LOL that photo reminds me of a recent entry on a photoblog about being > wary of blurry product shots on Ebay. > > BK > > On 6/23/07, John Siebel wrote: >> Here's your giggle for the day. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 >> >> John >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Jun 23 11:35:58 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Jun 23 11:36:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? In-Reply-To: References: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net><467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002a01c7b5c5$57bb5cb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Yes, but then you keep the organic carbon as carbon. Even under normal atmosphere 550 degrees centigrade would barely burn carbon. If you want to get rid of that C too you need to up the temp to about 750?C. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2007 3:40 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? > > Well normally 550 deg C is considered high enough to drive > off any organic volatiles. That is for analytical work > anyway. There are all sorts of ovens available in that temp > range and the cost is a lot less than the prices you > mentioned. But of course the volume of the furnace chamber > would affect the price as would the requirement of a > controlled atmosphere in the furnace. > > The big vendor in these kinds of lab furnaces is Thermoline > and I'd browse their website to see if you can find something > that suits. Once you find a suitable model then I'd check > scientific supply houses for > pricing: > > > > Look for furnaces. Maybe something like this: > > &model=F30420C-60-80&headerlist=[ACCESSORY],[AMPS],[CE],[CHAMB ER_CUBIC_INCHES_L],[CHAMBER_DIMENSIONS_D],[CHAMBER_DIMENSIONS_H],[> CHAMBER_DIMENSIONS_W],[CUL],[DESC],[ETL],[HERTZ],[MODEL],[NEW_ > BRANDED],[NRTL],[OBS],[OPERATING_TEMP_RANGE_C],[OPERATING_TEMP > _RANGE_F],[OVERALL_DIMENSIONS_D],[OVERALL_DIMENSIONS_H],[OVERA > LL_DIMENSIONS_W],[PRICE],[PRICE_LAST_UPDATED],[PRODUCT_LINE],[ > SA],[SHIPPING_WEIGHT_LK],[SPECIAL_OFFER],[SUB_PRODUCT_GROUP_ID > ],[TEMP_CONTROL_GROUP],[UL],[VOLTS],[WATTS]&tabname=tblFurnace > s&product_id=7> > > Once you fix the requirements you can call or email them for > technical advice. > > BK > > > > > On 6/22/07, DonH wrote: > > > > > > Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd > be the first > > to answer!!!) I will find out. > > > > This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and > > recover the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I > don't know > > if that gives you a clue. > > > > Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it > > goes up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be > > kind of smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher > > operates under a sealed chamber? > > > > Don > > > > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > what temp range? > > > > > > BK > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jun 23 11:54:31 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jun 23 11:53:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud Message-ID: <467D6C67.7050709@verizon.net> Grrrr... This one is even worse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280113520871 If you bother to read his rambling and possibly drug-induced text then you'll see that he's not even claiming any scientific evidence for it being a Martian meteorite, he claims God told him in a vision. I have reported both of these to eBay as fraudulent items. This came up when I was searching for something else. Don From gene at fossilnut.com Sat Jun 23 16:48:52 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Sat Jun 23 16:48:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud References: <467D6C67.7050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <005601c7b5f1$0efa9f00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> It occurs to me that there may be no intent to actually sell this item but merely to get you to read the stuff below. Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud > > Grrrr... This one is even worse. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280113520871 > > If you bother to read his rambling and possibly drug-induced text then > you'll see that he's not even claiming any scientific evidence for it > being a Martian meteorite, he claims God told him in a vision. > > I have reported both of these to eBay as fraudulent items. This came up > when I was searching for something else. > > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Jun 23 16:59:08 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Jun 23 16:57:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud In-Reply-To: <005601c7b5f1$0efa9f00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <467D6C67.7050709@verizon.net> <005601c7b5f1$0efa9f00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <467DB3CC.3080201@verizon.net> gene@fossilnut.com wrote: > It occurs to me that there may be no intent to actually sell this item > but merely to get you to read the stuff below. > > Gene Hartstein Yes, I'm sure. But that's against eBay rules as well. That's actually what ticked me off even more. That other ad has 5 bidders so far (unless they're shills of the seller) and eBay hasn't cancelled it yet. Most people have heard the old Latin phrase, buyer beware, caveat emptor. I would modify that for eBay--especially for rocks, minerals, gems & jewelry--my Latin is a little rusty, but I believe the term is "caveat emptor maximus extremus." Be careful out there, folks. These things are obvious, but I have seen a lot of non-obvious chicanery in these categories as well. Caveat, Don From info at agatesfromargentina.com Sat Jun 23 21:05:47 2007 From: info at agatesfromargentina.com (Agates from Argentina) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:05:53 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy (Tambuyser) References: <200706240101.l5O10uNY003010@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000a01c7b614$f320c240$44dce818@ricardocasa> Dear Paul : We would also like to mention your MINERAL CLUB OF ANTWERP web-page at : http://www.minerant.org/vq.html One of the most interesting web-pages for mineral Collectors from around the World. Ricardo & Claudia Birnie Argentina www.agatesfromargentina.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 23 Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com You can reach the person managing the list at rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." [Rockhounds-Digest] Today's Topics: 1. finding a low-temperature asher? (DonH) 2. Re: finding a low-temperature asher? (J Bryan Kramer) 3. Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) (Kreigh Tomaszewski) 4. Re: finding a low-temperature asher? (DonH) 5. Re: finding a low-temperature asher? (J Bryan Kramer) 6. Re: finding a low-temperature asher? (J Bryan Kramer) 7. Galena, shiny and dull (Erich Kern) 8. Re: Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) (Kitty & Bill Heacox) 9. RE: finding a low-temperature asher? (Ted Kowalski) 10. Re: Galena, shiny and dull (Alan Goldstein) 11. Re: finding a low-temperature asher? (J Bryan Kramer) 12. Re: finding a low-temperature asher? (DonH) 13. Re: Galena, shiny and dull (Tim Jokela Jr.) 14. Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy (Tambuyser) 15. NOT OF THIS EARTH!! (John Siebel) 16. Re: NOT OF THIS EARTH!! (J Bryan Kramer) 17. RE: Galena, shiny and dull (Andrew Turner) 18. Re: NOT OF THIS EARTH!! (Tim Jokela Jr.) 19. RE: finding a low-temperature asher? (Axel Emmermann) 20. another outrageous eBay fraud (DonH) 21. Re: another outrageous eBay fraud (gene@fossilnut.com) 22. Re: another outrageous eBay fraud (DonH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:45:06 -0700 From: DonH Subject: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <467C7B22.4000702@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi, This is a question I bet someone on the list can answer. My advisor is looking for a low-temperature asher. This burns away organic material at low temperature while leaving the minerals behind. He has found some for 15,000 but that is too much. He is looking to spend about 5,000 or less. It would be used occasionally for small samples, so it need not be a high-production device. Thanks, Don ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:47:53 -0400 From: "J Bryan Kramer" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed what temp range? BK On 6/22/07, DonH wrote: > > Hi, > > This is a question I bet someone on the list can answer. My advisor is > looking for a low-temperature asher. This burns away organic material > at low temperature while leaving the minerals behind. He has found some > for 15,000 but that is too much. He is looking to spend about 5,000 or > less. It would be used occasionally for small samples, so it need not > be a high-production device. > > Thanks, > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:56:56 -0400 From: Kreigh Tomaszewski Subject: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is with great sadness that I report we have lost a List member. My friend and mentor, Ed Benjamin, went to be with his Lord on June 1st. Ed served in WWII as a Radio Operator in the Merchant Marines. Ed was a Rockhound, Lapidary, and Editor of the Arrowhead News of the Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club for over 20 years. Ed was active in the Federation and won many awards as a bulletin editor. Ed is survived by his wife, Barbara, his children and grandchildren, and his brother and sisters. The family has requested memorial contributions be given to the Mayo Clinic. God Bless you Ed. You will be missed. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:56:06 -0700 From: DonH Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <467C7DB6.5030301@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd be the first to answer!!!) I will find out. This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and recover the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I don't know if that gives you a clue. Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it goes up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be kind of smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher operates under a sealed chamber? Don J Bryan Kramer wrote: > what temp range? > > BK ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:40:22 -0400 From: "J Bryan Kramer" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well normally 550 deg C is considered high enough to drive off any organic volatiles. That is for analytical work anyway. There are all sorts of ovens available in that temp range and the cost is a lot less than the prices you mentioned. But of course the volume of the furnace chamber would affect the price as would the requirement of a controlled atmosphere in the furnace. The big vendor in these kinds of lab furnaces is Thermoline and I'd browse their website to see if you can find something that suits. Once you find a suitable model then I'd check scientific supply houses for pricing: Look for furnaces. Maybe something like this: Once you fix the requirements you can call or email them for technical advice. BK On 6/22/07, DonH wrote: > > > Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd be the first > to answer!!!) I will find out. > > This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and recover > the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I don't know if that > gives you a clue. > > Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it goes > up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be kind of > smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher operates > under a sealed chamber? > > Don > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > what temp range? > > > > BK > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:43:18 -0400 From: "J Bryan Kramer" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed As for the fumes you normally run an operation like this under a fume hood or at least with a local dedicated duct hood over the furnace. There are probably OSHA regs about that. BK ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:33:44 -0700 From: "Erich Kern" Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull To: "Rockhounds" Message-ID: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has some silver content. Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? Cheers, Erich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:41:29 -1000 From: Kitty & Bill Heacox Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <4665FAA9002BE53C@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I remember some of his postings, and have copied one sign-off here: Ed Benjamin -- The Old WWII Liberty Ship Chief Radio Operator (Ah, those were the years!) His comments were pleasant, positive, and informative. Bill and I sent our sympathies to Ed's family, and to you, Kreigh. Aloha, Kitty At 03:56 PM 6/22/2007, you wrote: >It is with great sadness that I report we have lost a List member. My >friend and mentor, Ed Benjamin, went to be with his Lord on June 1st. > >Ed served in WWII as a Radio Operator in the Merchant Marines. Ed was a >Rockhound, Lapidary, and Editor of the Arrowhead News of the Indian >Mounds Rock and Mineral Club for over 20 years. Ed was active in the >Federation and won many awards as a bulletin editor. > >Ed is survived by his wife, Barbara, his children and grandchildren, and >his brother and sisters. The family has requested memorial contributions >be given to the Mayo Clinic. > >God Bless you Ed. You will be missed. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:27:56 -0400 From: "Ted Kowalski" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <000601c7b59a$4f8955e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Don: This may be a dumb thought, but what the hey. Is there a reason you can't use a common stove with a clean cycle? The clean cycle should within a few cycles do as you wished and stoves are designed to vent. Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:56 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd be the first to answer!!!) I will find out. This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and recover the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I don't know if that gives you a clue. Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it goes up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be kind of smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher operates under a sealed chamber? Don J Bryan Kramer wrote: > what temp range? > > BK -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:31:53 -0400 From: "Alan Goldstein" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <001401c7b59a$dd37ef50$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original I've not heard of that. Is that supposed to be as regular crystals versus cleavages or weathered vs. fresh? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has some silver content. Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? Cheers, Erich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:44:12 -0400 From: "J Bryan Kramer" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: Ted@crystalgems.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed One other thing, I'll bet there is a standard method for doing this. Either ASTM or some other standard organization. BK ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:51:11 -0700 From: DonH Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: Ted@crystalgems.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <467D254F.8010401@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Ted Kowalski wrote: > Don: > This may be a dumb thought, but what the hey. Is there a reason you can't > use a common stove with a clean cycle? The clean cycle should within a few > cycles do as you wished and stoves are designed to vent. > > Ted Thanks, but I already thought of things like that--apparently there is some sort of atmospheric control required, and also, the way in which the burning occurs. I've asked for more details but I've been told you can't use a regular oven or a melting furnace. Thanks, Don ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:01:26 -0400 From: "Tim Jokela Jr." Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <007701c7b59e$fdb13da0$6400a8c0@Junior> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Nonsense, I'd say all but the very fine-grained galena is shiny when you hit it with a hammer. An interesting quest would be to find truly lustrous galena crystals; they're a lot rarer than you'd think! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has some silver content. Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? Cheers, Erich --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:11:21 +0200 From: "Tambuyser" Subject: [Rockhounds] Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy To: Message-ID: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" For those interested in the history of mineralogy / crystallography there is a new website entitled: The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy http://www.mineralogy.be/ The Virtual Museum includes antiquarian books, goniometers, crystal models, antique labels, optical- and other instruments once used in mineralogy or crystallography. The objects we display are kept in different museums, institutes and private collections all over the world. The objective of the virtual museum may only be met with the help of many who are willing to share photographs and descriptions of their own treasures with others. If you are also willing to contribute, do not hesitate to contact us. If you would like to be kept informed about the activities of the Virtual Museum, subscribe to our e-mail newsletter (will be issued maximum 4 times a year). The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy is a joint initiative of Paul Tambuyser and Claude Hootel?. Kind regards, Paul Tambuyser paul@minerant.org ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:33:39 -0700 From: "John Siebel" Subject: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <003f01c7b5ab$e4dea4e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Here's your giggle for the day. http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 John ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:39:51 -0400 From: "J Bryan Kramer" Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed LOL that photo reminds me of a recent entry on a photoblog about being wary of blurry product shots on Ebay. BK On 6/23/07, John Siebel wrote: > Here's your giggle for the day. > > http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 > > John > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:20:35 -0700 From: "Andrew Turner" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Actually, I have heard that typically octahedral galena has a higher silver content than the basic cubic galena. It has to do with the silver substitution into the galena structure or something like that. That's what the people told me when I went in the lead/zinc mines in Viburnum, MO. I actually don't know if this is true, but I think this was based on the tri-state galena and Old Lead Belt galena where this was the case. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA >From: "Erich Kern" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:33:44 -0700 > > > >An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas dull >looking galena likely has some silver content. > >Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? > >Cheers, >Erich > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:31:50 -0400 From: "Tim Jokela Jr." Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <009501c7b5c4$c4088a60$6400a8c0@Junior> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response God, I wish the aliens would come and take those idiots away! Sad to see data from Colorado School of Mines and Excalibur misused by this con artist. The bit from the metaphysical morons was hysterical though - you can use it for levitation, so must be alien! Muwhahahahahaha! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! > LOL that photo reminds me of a recent entry on a photoblog about being > wary of blurry product shots on Ebay. > > BK > > On 6/23/07, John Siebel wrote: >> Here's your giggle for the day. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 >> >> John >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:35:58 +0200 From: "Axel Emmermann" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <002a01c7b5c5$57bb5cb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, but then you keep the organic carbon as carbon. Even under normal atmosphere 550 degrees centigrade would barely burn carbon. If you want to get rid of that C too you need to up the temp to about 750?C. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2007 3:40 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] finding a low-temperature asher? > > Well normally 550 deg C is considered high enough to drive > off any organic volatiles. That is for analytical work > anyway. There are all sorts of ovens available in that temp > range and the cost is a lot less than the prices you > mentioned. But of course the volume of the furnace chamber > would affect the price as would the requirement of a > controlled atmosphere in the furnace. > > The big vendor in these kinds of lab furnaces is Thermoline > and I'd browse their website to see if you can find something > that suits. Once you find a suitable model then I'd check > scientific supply houses for > pricing: > > > > Look for furnaces. Maybe something like this: > > &model=F30420C-60-80&headerlist=[ACCESSORY],[AMPS],[CE],[CHAMB ER_CUBIC_INCHES_L],[CHAMBER_DIMENSIONS_D],[CHAMBER_DIMENSIONS_H],[> CHAMBER_DIMENSIONS_W],[CUL],[DESC],[ETL],[HERTZ],[MODEL],[NEW_ > BRANDED],[NRTL],[OBS],[OPERATING_TEMP_RANGE_C],[OPERATING_TEMP > _RANGE_F],[OVERALL_DIMENSIONS_D],[OVERALL_DIMENSIONS_H],[OVERA > LL_DIMENSIONS_W],[PRICE],[PRICE_LAST_UPDATED],[PRODUCT_LINE],[ > SA],[SHIPPING_WEIGHT_LK],[SPECIAL_OFFER],[SUB_PRODUCT_GROUP_ID > ],[TEMP_CONTROL_GROUP],[UL],[VOLTS],[WATTS]&tabname=tblFurnace > s&product_id=7> > > Once you fix the requirements you can call or email them for > technical advice. > > BK > > > > > On 6/22/07, DonH wrote: > > > > > > Argh. Don't know at the moment (and BTW, I figured you'd > be the first > > to answer!!!) I will find out. > > > > This is for roasting goat lungs to reduce the organic tissue and > > recover the mineral dusts and fibers contained therein. I > don't know > > if that gives you a clue. > > > > Quite frankly I don't know why he can't use my melting furnace--it > > goes up to nearly 2,000 deg which is more than enough. It would be > > kind of smoky and foul-smelling though. Maybe an "official" asher > > operates under a sealed chamber? > > > > Don > > > > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > > what temp range? > > > > > > BK > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:54:31 -0700 From: DonH Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <467D6C67.7050709@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Grrrr... This one is even worse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280113520871 If you bother to read his rambling and possibly drug-induced text then you'll see that he's not even claiming any scientific evidence for it being a Martian meteorite, he claims God told him in a vision. I have reported both of these to eBay as fraudulent items. This came up when I was searching for something else. Don ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:48:52 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <005601c7b5f1$0efa9f00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response It occurs to me that there may be no intent to actually sell this item but merely to get you to read the stuff below. Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud > > Grrrr... This one is even worse. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280113520871 > > If you bother to read his rambling and possibly drug-induced text then > you'll see that he's not even claiming any scientific evidence for it > being a Martian meteorite, he claims God told him in a vision. > > I have reported both of these to eBay as fraudulent items. This came up > when I was searching for something else. > > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:59:08 -0700 From: DonH Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud To: gene@fossilnut.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <467DB3CC.3080201@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed gene@fossilnut.com wrote: > It occurs to me that there may be no intent to actually sell this item > but merely to get you to read the stuff below. > > Gene Hartstein Yes, I'm sure. But that's against eBay rules as well. That's actually what ticked me off even more. That other ad has 5 bidders so far (unless they're shills of the seller) and eBay hasn't cancelled it yet. Most people have heard the old Latin phrase, buyer beware, caveat emptor. I would modify that for eBay--especially for rocks, minerals, gems & jewelry--my Latin is a little rusty, but I believe the term is "caveat emptor maximus extremus." Be careful out there, folks. These things are obvious, but I have seen a lot of non-obvious chicanery in these categories as well. Caveat, Don ------------------------------ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 23 ****************************************** From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Jun 23 21:09:38 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:09:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud In-Reply-To: <005601c7b5f1$0efa9f00$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <686326.97155.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Fellas' Because not all of us have the degree of Education that you do, it appears to me that many feel they can take advantage of ones mind. I do not know that much about meteorites at all. This is just one more way in which to scam the general public. I would bet that people not truly educated in meteorites may be willing to purchase something that is turely not what it appears to be. or the guy's had toooooo much, or both. Happy Weekend! TJ --- gene@fossilnut.com wrote: > It occurs to me that there may be no intent to > actually sell this item but > merely to get you to read the stuff below. > > Gene Hartstein > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DonH" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:54 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud > > > > > > Grrrr... This one is even worse. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280113520871 > > > > If you bother to read his rambling and possibly > drug-induced text then > > you'll see that he's not even claiming any > scientific evidence for it > > being a Martian meteorite, he claims God told him > in a vision. > > > > I have reported both of these to eBay as > fraudulent items. This came up > > when I was searching for something else. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Jun 23 21:18:17 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:18:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy In-Reply-To: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> Message-ID: <702882.44639.