From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Aug 1 01:48:48 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 1 01:48:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite In-Reply-To: <8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c8f3b3$6ab4f9c0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Better... You've outdone me, Pete. I wouldn't have come up with this in a million years. I shall go and live out my remaining years in some Nepalese cave with no other sustenance than salted yak-butter tea and Yeti droppings. Cheers ;-))))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 0:02 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > > As a slightly off-topic aside, at a science teachers' meeting > I was at the other night, one fellow was wearing a T-shirt > with information about an unsual new mineral, a carbonaceous > holmium-lanthanum cobalt telluride, i.e., it said, CHoCoLaTe > > (Isn't this a post, almost worthy of Axel himself?) > > Cheers, Pete > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Axel Emmermann > To: bj9709@yahoo.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for rock and gem collectors' > Sent: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 4:31 pm > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > > > > Hi Brett, > > Spherocobaltite (or is it sphaerocobaltite) is CoCO3. > It's one of the pure ones, the "end-members", of the calcite group. > > Calcite (CaCO3) > Magnesite (MgCO3) > Otavite (CdCO3) > Rhodochrosite (MnCO3) > Siderite (FeCO3) > Smithsonite (ZnCO3) > > Have I forgotten a few? > > Mangano-calcite is in between rhodochrosite and calcite, > there's also cadmian-smithsonite... > > Cheers > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Brett Allen > > Johnson > > Verzonden: donderdag 31 juli 2008 23:07 > > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > > > > On the subject of Cobaltian Calcite. > > What is the difference between Sphaerocobaltite and > Cobaltian Calcite? > > I have googled both and got many conflicting answers. Some > say CoCO3, > > others say (Co,Ca)CO3. > > I am not sure, but I think I have both Sphaerocobaltite and > Cobaltian > > Calcite in my collection. So, I need to find out what is > what = so I > > can identify my specimens correctly. Thank, Brett > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Aug 1 02:19:20 2008 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Aug 1 02:19:25 2008 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtSb2NraG91bmRzXSBOZXcgQm9vayBNaW5lcmFscyBvZiBCcml0YWluIGFuZCBJcmVsYW5k?= Message-ID: <20080801091920.19014.qmail@webmachine101.com> I am in full agreement with Juergen. I received my copy from AmazonUK at a good discounted price. Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ This year's Australasian Mineral Society Seminar is in Tasmania Check details here --> http://www.tasmanianlapidary.org.au/jamss2008.htm > -------Original Message------- > From: Juergen Wachsmuth > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Book Minerals of Britain and Ireland > Sent: 24 Jul '08 06:22 > > Hello, > > today I received my copy of Minerals of Britain and Ireland by A.G. > Tindle. > > It is fantastic, my advice is not to miss this one if you like mineral > books. Lots of up-to-date information, and great fotos. It definitely is > worth its price of 95 GBP, and even better there was a reduced price at > amazon.uk. > > Regards, J?rgen > > (I do not know the author personally, and I have no interest in the > publishing company) > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Aug 1 03:26:20 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 1 03:26:24 2008 Subject: Chemical Words {was: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite} In-Reply-To: <46D2E755-5F6F-11DD-8446-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> <46D2E755-5F6F-11DD-8446-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000701c8f3c1$0a20ab50$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Holmium lithium carbon oxygen tungsten, Kreigh. Yeah, I know: it should be lythium but you have to allow some creative freedom ;-))) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 3:12 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Chemical Words {was: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: > Question, Cobaltian Calcite} > > There are 26,811 English words that can be spelled from the > Periodic table... > > http://www.wellington.org/nandor/chemwords/chemwords.htm > > The only elements that can be spelled using chemical symbols are: > > ?arsenic > ?ArSeNiC, ArSeNIC > > ?astatine > ?AsTaTiNe > > ?bismuth > ?BiSmUTh, BISmUTh > > ?carbon > ?CaRbON, CArBON > > ?copper > ?CoPPEr, COPPEr > > ?iron > ?IrON > > ?krypton > ?KrYPtON > > ?neon > ?NeON > > ?phosphorus > ?PHOsPHoRuS, PHoSPHoRuS, PHOSPHoRus, > ?PHOsPHORuS, PHoSPHORuS, PHOSPHORuS?? > > ?silicon > ?SiLiCoN, SILiCoN, SiLiCON, SILiCON > > ?tin > ?TiN > > ?xenon > ?XeNoN, XeNON > > I knew I had seen this before, it just took me a while to > find it again. > > Enjoy! > > Kreigh > > > On Thursday, Jul 31, 2008, at 19:02 America/Detroit, pmodreski@aol.com > wrote: > > > As a slightly off-topic aside, at a science teachers' > meeting I was at > > the other night, one fellow was wearing a T-shirt with information > > about an unsual new mineral, a carbonaceous > holmium-lanthanum cobalt > > telluride, i.e., it said, CHoCoLaTe > > > > (Isn't this a post, almost worthy of Axel himself?) > > > > Cheers, Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Axel Emmermann > > To: bj9709@yahoo.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing > list for rock > > and gem collectors' > > Sent: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 4:31 pm > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > > > > > > > > Hi Brett, > > > > Spherocobaltite (or is it sphaerocobaltite) is CoCO3. > > It's one of the pure ones, the "end-members", of the calcite group. > > > > Calcite (CaCO3) > > Magnesite (MgCO3) > > Otavite (CdCO3) > > Rhodochrosite (MnCO3) > > Siderite (FeCO3) > > Smithsonite (ZnCO3) > > > > Have I forgotten a few? > > > > Mangano-calcite is in between rhodochrosite and calcite, > there's also > > cadmian-smithsonite... > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Brett Allen > >> Johnson > >> Verzonden: donderdag 31 juli 2008 23:07 > >> Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >> Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > >> > >> On the subject of Cobaltian Calcite. > >> What is the difference between Sphaerocobaltite and > Cobaltian Calcite? > >> I have googled both and got many conflicting answers. Some > say CoCO3, > >> others say (Co,Ca)CO3. > >> I am not sure, but I think I have both Sphaerocobaltite > and Cobaltian > >> Calcite in my collection. So, I need to find out what is > what = so I > >> can identify my specimens correctly. Thank, Brett > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Aug 1 03:34:50 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 1 03:34:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite In-Reply-To: References: <000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000801c8f3c2$3a6dab90$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Careful, Larry... Too much Beryllium Erbium can make you Barium Ruhterfordium Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: vrijdag 1 augustus 2008 2:47 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > > Some prefer > > BeEr > > (Beryllium Erbium) > > > > On Thursday, Jul 31, 2008, at 19:20 America/Detroit, Lawrence Rush > wrote: > > > But some of us prefer: > > > > CoCa CoLa > > > > (Cobaltium Calcide/Cobaltium Lanthanide) > > > > Larry Rush > > > > (Hope this doesn't start something!) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > > > > > >> As a slightly off-topic aside, at a science teachers' > meeting I was > >> at the other night, one fellow was wearing a T-shirt with > information > >> about an unsual new mineral, a carbonaceous > holmium-lanthanum cobalt > >> telluride, i.e., it said, CHoCoLaTe > >> > >> (Isn't this a post, almost worthy of Axel himself?) > >> > >> Cheers, Pete > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Axel Emmermann > >> To: bj9709@yahoo.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > >> rock and gem collectors' > >> Sent: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 4:31 pm > >> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Brett, > >> > >> Spherocobaltite (or is it sphaerocobaltite) is CoCO3. > >> It's one of the pure ones, the "end-members", of the calcite group. > >> > >> Calcite (CaCO3) > >> Magnesite (MgCO3) > >> Otavite (CdCO3) > >> Rhodochrosite (MnCO3) > >> Siderite (FeCO3) > >> Smithsonite (ZnCO3) > >> > >> Have I forgotten a few? > >> > >> Mangano-calcite is in between rhodochrosite and calcite, > there's also > >> cadmian-smithsonite... > >> > >> Cheers > >> Axel > >> > >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > >>> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > >>> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Brett Allen > >>> Johnson > >>> Verzonden: donderdag 31 juli 2008 23:07 > >>> Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > >>> Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] RE: Question, Cobaltian Calcite > >>> > >>> On the subject of Cobaltian Calcite. > >>> What is the difference between Sphaerocobaltite and Cobaltian > >>> Calcite? > >>> I have googled both and got many conflicting answers. Some say > >>> CoCO3, others say (Co,Ca)CO3. > >>> I am not sure, but I think I have both Sphaerocobaltite and > >>> Cobaltian Calcite in my collection. So, I need to find > out what is > >>> what = so I can identify my specimens correctly. Thank, Brett > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >>> multipart/alternative > >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >>> text/html > >>> --- > >>> -- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >>> Subscription Services: > >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html > >> --- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 05:39:26 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Fri Aug 1 05:42:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] One Geology Message-ID: This group is planning to put a global geological map up on the web: BK -- -- "The thunderbolt falls on an inch of ground; but the light of it fills the horizon." Ralph Waldo Emerson J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 1 09:19:58 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Fri Aug 1 09:20:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho metamorphics Message-ID: <8B73D14B-1C19-4A72-897A-F41BD43307C6@roadrunner.com> The Garnet and Kyanite trip is close. For those interested in poking around in the mountains west of Clarkia, Idaho for garnet and other metamorphic minerals, my plans are to start on Monday, Aug. 11. I'll be down to Clarkia about 10:30 that morning. We can meet where the highway that runs south out of "downtown" Clarkia meets road 301, about a quarter mile south of town (N 47? 00' 22" W 116 15' 11"). If anyone doesn't care to meet there, drive on 301 east about 5 miles to where road 382 takes off to the south (N 47? 00' 14" W 116 10' 09"). There is a small parking area there. Road 382 is the main route into the Floodwood area (O'Donnell Creek quartz location and other garnet sites accessible from there). We'll continue east up road 301. I'll be driving a gray van. I'll send another notice on Friday or Saturday. Regards, Lanny From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 1 11:25:23 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:28:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fraudulent museum Curator References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> <000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> I have been an active trader of minerals for almost 50 years, and have had many wonderful experiences with collectors all over the world. However, one very bad interaction has really gotten to me. I had forgotten about this guy until another swapper mentioned his name to me recently and had the same bad experience that I did. This proposed trader, of the name of Paulo Matioli, claims to be a curator of minerals at the Jobas Natural Science Museum, in Brazil. I believe he is, and he even has a legitimate mineral named for him, Matiolite. His MO is to schmooze a trader with promises of rare and exotic species to trade, promises much, sends photos, references, the works, and when you send specimens, usually your best, he disappears completely. No retun, no answers. I am not looking for sympathy, and like everything in life, it's "let the buyer beware", "if it's too good to be true", etc. What I want to do is to warn other traders, and to find out if anyone else has been taken by this guy, and formulate a plan to report him and put him out of the trading business. Mail me off-line if any of this rings any bells out there. Larry From drkhorse42 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 11:44:56 2008 From: drkhorse42 at aol.com (Phyllis Dyer) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:44:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Phyllis sent you a friend request on Tagged :) Message-ID: <200808011844.m71IiuCq018358@bubbleator.drizzle.com> If you can't see this email please click here Phyllis Dyer Phyllis Dyer has added you as a friend Is Phyllis your friend? Click Yes if Phyllis is your friend, otherwise click No.But you have to click! Please respond or Phyllis may think you said no :( Click here to block all emails from Tagged Inc., 110 Pacific Mall Box #117, San Francisco, CA. 94111 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri Aug 1 11:50:33 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:57:33 2008 Subject: [ADMIN][Rockhounds] Phyllis sent you a friend request on Tagged :) References: <200808011844.m71IiuCq018358@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <09b001c8f407$82332f00$0600a8c0@Montana> Sending a note to Phyllis. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Dyer" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Phyllis sent you a friend request on Tagged :) > If you can't see this email please click here > > > > > > > > Phyllis Dyer > > > > > Phyllis Dyer has added you as a friend > > Is Phyllis your friend? > > > > > > > Click Yes if Phyllis is your friend, otherwise click No.But you > have to click! > > > > > > Please respond or Phyllis may think you said no :( > > > > > > > > Click here to block all emails from Tagged Inc., 110 Pacific Mall > Box #117, San Francisco, CA. 94111 > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From albalmer at copper.net Fri Aug 1 12:32:36 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:32:37 2008 Subject: [ADMIN][Rockhounds] Phyllis sent you a friend request on Tagged :) In-Reply-To: <09b001c8f407$82332f00$0600a8c0@Montana> References: <200808011844.m71IiuCq018358@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <09b001c8f407$82332f00$0600a8c0@Montana> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:50:33 -0700, "Julie Siebel" wrote: >.But you >> have to click! Gee, I didn't click. Will I have seven years bad luck? Thanks, Julie, for keeping an eye out for this stuff. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 13:30:48 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:31:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Minerals, Inclusions and Volcanic Processes: Crystal-scale records of magma dynamics Message-ID: <004001c8f415$8ae84eb0$6500a8c0@TheBlackAdder> *********************************************************** Fwd. From: Fidel Costa *********************************************************** Dear All, we would like to draw your attention to the session: ''V38: Minerals, Inclusions and Volcanic Processes: Crystal-scale records of magma dynamics'' which will happen at the AGU, in San Francisco 15 ? 19 December 2008. Abstract deadline is 10th of September 2008. Please see description of the session below. We hope to see you all there! best regards, Mary Reid Northern Arizona University Department of Geology Flagstaff, AZ, USA 86011 928-523-7200 mary.reid@nau.edu Kari Cooper U.C. Davis Department of Geology Davis, CA, USA 95616 kmcooper@geology.ucdavis.edu Fidel Costa Institut de Ciences de la Terra Jaume Almera, CSIC Barcelona, ESP 08028 fcosta@ija.csic.es Minerals, Inclusions and Volcanic Processes: Crystal-scale records of magma dynamics Minerals and their inclusions provide a valuable archive of volcanic processes, including the history and dynamics of magmatic evolution. Building from the theme of a pre-meeting RiMG shortcourse, the goal of this session is to bring together scientists who use different methods to understand how information about magma dynamics can be extracted from the crystal record and in particular to explore how crystal records can be used to distinguish crystals and crystal populations in the same magmas that may record different histories. We are interested in contributions from those who date mineral aggregates and individual crystals and estimate residence times from U-series disequilibria and diffusion profiles, use isotopes to identify magma batches and processes, and use crystal chemistry, imaging, and isotopes to evaluate open system processing and untangle the evolution of co-mingled (autocrysts/phenocrysts, antecrysts, xenocrysts) crystals. We are especially interested in submissions that combine multiple techniques to address the sometimes disparate origins of crystals in magmas. ============================================================== --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Fri Aug 1 20:26:21 2008 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Fri Aug 1 20:26:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Google Earth for Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <48912B7B.1040602@hawaiiantel.net> References: <3A2A318C-5EA5-11DD-8446-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> <48912B7B.1040602@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <4893D3DD.6090103@jeannius.com> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/31/eaearth131.xml From tjokela at execulink.com Sat Aug 2 05:36:30 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Sat Aug 2 05:37:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Update on Barrick's "Unlock The Value" Competition References: <3A2A318C-5EA5-11DD-8446-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00c101c8f49c$65aa8a50$6600a8c0@Junior> Very cool, Kreigh. T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Update on Barrick's "Unlock The Value" Competition > Last fall Barrick Mining announced a $10M prize for anyone that could come > up with a method of extracting 180M ounces of silver encapsulated in > quartz ore from one of their mines. It was announced to this list a few > days before the deadline. I registered at http://www.unlockthevalue.com > and read all the details. > > I threw on my thinking cap, tossed around some odd ideas, did some > research, and came up with something fun over a rare free weekend. I > submitted just before the deadline. Then I found out they had moved the > deadline out by four months because of the overwhelming response. > > My timely submission got a sequence number over 100,000; I stood by my > initial submission even though I had months to revise it. I had taken my > long shot. > > Each participant was required to sign a 38 page legal contract that > defined how intellectual property rights would be handled should the > submission pass the first round of screening. I was very pleased when > Barrick executed my contract and informed me I had one of only 238 > proposals that were being advanced to their expert panel for further > consideration. > > Today Barrick informed me my proposal was not one of the sixteen being > advanced to the funded phase two pilot stage. Selection was based on the > risk associated with the proposed technology, as well its viability, the > strength of the supporting data, and associated health, safety and > environmental issues. Per Barrick's notice, the technological fields > detailed in the selected proposals include, microwave, laser, > electromagnetic, inorganic and organic chemistry, bioleaching, and > mechanics. > > There is still a (very) remote chance none of the sixteen proposals will > work out and my proposal could be re-evaluated, so I can't share my > details yet (I have a signed contract; the prize has not been awarded > yet). I never seriously expected to win, but I sure had fun trying! > > Please take away the lesson that Rockhounding is a gateway to real > science, and that amateurs can be taken seriously when they pursue it. If > it is not grown, it must be mined. Learning more about what comes out of > the earth can take you to interesting places/spaces, and give you a > lifetime of joy. > > Kreigh > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Aug 2 12:27:43 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 2 12:27:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Terlingua-type calcite In-Reply-To: <001001c8e419$32d16c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <200807120101.m6C11od9011045@bubbleator.drizzle.com><001a01c8e3dc$db4bfe40$0201a8c0@DOUGSPC><4878459D.6050108@verizon.net> <001001c8e419$32d16c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000901c8f4d5$d653d9d0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Don & list Last time the subject came up I wrote: > I'd have to look up the exact page (it's somewhere around p. > 200) but I think that my Marfunin says somewhere that > DIVALENT REE don't feel the crystal field effect much whereas > higher valences of REE do. ----- -----I 'm trying to get myself to re-read the > entire "Spectroscopy, Luminescence and Radiation Centers in > Minerals" by Arnold Marfunin. I didn't quite get the full > concept the first time around ;-))) So I thought that my > vague ramblings might better be interpreted and revised by > some bright new professional ;-))) > > Any sense to be found in this??? Well, it's not Marfunin. I found the text-"snippet" and it IS the other way around. Divalent REE feel the crystal field effect much more than the trivalent ones (generally speaking, there's all sorts of "but" and "or" and such... ). It makes sense, in a reverse way... The text refers to the "daylight" colors of minerals but that has to count for fluorescence too. I knew I read something about it somewhere and I assumed that it was Arnold Marfunin 's "Spectroscopy, Luminescence and Radiation Centers in Minerals" because it struck me as something to remember. The full text can be found in: "Farbe und Lumineszenz von Mineralien" by Gabriele Steffen, chapter 3: Farben durch Kristallfeld-Effekte, pages 56-57. ISBN: 3-13-118341-1 2000 ENKE im Georg Thieme Verlag Stuttgart - New York. I just thought I needed to get it set right ;-))) Cheers Axel From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Aug 2 15:08:23 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 2 15:08:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Terlingua-type calcite In-Reply-To: <000901c8f4d5$d653d9d0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <200807120101.m6C11od9011045@bubbleator.drizzle.com><001a01c8e3dc$db4bfe40$0201a8c0@DOUGSPC><4878459D.6050108@verizon.net><001001c8e419$32d16c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <000901c8f4d5$d653d9d0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <000a01c8f4ec$47c23bf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Oops, this was meant to go to Don, Pete, Earl and list... Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Axel Emmermann > Verzonden: zaterdag 2 augustus 2008 20:28 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Terlingua-type calcite > > > Well, it's not Marfunin. > I found the text-"snippet" and it IS the other way around. > Divalent REE feel the crystal field effect much more than the > trivalent ones (generally speaking, there's all sorts of > "but" and "or" and such... ). It makes sense, in a reverse way... > The text refers to the "daylight" colors of minerals but that > has to count for fluorescence too. > I knew I read something about it somewhere and I assumed that > it was Arnold Marfunin 's "Spectroscopy, Luminescence and > Radiation Centers in Minerals" > because it struck me as something to remember. > The full text can be found in: > "Farbe und Lumineszenz von Mineralien" by Gabriele Steffen, chapter 3: > Farben durch Kristallfeld-Effekte, pages 56-57. ISBN: > 3-13-118341-1 2000 ENKE im Georg Thieme Verlag Stuttgart - New York. > > I just thought I needed to get it set right ;-))) > > Cheers > Axel > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mikeflan at att.net Sun Aug 3 20:10:55 2008 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun Aug 3 19:08:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho metamorphics In-Reply-To: <200808020101.m7211GdH008385@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200808020101.m7211GdH008385@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4896733F.5080601@att.net> Old maps of the areas you mention are below. On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, lanny.r@roadrunner.com wrote: >The Garnet and Kyanite trip is close. > >For those interested in poking around in the mountains west of >Clarkia, Idaho for garnet and other metamorphic minerals, my plans are >to start on Monday, Aug. 11. I'll be down to Clarkia about 10:30 that >morning. We can meet where the highway that runs south out of >"downtown" Clarkia meets road 301, about a quarter mile south of town 470022N1161511W. http://terraserverusa.com/map.aspx?t=2&s=12&lon=-116.25306&lat=47.00611&opt=1 If anyone doesn't care to meet there, >drive on 301 east about 5 miles to where road 382 takes off to the >south 470014N1161009W http://terraserverusa.com/map.aspx?t=2&s=12&lon=-116.16917&lat=47.00389&opt=1 There is a small parking area >there. Road 382 is the main route into the Floodwood area (O'Donnell >Creek quartz location and other garnet sites accessible from there). >We'll continue east up road 301. > >I'll be driving a gray van. > >I'll send another notice on Friday or Saturday. > >Regards, > >Lanny From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 3 19:23:06 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sun Aug 3 19:23:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho metamorphics trip Message-ID: Greetings fellow Idaho travelers, Some of you are probably interested in a little convenience information for the Clarkia area, a few have asked. Clarkia is just a little village with a few homes and a bar. I believe the bar serves a little food and has a small convenience store (reportedly not much more than pop and chips, but I haven't checked). There is no motel or restaurant really close. The nearest restaurant is a cafe in Fernwood (10 miles to the north) and there is a grocery store there too. The nearest B&B is further north at St. Maries, about 35 miles. The Forest Service Clarkia Work Center does rent their bunkhouses (Clarkia Work Center Guest Bunkhouse Rental on HWY 3 in Clarkia. (call: 208-245-1134 or 208-245-2531 for rental information). There is no water or facilities in the forest where we will be traveling for the kyanite and garnets, so bring all you need to camp. The weather will probably be warm and sunny during the day, it might be cool and/or rainy. A cold front can bring snow in August. Nights will likely be in the upper 30s to low 40s, but can be colder or warmer. The collecting opportunities include looking for loose crystals in the road and on the ground surface between clumps of grass and shrubs. Digging in a hole in the soil and colluvium and breaking rock. So bring the tools you like to use for these. Other things to do in the area: The Emerald Creek star garnet diggings are near Clarkia and are open daily except for Wednesday and Thursday. Wear clothes that you don't mind getting dirty, the Forest Service provides all tools; visit the Forest Service web site at: http://www.fs.fed.us/ipnf/rec/activities/garnets/ Fossil Bowl is located 2 miles south of Clarkia on the west side of the highway. The digging area is at the north edge of a motocross track. There is a sign at the house where you can pay and get instructions. The fossils are in a layered siltstone, you will need something like an Estwing hoepick or larger pick to dig out pieces of the siltstone and a thin tool to separate the layers, a table knife works well. There are excellent leaf fossils and a few fish and insects. I'll be out of touch for a few days. See you the 11th. Regards, Lanny --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From timeman123 at optonline.net Mon Aug 4 15:11:15 2008 From: timeman123 at optonline.net (ROBERT A SANTEE) Date: Mon Aug 4 15:11:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth Message-ID: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Hi everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth crystals like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it is melted before you poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right standing crystals I am new in doing this any help would be great thanks bob. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Aug 5 20:08:25 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 5 20:08:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The hottest water on Earth Message-ID: "Even Jules Verne did not foresee this one. Deep down at the very bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, geochemist Andrea Koschinsky has found something truly extraordinary: "It's water," she says, "but not as we know it." At over 3 kilometres beneath the surface, sitting atop what could be a huge bubble of magma, it's the hottest water ever found on Earth. The fluid is in a "supercritical" state that has never before been seen in nature. The fluid spews out of two black smokers called Two Boats and Sisters Peak." http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn14456 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Aug 6 21:04:25 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Aug 6 21:04:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perchlorate found in Martian soil Message-ID: New soil chemistry tests by NASA's Phoenix Mars lander have unexpectedly uncovered evidence of perchlorate, a highly reactive salt found naturally on Earth and used in a variety of products, including fertilizer, fireworks and rocket fuel, scientists said Tuesday. The finding has surprised scientists evaluating results from Phoenix, but they denied that the presence of large amounts of the salt would render Mars uninhabitable. "It might even be a positive" indicator for habitability, said Peter Smith, principal investigator on the Phoenix mission. On Earth, perchlorate is found most abundantly in the surface soils of Chile's Atacama Desert, which coincidentally has long served as a Martian stand-in for researchers trying to understand conditions on the Red Planet. See... http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-sci-phoenix6- 2008aug06,0,4986721.story ...for the rest of the story (long url may wrap). I note that Science Fiction writers (Clark, Baxter, etc) have predicted perchlorates in martian soils. Chlorine makes fun minerals. Enjoy! Kreigh P.S., I'm leaving MI for a week's vacation to Denver (to visit my oldest daughter) Friday morning, including a day collecting trip with a list member. I hope my mailbox doesn't fill up with spam before I get back; I'll probably catch you later. From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 04:30:59 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Aug 7 04:31:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Perchlorate found in Martian soil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the issue is a little more complicated. One analyzer, the wet chemistry analyzer (MECA) detected perchlorate, but the TEGA analyzer did not. So maybe it is there and maybe not. BTW if you are interested in behind the scenes info on these planetary missions that blog is an excellent source of information. BK On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > New soil chemistry tests by NASA's Phoenix Mars lander have unexpectedly > uncovered evidence of perchlorate, a highly reactive salt found naturally on > Earth and used in a variety of products, including fertilizer, fireworks and > rocket fuel, scientists said Tuesday. > > The finding has surprised scientists evaluating results from Phoenix, but > they denied that the presence of large amounts of the salt would render Mars > uninhabitable. > > "It might even be a positive" indicator for habitability, said Peter Smith, > principal investigator on the Phoenix mission. > > On Earth, perchlorate is found most abundantly in the surface soils of > Chile's Atacama Desert, which coincidentally has long served as a Martian > stand-in for researchers trying to understand conditions on the Red Planet. > > See... > > http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-sci-phoenix6- > 2008aug06,0,4986721.story > > ...for the rest of the story (long url may wrap). > > I note that Science Fiction writers (Clark, Baxter, etc) have predicted > perchlorates in martian soils. > > Chlorine makes fun minerals. > > Enjoy! > > Kreigh > > > P.S., I'm leaving MI for a week's vacation to Denver (to visit my oldest > daughter) Friday morning, including a day collecting trip with a list > member. I hope my mailbox doesn't fill up with spam before I get back; I'll > probably catch you later. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- -- "The thunderbolt falls on an inch of ground; but the light of it fills the horizon." Ralph Waldo Emerson J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 04:42:36 2008 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Thu Aug 7 04:42:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: Weather map Message-ID: <7aac8040808070442p14f06e0frfcf4b3a78efaaf58@mail.gmail.com> I have been using weather.com for as long as I can remember, and I really liked the new interactive map that they have been using for a little while now... that is, until I stumbled on the new wunderground.com weather map... wow! The map is located at www.wunderground.com/wundermap and is the best thing since sliced bread! I just figured that some on the list would enjoy playing with all the great (free) features... It could be useful for planning fieldtrips, since it is able to display USGS River data, fire data, weather station data and much more... check it out! I don't work for wunderground nor am I a fanboy of wunderground... just something useful to share... Drew --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From drtanuki at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 05:18:23 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Thu Aug 7 05:18:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT/AD: Africa and Asia impact crater pages are up Message-ID: <699873.74434.qm@web53211.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear List, Not necessarily related to rockhounding but perhaps interesting to soe of you. I have created a new webpage on my website, Impact Craters of Asia. Again it uses Google Earth as a basis of display; sorry some of the images are not very good; they are the best Google supplies. I have also added a couple of "potential Xinjiang impact craters" that I located several years ago (at the bottom of the webpage). Got something that is a good potential? I can post it on this webpage IF it is truely a potential impact crater and with you permission. http://meteoritesjapan.com/asiacraters.aspx A previously created page: http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx www.meteoritesjapan.com www.insekijapan.com Any comments or corrections appreciated. Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 12:05:56 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Aug 7 12:06:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Short Course: Minerals, Inclusions & Volcanic Processes Message-ID: <003601c8f8c0$9fceab30$6500a8c0@TheBlackAdder> ****************************************** From: Keith Putirka ****************************************** Dear All, Most of you are probably familiar with the Mineralogical Society of America's (MSA) "Reviews in Mineralogy and Geochemistry" (RiMG) series. Frank Tepley and I are organizing a new short course and volume titled "Minerals, Inclusions and Volcanic Processes". The short course will take place the weekend prior to this year's fall AGU meeting in San Francisco (Dec. 13-14, 2008). The RiMG volume (#69) will be comprised of 16 chapters. Chapter titles (which also serve as short course topics) and authors (and speakers) are listed below. There is a discount for early registration (on or before 9/30/2008), and a very steep discount for student registrants. Further information about the short course and registration forms are available from the MSA web site: http://www.minsocam.org/ (look for "Short Courses Open"). We encourage you to attend the course. Please know that Frank and I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. We hope to see you there. Sincerely, Keith Putirka CSU Fresno (kputirka@csufresno.edu) and Frank Tepley OSU (ftepley@coas.oregonstate.edu) Chapter Titles and Authors (also Short Course Topics and Speakers) 1. Experimental Studies of the Kinetics and Energetics of Magma Crystallization, by Julia Hammer 2. Thermometers and Barometers for Volcanic Systems, by Keith Putirka 3. Thermometers and Barometers in Granitic Systems, by Lawford Anderson, Andrew Barth, Joe Wooden, & Frank Mazdab 4. Fluid Inclusion Thermobarometry as a Tracer for Magmatic Processes, by Thor H. Hansteen & Andreas Kl?gel 5. Petrologic reconstruction of magmatic system variables and processes, by Jon Blundy & Katherine Cashman 6. Magma Ascent Rates, by Malcolm Rutherford 7. Melt Inclusions in Basaltic and Related Volcanic Rocks, by Adam Kent 8. Interpreting H2O and CO2 Contents in Melt Inclusions: Constraints >From Solubility Experiments and Modeling, by Gordon Moore 9. Volatile Abundances in Basaltic Magmas and Their Degassing Paths Tracked by Melt Inclusions, by Nicole Metrich & Paul Wallace 10. Inter- and Intra-Crystalline Isotopic Disequilibria: Techniques and Applications, by Frank Ramos and Frank Tepley 11. Oxygen Isotopes in Mantle and Crustal Magmas, by Ilya Bindeman 12. Uranium-series Crystal Ages, by Kari Cooper & Mary Reid 13. Time scales of magmatic processes from modeling the zoning patterns of crystals, by Fidel Costa, Ralf Dohmen and Sumit Chakraborty 14. Mineral textures and zoning as indicators for open system processes , by Martin Streck 15. Crystal Size Distributions and Mineral Growth, by Pietro Armienti 16. Deciphering Magma Chamber Dynamics From Styles of Compositional Zoning in Erupted Rocks, by Olivier Bachmann & George Bergantz --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jpjunk at mc.net Thu Aug 7 12:56:18 2008 From: jpjunk at mc.net (John Junkroski) Date: Thu Aug 7 13:00:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: Weather map In-Reply-To: <7aac8040808070442p14f06e0frfcf4b3a78efaaf58@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aac8040808070442p14f06e0frfcf4b3a78efaaf58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9AB927DB-F3A7-4BEC-9DC2-98E369E3A5A9@mc.net> I couldn't agree more. I use their animated regional radar display quite often. It's exciting to watch an approaching storm on the screen ( including lightning ) while watching it out the window, especially with the recent tornadoes here in the midwest. Wunderground is one of the very few sites I feel is useful enough to actually support with $$. Same disclaimer... no connection, just a very satisfied user. John On August 7, 2008Thursday, at 6:42 AM, Drew wrote: > I have been using weather.com for as long as I can remember, and I > really > liked the new interactive map that they have been using for a > little while > now... that is, until I stumbled on the new wunderground.com > weather map... > wow! The map is located at www.wunderground.com/wundermap and is > the best > thing since sliced bread! I just figured that some on the list > would enjoy > playing with all the great (free) features... > > It could be useful for planning fieldtrips, since it is able to > display USGS > River data, fire data, weather station data and much more... check > it out! > > I don't work for wunderground nor am I a fanboy of wunderground... > just > something useful to share... > > Drew > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Aug 7 14:10:44 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:13:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: Weather map In-Reply-To: <9AB927DB-F3A7-4BEC-9DC2-98E369E3A5A9@mc.net> References: <7aac8040808070442p14f06e0frfcf4b3a78efaaf58@mail.gmail.com> <9AB927DB-F3A7-4BEC-9DC2-98E369E3A5A9@mc.net> Message-ID: Me too. About the only internet site we actually pay to be members to get full access. W. U. is the BEST. It is phenomenal during hurricane season here on the Gulf Coast. And the WunderPhotos submitted by members are exceptional. Same disclaimer... Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: jpjunk@mc.net> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] OT: Weather map> > I couldn't agree more. I use their animated regional radar display > quite often.> > It's exciting to watch an approaching storm on the screen ( including > lightning ) while watching it out the window,> especially with the recent tornadoes here in the midwest.> Wunderground is one of the very few sites I feel is useful enough to > actually support with $$.> > Same disclaimer... no connection, just a very satisfied user.> > John> > On August 7, 2008Thursday, at 6:42 AM, Drew wrote:> > > I have been using weather.com for as long as I can remember, and I > > really> > liked the new interactive map that they have been using for a > > little while> > now... that is, until I stumbled on the new wunderground.com > > weather map...> > wow! The map is located at www.wunderground.com/wundermap and is > > the best> > thing since sliced bread! I just figured that some on the list > > would enjoy> > playing with all the great (free) features...> >> > It could be useful for planning fieldtrips, since it is able to > > display USGS> > River data, fire data, weather station data and much more... check > > it out!> >> > I don't work for wunderground nor am I a fanboy of wunderground... > > just> > something useful to share...> >> > Drew> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From askecpa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 14:59:21 2008 From: askecpa at yahoo.com (Jim Askeland) Date: Thu Aug 7 14:59:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new guy Message-ID: <227154.44782.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just subscribed today and look forward to future rock talk.? I studied geology in the 70's and had no other goals than to be a fulltime rockhound.? By the time I got my MS, I was enticed to the oil industry as a geophysicist and was office-bound thereafter.? I rockhounded remotely, looking for slabs of oil-bearing sandstones via their seismic reflection signal.? I left the oil patch in 1991 when oil dropped to $18 per barrel.? I worked and retired at the US Postal Service while retraining as an accountant.? I've often joked about being indecisive about what I wanted to be when I grow up, since I've been an engineer, a soldier, a geophysicist, postal worker and a CPA.? Now I'm looking forward to retirement and can say that I want to be a fulltime rockhound ( doesn't pay much, but is a lot more fun than my other pursuits!) I'm getting my granddaughter interested in the earth sciences and plan to take her on numerous field trips in the near future. ? Jim A, Jonesboro, Arkansas --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Aug 7 16:07:00 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Aug 7 16:08:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new guy References: <227154.44782.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96B758477D694EFA930A3D8855AC9534@Notebook> Welcome New Guy Jim! You've found a group of good folks. John From VevaBailey at aol.com Thu Aug 7 19:33:03 2008 From: VevaBailey at aol.com (VevaBailey@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 7 19:33:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new guy Message-ID: Welcome Jim!! I am one of the people hoping to pick ya'lls minds and knowledge. I have learned a lot and hope to keep learning. Veva In a message dated 8/7/2008 4:09:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, john@pandemoniumgraphics.com writes: Welcome New Guy Jim! You've found a group of good folks. John -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Aug 7 19:41:16 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Aug 7 19:44:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Marshall Auction catalog Message-ID: Nice on-line auction catalog with lots of pretty minerals. I'm not bidding on a thing - just admiring the photos! http://s7d2.scene7.com/s7ondemand/brochure/flash_brochure.jsp?company=Stacks&sku=Aug08Marshall&config=Aug08Marshall&zoomwidth=1025&zoomheight=750 Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu Aug 7 20:52:15 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu Aug 7 20:52:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 and others . . . In-Reply-To: <005601c8f909$091174e0$2e01a8c0@GlennWimpee> References: <005601c8f909$091174e0$2e01a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: These greenies want the government to own and control everything and end all freedoms. I like clean air and clean water, as well as private and public property. The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 H.R. 554 . Referral to the Committees on Agriculture and the Judiciary extended for a period ending not later than September 12, 2008. STILL TIME TO CONTACT YOUR STATE REPRESENTIVES AND TELL THEM THAT THIS IS A "BAD" BILL. Below are several articles about the Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554. There is also a link to the actual text of the bill that is currently before the US House of Representatives. If this legislation passes, it will only be a matter of time before invertebrate and plant fossil collecting will be as extinct as the dinosaur fossils which we are no longer allowed to collect. What we have to do is to make sure that our legislators know that this bill, as written, is bad and that provisions for the amateur fossil collector's needs are preserved and protected just as much as the fossil remains we are trying to collect. Each and every one of us need to write or call our state committee members who are reviewing this bill to voice our ideas, concerns and opinions. Please read, be informed and take action. Take action as individuals or formulate a club response, but act very soon or it may be too late to have any affect on the outcome of this legislation. HR554 http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.554: July 26, 2008 - by John M. Wright, AFMS Conservation & Legislation Chairman The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554, was resurrected again earlier this year and approved by the Agriculture and Judiciary committees. This bill is on a ?fast track? for passage and will most likely be voted on by the House of Representatives shortly after their return from summer recess which means September or October unless there is some unforeseen delay. It appears that a compromise has also been reached for Senate approval. Two other legislative items of concern this year that are currently being considered by the House of Representatives are HR 2016, National Landscape Conservation System and HR 5610, Designation of Wilderness Areas. If passed, these bills will essentially place 26 million acres of public lands controlled by BLM under a ?National Park? type system which will eliminate or severely limit any type of recreational mining. The BLM lands that are designated as Wilderness Areas would for all practical purposes be ?off limits? for most any type of recreational activity. Agriculture Committee Members: (from the southeast) Collin C. Peterson, MN, Chairman Mike McIntyre, NC Bob Etheridge, NC David Scott, GA Jim Marshall, GA John Barrow, GA Tim Mahoney, FL Travis W. Childers, MS Republican MinorityBob Goodlatte, VA, Ranking Minority Member Terry Everett, AL Robin Hayes, NC Mike Rogers, AL Charles W. Boustany, Jr., LA Virginia Foxx, NC QUESTION: " I thought collecting vertebrate fossils was *already* prohibited.. ." This is actually correct.What isn't being made clear is that HR 554 (in its current wording) is the next step towards making INVERTEBRATE fossil collecting prohibited WITHOUT A PERMIT.In its current wording, this H.R. 554 will authorize the Secretary of the Interior to decide which INVERTEBRATE fossil locality requires a permit for "casual collecting". Down deeper in H.R. 554 this "authority" becomes even more strongly worded:SEC. 5. COLLECTION OF PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES.(a) Permit Requirement-(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this Act, a paleontological resource may not be collected from Federal lands without a permit issued under this Act by the Secretary.(2) CASUAL COLLECTING EXCEPTION- The Secretary MAY ALLOW casual collecting without a permit on Federal lands controlled or administered by the Bureau of Land Management, the Bureau of Reclamation, and the Forest Service, where such collection is consistent with the laws governing the management of those Federal lands and this Act.------------ -------So, you're right. If we already have rules which prohibit the collection of vertebrate fossils, then why do we need this H.R. 554 OTHER THAN TO START THE REGULATION OF CASUAL COLLECTING OF ANY FOSSIL.Keep that in mind when you write to your US representative.Forget about collecting vertebrate fossils. It's already prohibited. Those horses have already left the barn. What you are fighting for now is to KEEP your right to casually collect plant and invertebrate fossils on public lands. (Petrified wood IS a fossil.) "We don't need no stinkin' permits!"Those will only be given to researchers, anyway. So, we're still talking about an eventual prohibition. That's why H.R. 554 must be stopped." John M. Wright, RPGAFMS Conservation & Legislation ChairmanHR 554 Resurrected Again!The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554, has once again this year been resurrected, reviewed, and approved by the Agriculture Committee. It is now currently under review by the House Judiciary Committee and expected to clear that committee by July 18, 2008. This bill is on a ?fast track? for passage and will most likely be voted on by the House of Representatives shortly after their return from summer recess which means September or October unless there is some unforeseen delay. I fully expect it to be quickly passed by voice vote, or quietly tacked onto some other major piece of legislation. It appears that a compromise has also been reached for Senate approval. While you may not agree with my assessment of this bill, it is important that we let all our members know that it is back on the table so to speak and hopefully they will take appropriate actionI want to emphatically remind you again, this is a dangerous piece of legislation that is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. The bill is so vague and open to interpretation that you can be arrested, have your vehicle impounded, and be tried for driving on a federal highway with a small rock wedged in the tread of your tires. As I said before, there is no requirement for the arresting officer to be knowledgeable regarding fossils or rocks, the burden of proof is your problem. I wonder what happened to innocent until proven guilty. Does the gravel in your driveway contain fossils? Your neighbor can turn you in for a nice reward. Secret ?Area 51? type sites for paleontologist; sounds ridiculous, but unfortunately this bill authorizes it. Who is going to benefit from this bill? A few inconsiderate paranoid college professors and museum curators that seriously lack the competence to compete in a free market society. Actually, this group is really all about money in the form of job security, grants, books, articles, TV specials, and speaking fees. The fact that more than 90% of the major fossil discoveries are made by amateurs causes symptoms suffered by these ?professionals? very similar to a severe case of hemorrhoids. ?We the people? according to the Constitution own the federal lands and support them with our tax dollars, so why should a small special interest group be given exclusive rights to our lands? The justification used by paleontologist is to preserve rare fossils for future generations, but aren?t these the same scholars that warn us that the catastrophic circumstances that led to the demise of the dinosaurs and many other species in the past is going to happen again. They say ?it?s not a matter of if, but when,? so according to their own philosophy the prospects for any future generations are not very good.They say that rockhounds (informed amateurs in their vernacular) destroy sites and remove critical evidence needed by the scientific community. Well, I recently spent several weeks reviewing paleontological articles and publications plus numerous other well known scientific publications covering a span of about 50 years and while I?m sure there must be many references to cleaning up excavation sites, I did not find any. However, I easily found ?hundreds? of articles and references about leaving a site ?as good as or better than found? in the American Federation of Mineralogical Societies? monthly Newsletters, the seven area Federations of Mineralogical Societies? monthly newsletters, and the numerous local Gem & Mineral Societies? monthly bulletins. It sure seems to me like rockhounds (whoops ? informed amateurs) are a little more concerned about conservation and protecting the environment than the scientific community.Once the scholars and curators acquire ?our? fossils from ?our? lands, they will be tucked away in storage areas at universities supported by ?our? tax dollars, to be studied by students who we as parents ?pay? tuitions for, and taught by professors whose salaries are paid by ?our? dollars and tuition fees. The museums built with ?our? tax dollars and ?our? donations will have experts whose salaries are paid by ?our? taxes and donations prepare the fossils ?owned by us? for display so ?we the public? can see them for a ?fee.? Talk about a stacked deck! A lot of politicians have benefited by riding on the environmental bandwagon, but with the price of gasoline skyrocketing, travel, food, utilities, building materials, and almost everything else going up astronomically, being ?Green? is becoming more of a political liability than an asset. Someday, they may even come to the realization that people who spend their lives studying petrified bones and dinosaur poop don?t add a lot to the economy.Another important product of this legislation will be to further enhance the black-market trade. It?s already a lucrative business and this bill will just increase the price of American fossils overseas. With people, merchandise, and tons of narcotics being smuggled freely across our porous borders, moving fossils out of the country shouldn?t pose much of a problem.It is ironic, but we spend billions of dollars helping other nations gain independence, become democracies, and their people enjoy the benefits of freedom. Unfortunately, the same politicians that appropriate our tax dollars for this noble purpose turn right around and help implement policies to accommodate special interest groups that place far more restrictions on our freedoms here at home.Time is short to stop or change HR 554. About the only alternative we have left at this stage is to call our representatives and tell them how we feel about this bill. I know that many of you are leery when it comes to talking directly with dignitaries and that it may be difficult for you to contact your Representatives or Senators to talk with them in person. Most of the members of congress maintain offices in their districts and the staff members working for them at these offices are local people. If you call and talk with a member their staff, you will normally find them to be very friendly, courteous and easy to talk with because they want your vote and support. Most importantly, they pass information received from constituents on to their boss. If they get several calls, a red flag, so to speak, goes up indicating areas of importance. Often this is a better way to get the attention of your Representative as he or she wants and needs every vote to stay in office. Constituents usually are more influential than anyone else when dealing with legislators.I might add a note of interest at this point: our club sends a courtesy copy of our monthly bulletin (which includes my AFMS & SFMS articles) to both our U.S. Senators and our Representative. We have been told that it is well received and appreciated by them. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 09:21:21 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri Aug 8 09:24:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <613754.97280.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The monthly update to the price lists of microminerals on www.sauktown.com will be posted later today. There is a lot of material from Laurium (Laurion, Lavrion) Greece, Carlosturanite from the type locality in Italy and Cabalzarite from the type locality in Switzerland. The Dryer list has Axinite-(Mn) and Manganbabingtonite from the Iron Cap Mine in Arizona, Phosphosiderite and Ferrostrunzite from Mullica Hill, NJ and a nice zoned Vanadinite from San Carlos, Mexico. Hope you find something you like! Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com orders@sauktown.com ? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kugeln at peoplepc.com Fri Aug 8 13:50:08 2008 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:51:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 and others . . . References: <005601c8f909$091174e0$2e01a8c0@GlennWimpee> Message-ID: <000201c8f998$918c5ee0$e1adf304@JOHN> Please keep political opinions off the list. It's one thing to oppose restrictive laws regarding paleontological finds, quite another to offer global condemnations. Don't need that! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 and others . . . These greenies want the government to own and control everything and end all freedoms. I like clean air and clean water, as well as private and public property. The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 H.R. 554 . Referral to the Committees on Agriculture and the Judiciary extended for a period ending not later than September 12, 2008. STILL TIME TO CONTACT YOUR STATE REPRESENTIVES AND TELL THEM THAT THIS IS A "BAD" BILL. Below are several articles about the Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554. There is also a link to the actual text of the bill that is currently before the US House of Representatives. If this legislation passes, it will only be a matter of time before invertebrate and plant fossil collecting will be as extinct as the dinosaur fossils which we are no longer allowed to collect. What we have to do is to make sure that our legislators know that this bill, as written, is bad and that provisions for the amateur fossil collector's needs are preserved and protected just as much as the fossil remains we are trying to collect. Each and every one of us need to write or call our state committee members who are reviewing this bill to voice our ideas, concerns and opinions. Please read, be informed and take action. Take action as individuals or formulate a club response, but act very soon or it may be too late to have any affect on the outcome of this legislation. HR554 http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.554: July 26, 2008 - by John M. Wright, AFMS Conservation & Legislation Chairman The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554, was resurrected again earlier this year and approved by the Agriculture and Judiciary committees. This bill is on a ?fast track? for passage and will most likely be voted on by the House of Representatives shortly after their return from summer recess which means September or October unless there is some unforeseen delay. It appears that a compromise has also been reached for Senate approval. Two other legislative items of concern this year that are currently being considered by the House of Representatives are HR 2016, National Landscape Conservation System and HR 5610, Designation of Wilderness Areas. If passed, these bills will essentially place 26 million acres of public lands controlled by BLM under a ?National Park? type system which will eliminate or severely limit any type of recreational mining. The BLM lands that are designated as Wilderness Areas would for all practical purposes be ?off limits? for most any type of recreational activity. Agriculture Committee Members: (from the southeast) Collin C. Peterson, MN, Chairman Mike McIntyre, NC Bob Etheridge, NC David Scott, GA Jim Marshall, GA John Barrow, GA Tim Mahoney, FL Travis W. Childers, MS Republican MinorityBob Goodlatte, VA, Ranking Minority Member Terry Everett, AL Robin Hayes, NC Mike Rogers, AL Charles W. Boustany, Jr., LA Virginia Foxx, NC QUESTION: " I thought collecting vertebrate fossils was *already* prohibited.. ." This is actually correct.What isn't being made clear is that HR 554 (in its current wording) is the next step towards making INVERTEBRATE fossil collecting prohibited WITHOUT A PERMIT.In its current wording, this H.R. 554 will authorize the Secretary of the Interior to decide which INVERTEBRATE fossil locality requires a permit for "casual collecting". Down deeper in H.R. 554 this "authority" becomes even more strongly worded:SEC. 5. COLLECTION OF PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES.(a) Permit Requirement-(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this Act, a paleontological resource may not be collected from Federal lands without a permit issued under this Act by the Secretary.(2) CASUAL COLLECTING EXCEPTION- The Secretary MAY ALLOW casual collecting without a permit on Federal lands controlled or administered by the Bureau of Land Management, the Bureau of Reclamation, and the Forest Service, where such collection is consistent with the laws governing the management of those Federal lands and this Act.------------ -------So, you're right. If we already have rules which prohibit the collection of vertebrate fossils, then why do we need this H.R. 554 OTHER THAN TO START THE REGULATION OF CASUAL COLLECTING OF ANY FOSSIL.Keep that in mind when you write to your US representative.Forget about collecting vertebrate fossils. It's already prohibited. Those horses have already left the barn. What you are fighting for now is to KEEP your right to casually collect plant and invertebrate fossils on public lands. (Petrified wood IS a fossil.) "We don't need no stinkin' permits!"Those will only be given to researchers, anyway. So, we're still talking about an eventual prohibition. That's why H.R. 554 must be stopped." John M. Wright, RPGAFMS Conservation & Legislation ChairmanHR 554 Resurrected Again!The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554, has once again this year been resurrected, reviewed, and approved by the Agriculture Committee. It is now currently under review by the House Judiciary Committee and expected to clear that committee by July 18, 2008. This bill is on a ?fast track? for passage and will most likely be voted on by the House of Representatives shortly after their return from summer recess which means September or October unless there is some unforeseen delay. I fully expect it to be quickly passed by voice vote, or quietly tacked onto some other major piece of legislation. It appears that a compromise has also been reached for Senate approval. While you may not agree with my assessment of this bill, it is important that we let all our members know that it is back on the table so to speak and hopefully they will take appropriate actionI want to emphatically remind you again, this is a dangerous piece of legislation that is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. The bill is so vague and open to interpretation that you can be arrested, have your vehicle impounded, and be tried for driving on a federal highway with a small rock wedged in the tread of your tires. As I said before, there is no requirement for the arresting officer to be knowledgeable regarding fossils or rocks, the burden of proof is your problem. I wonder what happened to innocent until proven guilty. Does the gravel in your driveway contain fossils? Your neighbor can turn you in for a nice reward. Secret ?Area 51? type sites for paleontologist; sounds ridiculous, but unfortunately this bill authorizes it. Who is going to benefit from this bill? A few inconsiderate paranoid college professors and museum curators that seriously lack the competence to compete in a free market society. Actually, this group is really all about money in the form of job security, grants, books, articles, TV specials, and speaking fees. The fact that more than 90% of the major fossil discoveries are made by amateurs causes symptoms suffered by these ?professionals? very similar to a severe case of hemorrhoids. ?We the people? according to the Constitution own the federal lands and support them with our tax dollars, so why should a small special interest group be given exclusive rights to our lands? The justification used by paleontologist is to preserve rare fossils for future generations, but aren?t these the same scholars that warn us that the catastrophic circumstances that led to the demise of the dinosaurs and many other species in the past is going to happen again. They say ?it?s not a matter of if, but when,? so according to their own philosophy the prospects for any future generations are not very good.They say that rockhounds (informed amateurs in their vernacular) destroy sites and remove critical evidence needed by the scientific community. Well, I recently spent several weeks reviewing paleontological articles and publications plus numerous other well known scientific publications covering a span of about 50 years and while I?m sure there must be many references to cleaning up excavation sites, I did not find any. However, I easily found ?hundreds? of articles and references about leaving a site ?as good as or better than found? in the American Federation of Mineralogical Societies? monthly Newsletters, the seven area Federations of Mineralogical Societies? monthly newsletters, and the numerous local Gem & Mineral Societies? monthly bulletins. It sure seems to me like rockhounds (whoops ? informed amateurs) are a little more concerned about conservation and protecting the environment than the scientific community.Once the scholars and curators acquire ?our? fossils from ?our? lands, they will be tucked away in storage areas at universities supported by ?our? tax dollars, to be studied by students who we as parents ?pay? tuitions for, and taught by professors whose salaries are paid by ?our? dollars and tuition fees. The museums built with ?our? tax dollars and ?our? donations will have experts whose salaries are paid by ?our? taxes and donations prepare the fossils ?owned by us? for display so ?we the public? can see them for a ?fee.? Talk about a stacked deck! A lot of politicians have benefited by riding on the environmental bandwagon, but with the price of gasoline skyrocketing, travel, food, utilities, building materials, and almost everything else going up astronomically, being ?Green? is becoming more of a political liability than an asset. Someday, they may even come to the realization that people who spend their lives studying petrified bones and dinosaur poop don?t add a lot to the economy.Another important product of this legislation will be to further enhance the black-market trade. It?s already a lucrative business and this bill will just increase the price of American fossils overseas. With people, merchandise, and tons of narcotics being smuggled freely across our porous borders, moving fossils out of the country shouldn?t pose much of a problem.It is ironic, but we spend billions of dollars helping other nations gain independence, become democracies, and their people enjoy the benefits of freedom. Unfortunately, the same politicians that appropriate our tax dollars for this noble purpose turn right around and help implement policies to accommodate special interest groups that place far more restrictions on our freedoms here at home.Time is short to stop or change HR 554. About the only alternative we have left at this stage is to call our representatives and tell them how we feel about this bill. I know that many of you are leery when it comes to talking directly with dignitaries and that it may be difficult for you to contact your Representatives or Senators to talk with them in person. Most of the members of congress maintain offices in their districts and the staff members working for them at these offices are local people. If you call and talk with a member their staff, you will normally find them to be very friendly, courteous and easy to talk with because they want your vote and support. Most importantly, they pass information received from constituents on to their boss. If they get several calls, a red flag, so to speak, goes up indicating areas of importance. Often this is a better way to get the attention of your Representative as he or she wants and needs every vote to stay in office. Constituents usually are more influential than anyone else when dealing with legislators.I might add a note of interest at this point: our club sends a courtesy copy of our monthly bulletin (which includes my AFMS & SFMS articles) to both our U.S. Senators and our Representative. We have been told that it is well received and appreciated by them. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Aug 8 15:20:51 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:21:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 and others . . . In-Reply-To: <000201c8f998$918c5ee0$e1adf304@JOHN> References: <005601c8f909$091174e0$2e01a8c0@GlennWimpee> <000201c8f998$918c5ee0$e1adf304@JOHN> Message-ID: <000f01c8f9a5$04599940$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Greenies are people from Mars, aren't they? In the south of Belgium, the Walloon part, you get fined for turning a stone. One the one hand that preserves nature (of which there's not enough left here already), on the other hand it's downright silly. If people could be persuaded to be more reasonable than greedy and "reason" could be quantized to establish the needed measure of "reasonability" we would all be happy green rockhounds. We wouldn't need such rules then... Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens > kugeln@peoplepc.com > Verzonden: vrijdag 8 augustus 2008 21:50 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] FW: The Paleontological Resources > Preservation Act,HR554 and others . . . > > Please keep political opinions off the list. It's one thing > to oppose restrictive laws regarding paleontological finds, > quite another to offer global condemnations. Don't need that! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Wimpee" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:52 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] FW: The Paleontological Resources > Preservation Act, > HR554 and others . . . > > > These greenies want the government to own and control > everything and end all freedoms. > > I like clean air and clean water, as well as private and > public property. > > > > > > The Paleontological Resources Preservation Act, HR554 H.R. > 554 . Referral to the Committees on Agriculture and the > Judiciary extended for a period ending not later than > September 12, 2008. > STILL TIME TO CONTACT YOUR STATE REPRESENTIVES AND TELL THEM > THAT THIS IS A "BAD" BILL. > Below are several articles about the Paleontological > Resources Preservation Act, HR554. There is also a link to > the actual text of the bill that is currently before the US > House of Representatives. If this legislation passes, it will > only be a matter of time before invertebrate and plant fossil > collecting will be as extinct as the dinosaur fossils which > we are no longer allowed to collect. What we have to do is to > make sure that our legislators know that this bill, as > written, is bad and that provisions for the amateur fossil > collector's needs are preserved and protected just as much as > the fossil remains we are trying to collect. Each and every > one of us need to write or call our state committee members > who are reviewing this bill to voice our ideas, concerns and opinions. > Please read, be informed and take action. Take action as > individuals or formulate a club response, but act very soon > or it may be too late to have any affect on the outcome of > this legislation. > > HR554 http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.554: > July 26, 2008 - by John M. Wright, AFMS Conservation & > Legislation Chairman The Paleontological Resources > Preservation Act, HR554, was resurrected again earlier this > year and approved by the Agriculture and Judiciary committees. > This bill is on a "fast track" for passage and will most > likely be voted on by the House of Representatives shortly > after their return from summer recess which means September > or October unless there is some unforeseen delay. It appears > that a compromise has also been reached for Senate approval. > Two other legislative items of concern this year that are > currently being considered by the House of Representatives > are HR 2016, National Landscape Conservation System and HR > 5610, Designation of Wilderness Areas. If passed, these > bills will essentially place 26 million acres of public lands > controlled by BLM under a "National Park" type system which > will eliminate or severely limit any type of recreational > mining. The BLM lands that are designated as Wilderness > Areas would for all practical purposes be "off limits" for > most any type of recreational activity. > > > > Agriculture Committee Members: (from the southeast) Collin C. > Peterson, MN, Chairman Mike McIntyre, NC Bob Etheridge, NC > David Scott, GA Jim Marshall, GA John Barrow, GA Tim Mahoney, > FL Travis W. Childers, MS Republican MinorityBob Goodlatte, > VA, Ranking Minority Member Terry Everett, AL Robin Hayes, > NC Mike Rogers, AL Charles W. Boustany, Jr., LA Virginia Foxx, NC > > > > > > QUESTION: " I thought collecting vertebrate fossils was > *already* prohibited.. ." > This is actually correct.What isn't being made clear is that > HR 554 (in its current wording) is the next step towards > making INVERTEBRATE fossil collecting prohibited WITHOUT A > PERMIT.In its current wording, this H.R. 554 will authorize > the Secretary of the Interior to decide which INVERTEBRATE > fossil locality requires a permit for "casual collecting". > Down deeper in H.R. 554 this "authority" becomes even more > strongly worded:SEC. 5. > COLLECTION OF PALEONTOLOGICAL RESOURCES.(a) Permit Requirement-(1) IN > GENERAL- Except as provided in this Act, a paleontological > resource may not be collected from Federal lands without a > permit issued under this Act by the Secretary.(2) CASUAL > COLLECTING EXCEPTION- The Secretary MAY ALLOW casual > collecting without a permit on Federal lands controlled or > administered by the Bureau of Land Management, the Bureau of > Reclamation, and the Forest Service, where such collection is > consistent with the laws governing the management of those > Federal lands and this > Act.------------ -------So, you're right. If we already have > rules which prohibit the collection of vertebrate fossils, > then why do we need this H.R. > 554 OTHER THAN TO START THE REGULATION OF CASUAL COLLECTING > OF ANY FOSSIL.Keep that in mind when you write to your US > representative.Forget about collecting vertebrate fossils. > It's already prohibited. Those horses have already left the > barn. What you are fighting for now is to KEEP your right to > casually collect plant and invertebrate fossils on public lands. > (Petrified wood IS a fossil.) > "We don't need no stinkin' permits!"Those will only be given > to researchers, anyway. So, we're still talking about an > eventual prohibition. > That's why H.R. 554 must be stopped." > > > > > John M. Wright, RPGAFMS Conservation & Legislation ChairmanHR > 554 Resurrected Again!The Paleontological Resources > Preservation Act, HR554, has once again this year been > resurrected, reviewed, and approved by the Agriculture > Committee. It is now currently under review by the House > Judiciary Committee and expected to clear that committee by > July 18, 2008. > This bill is on a "fast track" for passage and will most > likely be voted on by the House of Representatives shortly > after their return from summer recess which means September > or October unless there is some unforeseen delay. I fully > expect it to be quickly passed by voice vote, or quietly > tacked onto some other major piece of legislation. It appears > that a compromise has also been reached for Senate approval. > While you may not agree with my assessment of this bill, it > is important that we let all our members know that it is back > on the table so to speak and hopefully they will take > appropriate actionI want to emphatically remind you again, > this is a dangerous piece of legislation that is going to > hurt a lot of innocent people. The bill is so vague and open > to interpretation that you can be arrested, have your vehicle > impounded, and be tried for driving on a federal highway with > a small rock wedged in the tread of your tires. As I said > before, there is no requirement for the arresting officer to > be knowledgeable regarding fossils or rocks, the burden of > proof is your problem. I wonder what happened to innocent > until proven guilty. Does the gravel in your driveway contain > fossils? Your neighbor can turn you in for a nice reward. > Secret "Area 51" type sites for paleontologist; sounds > ridiculous, but unfortunately this bill authorizes it. Who is > going to benefit from this bill? A few inconsiderate paranoid > college professors and museum curators that seriously lack > the competence to compete in a free market society. Actually, > this group is really all about money in the form of job > security, grants, books, articles, TV specials, and speaking fees. > The fact that more than 90% of the major fossil discoveries > are made by amateurs causes symptoms suffered by these > "professionals" very similar to a severe case of hemorrhoids. > "We the people" according to the Constitution own the federal > lands and support them with our tax dollars, so why should a > small special interest group be given exclusive rights to our > lands? The justification used by paleontologist is to > preserve rare fossils for future generations, but aren't > these the same scholars that warn us that the catastrophic > circumstances that led to the demise of the dinosaurs and > many other species in the past is going to happen again. They > say "it's not a matter of if, but when," so according to > their own philosophy the prospects for any future generations > are not very good.They say that rockhounds (informed amateurs > in their vernacular) destroy sites and remove critical > evidence needed by the scientific community. Well, I recently > spent several weeks reviewing paleontological articles and > publications plus numerous other well known scientific > publications covering a span of about 50 years and while I'm > sure there must be many references to cleaning up excavation > sites, I did not find any. However, I easily found "hundreds" > of articles and references about leaving a site "as good as > or better than found" in the American Federation of > Mineralogical Societies' monthly Newsletters, the seven area > Federations of Mineralogical Societies' monthly newsletters, > and the numerous local Gem & Mineral Societies' monthly > bulletins. It sure seems to me like rockhounds (whoops - > informed amateurs) are a little more concerned about > conservation and protecting the environment than the > scientific community.Once the scholars and curators acquire > "our" fossils from "our" lands, they will be tucked away in > storage areas at universities supported by "our" tax dollars, > to be studied by students who we as parents "pay" tuitions > for, and taught by professors whose salaries are paid by > "our" dollars and tuition fees. The museums built with "our" > tax dollars and "our" donations will have experts whose > salaries are paid by "our" taxes and donations prepare the > fossils "owned by us" for display so "we the public" can see > them for a "fee." Talk about a stacked deck! A lot of > politicians have benefited by riding on the environmental > bandwagon, but with the price of gasoline skyrocketing, > travel, food, utilities, building materials, and almost > everything else going up astronomically, being "Green" > is becoming more of a political liability than an asset. > Someday, they may even come to the realization that people > who spend their lives studying petrified bones and dinosaur > poop don't add a lot to the economy.Another important product > of this legislation will be to further enhance the > black-market trade. It's already a lucrative business and > this bill will just increase the price of American fossils > overseas. With people, merchandise, and tons of narcotics > being smuggled freely across our porous borders, moving > fossils out of the country shouldn't pose much of a > problem.It is ironic, but we spend billions of dollars > helping other nations gain independence, become democracies, > and their people enjoy the benefits of freedom. > Unfortunately, the same politicians that appropriate our tax > dollars for this noble purpose turn right around and help > implement policies to accommodate special interest groups > that place far more restrictions on our freedoms here at > home.Time is short to stop or change HR 554. About the only > alternative we have left at this stage is to call our > representatives and tell them how we feel about this bill. I > know that many of you are leery when it comes to talking > directly with dignitaries and that it may be difficult for > you to contact your Representatives or Senators to talk with > them in person. Most of the members of congress maintain > offices in their districts and the staff members working for > them at these offices are local people. If you call and talk > with a member their staff, you will normally find them to be > very friendly, courteous and easy to talk with because they > want your vote and support. Most importantly, they pass > information received from constituents on to their boss. If > they get several calls, a red flag, so to speak, goes up > indicating areas of importance. Often this is a better way to > get the attention of your Representative as he or she wants > and needs every vote to stay in office. Constituents usually > are more influential than anyone else when dealing with > legislators.I might add a note of interest at this point: our > club sends a courtesy copy of our monthly bulletin (which > includes my AFMS & SFMS articles) to both our U.S. Senators > and our Representative. We have been told that it is well > received and appreciated by them. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 9 09:49:23 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sat Aug 9 09:49:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert Message-ID: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> This is it, only a couple days to go. For those who aren't on the road now, this is a final message that the trip into the metamorphics starts Monday at 10:30 at the intersection of the road through Clarkia with Forest Road 301 about 1/2 mile south of town. See you there. Lanny From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Aug 9 10:00:30 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Aug 9 10:01:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Also note that the Perseid meteor shower will peak Tuesday morning. No light pollution up there! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > This is it, only a couple days to go. For those who aren't on the road > now, this is a final message that the trip into the metamorphics starts > Monday at 10:30 at the intersection of the road through Clarkia with > Forest Road 301 about 1/2 mile south of town. > > See you there. > > Lanny From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Aug 9 18:02:10 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Aug 9 18:02:10 2008 Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein> Actually John that is not quite true. The moon will be in a gibbous phase and its glow will obliterate all but the brightest Perseid meteors. If the normal rate is 60 per hour, expect to see less than half that number because of moonlight. People often ask what direction do I look to see the Perseids. The correct answer is "straight up." If you gaze to the northeast, you will see short trails as they are coming more in your direction. If you gaze toward the south, you will see longer trails as they sail high above. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > Also note that the Perseid meteor shower will peak Tuesday morning. No > light pollution up there! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lanny R" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:49 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > > >> This is it, only a couple days to go. For those who aren't on the road >> now, this is a final message that the trip into the metamorphics starts >> Monday at 10:30 at the intersection of the road through Clarkia with >> Forest Road 301 about 1/2 mile south of town. >> >> See you there. >> >> Lanny > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Aug 9 18:30:24 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sat Aug 9 18:34:29 2008 Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> <362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein> Message-ID: <002701c8fa88$b2ae1af0$0600a8c0@Montana> Ahh, we didn't take the moon into consideration. (My working hours are so wacky for the last two months, I have no idea where the moon is - lol). But overall for any star event, this is a great place to see it. St. Maries, with a population of four-thousand-ish is about...12 miles away, "as the crow flies"? At least from our house; further from where they rockhounding trip will take place. (There isn't even a single stoplight in the entire county.) Coeur d'Alene and Moscow are about 65 miles away by road, and about 40 miles away as-the-crow-flies...those are the only major sources of light pollution "nearby". Less than half that number of Perseids viewed is still tons better than what we saw when we lived in Portland - lol. Alas, I most likely won't be there...all those rockhounders a few miles away, but I think I'll be stuck with work, this being my busy month. (Sheesh, they will be about 10-15 miles from our house! lol) I'm encouraging John to show up, though, and if time permits (and I find my lost glasses) there's an outside chance I may be there as well. If not, at least I know I don't need to get up in the middle of the night to watch the Perseids! lol And, if one of those not-so-nice Idaho summer thunderstorms should happen to hit (which are NOT in the weather forecast for the time of the trip, btw, and they are pretty good at guessing), the attenders are welcome to visit us in our old, funky, off-grid cabin. :P Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > Actually John that is not quite true. The moon will be in a gibbous phase > and its glow will obliterate all but the brightest Perseid meteors. If the > normal rate is 60 per hour, expect to see less than half that number > because of moonlight. > > People often ask what direction do I look to see the Perseids. The correct > answer is "straight up." If you gaze to the northeast, you will see short > trails as they are coming more in your direction. If you gaze toward the > south, you will see longer trails as they sail high above. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Siebel" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > > >> Also note that the Perseid meteor shower will peak Tuesday morning. No >> light pollution up there! >> >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lanny R" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:49 AM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert >> >> >>> This is it, only a couple days to go. For those who aren't on the road >>> now, this is a final message that the trip into the metamorphics starts >>> Monday at 10:30 at the intersection of the road through Clarkia with >>> Forest Road 301 about 1/2 mile south of town. >>> >>> See you there. >>> >>> Lanny >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Aug 9 20:16:28 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:21:10 2008 Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> <362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > Actually John that is not quite true. The moon will be in a gibbous phase > and its glow will obliterate all but the brightest Perseid meteors. If the > normal rate is 60 per hour, expect to see less than half that number > because of moonlight. > > People often ask what direction do I look to see the Perseids. The correct > answer is "straight up." If you gaze to the northeast, you will see short > trails as they are coming more in your direction. If you gaze toward the > south, you will see longer trails as they sail high above. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Siebel" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > > >> Also note that the Perseid meteor shower will peak Tuesday morning. No >> light pollution up there! >> >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lanny R" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:49 AM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert >> >> >>> This is it, only a couple days to go. For those who aren't on the road >>> now, this is a final message that the trip into the metamorphics starts >>> Monday at 10:30 at the intersection of the road through Clarkia with >>> Forest Road 301 about 1/2 mile south of town. >>> >>> See you there. >>> >>> Lanny >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Aug 9 20:34:35 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Aug 9 20:39:31 2008 Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> <362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein> Message-ID: <75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook> Yes Alan, but said gibbous moon sets at 1:30am PDT, so those of us who are up having a beer or three will enjoy the show which I'm told should peak about 4am PDT. (I had to look all that up!) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > Actually John that is not quite true. The moon will be in a gibbous phase > and its glow will obliterate all but the brightest Perseid meteors. If the > normal rate is 60 per hour, expect to see less than half that number > because of moonlight. > > People often ask what direction do I look to see the Perseids. The correct > answer is "straight up." If you gaze to the northeast, you will see short > trails as they are coming more in your direction. If you gaze toward the > south, you will see longer trails as they sail high above. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Siebel" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > > >> Also note that the Perseid meteor shower will peak Tuesday morning. No >> light pollution up there! >> >> John From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 10 09:03:11 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sun Aug 10 09:03:23 2008 Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert In-Reply-To: <75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook> References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com> <362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein> <75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook> Message-ID: <282B48E6-6445-4EC4-9E45-D913E9A5E65F@roadrunner.com> Geez! One can't even get away from drunken parties by going into the mountains. How are those of us who require sleep supposed to get any of that precious commodity? Maybe if I stay home it will be quiet in the neighborhood... . :-)> Lanny On Aug 9, 2008, at 8:34 PM, John Siebel wrote: > Yes Alan, but said gibbous moon sets at 1:30am PDT, so those of us > who are up having a beer or three will enjoy the show which I'm told > should peak about 4am PDT. (I had to look all that up!) > > John From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Aug 10 09:12:16 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Aug 10 09:13:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com><362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein><75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook> <282B48E6-6445-4EC4-9E45-D913E9A5E65F@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <8E41BFDD00E347D6A791849C476975DF@Notebook> Not to worry Lanny. I won't be camping. I'll enjoy the show from my own back yard. :-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics - final alert > Geez! One can't even get away from drunken parties by going into the > mountains. How are those of us who require sleep supposed to get any of > that precious commodity? Maybe if I stay home it will be quiet in the > neighborhood... . :-)> > > Lanny > > On Aug 9, 2008, at 8:34 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >> Yes Alan, but said gibbous moon sets at 1:30am PDT, so those of us who >> are up having a beer or three will enjoy the show which I'm told should >> peak about 4am PDT. (I had to look all that up!) >> >> John > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Sun Aug 10 10:02:58 2008 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Sun Aug 10 10:13:01 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] cleaning up title lines In-Reply-To: <282B48E6-6445-4EC4-9E45-D913E9A5E65F@roadrunner.com> References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com><362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein><75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook> <282B48E6-6445-4EC4-9E45-D913E9A5E65F@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <6AED897F03B743108745DE1703CE6D70@D8YF2G81> Is it too much to ask people when they reply to an email and their spam filtering solution ( or problem) adds something like [SUSPECTED SPAM] or [SPAM] to the subject line that they have the uncommon courtesy of removing it from the subject line? Why you ask? Because other spam filters see the dreaded word and toss the email into my spam / junk mail folder from which I have to retrieve the post. Kay From corson at infodyn.com Sun Aug 10 21:34:58 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Sun Aug 10 21:35:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds web page updated - including old searchable archives Message-ID: <95D8A098C22945EAB43F7DCB26DAC27A@Grimble> Hello all, I've just posted an update with several new links to the Rockhounds Information Page (http://www.infodyn.com/rockhounds/). The best part is I have now reactivated all of the old archives from when I used to maintain this list. They cover 1994-1999 and are fully searchable! The relevant archive links are near the top of the page... Or, to go direct, use http://www.infodyn.com/rockhounds/archive/rh_index.html. Enjoy, TC ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Mon Aug 11 05:56:54 2008 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Mon Aug 11 05:57:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services Message-ID: <48A03716.10105@ncmail.net> List, Can anyone recommend a lab that is currently accepting mineral samples for identification. As always price is important. I don't have a lot of samples, but 10 or 12 for now. Thanks!! Kenny NC Geological Survey Raleigh From murowchickj at umkc.edu Mon Aug 11 08:53:43 2008 From: murowchickj at umkc.edu (Jim Murowchick) Date: Mon Aug 11 08:55:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services In-Reply-To: <48A03716.10105@ncmail.net> Message-ID: Kenny- I am still open to doing identifications. Surprisingly, I was not swamped by ID requests after I made a general offer to do them more than a year ago. I have powder XRD, polarized light microscopy (including RI oils and spindle stage), ICPMS for elemental analysis in my department, and SEM with EDAX available through our Dental School. Costs vary with the method and time needed, and for amateur collectors, I've asked they make a donation to out department's scholarship fund. I can often make and ID for less than $10 if instrumental methods are not needed. XRD starts at about $20/sample for non-commercial work. At the other end of the cost scale, for commercial requests, we have pricing structures that include my time and instrument costs, as does the Dental School (SEM, ca. $120+/hr). For not-for profit and academic work, the costs would be somewhere between the two. NC Geological Survey work would probably fall in that group. Are the samples yours, or for NCGS work? If you are interested in having me take a look at them, let me know. You can contact me off the list with the information below. I'll be happy to help if I can. Cheers, Jim Dr. James B. Murowchick Associate Professor, Geology Department of Geosciences, 420 Flarsheim Hall 5110 Rockhill Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110 816 235-2979 Fax: 816 235-5535 murowchickj@umkc.edu On 8/11/08 7:56 AM, "Kenny Gay" wrote: > List, > Can anyone recommend a lab that is currently accepting mineral samples > for identification. > As always price is important. > I don't have a lot of samples, but 10 or 12 for now. > Thanks!! > Kenny > NC Geological Survey > Raleigh From albalmer at copper.net Mon Aug 11 09:25:49 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Mon Aug 11 09:25:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds web page updated - including old searchable archives In-Reply-To: <95D8A098C22945EAB43F7DCB26DAC27A@Grimble> References: <95D8A098C22945EAB43F7DCB26DAC27A@Grimble> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:34:58 -0700, "Tom Corson" wrote: >Hello all, > >I've just posted an update with several new links to the Rockhounds >Information Page (http://www.infodyn.com/rockhounds/). > >The best part is I have now reactivated all of the old archives from when I >used to maintain this list. They cover 1994-1999 and are fully searchable! > That's great! Thanks for the hard work - it will benefit many. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Mon Aug 11 09:46:09 2008 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Mon Aug 11 09:51:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] One Geology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Follow up story at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26094125/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of J Bryan Kramer Sent: August 1, 2008 8:39 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] One Geology This group is planning to put a global geological map up on the web: http://www.onegeology.org BK From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Aug 11 19:09:24 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:10:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: OreRockOn Pacific Northwest Lapidary & Knapping Materials Fall Sale In-Reply-To: <200712030811.lB38Bdpm027201@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <001601c83565$a5e95340$28fff604@TheBlackAdder> <069e01c8356b$3fdbee90$6501a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> <200712030811.lB38Bdpm027201@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <005701c8fc20$7127b5c0$53772140$@com> Just for the lists, cuz I love you guys so much (sniff!), I am having a Big Blowout Fall Sale & All-Around Shin-Dig on many of my Pacific NW lapidary and knapping materials. Selected rough and slabs are 10-50% off my regular prices now through whenever I get enough to make my next mortgage payment (kidding!), Labor Day, or when they sell out. When you order using the PayPal cart the regular price will come up; I will calculate your S&H charge and apply the difference between the regular & sale price to S&H. If the savings are greater than the S&H I will then refund you the difference. Click on any of the links below for more info and a list of materials. Some example sale items (sale price, regular price): Priday Blue Bed thundereggs $1.50 $2.50 Priday Red bed thundereggs $2.00 $2.50 Priday Moss Bed thundereggs $4.00 $5.00 Friend bed thundereggs $2.25 $3.00 White Fir Spring thundereggs $1.50 $2.50 Sunflower Flat jasp-agate $1.75 $2.50 Graveyard Point Multicolored Tube Agate $3.50 $5.00 Graveyard Point Regency Rose Plume Agate $4.00 $5.00 Wildhorse Picture Jasper $6.00 $7.50 Owyhee Picture Jasper $8.00 $12.00 Davis Creek rainbow obsidian $2.75 $3.50 Glass Buttes Midnite Lace obsidian $1.25 $2.50 McDonald Ranch Wood $2.00 $3.00 Paulina Limb Casts $1.50 $2.00 Arizona Petrified Forest $1.75 $2.50 Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com CD/DVD of OR, WA, & ID rockhounding sites: http://OreRockOn.com/CD Lapidary Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/lapidary Knapping Materials: http://OreRockOn.com/knappers From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 20:01:06 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:01:08 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth In-Reply-To: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Message-ID: Anyone answer this? Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:15 -0400> From: timeman123@optonline.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> > Hi everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth crystals like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it is melted before you poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right standing crystals I am new in doing this any help would be great thanks bob.> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Aug 11 21:19:45 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:21:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com><362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein><75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook><282B48E6-6445-4EC4-9E45-D913E9A5E65F@roadrunner.com> <8E41BFDD00E347D6A791849C476975DF@Notebook> Message-ID: <38D065F6922241288878BFCAED3AF231@Notebook> Well, just back from day one of the Idaho Metamorphics fiesta. Met Lanny along with List members Hilmar and Heidi Kroke, and Dexter and Margo (Inert last name here guys...sorry!) in Clarkia at 10:30 this morning. The weather couldn't have been nicer...sunny and 70's. We headed up hill and made a few stops finding (ta da!) nothing! Lanny was starting to get nervous as Hilmar and Heidi had driven here from Vancouver, B.C., while Dexter and Margo had come from Corvalis, OR. We did find some iffy garnet along the way but then, about 18 miles up the road, we hit the motherload of kyanite. Lanny found the first crystals in black schist then I found a few light blue crystals in white schist. Lanny then called us all over to an outcrop of white schist full of kyanite ranging from light blue to deep indigo up to about 1". None of it is museum quality but fun stuff nevertheless. The road was rough and dusty so the drive was slow, but the scenery was fantastic. We made a few more stops for garnet as we ascended, finding a some sharp crystals up to 1 1/2". We'll see how they clean up. I left Lanny, Dexter and Margo at a nice camping area at about 6,000' where they should enjoy weather in the 30's tonight. Hilmar and Heidi are staying at the Forest Service Work Station with such luxuries as a coffee maker and microwave. I'm back home and, unfortunately, it doesn't look like I'm gonna make it to day two due to work obligations. The rest of the crew is heading over to Moses Butte tomorrow where Lanny promises treasures galore. Fun time had by all. Wish you were here - John From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Aug 12 02:24:29 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 12 02:24:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Message-ID: <000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> http://www.crystalgrowing.com/index_e.htm http://www.unitednuclear.com/crystals.htm Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 4:01 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth > > Anyone answer this? > Glenn > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:15 -0400> From: > timeman123@optonline.net> > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] > Bismuth> > Hi > > everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth > > crystals like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it > is melted > > before you poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right > > standing crystals I am new in doing this any help would be great > > thanks bob.> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> > > multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> > text/html> ---> > > -- > _______________________________________________> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List > Home Page, > > with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From stu at arcrystalmine.com Tue Aug 12 07:06:50 2008 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Tue Aug 12 07:07:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite Message-ID: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> We've been digging wavellite on the old deLinde claim near Avant, Arkansas for seven days over the past 2 months. I'm in the process of making a web page with the history of this area and some info about wavellite. Here are some photos of what we have been digging http://picasaweb.google.com/StuSchmitt/AvantWavellite/photo?authkey=3Ns_hREPS0U#s5233627854763185634 With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From betdav97 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 08:17:32 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 12 08:17:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite In-Reply-To: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> Message-ID: <8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Stuart, Nice pictures, I also spoke to another gentleman about the new find; he said some of it fluoresced. Is that true? Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Stu Schmitt To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:06 am Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite We've been digging wavellite on the old deLinde claim near Avant, Arkansas for seven days over the past 2 months. I'm in the process of making a web page with the history of this area and some info about wavellite. Here are some photos of what we have been digging http://picasaweb.google.com/StuSchmitt/AvantWavellite/photo?authkey=3Ns_hREPS0U#s5233627854763185634 With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Tue Aug 12 09:53:51 2008 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Tue Aug 12 09:55:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite In-Reply-To: <8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> <8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3E82B291F72944B2B6549218E294103E@D8YF2G81> >Hi Stuart, > Nice pictures, I also spoke to another gentleman about the >new find; he said some of it fluoresced. Is that true? >Thanks, >Dave Oh Oh don't use the F word around Axel..... Kay From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue Aug 12 10:12:56 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue Aug 12 10:13:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite In-Reply-To: <8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> <8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48A1C498.3070706@hawaiiantel.net> I have some yellow wavelite from Garland County, Arkansas which fluoresces green under SW. Neat pictures, Stuart. Aloha, Kitty betdav97@aol.com wrote: > Hi Stuart, > Nice pictures, I also spoke to another gentleman about the > new find; he said some of it fluoresced. Is that true? > Thanks, > Dave > From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 12 11:48:59 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Aug 12 11:51:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> Message-ID: <000401c8fcac$151b6330$0200000a@LarryRush> I need some help with an unknown. It can be seen at: http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html This is one of the specimens I recently got where the boxes and labels had been destroyed... Any ideas? Larry From rpr at heidelberg.edu Tue Aug 12 11:57:27 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Tue Aug 12 11:57:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral In-Reply-To: <000401c8fcac$151b6330$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> <000401c8fcac$151b6330$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: Conichalcite? In calcite? dolomite? hemimorphite? A little HCl and a look at cleavage should distinguish between those three colorless choices. Regards, Pete Richards On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Lawrence Rush wrote: > I need some help with an unknown. It can be seen at: > > http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html > > This is one of the specimens I recently got where the boxes and > labels had been destroyed... > > Any ideas? > > Larry > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at ptd.net Tue Aug 12 11:58:42 2008 From: everbeek at ptd.net (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Tue Aug 12 11:58:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral In-Reply-To: <000401c8fcac$151b6330$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <001d01c8fcad$707d70f0$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> As I so often said during the 60s, I think you should drop some acid. That'll confirm or rule out calcite. Perhaps is aurichalcite included in calcite or aragonite? I've seen aurichalcite intergrown with hemimorphite (another possibility) from Mapimi. Cheers- Earl ---------------------------------------------------- Dr. Earl R. Verbeek Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum P: 973-209-7212 F: 973-209-8505 E: shmm@ptd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:49 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral I need some help with an unknown. It can be seen at: http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html This is one of the specimens I recently got where the boxes and labels had been destroyed... Any ideas? Larry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 12:15:36 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Aug 12 12:15:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral In-Reply-To: <001d01c8fcad$707d70f0$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> Message-ID: <559043.55561.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with Earl- looks like it could be from Mapimi, and it's an inclusion, most likely in calcite- acid would tell. The color, though, suggests malachite rather than aurichalcite. Jim --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Earl R. Verbeek wrote: From: Earl R. Verbeek Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 11:58 AM As I so often said during the 60s, I think you should drop some acid. That'll confirm or rule out calcite. Perhaps is aurichalcite included in calcite or aragonite? I've seen aurichalcite intergrown with hemimorphite (another possibility) from Mapimi. Cheers- Earl ---------------------------------------------------- Dr. Earl R. Verbeek Resident Geologist Sterling Hill Mining Museum P: 973-209-7212 F: 973-209-8505 E: shmm@ptd.net -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:49 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral I need some help with an unknown. It can be seen at: http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html This is one of the specimens I recently got where the boxes and labels had been destroyed... Any ideas? Larry --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 12 12:59:49 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Aug 12 13:02:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral References: <559043.55561.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c8fcb5$fa909a80$0200000a@LarryRush> OK...good reaction with Phosphoric acid, and the crystal structure looks like Calcite. The inclusions are a pretty bright green for Conichalcite or Aurichalcite, no single fibers,or sprays, and they are all single spheres, suggesting Malachite. The paragenesis is interesting, since neither mineral appears alone, and every Calcite crystal has a spherule in the center. In addition to the green crystallization, there are tiny brown nodules in the crystal interiors. A couple of the Calcite crystals have windows, or holes leading into the interior to expose the inclusions. Maybe a secondary dissolution? I am going to call it Calcite with Malachite inclusions, from Mapimi, for now. (there were some pieces of Mapimi labels where the mice didn't chew all of them!!) THANKS very much to you, Pete, Earl, and Jim...exactly what I was looking for! Larry ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral >I agree with Earl- looks like it could be from Mapimi, and it's an >inclusion, most likely in calcite- acid would tell. The color, though, >suggests malachite rather than aurichalcite. > Jim > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Earl R. Verbeek wrote: > > From: Earl R. Verbeek > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 11:58 AM > > As I so often said during the 60s, I think you should drop some acid. > That'll confirm or rule out calcite. Perhaps is aurichalcite included > in calcite or aragonite? I've seen aurichalcite intergrown with > hemimorphite (another possibility) from Mapimi. > > Cheers- Earl > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Earl R. Verbeek > Resident Geologist > Sterling Hill Mining Museum > P: 973-209-7212 > F: 973-209-8505 > E: shmm@ptd.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:49 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral > > I need some help with an unknown. It can be seen at: > > http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html > > This is one of the specimens I recently got where the boxes and labels > had > been destroyed... > > Any ideas? > > Larry > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Aug 12 13:05:55 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 12 13:05:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite In-Reply-To: <3E82B291F72944B2B6549218E294103E@D8YF2G81> References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2><8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> <3E82B291F72944B2B6549218E294103E@D8YF2G81> Message-ID: <001501c8fcb6$d4d47540$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Too late... I heard you! ;-))) Some of it may fluoresce... yesyes Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kay Davis > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 17:54 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite > > >Hi Stuart, > > Nice pictures, I also spoke to another gentleman about the > new find; > >he said some of it fluoresced. Is that true? > >Thanks, > >Dave > > > Oh Oh don't use the F word around Axel..... > > Kay > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 13:51:54 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Aug 12 13:51:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth In-Reply-To: <000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> <000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: Thanks for the great links. I hope Bob got this one also. Glenn > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:24:29 +0200> > http://www.crystalgrowing.com/index_e.htm> > http://www.unitednuclear.com/crystals.htm> > Cheers> > Axel> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From stu at arcrystalmine.com Tue Aug 12 13:57:50 2008 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Tue Aug 12 13:58:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite References: <001c01c8fc84$bdbcd190$6400a8c0@STU2> <8CACAA5AD312855-7B8-129D@webmail-dd05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006601c8fcbe$17358b70$6400a8c0@STU2> Some of the yellow (pale green) seems to fluoresce a yellow or green. One piece showed a band just below the surface that fluoresced. It looked like a curvy highway along the broken edge of the balls. I'll try to get a picture of it. We're still trimming, cleaning (cold soak in oxalic for a couple hours), grading and deciding how to price it. Art Smith is working on an article for Rock & Minerals Mag about our Avant digs. Ray McGrew (my mining partner) and Judy Morton will have a bunch of it at Quartzsite and Tucson next year. Will let you know when I get the web page history up. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New find of Avant Wavellite > Hi Stuart, > Nice pictures, I also spoke to another gentleman about the > new find; he said some of it fluoresced. Is that true? > Thanks, > Dave > > > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Aug 12 14:18:13 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Aug 12 14:18:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> Message-ID: <95661ED63145486E8286BE968425E286@Goldstein> Sorry, that's none of my bismuth... Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wimpee" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth Anyone answer this? Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:15 -0400> From: timeman123@optonline.net> To: > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> > Hi > everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth crystals > like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it is melted before you > poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right standing crystals I > am new in doing this any help would be great thanks bob.