From folmstead at rcn.com Sat Sep 1 18:03:58 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sat Sep 1 18:04:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... In-Reply-To: <46D99237.90106@erols.com> References: <46D99237.90106@erols.com> Message-ID: <46DA0BFE.2040207@rcn.com> HELLO I received this email from a club member and I am passing it along to the list for help in answering the question. Thank you GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__..--..__ > Hello.... > > I received this message from Cynthia XXXX > > Please forward to 'all' - > > We are TOTAL beginners... have purchased Muriatic Acid for cleaning > our new finds 'in the raw' and need basic guidance on how to use with > raw rocks. > Should we stir or ok to leave as is, apx. how long based on general > volume of rocks (just a few for first batch), etc. > > If you can, please call ...... > > Greatly appreciated! > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can help, please contact her. > > Cheerio, Wxxxxl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Sep 1 19:21:09 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Sep 1 19:21:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... References: <46D99237.90106@erols.com> <46DA0BFE.2040207@rcn.com> Message-ID: <46DA1E09.493E@Tomaszewski.net> Please start by reading the MSDS on Muriatic Acid so you can keep yourself safe. Then you can consider trying to clean a low value specimen with Muriatic Acid to see if it works on what you have collected. Frederick Olmstead wrote: > > HELLO > > I received this email from a club member and I am passing it along to > the list for help in answering the question. > > Thank you > > GeorgiaO > > __..--..__..--..__..--..__ > > > Hello.... > > > > I received this message from Cynthia XXXX > > > > Please forward to 'all' - > > > > We are TOTAL beginners... have purchased Muriatic Acid for cleaning > > our new finds 'in the raw' and need basic guidance on how to use with > > raw rocks. > > Should we stir or ok to leave as is, apx. how long based on general > > volume of rocks (just a few for first batch), etc. > > > > If you can, please call ...... > > > > Greatly appreciated! > > > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can help, please contact her. > > > > Cheerio, Wxxxxl > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Sep 1 19:40:00 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Sep 1 19:39:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... References: <46D99237.90106@erols.com> <46DA0BFE.2040207@rcn.com> Message-ID: <010601c7ed0a$8eda1020$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Wow! That sounds dangerous! TOTAL beginners and muriatic acid sounds like trouble. What are "raw rocks?" Are they rocks that haven't been cooked yet? I can provide tips for cleaning calcite-filled geodes, but I'll be darned if I'm going to provide advice without any knowledge of what is going on. People have been sued for less! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Olmstead" To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... > HELLO > > I received this email from a club member and I am passing it along to the > list for help in answering the question. > > Thank you > > GeorgiaO > > __..--..__..--..__..--..__ > > >> Hello.... >> >> I received this message from Cynthia XXXX >> >> Please forward to 'all' - >> We are TOTAL beginners... have purchased Muriatic Acid for cleaning our >> new finds 'in the raw' and need basic guidance on how to use with raw >> rocks. >> Should we stir or ok to leave as is, apx. how long based on general >> volume of rocks (just a few for first batch), etc. >> If you can, please call ...... >> Greatly appreciated! >> Cynthia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you can help, please contact her. >> >> Cheerio, Wxxxxl > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rhill24 at cox.net Sat Sep 1 22:10:22 2007 From: rhill24 at cox.net (Rik Hill" I don't know what your "finds" are but I have several comments. First, be very, very careful. That acid puts out nasty toxic fumes CO2. Make sure your ventilation is adequate (our outside is better) and don't get your face close to the work. It would be wise to dilute the acid. I almost never use Muriatic unless I have silicified fossils to remove. Mostly I use vinegar which is usually strong enough. I have used acids with a good deal of success but I stay with the work while it is soaking and for my fossils I usually scrub the work (with rubber gloves on) with a brass wire brush so the softer matrix material is removed preferentially. See my short write up at: http://webmail.west.cox.net/do/mail/message/compose -Rik From rhill24 at cox.net Sat Sep 1 22:15:21 2007 From: rhill24 at cox.net (Rik Hill" On second thought, Alan Goldstein is right. I would not use this acid unless I really had to and knew exactly what the reaction to the rock would be. With the right minerals you could get some ugly reactions. As I said, the only time I used Muriatic was when I was dissolving all the rock (limestone) to get at silicified fossils. Think I'll stick to vinegar for most of my work. -Rik From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 06:15:42 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Sep 2 06:15:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... In-Reply-To: <46DA0BFE.2040207@rcn.com> Message-ID: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Three main points to keep in mind: Dilute the muriatic at least 50:50 with water (adding acid to water, not vice versa) Do it outdoors, in a loosely covered plastic pan. Rinse thoroughly with the garden hose and let dry before touching the specimens. Jim Daly Frederick Olmstead wrote: HELLO I received this email from a club member and I am passing it along to the list for help in answering the question. Thank you GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__..--..__ > Hello.... > > I received this message from Cynthia XXXX > > Please forward to 'all' - > > We are TOTAL beginners... have purchased Muriatic Acid for cleaning > our new finds 'in the raw' and need basic guidance on how to use with > raw rocks. > Should we stir or ok to leave as is, apx. how long based on general > volume of rocks (just a few for first batch), etc. > > If you can, please call ...... > > Greatly appreciated! > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can help, please contact her. > > Cheerio, Wxxxxl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 06:19:27 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sun Sep 2 06:19:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... In-Reply-To: <32973523.1188709822688.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <242586.51953.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All acids will put out CO2 when reacting with limestone or other carbonates. CO2 isn't nasty or toxic- it makes up about 5% of our atmosphere. The fumes are HCl gas, and that IS nasty and toxic. Of course, it will irritate and drive you away before it's too dangerous. Trust your senses. Jim Daly "\"Rik Hill\" " wrote: I don't know what your "finds" are but I have several comments. First, be very, very careful. That acid puts out nasty toxic fumes CO2. Make sure your ventilation is adequate (our outside is better) and don't get your face close to the work. It would be wise to dilute the acid. I almost never use Muriatic unless I have silicified fossils to remove. Mostly I use vinegar which is usually strong enough. I have used acids with a good deal of success but I stay with the work while it is soaking and for my fossils I usually scrub the work (with rubber gloves on) with a brass wire brush so the softer matrix material is removed preferentially. See my short write up at: http://webmail.west.cox.net/do/mail/message/compose -Rik -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From timeman123 at optonline.net Sun Sep 2 06:35:22 2007 From: timeman123 at optonline.net (ROBERT A SANTEE) Date: Sun Sep 2 06:35:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] book Message-ID: <000601c7ed66$1d53b260$56ee5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Hi can anybody help me out I am look for a small hand book or field guide book on identifying fluorescent minerals I would like to be able to take the book in the field thanks. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 07:21:06 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Sep 2 07:21:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... In-Reply-To: <32973523.1188709822688.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> References: <32973523.1188709822688.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: Yes and no, CO2 is about 380 parts per million in the atmosphere, 5% would be 50000 ppm. And 5% would kill you for that matter. BK On 9/2/07, Rik Hill wrote: > > > I don't know what your "finds" are but I have several comments. First, be > very, very careful. That acid puts out nasty toxic fumes CO2. Make sure your > ventilation is adequate (our outside is better) and don't get your face > close to the work. It would be wise to dilute the acid. I almost never use > Muriatic unless I have silicified fossils to remove. Mostly I use vinegar > which is usually strong enough. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Sep 2 07:52:48 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Sep 2 07:52:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] book In-Reply-To: <000601c7ed66$1d53b260$56ee5143@ownerfbau59hmu> References: <000601c7ed66$1d53b260$56ee5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Message-ID: <000e01c7ed70$eda2d4a0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Robert, If you're an FMS member you can order the Henkel Glossary on line. Tables with minerals and their responses to UV. If you aren't yet, come see us at http://www.uvminerals.org/ As far as I know there are no good "photo books" that can serve as a field guide. There are some books with some photos and there are some books with LOTS of photos but fluorescence is a very unreliable phenomenon. It may differ greatly from place to place so you may need a 1000 photos just to describe the fluorescence of calcite worldwide alone. Axel Emmermann European Regional VP of the Fluorescent Mineral Society http://www.uvminerals.org/ My website:http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/home/ --"I hate racists! Especially colored ones, they are so prejudiced..."-- Axel Emmermann June 26 2007 --"Taste other people's thoughts and then chew on your own ideas for a while. You may find that your own ideas taste more natural, less bitter. -- Axel Emmermann June 24 2007 --"Forwarding hate-mail is the intellectual equivalent of running around with a bucketful of someone else's vomit. You nauseate people around you with something that isn't even yours to begin with." -- Axel Emmermann June 25 2007 > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens ROBERT A SANTEE > Verzonden: zondag 2 september 2007 14:35 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] book > > Hi can anybody help me out I am look for a small hand book or > field guide book on identifying fluorescent minerals I would > like to be able to take the book in the field thanks. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Sep 2 07:58:05 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Sep 2 07:58:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... References: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> I would first ask Cynthia what it is she wants to remove from her "raw rocks". If it's simply dirt, soak in a bucket of water overnight, then rinse under running water and scrub with an old toothbrush if the specimen is not delicate. If it's clay, add a cup of ammonia to the bucket of water; this helps loosen clay. Acid may not be necessary, and if her "raw rocks" are carbonates, HCL will damage them. A cup or two of HCL in a bucket of water is about as harmless as vinnegar. After all, HCL is used in swimming pools to balance the PH. I put my bare hands in 1:4 HCL solutions, then rinse in clean water ASAP. Remember, "the dose makes the poison". One safety precaution is to have a bucket of clean water nearby for rinsing hands, or washing your face in case of splashes. I know of no cases of death or illness from breathing CO2 except when a freakish natural event released a huge volume of the gas in a lake which was in a valley and all the animals died. CO2 is much heavier than air and the gas cloud clings to low elevations. You'd likely breathe more CO2 by inhaling over a freshly poured glass of seltzer water than from cleaning minerals. Yes, those bubbles in soda are CO2. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Daly To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... Three main points to keep in mind: Dilute the muriatic at least 50:50 with water (adding acid to water, not vice versa) Do it outdoors, in a loosely covered plastic pan. Rinse thoroughly with the garden hose and let dry before touching the specimens. Jim Daly Frederick Olmstead wrote: HELLO I received this email from a club member and I am passing it along to the list for help in answering the question. Thank you GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__..--..__ > Hello.... > > I received this message from Cynthia XXXX > > Please forward to 'all' - > > We are TOTAL beginners... have purchased Muriatic Acid for cleaning > our new finds 'in the raw' and need basic guidance on how to use with > raw rocks. > Should we stir or ok to leave as is, apx. how long based on general > volume of rocks (just a few for first batch), etc. > > If you can, please call ...... > > Greatly appreciated! > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can help, please contact her. > > Cheerio, Wxxxxl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 08:13:09 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Sep 2 08:13:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... In-Reply-To: <001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> References: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: I wasn't thinking of asphyxiation, if I understand this correctly the CO2 concentration in the air is the controlling feedback mechanism for the human respiration system. Elevated levels of CO2 interfere with the system, this is not a short term effect of course so brief exposures to higher CO2 levels are not a problem. BK I know of no cases of death or illness from breathing CO2 except when a > freakish natural event released a huge volume of the gas in a lake which was > in a valley and all the animals died. CO2 is much heavier than air and the > gas cloud clings to low elevations. You'd likely breathe more CO2 by > inhaling over a freshly poured glass of seltzer water than from cleaning > minerals. Yes, those bubbles in soda are CO2. > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From stu at arcrystalmine.com Sun Sep 2 08:25:23 2007 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Sun Sep 2 08:25:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorescent mineral References: Message-ID: <005901c7ed75$7b42cb40$6500a8c0@STU2> Does anyone know if crystal Varisite is a fluorescent mineral? With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 From tjokela at execulink.com Sun Sep 2 10:04:42 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:03:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning...!?????!!! References: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <002501c7ed83$5b44e950$6400a8c0@Junior> No need to debate this stuff, folks. The correct answer is that TOTAL BEGINNERS should not be using HYDROCHLORIC ACID. Direct them towards a tootbrush and soap, and suggest that many rocks found in the field will not turn from ugly to beautiful no matter what you do to them. Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... >I wasn't thinking of asphyxiation, if I understand this correctly the CO2 > concentration in the air is the controlling feedback mechanism for the > human > respiration system. Elevated levels of CO2 interfere with the system, this > is not a short term effect of course so brief exposures to higher CO2 > levels > are not a problem. > > BK > > I know of no cases of death or illness from breathing CO2 except when a >> freakish natural event released a huge volume of the gas in a lake which >> was >> in a valley and all the animals died. CO2 is much heavier than air and >> the >> gas cloud clings to low elevations. You'd likely breathe more CO2 by >> inhaling over a freshly poured glass of seltzer water than from cleaning >> minerals. Yes, those bubbles in soda are CO2. >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 2 10:26:51 2007 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:26:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning...!?????!!! In-Reply-To: <002501c7ed83$5b44e950$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <866040.91135.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just so we're complete here, HCl is used as a pre-treatment if you plan to remove rust stains using oxalic acid. The plan is to avoid forming calcium oxalate. Right? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Sun Sep 2 12:15:32 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Sun Sep 2 12:15:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] book References: <000601c7ed66$1d53b260$56ee5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Message-ID: <001501c7ed95$acd775a0$0401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> My experience with fluorescents is that they are specific enough to localities so that with a little bit of preparation, you'll know what you are likely to find before you visit a locality, and for sure you will know what does not fit the common slate of material for the site as well. This makes a field guide unnecessary (besides I have trouble reading in the dark). I use 2 books regularly, but both rely on a lot of text as well as pictures so they are not easy to use as field guides. They are 1) Ultraviolet Light and Fluorescent Minerals by Warren, Gleason, Bostwick and Verbeek 2) Fluorescence by Manuel Robbins If you are visiting a well known site, such as Franklin or Sterling Hill there is a lot of info on the internet. If you are visiting a site that is not described and you find good glow rocks, collect a lot of them and then find out what they are after the fact. Other collectors lke me will probably want some. :-) Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT A SANTEE" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] book > Hi can anybody help me out I am look for a small hand book or field guide > book on identifying fluorescent minerals I would like to be able to take > the book in the field thanks. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gene at fossilnut.com Sun Sep 2 12:29:46 2007 From: gene at fossilnut.com (gene@fossilnut.com) Date: Sun Sep 2 12:29:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... References: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <002001c7ed97$a0162940$0401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> CO2 is not poisonous in and of itself. The effect of CO2 is to make you breathe harder and too much can bring on respiratory distress in some folks. The huge releases of CO2 that killed folks , killed them by asphyxiation, not poisoning. The CO2 dropped the oxygen level below that which would support life. For that matter Nitrogen is worse because if you step into a pure nitrogen atmosphere, you will collapse without forewarning from your senses. There are many industrial fatalities each year from Nitrogen asphyxiation, unfortunately. As for acid, the skin provides some protection to dilute acids, though I would not make a habit of dipping my hands in even 10% HCl. It can be murder on cuts and under finger nails, and bubber gloves are so easy to use. Eyes are another matter entirely and I always wear safety glasses for handling and using acid (except for vinegar) and other chemicals for cleaning rocks. Again the first post on this subject warned to read and follow the MSDS. That is good advice for any chemical. Gene Hartstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Kern" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... I would first ask Cynthia what it is she wants to remove from her "raw rocks". If it's simply dirt, soak in a bucket of water overnight, then rinse under running water and scrub with an old toothbrush if the specimen is not delicate. If it's clay, add a cup of ammonia to the bucket of water; this helps loosen clay. Acid may not be necessary, and if her "raw rocks" are carbonates, HCL will damage them. A cup or two of HCL in a bucket of water is about as harmless as vinnegar. After all, HCL is used in swimming pools to balance the PH. I put my bare hands in 1:4 HCL solutions, then rinse in clean water ASAP. Remember, "the dose makes the poison". One safety precaution is to have a bucket of clean water nearby for rinsing hands, or washing your face in case of splashes. I know of no cases of death or illness from breathing CO2 except when a freakish natural event released a huge volume of the gas in a lake which was in a valley and all the animals died. CO2 is much heavier than air and the gas cloud clings to low elevations. You'd likely breathe more CO2 by inhaling over a freshly poured glass of seltzer water than from cleaning minerals. Yes, those bubbles in soda are CO2. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Daly To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning... Three main points to keep in mind: Dilute the muriatic at least 50:50 with water (adding acid to water, not vice versa) Do it outdoors, in a loosely covered plastic pan. Rinse thoroughly with the garden hose and let dry before touching the specimens. Jim Daly Frederick Olmstead wrote: HELLO I received this email from a club member and I am passing it along to the list for help in answering the question. Thank you GeorgiaO __..--..__..--..__..--..__ > Hello.... > > I received this message from Cynthia XXXX > > Please forward to 'all' - > > We are TOTAL beginners... have purchased Muriatic Acid for cleaning > our new finds 'in the raw' and need basic guidance on how to use with > raw rocks. > Should we stir or ok to leave as is, apx. how long based on general > volume of rocks (just a few for first batch), etc. > > If you can, please call ...... > > Greatly appreciated! > > Cynthia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can help, please contact her. > > Cheerio, Wxxxxl --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 13:46:12 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Sep 2 13:46:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning...!?????!!! In-Reply-To: <002501c7ed83$5b44e950$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> <002501c7ed83$5b44e950$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: OK this is wandering off subject, someone mistakenly wrote that atmospheric CO2 was 5% and I was just correcting that. But from the CO2 MSDS: "Carbon Dioxide is a powerful cerebral dilator. At concentrations between 2 and 10%, Carbon Dioxide can cause nausea, dizziness, headache, mental confusion, increased blood pressure and respiratory rate. Above 8% nausea and vomiting appear. Above 10%, suffocation and death can occur within minutes." Like everyone else I'm in the 'if you don't know what you are doing, stay away from strong mineral acids like HCl' camp. BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 2 19:45:51 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 2 19:45:45 2007 Subject: Cleaning beerstone {was: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning...!?????!!!} References: <866040.91135.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46DB754F.3A0B@Tomaszewski.net> If you end up with calcium oxalate, how do you clean it off? It is not very nice stuff. Calcium oxalate turns up as a byproduct of brewing beer, coats tanks, and opens the door for spoiled batches. The crystals shield undesirable organisms. The industry calls it beerstone, and takes measures to control it. As a rockhound you might know it as Whewellite. Calcium oxalate also appears in some poisonous plants, and is a major component of kidney stones. When ingested, even small dosages are very not nice to humans -- and moderate doses can kill you. It is why you don't eat rhubarb leaves. The beer industry uses periodic treatment with caustic (2-4% lye) hot (185F) water solution followed by warm (140F) phosphoric acid (1-2 oz/gallon) _OR_ a warm phosphoric/nitric acid solution (1-2 oz/gallon) followed by a warm noncaustic alkaline cleaner (1-2 oz/gallon). Both assume a final (usually high pressure) hot water rinse followed by tap water until drain ph is neutral to the tap water. The acid and alkaline compounds can neutralize each other, and be diluted, if a sufficient holding tank is in the drain; 15-30 minutes flow treatment per stage. Have any of you successfully cleaned calcium oxalate (off, probably, quartz)? What worked? Kreigh Flint Smith wrote: > > Just so we're complete here, HCl is used as a pre-treatment if you plan to remove rust stains using oxalic acid. The plan is to avoid forming calcium oxalate. > > Right? From rockcurrier at cs.com Mon Sep 3 03:30:33 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Mon Sep 3 03:30:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hydrochloric acid use References: <200709030102.l8311gpr001580@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <020701c7ee15$76034c40$6801a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Cynthia, Some of the information you have received from members of the chat group is not accurate and may not be very helpful in cleaning your raw rocks. The first step is using acids to clean minerals and rocks is to understand what it is you want to clean. What are the nature of the "raw rocks" you wish to clean? Are they quartz crystals? Did someone tell you that you needed hydrochloric acid to clean them? Some carbonates like calcite will react with hydrochloric acid and dissolve in the acid solution and generate bubbles of carbon dioxide during the process. Much of the time this acid is used in conjunction with quartz and quartz family minerals to remove brown iron stain (iron oxides and hydroxides). Is this what you are trying to achieve? You can often clean away iron stains with hydrochloric acid, but you usually need to use it in its concentrated form for most effective cleaning. There are also a couple of other methods to achieve this that involve less reactive chemicals, though one of them is poisoness if you ingest it. If you want to clean quartz or just rocks, the first thing to do is to clean them as well as you can by scrubbing it with soap and water. If you have a quantity of them, a quick trip to one of those your wash your own car places to use their high pressure water guns may be helpful. If you still want to use your acid to clean your rocks use rubber gloves when handling the acid and use some sort of eye protection to prevent it from possibly splashing in your eyes. Do your work outside in a well-ventilated area with a garden hose handy to wash up and dilute any spills. If you get some on you, don't panic, just pick up the garden hose and flush the area of contact several times to dilute the acid to a point where it is harmless. If you do spill some on you and don't notice it, likely the first think you will feel will be an itching sensation. This is usually the tip off that you have gotten some acid on you. Flush the area with water to get rid of the acid. If you still think acid may be present you can sprinkle a little bicarbonate of soda on the area. If acid is present it will bubble. I often just flush the area with water and taste it. If you taste something sour, acid is still present. A little taste of dilute hydrochloric acid will not hurt you at all. It is generated naturally in your stomach to help you digest food. Do your work in an area where children cannot reach it. Don't do it in your garage. Fumes from your hydrochloric acid will react with many things in your garage, especially if you leave it there a long time. A five gallon plastic bucket is a good container to use. Place your rocks in the bucket and just cover them with acid. Don't fill the bucket any more than about 60 to 70% full. The concentrated acid will give off a strong smell (hydrogen chloride) and you may find it better to place a lid of some sort on the top of the bucket. It will usually take a day or more to remove any rust stains from your rocks. It is a function of how deep seated the iron stains are, the strength of your acid, and the temperature of your acid solution. The warmer the solution, the faster the reaction will take place. Do not however heat the acid up on your stove. If you want to increase the reaction rate of the solution, place the bucket in the sun and wrap some black plastic around it. This will warm it up nicely. The reaction rate will approximately double for every ten degreed centigrade increase in temperature. Take a look at your rocks the next day to see how they are comming along. In most cases you will notice a noticeable decrease in the iron staining. The first part od the cleaning goes pretty quickly but you may have to leave it in the solution for several days to get most of it out. It is the last little bit that usually takes the longest. If the iron stain is really deep seated, for example located deep in cracks inthe rocks or enclosed completely in the crystal latis of the minerals, you man never be able to get it out. After you remove your rocks from the acid solution you should wash them well with plenty of water and then place them in a bucket of water and let them sit for a few hours or over night. You may need to repeat this procedure several time to make sure that all the acid has been removed from your specimen. If you are cleaning pure well formed quartz crystals they will not need much more than just a quick rinse, but if you are cleaning up some porous rocks, like microcline feldspar or granite, you may need to cycle them in and out of clean water a number of times to make sure you have removed as much acid as possible. After you have cleaned your rocks, you will need to close your bucket up tightly to save the acid for further use or you will need to dispose of the acid. If there is not very much acid you can probably get away with diluting it away with water. To effectively neutralize it you should react it with marble chips (calcite) till the chips stop bubbling. At this point you will be left with an innocuous solution of calcium chloride and marble chips. Yours truly, Rock From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Sep 3 06:53:03 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Sep 3 06:53:18 2007 Subject: Cleaning beerstone {was: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid forcleaning...!?????!!!} References: <866040.91135.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46DB754F.3A0B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001201c7ee31$c00acd10$f6941b4b@LarryRush> I have sometimes cleaned up the oxalates by preparing a fresh, clean solution of the oxalic acid, and re-soaking the specimen. The new solution must be fresh, and strong, and watched carefully, removing and neutralizing the specimen as soon as the oxalates are dissolved. I am not a chemist, and don't quite understand why this should work, but it has for me. Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Cleaning beerstone {was: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid forcleaning...!?????!!!} > If you end up with calcium oxalate, how do you clean it off? It is not > very nice stuff. > > Calcium oxalate turns up as a byproduct of brewing beer, coats tanks, > and opens the door for spoiled batches. The crystals shield undesirable > organisms. The industry calls it beerstone, and takes measures to > control it. > > As a rockhound you might know it as Whewellite. > > Calcium oxalate also appears in some poisonous plants, and is a major > component of kidney stones. When ingested, even small dosages are very > not nice to humans -- and moderate doses can kill you. It is why you > don't eat rhubarb leaves. > > The beer industry uses periodic treatment with caustic (2-4% lye) hot > (185F) water solution followed by warm (140F) phosphoric acid (1-2 > oz/gallon) _OR_ a warm phosphoric/nitric acid solution (1-2 oz/gallon) > followed by a warm noncaustic alkaline cleaner (1-2 oz/gallon). Both > assume a final (usually high pressure) hot water rinse followed by tap > water until drain ph is neutral to the tap water. The acid and alkaline > compounds can neutralize each other, and be diluted, if a sufficient > holding tank is in the drain; 15-30 minutes flow treatment per stage. > > Have any of you successfully cleaned calcium oxalate (off, probably, > quartz)? What worked? > > Kreigh > > > Flint Smith wrote: >> >> Just so we're complete here, HCl is used as a pre-treatment if you plan >> to remove rust stains using oxalic acid. The plan is to avoid forming >> calcium oxalate. >> >> Right? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From davisj at earthlink.net Mon Sep 3 08:08:43 2007 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Mon Sep 3 08:08:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re "Geode" Clamp/Vise In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070829144154.022003c8@nist.gov> Message-ID: There is a guy in Oregon who makes a geode clamp, I have seen at rock shows in Prineville, maybe Tim Fisher can remember his name etc....his card used the initials CRS as I recall I have one of his clamps and it works after you have cut the geode in half by catching the edges of the cut so you can now cut slabs From kugeln at peoplepc.com Mon Sep 3 10:07:41 2007 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Mon Sep 3 10:08:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re "Geode" Clamp/Vise References: Message-ID: <002701c7ee4c$f3003230$88b45545@JOHN> Thanks. However, I'm after something that will make it easier to make a first exact half cut. I don't slab, although I have a clamp that does what you describe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Davis" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Need Info Re "Geode" Clamp/Vise > There is a guy in Oregon who makes a geode clamp, I have seen at rock > shows > in Prineville, maybe Tim Fisher can remember his name etc....his card used > the initials CRS as I recall I have one of his clamps and it works after > you have cut the geode in half by catching the edges of the cut so you can > now cut slabs > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Mon Sep 3 15:33:48 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Mon Sep 3 15:33:54 2007 Subject: Cleaning beerstone {was: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid forcleaning...!?????!!!} References: <866040.91135.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46DB754F.3A0B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00d701c7ee7a$7f2461a0$039e5a40@marilyn> Kreigh I haven't succesfully cleaned /treated calcium oxalate but I have a good Idea Once a friend brought me some kndney stones and wanted them polished (lets not go there) any way I put them in a vibrating tumbler and they disapeared! I was very surprised later I found out that they have discovered a new way to treat K stones and that is ultrasonic waves break them up and make them easier to pass. Give you any Ideas? I'd try putting your specimens (a test first of course) in an ultrasonic cleaner with mild acid amonia? and see what happens. Good Luck Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Cleaning beerstone {was: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid forcleaning...!?????!!!} > If you end up with calcium oxalate, how do you clean it off? It is not > very nice stuff. > > Calcium oxalate turns up as a byproduct of brewing beer, coats tanks, > and opens the door for spoiled batches. The crystals shield undesirable > organisms. The industry calls it beerstone, and takes measures to > control it. > > As a rockhound you might know it as Whewellite. > > Calcium oxalate also appears in some poisonous plants, and is a major > component of kidney stones. When ingested, even small dosages are very > not nice to humans -- and moderate doses can kill you. It is why you > don't eat rhubarb leaves. > > The beer industry uses periodic treatment with caustic (2-4% lye) hot > (185F) water solution followed by warm (140F) phosphoric acid (1-2 > oz/gallon) _OR_ a warm phosphoric/nitric acid solution (1-2 oz/gallon) > followed by a warm noncaustic alkaline cleaner (1-2 oz/gallon). Both > assume a final (usually high pressure) hot water rinse followed by tap > water until drain ph is neutral to the tap water. The acid and alkaline > compounds can neutralize each other, and be diluted, if a sufficient > holding tank is in the drain; 15-30 minutes flow treatment per stage. > > Have any of you successfully cleaned calcium oxalate (off, probably, > quartz)? What worked? > > Kreigh > > > Flint Smith wrote: >> >> Just so we're complete here, HCl is used as a pre-treatment if you plan >> to remove rust stains using oxalic acid. The plan is to avoid forming >> calcium oxalate. >> >> Right? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rfadney at hotmail.com Mon Sep 3 22:09:00 2007 From: rfadney at hotmail.com (R. Adney Jr.) Date: Mon Sep 3 22:09:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stinking Water Plume Agate Message-ID: Does anyone out there know the gps coordinates for the digging area for stinking water agate?? I am told it can be found "near" the area where the creek and reservoir meet, but I would like to get a little closer description if anyone knows it. Thanks, Rich _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jlkelly1066 at iglide.net Wed Sep 5 08:50:45 2007 From: jlkelly1066 at iglide.net (jlkelly1066) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:50:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stinking water agate Message-ID: <46ded055.2ab.2094.9418@iglide.net> Rich, Right now I can probably give you three, possibly four different locations that fit youir request. Might you give a "bit" more information, like what state you are talking about. Wouild hate to send you to Utah or Wyoming when you want to go to Oregon or N.C. Kelly > Does anyone out there know the gps coordinates for the > digging area for stinking water agate?? I am told it can > be found "near" the area where the creek and reservoir > meet, but I would like to get a little closer description > if anyone knows it. > > Thanks, > > Rich Those who love deeply never grow old; they may die of old age, but they die young. - A.W. Pinero From thewalkers at fairpoint.net Tue Sep 4 22:38:26 2007 From: thewalkers at fairpoint.net (Bobby & Courtney Walker) Date: Wed Sep 5 09:55:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs Message-ID: I'm interested in the 4 naches thunderegg sites that were mentioned in one of the e-mails. Can someone help me out with those? Thanks, Bob From lukasminerals at iburst.co.za Wed Sep 5 11:43:30 2007 From: lukasminerals at iburst.co.za (Luka Berkovic) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:43:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Branbderg Quartz Ad Message-ID: <000001c7efec$a8e579c0$2005fea9@luka> Hi, Would anyone be interested in a superb Brandberg Scepter, its an exceptional specimen, size is 11.5 x 4 x 3.5cm, price is $2000, but I would be willing to negotiate a bit, please email me at lukasminerals@iburst.co.za for pictures!!! Luka --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From info at demineralia.com Wed Sep 5 12:15:51 2007 From: info at demineralia.com (info@demineralia.com) Date: Wed Sep 5 12:16:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Branbderg Quartz Ad In-Reply-To: <000001c7efec$a8e579c0$2005fea9@luka> References: <000001c7efec$a8e579c0$2005fea9@luka> Message-ID: <20070905191551.10817.qmail@webmaild.fe1.aruba.it> Luka Berkovic Scrive: hi lukas, can you pls send me pics of the qz?! thx! emanuele > Hi, > > Would anyone be interested in a superb Brandberg Scepter, its an exceptional > specimen, size is 11.5 x 4 x 3.5cm, price is $2000, but I would be willing > to negotiate a bit, please email me at lukasminerals@iburst.co.za for > pictures!!! > > > > Luka > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Wed Sep 5 13:08:53 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:09:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] ADMIN: rules for ADs In-Reply-To: <20070905191551.10817.qmail@webmaild.fe1.aruba.it> References: <000001c7efec$a8e579c0$2005fea9@luka> <20070905191551.10817.qmail@webmaild.fe1.aruba.it> Message-ID: <46DEA1B20001BDBC@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Hello List, Your Admin Team has decided to periodically post portions of the List Usage Policy which can be read in entirety at the URL that appears at the bottom of every List posting. Today we are presenting part of the rules regarding advertisements. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team Member) B. Advertisements: ADs are defined as announcements or notices related to commercial activity, including (but not limited to) websites, sales, auctions, dealers announcing they will be at a show, and for-fee trips or collecting locations. 1. Advertisements must be directly related to rockhounding, lapidary work, mineralogy, etc. 2. In order to allow subscribers who do not wish to see ads to ignore or delete them, please place [AD] in your subject line, as in: [AD] (your subject here) 3. Commercial postings should be limited to two per month. 4. Subscribers who post ads should also contribute regularly or participate in list discussions. In other words, people should not be members solely for the purpose of posting ads. 5. When announcing items for sale, include something like the following statement: “Inquiries should be made off-list,” or, “Please contact me off-list for more information.” 6. If you want to respond to an AD make sure you do so off-list, unless your comment is of interest to everyone. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From rfadney at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 19:16:36 2007 From: rfadney at hotmail.com (R. Adney Jr.) Date: Wed Sep 5 19:16:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stinking water agate In-Reply-To: <46ded055.2ab.2094.9418@iglide.net> References: <46ded055.2ab.2094.9418@iglide.net> Message-ID: Sorry about the ambiguity, Oregon is where I'm curious about. I drove by the roads into the Stinking Water area between Juntura and Burns Oregon over the weekend and was trying to pin point which road I need to take, how far etc.... I am thinking of planning a trip there early next summer to get some. If it's too big of a hassle find and obtain, I'll just go to Richardson Ranch and buy some more! You know I think thats one of the only areas I didn't get when I subscribed to Tim Fishers web site a year or so ago! DOHHH! Rich in Springfield > From: jlkelly1066@iglide.net > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 03:50:45 -1200 > Subject: [Rockhounds] Stinking water agate > > Rich, > > Right now I can probably give you three, possibly four > different locations that fit youir request. Might you give a > "bit" more information, like what state you are talking > about. Wouild hate to send you to Utah or Wyoming when you > want to go to Oregon or N.C. > > Kelly > > > > Does anyone out there know the gps coordinates for the > > digging area for stinking water agate?? I am told it can > > be found "near" the area where the creek and reservoir > > meet, but I would like to get a little closer description > > if anyone knows it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rich > > > Those who love deeply never grow old; they may die of old > age, but they die young. > - A.W. Pinero > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 5 22:00:23 2007 From: cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net (Cliff Jackson) Date: Wed Sep 5 22:00:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Antelope Lake, CA Rose Quartz Message-ID: <23176766.1189054823759.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Would anyone have the GPS for the Rose Quartz location south of Antelope Lake CA? Cliff Jackson Las Vegas From Shantisai at aol.com Wed Sep 5 19:44:09 2007 From: Shantisai at aol.com (Shantisai@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 6 11:00:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: Hi There I am looking for a bunch of monticellite for my store Do you have some specimans Thaks Claire Luft ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Sep 6 11:12:07 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Sep 6 11:13:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales References: Message-ID: <003c01c7f0b1$741c7c50$0200a8c0@Notebook> Note that Claire is not a list member so respond off-list. John Siebel Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales > Hi There I am looking for a bunch of monticellite for my store Do you have > some specimans Thaks Claire Luft From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu Sep 6 12:12:58 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:13:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic Message-ID: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Rockhounds: I would like to bring up a netiquette topic. Once upon a time when the list was still under the guidance of Tom Corson; we, the list that is, agreed on several issues of general netiquette politeness. One of these issues is to recognize that Rockhounds@drizzle.com is not just a nationwide forum, but truly global with members in many countries. When a locale is discussed (questions, answers or reports) it is necessary to remember that mineral locations even famous ones are not common knowledge. Insufficient place name information leaves the rest of us clueless, confused or misinformed. Clueless here translates into "feeling isolated and left out of the discussion" and misinformed means that a list member may waste their time to research and respond with information about a completely different location. So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location is common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, whatever... There seems to be, from my perspective, increasing use of local place or slang names. Admittedly, I am ignorant of most rock collecting locales, but I wonder if there are other rockhounds members who are troubled by a lack of sufficient locality information on the forum? On a personal note; I wonder why, someone who doesn't have time or interest to include decent locality information would expect any better quality of information back? Again, I think this is a netiquette topic. I offer it up for discussion. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Sep 6 12:25:37 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:25:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" wrote: >So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when >discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location is >common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, >country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, >whatever... I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 12:45:59 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:46:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <929647.34226.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This month's update to the pricelist of microminerals at www.sauktown.com will be posted this afternoon. Among the more interesting additions are Bazhenovite from Belgium; Gilalite from the Christmas Mine, Arizona; Carrboydite from the Carr Boyd Mine, Australia; Dundasite from Ireland; and Scholzite from Reaphook Hill, Australia. I've also added a few mounted specimens, including a very nice tuperssuatsiaite and villiaumite from the Aris Quarry, Namibia. I now have the rest of the Dryer collection, and will start to list some of that material next month. A special note for those who are getting this announcement through a list, rather than directly- Please reply "off-list", rather than to the list as a whole. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com orders@sauktown.com --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Sep 6 13:32:54 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:34:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook> Thanks Ted. You've addressed one of my pet peeves. John From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Sep 6 14:29:01 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Sep 6 14:30:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire, Santa, Idaho References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> For anyone who may be in the neighborhood this weekend, the Santa Barter Faire is happening Friday 9/7 through Sunday. Santa is about 20 miles SE of St. Maries, Idaho (about 60 miles SSE of Coeur D, Alene). Turn off Hwy 3 at Tyson Creek Rd. and follow the signs. I may be there with minerals, crystals, fossils and a bunch of yardsale-type items. There are usually a number of other rock dealers (including a bunch of "New Age" types for those who care.) Last year I bought a nice fish fossil (looks like Kemmerer, Wyo. to me) marked down to $3. A dude by the name of Adam may be walking around with a bag of Emerald Creek garnet for trade (he works at the garnet mine - Emerald Crk., ID). And there are usually several other mineral/crystal/fossil dealers amongst the crowd along with a weird sellection of stuff for sale or trade. Admission, camping and dealer space is free. Generators are not allowed, dogs must be leashed and campfires must be contained. The Barter Faire (sorry about the spelling...that's what it's called) is a 30 year-old tradition started by some old hippies. Free potluck on Saturday night followed by music, drumming and swirly dancing. If you get bored, head out to Fossil Bowl (about 15 miles) for leaf and occasional fish/insect fossils. Unfortunately, Emerald Creek is closed for the season after Labor Day. But you can still pan the creek. John From jpjunk at mc.net Thu Sep 6 16:39:45 2007 From: jpjunk at mc.net (John Junkroski) Date: Thu Sep 6 16:39:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: Very well said. Thank you. Please let me heartily second the suggestion. This list has often been the source of excellent information from gracious people willing to share. Incomplete information is frustrating and discouraging, especially to newbies. John On Sep 6, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Ted Kowalski wrote: (SNIP) > Rockhounds: > So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when > discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral > location is > common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for > example, > country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, > whatever... (SNIP) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Sep 6 16:55:26 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Sep 6 16:55:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] April 1975 Rocknound Mag Message-ID: <00ac01c7f0e1$65c3d830$039e5a40@marilyn> I am looking for a copy of the April 1975 Rockhound or at least the article from Xantus Carson. Any one have a copy ? I would appreciate a response at my email smtravis@plateautel.net Thanks Steve --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From buff1 at ptd.net Thu Sep 6 17:58:48 2007 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Thu Sep 6 17:58:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> Al Balmer wrote: >On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" > wrote: > > > >>So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when >>discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location is >>common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, >>country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, >>whatever... >> >> > >I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to >brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. > > > Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have to offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. I would agree that when asking info about a particular site to be as specific as you are able but.;. I understand that sometimes a person doesn't even know enough to properly ask the question. I think we all agree that this hobby has a monetary figure attached to it, and as such I can not abide with the idea that I have to publicly provide the gps co-ordinates to "the pot of gold". I have in many cases painstakingly researched a locality through use of public forums, referances and documentation to find the info I am looking for. This only adds to the value of the knowledge gained. To have this info given "on demand" seems to take away the value of both the knowledge and the hobby. I understand the need to keep the traffic to a minimum with a forum such as this, but I suspect a question with vague specifics may be addressing a more "local to the questioner " audience. Personally; I can choose to ignore or respond to any topic I see in my inbox. Apologies if I am being "unpopular" just offering defense to those who may feel unsupported or who would now not bother to even pose the question they were thinking of asking. Dennis Buffenmyer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Sep 6 18:16:07 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Sep 6 18:16:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire, Santa, Idaho References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook> <006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <015f01c7f0ec$ab9debb0$039e5a40@marilyn> John would you mind responding to me off list please smtravis@plateautel.net Thanks Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire, Santa, Idaho > For anyone who may be in the neighborhood this weekend, the Santa Barter > Faire is happening Friday 9/7 through Sunday. Santa is about 20 miles SE > of St. Maries, Idaho (about 60 miles SSE of Coeur D, Alene). Turn off Hwy > 3 at Tyson Creek Rd. and follow the signs. I may be there with minerals, > crystals, fossils and a bunch of yardsale-type items. There are usually a > number of other rock dealers (including a bunch of "New Age" types for > those who care.) Last year I bought a nice fish fossil (looks like > Kemmerer, Wyo. to me) marked down to $3. A dude by the name of Adam may be > walking around with a bag of Emerald Creek garnet for trade (he works at > the garnet mine - Emerald Crk., ID). And there are usually several other > mineral/crystal/fossil dealers amongst the crowd along with a weird > sellection of stuff for sale or trade. Admission, camping and dealer space > is free. Generators are not allowed, dogs must be leashed and campfires > must be contained. > > The Barter Faire (sorry about the spelling...that's what it's called) is a > 30 year-old tradition started by some old hippies. Free potluck on > Saturday night followed by music, drumming and swirly dancing. If you get > bored, head out to Fossil Bowl (about 15 miles) for leaf and occasional > fish/insect fossils. Unfortunately, Emerald Creek is closed for the season > after Labor Day. But you can still pan the creek. > > John > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Sep 6 18:17:58 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Sep 6 18:16:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> Message-ID: <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> > Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have > to offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. .... I really think people have gone off track here... I believe Ted's complaint was about the kind of question where someone asks, "How do I get to the locality for Lacy Underwear agate?", without specifying at least the general area of where they expect to be, or the kind of question, "I have some nice gravel from Smith County to trade," without any idea of where Smith County is. That sort of thing. There are a few localities in the mineral world that, like Cher or Madonna, don't need a more specific name; but for the most part, we shouldn't assume that everyone is familiar with any particular locality, and especially the obscure ones. Don From info at agatesfromargentina.com Thu Sep 6 18:34:39 2007 From: info at agatesfromargentina.com (Agates from Argentina) Date: Thu Sep 6 18:34:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 References: <200709070102.l8712Wvn005828@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> Well , I don?t want this to look as an add , but with Claudia and Ricardo (me) we found some new agate sources in the Patagonian Region, Cuyean Region Mesopotamic Region in Argentina. During four years , we travelled thousands of miles until "collector grade" agates were collected , cut and polished.and we are completely sure that these agates are new for Worldwide collectors. [URL=http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559667691Vqolqt][IMG]http://thumb19.webshots.net/t/24/565/1/54/97/2310154970050352699PDzpGX_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] In other words , there are more agates in Argentina that the Commercially known as "Condor" agates. Ricardo & Claudia Birnie Argentina ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 > Send Rockhounds mailing list submissions to > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rockhounds-owner@lists.drizzle.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rockhounds digest..." > > > [Rockhounds-Digest] > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Stinking water agate (R. Adney Jr.) > 2. Antelope Lake, CA Rose Quartz (Cliff Jackson) > 3. AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales (Shantisai@aol.com) > 4. [ADMIN] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales (John Siebel) > 5. netiquette topic (Ted Kowalski) > 6. Re: netiquette topic (Al Balmer) > 7. AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales (Jim Daly) > 8. Re: netiquette topic (John Siebel) > 9. Santa Barter Faire, Santa, Idaho (John Siebel) > 10. Re: netiquette topic (John Junkroski) > 11. April 1975 Rocknound Mag (Steve & Marilyn) > 12. Re: netiquette topic (Dennis Buffenmyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:16:36 -0700 > From: "R. Adney Jr." > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Stinking water agate > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Sorry about the ambiguity, Oregon is where I'm curious about. > > I drove by the roads into the Stinking Water area between Juntura and > Burns Oregon over the weekend and was trying to pin point which road I > need to take, how far etc.... > I am thinking of planning a trip there early next summer to get some. If > it's too big of a hassle find and obtain, I'll just go to Richardson Ranch > and buy some more! You know I think thats one of the only areas I didn't > get when I subscribed to Tim Fishers web site a year or so ago! DOHHH! > > Rich in Springfield > >> From: jlkelly1066@iglide.net >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 03:50:45 -1200 >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Stinking water agate >> >> Rich, >> >> Right now I can probably give you three, possibly four >> different locations that fit youir request. Might you give a >> "bit" more information, like what state you are talking >> about. Wouild hate to send you to Utah or Wyoming when you >> want to go to Oregon or N.C. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> > Does anyone out there know the gps coordinates for the >> > digging area for stinking water agate?? I am told it can >> > be found "near" the area where the creek and reservoir >> > meet, but I would like to get a little closer description >> > if anyone knows it. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Rich >> >> >> Those who love deeply never grow old; they may die of old >> age, but they die young. >> - A.W. Pinero >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:00:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00) > From: Cliff Jackson > Subject: [Rockhounds] Antelope Lake, CA Rose Quartz > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: > <23176766.1189054823759.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Would anyone have the GPS for the Rose Quartz location south of Antelope > Lake CA? > > Cliff Jackson > Las Vegas > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:44:09 EDT > From: Shantisai@aol.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi There I am looking for a bunch of monticellite for my store Do you have > some specimans Thaks Claire Luft > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:12:07 -0700 > From: "John Siebel" > Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <003c01c7f0b1$741c7c50$0200a8c0@Notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Note that Claire is not a list member so respond off-list. > > John Siebel > Admin Team > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:44 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales > > >> Hi There I am looking for a bunch of monticellite for my store Do you >> have >> some specimans Thaks Claire Luft > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400 > From: "Ted Kowalski" > Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors'" > Message-ID: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" > > Rockhounds: > I would like to bring up a netiquette topic. Once upon a time when the > list > was still under the guidance of Tom Corson; we, the list that is, agreed > on > several issues of general netiquette politeness. > > One of these issues is to recognize that Rockhounds@drizzle.com is not > just > a nationwide forum, but truly global with members in many countries. > > When a locale is discussed (questions, answers or reports) it is necessary > to remember that mineral locations even famous ones are not common > knowledge. Insufficient place name information leaves the rest of us > clueless, confused or misinformed. Clueless here translates into "feeling > isolated and left out of the discussion" and misinformed means that a list > member may waste their time to research and respond with information about > a > completely different location. > > So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when > discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location > is > common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, > country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, > whatever... > > There seems to be, from my perspective, increasing use of local place or > slang names. Admittedly, I am ignorant of most rock collecting locales, > but > I wonder if there are other rockhounds members who are troubled by a lack > of > sufficient locality information on the forum? On a personal note; I wonder > why, someone who doesn't have time or interest to include decent locality > information would expect any better quality of information back? > > Again, I think this is a netiquette topic. I offer it up for discussion. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:25:37 -0700 > From: Al Balmer > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" > wrote: > >>So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when >>discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location >>is >>common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, >>country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, >>whatever... > > I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to > brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:45:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jim Daly > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales > To: Rockhounds > Message-ID: <929647.34226.qm@web34311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > This month's update to the pricelist of microminerals at www.sauktown.com > will be posted this afternoon. > Among the more interesting additions are Bazhenovite from Belgium; > Gilalite from the Christmas Mine, Arizona; Carrboydite from the Carr Boyd > Mine, Australia; Dundasite from Ireland; and Scholzite from Reaphook Hill, > Australia. I've also added a few mounted specimens, including a very nice > tuperssuatsiaite and villiaumite from the Aris Quarry, Namibia. > I now have the rest of the Dryer collection, and will start to list some > of that material next month. > A special note for those who are getting this announcement through a > list, rather than directly- Please reply "off-list", rather than to the > list as a whole. > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > www.sauktown.com > orders@sauktown.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:32:54 -0700 > From: "John Siebel" > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > To: , "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors" > Message-ID: <005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks Ted. You've addressed one of my pet peeves. > > John > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:29:01 -0700 > From: "John Siebel" > Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire, Santa, Idaho > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > For anyone who may be in the neighborhood this weekend, the Santa Barter > Faire is happening Friday 9/7 through Sunday. Santa is about 20 miles SE > of > St. Maries, Idaho (about 60 miles SSE of Coeur D, Alene). Turn off Hwy 3 > at > Tyson Creek Rd. and follow the signs. I may be there with minerals, > crystals, fossils and a bunch of yardsale-type items. There are usually a > number of other rock dealers (including a bunch of "New Age" types for > those > who care.) Last year I bought a nice fish fossil (looks like Kemmerer, > Wyo. > to me) marked down to $3. A dude by the name of Adam may be walking around > with a bag of Emerald Creek garnet for trade (he works at the garnet > mine - > Emerald Crk., ID). And there are usually several other > mineral/crystal/fossil dealers amongst the crowd along with a weird > sellection of stuff for sale or trade. Admission, camping and dealer space > is free. Generators are not allowed, dogs must be leashed and campfires > must > be contained. > > The Barter Faire (sorry about the spelling...that's what it's called) is a > 30 year-old tradition started by some old hippies. Free potluck on > Saturday > night followed by music, drumming and swirly dancing. If you get bored, > head > out to Fossil Bowl (about 15 miles) for leaf and occasional fish/insect > fossils. Unfortunately, Emerald Creek is closed for the season after Labor > Day. But you can still pan the creek. > > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:39:45 -0500 > From: John Junkroski > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > To: Ted@crystalgems.