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, one could stand to learn something new! Thanks for That! Tj P.S. I am a graphic designer, and will take on some new creativity designs. Cool! Thanks --- Tambuyser wrote: > For those interested in the history of mineralogy / > crystallography there is > a new website entitled: > > The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy > http://www.mineralogy.be/ > > The Virtual Museum includes antiquarian books, > goniometers, crystal models, > antique labels, optical- and other instruments once > used in mineralogy or > crystallography. The objects we display are kept in > different museums, > institutes and private collections all over the > world. The objective of the > virtual museum may only be met with the help of many > who are willing to > share photographs and descriptions of their own > treasures with others. If > you are also willing to contribute, do not hesitate > to contact us. > > If you would like to be kept informed about the > activities of the Virtual > Museum, subscribe to our e-mail newsletter (will be > issued maximum 4 times a > year). > > The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy is a > joint initiative of > Paul Tambuyser and Claude Hootel?. > > ? > Kind regards, > Paul Tambuyser > paul@minerant.org > ? > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Jun 23 21:18:09 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:18:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy In-Reply-To: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> Message-ID: <800250.6097.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, one could stand to learn something new! Thanks for That! Tj P.S. I am a graphic designer, and will take on some new creativity designs. Cool! Thanks --- Tambuyser wrote: > For those interested in the history of mineralogy / > crystallography there is > a new website entitled: > > The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy > http://www.mineralogy.be/ > > The Virtual Museum includes antiquarian books, > goniometers, crystal models, > antique labels, optical- and other instruments once > used in mineralogy or > crystallography. The objects we display are kept in > different museums, > institutes and private collections all over the > world. The objective of the > virtual museum may only be met with the help of many > who are willing to > share photographs and descriptions of their own > treasures with others. If > you are also willing to contribute, do not hesitate > to contact us. > > If you would like to be kept informed about the > activities of the Virtual > Museum, subscribe to our e-mail newsletter (will be > issued maximum 4 times a > year). > > The Virtual Museum of the History of Mineralogy is a > joint initiative of > Paul Tambuyser and Claude Hootel?. > > ? > Kind regards, > Paul Tambuyser > paul@minerant.org > ? > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Jun 23 21:27:53 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:27:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) In-Reply-To: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <643261.65594.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kreigh~ I was sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. I too lost a good friend and WWII Veteran, Jackson Lane Taylor. We will miss our friends, and I want you to know I feel for your loss. TJ --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > It is with great sadness that I report we have lost > a List member. My > friend and mentor, Ed Benjamin, went to be with his > Lord on June 1st. > > Ed served in WWII as a Radio Operator in the > Merchant Marines. Ed was a > Rockhound, Lapidary, and Editor of the Arrowhead > News of the Indian > Mounds Rock and Mineral Club for over 20 years. Ed > was active in the > Federation and won many awards as a bulletin editor. > > Ed is survived by his wife, Barbara, his children > and grandchildren, and > his brother and sisters. The family has requested > memorial contributions > be given to the Mayo Clinic. > > God Bless you Ed. You will be missed. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From totis99 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 21:34:32 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:34:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] another outrageous eBay fraud In-Reply-To: <467DB3CC.3080201@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20070624043432.80756.qmail@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! you have to appreciate after all the writing he did in the article and the excerpts of his book about the power of God ......... at the very bottom of it right below the pictures and the counter is the following.. The power of protection from AOL and eBay. and here i thought it was a 'higher power' (no offense to God or anyone else is meant by this posting) Teresa O. --- DonH wrote: > gene@fossilnut.com wrote: > > > It occurs to me that there may be no intent to > actually sell this item > > but merely to get you to read the stuff below. > > > > Gene Hartstein > > > Yes, I'm sure. But that's against eBay rules as > well. That's actually > what ticked me off even more. > > That other ad has 5 bidders so far (unless they're > shills of the seller) > and eBay hasn't cancelled it yet. > > Most people have heard the old Latin phrase, buyer > beware, caveat > emptor. I would modify that for eBay--especially > for rocks, minerals, > gems & jewelry--my Latin is a little rusty, but I > believe the term is > "caveat emptor maximus extremus." Be careful out > there, folks. These > things are obvious, but I have seen a lot of > non-obvious chicanery in > these categories as well. > > Caveat, > Don > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From totis99 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 21:52:53 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Sat Jun 23 21:52:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ancient Egypt's source of gold Message-ID: <301419.42217.qm@web36711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After reading and laughing at the crystal cruncher bible belt dude and his meteorite, it was refreshing to see this in the Yahoo news headlines. They believe they have found the source of Egypt's gold. Hope ya'll will find the article as interesting and enjoyable as I did :) Teresa O. http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070619/sc_livescience/cluetoegyptsgoldsourcediscovered ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 07:01:30 2007 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Sun Jun 24 07:01:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull In-Reply-To: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I believe it is the other way around. Silver-bearing galena(i.e. Argentiferous) is very shiny. Elton --- Erich Kern wrote: > An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most > pure PbS, whereas dull looking galena likely has > some silver content. > > Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to > it? > > Cheers, > Erich > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 24 08:05:29 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 24 08:05:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) In-Reply-To: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> References: <467C7D38.28FF@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001601c7b671$1acb9de0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Dear Kreigh, My sincerest condolences. High age never makes the loss of a friend more acceptable, does it? Please extend my condolences to the family. Best regards Axel Emmermann European Regional VP of the Fluorescent Mineral Society http://www.uvminerals.org/ My website:http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/ > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 juni 2007 2:57 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Ed Benjamin (1923-2007) > > It is with great sadness that I report we have lost a List > member. My friend and mentor, Ed Benjamin, went to be with > his Lord on June 1st. > > Ed served in WWII as a Radio Operator in the Merchant > Marines. Ed was a Rockhound, Lapidary, and Editor of the > Arrowhead News of the Indian Mounds Rock and Mineral Club for > over 20 years. Ed was active in the Federation and won many > awards as a bulletin editor. > > Ed is survived by his wife, Barbara, his children and > grandchildren, and his brother and sisters. The family has > requested memorial contributions be given to the Mayo Clinic. > > God Bless you Ed. You will be missed. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Jun 24 14:45:52 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Jun 24 14:45:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull In-Reply-To: <735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> <735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002801c7b6a9$09d300e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I've seen shiny and dull galenite. I'm not a geologist but I would dare to assume that: Both pure galenite and argentiferous are for all practical purposes equally metallic in nature. Just another way of saying "super-opaque" , I guess. All photons of literally all frequencies are immediately bounced back off a freshly broken surface. I think here lies the clue: freshly broken surface. Oxidation makes oxides which are less opaque, hence less shiny, than the original sulfide. Also: less flat...like rust on an iron mirror. When a galenite crystal grows slowly it forms perfect crystals which are very shiny and smooth. When it grows fast it is much less smooth. Smooth crystal faces are much less susceptible to oxidation. So: not only are fast growing crystals less smooth (pitted mirrors), they also turn dull very quickly due to oxidation. Me thinks. You really should have this checked by a geologist but I think I'm not mistaking by far ;-))) Axel Emmermann European Regional Vice President of the Fluorescent Mineral Society ========================= Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen/Antwerp Mineralogical Society Werkgroepleider/Workgroup leader: Fluorescerende mineralen/Fluorescent minerals Technische Realisaties/Engineering My website: > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Mr EMan > Verzonden: zondag 24 juni 2007 15:01 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull > > I believe it is the other way around. Silver-bearing > galena(i.e. Argentiferous) is very shiny. > > Elton > --- Erich Kern wrote: > > > An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas > > dull looking galena likely has some silver content. > > > > Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? > > > > Cheers, > > Erich > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From hachita at vtc.net Sun Jun 24 15:32:13 2007 From: hachita at vtc.net (Tom Nelson) Date: Sun Jun 24 15:26:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder><735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002801c7b6a9$09d300e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000901c7b6af$83664c40$6400a8c0@JoAnnBarton> the dull surface is due to anglesite and cerrusite growing on in as a general rule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull > I've seen shiny and dull galenite. > I'm not a geologist but I would dare to assume that: > Both pure galenite and argentiferous are for all practical purposes equally > metallic in nature. Just another way of saying "super-opaque" , I guess. > All photons of literally all frequencies are immediately bounced back off a > freshly broken surface. > I think here lies the clue: freshly broken surface. > Oxidation makes oxides which are less opaque, hence less shiny, than the > original sulfide. Also: less flat...like rust on an iron mirror. > When a galenite crystal grows slowly it forms perfect crystals which are > very shiny and smooth. When it grows fast it is much less smooth. > Smooth crystal faces are much less susceptible to oxidation. So: not only > are fast growing crystals less smooth (pitted mirrors), they also turn dull > very quickly due to oxidation. > > Me thinks. You really should have this checked by a geologist but I think > I'm not mistaking by far ;-))) > > Axel Emmermann > European Regional Vice President of the > Fluorescent Mineral Society > > ========================= > Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen/Antwerp Mineralogical Society > > Werkgroepleider/Workgroup leader: Fluorescerende mineralen/Fluorescent > minerals > Technische Realisaties/Engineering > My website: > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Mr EMan > > Verzonden: zondag 24 juni 2007 15:01 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Galena, shiny and dull > > > > I believe it is the other way around. Silver-bearing > > galena(i.e. Argentiferous) is very shiny. > > > > Elton > > --- Erich Kern wrote: > > > > > An old rockhound told me shiny galena is the most pure PbS, whereas > > > dull looking galena likely has some silver content. > > > > > > Anyone ever hear this, and is there some truth to it? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Erich > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > Policy: > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Jun 24 17:32:12 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Jun 24 17:32:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <000901c7b6af$83664c40$6400a8c0@JoAnnBarton> References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder><735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002801c7b6a9$09d300e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000901c7b6af$83664c40$6400a8c0@JoAnnBarton> Message-ID: <467F0D0C.9000602@rcn.com> Any suggestions? I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... could etch.. the quartz... As I do not " iron " ... I do not use or know about Iron Out... Any suggestions? thank you GeorgiaO From SMKELL45 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 19:26:31 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Sun Jun 24 19:26:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification Message-ID: Hi. Just obtained a group of minerals at the Gilsum, New Hampshire show. On each label is " Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection" I assume that they are old because the mineral locals are "Franklin Furnace", Bavaria, Hesse, etc. The only reference that I can find refers to a 1921 American Mineralogist article- which I can't get my hands on. Any info on this collection, person, and approximate age of this collection would be appreciated. smkell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Jun 24 19:45:45 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sun Jun 24 19:47:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification References: Message-ID: <00af01c7b6d2$f250d6c0$0300a8c0@warren> I just did a search, and it's available through interlibrary loan. Talk to your local library. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification > Hi. Just obtained a group of minerals at the Gilsum, New Hampshire > show. > On each label is " Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection" I > assume that they are old because the mineral locals are "Franklin > Furnace", > Bavaria, Hesse, etc. > The only reference that I can find refers to a 1921 American > Mineralogist > article- which I can't get my hands on. Any info on this collection, > person, > and approximate age of this collection would be appreciated. smkell > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Jun 24 20:26:26 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Jun 24 20:19:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT - club classes References: Message-ID: <467F3450.1C21@Tomaszewski.net> Jeff, When I was growing up (back in the '60s) the Club I belonged to had regular Saturday morning classes for 'pebble pups' (8 to 16 years old) in Geology, Mineralogy, and Lapidary. There was a nominal fee ($10 for 26 classes, if I remember correctly) that was split between the Club and the Museum (where the classes where held). The instructors were either Museum employees or Club volunteers. Each two hour class had about 25 students. All materials were provided. The Museum gave the Club three stalls in their garage for a Lapidary workshop. It was a different time. Today my Club has a beading group that gathers about an hour before regular Club meetings to teach and share skills. The leader/instructor is a Club member who volunteers her time; each participant provides their own materials. My current Club also has one volunteer who teaches Lapidary. He sets up schedules 1-on-1. Kids are free, and all materials provided; I do not know if he charges adults. My current Club also has a number of members who go to public and private school classrooms, on request, to make rockhounding and Earth Science presentations. I do about a dozen of these each year; there is nothing more fun than sharing our common passion for Rockhounding (and showing off selections from our collection 'hands-on') to a receptive student audience. My Club also wants to improve its educational efforts to attract more families. Thank you for giving voice to a common question. I hope for many alternatives to be shared. I hope my sharing helps someone. What is your Club doing today to reach out and educate children? Kreigh BNMJEFF@aol.com wrote: > > I would like to get some input from other gem societies about classes. > I would like information on how you schedule them, minimum number of > students, fees, spilt of fees between club and teacher, etc. Our club's class setup > is in dire need of revamping. Please reply off list, unless the mods feel > this is Ok to keep onlist. > > > Jeff Ursillo > Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Jun 24 21:28:37 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Jun 24 21:28:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] club classes & volunteering In-Reply-To: <467F3450.1C21@Tomaszewski.net> References: <467F3450.1C21@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <467C375200029855@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) There is no rockhound club here on the Big Island of Hawaii; I know clubs are great, and if I were younger and more energetic, I might try to start one. But I'd like to point out that individuals can volunteer without the backing of a club. Like Kreigh and some others, I give about a dozen presentations each year at public and private schools as well as for school groups who come to Lyman Museam here in Hilo each year (the museum has a nice mineral collection, but no curator who knows much about it). My point is that individual rockhounds can contribute to educational efforts even without the support of a club. Just go to your local schools and ask the secretary who would be best person to talk to about volunteering; it may be the principal, the science teacher, the after-school program director, or the parent support organization president. Certainly a club would be great, but individual efforts are far better than none at all. Aloha, Kitty At 05:26 PM 6/24/2007, Kreigh wrote: > My current Club also has a number of members who go to public and >private school classrooms, on request, to make rockhounding and Earth >Science presentations. I do about a dozen of these each year; there is >nothing more fun than sharing our common passion for Rockhounding (and >showing off selections from our collection 'hands-on') to a receptive >student audience. > >My Club also wants to improve its educational efforts to attract more >families. Thank you for giving voice to a common question. I hope for >many alternatives to be shared. I hope my sharing helps someone. > >What is your Club doing today to reach out and educate children? > >Kreigh > > > > > > > >BNMJEFF@aol.com wrote: > > > > I would like to get some input from other gem societies about classes. > > I would like information on how you schedule them, minimum number of > > students, fees, spilt of fees between club and teacher, etc. Our > club's class setup > > is in dire need of revamping. Please reply off list, unless the mods feel > > this is Ok to keep onlist. > > > > > > Jeff Ursillo > > Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 22:00:36 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Jun 24 22:00:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] "Grits" is a grain too! Message-ID: Another meaning of "grits" is Girls Raised In The South. Glenn "Grits" is a grain too! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! Check out the New MSN Mobile! http://mobile.msn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Jun 25 04:14:56 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Jun 25 04:15:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <467F0D0C.9000602@rcn.com> References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder><735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002801c7b6a9$09d300e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000901c7b6af$83664c40$6400a8c0@JoAnnBarton> <467F0D0C.9000602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <467FA3B0.3070305@ptd.net> Frederick Olmstead wrote: > Any suggestions? > > I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" > rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... > could etch.. the quartz... > > As I do not " iron " ... > I do not use or know about Iron Out... > > Any suggestions? > > thank you > > GeorgiaO > Iron out can be found at hardware stores like ace hardware or larger box hardware stores like lowes or home depot. It is used to remove iron stains. Not an "ironing" assistant. I have found that the stuff works best when you have a bucket, remove as much "crud" as possible from specimens, place specimens in bucket and very warm water, and then add iron out powder to the solution until no more dissolves. DO NOT breathe the powder dust. What it does is turn the iron stains into a differant form of rust, or blackish looking material. Sometimes this reaction allows "some" of the material to fall away from the specimens. If you do not remove as much material as possible it will simply turn the material a bluish black and if you pick into it, will still be rusty, beyond the point of which the solution was able to penetrate. It is good stuff but dont have unrealistic expectations of what it can do.... It is GREAT for removing discoloration due to rust, but will not remove large quantities of iron rich clay. From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Mon Jun 25 09:41:28 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Mon Jun 25 09:41:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005601c7b747$b0bc9b20$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Give me the reference citation and I'll look it up for you -- we have a nearly complete set of AM here at the mine. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of SMKELL45@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:27 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification Hi. Just obtained a group of minerals at the Gilsum, New Hampshire show. On each label is " Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection" I assume that they are old because the mineral locals are "Franklin Furnace", Bavaria, Hesse, etc. The only reference that I can find refers to a 1921 American Mineralogist article- which I can't get my hands on. Any info on this collection, person, and approximate age of this collection would be appreciated. smkell From SMKELL45 at aol.com Mon Jun 25 12:05:09 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 25 12:05:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification Message-ID: Any help is appreciated. The presentation of the Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection was in the 1921 issue of American Mineralogist,Vol. 6, No. 3,possibly pg. 53. The author or presenter was ETW which I think might be Edgar Theodore Wherry. I'm looking for any info, especially on the approximate date in which the collection was assembled. Again the label locations of Franklin Furnace, Bavaria, and Hesse suggested pre World War I assemblage. If there is an article that could be copied please let me know any costs and I'll send it out. Thanks Steve Kelland ,Poughkeepsie N.Y. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Mon Jun 25 12:47:47 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Mon Jun 25 12:47:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7b761$b7fefa80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Hi Steve, I'm posting this on-line because I assume others would be interested in this information too. Florence Pilkington Manchester was the wife of James G. Manchester of New York City, the author (if I remember correctly) of a book entitled "The Minerals of New York City and its Environs". The Manchester collection totaled some 3,000 specimens and had been built over a period of about 30 years. It was worldwide in scope but particularly rich in New Jersey zeolites and in minerals from New York and New England localities. Six glass cases of minerals from this collection were placed on public view ca. 1920 in the Public Library at Fall River, Massachusetts. James Manchester was a former resident of Fall River and donated his entire collection to that city in remembrance of his wife -- thus the "Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection". I remember Manchester's book, and from the photos therein I can attest there really were some wonderful specimens in that collection. I can send a photocopy of the article if you wish -- one page text, one photo. Just need a mailing address. Cheers- Earl ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of SMKELL45@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:05 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Label identification Any help is appreciated. The presentation of the Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection was in the 1921 issue of American Mineralogist,Vol. 6, No. 3,possibly pg. 53. The author or presenter was ETW which I think might be Edgar Theodore Wherry. I'm looking for any info, especially on the approximate date in which the collection was assembled. Again the label locations of Franklin Furnace, Bavaria, and Hesse suggested pre World War I assemblage. If there is an article that could be copied please let me know any costs and I'll send it out. Thanks Steve Kelland ,Poughkeepsie N.Y. From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 25 12:55:15 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 25 12:56:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification References: <000001c7b761$b7fefa80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <002c01c7b762$c5d3f970$0300a8c0@warren> http://www.exceptionalminerals.com/exceptionalroom4.htm A 25k mineral from that collection. Outta my budget, but sure is pretty! Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl R. Verbeek" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Label identification > Hi Steve, > > I'm posting this on-line because I assume others would be interested in > this > information too. > > Florence Pilkington Manchester was the wife of James G. Manchester of New > York City, the author (if I remember correctly) of a book entitled "The > Minerals of New York City and its Environs". The Manchester collection > totaled some 3,000 specimens and had been built over a period of about 30 > years. It was worldwide in scope but particularly rich in New Jersey > zeolites and in minerals from New York and New England localities. Six > glass cases of minerals from this collection were placed on public view > ca. > 1920 in the Public Library at Fall River, Massachusetts. James Manchester > was a former resident of Fall River and donated his entire collection to > that city in remembrance of his wife -- thus the "Florence Pilkington > Manchester Memorial Collection". > > I remember Manchester's book, and from the photos therein I can attest > there > really were some wonderful specimens in that collection. > > I can send a photocopy of the article if you wish -- one page text, one > photo. Just need a mailing address. > > Cheers- Earl > > ----------------------------------- > Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist > Sterling Hill Mining Museum > 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 > 973-209-7212 > shmm@ptd.