> > > --- > StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle > Mailing List> Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with > a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Paintricks at aol.com Tue Aug 12 14:18:51 2008 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 12 14:18:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quastion about Chrysocolla find here? Message-ID: I just located a mine on my property that seems to be old gold mine tailings at the top of the ridge. It probably was a copper deposit because Colorado has much of that going on. This is in central Colorado in Northern, central Fremont County. The deposit has a lot of low grade crystalline massive quartz crystals in it's light gray host rock and kind of vuggy with some calcite. There is an Agua green blue mineral vein in this stuff that is a coating on the quartz as a secondary mineral deposit. And also in lined veins. It may cut but I think it just of good specimen quality, not so much for cabs being that it is so brittle. It is Rhomb in nature but the crystal structure is small and hard to see but it is a glassy translucent blue and a beautiful new specimen for me. There is also a black material resembling Hematite. Looks like spots grouped together like the black sand I get in my pan from gold concentrates out of the rivers. I have almost an unlimited supply with specimens ranging from head size to thumbnail and it all has an almost puffy texture much like the hydrothermal calcite not far from this area I also collect in If anyone would like a picture of this stuff to help me id it I would be glad to send it over. Kreigh** I bet you could varify it. U out there? Thanks in advance. Kevin **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Tue Aug 12 15:33:02 2008 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Tue Aug 12 15:33:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] ajoite in quartz vs. chrysocolla in quartz? Message-ID: <48A20F9E.2080709@jeannius.com> I got some tumbled stones on ebay that were listed as chrysocolla from an estate parcel. they are quartz/chalcedony with blue in it, which I assumed were gem silica/chrysocolla in quartz, but I began to wonder how one can tell if it is chrysocolla vs. ajoite? I'm recutting the stones into cabs...and getting some gorgeous peices, but wasn't sure if it is gem silica or ajoite. Some of them look a bit different that my other gem silica, incl. some lighter, more opaque, pale blue material, though parts of it are the typical teal or turquoise color, and some of it is more swirly material (not evenly distributed). Jeanne From Paintricks at aol.com Tue Aug 12 16:18:18 2008 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 12 16:18:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] ajoite in quartz vs. chrysocolla in quartz? Message-ID: That's exactly what I have it seems. I have a chalcedony outcropping not far down the mountain that is gorgeous. It's a pale icy blue/purple that cuts beautifully. I believe you are right about what I have found. I would love to saw some of this stuff. It has a beautiful Turquoise color frosted with white. Thanks for the info. Kevin **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rudy1 at peak.org Tue Aug 12 20:23:34 2008 From: rudy1 at peak.org (rudy) Date: Tue Aug 12 20:23:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] change in e-mail address Message-ID: <48A253B6.2030108@peak.org> old E mail rudy1@peak.org New e mail rudy8967@comcast.net Rudy From territoones1 at ameritech.net Tue Aug 12 20:52:14 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Tue Aug 12 20:52:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Marshall Auction catalog Message-ID: <651888.47276.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for that link. I admired the pretty minerals as well. I want to thank all of you fine folks for giving me something new to learn about everyday! I have really enjoyed being part of Rockhounds drizzle's list. Teri Jetter ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Goldstein To: Rockhounds List Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 10:41:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Marshall Auction catalog Nice on-line auction catalog with lots of pretty minerals. I'm not bidding on a thing - just admiring the photos! http://s7d2.scene7.com/s7ondemand/brochure/flash_brochure.jsp?company=Stacks&sku=Aug08Marshall&config=Aug08Marshall&zoomwidth=1025&zoomheight=750 Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Aug 13 01:38:04 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Wed Aug 13 01:38:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth In-Reply-To: <200808130102.m7D11mnM018818@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Glen, Subject: Re: bismuth Name: David Von Bargen Date and Time: 08-02-2008 at 06:05:59 Date and Time: 07-30-2003 at 15:02:26 >From Rock Currier via MSA Talk List I may be able to offer some insights on how to grow bismuth crystals. We have been doing it for sometime in a rather low tech way on an old electrical kitchen stove we bought for that purpose. We just take the metal, it has to be quite pure and put it in a stainless steel bowl and heat it up to melting and then cool it off. We have to insulate the bowl to keep it from cooling down too much and we also have to insulate the top which we do by floating an insulating substance on the top of the bismuth with little screws going down through the insulation into the molten bismuth and then let the melt cool down a little. At the proper time you just lift off the insulation and magically there are beautiful bismuth crystals growing on the screws. It is a bit of an art form and takes some trial and error to get a feeling how long you have to wait. Wait too long and the bismuth crystals grow "wall to wall". We really have not managed to work out the kinks to make it more than marginally successful in a commercial sense. To do that you need to grow the bismuth crystals so that they are long and slender or very hoppered so that you get maximum visual appeal for the amount of bismuth in your crystal cluster. Ours sell, but are really to heavy for the size to be able to take over the market for bismuth crystals to any great degree. Not that there is any large market for these thing anyway. The production of these things is somewhat labor intensive and requires constant close attention. Probably someone in China will start making these things and blow everyone else out of the market. Yours truly, Rock Currier From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Aug 13 01:44:09 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Wed Aug 13 01:44:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertising on the chat group In-Reply-To: <200808130102.m7D11mnM018818@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Tim, Though some of us who look at and occasionally respond to questions on the chat group are dealers, most of us do not use it as a venue for free advertising. I think in the future you might wish to limit your advertising to mentioning that you are having a blowout sale and leave it at that rather than posting your entire price list. Rock From nospam at orerockon.com Wed Aug 13 05:52:37 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim) Date: Wed Aug 13 05:53:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertising on the chat group In-Reply-To: References: <200808130102.m7D11mnM018818@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00d001c8fd43$77304f30$6590ed90$@com> We are allowed to post a limited number of advertisements to the list. It's in the list rules. There is no restriction on what we can say in the ad. If you read my ad, you will notice that I post example materials, not the entire list, which is much longer. Thanks for the input though. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Rock Currier Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:44 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertising on the chat group Tim, Though some of us who look at and occasionally respond to questions on the chat group are dealers, most of us do not use it as a venue for free advertising. I think in the future you might wish to limit your advertising to mentioning that you are having a blowout sale and leave it at that rather than posting your entire price list. Rock -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rpr at heidelberg.edu Wed Aug 13 07:41:13 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Wed Aug 13 07:47:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral In-Reply-To: <001901c8fcb5$fa909a80$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <559043.55561.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001901c8fcb5$fa909a80$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <190CCCA3-5B13-437C-A9FE-90F7351686CE@heidelberg.edu> Larry, if it's malachite it will also dissolve in acid with effervescence. Pete On Aug 12, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Lawrence Rush wrote: > OK...good reaction with Phosphoric acid, and the crystal structure > looks like Calcite. The inclusions are a pretty bright green for > Conichalcite or Aurichalcite, no single fibers,or sprays, and they > are all single spheres, suggesting Malachite. The paragenesis is > interesting, since neither mineral appears alone, and every Calcite > crystal has a spherule in the center. In addition to the green > crystallization, there are tiny brown nodules in the crystal > interiors. A couple of the Calcite crystals have windows, or holes > leading into the interior to expose the inclusions. Maybe a > secondary dissolution? > > I am going to call it Calcite with Malachite inclusions, from > Mapimi, for now. (there were some pieces of Mapimi labels where the > mice didn't chew all of them!!) > > THANKS very much to you, Pete, Earl, and Jim...exactly what I was > looking for! > > Larry > > ============================= > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Daly" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:15 PM > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral > > >> I agree with Earl- looks like it could be from Mapimi, and it's an >> inclusion, most likely in calcite- acid would tell. The color, >> though, suggests malachite rather than aurichalcite. >> Jim >> >> --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Earl R. Verbeek wrote: >> >> From: Earl R. Verbeek >> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral >> To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors'" >> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 11:58 AM >> >> As I so often said during the 60s, I think you should drop some acid. >> That'll confirm or rule out calcite. Perhaps is aurichalcite >> included >> in calcite or aragonite? I've seen aurichalcite intergrown with >> hemimorphite (another possibility) from Mapimi. >> >> Cheers- Earl >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Dr. Earl R. Verbeek >> Resident Geologist >> Sterling Hill Mining Museum >> P: 973-209-7212 >> F: 973-209-8505 >> E: shmm@ptd.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of >> Lawrence Rush >> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:49 PM >> To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Unknown mineral >> >> I need some help with an unknown. It can be seen at: >> >> http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html >> >> This is one of the specimens I recently got where the boxes and >> labels >> had >> been destroyed... >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Larry >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tjokela at execulink.com Wed Aug 13 07:42:11 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed Aug 13 07:47:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services References: <48A03716.10105@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <010901c8fd52$c5819a90$6600a8c0@Junior> I believe Bart Canon/Cannon ? out of WA is doing analysis for a very low price. Somebody or other is usually advertising analytical services in the Min Rec, though Tony Nikisher has quit it. T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Gay" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services > List, > Can anyone recommend a lab that is currently accepting mineral samples for > identification. > As always price is important. > I don't have a lot of samples, but 10 or 12 for now. > Thanks!! > Kenny > NC Geological Survey > Raleigh > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From albalmer at copper.net Wed Aug 13 09:47:08 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed Aug 13 09:52:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Advertising on the chat group In-Reply-To: <00d001c8fd43$77304f30$6590ed90$@com> References: <200808130102.m7D11mnM018818@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <00d001c8fd43$77304f30$6590ed90$@com> Message-ID: <6k36a4tukqgchtr5rosb4noltt1ltrkank@4ax.com> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:52:37 -0700, "Tim" wrote: >We are allowed to post a limited number of advertisements to the list. It's >in the list rules. There is no restriction on what we can say in the ad. If >you read my ad, you will notice that I post example materials, not the >entire list, which is much longer. Thanks for the input though. Quite right, see http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/rules.html . Minor comment - the [AD] subject tag should be in brackets, as specified in the rules. This makes it easier for those who filter ads to distinguish between ads and a subject line which happens to have the two letters "ad" in it somewhere. Like this one. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From tjokela at execulink.com Wed Aug 13 12:47:35 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed Aug 13 12:47:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> <000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <019101c8fd7d$6f251660$6600a8c0@Junior> I seem to recall that this was once discussed at length on the list, but the dusty halls of my memory aren't yielding a lot of clues. Surely the holy grail of crystal growers, I'm surprised the process has yet to be clearly detailed somewhere online. I have one of these bismuth clusters on the base it was grown upon; a zinc plate with a screw through the middle. So that suggests he's floating the zinc plat atop the bismuth melt, and crystallization starts on the screw. If I can find a source of Bi here in the great white north, I'll give this a shot this winter and see if I can figure it out. That United Nuclear is an amazing site, shame they can't ship outside the US. Cheers, T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Axel Emmermann" To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth > http://www.crystalgrowing.com/index_e.htm > > http://www.unitednuclear.com/crystals.htm > > Cheers > > Axel > > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee >> Verzonden: dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 4:01 >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >> collectors >> Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth >> >> Anyone answer this? >> Glenn >> >> >> >> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me >> >> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:15 -0400> From: >> timeman123@optonline.net> >> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] >> Bismuth> > Hi >> > everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth >> > crystals like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it >> is melted >> > before you poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right >> > standing crystals I am new in doing this any help would be great >> > thanks bob.> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> >> > multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> >> text/html> ---> >> > -- > _______________________________________________> >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List >> Home Page, >> > with a link to the List Usage Policy:> >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From gregaweis at msn.com Thu Aug 14 11:45:30 2008 From: gregaweis at msn.com (GREGORY WEISBROD) Date: Thu Aug 14 11:45:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth In-Reply-To: <019101c8fd7d$6f251660$6600a8c0@Junior> References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> <000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <019101c8fd7d$6f251660$6600a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: As an alternative to strewing lead shotgun pellets over the countryside, some suppliers carry bismuth metal for do-it-yourselfers. I am not sure of the supplier or the "roll your own" process. Pull! > From: tjokela@execulink.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:47:35 -0400> > I seem to recall that this was once discussed at length on the list, but the > dusty halls of my memory aren't yielding a lot of clues.> > Surely the holy grail of crystal growers, I'm surprised the process has yet > to be clearly detailed somewhere online.> > I have one of these bismuth clusters on the base it was grown upon; a zinc > plate with a screw through the middle. So that suggests he's floating the > zinc plat atop the bismuth melt, and crystallization starts on the screw.> > If I can find a source of Bi here in the great white north, I'll give this a > shot this winter and see if I can figure it out.> > That United Nuclear is an amazing site, shame they can't ship outside the > US.> > Cheers,> > T> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:24 AM> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> > > > http://www.crystalgrowing.com/index_e.htm> >> > http://www.unitednuclear.com/crystals.htm> >> > Cheers> >> > Axel> >> >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> >> Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> >> [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee> >> Verzonden: dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 4:01> >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem> >> collectors> >> Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> >>> >> Anyone answer this?> >> Glenn> >>> >>> >>> >> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> >>> >> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:15 -0400> From:> >> timeman123@optonline.net>> >> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds]> >> Bismuth> > Hi> >> > everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth> >> > crystals like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it> >> is melted> >> > before you poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right> >> > standing crystals I am new in doing this any help would be great> >> > thanks bob.> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --->> >> > multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)>> >> text/html> --->> >> > -- > _______________________________________________>> >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:>> >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List> >> Home Page,> >> > with a link to the List Usage Policy:>> >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> >>> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative> >> text/plain (text body -- kept)> >> text/html> >> ---> >> --> >> _______________________________________________> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> >> Subscription Services:> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> >>> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From billtompkinscccc at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 12:53:32 2008 From: billtompkinscccc at comcast.net (billtompkinscccc@comcast.net) Date: Thu Aug 14 12:55:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips Message-ID: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Greetings, rockheads, I've had a surge in crystal collecting recently, so I figure it's time I reported in. Starting July 6, we spent a week in Idaho. On the way east, we stopped at the zeolite locality near Spray, Oregon known as Burnt Cabin Creek. We were on a schedule that didn't allow much time and it was very hot, so we only stayed about an hour. That was plenty of time for several good flats of chabazite, analcime and a little of the fibrous zeolites. In Idaho, on Monday I visited South Mountain in Owyhee County. Thunder Mountain Gold Company is getting ready to reopen the old metal mines there, and they have posted an extensive report of over 80 pages in length about this locality. Go to their webpage and follow the links to view their fascinating reading. I was allowed to look through the dumps and found tons of hedenbergite, and enough of the other minerals to satisfy me: copper, ilvaite, garnet, zinc. On Friday, we went to see the Upper Peacock Mine in the Seven Devils Mining District near Hell's Canyon. For directions, we were told "go to the end of the road and then come back one half mile". Perfect directions. I also had Lanny's collecting guide and a map drawn by Randy Becker that were enormously helpful. What a place!! The wildflowers were in full bloom, the view of Hell's Canyon from 7150 eet elevation was awesome, and there were copper minerals and garnets to be found easily. Just bend over and pick them up. Then carry them about a mile back uphill (at 7150 feet) to the car. And did I mention, the closest hospital is two counties away? Great collecting, awesome photos, glad I did it. Last weekend we went to the beach near Cape Lookout, Tillamook County, OR. Our guests thought we were a little crazy to be carrying a backpack full of tools down to the beach, but we showed them. On the beach we found dozens of small boulders that were full of zeolites and calcite. We soon had our packs full with plates of green clinoptilolite clusters with orange balls of calcite. Pretty good for the beach. After lunch, we stopped at the old quarry near the state park at Cape Lookout and found some good zeolites, but not as many as in years past. The quarry is really overgrown. And finally, right near downtown Milwaukie, OR last week I came across a landslide thathad some pockets several inches across lined with two generations of stilbite crystals. Not bad for just a few miles from home. And lately I've been thinking that collecting was getting lean. Well it is, and it takes more gas to find crystals, but they are still to be found if you look hard enough. Bill Tompkins Happy Valley, OR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Aug 14 18:15:24 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:16:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips References: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <438DDA99C5BD4A98A6AB6F5565A558BC@Notebook> Bill! Good to here from you. I was recently wondering how you were doing as I checked your website for something or other. Thanks for the virtual trip. John From tjokela at execulink.com Thu Aug 14 18:46:19 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Thu Aug 14 18:54:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu><000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <019101c8fd7d$6f251660$6600a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <000701c8fe78$b6b401c0$6600a8c0@Junior> I've been reading up on this, and it seems that relatively high purity bismuth works best. 99.99% or so. Prices seem to be all over the map, from $20 to $40 a pound. Fishing sinkers are another source of Bi, but again I doubt they're very pure. Cheers, T ----- Original Message ----- From: "GREGORY WEISBROD" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth As an alternative to strewing lead shotgun pellets over the countryside, some suppliers carry bismuth metal for do-it-yourselfers. I am not sure of the supplier or the "roll your own" process. Pull! > From: tjokela@execulink.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: > Re: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:47:35 -0400> > I seem > to recall that this was once discussed at length on the list, but the > > dusty halls of my memory aren't yielding a lot of clues.> > Surely the > holy grail of crystal growers, I'm surprised the process has yet > to be > clearly detailed somewhere online.> > I have one of these bismuth clusters > on the base it was grown upon; a zinc > plate with a screw through the > middle. So that suggests he's floating the > zinc plat atop the bismuth > melt, and crystallization starts on the screw.> > If I can find a source > of Bi here in the great white north, I'll give this a > shot this winter > and see if I can figure it out.> > That United Nuclear is an amazing site, > shame they can't ship outside the > US.> > Cheers,> > T> > > ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Axel Emmermann" > > To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list > for rock and gem collectors'" > > Sent: > Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:24 AM> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> > > > > http://www.crystalgrowing.com/index_e.htm> >> > > http://www.unitednuclear.com/crystals.htm> >> > Cheers> >> > Axel> >> >> > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> >> Van: > rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com> >> > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee> >> > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 augustus 2008 4:01> >> Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: > A mailing list for rock and gem> >> collectors> >> Onderwerp: RE: > [Rockhounds] Bismuth> >>> >> Anyone answer this?> >> Glenn> >>> >>> >>> >> > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me> >>> >> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 > 18:11:15 -0400> From:> >> timeman123@optonline.net>> >> > To: > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds]> >> Bismuth> > Hi> >> > > everybody can anybody give me some tips how to grow the Bismuth> >> > > crystals like how long do you let the Bismuth cool when it> >> is melted> > >> > before you poor it into another stainless pot to get the up right> >> > > standing crystals I am new in doing this any help would be great> >> > > thanks bob.> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --->> >> > > multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)>> >> > text/html> --->> >> > -- > > _______________________________________________>> >> > Rockhounds@drizzle > Mailing List> Subscription Services:>> >> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List> >> Home Page,> > >> > with a link to the List Usage Policy:>> >> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> >>> >> --- > StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative> >> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> >> text/html> >> ---> >> --> >> > _______________________________________________> >> Rockhounds@drizzle > Mailing List> >> Subscription Services:> >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> >> List Home Page, > with a link to the List Usage Policy:> >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> >>> >> > -- > > > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle > Mailing List> > Subscription Services:> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, > with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle > Mailing List> Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with > a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Fri Aug 15 07:55:02 2008 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Fri Aug 15 07:51:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips References: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48A598C6.7EA9F4E4@gmx.de> Hello Bill, good to hear there are zeolite localities well worth a visit in your state. Thank you! Regards, J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm - Germany billtompkinscccc@comcast.net schrieb: > Greetings, rockheads, > > I've had a surge in crystal collecting recently, so I figure it's time I reported in. > > Starting July 6, we spent a week in Idaho. On the way east, we stopped at the zeolite locality near Spray, Oregon known as Burnt Cabin Creek. We were on a schedule that didn't allow much time and it was very hot, so we only stayed about an hour. That was plenty of time for several good flats of chabazite, analcime and a little of the fibrous zeolites. > > In Idaho, on Monday I visited South Mountain in Owyhee County. Thunder Mountain Gold Company is getting ready to reopen the old metal mines there, and they have posted an extensive report of over 80 pages in length about this locality. Go to their webpage and follow the links to view their fascinating reading. I was allowed to look through the dumps and found tons of hedenbergite, and enough of the other minerals to satisfy me: copper, ilvaite, garnet, zinc. > > On Friday, we went to see the Upper Peacock Mine in the Seven Devils Mining District near Hell's Canyon. For directions, we were told "go to the end of the road and then come back one half mile". Perfect directions. I also had Lanny's collecting guide and a map drawn by Randy Becker that were enormously helpful. What a place!! The wildflowers were in full bloom, the view of Hell's Canyon from 7150 eet elevation was awesome, and there were copper minerals and garnets to be found easily. Just bend over and pick them up. Then carry them about a mile back uphill (at 7150 feet) to the car. And did I mention, the closest hospital is two counties away? Great collecting, awesome photos, glad I did it. > > Last weekend we went to the beach near Cape Lookout, Tillamook County, OR. Our guests thought we were a little crazy to be carrying a backpack full of tools down to the beach, but we showed them. On the beach we found dozens of small boulders that were full of zeolites and calcite. We soon had our packs full with plates of green clinoptilolite clusters with orange balls of calcite. Pretty good for the beach. After lunch, we stopped at the old quarry near the state park at Cape Lookout and found some good zeolites, but not as many as in years past. The quarry is really overgrown. > > And finally, right near downtown Milwaukie, OR last week I came across a landslide thathad some pockets several inches across lined with two generations of stilbite crystals. Not bad for just a few miles from home. > > And lately I've been thinking that collecting was getting lean. Well it is, and it takes more gas to find crystals, but they are still to be found if you look hard enough. > > Bill Tompkins > Happy Valley, OR > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Aug 15 21:26:43 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Aug 15 21:26:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area Message-ID: <87D4A3CA-6B4B-11DD-AFC8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> My oldest daughter, Norma, moved to Denver last August for a job, along with her husband, Brian. My wife, Monica, and our youngest daughter, Grace, went with me to visit them in a quick trip this past week. We left Grand Rapids, MI, late last Friday morning and drove to Lincoln, Nebraska, before finding a place to sleep. We arrived in Denver Saturday evening. Sunday was family time to catch up, go to Church, and watch some Olympics. Monday we visited the Colorado School of Mines Museum in Golden, toured the Celestial Seasonings plant (they have a prairie dog preserve on their grounds), visited the Coor's Brewery, and went to Lookout Mountain to visit Buffalo Bill's gravesite and enjoy the views. I highly recommend the Mining Museum, and their gift shop; I took a lot of pictures of outstanding specimens. We also stopped at Red Rocks on the way back and saw an outstanding rainbow (I hope the pictures turn out). On the way back we also stopped at a great roadcut and collected millions of years of sand/silt stones covering most of the colors in the rainbow. I'm looking forward to learning more about the geology behind my specimens. Tuesday was the high point of my collecting trip. We drove to Pete Modreski's house and loaded collecting tools into our van. I was very pleased that Jane (a fellow Michigander) decided to come along. Pete and I had been conspiring for months about this trip. It was a true pleasure to finally shake hands with an old friend. Our first stop was a roadcut occurance of Sillimanite and Fuchsite. Jane talked about the fun stuff on the other side of the road. We continued on to Harris Park where Pete's Club had a claim. I've had better days, but good specimens of amazonite and smokey quartz were collected. I am used to 500 feet, and collecting at 9,000 feet was hard work. Supper at a Coney Island, serving elk and buffalo dogs, was a real treat. The restaurant really was a giant hot dog in shape! On the way back we stopped at the other side of the road cut Jane had identified. Cool Moly minerals, natural asphalt, sulphates, and a normal fault from an old earthquake. While trying to get a good photo of the fault Dr. John Palermo (I hope I got his name right) stopped to make sure we were not having problems. He invited us to visit his property after finding out what we were doing. Dr. John had a limestone quarry, and lime kiln, that supported the original Coors brewery in making glass bottles (by providing the lime for soda-lime glass). Pete and I had a chance to collect at a rare location, and document an unusual historical site (I sure hope my pictures come out). Dr. John's family was connected to some very well known oil wells. The locality also supported an interesting artesian well, and an old NASA tracking station (reused by a local TV station). Dr. John was the next door neighbor to Adolph Coors. His children have taken over his veterinary practice; I wish John was my neighbor. My thanks to Monica and Jane as Pete and I explored, and took pictures, and collected specimens. It was a very long day! I'm glad we took the long way back (thanks for showing me dinosaur tracks). Wednesday we hiked Falcon Mountain before starting the long drive back to Michigan. It is going to take me many weeks to identify and catalog all the specimens I collected (thanks again Pete!). Kreigh From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Fri Aug 15 21:44:48 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Fri Aug 15 21:45:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hawaii telescope story [OT] Message-ID: <48A65B40.6080603@hawaiiantel.net> Hi List, Many rockhounds are interested in astronomy, so I hope this isn't too far off topic. Here's a URL to the Hawaii Tribune-Herald, the newspaper for Hilo, on the Big Island of Hawaii: http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/ The lead story for today's paper is "UH-Hilo telescope is down from the mountain." Click on "Full story" and you will find that the photos were taken by Bill Heacox, and he is quoted several times in the article. I expect that tomorrow you can find today's story by running your cursor to the News tab and then click on Archives. If any of you would like more info, photos, etc, contact me off-list. Aloha, Kitty From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 22:17:14 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Aug 15 22:17:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bismuth In-Reply-To: References: <000601c8f67f$034126a0$d6ec5143@ownerfbau59hmu> <000d01c8fc5d$38fc5c40$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <019101c8fd7d$6f251660$6600a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: I'm not a hunting expert, but toxic lead shot is banned in most places for waterfowl (primarily duck and goose) hunting. Bismuth shot is dense and hard enough to do the job quite well. Too bad bismuth is getting so expensive. Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: gregaweis@msn.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:45:30 -0500> > As an alternative to strewing lead shotgun pellets over the countryside,> some suppliers carry bismuth metal for do-it-yourselfers. I am not sure> of the supplier or the "roll your own" process. Pull!> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 22:22:33 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Aug 15 22:23:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips In-Reply-To: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> References: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Are you going to post any pictures? I'd like to see that area of the country in the next few years. Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: billtompkinscccc@comcast.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:53:32 +0000> Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips> > Greetings, rockheads,> > I've had a surge in crystal collecting recently, so I figure it's time I reported in.> > Starting July 6, we spent a week in Idaho. On the way east, we stopped at the zeolite locality near Spray, Oregon known as Burnt Cabin Creek. We were on a schedule that didn't allow much time and it was very hot, so we only stayed about an hour. That was plenty of time for several good flats of chabazite, analcime and a little of the fibrous zeolites.> > In Idaho, on Monday I visited South Mountain in Owyhee County. Thunder Mountain Gold Company is getting ready to reopen the old metal mines there, and they have posted an extensive report of over 80 pages in length about this locality. Go to their webpage and follow the links to view their fascinating reading. I was allowed to look through the dumps and found tons of hedenbergite, and enough of the other minerals to satisfy me: copper, ilvaite, garnet, zinc.> > On Friday, we went to see the Upper Peacock Mine in the Seven Devils Mining District near Hell's Canyon. For directions, we were told "go to the end of the road and then come back one half mile". Perfect directions. I also had Lanny's collecting guide and a map drawn by Randy Becker that were enormously helpful. What a place!! The wildflowers were in full bloom, the view of Hell's Canyon from 7150 eet elevation was awesome, and there were copper minerals and garnets to be found easily. Just bend over and pick them up. Then carry them about a mile back uphill (at 7150 feet) to the car. And did I mention, the closest hospital is two counties away? Great collecting, awesome photos, glad I did it.> > Last weekend we went to the beach near Cape Lookout, Tillamook County, OR. Our guests thought we were a little crazy to be carrying a backpack full of tools down to the beach, but we showed them. On the beach we found dozens of small boulders that were full of zeolites and calcite. We soon had our packs full with plates of green clinoptilolite clusters with orange balls of calcite. Pretty good for the beach. After lunch, we stopped at the old quarry near the state park at Cape Lookout and found some good zeolites, but not as many as in years past. The quarry is really overgrown.> > And finally, right near downtown Milwaukie, OR last week I came across a landslide thathad some pockets several inches across lined with two generations of stilbite crystals. Not bad for just a few miles from home.> > And lately I've been thinking that collecting was getting lean. Well it is, and it takes more gas to find crystals, but they are still to be found if you look hard enough.> > Bill Tompkins> Happy Valley, OR> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Fri Aug 15 22:29:43 2008 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Fri Aug 15 22:29:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips In-Reply-To: References: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Until Bob answers, here is his website! http://members.tripod.com/~WTompkins/index.html Enjoy! Dawn Fredricks > From: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:22:33 -0500 > > Are you going to post any pictures? > > I'd like to see that area of the country in the next few years. > Glenn > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > > From: billtompkinscccc@comcast.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:53:32 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Fri Aug 15 22:30:59 2008 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Fri Aug 15 22:31:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips In-Reply-To: References: <081420081953.17837.48A48D3C000B8706000045AD22058864420C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Opps, I meant Bill! Dawn > From: dawnmfredricks@msn.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:29:43 -0700 > > > > Until Bob answers, here is his website! > > http://members.tripod.com/~WTompkins/index.html > > Enjoy! > Dawn Fredricks > > > > > > From: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips > > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:22:33 -0500 > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 22:39:36 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Aug 15 22:39:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area In-Reply-To: <87D4A3CA-6B4B-11DD-AFC8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <87D4A3CA-6B4B-11DD-AFC8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Nice report. Sounds like you had a real good trip. You gonna post some pics? Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:26:43 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area> > My oldest daughter, Norma, moved to Denver last August for a job, along > with her husband, Brian. My wife, Monica, and our youngest daughter, > Grace, went with me to visit them in a quick trip this past week.> > We left Grand Rapids, MI, late last Friday morning and drove to > Lincoln, Nebraska, before finding a place to sleep. We arrived in > Denver Saturday evening. Sunday was family time to catch up, go to > Church, and watch some Olympics.> > Monday we visited the Colorado School of Mines Museum in Golden, toured > the Celestial Seasonings plant (they have a prairie dog preserve on > their grounds), visited the Coor's Brewery, and went to Lookout > Mountain to visit Buffalo Bill's gravesite and enjoy the views. I > highly recommend the Mining Museum, and their gift shop; I took a lot > of pictures of outstanding specimens.> > We also stopped at Red Rocks on the way back and saw an outstanding > rainbow (I hope the pictures turn out). On the way back we also stopped > at a great roadcut and collected millions of years of sand/silt stones > covering most of the colors in the rainbow. I'm looking forward to > learning more about the geology behind my specimens.> > Tuesday was the high point of my collecting trip. We drove to Pete > Modreski's house and loaded collecting tools into our van. I was very > pleased that Jane (a fellow Michigander) decided to come along. Pete > and I had been conspiring for months about this trip. It was a true > pleasure to finally shake hands with an old friend.> > Our first stop was a roadcut occurance of Sillimanite and Fuchsite. > Jane talked about the fun stuff on the other side of the road.> > We continued on to Harris Park where Pete's Club had a claim. I've had > better days, but good specimens of amazonite and smokey quartz were > collected. I am used to 500 feet, and collecting at 9,000 feet was hard > work.> > Supper at a Coney Island, serving elk and buffalo dogs, was a real > treat. The restaurant really was a giant hot dog in shape!> > On the way back we stopped at the other side of the road cut Jane had > identified. Cool Moly minerals, natural asphalt, sulphates, and a > normal fault from an old earthquake.> > While trying to get a good photo of the fault Dr. John Palermo (I hope > I got his name right) stopped to make sure we were not having problems. > He invited us to visit his property after finding out what we were > doing.> > Dr. John had a limestone quarry, and lime kiln, that supported the > original Coors brewery in making glass bottles (by providing the lime > for soda-lime glass). Pete and I had a chance to collect at a rare > location, and document an unusual historical site (I sure hope my > pictures come out). Dr. John's family was connected to some very well > known oil wells.> > The locality also supported an interesting artesian well, and an old > NASA tracking station (reused by a local TV station). Dr. John was the > next door neighbor to Adolph Coors. His children have taken over his > veterinary practice; I wish John was my neighbor.> > My thanks to Monica and Jane as Pete and I explored, and took pictures, > and collected specimens. It was a very long day! I'm glad we took the > long way back (thanks for showing me dinosaur tracks).> > Wednesday we hiked Falcon Mountain before starting the long drive back > to Michigan.> > It is going to take me many weeks to identify and catalog all the > specimens I collected (thanks again Pete!).> > Kreigh> > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Aug 16 02:16:39 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 16 02:16:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area In-Reply-To: <87D4A3CA-6B4B-11DD-AFC8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <87D4A3CA-6B4B-11DD-AFC8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000b01c8ff80$ca350bf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Thanks for the report, Kreigh! Have you looked at the asphalt and surrounding host rock under UV? There's a possibility of fluorescing "earth-waxes" being there ;-))) Yeah, I know... I have a one-track mind... Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: zaterdag 16 augustus 2008 5:27 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area > > My oldest daughter, Norma, moved to Denver last August for a > job, along with her husband, Brian. My wife, Monica, and our > youngest daughter, Grace, went with me to visit them in a > quick trip this past week. > > We left Grand Rapids, MI, late last Friday morning and drove > to Lincoln, Nebraska, before finding a place to sleep. We > arrived in Denver Saturday evening. Sunday was family time to > catch up, go to Church, and watch some Olympics. > > Monday we visited the Colorado School of Mines Museum in > Golden, toured the Celestial Seasonings plant (they have a > prairie dog preserve on their grounds), visited the Coor's > Brewery, and went to Lookout Mountain to visit Buffalo Bill's > gravesite and enjoy the views. I highly recommend the Mining > Museum, and their gift shop; I took a lot of pictures of > outstanding specimens. > > We also stopped at Red Rocks on the way back and saw an > outstanding rainbow (I hope the pictures turn out). On the > way back we also stopped at a great roadcut and collected > millions of years of sand/silt stones covering most of the > colors in the rainbow. I'm looking forward to learning more > about the geology behind my specimens. > > Tuesday was the high point of my collecting trip. We drove to > Pete Modreski's house and loaded collecting tools into our > van. I was very pleased that Jane (a fellow Michigander) > decided to come along. Pete and I had been conspiring for > months about this trip. It was a true pleasure to finally > shake hands with an old friend. > > Our first stop was a roadcut occurance of Sillimanite and Fuchsite. > Jane talked about the fun stuff on the other side of the road. > > We continued on to Harris Park where Pete's Club had a claim. > I've had better days, but good specimens of amazonite and > smokey quartz were collected. I am used to 500 feet, and > collecting at 9,000 feet was hard work. > > Supper at a Coney Island, serving elk and buffalo dogs, was a > real treat. The restaurant really was a giant hot dog in shape! > > On the way back we stopped at the other side of the road cut > Jane had identified. Cool Moly minerals, natural asphalt, > sulphates, and a normal fault from an old earthquake. > > While trying to get a good photo of the fault Dr. John > Palermo (I hope I got his name right) stopped to make sure we > were not having problems. > He invited us to visit his property after finding out what we > were doing. > > Dr. John had a limestone quarry, and lime kiln, that > supported the original Coors brewery in making glass bottles > (by providing the lime for soda-lime glass). Pete and I had a > chance to collect at a rare location, and document an unusual > historical site (I sure hope my pictures come out). Dr. > John's family was connected to some very well known oil wells. > > The locality also supported an interesting artesian well, and > an old NASA tracking station (reused by a local TV station). > Dr. John was the next door neighbor to Adolph Coors. His > children have taken over his veterinary practice; I wish John > was my neighbor. > > My thanks to Monica and Jane as Pete and I explored, and took > pictures, and collected specimens. It was a very long day! > I'm glad we took the long way back (thanks for showing me > dinosaur tracks). > > Wednesday we hiked Falcon Mountain before starting the long > drive back to Michigan. > > It is going to take me many weeks to identify and catalog all > the specimens I collected (thanks again Pete!). > > Kreigh > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From everbeek at ptd.net Sat Aug 16 06:46:35 2008 From: everbeek at ptd.net (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Sat Aug 16 06:46:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area In-Reply-To: <000b01c8ff80$ca350bf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <87D4A3CA-6B4B-11DD-AFC8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> <000b01c8ff80$ca350bf0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: Hi Axel, To give a partial answer, if Kreigh was where I suspect, a large roadcut through the Dakota hogback, with oil-stained sandstone on the north side and molybdenum minerals (ilsemannite) on the other, then yes, the sandstone fluoresces quite nicely in a range of yellow and orange hues. Very interesting material... Cheers- Earl P.S. It's too early in the morning for me to spell ilsemannite correctly. Please forgive if I blew it. On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:16:39 +0200, wrote: > Thanks for the report, Kreigh! > > Have you looked at the asphalt and surrounding host rock under UV? > There's a possibility of fluorescing "earth-waxes" being there ;-))) > Yeah, I know... I have a one-track mind... > > Cheers > Axel > From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Aug 16 06:51:45 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 16 06:51:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area Message-ID: Hi Axel (and the List), This locality--very accessible, it's a roadcut on a frontage road on the south side of US-285 just south of Morrison, Colorado, on the southwest side of the Denver metro area--is very interesting. The Dakota Sandstone here (Cretaceous age) is saturated with oil, and it does fluoresce very well in UV light, a whitish color (yellowish-white I think; I haven't looked at a sample in a while), LW and SW. The sandstone where it contains oil is, as you see when the break off a fresh piece, dark brownish-colored due to the oil, and you can smell the oil too; but on exposed weathered surfaces of the roadcut, the oil deteriorates, and the surface of the sandstone becomes stained chalky-whitish or greenish-yellow from the degradation products (not fluorescent) of the oil. A separate material, seeping mostly out of drill holes (left rom making the roadcut) in the sandstone, is black tarry natural asphalt, and Kreigh collected a sample of this. As I recall, however, the black asphalt is not fluorescent. This site is the best example I know of, of an "uplifted actual oil field" where you can look at the rock "live"! Cheers, Pete Modreski **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From earlrock at nctv.com Sat Aug 16 07:08:23 2008 From: earlrock at nctv.com (Earl) Date: Sat Aug 16 07:08:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hendersonville Micromounters Symposium Message-ID: <4C6181465BCE42DBA221A20D9724359D@earlbasement> Only two weeks to the 20th Annual HCGMS Micromounters Symposium in Hendersonville, NC. Date: August 30, 2008 Hours: 8:30 A.M. - 4:30 P.M. Link for additional information and map is below: http://www.hcgms.org/hcgmsannual.htm Bring your 'scope, swapping goodies, and any freebies that you want to dispose of, and enjoy a day of conversation and looking with fellow micromineral collectors. Coffee, some soft drinks and light snacks will be provided, but there is ample food available on Main St. Or feel free to brown bag lunch. Bring the spouse and offspring too, as the Annual Gem & Mineral Spectacular will be going on, and the Apple Festival will be happening on Main St. The Mineral & Lapidary Museum will also be open, and it is well worth your time to visit there. Regards, Earl English No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Aug 16 07:12:04 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 16 07:12:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area - ilsemannite Message-ID: Yes, you even spelled the mineral name correctly, Earl! This was, of course, the same roadcut you are familiar with. Ilsemannite is an odd mineral, a hydrated molybdenum oxide, I'll look up the formula, it's Mo3O8+nH2O (?) (the plus sign will represent the "dot" that I don't think I can type into the email program; and note the (?) appended to the formula; it's basically a non-crystalline material, probably should be considered a "mineraloid", not a true crystalline mineral--call it the molybdenum equivalent of limonite). It occurs as inky-blue stainings and encrustations on certain layers of the sandstone, where ground water seepage has carried molybdenum to the surface. One sees no crystals; where there do appear to be crystals, it is generally crystals of gypsum or some other sulfate mineral that have also formed there, and the ilsemannite has simply deposited on the surface of those crystals (like in the old-time salt-crystal-growing rock garden, such as I always made in a fish bowl when I was a kid, where you put lumps of coal in the bottom, sprinkled salt on them and some water, and added "Bluing" for color; Earl, I'll bet you did that too.). The ilsemannite is, I have read, basically a colloidal material, and will wash away into a suspension in water when it becomes wet. Pete **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Aug 16 07:18:28 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 16 07:18:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area Message-ID: Hi again, to Glenn and to the List, You all (I'm soundin' southern here) can check a link to a slide show from this little field trip, and see Kreigh & me & all the gang, at _http://picasaweb.google.com/Pete3555/RockStuffWithKreighHisFamily_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/Pete3555/RockStuffWithKreighHisFamily) (I didn't take any closeup pictures of the ilsemannite or the asphalt seep, though) cheers to all, Pete **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From billtompkinscccc at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 08:18:40 2008 From: billtompkinscccc at comcast.net (billtompkinscccc@comcast.net) Date: Sat Aug 16 08:18:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips Message-ID: <081620081518.11955.48A6EFD00009CE6300002EB322073007930C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Alright, I'll ask. Does this group have a site for posting photos?? I've got quite a few, from quite a few localities. I guess I'm still kind of a caveman, but if you show me how, I'll get hundreds of photos from my files out and post them for everyone to see. I've been just burning them onto CD's waiting for the right time. I've been to lots of crystal collecting localities in Oregon, Washington and Idaho over the last twenty years, and took digital photos at almost all of them. I also have a passion for waterfalls and have lots of photos of them to share. Help me thru the process and I'll be glad to share. Bill Tompkins -------------- Original message -------------- From: Glenn Wimpee > Are you going to post any pictures? > > I'd like to see that area of the country in the next few years. > Glenn > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > > From: billtompkinscccc@comcast.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: > Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:53:32 +0000> Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting > trips> > Greetings, rockheads,> > I've had a surge in crystal collecting > recently, so I figure it's time I reported in.> > Starting July 6, we spent a > week in Idaho. On the way east, we stopped at the zeolite locality near Spray, > Oregon known as Burnt Cabin Creek. We were on a schedule that didn't allow much > time and it was very hot, so we only stayed about an hour. That was plenty of > time for several good flats of chabazite, analcime and a little of the fibrous > zeolites.> > In Idaho, on Monday I visited South Mountain in Owyhee County. > Thunder Mountain Gold Company is getting ready to reopen the old metal mines > there, and they have posted an extensive report of over 80 pages in length about > this locality. Go to their webpage and follow the links to view their > fascinating reading. I was allowed to look through the dumps and found tons of > hedenbergite, and enough of the other minerals to satisfy me: copper, ilvaite, > garnet, zinc.> > On Friday, we went to see the Upper Peacock Mine in the Seven > Devils Mining District near Hell's Canyon. For directions, we were told "go to > the end of the road and then come back one half mile". Perfect directions. I > also had Lanny's collecting guide and a map drawn by Randy Becker that were > enormously helpful. What a place!! The wildflowers were in full bloom, the view > of Hell's Canyon from 7150 eet elevation was awesome, and there were copper > minerals and garnets to be found easily. Just bend over and pick them up. Then > carry them about a mile back uphill (at 7150 feet) to the car. And did I > mention, the closest hospital is two counties away? Great collecting, awesome > photos, glad I did it.> > Last weekend we went to the beach near Cape Lookout, > Tillamook County, OR. Our guests thought we were a little crazy to be carrying a > backpack full of tools down to the beach, but we showed them. On the beach we > found dozens of small boulders that were full of zeolites and calcite. We soon > had our packs full with plates of green clinoptilolite clusters with orange > balls of calcite. Pretty good for the beach. After lunch, we stopped at the old > quarry near the state park at Cape Lookout and found some good zeolites, but not > as many as in years past. The quarry is really overgrown.> > And finally, right > near downtown Milwaukie, OR last week I came across a landslide thathad some > pockets several inches across lined with two generations of stilbite crystals. > Not bad for just a few miles from home.> > And lately I've been thinking that > collecting was getting lean. Well it is, and it takes more gas to find crystals, > but they are still to be found if you look hard enough.> > Bill Tompkins> Happy > Valley, OR> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Aug 16 08:26:07 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Aug 16 08:26:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips In-Reply-To: <081620081518.11955.48A6EFD00009CE6300002EB322073007930C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> References: <081620081518.11955.48A6EFD00009CE6300002EB322073007930C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: You are probably better off getting a site at Flickr BK On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:18 AM, wrote: > Alright, I'll ask. Does this group have a site for posting photos?? I've > got quite a few, from quite a few localities. I guess I'm still kind of a > caveman, but if you show me how, I'll get hundreds of photos from my files > out and post them for everyone to see. I've been just burning them onto > CD's waiting for the right time. > I've been to lots of crystal collecting localities in Oregon, Washington > and Idaho over the last twenty years, and took digital photos at almost all > of them. I also have a passion for waterfalls and have lots of photos of > them to share. > Help me thru the process and I'll be glad to share. > > Bill Tompkins > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Glenn Wimpee > > > Are you going to post any pictures? > > > > I'd like to see that area of the country in the next few years. > > Glenn > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > > > > From: billtompkinscccc@comcast.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Date: > > Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:53:32 +0000> Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal > collecting > > trips> > Greetings, rockheads,> > I've had a surge in crystal collecting > > recently, so I figure it's time I reported in.> > Starting July 6, we > spent a > > week in Idaho. On the way east, we stopped at the zeolite locality near > Spray, > > Oregon known as Burnt Cabin Creek. We were on a schedule that didn't > allow much > > time and it was very hot, so we only stayed about an hour. That was > plenty of > > time for several good flats of chabazite, analcime and a little of the > fibrous > > zeolites.> > In Idaho, on Monday I visited South Mountain in Owyhee > County. > > Thunder Mountain Gold Company is getting ready to reopen the old metal > mines > > there, and they have posted an extensive report of over 80 pages in > length about > > this locality. Go to their webpage and follow the links to view their > > fascinating reading. I was allowed to look through the dumps and found > tons of > > hedenbergite, and enough of the other minerals to satisfy me: copper, > ilvaite, > > garnet, zinc.