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;delsp=yes;format=flowed > > Very well said. Thank you. > Please let me heartily second the suggestion. This list has often > been the source of excellent information > from gracious people willing to share. > Incomplete information is frustrating and discouraging, especially to > newbies. > > John > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Ted Kowalski wrote: > > (SNIP) >> Rockhounds: >> So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when >> discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral >> location is >> common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for >> example, >> country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, >> whatever... > (SNIP) > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:55:26 -0700 > From: "Steve & Marilyn" > Subject: [Rockhounds] April 1975 Rocknound Mag > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <00ac01c7f0e1$65c3d830$039e5a40@marilyn> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am looking for a copy of the April 1975 Rockhound or at least the > article from Xantus Carson. Any one have a copy ? I would appreciate a > response at my email smtravis@plateautel.net Thanks Steve > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:58:48 -0400 > From: Dennis Buffenmyer > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Message-ID: <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Al Balmer wrote: > >>On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when >>>discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location >>>is >>>common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for >>>example, >>>country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, >>>whatever... >>> >>> >> >>I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to >>brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. >> >> >> > Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have > to offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. I > would agree that when asking info about a particular site to be as > specific as you are able but.;. I understand that sometimes a person > doesn't even know enough to properly ask the question. > I think we all agree that this hobby has a monetary figure attached to > it, and as such I can not abide with the idea that I have to publicly > provide the gps co-ordinates to "the pot of gold". I have in many cases > painstakingly researched a locality through use of public forums, > referances and documentation to find the info I am looking for. This > only adds to the value of the knowledge gained. To have this info given > "on demand" seems to take away the value of both the knowledge and the > hobby. > I understand the need to keep the traffic to a minimum with a forum such > as this, but I suspect a question with vague specifics may be addressing > a more "local to the questioner " audience. Personally; I can choose to > ignore or respond to any topic I see in my inbox. > Apologies if I am being "unpopular" just offering defense to those who > may feel unsupported or who would now not bother to even pose the > question they were thinking of asking. > Dennis Buffenmyer > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > End of Rockhounds Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 > ***************************************** From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 18:41:48 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Sep 6 18:41:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> References: <200709070102.l8712Wvn005828@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> Message-ID: That's a bad link. BK On 9/6/07, Agates from Argentina wrote: > > Well , I don?t want this to look as an add , but with Claudia and Ricardo > (me) we found some new agate sources in the Patagonian Region, Cuyean > Region > Mesopotamic Region in Argentina. > During four years , we travelled thousands of miles until "collector > grade" > agates were collected , cut and polished.and we are completely sure that > these agates are new for Worldwide collectors. > > [URL= > http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/559667691Vqolqt][IMG]http://thumb19.webshots.net/t/24/565/1/54/97/2310154970050352699PDzpGX_th.jpg[/IMG][/URL > ] > > In other words , there are more agates in Argentina that the Commercially > known as "Condor" agates. > > Ricardo & Claudia Birnie > Argentina > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Sep 6 19:08:13 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Sep 6 19:08:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update Message-ID: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I've organized a few trips to the KY side of the IL-KY fluorspar district via this list serve over the past several years. The Clement Museum is now handling all the arrangements and have groups several weekends per month from late March ending with deer hunting season in early November. Because of the success of this program, the museum is not having the financial difficulties it was in several years ago. I want to thank everyone who has supported those digs - and had fun in the process! A group from Evansville is scheduled to dig this weekend and towards the end of the month a very large group from Georgia is coming up. Bill Frazer & I checked out another possible collecting area yesterday, on the Big Four fault system. I'm not optimistic that it will pan out. I picked up some 'gravel spar' (crystalline fluorite on the surface), but that doesn't always mean ground crystals are just below. Bill showed me some work he has done at the Columbia mine. He had the fluorescent mineral dump turned yesterday and I pointed out an overgrown rock pile that has been very productive for me over the past five years at the Eureka. (One miniature specimen can have goods crystals of fluorite, quartz, calcite, sphalerite and smithsonite on it!) We also determined that some dumps on the fault associated with the Mary Belle mine are on his property and that he will dig into them. The Mary Belle is not on his land. (He showed me an open shaft dug in the 1940's. Judging from the time it takes the rock to hit the bottom of the shaft, it is about 50' deep. No water. Needless to say, he doesn't want anyone wandering up the hill any more!) I was down there to pick up a dump truck load of material from the old Ozark-Mahoning dumps in Rosiclare. It is nice having access to a dual axle dump truck! We now have 15 tons of material for the Fossil Festival at the Falls of the Ohio State Park on the 15th & 16th of this month. For the diehard mineral collector, it may not be worth looking at, but for our typical festival attendee the yellow and purple fluorite, barite, calcite and sphalerite will be very popular. I anticipate the pile will be as popular as the fossil piles. We have water there so people can wash off the material. In addition, the rock is generally small enough that the use of rock hammers isn't necessary. For liability reasons, we do not let people use rock hammers on the piles during the event. There are too many people packed in! The best fluorite is at Hastie Quarry. Unfortunately it is still OFF-LIMITS to collectors. However, I talked to them and they are willing to sell a quantity of low grade ore (the bedding replaced limestone with crystal vugs) which can be trucked over to the grounds of the museum for collectors to split. It will prboably cost about as much as it did to rent the track hoe. The material can be very nice because the purple and yellow crystals are fresh, clean and often lustrous. They aren't big (typically under 1 cm wide). I am working with Bill so that we can organize a dig at the museum with Hastie fluorite. Just a reminder for those visiting the Illinois side of the district, don't bother asking at Hastie Quarry - that just irritates them! Trespassing is worse and is the main reason why they closed all access to their property. I'll be down there again in mid October to do more collecting. Alan G. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Sep 6 19:24:37 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 19:24:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:[AD] Rockhounds Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> References: <200709070102.l8712Wvn005828@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:34:39 -0300, "Agates from Argentina" wrote: >Well , I don?t want this to look as an add , but with Claudia and Ricardo >(me) we found some new agate sources in the Patagonian Region, Cuyean Region >Mesopotamic Region in Argentina. Please don't include the entire digest when you post, and please change the subject line. If it's an ad, mark it with [AD] in the subject line. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From albalmer at att.net Thu Sep 6 19:34:14 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 19:34:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> Message-ID: <2ld1e3lu9n4nrqgr6fv8ke3ocgqqiisi4d@4ax.com> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:58:48 -0400, Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: >Al Balmer wrote: > >>On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when >>>discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location is >>>common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, >>>country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, >>>whatever... >>> >>> >> >>I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to >>brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. >> >> >> >Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have >to offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. I >would agree that when asking info about a particular site to be as >specific as you are able but.;. I understand that sometimes a person >doesn't even know enough to properly ask the question. Now you've confused me. We aren't talking about people asking questions. We're talking about people posting about locations without giving enough information ("It was on Brown Peak", when there are 3 dozen "Brown Peaks" in the country.) >I think we all agree that this hobby has a monetary figure attached to >it, and as such I can not abide with the idea that I have to publicly >provide the gps co-ordinates to "the pot of gold". Well, then, don't. But be up front about it. Don't start a round of confused questions and non-replies. Just say you're not going to tell. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Sep 6 19:43:23 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Sep 6 19:43:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> Message-ID: <46E0BAC2.50CE@Tomaszewski.net> Dennis, I remember the discussion. I think the primary intent was to provide context information (country, state, county, city) about a locality so that list members could decide if the posting was relevant to them. One of the most common questions seen after a locality is mentioned is 'what state/country are you talking about?'. If you are cataloging a specimen into your collection, the locality is the most important information you have about the specimen, and you want it to be as detailed as possible. You need to be able to get back to where you collected it, or to send some other collector/researcher back to the same spot long after you have passed on. Your detailed information may need to be passed on to another collector from a list question honestly asked with a clear personal need for the data. It would be your call to publish it, be silent, or take the discussion off-list. Your effort/cost in finding the details is a big factor in your decision. Most list postings of localities probably should emulate 'XYZ Mine, near City, County/Region/Province, State (Country)'. GPS coordinates or driving directions to the .1 mile are usually unnecessary or inappropriate. You want to clearly identify the locality, and its context, to get your question or point across, without opening the door for looters to walk in and get the location closed. Kreigh Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > > Al Balmer wrote: > > >On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when > >>discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location is > >>common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, > >>country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, > >>whatever... > >> > >> > > > >I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to > >brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. > > > > > > > Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have > to offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. I > would agree that when asking info about a particular site to be as > specific as you are able but.;. I understand that sometimes a person > doesn't even know enough to properly ask the question. > I think we all agree that this hobby has a monetary figure attached to > it, and as such I can not abide with the idea that I have to publicly > provide the gps co-ordinates to "the pot of gold". I have in many cases > painstakingly researched a locality through use of public forums, > referances and documentation to find the info I am looking for. This > only adds to the value of the knowledge gained. To have this info given > "on demand" seems to take away the value of both the knowledge and the > hobby. > I understand the need to keep the traffic to a minimum with a forum such > as this, but I suspect a question with vague specifics may be addressing > a more "local to the questioner " audience. Personally; I can choose to > ignore or respond to any topic I see in my inbox. > Apologies if I am being "unpopular" just offering defense to those who > may feel unsupported or who would now not bother to even pose the > question they were thinking of asking. > Dennis Buffenmyer From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Sep 6 20:18:57 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Sep 6 20:19:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] topic & netiquette (was) Rockhounds Digest, Vol 40, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> References: <200709070102.l8712Wvn005828@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <000301c7f0ef$4302dea0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> Message-ID: <46E0B8AE0000127D@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Please change the topic in the Subject line to fit your message. This is especially important when you are on the Digest plan. Below is another quote from the List Usage Policy. I would also like to add that it is worthwhile to take a moment to look at your message before you click {quot}send{quot} in order to see if it is easy to read.    Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team Member) Subject Line: * Please select a clear topic that will allow readers to decide if they will want to read or delete. Avoid cute or cryptic titles. * Change the topic in the Subject line when you introduce a different theme. Depending on circumstances, you may want to use {quot}(was){quot} to indicate the change. * Use one topic at a time. If you have two messages that are not at all related, post them separately, with different topics in the Subject line. Trimming: * When replying to an existing message, please remove the trailers at the bottom and unnecessary material from the text. * Retain enough of the original message to allow readers to know what you are responding to. * Preserve the original poster’s name. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 20:47:40 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Sep 6 20:47:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] CO2 (WAS muriatic acid for cleaning) In-Reply-To: References: <692011.85753.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001b01c7ed71$abc3ed20$0bfaf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: The utility industry has had many fatalities due to the available oxygen being replaced buy workers in confined spaces, especially manholes. But these deaths were due to suffocation caused by lack of oxygen, not a "poisoning" effect of CO2. The same thing has happened to cave divers who have found neat air pockets in underwater caverns and just breath the oxygen poor "air". By the way, all the info about using Muriatic acid for cleaning limestone matrix seems very on the mark. If one has no one else from whom to get good advice, any good concrete worker and most swimming pool owners use it with few problems. Respect, basic knowledge, and care of this chemical as well as most others is always a necessary part for safety and success. My 2 cents is to watch your specimens closely and observe how fast the unwanted material is dissolved and to avoid destroying the target. Someone suggested starting with vinegar which is a fairlly safe weak acid. Then I noted adding muriatic to water at about 50%. That is alao good advice. And you can try other mixes like 25% acid to water and increase the acid percent until you get a satisfactory "clean rate". ALL acid work should be done with goggles or face shield, protective clothing, rubber gloves and other appropriate safety gear. And keep a gallon or 2 of baking soda and water close at hand in case of an accident to neutralize the acid. We keep baking soda water near our battery racks in the telco switching offices in case of acid accidents. It is labeled eye wash. And acid in ones eyes is BAD. Glenn > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:13:09 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] muriatic acid for cleaning...> > I wasn't thinking of asphyxiation, if I understand this correctly the CO2> concentration in the air is the controlling feedback mechanism for the human> respiration system. Elevated levels of CO2 interfere with the system, this> is not a short term effect of course so brief exposures to higher CO2 levels> are not a problem.> > BK> > I know of no cases of death or illness from breathing CO2 except when a> > freakish natural event released a huge volume of the gas in a lake which was> > in a valley and all the animals died. CO2 is much heavier than air and the> > gas cloud clings to low elevations. You'd likely breathe more CO2 by> > inhaling over a freshly poured glass of seltzer water than from cleaning> > minerals. Yes, those bubbles in soda are CO2.> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jpjunk at mc.net Thu Sep 6 20:48:02 2007 From: jpjunk at mc.net (John Junkroski) Date: Thu Sep 6 20:48:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update In-Reply-To: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: I think we all owe Alan a thank you for the work he has done to assist the museum and to encourage continued collecting in the district. His work with the museum ( and with Bill Frazer, another "good guy") have provided opportunities for many of us to visit these world-class sites. I was privileged to meet him and participate at a couple of collecting sites a few years ago. The hobby need more people like him. Thanks, Alan. Please keep up the good work. John On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Alan Goldstein wrote: > I've organized a few trips to the KY side of the IL-KY fluorspar > district via this list serve over the past several years. The > Clement Museum is now handling all the arrangements and have groups > several weekends per month from late March ending with deer hunting > season in early November. Because of the success of this program, > the museum is not having the financial difficulties it was in > several years ago. I want to thank everyone who has supported those > digs - and had fun in the process! A group from Evansville is > scheduled to dig this weekend and towards the end of the month a > very large group from Georgia is coming up. > > Bill Frazer & I checked out another possible collecting area > yesterday, on the Big Four fault system. I'm not optimistic that it > will pan out. I picked up some 'gravel spar' (crystalline fluorite > on the surface), but that doesn't always mean ground crystals are > just below. > > Bill showed me some work he has done at the Columbia mine. He had > the fluorescent mineral dump turned yesterday and I pointed out an > overgrown rock pile that has been very productive for me over the > past five years at the Eureka. (One miniature specimen can have > goods crystals of fluorite, quartz, calcite, sphalerite and > smithsonite on it!) We also determined that some dumps on the fault > associated with the Mary Belle mine are on his property and that he > will dig into them. The Mary Belle is not on his land. (He showed > me an open shaft dug in the 1940's. Judging from the time it takes > the rock to hit the bottom of the shaft, it is about 50' deep. No > water. Needless to say, he doesn't want anyone wandering up the > hill any more!) > > I was down there to pick up a dump truck load of material from the > old Ozark-Mahoning dumps in Rosiclare. It is nice having access to > a dual axle dump truck! We now have 15 tons of material for the > Fossil Festival at the Falls of the Ohio State Park on the 15th & > 16th of this month. For the diehard mineral collector, it may not > be worth looking at, but for our typical festival attendee the > yellow and purple fluorite, barite, calcite and sphalerite will be > very popular. I anticipate the pile will be as popular as the > fossil piles. We have water there so people can wash off the > material. In addition, the rock is generally small enough that the > use of rock hammers isn't necessary. For liability reasons, we do > not let people use rock hammers on the piles during the event. > There are too many people packed in! > > The best fluorite is at Hastie Quarry. Unfortunately it is still > OFF-LIMITS to collectors. However, I talked to them and they are > willing to sell a quantity of low grade ore (the bedding replaced > limestone with crystal vugs) which can be trucked over to the > grounds of the museum for collectors to split. It will prboably > cost about as much as it did to rent the track hoe. The material > can be very nice because the purple and yellow crystals are fresh, > clean and often lustrous. They aren't big (typically under 1 cm > wide). I am working with Bill so that we can organize a dig at the > museum with Hastie fluorite. Just a reminder for those visiting > the Illinois side of the district, don't bother asking at Hastie > Quarry - that just irritates them! Trespassing is worse and is the > main reason why they closed all access to their property. > > I'll be down there again in mid October to do more collecting. > > Alan G. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From rfadney at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 20:59:01 2007 From: rfadney at hotmail.com (R. Adney Jr.) Date: Thu Sep 6 20:59:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic, Holy Cow! In-Reply-To: <46E0BAC2.50CE@Tomaszewski.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0BAC2.50CE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: HOLY COW!!!! I would have never imagined that my lack of knowledge of the multiple locations (other than Oregon) for "Stinking Water Plume Agate" would have brought on this level of discussion. Being a relative "newbie" I will not cop an attitude, feel condescended upon or feel foolish for making a mistake.... oh wait, yes I will! I will take the discussion as helpful information, and go on from here, far from here. To another group. Less Elite. This is the second time I've been condescended upon here. And the last. Disrespect me once shame on you, disrespect me twice shame on me. The " Lacy Underwear Agate" comment, was the last straw. This group has too many members who are far too perfect, way too knowledgeable and far too arrogant for regular folks. >From now on you should make all the rules PERFECTLY clear to new list members prior to the "newbies" deciding whether to join permanently. Make sure they know that instead of a personal email, suggesting how to post in the future, be certain that they know they will be made to look foolish in front of everyone on the list. Remove me from the list. > From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:43:23 -0400 > > Dennis, > > I remember the discussion. I think the primary intent was to provide > context information (country, state, county, city) about a locality so > that list members could decide if the posting was relevant to them. One > of the most common questions seen after a locality is mentioned is 'what > state/country are you talking about?'. > > If you are cataloging a specimen into your collection, the locality is > the most important information you have about the specimen, and you want > it to be as detailed as possible. You need to be able to get back to > where you collected it, or to send some other collector/researcher back > to the same spot long after you have passed on. > > Your detailed information may need to be passed on to another collector > from a list question honestly asked with a clear personal need for the > data. It would be your call to publish it, be silent, or take the > discussion off-list. Your effort/cost in finding the details is a big > factor in your decision. > > Most list postings of localities probably should emulate 'XYZ Mine, near > City, County/Region/Province, State (Country)'. GPS coordinates or > driving directions to the .1 mile are usually unnecessary or > inappropriate. You want to clearly identify the locality, and its > context, to get your question or point across, without opening the door > for looters to walk in and get the location closed. > > Kreigh > > > > > > Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > > > > Al Balmer wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:12:58 -0400, "Ted Kowalski" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>So, please please please; be detailed and as specific as you can when > > >>discussing any mineral or rock locality. Assume that no mineral location is > > >>common knowledge and include sufficient location information; for example, > > >>country, state, city, town, county, parish, township, mountain range, > > >>whatever... > > >> > > >> > > > > > >I wholeheartedly agree. Even if it's a secret, and you just want to > > >brag without revealing the location, say so. Don't let us speculate. > > > > > > > > > > > Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have > > to offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. I > > would agree that when asking info about a particular site to be as > > specific as you are able but.;. I understand that sometimes a person > > doesn't even know enough to properly ask the question. > > I think we all agree that this hobby has a monetary figure attached to > > it, and as such I can not abide with the idea that I have to publicly > > provide the gps co-ordinates to "the pot of gold". I have in many cases > > painstakingly researched a locality through use of public forums, > > referances and documentation to find the info I am looking for. This > > only adds to the value of the knowledge gained. To have this info given > > "on demand" seems to take away the value of both the knowledge and the > > hobby. > > I understand the need to keep the traffic to a minimum with a forum such > > as this, but I suspect a question with vague specifics may be addressing > > a more "local to the questioner " audience. Personally; I can choose to > > ignore or respond to any topic I see in my inbox. > > Apologies if I am being "unpopular" just offering defense to those who > > may feel unsupported or who would now not bother to even pose the > > question they were thinking of asking. > > Dennis Buffenmyer > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Sep 6 21:21:17 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Sep 6 21:19:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic, Holy Cow! In-Reply-To: References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0BAC2.50CE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46E0D1BD.2080706@verizon.net> R. Adney Jr. wrote: > The " Lacy Underwear Agate" comment, was the last straw. Hi, E-mail is pretty one-dimensional and sometimes people take things the wrong way. People who know me know that I have a tongue-in-cheek sense of humor, and I certainly didn't intend to pick on your post in particular--if I did, I would have made up a name more closely aligned with the name you used. In fact, there are a lot of agates with the term "lace" in their commonly known names, and that was the perfect example of the kind of issue Ted was talking about. It definitely was not directed at your post. I also added another example about "gravel from Smith County" to make the point as generic and non-specific as possible. I think your introduction to the group may have started off on the wrong foot, but from knowing the people involved in the discussion, I am quite certain they had the benefit of the group in mind, asking for clarity and specificity. This issue has been raised previously. I urge you to give it a chance, but if you still decide to leave, I certainly won't bear the responsibility of having placed the last straw when I intended nothing of the kind. Yours truly, Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Thu Sep 6 21:37:02 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 6 21:37:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic, Holy Cow! Message-ID: I thought Don's Lacy Underwear Agate was kind of funny. And I was amused, first about Stinking Water Agate, because that's a pretty odd name too, which I have to admit (not being a true agate hound) I'd never heard of. And of course, I did puzzle over it when I first read the post, and my reaction too was, "and can we please know what state or country this is from?"--but I didn't post anything back of course, because (a) I didn't know anything hence have anything to contribute, and (b) I figured someone else would remind the poster to say what part of the country he was talking about; but then there's even (c), my old standby rule of thumb, "If some locality is mentioned in _rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com_ (mailto:rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) and the poster never gives the least clue where in the world it is, it's always in Oregon, 'cause that's where all the real rockhounds are, it seems, at least the ones on this List! And I was doubly (or triply or whatever) surprised to read someone else's reply that there were "lots" of localities in the U.S. for "stinking water agate". Now, that's hard to swallow; it sure sounds like a locally named material that by definition can only come from one place. But since I never heard of it before, I'm not exactly the one to comment. Over here in Colorado we have lots of "mineral collectors", but I do think that Oregon has the monopoly on real down home classic Rockhounds! And of course, I'll suggest that most of our posters are not really putting people down, they're just writing off-the-cuff and maybe trying to throw in a little humor, which "sometimes" is just a little bit at someone's expense. We all just need to shrug that off and not take it too personal, because they're all good folks who just love rocks. Pete Modreski ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 04:20:39 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Sep 7 04:20:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic, Holy Cow! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't think you were allowed to be a rockhound unless you at least had a a fairly good sense of humor. Something this fellow seems to be lacking. BK > And of course, I'll suggest that most of our posters are not really > putting > people down, they're just writing off-the-cuff and maybe trying to throw > in a > little humor, which "sometimes" is just a little bit at someone's expense. > We all just need to shrug that off and not take it too personal, because > they're all good folks who just love rocks. > > Pete Modreski > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Sep 7 06:17:28 2007 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Sep 7 06:17:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [AD:] Third Issue of Australian & New Zealand Mineral Collector Magazine Out Now... Message-ID: <20070907131728.17821.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all The third issue of the Australian and New Zealand Mineral Collector magazine is now out. This issue includes articles on Modern Mineralogy and Mineral Collecting Code of Practice; Two Australians in Morocco; Wavellite in Australia and New Zealand; Shale Mines at Latrobe, Tasmania; Sphene from near Broken Hill; Sampleite and other minerals from Northparkes; and more. It is full colour, 28 pages, and only $10US available from Lulu - http://www.lulu.com/smartarts If you are going to order a copy directly, can I suggest that you use the 'Standard' option for shipping. It is by far the most economical, and usually arrives within a couple of weeks. Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Sep 7 08:29:19 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Sep 7 08:28:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update References: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <007c01c7f163$dc58c550$6400a8c0@Junior> Alan, it's great to hear that you guys are succeeding, the museum finances are improving, and things are getting bigger and better every year! This is exactly the type of thing we need to keep the hobby alive and well. Congratulations! Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update I've organized a few trips to the KY side of the IL-KY fluorspar district via this list serve over the past several years. The Clement Museum is now handling all the arrangements and have groups several weekends per month from late March ending with deer hunting season in early November. Because of the success of this program, the museum is not having the financial difficulties it was in several years ago. I want to thank everyone who has supported those digs - and had fun in the process! A group from Evansville is scheduled to dig this weekend and towards the end of the month a very large group from Georgia is coming up. Bill Frazer & I checked out another possible collecting area yesterday, on the Big Four fault system. I'm not optimistic that it will pan out. I picked up some 'gravel spar' (crystalline fluorite on the surface), but that doesn't always mean ground crystals are just below. Bill showed me some work he has done at the Columbia mine. He had the fluorescent mineral dump turned yesterday and I pointed out an overgrown rock pile that has been very productive for me over the past five years at the Eureka. (One miniature specimen can have goods crystals of fluorite, quartz, calcite, sphalerite and smithsonite on it!) We also determined that some dumps on the fault associated with the Mary Belle mine are on his property and that he will dig into them. The Mary Belle is not on his land. (He showed me an open shaft dug in the 1940's. Judging from the time it takes the rock to hit the bottom of the shaft, it is about 50' deep. No water. Needless to say, he doesn't want anyone wandering up the hill any more!) I was down there to pick up a dump truck load of material from the old Ozark-Mahoning dumps in Rosiclare. It is nice having access to a dual axle dump truck! We now have 15 tons of material for the Fossil Festival at the Falls of the Ohio State Park on the 15th & 16th of this month. For the diehard mineral collector, it may not be worth looking at, but for our typical festival attendee the yellow and purple fluorite, barite, calcite and sphalerite will be very popular. I anticipate the pile will be as popular as the fossil piles. We have water there so people can wash off the material. In addition, the rock is generally small enough that the use of rock hammers isn't necessary. For liability reasons, we do not let people use rock hammers on the piles during the event. There are too many people packed in! The best fluorite is at Hastie Quarry. Unfortunately it is still OFF-LIMITS to collectors. However, I talked to them and they are willing to sell a quantity of low grade ore (the bedding replaced limestone with crystal vugs) which can be trucked over to the grounds of the museum for collectors to split. It will prboably cost about as much as it did to rent the track hoe. The material can be very nice because the purple and yellow crystals are fresh, clean and often lustrous. They aren't big (typically under 1 cm wide). I am working with Bill so that we can organize a dig at the museum with Hastie fluorite. Just a reminder for those visiting the Illinois side of the district, don't bother asking at Hastie Quarry - that just irritates them! Trespassing is worse and is the main reason why they closed all access to their property. I'll be down there again in mid October to do more collecting. Alan G. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Sep 7 08:31:33 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Sep 7 08:30:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> Message-ID: <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Mmmmm..... Lacy Underwear agate! /emote drool like Homer Simpson.... Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > > >> Based on the responses I have seen posted, I suppose I would only have to >> offer defense to the unpoplar idea of not being terribly specific. .... > > > I really think people have gone off track here... I believe Ted's > complaint was about the kind of question where someone asks, "How do I get > to the locality for Lacy Underwear agate?", without specifying at least > the general area of where they expect to be, or the kind of question, "I > have some nice gravel from Smith County to trade," without any idea of > where Smith County is. That sort of thing. > > There are a few localities in the mineral world that, like Cher or > Madonna, don't need a more specific name; but for the most part, we > shouldn't assume that everyone is familiar with any particular locality, > and especially the obscure ones. > > Don > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 7 09:02:44 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 7 09:02:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <002901c7f168$87134bb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > > Mmmmm..... Lacy Underwear agate! > > /emote drool like Homer Simpson.... > Serious now, guys. What is the official name for Lacy Underwear agate? Victoriassecretite? Agentprovocateurite? H?nkemullerite? Axel From pmodreski at aol.com Fri Sep 7 09:48:23 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 7 09:48:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> P.S., as Don said, I'm sure that there are a few of these worldlike localities that can just be mentioned by "short name" and almost everyone will know where they are, are such as "Pikes Peak" or "Franklin" or "Tsumeb" or "the Red Cloud mine" or "Newry" or "Bancroft". But even then, it might be OK to mention them that way casually in passing, but if really asking some serious question about one, most of us would probably add at least the state or country to clarify it so everyone would be totally clear where we were at.? (And of course--I should add--one still might regardless need to make clear if one meant Franklin, NJ, or Franklin, North Carolina!) Cheers to all, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jokela Jr. Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" ? To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" ? Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:17 PM? Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic? ? >? > There are a few localities in the mineral world that, like Cher or > Madonna, don't need a more specific name; but for the most part, we > shouldn't assume that everyone is familiar with any particular locality, > and especially the obscure ones.? >? > Don? >? >? >? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 7 09:51:58 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Sep 7 09:52:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cavansite- ADVERTISEMENT References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <002901c7f168$87134bb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000a01c7f16f$6815ee00$12dd2c4b@LarryRush> Well, my mother, as a parent of 8, always told me at dinner not to let my "eyes be bigger than my head"...... I didn't learn it then and evidently don't practice it now! I recently bought more Cavansite from an Indian miner than I can possibly use, and can offer it at a wholesale price. I have 3 lots of 10-13 pieces each, for $200 each lot, plus $15 shipping. I can send photos and descriptions to anyone interested. (Off-line, please!) Thank you for your indulgence........... Larry Rush From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 7 11:22:08 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 7 11:21:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Want a good example, Pete? I found in my collection database a scheelite specimen labeled "Yxj?berget". After some research the locality proved to be: Yxsj?berg Mine, Yxsj? ore field, Ljusnarsberg, V?stmanland, Sweden. I admit that it is completely unpronounceable and if it were, it would probably sound more like a hybrid between terminal cough and a speech impediment than like a locality... Anyway, it supports your standpoint. Furthermore, I recently got a question from someone who had found a fluorescing mineral "somewhere". It took five e-mails back and forth to extract from him the information about color, luster, fluorescent color, phosphorescence color etc, that should have been given spontaneously. You can't help people if they don't volunteer information about their problem. There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As a tool, not as a rule ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: vrijdag 7 september 2007 17:48 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > > P.S., as Don said, I'm sure that there are a few of these > worldlike localities that can just be mentioned by "short > name" and almost everyone will know where they are, are such > as "Pikes Peak" or "Franklin" or "Tsumeb" or "the Red Cloud > mine" or "Newry" or "Bancroft". > > But even then, it might be OK to mention them that way > casually in passing, but if really asking some serious > question about one, most of us would probably add at least > the state or country to clarify it so everyone would be > totally clear where we were at.? (And of course--I should > add--one still might regardless need to make clear if one > meant Franklin, NJ, or Franklin, North Carolina!) > > Cheers to all, > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Jokela Jr. > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" ? > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" ? > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:17 PM? > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic? > ? > >? > > There are a few localities in the mineral world that, like > Cher or > Madonna, don't need a more specific name; but for > the most part, we > shouldn't assume that everyone is > familiar with any particular locality, > and especially the > obscure ones.? > >? > > Don? > >? > >? > >? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free > AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Sep 7 20:23:00 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Fri Sep 7 20:23:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <002901c7f168$87134bb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <002901c7f168$87134bb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <00dc01c7f1c7$8f4777c0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Axel: Shouldn't we stay with the classic description? For example: Lacy Underwear Agate; var Quartz, cryptocrystalline, slinky banded with ornate geometric edges. Commonly found colors are pick, white, red and black. Ted -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:03 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > > Mmmmm..... Lacy Underwear agate! > > /emote drool like Homer Simpson.... > Serious now, guys. What is the official name for Lacy Underwear agate? Victoriassecretite? Agentprovocateurite? H?nkemullerite? Axel -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Sep 7 20:57:50 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Sep 7 20:57:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: Great idea Axel! I think we could have a short forum for suggestions for the format of a "list mineral question template". Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer to compile the form. Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull up the form and fill in the blanks. And if a question is submitted with less than adequate information, use of the template can be suggested. Glenn From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As a tool, not as a rule ;-))) Axel _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 7 22:47:09 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 7 22:43:32 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> OK, great idea. What should the template look like? I have a question about ______. So far I have figured out ______. I am really trying to find out ______. Does anyone have more info that will help? I would suggest that the real problem is what blanks need to be under the second question to suggest appropriate homework. Can the List reach consensus on what a short form would include? Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Great idea Axel! > > I think we could have a short forum for suggestions for the format of a "list mineral question template". > > Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer to compile the form. > > Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull up the form and fill in the blanks. > > And if a question is submitted with less than adequate information, use of the template can be suggested. > Glenn > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As a tool, not as a rule ;-))) > Axel > _________________________________________________________________ > Capture your memories in an online journal! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lukasminerals at iburst.co.za Fri Sep 7 23:54:06 2007 From: lukasminerals at iburst.co.za (Luka Berkovic) Date: Fri Sep 7 23:54:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Namabian minerals Message-ID: <000601c7f1e5$0c995a50$2005fea9@luka> Hi everyone, I have taken 45 specimens out of my collection, I will give you a break down of what exactly there is and you can email me and let me know if you want pictures!!! I would prefer to sell the whole lot as one, but I doubt is possible!!! Please email me on lukasminerals@iburst.co.za Thanks Luka Berkovic 1. fluorite on feldspar from Erongo, 4.5 x 3cm: $200 2. chalcopyrite from the drc, 4 x 3 x 2cm: $45 3. Poldervaartite from n'chwaning, 3 x 3 x 2cm: $150 4. Poldervaartite on calcite from n'chwaning, 5.5 x 2.5cm: $150 5. Poldervaartite on calcite from n'chwaning, 3 x 1.5cm: $75 6. Poldervaartite from n'chwaning, 2 x 1cm: $75 7. Rhodocrosite with shigiate and barite from n'chwaning, 6.5 x 6 x 3cm: $100 8. smoky quartz from Malawi, 8.5 x 5 x 3cm: $75 9. hematite from n'chwaning, 4.5 x 3 x 3cm: $150 10. Ettringite from the wessels, 2 x 1.5cm: $75 11. Euclaise from Zimbabwe, 2.5 x 1.5cm: $800 12. Rhodocrosite, 2 x 1.5cm: $75 13. Rhodocrosite from n'chwaning, 3.5 x 3 x 2cm: $150 14. Ettringite, 1.5 x 1cm: $150 15. Ettringite 2.5 x .5cm: $75 16. schorl and fluorite on feldspar from Erongo, 7 x 5.5 x 4cm: $100 17. goshenite and black tourmaline on feldspar, 3 x 2 x 2cm: $150 18. fluorite on feldspar, from Erongo, 2.5 x 1.5cm : $75 19. aquamarine from Erongo, 4 x 3 x 2cm: $75 20. aquamarine from Erongo, 4 x 3 x 2.5cm: $20 21. fluorite from Erongo, 3 x 2 x 2cm: $85 22. fluorite from Erongo, 3.5 x 3 x 2cm: $125 23. fluorite from Erongo, 3 x 3 x 2.5cm: $150 24. fluorite on schorl, 3 x 2.5 x 1.5xm: $150 25. fluorite on feldspar, 3.5 x 1.5cm: $50 26. aquamarine from Erongo, 6.5 x 1.5cm : $100 27. schorl and aquamarine on feldspar, 4 x 3cm: $100 28. aquamarine on feldspar, 3.5 x 3cm: $75 29. aquamarine from Erongo, 3x3cm: $50 30. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 2 x 1.5cm: $150 31. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 1.5 x 1.5cm: $100 32. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 1.5 x 1.5cm: $200 33. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 2 x 1.5cm: $50 34. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 3.5 x 2.5 x 2.5cm: $75 35. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 3.5 x 2.5 x 2.5cm: $75 36. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 3.5 x 2.5 x 2.5cm: $75 37. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 3 x 2cm: $75 38. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 3 x 1.5cm: $75 39. Dioptase from Kaokoland, 3 x 1.5cm: $75 40. Brandberg quartz on feldspar, 4 x 2cm : $50 41. Brandberg quartz, 2.5 x 3cm: $50 42. Brandberg quartz, 4 x 1.5cm: $40 43. Brandberg quartz, 4.5 x 2cm: $40 44. Brandberg quartz, 4 x 1.5cm: $50 45. Brandberg quartz, 3.5 x 2.5: $150 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Sat Sep 8 01:00:20 2007 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Sat Sep 8 01:00:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic Message-ID: <20070908080020.10214.qmail@webmachine101.com> > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who need help > about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? > As a tool, not as a rule ;-))) > > Axel ...and the first question is: What's your name? (Answer - Steve) Can you spell it? (Answer - Yes) :o) Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Sep 8 02:58:26 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Sep 8 02:58:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: <00dc01c7f1c7$8f4777c0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior><002901c7f168$87134bb0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <00dc01c7f1c7$8f4777c0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <000301c7f1fe$cd69aaf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I'm with you Ted. Just the color pick... I master the English/American language reasonably well. Enough so to sense that "the color pick" is more than a typo but the pun eludes me. Do you care to enlighten me? I've spent some money on A.M. Clarks "Hey's mineral index" (mineral species, varieties & synonyms and it has cleared up more than one murky nomenclature. Believe it or not: it goes from Lacroixite straight to "Lady's slipper (var. Of siderite). No lacy stuff in there. As long as there is no official unofficial name for this thought-provoking, testosterone-stirring sub variety of chalcedony variety of quartz I feel that we should have a go at it and find a better name. To ward off sexism in science: so should the female list-members. So, go for it ladies. What about: agate, var Kellyminogueite? Greetz Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Ted Kowalski > Verzonden: zaterdag 8 september 2007 4:23 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > > Axel: > Shouldn't we stay with the classic description? > For example: Lacy Underwear Agate; var Quartz, > cryptocrystalline, slinky banded with ornate geometric edges. > Commonly found colors are pick, white, red and black. > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Axel Emmermann > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:03 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic > > > > > Mmmmm..... Lacy Underwear agate! > > > > /emote drool like Homer Simpson.... > > > > Serious now, guys. > What is the official name for Lacy Underwear agate? > Victoriassecretite? > Agentprovocateurite? > H?nkemullerite? > > Axel > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Sep 8 03:53:26 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Sep 8 03:53:17 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} In-Reply-To: <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Usually, a plea for help comes as a question about 1) Technical advise in cleaning, faceting, polishing etc. 2) Locality 3) Mineral determination The questions of the first type are pretty recurrent (muriatic acid, saw blades). Usually one could suffice with a referral to archived discussions? The questions about localities could be handled like: =================================================== I have a mineral of which I would like to have the complete finding place. The label says: Mineral: ......................... Accompanying minerals: .......................... .......................... .......................... .......................... Mine/Quarry/finding place ........................ City/Near/Mining district ........................ County/Region .......................... State/Province .......................... Country .......................... =================================================== Questions about mineral determination could be handled like ==================================================== You found the specimen at: Mine/Quarry/finding place ........................ City/Near/Mining district ........................ County/Region .......................... State/Province .......................... Country .......................... You observed these properties (delete what is clearly not true): Luster: metallic, greasy, very shiny, rather shiny, dull, earthy Diaphanous?: Transparent, translucent, opaque Hardness: The mineral scratches glass I can scratch the mineral with my fingernails, with a knife .... Etc Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan. Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange Saturation: Pale, medium, deep Specific weight: very light, light, heavy, very heavy Streak/powder color (use same names as above): Fluorescence under Long Wave: Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan, NONE. Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange Saturation: Pale, medium, deep Fluorescence under Mid Wave: Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan, NONE. Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange Saturation: Pale, medium, deep Fluorescence under Short Wave: Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan, None. Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange Saturation: Pale, medium, deep Phosphorescence: Long wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan, NONE. Mid wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan, NONE. Short wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, purple, pink, tan, NONE. ============================================================================ Care to expand/comment? Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: zaterdag 8 september 2007 6:47 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] > netiquette topic} > > OK, great idea. What should the template look like? > > I have a question about ______. > > So far I have figured out ______. > > I am really trying to find out ______. > > Does anyone have more info that will help? > > I would suggest that the real problem is what blanks need to > be under the second question to suggest appropriate homework. > > Can the List reach consensus on what a short form would include? > > Kreigh > > > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > Great idea Axel! > > > > I think we could have a short forum for suggestions for the > format of a "list mineral question template". > > > > Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer to > compile the form. > > > > Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull up the > form and fill in the blanks. > > > > And if a question is submitted with less than adequate > information, use of the template can be suggested. > > Glenn > > > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who > > need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As > a tool, not > > as a rule ;-))) Axel > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Capture your memories in an online journal! > > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Sep 8 07:20:19 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Sep 8 07:20:26 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} Message-ID: That's quite a thorough question format checklist, Axel, very good. Now, these are all very good suggestions for people to keep in mind, though I don't know that anyone is really going to use these--there's still a certain large amount of tongue-in-cheek in our suggesting using these standard formats (isn't there???); because most questions can still be taken care of by a quick note back from someone, of "would you please describe that better", or "where'd you say that was from?"--you know, just a little human interchange. But going a step beyond Axel's format, since most of our questions & answers fall into pretty standard categories, we can even simplify things further by just posting a standard checklist of questions and responses; then no one will really have to write anything at all on their own, just fill in one or two blanks and click to send off a standard message or response, and save everyone a lot of time. I'll offer my first draft of helpful questions & replies: 1. Q: Anybody know about current collecting at the __________ locality and how to get to it? R: (a) Did you mean the one in Idaho or the one in Namibia? (b) I used to go there but I've forgetten exactly where it is. (c) I know but I'm not telling. (d) It's all on Tim's MAS/MILS disk. (e) You can find it described in Rockhounds Guide to ________ if you don't mind not really finding it. (f) It's easy to get to if you don't mind a 137-mile 5 mph rough bouldery road (no services). (g) Don't bother, it's all picked over and worked out. (h) No it isn't, I found a 497-carat gem piece there just last week. (i) The Forest Service closed all access to it last year. (j) It's still open but as a fee area, $399/hour plus tax (Senior Citizen and AAA discounts). (k) You can see all about it on Cash & Treasures next week. Well, there's a start. I think that covers all the possible responses to the first question. Cheers, Pete Modreski ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From timeman123 at optonline.net Sat Sep 8 08:16:30 2007 From: timeman123 at optonline.net (ROBERT A SANTEE) Date: Sat Sep 8 08:16:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] email Message-ID: <000601c7f22b$3d03e750$56ee5143@ownerfbau59hmu> To jim bean from santa barbara ca, sorry lost your email how do you like the core --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 8 08:52:50 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Sep 8 08:53:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor (?) References: <438326.61121.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000a01c7dc27$955aa750$7d61234b@LarryRush><000a01c7dd05$fd122bf0$79f8d24c@LarryRush> <002101c7e414$4d71a200$d1f8d24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000a01c7f230$52b25780$362bd64c@LarryRush> Alex's funny response about localities reminded me of an article I put together on the "old" rockhounds list, when people were much more contentious than now.... (The list moderators are doing a great job of preventing the kinds of things my joke alluded to these days!) Larry Rush Question - How many Rockhound list subscribers does it take to clean a quartz crystal? Answer - 1 to ask the group how to clean stains from quartz. 12 to share their experiences of cleaning quartz. 9 to recommend using oxalic acid to clean the quartz. 11 to recommend using sodium dithionate to clean the quartz. 18 to recommend other ways to clean the quartz. 7 to caution about the danger of using oxalic acid to clean the quartz. 12 to ask how to dispose of the used acid when cleaning quartz. 10 to recommend different ways to dispose of the acid used to clean the quartz. 23 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about cleaning the quartz. 8 to flame the ones pointing out the spelling errors. 3 to correct the spelling errors in the flamers posts. 17 to threaten to write to the list administer to complain about the flamers. 22 to point out that the subject of cleaning quartz has been discussed several times previously. 7 saying "me too" for something posted along the way. 2 to say "me three" to be cute. 16 to post URLs where one can see articles about cleaning quartz. 9 to point out that some URLs were listed incorrectly. 3 to propose that a new alt.clean.quartz newsgroup be formed. 31 to say that a newsgroup is not needed, this is what the Rockhounds Group is for. 19 to complain about the political statements in posters' signature tags. 5 to complain about the complainers of the political statements. 17 to say that they are not receiving many messages lately, is anything wrong? 17 to say that they are receiving too many messages on this list, and are unsubscribing. 5 to apologize about sending a response to the whole group instead of the questioner. 6 to post everything which has been discussed already, and to say "I agree" at the end. ---------------------- Total - 290 From corson at infodyn.com Sat Sep 8 10:54:24 2007 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Sat Sep 8 10:55:03 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Denver bound? Message-ID: <014801c7f241$4afd9fc0$610fa8c0@Grimble> Hi all, As I mentioned a few months back, I've decided to try my hand at selling minerals as a dealer. So, Monday I am on my way to Denver for what will be my first major show. Any of you who want to stop by and say hi, please do! I would enjoy meeting you. I am in the main show, Room G43, OBG International. Mention this email and receive 20% off any purchase. Cheers, Tom Corson --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Sep 8 11:45:01 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Sep 8 11:44:49 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801c7f248$5cff49b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I see your point Pete. Still for localities and determinations I believe that such form take away the hard brain-labor for the non-scientists. Things that some take for granted and logical are maybe far-fetched in the eyes of laymen. Most collectors don't have a clue to begin describing an unknown specimen and that is a fact, I'm afraid. Still, you're right about human interchange... We'll always need that. Cheers Axel PS: my favorite: (j) It's still open but as a fee area, $399/hour plus > tax (Senior Citizen and AAA discounts). > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: zaterdag 8 september 2007 15:20 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: Standard Question Format {was: Re: > [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} > > That's quite a thorough question format checklist, Axel, very good. > > Now, these are all very good suggestions for people to keep > in mind, though I don't know that anyone is really going to > use these--there's still a certain large amount of > tongue-in-cheek in our suggesting using these standard > formats (isn't there???); because most questions can still > be taken care of by a quick note back from someone, of > "would you please describe that better", or "where'd you say > that was from?"--you know, just a little human interchange. > > But going a step beyond Axel's format, since most of our > questions & answers fall into pretty standard categories, we > can even simplify things further by just posting a standard > checklist of questions and responses; then no one will > really have to write anything at all on their own, just fill > in one or two blanks and click to send off a standard > message or response, and save everyone a lot of time. I'll > offer my first draft of helpful questions & replies: > > 1. Q: Anybody know about current collecting at the __________ > locality and how to get to it? > > R: (a) Did you mean the one in Idaho or the one in Namibia? > (b) I used to go there but I've forgetten exactly where it is. > (c) I know but I'm not telling. > (d) It's all on Tim's MAS/MILS disk. > (e) You can find it described in Rockhounds Guide to > ________ if you > don't mind not really finding it. > (f) It's easy to get to if you don't mind a 137-mile > 5 mph rough > bouldery road (no services). > (g) Don't bother, it's all picked over and worked out. > (h) No it isn't, I found a 497-carat gem piece there > just last week. > (i) The Forest Service closed all access to it last year. > (j) It's still open but as a fee area, $399/hour plus > tax (Senior > Citizen and AAA discounts). > (k) You can see all about it on Cash & Treasures next week. > > Well, there's a start. I think that covers all the possible > responses to the first question. > > Cheers, Pete Modreski > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From albalmer at att.net Sat Sep 8 12:16:45 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sat Sep 8 12:16:46 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} In-Reply-To: <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:53:26 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: >Usually, a plea for help comes as a question about > >1) Technical advise in cleaning, faceting, polishing etc. >2) Locality >3) Mineral determination > >The questions of the first type are pretty recurrent (muriatic acid, saw >blades). Usually one could suffice with a referral to archived discussions? The usual approach to this is a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list, which is kept available on a web site and referred to when appropriate. It can also be posted to the list on a regular basis, though it could easily get big enough to make that undesirable. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Sep 8 13:23:09 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Sep 8 13:22:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Humor (?) References: <438326.61121.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com><000a01c7dc27$955aa750$7d61234b@LarryRush><000a01c7dd05$fd122bf0$79f8d24c@LarryRush><002101c7e414$4d71a200$d1f8d24c@LarryRush> <000a01c7f230$52b25780$362bd64c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <002301c7f256$12ad6050$6400a8c0@Junior> and of course: 1 to say "Ahhh, those were the good old days, when men were men, women were women, and sheep were nervous." Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" > Alex's funny response about localities reminded me of an article I put > together on the "old" rockhounds list, when people were much more > contentious than now.... snip > Question - How many Rockhound list subscribers does it take to clean a > quartz crystal? > > > > Answer - > > > > 1 to ask the group how to clean stains from quartz. > > > > 12 to share their experiences of cleaning quartz. > > > snipped cos man that's a long post, don't we have rules on post length anymore??? hahahahahaha From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Sep 8 18:16:19 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Sep 8 18:14:50 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire: cheap rocks! In-Reply-To: <006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook> <006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> John Siebel wrote: > For anyone who may be in the neighborhood this weekend, the Santa Barter > Faire is happening Friday 9/7 through Sunday. Santa is about 20 miles SE > of St. Maries, Idaho Hi all, Being about 1.5 hrs. from Santa, and likely the only person on the list besides John able to go, and not having seen the Siebels for a while, I decided to take a ride. The day started in the cool 60's with no clouds. I had a nice ride up to Santa. Despite John's directions I wasn't sure where to turn off, but I saw a Sheriff's dputy helping a disabled vehicle so I asked him. He said, "oh, you must want the Barter Faire, here's where you go...." and off I went. The road was unpaved and dusty, and I was behind two other vehicles, so the car got nicely floured. Windshield wipers are good for fine dust as well. As I got close to the spot, I could not believe the number of cars parked along the road. As I walked up, there were two large hand-painted signs: "NO ALCOHOL" "NO DRUGS". People were camped everywhere. John was not exaggerating, in fact he understated the case: there were more tie-dyed clothes, pot-leaf t-shirts, and water pipes in sight than has ever been at the accumulated total of all Grateful Dead concerts. I was certainly the only one there clean-shaven with a crew cut, though there was a few college kids out to see the sights (or at least I assume they were; they had on clean jeans and t-shirts and had caps on backwards). Forgive me ladies, but I also saw more bra-less women in peasant halters than I've ever seen in my life too. A number of people were playing conga drums, none of them in rhythm with each other. I should note at this point that, after looking very hard, I never did find John Siebel, and was disappointed! Back to the important part: there were about three vendors with rocks to barter or sell. One fellow had some nice loose euhedral and subhedral garnets up to 1 cm in a dish, along with some nice broken chunks of the lavender/purple star garnet rough. Not being inclined to try to orient and cab some star garnet rough, I picked some nice sharp crystals, including some twins, eight of them in all. When I started looking he had said "we can do a deal if you get a bunch of stuff," but given how things are in the world today, I was expecting the original price to be typical retail. I also bought a few pounds of knapping obsidian for one of my new neighbors who said he can't find anything to knap around here. I braced myself as I asked, "what is the total for all this?" It was ten dollars! That was a very fair price for a bag full of stuff. All in all, there was more rough than anything else; some picture stones, and some lacy agates (good lord don't ask me all the colloquial names of rocks). However these things were going for pretty low prices, with bulk discounts, and any local lapidary would have done well to stock up. Except for the garnets, there wasn't much worthwhile in mineral specimens. After buying a nice bag of rocks, I got some Chinese ginger candy and a yak sausage and yak jerky. Then I took the dusty road back. It was quite an experience, and now I know a little bit of what Woodstock must have been like. On the way home I stopped at the Elk River Country Cafe (in Elk River with a population of 170) which, believe it or not, has been voted for the best hamburger in the region, and even better, was featured in the New York Times travel section on July 1 for having the best huckleberry cobbler in the northwest! Well the fine fellow who owns the place was proud as a peacock over that one, waving the paper around. Of course that's why I made the detour, and I nodded in agreement as I rapidly spooned the tart purple cobbler into my mouth as fast as I could swallow. On the way there and back it was open range day--cows chilling in the road everywhere. While waiting for them to decide what to do, I played my music and sang songs for them. I had my Johnny Maestro CD. For the record, they seem annoyed at "The Worst That Could Happen," but are msemerized by "Welcome Me Love." Well, sorry that 95% of this was NOT about rocks, but people seem to like the colorful trip reports that others post. So there is mine! Best, Don From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Sep 8 18:54:44 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Sep 8 18:54:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire: cheap rocks! In-Reply-To: <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook> <006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46E1E3AA0002111E@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I certainly liked the post, Don. Thanks. Aloha, Kitty >John Siebel wrote: >Well, sorry that 95% of this was NOT about rocks, but people seem to >like the colorful trip reports that others post. So there is mine! > >Best, >Don From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Sep 8 19:18:37 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Sep 8 19:18:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Standard Question Format References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <002c01c7f287$bb422710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> One option is to develop several different FAQ pages. For example, FAQ's can be written for fossil ID, mineral ID, lapidary, working with chemicals, evolution and science, equipment, etc. Many of the FAQs can be compiled from archived material. Different people can use their expertise to work on FAQs. I would suggest that this be done by people who agree to work on it who can "reply all" to each other so we don't plug up the list serve with a half-dozen FAQ development committees jabbering back and forth among themselves. We have enough people who post their personal replies to everyone instead of the one person who they are trying to reach. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Balmer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:53:26 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" > wrote: > >>Usually, a plea for help comes as a question about >> >>1) Technical advise in cleaning, faceting, polishing etc. >>2) Locality >>3) Mineral determination >> >>The questions of the first type are pretty recurrent (muriatic acid, saw >>blades). Usually one could suffice with a referral to archived >>discussions? > > The usual approach to this is a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list, > which is kept available on a web site and referred to when > appropriate. It can also be posted to the list on a regular basis, > though it could easily get big enough to make that undesirable. > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Sep 8 19:44:54 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Sep 8 19:45:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Standard Question Format In-Reply-To: <002c01c7f287$bb422710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <002c01c7f287$bb422710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <46E1574E000620A1@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) When you go to: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html (which is at the bottom of every Rockhounds message) you will see that there is a FAQ page, and it says: FAQ: This page is still under construction. If you would like to assist with completing its content please contact rhladmin at drizzle.com.Alan, I think your idea (below) is a good one. People who want to contribute should do as it says, and contact rhladmin (which I believe is Julie). I have already volunteered to serve as collector, editor, writer, whatever. Let's do it! Aloha, Kitty At 04:18 PM 9/8/2007, you wrote: One option is to develop several different FAQ pages. For example, FAQ's can be written for fossil ID, mineral ID, lapidary, working with chemicals, evolution and science, equipment, etc. Many of the FAQs can be compiled from archived material. Different people can use their expertise to work on FAQs. I would suggest that this be done by people who agree to work on it who can {quot}reply all{quot} to each other so we don't plug up the list serve with a half-dozen FAQ development committees jabbering back and forth among themselves. We have enough people who post their personal replies to everyone instead of the one person who they are trying to reach. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Sep 8 19:52:54 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Sep 8 19:52:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone with the ability to use Microsoft Word could create you a form. --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > Great idea Axel! > > I think we could have a short forum for suggestions > for the format of a "list mineral question > template". > > Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer > to compile the form. > > Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull > up the form and fill in the blanks. > > And if a question is submitted with less than > adequate information, use of the template can be > suggested. > Glenn > > > > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, > for people who need help about minerals... Hey, why > don't we make one? As a tool, not as a rule ;-))) > Axel > _________________________________________________________________ > Capture your memories in an online journal! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Sep 8 20:26:47 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Sep 8 20:28:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire: cheap rocks! References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook><006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002001c7f291$47cff820$0200a8c0@Notebook> Really sorry to miss you Don! Nice trip report. I was at the Barter Faire from 11:30-1:00. Then hit the store and did another round at 2:00 hoping to find you. As I said in an off-list post to you, I traded some junk rock for a nice quartz piece of unknown origin and a chunk of gold ore/quartz/pyrite from the Pogo Mine, Delta Junction, Alaska. Adam, the guy I traded with, worked at the Pogo Mine and now works at Emerald Creek Garnet (Idaho). He has offered to take us to some secret sites to find some golfball-sized six star almandine garnets (he showed me several). Adam was one of the 87 guys there in a tie dyed t-shirt. I also noted a bunch of petrified wood for sale of unknown provenance. I guess that was my biggest problem - nice specimens of unknown origin. As you said, it was a beautiful day and you should really hang out for the drum circle/hippie swirly dancing on Saturday night. Personally, I'm too old for it. I also bought a bag of Yak jerky. These folks live right down the road from us and supply us with yak manure for the garden, Done blithering and sorry to stray off topic - John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Sep 8 21:05:26 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Sep 8 20:58:46 2007 Subject: FAQ Page {was:Re: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic}} References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46E36F70.773F@Tomaszewski.net> Al Balmer wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:53:26 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" > wrote: > > >Usually, a plea for help comes as a question about > > > >1) Technical advise in cleaning, faceting, polishing etc. > >2) Locality > >3) Mineral determination > > > >The questions of the first type are pretty recurrent (muriatic acid, saw > >blades). Usually one could suffice with a referral to archived discussions? > > The usual approach to this is a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list, > which is kept available on a web site and referred to when > appropriate. It can also be posted to the list on a regular basis, > though it could easily get big enough to make that undesirable. > The List has an empty FAQ page that needs someone to write up common questions and answers. The Admin Team would welcome submissions posted to the list. Kreigh From donhalterman at verizon.net Sat Sep 8 21:10:59 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sat Sep 8 21:09:21 2007 Subject: FAQ Page {was:Re: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic}} In-Reply-To: <46E36F70.773F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E36F70.773F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46E37253.5010703@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > The List has an empty FAQ page that needs someone to write up common > questions and answers. The Admin Team would welcome submissions posted > to the list. Not to belabor the point, but there will always be new people--or even veteran people--who manage to name a general locality without specific qualifiers. I think we've all done it. Despite our best hopes, most people don't read a FAQ when they join a list. So, until we find a better method to avoid it, when someone posts a message regarding "smoky quartz from Little Creek" or whatever, someone can politely remind them that localities require specific info like state/county/city etc. We were all new once. Hell I'd be embarrassed to see some of my old posts from 10 years ago. Best to all, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Sep 8 22:21:06 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Sep 8 22:21:13 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46E382BB.3D5E@Tomaszewski.net> I still think the best solution would be to develop an Artificial Intelligence computer application that could play '20 questions' with a rockhound to identify any mineral or location. By capturing our shared expertise into an AI application we could all benefit from the best expert advice and the right questions being asked. We need to make any forms smart. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Usually, a plea for help comes as a question about > > 1) Technical advise in cleaning, faceting, polishing etc. > 2) Locality > 3) Mineral determination > > The questions of the first type are pretty recurrent (muriatic acid, saw > blades). Usually one could suffice with a referral to archived discussions? > > The questions about localities could be handled like: > > =================================================== > I have a mineral of which I would like to have the complete finding place. > The label says: > > Mineral: ......................... > Accompanying minerals: .......................... > .......................... > .......................... > .......................... > Mine/Quarry/finding place ........................ > City/Near/Mining district ........................ > County/Region .......................... > State/Province .......................... > Country .......................... > > =================================================== > > Questions about mineral determination could be handled like > > ==================================================== > You found the specimen at: > > Mine/Quarry/finding place ........................ > City/Near/Mining district ........................ > County/Region .......................... > State/Province .......................... > Country .......................... > > You observed these properties (delete what is clearly not true): > > Luster: metallic, greasy, very shiny, rather shiny, dull, earthy > > Diaphanous?: Transparent, translucent, opaque > > Hardness: > The mineral scratches glass > I can scratch the mineral with my fingernails, with a knife .... Etc > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan. > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > Specific weight: very light, light, heavy, very heavy > > Streak/powder color (use same names as above): > > Fluorescence under Long Wave: > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > Fluorescence under Mid Wave: > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > Fluorescence under Short Wave: > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan, None. > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, pinkish, orange > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > Phosphorescence: > > Long wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > Mid wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > Short wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, brown, > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > ============================================================================ > > Care to expand/comment? > > Cheers > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > > Tomaszewski > > Verzonden: zaterdag 8 september 2007 6:47 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] > > netiquette topic} > > > > OK, great idea. What should the template look like? > > > > I have a question about ______. > > > > So far I have figured out ______. > > > > I am really trying to find out ______. > > > > Does anyone have more info that will help? > > > > I would suggest that the real problem is what blanks need to > > be under the second question to suggest appropriate homework. > > > > Can the List reach consensus on what a short form would include? > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > Great idea Axel! > > > > > > I think we could have a short forum for suggestions for the > > format of a "list mineral question template". > > > > > > Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer to > > compile the form. > > > > > > Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull up the > > form and fill in the blanks. > > > > > > And if a question is submitted with less than adequate > > information, use of the template can be suggested. > > > Glenn > > > > > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > > > > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who > > > need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As > > a tool, not > > > as a rule ;-))) Axel From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Sep 8 22:36:46 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Sep 8 22:36:55 2007 Subject: FAQ Page {was:Re: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic}} References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E36F70.773F@Tomaszewski.net> <46E37253.5010703@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46E38665.183E@Tomaszewski.net> Don, I would prefer not to look at some of my old posts too, but they are all in the List Archives, along with a lot of gems of knowledge. Hopefully most of the old posts will be missed by people looking for specific information. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > The List has an empty FAQ page that needs someone to write up common > > questions and answers. The Admin Team would welcome submissions posted > > to the list. > > Not to belabor the point, but there will always be new people--or even > veteran people--who manage to name a general locality without specific > qualifiers. I think we've all done it. Despite our best hopes, most > people don't read a FAQ when they join a list. So, until we find a > better method to avoid it, when someone posts a message regarding "smoky > quartz from Little Creek" or whatever, someone can politely remind them > that localities require specific info like state/county/city etc. We > were all new once. Hell I'd be embarrassed to see some of my old posts > from 10 years ago. > > Best to all, > Don > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Sep 9 09:15:39 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Sep 9 09:15:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire: cheap rocks! In-Reply-To: <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook><006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000f01c7f2fc$a9d8da30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Don, Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed this one immensely ;-))) I'll look up Johnny Maestro on i-Tunes. I've been wielding cows on this list but never before have I even considered playing music for them. Please keep us posted if the music of this artist has any effect on the quality of dairy products in Idaho. I've been in a similar situation in Austria. Noticing that you are in the wrong valley after climbing 1200 meters in 8 kilometers of wading through cow dung is not relaxing. Did you know that it's always the cow wearing the large bell that attacks you? (It is, really!) If memory serves me, we went looking for the same locality the day after and found ourselves (after misleading directions from a local farmer) on the wrong side of a gorgeous but DEEP gorge on a cattle trail. Did you know that cows have no fear of heights? They won't cross a bridge unless it has a roof and walls (hence Madison County) but they do not hesitate to tread on a narrow ledge protruding from a near vertical cliff of several hundred meters high. My wife decided there and then that no mineral is worth dying for so we returned empty handed. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 2:16 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Santa Barter Faire: cheap rocks! > > John Siebel wrote: > > > For anyone who may be in the neighborhood this weekend, the Santa > > Barter Faire is happening Friday 9/7 through Sunday. Santa > is about 20 > > miles SE of St. Maries, Idaho > > Hi all, > > Being about 1.5 hrs. from Santa, and likely the only person > on the list besides John able to go, and not having seen the > Siebels for a while, I decided to take a ride. > > The day started in the cool 60's with no clouds. I had a > nice ride up to Santa. Despite John's directions I wasn't > sure where to turn off, but I saw a Sheriff's dputy helping a > disabled vehicle so I asked him. > He said, "oh, you must want the Barter Faire, here's where > you go...." > and off I went. > > The road was unpaved and dusty, and I was behind two other > vehicles, so the car got nicely floured. Windshield wipers > are good for fine dust as well. As I got close to the spot, > I could not believe the number of cars parked along the road. > As I walked up, there were two large hand-painted signs: "NO > ALCOHOL" "NO DRUGS". People were camped everywhere. John > was not exaggerating, in fact he understated the case: > there were more tie-dyed clothes, pot-leaf t-shirts, and > water pipes > in sight than has ever been at the accumulated total of > all Grateful Dead concerts. I was certainly the only one > there clean-shaven with a crew cut, though there was a few > college kids out to see the sights (or at least I assume they > were; they had on clean jeans and t-shirts and had caps on > backwards). Forgive me ladies, but I also saw more bra-less > women in peasant halters than I've ever seen in my life too. > A number of people were playing conga drums, none of them in > rhythm with each other. I should note at this point that, > after looking very hard, I never did find John Siebel, and > was disappointed! > > Back to the important part: there were about three vendors > with rocks to barter or sell. One fellow had some nice loose > euhedral and subhedral garnets up to 1 cm in a dish, along > with some nice broken chunks of the lavender/purple star > garnet rough. Not being inclined to try to orient and cab > some star garnet rough, I picked some nice sharp crystals, > including some twins, eight of them in all. When I started > looking he had said "we can do a deal if you get a bunch of > stuff," but given how things are in the world today, I was > expecting the original price to be typical retail. I also > bought a few pounds of knapping obsidian for one of my new > neighbors who said he can't find anything to knap around here. > I braced myself as I asked, "what is the total for all > this?" It was ten dollars! That was a very fair price for a > bag full of stuff. > > All in all, there was more rough than anything else; some > picture stones, and some lacy agates (good lord don't ask me > all the colloquial names of rocks). However these things > were going for pretty low prices, with bulk discounts, and > any local lapidary would have done well to stock up. Except > for the garnets, there wasn't much worthwhile in mineral specimens. > > After buying a nice bag of rocks, I got some Chinese ginger > candy and a yak sausage and yak jerky. Then I took the dusty > road back. It was quite an experience, and now I know a > little bit of what Woodstock must have been like. > > On the way home I stopped at the Elk River Country Cafe (in > Elk River with a population of 170) which, believe it or not, > has been voted for the best hamburger in the region, and even > better, was featured in the New York Times travel section on > July 1 for having the best huckleberry cobbler in the > northwest! Well the fine fellow who owns the place was proud > as a peacock over that one, waving the paper around. Of > course that's why I made the detour, and I nodded in > agreement as I rapidly spooned the tart purple cobbler into > my mouth as fast as I could swallow. > > On the way there and back it was open range day--cows > chilling in the road everywhere. While waiting for them to > decide what to do, I played my music and sang songs for them. > I had my Johnny Maestro CD. For the record, they seem > annoyed at "The Worst That Could Happen," but are msemerized > by "Welcome Me Love." > > Well, sorry that 95% of this was NOT about rocks, but people > seem to like the colorful trip reports that others post. So > there is mine! > > Best, > Don > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Sep 9 09:34:30 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Sep 9 09:34:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c7f2ff$4bf750b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> There is also the VERY cheap but very effective Coffee Cup software. http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. I use it to make flash animations (go see http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don Newsome). Less options than Macromedia flash but it'll save you 1000$. While you're there: each time you press F5 or "refresh" there is another animation playing. There's one from Idaho, a topaz from Boise county). Teresa and Glenn: > Anyone with the ability to use Microsoft Word could create you a form. > --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > Great idea Axel! > > > > I think we could have a short forum for suggestions for the > format of > > a "list mineral question template". > > > > Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer to compile the > > form. > > > > Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull up the > form and > > fill in the blanks. > > > > And if a question is submitted with less than adequate information, > > use of the template can be suggested. > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people who > > need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As > a tool, not > > as a rule ;-))) Axel > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Capture your memories in an online journal! > > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From albalmer at att.net Sun Sep 9 10:46:39 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:46:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <001001c7f2ff$4bf750b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001001c7f2ff$4bf750b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: >There is also the VERY cheap but very effective Coffee Cup software. >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. >I use it to make flash animations (go see http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I made >those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don Newsome). Less options than >Macromedia flash but it'll save you 1000$. >While you're there: each time you press F5 or "refresh" there is another >animation playing. There's one from Idaho, a topaz from Boise county). One problem with Flash is that many people (like me) have it disabled by default. Not that it's a bad technology, but 99% of Flash is highly obnoxious advertising. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From johnsnml at comcast.net Sun Sep 9 07:56:02 2007 From: johnsnml at comcast.net (Margaret Johnson) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:55:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs Message-ID: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML> It would be good to go with someone who has been there before. There is a field trip there 09/22 ? Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock Club? Little Nachese? 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats ? Agate, Thundereggs? Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. Peg J --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Sep 9 10:59:37 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Sep 9 10:59:26 2007 Subject: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} In-Reply-To: <46E382BB.3D5E@Tomaszewski.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net><008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net><000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E382BB.3D5E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001501c7f30b$30034920$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Good idea, Kreigh. Something along those lines already exists on the Photo-Atlas of Minerals (produced by the Gem & Mineral Council, Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History). Maybe for the absolute beginners: Mineral Mastery Pro can be downloaded free and contains 180 of the most "popular" minerals. If you can find it in the field and it's large enough to be reckognized as a distinct mineral chances are good that it's in there. http://www.chez.com/mineralzine/pages/soft2.htm You can expand it yourself... Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 6:21 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: Standard Question Format {was: Re: > [Rockhounds] netiquette topic} > > I still think the best solution would be to develop an > Artificial Intelligence computer application that could play > '20 questions' with a rockhound to identify any mineral or > location. By capturing our shared expertise into an AI > application we could all benefit from the best expert advice > and the right questions being asked. We need to make any forms smart. > > Kreigh > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Usually, a plea for help comes as a question about > > > > 1) Technical advise in cleaning, faceting, polishing etc. > > 2) Locality > > 3) Mineral determination > > > > The questions of the first type are pretty recurrent > (muriatic acid, > > saw blades). Usually one could suffice with a referral to > archived discussions? > > > > The questions about localities could be handled like: > > > > =================================================== > > I have a mineral of which I would like to have the complete > finding place. > > The label says: > > > > Mineral: ......................... > > Accompanying minerals: .......................... > > .......................... > > .......................... > > .......................... > > Mine/Quarry/finding place ........................ > > City/Near/Mining district ........................ > > County/Region .......................... > > State/Province .......................... > > Country .......................... > > > > =================================================== > > > > Questions about mineral determination could be handled like > > > > ==================================================== > > You found the specimen at: > > > > Mine/Quarry/finding place ........................ > > City/Near/Mining district ........................ > > County/Region .......................... > > State/Province .......................... > > Country .......................... > > > > You observed these properties (delete what is clearly not true): > > > > Luster: metallic, greasy, very shiny, rather shiny, dull, earthy > > > > Diaphanous?: Transparent, translucent, opaque > > > > Hardness: > > The mineral scratches glass > > I can scratch the mineral with my fingernails, with a knife .... Etc > > > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan. > > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, > pinkish, orange > > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > > > Specific weight: very light, light, heavy, very heavy > > > > Streak/powder color (use same names as above): > > > > Fluorescence under Long Wave: > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, > pinkish, orange > > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > > > Fluorescence under Mid Wave: > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, > pinkish, orange > > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > > > Fluorescence under Short Wave: > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan, None. > > Tint: yellowish, greenish, bluish, reddish, brownish, > pinkish, orange > > Saturation: Pale, medium, deep > > > > Phosphorescence: > > > > Long wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > > > Mid wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > > > Short wave: flash, seconds, >10 sec, >30 sec, > 1 min, hours > > Color: White, black, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, > violet, brown, > > purple, pink, tan, NONE. > > > > > ====================================================================== > > ====== > > > > Care to expand/comment? > > > > Cheers > > > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > > > Tomaszewski > > > Verzonden: zaterdag 8 september 2007 6:47 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Standard Question Format {was: Re: [Rockhounds] > > > netiquette topic} > > > > > > OK, great idea. What should the template look like? > > > > > > I have a question about ______. > > > > > > So far I have figured out ______. > > > > > > I am really trying to find out ______. > > > > > > Does anyone have more info that will help? > > > > > > I would suggest that the real problem is what blanks need to be > > > under the second question to suggest appropriate homework. > > > > > > Can the List reach consensus on what a short form would include? > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > > > > > Great idea Axel! > > > > > > > > I think we could have a short forum for suggestions for the > > > format of a "list mineral question template". > > > > > > > > Then someone with secretarial skills could volunteer to > > > compile the form. > > > > > > > > Then if one of us has a mineral question he can pull up the > > > form and fill in the blanks. > > > > > > > > And if a question is submitted with less than adequate > > > information, use of the template can be suggested. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be > > > > > > > > There should be some kind of questionnaire, a form, for people > > > > who need help about minerals... Hey, why don't we make one? As > > > a tool, not > > > > as a rule ;-))) Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Sep 9 11:06:00 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Sep 9 11:05:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: References: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001c7f2ff$4bf750b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <001701c7f30c$13ef5e80$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Al Balmer > Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" > wrote: > > >There is also the VERY cheap but very effective Coffee Cup software. > >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. > >I use it to make flash animations (go see > http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don Newsome). Less options > >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you 1000$. > >While you're there: each time you press F5 or "refresh" there is > >another animation playing. There's one from Idaho, a topaz > from Boise county). > > One problem with Flash is that many people (like me) have it > disabled by default. Not that it's a bad technology, but 99% > of Flash is highly obnoxious advertising. > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Sep 9 11:22:50 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Sep 9 11:22:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs References: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML> Message-ID: <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> What state is this taking place in? Near what town or city? Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Johnson To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs It would be good to go with someone who has been there before. There is a field trip there 09/22 ? Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock Club? Little Nachese? 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats ? Agate, Thundereggs? Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. Peg J --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Sun Sep 9 11:42:35 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sun Sep 9 11:42:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rocks from Somalia In-Reply-To: <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1><005901c7f0c5$21838740$0200a8c0@Notebook><006201c7f0cc$f668b3c0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <46E34963.8090808@verizon.net> Message-ID: <05d601c7f311$311609f0$6b01a8c0@okapi> The Dot has FINALLY gotten a teaching gig after one year without a job (DON'T get me started on the Minneapolis public school systems, PLEASE!). Anyway, it's a neat job at a Somalian charter school teaching 4th grade. Only 18 kids in her class (!) and a 1/2 time aid to help out (!!!). One of the first units she'll be teaching is geology. As long-time readers know, The Dot loves rocks as much as I do, so it won't be much of a problem getting some neat stuff together (special thanks to Kitty for the wonderful material from Hawaii!) But... We have nothing from Somalia (go figure). Does anyone have anything they might be able to spare? I'm not looking for killer stuff at all...just something to show these kids from their old country. (BTW, some one these kids have come straight from refugee camps to class.) Free copy of the MasMils disk to anyone who can help out! Thanks much! Gary Catspaw Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of the MasMils/PLUS disk From nospam at orerockon.com Sun Sep 9 11:52:17 2007 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Sep 9 11:50:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs In-Reply-To: <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> References: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML> <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <200709091850.l89Iod7a032152@bubbleator.drizzle.com> The title contains WA. Peg's answer told you the town (Enumclaw). At 11:22 AM 9/9/2007, you wrote: >What state is this taking place in? Near what town or city? > >Erich Kern >Murrieta, CA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Margaret Johnson >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:56 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs > > >It would be good to go with someone who has been >there before. There is a field trip >there 09/22 ? Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock >Club? Little Nachese? 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats ? >Agate, Thundereggs? Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 > >http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm > >The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going >there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at >the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. > >Peg J Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From jerrybs at frii.com Sun Sep 9 12:13:34 2007 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sun Sep 9 12:34:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs In-Reply-To: <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> References: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML> <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <20070909193413.BD7D211B4048@mail.frii.com> near Yakima, WA Jerry WA At 11:22 AM 9/9/07, you wrote: >What state is this taking place in? Near what town or city? > >Erich Kern >Murrieta, CA > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Margaret Johnson >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:56 AM >Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs > > >It would be good to go with someone who has been >there before. There is a field trip >there 09/22 ? Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock >Club? Little Nachese? 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats ? >Agate, Thundereggs? Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 > >http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm > >The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going >there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at >the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. > >Peg J -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/07 10:17 AM From dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca Sun Sep 9 12:52:22 2007 From: dmichaelschmidt at shaw.ca (michael schmidt) Date: Sun Sep 9 12:49:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs References: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML> <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> <20070909193413.BD7D211B4048@mail.frii.com> Message-ID: <008d01c7f31a$efee7570$64575318@johnny> I didn't know there was a Yakima in Western Australia?? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs > near Yakima, WA > > Jerry > WA > > > At 11:22 AM 9/9/07, you wrote: > > > > >What state is this taking place in? Near what town or city? > > > >Erich Kern > >Murrieta, CA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Margaret Johnson > >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:56 AM > >Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs > > > > > >It would be good to go with someone who has been > >there before. There is a field trip > >there 09/22 ? Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock > >Club? Little Nachese? 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats ? > >Agate, Thundereggs? Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 > > > >http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm > > > >The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going > >there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at > >the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. > > > >Peg J > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/07 10:17 AM > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From gkoshman at sasktel.net Sun Sep 9 13:05:30 2007 From: gkoshman at sasktel.net (Gerry Koshman) Date: Sun Sep 9 13:06:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 16" slab Saw Message-ID: <003301c7f31c$c60b6d60$52224820$@net> Hi there, I'm going to have to bite the bullet and sell one of my saws. I thought I would put it out to the Rockhound community before I put it on Ebay. It is a very well built and very heavy saw that would have to be picked up in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan Canada as it could not be shipped. If anyone is interested please contact me off list at gkoshman@sasktel.net/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 9 13:20:14 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 9 13:18:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs References: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML> <005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <46E454FB.2884@Tomaszewski.net> The Subject says it is in WA and the last sentence indicates it is near Enumclaw. Erich Kern wrote: > > What state is this taking place in? Near what town or city? > > Erich Kern > Murrieta, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Johnson > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:56 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs > > It would be good to go with someone who has been there before. There is a field trip there 09/22 ? Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock Club? Little Nachese? 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats ? Agate, Thundereggs? Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 > > http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm > > The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. > > Peg J > From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Sep 9 13:50:43 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Sep 9 13:50:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs References: <000701c7f2f1$8de78930$85e31118@JOHNSNML><005f01c7f30e$6f1b4ba0$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> <46E454FB.2884@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <007001c7f323$1771d710$f8fdf604@TheBlackAdder> Had it been spelled WA rather than wa. the meaning would have been just a wee bit clearer. Maybe little naches is actually a town called Little Naches? If everything is in lower case type, it's difficult to tell. How many people know Enumclaw is a town? The context is that it is a Ranger Station, so it might have been the name of a mountain, creek or Indian Tribe. Trying not to beat a dead horse, but weren't list members recently discussing the clarity with which locations are designated? Sorry about my nit picking, this list has by far the greatest members of any list I've subscribed to. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA..... now if I typed ca. instead of CA, someone might think murrieta is a town in Canada. See what I mean? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs The Subject says it is in WA and the last sentence indicates it is near Enumclaw. Erich Kern wrote: > > What state is this taking place in? Near what town or city? > > Erich Kern > Murrieta, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Johnson > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:56 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs > > It would be good to go with someone who has been there before. There is a field trip there 09/22 - Sponsored by the Kitsap Rock Club- Little Nachese- 9:00 AM at Kaner Flats - Agate, Thundereggs- Terry Iversen (360)698-0360 > > http://www.mineralcouncil.org/field.htm > > The Pullaup Gem & Mineral Club will be going there this Sat. If interested in going Meet at the Enumclaw Ranger Station at 9:00 am. > > Peg J > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From johnsnml at comcast.net Sun Sep 9 14:48:23 2007 From: johnsnml at comcast.net (Margaret Johnson) Date: Sun Sep 9 14:48:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs Message-ID: <002201c7f32b$261e9430$85e31118@JOHNSNML> My response was to the ? from Bobby & Courtney Walker, I figured they would know what I was talking about. A little better clarification, Little Naches is a river in the Cascade Mts . near Yakima, WA (Washington). There is a Ranger Station in the town of Enumclaw, King Co., WA, which is in Western WA. This Ranger Station is well known place to meet and go over the Cascade Mts. to the Little Naches River Area. Hope this clarifies the issue. If anyone has any other ? Just ask. Peg J --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From RCasmier at aol.com Sun Sep 9 15:05:38 2007 From: RCasmier at aol.com (RCasmier@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 9 15:05:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs Message-ID: Enumclaw is on the West side of Mt Rainier. Naches is on the East side of Mt Rainier and West of Yakima. The Puyallup club will drive South from Puyallup to Enumclaw, then over White Pass to Naches. Richard Casmier ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 15:35:27 2007 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Sep 9 15:35:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Sheep? You stole that joke from Message-ID: <759390.17019.qm@web56302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> my wife, who had a tee shirt that says "I'm from West Virginia where men are men and sheep are nervous". She gave it to a friend, also from WV a long long time ago, who unfortunately wore it in front of my mother-in-law, who was an english teacher with -12.4 E-12 sense of humor. And who insisted on an explanation of the joke...didn't think that was funny at all!! And the long post about how many it takes, I agree totally! It could stand to be a little longer, really. No. Really!! ;-) JR in WV --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 17:12:47 2007 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Sun Sep 9 17:12:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update In-Reply-To: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: Alan, Thanks for the update on the KY fluorspar district and your continued efforts on behalf of the museum AND helping to create some wonderful new field collecting opportunities. After the good experiences that I had on three of the trips that you organized, I soon will be leading my second trip to Marion, KY over the Columbus Day weekend (first weekend in October). Rockhounds list members - I have space available for more people so if anyone on the list is interested in joining our group please contact me off list and I will email you an outline of our plans. All I require is that you be a member of a local mineral club that carries federation insurance. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 9/6/07, Alan Goldstein wrote: > > I've organized a few trips to the KY side of the IL-KY fluorspar district > via this list serve over the past several years. The Clement Museum is now > handling all the arrangements and have groups several weekends per month > from late March ending with deer hunting season in early November. Because > of the success of this program, the museum is not having the financial > difficulties it was in several years ago. I want to thank everyone who has > supported those digs - and had fun in the process! A group from Evansville > is scheduled to dig this weekend and towards the end of the month a very > large group from Georgia is coming up. > > Bill Frazer & I checked out another possible collecting area yesterday, on > the Big Four fault system. I'm not optimistic that it will pan out. I picked > up some 'gravel spar' (crystalline fluorite on the surface), but that > doesn't always mean ground crystals are just below. > > Bill showed me some work he has done at the Columbia mine. He had the > fluorescent mineral dump turned yesterday and I pointed out an overgrown > rock pile that has been very productive for me over the past five years at > the Eureka. (One miniature specimen can have goods crystals of fluorite, > quartz, calcite, sphalerite and smithsonite on it!) We also determined that > some dumps on the fault associated with the Mary Belle mine are on his > property and that he will dig into them. The Mary Belle is not on his land. > (He showed me an open shaft dug in the 1940's. Judging from the time it > takes the rock to hit the bottom of the shaft, it is about 50' deep. No > water. Needless to say, he doesn't want anyone wandering up the hill any > more!) > > I was down there to pick up a dump truck load of material from the old > Ozark-Mahoning dumps in Rosiclare. It is nice having access to a dual axle > dump truck! We now have 15 tons of material for the Fossil Festival at the > Falls of the Ohio State Park on the 15th & 16th of this month. For the > diehard mineral collector, it may not be worth looking at, but for our > typical festival attendee the yellow and purple fluorite, barite, calcite > and sphalerite will be very popular. I anticipate the pile will be as > popular as the fossil piles. We have water there so people can wash off the > material. In addition, the rock is generally small enough that the use of > rock hammers isn't necessary. For liability reasons, we do not let people > use rock hammers on the piles during the event. There are too many people > packed in! > > The best fluorite is at Hastie Quarry. Unfortunately it is still > OFF-LIMITS to collectors. However, I talked to them and they are willing to > sell a quantity of low grade ore (the bedding replaced limestone with > crystal vugs) which can be trucked over to the grounds of the museum for > collectors to split. It will prboably cost about as much as it did to rent > the track hoe. The material can be very nice because the purple and yellow > crystals are fresh, clean and often lustrous. They aren't big (typically > under 1 cm wide). I am working with Bill so that we can organize a dig at > the museum with Hastie fluorite. Just a reminder for those visiting the > Illinois side of the district, don't bother asking at Hastie Quarry - that > just irritates them! Trespassing is worse and is the main reason why they > closed all access to their property. > > I'll be down there again in mid October to do more collecting. > > Alan G. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Sep 9 18:44:54 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Sep 9 18:44:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update References: <001f01c7f0f3$f2500c80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <002401c7f34c$2fb14800$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Having beaten the bushes over the years, finding additional good places to dig in the fluorspar district is possible, but not easy. There are a number of mine sites in the area with great potential. The problem is convincing land owners that turning rock piles and digging trenches is good for local tourism. All it takes is a couple of people to trespass and years of development can be undone instantly. Moving Hastie mineral piles is the only practical approach to getting some nice crystal pockets from Cave in Rock into collectors hands. I see no indication from Don that they will change their access policy. Like any business, if they can make money off their ore they will sell it. It doesn't matter to them whether it goes to a chemical company or a geology club. The ferry at Cave in Rock has new weight restrictions that make transporting material from Cave in Rock to the Clement Museum a bit more challenging. No more dual or triaxle dump trucks going across the river! If we could get the American Fluorite Museum interested (something I've tried to do for several years without success), it might be possible to turn the dumps at the Annabel Lee mine. They are so picked over it is hardly worth the effort these days - but who knows what lies beneath a couple feet of cemented aggregate. The Denton mine dumps are untouched, but according to Eric Livingston (the former Ozark-Mahoning geologist), the land owners are so suspicous, they don't want to sell the contents of the mine dump even to get it off their property. I suppose someone else could track them down to talk to them. Maybe the land owners don't like anyone associated with O-M company because they didn't want a mine on their property to begin with! Who knows? I know of other productive locations for fluorite collecting in Hardin and Pope Co., Illinois that I have visited in the past. However, I don't live in the area and tracking down / talking to land owners is not practical for me at this time. Perhaps there is someone else in the area willing to carry that banner. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Martin" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] fluorspar district update > Alan, > Thanks for the update on the KY fluorspar district and your continued > efforts on behalf of the museum AND helping to create some wonderful new > field collecting opportunities. After the good experiences that I had on > three of the trips that you organized, I soon will be leading my second > trip > to Marion, KY over the Columbus Day weekend (first weekend in October). > > Rockhounds list members - I have space available for more people so if > anyone on the list is interested in joining our group please contact me > off > list and I will email you an outline of our plans. All I require is that > you be a member of a local mineral club that carries federation insurance. > best regards, > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > > On 9/6/07, Alan Goldstein wrote: >> >> I've organized a few trips to the KY side of the IL-KY fluorspar district >> via this list serve over the past several years. The Clement Museum is >> now >> handling all the arrangements and have groups several weekends per month >> from late March ending with deer hunting season in early November. >> Because >> of the success of this program, the museum is not having the financial >> difficulties it was in several years ago. I want to thank everyone who >> has >> supported those digs - and had fun in the process! A group from >> Evansville >> is scheduled to dig this weekend and towards the end of the month a very >> large group from Georgia is coming up. >> >> Bill Frazer & I checked out another possible collecting area yesterday, >> on >> the Big Four fault system. I'm not optimistic that it will pan out. I >> picked >> up some 'gravel spar' (crystalline fluorite on the surface), but that >> doesn't always mean ground crystals are just below. >> >> Bill showed me some work he has done at the Columbia mine. He had the >> fluorescent mineral dump turned yesterday and I pointed out an overgrown >> rock pile that has been very productive for me over the past five years >> at >> the Eureka. (One miniature specimen can have goods crystals of fluorite, >> quartz, calcite, sphalerite and smithsonite on it!) We also determined >> that >> some dumps on the fault associated with the Mary Belle mine are on his >> property and that he will dig into them. The Mary Belle is not on his >> land. >> (He showed me an open shaft dug in the 1940's. Judging from the time it >> takes the rock to hit the bottom of the shaft, it is about 50' deep. No >> water. Needless to say, he doesn't want anyone wandering up the hill any >> more!) >> >> I was down there to pick up a dump truck load of material from the old >> Ozark-Mahoning dumps in Rosiclare. It is nice having access to a dual >> axle >> dump truck! We now have 15 tons of material for the Fossil Festival at >> the >> Falls of the Ohio State Park on the 15th & 16th of this month. For the >> diehard mineral collector, it may not be worth looking at, but for our >> typical festival attendee the yellow and purple fluorite, barite, calcite >> and sphalerite will be very popular. I anticipate the pile will be as >> popular as the fossil piles. We have water there so people can wash off >> the >> material. In addition, the rock is generally small enough that the use of >> rock hammers isn't necessary. For liability reasons, we do not let people >> use rock hammers on the piles during the event. There are too many people >> packed in! >> >> The best fluorite is at Hastie Quarry. Unfortunately it is still >> OFF-LIMITS to collectors. However, I talked to them and they are willing >> to >> sell a quantity of low grade ore (the bedding replaced limestone with >> crystal vugs) which can be trucked over to the grounds of the museum for >> collectors to split. It will prboably cost about as much as it did to >> rent >> the track hoe. The material can be very nice because the purple and >> yellow >> crystals are fresh, clean and often lustrous. They aren't big (typically >> under 1 cm wide). I am working with Bill so that we can organize a dig at >> the museum with Hastie fluorite. Just a reminder for those visiting the >> Illinois side of the district, don't bother asking at Hastie Quarry - >> that >> just irritates them! Trespassing is worse and is the main reason why they >> closed all access to their property. >> >> I'll be down there again in mid October to do more collecting. >> >> Alan G. >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 18:51:07 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 9 18:51:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip Message-ID: Nice reports. Brings back lots of memories from the hippie era, my college days. Sounds like most were more interested in trades and connections for more dope than minerals. We saw several of the type in Hana, Maui when we were there a couple of years ago. Sounds like ya'll sorted through and found some cool rocks. And I had to go get myself a snack after reading about the burgers and cobbler. BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but very busy welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. If any of you will be in that area or know of any rock shows there then, we can probably get loose at least some. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo? 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It?s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live?. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Sep 9 19:16:35 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Sep 9 19:14:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E4A903.50106@verizon.net> Glenn Wimpee wrote: > BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but very busy welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. LOL so where is SLC? Don From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 19:28:03 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 9 19:28:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] FAQ Creation (Was: Standard Question Format) In-Reply-To: <46E1574E000620A1@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <002c01c7f287$bb422710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <46E1574E000620A1@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: IMHO, I think we are really on to a good thing here! Alex's proposal, Alan's suggestion of several FAQ lists, several other favorable good suggestions, and Kitty has volunteered to compile the lists. I agree with Kitty's comment: Lets do it! As a start, if you would like to contribute to any specific FAQ list, why not post which you care to work on, and Kitty can make email lists specific to each FAQ subject? Glenn http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html (which is at the bottom of every Rockhounds message)you will see that there is a FAQ page, and it says: FAQ: This page is still under construction. If you would like to assist with completing its content please contact rhladmin at drizzle.com.Alan, I think your idea (below) is a good one. People who want to contribute should do as it says, and contact rhladmin (which I believe is Julie). I have already volunteered to serve as collector, editor, writer, whatever. Let's do it! Aloha, Kitty One option is to develop several different FAQ pages. For example, FAQ's can be written for fossil ID, mineral ID, lapidary, working with chemicals, evolution and science, equipment, etc. Many of the FAQs can be compiled from archived material. Different people can use their expertise to work on FAQs. I would suggest that this be done by people who agree to work on it who can {quot}reply all{quot} to each other so we don't plug up the list serve with a half-dozen FAQ development committees jabbering back and forth among themselves. We have enough people who post their personal replies to everyone instead of the one person who they are trying to reach. Alan _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Sep 9 19:31:55 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Sep 9 19:33:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip References: <46E4A903.50106@verizon.net> Message-ID: <004601c7f352$c6b09e80$0200a8c0@Notebook> I'm guessing Salt Lake City, Utah, USA. Really folks, not to be a pain, but locations are pretty important to rockhounds. Let's try to be specific. I'm currently fretting over some specimens that weren't labeled with location. They're nice items, but without proper provenance, they might as well be yard rocks. I hope not to lose sleep over the issue. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > >> BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but very busy >> welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. > > > LOL so where is SLC? > > Don > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 19:42:08 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 9 19:42:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip In-Reply-To: <46E4A903.50106@verizon.net> References: <46E4A903.50106@verizon.net> Message-ID: ROTFL!!!! Well, it is not the South Louisiana Coast! It is the airline abbrev for a city in UT....no! not the U of Tennessee... the state of Utah. Glenn Glenn Wimpee wrote: BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but very busy welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. Don wrote: LOL so where is SLC? Don _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Sun Sep 9 20:18:10 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sun Sep 9 20:18:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs In-Reply-To: <002201c7f32b$261e9430$85e31118@JOHNSNML> References: <002201c7f32b$261e9430$85e31118@JOHNSNML> Message-ID: <8pc9e39urvcijp5pi3d1nppj7knj5tr131@4ax.com> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:48:23 -0700, "Margaret Johnson" wrote: >My response was to the ? from Bobby & Courtney Walker, I figured they would know what I was talking about. Well, this *is* a mailing list for rockhounds. Lots of others are interested, too :-) > >A little better clarification, Little Naches is a river in the Cascade Mts . near Yakima, WA (Washington). There is a Ranger Station in the town of Enumclaw, King Co., WA, which is in Western WA. > >This Ranger Station is well known place to meet and go over the Cascade Mts. to the Little Naches River Area. > >Hope this clarifies the issue. If anyone has any other ? Just ask. > Sure does. Thank you. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From albalmer at att.net Sun Sep 9 20:18:36 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sun Sep 9 20:18:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <001701c7f30c$13ef5e80$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001c7f2ff$4bf750b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <001701c7f30c$13ef5e80$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <02d9e3h4rugodo7q757of469uc0m5h33ff@4ax.com> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" wrote: >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > The message seems to indicate that it produces Flash animations. I don't know why it would matter what package produced it. Unless you're talking about some other format, not really Flash. Does it require a different browser plugin? >Axel > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Al Balmer >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question form >> >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" >> wrote: >> >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very effective Coffee Cup software. >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don Newsome). Less options >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you 1000$. >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 or "refresh" there is >> >another animation playing. There's one from Idaho, a topaz >> from Boise county). >> >> One problem with Flash is that many people (like me) have it >> disabled by default. Not that it's a bad technology, but 99% >> of Flash is highly obnoxious advertising. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From johnsnml at comcast.net Sun Sep 9 21:31:42 2007 From: johnsnml at comcast.net (Margaret Johnson) Date: Sun Sep 9 21:31:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] little naches wa. thundereggs Message-ID: <003601c7f363$7dcd0ad0$85e31118@JOHNSNML> The Puyallup club will travel east on Hwy 410 to Sumner to Buckley and then to Enumclaw. The National Forrest Service has a Ranger Station in Enumclaw. From there we will travel on Hwy 410 to Kaner Flats in the Little Naches River area. We will not be going over White Pass. We will not be going to the town of Naches. If anyone is interested in going meet at the ranger station at 9:00 am and we will travel from there. Peg J --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Sep 10 02:19:31 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Sep 10 02:19:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <02d9e3h4rugodo7q757of469uc0m5h33ff@4ax.com> References: <558216.3969.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001001c7f2ff$4bf750b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><001701c7f30c$13ef5e80$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <02d9e3h4rugodo7q757of469uc0m5h33ff@4ax.com> Message-ID: <000601c7f38b$b24d90e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Al, Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web development and music and video. http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one of them. The animation generator that I use is another one of their products. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Al Balmer > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" > wrote: > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces Flash > animations. I don't know why it would matter what package > produced it. Unless you're talking about some other format, > not really Flash. Does it require a different browser plugin? > > >Axel > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Al Balmer > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > >> collectors > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question form > >> > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel Emmermann" > >> wrote: > >> > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very effective Coffee > Cup software. > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don Newsome). > Less options > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you 1000$. > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 or "refresh" there is > >> >another animation playing. There's one from Idaho, a topaz > >> from Boise county). > >> > >> One problem with Flash is that many people (like me) have > it disabled > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology, but 99% of Flash is > >> highly obnoxious advertising. > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Sep 10 02:27:29 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Sep 10 02:27:16 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701c7f38c$cf0dfd40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Glenn wrote: > BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but > very busy welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. I recently heard on the radio that there are know 300.000.000 people in the USA. So this would be the 300.000.001 st? LOL Congratulations in advance ;-))) Axel From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Sep 12 16:08:43 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Sep 12 16:06:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] old copies of American Mineralogist for possible sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E8717B.9080600@verizon.net> Hi all, Members of the Mineralogical Society of America have already heard that the entire run of American Mineralogist is now on line for members. This is fantastic! Now I need to figure out what to do with my bookcase full of old Am Mins. I have volumes from the late 1950s through 1980s. Given the on-line availability to members, does anyone think these have a value? I'm hoping that there are still collectors or scientists who value the paper copies. There are a few I will be keeping myself for sentimental reasons. Moving costs about $1/pound, depending how you do it, and books are heavy. So I'd like to divest myself of these. Given that I am currently poor, I'd like to get some minimal amount of money for them, but if necessary I would be happy to donate them to an organization for the cost of postage. If anyone is interested, please contact me off-list. I will give preference to someone who wants to buy large blocks of issues, but I will keep a list of anyone who asks for individual issues they need. Best regards, Don From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 18:52:10 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Sep 12 18:52:11 2007 Subject: FW: [Rockhounds] FAQ Creation (Was: Standard Question Format) In-Reply-To: References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net> <46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior> <8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <002c01c7f287$bb422710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <46E1574E000620A1@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: Many questions will be common to several lists and can be easily pasted in to them. Axel already posted a good start. (I saved it.) I'll be happy to add my 2 novice cents as I feel I can help. Come on ya'll lets see some suggestions. Many of you are very well versed in this field. Don't be shy. So what if I get flamed? I'll likely learn something worthwhile. Glenn P.S. Thanks Axel for the good wishes for the 300,000,001st! From: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com Subject: [Rockhounds] FAQ Creation (Was: Standard Question Format) IMHO, I think we are really on to a good thing here! Alex's proposal, Alan's suggestion of several FAQ lists, several other favorable good suggestions, and Kitty has volunteered to compile the lists. I agree with Kitty's comment: Lets do it! As a start, if you would like to contribute to any specific FAQ list, why not post which you care to work on, and Kitty can make email lists specific to each FAQ subject? Glenn http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html (which is at the bottom of every Rockhounds message)you will see that there is a FAQ page, and it says: FAQ: This page is still under construction. If you would like to assist with completing its content please contact rhladmin at drizzle.com.Alan, I think your idea (below) is a good one. People who want to contribute should do as it says, and contact rhladmin (which I believe is Julie). I have already volunteered to serve as collector, editor, writer, whatever. Let's do it! Aloha, Kitty One option is to develop several different FAQ pages. For example, FAQ's can be written for fossil ID, mineral ID, lapidary, working with chemicals, evolution and science, equipment, etc. Many of the FAQs can be compiled from archived material. Different people can use their expertise to work on FAQs. I would suggest that this be done by people who agree to work on it who can {quot}reply all{quot} to each other so we don't plug up the list serve with a half-dozen FAQ development committees jabbering back and forth among themselves. We have enough people who post their personal replies to everyone instead of the one person who they are trying to reach. Alan _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf?. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Sep 13 02:08:53 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Sep 13 02:08:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] FAQ Creation (Was: Standard Question Format) In-Reply-To: References: <00f401c7f0b9$efc26920$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> <46E0A248.8030401@ptd.net><46E0A6C6.7080703@verizon.net> <008201c7f164$2c1b03a0$6400a8c0@Junior><8C9BF86099CF245-1048-2E02@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com><002b01c7f17c$0082a870$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46E23679.6F5C@Tomaszewski.net> <000401c7f206$7bd5c040$6401a8c0@AxelHP><002c01c7f287$bb422710$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <46E1574E000620A1@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <000401c7f5e5$c0378b50$6401a8c0@AxelHP> You're welcome Glen! If we want to continue discussing # 300.000.001 on this list you should name him/her appropriately. "Rocky" would do nicely in keeping us on topic. Or Agatha, Ruby, Crystal, .... About the question form: There were some comments that seemed to doubt the effect of such a "questionnaire". In my experience, people LOOK at something, then frown and in the end miss 90% of what they should have SEEN. Ask any detective, a good witness is not easily found. So, basically, such a form is not in the first place meant to ensure that "the expert" gets his information presented on a golden platter. No, it's more of a reminder of "what to look for" for the novice. Our brain is trained to look at "the whole picture". That is how we recognize each other in a fraction of a second. Not only by our facial characteristics but at the same time by our posture, the way we walk, color of hair and skin, smell, etc. Most people don't see details though! Try this one out: what's the color of your neighbors eyes? Your cousin? Aunt Zelda? Your partner... Your children????? A form would just tell an inexperienced observer what to look for an how to describe the observation. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee > Verzonden: donderdag 13 september 2007 2:52 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: FW: [Rockhounds] FAQ Creation (Was: Standard > Question Format) > > Many questions will be common to several lists and can be > easily pasted in to them. Axel already posted a good start. > (I saved it.) I'll be happy to add my 2 novice cents as I > feel I can help. Come on ya'll lets see some suggestions. > Many of you are very well versed in this field. Don't be shy. > So what if I get flamed? I'll likely learn something worthwhile. > Glenn > > P.S. Thanks Axel for the good wishes for the 300,000,001st! > From jcstiff at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 16:37:36 2007 From: jcstiff at gmail.com (Joshua Stiff) Date: Thu Sep 13 16:37:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group Message-ID: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> My 2-cents... It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of being an email group. The suggestions posted by some of the more prominent members indicate that. Maybe it would be beneficial if information was consolidated and the group moved to something more of a web community forum. Example: http://www.mindat.org/forum. The suggestions being made could be easily accommodated by a webpost site. You'd have the full range of search capabilities, FAQ packs, links to other sites, and email (once subscribed) to specific topics inside the overall group. You could post pictures/maps, setup a profile for yourself, etc. Via a web-interface, you could also direct people in filling out an information form (like what was earlier posted) for identifying minerals, and for asking standard questions. Wouldn't it be cool to have a place where you could post pictures along with field trip stories! Something to keep in mind for the group. I'm not sure of the cost of setting up a web post site as such, but it is amazing what you can do for free on the web! Josh From albalmer at att.net Thu Sep 13 17:30:19 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Sep 13 17:30:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:37:36 -0600, "Joshua Stiff" wrote: >My 2-cents... > >It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of >being an email group. The suggestions posted by some of the more >prominent members indicate that. Maybe it would be beneficial if >information was consolidated and the group moved to something more of >a web community forum. Example: Good grief, no. A mail list with a good mail reader is far superior to any web forum. And you can do all the below and still have a mail list. Probably not with drizzle, but for example the yahoo forums support both web-based and mail. >http://www.mindat.org/forum. > >The suggestions being made could be easily accommodated by a webpost >site. You'd have the full range of search capabilities, FAQ packs, >links to other sites, and email (once subscribed) to specific topics >inside the overall group. You could post pictures/maps, setup a >profile for yourself, etc. > >Via a web-interface, you could also direct people in filling out an >information form (like what was earlier posted) for identifying >minerals, and for asking standard questions. > >Wouldn't it be cool to have a place where you could post pictures >along with field trip stories! > >Something to keep in mind for the group. I'm not sure of the cost of >setting up a web post site as such, but it is amazing what you can do >for free on the web! > >Josh -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From ajs at frii.com Thu Sep 13 17:36:42 2007 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Sep 13 17:36:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> > A mail list with a good mail reader is far superior to any web forum. Agreed. Best web forum I've seen is: http://wayneswords.com/cgi-bin/wwlprecreation.pl But I like how rocks-related email "comes to me" instead. > And you can do all the below and still have a mail list. Probably not > with drizzle, but for example the yahoo forums support both web-based > and mail. Right. I moderate several Yahoo groups. If you don't mind the ads, which aren't bad, it's great for a free service. Anyone can be on the email list, and Yahoo members (free but registry required) can log in to access archives, files, images, etc. Lots of good options available for moderator control of the group. In fact I'm on two rockhounds email lists, and the other one IS Yahoo... RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com It has less traffic and, being unmoderated I think, somewhat less signal to noise. Cheers, Alan Silverstein From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Sep 13 18:12:31 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Sep 13 18:12:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival this weekend! Message-ID: <006401c7f66c$538b08b0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> The Falls Fossil Festival is this weekend at the Falls of the Ohio State Park in Clarksville, IN across the Ohio River from Louisville, KY. The program and details can be found at www.fallsoftheohio.org/fossil_festival.html. Among the highlights: * Speakers on the history of corals, preserving fossil heritage, fossils of animals which had tentacles (connected to a temporary exihibt at the park interpretive center), the history of crinoids, global climate change in eastern North America since the Devonian, fossil collecting tips, and fossil identification. * Teacher workshops on Indiana Geological Survey as an Educator Resource and Fossils of Kentucky. * Collect fossils on the Hanson Aggregates piles - Waldron shale and Jeffersonville Limestone residuum. It is possible to find cystoids, blastoids, trilobites, corals, snails, brachiopods, and much more! * Collect fluorite, sphalerite, calcite, and barite from the mineral pile fresh from the dumps of the Ozark-Mahoning Co. in Rosiclare, IL. I found a beautiful specimen when we were spreading the pile with our Bobcat skid-steer loader on Monday. Currently I'm soaking it in HCl to remove the calcite and better expose the 1 cm cubes. * Scheduled hikes on the fossil beds - the river has been low this year and the coral beds are the best they been since the drought in 1999! * Geo-craft activities for children. * 15 vendors with minerals, fossils, books, jewelry, food, etc. * Another GREAT weather forecast. Highs both days in the low to mid 70's. We've not had a bad weekend since the even began in 1995. * The Kentucky Paleontological Society, Indiana Society for Paleontology and the Kyana Geological Society will be set up. Lots of collecting opportunities in the area! A list is on the park's web site: www.fallsoftheohio.org. Alan Goldstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu Sep 13 18:17:25 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu Sep 13 18:17:29 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival this weekend! In-Reply-To: <006401c7f66c$538b08b0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <65530.98188.qm@web81713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alan, Question Can I get to Clarksville from 380, 42, or do I have to take SR 68? I am coming from Beavercreek, Ohio not "that far" away. Teri Jetter --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > The Falls Fossil Festival is this weekend at the > Falls of the Ohio State Park in Clarksville, IN > across the Ohio River from Louisville, KY. The > program and details can be found at > www.fallsoftheohio.org/fossil_festival.html. Among > the highlights: > > * Speakers on the history of corals, preserving > fossil heritage, fossils of animals which had > tentacles (connected to a temporary exihibt at the > park interpretive center), the history of crinoids, > global climate change in eastern North America since > the Devonian, fossil collecting tips, and fossil > identification. > > * Teacher workshops on Indiana Geological Survey as > an Educator Resource and Fossils of Kentucky. > > * Collect fossils on the Hanson Aggregates piles - > Waldron shale and Jeffersonville Limestone residuum. > It is possible to find cystoids, blastoids, > trilobites, corals, snails, brachiopods, and much > more! > > * Collect fluorite, sphalerite, calcite, and barite > from the mineral pile fresh from the dumps of the > Ozark-Mahoning Co. in Rosiclare, IL. I found a > beautiful specimen when we were spreading the pile > with our Bobcat skid-steer loader on Monday. > Currently I'm soaking it in HCl to remove the > calcite and better expose the 1 cm cubes. > > * Scheduled hikes on the fossil beds - the river has > been low this year and the coral beds are the best > they been since the drought in 1999! > > * Geo-craft activities for children. > > * 15 vendors with minerals, fossils, books, jewelry, > food, etc. > > * Another GREAT weather forecast. Highs both days in > the low to mid 70's. We've not had a bad weekend > since the even began in 1995. > > * The Kentucky Paleontological Society, Indiana > Society for Paleontology and the Kyana Geological > Society will be set up. > > Lots of collecting opportunities in the area! A list > is on the park's web site: www.fallsoftheohio.org. > > Alan Goldstein > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From geenet at centurytel.net Thu Sep 13 18:20:03 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Thu Sep 13 18:20:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: New format for the email group References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> I'm on the yahoo rockhound group too, and I like the photo feature. There are some interesting albums on there. Field trip reports are always better with pictures. Not everyone has a website to post pictures to, although there are many photo sharing sites out there. Jeanette > > Right. I moderate several Yahoo groups. If you don't mind the ads, > which aren't bad, it's great for a free service. Anyone can be on the > email list, and Yahoo members (free but registry required) can log in to > access archives, files, images, etc. Lots of good options available for > moderator control of the group. > > In fact I'm on two rockhounds email lists, and the other one IS Yahoo... > > RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com > > It has less traffic and, being unmoderated I think, somewhat less signal > to noise. > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu Sep 13 18:22:16 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu Sep 13 18:22:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <000601c7f38b$b24d90e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <854014.26182.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Axel, Question- I am mostly a Mac designer. That being said, Do you know if this software is made for Mac as well? I have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but hated it!!!! It is tooo much sometimes! Thanks for all of your great conversations. Have a Great Day! Teri Jetter --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Al, > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web > development and music and > video. > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one of > them. > The animation generator that I use is another one of > their products. > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > Namens Al Balmer > > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel > Emmermann" > > wrote: > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > > > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces > Flash > > animations. I don't know why it would matter what > package > > produced it. Unless you're talking about some > other format, > > not really Flash. Does it require a different > browser plugin? > > > > >Axel > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > Namens Al Balmer > > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem > > >> collectors > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question > form > > >> > > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel > Emmermann" > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very > effective Coffee > > Cup software. > > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don > Newsome). > > Less options > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you > 1000$. > > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 or > "refresh" there is > > >> >another animation playing. There's one from > Idaho, a topaz > > >> from Boise county). > > >> > > >> One problem with Flash is that many people > (like me) have > > it disabled > > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology, but > 99% of Flash is > > >> highly obnoxious advertising. > > > > -- > > Al Balmer > > Sun City, AZ > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Sep 13 18:51:54 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Sep 13 18:42:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> Josh, What you propose has been suggested several times, but has never received much support. There are other rockhound groups using the format and none seem to have the general support that this list does. The email format is what works for most folks (why is probably an off-topic discussion). If you are part of the web you must pay for bandwidth, servers, and web developers. You need an income stream to host any kind of website. You (or someone like your library that gives you 'free' access) have to pay (maybe indirectly) to be able to just browse. Nothing is free on the web - someone always has to pay. Even the 'free' websites/services support themselves by advertising, and by selling personal information they collect. Read the privacy policy (if you can find it) on some of the community forums if you want a suprise. BTW, by using their own, or 'free' sites, most list members can post pictures of a specimen, or a field trip, and reference the picture(s) in their list discussions. This list is supported by the all volunteer Admin Team's pockets, but changing to a more resource intensive format as you suggest would require additional support/revenue. Good community forums also need much more admin support time than email lists. The Admin Team's pockets are not very deep; they spend most of their time trying to fill them or keep up with their own family/life. And speaking of time, the Admin Team has been planning some of the features you requested for the list website (and even has some placeholder pages up). Asking for volunteers to help write the List FAQ is part of that effort. Rockhounding is a hobby for most of us, and hobby time is dear; giving hobby time to be a list admin, community contributor, or website developer, means all changes come slowly. But you get bragging rights for helping. I would agree with your initial statement if you would add one word to make it read "It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of being just an email group". Evolution of the list is simply moving faster than the Admin Team's resources can update the website. Disclaimer: I am a member of the List Admin Team. Professionally I am an email Postmaster handling millions of emails daily for hundreds of domains. This is my personal opinion and may not reflect the opinion of the List's Admin Team (we have not discussed this specific topic off-line to reach concensus). Kreigh P.S., I would like to put on my Admin Hat for a few seconds and suggest that a discussion (under this Subject) of what features and services the list most needs would be healthy, and would be a great help to the Admin Team in allocating their resources and time. Thanks! Joshua Stiff wrote: > > My 2-cents... > > It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of > being an email group. The suggestions posted by some of the more > prominent members indicate that. Maybe it would be beneficial if > information was consolidated and the group moved to something more of > a web community forum. Example: > http://www.mindat.org/forum. > > The suggestions being made could be easily accommodated by a webpost > site. You'd have the full range of search capabilities, FAQ packs, > links to other sites, and email (once subscribed) to specific topics > inside the overall group. You could post pictures/maps, setup a > profile for yourself, etc. > > Via a web-interface, you could also direct people in filling out an > information form (like what was earlier posted) for identifying > minerals, and for asking standard questions. > > Wouldn't it be cool to have a place where you could post pictures > along with field trip stories! > > Something to keep in mind for the group. I'm not sure of the cost of > setting up a web post site as such, but it is amazing what you can do > for free on the web! > > Josh > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jcstiff at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 22:53:13 2007 From: jcstiff at gmail.com (Joshua Stiff) Date: Thu Sep 13 22:53:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <48aa46800709132253j16892776q9b729997275de259@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about the off-topic post. I wasn't trying to imply that there is anything wrong with the group format, or make more work for the admins. More, I was attempting to convey that there are options for a very robust group environment if that is what is desired. Even a simple front-end can be very powerful. Let me know, off-group, if there is anything I can do to help with the HTML work. I'd love to volunteer time to help create a simple search facility or something. Don't worry ye lovers of Newsgroup Readers and PINE, I won't do anything to modify the format currently in place ;) Josh From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Sep 13 23:10:06 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Sep 13 23:10:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (OT) New format for the email group References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com><46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> <48aa46800709132253j16892776q9b729997275de259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008201c7f695$e636a790$befdf604@TheBlackAdder> I like it just the way it is. One feature this list has which most others lack is an easily accessible archive of past posts which are sorted by date, subject and the person posting. For example, some months ago I wanted to read all that Rock Currier had posted on cleaning minerals and water guns. It was very simple to do the way this archive is set up. I had been a subscriber to the Yahoo based Rockhounds list, but unsubscribed after a few months because 90% of the posts lacked substance. Just plain silly time wasters. If it works, please don't fix it. I like this list and all of the good people who post to it. Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Stiff To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group Sorry about the off-topic post. I wasn't trying to imply that there is anything wrong with the group format, or make more work for the admins. More, I was attempting to convey that there are options for a very robust group environment if that is what is desired. Even a simple front-end can be very powerful. Let me know, off-group, if there is anything I can do to help with the HTML work. I'd love to volunteer time to help create a simple search facility or something. Don't worry ye lovers of Newsgroup Readers and PINE, I won't do anything to modify the format currently in place ;) Josh -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 14 03:46:04 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 14 03:45:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> You have a point there, Jeanette. I know a few members that I have met but for the greater part I have no idea what you guys look like or, for that matter, how it looks where you live. A few "country-side" photos can go a long way to "place" someone. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Jeanette Wimpee > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 september 2007 2:20 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Re: New format for the email group > > I'm on the yahoo rockhound group too, and I like the photo > feature. There are some interesting albums on there. Field > trip reports are always better with pictures. Not everyone > has a website to post pictures to, although there are many > photo sharing sites out there. > Jeanette > > > > > > > Right. I moderate several Yahoo groups. If you don't mind > the ads, > > which aren't bad, it's great for a free service. Anyone > can be on the > > email list, and Yahoo members (free but registry required) > can log in > > to access archives, files, images, etc. Lots of good options > > available for moderator control of the group. > > > > In fact I'm on two rockhounds email lists, and the other > one IS Yahoo... > > > > RockhoundsList@yahoogroups.com > > > > It has less traffic and, being unmoderated I think, somewhat less > > signal to noise. > > > > Cheers, > > Alan Silverstein > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From JHODEL at wvdep.org Fri Sep 14 06:19:00 2007 From: JHODEL at wvdep.org (J.R. Hodel) Date: Fri Sep 14 06:19:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Yahoo groups Message-ID: Hi: I like Yahoo for email and many other things, but groups isn't one of them. I signed up for a rockhounds group on Yahoo a couple of years ago and my spam input went up an order of magnitude! Just my $0.02... JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 06:24:55 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Fri Sep 14 06:24:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040709140624n4f0ffb51ic67d12f32cc81b09@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Al Balmer wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:37:36 -0600, "Joshua Stiff" > wrote: > > >My 2-cents... > > > >It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of > >being an email group. The suggestions posted by some of the more > >prominent members indicate that. Maybe it would be beneficial if > >information was consolidated and the group moved to something more of > >a web community forum. Example: > > Good grief, no. A mail list with a good mail reader is far superior to > any web forum. > > And you can do all the below and still have a mail list. Probably not > with drizzle, but for example the yahoo forums support both web-based > and mail. But Yahoo sucks! I am on a different list (BBQ of all things) and it is hosted by Google... it is great, because it is a "Google Group", therefore users can get the emails or read it online... best of both worlds! Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 14 06:30:57 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 14 06:30:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <854014.26182.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000601c7f38b$b24d90e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <854014.26182.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Teresa, I did http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html with http://nvu.com/ in a few days time... There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows and it's free. It's not a very steep learning curve and getting "the hang of it" largely falls back on your general experience as a computer user. My website is not "officially" published yet, so there may be some errors there but I don't mind if people go take a peek already. BTW: if you see any errors please let me know ;-))) Have a go! Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens teresa jetter > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 september 2007 2:22 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > Hi Axel, > Question- I am mostly a Mac designer. That being said, Do > you know if this software is made for Mac as well? > I have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but hated it!!!! > It is tooo much sometimes! > Thanks for all of your great conversations. > Have a Great Day! > Teri Jetter > --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Al, > > > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web development > and music > > and video. > > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one of them. > > The animation generator that I use is another one of their products. > > > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > Namens Al Balmer > > > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > > rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel > > Emmermann" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > > > > > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces > > Flash > > > animations. I don't know why it would matter what > > package > > > produced it. Unless you're talking about some > > other format, > > > not really Flash. Does it require a different > > browser plugin? > > > > > > >Axel > > > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > Namens Al Balmer > > > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > > > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > > rock and gem > > > >> collectors > > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question > > form > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel > > Emmermann" > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very > > effective Coffee > > > Cup software. > > > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : 39$. > > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see > > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for Don > > Newsome). > > > Less options > > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you > > 1000$. > > > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 or > > "refresh" there is > > > >> >another animation playing. There's one from > > Idaho, a topaz > > > >> from Boise county). > > > >> > > > >> One problem with Flash is that many people > > (like me) have > > > it disabled > > > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology, but > > 99% of Flash is > > > >> highly obnoxious advertising. > > > > > > -- > > > Al Balmer > > > Sun City, AZ > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From yetisir at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 06:57:38 2007 From: yetisir at gmail.com (Mike Yetisir) Date: Fri Sep 14 06:57:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: On 9/13/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > If you are part of the web you must pay for bandwidth, servers, and web > developers. You need an income stream to host any kind of website. You > (or someone like your library that gives you 'free' access) have to pay > (maybe indirectly) to be able to just browse. Nothing is free on the web > - someone always has to pay. Hi, If anyone wanted to make a Rockhounds web forum, I could volunteer a sub domain on my website where the rockhounds web forum could be located. That would eliminate the cost of running it. I couldn't help much with the programming though, unless prebuilt forum software is used. Mike -- Mike Yetisir Deep River, ON K0J 1P0 Ph. 613 584 4143 Fax 613 584 9177 From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 14 07:49:57 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Sep 14 07:50:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form References: <000601c7f38b$b24d90e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><854014.26182.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <006801c7f6de$85358bc0$d8f9d24c@LarryRush> Axel: A wonderful job!! The photography in fl. light must have been very time-consuming! Anyone who has tried to photograph minerals under UV can certainly appreciate your efforts, and the super results! One small comment; the Cerussite specimen is shown as a small image under UV light, but the link to the larger size is shown under incandescent light. Is this deliberate, or a mistake? Congratulations on a great job............... Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] standard question form > Teresa, > > I did > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html > with http://nvu.com/ > in a few days time... > There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows and it's free. > It's not a very steep learning curve and getting "the hang of it" largely > falls back on your general experience as a computer user. > > My website is not "officially" published yet, so there may be some errors > there but I don't mind if people go take a peek already. BTW: if you see > any > errors please let me know ;-))) > > Have a go! > > Cheers > Axel > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 14 08:41:38 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 14 08:41:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] standard question form In-Reply-To: <006801c7f6de$85358bc0$d8f9d24c@LarryRush> References: <000601c7f38b$b24d90e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><854014.26182.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <006801c7f6de$85358bc0$d8f9d24c@LarryRush> Message-ID: <002f01c7f6e5$bd6b2d90$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > Axel: A wonderful job!! The photography in fl. light must > have been very time-consuming! Anyone who has tried to > photograph minerals under UV can certainly appreciate your > efforts, and the super results! Thank you Larry. Once you know how to do it things get easier ;-))) Mind you, most of these photos are slides! Only very few digital photos were good enough to put on the site. Only the cerussite and adamite are digital so far. > One small comment; the Cerussite specimen is shown as a small > image under UV light, but the link to the larger size is > shown under incandescent light. Is this deliberate, or a mistake? Neither ;-))) Did you scroll down? The fluorescent pic is just beneath the one in incandescent light. There's also a caption at the bottom of each page with comments on the activator if it's known. > > Congratulations on a great job............... Thank you again, Larry. The great thing about it is that it's made with absolutely "legal" and free software. Axel Emmermann European Regional Vice President of the Fluorescent Mineral Society ========================= Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen/Antwerp Mineralogical Society Werkgroepleider/Workgroup leader: Fluorescerende mineralen/Fluorescent minerals Technische Realisaties/Engineering My website: From rockhounds at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 13 23:27:32 2007 From: rockhounds at roadrunner.com (Kelly Hanson) Date: Fri Sep 14 10:18:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] (OT) New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <008201c7f695$e636a790$befdf604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <000001c7f698$58c054d0$0200a8c0@KellyHanson> Here Here Kelly Hanson -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kern Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:10 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] (OT) New format for the email group I like it just the way it is. One feature this list has which most others lack is an easily accessible archive of past posts which are sorted by date, subject and the person posting. For example, some months ago I wanted to read all that Rock Currier had posted on cleaning minerals and water guns. It was very simple to do the way this archive is set up. I had been a subscriber to the Yahoo based Rockhounds list, but unsubscribed after a few months because 90% of the posts lacked substance. Just plain silly time wasters. If it works, please don't fix it. I like this list and all of the good people who post to it. Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Stiff To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group Sorry about the off-topic post. I wasn't trying to imply that there is anything wrong with the group format, or make more work for the admins. More, I was attempting to convey that there are options for a very robust group environment if that is what is desired. Even a simple front-end can be very powerful. Let me know, off-group, if there is anything I can do to help with the HTML work. I'd love to volunteer time to help create a simple search facility or something. Don't worry ye lovers of Newsgroup Readers and PINE, I won't do anything to modify the format currently in place ;) Josh -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Sep 14 11:45:37 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Sep 14 11:45:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] changing topic (was) standard question form In-Reply-To: <002f01c7f6e5$bd6b2d90$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <000601c7f38b$b24d90e0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <854014.26182.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <006801c7f6de$85358bc0$d8f9d24c@LarryRush> <002f01c7f6e5$bd6b2d90$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46E749C4000A4538@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Please change the topic in the subject line to match what you're writing about. This time we somehow migrated from "standard question form" to fluorescent mineral photography! Below is a copy of the relevant part of the List Usage Policy which can be seen in its entirety through the link that appears at the bottom of every Rockhounds post. Aloha, Kitty, (List Admin Team Member) _______________________ 5. Subject Line: a. Please select a clear topic that will allow readers to decide if they want to read or delete. Avoid cute or cryptic titles. b. Change the topic on the Subject line when you introduce a different theme. Depending on circumstances, you may want to use "(was)" to indicate the change. c. Use one topic at a time. If you have two messages that are not related, post them separately, with different topics in the Subject line. _______________________ At 05:41 AM 9/14/2007, Axel wrote: > > Axel: A wonderful job!! The photography in fl. light must > > have been very time-consuming! Anyone who has tried to > > photograph minerals under UV can certainly appreciate your > > efforts, and the super results! > >Thank you Larry. Once you know how to do it things get easier ;-))) >Mind you, most of these photos are slides! Only very few digital photos were >good enough to put on the site. Only the cerussite and adamite are digital >so far. From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Sep 14 12:27:57 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Sep 14 12:28:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I believe that we should be able to post pictures to the Rockhounds Website. Volunteers to help make that workable would be appreciated. I know our List Owner, Julie, is extremely busy, and in fact all the Admin Team members---except me---have full time jobs. So anyone with computer expertise and some free time would be most welcome. I have the time, but no computer skills. Julie did a great job setting up the website and it already has a page for FAQ which needs input, and the Standard Question Form could also be added, and hopefully a picture page. Perhaps Website Volunteers could form an auxiliary team off-list. Again, I can't do the computer stuff, but I have the time to do organizing, writing, editing, etc. Let's start by volunteers contacting me off-list, and we'll see what develops. Aloha, Kitty At 12:46 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote: >You have a point there, Jeanette. >I know a few members that I have met but for the greater part I have no idea >what you guys look like or, for that matter, how it looks where you live. A >few "country-side" photos can go a long way to "place" someone. > >Axel From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 14 15:43:51 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 14 15:31:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> <48aa46800709132253j16892776q9b729997275de259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EB0BB0.7F98@Tomaszewski.net> Josh, No need to apologize. Suggestions about improving the list are on topic. You've started a healthy discussion of what the list needs to be even better. Kreigh P.S., we may take you up on the HTML help as soon as we get some content for the FAQ page. Joshua Stiff wrote: > > Sorry about the off-topic post. I wasn't trying to imply that there > is anything wrong with the group format, or make more work for the > admins. More, I was attempting to convey that there are options for a > very robust group environment if that is what is desired. Even a > simple front-end can be very powerful. Let me know, off-group, if > there is anything I can do to help with the HTML work. I'd love to > volunteer time to help create a simple search facility or something. > Don't worry ye lovers of Newsgroup Readers and PINE, I won't do > anything to modify the format currently in place ;) > > Josh > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Sep 14 17:29:09 2007 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:30:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com><004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A><000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> I have a code-only vbscript upload routine (the server is Microsoft and set up for ASP pages.) The issue would be that someone would need to approve the images and/or we'd need to have some sort of password system, but yes, posting pictures has been on my list since I took over this monster. There are lots of other partly done things I have the pieces to (I've probably frustrated poor Kitty and Kreigh close to tears with my lack of input on this...they've had rules fine-tuning for me to do for MONTHS now.) I also want a DB link driven system (again, someone would have to go through and check "publish" or whatever for submitted links) for the links page. Keep in mind, that the site as it exists is *intentionally* simple - It's nothing like I do for clients...very few bells and whistles, because we're trying to make sure it's accessible to every list member. A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at ning.com (so it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with it yet, and it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows uploading of photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways you can drop, say, a GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people can download it. (Ning does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking that this is all we would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). It automatically stores your image at various sizes thumbnail through large, allows you to add captions - plus, anyone can tag an image with a keyword (so pix of Oregon specimens people have uploaded from different trip reports could all be tagged "Oregon" and you could find them all at once; or you could tag specimens throughout the site "quartz" or whatever, and anyone can add tags). We get 5gb of storage and 100gb of bandwidth for free. List members will have to get a Ning ID to use it but they are free and easy - lol - and you only need one ID to use all sites hosted by Ning, and you don't need an ID to VIEW, only to upload. I sent this information to the admin team about 2 months ago, explicitly regarding uploading rockhounds images, because I had figured it would allow rockhounds to have a place to upload pictures SOONER. If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in about an hour, then all of the images people want to upload will be in the same place. (And I'd love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group >I believe that we should be able to post pictures to the Rockhounds >Website. Volunteers to help make that workable would be appreciated. I >know our List Owner, Julie, is extremely busy, and in fact all the Admin >Team members---except me---have full time jobs. So anyone with computer >expertise and some free time would be most welcome. I have the time, but >no computer skills. Julie did a great job setting up the website and it >already has a page for FAQ which needs input, and the Standard Question >Form could also be added, and hopefully a picture page. > > Perhaps Website Volunteers could form an auxiliary team off-list. Again, > I can't do the computer stuff, but I have the time to do organizing, > writing, editing, etc. Let's start by volunteers contacting me off-list, > and we'll see what develops. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 12:46 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote: >>You have a point there, Jeanette. >>I know a few members that I have met but for the greater part I have no >>idea >>what you guys look like or, for that matter, how it looks where you live. >>A >>few "country-side" photos can go a long way to "place" someone. >> >>Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From albalmer at att.net Fri Sep 14 17:44:20 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:44:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <7aac8040709140624n4f0ffb51ic67d12f32cc81b09@mail.gmail.com> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <7aac8040709140624n4f0ffb51ic67d12f32cc81b09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:24:55 -0400, Drew wrote: >On 9/13/07, Al Balmer wrote: >> >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:37:36 -0600, "Joshua Stiff" >> wrote: >> >> >My 2-cents... >> > >> >It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of >> >being an email group. The suggestions posted by some of the more >> >prominent members indicate that. Maybe it would be beneficial if >> >information was consolidated and the group moved to something more of >> >a web community forum. Example: >> >> Good grief, no. A mail list with a good mail reader is far superior to >> any web forum. >> >> And you can do all the below and still have a mail list. Probably not >> with drizzle, but for example the yahoo forums support both web-based >> and mail. > > >But Yahoo sucks! I am on a different list (BBQ of all things) and it is >hosted by Google... it is great, because it is a "Google Group", therefore >users can get the emails or read it online... best of both worlds! > As stated above in the line just above your reply, Yahoo offers both web-based and email also. It also has integrated server space for pictures and files. I don't know whether Google Groups offer this or not. I do know that the Usenet system has been seriously infected by Google Groupers who don't know the difference between Google and Usenet. Google sucks! -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From albalmer at att.net Fri Sep 14 17:44:46 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:44:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <0c9me3pqcdad092bcqu74mrctua0rv19v4@4ax.com> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:57:38 -0400, "Mike Yetisir" wrote: >On 9/13/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> If you are part of the web you must pay for bandwidth, servers, and web >> developers. You need an income stream to host any kind of website. You >> (or someone like your library that gives you 'free' access) have to pay >> (maybe indirectly) to be able to just browse. Nothing is free on the web >> - someone always has to pay. > >Hi, >If anyone wanted to make a Rockhounds web forum, I could volunteer a >sub domain on my website where the rockhounds web forum could be >located. Have you ever read the last line in the group signature? It says: === List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From territoones1 at ameritech.net Fri Sep 14 17:44:37 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:44:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] nvu.com In-Reply-To: <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <7619.59349.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Axel, Liked your site~ Couldn't read but a few words, but thats ok, I could stand to learn a new language, and the pictures were good. Downloaded the Mac version. Lets see what kind of trouble I can find to get into! Thanks, Teri J --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Teresa, > > I did > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html > with http://nvu.com/ > in a few days time... > There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows and > it's free. > It's not a very steep learning curve and getting > "the hang of it" largely > falls back on your general experience as a computer > user. > > My website is not "officially" published yet, so > there may be some errors > there but I don't mind if people go take a peek > already. BTW: if you see any > errors please let me know ;-))) > > Have a go! > > Cheers > Axel > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > Namens teresa jetter > > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 september 2007 2:22 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > > > Hi Axel, > > Question- I am mostly a Mac designer. That being > said, Do > > you know if this software is made for Mac as well? > > I have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but > hated it!!!! > > It is tooo much sometimes! > > Thanks for all of your great conversations. > > Have a Great Day! > > Teri Jetter > > --- Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > > > > Al, > > > > > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web > development > > and music > > > and video. > > > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one > of them. > > > The animation generator that I use is another > one of their products. > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > > Namens Al Balmer > > > > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19 > > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for > > > rock and gem > > > > collectors > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question > form > > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel > > > Emmermann" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > > > > > > > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces > > > Flash > > > > animations. I don't know why it would matter > what > > > package > > > > produced it. Unless you're talking about some > > > other format, > > > > not really Flash. Does it require a different > > > browser plugin? > > > > > > > > >Axel > > > > > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > >> > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > > Namens Al Balmer > > > > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > > > > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for > > > rock and gem > > > > >> collectors > > > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard > question > > > form > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel > > > Emmermann" > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very > > > effective Coffee > > > > Cup software. > > > > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : > 39$. > > > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see > > > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > > > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for > Don > > > Newsome). > > > > Less options > > > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you > > > 1000$. > > > > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 > or > > > "refresh" there is > > > > >> >another animation playing. There's one > from > > > Idaho, a topaz > > > > >> from Boise county). > > > > >> > > > > >> One problem with Flash is that many people > > > (like me) have > > > > it disabled > > > > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology, > but > > > 99% of Flash is > > > > >> highly obnoxious advertising. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Al Balmer > > > > Sun City, AZ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > Policy: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > Policy: > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From albalmer at att.net Fri Sep 14 17:45:10 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:44:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <48aa46800709132253j16892776q9b729997275de259@mail.gmail.com> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> <48aa46800709132253j16892776q9b729997275de259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:53:13 -0600, "Joshua Stiff" wrote: >Sorry about the off-topic post. I wasn't trying to imply that there >is anything wrong with the group format, or make more work for the >admins. More, I was attempting to convey that there are options for a >very robust group environment if that is what is desired. Even a >simple front-end can be very powerful. Let me know, off-group, if >there is anything I can do to help with the HTML work. I'd love to >volunteer time to help create a simple search facility or something. >Don't worry ye lovers of Newsgroup Readers and PINE, I won't do >anything to modify the format currently in place ;) > Probably you should contact the webmaster at electriclapidary.com? I think it would be up to them to screen potential contributors to the actual website. *What* gets added can be discussed here, of course. Kreigh, who does the actual website? Is Carol still involved? Haven't heard anything about her for a while. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From territoones1 at ameritech.net Fri Sep 14 17:44:56 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:45:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] nvu.com In-Reply-To: <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <641628.68378.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Axel, Liked your site~ Couldn't read but a few words, but thats ok, I could stand to learn a new language, and the pictures were good. Downloaded the Mac version. Lets see what kind of trouble I can find to get into! Thanks, Teri J --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > Teresa, > > I did > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html > with http://nvu.com/ > in a few days time... > There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows and > it's free. > It's not a very steep learning curve and getting > "the hang of it" largely > falls back on your general experience as a computer > user. > > My website is not "officially" published yet, so > there may be some errors > there but I don't mind if people go take a peek > already. BTW: if you see any > errors please let me know ;-))) > > Have a go! > > Cheers > Axel > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > Namens teresa jetter > > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 september 2007 2:22 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > > > Hi Axel, > > Question- I am mostly a Mac designer. That being > said, Do > > you know if this software is made for Mac as well? > > I have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but > hated it!!!! > > It is tooo much sometimes! > > Thanks for all of your great conversations. > > Have a Great Day! > > Teri Jetter > > --- Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > > > > Al, > > > > > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web > development > > and music > > > and video. > > > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one > of them. > > > The animation generator that I use is another > one of their products. > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > > Namens Al Balmer > > > > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19 > > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for > > > rock and gem > > > > collectors > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question > form > > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel > > > Emmermann" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > > > > > > > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces > > > Flash > > > > animations. I don't know why it would matter > what > > > package > > > > produced it. Unless you're talking about some > > > other format, > > > > not really Flash. Does it require a different > > > browser plugin? > > > > > > > > >Axel > > > > > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > >> > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > > Namens Al Balmer > > > > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > > > > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for > > > rock and gem > > > > >> collectors > > > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard > question > > > form > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel > > > Emmermann" > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very > > > effective Coffee > > > > Cup software. > > > > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : > 39$. > > > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see > > > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > > > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for > Don > > > Newsome). > > > > Less options > > > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you > > > 1000$. > > > > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 > or > > > "refresh" there is > > > > >> >another animation playing. There's one > from > > > Idaho, a topaz > > > > >> from Boise county). > > > > >> > > > > >> One problem with Flash is that many people > > > (like me) have > > > > it disabled > > > > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology, > but > > > 99% of Flash is > > > > >> highly obnoxious advertising. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Al Balmer > > > > Sun City, AZ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > Policy: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > Policy: > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From albalmer at att.net Fri Sep 14 17:47:19 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:47:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com><004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A><000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:29:09 -0700, "Julie Siebel" wrote: >I have a code-only vbscript upload routine (the server is Microsoft and set >up for ASP pages.) The issue would be that someone would need to approve the >images and/or we'd need to have some sort of password system, but yes, >posting pictures has been on my list since I took over this monster. Hi, Julie. I didn't realize that you were actually maintaining the website. How does it work - is Bovagems donating the space? -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Sep 14 17:54:52 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Sep 14 17:54:58 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival this weekend! References: <65530.98188.qm@web81713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c7f733$06ab2260$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> It isn't Clarksville Ohio, it is in Indiana across from Louisville. I would suggest I-71 to Louisville and cross the I-65 bridge and you are right there. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa jetter" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival this weekend! > Hi Alan, > Question Can I get to Clarksville from 380, 42, or > do I have to take SR 68? I am coming from > Beavercreek, Ohio not "that far" away. > Teri Jetter > --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > >> The Falls Fossil Festival is this weekend at the >> Falls of the Ohio State Park in Clarksville, IN >> across the Ohio River from Louisville, KY. The >> program and details can be found at >> www.fallsoftheohio.org/fossil_festival.html. Among >> the highlights: >> >> * Speakers on the history of corals, preserving >> fossil heritage, fossils of animals which had >> tentacles (connected to a temporary exihibt at the >> park interpretive center), the history of crinoids, >> global climate change in eastern North America since >> the Devonian, fossil collecting tips, and fossil >> identification. >> >> * Teacher workshops on Indiana Geological Survey as >> an Educator Resource and Fossils of Kentucky. >> >> * Collect fossils on the Hanson Aggregates piles - >> Waldron shale and Jeffersonville Limestone residuum. >> It is possible to find cystoids, blastoids, >> trilobites, corals, snails, brachiopods, and much >> more! >> >> * Collect fluorite, sphalerite, calcite, and barite >> from the mineral pile fresh from the dumps of the >> Ozark-Mahoning Co. in Rosiclare, IL. I found a >> beautiful specimen when we were spreading the pile >> with our Bobcat skid-steer loader on Monday. >> Currently I'm soaking it in HCl to remove the >> calcite and better expose the 1 cm cubes. >> >> * Scheduled hikes on the fossil beds - the river has >> been low this year and the coral beds are the best >> they been since the drought in 1999! >> >> * Geo-craft activities for children. >> >> * 15 vendors with minerals, fossils, books, jewelry, >> food, etc. >> >> * Another GREAT weather forecast. Highs both days in >> the low to mid 70's. We've not had a bad weekend >> since the even began in 1995. >> >> * The Kentucky Paleontological Society, Indiana >> Society for Paleontology and the Kyana Geological >> Society will be set up. >> >> Lots of collecting opportunities in the area! A list >> is on the park's web site: www.fallsoftheohio.org. >> >> Alan Goldstein >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 14 18:29:59 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 14 18:17:21 2007 Subject: Posting Pictures and Links {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group} References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <46EB3288.D89@Tomaszewski.net> One of the problems of posting pictures is that it needs to be easy for list members to do, but all but impossible for outsiders to post something inappropriate. We don't want spam, porn, or malware posted to our website. Yahoo and Google defend with registration (and security tools in the background). Other sites do it with moderation -- an admin must approve all submitted pictures. All sites have an easy way for an admin to remove something inappropriate that slips thru (and an audit trail so the admin can id the perp and block future abuse). Whatever solution that ends up being implemented will have to be designed with a goal of preventing abuse. Using just member email addresses for authentication is inadequate as they could be scraped from the archives. BTW, the list webserver does not have access to the membership list on the list mailserver. We also have an empty Links page that needs a similar method for members to post links to rockhounding websites. Same challenges as for pictures. If you have web skills, and time to take this on, please contact Kitty (off list). The Admin Team really could use some help, we just don't have the time to do everything that is needed. Thanks! Kreigh Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > I believe that we should be able to post pictures to the Rockhounds > Website. Volunteers to help make that workable would be > appreciated. I know our List Owner, Julie, is extremely busy, and in > fact all the Admin Team members---except me---have full time > jobs. So anyone with computer expertise and some free time would be > most welcome. I have the time, but no computer skills. Julie did a > great job setting up the website and it already has a page for FAQ > which needs input, and the Standard Question Form could also be > added, and hopefully a picture page. > > Perhaps Website Volunteers could form an auxiliary team > off-list. Again, I can't do the computer stuff, but I have the time > to do organizing, writing, editing, etc. Let's start by volunteers > contacting me off-list, and we'll see what develops. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 12:46 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote: > >You have a point there, Jeanette. > >I know a few members that I have met but for the greater part I have no idea > >what you guys look like or, for that matter, how it looks where you live. A > >few "country-side" photos can go a long way to "place" someone. > > > >Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Fri Sep 14 18:35:44 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Fri Sep 14 18:35:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Posting images and stories References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> Message-ID: <008c01c7f738$bbe2ca20$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> On the PaleoList one of the members (not the list owner) maintains his own website and we can post images and stories through it. They are up for 6 - 10 months before they are recycled. It works great and is easy to use. We send him the images and story, he constructs the simple web page and sends back the link. If it looks good, then person who submitted the photos give the group the URL. If it needs tweaking, we indicate corrections and repeat the process. Sure it would be good to have stories with photos posted forever, but hey, this works out great. This list group isn't as busy as Rockhounds, but - with occasional digressions - the quality of the postings by the list is very good! I'd say new photos / stories are added a couple times each month. Much more manageable than doing something daily. I have mineral trips that could be posted for the group if someone would do it. Again - even if it is only up for a couple of weeks members of this group could enjoy them. It also provides fodder for more good content. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group >I believe that we should be able to post pictures to the Rockhounds >Website. Volunteers to help make that workable would be appreciated. I >know our List Owner, Julie, is extremely busy, and in fact all the Admin >Team members---except me---have full time jobs. So anyone with computer >expertise and some free time would be most welcome. I have the time, but >no computer skills. Julie did a great job setting up the website and it >already has a page for FAQ which needs input, and the Standard Question >Form could also be added, and hopefully a picture page. > > Perhaps Website Volunteers could form an auxiliary team off-list. Again, > I can't do the computer stuff, but I have the time to do organizing, > writing, editing, etc. Let's start by volunteers contacting me off-list, > and we'll see what develops. > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 12:46 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote: >>You have a point there, Jeanette. >>I know a few members that I have met but for the greater part I have no >>idea >>what you guys look like or, for that matter, how it looks where you live. >>A >>few "country-side" photos can go a long way to "place" someone. >> >>Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 14 19:35:55 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 14 19:23:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46EB41F5.7514@Tomaszewski.net> Mike, That is a most generous offer. I hope someone takes you up on it to provide another rockhounding forum to expand our shared hobby. Kreigh Mike Yetisir wrote: > > On 9/13/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > If you are part of the web you must pay for bandwidth, servers, and web > > developers. You need an income stream to host any kind of website. You > > (or someone like your library that gives you 'free' access) have to pay > > (maybe indirectly) to be able to just browse. Nothing is free on the web > > - someone always has to pay. > > Hi, > If anyone wanted to make a Rockhounds web forum, I could volunteer a > sub domain on my website where the rockhounds web forum could be > located. That would eliminate the cost of running it. I couldn't help > much with the programming though, unless prebuilt forum software is > used. > > Mike > -- > Mike Yetisir > > Deep River, ON > > K0J 1P0 > > Ph. 613 584 4143 > > Fax 613 584 9177 > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 14 20:19:42 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 14 20:19:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <46E9E6F0.1157@Tomaszewski.net> <48aa46800709132253j16892776q9b729997275de259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46EB4F4C.470C@Tomaszewski.net> Al Balmer wrote: > > Kreigh, who does the actual website? Is Carol still involved? Haven't > heard anything about her for a while. > Hi Al, Julie has done most of the list website. I have contributed minor changes. Carol, and her magician webmaster, John, are also/still involved and have proactively contributed. Other Admin Team members have also helped. It really has been a group effort, with Julie leading. Thanks for asking. Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 14 20:22:54 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 14 20:23:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com><004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A><000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <46EB500A.27D6@Tomaszewski.net> Al Balmer wrote: > > Hi, Julie. I didn't realize that you were actually maintaining the > website. How does it work - is Bovagems donating the space? Yes. From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sat Sep 15 02:10:57 2007 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sat Sep 15 02:11:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c7f778$5436eb50$fca4c1f0$@dillen@skynet.be> I'm in favour of Al's reaction : for a forum you have to log in every time, so I'm in favour of sticking to a list as such. Postings on an e-mail list just arrive autom?atically, and you do something with them or you delete them. The most simple way. And BTW, my sincere thanks to the colleagues who are running the list. They do a marvelous job. Just my 2 (euro-)cents... Grts, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Al Balmer Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:30 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:37:36 -0600, "Joshua Stiff" wrote: >My 2-cents... > >It appears as if the rockhounds group has evolved past the point of >being an email group. The suggestions posted by some of the more >prominent members indicate that. Maybe it would be beneficial if >information was consolidated and the group moved to something more of >a web community forum. Example: Good grief, no. A mail list with a good mail reader is far superior to any web forum. And you can do all the below and still have a mail list. Probably not with drizzle, but for example the yahoo forums support both web-based and mail. >http://www.mindat.org/forum. > >The suggestions being made could be easily accommodated by a webpost >site. You'd have the full range of search capabilities, FAQ packs, >links to other sites, and email (once subscribed) to specific topics >inside the overall group. You could post pictures/maps, setup a >profile for yourself, etc. > >Via a web-interface, you could also direct people in filling out an >information form (like what was earlier posted) for identifying >minerals, and for asking standard questions. > >Wouldn't it be cool to have a place where you could post pictures >along with field trip stories! > >Something to keep in mind for the group. I'm not sure of the cost of >setting up a web post site as such, but it is amazing what you can do >for free on the web! > >Josh -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Sep 15 02:19:20 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Sep 15 02:19:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] nvu.com In-Reply-To: <7619.59349.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <7619.59349.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c7f779$7f884910$6401a8c0@AxelHP> O yes, I got to change that. The site is bilingual Dutch/English so I wrote the captions and other stuff exactly like that: Dutch phrase/English phrase. The idea was to halve the number of pages. I can imagine that if you don't see that the first time, you may get confused. Good point, I'll work on that before I add new pages. Thanks Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens teresa jetter > Verzonden: zaterdag 15 september 2007 1:45 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] nvu.com > > Hi Axel, > Liked your site~ Couldn't read but a few words, but thats > ok, I could stand to learn a new language, and the pictures were good. > Downloaded the Mac version. Lets see what kind of trouble I > can find to get into! > Thanks, > Teri J > --- Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Teresa, > > > > I did > > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html > > with http://nvu.com/ > > in a few days time... > > There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows and it's free. > > It's not a very steep learning curve and getting "the hang of it" > > largely falls back on your general experience as a computer user. > > > > My website is not "officially" published yet, so there may be some > > errors there but I don't mind if people go take a peek > already. BTW: > > if you see any errors please let me know ;-))) > > > > Have a go! > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > Namens teresa jetter > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 september 2007 2:22 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > > rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] standard question form > > > > > > Hi Axel, > > > Question- I am mostly a Mac designer. That being > > said, Do > > > you know if this software is made for Mac as well? > > > I have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but > > hated it!!!! > > > It is tooo much sometimes! > > > Thanks for all of your great conversations. > > > Have a Great Day! > > > Teri Jetter > > > --- Axel Emmermann > > wrote: > > > > > > > Al, > > > > > > > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web > > development > > > and music > > > > and video. > > > > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one > > of them. > > > > The animation generator that I use is another > > one of their products. > > > > > > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > > > Namens Al Balmer > > > > > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19 > > > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > > for > > > > rock and gem > > > > > collectors > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question > > form > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel > > > > Emmermann" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash. > > > > > > > > > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces > > > > Flash > > > > > animations. I don't know why it would matter > > what > > > > package > > > > > produced it. Unless you're talking about some > > > > other format, > > > > > not really Flash. Does it require a different > > > > browser plugin? > > > > > > > > > > >Axel > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > > >> > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > > > Namens Al Balmer > > > > > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47 > > > > > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > > for > > > > rock and gem > > > > > >> collectors > > > > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard > > question > > > > form > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel > > > > Emmermann" > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very > > > > effective Coffee > > > > > Cup software. > > > > > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ : > > 39$. > > > > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see > > > > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I > > > > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for > > Don > > > > Newsome). > > > > > Less options > > > > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you > > > > 1000$. > > > > > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5 > > or > > > > "refresh" there is > > > > > >> >another animation playing. There's one > > from > > > > Idaho, a topaz > > > > > >> from Boise county). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> One problem with Flash is that many people > > > > (like me) have > > > > > it disabled > > > > > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology, > > but > > > > 99% of Flash is > > > > > >> highly obnoxious advertising. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Al Balmer > > > > > Sun City, AZ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > > Policy: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > > > Policy: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rutile1 at carolina.rr.com Sat Sep 15 05:52:08 2007 From: rutile1 at carolina.rr.com (Todd Hamrick) Date: Sat Sep 15 05:52:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <000501c7f778$5436eb50$fca4c1f0$@dillen@skynet.be> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <000501c7f778$5436eb50$fca4c1f0$@dillen@skynet.be> Message-ID: <46EBD578.1020407@carolina.rr.com> I love the list the way it is.Thanks Mods. Todd From albalmer at att.net Sat Sep 15 10:57:54 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sat Sep 15 10:57:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <000501c7f778$5436eb50$fca4c1f0$@dillen@skynet.be> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <000501c7f778$5436eb50$fca4c1f0$@dillen@skynet.be> Message-ID: <2c4oe3lpmcrc3661502en51kc62r4rfdth@4ax.com> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:10:57 +0200, "Rik Dillen" wrote: >I'm in favour of Al's reaction : for a forum you have to log in every time, so I'm in favour of sticking to a list as >such. >Postings on an e-mail list just arrive autom?atically, and you do something with them or you delete them. The most >simple way. Yes. Also, you can filter and sort things into categories of your own choosing and keep your own personal archives of the things that interest you. They're always there on your computer, even if you aren't connected to the internet. >And BTW, my sincere thanks to the colleagues who are running the list. They do a marvelous job. > Hear, hear! -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 15 16:46:07 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Sep 15 16:46:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <46EBD578.1020407@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree that the list itself should stay as it is. We had considerable discussion on that topic when the current team took over from Aaron. It ain't broke- don't fix it. A separate website with FAQ and a place to post pictures would be a welcome addition, as long as the present list format isn't compromised. Jim Daly Todd Hamrick wrote: I love the list the way it is.Thanks Mods. Todd -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 00:02:14 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Sun Sep 16 00:02:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040709160002x1ca1e6fax853154f6c831d871@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/07, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > > I believe that we should be able to post pictures to the Rockhounds > Website. Volunteers to help make that workable would be > appreciated. I know our List Owner, Julie, is extremely busy, and in > fact all the Admin Team members---except me---have full time > jobs. So anyone with computer expertise and some free time would be > most welcome. I have the time, but no computer skills. Julie did a > great job setting up the website and it already has a page for FAQ > which needs input, and the Standard Question Form could also be > added, and hopefully a picture page. > > Perhaps Website Volunteers could form an auxiliary team > off-list. Again, I can't do the computer stuff, but I have the time > to do organizing, writing, editing, etc. Let's start by volunteers > contacting me off-list, and we'll see what develops. > > Aloha, Kitty I have one that I use for our club's forum... the only problem is that it is not censored, at least not until I check what is uploaded (which can be very frequently, or not so frequently)... It is really simple, PHP-based upload utility... it is not database driven or anything like that, it just uploads up to 5 pics (each up to 1MB) and spits out the link to that image. You can check it out here, http://www.varockhounder.com/upload/ Currently it is setup to provide the [img] tags for forums, but I can modify it to output links also. Let me know what you all think... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 00:09:04 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Sun Sep 16 00:09:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <7aac8040709140624n4f0ffb51ic67d12f32cc81b09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040709160009n31c36403s6e56c969cbc01a14@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/07, Al Balmer wrote: > > As stated above in the line just above your reply, Yahoo offers both > web-based and email also. It also has integrated server space for > pictures and files. I don't know whether Google Groups offer this or > not. I do know that the Usenet system has been seriously infected by > Google Groupers who don't know the difference between Google and > Usenet. Google sucks! > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > The other list I am on used Yahoo for about a day before switching to Google... before this change it was hosted by list-member... I know that pics can be attached on Google, not sure about files (since I've never tried to do it)... I like this list the way it is... I'd rather have email sent to me, instead of reading a forum... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Sep 16 00:51:06 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Sep 16 00:51:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you! Message-ID: <46E749C4000CD099@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I think I speak for the whole Admin Team when I say: Thank you! ...for the several recent supportive comments. It is often a frustrating and difficult job, and since we are all volunteers, I know that each of us at times has thought "Why am I doing this?" ...when there are flames or someone criticizes us for something we did or didn't do. But we do it for the love of the hobby, and for the many good folk on this list. Thanks for the support! Aloha, Kitty At 11:10 PM 9/14/2007, Rik Dillen wrote: >And BTW, my sincere thanks to the colleagues who are running the >list. They do a marvelous job. > >Just my 2 (euro-)cents... >Grts, > >Rik DILLEN From rik.dillen at skynet.be Sun Sep 16 01:48:24 2007 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Sun Sep 16 01:48:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46EBD578.1020407@carolina.rr.com> <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c7f83e$59849370$0c8dba50$@dillen@skynet.be> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jim Daly Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:46 AM To: rutile1@carolina.rr.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group I agree that the list itself should stay as it is. We had considerable discussion on that topic when the current team took over from Aaron. It ain't broke- don't fix it. A separate website with FAQ and a place to post pictures would be a welcome addition, as long as the present list format isn't compromised. Jim Daly >>>>> Yes ! The perfect way IMHO. Grts, Rik Dillen From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Sep 16 02:21:55 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Sep 16 02:21:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46EBD578.1020407@carolina.rr.com> <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c7f843$06fc16f0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> The best of both worlds. Wisely spoken, Jim. If it works don't change it. Just facilitate image traffic... ;-))) Another thought: maybe a who's who page? For each member who wants it: space for a mug shot, photo of a landmark or landscape that defines his/hers town/county/country and a description of what she/he collects. I just got a photo from Teresa and now there's a real person that I can visualize behind the lines of text. Same for Kitty and Bill Heacox and Earl Verbeek whom I met in the flesh. I know that Earl lives in the "Fluorescent Paradise on Earth", Franklin, NJ and that Kitty an Bill live on an exotic island with a mighty volcano. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Jim Daly > Verzonden: zondag 16 september 2007 0:46 > Aan: rutile1@carolina.rr.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A > mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group > > I agree that the list itself should stay as it is. We had > considerable discussion on that topic when the current team > took over from Aaron. It ain't broke- don't fix it. > A separate website with FAQ and a place to post pictures > would be a welcome addition, as long as the present list > format isn't compromised. > Jim Daly > > Todd Hamrick wrote: > I love the list the way it is.Thanks Mods. > Todd > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research > Panel today! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From davisj at earthlink.net Sun Sep 16 07:43:12 2007 From: davisj at earthlink.net (Joe Davis) Date: Sun Sep 16 07:43:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you! In-Reply-To: <46E749C4000CD099@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: I would like to add my thanks to the Admin team for a job well done. This is generally quite a "peaceful" site and works very well. The contributions made here continue to show we have a great group and a "fun" hobby. Life needs some more of that at times. Thanks Joe Davis From albalmer at att.net Sun Sep 16 10:58:31 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sun Sep 16 10:58:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <7aac8040709160009n31c36403s6e56c969cbc01a14@mail.gmail.com> References: <48aa46800709131637i3a6e010am585ce9645206a739@mail.gmail.com> <7aac8040709140624n4f0ffb51ic67d12f32cc81b09@mail.gmail.com> <7aac8040709160009n31c36403s6e56c969cbc01a14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:09:04 -0400, Drew wrote: >On 9/14/07, Al Balmer wrote: >> >> As stated above in the line just above your reply, Yahoo offers both >> web-based and email also. It also has integrated server space for >> pictures and files. I don't know whether Google Groups offer this or >> not. I do know that the Usenet system has been seriously infected by >> Google Groupers who don't know the difference between Google and >> Usenet. Google sucks! >> > >The other list I am on used Yahoo for about a day before switching to >Google... before this change it was hosted by list-member... I know that >pics can be attached on Google, not sure about files (since I've never tried >to do it)... Attachments are something else again. None of the lists I subscribe to allow them, for the good reason that the receiver has no control over whether to download a large file or not. What we're talking about here is that Yahoo provides web space for pictures and files. You can put something there and just tell people where it is. > >I like this list the way it is... I'd rather have email sent to me, instead >of reading a forum... -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From geenet at centurytel.net Sun Sep 16 14:41:33 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 16 14:41:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the emailgroup References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com><004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A><000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (addedbypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <000801c7f8aa$5ab26d00$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Yea! Jeanette > A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at ning.com (so > it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with it yet, and > it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows uploading of photos > and videos and stuff - there are even ways you can drop, say, a GPS > waypoints file on this site, so that people can download it. (Ning does > quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking that this is all we would > want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > > > I sent this information to the admin team about 2 months ago, explicitly > regarding uploading rockhounds images, because I had figured it would > allow rockhounds to have a place to upload pictures SOONER. If I get 10 > votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in about an hour, then all > of the images people want to upload will be in the same place. (And I'd > love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) > > Julie > From geenet at centurytel.net Sun Sep 16 15:03:30 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 16 15:03:46 2007 Subject: Posting Pictures and Links {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers(was) New format for the email group} References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (addedby postmaster@bouncemessage.net) <46EB3288.D89@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003c01c7f8ad$6bd46220$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> I host several websites myself, and I run Gallery, a php photo album on a couple of them. With Gallery, you can add users and set a password for them, to add and edit photos and video. Maybe that would work? I don't know how much web skill I have relative to some of you pros out there, but if there is anything I can do to help, let me know. Jeanette > > If you have web skills, and time to take this on, please contact Kitty > (off list). The Admin Team really could use some help, we just don't > have the time to do everything that is needed. Thanks! > > Kreigh > > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 16 18:20:41 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 16 18:18:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw Message-ID: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> I get some strange questions to my hobby website, and the one below got me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws for sale for $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would like to see it. Go to http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 hours of use, so if you want to buy it, go to http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click on the 'Make' for the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. Enjoy! Kreigh Roger Williams wrote: > > Hi...... > With regards to you and your company am Roger Williams,And i will like > to make an enquiry of a?Rock Saws .And also want to know if you can > get me the Model of > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back with the price range > on this Model.I will please like you to come back with the unit price > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how to put my order.And > also want to the exact figure you do carry in stock,So that i may > select from you.Thank you very much for your service and hope my > request will be given its favourable attention,And i will be waitting > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know if you are the owner > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have a nice time and stay > blessed.Thanks.Williams. From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 18:25:43 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Sep 16 18:25:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw In-Reply-To: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> References: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: So where do they use those saws? Quarries? BK On 9/16/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > I get some strange questions to my hobby website, and the one below got > me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws for sale for > $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would like to see it. Go to > > http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg > > to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 hours of use, so if > you want to buy it, go to > > http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm > > where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click on the 'Make' for > the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. > > Enjoy! > > Kreigh > > > > > > Roger Williams wrote: > > > > Hi...... > > With regards to you and your company am Roger Williams,And i will like > > to make an enquiry of aRock Saws .And also want to know if you can > > get me the Model of > > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back with the price range > > on this Model.I will please like you to come back with the unit price > > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how to put my order.And > > also want to the exact figure you do carry in stock,So that i may > > select from you.Thank you very much for your service and hope my > > request will be given its favourable attention,And i will be waitting > > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know if you are the owner > > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have a nice time and stay > > blessed.Thanks.Williams. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Sep 16 18:32:14 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Sep 16 18:32:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <46ED63320000A443@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't vote, but will anyway. Yea. Aloha, Kitty At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: >A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at ning.com >(so it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with it >yet, and it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows >uploading of photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways you >can drop, say, a GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people can >download it. (Ning does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking >that this is all we would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in >about an hour, then all of the images people want to upload will be >in the same place. (And I'd love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) > >Julie From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Sep 16 18:46:24 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Sep 16 18:46:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival Message-ID: <004601c7f8cc$8e8de830$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Well, the 13th Falls Fossil Festival is history. Saturday was busy, Sunday was quieter but still steady. The weather was perfect. We had a 15 minute downpour about an hour before the show started this morning - with one clap of thunder. The star of the Festival this year was the "Mineral Collecting Pile" from the fluorspar district. Someone told me a geology club came up from Lexington, KY specifically to collect in the pile! I would guess that of the 15 tons in the pile, well over a ton of rock was removed from it yesterday and another nearly another ton was taken out today! It is really rich in minerals. I picked up a nice cube (which I gave to a volunteer) because there is a lot of sand-size particles mixed in that help protect crystals from being pulverized to dust. A child picked up a partial crystal (yellow & purple with chalcopyrite inclusions) that could be chipped into a decent size octahedron. One woman found an 8" rock with yellow fluorite that contained a vug with a beautiful 5mm spray of strontianite. That had to be from the Minerva No. 1 mine. I've still got my specimens in HCl, but will check on them tomorrow. Next year we may bring down two truck loads - 30 tons - of material. You can't even tell anything was removed from the dump in Rosiclare. It looks like it has been scraped, but not excavated. The Waldron shale fossil pile wasn't attacked nearly as much, so it ought to produce some excellent fossils over the next year. The 2008 Falls Fossil Festival is Sept. 20 & 21. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Sun Sep 16 19:24:16 2007 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Sun Sep 16 19:22:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival References: <004601c7f8cc$8e8de830$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <001101c7f8d1$d8e3a780$d809a118@feldsparflash> Where is the Falls Fossil Festival? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival Well, the 13th Falls Fossil Festival is history. Saturday was busy, Sunday was quieter but still steady. The weather was perfect. We had a 15 minute downpour about an hour before the show started this morning - with one clap of thunder. The star of the Festival this year was the "Mineral Collecting Pile" from the fluorspar district. Someone told me a geology club came up from Lexington, KY specifically to collect in the pile! I would guess that of the 15 tons in the pile, well over a ton of rock was removed from it yesterday and another nearly another ton was taken out today! It is really rich in minerals. I picked up a nice cube (which I gave to a volunteer) because there is a lot of sand-size particles mixed in that help protect crystals from being pulverized to dust. A child picked up a partial crystal (yellow & purple with chalcopyrite inclusions) that could be chipped into a decent size octahedron. One woman found an 8" rock with yellow fluorite that contained a vug with a beautiful 5mm spray of strontianite. That had to be from the Minerva No. 1 mine. I've still got my specimens in HCl, but will check on them tomorrow. Next year we may bring down two truck loads - 30 tons - of material. You can't even tell anything was removed from the dump in Rosiclare. It looks like it has been scraped, but not excavated. The Waldron shale fossil pile wasn't attacked nearly as much, so it ought to produce some excellent fossils over the next year. The 2008 Falls Fossil Festival is Sept. 20 & 21. Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 16 19:30:28 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 16 19:30:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw References: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46EDE6C2.56A7@Tomaszewski.net> Bryan, They are used for trenching thru rock to lay utility cables. Typical depth of cut is one yard; I think it is a three inch kerf. I understand there are even bigger/wider models for cutting water pipe trenches. I have heard that most quarries use cable saws for slabbing the huge blocks they remove from careful blasting. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > So where do they use those saws? Quarries? > > BK > > On 9/16/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > I get some strange questions to my hobby website, and the one below got > > me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws for sale for > > $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would like to see it. Go to > > > > http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg > > > > to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 hours of use, so if > > you want to buy it, go to > > > > http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm > > > > where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click on the 'Make' for > > the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Williams wrote: > > > > > > Hi...... > > > With regards to you and your company am Roger Williams,And i will like > > > to make an enquiry of aRock Saws .And also want to know if you can > > > get me the Model of > > > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back with the price range > > > on this Model.I will please like you to come back with the unit price > > > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how to put my order.And > > > also want to the exact figure you do carry in stock,So that i may > > > select from you.Thank you very much for your service and hope my > > > request will be given its favourable attention,And i will be waitting > > > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know if you are the owner > > > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have a nice time and stay > > > blessed.Thanks.Williams. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From asgardsgc at earthlink.net Sun Sep 16 19:43:39 2007 From: asgardsgc at earthlink.net (Mark Easterbrook) Date: Sun Sep 16 19:43:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival Message-ID: <380-22007911724339198@earthlink.net> The Falls Festival is held at the Falls of the Ohio State Park in Clarksville, Indiana (across the Ohio River from Louisville, KY). Mark Easterbrook > [Original Message] > From: Carolyn Reynard > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Date: 9/16/2007 10:22:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival > > Where is the Falls Fossil Festival? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Goldstein" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival > > > Well, the 13th Falls Fossil Festival is history. Saturday was busy, Sunday > was quieter but still steady. The weather was perfect. We had a 15 minute > downpour about an hour before the show started this morning - with one clap > of thunder. > > The star of the Festival this year was the "Mineral Collecting Pile" from > the fluorspar district. Someone told me a geology club came up from > Lexington, KY specifically to collect in the pile! I would guess that of the > 15 tons in the pile, well over a ton of rock was removed from it yesterday > and another nearly another ton was taken out today! It is really rich in > minerals. I picked up a nice cube (which I gave to a volunteer) because > there is a lot of sand-size particles mixed in that help protect crystals > from being pulverized to dust. A child picked up a partial crystal (yellow & > purple with chalcopyrite inclusions) that could be chipped into a decent > size octahedron. One woman found an 8" rock with yellow fluorite that > contained a vug with a beautiful 5mm spray of strontianite. That had to be > from the Minerva No. 1 mine. I've still got my specimens in HCl, but will > check on them tomorrow. Next year we may bring down two truck loads - 30 > tons - of material. You can't even tell anything was removed from the dump > in Rosiclare. It looks like it has been scraped, but not excavated. > > The Waldron shale fossil pile wasn't attacked nearly as much, so it ought to > produce some excellent fossils over the next year. > > The 2008 Falls Fossil Festival is Sept. 20 & 21. > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 21:34:11 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 16 21:34:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] nvu.com In-Reply-To: <000901c7f779$7f884910$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <001901c7f6d3$7bc81130$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <7619.59349.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c7f779$7f884910$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: I really enjoyed your site. It is also good to see your picture and put a face on you. In my own slow way of doing things, I scrolled down to the USA flag and selected "English". BTW, a few of my first "real" collected specimens were fluorite and several others given to me by Dr. Dix (I don't remember his first name). I had no clue about fluorescent minerals then. Mostly they sat around on shelves and in aquarium displays. In my ignorance, I let the sun bleach some of them.... Dr. Dix was a long time member of the Mobile Rock and Gem Society and he strongly influenced my interest in our hobby back in the 1960s. Glenn > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] nvu.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:19:20 +0200> > O yes, I got to change that.> The site is bilingual Dutch/English so I wrote the captions and other stuff> exactly like that: Dutch phrase/English phrase. The idea was to halve the> number of pages.> I can imagine that if you don't see that the first time, you may get> confused.> Good point, I'll work on that before I add new pages.> > Thanks> Axel> > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens teresa jetter> > Verzonden: zaterdag 15 september 2007 1:45> > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors> > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] nvu.com> > > > Hi Axel,> > Liked your site~ Couldn't read but a few words, but thats > > ok, I could stand to learn a new language, and the pictures were good.> > Downloaded the Mac version. Lets see what kind of trouble I > > can find to get into!> > Thanks,> > Teri J> > --- Axel Emmermann wrote:> > > > > Teresa,> > > > > > I did> > >> > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html> > > with http://nvu.com/> > > in a few days time...> > > There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows and it's free.> > > It's not a very steep learning curve and getting "the hang of it" > > > largely falls back on your general experience as a computer user.> > > > > > My website is not "officially" published yet, so there may be some > > > errors there but I don't mind if people go take a peek > > already. BTW: > > > if you see any errors please let me know ;-)))> > > > > > Have a go!> > > > > > Cheers> > > Axel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]> > > Namens teresa jetter> > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 september 2007 2:22> > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for> > > rock and gem> > > > collectors> > > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] standard question form> > > > > > > > Hi Axel,> > > > Question- I am mostly a Mac designer. That being> > > said, Do> > > > you know if this software is made for Mac as well?> > > > I have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but> > > hated it!!!! > > > > It is tooo much sometimes! > > > > Thanks for all of your great conversations.> > > > Have a Great Day!> > > > Teri Jetter> > > > --- Axel Emmermann > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Al,> > > > > > > > > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web> > > development> > > > and music> > > > > and video.> > > > > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one> > > of them.> > > > > The animation generator that I use is another> > > one of their products.> > > > > > > > > > Axel> > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > > > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> > > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]> > > > > Namens Al Balmer> > > > > > Verzonden: maandag 10 september 2007 4:19> > > > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list> > > for> > > > > rock and gem> > > > > > collectors> > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question> > > form> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel> > > > > Emmermann"> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash.> > > > > > >> > > > > > The message seems to indicate that it produces> > > > > Flash> > > > > > animations. I don't know why it would matter> > > what> > > > > package> > > > > > produced it. Unless you're talking about some> > > > > other format,> > > > > > not really Flash. Does it require a different> > > > > browser plugin?> > > > > > > > > > > > >Axel> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > > > > > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> > > > > > >>> > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]> > > > > Namens Al Balmer> > > > > > >> Verzonden: zondag 9 september 2007 18:47> > > > > > >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list> > > for> > > > > rock and gem> > > > > > >> collectors> > > > > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard> > > question> > > > > form> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel> > > > > Emmermann"> > > > > > >> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >There is also the VERY cheap but very> > > > > effective Coffee> > > > > > Cup software.> > > > > > >> >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ :> > > 39$.> > > > > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go see> > > > > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I> > > > > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for> > > Don> > > > > Newsome). > > > > > > Less options> > > > > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save you> > > > > 1000$.> > > > > > >> >While you're there: each time you press F5> > > or> > > > > "refresh" there is> > > > > > >> >another animation playing. There's one> > > from> > > > > Idaho, a topaz> > > > > > >> from Boise county).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> One problem with Flash is that many people> > > > > (like me) have> > > > > > it disabled> > > > > > >> by default. Not that it's a bad technology,> > > but> > > > > 99% of Flash is> > > > > > >> highly obnoxious advertising.> > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > Al Balmer> > > > > > Sun City, AZ> > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > > > > Subscription Services:> > > > > >> > > > >> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > > > > Policy:> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > > > Subscription Services:> > > > >> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > > > > Policy:> > > > >> > > >> > >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > > Subscription Services:> > > >> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > > Policy:> > > >> > >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > > > --> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > Subscription Services:> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > > Policy:> > >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > --> > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf?. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Sep 16 21:40:54 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 16 21:40:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <46EBD578.1020407@carolina.rr.com> <212139.81564.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: DITTO!!! Especially a separate website for FAQs and pics. Mega kudos to the MODs!!!! Glenn I agree that the list itself should stay as it is. We had considerable discussion on that topic when the current team took over from Aaron. It ain't broke- don't fix it. A separate website with FAQ and a place to post pictures would be a welcome addition, as long as the present list format isn't compromised. Jim Daly Todd Hamrick wrote: I love the list the way it is.Thanks Mods. Todd _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever ? Get MORE with Windows Live? Hotmail?. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Sep 17 03:38:11 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Sep 17 03:37:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <46ED63320000A443@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com><004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A><000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com><436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> <46ED63320000A443@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <001b01c7f916$d8817cf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Julie, Apparently I lost your message but I recuperated the basic idea from Kitty's "Yea". Please ad my "yeah". The list is and has always been a good thing. A firm "kudos" to the admin team is warranted ;-))) The Americans say: "if it ain't broken, don't fix it!" but the Japanese say: "If it's already good then just make it better". Adding value to the list without changing the looks and feel is the smartest thing to do. Is everybody happy? Yeah! Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2007 2:32 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers > > As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't vote, but will > anyway. Yea. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: > > >A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at > ning.com (so > >it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with > it yet, and > >it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows uploading of > >photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways you can > drop, say, a > >GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people can download > it. (Ning > >does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking that this > is all we > >would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > > > If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in > >about an hour, then all of the images people want to upload > will be in > >the same place. (And I'd love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) > > > >Julie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 06:11:00 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Sep 17 06:11:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <001b01c7f916$d8817cf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <396071.79417.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Julie, Count me as a "yea". Jim Daly Axel Emmermann wrote: Julie, Apparently I lost your message but I recuperated the basic idea from Kitty's "Yea". Please ad my "yeah". The list is and has always been a good thing. A firm "kudos" to the admin team is warranted ;-))) The Americans say: "if it ain't broken, don't fix it!" but the Japanese say: "If it's already good then just make it better". Adding value to the list without changing the looks and feel is the smartest thing to do. Is everybody happy? Yeah! Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2007 2:32 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers > > As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't vote, but will > anyway. Yea. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: > > >A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at > ning.com (so > >it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with > it yet, and > >it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows uploading of > >photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways you can > drop, say, a > >GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people can download > it. (Ning > >does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking that this > is all we > >would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > > > If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in > >about an hour, then all of the images people want to upload > will be in > >the same place. (And I'd love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) > > > >Julie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 07:16:55 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Sep 17 07:17:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw In-Reply-To: <46EDE6C2.56A7@Tomaszewski.net> References: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> <46EDE6C2.56A7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: OK that makes sense, the kerf looked so wide I couldn't see why a quarry would or could use one. The movie Breaking Away has some scenes with the cable saws in it IIRC, tho it's been quite awhile since I watched it. It's set around marble quarries. Of course in Florida they can do cable ditching with the Ditch Witch type machines since we don't reall y have any hard rock in state. BK On 9/16/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Bryan, > > They are used for trenching thru rock to lay utility cables. Typical > depth of cut is one yard; I think it is a three inch kerf. I understand > there are even bigger/wider models for cutting water pipe trenches. > > I have heard that most quarries use cable saws for slabbing the huge > blocks they remove from careful blasting. > > Kreigh > > > > > J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > > So where do they use those saws? Quarries? > > > > BK > > > > On 9/16/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > > > > > I get some strange questions to my hobby website, and the one below > got > > > me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws for sale for > > > $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would like to see it. Go > to > > > > > > http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg > > > > > > to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 hours of use, so if > > > you want to buy it, go to > > > > > > http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm > > > > > > where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click on the 'Make' for > > > the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. > > > > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi...... > > > > With regards to you and your company am Roger Williams,And i will > like > > > > to make an enquiry of aRock Saws .And also want to know if you can > > > > get me the Model of > > > > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back with the price range > > > > on this Model.I will please like you to come back with the unit > price > > > > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how to put my order.And > > > > also want to the exact figure you do carry in stock,So that i may > > > > select from you.Thank you very much for your service and hope my > > > > request will be given its favourable attention,And i will be > waitting > > > > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know if you are the > owner > > > > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have a nice time and > stay > > > > blessed.Thanks.Williams. > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Mon Sep 17 08:35:43 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Sep 17 08:35:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <46ED63320000A443@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com> <004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> <000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> <436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> <46ED63320000A443@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:32:14 -1000, Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: >As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't vote, but will anyway. Yea. Add another yes vote. Looking at rocks is what it's all about :-) > >Aloha, Kitty > >At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: > >>A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at ning.com >>(so it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with it >>yet, and it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows >>uploading of photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways you >>can drop, say, a GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people can >>download it. (Ning does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking >>that this is all we would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > >> If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in >>about an hour, then all of the images people want to upload will be >>in the same place. (And I'd love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) >> >>Julie -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From totis99 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 11:02:43 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Mon Sep 17 11:02:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Website Volunteers (was) New format for the emailgroup In-Reply-To: <000801c7f8aa$5ab26d00$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <786784.36857.qm@web36709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yes!!!!!! :) --- Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > Yea! > Jeanette > > > > A thought, though - I did reserve the name > "rockhounds" at ning.com (so > > it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done > anything with it yet, and > > it's not intended to replace the site, but it > allows uploading of photos > > and videos and stuff - there are even ways you can > drop, say, a GPS > > waypoints file on this site, so that people can > download it. (Ning does > > quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking that > this is all we would > > want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > > > > > > I sent this information to the admin team about 2 > months ago, explicitly > > regarding uploading rockhounds images, because I > had figured it would > > allow rockhounds to have a place to upload > pictures SOONER. If I get 10 > > votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in > about an hour, then all > > of the images people want to upload will be in the > same place. (And I'd > > love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) > > > > Julie > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From tjokela at execulink.com Mon Sep 17 12:36:22 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Mon Sep 17 12:35:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw References: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <008901c7f962$074fa5c0$6400a8c0@Junior> Call me paranoid, but that's a textbook scam email if I've ever seen one. Terrible English, weird request, "stay blessed", and wants to pay by credit card..... big warning signs. Sincerely, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Hi...... > With regards to you and your company am Roger Williams,And i will like > to make an enquiry of a Rock Saws .And also want to know if you can > get me the Model of > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back with the price range > on this Model.I will please like you to come back with the unit price > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how to put my order.And > also want to the exact figure you do carry in stock,So that i may > select from you.Thank you very much for your service and hope my > request will be given its favourable attention,And i will be waitting > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know if you are the owner > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have a nice time and stay > blessed.Thanks.Williams. -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From berry at relia.net Mon Sep 17 13:48:38 2007 From: berry at relia.net (Berry Enterprises) Date: Mon Sep 17 13:50:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you! References: <46E749C4000CD099@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <017f01c7f96c$25fbed80$0200a8c0@secretary> I am a fairly new member of the list but I want you to know I enjoy it immensely. I like it the way it is. You do a really great job. I too enjoy the fact that it comes as email and I don't have to log in. If I'm too busy to go on every day, the information is still there waiting for me. I move and file it to my liking and future reference. Your site was recommended by a friend and it was a very worthwhile reference. Thanks so much. Katie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty & Bill Heacox" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: September 16, 2007 1:51 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you! I think I speak for the whole Admin Team when I say: Thank you! ...for the several recent supportive comments. It is often a frustrating and difficult job, and since we are all volunteers, I know that each of us at times has thought "Why am I doing this?" ...when there are flames or someone criticizes us for something we did or didn't do. But we do it for the love of the hobby, and for the many good folk on this list. Thanks for the support! Aloha, Kitty At 11:10 PM 9/14/2007, Rik Dillen wrote: >And BTW, my sincere thanks to the colleagues who are running the >list. They do a marvelous job. > >Just my 2 (euro-)cents... >Grts, > >Rik DILLEN -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 09/16/2007 6:32 PM From rik.dillen at skynet.be Mon Sep 17 13:58:38 2007 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Mon Sep 17 13:58:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <001b01c7f916$d8817cf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <20070914003642.EC4A11CC08@io.frii.com><004201c7f66d$61d4e980$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A><000c01c7f6bc$73076ee0$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46E749C4000A6928@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com><436f01c7f72f$7321b160$0300a8c0@warren> <46ED63320000A443@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) <001b01c7f916$d8817cf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <001901c7f96d$8516bd80$8f443880$@dillen@skynet.be> And my yes as well. Rik Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Axel Emmermann Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:38 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers Julie, Apparently I lost your message but I recuperated the basic idea from Kitty's "Yea". Please ad my "yeah". The list is and has always been a good thing. A firm "kudos" to the admin team is warranted ;-))) The Americans say: "if it ain't broken, don't fix it!" but the Japanese say: "If it's already good then just make it better". Adding value to the list without changing the looks and feel is the smartest thing to do. Is everybody happy? Yeah! Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2007 2:32 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers > > As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't vote, but will > anyway. Yea. > > Aloha, Kitty > > At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: > > >A thought, though - I did reserve the name "rockhounds" at > ning.com (so > >it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done anything with > it yet, and > >it's not intended to replace the site, but it allows uploading of > >photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways you can > drop, say, a > >GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people can download > it. (Ning > >does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking that this > is all we > >would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > > > If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the site set up in > >about an hour, then all of the images people want to upload > will be in > >the same place. (And I'd love to see some rockhounding videos - lol) > > > >Julie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Sep 17 14:09:18 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:09:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival References: <004601c7f8cc$8e8de830$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <001101c7f8d1$d8e3a780$d809a118@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <000e01c7f96f$034b6fb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Falls of the Ohio State Park, Clarksville, IN. Do a search on-line and you will find our web page. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Reynard" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Falls Fossil Festival > Where is the Falls Fossil Festival? From berry at relia.net Mon Sep 17 14:12:17 2007 From: berry at relia.net (Berry Enterprises) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:14:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip References: Message-ID: <01b201c7f96f$73d6ede0$0200a8c0@secretary> Wasatch Gem Society, Rock and Gem Show, will be October 26, 27, 28, 2007 in (SLC) Salt Lake City, Utah. The Tooele Gem Show is close to that date. I will get back with you with particulars on both shows. There is an Annual Rock Hound Rendevous at Floy Wash, near Moab, Utah, in connection with the Moab Gem Show, October 12,13,14, 2007. People come from all over the U.S. to hunt with us that weekend. We Utah rockhounds usually try to set aside some time to go a few days earlier, to get in lot's of extra time for rock hounding. It's a huge area and a rockhound's paradise. There is a commercial gem show that comes to SLC--3 times a year. They have rocks, minerals, and lot's of stuff for the beaders. the next one is Sept. 28, 29, 30, 2007, at South Towne Exposition Center, Salt Lake City, Utah. Hope this helps. I'll get more info and return. Katie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: September 09, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip Nice reports. Brings back lots of memories from the hippie era, my college days. Sounds like most were more interested in trades and connections for more dope than minerals. We saw several of the type in Hana, Maui when we were there a couple of years ago. Sounds like ya'll sorted through and found some cool rocks. And I had to go get myself a snack after reading about the burgers and cobbler. BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but very busy welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. If any of you will be in that area or know of any rock shows there then, we can probably get loose at least some. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo? 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It?s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live?. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.13/998 - Release Date: 09/10/2007 8:48 AM From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Sep 17 15:29:15 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Sep 17 15:29:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw References: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> <008901c7f962$074fa5c0$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <001e01c7f97a$2ec57f90$33fff604@TheBlackAdder> I'll second that, Tim. Sounds like one of those semi-literate Nigerian emails from an attorney "...representing the interests of the widow of the late Minister Whatchamacallit who left zillions of dollars......" Erich Kern ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Jokela Jr. To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw Call me paranoid, but that's a textbook scam email if I've ever seen one. Terrible English, weird request, "stay blessed", and wants to pay by credit card..... big warning signs. Sincerely, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > Hi...... > With regards to you and your company am Roger Williams,And i will like > to make an enquiry of a Rock Saws .And also want to know if you can > get me the Model of > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back with the price range > on this Model.I will please like you to come back with the unit price > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how to put my order.And > also want to the exact figure you do carry in stock,So that i may > select from you.Thank you very much for your service and hope my > request will be given its favourable attention,And i will be waitting > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know if you are the owner > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have a nice time and stay > blessed.Thanks.Williams. -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Sep 17 17:04:31 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Sep 17 17:04:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw References: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> <46EDE6C2.56A7@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000c01c7f987$7cd9d3e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Geologically speaking, the movie "Breaking Away" is set in Bloomington Indiana which is in an area known limestone quarries used for building stone. The layers within the Middle Mississippian Salem Limestone are composed of uncountable numbers of micro-fossils dominated by foraminifera, echinoderm plates, brachiopods, snails, bryozoan fragments and more. Its uniformity allows it to be worked in any direction. Columns, spheres, eagles, you name it... can be sculpted by the stone cutters. The mills have some really BIG lathes! It has been used for more than 150 years. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw > OK that makes sense, the kerf looked so wide I couldn't see why a quarry > would or could use one. The movie Breaking Away has some scenes with the > cable saws in it IIRC, tho it's been quite awhile since I watched it. It's > set around marble quarries. > > Of course in Florida they can do cable ditching with the Ditch Witch type > machines since we don't reall y have any hard rock in state. > > BK > > On 9/16/07, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >> >> Bryan, >> >> They are used for trenching thru rock to lay utility cables. Typical >> depth of cut is one yard; I think it is a three inch kerf. I understand >> there are even bigger/wider models for cutting water pipe trenches. >> >> I have heard that most quarries use cable saws for slabbing the huge >> blocks they remove from careful blasting. >> >> Kreigh From jayhawkmn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 17 19:04:43 2007 From: jayhawkmn at yahoo.com (June Young) Date: Mon Sep 17 19:04:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New format for the email group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <737041.17327.