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > SMKELL45@aol.com > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:05 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Label identification > > Any help is appreciated. The presentation of the Florence Pilkington > Manchester Memorial Collection was in the 1921 issue of American > Mineralogist,Vol. > 6, No. 3,possibly pg. 53. The author or presenter was ETW which I think > might > be Edgar Theodore Wherry. I'm looking for any info, especially on the > approximate date in which the collection was assembled. Again the label > locations of Franklin Furnace, Bavaria, and Hesse suggested pre World > War > I > assemblage. If there is an article that could be copied please let me > know > any costs and I'll send it out. Thanks Steve Kelland ,Poughkeepsie N.Y. > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From SMKELL45 at aol.com Mon Jun 25 16:08:54 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 25 16:09:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification Message-ID: I would love to have a photocopy of the article. If it's appropriate I'll keep it , for future collector to refer to, when it's my turn to pass these minerals on. My address is: Steve Kelland 13 Susan Lane Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12603 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Mon Jun 25 16:26:56 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Mon Jun 25 16:27:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification Message-ID: Thanks. That's the label. The specimens that I bought were far less expensive, but I guess what I got had been in some big company.Steve ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 18:52:32 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Mon Jun 25 18:52:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florence Pilkington Manchester memorial collection Message-ID: <255611.27150.qm@web56311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Steve: I love these old beautiful specimens from another century. Julie was a little excited, it's a $2250 specimen, not $25K but still not cheap, and I expect he would dicker down a couple of hundred dollars. But it is a wonderful calcite, and the luster is glistening, just as the old label says! Keven says he has taken "steps to preserve it for posterity" which I have to assume means he has sent a scan to the MinRec archive. I also wanted to point out that the Mineralogical Record has founded an archive of mineral labels, and I would be amazed if they a) wouldn't love to have a scan of your label and b) don't already have several other labels from this somewhat well known collection. Here's the URL: http://www.minrec.org/labelarchive.asp I discover to my surprise that they don't yet have any of Florence's labels posted. Here's your chance for a place in mineralogical history! Because I know they would love to have more labels from this collection! I've gotten my points out of order, but don't give me a hard time, I just finished making salmon mousse poached as quenelles, and then eating them with fresh corn on the cob and sourdough bread...and white wine to drink. Salt, a well-known mineral, was an integral part of the prep work! Amazing I can type, actually. JR --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Jun 25 19:04:18 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Mon Jun 25 19:05:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florence Pilkington Manchester memorial collection References: <255611.27150.qm@web56311.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023701c7b796$55d5c980$0300a8c0@warren> > Julie was a little excited, it's a $2250 specimen, not $25K but still not > cheap. Eh, speed reading again. The page is pulled up on an F.P.M.M.C. search (one of two pages that Google pulls up - the other is from American Mineralogiest - lol), and the top specimen on that page is indeed 25k, just from a different collection. In a hurry, sorry. J. From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Jun 26 00:18:52 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Jun 26 00:19:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection References: <200706260101.l5Q10xgA016587@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7b7c2$40a3e610$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Years ago Ernest Wiedhause who lived in West Chester Co., NY told me that his old buddy Manchester had donated his collection and enough money to build a wing on to the library at Fall River, Mass to house the collection. He said I couldn't miss it because her hame was written above the door leading to that wind of the library. When I went up there to see it her name had been removed and there were some display cases full of minerals on display in one of the rooms. Other identical cases that had apparently held specimens at one time had sea shells in them. When I asked about the history of the collection the librarian went into a file cabinet and brought out a copy of Canfields little publication The Final Dispositions of some American Collections of Minerals" Mineral Collections" 1923. In this little pamphlet it says Manchester, James G., New York City. "This is a general collection of about 3000 specimens, the result of 30 years' labor. It is of high grade and included many of the very finest specimens of the minerals found in the Erie Cut (1909) through Bergen Hill. About 1920 he presented it to the Public Library of Fall River, Mass., as a memorial to his wife." There were only five or six hundred specimens on display and after reading the entry in Canfields pamphlet I asked the librarian where the rest of the specimens were. After that my reception there grew very cold and I was told that they didn't know anything about other specimens. Obviously they had long since been thrown away, sold or stolen. Typical of what happens to mineral collections given to many institutions. This was almost 40 years ago. Rock From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Jun 26 08:59:49 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:00:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <467FA3B0.3070305@ptd.net> Message-ID: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi all, Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by Zep (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals in it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry it anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will continue to carry it. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Buffenmyer Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:15 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? Frederick Olmstead wrote: > Any suggestions? > > I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" > rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... > could etch.. the quartz... > > As I do not " iron " ... > I do not use or know about Iron Out... > > Any suggestions? > > thank you > > GeorgiaO > Iron out can be found at hardware stores like ace hardware or larger box hardware stores like lowes or home depot. It is used to remove iron stains. Not an "ironing" assistant. I have found that the stuff works best when you have a bucket, remove as much "crud" as possible from specimens, place specimens in bucket and very warm water, and then add iron out powder to the solution until no more dissolves. DO NOT breathe the powder dust. What it does is turn the iron stains into a differant form of rust, or blackish looking material. Sometimes this reaction allows "some" of the material to fall away from the specimens. If you do not remove as much material as possible it will simply turn the material a bluish black and if you pick into it, will still be rusty, beyond the point of which the solution was able to penetrate. It is good stuff but dont have unrealistic expectations of what it can do.... It is GREAT for removing discoloration due to rust, but will not remove large quantities of iron rich clay. -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dr00bert at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:06:58 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:07:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <467FA3B0.3070305@ptd.net> <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040706260906j24a82219t1059a5678f72390@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/07, Bob Loeffler wrote: > > Hi all, > > Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home > Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by > Zep > (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals > in > it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the > Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry > powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a > Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry > it > anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. > > I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will > continue to carry it. > > Regards, > > Bob Bob, Sounds like Home Depot has signed some sort of contract to carry only Zep products... Zep is well known in the industrial fields, they make cleansers, degreasers, solvents and many other chemicals... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kward at themineralgallery.com Tue Jun 26 09:07:00 2007 From: kward at themineralgallery.com (Kevin Ward) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:07:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection In-Reply-To: <001b01c7b7c2$40a3e610$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> References: <200706260101.l5Q10xgA016587@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <001b01c7b7c2$40a3e610$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20070626110229.036353c8@themineralgallery.com> I have one with its original label on my website: http://www.exceptionalminerals.com/exceptionalroom4.htm I acquired the specimen years ago out of another collection. I'm glad I preserved the label which was becoming brittle. Thanks for providing some of the history regarding the Manchester collection and what became of it. Obviously a good portion was sold off and is now spread around the country and or world. Very much appreciated! Kevin At 02:18 AM 6/26/2007, you wrote: >Years ago Ernest Wiedhause who lived in West Chester Co., NY told me that >his old buddy Manchester had donated his collection and enough money to >build a wing on to the library at Fall River, Mass to house the >collection. He said I couldn't miss it because her hame was written above >the door leading to that wind of the library. When I went up there to see >it her name had been removed and there were some display cases full of >minerals on display in one of the rooms. Other identical cases that had >apparently held specimens at one time had sea shells in them. When I asked >about the history of the collection the librarian went into a file cabinet >and brought out a copy of Canfields little publication The Final >Dispositions of some American Collections of Minerals" Mineral >Collections" 1923. In this little pamphlet it says Manchester, James G., >New York City. "This is a general collection of about 3000 specimens, the >result of 30 years' labor. It is of high grade and included many of the >very finest specimens of the minerals found in the Erie Cut (1909) through >Bergen Hill. About 1920 he presented it to the Public Library of Fall >River, Mass., as a memorial to his wife." > > > >There were only five or six hundred specimens on display and after reading >the entry in Canfields pamphlet I asked the librarian where the rest of >the specimens were. After that my reception there grew very cold and I was >told that they didn't know anything about other specimens. Obviously they >had long since been thrown away, sold or stolen. Typical of what happens >to mineral collections given to many institutions. This was almost 40 >years ago. > >Rock > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html The Mineral Gallery and Auction http://www.themineralgallery.com http://www.exceptionalminerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:09:39 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:09:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <467F0D0C.9000602@rcn.com> References: <001201c7b558$113935e0$4dfbf604@TheBlackAdder> <735032.32314.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <002801c7b6a9$09d300e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000901c7b6af$83664c40$6400a8c0@JoAnnBarton> <467F0D0C.9000602@rcn.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040706260909r35a55bceoee4dc799ae24871e@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/07, Frederick Olmstead wrote: > Any suggestions? > > I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" > rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... > could etch.. the quartz... > > As I do not " iron " ... > I do not use or know about Iron Out... > > Any suggestions? > > thank you > > GeorgiaO I know that Lowe's carries it and so does Walmart (at least the one in my area). Just curious to where your "Virginia Diamonds" are from (what part of VA)? Thanks, Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Jun 26 09:51:49 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:52:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <7aac8040706260909r35a55bceoee4dc799ae24871e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706261652.l5QGq3JC031156@bubbleator.drizzle.com> The Walmart that I tried didn't have it, but maybe they were just out of it that day. I'll try that one again soon. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Drew Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:10 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? On 6/24/07, Frederick Olmstead wrote: > Any suggestions? > > I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" > rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... > could etch.. the quartz... > > As I do not " iron " ... > I do not use or know about Iron Out... > > Any suggestions? > > thank you > > GeorgiaO I know that Lowe's carries it and so does Walmart (at least the one in my area). Just curious to where your "Virginia Diamonds" are from (what part of VA)? Thanks, Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:52:03 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:52:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <467FA3B0.3070305@ptd.net> <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: We bought some at Lowe's six months ago, Home Depot didn't have it. BK On 6/26/07, Bob Loeffler wrote: > Hi all, > > Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home > Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by Zep > (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals in > it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the > Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry > powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a > Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry it > anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. > > I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will > continue to carry it. > > Regards, > From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Jun 26 09:52:48 2007 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Jun 26 09:53:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <7aac8040706260906j24a82219t1059a5678f72390@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706261653.l5QGqxRW031285@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Drew, Yes, that is probably what happened. If I try the Zep stuff, I'll let everyone know. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Drew Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 10:07 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? On 6/26/07, Bob Loeffler wrote: > > Hi all, > > Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home > Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by > Zep > (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals > in > it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the > Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry > powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a > Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry > it > anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. > > I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will > continue to carry it. > > Regards, > > Bob Bob, Sounds like Home Depot has signed some sort of contract to carry only Zep products... Zep is well known in the industrial fields, they make cleansers, degreasers, solvents and many other chemicals... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 10:00:28 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Jun 26 10:00:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <200706261652.l5QGq3JC031156@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <7aac8040706260909r35a55bceoee4dc799ae24871e@mail.gmail.com> <200706261652.l5QGq3JC031156@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Well the Lowes we got it from didn't know that they had it, I had to find it on their website (not so easy) and with the catalog number they were finally able to admit that yes they had some. BK On 6/26/07, Bob Loeffler wrote: > The Walmart that I tried didn't have it, but maybe they were just out of it > that day. I'll try that one again soon. > > From dr00bert at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 10:13:33 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Tue Jun 26 10:13:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: References: <7aac8040706260909r35a55bceoee4dc799ae24871e@mail.gmail.com> <200706261652.l5QGq3JC031156@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040706261013n27f62ee5g35de23abdc5d420b@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/07, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Well the Lowes we got it from didn't know that they had it, I had to > find it on their website (not so easy) and with the catalog number > they were finally able to admit that yes they had some. > > BK Here is a link, , this is the store locator for Summit Brands (the maker of SIO). Just select Super Iron Out and then enter your zipcode... easy enough... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Tue Jun 26 11:05:54 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Tue Jun 26 11:06:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fw: European Mantle Workshop (EMAW 2007) Message-ID: <000801c7b81c$a491c480$e4fcf604@TheBlackAdder> ********************************************** From: Massimo Coltorti ********************************************** Dear Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the European Mantle Workshop (EMAW2007) to be held in Ferrara, August 29-31 2007. The final announcement and the scientific programme of the meeting are reported below or can be dowloaded from the following websites: http://www.geoitalia.org/index.php?action=doc_detail&doc_id=676&folder_id=67 http://web.unife.it/dipartimento/scienze_terra My apologies for cross posting. Best regards For the conveners Massimo Coltorti Massimo COLTORTI Dipartimento di Scienze della Terra Universit? di Ferrara Polo Scientifico-Tecnologico - Blocco B Via Saragat 1 - 44100 FERRARA Tel.:0532-974721 Fax.:0532-974767 e-mail:clt@unife.it http://www.unife.it/facolta/facolta_banner_doc_index-275017.htm European Mantle Workshop (EMAW 2007) Petrological evolution of the European Lithospheric mantle: from Archean to present day Last announcement Ferrara, 29th-31stAugust 2007 http://www.geoitalia.org (Workshop W03) Conveners: Coltorti M., Downes H., Gr?goire M., O'Reilly S.Y. Scientific Committee: Beccaluva L., Bonadiman C., Piccardo G.B., Rivalenti G., Siena F. The EMAW organizing committee is pleased to announce that almost one hundred researchers will attend the workshop, coming from several European countries, Japan and Australia. The organizing committee is confident of three days of fruitful discussion and stimulating scientific exchanges. Few publishing houses have been contacted with a view of issuing a special publication based on contributions from the workshop. The large number of participants, however, has made it necessary to change the location from that announced in the first circular. The workshop will be held in the beautiful Renaissance building of Palazzo Renata di Francia, centre of the Rectorate of the University of Ferrara (Italy), Via Savonarola, 9/11 - 44100 Ferrara - (http://www.unife.it) which is situated in the heart of the historical centre of Ferrara and within walking distance of all the listed in-wall hotels. In this very building Nicolaus Copernicus received his degree in "Diritto Canonico" on May 31st, 1503. The workshop will begin on Wednesday morning (August 29th ) and will end on Friday afternoon (August 31st). The registration desk will be open from 4 to 7 p.m on Tuesday 28th of August and it will remain open for the three days of the workshop. Final registrations and fees An additional fee of 10E is payable for registrations on the day. Registration fees are as follows Ordinary participants: 160 Euro PhD students and postgraduates: 130 Euro Undergraduates: 60 Euro One day-congress fee: 60 Euro A special student rate has been set up to encourage student (PhD, postgraduates and undergraduates) participation. The reduced rate will be applied only upon presentation of a valid student card or a certificate signed by the tutor or the head of the department. The fee includes lunches and coffee breaks for the three days of the workshop, together with the EMAW2007 and FISTGeoitalia2007 proceedings. Italian participants: The registration fee can be paid either through Bank Transfer, using the account 13558 BNL Ferrara, coordinate Bancarie nazionali L (CIN) 01005 (ABI) 13000 (CAB) or directly at the registration desk during the workshop with an additional fee of 10 Euro. Please make drafts payable to: "Massimo Coltorti-EMAW2007 workshop" Non-Italian participants: The registration fee can be paid either through Bank Transfer, using the account IT38L0100513000000000013558 (IBAN) BNLIITRR (SWIFT code) or directly at the registration desk during the workshop with an additional fee of 10 Euro. Please make drafts payable to: "Massimo Coltorti-EMAW2007 workshop" Presentations Oral Oral presentations will take place in the great hall of Palazzo Renata di Francia. The room is equipped with projector and PC with MS Powerpoint software. The workshop will consist of invited talks (30 mins) plus contributed papers (15 mins) in a sole working session (see programme below). Presentations may be transferred to the PC (vias USB and CD) at 8-9 a.m., 1-2 and 5-6 p.m. every day, including the afternoon of the 28th for the talks scheduled for the first session on the 29th. Connection with ones own lap-top is possible, but not recommended. Poster Poster boards will be set up in the 15th century "Salone dei Passi Perduti" hall, where presumably Nicolaus Copernicus was walking something like 500 hundreds years ago. All posters will be set up the morning of Wednesday 29th and removed the afternoon of Friday the 31st. Besides the time allocated for the poster session, viewing will be possible during coffee breaks and lunches. Authors are expected to stand by the posters on Wednesday and Thursday afternoon as indicated in the programme. Suitable tools for affixing the posters will be available at the registration desk. Poster board size is 90 cm (W) x 130 cm (H). Workshop official language: English Social Programme Banquet A special dinner party will be held in the evening of August 30 (Thursday) at the restaurant of the Ripagrande Hotel (http://www.ripagrandehotel.it) with a special fee of 35 Euro. For logistical reasons people who wish to participate are kindly asked to send an e-mail to bonadiman.costanza@unife.it saying "I wish to participate to the EMAW2007 banquet". Tickets can be purchased at the registration desk. Concert A late afternoon concert (Harpsichord and Flute) by the Ferrara Conservatory of Music will be offered to all participants on Wednesday 29th August in the Renaissance great hall of the Palazzo Renata di Francia. Internet facilities Internet access is possible with ones own laptop via wireless LAN connections. Scientific Programme In the attached file or download it from the web sites reported below Accommodation in Ferrara A very large group of Hotels, B&B and Resorts in Ferrara has agreed to offer special rates to the Workshop's attendees. Accommodation ranges from basic hotels for as little as 25 Euro per night in shared accommodation, to some of the finest rooms in Medieval and Renaissance buildings. Accommodation can be booked directly by the participants. To receive the special offer, please inform the reception of your attendance at the Workshop when booking. This announcement, together with the scientific programme and the list of accommodations are available at the following web sites: http://www.geoitalia.org/index.php?action=doc_detail&doc_id=676&folder_id=67 http://web.unife.it/dipartimento/scienze_terra For further information or queries, please do not hesitate to contact us: Massimo Coltorti Costanza Bonadiman Dip. Scienze della Terra Dip. Scienze della Terra Polo Scientifico-Tecnologico Polo Scientifico-Tecnologico Blocco B Blocco B Universit? di Ferrara Universit? di Ferrara Via Saragat, 1 Via Saragat, 1 44100 Ferrara - Italy 44100 Ferrara - Italy Tel: 0039 0532 974721 Tel: 0039 0532 974720 Fax:0039 0532 974767 Fax: 0039 0532 974767 e-mail: massimo.coltorti@unife.it e-mail: costanza.bonadiman@unife.it 1st day, Wednesday 29 AUGUST 2007 8.30-9.00 Registration 9.00-9.30 Opening of the meeting 9.30-10.00 - DOWNES HILARY (School of Earth Sciences, Birkbeck University of London -United Kingdom) "MANTLE XENOLITHS IN SPACE AND TIME IN EUROPE" 10.00-10.30 - WILSON MARJORIE (School of Earth & Environment, Leeds University - United Kingdom) "TERTIARY-QUATERNARY MAGMATISM IN EUROPE: HOW HAS IT INFLUENCED OR BEEN INFLUENCED BY THE EVOLUTION OF THE LITHOSPHERE?" 10.30-11.00 - Coffee break 11.00 - 11.30 - NEUMANN ELSE-RAGNHILD (University of Oslo, Physics of Geological Processes - Norway) " METASOMATISM IN THE LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE BENEATH THE CANARY ISLANDS: DOES THIS HAVE BEARING ON CENOZOIC METASOMATISM IN THE CONTINENTAL MANTLE BENEATH WESTERN AND CENTRAL EUROPE?" 11.30-12.00 - BODINIER JEAN-LOUIS, LE ROUX V?RONIQUE, SOUSTELLE VINCENT, TOMMASI ANDR?A, GARRIDO CARLOS (CNRS & Universit? de Montpellier 2 -France) " CHEMICAL VARIATIONS IN TECTONICALLY-EMPLACED MANTLE ROCKS: SUPERIMPOSED EFFECTS OF PARTIAL MELTING, MELT REDISTRIBUTION AND IGNEOUS REFERTILIZATION" 12.00-12.30 - PICCARDO GIOVANNI BATTISTA (Dipartimento per lo Studio del Territorio e delle sue Risorse, Universita' di Genova - Italy) "THE LIGURIA MODE, A MANTLE PETROLOGY - BASED CONCEPTUAL MODEL FOR THE FORMATION OF THE JURASSIC LIGURIAN TETHYS." 12.30-14.00 - LUNCH TIME 14.00-14.15 - GR?AU YOANN, GODARD MARGUERITE, ALARD OLIVIER (ARC National Key Centre GEMOC-Australia) "EVIDENCE OF MELT STAGE REFERTILIZATION AND METASOMATISM IN ABYSSAL PERIDOTITES FROM HESS DEEP (ODP LEG 147)" 14.15-14.30 - MONTANINI ALESSANDRA, TRIBUZIO RICCARDO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Parma - Italy) " MAGMATIC ACTIVITY DURING CONTINENTAL BREAKUP AND OCEAN OPENING RECORDED BY THE EXTERNAL LIGURIDE OPHIOLITES (NORTHERN APENNINES, ITALY): IMPLICATIONS FOR A MIXED PERIDOTITE-PYROXENITE MANTLE SOURCE" 14.30-15.00 - PEARSON NORMAN, O'REILLY SUZANNE Y., GRIFFIN WILLIAM L., ALARD OLIVIER, BELOUSOVA ELENA (Macquarie University, GEMOC Key Centre -Australia) "LINKING CRUSTAL AND MANTLE EVENTS USING IN-SITU U-PB, LU-HF AND RE-OS ISOTOPE ANALYSIS" 15.00-15.15 - POWELL WILLIAM, O'REILLY SUZANNE Y. (GEMOC, Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences - Australia) "GEOCHEMICAL FINGERPRINTING: VARIATIONS IN LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE SIGNATURES WITHIN AND BETWEEN TERRANES" 15.15-15.45 - Coffee break 15.45-16.15 - WITTIG NADINE, DOWNES HILARY, BAKER JOEL, PEARSON GRAHAM (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Durham - United Kingdom) "UTILISING "NEW" LITHOPHILE ISOTOPE SYSTEMS TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL:U-TH-PB AND LU-HF ISOTOPE TECHNIQUES IN DECIPHERING MANTLE MELTING, METASOMATISM AND EXOGENEOUS CONTAMINATION" 16.15 - 16.45 - UPTON BRIAN G.J. (School of GeoSciences, The Grant Institute, University of Edinburgh - United Kingdom) "PETROLOGY OF THE SUB-SCOTTISH LITHOSPHERE" 16.45-17.00 - BONADIMAN COSTANZA, COLTORTI MASSIMO, DUGGEN SVEND, PALUDETTI LAURA, SIENA FRANCA, THIRWALL MATTHEW, UPTON BRIAN B.G. (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ferrara - Italy) "PRE-MESOZOIC LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE BENEATH SCOTLAND TERRAINS" 17.00 - 17.45 Posters 18.00 - 18.45 Concert 2nd day, Thursday 30 AUGUST 2007 9.00-9.30 - O'REILLY SUZANNE Y., GRIFFIN WILLIAM L., BEGG GRAHAM (GEMOC, Macquarie University - Australia) "ARCHEAN LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE: THE REFERTILISED REMAINS" 9.30-10.00 - GRIFFIN WILLIAM L., REGE SONAL, ARAUJO DEBORA, JACKSON SIMON, PEARSON NORMAN (GEMOC, Macquarie University - Australia) "TRACE-ELEMENT PATTERNS OF DIAMOND: CLUES TO MANTLE PROCESSES" 10.00-10.30 - BOGDANOVA SVETLANA V., TSYMBAL STEPAN N., SHUMLYANSKYY LEONID V., BILLSTROEM KJELL, PASHKEVICH INNA K., TSYMBAL YURY S. (Department of Geology, Lund University - Sweden) "HETEROGENEITY OF THE SUBCONTINENTAL MANTLE BENEATH THE UKRAINIAN SHIELD" 10.30-11.00 Coffee break 11.00-11.15 - HARANGI SZABOLCS, NTAFLOS THEODOROS, DOWNES HILARY, LENKEY L?SZL? (E?tv?s University, Department of Petrology and Geochemistry -Hungary) " THE NATURE OF THE SUB-LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE BENEATH THE PANNONIAN BASIN, EASTERN-CENTRAL EUROPE, AS INFERRED FROM THE GEOCHEMISTRY OF THE NEOGENE TO QUATERNARY ALKALINE MAFIC" 11.15-11.30 - CVETKOVIC VLADI?A, DOWNES HILARY, PRELEVIC DEJAN, LAZAROV MARINA(Faculty of Mining and Geology, University of Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro) "INSIGHT INTO THE LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE BENEATH BALKAN PENINSULA: EVIDENCE FROM STUDY OF MANTLE XENOLITHS AND THEIR HOST BASALTS" 11.30-11.45 - N?DLI ZSUZSANNA, T?TH TIVADAR M., SZAB? CSABA (Lithosphere Fluid Research Lab, Dept. of Petrology and Geochemistry, Eotvos University - Hungary) "THE MESOZOIC SUBCONTINENTAL LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE BENEATH THE TISZA UNIT (S HUNGARY): UPPER MANTLE XENOLITHS IN LATE CRETACEOUS LAMPROPHYRE FROM VILL?NY MTS" 11.45-12.00 - FALUS GY?RGY, TOMMASI ANDREA, INGRIN JANNICK, SZAB? CSABA (E?tv?s Lor?nd Geophysical Institute of Hungary - Hungary) " STRUCTURE AND DEFORMATION OF THE SHALLOW LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE IN SUPRA SUBDUCTION (?) SETTING: A XENOLITH STUDY FROM THE EASTERN TRANSYLVANIAN BASIN" 12.00-12.15 - COLTORTI MASSIMO, BONADIMAN COSTANZA, FACCINI BARBARA, HARANGI SZABOLCS, NTAFLOS THEODOROS, SEGHEDI IOAN (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ferrara - Italy) "PETROLOGICAL FEATURES OF MANTLE XENOLITHS FROM EASTERN TRANSYLVANIAN BASIN: A VERY FERTILE MANTLE OR RE-FERTILISATION PROCESSES?" 12.15 - 12.30 - T?TH ATTILA, DOBOSI G?BOR, BALI ENIKO, DOWNES HILARY, SZAB? CSABA, NTAFLOS THEODOROS (Lithosphere Fluid Research Lab, E?tv?s University, Budapest - Hungary) " EVOLUTION OF LITHOSPHERE BENEATH THE EASTERN TRANSYLVANIAN BASIN (CARPATHIAN-PANNONIAN REGION): IMPRINT IN GARNET PYROXENITE XENOLITHS" 12.30 - 12.45 - BALI ENIKO, ZAJACZ ZOLTAN, KOVACS ISTVAN, SZABO CSABA, HALTER WERNER, VASELLI ORLANDO, TOROK KALMAN, BODNAR ROBERT (Bayerisches Geoinstitut, University of Bayreuth - Germany) "A QUARTZ-BEARING ORTHOPYROXENE-RICH WEBSTERITE XENOLITH FROM THE PANNONIAN BASIN, WESTERN HUNGARY: EVIDENCE FOR RELEASE OF SI-OVERSATURATED MELTS FROM THE SUBDUCTED SLAB" 12.30-14.00 - LUNCH TIME 14.00-14.30 - WITT-EICKSCHEN GUDRUN (Institut fuer Geologie und Mineralogie der Universit?t Koeln - Germany) "THE THERMAL AND GEOCHEMICAL EVOLUTION OF THE LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE BENEATH THE EIFEL (GERMANY): CONSTRAINTS FROM MANTLE XENOLITHS, A REVIEW" 14.30 - 15.00 - PUZIEWICZ JACEZ, KOEPKE J?RGEN (Institute of Geological Sciences, University of Wroclaw - Poland) "MANTLE AND ERUPTIVE METASOMATISM OF PERIDOTITE XENOLITHS BY HOST NEPHELINITE - AN EXAMPLE FROM KSIEGINKI (SW POLAND)" 15.00-15.15 - ARMIENTI PIETRO, GASPERINI DANIELA (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Pisa - Italy) "ISOTOPIC EVIDENCE FOR CHAOTIC IMPRINT IN UPPER MANTLE HETEROGENEITY" 15.15-15.30 - PERINELLI CRISTINA, SAPIENZA GIOVANNA TIZIANA, ARMIENTI PIETRO, MORTEN LAURO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Pisa - Italy) "GEOCHEMICAL FEATURES OF SPINEL PERIDOTITES IN THE UPPER MIOCENE VALLE GUFFARI DIATREME (HYBLEAN PLATEAU, SICILY): IMPLICATIONS ON EVOLUTION OF SOUTH-EASTERN SICILY LITHOSPHERE" 15.30-15.45 - COTTIN JEAN-YVES, DELPECH GUILLAME, ZERKA M., O'REILLY SUZANNE Y, LOUNI A., GREGOIRE MICHEL, LORAND JEAN-PIERRE (Departement de Geologie, Facult? de Sciences et Tecniques, Universit? Jean Monnet - France) "MANTLE XENOLITHS EVOLUTION DURING NEOGENE POST-COLLISIONAL TRANSITION FROM CALC-ALKALINE TO ALKALINE VOLCANISME IN ORANIE : A SLAB BREAKOFF" 15.45 - 16.00 - BECCALUVA LUIGI, BIANCHINI GIANLUCA, NATALI CLAUDIO, SIENA FRANCA (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ferrara - Italy) "PETROGENESIS OF THE ETHIOPIAN PLATEAU BASALTS AND THEIR BEARING ON MANTLE PLUME COMPONENTS" 15.45-16.15 Coffee break 16.15-17.00 Meeting on "Future developments for mantle petrological research in Europe and Africa" 17.00-17.45 Posters 19.00 Dinner 3rd day, Friday 31 AUGUST 2007 9.00-9.30 - PECCERILLO ANGELO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Perugia - Italy) "MANTLE STRUCTURE AND COMPOSITION BENEATH THE TYRRHENIAN SEA AREA: EVIDENCE FROM PETROLOGY AND GEOCHEMISTRY OF PLIO-QUATERNARY MAGMATISM" 9.30-9.45 - CONTICELLI SANDRO, GUARNIERI LUISA, MATTEI MASSIMO, FARINELLI ALICE, BIANCHINI GIANLUCA, BOARI ELENA, AVANZINELLI RICCARDO, TIEPOLO MASSIMO, TOMMASINI SIMONE, VENTURELLI GIAMPIERO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Firenze - Italy) "POTASSIC AND ULTRAPOTASSIC MAGMATISM IN THE WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN BASIN AND INSIGHTS ON ITS GEODYNAMIC SIGNIFICANCE -1: EVIDENCE FROM PB, ND, AND SR ISOTOPES AND TRACE ELEMENTS DATA ON LAMPROITE, SHOSHONITES AND CALC-ALKALIC ASSOCIATIONS FROM TUSCANY, MURCIA-ALMERIA, CORSICA, AND WESTERN ALPS" 9.45-10.00 - NTAFLOS THEODOROS, SEGHEDI IOAN (Department of Lithospheric Sciences, University of Vienna - Austria) "THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PHOSPHORAN OLIVINE ON THE PETROGENESIS OF THE GATAIA LAMPROITE, SW ROMANIA" 10.00-10.15 - GUZMICS TIBOR, ZAJACZ ZOLT?N, SZAB? CSABA, HALTER WERNER (Lithosphere Fluid Research Laboratory, E?tv?s University - Hungary) "LA-ICPMS STUDY OF CLINOPYROXENE-APATITE-K FELDSPAR-PHLOGOPITE METASOMATIC MANTLE XENOLITHS FROM HUNGARIAN LAMPROPHYRES AND THEIR PRIMARY CARBONATITE MELT INCLUSIONS: IMPLICATIONS FOR CARBONATITE MELT METASOMATISM IN THE EARTH'S UPPER MANTLE" 10.15-10.30 - SCAMBELLURI MARCO, HERMAN JOERG, MORTEN LAURO, PETTKE THOMAS, RAMPONE ELISABETTA, VAN ROERMUND HLM (Dipartimento per lo Studio del Territorio e sue Risorse, Universit? di Genova, Italy) "OROGENIC GARNET PERIDOTITES AS TRACERS OF MANTLE WEDGE TRANSFORMATIONS AND METASOMATISM BY SUBDUCTION FLUIDS" 10.30-11.00 Coffee break 11.00-11.15 - MAZZUCCHELI MAURIZIO, ZANETTI ALBERTO, RIVALENTI GIORGIO, VANNUCCI RICCARDO, CORREIA TEIXEIRA CIRO, TASSINARI COLOMBO, CELSO GAETA (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Modena - Italy) "NEW CONSTRAINTS ON THE MESOZOIC EMPLACEMENT OF DIORITIC DYKES IN THE BALDISSERO MANTLE PERIDOTITE MASSIF (IVREA-VERBANO ZONE" 11.15-11.30 - MORISHITA TOMOAKI, HATTORI KEIKO, TERADA KENTARO, MATSUMOTO TAKUYA, YAMAMOTO KOSHI, TAKEBE MASAMICHI, TAMURA AKIHIRO, ARAI SHOJI (Kanazawa University - Japan) "GEOCHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF APATITE-RICH LAYERS IN THE FINERO PHLOGOPITE-PERIDOTITE MASSIF" 11.30-11.45 - RENAC CHRISTOPHE, TOURON STEPHANIE, COTTIN JEAN-YVES, O' REILLY SUZANNE Y., GRIFFIN WILLIAM L. (Departement de Geologie, Facult? de Sciences et Tecniques, Universit? Jean Monnet - France) "CHARACTERISATION OF THE METASOMATIC AGENT IN MANTLE XENOLITHS FROM DEVES, MASSIF CENTRAL (FRANCE) USING COUPLED IN-SITU TRACE ELEMENT AND O, SR, ND ISOTOPIC COMPOSITIONS" 11.45-12.00 - YOSHIKAWA MASAKO, KAWAMOTO KAWAMOTO, YAMAMOTO JUNJI (Institute of Geothermal Sciences, Graduate School of Science, Kyoto University - Japan) "P-T CONDITIONS, ND-SR ISOTOPIC COMPOSITIONS AND THE TIMING OF METASOMATISM RECORDED IN PERIDOTITE XENOLITHS OF FRENCH MASSIF CENTRAL" 12.00 - 12.15 - BIANCHINI GIANLUCA, BECCALUVA LUIGI, BONADIMAN COSTANZA, SIENA FRANCA (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ferrara - Italy) "MANTLE XENOLITHS FROM THE IBERIAN PENINSULA - 20 YEARS LATER" 12.15-12.30 - PUGA RODRIGUEZ ENCARNACION, BECCALUVA LUIGI, BIANCHINI GIANLUCA, D?AZ PUGA MIGUEL ANGEL, GALINDO-ZALD?VAR JES?S, A. D?AZ DE FEDERICO ANTONIO, WIJBRANS JAN (Instituto Andaluz de Ciencias de la Tierra, Facultad de Ciencias - Spain) "NEW FINDINGS OF LAMPROPHYRIC ACTIVITY WITHIN THE SUBBETIC ZONE OF THE BETIC CORDILLERA AS EVIDENCED BY DRILLINGS IN THE CERRO PRIETO LOCALITY" 12.30-13.00 - Discussion 13.00 - Closure of the meeting POSTER SESSION 1. BALI ENIKO, BOLFAN-CASANOVA NATHALIE, KOGA KENNETH (Bayerisches Geoinstitut, University of Bayreuth - Germany) "SIGNIFICANT WATER SOLUBILITY REDUCTION IN FORSTERITE DUE TO THE VARIATION OF WATER ACTIVITY IN THE EARTH'S MANTLE" 2. BERKESI MARTA, HIDAS KAROLY, SZAB? CSABA (Lithosphere Fluid Research Lab, Department of Petrology and Geochemistry, E?tv?s University - Hungary) "PRESSURE PRESERVED BY CO2-RICH FLUID INCLUSIONS: A CASE STUDY FROM TIHANY PERIDOTITES, WESTERN HUNGARY" 3. BONELLI ROSSANA, FREZZOTTI MARIA LUCE (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Siena - Italy) "METASOMATIC PROCESSES IN THE MANTLE BENEATH THE VENETO VOLCANIC PROVINCE (NORTHERN ITALY): FLUID AND MELT INCLUSIONS EVIDENCE" 4. CARRARO ANNA, RAEPSAET CAROLINE, BUREAU H?L?NE, VISON? DARIO, FUCHS YVES, KHODJA HICHAM (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Padova - Italy) "HYDROGEN CONTENT IN PYROXENES FROM MANTLE XENOLITHS IN THE TRIASSIC MAGMATIC COMPLEX OF PREDAZZO (DOLOMITES, NE ITALY)" 5. FACER JOHN, DOWNES HILARY, BEARD ANDY (Birkbeck, University of London - United Kingdom) "METASOMATISM IN SPINEL DUNITE XENOLITHS FROM THE BEARPAW MOUNTAINS, MONTANA, USA" 6. HARA KAORI, KUMAGAI HIDENORI, OKINO KYOKO, MORISHITA TOMOAKI, SAWAGUCHI TAKASHI, JOSHIMA MASATO, NAKAMURA KENTARO, NEO NATSUKI, SHIBUYA TAKAZO, SATO TAICHI (Kanazawa university - Japan) "PETROLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS ON DEEP-SEATED ROCKS (HARZBURGITE, DUNITE AND GABBROS) AROUND THE KAIREI HYDROTHERMAL FIELD IN THE CENTRAL INDIAN RIDGE" 7. HIDAS K?ROLY, SZAB? CSABA, GUZMICS TIBOR, BALI ENIKO, ZAJACZ ZOLTAN, KOV?CS ISTV?N (Lithosphere Fluid Research Lab, Department of Petrology and Geochemistry, E?tv?s University - Hungary) "SILICATE MELT INCLUSIONS IN AMPHIBOLE-BEARING SPINEL PERIDOTITE XENOLITHS FROM THE BAKONY-BALATON HIGHLAND VOLCANIC FIELD (WESTERN HUNGARY)" 8. KOV?CS ISTV?N, SZAB? CSABA (Australian National University - Australia) "MIDDLE MIOCENE VOLCANISM IN THE VICINITY OF THE MIDDLE HUNGARIAN ZONE: EVIDENCE FOR AN INHERITED ENRICHED MANTLE SOURCE" 9. LE ROUX V?RONIQUE, BODINIER JEAN-LOUIS, ALARD OLIVIER, O'REILLY SUZANNE Y. (G?osciences Montpellier - France, GEMOC - Australia) "INSIGHTS INTO REFERTILIZATION PROCESSES IN LITHOSPHERIC MANTLE FROM INTEGRATED ISOTOPIC STUDIES IN THE LHERZ MASSIF" 10. MATUSIAK MAGDALENA, PUZIEWICZ JACEK (Wroclaw University - Poland) "ORIGIN OF XENOLITHS FROM WINNA G?RA BASALT (SW POLAND)" 11. MONTANINI ALESSANDRA, TRIBUZIO RICCARDO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Parma - Italy) "A SUBCONTINENTAL MANTLE-LOWER CRUSTAL ASSOCIATION FROM CENTRAL CORSICA (FRANCE): PRELIMINARY DATA ON THE ST. LUCIA NAPPE MANTLE SEQUENCE" 12. NAGASHIMA RYOKO, ODAJIMA NORIHIRO, MORISHITA TOMOAKI, OZAWA KAZUHITO (Kanazawa University - Japan) "CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC ORIENTATION AMONG SYMPLECTITE MINERALS IN THE HOROMAN PERIDOTITE COMPLEX, JAPAN" 13. NTAFLOS THEODOROS, KRUMPEL GEORG, HARANGI SZABOLCS, TSCHEGG CORNELIUS (Department of Lithospheric Sciences, University of Vienna - Austria) "THE ORIGIN OF THE ALKALINE AND HIGH-K CALC-ALKALINE MAGMAS ALONG THE SE MARGIN OF THE STYRIAN BASIN, AUSTRIA" 14. N?DLI ZSUZSANNA, PRINCIVALLE FRANCESCO, DOBOSI G?BOR, EMBEY-ISZTIN ANTAL, HIDAS K?ROLY, BERKESI M?RTA, SZAB? CSABA (Lithosphere Fluid Research Lab, Dept. of Petrology and Geochemistry, Eotvos University - Hungary) "CRYSTAL CHEMISTRY OF CLINOPYROXENES ENCLOSED IN UPPER MANTLE XENOLITHS FROM THE CARPATHIAN-PANNONIAN REGION (HUNGARY): CONTRIBUTIONS TO PETROGENESIS AND PRESSURE ESTIMATION" 15. PECCERILLO ANGELO, PANZA GIULIANO, FREZZOTTI MARIA LUCE, AOUDIA ABDULKARIM, DOGLIONI CARLO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Perugia - Italy) "S-WAVE VELOCITY MODELS OF THE LITHOSPHERE-ASTHENOSPHERE BENEATH THE TYRRHENIAN SEA: IMPLICATION FOR MAGMATISM, GEODYNAMICS AND MANTLE DEGASSING" 16. PERINELLI CRISTINA, ORLANDO ANDREA, CONTE AIDA MARIA, ARMIENTI PIETRO, BORRINI DANIELE, FACCINI BARBARA, MISITI VALERIA (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Pisa - Italy) "EXPERIMENTAL INVESTIGATION ON PERIDOTITE/ALKALINE-MELT REACTIONS: IMPLICATIONS FOR METASOMATISM OF NORTHERN VICTORIA LAND (ANTARCTICA) UPPER MANTLE" 17. TRIBUZIO RICCARDO, RENNA MARIA ROSARIA, DALLAI LUIGI, BRAGA ROBERTO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Pavia - Italy) "PETROGENESIS OF POST-VARISCAN OLIVINE-BEARING CUMULATES AND ASSOCIATED BASALT DYKES FROM BOCCA DI TENDA (NORTHERN CORSICA): IMPLICATIONS FOR MANTLE SOURCES" 18. ROCCO IVANA, LUSTRINO MICHELE, MELLUSO LEONE, MORRA VINCENZO (Department of Earth Sciences, University of Napoli - Italy) "PETROLOGY AND GEOCHEMISTRY OF ULTRAMAFIC XENOLITHS FROM SARDINIA" 19. SHUMLYANSKYY LEONID, NOSOVA ANNA, PER-GUNNAR ANDREASSON (Institute of Geochemistry, Mineralogy and Ore Formation - Ukraine) "AGE OF THE LITHOSPHERIC SOURCE OF THE VENDIAN FLOOD BASALTS OF THE VOLYN REGION, SOUTH-WESTERN EAST-EUROPEAN CRATON" 20. TABOR BRIAN ERNEST, TABOR FELICITY A., DOWNES HILARY (School of Earth Sciences, Birkbeck, University of London. - United Kingdom) "QUANTITATIVE TEXTURE ASSESSMENT OF MANTLE XENOLITHS" 21. AFANASIEV V.P., ASHCHEPKOV I.V. , VERZHAK V.V., PALESSKY S.V. (Institute of Geology and Mineralogy, SB RAS, Russia)" TP CONDITIONS, MANTLE LAYERING AND GEOCHEMISTRY ACCORDING TO PYROPES AND PICROILMENITES FROM ARCHANGELSK REGION" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Jun 26 12:22:33 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Jun 26 12:45:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Grading Screens In-Reply-To: <4678A10D.8060304@verizon.net> References: <000501c7b219$fe2e1d30$58ce3a43@sdouglas> <46774522.8080903@verizon.net> <00ad01c7b2ea$744bbb00$0200a8c0@Notebook> <4678A10D.8060304@verizon.net> Message-ID: <468003C100037F33@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Ray Hill has a portable stand with sieves---looks like home-made---for $86.50, if you don't fell like doing it yourself. See: http://www.greatsouth.net/miscellaneous/p-GSPSS.html [I have no connection with this site except having been a satisfied customer in the past.] Aloha, Kitty At 05:37 PM 6/19/2007, Don H wrote: All someone needs is a simple saw, a simple drill, and a tape measure, along with the most basic ability to use these. The cuts are all straight and square, and minor errors in measurement either don't matter or can be corrected. It is possible to make your own sieves to the size you like, nested if you want different screen sizes, and make a portable A-frame for sieve shaking that holds in place with bolts and thumbscrews and folds up when done. In fact this is the kind of project that is well-suited as a club activity, for clubs that are looking for something new to do, especially off-season. Don From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Tue Jun 26 14:00:56 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Tue Jun 26 14:00:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! References: <002d01c7b5a0$61776d40$9600000a@Bib> <003f01c7b5ab$e4dea4e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <009501c7b5c4$c4088a60$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <00bd01c7b835$1742f4f0$5779a118@feldsparflash> Photos look like a cabochons gone bad! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jokela Jr." To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! > God, I wish the aliens would come and take those idiots away! > > Sad to see data from Colorado School of Mines and Excalibur misused by this > con artist. > > The bit from the metaphysical morons was hysterical though - you can use it > for levitation, so must be alien! > > Muwhahahahahaha! > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] NOT OF THIS EARTH!! > > > > LOL that photo reminds me of a recent entry on a photoblog about being > > wary of blurry product shots on Ebay. > > > > BK > > > > On 6/23/07, John Siebel wrote: > >> Here's your giggle for the day. > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220124182140 > >> > >> John > >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Jun 26 14:29:58 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Tue Jun 26 14:30:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? In-Reply-To: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <467FA3B0.3070305@ptd.net> <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002801c7b839$25a3ffe0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> All: Hmmm. I saw super iron out at HD just a couple of weeks ago. Some things to remember about SIO and the big box places; the employees often don't know what they have in the odd items, so they hunt and peck just like I do. They should and can if pressed check the computer. Meanwhile, every time I've found SIO at the big box stores it is by accident; I have found SIO: In the plumbing department; heavens knows why, maybe for water stains. In the paint department right next to the acids for cleaning concrete In the lawn and garden department; again, heavens knows why (Lowes is big on putting SIO here). In the cleaning aisle next to the floor waxes and stuff. HD likes to put SIO in the paint department and sometimes in the cleaning aisle. Ask for iron stain removal stuff and you should eventually find it. After all, it is a great way to exercise in the summer by doing a couple of miles at the local A/C big box store. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Bob Loeffler Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:00 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? Hi all, Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by Zep (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals in it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry it anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will continue to carry it. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Buffenmyer Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:15 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? Frederick Olmstead wrote: > Any suggestions? > > I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" > rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... > could etch.. the quartz... > > As I do not " iron " ... > I do not use or know about Iron Out... > > Any suggestions? > > thank you > > GeorgiaO > Iron out can be found at hardware stores like ace hardware or larger box hardware stores like lowes or home depot. It is used to remove iron stains. Not an "ironing" assistant. I have found that the stuff works best when you have a bucket, remove as much "crud" as possible from specimens, place specimens in bucket and very warm water, and then add iron out powder to the solution until no more dissolves. DO NOT breathe the powder dust. What it does is turn the iron stains into a differant form of rust, or blackish looking material. Sometimes this reaction allows "some" of the material to fall away from the specimens. If you do not remove as much material as possible it will simply turn the material a bluish black and if you pick into it, will still be rusty, beyond the point of which the solution was able to penetrate. It is good stuff but dont have unrealistic expectations of what it can do.... It is GREAT for removing discoloration due to rust, but will not remove large quantities of iron rich clay. -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From roughrock at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 15:39:07 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Tue Jun 26 15:39:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tunguska crater found? Message-ID: Click here: SkyandTelescope.com - News from Sky & Telescope - Has a Tunguska Crater Been Found? http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/8134097.html They think there is a big rock in the bottom of a deep hole. Grant Johnston, Chico, CA From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Jun 26 17:43:57 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Jun 26 17:31:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Label identification References: Message-ID: <4681AFBF.338E@Tomaszewski.net> SMKELL45@aol.com wrote: > > I would love to have a photocopy of the article. If it's appropriate I'll > keep it , for future collector to refer to, when it's my turn to pass these > minerals on. My address is: > Steve Kelland Steve, Would you be willing to share the story of how you ended up with this historical collection? Kreigh From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Jun 26 19:54:56 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Jun 26 19:55:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? References: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <005701c7b866$8b9aee30$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I have found muratic acid to be unavailable at Home Depot, but always at Lowes. At one store HD they tell me it is a town ordinance. (It use to be with swimming pool chemicals and now it is in the paint aisle.) It wouldn't surprise me that other chemicals would be similar. Cnfusion among the store clerks? That is the least unexpected thing of all! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? > Hi all, > > Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home > Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by > Zep > (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals > in > it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the > Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry > powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a > Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry > it > anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. > > I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will > continue to carry it. > > Regards, > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dennis > Buffenmyer > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:15 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? > > Frederick Olmstead wrote: > >> Any suggestions? >> >> I was told to use Iron Out to clean specimens - Virginia "diamonds" >> rather than a sonic cleaner - told would not work... Or oxalic acid... >> could etch.. the quartz... >> >> As I do not " iron " ... >> I do not use or know about Iron Out... >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> thank you >> >> GeorgiaO >> > Iron out can be found at hardware stores like ace hardware or larger box > hardware stores like lowes or home depot. > It is used to remove iron stains. Not an "ironing" assistant. I have > found that the stuff works best when you have a bucket, remove as much > "crud" as possible from specimens, place specimens in bucket and very > warm water, and then add iron out powder to the solution until no more > dissolves. DO NOT breathe the powder dust. > What it does is turn the iron stains into a differant form of rust, or > blackish looking material. Sometimes this reaction allows "some" of the > material to fall away from the specimens. If you do not remove as much > material as possible it will simply turn the material a bluish black and > if you pick into it, will still be rusty, beyond the point of which the > solution was able to penetrate. It is good stuff but dont have > unrealistic expectations of what it can do.... It is GREAT for removing > discoloration due to rust, but will not remove large quantities of iron > rich clay. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net Tue Jun 26 22:20:20 2007 From: eeyoreandladybug at comcast.net (eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jun 26 22:20:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What can 10 million dollars buy you these days? Message-ID: <062720070520.13378.4681F3940007EA57000034422200763704099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Everybody needs one of these... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270137124589&ru=http://collectibles.search.ebay.com:80/270137124589_Rocks-Fossils-Minerals_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfposZ97478QQfromZR2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQlopgZQQsabfmtsZ1QQsacatZ3213QQsadisZ200QQsaobfmtsZinsifQQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1 Or eBay Item number: 270137124589 Timm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From renatesommer at bigbutton.com.au Wed Jun 27 01:58:48 2007 From: renatesommer at bigbutton.com.au (Renate Sommer) Date: Wed Jun 27 02:00:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member Message-ID: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> Hi all I have just signed up to this list because I found your website on a search for the identification of a stone I have (separate posting which I sent before I registered but will resend if it is rejected). Thought someone out there might have the info I need. All that aside, I am the daughter of avid rock collecting parents (now sadly deceased) and in possession of a fine collection of mainly precious stones and the cream of their mineral collection which although a cumbersome collection, I cannot bring myself to part with. Perhaps I will put other mystery stones up for your indentification at some future time. I don't know what half of them are. I am a jeweller (sole business) and use stones occasionally in my work. Becoming more interested in unusual cuts, particularly faceted stones. I have done one year of a gemmology course in Adelaide so have some knowledge of crystolography and identification of mainly precious stones. It would be great to be able to tap some of that wealth of knowledge that is out there without getting in my car and driving all over the country. Cheers, Renate www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 05:34:58 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Jun 27 05:35:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What can 10 million dollars buy you these days? In-Reply-To: <062720070520.13378.4681F3940007EA57000034422200763704099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> References: <062720070520.13378.4681F3940007EA57000034422200763704099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7aac8040706270534s7aa085a6rdd381720dceac915@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net wrote: > > Everybody needs one of these... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270137124589&ru=http://collectibles.search.ebay.com:80/270137124589_Rocks-Fossils-Minerals_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfposZ97478QQfromZR2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQlopgZQQsabfmtsZ1QQsacatZ3213QQsadisZ200QQsaobfmtsZinsifQQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1 > > Or eBay Item number: 270137124589 > > > Timm eBay must have removed it... it won't come up... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 05:38:38 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Jun 27 05:38:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member In-Reply-To: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> References: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> Message-ID: <7aac8040706270538u7d353f1csd7266bc7d343c690@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, Renate Sommer wrote: > > Hi all > > I have just signed up to this list because I found your website on a > search for the identification of a stone I have (separate posting which I > sent before I registered but will resend if it is rejected). Thought someone > out there might have the info I need. > > All that aside, I am the daughter of avid rock collecting parents (now > sadly deceased) and in possession of a fine collection of mainly precious > stones and the cream of their mineral collection which although a cumbersome > collection, I cannot bring myself to part with. Perhaps I will put other > mystery stones up for your indentification at some future time. I don't know > what half of them are. > > I am a jeweller (sole business) and use stones occasionally in my work. > Becoming more interested in unusual cuts, particularly faceted stones. > > I have done one year of a gemmology course in Adelaide so have some > knowledge of crystolography and identification of mainly precious stones. It > would be great to be able to tap some of that wealth of knowledge that is > out there without getting in my car and driving all over the country. > > Cheers, Renate > > www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au Welcome to the list Renate! I took the luxury of scanning your site, just poking around and I found the mystery stone page. I believe that it is a specimen of ammolite, which is the very colorful fossilized shell of an ammonite... maybe others on the list can take a look and see what they think... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Wed Jun 27 05:40:35 2007 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Wed Jun 27 05:40:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What can 10 million dollars buy you these days? In-Reply-To: <7aac8040706270534s7aa085a6rdd381720dceac915@mail.gmail.com> References: <062720070520.13378.4681F3940007EA57000034422200763704099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> <7aac8040706270534s7aa085a6rdd381720dceac915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46825AC3.5060003@jeannius.com> strange...usually it will say something about invalid item when it's been removed.... Jeanne Drew wrote: > On 6/27/07, eeyoreandladybug@comcast.net > wrote: >> >> Everybody needs one of these... >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270137124589&ru=http://collectibles.search.ebay.com:80/270137124589_Rocks-Fossils-Minerals_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfposZ97478QQfromZR2QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQlopgZQQsabfmtsZ1QQsacatZ3213QQsadisZ200QQsaobfmtsZinsifQQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbsQQfviZ1 >> >> >> Or eBay Item number: 270137124589 >> >> >> Timm > > > eBay must have removed it... it won't come up... > > Drew > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *My Jewelry:* *http://www.jeannius.com* *Silver Threads, Making Wire Filigree Jewelry(Book):* *http://www.silverthreadsfiligree.com* *Jewelry Artists Guild: http://www.jewelryartistsguild.com* *Family: http://www.rhodes-moen.com* *Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniusdesigns* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Wed Jun 27 05:59:00 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Wed Jun 27 05:59:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What can 10 million dollars buy you these days? In-Reply-To: <46825AC3.5060003@jeannius.com> References: <062720070520.13378.4681F3940007EA57000034422200763704099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> <7aac8040706270534s7aa085a6rdd381720dceac915@mail.gmail.com> <46825AC3.5060003@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040706270559r4601409aob267680b8e608d5f@mail.gmail.com> On 6/27/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > > strange...usually it will say something about invalid item when it's > been removed.... > > Jeanne Here's what I get when clicking on the link or searching for the item #... 0 item found for 270137124589 in Rocks, Fossils, Minerals Save this search Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Wed Jun 27 06:23:15 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Wed Jun 27 06:22:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member References: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> Message-ID: <001f01c7b8be$5235c0e0$5779a118@feldsparflash> Your mystery stone looks very much like ammonite. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renate Sommer" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:58 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member Hi all I have just signed up to this list because I found your website on a search for the identification of a stone I have (separate posting which I sent before I registered but will resend if it is rejected). Thought someone out there might have the info I need. All that aside, I am the daughter of avid rock collecting parents (now sadly deceased) and in possession of a fine collection of mainly precious stones and the cream of their mineral collection which although a cumbersome collection, I cannot bring myself to part with. Perhaps I will put other mystery stones up for your indentification at some future time. I don't know what half of them are. I am a jeweller (sole business) and use stones occasionally in my work. Becoming more interested in unusual cuts, particularly faceted stones. I have done one year of a gemmology course in Adelaide so have some knowledge of crystolography and identification of mainly precious stones. It would be great to be able to tap some of that wealth of knowledge that is out there without getting in my car and driving all over the country. Cheers, Renate www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tim at orerockon.com Wed Jun 27 06:42:22 2007 From: tim at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Jun 27 06:39:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member In-Reply-To: <001f01c7b8be$5235c0e0$5779a118@feldsparflash> References: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> <001f01c7b8be$5235c0e0$5779a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <200706271339.l5RDdD3A012820@bubbleator.drizzle.com> You meant ammolite of course, which is the shell of ammonites from Alberta CA. Ammolite is a rare and valuable opal-like organic gemstone found primarily along the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains of the United States and Canada. It is made of the fossilized shells of ammonites, which in turn are composed primarily of aragonite, the same mineral that makes up nacreous pearls. It is one of the three biogenic gemstones, the other two being amber and pearl.1 In 1981, ammolite was given official gemstone status by the World Jewellery Confederation, the same year commercial mining of ammolite began. In 2004 it was designated the official gemstone of the Province of Alberta. Yes I stole it from Wikipedia :) At 06:23 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote: >Your mystery stone looks very much like ammonite. >Carolyn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Renate Sommer" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:58 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Wed Jun 27 06:51:56 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Wed Jun 27 06:52:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member References: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> <001f01c7b8be$5235c0e0$5779a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <011001c7b8c2$537dd470$c51f9444@michael01> The material is ammolite from Alberta- gem material cut from cretaceous placenticeras meeki ammonites. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Reynard" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Member > Your mystery stone looks very much like ammonite. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Renate Sommer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:58 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member > > > Hi all > > I have just signed up to this list because I found your website on a > search > for the identification of a stone I have (separate posting which I sent > before I registered but will resend if it is rejected). Thought someone > out > there might have the info I need. > > All that aside, I am the daughter of avid rock collecting parents (now > sadly > deceased) and in possession of a fine collection of mainly precious stones > and the cream of their mineral collection which although a cumbersome > collection, I cannot bring myself to part with. Perhaps I will put other > mystery stones up for your indentification at some future time. I don't > know > what half of them are. > > I am a jeweller (sole business) and use stones occasionally in my work. > Becoming more interested in unusual cuts, particularly faceted stones. > > I have done one year of a gemmology course in Adelaide so have some > knowledge of crystolography and identification of mainly precious stones. > It > would be great to be able to tap some of that wealth of knowledge that is > out there without getting in my car and driving all over the country. > > Cheers, Renate > > www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Wed Jun 27 07:08:40 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Wed Jun 27 07:08:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member References: <001401c7b899$64a96a80$f038ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> <001f01c7b8be$5235c0e0$5779a118@feldsparflash> <200706271339.l5RDdD3A012820@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001101c7b8c4$b9a81650$5779a118@feldsparflash> A brain cell either missing or out to lunch, ammolite indeed! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Fisher" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Member > You meant ammolite of course, which is the shell of ammonites from Alberta CA. > > Ammolite is a rare and valuable > opal-like organic > gemstone found primarily along > the eastern slopes of the > Rocky Mountains of the > United States and > Canada. It is made of the > fossilized shells of > ammonites, which in turn are > composed primarily of > aragonite, the same > mineral that makes up > nacreous > pearls. It is one of the three > biogenic gemstones, the other > two being amber and > pearl.1 > In 1981, ammolite was given official gemstone status by the > World Jewellery Confederation, > the same year commercial mining of ammolite began. In 2004 it was > designated the official gemstone of the > Province > of Alberta. > > Yes I stole it from Wikipedia :) > > At 06:23 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote: > >Your mystery stone looks very much like ammonite. > >Carolyn > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Renate Sommer" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:58 AM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com > Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Jun 27 08:51:37 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Jun 27 08:50:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] What can 10 million dollars buy you these days? In-Reply-To: <7aac8040706270559r4601409aob267680b8e608d5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <062720070520.13378.4681F3940007EA57000034422200763704099A0D970B0E040B020E0A9D01970A0A@comcast.net> <7aac8040706270534s7aa085a6rdd381720dceac915@mail.gmail.com> <46825AC3.5060003@jeannius.com> <7aac8040706270559r4601409aob267680b8e608d5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46828789.1090107@verizon.net> Drew wrote: > On 6/27/07, Jeanne Rhodes-Moen wrote: > >> >> strange...usually it will say something about invalid item when it's >> been removed.... >> That depends on how it was removed, whether the auction was ended or it was cancelled. What's really strange is that I reported it as a fraudulent item and also sent the seller a note saying gee, that really looks like a layered sedimentary rock, are you sure of the ID? Whoever did it first, it got cancelled. Score one for justice. I notice that "UFO" and the giant Mars meteorite are there though. I can't fathom eBay's reasoning into why they cancel some ads and not others when reported. Caveat emptor extremis maximus. Don From robynahawk at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 23:57:31 2007 From: robynahawk at yahoo.com (Robyn Hawk) Date: Wed Jun 27 23:57:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <200706280101.l5S11Vwk009511@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have just received a request for information from a gentleman with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these pieces. Robyn Hawk --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From renatesommer at bigbutton.com.au Thu Jun 28 03:15:38 2007 From: renatesommer at bigbutton.com.au (Renate Sommer) Date: Thu Jun 28 03:15:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thankyou! Message-ID: <005e01c7b96d$488c8150$a739ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> Thanks to everyone who replied to my mystery stone question. I had never heard of ammolite before and have now spent about an hour looking at it on the web. Special thanks to Tim Fisher for the links. It seems it could be worth anything between $10 (Ebay) and $700 (some other site I've forgotton). It is apparently very rare (rarer than diamonds, which I know are not really rare at all, it being an artificially raised price) according to some accounts and yet there is buckets of it for sale on the net. Interesting indeed. Cheers, Renate www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Thu Jun 28 04:28:32 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Thu Jun 28 04:28:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... References: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c7b977$76cf6aa0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> State or city? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Hawk" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... > I have just received a request for information from a gentleman with a > large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking for a > non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not familiar > with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might know of a > school, museum or group that could use and treasure these pieces. > > Robyn Hawk > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gene at fossilnut.com Thu Jun 28 04:34:05 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Thu Jun 28 04:34:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thankyou! References: <005e01c7b96d$488c8150$a739ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> Message-ID: <002c01c7b978$3ce98720$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Like everything else in the gem world, there is a huge variation in the price of ammolite, as you have discovered. The basis for this variation includes factors such as quality, size, source and of course the seller as you might imagine. . Since it is a manufactured triplet there is also the potential for variations in durability, based on who made the triplet and what materials were used. Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renate Sommer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:15 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Thankyou! Thanks to everyone who replied to my mystery stone question. I had never heard of ammolite before and have now spent about an hour looking at it on the web. Special thanks to Tim Fisher for the links. It seems it could be worth anything between $10 (Ebay) and $700 (some other site I've forgotton). It is apparently very rare (rarer than diamonds, which I know are not really rare at all, it being an artificially raised price) according to some accounts and yet there is buckets of it for sale on the net. Interesting indeed. Cheers, Renate www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Thu Jun 28 04:55:12 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (Michael Schmidt) Date: Thu Jun 28 04:57:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thankyou! References: <005e01c7b96d$488c8150$a739ddcb@acerjs0fgsvsyc> <002c01c7b978$3ce98720$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <006d01c7b97b$2f2972f0$c51f9444@michael01> Gene the stone in question is not a manufactured triplet. It is what is known as a "natural". Ammolite is manufactured in 1-3 ways: 1. naturals: solid stones with colour on top, and natural mudstone on the backside 2. Doublets: thin "flake" material with a natural mudstone backing capped with usually quartz or glass, or seldomly synthetic spinel 3. Triplets: a very thin layer of flake colour sandwiched between a natural mudstone backing and a cap of glass, quartz or synthetic spinel The material shown in the photo is essentially B to C grade material, and can sell for as little as (wholesale) $1.00 p/ct. Or, if you were to buy it at the expensive tourist shop I was at last month, the price would be about $250 for the stone.... Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Thankyou! > Like everything else in the gem world, there is a huge variation in the > price of ammolite, as you have discovered. The basis for this variation > includes factors such as quality, size, source and of course the seller as > you might imagine. . > > Since it is a manufactured triplet there is also the potential for > variations in durability, based on who made the triplet and what materials > were used. > > Gene Hartstein > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Renate Sommer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:15 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Thankyou! > > > Thanks to everyone who replied to my mystery stone question. > > I had never heard of ammolite before and have now spent about an hour > looking at it on the web. Special thanks to Tim Fisher for the links. It > seems it could be worth anything between $10 (Ebay) and $700 (some other > site I've forgotton). It is apparently very rare (rarer than diamonds, > which I know are not really rare at all, it being an artificially raised > price) according to some accounts and yet there is buckets of it for sale > on the net. > > Interesting indeed. > > Cheers, Renate > > www.renatesommerjewellery.com.au > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Thu Jun 28 06:08:17 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 28 06:08:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c7b985$6acbab70$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Uhhh . . . may I raise our hand as one possibility? Our museum is an hour's drive from NYC, and many of our visitors come from that area. If you'd like information about our museum, please contact me off-list and I'll provide it in whatever level of detail you like. We have extensive displays of minerals on-site and hold workshops on mineralogy and mineral resource use for science teachers. Thanks! - Earl Verbeek ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Thu Jun 28 06:12:09 2007 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Thu Jun 28 06:12:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <876695C0-3051-4AB4-B759-517727BC234D@heidelberg.edu> The New York State Museum in Albany is one possibility, particularly if the material is from New York localities. Pete Richards On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:57 AM, Robyn Hawk wrote: > I have just received a request for information from a gentleman > with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking > for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not > familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might > know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these > pieces. > > Robyn Hawk > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Thu Jun 28 06:21:48 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Thu Jun 28 06:22:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <876695C0-3051-4AB4-B759-517727BC234D@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: <001401c7b987$4b69fff0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> I'll second that. It's an excellent museum, and some on their staff are doing serious research on New York minerals. Definitely my first choice for specimens from New York localities. If it's a worldwide collection, though (as I'd originally assumed) I'll still lightly throw our hat in the ring... and there is always the American Museum of Natural History, right there in NYC, with one of the Eastern U.S.'s finest displays of minerals on public view. Cheers- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of R. Peter Richards Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:12 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... The New York State Museum in Albany is one possibility, particularly if the material is from New York localities. Pete Richards On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:57 AM, Robyn Hawk wrote: > I have just received a request for information from a gentleman > with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking > for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not > familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might > know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these > pieces. > > Robyn Hawk > ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 28 06:24:16 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu Jun 28 06:24:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... References: <000901c7b985$6acbab70$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <000601c7b987$a08bd2b0$fffad24c@LarryRush> There is a small mineral museum in Kent, CT which was started single-handedly by a retired Earth Science teacher. It exists almost entirely by donations, and is becoming the best museum in the state for New England minerals. It may never surpass the Peabody or the Wesleyan, or the Boston museum, but for visiting school kids, it can compete for the best learning environment for mining and minerals anywhere! Please give it consideration, and let me know if I can forward the name of the administrator. (This plea can also apply to anyone out there who wants to make a lasting donation of any representative New England mineral specimen or mining artifact) Thanks....Larry Rush ==================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl R. Verbeek" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:08 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... Uhhh . . . may I raise our hand as one possibility? Our museum is an hour's drive from NYC, and many of our visitors come from that area. If you'd like information about our museum, please contact me off-list and I'll provide it in whatever level of detail you like. We have extensive displays of minerals on-site and hold workshops on mineralogy and mineral resource use for science teachers. Thanks! - Earl Verbeek ----------------------------------- Earl R. Verbeek, Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum 30 Plant St., Ogdensburg, NJ 07439 973-209-7212 shmm@ptd.net --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jaszczak at mtu.edu Thu Jun 28 06:35:23 2007 From: jaszczak at mtu.edu (John Jaszczak) Date: Thu Jun 28 06:35:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <001401c7b987$4b69fff0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <001401c7b987$4b69fff0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <4683B91B.3000700@mtu.edu> I would also recommend the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy, which is a non-profit seeking to promote both research and education in mineralogy. http://hudsonmineralogy.org/ John Jaszczak Earl R. Verbeek wrote: >I'll second that. It's an excellent museum, and some on their staff are >doing serious research on New York minerals. Definitely my first choice for >specimens from New York localities. If it's a worldwide collection, though >(as I'd originally assumed) I'll still lightly throw our hat in the ring... >and there is always the American Museum of Natural History, right there in >NYC, with one of the Eastern U.S.'s finest displays of minerals on public >view. > > > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >[mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of R. Peter Richards >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:12 AM >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... > > > >The New York State Museum in Albany is one possibility, particularly > >if the material is from New York localities. > > > >Pete Richards > > > > > >On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:57 AM, Robyn Hawk wrote: > > > > > >> I have just received a request for information from a gentleman >> >> > > > >>with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking >> >> > > > >>for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not >> >> > > > >>familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might >> >> > > > >>know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these >> >> > > > >>pieces. >> >> > > > > > > >> Robyn Hawk >> >> > > > > >___________________________________ > >R. Peter Richards > >rpr@heidelberg.edu > >Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > > > From Alpen at aol.com Thu Jun 28 06:44:21 2007 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 28 06:44:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? Message-ID: Bob, Thanks for the tip on Ace Hardware. Which location did you find it in? They probably carry it in other locations, but if the one you know about is close enough, I'll go there first. I did try one of the liquid cleaners from Home Depot and it seemed to do pretty well, but I don't have experience with SIO to make a comparison. Thanks, Eric Bindner In a message dated 6/26/2007 7:02:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:59:49 -0600 From: "Bob Loeffler" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by Zep (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals in it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry it anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will continue to carry it. Regards, Bob ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Thu Jun 28 09:52:48 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Thu Jun 28 09:52:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sapphire Mining in Madagascar Message-ID: <7aac8040706280952r2d1d5294s8aeb1a8e3af0b5e3@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to a short BBC video/picture montage of sapphire mining in Madagascar. It's more about the humanity of the mining in one of the world's poorest countries than the mining... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Jun 28 12:13:52 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Jun 28 12:13:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? References: Message-ID: <002301c7b9b8$77f3b5d0$c4fbf604@TheBlackAdder> FYI....Wal-Mart has SIO in their plumbing section near the drain cleaners and shower heads. It's also the least expensive at $9.88 for a 5 lb. container of the powder. Erich Kern ----- Original Message ----- From: Alpen@aol.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? Bob, Thanks for the tip on Ace Hardware. Which location did you find it in? They probably carry it in other locations, but if the one you know about is close enough, I'll go there first. I did try one of the liquid cleaners from Home Depot and it seemed to do pretty well, but I don't have experience with SIO to make a comparison. Thanks, Eric Bindner In a message dated 6/26/2007 7:02:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:59:49 -0600 From: "Bob Loeffler" Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron out - to clean specimens??? To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Message-ID: <200706261600.l5QG00Ev025808@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, Home Depot doesn't seem to carry it anymore. I checked two different Home Depot's in the Denver area. They have a different rust remover, made by Zep (I think that's how it's spelled), but it doesn't have the same chemicals in it as Super Iron Out (SIO). They have several chemical cleaners under the Zep brand name. I have not tried it but it is a liquid and not a dry powder. A few years ago, I found SIO at either Safeway or King Soopers (a Colorado supermarket like Safeway, Albertsons, etc), but they don't carry it anymore. I have not tried Lowe's yet. I did find Super Iron Out (SIO) at Ace Hardware, so hopefully they will continue to carry it. Regards, Bob ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Thu Jun 28 15:35:43 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 28 15:35:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wood's Chrome Mine Message-ID: I bought a piece of Wood's Chrome Mine, Pa., chromite and wanted to get my label correct. Mindat indicated that it was located near Texas,Little Britain Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.Tried to pull up the town on Mapquest and Google maps, and the best I could get was New Texas in Fulton County.Texas, Pa does come up but it is near Honesdale , not near the border of Pa, and Md. Put in a message to Mindat and several people assured me that Texas was correct and that Mapquest was incorrect. I then "Googled" Texas and Pennsylvania and the only mineral connections that I got were from mindat and webmaster. Please clarify where Texas Pa. in Lancaster Co. is. smkell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Thu Jun 28 16:37:56 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Thu Jun 28 16:37:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wood's Chrome Mine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46844654.9080005@ptd.net> SMKELL45@aol.com wrote: >I bought a piece of Wood's Chrome Mine, Pa., chromite and wanted to get my >label correct. Mindat indicated that it was located near Texas,Little Britain >Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.Tried to pull up the town on >Mapquest and Google maps, and the best I could get was New Texas in Fulton >County.Texas, Pa does come up but it is near Honesdale , not near the border of Pa, >and Md. Put in a message to Mindat and several people assured me that Texas >was correct and that Mapquest was incorrect. I then "Googled" Texas and >Pennsylvania and the only mineral connections that I got were from mindat and >webmaster. Please clarify where Texas Pa. in Lancaster Co. is. smkell > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > Well... as a resident of Lancaster county PA. I can assure you your label is correct. It is in Little Britain Township. Texas is a village or un-incorporated town without post office right along the border with Maryland. If you insist on a putting it on a map it is about 2 miles north on state route 222. I found it using mapquest and place name "little britain Twonship " and state Pa. It will pull up the little britain township bldg in Quarryville Pa. continue south on state route 272 till connects with state route 222 and follow south to "new texas" .... now you know From albalmer at att.net Thu Jun 28 16:47:15 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Jun 28 16:47:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wood's Chrome Mine In-Reply-To: <46844654.9080005@ptd.net> References: <46844654.9080005@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8rh883l1d4f4o2hit4qcglj3njm0mass98@4ax.com> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:37:56 -0400, Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: >SMKELL45@aol.com wrote: > >>I bought a piece of Wood's Chrome Mine, Pa., chromite and wanted to get my >>label correct. Mindat indicated that it was located near Texas,Little Britain >>Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.Tried to pull up the town on >>Mapquest and Google maps, and the best I could get was New Texas in Fulton >>County.Texas, Pa does come up but it is near Honesdale , not near the border of Pa, >>and Md. Put in a message to Mindat and several people assured me that Texas >>was correct and that Mapquest was incorrect. I then "Googled" Texas and >>Pennsylvania and the only mineral connections that I got were from mindat and >>webmaster. Please clarify where Texas Pa. in Lancaster Co. is. smkell >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >> >> >Well... >as a resident of Lancaster county PA. I can assure you your label is >correct. It is in Little Britain Township. Texas is a village or >un-incorporated town without post office right along the border with >Maryland. If you insist on a putting it on a map it is about 2 miles >north on state route 222. I found it using mapquest and place name >"little britain Twonship " and state Pa. It will pull up the little >britain township bldg in Quarryville Pa. continue south on state route >272 till connects with state route 222 and follow south to "new texas" >.... now you know >From Delorme Street Atlas: Name: New Texas City/Town: Peach Bottom State/Admin: PA (Pennsylvania) Country: US (United States) ZIP/Postal Code: 17563 US County: Lancaster County Category: Locale Coordinate: N39? 44.956', W76? 9.830' Source: Global Index I think it lists Peach Bottom because that's where the post office is? Delorme also lists another New Texas: Name: New Texas City/Town: Pittsburgh State/Admin: PA (Pennsylvania) Country: US (United States) ZIP/Postal Code: 15239 US County: Allegheny County Category: Urban Subdivision (Population Center) Coordinate: N40? 29.805', W79? 45.170' Source: Global Index -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From SMKELL45 at aol.com Thu Jun 28 17:00:19 2007 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Thu Jun 28 17:00:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wood's Chrome Mine Message-ID: Thank you for your interest. I had found New Texas, as I had indicated in my original message but mindat indicates that Texas and not New Texas is the correct label for the mine. Again where is Texas Pa in relation to the mine? smkell ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Thu Jun 28 17:35:28 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Thu Jun 28 17:35:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... References: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01c7b9e5$64fc1580$5779a118@feldsparflash> Hi Robyn, Your request for help presents again the problem all collectors eventually have, "where will my treasures go?" Many times there isn't a family member interested. I am for our non-profit schools, museums or groups to benefit by the acquisition of a fine collection. But if it is a large collection only a very small part of it will likely be placed on view for public education. In fact many times the institution will need to put part of the collection up for sale for fund raising. Case in point is, the recent comments on "Rockhounds" about the specimens in the Florence Pilkington Manchester Memorial Collection that have been dispersed. Most of us are aware of the minerals being sold off at the Philadelphia Museum of Natural History. This eventuality must be considered. On the bright side, specimens that are sold from a collection allow other collectors to acquire fine minerals and continue the custodial thread. Another possibility, some collectors decide to sell all or part of their collections through a reputable mineral dealer. There are many excellent museums and organizations for your client to consider. The New York State Museum is always searching for New York State minerals. Michael Hawkins is the collections curator for the Museum. The Sterling Hill Mine Museum and Franklin Museum are good possibilities as mentioned by Earl Verbeek. There is the Tilly Foster Museum in Brewster, The Akins Library and Natural History Museum in Pawling, both in New York and very small. The Vassar College Geology Museum in Poughkeepsie, NY is small but could handle some specimens. Lois Horst is the curator. Jack Pawloski of the Kent Mineral & Mining Museum is the contact for that museum. The Hudson Institute of Mineralogy provides educational materials to schools. Since the collection is very large perhaps it might be logical to disperse it to several institutions. That would suggest a list of all the specimens that would be made available to these organizations to assist in their selections. They could make a bid by indicating how the specimen(s) would enhance their organization's collection. Hope this helps a bit! Carolyn Reynard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Hawk" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... > I have just received a request for information from a gentleman with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these pieces. > > Robyn Hawk > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From albalmer at att.net Thu Jun 28 17:38:28 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Jun 28 17:38:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wood's Chrome Mine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8lj883tg4s83gb12tk6ec46le2jbr5fbrd@4ax.com> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:00:19 EDT, SMKELL45@aol.com wrote: >Thank you for your interest. I had found New Texas, as I had indicated in my >original message but mindat indicates that Texas and not New Texas is the >correct label for the mine. Again where is Texas Pa in relation to the mine? >smkell It's still listed as near New Texas on the map (Delorme Topo 4), but here are the coordinates from Mindat: > * N39? 43.900' W76? 6.400' Find MapTag MapTag N39? 43.900' W76? 6.400' Mixed Forest Woodland 19362 (Nottingham, PA) ZIP Code Lancaster County (PA71) US County Pennsylvania US State United States (US) Country Mouse Click Position Latitude: N39? 43.903' Longitude: W76? 6.398' It's 3.3 miles SE of New Texas, as the crow flies. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Jun 28 18:19:57 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Jun 28 18:19:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] shuttle / ISS follow up Message-ID: <009101c7b9eb$9b227bd0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> As a follow-up to the shuttle / ISS discussion, here is the link to a photo taken by a ground-based telescope: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0706/atlantisISS_dantowitz.jpg Pretty cool! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jun 28 20:33:19 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 28 20:33:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! Message-ID: Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming.? Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu Jun 28 20:58:47 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu Jun 28 20:58:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <926066.57418.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, they have been doing this show since last summer, that is when I started to watch it. They have done sun stones to meteorites. Most Gem mines take the girl (can't remember her name) but, they take her to where the good stuff really is, and she comes away with quite a $$$$$$ amount. For some of us, it is a way to find new places to hound, or re-visit places we would like to go back to. T.J --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Earth is coming.? Learn more about the hottest > summer event - only on MSN. > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu Jun 28 21:02:13 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu Jun 28 21:02:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] shuttle / ISS follow up In-Reply-To: <009101c7b9eb$9b227bd0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <267855.68140.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Alan, that was a great shot! Thanks for that T.J --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > As a follow-up to the shuttle / ISS discussion, here > is the link to a photo taken by a ground-based > telescope: > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0706/atlantisISS_dantowitz.jpg > > Pretty cool! > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Jun 28 21:18:48 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 28 21:18:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! Message-ID: Earl Verbeek and his flourescents were part of this episode. This was my first time to catch the rockhounding segment. They're finding fish fossils in Montana on the show as I type. Cool show. Glenn > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:58:47 -0700> From: territoones1@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!!> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Yes, they have been doing this show since last summer,> that is when I started to watch it.> They have done sun stones to meteorites. Most Gem> mines take the girl (can't remember her name) but,> they take her to where the good stuff really is, and> she comes away with quite a $$$$$$ amount.> For some of us, it is a way to find new places to> hound, or re-visit places we would like to go back to.> T.J> --- Glenn Wimpee wrote:> > > > > Glenn > >> _________________________________________________________________> > Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest> > summer event - only on MSN.> >> http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> > multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> > text/html> > ---> > --> > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > Policy:> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming.? Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Jun 28 23:21:09 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Jun 28 23:21:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! References: Message-ID: <006101c7ba15$bbf629e0$6502a8c0@CMC3101861A> Oh, brother..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on > MSN. > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 190 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From robynahawk at yahoo.com Thu Jun 28 23:31:39 2007 From: robynahawk at yahoo.com (Robyn Hawk) Date: Thu Jun 28 23:31:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200706290101.l5T10xE8006754@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <487079.58479.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>>>>I have just received a request for information from a gentleman with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these pieces.<<<<< Thank you to everyone that responded to this notice...this the donor's description of this collection... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My wife, who is now deceased, and I have a large collection of "show quality" rocks and minerals, which were collected over a 40-year period. Most of the collection was purchased at Gem and Mineral shows over the years. My wife was actually the "rock hound" but I enjoyed the field trips and the rock shows and especially the beautiful specimens. She won several blue ribbons in the San Francisco rock and mineral shows. After her death, I carefully packed all the specimens and have them in storage in Rochester, NY. The number of "show quality" specimens is about 1500 with a total weight of 2,000 pounds. The weight of the specimens range from a few ounces to 250 pounds. We had the "show quality" specimens in several large jewelry type viewing cases in our home in Utah. In addition, I have approximately 50,000 pounds of "rough" specimens, which have been shipped several times from CA to OH then TN then KS then UT and finally NY. I now have the entire collection stored in Rochester, NY. I have been considering donating the collection to a nonprofit institution. I have had the "show quality" portion of the collection "roughly appraised" for the retail amount of $75,000. This does not include the 50,000 pounds of rough. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...and to answer some questions... 1. Gene - the collection is currently in Rochester, NY 2. Earl - I have sent you a request for more info about your museum 3. Pete - the New York State Museum was one of the first institutions that came to mind - however the material isn't from the New York area. 4. Larry - I can send you the same request or you could forward the Administrator's name to me. Before you submit this museum - this is an extensive and weighty collection (these aren't micro-mounts or thumbnails) and it is in New York. While the owner is looking to donate the collection I doubt he would be interested in paying to ship it. Would your institution be able to cover these fees? 5. John - the Hudson Institute of Minerology sounds like a wonderful group and I am adding their info to the packet I am submitting on Monday. 6. and to Carolyn - thank you for confirming my suspicion that the collection may be too large for any one placement. I will add the information for the institutions you suggested. I have never posted on this group but I have enjoyed your information and photos (I am a gemology student and the microscopic photos of gems are amazing - loved the Sunstone) but have never had much to add. Thanks you so much for your expertise and your willingness to share. Robyn Hawk --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Jun 29 04:36:16 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Jun 29 04:36:23 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <004d01c7b9e5$64fc1580$5779a118@feldsparflash> References: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004d01c7b9e5$64fc1580$5779a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <4684EEB0.8000304@ptd.net> Carolyn Reynard wrote: >Hi Robyn, > >Your request for help presents again the problem all collectors eventually >have, "where will my treasures go?" Many times there isn't a family member >interested. I am for our non-profit schools, museums or groups to benefit >by the acquisition of a fine collection. But if it is a large collection >only a very small part of it will likely be placed on view for public >education. In fact many times the institution will need to put part of the >collection up for sale for fund raising. Case in point is, the recent >comments on "Rockhounds" about the specimens in the Florence Pilkington >Manchester Memorial Collection that have been dispersed. Most of us are >aware of the minerals being sold off at the Philadelphia Museum of Natural >History. This eventuality must be considered. > > >Carolyn Reynard > > > > > >>-- >> >> > Just to bring everyone up to date.... as a resident of Pa near Philly... this article was buried in the local newspaper and is fact.... "Philly minerals will stay" " Philadelphia's Academy of Natural Sciences has abandoned a controversial plan to sell a historic mineral collection. Academy president William Y. Brown signed an affidavit Friday saying the institution "is prepared to keep and properly care for the collection.... We have no higher priority than their stewardship" The proposed sale of the William S. Vaux collection generated months of debate among local advocates and in the national mineralogical community when it was announced last year. Some felt it would be close to sacrilege to sell the 7,300 piece collection, which probably would have led to its being broken up. It was amassed in the 1800's when Philadelphia was considered a cradle of mineralogy. The academy had planned to use proceeds from the collection to digitze and modernize its library. But court approval was needed for the sale because Vaux, a Victorian gentleman and academy officer, had specified in his bequest to the institution that the minerals remain on view there. " It would appear that the court has ruled that "forever" is at least just a little bit longer....... On a personal note... or rather personal comment.. it is a shame that a financial figure has to figure so prominantly in this wonderful hobby... the right thing to do will become obvious... if not, it may not be the right thing to do. From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Jun 29 06:29:07 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Jun 29 06:29:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Academy of Natural Sciences Vaux collection In-Reply-To: <4684EEB0.8000304@ptd.net> Message-ID: <000001c7ba51$7b06a9a0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Hi Dennis, In reference to the information you just provided, that "Philadelphia's Academy of Natural Sciences has abandoned a controversial plan to sell a historic mineral collection", some of the statements of President and CEO Dr. William Y. Brown are puzzling. I gather from your post that the court has already ruled against the Academy's attempt to sell the 7,300 specimen Vaux collection, and that Brown's quoted statement that the Academy "is prepared to keep and properly care for the collection.... We have no higher priority than their stewardship" was made AFTER that ruling. No higher priority . . . well, I don't think they've had a change of heart on that subject. In prior (June 15) testimony, Brown stated before the Court of Common Pleas that IF the proposed sale of the 7,300 piece Vaux collection was not approved by the court, the Academy would be prepared to keep the collection. In short, the Academy was prepared to retain the Vaux specimens only if their sale were ruled illegal by the court, not because the Academy recognizes "no higher priority than their stewardship." Is this the hypocrisy it seems to be? I hope not -- perhaps I just misread something. Thanks- Earl From brenick at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 10:22:02 2007 From: brenick at gmail.com (Nick & Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Fri Jun 29 10:22:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97175ae90706291022p21da0346y3b1b11d736d4d64b@mail.gmail.com> I enjoyed putting a face to the name! Brenda On 6/29/07, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Earl Verbeek and his flourescents were part of this episode. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Jun 29 10:31:48 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Jun 29 10:31:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! In-Reply-To: <97175ae90706291022p21da0346y3b1b11d736d4d64b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c7ba73$62482890$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> I enjoyed putting a face to the name! Brenda Quite a soggy face, though -- it was hot and HUMID that day, and we were all wilting. Worse, we couldn't drink beer or we'd flub our lines. Incidentally, I'm sure you all know how "contrived" some of these shows are. For us, filming took place over parts of three days, yet we had to make it look like one long, continuous visit as Becky visited different parts of the mine. That meant that we had to wear the same clothes three days in a row. Haven't worn that ugly orange shirt since! Cheers- Earl From buff1 at ptd.net Fri Jun 29 11:29:15 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Fri Jun 29 11:29:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Academy of Natural Sciences Vaux collection In-Reply-To: <000001c7ba51$7b06a9a0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <000001c7ba51$7b06a9a0$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <46854F7B.1020300@ptd.net> Earl R. Verbeek wrote: >Hi Dennis, > >In reference to the information you just provided, that "Philadelphia's >Academy of Natural Sciences has abandoned a controversial plan to sell a >historic mineral collection", some of the statements of President and CEO >Dr. William Y. Brown are puzzling. I gather from your post that the court >has already ruled against the Academy's attempt to sell the 7,300 specimen >Vaux collection, and that Brown's quoted statement that the Academy "is >prepared to keep and properly care for the collection.... We have no higher >priority than their stewardship" was made AFTER that ruling. No higher >priority . . . well, I don't think they've had a change of heart on that >subject. In prior (June 15) testimony, Brown stated before the Court of >Common Pleas that IF the proposed sale of the 7,300 piece Vaux collection >was not approved by the court, the Academy would be prepared to keep the >collection. In short, the Academy was prepared to retain the Vaux specimens >only if their sale were ruled illegal by the court, not because the Academy >recognizes "no higher priority than their stewardship." Is this the >hypocrisy it seems to be? I hope not -- perhaps I just misread something. > > Thanks- Earl > > > > > > You will note.. I quoted exactly what the paper printed. I can only assume the affidavit was signed after the court ruling, and that the friday as referanced in the article refers to friday june 15. From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Jun 29 12:20:21 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Jun 29 12:20:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! In-Reply-To: <003101c7ba73$62482890$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <97175ae90706291022p21da0346y3b1b11d736d4d64b@mail.gmail.com> <003101c7ba73$62482890$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <000e01c7ba82$89a671d0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > Quite a soggy face, though -- it was hot and HUMID that day, > and we were all wilting. Worse, we couldn't drink beer or > we'd flub our lines. You can ALWAYS drink beer, Earl. Losing coherence and flubbing lines are natural side-effects that are well recognized and accepted by the Belgian population. Last June 10th we (better, our Walloon brothers) voted a politician into office who appeared on TV absolutely plastered with a speech that sounded as if he had a dozen botox injections in his tongue and an air compressor up his behind. There is no excuse for not drinking beer if you're thirsty. For your penitence, drink two Duvels and then say "Metatyuyamunite" ten times. Cheers Axel From ajs at frii.com Fri Jun 29 12:24:07 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Fri Jun 29 12:24:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... In-Reply-To: <004d01c7b9e5$64fc1580$5779a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <20070629192407.A47AC1CC08@io.frii.com> > Your request for help presents again the problem all collectors > eventually have, "where will my treasures go?" This stimulates thoughts on the philosophy of rock collecting, perhaps even on the spirituality of it. It reminds me once again of the awkward but poignant aphorism by Edward Abbey, worth repeating: Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman time. An important part of life is coming to terms with its finiteness, if not its brevity. I believe it's healthy to accept with serenity that there are limits in time and space to one's personal power. And as a person with a high "sense of wonder," I must also accept that most other people don't share that dimension either, here and now. "What's the big deal? It's just a rock." (But some do, and they are fun to share with.) For that reason, I'm happy to give away most rocks after I find, process (clean, maybe polish), and enjoy them. I hope to live forever, but when my time is up, I hope to have a little "affairs-in-order" span during which I can give away the rest of them, my present "keepers". I am only a curator and fondler; while I can improve some rocks, or destroy any of them, how can I really own them? I have NO illusions about anyone else wanting or sustaining my collection as an entity after I'm gone! If you want a hobby where the components probably won't outlive you and your span of control, try collecting ripe fruit instead. :-) Cheers, Alan Silverstein From Bobslgn at aol.com Fri Jun 29 14:21:17 2007 From: Bobslgn at aol.com (Bobslgn@aol.com) Date: Fri Jun 29 14:21:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV Message-ID: Dear list Members, I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield mine area in Nevada. While there I herd some disturbing news. I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is planned near the site and will likely end collecting access to the Gemfield area. Does anyone know about this? Is this true? If yes any idea when this will happen? Thanks, Bob ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Fri Jun 29 16:55:56 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Fri Jun 29 16:55:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... References: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004d01c7b9e5$64fc1580$5779a118@feldsparflash> <4684EEB0.8000304@ptd.net> Message-ID: <004e01c7baa9$094d78e0$5779a118@feldsparflash> Dennis, I am so pleased to hear that the pressure from dedicated mineral lovers worked to save the Vaux Collection for the Philadelphia Academy of Natural Sciences. Sometimes honesty, sincerity and good sense win out! I am looking forward to a visit to the Academy. Carolyn Reynard Poughkeepsie, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Buffenmyer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... > Carolyn Reynard wrote: > > >Hi Robyn, > > > >Your request for help presents again the problem all collectors eventually > >have, "where will my treasures go?" Many times there isn't a family member > >interested. I am for our non-profit schools, museums or groups to benefit > >by the acquisition of a fine collection. But if it is a large collection > >only a very small part of it will likely be placed on view for public > >education. In fact many times the institution will need to put part of the > >collection up for sale for fund raising. Case in point is, the recent > >comments on "Rockhounds" about the specimens in the Florence Pilkington > >Manchester Memorial Collection that have been dispersed. Most of us are > >aware of the minerals being sold off at the Philadelphia Museum of Natural > >History. This eventuality must be considered. > > > > > >Carolyn Reynard > > > > > > > > > > > >>-- > >> > >> > > > Just to bring everyone up to date.... as a resident of Pa near Philly... > this article was buried in the local newspaper and is fact.... > "Philly minerals will stay" > " Philadelphia's Academy of Natural Sciences has abandoned a > controversial plan to sell a historic mineral collection. Academy > president William Y. Brown signed an affidavit Friday saying the > institution "is prepared to keep and properly care for the > collection.... We have no higher priority than their stewardship" The > proposed sale of the William S. Vaux collection generated months of > debate among local advocates and in the national mineralogical community > when it was announced last year. Some felt it would be close to > sacrilege to sell the 7,300 piece collection, which probably would have > led to its being broken up. It was amassed in the 1800's when > Philadelphia was considered a cradle of mineralogy. The academy had > planned to use proceeds from the collection to digitze and modernize its > library. But court approval was needed for the sale because Vaux, a > Victorian gentleman and academy officer, had specified in his bequest to > the institution that the minerals remain on view there. " > It would appear that the court has ruled that "forever" is at least just > a little bit longer....... > > On a personal note... or rather personal comment.. it is a shame that a > financial figure has to figure so prominantly in this wonderful hobby... > the right thing to do will become obvious... if not, it may not be the > right thing to do. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 29 17:34:25 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 29 17:34:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 28 References: <487079.58479.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4685A505.5AC4@Tomaszewski.net> Robyn, May I suggest that a proportional share of the rough (about 33 lbs) go with each of the show specimens. The receiving institution(s) would be able to sell the rough to visitors in their gift shops to offset the cost of setting the show minerals up for display. The rough would end up in the hands of interested students and rockhounds who came to see the exhibit(s). I would also suggest you contact some of the rock and mineral dealers located in NY state and solicit their suggestions for possible institutions that could give the show collection a good home. (Let me or the List know if you need names and contact addresses). BTW, would the geology department at a college or university qualify as a possible recipient? I also want to thank you and your friend for making this opportunity available. Kreigh Robyn Hawk wrote: > > >>>>>I have just received a request for information from a gentleman with a large Gem & Mineral collection in the NY area. He is looking for a non-profit organization to donate the collection to. I am not familiar with NY and thought that maybe someone on this list might know of a school, museum or group that could use and treasure these pieces.<<<<< > > > Thank you to everyone that responded to this notice...this the donor's description of this collection... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > My wife, who is now deceased, and I have a large collection of "show quality" rocks and minerals, which were collected over a 40-year period. Most of the collection was purchased at Gem and Mineral shows over the years. My wife was actually the "rock hound" but I enjoyed the field trips and the rock shows and especially the beautiful specimens. She won several blue ribbons in the San Francisco rock and mineral shows. After her death, I carefully packed all the specimens and have them in storag > > The number of "show quality" specimens is about 1500 with a total weight of 2,000 pounds. The weight of the specimens range from a few ounces to 250 pounds. We had the "show quality" specimens in several large jewelry type viewing cases in our home in Utah. In addition, I have approximately 50,000 pounds of "rough" specimens, which have been shipped several times from CA to OH then TN then KS then UT and finally NY. I now have the entire collection stored in Rochester, NY. > > I have been considering donating the collection to a nonprofit institution. I have had the "show quality" portion of the collection "roughly appraised" for the retail amount of $75,000. This does not include the 50,000 pounds of rough. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ...and to answer some questions... > > 1. Gene - the collection is currently in Rochester, NY > > 2. Earl - I have sent you a request for more info about your museum > > 3. Pete - the New York State Museum was one of the first institutions that came to mind - however the material isn't from the New York area. > > 4. Larry - I can send you the same request or you could forward the Administrator's name to me. Before you submit this museum - this is an extensive and weighty collection (these aren't micro-mounts or thumbnails) and it is in New York. While the owner is looking to donate the collection I doubt he would be interested in paying to ship it. Would your institution be able to cover these fees? > > 5. John - the Hudson Institute of Minerology sounds like a wonderful group and I am adding their info to the packet I am submitting on Monday. > > 6. and to Carolyn - thank you for confirming my suspicion that the collection may be too large for any one placement. I will add the information for the institutions you suggested. > > I have never posted on this group but I have enjoyed your information and photos (I am a gemology student and the microscopic photos of gems are amazing - loved the Sunstone) but have never had much to add. Thanks you so much for your expertise and your willingness to share. > > Robyn Hawk > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Fri Jun 29 17:38:07 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Fri Jun 29 17:37:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... References: <20070629192407.A47AC1CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <00d801c7baae$ee2a1680$5779a118@feldsparflash> Alan, Good thoughts from Edward Abbey, thank you. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Silverstein" To: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Maybe Someone Here Can Help... > > Your request for help presents again the problem all collectors > > eventually have, "where will my treasures go?" > > This stimulates thoughts on the philosophy of rock collecting, perhaps > even on the spirituality of it. It reminds me once again of the awkward > but poignant aphorism by Edward Abbey, worth repeating: > > Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman time. > > An important part of life is coming to terms with its finiteness, if not > its brevity. I believe it's healthy to accept with serenity that there > are limits in time and space to one's personal power. And as a person > with a high "sense of wonder," I must also accept that most other people > don't share that dimension either, here and now. "What's the big deal? > It's just a rock." (But some do, and they are fun to share with.) > > For that reason, I'm happy to give away most rocks after I find, process > (clean, maybe polish), and enjoy them. I hope to live forever, but when > my time is up, I hope to have a little "affairs-in-order" span during > which I can give away the rest of them, my present "keepers". I am only > a curator and fondler; while I can improve some rocks, or destroy any of > them, how can I really own them? > > I have NO illusions about anyone else wanting or sustaining my > collection as an entity after I'm gone! > > If you want a hobby where the components probably won't outlive you and > your span of control, try collecting ripe fruit instead. :-) > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Jun 29 18:38:13 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Jun 29 18:38:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral References: Message-ID: <4685B400.15F8@Tomaszewski.net> Bryan, It looks like just Levyne-Ca, but it is the wrong color. Makes me wonder if there is an unknown -Fe variety. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > foil since then, forgotten. > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > for scratch tests. > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > thick. > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > it could be? > > BK > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 19:26:45 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Jun 29 19:27:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: > Dear list Members, > I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield mine area in Nevada. > While there I herd some disturbing news. > I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is planned near the site > and will likely end collecting access to the Gemfield area. > Are you talking about the place near Goldfield, in Esmarelda Co.? I know there is talk of building a nuclear waste area at Yucca Mtn outaside Las Vegas. However, I don't think they would need a new highway in the Goldfield/Tonapah area for that. That's a long way from the proposed waste site. Grant From roughrock at gmail.com Fri Jun 29 19:43:02 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Fri Jun 29 19:43:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] giving away rocks. Message-ID: On 6/29/07, Alan Silverstein wrote: > > For that reason, I'm happy to give away most rocks after I find, process > (clean, maybe polish), and enjoy them. I hope to live forever, but when > my time is up, I hope to have a little "affairs-in-order" span during > which I can give away the rest of them, my present "keepers". I am only > a curator and fondler; while I can improve some rocks, or destroy any of > them, how can I really own them? > And you get good karma for making the gift. Grant From MurowchickJ at umkc.edu Fri Jun 29 20:36:07 2007 From: MurowchickJ at umkc.edu (Murowchick, James) Date: Fri Jun 29 20:36:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral References: <4685B400.15F8@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AF5@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> I hope Bryan won't mind me sharing this, but the mystery mineral is melanterite (FeSO4?7H2O). I got a positive ID by Xray diffraction just a couple of days ago. It was very soft, and the powder behaved as though it was damp--not surprising given the amount of water in the structure. Even though melanterite is not really a rare mineral, I was surprised by the size of the crystals--some were about 8mm long. From community experience, is that pretty good size for melanterite, or have I just not seen enough of it not to be impressed? Jim Murowchick -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com on behalf of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 8:38 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral Bryan, It looks like just Levyne-Ca, but it is the wrong color. Makes me wonder if there is an unknown -Fe variety. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > foil since then, forgotten. > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > for scratch tests. > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > thick. > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > it could be? > > BK > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) application/ms-tnef --- From totis99 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 29 20:54:34 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Fri Jun 29 20:54:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070630035434.61504.qmail@web36714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, I don't have the answer; however, hubby worked in the industry for many years and unfortunately was at Three Mile Island at the meltdown. Because of this, he tries to stay informed about things like this. He suggested the following link. On the search page, I would suggest starting your search for information by typing Nevada, travel route........and go from there. http://www.nirs.org/search/index.htm The next link refers to Yucca Mountain which is the proposed repository. . . aiming 2008. Apparently, the guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on the instability of the subterranian strata creating a significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding full steam ahead. http://www.doe.gov/environment/5152.htm If you or anyone else would like to carry a discussion on this further; it might not be appropriate for the list and I know he wouldn't mind speaking his opinion on it (LOL!) so, feel free to email him independently off the list if you would like. Teresa Otis and hubby David Bear bearonweb@yahoo.com --- Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: > Dear list Members, > I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield > mine area in Nevada. > While there I herd some disturbing news. > I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is > planned near the site > and will likely end collecting access to the > Gemfield area. > > Does anyone know about this? Is this true? If yes > any idea when this will > happen? > > Thanks, > Bob > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Jun 29 21:03:09 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Jun 29 21:01:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AF5@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> References: <4685B400.15F8@Tomaszewski.net> <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AF5@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> Message-ID: <4685D5FD.3090105@verizon.net> Murowchick, James wrote: > I hope Bryan won't mind me sharing this, but the mystery mineral is melanterite (FeSO4?7H2O). I got a positive ID by Xray diffraction just a couple of days ago. It was very soft, and the powder behaved as though it was damp--not surprising given the amount of water in the structure. Even though melanterite is not really a rare mineral, I was surprised by the size of the crystals--some were about 8mm long. From community experience, is that pretty good size for melanterite, or have I just not seen enough of it not to be impressed? > Jim Murowchick Hi, The only melanterite I've ever seen was white fuzz on pyrite. It is very unstable and water soluble. Don From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Jun 29 21:23:52 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Jun 29 21:23:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Changing Topic (was) Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <4685A505.5AC4@Tomaszewski.net> References: <487079.58479.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4685A505.5AC4@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46850AB400027DBE@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Robyn, Kreigh, and List, Reminder to please change the title in the Subject line to fit your topic. This problem is most often encountered by people on the Digest plan. If the original person forgets (in this case, Robyn) the next person to reply (in this case, Kreigh) should make the change. Just to show that we all are human and make mistakes, this time Kreigh didn't change the title, and he's an Admin Team member! ;) Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team member) From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Jun 30 05:00:19 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 30 05:00:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral In-Reply-To: <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AF5@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> References: <4685B400.15F8@Tomaszewski.net> <13141419437BDF4DAB94F7A351DA00FB3F6AF5@KC-MSX3.kc.umkc.edu> Message-ID: I want to thank Jim for doing this analysis. BK On 6/29/07, Murowchick, James wrote: > I hope Bryan won't mind me sharing this, but the mystery mineral is melanterite (FeSO4?7H2O). I got a positive ID by Xray diffraction just a couple of days ago. It was very soft, and the powder behaved as though it was damp--not surprising given the amount of water in the structure. Even though melanterite is not really a rare mineral, I was surprised by the size of the crystals--some were about 8mm long. From community experience, is that pretty good size for melanterite, or have I just not seen enough of it not to be impressed? > Jim Murowchick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com on behalf of Kreigh Tomaszewski > Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 8:38 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mystery mineral > > Bryan, > > It looks like just Levyne-Ca, but it is the wrong color. Makes me wonder > if there is an unknown -Fe variety. > > Kreigh > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > I was digging thru a box of stuff that seems to be from a trip 4 or 5 > > years ago down to the area near Chiricahua National Monument, I think > > near Portal AZ or maybe just across the border in New Mexico. We were > > wandering around and whacking rocks with a rock hammer and one split > > open and this stuff was inside. It's been wrapped in TP and aluminum > > foil since then, forgotten. > > > > I was running our Ion Chromatograph today and just on a whim ran some > > of this and it came back almost 95% iron on a method sensitive to > > Iron, Copper, Nickel, Zinc, Cobalt and Manganese. There were traces of > > Cu, Ni and either Co or Mn. That's not to say the material is 95% Fe > > just that what was detected on that method was mostly iron. > > The stuff is soft, not acid reactive and maybe sulfur containing. My > > guess sulfate. The green in the photos is too intense, it is paler > > green than shown and mostly translucent. It is in plates, and seems to > > have a conchoidal fracture. The plates meet at what looks like complex > > 60 degree angles. I searched mindat for all the Iron sulfates but > > didn't see anything that seemed to match. It kind of small and fragile > > for scratch tests. > > > > The piece in the photo is about 10cm X 4cm by about 1.5 cm thick. The > > crystals are about a cm long and half that high, maybe 3 or 4 mm > > thick. > > > > I also see some spiky brown balls on the photo too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos aren't great I should have got the tripod out. Any ideas what > > it could be? > > > > BK > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/mixed > text/plain (text body -- kept) > application/ms-tnef > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Jun 30 14:55:45 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Jun 30 14:55:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV References: <20070630035434.61504.qmail@web36714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c7bb61$697e5fa0$2784633f@marilyn> I just got back from a long drive in NV. The rumors stated, waste haulage and closure of roads, is not correct. There would not be road closure if and when Yucca opens and the when is a long time off if ever. I work at the WIPP Site the operating site and spoke with people at yucca while iin Nevada last week no projected opening date and stopped by the oversite office in goldfield talk to them if you want nongovt info on Yucca I Know they are not pro Yucca. People should wory about BLM road closure that is a for sure and happening NOW! Steve T Keep on rockin. PS I dug Opal sunstone and Turquoise and Was very Lucky. more in a later post. ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa otis" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV > Bob, > > I don't have the answer; however, hubby worked in the > industry for many years and unfortunately was at Three > Mile Island at the meltdown. Because of this, he > tries to stay informed about things like this. He > suggested the following link. On the search page, I > would suggest starting your search for information by > typing Nevada, travel route........and go from there. > > http://www.nirs.org/search/index.htm > > The next link refers to Yucca Mountain which is the > proposed repository. . . aiming 2008. Apparently, the > guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on > the instability of the subterranian strata creating a > significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that > feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear > to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding > full steam ahead. > > http://www.doe.gov/environment/5152.htm > > If you or anyone else would like to carry a discussion > on this further; it might not be appropriate for the > list and I know he wouldn't mind speaking his opinion > on it (LOL!) so, feel free to email him independently > off the list if you would like. > > Teresa Otis > and hubby David Bear bearonweb@yahoo.com > > > > > --- Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: > >> Dear list Members, >> I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield >> mine area in Nevada. >> While there I herd some disturbing news. >> I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is >> planned near the site >> and will likely end collecting access to the >> Gemfield area. >> >> Does anyone know about this? Is this true? If yes >> any idea when this will >> happen? >> >> Thanks, >> Bob >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's >> free at http://www.aol.com. >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Jun 30 15:05:22 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Jun 30 15:05:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! References: Message-ID: <006a01c7bb62$c16c0720$2784633f@marilyn> The Trqavel Cahnnel just taped a segment on the Ottsons and the Royston mine It comes out in September. Steve T Keep on rockin you may live longer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! Earl Verbeek and his flourescents were part of this episode. This was my first time to catch the rockhounding segment. They're finding fish fossils in Montana on the show as I type. Cool show. Glenn > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:58:47 -0700> From: territoones1@ameritech.net> > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!!> To: > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Yes, they have been doing this show since > last summer,> that is when I started to watch it.> They have done sun > stones to meteorites. Most Gem> mines take the girl (can't remember her > name) but,> they take her to where the good stuff really is, and> she > comes away with quite a $$$$$$ amount.> For some of us, it is a way to > find new places to> hound, or re-visit places we would like to go back > to.