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I vote a yes. June Glenn Wimpee wrote: DITTO!!! Especially a separate website for FAQs and pics. Mega kudos to the MODs!!!! Glenn I agree that the list itself should stay as it is. We had considerable discussion on that topic when the current team took over from Aaron. It ain't broke- don't fix it. A separate website with FAQ and a place to post pictures would be a welcome addition, as long as the present list format isn't compromised. Jim Daly Todd Hamrick wrote: I love the list the way it is.Thanks Mods. Todd _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever ? Get MORE with Windows Live? Hotmail?. 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Watch previews, get listings, and more! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Sep 17 19:28:50 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Sep 17 19:29:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kudos References: <737041.17327.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00db01c7f99b$abb06620$0200a8c0@Notebook> I want to thank everyone for the kind kudos that you've bestowed upon us, The Lowly Admin Team. It means a lot. While our hobby isn't earthshaking (on topic...HA!) in its import, it's nice to have a community of like-minded folks to commune with. John Siebel Admin Team From territoones1 at ameritech.net Mon Sep 17 20:21:04 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Mon Sep 17 20:21:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <396071.79417.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <693115.82493.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Julie, I have learned so much since I became a list member last year! I consider myself a newbie, and probably always will (always something new to learn)! Thank you for doing such a swell job maintaining the list and its members! I think everyone I have spoken to have had a purpose here, and very good insight. I have truly enjoyed the discussions/opinions/humor and most everything else here on the drizzle list. Smiles, Teri Jetter P.S. Will be heading to Houston TX in 2 weeks. Are there any rocks/gem/mineral shows going at the end of Sept? --- Jim Daly wrote: > Julie, > Count me as a "yea". > Jim Daly > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > Julie, > > Apparently I lost your message but I recuperated the > basic idea from Kitty's > "Yea". > > Please ad my "yeah". > > The list is and has always been a good thing. A firm > "kudos" to the admin > team is warranted ;-))) > The Americans say: "if it ain't broken, don't fix > it!" but the Japanese say: > "If it's already good then just make it better". > Adding value to the list without changing the looks > and feel is the smartest > thing to do. Is everybody happy? Yeah! > > Cheers > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > Namens Kitty & > > Bill Heacox > > Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2007 2:32 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) > Website Volunteers > > > > As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't vote, > but will > > anyway. Yea. > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: > > > > >A thought, though - I did reserve the name > "rockhounds" at > > ning.com (so > > >it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done > anything with > > it yet, and > > >it's not intended to replace the site, but it > allows uploading of > > >photos and videos and stuff - there are even ways > you can > > drop, say, a > > >GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people > can download > > it. (Ning > > >does quite a bit more than this, but I'm thinking > that this > > is all we > > >would want to use it for, Rockhounds list-wise). > > > > > If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the > site set up in > > >about an hour, then all of the images people want > to upload > > will be in > > >the same place. (And I'd love to see some > rockhounding videos - lol) > > > > > >Julie > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a > reality with Yahoo! Autos. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Mon Sep 17 20:25:18 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Mon Sep 17 20:25:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] nvu.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <488686.94236.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glenn, I guess my mind is preoccupied with *who knows what*, I didn't even click "English". Go ahead and punish me, I probably deserve it. Axel did a wonderful job on his site! I liked what I did see. Must visit again, and do it right this time. Teri J --- Glenn Wimpee wrote: > I really enjoyed your site. It is also good to see > your picture and put a face on you. > > In my own slow way of doing things, I scrolled down > to the USA flag and selected "English". > > BTW, a few of my first "real" collected specimens > were fluorite and several others given to me by Dr. > Dix (I don't remember his first name). I had no clue > about fluorescent minerals then. Mostly they sat > around on shelves and in aquarium displays. In my > ignorance, I let the sun bleach some of them.... > > Dr. Dix was a long time member of the Mobile Rock > and Gem Society and he strongly influenced my > interest in our hobby back in the 1960s. > Glenn > > > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be> To: > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: > [Rockhounds] nvu.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 > 11:19:20 +0200> > O yes, I got to change that.> The > site is bilingual Dutch/English so I wrote the > captions and other stuff> exactly like that: Dutch > phrase/English phrase. The idea was to halve the> > number of pages.> I can imagine that if you don't > see that the first time, you may get> confused.> > Good point, I'll work on that before I add new > pages.> > Thanks> Axel> > > > -----Oorspronkelijk > bericht-----> > Van: > rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens > teresa jetter> > Verzonden: zaterdag 15 september > 2007 1:45> > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing > list for rock and gem > > collectors> > Onderwerp: > RE: [Rockhounds] nvu.com> > > > Hi Axel,> > Liked > your site~ Couldn't read but a few words, but thats > > > ok, I could stand to learn a new language, and > the pictures were good.> > Downloaded the Mac > version. Lets see what kind of trouble I > > can > find to get into!> > Thanks,> > Teri J> > --- Axel > Emmermann wrote:> > > > > > Teresa,> > > > > > I did> > >> > > http://users.pandora.be/axel.emmerman/mysite/FluorescenceHomepage.html> > > > with http://nvu.com/> > > in a few days time...> > > > There's a version for Apple, Linux and Windows > and it's free.> > > It's not a very steep learning > curve and getting "the hang of it" > > > largely > falls back on your general experience as a computer > user.> > > > > > My website is not "officially" > published yet, so there may be some > > > errors > there but I don't mind if people go take a peek > > > already. BTW: > > > if you see any errors please let > me know ;-)))> > > > > > Have a go!> > > > > > > Cheers> > > Axel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > > > Van: > rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]> > > > Namens teresa jetter> > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 14 > september 2007 2:22> > > > Aan: > Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for> > > rock > and gem> > > > collectors> > > > Onderwerp: RE: > [Rockhounds] standard question form> > > > > > > > > Hi Axel,> > > > Question- I am mostly a Mac > designer. That being> > > said, Do> > > > you know > if this software is made for Mac as well?> > > > I > have taken Dreamwweaver/Fireworks/Flash, but> > > > hated it!!!! > > > > It is tooo much sometimes! > > > > > Thanks for all of your great conversations.> > > > > Have a Great Day!> > > > Teri Jetter> > > > --- > Axel Emmermann > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Al,> > > > > > > > > > > Coffee cup makes all kinds of software for web> > > > development> > > > and music> > > > > and video.> > > > > > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ is one> > > > of them.> > > > > The animation generator that I > use is another> > > one of their products.> > > > > > > > > > > Axel> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > > > > > Van: > rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> > > > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]> > > > > > Namens Al Balmer> > > > > > Verzonden: maandag 10 > september 2007 4:19> > > > > > Aan: > Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list> > > for> > > > > > rock and gem> > > > > > collectors> > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard question> > > > form> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 > 20:06:00 +0200, "Axel> > > > > Emmermann"> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, but the form-generator is not flash.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The message seems to indicate > that it produces> > > > > Flash> > > > > > > animations. I don't know why it would matter> > > > what> > > > > package> > > > > > produced it. Unless > you're talking about some> > > > > other format,> > > > > > > not really Flash. Does it require a > different> > > > > browser plugin?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Axel> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > > > > > >> Van: > rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> > > > > > >>> > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com]> > > > > > Namens Al Balmer> > > > > > >> Verzonden: > zondag 9 september 2007 18:47> > > > > > >> Aan: > Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list> > > for> > > > > > rock and gem> > > > > > >> collectors> > > > > > > >> Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] standard> > > > question> > > > > form> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:34:30 +0200, "Axel> > > > > > Emmermann"> > > > > > >> > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >There is also > the VERY cheap but very> > > > > effective Coffee> > > > > > > Cup software.> > > > > > >> > >http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/ :> > > 39$.> > > > > > > >> >I use it to make flash animations (go > see> > > > > > >> http://www.uvsystems.com/ , I> > > > > > > >> >made those from photos by Jeff Scovil for> > > > Don> > > > > Newsome). > > > > > > Less options> > > > > > > >> >than Macromedia flash but it'll save > you> > > > > 1000$.> > > > > > >> >While you're > there: each time you press F5> > > or> > > > > > "refresh" there is> > > > > > >> >another animation > playing. There's one> > > from> > > > > Idaho, a > topaz> > > > > > >> from Boise county).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> One problem with Flash is that > many people> > > > > (like me) have> > > > > > it > disabled> > > > > > >> by default. Not that it's a > bad technology,> > > but> > > > > 99% of Flash is> > > > > > > >> highly obnoxious advertising.> > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > Al Balmer> > > > > > Sun > City, AZ> > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > > > > > Subscription Services:> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List > Usage> > > > > Policy:> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > > > > Subscription Services:> > > > >> > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List > Usage> > > > > Policy:> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > > > Subscription Services:> > > >> > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > > > Policy:> > > >> > >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > Subscription > Services:> > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage> > > > Policy:> > >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > > > > --> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > Subscription > Services:> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy:> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription > Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool > activities at the Messenger Caf?. > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Mon Sep 17 20:29:52 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Mon Sep 17 20:29:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw In-Reply-To: <46EDD5B4.3E3B@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <680976.93322.qm@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is strong enough to saw its way through a good old loaf of whole wheat bread! Ha, Ha, Ha! Teri J --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I get some strange questions to my hobby website, > and the one below got > me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws > for sale for > $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would > like to see it. Go to > > http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg > > to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 > hours of use, so if > you want to buy it, go to > > http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm > > where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click > on the 'Make' for > the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. > > Enjoy! > > Kreigh > > > > > > Roger Williams wrote: > > > > Hi...... > > With regards to you and your company am Roger > Williams,And i will like > > to make an enquiry of a?Rock Saws .And also want > to know if you can > > get me the Model of > > ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back > with the price range > > on this Model.I will please like you to come back > with the unit price > > of the exact Model for me so that i may know how > to put my order.And > > also want to the exact figure you do carry in > stock,So that i may > > select from you.Thank you very much for your > service and hope my > > request will be given its favourable attention,And > i will be waitting > > forward to hear from you.I will also want to know > if you are the owner > > and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have > a nice time and stay > > blessed.Thanks.Williams. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From bg at his.com Tue Sep 18 00:24:36 2007 From: bg at his.com (Catherine Gaber) Date: Tue Sep 18 00:24:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw In-Reply-To: <680976.93322.qm@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <680976.93322.qm@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:29 PM, teresa jetter wrote: > That is strong enough to saw its way through a good > old loaf of whole wheat bread! > Ha, Ha, Ha! > Teri J > > --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > >> I get some strange questions to my hobby website, >> and the one below got >> me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws >> for sale for >> $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would >> like to see it. Go to >> >> http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg >> >> to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 >> hours of use, so if >> you want to buy it, go to >> >> http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm >> >> where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click >> on the 'Make' for >> the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> >> >> >> Roger Williams wrote: >>> >>> Hi...... >>> With regards to you and your company am Roger >> Williams,And i will like >>> to make an enquiry of a?Rock Saws .And also want >> to know if you can >>> get me the Model of >>> ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back >> with the price range >>> on this Model.I will please like you to come back >> with the unit price >>> of the exact Model for me so that i may know how >> to put my order.And >>> also want to the exact figure you do carry in >> stock,So that i may >>> select from you.Thank you very much for your >> service and hope my >>> request will be given its favourable attention,And >> i will be waitting >>> forward to hear from you.I will also want to know >> if you are the owner >>> and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have >> a nice time and stay >>> blessed.Thanks.Williams. >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 08:01:56 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Sep 18 08:02:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat Could it be H2S from the crater? Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf?. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 08:08:52 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Sep 18 08:15:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> Glenn Wimpee wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ One wonders if it were an old satellite. Meteorites are cold. Don From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 08:26:03 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Sep 18 08:26:14 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 30 meter crater! That must have been one big meteor. I always treat these reports from the back of beyond with considerable suspicion. BK On 9/18/07, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > Glenn > ____________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Sep 18 08:31:57 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 08:32:06 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9C8202EBB25B7-D34-54C7@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> I read this story too.? It seems highly unlikely; perhaps there was a coincidental appearance of a fireball in the sky, with some kind of noxious gas emission from a volcanic crater or fumarole. Pete -----Original Message----- From: J Bryan Kramer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 9:26 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas 30 meter crater! That must have been one big meteor. I always treat these reports from the back of beyond with considerable suspicion. BK On 9/18/07, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > Glenn > ____________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Sep 18 10:03:52 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Sep 18 10:03:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Sharp thinking Don. If I recall right, old Russian satellites were fueled by dirty polonium reactor. Oh well, wasn't a reactor really, more like a sub critical mass of Po that heats itself to about 400 ?C and stays hot for a couple of centuries. Most spacecraft had them for heat and energy. Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: dinsdag 18 september 2007 16:09 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > > Glenn > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > One wonders if it were an old satellite. Meteorites are cold. > > Don > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 10:26:49 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Sep 18 10:26:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: These are still used on long duration planetary missions, thermoelectric reactors. I thought they used a different nuclide than Po that is in short supply. I think they were scheduling missions around the fuel supply. Here it is: Pu-238 is the preferred nuclide. ESA used one on their Cassini mission. BK On 9/18/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Sharp thinking Don. > If I recall right, old Russian satellites were fueled by dirty polonium > reactor. Oh well, wasn't a reactor really, more like a sub critical mass > of > Po that heats itself to about 400 ?C and stays hot for a couple of > centuries. Most spacecraft had them for heat and energy. > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > > Verzonden: dinsdag 18 september 2007 16:09 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > > > > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > > > Glenn > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > One wonders if it were an old satellite. Meteorites are cold. > > > > Don > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From folmstead at rcn.com Tue Sep 18 10:31:09 2007 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Tue Sep 18 10:31:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Rock Saw - bread In-Reply-To: References: <680976.93322.qm@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F00B5D.3000204@rcn.com> Hi WOW! I make honey whole wheat bread. I can eat it with my teeth .... and I do not knead a saw to cut it. Too large a saw would demolish (my) bread. GeorgiaO Catherine Gaber wrote: > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:29 PM, teresa jetter wrote: > >> That is strong enough to saw its way through a good >> old loaf of whole wheat bread! >> Ha, Ha, Ha! >> Teri J >> >> --- Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >> >>> I get some strange questions to my hobby website, >>> and the one below got >>> me wondering. I found one of these Vermeer rock saws >>> for sale for >>> $21,000 (plus shipping) and thought the list would >>> like to see it. Go to >>> >>> http://www.cowarts.com/images/0438.jpg >>> >>> to see a picture of this monster. Its only has 223 >>> hours of use, so if >>> you want to buy it, go to >>> >>> http://www.cowarts.com/forsale.htm >>> >>> where there is a bigger one for only $150,000 (click >>> on the 'Make' for >>> the picture) that has less than 4,000 hours. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Kreigh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Roger Williams wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi...... >>>> With regards to you and your company am Roger >>> >>> Williams,And i will like >>> >>>> to make an enquiry of a Rock Saws .And also want >>> >>> to know if you can >>> >>>> get me the Model of >>>> ( Vermeer Rock saw T600B ) ..Kindly advice back >>> >>> with the price range >>> >>>> on this Model.I will please like you to come back >>> >>> with the unit price >>> >>>> of the exact Model for me so that i may know how >>> >>> to put my order.And >>> >>>> also want to the exact figure you do carry in >>> >>> stock,So that i may >>> >>>> select from you.Thank you very much for your >>> >>> service and hope my >>> >>>> request will be given its favourable attention,And >>> >>> i will be waitting >>> >>>> forward to hear from you.I will also want to know >>> >>> if you are the owner >>> >>>> and do accept Credit Card as form of payment.Have >>> >>> a nice time and stay >>> >>>> blessed.Thanks.Williams. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>> Policy: >>> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >>> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Sep 18 14:00:04 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 14:00:26 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> This website from Reuters News has a video of the crater site & people milling about it and picking up fragments of (sulfurous??) (rock chips?) http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22439164-2,00.html I hope (& trust) it wasn't really a satellite with Po or Pu; those are too nasty.? That seems unlikely though.? I'm still inclined for a terrestrial explanation, but, who knows?? There is always the crashed UFO scenario. Pete -----Original Message----- From: J Bryan Kramer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:26 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas These are still used on long duration planetary missions, thermoelectric eactors. I thought they used a different nuclide than Po that is in short upply. I think they were scheduling missions around the fuel supply. Here t is: Pu-238 is the preferred nuclide. ESA used one on their Cassini ission. BK On 9/18/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: Sharp thinking Don. If I recall right, old Russian satellites were fueled by dirty polonium reactor. Oh well, wasn't a reactor really, more like a sub critical mass of Po that heats itself to about 400 ?C and stays hot for a couple of centuries. Most spacecraft had them for heat and energy. Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: dinsdag 18 september 2007 16:09 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > > Glenn > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > One wonders if it were an old satellite. Meteorites are cold. > > Don > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 14:21:39 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Sep 18 14:21:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There's one on Youtube: I couldn't get the AFN one to work, this reports no injuries just a sulfide odor. Big hole tho. BK On 9/18/07, pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > This website from Reuters News has a video of the crater site & people > milling about it and picking up fragments of (sulfurous??) (rock chips?) > > > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22439164-2,00.html > > I hope (& trust) it wasn't really a satellite with Po or Pu; those are too > nasty. That seems unlikely though. I'm still inclined for a terrestrial > explanation, but, who knows? There is always the crashed UFO scenario. > > Pete > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J Bryan Kramer > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors < > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:26 am > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas > > > > These are still used on long duration planetary missions, thermoelectric > eactors. I thought they used a different nuclide than Po that is in short > upply. I think they were scheduling missions around the fuel supply. Here > t is: Pu-238 is the preferred nuclide. ESA used one on their Cassini > ission. > > BK > On 9/18/07, Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Sharp thinking Don. > If I recall right, old Russian satellites were fueled by dirty polonium > reactor. Oh well, wasn't a reactor really, more like a sub critical mass > of > Po that heats itself to about 400 ?C and stays hot for a couple of > centuries. Most spacecraft had them for heat and energy. > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > > Verzonden: dinsdag 18 september 2007 16:09 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas > > > > Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070918/sc_afp/peruhealthoffbeat > > > > > > Could it be H2S from the crater? > > > Glenn > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > One wonders if it were an old satellite. Meteorites are cold. > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 16:42:01 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Sep 18 16:42:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? Well when I was a kid, we used Estes model rockets with various modifications. Back then I didn't know anything about aerodynamics or center of gravity, so they usually had eccentric flight paths, tracing figure eights in the sky or aiming for people's heads. I never did get a satellite into orbit. As far as what the professionals did, I have no idea... that would be a good web search topic. Yours truly, Brother Don From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 17:22:34 2007 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue Sep 18 17:22:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Meteor(sic) releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <717027.55639.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > This website from Reuters News has a video of the > crater site & people milling about it and picking up crashed UFO scenario. > > Pete Some of the fragments I saw being picked up in the video appeared similar to the meteorite Norton County: an Aubrite, which is almost pure enstatite, MgSiO3. If memory serves, Norton County(1949?) was the largest single stony meteorite ever recovered. The mass fell into a stock pond where some cowboys were swimming. It was immediately hauled out,likely with the aid of horse power. This excavation pit doesn't have the hallmarks of a bomb crater, nor fumarole, nor a meteorite impact pit. However for now the best candidate seems to be a meteorite, IMO. Elton From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Sep 18 17:36:06 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Sep 18 17:36:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] enstatite (was) Meteor(sic) releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <717027.55639.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> <717027.55639.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F036C800008925@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) At 02:22 PM 9/18/2007, Elton wrote: >Some of the fragments I saw being picked up in the >video appeared similar to the meteorite Norton County: >an Aubrite, which is almost pure enstatite, MgSiO3. The following poem would undoubtedly be posted by Richard Dale if he weren't getting ready to go on vacation tomorrow: Aloha,Kitty The Judgement I dreamed the judgement came to me by night They stood around my bed, severe of mein And asked one question "what is enstatite?" "It is an orthorhombic pyroxene," I said, and as I spoke I heard the jangle Of planets crashing down the cosmic seas. I added hastily: "It's cleavage angle is eighty-seven (more or less) degrees. If it were fifty-six, not eighty-seven We should, quite clearly, have an amphibole." At this they swept me, singing up to heaven, Where angels' hands received my battered soul. R.P. Lister, 1960 From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 17:47:28 2007 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue Sep 18 17:47:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Meteor(sic) releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <66393.88756.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > This website from Reuters News has a video of the > crater site & people milling about it and picking up crashed UFO scenario. > > Pete Some of the fragments I saw being picked up in the video appeared similar to the meteorite Norton County: an Aubrite, which is almost pure enstatite, MgSiO3. If memory serves, Norton County(1949?) was the largest single stony meteorite ever recovered. The mass fell into a stock pond where some cowboys were swimming. It was immediately hauled out,likely with the aid of horse power. This excavation pit doesn't have the hallmarks of a bomb crater, nor fumarole, nor a meteorite impact pit. However for now the best candidate seems to be a meteorite, IMO. Elton From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Sep 18 17:59:17 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 17:59:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] enstatite (was) Meteor(sic) releases poison gas Message-ID: Elton, Kitty, Lis, I did notice that the fragments the fellow was holding looking white, yes, perhaps like that kind of meteorite; or, like some kind of sulfur-encrusted volcanic deposit??? (I guess I'm still using "multiple working hypotheses about this phenomenon.) It did make me think about how some kinds of carbonaceous chondrites COULD potentially contain a variety of gaseous/volatile hydrocarbons or nitrogen/sulfur compounds, that could conceivalbly produce unpleasant or toxic volatile fumes... And Kitty, I'm still puzzling over whether that poem (and I googled it and found it on Richard Dale's website too, but not much of anywhere else) is really something in its original version, or is it a mineral collector's takeoff on something "classic"? Of course, I never heard of R.P. Lister before, nor Richard Dale either (sorry, sir). Ah, the things this List gets in to, and the things we learn from it! Pete M. In a message dated 9/18/2007 6:38:16 PM Mountain Daylight Time, kahako@hawaiiantel.net writes: At 02:22 PM 9/18/2007, Elton wrote: >Some of the fragments I saw being picked up in the >video appeared similar to the meteorite Norton County: >an Aubrite, which is almost pure enstatite, MgSiO3. The following poem would undoubtedly be posted by Richard Dale if he weren't getting ready to go on vacation tomorrow: Aloha,Kitty The Judgement I dreamed the judgement came to me by night They stood around my bed, severe of mein And asked one question "what is enstatite?" "It is an orthorhombic pyroxene," I said, and as I spoke I heard the jangle Of planets crashing down the cosmic seas. I added hastily: "It's cleavage angle is eighty-seven (more or less) degrees. If it were fifty-six, not eighty-seven We should, quite clearly, have an amphibole." At this they swept me, singing up to heaven, Where angels' hands received my battered soul. R.P. Lister, 1960 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Sep 18 18:20:30 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Sep 18 18:20:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] enstatite (was) Meteor(sic) releases poison gas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46E749C40014529B@n120.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) At 02:59 PM 9/18/2007, Pete M wrote: > And Kitty, I'm still puzzling over whether that poem (and I googled it and >found it on Richard Dale's website too, but not much of anywhere else) is >really something in its original version, or is it a mineral >collector's takeoff >on something "classic"? Of course, I never heard of R.P. Lister before, nor >Richard Dale either (sorry, sir). Richard Dale was on the List for a while in 2001 - 2002, dropped off, and recently rejoined. As you saw, he has a website www.dalerocks.com and in my opinion, formed over seven years as a satisfied customer, he is a fair and honest dealer, with a good sense of humor to boot. I'll ask him about the poem when he arrives here on Monday; he and his wife are taking a 15-day cruise to Hawaii and on Monday I'm meeting the ship and taking them to the Volcanoes Park for a few hours. Aloha, Kitty From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Sep 18 19:23:06 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Sep 18 19:17:00 2007 Subject: OT: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas} References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> Message-ID: <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> I also launched Estes model rockets as a kid. Then I refilled the engine casings with carmel candy fuel (potassium nitrate and sugar melted in a double boiler on the kitchen stove) and reused them a couple more times. I also made my own paper engines for 'bottle rockets' using more exotic packed powder fuels containing substances like potassium chlorate, lead oxide, and metal powders (zinc and aluminum). I never got anything into orbit either, but I once made a three foot crater in the yard. Rockhounding and Rocket Science are related by Chemistry, and a need for Safety. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? > > Well when I was a kid, we used Estes model rockets with various > modifications. Back then I didn't know anything about aerodynamics or > center of gravity, so they usually had eccentric flight paths, tracing > figure eights in the sky or aiming for people's heads. I never did get > a satellite into orbit. > > As far as what the professionals did, I have no idea... that would be a > good web search topic. > > Yours truly, > Brother Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bilmcc1948 at msn.com Tue Sep 18 20:03:48 2007 From: bilmcc1948 at msn.com (Bill McCullough) Date: Tue Sep 18 20:03:44 2007 Subject: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas} In-Reply-To: <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net><001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Is that how you get potassium nitrate and sugar to work? I spent two summers trying to get various mixtures and dried solutions to work. The cigar tube rockets I was using just sat there and sizzled. I had acquired a bottle of potassium chlorate to up the oxidation ante, but my dad caught me with it and that was the end of my rocketry until I had boys of my own (If you don't count telling people to shoot missiles at attacking aircraft!) --Bill McCullough -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:23 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: OT: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas} I also launched Estes model rockets as a kid. Then I refilled the engine casings with carmel candy fuel (potassium nitrate and sugar melted in a double boiler on the kitchen stove) and reused them a couple more times. I also made my own paper engines for 'bottle rockets' using more exotic packed powder fuels containing substances like potassium chlorate, lead oxide, and metal powders (zinc and aluminum). I never got anything into orbit either, but I once made a three foot crater in the yard. Rockhounding and Rocket Science are related by Chemistry, and a need for Safety. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? > > Well when I was a kid, we used Estes model rockets with various > modifications. Back then I didn't know anything about aerodynamics or > center of gravity, so they usually had eccentric flight paths, tracing > figure eights in the sky or aiming for people's heads. I never did get > a satellite into orbit. > > As far as what the professionals did, I have no idea... that would be a > good web search topic. > > Yours truly, > Brother Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 20:23:27 2007 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue Sep 18 20:23:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Meteor(sic) releases poison gas In-Reply-To: <8C9C84E05900378-D34-6DD1@webmail-da16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <667863.59311.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > This website from Reuters News has a video of the > crater site & people milling about it and picking up crashed UFO scenario. > > Pete Some of the fragments I saw being picked up in the video appeared similar to the meteorite Norton County: an Aubrite, which is almost pure enstatite, MgSiO3. If memory serves, Norton County(1949?) was the largest single stony meteorite ever recovered. The mass fell into a stock pond where some cowboys were swimming. It was immediately hauled out,likely with the aid of horse power. This excavation pit doesn't have the hallmarks of a bomb crater, nor fumarole, nor a meteorite impact pit. However for now the best candidate seems to be a meteorite, IMO. Elton From mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com Tue Sep 18 20:37:04 2007 From: mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com (Sandra B. Gee) Date: Tue Sep 18 20:37:08 2007 Subject: Rock Show In Houston, TX (was) [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) Website Volunteers In-Reply-To: <693115.82493.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89133.63425.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Teri, Unfortunately, you will be in Houston a bit too late for the Houston Gem and Mineral Society's annual show that will be happening this weekend. See http://www.hgms.org/ Sandra Gee, Houston, TX --- teresa jetter wrote: > Julie, > I have learned so much since I became a list member > last year! I consider myself a newbie, and probably > always will (always something new to learn)! > Thank you for doing such a swell job maintaining the > list and its members! > I think everyone I have spoken to have had a purpose > here, and very good insight. > I have truly enjoyed the discussions/opinions/humor > and most everything else here on the drizzle list. > Smiles, > Teri Jetter > P.S. Will be heading to Houston TX in 2 weeks. Are > there any rocks/gem/mineral shows going at the end > of > Sept? > > --- Jim Daly wrote: > > > Julie, > > Count me as a "yea". > > Jim Daly > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Julie, > > > > Apparently I lost your message but I recuperated > the > > basic idea from Kitty's > > "Yea". > > > > Please ad my "yeah". > > > > The list is and has always been a good thing. A > firm > > "kudos" to the admin > > team is warranted ;-))) > > The Americans say: "if it ain't broken, don't fix > > it!" but the Japanese say: > > "If it's already good then just make it better". > > Adding value to the list without changing the > looks > > and feel is the smartest > > thing to do. Is everybody happy? Yeah! > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] > > Namens Kitty & > > > Bill Heacox > > > Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2007 2:32 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > > rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] uploading photos (was) > > Website Volunteers > > > > > > As an Admin Team Member I probably shouldn't > vote, > > but will > > > anyway. Yea. > > > > > > Aloha, Kitty > > > > > > At 02:29 PM 9/14/2007, Julie wrote: > > > > > > >A thought, though - I did reserve the name > > "rockhounds" at > > > ning.com (so > > > >it'd be rockhounds.ning.com). I haven't done > > anything with > > > it yet, and > > > >it's not intended to replace the site, but it > > allows uploading of > > > >photos and videos and stuff - there are even > ways > > you can > > > drop, say, a > > > >GPS waypoints file on this site, so that people > > can download > > > it. (Ning > > > >does quite a bit more than this, but I'm > thinking > > that this > > > is all we > > > >would want to use it for, Rockhounds > list-wise). > > > > > > > If I get 10 votes saying "yea" I can have the > > site set up in > > > >about an hour, then all of the images people > want > > to upload > > > will be in > > > >the same place. (And I'd love to see some > > rockhounding videos - lol) > > > > > > > >Julie > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it > a > > reality with Yahoo! Autos. > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Sep 18 21:14:21 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Sep 18 21:07:29 2007 Subject: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas} References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net><001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> <004501c7fa69$b3bf0960$2e01a8c0@TTop> Message-ID: <46F0A077.783D@Tomaszewski.net> Bill, I now know that making carmel candy fuel without real precautions was crazy, but I only made small batches; my Mom made me cook young until I figured it out. Carmel candy fuel really does work. You really don't want to be nearby if something goes wrong with a batch - during preparation, pouring, or at launch. Learn to make candy first. When I was growing up my corner pharmacy sold any chemical (with a parent's signature). and held chemistry classes for interested kids every Saturday in the garage of the nearby mortician. I had supportive parents. I was lucky. Kreigh Bill McCullough wrote: > > Is that how you get potassium nitrate and sugar to work? I spent two summers > trying to get various mixtures and dried solutions to work. The cigar tube > rockets I was using just sat there and sizzled. I had acquired a bottle of > potassium chlorate to up the oxidation ante, but my dad caught me with it > and that was the end of my rocketry until I had boys of my own (If you don't > count telling people to shoot missiles at attacking aircraft!) > > --Bill McCullough > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: OT: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison > gas} > > I also launched Estes model rockets as a kid. Then I refilled the engine > casings with carmel candy fuel (potassium nitrate and sugar melted in a > double boiler on the kitchen stove) and reused them a couple more times. > > I also made my own paper engines for 'bottle rockets' using more exotic > packed powder fuels containing substances like potassium chlorate, lead > oxide, and metal powders (zinc and aluminum). > > I never got anything into orbit either, but I once made a three foot > crater in the yard. > > Rockhounding and Rocket Science are related by Chemistry, and a need for > Safety. > > Kreigh > > DonH wrote: > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? > > > > Well when I was a kid, we used Estes model rockets with various > > modifications. Back then I didn't know anything about aerodynamics or > > center of gravity, so they usually had eccentric flight paths, tracing > > figure eights in the sky or aiming for people's heads. I never did get > > a satellite into orbit. > > > > As far as what the professionals did, I have no idea... that would be a > > good web search topic. > > > > Yours truly, > > Brother Don > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue Sep 18 21:23:50 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue Sep 18 21:24:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [OT] Model Rockets References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net><001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002e01c7fa74$e5b938e0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Aah Estes rockets! Launched a few myself. Including the one with the crappy pinhole camera. Damned near blew my hand off. Still available at http://www.estesrockets.com/ for those of us who never grew up. JDS From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 22:22:24 2007 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Sep 18 22:22:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Model Rockets In-Reply-To: References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net><001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP><46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Ya'll went and did it, so I gotta tell my rocket story. A neighbor boy, Jimmy, and I made a "rocket" when we were both about 12. No fancy store-bought kits for us. Our rocket was a 24 inch section of old aluminum TV antenna pole.We crimped one end for the nose and fashioned some rough fins with some junk tin roofing. Our launching tube was a section of galvanized steel pipe. Now the "good" part: for "solid" fuel we mixed 1 part powdered zinc with 2 parts sulpher and packed the rocket full and packet it tight. We tried several combinations and the 1 to 2 ratio burned hottest and fastest of our mixtures. Both ingredients were readily available at the local hardware store. Even for 12 year old boys. The first attempt at firing failed. We had simply made a narrow trail of the sulpher and zinc powder from the "launch pad" about 20 feet long and lit it with a match from "safe cover" at the outside water fountain in the school yard. Did I mention our launch site was the school yard? And in our little city they really didn't like us urchins playing unsupervised there. No tellin' what we might get into... For the next try we did basically the same thing, except we left a nice mound of fuel at the base of the rocket to give it a better chance of ignition. Second match and the fuel trail fizzed and smoked and smelled and the little mound of fuel burned pretty good. Good enough to ignite the rocket!!!! Lots of fire, smoke, and a big FOOF!!! It was off on a near perfect trajectory right where we aimed the pipe launching tube. Higher and farther than we ever imagined! Beautiful yellow and green fire and a heavy smoke trail leading right back to....us! We were ecstatic at our success and still admiring the rocket for what seemed like minutes but was really only a few seconds. Then, just past the apogee of the flight, what was left of the fuel reached its flash point.....BOOM!!!! What a sight! One of the best fireworks I've ever seen. Did I mention the school was in a densely populated area? Fortunately all the debris fell back into the school grounds, but far from the launch pad. And not far from several homes and businesses bordering the playground. Fortunately also no one else was trespassing there at the same time. If I remember correctly, we didn't panic until we heard the fire engine's siren. We chunked the launch tube behind some shrubbery and left our own hot trails! Either Jimmy or I decided it was not good to run straight home and to take separate routes. Amazing what we learned from cowboys and indians and western outlaw TV shows.... It was the perfect crime. And an almost perfect rocket flight! Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf?. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Wed Sep 19 03:26:35 2007 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Wed Sep 19 03:26:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue Removal... Message-ID: <20070919102635.1169.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all I have recently acquired a specimen which on close inspection, shows that at some time, it has been glued onto something. Now normally, I wouldn't particularly worry about it. Who really cares if the base of your specimen has some glue on it? Nobody really looks at the base. However, this recent addition is different. It is a specimen of crystalline native silver. Matrix-free. You don't notice the glue until you look at the specimen under magnification. Without this, it looks a bit like quartz or calcite or something similar. I am currently soaking the specimen in warm water. I pulled it out after about 15 minutes but couldn't see any change. It does appear a bit more pliable though. I can prise of bits carefully with a needle. So to my questions... 1. How long will water-soluble glue take to go (or does it just change consistency)? This glue may have been there for more than 20 years. 2. What do I do if I can't remove it with water? This is a nice specimen and particularly important because of where it is from (New Zealand where silver is very rare). I don't think that I would like to try acetone or something like that, in case it affects the silver. Any suggestions? BTW - I will post another email to let you know how I go after having soaked it for longer... Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 05:38:32 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Sep 19 05:38:37 2007 Subject: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison gas} In-Reply-To: References: <46EFEA04.6030307@verizon.net> <001601c7fa15$e41f6b30$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <46F06249.3070505@verizon.net> <46F08674.78ED@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: IIRC the mixture is 2 parts KNO3 and 1 part sugar but caramel candy works better, safer that is. The rocket can explode if there is a crack in the poured fuel and caramel provides a softer flexible mix which is less likely to crack. Professionals use perchlorate and rubber compound, which I believe is what fuels the solid rockets on the SST. You melt the caramel and mix in the KNO3 and pour the hot mix into the rocket casing being very very careful not to get the fuel on the threads at the end of the tube where you screw the motor in. Generally you need to cast the fuel with a dowel in the center to provide an open center channel. The dowel is pulled out when the fuel solidifies. The igniter, IIRC, should be placed in the open channel. BK On 9/18/07, Bill McCullough wrote: > > Is that how you get potassium nitrate and sugar to work? I spent two > summers > trying to get various mixtures and dried solutions to work. The cigar tube > rockets I was using just sat there and sizzled. I had acquired a bottle of > potassium chlorate to up the oxidation ante, but my dad caught me with it > and that was the end of my rocketry until I had boys of my own (If you > don't > count telling people to shoot missiles at attacking aircraft!) > > --Bill McCullough > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:23 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: OT: Model Rockets {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Meteor releases poison > gas} > > I also launched Estes model rockets as a kid. Then I refilled the engine > casings with carmel candy fuel (potassium nitrate and sugar melted in a > double boiler on the kitchen stove) and reused them a couple more times. > > I also made my own paper engines for 'bottle rockets' using more exotic > packed powder fuels containing substances like potassium chlorate, lead > oxide, and metal powders (zinc and aluminum). > > I never got anything into orbit either, but I once made a three foot > crater in the yard. > > Rockhounding and Rocket Science are related by Chemistry, and a need for > Safety. > > Kreigh > > > > > DonH wrote: > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > Don't know about US satellites... What did you guys use? > > > > Well when I was a kid, we used Estes model rockets with various > > modifications. Back then I didn't know anything about aerodynamics or > > center of gravity, so they usually had eccentric flight paths, tracing > > figure eights in the sky or aiming for people's heads. I never did get > > a satellite into orbit. > > > > As far as what the professionals did, I have no idea... that would be a > > good web search topic. > > > > Yours truly, > > Brother Don > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From johnsnml at comcast.net Wed Sep 19 08:30:30 2007 From: johnsnml at comcast.net (Margaret Johnson) Date: Wed Sep 19 08:29:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Portland, OR Regional Gem & Mineral Show Message-ID: <01df01c7fad2$043f4540$85e31118@JOHNSNML> The Portland Regional Gem and Mineral Show (Fri, Sept 28-Sun, Sep 30. This year it will feature Fossils. If you have a chance, check it out. More info on: (Use Internet Explorer, Netscape doesn't work for the link) http://www.portlandregionalgemandmineral.org/ Paleontology Symposium Saturday, September 29th 9:00am-2:00pm General Admission $18.00 Studens and Show Volunteers $11.00 (symposium fee also includes show admission) Speakers Dr. Jeffrey Myers Dr. William Orr Ellen Morris Bishop --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Sep 19 08:32:43 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Sep 19 08:32:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Giant Trilobite on the Sun Message-ID: <000e01c7fad2$53ae0c60$21fff604@TheBlackAdder> NASA Science News for September 18, 2007 Last week in Boulder, Colorado, scientists converged on the "Living With A Star" workshop to share the latest research in solar physics. At one point, nearly 200 participants sat slack-jawed as they watched a new movie recorded by Japan's Hinode spacecraft showing a sunspot emerging from the depths of the sun. The newborn spot resembled nothing less than a swimming planet-sized trilobite. See for yourself--and find out what it means--in today's Science@NASA story. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/18sep_trilobite.htm?list45783 Check out our RSS feed at http://science.nasa.gov/rss.xml! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Sep 19 09:07:32 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Sep 19 09:08:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Portland, OR Regional Gem & Mineral Show In-Reply-To: <01df01c7fad2$043f4540$85e31118@JOHNSNML> References: <01df01c7fad2$043f4540$85e31118@JOHNSNML> Message-ID: <46F14944.90609@verizon.net> Margaret Johnson wrote: > The Portland Regional Gem and Mineral Show (Fri, Sept 28-Sun, Sep 30. > > > This year it will feature Fossils. If you have a chance, check it out. More info on: > > (Use Internet Explorer, Netscape doesn't work for the link) > > http://www.portlandregionalgemandmineral.org/ Hi, I got it to open in Netscape. But the webmasters should really design it so it opens in any browser. Good luck, Don From nospam at orerockon.com Wed Sep 19 09:52:21 2007 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Sep 19 09:52:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Portland, OR Regional Gem & Mineral Show In-Reply-To: <46F14944.90609@verizon.net> References: <01df01c7fad2$043f4540$85e31118@JOHNSNML> <46F14944.90609@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200709191652.l8JGq55E011243@bubbleator.drizzle.com> The regional needs a webmaster in the first place. Did you just volunteer, Don? :) I will be demonstrating fossil preparation at the NARG booth (if you can call it that lol) for most of the show. Come see us blow up rocks in my microwave! Make big rocks into teeny tiny rocks! Play with power tools! And glue our fingers together (and some peoples' butts to their chairs lol) with superglue! At 09:07 AM 9/19/2007, you wrote: >Margaret Johnson wrote: > >>The Portland Regional Gem and Mineral Show (Fri, Sept 28-Sun, Sep 30. >> >> This year it will feature Fossils. If you have a chance, >> check it out. More info on: >> (Use Internet Explorer, Netscape doesn't work for the link) >> http://www.portlandregionalgemandmineral.org/ > >Hi, > >I got it to open in Netscape. But the webmasters should really >design it so it opens in any browser. > >Good luck, >Don Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From albalmer at att.net Wed Sep 19 10:36:27 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Sep 19 10:36:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Portland, OR Regional Gem & Mineral Show In-Reply-To: <01df01c7fad2$043f4540$85e31118@JOHNSNML> References: <01df01c7fad2$043f4540$85e31118@JOHNSNML> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:30:30 -0700, "Margaret Johnson" wrote: > (Use Internet Explorer, Netscape doesn't work for the link) Firefox handles it just fine. If I had to use IE, I wouldn't bother. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From silverado at frontiernet.net Wed Sep 19 11:47:36 2007 From: silverado at frontiernet.net (Gail) Date: Wed Sep 19 11:47:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue Removal... References: <20070919102635.1169.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <001c01c7faed$8c8fdca0$c2bd214a@gail7diqufk9xy> try vinegar. works on just about anything with glue problems. let it soak for awhile. Just regular stuff ----- Original Message ----- From: "magnet" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue Removal... > Hi all > > I have recently acquired a specimen which on close inspection, shows that > at some time, it has been glued onto something. Now normally, I wouldn't > particularly worry about it. Who really cares if the base of your specimen > has some glue on it? Nobody really looks at the base. > > However, this recent addition is different. It is a specimen of > crystalline native silver. Matrix-free. You don't notice the glue until > you look at the specimen under magnification. Without this, it looks a bit > like quartz or calcite or something similar. > > I am currently soaking the specimen in warm water. I pulled it out after > about 15 minutes but couldn't see any change. It does appear a bit more > pliable though. I can prise of bits carefully with a needle. > > So to my questions... > 1. How long will water-soluble glue take to go (or does it just change > consistency)? This glue may have been there for more than 20 years. > 2. What do I do if I can't remove it with water? This is a nice specimen > and particularly important because of where it is from (New Zealand where > silver is very rare). I don't think that I would like to try acetone or > something like that, in case it affects the silver. > > Any suggestions? > > BTW - I will post another email to let you know how I go after having > soaked it for longer... > > Regards > Steve > > Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Sep 19 17:00:24 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Sep 19 16:50:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Glue Removal... References: <20070919102635.1169.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <46F1B5BE.7492@Tomaszewski.net> If it were my specimen it would soak at least overnight, and probably would soak a full day. I would probably add a mild soap or detergent to the water. Unless it is too fragile, I would use a toothbrush to attack the softened glue. I would do more of the same if it seemed to be working. If not I would toss it in the freezer for a few hours to see if that would pop the glue off. If water and temperature change was not working I would probably try vinegar next, and then nail polish remover. Save the bits of glue that come off until you find something that works. You can test solvents with them to try to find something that works. Then test any solvent that works on the glue flakes with another silver specimen to make sure it will not affect the good specimen (or test with a small drop on an obscure spot if you have no other specimen). Good luck. Old glue can try your patience. Kreigh magnet wrote: > > Hi all > > I have recently acquired a specimen which on close inspection, shows that at some time, it has been glued onto something. Now normally, I wouldn't particularly worry about it. Who really cares if the base of your specimen has some glue on it? Nobody really looks at the base. > > However, this recent addition is different. It is a specimen of crystalline native silver. Matrix-free. You don't notice the glue until you look at the specimen under magnification. Without this, it looks a bit like quartz or calcite or something similar. > > I am currently soaking the specimen in warm water. I pulled it out after about 15 minutes but couldn't see any change. It does appear a bit more pliable though. I can prise of bits carefully with a needle. > > So to my questions... > 1. How long will water-soluble glue take to go (or does it just change consistency)? This glue may have been there for more than 20 years. > 2. What do I do if I can't remove it with water? This is a nice specimen and particularly important because of where it is from (New Zealand where silver is very rare). I don't think that I would like to try acetone or something like that, in case it affects the silver. > > Any suggestions? > > BTW - I will post another email to let you know how I go after having soaked it for longer... > > Regards > Steve > > Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Sep 19 17:30:44 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Sep 19 17:30:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Meteor(sic) releases poison gas References: <667863.59311.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005301c7fb1d$7ba62d60$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I talked to a geologist at the Indiana Geological Survey who has a passive interest in meteorites. He is aware of the event and said that the area contains known sulfur-rich volcanic deposits. If a meteorite punched through the sediments, it could very easily release sequestered H2S. The fact the the police who were among the first on the scene and suffered the worst effects from the noxious gases would lend credence because the gases would decrease in intensity with time. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr EMan" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Meteor(sic) releases poison gas > > --- pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > >> This website from Reuters News has a video of the >> crater site & people milling about it and picking up > crashed UFO scenario. >> >> Pete > > Some of the fragments I saw being picked up in the > video appeared similar to the meteorite Norton County: > an Aubrite, which is almost pure enstatite, MgSiO3. If > memory serves, Norton County(1949?) was the largest > single stony meteorite ever recovered. The mass fell > into a stock pond where some cowboys were swimming. It > was immediately hauled out,likely with the aid of > horse power. > > This excavation pit doesn't have the hallmarks of a > bomb crater, nor fumarole, nor a meteorite impact pit. > However for now the best candidate seems to be a > meteorite, IMO. > > Elton > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Wed Sep 19 18:46:00 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Wed Sep 19 18:39:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble> <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> Message-ID: <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> Hi Ronnie, This may amuse you. It is only a very beginning, but self-coded, by hand, and what an ordeal! http://www.virtualfundy.com/VirtualFundyDIY.html Hans From bova at mindspring.com Wed Sep 19 18:47:46 2007 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Wed Sep 19 18:45:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble> <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <884BF9DF-FC46-4647-AE7F-2732A25E7D33@mindspring.com> Slip of the click? *g* Carol On Sep 19, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Hans Durstling wrote: > Hi Ronnie, > > This may amuse you. It is only a very beginning, but self-coded, by > hand, and what an ordeal! > > http://www.virtualfundy.com/VirtualFundyDIY.html > > Hans > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bova at mindspring.com Wed Sep 19 19:16:39 2007 From: bova at mindspring.com (Carol J. Bova) Date: Wed Sep 19 19:14:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <884BF9DF-FC46-4647-AE7F-2732A25E7D33@mindspring.com> References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble> <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> <884BF9DF-FC46-4647-AE7F-2732A25E7D33@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Sorry! Sent note on wrong post! *waving hello to everyone* Carol On Sep 19, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Carol J. Bova wrote: > Slip of the click? *g* > Carol > On Sep 19, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Hans Durstling wrote: > >> Hi Ronnie, >> >> This may amuse you. It is only a very beginning, but self-coded, >> by hand, and what an ordeal! >> >> http://www.virtualfundy.com/VirtualFundyDIY.html >> >> Hans >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From sinico at nbnet.nb.ca Wed Sep 19 19:23:21 2007 From: sinico at nbnet.nb.ca (Hans Durstling) Date: Wed Sep 19 19:14:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <884BF9DF-FC46-4647-AE7F-2732A25E7D33@mindspring.com> References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble> <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> <884BF9DF-FC46-4647-AE7F-2732A25E7D33@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <03ab8f7d85f5757de691d3761e480654@nbnet.nb.ca> Very much so! Sorry about that folks. Shoulda gone to private mail! - Hans ============= On 19-Sep-07, at 10:47 PM, Carol J. Bova wrote: > Slip of the click? *g* > > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Sep 19 19:51:25 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Sep 19 19:41:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble> <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <46F1DDBA.628F@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Hans, Thanks for the slip. Great website. Kreigh Hans Durstling wrote: > > Hi Ronnie, > > This may amuse you. It is only a very beginning, but self-coded, by > hand, and what an ordeal! > > http://www.virtualfundy.com/VirtualFundyDIY.html > > Hans > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 > Content-Length: 1603 From kugeln at peoplepc.com Wed Sep 19 22:02:20 2007 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Wed Sep 19 22:02:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens Message-ID: <002301c7fb43$6dcf47f0$55b45545@JOHN> I've been unhappy with the enamel paint and the inks I've been able to find the past several years. They don't seem to have the quality I remember from earlier years. Have any members found REALLY good currently available products, a paint and ink that just WON''t come off? Thanks for any suggestions. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 07:09:51 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu Sep 20 07:09:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <03ab8f7d85f5757de691d3761e480654@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <108500.98817.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hans, Don't apologize. I'm sure a lot of people on the list enjoyed your website. I sure did! Jim Daly Hans Durstling wrote: Very much so! Sorry about that folks. Shoulda gone to private mail! - Hans ============= On 19-Sep-07, at 10:47 PM, Carol J. Bova wrote: > Slip of the click? *g* > > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at att.net Thu Sep 20 08:04:24 2007 From: albalmer at att.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Sep 20 08:04:31 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble> <20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca> <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:46:00 -0300, Hans Durstling wrote: >Hi Ronnie, > >This may amuse you. It is only a very beginning, but self-coded, by >hand, and what an ordeal! > >http://www.virtualfundy.com/VirtualFundyDIY.html > >Hans Very nice, Hans. The page is well designed and executed. I look forward to seeing what's behind the not-yet-working "click here"s :-) -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Sep 20 09:29:37 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Sep 20 09:29:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens In-Reply-To: <002301c7fb43$6dcf47f0$55b45545@JOHN> References: <002301c7fb43$6dcf47f0$55b45545@JOHN> Message-ID: <001801c7fba3$71085140$6401a8c0@AxelHP> A bit tedious but I do this: First select the side of the specimen that you DON'T show, the back- under- ugly side. Then make a small patch smooth with... Oops, don't know the English word for it... That white stuff that people use to correct spelling errors on paper. Comes in small bottles with the applicator brush on the inside of the cap... Just apply a thick layer on the patch and let it dry. Then you can write on it with a fine fiber tip marker or pen. Another way is: Apply small pieces of the REAL woven tensoplast (ye olde kind) on the back side of the specimen. Then you can put self-adhesive paper stickers on top of that. It 'll hold. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens > kugeln@peoplepc.com > Verzonden: donderdag 20 september 2007 6:02 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens > > I've been unhappy with the enamel paint and the inks I've > been able to find the past several years. They don't seem to > have the quality I remember from earlier years. > > Have any members found REALLY good currently available > products, a paint and ink that just WON''t come off? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pmodreski at aol.com Thu Sep 20 09:54:52 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Sep 20 09:55:00 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens In-Reply-To: <001801c7fba3$71085140$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <002301c7fb43$6dcf47f0$55b45545@JOHN> <001801c7fba3$71085140$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <8C9C9BE1908C474-E1C-64A6@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> My own technique--when I take the time to do it, this seems to be quite permanent, and I do it more often for important "rock" specimens than for minerals, because it's pretty permanent-- is to first paint a small rectangle with white enamel paint (I use a little bottle of the same type they use for model airplanes), let it dry well, write lettering on it with black ink?from a fine-pointed (0 or 00) KOH-I-NOOR Rapidograph pen, then when that has dried, paint a coating of clear nail polish over it. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Axel Emmermann To: kugeln@peoplepc.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:29 am Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens A bit tedious but I do this: First select the side of the specimen that you DON'T show, the back- under- ugly side. Then make a small patch smooth with... Oops, don't know the English word for it... That white stuff that people use to correct spelling errors on paper. Comes in small bottles with the applicator brush on the inside of the cap... Just apply a thick layer on the patch and let it dry. Then you can write on it with a fine fiber tip marker or pen. Another way is: Apply small pieces of the REAL woven tensoplast (ye olde kind) on the back side of the specimen. Then you can put self-adhesive paper stickers on top of that. It 'll hold. Cheers Axel ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kugeln at peoplepc.com Thu Sep 20 10:12:39 2007 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Thu Sep 20 10:12:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paint/Ink Message-ID: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN> Thanks, Pete and Axel. Axel, what's tensoplast? Pete, I THOUGHT I remembered that we used model airplane enamel in the "old days." And India ink. Hard to come by the latter now, at least of good quality. I'll try these methods. I've been using a rapidograph, but my problem has been getting either the label or the ink to stay. I take it the --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From murowchickj at umkc.edu Thu Sep 20 10:15:25 2007 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Thu Sep 20 10:15:33 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens In-Reply-To: <8C9C9BE1908C474-E1C-64A6@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That method has worked fairly well for me, too, though sometimes the clear nail polish (if it's a lacquer) can react with the white enamel if it is not sufficiently set. I also use white nail polish the same way. It is important to use a carbon black based ink (e.g. India ink) for permanence. Many inks use dark blue or near-black organic pigments (including Sharpies), and will either fade over time, or will be dissolved or smeared by the clear overcoat. A fine-point Ko-i-noor or drafting ink-filled Rapidograph pen is best, and permanent. Correction fluids (White-Out) have a matte surface, and are soft, sometimes causing bleeding of the ink. They can also produce a flakey patch, and really need to be overcoated with clear nail polish for durability. That said, it does work OK, and I've used that method off and on, but not for oft-handled bulk specimens in our student collections. Paper or adhesive tape patches are OK for a temporary tag, but they are not as durable as the enamel tags. Adhesives dry out over the years, and the tags pop loose unless they have been well overcoated with clear nail polish. If I have the time, I'll even make a smooth area with nail polish, which will enhance adhesion of a sticker to the surface. After applying the sticker, I'll overcoat/seal the tag with more nail polish. The advantage of paper stickers is that you can print them on a compute and even tie that info into a larger database for the specimens, making it easy to make a new tag if needed. Permanence of the tag is very important. If the specimen is separated from its label, the specimen number may be the only link connecting the specimen to its collection info. Jim On 9/20/07 11:54 AM, "pmodreski@aol.com" wrote: > My own technique--when I take the time to do it, this seems to be quite > permanent, and I do it more often for important "rock" specimens than for > minerals, because it's pretty permanent-- > > is to first paint a small rectangle with white enamel paint (I use a little > bottle of the same type they use for model airplanes), let it dry well, write > lettering on it with black ink?from a fine-pointed (0 or 00) KOH-I-NOOR > Rapidograph pen, then when that has dried, paint a coating of clear nail > polish over it. > > Pete > From donhalterman at verizon.net Thu Sep 20 10:23:58 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Thu Sep 20 10:29:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paint/Ink In-Reply-To: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN> References: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN> Message-ID: <46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net> kugeln@peoplepc.com wrote: > Thanks, Pete and Axel. Axel, what's tensoplast? > > Pete, I THOUGHT I remembered that we used model airplane enamel in the "old days." And India ink. Hard to come by the latter now, at least of good quality. > > I'll try these methods. I've been using a rapidograph, but my problem has been getting either the label or the ink to stay. I take it the > There is always the option of printing a number in small type on acid-free rag paper, and gluing it to the specimen with water-soluble acide-free glue. This is reversible on non-water-soluble specimens, and it adheres an easily readable label to some otherwise rough and grainy matrices. Best, Don P.S. I think tensoplast is a kind of gauze bandage--I've seen old specimens with labels that look like the substrate is made of a bandage or other cloth, and they are dry and cracked and the numbers are often unreadable. From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Thu Sep 20 10:49:08 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Thu Sep 20 10:48:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paint/Ink In-Reply-To: <46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Don Halterman wrote: There is always the option of printing a number in small type on acid-free rag paper, and gluing it to the specimen with water-soluble acid-free glue. This is reversible on non-water-soluble specimens, and it adheres an easily readable label to some otherwise rough and grainy matrices. -------------------------------------- Yes, that's what we do here at Sterling Hill, and I've found it quite satisfactory. It can be a real time-saver as well. MS Word has an auto-increment function so if you start typing a list of numbers such as SHMM-1, SHMM-2, then copy and paste those two, it will automatically convert to SHMM-3 and SHMM-4. Then you copy and paste those four to get eight, then copy those to get 16, etc., and pretty soon you can generate hundreds and hundreds of numbers in a couple of clicks. I've got pages of such numbers for thousands of specimens on file here at the museum, and I just cut them out and affix them to specimens with an acid-free, water-soluble glue, as Don suggested. The glue can withstand brief wetting if one wishes to wash the specimen again in the future. Such labels are nicely wear-resistant. Also, obviously a personal preference, but I print the labels on pale tan or ivory-colored paper, not stark white, so they're easily found on most specimens but not jarring visually. 8-point type works well for cabinet specimens, but miniatures and thumbnails might require 6- or 4-point type. Oh yes, with 4-point type you can type the locality on the label too. That's the most critical information you can record for any specimen, so attaching it directly to the specimen itself, rather than relying on an external label or catalogue to supply the locality information, is a worthwhile thing to do. Cheers- Earl Verbeek From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Sep 20 10:58:34 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Sep 20 10:58:36 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Some Mica In-Reply-To: <46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net> References: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN> <46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006201c7fbaf$dd6f3590$6b01a8c0@okapi> I've got an idea for a glass piece I'm working on and I need a pretty good pile of mica. What I'm looking for is a wad of sheet mica around 10cm x 10cm(or more) plus a bunch of smaller stuff I can break up into flakes of around 5-10mm in size. I'm NOT looking for display pieces...this is something I'm going to destroy (more or less!) as it fuses into my glass. I'd be willing to trade one of my "drip catchers" (http://tinyurl.com/ynsocz) or a wine stopper (http://tinyurl.com/2hoxs3) or a copy of my MasMils/PLUS disk for a suitable pile. BTW... Here's my glass site: http://www.fusedlight.com Thanks! Gary Catspaw Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From brettw_mcmuseum at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 11:21:59 2007 From: brettw_mcmuseum at sbcglobal.net (Brett Whitenack) Date: Thu Sep 20 11:22:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paint/Ink In-Reply-To: <000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <429593.85177.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is very much like the system we use in the museum where I work. The adhesive we use is made by Liquitex and is called Medium Matte finish and can be found in most art supply stores and the big chain retail stores like Hobby Lobby. It is water soluble which is good because the first rule of curation is do no harm. You want the accession numbering system to be reversible if the need arises which is difficult do do with paint, though we used that system for years. Also, you shouldn't write the number directly on the specimen - again, it should be reversible. Personally, I like this numbering/marking system as it is faster and easier to use than painting numbers on. There is less mess and the Liquitex doesn't smell like lacquers, white-out, and clear finger nail polish do. Whatever system you decide on be sure and use it as the mark of a good collector is how well your collection is cataloged and curated. It makes it more valuable, not just monetarily, but from an educational standpoint as well. Take care all. Brett W. "Earl R. Verbeek" wrote: Don Halterman wrote: There is always the option of printing a number in small type on acid-free rag paper, and gluing it to the specimen with water-soluble acid-free glue. This is reversible on non-water-soluble specimens, and it adheres an easily readable label to some otherwise rough and grainy matrices. -------------------------------------- Yes, that's what we do here at Sterling Hill, and I've found it quite satisfactory. It can be a real time-saver as well. MS Word has an auto-increment function so if you start typing a list of numbers such as SHMM-1, SHMM-2, then copy and paste those two, it will automatically convert to SHMM-3 and SHMM-4. Then you copy and paste those four to get eight, then copy those to get 16, etc., and pretty soon you can generate hundreds and hundreds of numbers in a couple of clicks. I've got pages of such numbers for thousands of specimens on file here at the museum, and I just cut them out and affix them to specimens with an acid-free, water-soluble glue, as Don suggested. The glue can withstand brief wetting if one wishes to wash the specimen again in the future. Such labels are nicely wear-resistant. Also, obviously a personal preference, but I print the labels on pale tan or ivory-colored paper, not stark white, so they're easily found on most specimens but not jarring visually. 8-point type works well for cabinet specimens, but miniatures and thumbnails might require 6- or 4-point type. Oh yes, with 4-point type you can type the locality on the label too. That's the most critical information you can record for any specimen, so attaching it directly to the specimen itself, rather than relying on an external label or catalogue to supply the locality information, is a worthwhile thing to do. Cheers- Earl Verbeek -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tjokela at execulink.com Thu Sep 20 11:30:02 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Thu Sep 20 11:28:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate References: <052401c6e8ee$02af9640$640fa8c0@Grimble><20061006140029.n88ltim3kfxcokg4@my6.dal.ca><4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca><884BF9DF-FC46-4647-AE7F-2732A25E7D33@mindspring.com> <03ab8f7d85f5757de691d3761e480654@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: <002d01c7fbb4$42445cd0$6400a8c0@Junior> Nice to see an East Coast Canadian lapidary site to complement Ronnie's superb mineral site! Good start, Hans. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Thu Sep 20 12:23:53 2007 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Thu Sep 20 12:24:12 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Some Mica In-Reply-To: <006201c7fbaf$dd6f3590$6b01a8c0@okapi> References: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN><46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net> <006201c7fbaf$dd6f3590$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BA46F@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> I don't think I'll get your cool drip catcher or wine stopper, but you can buy micah sheets at http://www.Lehmans.com . It's used to repair the little windows in wood and coal stoves. Do a search on "isinglass." Also ask if they have damaged/torn pieces and you may get a break on the price. -- Peter Sparks -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:59 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Some Mica I've got an idea for a glass piece I'm working on and I need a pretty good pile of mica. What I'm looking for is a wad of sheet mica around 10cm x 10cm(or more) plus a bunch of smaller stuff I can break up into flakes of around 5-10mm in size. I'm NOT looking for display pieces...this is something I'm going to destroy (more or less!) as it fuses into my glass. I'd be willing to trade one of my "drip catchers" (http://tinyurl.com/ynsocz) or a wine stopper (http://tinyurl.com/2hoxs3) or a copy of my MasMils/PLUS disk for a suitable pile. BTW... Here's my glass site: http://www.fusedlight.com Thanks! Gary Catspaw Minerals http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rik.dillen at skynet.be Thu Sep 20 12:46:17 2007 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Sep 20 12:46:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens In-Reply-To: References: <8C9C9BE1908C474-E1C-64A6@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c7fbbe$e96e5ab0$bc4b1010$@dillen@skynet.be> -----Part of Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Jim Murowchick Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:15 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens If I have the time, I'll even make a smooth area with nail polish, which will enhance adhesion of a sticker to the surface. After applying the sticker, I'll overcoat/seal the tag with more nail polish. >>>>> That's exactly what I do. No more, no less. I used to apply the Tensoplast mode as described by Axel but after many years (10-20) the Tensoplast dries out in such a way that it becomes loose, and a white smurry that is hard to get rid of is left on the surface. BTW "Tensoplast" is a brand name for adhesive bandage to protect wonds. Grts, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ From kugeln at peoplepc.com Thu Sep 20 12:57:01 2007 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Thu Sep 20 12:56:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Much Appreciation! Message-ID: <000901c7fbc0$6a3e7840$e9b45545@JOHN> For all the discussion of labeling methods. I hope this is useful to others also. John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Sep 20 13:06:38 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Sep 20 13:06:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] alternatives to labels (was) Paint/Ink In-Reply-To: <000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net> <000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <46F27D7300014E31@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I know that the permanent label is what everyone recommends, and I understand the reason for that. Here where we have a lot of earthquakes, I know firsthand that specimens can easily get separated from loosely attached labels or display stands. And at our age, Bill and I have to keep in mind that our collection is going to end up in someone else's hands, so accurate labels and records are especially important. However, I can't tell you how many times I've been irritated and frustrated by a permanent label on a specimen I've bought, usually on-line. Here are my objections: 1. Someone else often has a different idea of what the "back" or "bottom" of a piece is. 2. Some pieces simply don't have a "bad" side, and are extremely special from all angles. 3. One of the things I love most about rocks and minerals is the wonder they inspire, and as an artist I hate the jarring effect that occurs when I'm gazing at a marvelous work of nature and see a label. It would be like seeing a label stuck on a Van Gogh or a Michelangelo. 4. Labels fluoresce a jarring white (especially under LW) that seriously interferes with viewing fluorescent minerals. 5. When an individual specimen changes hands---sold, inherited, donated---the label is usually meaningless to the person who receives it. So they have to either remove it, or change it somehow to match their own identification system. SO, here is the system I am using, and it is not perfect, nor is it completed. If any of you have a better idea, or have suggestions, please fire away. When I buy something on-line, I copy the photo and the descriptive text into a word document, which I call "Rock Orders." When the specimen arrives, I check it for fluorescence and add any other observable information to that file, including copying any additional information that may have been included. I always request that the dealer include any provenance, previous dealers or old identification cards that may belong with the piece. I include, of course, the price I paid and the date or purchase. I also type in the location where the piece presently resides (by number, with a key that translates the location, for example: #1 = cabinet next to the front door, # 2 = fluorescent cabinet, #3 = chest of drawers in studio, etc). Once this is all typed into the rock's record, I cut and paste it into my "Rock Record" file which is arranged alphabetically by species. When I collect something or buy from a rock shop, I photograph it and create a similar page to add to that document. This is the part that is not finished yet; I have a good digital camera so I can take lots of experiments, and then download them and select the best. I regularly copy this Rock Record file onto a disc so that if there's a computer failure I have backup. I label each specimen with the name of the species and location with removable paper stickers. For those that in my opinion do not have a "back" or "bottom," or are too small, or do not have a surface to which a label will stick, or are just too magnificently gorgeous to mar with a label, I put the sticker on a plastic display stand for the rock. For fluorescent minerals that are in this category, I paint the display stand black so the label will not glow. This means that even if I'm not present, anyone can pick up a rock and see its name and place of origin; then they can go to my computer file to get complete information. The next step is also not completed, but hopefully I can finish before I lose my faculties or depart this world: I print the pages from the Rock Record document onto card stock and place them in a file by color, similar to the Audubon Field Guide to North American Rocks & Minerals. This way if a specimen gets separated from it's stand or a label falls off, hopefully even a non-rockhound can look at the piece, determine its color, and find its picture in the file. Comments encouraged! Aloha, Kitty From berry at relia.net Thu Sep 20 13:35:57 2007 From: berry at relia.net (Berry Enterprises) Date: Thu Sep 20 13:38:04 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Planned SLC Trip References: Message-ID: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> SLC = Salt Lake City Utah. (Abbreviation used by U.S. Postal Service and Locals.) Shows in the area are: Sept. 26-28; Tooele Gem & Min Soc. Show; Tooele Co. Fair Complex, 400 W 400 N, Tooele, Ut incl. Native American Pow Wow. Sept 26-28; Gem Faire (Commercial Show: rock, mineral, and beads); South Towne Exposition Center; 9575 S State, Sandy, Ut.. Tickets are $5.00. (I have complimentary club tickets if you contact me, off-list.) Oct. 26-28; Wasatch Gem Soc. Show; Utah State Fair Park, SLC, Ut. Oct. 12-14; Moab Rock Show and Annual Floy Wash Rock Hound Rendezvous, Moab Fair grounds, Moab Utah. Rendezvous campers camp by wire coral on Ruby River Ranch Rd. This is Exit 175, off of I-70, between Green River, Utah and Crescent Junction. Go south approx. 4.5-5 miles, coral and large flat parking area is on east side. People come from all over U. S. to this field trip. Many of us go 2-5 days early to get in extra rock hunting. Large areas are rockhound mecas!! I responded with a note last week but have not seen it come through on the list. Hope this gets to you. Katie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: September 09, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Don & John's Trip Reports; Planned SLC Trip Nice reports. Brings back lots of memories from the hippie era, my college days. Sounds like most were more interested in trades and connections for more dope than minerals. We saw several of the type in Hana, Maui when we were there a couple of years ago. Sounds like ya'll sorted through and found some cool rocks. And I had to go get myself a snack after reading about the burgers and cobbler. BTW, Jeanette and I will be in SLC first 2 weeks of Nov, but very busy welcoming a new granddaughter due the end of Oct. If any of you will be in that area or know of any rock shows there then, we can probably get loose at least some. Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo? 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It?s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live?. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.13/998 - Release Date: 09/10/2007 8:48 AM From rik.dillen at skynet.be Thu Sep 20 14:24:35 2007 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Thu Sep 20 14:24:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? In-Reply-To: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> References: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> Message-ID: <002401c7fbcc$a4b7af30$ee270d90$@dillen@skynet.be> Does anyone know of mineral shows in the neighborhood of San Diego / Temecula (California) in the period 6-13 January 2008 ? I will hang around (well, my management should not read this) there in that period. Any suggestions ? Thanks and regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Berry Enterprises Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:36 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Planned SLC Trip From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Sep 20 16:00:03 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Sep 20 15:47:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] QUESTION: enamel/ink for numbering specimens References: <002301c7fb43$6dcf47f0$55b45545@JOHN> Message-ID: <46F2F858.3E6E@Tomaszewski.net> I print sheets of numbered labels with my computer, cut them out, and attach them to the specimens. Each label is about 1/4 inch square. I usually just use glue, but for permanent waterproof labels I attach them with clear polyurethane. A drop of poly on the specimen, lay the label on top, tap it down, and put another drop on top of the label. Kreigh kugeln@peoplepc.com wrote: > > I've been unhappy with the enamel paint and the inks I've been able to find the past several years. They don't seem to have the quality I remember from earlier years. > > Have any members found REALLY good currently available products, a paint and ink that just WON''t come off? > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Sep 20 16:36:03 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Sep 20 16:23:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paint/Ink References: <000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <46F300C2.58AB@Tomaszewski.net> Earl R. Verbeek wrote: > Yes, that's what we do here at Sterling Hill, and I've found it quite > satisfactory. It can be a real time-saver as well. MS Word has an > auto-increment function so if you start typing a list of numbers such as > SHMM-1, SHMM-2, then copy and paste those two, it will automatically convert > to SHMM-3 and SHMM-4. Then you copy and paste those four to get eight, then > copy those to get 16, etc., and pretty soon you can generate hundreds and > hundreds of numbers in a couple of clicks. I've got pages of such numbers You can download a file with the numbers from 0000 to 9999 from my website at http://Tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Cataloging.shtml Kreigh From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu Sep 20 17:00:03 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Thu Sep 20 17:02:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? References: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> <002401c7fbcc$a4b7af30$ee270d90$@dillen@skynet.be> Message-ID: <04c201c7fbe2$5ebfd780$039e5a40@marilyn> Porbaably Something going on in Quartzite google Quartzite improvement assoc. Steve then there is firagate digging at opal hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? > Does anyone know of mineral shows in the neighborhood of San Diego / > Temecula (California) in the period 6-13 January > 2008 ? > I will hang around (well, my management should not read this) there in > that period. > Any suggestions ? > Thanks and regards, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Berry > Enterprises > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:36 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Planned SLC Trip > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From info at agatesfromargentina.com Thu Sep 20 19:17:55 2007 From: info at agatesfromargentina.com (Agates from Argentina) Date: Thu Sep 20 19:17:45 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD : New agates from Argentina Message-ID: <000b01c7fbf5$a080e6b0$e60debc9@ricardocasa> AD : To all agate collectors : There are more agates in Argentina that those known as "Condor" Agates. Please visit our web-page at : www.agatesfromargentina.com Thank you! Ricardo & Claudia Birnie --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu Sep 20 19:20:08 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu Sep 20 19:20:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Abbreviation for Salt Lake City In-Reply-To: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> References: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> Message-ID: <009601c7fbf5$ee285b50$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Before someone gets the idea that the US Postal Service abbreviates city names, it does not. SLC is the airline designation for the airport at Salt Lake City. The US Postal Service does not abbreviate any town name. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Berry Enterprises Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:36 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Planned SLC Trip SLC = Salt Lake City Utah. (Abbreviation used by U.S. Postal Service and Locals.) Shows in the area are: Sept. 26-28; Tooele Gem & Min Soc. Show; Tooele Co. Fair Complex, 400 W 400 N, Tooele, Ut incl. Native American Pow Wow. Sept 26-28; Gem Faire (Commercial Show: rock, mineral, and beads); South Towne Exposition Center; 9575 S State, Sandy, Ut.. Tickets are $5.00. (I have complimentary club tickets if you contact me, off-list.) Oct. 26-28; Wasatch Gem Soc. Show; Utah State Fair Park, SLC, Ut. Oct. 12-14; Moab Rock Show and Annual Floy Wash Rock Hound Rendezvous, Moab Fair grounds, Moab Utah. Rendezvous campers camp by wire coral on Ruby River Ranch Rd. This is Exit 175, off of I-70, between Green River, Utah and Crescent Junction. Go south approx. 4.5-5 miles, coral and large flat parking area is on east side. People come from all over U. S. to this field trip. Many of us go 2-5 days early to get in extra rock hunting. Large areas are rockhound mecas!! I responded with a note last week but have not seen it come through on the list. Hope this gets to you. Katie ww.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Sep 20 19:27:09 2007 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Sep 20 19:28:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dinosaurs of South Dakota References: <000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <46F300C2.58AB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002501c7fbf6$fa60e850$0200a8c0@Notebook> I thought this an enjoyable virtual field trip, especially for those of us who haven't been out whacking rocks lately. Makes me want to drive down the road, take a left and spend some time in Montana! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20894357/ John Santa, ID. From totis99 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 20:51:04 2007 From: totis99 at yahoo.com (teresa otis) Date: Thu Sep 20 20:51:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] alternatives to labels and mishaps In-Reply-To: <46F27D7300014E31@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <178113.59533.qm@web36713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like a great system Kitty! When my son was 15, he was the one responsible for dusting everything. He begged for a gathering of friends and I told him he would have to clean the whole house and make it spotless because I wouldn't have time to do my part of the housework. He readily agreed. He was as into rocks just about as much as me so he knew to keep the labels with the specimens. There were a number of them that were not attached because I didn't want to disrupt the beauty of the specimen. Unfortunately, he forgot to tell the friends that decided to jump in and help him clean the house. When I got home from work, the house was as spotless as if a cleaning crew had come in......but about 20 pieces were no longer identified. At the same party, one of my large pieces from Magnet Cove (Arkansas)...about an 8 pound mass of pyrite out of the creek..fell off the stereo speaker from the vibration. Soooooooo, I had TWO nice pieces from the creek. I learned then, never to use the top of my cabinet floor speakers as display stands! LOL! Teresa Otis ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 21:20:29 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Sep 20 21:20:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? References: <009701c7fbc5$e00065c0$0200a8c0@secretary> <002401c7fbcc$a4b7af30$ee270d90$@dillen@skynet.be> Message-ID: <002901c7fc06$bf3e1a30$a3fcf604@TheBlackAdder> The Fallbrook Gem and Mineral Society has their annual show Sunday October 7th, but their gem & mineral museum is open Thursday, Friday and Saturdays 11 AM - 3 PM every week and is well worth a look, especially their world class tourmalines, Morganite and Kunzite from north San Diego county's pegmatites. If you can't make it those days, please email me off list and I'll make an appointment for you to get in. Fallbrook is about 12 miles south-west of Temecula, California. I live in Murrieta, 8 miles north of Temecula. Details and directions are on the club website at http://www.fgms.org Cheers, Erich kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Dillen To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? Does anyone know of mineral shows in the neighborhood of San Diego / Temecula (California) in the period 6-13 January 2008 ? I will hang around (well, my management should not read this) there in that period. Any suggestions ? Thanks and regards, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Berry Enterprises Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:36 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Planned SLC Trip -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 05:06:28 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Sep 21 05:06:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Update on the stinky 'meteor' Message-ID: BK -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 06:06:26 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Sep 21 06:06:28 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? In-Reply-To: <04c201c7fbe2$5ebfd780$039e5a40@marilyn> Message-ID: <518781.87369.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When you google it, better spell it Quartzsite. Jim Daly Steve & Marilyn wrote: Porbaably Something going on in Quartzite google Quartzite improvement assoc. Steve then there is firagate digging at opal hill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Dillen" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Request : San Diego / Temecula shows ? > Does anyone know of mineral shows in the neighborhood of San Diego / > Temecula (California) in the period 6-13 January > 2008 ? > I will hang around (well, my management should not read this) there in > that period. > Any suggestions ? > Thanks and regards, > > Rik DILLEN > Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas > Belgium > E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be > Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>>> Belgian minerals >>>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>>> Exchange list > > MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 > Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) > Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen > http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html > Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Berry > Enterprises > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:36 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Planned SLC Trip > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Sep 21 06:50:44 2007 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Sep 21 06:51:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals References: <518781.87369.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> Kitty has a point....there is always a bit of destruction, no matter how little, in the painting of specimens for numbering. With the advent of easy-to-use comprehensive databases, the need to alter a specimen is minimized, in any way. You can store any number of photos in a good database program, along with as much text information as you want. We have already discussed the advantages of database filing of mineral collections. My personal thought is that ink labelling and paper filing may already be an anachronism. You might even make the argument that several photos, from different angles, are more of a positive ID of a specimen than a hand written, inked number, with the potential of mis-reading the number, of it being illegible, fading, etc. Of course, you always have to be mindful of the possibility of the loss of data, but that is true with written files, anyway. Larry Rush From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 21 07:19:33 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:19:10 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Paint/Ink In-Reply-To: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN> References: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN> Message-ID: <000c01c7fc5a$6fa37cf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > > Axel, what's tensoplast? Tensoplast is a trade name for a band aid. It's an adhesive tape without the sterile patch. The tape is woven cotton and viscose with a synthetic rubber as adhesive layer. It is still used to keep bandages or sterile compresses in place or as a sport tape. Nowadays it's often replaced by anti-allergic tapes that aren't nearly as adhesive. You can still find it at the drugstore I think. It 's sold in round red & white metal drums or ta least is was sold that way. There's also elastoplast but I didn't try that yet. http://wound.smith-nephew.com/nz/node.asp?NodeId=2853 Cheers Axel From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Fri Sep 21 07:28:18 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:27:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals In-Reply-To: <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000201c7fc5b$aae8de80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> A couple of comments with respect to the message below: 1. If a paper label is affixed to a specimen with an easily removable adhesive there is no (not just minimal) destruction to the specimen. It's a completely reversible procedure, except for those special cases where water-soluble or exceedingly delicate specimens introduce complications. Those can be dealt with on a one-to-one basis. 2. Because photographs can easily become separated from specimens, particularly when collections change hands over the years and generations, I much prefer a label attached to the specimen itself, with each number bearing a prefix. For example, whenever I see a Franklin specimen labeled FL743 I know it was once in the collection of Fred Lubbers. That's valuable information, and it goes wherever the specimen goes. Those initials provide a clue of where to start on one's quest for more information. Even if the original collector is no longer living, other family members can be found, or one could contact other collectors in the area, etc. -- there are lots of possible leads to follow if one has a place to start. Every year at our museum I see hundreds of specimens from old collections that have no labels, nothing at all accompanying or attached to them. Some of these specimens I would have liked to keep for our collections, but with no locality information or specimen history there is little reason to do so. It'd be nice to pretend that those who look after our possessions after we're gone will ensure that information (e.g., photos) and specimens stay together, but any museum curator can supply you with lots of stories where that never happened. This doesn't detract from the validity of Larry's points -- it's just a different perspective. No matter how you choose to label (or not) your specimens, it's best to take a long-term view, think 50 or 100 years down the road, and remember that Murphy's Law isn't called a law for nothing. Cheers! Earl -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:51 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals Kitty has a point....there is always a bit of destruction, no matter how little, in the painting of specimens for numbering. With the advent of easy-to-use comprehensive databases, the need to alter a specimen is minimized, in any way. You can store any number of photos in a good database program, along with as much text information as you want. We have already discussed the advantages of database filing of mineral collections. My personal thought is that ink labelling and paper filing may already be an anachronism. You might even make the argument that several photos, from different angles, are more of a positive ID of a specimen than a hand written, inked number, with the potential of mis-reading the number, of it being illegible, fading, etc. Of course, you always have to be mindful of the possibility of the loss of data, but that is true with written files, anyway. Larry Rush From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Sep 21 07:29:40 2007 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:29:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] alternatives to labels (was) Paint/Ink In-Reply-To: <46F27D7300014E31@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) References: <46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net><000201c7fbae$8e87e360$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <46F27D7300014E31@n054.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <000d01c7fc5b$d8596830$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > 4. Labels fluoresce a jarring white (especially under LW) > that seriously interferes with viewing fluorescent minerals. Good point Kitty! You can use non-fluorescent light blue paper and go over it with clear nail polish. You may remember that I print my display labels on that kind of paper with a canon buble jet printer and a BC 29-F cartridge. The problem is that the ink fades after 5 years or so. I really should get a better fluorescent ink for this purpose. Cheers Axel From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Sep 21 07:30:34 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:30:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica??? In-Reply-To: <000201c7fc5b$aae8de80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> References: <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> <000201c7fc5b$aae8de80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <012701c7fc5b$f9301590$6b01a8c0@okapi> Mica, anyone???? I really don't want to pay $80 for a chunk... Gary From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Sep 21 07:53:14 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:53:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica??? In-Reply-To: <012701c7fc5b$f9301590$6b01a8c0@okapi> References: <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush><000201c7fc5b$aae8de80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <012701c7fc5b$f9301590$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <003b01c7fc5f$2361e7a0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Gary: No promises mind you, but somewhere I have some chunks of mica from the Amelia mines. I like to give chunks to kids interested in rocks. So the question it, how much do you need? If I can find the bucket, I probably can share some with you; the question is whether I have enough. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brown Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:31 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica??? Mica, anyone???? I really don't want to pay $80 for a chunk... Gary -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:59 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Fri Sep 21 08:00:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica??? Ooops! In-Reply-To: <003b01c7fc5f$2361e7a0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush><000201c7fc5b$aae8de80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21><012701c7fc5b$f9301590$6b01a8c0@okapi> <003b01c7fc5f$2361e7a0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <003f01c7fc60$14b73740$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> List: My bad, and my apologies to everyone for my not taking better care in email address control and sending this to Gary off list. Yes, I am email challenged some days, (M-F and weekends); but fortunately, only during waking hours. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Ted Kowalski Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:53 AM To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Mica??? Gary: No promises mind you, but somewhere I have some chunks of mica from the Amelia mines. I like to give chunks to kids interested in rocks. So the question it, how much do you need? If I can find the bucket, I probably can share some with you; the question is whether I have enough. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA From dr00bert at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 08:32:42 2007 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Fri Sep 21 08:32:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica??? In-Reply-To: <012701c7fc5b$f9301590$6b01a8c0@okapi> References: <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> <000201c7fc5b$aae8de80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <012701c7fc5b$f9301590$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <7aac8040709210832w2805b63bw3f8ec2762fe64657@mail.gmail.com> On 9/21/07, Gary Brown wrote: > > Mica, anyone???? > > I really don't want to pay $80 for a chunk... > > Gary If I had the time to make it down to the Ray Mine in Burnsville, NC, I would pick some up for you and send it... problem is that I don't have time until November... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Sep 21 09:47:53 2007 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Sep 21 09:47:56 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals References: <518781.87369.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <002001c7fc6f$28631520$49f8f604@TheBlackAdder> As someone on this list pointed out many months ago, the long-term problem with electronic records, whether written or photographic, is retrieval from the electronic media, whether CD or memory stick, fifty years from now. For example, remember those 8 inch floppy discs used with the Radio Shack computer of 25 years ago? Had you saved data on them how would you retrieve it now? Going back thirty-five years to 12.5 mm magnetic tape, how would you read it? I vaguely remember NASA having this difficulty with archival data tapes from the 1960's. Paper records may be old tech, but they require no hardware to retrieve the data. My favorite labeling for minerals is printing mineral species, locale and a number in 8 point type on acid free paper then using clear silicone rubber to attach to the specimen and to coat the exposed surface of the label which makes it waterproof. Won't come off after an hour in an ultrasound tank. Obviously, some specimens are too good looking all over to have labels, or even a number on them, but 90% of mine have labels attached. Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Rush To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals Kitty has a point....there is always a bit of destruction, no matter how little, in the painting of specimens for numbering. With the advent of easy-to-use comprehensive databases, the need to alter a specimen is minimized, in any way. You can store any number of photos in a good database program, along with as much text information as you want. We have already discussed the advantages of database filing of mineral collections. My personal thought is that ink labelling and paper filing may already be an anachronism. You might even make the argument that several photos, from different angles, are more of a positive ID of a specimen than a hand written, inked number, with the potential of mis-reading the number, of it being illegible, fading, etc. Of course, you always have to be mindful of the possibility of the loss of data, but that is true with written files, anyway. Larry Rush -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tjokela at execulink.com Fri Sep 21 09:59:31 2007 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Fri Sep 21 09:58:17 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals References: <518781.87369.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> Message-ID: <005701c7fc70$c7ac4100$6400a8c0@Junior> Printers can produce type that is very, very small. All the info on the mineral and it's locality can be put on a label well under 1" square. (Oldtimers that can't operate computers could print the info clearly on a sheet of paper, and have a grandkid type it up and print it off.) Large specimens of any value at all should have this label. Find an inconspicuous space, put on a layer of nail polish, let it dry a bit, put on the label, and give it at least two coats. This results in a very durable, quite handsome label that can easily withstand washing, and I'd expect it to last at least a couple of decades. The specimen is protected for posterity; why rely on memory alone? Field collectors, or anybody with lots of big specimens should definitely be doing this, it's very little effort. People need to get past the phase of manic accumulation, and think about actually curating the thousands of dollars of specimens they accumulate over a lifetime. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals > Kitty has a point....there is always a bit of destruction, no matter how > little, in the painting of specimens for numbering. > > With the advent of easy-to-use comprehensive databases, the need to alter > a specimen is minimized, in any way. You can store any number of photos in > a good database program, along with as much text information as you want. > We have already discussed the advantages of database filing of mineral > collections. My personal thought is that ink labelling and paper filing > may already be an anachronism. > > You might even make the argument that several photos, from different > angles, are more of a positive ID of a specimen than a hand written, inked > number, with the potential of mis-reading the number, of it being > illegible, fading, etc. > > Of course, you always have to be mindful of the possibility of the loss of > data, but that is true with written files, anyway. > > Larry Rush > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Sep 21 10:39:29 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Sep 21 10:39:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals In-Reply-To: <002001c7fc6f$28631520$49f8f604@TheBlackAdder> References: <518781.87369.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> <002001c7fc6f$28631520$49f8f604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <46F3B15C0001140A@n126.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) At 06:47 AM 9/21/2007, Erich Kern wrote: >As someone on this list pointed out many months ago, the long-term >problem with electronic records, whether written or photographic, is >retrieval from the electronic media, whether CD or memory stick, >fifty years from now. > >For example, remember those 8 inch floppy discs used with the Radio >Shack computer of 25 years ago? Had you saved data on them how would >you retrieve it now? Going back thirty-five years to 12.5 mm >magnetic tape, how would you read it? I vaguely remember NASA having >this difficulty with archival data tapes from the 1960's. > >Paper records may be old tech, but they require no hardware to >retrieve the data. That's why my records are in two forms: one on a CD and the other printed on acid-free cards in a file box. Not perfect, but at least there's backup. Aloha, K. From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 11:25:54 2007 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Fri Sep 21 11:24:55 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Atlantic Coast Show Message-ID: Hi all, if you're in the Baltimore / DC area this weekend plan to visit the Gem Cutters Guild show. It's held at the Howard County Fairground in West Friendship, MD (I-32 & I-70). Hours Saturday, Sept 22 are 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Sunday Sept 23 - 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Dealers feature cutting rough, minerals, fossils, tools, finished jewelry. There are also kids activities, and demos. Food is available on site. From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Fri Sep 21 11:35:32 2007 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Fri Sep 21 11:34:43 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] old magazine Message-ID: <46F40EF4.1040801@ncmail.net> List, I've been going through old issues of Rocks and Minerals magazine. In an issue from 1943, I came across an ad for: The National Amateur Mineralogist Does anyone know anything about this old magazine? Thanks, Kenny From rockcurrier at cs.com Fri Sep 21 10:50:20 2007 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Fri Sep 21 11:51:05 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Labeling specimens References: <200709210101.l8L11a1n003960@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002001c7fc77$e1831340$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> With modern database programs, the generation of a variety of labels for the specimens catalogued in the database should be only a matter of choosing the label type you want to print for that specimen. Since the data is already in the database it is a waste of time to type it again onto a label(s). One of the label types that collectors/curators may want to print out is a specimen label that can be glued onto the specimen. Using 5 point type of most font types you can easily print out small labels containing the species on the specimen, the locality and the collection name and number. Four point fonts can be used, but some people will need a magnifying glass to read the characters. For specimens smaller than miniature size you may need to make special labels with smaller type fonts or attach the specimen to the box containing the specimen, which is typical of micromount specimens. I also sometimes glue a short length of sewing thread to the specimen and glue the label for the specimen on the other end of the thread. Black laser printed labels are pretty stable color wise especially if you coat them with a layer of a clear waterproof layer of paint. I glue the labels on the specimens with common white glue, which you can soak off with water if necessary. You will probably find that paper of the standard thickness of standard printer or copy paper will become too transparent in the process to afford easy legibility and that a somewhat heavier paper will eliminate this problem. Archival grade paper is desirable for long-term survivability. If you have a suitable program you can quickly print out a small specimen label and then a larger box or display label (these are slightly different creatures. Rock From rik.dillen at skynet.be Fri Sep 21 13:06:40 2007 From: rik.dillen at skynet.be (Rik Dillen) Date: Fri Sep 21 13:06:47 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Labeling specimens In-Reply-To: <002001c7fc77$e1831340$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> References: <200709210101.l8L11a1n003960@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002001c7fc77$e1831340$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <005501c7fc8a$ecb72360$c6256a20$@dillen@skynet.be> Several years ago I read somewhere (I think it was in the German magazine Lapis) about a collector or museum curator, who used actually real microfilm sheets to produce microfiches containing all relevant data of the specimen (half a page or so). The microfilm was cut in pieces, and half a page was reduced to something like 7-8 mm. He glued the piece of microfilm on the specimen, and everything was perfectly readable under a stereo-microscope. That was IMHO the most perfect system I have ever heard of. Greetings, Rik DILLEN Doornstraat 15, B-9170 Sint-Gillis-Waas Belgium E-mail rik.dillen@skynet.be Homepage : http://users.skynet.be/rik.dillen >>> Belgian minerals >>> An own find on a Korean (and now again on a Guinean) postage stamp ! >>> Exchange list MINERANT 2008 - 26-27 April 2008 Bouwcentrum (Antwerp Expo) Jan Van Rijswijcklaan 191 Antwerpen http://www.minerant.org/mka/minerantnl.html Mineral collector's page http://www.minerant.org/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:50 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Labeling specimens With modern database programs, the generation of a variety of labels for the specimens catalogued in the database should be only a matter of choosing the label type you want to print for that specimen. Since the data is already in the database it is a waste of time to type it again onto a label(s). One of the label types that collectors/curators may want to print out is a specimen label that can be glued onto the specimen. Using 5 point type of most font types you can easily print out small labels containing the species on the specimen, the locality and the collection name and number. Four point fonts can be used, but some people will need a magnifying glass to read the characters. For specimens smaller than miniature size you may need to make special labels with smaller type fonts or attach the specimen to the box containing the specimen, which is typical of micromount specimens. I also sometimes glue a short length of sewing thread to the specimen and glue the label for the specimen on the other end of the thread. Black laser printed labels are pretty stable color wise especially if you coat them with a layer of a clear waterproof layer of paint. I glue the labels on the specimens with common white glue, which you can soak off with water if necessary. You will probably find that paper of the standard thickness of standard printer or copy paper will become too transparent in the process to afford easy legibility and that a somewhat heavier paper will eliminate this problem. Archival grade paper is desirable for long-term survivability. If you have a suitable program you can quickly print out a small specimen label and then a larger box or display label (these are slightly different creatures. Rock From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Fri Sep 21 13:36:28 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Fri Sep 21 13:36:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica - covered In-Reply-To: <005501c7fc8a$ecb72360$c6256a20$@dillen@skynet.be> References: <200709210101.l8L11a1n003960@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002001c7fc77$e1831340$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <005501c7fc8a$ecb72360$c6256a20$@dillen@skynet.be> Message-ID: <01a401c7fc8f$16ccec80$6b01a8c0@okapi> Hi all... Thanks to everyone who responded! I think I'll be getting enough... When I make whatever the heck the muses make me make I'll post a link. Gary From dnorris at frii.com Fri Sep 21 16:23:43 2007 From: dnorris at frii.com (Don Norris) Date: Fri Sep 21 16:23:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Silversmithing in Bisbee during Turquoise hunt. Message-ID: <46F4527F.50609@frii.com> Hi Everyone, My son, Greg, and I are going to go to the turquoise hunt in Bisbee, Arizona, October 5 and 6. I just thought I would let everyone know that I am going to teach a Simple Pendant Silversmithing class in Sierra Vista, on Saturday, October 6th from 6pm to 9pm. It will be held at BarefootGirl's Bead Shop in Sierra Vista which is about 30 minutes or so from Bisbee. There are a lot of motels and restaurants there. If you have not signed up for the Bisbee turquoise mine hunt, I think there is still some room. It is only $15.00 for 3 hours of hunting on the copper mine's dumps. We signed up for all four hunting sessions on Friday and Saturday. The morning hunts are from 9am to 12pm and the afternoon hunts are from 1pm to 4pm each day. After the hunt on Saturday we plan on eating and setting up for the class at 6pm. It is a simple pendant class and I will teach soldering and using snap tight heads to set faceted stones. All silver, stones, supplies and tools will be furnished. Students do not need to bring anything. Just come prepared to have fun and make a nice pendant with at least one stone and maybe more. If you have any interest contact me off list at dnorris@frii.com or 1-303-517-1068. You can also contact the BarefootGirls Bead Shop by calling Sandi at: 1-520-459-5400. I am in Las Vegas right now teaching a class this weekend, and was fortunate to go to the Otteson's Turquoise mines yesterday for a $50.00 fee dig. It was great and I will let you more about it and all the turquoise that I came away with in a separate e-mail later. But, it was well worth the $50.00 just for the experience, but I bet I will be able to cut at least $400.00 worth of stones. Oh, their number is 775-482-9889, and they are in Tonopah, Nevada. Don Norris From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 21 17:33:22 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 21 17:17:07 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] old magazine References: <46F40EF4.1040801@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <46F45EE0.104C@Tomaszewski.net> Put it in quotes "National Amateur Mineralogist" and do a search on Google. Three hits is not much to sort thru. Kreigh Kenny Gay wrote: > > List, > I've been going through old issues of Rocks and Minerals magazine. > In an issue from 1943, I came across an ad for: The National Amateur > Mineralogist > Does anyone know anything about this old magazine? > > Thanks, > Kenny > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Sep 21 17:43:32 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Sep 21 17:26:59 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica - covered References: <200709210101.l8L11a1n003960@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002001c7fc77$e1831340$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <005501c7fc8a$ecb72360$c6256a20$@dillen@skynet.be> <01a401c7fc8f$16ccec80$6b01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <46F46141.280@Tomaszewski.net> Hey Gary, Take a picture of the books of mica before you start opening them up and preserving them in glass. Kreigh Gary Brown wrote: > > Hi all... > > Thanks to everyone who responded! I think I'll be getting enough... When I > make whatever the heck the muses make me make I'll post a link. > > Gary > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Sep 21 20:38:13 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Sep 21 20:38:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mica - covered In-Reply-To: <46F46141.280@Tomaszewski.net> References: <200709210101.l8L11a1n003960@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002001c7fc77$e1831340$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <005501c7fc8a$ecb72360$c6256a20$@dillen@skynet.be> <01a401c7fc8f$16ccec80$6b01a8c0@okapi> <46F46141.280@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46F48E25.70205@verizon.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Hey Gary, > > Take a picture of the books of mica before you start opening them up and > preserving them in glass. Hi Gary, I made what might be my last trip up to Mica Mountain--the bad weather will start soon, and the road won't be passable again until after I graduate. That big huge boulder is moved off to the side of the road now. But anyway, I got a few chunks of mica, and I think it would be a neat thing if you could include some pieces from Mica Mountain, a place few know, but which produced a lot of mica for our country's industrial and defense efforts back in the days. It grows over more each day, and in a few decades won't be recognizable as an historic mine site. BTW I also found by accident what appears to be a nice green beryl in matrix--so the good stuff is still there. Send me your address off-list and I will get these out. Best, Don From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 22 06:45:21 2007 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Sat Sep 22 06:45:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals In-Reply-To: <002001c7fc6f$28631520$49f8f604@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <594192.61750.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A valid point, applicable to any data storage. You have to be aware of changing technology, and transfer records to a more modern medium while you still have the equipment to do so. I'm now in the process of copying music from my vinyl records to CD while I still have a working turntable! Jim Daly Erich Kern wrote: As someone on this list pointed out many months ago, the long-term problem with electronic records, whether written or photographic, is retrieval from the electronic media, whether CD or memory stick, fifty years from now. For example, remember those 8 inch floppy discs used with the Radio Shack computer of 25 years ago? Had you saved data on them how would you retrieve it now? Going back thirty-five years to 12.5 mm magnetic tape, how would you read it? I vaguely remember NASA having this difficulty with archival data tapes from the 1960's. Paper records may be old tech, but they require no hardware to retrieve the data. --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lavenderfish at cox.net Sun Sep 23 07:05:10 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Sun Sep 23 07:05:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not Message-ID: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Hello rock friends, How can you tell if a rock material is an opalite? I got a nodule that I'm reasonably sure is a nice solid opalite inside, the miner thinks not (based on an "official X-ray"). Where you chip off a piece from the rough the surface of the rock is very shiny. It also polished up easily when I carved a piece. What are some other clues to help decide? Rock mysteries are so much fun! CaroL --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sun Sep 23 09:07:29 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sun Sep 23 09:07:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate In-Reply-To: <108500.98817.qm@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <268230.27085.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, this is very nice. I enjoyed it as well. One mans hobby, or passion creates out standing beauty for another to view, and enjoy! Teri Jetter --- Jim Daly wrote: > Hans, > Don't apologize. I'm sure a lot of people on the > list enjoyed your website. I sure did! > Jim Daly > > Hans Durstling wrote: > Very much so! Sorry about that folks. Shoulda gone > to private mail! > > - Hans > > ============= > On 19-Sep-07, at 10:47 PM, Carol J. Bova wrote: > > > Slip of the click? *g* > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get > online. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sun Sep 23 09:32:13 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sun Sep 23 09:32:15 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? In-Reply-To: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <721087.11019.