> T.J> --- Glenn Wimpee wrote:> > > > > Glenn > > >> _________________________________________________________________> > > Live Earth is coming. 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Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Jun 30 15:08:40 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Jun 30 15:08:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! References: Message-ID: <007301c7bb63$37517470$2784633f@marilyn> Just got back from the rainbow ridge WHOW Trip of a Lifetime I'll try to take picures but with Opal I usually can't do them Justice these are the best I've seen in 35 years cutting and Yes I found Black and Crystal. Pine cones and lotrs of black wood. Steve T Keep on Rockin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest summer event - only on MSN. http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kcbaran at arczip.com Sat Jun 30 16:58:08 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sat Jun 30 17:02:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV In-Reply-To: <002b01c7bb61$697e5fa0$2784633f@marilyn> References: <20070630035434.61504.qmail@web36714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002b01c7bb61$697e5fa0$2784633f@marilyn> Message-ID: <4686EE10.1040502@arczip.com> Where did you get the opal, sunstone and turquoise? Thanks! Chuck Baran Steve & Marilyn wrote: > I just got back from a long drive in NV. The rumors stated, waste > haulage and closure of roads, is not correct. There would not be road > closure if and when Yucca opens and the when is a long time off if > ever. I work at the WIPP Site the operating site and spoke with > people at yucca while iin Nevada last week no projected opening date > and stopped by the oversite office in goldfield talk to them if you > want nongovt info on Yucca I Know they are not pro Yucca. People > should wory about BLM road closure that is a for sure and happening > NOW! Steve T Keep on rockin. PS I dug Opal sunstone and Turquoise > and Was very Lucky. more in a later post. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa otis" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV > > >> Bob, >> >> I don't have the answer; however, hubby worked in the >> industry for many years and unfortunately was at Three >> Mile Island at the meltdown. Because of this, he >> tries to stay informed about things like this. He >> suggested the following link. On the search page, I >> would suggest starting your search for information by >> typing Nevada, travel route........and go from there. >> >> http://www.nirs.org/search/index.htm >> >> The next link refers to Yucca Mountain which is the >> proposed repository. . . aiming 2008. Apparently, the >> guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on >> the instability of the subterranian strata creating a >> significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that >> feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear >> to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding >> full steam ahead. >> >> http://www.doe.gov/environment/5152.htm >> >> If you or anyone else would like to carry a discussion >> on this further; it might not be appropriate for the >> list and I know he wouldn't mind speaking his opinion >> on it (LOL!) so, feel free to email him independently >> off the list if you would like. >> >> Teresa Otis >> and hubby David Bear bearonweb@yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> --- Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Dear list Members, >>> I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield >>> mine area in Nevada. >>> While there I herd some disturbing news. >>> I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is >>> planned near the site >>> and will likely end collecting access to the >>> Gemfield area. >>> >>> Does anyone know about this? Is this true? If yes >>> any idea when this will >>> happen? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** See what's >>> free at http://www.aol.com. >>> >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>> Policy: >>> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's >> updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. >> http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > From kcbaran at arczip.com Sat Jun 30 17:00:11 2007 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Sat Jun 30 17:04:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! In-Reply-To: <007301c7bb63$37517470$2784633f@marilyn> References: <007301c7bb63$37517470$2784633f@marilyn> Message-ID: <4686EE8B.1070607@arczip.com> Sorry for the possible stupid question, but where is Rainbow Ridge? Thanks Chuck Baran Steve & Marilyn wrote: > Just got back from the rainbow ridge WHOW Trip of a Lifetime I'll > try to take picures but with Opal I usually can't do them Justice > these are the best I've seen in 35 years cutting and Yes I found Black > and Crystal. Pine cones and lotrs of black wood. Steve T Keep on Rockin > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:33 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! > > > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Earth is coming. Learn more about the hottest summer event - only > on MSN. > http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthwlm > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- From acraven at mindspring.com Sat Jun 30 17:13:40 2007 From: acraven at mindspring.com (acraven) Date: Sat Jun 30 17:13:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! References: <007301c7bb63$37517470$2784633f@marilyn> <4686EE8B.1070607@arczip.com> Message-ID: <002f01c7bb74$ade00a50$0a0110ac@Desktop> Rainbow Ridge is one of the Virgin Valley mines in NW Nevada, near the Oregon line. It's west of Denio Junction. It takes me about 5 hours to get there from Reno (via Winnemucca), but I do tend to exceed the speed limit. Glad to hear that Steve had good luck, because I'm planning to dig there in early August. Ann Craven From: "Charles Baran" : > Sorry for the possible stupid question, but where is Rainbow Ridge? > Thanks > Chuck Baran >> Steve & Marilyn wrote: >> Just got back from the rainbow ridge WHOW Trip of a Lifetime I'll try >> to take picures but with Opal I usually can't do them Justice these are >> the best I've seen in 35 years cutting and Yes I found Black and Crystal. >> Pine cones and lotrs of black wood. Steve T Keep on Rockin From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Sat Jun 30 18:28:29 2007 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Sat Jun 30 18:28:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Texas Message-ID: <967590.15382.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are thinking of becoming Winter Texans. The area of Texas that we are looking at now is the Rio Grand Valley. While we are there, we would like to investigate and tour the area around there and maybe as far as Big Bend. We are looking for feedback positive and negative about RV camping sites and the most important is collecting sites in this area. I have done some looking and have found that McAllen might have a club. It shows up on Bob's but not on the Federation site. The Chamber of Commerce was of no help. Are there any clubs in that area? Thank you for any help you can give us. June --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Jun 30 18:29:43 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Jun 30 18:29:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! References: <007301c7bb63$37517470$2784633f@marilyn><4686EE8B.1070607@arczip.com> <002f01c7bb74$ade00a50$0a0110ac@Desktop> Message-ID: <000d01c7bb7f$4f75cf30$2784633f@marilyn> Ann I dug at three mines one not open to the public I would advise digging at the Rainbow Ridge as I had the best luck there I bought a bucket on Sat and found several thousand dolars worth of crystal, judging by local bottle prices and two black opals value ?$$$. Then dug sunstone Sun. Don't bother unless you are going to spend some time and EFFORT Hint they have jackhammers for you to use. Then back to the opal mines one of the mines hired me to do a geologic survey of 5 unexplored claims and I did found some nice opal and was paid for my time with more very nice opal. What a deal. Then Monday I dug the tailing piles at rainbow and found 4 more blacks 2 spectacular. It was a dream come true for this opalholic. Been cutting opal for 35 years now. The crystral I found was THE briightest I have ever seen and I have been to Tucson over 15 if the last 20 years. This is a good year to dig it seems.It was an 11 hour drive from vegas. Me too on the speed limit thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "acraven" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Alert!!! travel Channel now Rockhounding!!! > Rainbow Ridge is one of the Virgin Valley mines in NW Nevada, near the > Oregon line. It's west of Denio Junction. It takes me about 5 hours to > get there from Reno (via Winnemucca), but I do tend to exceed the speed > limit. > > Glad to hear that Steve had good luck, because I'm planning to dig there > in early August. > > Ann Craven > > From: "Charles Baran" : >> Sorry for the possible stupid question, but where is Rainbow Ridge? >> Thanks >> Chuck Baran > >>> Steve & Marilyn wrote: >>> Just got back from the rainbow ridge WHOW Trip of a Lifetime I'll try >>> to take picures but with Opal I usually can't do them Justice these are >>> the best I've seen in 35 years cutting and Yes I found Black and >>> Crystal. Pine cones and lotrs of black wood. Steve T Keep on Rockin > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Jun 30 18:32:49 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Jun 30 18:32:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV References: <20070630035434.61504.qmail@web36714.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002b01c7bb61$697e5fa0$2784633f@marilyn> <4686EE10.1040502@arczip.com> Message-ID: <001401c7bb7f$bc2a06a0$2784633f@marilyn> Opal Virgin Valley NV by /West of Denio, Sunstone East of Plush OR. south west Oregon. Turquoise The Royston mine contact the Ottsons in Tonapah NV Very nice folk. Best of luck Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Baran" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV > Where did you get the opal, sunstone and turquoise? Thanks! > > Chuck Baran > > Steve & Marilyn wrote: > >> I just got back from a long drive in NV. The rumors stated, waste >> haulage and closure of roads, is not correct. There would not be road >> closure if and when Yucca opens and the when is a long time off if ever. >> I work at the WIPP Site the operating site and spoke with people at yucca >> while iin Nevada last week no projected opening date and stopped by the >> oversite office in goldfield talk to them if you want nongovt info on >> Yucca I Know they are not pro Yucca. People should wory about BLM road >> closure that is a for sure and happening NOW! Steve T Keep on rockin. >> PS I dug Opal sunstone and Turquoise and Was very Lucky. more in a later >> post. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa otis" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV >> >> >>> Bob, >>> >>> I don't have the answer; however, hubby worked in the >>> industry for many years and unfortunately was at Three >>> Mile Island at the meltdown. Because of this, he >>> tries to stay informed about things like this. He >>> suggested the following link. On the search page, I >>> would suggest starting your search for information by >>> typing Nevada, travel route........and go from there. >>> >>> http://www.nirs.org/search/index.htm >>> >>> The next link refers to Yucca Mountain which is the >>> proposed repository. . . aiming 2008. Apparently, the >>> guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on >>> the instability of the subterranian strata creating a >>> significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that >>> feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear >>> to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding >>> full steam ahead. >>> >>> http://www.doe.gov/environment/5152.htm >>> >>> If you or anyone else would like to carry a discussion >>> on this further; it might not be appropriate for the >>> list and I know he wouldn't mind speaking his opinion >>> on it (LOL!) so, feel free to email him independently >>> off the list if you would like. >>> >>> Teresa Otis >>> and hubby David Bear bearonweb@yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Dear list Members, >>>> I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield >>>> mine area in Nevada. >>>> While there I herd some disturbing news. >>>> I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is >>>> planned near the site >>>> and will likely end collecting access to the >>>> Gemfield area. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know about this? Is this true? If yes >>>> any idea when this will >>>> happen? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** See what's >>>> free at http://www.aol.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>> multipart/alternative >>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>> text/html >>>> --- >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>> Subscription Services: >>>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>>> Policy: >>>> >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's >>> updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. >>> http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From turnea55 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 30 18:40:02 2007 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Sat Jun 30 18:40:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV In-Reply-To: <002b01c7bb61$697e5fa0$2784633f@marilyn> Message-ID: Without getting too political on the subject, I felt that I needed to clarify a little. Please be aware that I am in no way trying to criticize anyone but rather add what I believe to be relavent information on the subject in order for people to get both sides. "Apparently, the >>guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on >>the instability of the subterranian strata creating a >>significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that >>feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear >>to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding >>full steam ahead" I would assume that you are not referring to tens of thousands of papers written about Yucca Mountain by geologists, physicists, biologists, chemists, materials research scientists, as well as structural, mechanical, mettallurgical, ceramic, and civil engineers (etc., etc.) that show that the repository location and conceptual model is signficantly safer and exponentially better than how spent nuclear fuel is currently stored (i.e. outside with very little safeguards and almost no barriers protecting it from entering the subsurface or groundwater). Yucca Mountain is currently the most researched non-ore related geologic site in the world. While there are some issues (an oxidizing environement being one of them), no one is dismissing science nor are they going full steam ahead (Yucca Mountain was supposed to open approximately 5 years ago). "creating a significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that >>feeds Las Vegas." I have written three publications (including my Master's thesis) on potential spent fuel radionuclide transport in the subsurface and groundwater at Yucca Mountain while getting funded by the Office of Civilian Radioactive Waste Management (part of the DOE), Argonne National Laboratory (where I did an internship), and the Missouri School of Mines. Water that drains from Yucca Mountain eventually makes it to Badwater Basin in Death Valley. There are no perennial streams, major bodies of water, or wetlands within any of the withdrawal area. No one (especially Vegas) obtains water from this area due to remoteness and extreme alkalinity. The repository would be placed over 800 ft above the water table (and 1,000 ft underground). This area receives between 4 and 10 inches of rain per year, with an evaporation potential of 66 inches. Even during the wettest years, total infiltration of water into the repository area is expected to be about 4.7mm per year. Meteoric water would not expect to reach the repository for tens of thousands of years at this rate. After reaching the repository, water would need to come in contact with spent fuel (difficult considering the Alloy-22 outer waste package, stainless steel inner shell, and three alloy and steel lids), carry the dissolved radionuclides (many of which are not readily soluble) some 800 ft to the water table, then get carried at a very very slow rate to Death Valley for someone to even be potentially exposed to it (although drinking that water would kill you much quicker than the spent fuel radionuclides). "Three Mile Island at the meltdown" I won't argue the merits of whether Three Mile Island is considered a meltdown, but that really has nothing to do with the storage of spent nuclear fuel that has already been produced at nuclear reactors and government facilities in the country. It has already been produced and needs to be stored and maintained even if nuclear technology is completely ended in this country. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA M.S.: Turner, AS, Synthesis of Uranium Phosphate Phases and Potetial Retardation Effects on Spent Fuel Radionuclides, University of Missouri-Rolla, 2003. Turner, AS and Wronkiewicz, DJ, Synthesis of uranium phosphate phases and potential retardation effects on spent fuel radionuclides. Geological Society of America Abstracts, 2002. Turner, AS and Wronkiewicz, DJ, Synthesis of uranium phosphate phases and potential retardation effects on spent fuel radionuclides. Scientific Basis for Nuclear Waste Management XXVI, V. 757, 2003. >From: "Steve & Marilyn" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:55:45 -0700 > >I just got back from a long drive in NV. The rumors stated, waste haulage >and closure of roads, is not correct. There would not be road closure if >and when Yucca opens and the when is a long time off if ever. I work at >the WIPP Site the operating site and spoke with people at yucca while iin >Nevada last week no projected opening date and stopped by the oversite >office in goldfield talk to them if you want nongovt info on Yucca I Know >they are not pro Yucca. People should wory about BLM road closure that is >a for sure and happening NOW! Steve T Keep on rockin. PS I dug Opal >sunstone and Turquoise and Was very Lucky. more in a later post. >----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa otis" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:54 PM >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Gemfield Mine, NV > > >>Bob, >> >>I don't have the answer; however, hubby worked in the >>industry for many years and unfortunately was at Three >>Mile Island at the meltdown. Because of this, he >>tries to stay informed about things like this. He >>suggested the following link. On the search page, I >>would suggest starting your search for information by >>typing Nevada, travel route........and go from there. >> >>http://www.nirs.org/search/index.htm >> >>The next link refers to Yucca Mountain which is the >>proposed repository. . . aiming 2008. Apparently, the >>guvmint decided to ignore the scientific reports on >>the instability of the subterranian strata creating a >>significant risk of leakage into the groundwater that >>feeds Las Vegas. According to this link, they appear >>to have been dismissed or ignored and are proceeding >>full steam ahead. >> >>http://www.doe.gov/environment/5152.htm >> >>If you or anyone else would like to carry a discussion >>on this further; it might not be appropriate for the >>list and I know he wouldn't mind speaking his opinion >>on it (LOL!) so, feel free to email him independently >>off the list if you would like. >> >>Teresa Otis >>and hubby David Bear bearonweb@yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >>--- Bobslgn@aol.com wrote: >> >>>Dear list Members, >>>I just returned from a brief trip to the Gemfield >>>mine area in Nevada. >>>While there I herd some disturbing news. >>>I was told that a road to transport nuclear waste is >>>planned near the site >>>and will likely end collecting access to the >>>Gemfield area. >>> >>>Does anyone know about this? Is this true? If yes >>>any idea when this will >>>happen? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Bob >>> >>> >>> >>>************************************** See what's >>>free at http://www.aol.com. >>> >>> >>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>>--- >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>>Policy: >>> >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated >>for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. >>http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat Jun 30 19:08:31 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sat Jun 30 19:08:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 References: Message-ID: <00c301c7bb84$ba463930$2784633f@marilyn> I am th one who made the offer and i offered him $1,000. he sent a reply with the note declining the offer that said We both Know this is worth far more than the offered price I am not him but from looking at the picture i do not agree that it is worth far more may just be a mudball with a little varisite I kind of felt like a fool to offer that much but put a caviot on the price that the ball must contain at least 80% Varisite when cut. all the best Steve P.S I don't think it sold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk McCullough" To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 > He got an offer not a bid, so it was probably less than what he was > asking. > > --Bill McCullough > > >>From: "Grant Johnston" >>Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 >>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:05:05 -0700 >> >>I clicked on the ebay link. The auction is over and there was 1 bid. >>Did he get $80,000? Will he report it to the IRS? >> >>Grant >> >>On 6/4/07, jlkelly1066@iglide.net wrote: >>>Just got an email about a guy selling an 18 lb chunk of Clay Canyon >>>Varisite on eBay. Ready for this? The guy wants $80,000 yeah, that's >>>eighty thousand! Man! I have walked over enough to retire for life. You >>>know what scares me? Someone will actually think it is worth that much. >>> >>>Here's the link for all of you independently wealthy collectors out >>>there: >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/Variscite-Nodule-18-3-4-Lbs-Clay-Canyon-Fairfield-Utah_W0QQitemZ300117642989QQihZ020QQcategoryZ4841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> >>>My, my, the things we find in this world. >>> >>>Kelly >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Jun 30 19:26:43 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Jun 30 19:26:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Academy minerals References: <565901.61918.qm@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004d01c7b9e5$64fc1580$5779a118@feldsparflash> <4684EEB0.8000304@ptd.net> Message-ID: <005701c7bb87$44303ea0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I forwarded your note to a friend of mine for his comments. He helped me curate the Troost collection for a few years. Troost was one of the founders of the Academy. Ron said, "If they needed money to digitize their library, why didn't they sponsor some legitimate fund raisers? It's like selling the house to make a house payment. Glad to see they changed their minds. " Alan > Just to bring everyone up to date.... as a resident of Pa near Philly... > this article was buried in the local newspaper and is fact.... > "Philly minerals will stay" > " Philadelphia's Academy of Natural Sciences has abandoned a controversial > plan to sell a historic mineral collection. Academy president William Y. > Brown signed an affidavit Friday saying the institution "is prepared to > keep and properly care for the collection.... We have no higher priority > than their stewardship" The proposed sale of the William S. Vaux > collection generated months of debate among local advocates and in the > national mineralogical community when it was announced last year. Some > felt it would be close to sacrilege to sell the 7,300 piece collection, > which probably would have led to its being broken up. It was amassed in > the 1800's when Philadelphia was considered a cradle of mineralogy. The > academy had planned to use proceeds from the collection to digitze and > modernize its library. But court approval was needed for the sale because > Vaux, a Victorian gentleman and academy officer, had specified in his > bequest to the institution that the minerals remain on view there. " > It would appear that the court has ruled that "forever" is at least just a > little bit longer....... > > On a personal note... or rather personal comment.. it is a shame that a > financial figure has to figure so prominantly in this wonderful hobby... > the right thing to do will become obvious... if not, it may not be the > right thing to do. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Jun 30 19:49:15 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Jun 30 19:45:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Changing Topic (was) Rockhounds Digest, Vol 37, Issue 28 References: <487079.58479.qm@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4685A505.5AC4@Tomaszewski.net> <46850AB400027DBE@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <4687154D.3E24@Tomaszewski.net> Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > Robyn, Kreigh, and List, > > Reminder to please change the title in the Subject line to fit your > topic. This problem is most often encountered by people on the > Digest plan. If the original person forgets (in this case, Robyn) > the next person to reply (in this case, Kreigh) should make the change. > > Just to show that we all are human and make mistakes, this time > Kreigh didn't change the title, and he's an Admin Team member! ;) I noticed it when my Reply came back from the List. Sorry, my bad. Kreigh From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 30 20:10:38 2007 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen) Date: Sat Jun 30 20:10:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Virgin Valley, NV collecting In-Reply-To: <200707010101.l6110uHQ027721@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200707010101.l6110uHQ027721@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <200707010310.l613AtNa006480@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I'm sitting here at the millsite for the Bonanza Opal mine enjoying the evening after digging all day. (There is a satellite internet connection that we use.) We shareholders are not doing extremely well this week because we have run out of "wet bank" clay to dig right now. However, I was told by a member that several of the fee diggers found some very nice opal specimens in the tailings dig today. I haven't heard any first hand reports of digging at either the Rainbow Ridge or the Royal Peacock opal mines this season. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to hear more specifics about Steve and Maralyn Travis' trip through Nevada. I like to know if the opal was found by purchasing a $400 bucket of opal dirt or if it was found by searching the tailings. Glen ps: If I might make a gentle request that posters highlight and then delete the remainder of the previous message before posting back to the list. Following the threads is quite confusing here.