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are enough smart professors/ Field inspectors/people on this list that have seen more than I can imagine, so how about a digital of what you have. I am sure by seeing the sample you will get many responses and good one at that. Smiles to all Teri Jetter --- Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: > Hello rock friends, > > How can you tell if a rock material is an opalite? > I got a nodule that I'm reasonably sure is a nice > solid opalite inside, the miner thinks not (based on > an "official X-ray"). Where you chip off a piece > from the rough the surface of the rock is very > shiny. It also polished up easily when I carved a > piece. What are some other clues to help decide? > > Rock mysteries are so much fun! CaroL > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Sep 23 10:43:14 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 23 10:43:21 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not Message-ID: Hi, Carol Lavenderfish [!!??], I thought I'd wait and see what (more informed?) answers appeared, before I tried writing anything, but nothing (except Teri's comment) has appeared, so I'll give it a try... "opalite" is not exactly a technical term, it is used to mean massive "common" opal that does not show any fire. where is your miner & mining taking place--Nevada, or Idaho, or Australia? if your "miner" says that XRD confirms it is not opalite, what is it then? I presume, it must be chalcedony, which can sometimes look a good deal like opal. I've seen opalized (or agatized) wood from Colorado, which is sometimes quite tricky, to be sure which it is, agate or opal. It's very hard to describe in words, what the visual difference between the two is, but most of us have a feel for what the different look is. Or perhaps, rather than pure "chalcedony", he thinks or says your rock is just a silicified rhyolite, sort of a pale-colored, low-quality jasper or chert? Likewise, it's hard to give definitive words to say how one distinguishes that visually from "opalite". (also sometimes called "semi-opal") Pete Modreski, Denver, CO ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lavenderfish at cox.net Sun Sep 23 10:57:47 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Sun Sep 23 10:57:48 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? References: <721087.11019.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Not sure if I'm allowed to post a photo of this rock to the list or not, so if you'd like to get a look at it let me know and I'll send you a photo offlist. I'll go take one right now. By the way it's found in Wyoming. Thanks from Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "teresa jetter" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? > There are enough smart professors/ Field > inspectors/people on this list that have seen more > than I can imagine, so how about a digital of what you > have. > I am sure by seeing the sample you will get many > responses and good one at that. > Smiles to all > Teri Jetter From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Sep 23 11:02:55 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Sep 23 11:03:25 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? In-Reply-To: <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> References: <721087.11019.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <46F6AA4F.5060209@verizon.net> Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: > Not sure if I'm allowed to post a photo of this rock to the list or not, > so if you'd like to get a look at it let me know and I'll send you a > photo offlist. I'll go take one right now. By the way it's found in > Wyoming. > > Thanks from Carol There is a famous opaline rock from Wyoming called geyserite by its colloquial name. By the way, what did he mean by x-raying it? Best, Don P.S. You can send me a photo to this address but I doubt I'd be able to ID it by sight... no harm in trying though. From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Sep 23 11:06:59 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Sep 23 11:08:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] digital to view? In-Reply-To: <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> References: <721087.11019.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <46F4B0B40001E8E6@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) Photos cannot be posted to the List. We're working on making it so they can be posted to the Rockhounds website. I'll let you all know when that is worked out. Aloha, Kitty (Admin Team) At 07:57 AM 9/23/2007, Carol wrote: >Not sure if I'm allowed to post a photo of this rock to the list or >not, so if you'd like to get a look at it let me know and I'll send >you a photo offlist. I'll go take one right now. By the way it's >found in Wyoming. > >Thanks from Carol From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Sep 23 13:05:39 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 23 13:05:51 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? Message-ID: Carol sent a picture of her specimen to Teri and to myself (forwardable to more of you upon request, I'm sure), and I've been contemplating it. It's a good picture, and a nice looking specimen. It's a nodule (split in half), palm-of-hand size, and it's a dark maroon-red in the center, kind of a chalky-white toward the outside, slightly banded, with one or two layers or patches of translucent gray. I guess it's still anyone's guess from the appearance, which material this is. The chalky, porcelain-like, white material does make one think of opalite; but some agate or chalcedony can have a white, porcelain-like rind (from weathering, I presume) of material like this--some of which could, in fact, be opal for all we usually know about it. I guess I could comment that I don't think I've ever seen any time of opal (common or otherwise) having this dull, dark red color, whereas it is common in varieties of jasper. I've been thinking abouit what DOES allow us to distinguish opal from chalcedony or jasper. Aside from properties that one needs technical equipment to measure, the differences that are visually or otherwise perceptible are, opal has a lower refractive index, which gives it a lesser luster, compared to quartz, agate, or jasper. This would make opal look duller and more like cloudy or opaque glass or porcelain. Quartz has a r.i. of about 1.55; opal is about 1.45 (water is 1.33; common glass is about 1.52; obsidian is listed as 1.50). opal is lower in density, which would be noticable in a large enough specimen; opal is listed as being 1.9 to 2.2; quartz is 2.65. opal is slighly lower in hardness, listed as being 5 to 6, instead of 7. As I tried to say before, it's still hard to describe in words, the differences in luster and transparency that one sees in opal compared to quartz. The density difference should be helpful; a piece the size of yours, Carol, ought to feel relatively light for its size, if it is really opal, as compared to any type of quartz which will feel "typical" or moderatelyu heavy. Does this help at all? Pete ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lavenderfish at cox.net Sun Sep 23 14:08:10 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Sun Sep 23 14:08:09 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? References: Message-ID: <087c01c7fe25$d8de97a0$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Hi again Pete, Thanks for all of your consideration. Given the fact that it does have some heft to it, may make it lean towards more chalcedony or even jasper than opalite. It sure is easy to cut and polish without too much effort. The mystery continues! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? > Carol sent a picture of her specimen to Teri and to myself (forwardable to > more of you upon request, I'm sure), and I've been contemplating it. > > It's a good picture, and a nice looking specimen. It's a nodule (split > in > half), palm-of-hand size, and it's a dark maroon-red in the center, kind > of a > chalky-white toward the outside, slightly banded, with one or two layers > or > patches of translucent gray. > > I guess it's still anyone's guess from the appearance, which material this > is. The chalky, porcelain-like, white material does make one think of > opalite; but some agate or chalcedony can have a white, porcelain-like > rind (from > weathering, I presume) of material like this--some of which could, in > fact, be > opal for all we usually know about it. I guess I could comment that I > don't > think I've ever seen any time of opal (common or otherwise) having this > dull, > dark red color, whereas it is common in varieties of jasper. > > I've been thinking abouit what DOES allow us to distinguish opal from > chalcedony or jasper. Aside from properties that one needs technical > equipment to > measure, the differences that are visually or otherwise perceptible are, > > opal has a lower refractive index, which gives it a lesser luster, > compared > to quartz, agate, or jasper. This would make opal look duller and more > like > cloudy or opaque glass or porcelain. Quartz has a r.i. of about 1.55; > opal > is about 1.45 (water is 1.33; common glass is about 1.52; obsidian is > listed > as 1.50). > > opal is lower in density, which would be noticable in a large enough > specimen; opal is listed as being 1.9 to 2.2; quartz is 2.65. > > opal is slighly lower in hardness, listed as being 5 to 6, instead of 7. > > As I tried to say before, it's still hard to describe in words, the > differences in luster and transparency that one sees in opal compared to > quartz. The > density difference should be helpful; a piece the size of yours, Carol, > ought to feel relatively light for its size, if it is really opal, as > compared to > any type of quartz which will feel "typical" or moderatelyu heavy. > > Does this help at all? > > Pete > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 23 14:32:31 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 23 14:27:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net> Carol, Strictly speaking, opalite is a trade name for a type of opalized glass used to make beads. I think you are looking for opal, a form of hydrated silicon dioxide, and a member of the quartz varieties. Opalescence is properly the term for the turbid milky appearance of common opal. At the micro level opal is made up of nanometer scale spheres of varying sizes and is usually amorphous. Occasionally the nanospheres are all approximately the same size and form organized planes of spheres that will diffract light, making precious opal that shows a play of color. Impurities, and variation in hydration, sphere size, and spehere organization, have produced over a hundred varieties of opal with generally accepted names. Many experienced collectors can give a pretty reliable identification by looking at and holding a specimen of opal. But if you really want to know, you need to do an x-ray diffraction analysis (XRD), which is what I assume your miner did. BTW, many varieties of silica resemble opal but don't have the hydration and/or spherical nanostructure. You probably found one of these varieties. Kreigh Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: > > Hello rock friends, > > How can you tell if a rock material is an opalite? I got a nodule that I'm reasonably sure is a nice solid opalite inside, the miner thinks not (based on an "official X-ray"). Where you chip off a piece from the rough the surface of the rock is very shiny. It also polished up easily when I carved a piece. What are some other clues to help decide? > > Rock mysteries are so much fun! CaroL > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Sun Sep 23 14:28:16 2007 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Sun Sep 23 14:28:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? In-Reply-To: <087c01c7fe25$d8de97a0$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> References: <087c01c7fe25$d8de97a0$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <46F6DA70.4080107@verizon.net> (I saw the photo) I don't know, the structure of the rock itself, the fracture, and the luster remind me of an opaloid, but I've never seen one quite that color... I think this is a mixture of rock materials that formed from a silica-rich solution. This might be a case where we could go crazy putting a name to it... but it is really neat and should be enjoyed for its natural beauty, whatever it is. Best, Don From lavenderfish at cox.net Sun Sep 23 17:10:38 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Sun Sep 23 17:10:41 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <088b01c7fe3f$56358010$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Thanks Kreigh, I've seen the opalite glass so know what you're referring to. I don't know if the terms opalized or common opal would be more proper in place of opalite. I'm pretty good at rock ID's but it sounds like you and many others on this forum know a lot about compositions of different rock materials right down to the chemistry. I can tell I'm going to learn a lot from all of you folks! Thank you so much for your answers and ideas, I've enjoyed taking all of them in. Know it's hard to really determine what something is when all you have is a photo to go from. And yes Don, this stuff is really neat and the carving I did from another nodule is a GORgeous deep red-grape all polished up. Gotta pic of that too if anybody wants to see it too. Thank you again, Carol From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Sun Sep 23 17:22:58 2007 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Sun Sep 23 17:22:08 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] old magazine In-Reply-To: <46F45EE0.104C@Tomaszewski.net> References: <46F40EF4.1040801@ncmail.net> <46F45EE0.104C@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <46F70362.10409@ncmail.net> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >Put it in quotes > > "National Amateur Mineralogist" > >and do a search on Google. Three hits is not much to sort thru. > >Kreigh > > > >Kenny Gay wrote: > > >>List, >>I've been going through old issues of Rocks and Minerals magazine. >>In an issue from 1943, I came across an ad for: The National Amateur >>Mineralogist >>Does anyone know anything about this old magazine? >> >>Thanks, >>Kenny >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> > > > Kreigh, Thanks for the information. In my haste I keep forgetting the quotation marks when using Google. Thanks for the reminder! Kenny --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 23 18:33:32 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 23 18:33:19 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net> <088b01c7fe3f$56358010$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <46F713D5.2799@Tomaszewski.net> Carol, I was at Roger Pabian's website at unl.edu looking for something else when your email came in, so I also searched for Wyoming (as I remembered the location) and found 95 varieties in the Agate Lexicon. The first one listed was Opalite; one specimen was reported to be jasperized. Here is the full writeup... Opalite: >From Donald Kasper (personal communication, 2006) Opalite is an opalized volcanic tuff or ash that may occur with common opal and agate. It may be dendritic. The key distinction between opalite and common opal is that opalite is very hard; specimens of opalite saw or chip with difficulty, whereas opal is commonly glassy and chips easily Opalite may have a wet appearance upon breaking fresh specimens creating the illusion of opal. Because of its hardness, opalite will commonly be found in pronounced outcrops or ridges in localities in the Mojave Desert and other world wide localities, while common opal outcrops form muddy, rolling hills or colored soil (laterites?). Common opal fractures readily into tiny crumbs upon hitting with a rock hammer and opalite does not. Opalite probably has a hardness of five to six, and common opal has a hardness of probably two. Opalite appears to decompose into sand, while common opal appears to decompose into a clay or mud (expansive clay). Opalite is associated with deep beds of volcanic ash or welded ash flow tuff, so it may occur with deposits of fossil palm root, palm wood, and bog in the Mojave Desert region. Opalite is often associated with moss agate and plume agate. Opalite can be a variety of colors, including white, tan, brown, green, and peach. Opal has a brittle fracture to it, while opalite does not exhibit this property. It is difficult to test hardness because of variability of specimens. Kramer (California) opalite specimens appear to be able to scratch Opal Mountain. opal specimens, but just barely. A knife can scrath the opal, but not opalite, but I (Kasper) do not know if this will be consistent (Knives are supposed to be Mohs hardness 5.5). However, the Kramer specimen is jasperized as a bog, so it could be harder from that. It's appears that opalite is H 6+ and Opal is H 5+. When some say opalite is "massive common opal", I (Kasper) think they are refering to its strength achieved through combination with tuff and subsequent loss of brittleness. Subsequent literature search shows that opalite occurs in the Ogallala Formation of Pliocene age in the North American mid-continent with extensive deposits being found in South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. The opalite from Kansas has been offered as moss agate for over 100 years, first being reported by Kunz (1885) from deposits in Graham County. Opalite also occurs in Australia and material from there has been offered as Golden Moss Opalite and Blue Moss Opalite in the gem trade. Common dendritic opal has been mined from deposits in the Ogallala Formation near Angora in Box Butte County, Nebraska. There, the common opal occurred in small individual nodules as opposed to thickly bedded or ledge forming deposits of opalite. Where in Wyoming did you find it? Kreigh Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: > > Thanks Kreigh, > > I've seen the opalite glass so know what you're referring to. I don't know > if the terms opalized or common opal would be more proper in place of > opalite. > > I'm pretty good at rock ID's but it sounds like you and many others on this > forum know a lot about compositions of different rock materials right down > to the chemistry. I can tell I'm going to learn a lot from all of you folks! > Thank you so much for your answers and ideas, I've enjoyed taking all of > them in. Know it's hard to really determine what something is when all you > have is a photo to go from. > > And yes Don, this stuff is really neat and the carving I did from another > nodule is a GORgeous deep red-grape all polished up. Gotta pic of that too > if anybody wants to see it too. > > Thank you again, Carol > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lavenderfish at cox.net Sun Sep 23 19:06:39 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Sun Sep 23 19:06:39 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net><088b01c7fe3f$56358010$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F713D5.2799@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <001001c7fe4f$8b857800$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> I bought it from a fellow in Wyoming who is mining it himself but am not sure where he's finding it. Thank you for sending the write up, is very interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not > Carol, > > I was at Roger Pabian's website at unl.edu looking for something else > when your email came in, so I also searched for Wyoming (as I remembered > the location) and found 95 varieties in the Agate Lexicon. The first one > listed was Opalite; one specimen was reported to be jasperized. Here is > the full writeup... > > Opalite: >From Donald Kasper (personal communication, 2006) Opalite > is an opalized volcanic tuff or ash that may occur with common opal > and agate. It may be dendritic. The key distinction between opalite > and common opal is that opalite is very hard; specimens of opalite > saw or chip with difficulty, whereas opal is commonly glassy and > chips easily Opalite may have a wet appearance upon breaking fresh > specimens creating the illusion of opal. Because of its hardness, > opalite will commonly be found in pronounced outcrops or ridges in > localities in the Mojave Desert and other world wide localities, > while common opal outcrops form muddy, rolling hills or colored soil > (laterites?). Common opal fractures readily into tiny crumbs upon > hitting with a rock hammer and opalite does not. Opalite > probably has a hardness of five to six, and common opal has a > hardness of probably two. Opalite appears to decompose into sand, > while common opal appears to decompose into a clay or mud (expansive > clay). Opalite is associated with deep beds of volcanic ash or > welded ash flow tuff, so it may occur with deposits of fossil palm > root, palm wood, and bog in the Mojave Desert region. Opalite is > often associated with moss agate and plume agate. Opalite can be a > variety of colors, including white, tan, brown, green, and peach. > Opal has a brittle fracture to it, while opalite does not exhibit > this property. It is difficult to test hardness because of > variability of specimens. Kramer (California) opalite specimens > appear to be able to scratch Opal Mountain. opal specimens, but just > barely. A knife can scrath the opal, but not opalite, but I (Kasper) > do not know if this will be consistent (Knives are supposed to be > Mohs hardness 5.5). However, the Kramer specimen is jasperized as a > bog, so it could be harder from that. It's appears that opalite is H > 6+ and Opal is H 5+. When some say opalite is "massive common opal", > I (Kasper) think they are refering to its strength achieved through > combination with tuff and subsequent loss of brittleness. Subsequent > literature search shows that opalite occurs in the Ogallala > Formation of Pliocene age in the North American mid-continent with > extensive deposits being found in South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, > Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. The opalite from Kansas has been > offered as moss agate for over 100 years, first being reported by > Kunz (1885) from deposits in Graham County. Opalite also occurs in > Australia and material from there has been offered as Golden Moss > Opalite and Blue Moss Opalite in the gem trade. Common dendritic > opal has been mined from deposits in the Ogallala Formation near > Angora in Box Butte County, Nebraska. There, the common opal > occurred in small individual nodules as opposed to thickly bedded or > ledge forming deposits of opalite. > > Where in Wyoming did you find it? > > Kreigh > > > > > Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: >> >> Thanks Kreigh, >> >> I've seen the opalite glass so know what you're referring to. I don't >> know >> if the terms opalized or common opal would be more proper in place of >> opalite. >> >> I'm pretty good at rock ID's but it sounds like you and many others on >> this >> forum know a lot about compositions of different rock materials right >> down >> to the chemistry. I can tell I'm going to learn a lot from all of you >> folks! >> Thank you so much for your answers and ideas, I've enjoyed taking all of >> them in. Know it's hard to really determine what something is when all >> you >> have is a photo to go from. >> >> And yes Don, this stuff is really neat and the carving I did from another >> nodule is a GORgeous deep red-grape all polished up. Gotta pic of that >> too >> if anybody wants to see it too. >> >> Thank you again, Carol >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Sun Sep 23 20:27:39 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Sun Sep 23 20:27:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net><088b01c7fe3f$56358010$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0><46F713D5.2799@Tomaszewski.net> <001001c7fe4f$8b857800$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <029501c7fe5a$dc8edb50$039e5a40@marilyn> Got it here in NM too Steve T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Carter-Wientjes" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not >I bought it from a fellow in Wyoming who is mining it himself but am not >sure where he's finding it. > > Thank you for sending the write up, is very interesting. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not > > >> Carol, >> >> I was at Roger Pabian's website at unl.edu looking for something else >> when your email came in, so I also searched for Wyoming (as I remembered >> the location) and found 95 varieties in the Agate Lexicon. The first one >> listed was Opalite; one specimen was reported to be jasperized. Here is >> the full writeup... >> >> Opalite: >From Donald Kasper (personal communication, 2006) Opalite >> is an opalized volcanic tuff or ash that may occur with common opal >> and agate. It may be dendritic. The key distinction between opalite >> and common opal is that opalite is very hard; specimens of opalite >> saw or chip with difficulty, whereas opal is commonly glassy and >> chips easily Opalite may have a wet appearance upon breaking fresh >> specimens creating the illusion of opal. Because of its hardness, >> opalite will commonly be found in pronounced outcrops or ridges in >> localities in the Mojave Desert and other world wide localities, >> while common opal outcrops form muddy, rolling hills or colored soil >> (laterites?). Common opal fractures readily into tiny crumbs upon >> hitting with a rock hammer and opalite does not. Opalite >> probably has a hardness of five to six, and common opal has a >> hardness of probably two. Opalite appears to decompose into sand, >> while common opal appears to decompose into a clay or mud (expansive >> clay). Opalite is associated with deep beds of volcanic ash or >> welded ash flow tuff, so it may occur with deposits of fossil palm >> root, palm wood, and bog in the Mojave Desert region. Opalite is >> often associated with moss agate and plume agate. Opalite can be a >> variety of colors, including white, tan, brown, green, and peach. >> Opal has a brittle fracture to it, while opalite does not exhibit >> this property. It is difficult to test hardness because of >> variability of specimens. Kramer (California) opalite specimens >> appear to be able to scratch Opal Mountain. opal specimens, but just >> barely. A knife can scrath the opal, but not opalite, but I (Kasper) >> do not know if this will be consistent (Knives are supposed to be >> Mohs hardness 5.5). However, the Kramer specimen is jasperized as a >> bog, so it could be harder from that. It's appears that opalite is H >> 6+ and Opal is H 5+. When some say opalite is "massive common opal", >> I (Kasper) think they are refering to its strength achieved through >> combination with tuff and subsequent loss of brittleness. Subsequent >> literature search shows that opalite occurs in the Ogallala >> Formation of Pliocene age in the North American mid-continent with >> extensive deposits being found in South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, >> Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. The opalite from Kansas has been >> offered as moss agate for over 100 years, first being reported by >> Kunz (1885) from deposits in Graham County. Opalite also occurs in >> Australia and material from there has been offered as Golden Moss >> Opalite and Blue Moss Opalite in the gem trade. Common dendritic >> opal has been mined from deposits in the Ogallala Formation near >> Angora in Box Butte County, Nebraska. There, the common opal >> occurred in small individual nodules as opposed to thickly bedded or >> ledge forming deposits of opalite. >> >> Where in Wyoming did you find it? >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> >> >> Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Kreigh, >>> >>> I've seen the opalite glass so know what you're referring to. I don't >>> know >>> if the terms opalized or common opal would be more proper in place of >>> opalite. >>> >>> I'm pretty good at rock ID's but it sounds like you and many others on >>> this >>> forum know a lot about compositions of different rock materials right >>> down >>> to the chemistry. I can tell I'm going to learn a lot from all of you >>> folks! >>> Thank you so much for your answers and ideas, I've enjoyed taking all of >>> them in. Know it's hard to really determine what something is when all >>> you >>> have is a photo to go from. >>> >>> And yes Don, this stuff is really neat and the carving I did from >>> another >>> nodule is a GORgeous deep red-grape all polished up. Gotta pic of that >>> too >>> if anybody wants to see it too. >>> >>> Thank you again, Carol >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 20:29:50 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Sep 23 20:29:54 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? In-Reply-To: <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> References: <721087.11019.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <084201c7fe0b$40497600$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: I would like to see it. Thhanks, Grant On 9/23/07, Carol Carter-Wientjes wrote: > Not sure if I'm allowed to post a photo of this rock to the list or not, so > if you'd like to get a look at it let me know and I'll send you a photo > offlist. I'll go take one right now. By the way it's found in Wyoming. > > Thanks from Carol > > > ---- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Sep 23 21:17:31 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Sep 23 21:17:38 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not Message-ID: Thanks for finding and quoting that material from Roger Pabian's website, Kreigh. Although informative and descriptive, it is also to a certain degree nonsense, because it never explains in the least way, what "opalite" supposedly is. It gives an empirical description of the material, but it has to either be opal, or not be opal. Mineralogically, "common" opal is just as much opal, as is "precious" opal; the fire is just due to the certain ideal physical arrangement and uniformity of the opal microspheres that make it up. If so-called opalite is different in some way from "common opal", then someone needs to be able to define what that difference, mineralogically, is. If it's any form of opal, then it is still common opal. If it's not opal, then it's cryptocrystalline quartz--chalcedony or chert or jasper, and it's therefore NOT opal, and calling it "opalite" is a very bad misnomer. There's more here to this than has been uncovered yet! There are more possible complexities to this, too. There are different mineralogical forms of opal, differing in their crystallinity, from completely glassy perfectly noncrystalline opal, to opal that has slight, imperfect degrees of the crystal structure of cristobalite or tridymite, so that different types of opal can be distinguished by X-ray diffraction; opal-A, opal-C, opal-CT, etc. Perhaps the so-called opalite is actually a mixture of opal and chalcedony, or opal and cristobalite? Let's see if anyone can shed any more light on this. Pete Modreski P.S., FYI, here is a very good article that concisely describes the different types of opal and of the other silica minerals; written by Dr. Deane K. Smith, who was a mineralogy professor of mine at Penn State (he's now deceased). For the existence of this particular article we actually have to thank OSHA, because of the concern about possible carcinogenity of quartz and the other the various forms of silica. _http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/silicacrystalline/smithdk/pdf/nomenc.pdf_ (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/silicacrystalline/smithdk/pdf/nomenc.pdf) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Alpen at aol.com Mon Sep 24 07:06:01 2007 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Mon Sep 24 07:06:18 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: NS Agate Message-ID: Hans, I hope you'll keep the list posted as you work on the website. I'm definitely interested in the excursions part. It looks to be a fabulous place to go. Eric In a message dated 9/20/2007 7:02:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:46:00 -0300 From: Hans Durstling Subject: [Rockhounds] NS Agate To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: <4b4301c0ee83e56a12d09d591a152ef5@nbnet.nb.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Ronnie, This may amuse you. It is only a very beginning, but self-coded, by hand, and what an ordeal! http://www.virtualfundy.com/VirtualFundyDIY.html Hans ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Sep 24 07:09:28 2007 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Mon Sep 24 07:10:02 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? In-Reply-To: <087c01c7fe25$d8de97a0$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> References: <087c01c7fe25$d8de97a0$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <008801c7feb4$852bb130$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Carol: If you don't mind, I'll throw some questions your way. You mention that the grinding and polishing was easy? How easy? Opal is noticeably softer than chalcedony and I rarely resort to a rough grind with opal. With chalcedony I find the rough grind necessary. Also when grinding chalcedony I often see those flashes of light that come from the stressed quartz crystals (triboluminescence, I believe). I don't think opal displays these flashes as it doesn't really have a crystal structure. So, did you notice any flashes of light while grinding your rock? Do you have a black light you can put your rock under to check for fluorescence? I had always assumed that opalite was a local descriptor for common opal that fluoresces. Though, in looking around for info on opalite, I found that Mindat lists opalite as synthetic opalized glass. http://www.mindat.org/min-5984.html Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Carol Carter-Wientjes Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:08 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? Hi again Pete, Thanks for all of your consideration. Given the fact that it does have some heft to it, may make it lean towards more chalcedony or even jasper than opalite. It sure is easy to cut and polish without too much effort. The mystery continues! Carol > > I've been thinking abouit what DOES allow us to distinguish opal from > chalcedony or jasper. Aside from properties that one needs technical > equipment to > measure, the differences that are visually or otherwise perceptible are, > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From liz.fodi at utoronto.ca Mon Sep 24 09:44:50 2007 From: liz.fodi at utoronto.ca (Liz Fodi) Date: Mon Sep 24 09:41:13 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Numbering on minerals In-Reply-To: <005701c7fc70$c7ac4100$6400a8c0@Junior> References: <518781.87369.qm@web34312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002101c7fc56$68aa0b70$fbdc2c4b@LarryRush> <005701c7fc70$c7ac4100$6400a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <46F7E982.6070103@utoronto.ca> As someone with a fairly large self-collected collection as well as a purchased collection I recently took stock of just how well they were documented. The exercise was triggered by the acquisition of specimens from two different collections where the collection material was dispersed in several directions but the collection records were acquired by only one of the individuals concerned. Fortunately , because I know who has the records *at present* I can complete information on damaged or faded labels and match specimen numbers to fuller data. But it also made me consider just what information an affixed label should carry. If you consider yourself as the current custodian of a specimen of value to posterity, I've concluded that* locality information is the most important thing* to keep with the specimen. The actual species can be redetermined. Your own catalogue number is irrelevant without the catalogue. But exactly where the specimen came from is usually impossible to determine from the sample itself. Accurate locality data also provides a clue to species as well as, in some cases, indicating the period during which the specimen could have been collected. For self-collected specimens that are potential 'keepers' I now place them into zip-lock plastic bags with a paper label and affix an adhesive label with the locality information to the specimen itself. Since there are several localities that are regularly visited by us locality labels, both paper and adhesive, can be run off in quantity. Date (on both labels) and species are added by hand. My adhesive labels are removable but not the kind that fall off. WilsonJones makes a good removable label for this purpose. Once a decision is made to keep the specimen, final labeling of the specimen itself can be done in the way Tim suggests. We use the smallest font available regardless of the specimen size. I think mounting small or delicate specimens in display boxes is still the best solution to damage prevention and potential loss of information. The box should be permanently labeled, not simply sport an inserted card. There is an added advantage to using archival ph neutral or acid-free paper. Laser toner is supposed to bond better to alkaline paper! Nail polish works. But do read the labels because clear nail polish varies in composition and even the brand and type one has been using can change in this regard Finally, I think there are mineral specimens that are so expensive and, therefor, exclusive in ownership, that they have become objects first and foremost. There are also collectors who are not interested in minerals for any scientific or historical reason. I have bought specimens from collections of the latter kind very cheaply because of poor locality data. Designations of Canada, USA, Mexico, etc. are not uncommon for eye catching specimens. They are still a pleasure to own. Liz Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > Printers can produce type that is very, very small. All the info on > the mineral and it's locality can be put on a label well under 1" > square. (Oldtimers that can't operate computers could print the info > clearly on a sheet of paper, and have a grandkid type it up and print > it off.) Large specimens of any value at all should have this label. > Find an inconspicuous space, put on a layer of nail polish, let it dry > a bit, put on the label, and give it at least two coats. This results > in a very durable, quite handsome label that can easily withstand > washing, and I'd expect it to last at least a couple of decades. The > specimen is protected for posterity; why rely on memory alone? Field > collectors, or anybody with lots of big specimens should definitely be > doing this, it's very little effort. People need to get past the phase > of manic accumulation, and think about actually curating the thousands > of dollars of specimens they accumulate over a lifetime. > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Mon Sep 24 16:54:25 2007 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (Steve & Marilyn) Date: Mon Sep 24 16:54:20 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? References: <087c01c7fe25$d8de97a0$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <008801c7feb4$852bb130$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <00aa01c7ff06$3c90fcd0$039e5a40@marilyn> some times opalite floresces and some doesnt or very weekly We have several deposits in NM and some is yellow and greeen that usually floresces maybe uranium minerilization and the white usually is very weak if at all. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Kowalski" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? > Carol: > If you don't mind, I'll throw some questions your way. You mention that > the > grinding and polishing was easy? How easy? Opal is noticeably softer than > chalcedony and I rarely resort to a rough grind with opal. With chalcedony > I > find the rough grind necessary. > Also when grinding chalcedony I often see those flashes of light that come > from the stressed quartz crystals (triboluminescence, I believe). I don't > think opal displays these flashes as it doesn't really have a crystal > structure. So, did you notice any flashes of light while grinding your > rock? > > Do you have a black light you can put your rock under to check for > fluorescence? I had always assumed that opalite was a local descriptor for > common opal that fluoresces. Though, in looking around for info on > opalite, > I found that Mindat lists opalite as synthetic opalized glass. > http://www.mindat.org/min-5984.html > > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Carol > Carter-Wientjes > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:08 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not/digital to view? > > Hi again Pete, > > Thanks for all of your consideration. Given the fact that it does have > some > heft to it, may make it lean towards more chalcedony or even jasper than > opalite. It sure is easy to cut and polish without too much effort. > > The mystery continues! Carol > > >> >> I've been thinking abouit what DOES allow us to distinguish opal from >> chalcedony or jasper. Aside from properties that one needs technical >> equipment to >> measure, the differences that are visually or otherwise perceptible are, >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Sep 24 19:54:34 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Sep 24 19:50:49 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: Message-ID: <46F8777F.6939@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, Roger had it listed as an agate variety, so I assume "opalite" is an agate mineralogically. Kreigh Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for finding and quoting that material from Roger Pabian's website, > Kreigh. > > Although informative and descriptive, it is also to a certain degree > nonsense, because it never explains in the least way, what "opalite" supposedly is. > It gives an empirical description of the material, but it has to either be > opal, or not be opal. Mineralogically, "common" opal is just as much opal, as > is "precious" opal; the fire is just due to the certain ideal physical > arrangement and uniformity of the opal microspheres that make it up. > > If so-called opalite is different in some way from "common opal", then > someone needs to be able to define what that difference, mineralogically, is. If > it's any form of opal, then it is still common opal. If it's not opal, then > it's cryptocrystalline quartz--chalcedony or chert or jasper, and it's > therefore NOT opal, and calling it "opalite" is a very bad misnomer. There's more > here to this than has been uncovered yet! > > There are more possible complexities to this, too. There are different > mineralogical forms of opal, differing in their crystallinity, from completely > glassy perfectly noncrystalline opal, to opal that has slight, imperfect > degrees of the crystal structure of cristobalite or tridymite, so that different > types of opal can be distinguished by X-ray diffraction; opal-A, opal-C, > opal-CT, etc. > > Perhaps the so-called opalite is actually a mixture of opal and chalcedony, > or opal and cristobalite? Let's see if anyone can shed any more light on > this. > > Pete Modreski > > P.S., FYI, here is a very good article that concisely describes the > different types of opal and of the other silica minerals; written by Dr. Deane K. > Smith, who was a mineralogy professor of mine at Penn State (he's now deceased). > For the existence of this particular article we actually have to thank > OSHA, because of the concern about possible carcinogenity of quartz and the other > the various forms of silica. > _http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/silicacrystalline/smithdk/pdf/nomenc.pdf_ > (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/silicacrystalline/smithdk/pdf/nomenc.pdf) > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jerrybs at frii.com Mon Sep 24 21:28:59 2007 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerrybs@frii.com) Date: Mon Sep 24 21:29:01 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not In-Reply-To: <001001c7fe4f$8b857800$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net><088b01c7fe3f$56358010$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <46F713D5.2799@Tomaszewski.net> <001001c7fe4f$8b857800$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Message-ID: <1486.198.145.218.158.1190694539.squirrel@users.frii.com> Look up Amsden chert that is found in the Big Horn Mtns of WY. I know of a person who is selling Amsden chert calling it by a new made up name. Jerry formerly WY, now WA > I bought it from a fellow in Wyoming who is mining it himself but am not > sure where he's finding it. > > Thank you for sending the write up, is very interesting. From lavenderfish at cox.net Tue Sep 25 04:58:23 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Tue Sep 25 04:58:32 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <07e601c7fdea$c0db4a80$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0><46F6D9FF.32DB@Tomaszewski.net><088b01c7fe3f$56358010$6701a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0><46F713D5.2799@Tomaszewski.net><001001c7fe4f$8b857800$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <1486.198.145.218.158.1190694539.squirrel@users.frii.com> Message-ID: <011101c7ff6b$611ccf10$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Jerry, Think we may know of the same guy :-) Is right where this purple stuff came from. I do like it a lot! Hmm, guess I better go learn something about chert today since I don't know too much about it. It's flintknapping material, no? Thanks for the hot tip, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not > Look up Amsden chert that is found in the Big Horn Mtns of WY. > > I know of a person who is selling Amsden chert calling it by a new made up > name. > > Jerry > formerly WY, now WA > > >> I bought it from a fellow in Wyoming who is mining it himself but am not >> sure where he's finding it. >> >> Thank you for sending the write up, is very interesting. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Tue Sep 25 06:21:11 2007 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Tue Sep 25 06:20:35 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not In-Reply-To: <46F8777F.6939@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000001c7ff76$f14d7e80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Kreigh wrote: Pete, Roger had it listed as an agate variety, so I assume "opalite" is an agate mineralogically. -------------------------------------- As is already evident from earlier posts on this topic, "opalite" has taken on several meanings in recent years. However, I believe the term was originally meant to refer to common, massive opal, as Pete mentioned. Here is the definition given in the 1972 edition of the American Geological Institute's "Glossary of Geology": Opalite: an impure, colored variety of common opal, e.g. myrickite. So that takes us to myrickite, which by definition (same source, AGI) is " chalcedony, opal, or massive quartz unevenly colored by or intergrown with pink or reddish inclusions of cinnabar . . ." However, the definition then goes on to state "The opal variety is known as opalite." Thus, per AGI the term opalite refers only to opal, not chalcedony. Confusion of the term with other (chalcedonic) types of myrickite may mistakenly have extended use of the term to varieties of agate - I've not researched this, but it would be interesting to track down. The still more recent (or so I assume) use of the term opalite to refer to a manmade gem material is a misnomer. Cheers- Earl Verbeek --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Sep 25 06:28:23 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 25 06:28:42 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not Message-ID: So, it sounds like this is probably chert (that does fit the picture), and the fellow mining & selling it is calling it "opalite" because that sounds a little more exotic. There's nothing wrong with chert, if it looks good. I think overall, most chert has not quite the luster and attractiveness when polished, of most jasper. But mozarkite, a type of chertr, is the official state rock of Missouri. The real use of "opalite" (aside from the synthetic material) should be used to = common opal, which generally, being softer and still less lustrous, has not much lapidary value (correct?). Pete ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Sep 25 17:04:31 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Sep 25 16:57:46 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: <000001c7ff76$f14d7e80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> Message-ID: <46F9A075.27C0@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks Earl! Not only does that make sense, it comes from good authority ;-} It is a good day when you learn something new. This list Rocks! Kreigh Earl R. Verbeek wrote: > > Kreigh wrote: > > > > Pete, > > > > Roger had it listed as an agate variety, so I assume "opalite" is an > > agate mineralogically. > > -------------------------------------- > > > > As is already evident from earlier posts on this topic, "opalite" has taken > on several meanings in recent years. However, I believe the term was > originally meant to refer to common, massive opal, as Pete mentioned. Here > is the definition given in the 1972 edition of the American Geological > Institute's "Glossary of Geology": Opalite: an impure, colored variety of > common opal, e.g. myrickite. > > > > So that takes us to myrickite, which by definition (same source, AGI) is " > chalcedony, opal, or massive quartz unevenly colored by or intergrown with > pink or reddish inclusions of cinnabar . . ." However, the definition then > goes on to state "The opal variety is known as opalite." Thus, per AGI the > term opalite refers only to opal, not chalcedony. Confusion of the term > with other (chalcedonic) types of myrickite may mistakenly have extended use > of the term to varieties of agate - I've not researched this, but it would > be interesting to track down. The still more recent (or so I assume) use of > the term opalite to refer to a manmade gem material is a misnomer. > > > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lavenderfish at cox.net Tue Sep 25 17:50:13 2007 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Tue Sep 25 17:50:44 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not References: Message-ID: <016301c7ffd7$3467d520$6401a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> The miner wasn't referring to it as opalite, that's just what I thought it was. I'm with Kreigh, this list rocks! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not > So, it sounds like this is probably chert (that does fit the picture), and > the fellow mining & selling it is calling it "opalite" because that sounds > a > little more exotic. > > There's nothing wrong with chert, if it looks good. I think overall, > most > chert has not quite the luster and attractiveness when polished, of most > jasper. But mozarkite, a type of chertr, is the official state rock of > Missouri. > > The real use of "opalite" (aside from the synthetic material) should be > used > to = common opal, which generally, being softer and still less lustrous, > has > not much lapidary value (correct?). > > Pete > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Sep 25 21:07:37 2007 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Sep 25 21:08:22 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not Message-ID: Hi guys, "opalite" is still SUPPOSED to be synonym for common opal, not agate. If Roger Pabian's website is saying that it's a variety of agate, then I'm afraid that either he's got it wrong, or he's just acknowledging a common but erroneous usage. Such things occur. Pete ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Sep 26 11:07:47 2007 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Sep 26 11:07:57 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not In-Reply-To: <46F9A075.27C0@Tomaszewski.net> References: <000001c7ff76$f14d7e80$2101a8c0@D3JM7W21> <46F9A075.27C0@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <8C9CE7F4730ED1F-928-1F70@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Rockhounds, After looking up a few more things, I just wanted to revisit "opalite" one more time. For a start, I checked a current online version of the Glossary of Geology and it still gives what Earl V. quoted from the 1972 edition, "opalite (o'-pal-ite) An impure, colored variety of common opal; e.g. myrickite. Sp: opalita. " And regarding which I'd like to note that this is not saying that opalite IS myrickite, it's just giving myrickite as one example of a type of opalite [e.g. stands for "exempli gratia" which means "for example"]. Then I?searched for?articles referring to "opalite" in the GEOREF database of geologic literature, and here are some of the kinds of articles it came up with: Geochemistry of epithermal mineralization in the volcanic districts of western Yemen Strachan, Donald G; Mattash, Mohamed A; Diner, Jed; Howard, Avrom E Abstracts with Programs - Geological Society of America, vol.35, no.6, pp.233, Nov 2003 ... breccia matrices), calcite, or clay. Opaline silica or opalite also occurs indicating near-surface epithermal conditions. Gold in concentrations up to 1 ppm or more occur in quartz veins and stockwork veinlets, hosted mostly in mafic rocks and ... ? Sulfide-impregnated and pure silica precipitates of hydrothermal origin from the Central Indian Ocean Halbach, M; Halbach, P; Lueders, V Chemical Geology, vol.182, no.2-4, pp.357-375, 15 Feb 2002 ... barite, pyrite and traces of chalcopyrite, and an opalite which is an almost pure silica-phase without any sulfide or sulfate impregnations, but which is sometimes covered by manganese crusts. No internal concentric zoning indicating typical ... ? Natural levels of mercury in groundwaters associated with opalite-hosted mercury deposits, Ivanhoe mining district, Nevada Engle, Mark A; Tempel, Regina N; Wallace, Alan R; Gustin, Mae S Abstracts with Programs - Geological Society of America, vol.30, no.7, pp.57, 1998 Leaching of mercury from mercury-bearing opalite rocks in the Ivanhoe Mining District, Elko County, Nevada, is being investigated to determine natural mercury levels in the local environment. The primary hypothesis tested is that low mercury ... ? Kiselo-sulfaten tip izmeneniye na skalite ot rudnik Opalit na nakhodishche Spanchevo, Republika Makedoniya. Acid-sulfate alteration of Opalite Mine at Spancevo Deposit, Republic of Macedonia Kanazirski, Milko; Velinov, Ivan; Nokov, Smoyan; Serafimovski, Todor; Sandev, Blazhe; Keralt, Ignasio Geokhimiya, Mineralogiya i Petrologiya, vol.33, pp.49-60, 1998 ... pattern studies of opalized breccias and tuffs at the Opalite Mine show that these are intensively altered volcanic rocks composed of different assemblages of secondary minerals: opal-CT, very rarely opal-C and opal-A, alunite, kaolinite, some ... ? Anatomy of an epithermal mineralization; Mumcu (Balikesir-Sindirgi), inner-western Anatolia, Turkey Oygur, Vedat Bulletin of the Mineral Research and Exploration Institute of Turkey, vol.119, pp.29-39, 1997 ... Epithermal mineralization which is situated in the opalite zone within the metamorphics is represented with cinnabar associated with arsenopyrite, electrum (?) and rare gold particles. The gold values determined both in the Hg-bearing opalite ... These all seem to clearly be using opalite as being a type of opal; one of them (the Russian article) as you'll see, makes reference to the different types of opal that I referred to earlier, opal-CT, opal-C, opal-A.? And, I was amused to see this article listed in the database: Shady names Frazier, Si; Frazier, Ann Lapidary Journal, vol.46, no.9, pp.57-60, 94, Dec 1992 I don't have immediate access to that 1992 Lapidary Journal, but I'm presuming that the "shady names" title is in acknowledgement of "opalite" being pretty much of a confusing, often misused term. An aside, as some of you may know, there are a number of "purist" mineralogists who believe that any "informal" mineral names that are not true and proper mineral species names should just never, ever be used at all at any time, period, because their use only?promotes confusion.? I'm sure that such people would most definitely include "opalite" in this category.? Some such purists would probably even go so far (if they could) as banning such terms as "amethyst" and?"emerald" because they are not mineral species name. And a final note, I also searched Google for opalite, and did observe that most references to it do refer to the synthetic material used in beads and jewelry.? I noticed that one, however, referred to the purple "Tiffany Stone" from Utah as a type of opalite: Tiffany Stone - Opalite - History, Facts, Lore, Myths and Pictures Pictures of rough and polished opalite, also known as Tiffany stone, ice cream opal and opalized fluorite. www.bernardine.com/gemstones/opalite.htm This caught my eye because, aside from always having known about this material, it happens that I just bought a piece of it (unpolished, but with nice texture) from a dealer at the Denver Show, the other week.??If you'd like to read some?accurate mineralogic details about this material, which occurs in the vicinity of the Spor Mountain beryllium mine in western Utah, and is a concentrically banded mixture of chalcedony, opal, purple fluorite, sometimes calcite or dolomite, and traces (not visible) of beryllium minerals, take a look at these USGS web pages which describe the ore deposits and associated rocks there: http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1998/ofr-98-0524/HOME.HTM (aside from the general geologic description and photos here, be sure to click on the "mineralized nodules" link near the bottom of the page--it's easy to miss)--for which the direct link is http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1998/ofr-98-0524/MINNODS.HTM [calling this material "opalite" is a little bit of a stretch, because it is a banded mixture of?a number of different minerals, only one of which is opal] Cheers, Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 6:04 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] opalite vs. not Thanks Earl! Not only does that make sense, it comes from good authority ;-} It is a good day when you learn something new. This list Rocks! Kreigh Earl R. Verbeek wrote: > > Kreigh wrote: > > > > Pete, > > > > Roger had it listed as an agate variety, so I assume "opalite" is an > > agate mineralogically. > > -------------------------------------- > > > > As is already evident from earlier posts on this topic, "opalite" has taken > on several meanings in recent years. However, I believe the term was > originally meant to refer to common, massive opal, as Pete mentioned. Here > is the definition given in the 1972 edition of the American Geological > Institute's "Glossary of Geology": Opalite: an impure, colored variety of > common opal, e.g. myrickite. > > > > So that takes us to myrickite, which by definition (same source, AGI) is " > chalcedony, opal, or massive quartz unevenly colored by or intergrown with > pink or reddish inclusions of cinnabar . . ." However, the definition then > goes on to state "The opal variety is known as opalite." Thus, per AGI the > term opalite refers only to opal, not chalcedony. Confusion of the term > with other (chalcedonic) types of myrickite may mistakenly have extended use > of the term to varieties of agate - I've not researched this, but it would > be interesting to track down. The still more recent (or so I assume) use of > the term opalite to refer to a manmade gem material is a misnomer. > > > > Cheers- Earl Verbeek > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 04:53:18 2007 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Sep 27 04:53:24 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] 'meteor' now diagnosed as hysteria Message-ID: More on the stinking 'meteor', now thought to be a hydrothermal explosion with possible arsine gas: BK -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Sep 27 08:36:47 2007 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Sep 27 08:36:52 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD:MasMils/PLUS on Sale In-Reply-To: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BA46F@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> References: <002901c7fba9$74018550$cfb45545@JOHN><46F2ACAE.1050108@verizon.net><006201c7fbaf$dd6f3590$6b01a8c0@okapi> <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BA46F@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> Message-ID: <011601c8011c$37f69c80$6b01a8c0@okapi> Hi all... eBay had a listing sale again (hey, I'm cheap!) and I listed the MasMils/PLUS up there: http://cgi.ebay.com/210-000-Mine-Locations-on-ONE-disk_W0QQitemZ130157587523 Thanks! Gary From rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com Fri Sep 28 08:06:16 2007 From: rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com (JOGS International Exhibits JOGS Gem and Jewelry Show 2008 at Tucson Expo Center J.O.G.S. Gem and Jewelry Show offers a unique, once a year opportunity to see, touch, and buy everything that pertains to the Gem and Jewelry World, from rough to polished, from findings to finished, J.O.G.S. is your one stop location to find the most rare, exceptional, and sought after product from all over the world - all this under one roof!... Gem Art DECOR Pavilion Come and visit the brand new Art Decore Pavilion at the JOGS Gem and Jewelry Show in February 2008. The Art Decor Pavilion will feature top decor artists, designers, wholesalers and buyers from around the world International Pavilions at JOGS Brazilian Pavilion Featuring main retail and wholesale exporters and manufacturers of gem stones and semi precious stone products from Brazil. 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International Exhibits 650 South Hill St., Suite 612-613, Los Angeles, CA 90014 Tel: (213) 629 3030 | Fax: (213) 629 3434 www.jogsshow.com | info@jogsshow.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/jpeg image/gif image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg image/jpeg --- From DrkHorse42 at aol.com Fri Sep 28 11:50:22 2007 From: DrkHorse42 at aol.com (DrkHorse42@aol.com) Date: Fri Sep 28 11:50:30 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Australian Mining Boom Message-ID: There have been many articles lately about an upsurge in mining in Oz.Will the news media soon be casting us rockhounds as the villians behind the raze and ruin ?So far, the finger seems to point at the demand for various ores. _Click here: New Australia Mining Boom Taking Toll on Outback Life_ (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070926-australia-mining.html) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun Sep 30 16:37:55 2007 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun Sep 30 16:37:40 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Geode symposium Message-ID: <001c01c803ba$ecf7ead0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> The Friends of Mineralogy Midwest Chapter Symposium a success. The theme was geodes. The group (about 40 people registered) visited two road cuts and two quarries on Saturday and 21/2 road cuts and one quarry on sunday (today). There were a number of presentations last night connected to the theme. All in all, it was fun, informative and very tiring! Alan P.S. I haven't received any e-mail from this list in 2 days. Problem or silence? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sun Sep 30 17:18:05 2007 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sun Sep 30 17:18:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mail in 2 days In-Reply-To: <001c01c803ba$ecf7ead0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <717108.90596.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I thought the same thing. Everyone must be outside getting there yards cleaned up for the coming winter! Hahaha Smiles Teri Jetter --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > The Friends of Mineralogy Midwest Chapter Symposium > a success. The theme was geodes. The group (about 40 > people registered) visited two road cuts and two > quarries on Saturday and 21/2 road cuts and one > quarry on sunday (today). There were a number of > presentations last night connected to the theme. All > in all, it was fun, informative and very tiring! > > Alan > P.S. I haven't received any e-mail from this list in > 2 days. Problem or silence? > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From roughrock at gmail.com Sun Sep 30 17:31:13 2007 From: roughrock at gmail.com (Grant Johnston) Date: Sun Sep 30 17:31:27 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] E. Tennesseefossils Message-ID: Nice fossil find in TN. http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/Chief_Engineer/assistant_engineer_operations/materials/geotech/GrayFossilSite.htm Grant From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Sep 30 17:57:22 2007 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Sep 30 17:57:34 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mail in 2 days In-Reply-To: <717108.90596.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001c01c803ba$ecf7ead0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <717108.90596.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FCFD970004A807@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added by postmaster@bouncemessage.net) I just got back from 2 days in Honolulu and expected to find a load of stuff, but found just you guys and several offers to pick up British lottery wins or join big business ventures in Ghana and Benin! I think all is well with the List, however. Aloha, Kitty At 02:18 PM 9/30/2007, Teri Jetter wrote: >I thought the same thing. Everyone must be outside >getting there yards cleaned up for the coming winter! >Hahaha >Smiles >Teri Jetter >--- Alan Goldstein wrote: > > P.S. I haven't received any e-mail from this list in > > 2 days. Problem or silence? From geenet at centurytel.net Sun Sep 30 19:53:12 2007 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Sun Sep 30 19:53:37 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: DP Genie parts References: <001c01c803ba$ecf7ead0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><717108.90596.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FCFD970004A807@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) Message-ID: <005401c803d6$3bec3680$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> To all you experienced Genie users out there, where is a good place to get a replacement belt for a Genie? Jeanette From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Sep 30 20:37:21 2007 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Sep 30 20:37:11 2007 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: DP Genie parts References: <001c01c803ba$ecf7ead0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><717108.90596.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46FCFD970004A807@n016.sc0.he.tucows.com> (added bypostmaster@bouncemessage.net) <005401c803d6$3bec3680$6602a8c0@CMC3101861A> Message-ID: <47006B61.2CF0@Tomaszewski.net> Jeanette, I've only used a Genie once, but most lapidary manufactuers use standard parts in assembling their equipment. You can probably find a cheaper belt replacement at your local auto parts store than you can get from the manufacturer. Kreigh Jeanette Wimpee wrote: > > To all you experienced Genie users out there, where is a good place to get a > replacement belt for a Genie? > Jeanette > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html