> > On Friday, we went to see the Upper Peacock Mine in the > Seven > > Devils Mining District near Hell's Canyon. For directions, we were told > "go to > > the end of the road and then come back one half mile". Perfect > directions. I > > also had Lanny's collecting guide and a map drawn by Randy Becker that > were > > enormously helpful. What a place!! The wildflowers were in full bloom, > the view > > of Hell's Canyon from 7150 eet elevation was awesome, and there were > copper > > minerals and garnets to be found easily. Just bend over and pick them up. > Then > > carry them about a mile back uphill (at 7150 feet) to the car. And did I > > mention, the closest hospital is two counties away? Great collecting, > awesome > > photos, glad I did it.> > Last weekend we went to the beach near Cape > Lookout, > > Tillamook County, OR. Our guests thought we were a little crazy to be > carrying a > > backpack full of tools down to the beach, but we showed them. On the > beach we > > found dozens of small boulders that were full of zeolites and calcite. We > soon > > had our packs full with plates of green clinoptilolite clusters with > orange > > balls of calcite. Pretty good for the beach. After lunch, we stopped at > the old > > quarry near the state park at Cape Lookout and found some good zeolites, > but not > > as many as in years past. The quarry is really overgrown.> > And finally, > right > > near downtown Milwaukie, OR last week I came across a landslide thathad > some > > pockets several inches across lined with two generations of stilbite > crystals. > > Not bad for just a few miles from home.> > And lately I've been thinking > that > > collecting was getting lean. Well it is, and it takes more gas to find > crystals, > > but they are still to be found if you look hard enough.> > Bill Tompkins> > Happy > > Valley, OR> > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- -- "The thunderbolt falls on an inch of ground; but the light of it fills the horizon." Ralph Waldo Emerson J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sat Aug 16 13:08:24 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sat Aug 16 13:13:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] recent crystal collecting trips Message-ID: Bill, I think lots of people will offer you advice about lots of sites you can use. I've been using "Picasa", on which you can post public (or private) picture albums, it seems to work fine for me, and you can label the pictures, etc. The link I sent to the List earlier today, to pictures from our field trip here in Colorado, was posted on Picasa. It's easy, and no charge, to register with them & to download their software to post pictures. Pete Modreski **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 00:35:22 2008 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Sun Aug 17 00:35:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) Message-ID: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Suggestions for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) Ok, post-Labor day Karen and I are going for a short trip around North-eastern California and North-western Nevada. We will be connecting on Sept 5 with a group for a short jaunt into the Black Rock Desert for some collecting. But, we have a few days before that on our own. We are mainly interested in lapidary cutting / specimen type material. Not too interested in Sun Stones or apache tears. I know about Davis Creek (haven't been yet but think I know enough for us to go there if we decide to). But, I have heard general references to other "nearby" areas and hope to get more detailed information. For example: - pet wood outside Cedarville (or Susanville?) - pet wood near "Duck Flat" or "Duck Lake" - pet wood / agate near Vya? - areas other than the "Christmas Agate" and Thunderegg mine and Opal mine in/near the Black Rock Desert? We may also stop by Virgin Valley again. Our last visit to Rainbow Ridge turned out quite well. Soooo.... anybody have solid recommendations & details for (or against) spots in this general area? From hilmarandheidi at telus.net Sun Aug 17 07:23:12 2008 From: hilmarandheidi at telus.net (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Sun Aug 17 07:23:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) In-Reply-To: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35945FF1-11EF-4523-A0A6-2720624A74A8@telus.net> On 2008.Aug.17., at 0035, Dean Welder wrote: > - pet wood outside Susanville _________________________________________________________ Was there this past October. Overcollected. Only a view little chips left. Also the gate is now locked and you would have to walk in a long way. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Aug 17 11:38:00 2008 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Aug 17 11:38:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE In-Reply-To: <48A65B40.6080603@hawaiiantel.net> References: <48A65B40.6080603@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> > Hi all.... I heard on TV - 2008 olympic gold medals --- with jade. 8-) ...only saw a quick picture on TV... not clear. trying to see medals as they are held up and hard to see... . I have tried to find a picture of the medals with jade. Anyone have a picture? Thankzzz, GeorgiaO ... :-) ... :-) ... :-) _-..--..__..--..__ From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Aug 17 11:48:14 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Aug 17 11:50:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE In-Reply-To: <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> References: <48A65B40.6080603@hawaiiantel.net> <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <48A8726E.9020703@hawaiiantel.net> I got the following by googling "Olympic medals Beijing": http://en.beijing2008.cn/67/83/article214028367.shtml Aloha, Kitty Frederick Olmstead wrote: > >> Hi all.... > > I heard on TV - 2008 olympic gold medals --- with jade. 8-) > ...only saw a quick picture on TV... not clear. > trying to see medals as they are held up and hard to see... . > I have tried to find a picture of the medals with jade. > Anyone have a picture? > > Thankzzz, GeorgiaO ... :-) ... :-) ... :-) > _-..--..__..--..__ > > > From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 17 13:09:29 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:12:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADVERTISEMENT] Lower Grade Mexican Minerals for Sale References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com><000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> <000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000601c900a5$28730440$0300000a@LarryRush> I am wrapping up my purchase of an old rock shop, and am offering lower grade Mexican material for sale, by the flat. See them at: http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html Thanks....Larry From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 13:25:12 2008 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:25:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE In-Reply-To: <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <972966.92583.qm@web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com> They mentioned the jade was on the reverse. Eman --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Frederick Olmstead wrote: > From: Frederick Olmstead > Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:38 PM > > Hi all.... > > I heard on TV - 2008 olympic gold medals --- with jade. > 8-) > ...only saw a quick picture on TV... not clear. > trying to see medals as they are held up and hard to see... > . > I have tried to find a picture of the medals with jade. > Anyone have a picture? > > Thankzzz, GeorgiaO > ... :-) ... :-) ... :-) > > _-..--..__..--..__ > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From folmstead at rcn.com Sun Aug 17 13:32:39 2008 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:32:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE In-Reply-To: <48A8726E.9020703@hawaiiantel.net> References: <48A65B40.6080603@hawaiiantel.net> <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> <48A8726E.9020703@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <48A88AE7.5000900@rcn.com> Thanks..... Gracias Spaciba Great photo and good explanation from the site.... jade in different colors.... GMO Victory medals of Beijing Olympic Games unveiled (photos attached) Reverse side of the Medal and the Ribbon Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > I got the following by googling "Olympic medals Beijing": > > http://en.beijing2008.cn/67/83/article214028367.shtml > > Aloha, Kitty > > Frederick Olmstead wrote: > >> >>> Hi all.... >> >> >> I heard on TV - 2008 olympic gold medals --- with jade. 8-) >> ...only saw a quick picture on TV... not clear. >> trying to see medals as they are held up and hard to see... . >> I have tried to find a picture of the medals with jade. >> Anyone have a picture? >> >> Thankzzz, GeorgiaO ... :-) ... :-) ... :-) _-..--..__..--..__ >> >> >> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) multipart/related text/html --- From kugeln at peoplepc.com Sun Aug 17 13:34:19 2008 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:34:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) References: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c900a8$a1bd6720$ac66f304@JOHN> Dean, If you go past the petrified wood locality, up a short and somewhat steep hill, then continue on the dirt road to the right (north) aways, you'll find decent agate (has a name I forget just now). At least that's how it was 10 years ago, and I do suspect it's still available. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Welder" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville,Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) > Suggestions for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, > Nor-West Nevada) > > Ok, post-Labor day Karen and I are going for a short trip around > North-eastern California and North-western Nevada. We will be connecting > on Sept 5 with a group for a short jaunt into the Black Rock Desert for > some collecting. But, we have a few days before that on our own. > > We are mainly interested in lapidary cutting / specimen type material. Not > too interested in Sun Stones or apache tears. I know about Davis Creek > (haven't been yet but think I know enough for us to go there if we decide > to). But, I have heard general references to other "nearby" areas and hope > to get more detailed information. For example: > - pet wood outside Cedarville (or Susanville?) > - pet wood near "Duck Flat" or "Duck Lake" > - pet wood / agate near Vya? > - areas other than the "Christmas Agate" and Thunderegg mine and Opal mine > in/near the Black Rock Desert? > > We may also stop by Virgin Valley again. Our last visit to Rainbow Ridge > turned out quite well. > > > > Soooo.... anybody have solid recommendations & details for (or against) > spots in this general area? > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Aug 17 13:44:42 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:44:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE Message-ID: Thanks for that nice link to the description of the Olympic medals, Kitty. In a message dated 8/17/2008 12:50:35 PM Mountain Daylight Time, kahako@hawaiiantel.net writes: http://en.beijing2008.cn/67/83/article214028367.shtml It answers one question that I had been wondering about myself--how much gold was really in the Gold medals. Back in the spring the Denver Museum of Nature and Science had a large, really good special guest exhibit on "Gold", which included such things as Olympic medals as well as mineral specimens, archeological treasures, gold bars recovered from shipwrecks, etc.; but I'd noticed that the labeling there never did precisely explain, how pure the gold and silver in the Olympic medals actually were. So now I know, "The medals for the champion and the runner-up are made of pure silver, and the champion's medal must be plated with gold weighing not less than six grams each." However, there's more to the story about the jade than is explained on this web page. Somewhere (I can't offer a link to this online though), I had additionally heard it explained, that the three medals contain different types of jade, of progressively greater value. One can see this in the color difference of the jade in the three medals in the picture linked above; white jade (Gold medal) is supposed to be the most prized; light green, in the Silver medal, the next most valuable; and dark green jade (least valuable) in the Bronze medal. That is what I read somewhere, anyway. It's neat that they customized the 2008 medals this way! Pete **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 14:04:01 2008 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Sun Aug 17 14:01:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] '08 olympic medal(s) -w/jJADE In-Reply-To: <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> References: <48A65B40.6080603@hawaiiantel.net> <48A87008.20708@rcn.com> Message-ID: Georgia, Will send one to you off list. Carolyn On Aug 17, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Frederick Olmstead wrote: > >> Hi all.... > > I heard on TV - 2008 olympic gold medals --- with jade. > 8-) ...only saw a quick picture on TV... not clear. > trying to see medals as they are held up and hard to see... . > I have tried to find a picture of the medals with jade. > Anyone have a picture? > > Thankzzz, GeorgiaO ... :-) ... :-) ... :-) > _-..--..__..--..__ > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From nospam at orerockon.com Sun Aug 17 15:10:44 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim) Date: Sun Aug 17 15:11:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) In-Reply-To: <35945FF1-11EF-4523-A0A6-2720624A74A8@telus.net> References: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <35945FF1-11EF-4523-A0A6-2720624A74A8@telus.net> Message-ID: <00de01c900b6$18b961a0$4a2c24e0$@com> Hilmar, I have a site reference for Susanville wood that is on BLM land but it is very vague. Do you have GPS cords for the site? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Hilmar Krocke Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:23 AM To: wdeanwelder@yahoo.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) On 2008.Aug.17., at 0035, Dean Welder wrote: > - pet wood outside Susanville _________________________________________________________ Was there this past October. Overcollected. Only a view little chips left. Also the gate is now locked and you would have to walk in a long way. Hilmar From nospam at orerockon.com Sun Aug 17 15:30:29 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim) Date: Sun Aug 17 15:37:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) In-Reply-To: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00df01c900b8$db079720$9116c560$@com> See my suggestions below. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- Subject: [Rockhounds] Suggestions Requested for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) Suggestions for Trippin' Round Cedarville, Alturas (Nor-East Calif, Nor-West Nevada) -There is some interesting opal/jasper material near Alturas; email me off list if you want to know more. Ok, post-Labor day Karen and I are going for a short trip around North-eastern California and North-western Nevada. We will be connecting on Sept 5 with a group for a short jaunt into the Black Rock Desert for some collecting. But, we have a few days before that on our own. We are mainly interested in lapidary cutting / specimen type material. Not too interested in Sun Stones or apache tears. I know about Davis Creek (haven't been yet but think I know enough for us to go there if we decide to). The Davis Creek store, where you get your free permit to collect obsidian, has a decent enough map with all the sites that the USFS says you are allowed to collect. Most people also surface collect other areas which to me is OK. I don't think they want you digging in the other areas. (Shameless self-promotion: my DVD has these areas as I have been to quite a few of them). But, I have heard general references to other "nearby" areas and hope to get more detailed information. For example: - pet wood outside Cedarville (or Susanville?) The Cedarville wood is southwest of town on BLM or USFS land in Granger Creek canyon. I don't know any more than that. - pet wood near "Duck Flat" or "Duck Lake" - pet wood / agate near Vya? - areas other than the "Christmas Agate" and Thunderegg mine and Opal mine in/near the Black Rock Desert? These are technically off-limits to digging as is the whole of the Black Rock Desert NCA and the wilderness area, with the exception of current, valid claims (the thunderegg claim was dropped and there is no collecting on the former claim). Generally, collecting in wilderness areas is limited to surface collecting only, and at least Oregon wilderness areas, NCAs, and NWRs have tight restrictions on weight limits (i.e., the Hart Mtn. NWR allows you to surface collect 7 lbs. each day). We may also stop by Virgin Valley again. Our last visit to Rainbow Ridge turned out quite well. Soooo.... anybody have solid recommendations & details for (or against) spots in this general area? From corson at infodyn.com Sun Aug 17 18:01:10 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Sun Aug 17 18:01:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New specimens added! Pingwu Scheelite, Milpillas Azurite, Huallanca Rhodonite, plus more... Message-ID: <27FA91199FBC4F9F9C5C27BF933EBFDD@Grimble> Fellow collectors, I have just added several dozen new specimens to the web site, in all price ranges: * Exceptional large Scheelite crystals from Pingwu, China. * Unique Poker Chip Calcite crystals from China. * A very unique Pyrite on Fluorite from Jiangxi Province, China. * Fantastic Azurite crystals on Malachite from the exciting new find at Milpillas, Mexico. * Brilliantly colored Rhodonite crystals from the San Martin Mine, Huallanca, Peru. * Beautiful Ettringite crystals from the N'Chwaning II Mine, South Africa. * Lustrous specular Hematite crystals from Wessels, South Africa. * Calcite crystals on Amethyst from Brazil. You may view them at http://obgrocks.com/ using the links near the top of the page, or, if you wish to go directly to the new specimens, use http://infodyn.dyndns.org:8880/cgi-bin/query_sku?Since=1m Also, a while back I shared a neat new imaging plug-in called PicLens with the list. It is now integrated with the web site's mineral galleries page. It produces a 3D image wall of all of the specimens currently online. It's pretty amazing! Be sure to check it out at http://obgrocks.com/mineral_galleries.html Thanks for looking.... Best regards, Tom Corson OBG International Gems & Minerals http://obgrocks.com/ From hilmarandheidi at telus.net Sun Aug 17 18:19:50 2008 From: hilmarandheidi at telus.net (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Sun Aug 17 18:20:08 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Susanville In-Reply-To: <00de01c900b6$18b961a0$4a2c24e0$@com> References: <630101.21455.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <35945FF1-11EF-4523-A0A6-2720624A74A8@telus.net> <00de01c900b6$18b961a0$4a2c24e0$@com> Message-ID: Dean and Tim : I was talking about the site as it appears in Gail Butlers book " The Rockhounds Guide to California" (1995) Site 66 on page156 to 159. 10.3 miles NE of Susanville on Highway 139 Sorry, no GPS coordinates. I just went by the book. I think I might have picked up the last three little pieces. I have not been to the site along Willard creek. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 17 22:23:54 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sun Aug 17 22:23:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics trip Message-ID: <9FAB1C08-C11A-4208-9D38-82A183340EB3@roadrunner.com> John S. gave you all a brief report on the trip to the metamorphics east of Clarkia, Idaho several days ago, so you know several of us made the trip. I've been quite busy, but managed to put together some web pages with photos and information, then discovered moments ago that I have already filled my quota on my web site. I don't have time to fiddle with it now, so won't get it up until late in the week. The trip was good. I'd expected two more vehicles with an unknown number of people each, and possibly another one too, but apparently those people were unable to make the trip. That's too bad, we had a good time and collected some good kyanite and garnets, primarily at Freezeout Mountain and Moses Butte, along with a few stops along the road. Snow blocked the road immediately past our last site, so that turned out fine; glad we didn't attempt the trip two weeks sooner though! I'll try to get the photos up on my web site in several days. Hilmar asked where we are going next... . Regards, Lanny From str4hler at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 04:19:50 2008 From: str4hler at gmail.com (str4hler) Date: Mon Aug 18 04:20:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services In-Reply-To: <010901c8fd52$c5819a90$6600a8c0@Junior> References: <48A03716.10105@ncmail.net> <010901c8fd52$c5819a90$6600a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: Hi all, I once made a little list here: http://www.strahlen.org/analyse/ If the list needs updating/corrections, please let me know ;-) Cheers! On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > I believe Bart Canon/Cannon ? out of WA is doing analysis for a very low > price. Somebody or other is usually advertising analytical services in the > Min Rec, though Tony Nikisher has quit it. > > T > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Gay" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:56 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services > > >> List, >> Can anyone recommend a lab that is currently accepting mineral samples for >> identification. >> As always price is important. >> I don't have a lot of samples, but 10 or 12 for now. >> Thanks!! >> Kenny >> NC Geological Survey >> Raleigh >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- the next great task for mankind is to slow down... From buff1 at ptd.net Mon Aug 18 04:52:44 2008 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Mon Aug 18 04:52:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADVERTISEMENT] Lower Grade Mexican Minerals for Sale In-Reply-To: <000601c900a5$28730440$0300000a@LarryRush> References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com><000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> <000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> <000601c900a5$28730440$0300000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <48A9628C.3020701@ptd.net> Lawrence Rush wrote: > I am wrapping up my purchase of an old rock shop, and am offering > lower grade Mexican material for sale, by the flat. > > See them at: > > http://www.connroxminerals.com/bone.html > > > > Thanks....Larry > > Larry, I'll take two flats... As per your web page sounds like that would be $50. Please reply with your mailing address again, as I am SO disorganized these days... Dennis Buffenmyer 145 S. Ridge Road Reinholds, PA. 17569 p.s. are you going to be doing any herkimer hunting this year?? From stu at arcrystalmine.com Mon Aug 18 06:37:19 2008 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Mon Aug 18 06:37:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Avant Wavellite History Message-ID: <01f301c90137$8b4d0740$6400a8c0@STU2> I finally finished the web page with a little history and geology about the deLinde Lease and Dug Hill wavellite near Avant, Arkansas. http://www.arcrystalmine.com/avanthistory/avanthistory.html Don't shoot the messenger...but if you spot any errors, please let me know. With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Aug 18 06:52:46 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim) Date: Mon Aug 18 06:53:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: Wunderground map Message-ID: <00ef01c90139$b26cacc0$17460640$@com> I was curious so I clicked on the link in a previous post last week, had a brief look at the map, bookmarked the page, and didn't look at it again. This AM we have a large thunderstorm approaching up from the south (a very unusual occurrence for the Willamette Valley), so I clicked on my bookmark to check it out. Right now it is hailing and the thunder is within a few miles. The wunderground map shows rain about 25 miles to the SE. I thought this was strange so I clicked on my old favorite, Intellicast. That radar shows the storm a few miles directly south and moving north right at us. I closed the tab with the wunderground map, clicked on it again, and voila, the storm shows up. This is weird behavior, but I like their maps better.has anyone noticed this and if so have you come up with a solution for this? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Aug 18 06:56:00 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim) Date: Mon Aug 18 06:56:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OT: Wunderground map Message-ID: <00f401c9013a$25d09f50$7171ddf0$@com> Whoops, I meant to say that I clicked the minus sign on the Google map in the wunderground, and then the storm showed up. The view I had bookmarked was plenty large enough to show the whole storm from beginning to end in the animation. I was curious so I clicked on the link in a previous post last week, had a brief look at the map, bookmarked the page, and didn't look at it again. This AM we have a large thunderstorm approaching up from the south (a very unusual occurrence for the Willamette Valley), so I clicked on my bookmark to check it out. Right now it is hailing and the thunder is within a few miles. The wunderground map shows rain about 25 miles to the SE. I thought this was strange so I clicked on my old favorite, Intellicast. That radar shows the storm a few miles directly south and moving north right at us. I closed the tab with the wunderground map, clicked on it again, and voila, the storm shows up. This is weird behavior, but I like their maps better.has anyone noticed this and if so have you come up with a solution for this? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:30:02 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Mon Aug 18 09:30:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Show Announcement Message-ID: <533949.86330.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you are anywhere near South Bend, Indiana next weekend, check out the Michiana Gem & Mineral Society Show. It's at the St. Joseph County 4-H Fairgrounds, on Ironwood Rd., just south of the US20 bypass. Hours are: Friday, August 22, 2 PM to 7 PM Saturday, August 23, 10 AM to 6 PM Sunday, August 24, 10 AM to 4 PM All times are EDT. Displays, dealers, silent auction, demonstrations, kids corner- something for everyone! ? Jim Daly --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Mon Aug 18 19:07:55 2008 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Mon Aug 18 19:08:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Bismuth In-Reply-To: <200808170104.m7H14So3021609@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200808170104.m7H14So3021609@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20080818190801.BE7656EA@dm07.mta.everyone.net> At 09:04 PM 8/16/2008, you wrote: >From: Glenn Wimpee >Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Bismuth > >I'm not a hunting expert, but toxic lead shot is banned in most >places for waterfowl (primarily duck and goose) hunting. >Bismuth shot is dense and hard enough to do the job quite well. >Too bad bismuth is getting so expensive. >Glenn > >****************************************** I saw the thread on Bismuth, and that reminded me that I had a few lab grown pieces by a friend named of Tom Leary of Virginia. I guess he likes "playing" with stuff like this and he's developed his method that yields some REALLY LARGE Bismuth hopper crystals. This first piece is about 239Grams, It is much bigger than I've ever seen at a show. http://www.shimatzki.com//PhotoGallery/albums/2008/2008-08/bismuth8x6-1.jpg The Second Piece is about 260Grams, it is the biggest I have from Tom. It is also pretty much identical on both sides... One long/tall wall with the edges on both sides separating it. I like this one the best. http://www.shimatzki.com//PhotoGallery/albums/2008/2008-08/bismuth8x6-2.jpg Anyway, He said he's always interested in growing more if someone is looking for some tips/info, etc... Email him at: piffsniff@aol.com Please don't take this as an advertisement, as mine are not for sale.. Stephen Shimatzki sjs132@accesstoledo.com http://www.rockyreader.com From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Mon Aug 18 19:19:03 2008 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Mon Aug 18 19:19:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [SHOW] Toledo Gem and Rockhound Club - 37th annual show! Message-ID: <20080818191911.BE78D8DC@sj1-dm102.mta.everyone.net> Hello All, Just wanted to get the word out incase anyone is close to the Toledo, Ohio Area. Our Rock Club will be having our 37th Rock and Gem Show. The weekend AFTER Labor day, September 5, 6, 7. We will have over 20 vendors , but also members demonstrating various lapidary skills. Display cases for showing off collections and even a kids game area for the little rock pups! This will be held at the Stranahan Theater Complex, 4645 Heatherdowns, Toledo OH. If you would like more information about our club and/or the show, you may find it here: http://www.toledogemandrockhoundclub.com Thanks -Steve Stephen Shimatzki Toledo Gem and Rockhound Club From jar8912 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 07:08:23 2008 From: jar8912 at yahoo.com (steve chisarick) Date: Tue Aug 19 07:12:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member Message-ID: <878033.20854.qm@web50101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi My name is steve I live in ne. Pa. Coal Reagen my interest is Pa. fluorescence And native point rocks I possible new mineral to id. from mine fire redeposited blue fluorescence and blue phosphorescence thanks steve c From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Aug 19 08:25:58 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 19 08:26:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member In-Reply-To: <878033.20854.qm@web50101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <878033.20854.qm@web50101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003b01c9020f$e3667f00$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Steve, Fluorescence? Way to go! Can you be a little more specific about what the lineral looks like (shape, crystal form, luster, color...) and what the fluorescence does: light blue, pale blue, greenish blue, blue whote, deep blue... And under which wavelength? Long wave, short wave... Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens steve chisarick > Verzonden: dinsdag 19 augustus 2008 15:08 > Aan: rocks > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] new member > > Hi > My name is steve > I live in ne. Pa. > Coal Reagen > my interest is Pa. fluorescence > And native point rocks > I possible new mineral to id. > from mine fire redeposited > blue fluorescence and blue phosphorescence > > thanks steve c > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue Aug 19 09:27:06 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:27:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services In-Reply-To: References: <48A03716.10105@ncmail.net> <010901c8fd52$c5819a90$6600a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <48AAF45A.7020806@verizon.net> str4hler wrote: > Hi all, > I once made a little list here: http://www.strahlen.org/analyse/ > If the list needs updating/corrections, please let me know ;-) > Cheers! Hi, As far as I know, Excalibur Minerals is no longer doing commercial work. Also, it is quite a stretch to say that a microprobe is essentially an SEM, and that SEM/EDS analysis can do essentially the same analysis as a microprobe. best, Don From str4hler at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 09:50:06 2008 From: str4hler at gmail.com (str4hler) Date: Tue Aug 19 09:50:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lab services In-Reply-To: <48AAF45A.7020806@verizon.net> References: <48A03716.10105@ncmail.net> <010901c8fd52$c5819a90$6600a8c0@Junior> <48AAF45A.7020806@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thanks for your reply Don. If you know me, you know that I know nothing about this sort of technical matters... Better: I know that I know nothing about this knowledge :-) So... If you have a better text, mailme and I'll put it online :-) Thanks, cheers! On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:27 PM, DonH wrote: > str4hler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I once made a little list here: http://www.strahlen.org/analyse/ >> If the list needs updating/corrections, please let me know ;-) >> Cheers! > > Hi, > > As far as I know, Excalibur Minerals is no longer doing commercial work. > > Also, it is quite a stretch to say that a microprobe is essentially an SEM, > and that SEM/EDS analysis can do essentially the same analysis as a > microprobe. > > best, > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- the next great task for mankind is to slow down... From cornish at tfon.com Wed Aug 20 12:28:54 2008 From: cornish at tfon.com (John Cornish) Date: Wed Aug 20 13:48:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction Message-ID: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Hello Everyone, I'd like to re-introduce myself to the list as it's been about 2 years since last I was an active member. I live in Washington State and passionately collect both minerals and fossils. I have a mineral business, John Cornish Minerals, and I'm active at both the Tucson and the Fall Denver shows, in addition to participating at several local northwest shows and events. I actively share my passion and have presented my Mineral and Fossil talks, "Geology ROCKS!" to nearly 14,000 people now (in fact, I've another talk this evening to 3 High School groups). During my most active field collecting year, I visited 113 localities as either single or repeated visits. To sum it up, I enjoy this hobby of ours intensely! As a way of sharing my passion, I write papers highlighting and detailing the adventures I have in the hopes of inspiring and exciting others to get out more and enjoy the World about us... PASSIONATELY! Following this email will be another mailing which will offer my two newest papers for your hoped for enjoyment. In the two years I've been away from the list, I've written over 20 such papers. Many are posted at the website... http://www.mcrocks.com and can be found in the Field Trip section of this site (incidentally, from my cruising the net, this site has the largest repository of Field Trip papers available anywhere) at... http://www.mcrocks.com/page18.html To find papers I've written, just cruise through the State listings and look for my name (I hope you enjoy!). Well, that's quite a bit for an intro. I look forward to sharing the adventure! Take care everyone and all the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cornish at tfon.com Wed Aug 20 12:29:27 2008 From: cornish at tfon.com (John Cornish) Date: Wed Aug 20 13:48:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] My two newest papers! Message-ID: <020a01c902fb$0f86f740$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Hi Everyone! I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the fun. I've 2 links below which will take you to my newest papers. The first is a report of my recent collecting at Petersen Mountain, Nevada... http://mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishJuly2008.html ... and the second is a late 2007 Denver Show Report... http://mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust2008.html All the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dpowell13 at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 20 19:33:46 2008 From: dpowell13 at rochester.rr.com (Darryl Powell) Date: Wed Aug 20 19:34:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mineral Activity Book: Minerals from China Message-ID: <48ACD40A.1070208@rochester.rr.com> This is an ad: if you don't want it, please delete it now. Otherwise . . . Dear Rockhounds, With the Beijing Olympics in full swing, I thought that you mineral enthusiasts out there might be interested in a mineral coloring/activity booklet about the minerals from China. I have created a 22 page coloring and activity book about minerals from China. If you would make a small deposit to my PayPal account (diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) or send a check ($3 either way), I'll email a copy to you. To be honest, I'm not going to keep track of who pays and who doesn't: I'm going to trust you (which is not hard to do knowing the character of mineral collectors). Email me off-list at diamonddan@rochester.rr.com and I'll email a PDF copy to you as soon as I can. With the purchase you receive permission to make up to 10 copies of the entire booklet. If you are interested in large volume purchases, I can send printed copies to you at 45 cents/copy. Happy Olympic watching to you all! Blessings. Darryl Powell aka Diamond Dan Diamond Dan Publications Manchester, NY From Lapidry at aol.com Wed Aug 20 19:59:10 2008 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 20 19:59:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mineral Activity Book: Minerals from China Message-ID: Darryl Sure, I ask you for an article for the SCRIBE Newsletter and I don't hear back.... Want to write something for the October - December issue? Thanks, Dan In a message dated 8/20/2008 10:34:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dpowell13@rochester.rr.com writes: This is an ad: if you don't want it, please delete it now. Otherwise . . . Dear Rockhounds, With the Beijing Olympics in full swing, I thought that you mineral enthusiasts out there might be interested in a mineral coloring/activity booklet about the minerals from China. I have created a 22 page coloring and activity book about minerals from China. If you would make a small deposit to my PayPal account (diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) or send a check ($3 either way), I'll email a copy to you. To be honest, I'm not going to keep track of who pays and who doesn't: I'm going to trust you (which is not hard to do knowing the character of mineral collectors). Email me off-list at diamonddan@rochester.rr.com and I'll email a PDF copy to you as soon as I can. With the purchase you receive permission to make up to 10 copies of the entire booklet. If you are interested in large volume purchases, I can send printed copies to you at 45 cents/copy. Happy Olympic watching to you all! Blessings. Darryl Powell aka Diamond Dan Diamond Dan Publications Manchester, NY -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 20:03:11 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Aug 20 20:03:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction In-Reply-To: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: Welcome back! I look forward to reading your posts and reports again. Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: cornish@tfon.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:28:54 -0700> Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction> > Hello Everyone,> > I'd like to re-introduce myself to the list as it's been about 2 years since last I was an active member. I live in Washington State and passionately collect both minerals and fossils. I have a mineral business, John Cornish Minerals, and I'm active at both the Tucson and the Fall Denver shows, in addition to participating at several local northwest shows and events. I actively share my passion and have presented my Mineral and Fossil talks, "Geology ROCKS!" to nearly 14,000 people now (in fact, I've another talk this evening to 3 High School groups). During my most active field collecting year, I visited 113 localities as either single or repeated visits.> > To sum it up, I enjoy this hobby of ours intensely! > > As a way of sharing my passion, I write papers highlighting and detailing the adventures I have in the hopes of inspiring and exciting others to get out more and enjoy the World about us... PASSIONATELY! Following this email will be another mailing which will offer my two newest papers for your hoped for enjoyment. In the two years I've been away from the list, I've written over 20 such papers. Many are posted at the website... http://www.mcrocks.com and can be found in the Field Trip section of this site (incidentally, from my cruising the net, this site has the largest repository of Field Trip papers available anywhere) at... http://www.mcrocks.com/page18.html To find papers I've written, just cruise through the State listings and look for my name (I hope you enjoy!).> > Well, that's quite a bit for an intro. I look forward to sharing the adventure! Take care everyone and all the very best,> > John> > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 20:06:19 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed Aug 20 20:06:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member In-Reply-To: <878033.20854.qm@web50101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <878033.20854.qm@web50101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the list! What a great area you are in! I hope to visit the Centralia Fire Region next time I'm in PA. Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:08:23 -0700> From: jar8912@yahoo.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] new member> > Hi > My name is steve > I live in ne. Pa.> Coal Reagen> my interest is Pa. fluorescence > And native point rocks> I possible new mineral to id.> from mine fire redeposited> blue fluorescence and blue phosphorescence> > thanks steve c> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Aug 20 20:12:39 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Aug 20 20:16:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction References: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: Welcome back John! We've been wondering where you've been. John From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Wed Aug 20 20:39:29 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 20 20:42:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction In-Reply-To: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <48ACE371.4090403@hawaiiantel.net> Welcome back, John! We've missed your valuable and well-written contributions! Aloha, Kitty John Cornish wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'd like to re-introduce myself to the list as it's been about 2 years since last I was an active member. I live in Washington State and passionately collect both minerals and fossils. I have a mineral business, John Cornish Minerals, and I'm active at both the Tucson and the Fall Denver shows, in addition to participating at several local northwest shows and events. I actively share my passion and have presented my Mineral and Fossil talks, "Geology ROCKS!" to nearly 14,000 people now (in fact, I've another talk this evening to 3 High School groups). During my most active field collecting year, I visited 113 localities as either single or repeated visits. > > To sum it up, I enjoy this hobby of ours intensely! > > As a way of sharing my passion, I write papers highlighting and detailing the adventures I have in the hopes of inspiring and exciting others to get out more and enjoy the World about us... PASSIONATELY! Following this email will be another mailing which will offer my two newest papers for your hoped for enjoyment. In the two years I've been away from the list, I've written over 20 such papers. Many are posted at the website... http://www.mcrocks.com and can be found in the Field Trip section of this site (incidentally, from my cruising the net, this site has the largest repository of Field Trip papers available anywhere) at... http://www.mcrocks.com/page18.html To find papers I've written, just cruise through the State listings and look for my name (I hope you enjoy!). > > Well, that's quite a bit for an intro. I look forward to sharing the adventure! Take care everyone and all the very best, > > John > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Aug 20 21:02:04 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed Aug 20 21:03:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction References: <020301c902fa$fc4946b0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <001901c90342$b0a09a90$0600a8c0@Montana> John (my John) has asked me at least a 1/2 dozen times in the last 6 months: "What happened to John Cornish?" I suggested he send a message to the list, and now I don't have to suggest that any more - lol. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cornish" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction Hello Everyone, I'd like to re-introduce myself to the list as it's been about 2 years since last I was an active member. I live in Washington State and passionately collect both minerals and fossils. I have a mineral business, John Cornish Minerals, and I'm active at both the Tucson and the Fall Denver shows, in addition to participating at several local northwest shows and events. I actively share my passion and have presented my Mineral and Fossil talks, "Geology ROCKS!" to nearly 14,000 people now (in fact, I've another talk this evening to 3 High School groups). During my most active field collecting year, I visited 113 localities as either single or repeated visits. To sum it up, I enjoy this hobby of ours intensely! As a way of sharing my passion, I write papers highlighting and detailing the adventures I have in the hopes of inspiring and exciting others to get out more and enjoy the World about us... PASSIONATELY! Following this email will be another mailing which will offer my two newest papers for your hoped for enjoyment. In the two years I've been away from the list, I've written over 20 such papers. Many are posted at the website... http://www.mcrocks.com and can be found in the Field Trip section of this site (incidentally, from my cruising the net, this site has the largest repository of Field Trip papers available anywhere) at... http://www.mcrocks.com/page18.html To find papers I've written, just cruise through the State listings and look for my name (I hope you enjoy!). Well, that's quite a bit for an intro. I look forward to sharing the adventure! Take care everyone and all the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mhibberd at netzero.net Thu Aug 21 06:57:09 2008 From: mhibberd at netzero.net (mhibberd@netzero.net) Date: Thu Aug 21 06:58:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rockhounds Message-ID: <20080821.095709.9980.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> My name is Mary Hibberd and my granddaughter is Mary Smith I have been Blessed with the I have never seen an ugly Rock since I was six years old My granddaughter lives with me and is six and shares my love WE ARE THRILLED TO BE A PART OF THIS THANKS M&M south eastern pa ____________________________________________________________ Click for information on obtaining a VA loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tzAqZ4Ic5iNLlxPEas4dBV49dPeSLKYwHgGEDhSYGntRT6P/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From thecrystalcountess at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 08:50:42 2008 From: thecrystalcountess at yahoo.com (rohana contessa) Date: Thu Aug 21 09:01:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate Message-ID: <772781.13731.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello, ? I saw?the posts on the rockhound site about eye agate, and wanted to let you know that I have been a collector of the finest Tibetan eye agate dzi beads for years.? I have several listed for sale in my ebay store.? They took years to collect, and are quite difficult to find.? If you want to take a look, or refer any interested parties, the store address is ? www.ebaystores.com/thecrystalcountess??? Best Regards,? Rohana --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Aug 21 09:15:28 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Thu Aug 21 09:18:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate References: <772781.13731.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c903a9$2b6f4a80$0600a8c0@Montana> Rohana: It's OK to advertise on the list about once a month. However you *must* put [AD] in the post, to allow people to filter out ads who do not wish to see them. Thanks, Julie Siebel Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "rohana contessa" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate Hello, I saw the posts on the rockhound site about eye agate, and wanted to let you know that I have been a collector of the finest Tibetan eye agate dzi beads for years. I have several listed for sale in my ebay store. They took years to collect, and are quite difficult to find. If you want to take a look, or refer any interested parties, the store address is www.ebaystores.com/thecrystalcountess Best Regards, Rohana --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From VevaBailey at aol.com Thu Aug 21 14:00:29 2008 From: VevaBailey at aol.com (VevaBailey@aol.com) Date: Thu Aug 21 14:02:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate Message-ID: Rohana, your beads are beautiful!!! The cost is out of my budget right now, but maybe later. My question is, are the stones mined this way or are they assembled to look like an eye? Looking at the first one on your list with the matrix then jade and red agate/jade the bead looks like it might have been assembled by someone. Would you please tell me more about this bead. They are really awesome and since I create jewelry I will put your addy in my list of favorites and when I sell enough to buy one, I will buy one for myself. LOL I too have an Ebay site. Right now I don't have very much but we are uploading for the Christmas sales. Veva vevabailey@aol.com In a message dated 8/21/2008 9:19:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, julie@pandemoniumgraphics.com writes: Rohana: It's OK to advertise on the list about once a month. However you *must* put [AD] in the post, to allow people to filter out ads who do not wish to see them. Thanks, Julie Siebel Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "rohana contessa" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate Hello, I saw the posts on the rockhound site about eye agate, and wanted to let you know that I have been a collector of the finest Tibetan eye agate dzi beads for years. I have several listed for sale in my ebay store. They took years to collect, and are quite difficult to find. If you want to take a look, or refer any interested parties, the store address is www.ebaystores.com/thecrystalcountess Best Regards, Rohana --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at copper.net Thu Aug 21 17:45:55 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Thu Aug 21 17:45:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate In-Reply-To: <772781.13731.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <772781.13731.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT), rohana contessa wrote: >I saw?the posts on the rockhound site about eye agate You did? I've just searched all of the messages for 2007 and 2008 and found no references to eye agate. Where did you see them? -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From rockhounds at adelphia.net Thu Aug 21 19:47:53 2008 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (rockhounds@adelphia.net) Date: Thu Aug 21 19:51:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re-Introduction Message-ID: <9750273.1219373273102.JavaMail.root@web28> HI John Glad to have you back. Everyone enjoys the ocean fossil you Identified for me in March of 2003 Kelly Hanson ---- John Cornish wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'd like to re-introduce myself to the list as it's been about 2 years since last I was an active member. I live in Washington State and passionately collect both minerals and fossils. I have a mineral business, John Cornish Minerals, and I'm active at both the Tucson and the Fall Denver shows, in addition to participating at several local northwest shows and events. I actively share my passion and have presented my Mineral and Fossil talks, "Geology ROCKS!" to nearly 14,000 people now (in fact, I've another talk this evening to 3 High School groups). During my most active field collecting year, I visited 113 localities as either single or repeated visits. > > To sum it up, I enjoy this hobby of ours intensely! > > As a way of sharing my passion, I write papers highlighting and detailing the adventures I have in the hopes of inspiring and exciting others to get out more and enjoy the World about us... PASSIONATELY! Following this email will be another mailing which will offer my two newest papers for your hoped for enjoyment. In the two years I've been away from the list, I've written over 20 such papers. Many are posted at the website... http://www.mcrocks.com and can be found in the Field Trip section of this site (incidentally, from my cruising the net, this site has the largest repository of Field Trip papers available anywhere) at... http://www.mcrocks.com/page18.html To find papers I've written, just cruise through the State listings and look for my name (I hope you enjoy!). > > Well, that's quite a bit for an intro. I look forward to sharing the adventure! Take care everyone and all the very best, > > John > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu Aug 21 20:12:24 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu Aug 21 20:12:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <20080821.095709.9980.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20080821.095709.9980.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <012001c90404$e6637db0$0400a8c0@LaptopLand1> Welcome Mary Hibberd and Grandaughter! Considering where you live, your perception of beauty in rocks is especially amazing. Aahh, I confess, I grew up in SE Pennsy and looked in vain for nice rocks around Levittown PA for years. Rounded coal in the Delaware River was a big find for us; but in later years, visits to Wissahickon creek, French Creek, Hickory Run were amazing adventures in finding great rocks. Since then, I've learned about Prospect Park, Phoenixville and the amazing array of fossils one can find in Pennsylvania. Of course, that was after I moved away from Pennsy. In any case, I hope you enjoy the Rockhounds forum, may you and your Granddaughter have some terrific rock hunts. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of mhibberd@netzero.net Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:57 AM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rockhounds My name is Mary Hibberd and my granddaughter is Mary Smith I have been Blessed with the I have never seen an ugly Rock since I was six years old My granddaughter lives with me and is six and shares my love WE ARE THRILLED TO BE A PART OF THIS THANKS M&M south eastern pa ____________________________________________________________ Click for information on obtaining a VA loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tzAqZ4Ic5iNLlxPEas4dBV 49dPeSLKYwHgGEDhSYGntRT6P/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Aug 22 03:56:26 2008 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Aug 22 03:56:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Online Mineral Auction... Message-ID: <20080822105627.21211.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all I have been running a weekly auction for almost two years apart from the last three months due to having a back operation followed almost immediately by an emergency gallbladder operation. I am still in recovery and on track to be back at work in another week. I am starting to get back to 'normal' life finally (phew!). The auctions are hosted by OZtion, an Australian auction site (with much lower fees that you know who). If you are interested, I have 5 lots of 10 micros this week and a number of larger specimens from around Australia. The items in this auction will begin at 6pm Sunday Australian Eastern Standard Time (EST) and run for 5 days. If you can't find the items before the start time at http://www.oztion.com.au/buy/auctions.aspx?cat=&type5=crocoite, you will need to scroll through the category at http://www.oztion.com.au/auctions/5741.aspx or else use the RSS feed http://www.oztion.com.au/buy/sellerrss.aspx?username=crocoite (Oh, and if you are interested in teddies, there are a couple of those too). Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ This year's Australasian Mineral Society Seminar is in Tasmania Check details here --> http://www.tasmanianlapidary.org.au/jamss2008.htm From thecrystalcountess at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 05:19:02 2008 From: thecrystalcountess at yahoo.com (rohana contessa) Date: Fri Aug 22 05:19:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <440424.59829.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Veva, ? Thanks for your email.? These eye agates?are found in nature with the colorful banding and concentric rings.. that is what makes them so special.? Tibetan eye agates from the Himalaya mountains are the very best.? Greens within the banding is more unusual, and particularly beautiful, as you saw on my site. ? The best Tibetan eye agates are most often carved and polished into dzi beads (the carving is also sometimes eye shaped), which are highly regarded and sacred personal objects in Tibetan Buddhism. ? I attend the Tucson gem and mineral shows each year, and have been looking for a source.. no luck.. so after years of this, I decided to be a source :)? Best,? Rohana --- On Thu, 8/21/08, VevaBailey@aol.com wrote: From: VevaBailey@aol.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 2:00 PM Rohana, your beads are beautiful!!! The cost is out of my budget right now, but maybe later. My question is, are the stones mined this way or are they assembled to look like an eye? Looking at the first one on your list with the matrix then jade and red agate/jade the bead looks like it might have been assembled by someone. Would you please tell me more about this bead. They are really awesome and since I create jewelry I will put your addy in my list of favorites and when I sell enough to buy one, I will buy one for myself. LOL I too have an Ebay site. Right now I don't have very much but we are uploading for the Christmas sales. Veva vevabailey@aol.com In a message dated 8/21/2008 9:19:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, julie@pandemoniumgraphics.com writes: Rohana: It's OK to advertise on the list about once a month. However you *must* put [AD] in the post, to allow people to filter out ads who do not wish to see them. Thanks, Julie Siebel Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "rohana contessa" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate Hello, I saw the posts on the rockhound site about eye agate, and wanted to let you know that I have been a collector of the finest Tibetan eye agate dzi beads for years. I have several listed for sale in my ebay store. They took years to collect, and are quite difficult to find. If you want to take a look, or refer any interested parties, the store address is www.ebaystores.com/thecrystalcountess Best Regards, Rohana --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Aug 22 08:48:04 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Aug 22 08:48:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Idaho Metamorphics In-Reply-To: <38D065F6922241288878BFCAED3AF231@Notebook> References: <6BD6B693-5F1F-44FC-B62F-7D9517FB15BD@roadrunner.com><362FC844B4DA47B489A646292FA76547@Goldstein><75181263AA71462D928C4E927740AEC3@Notebook><282B48E6-6445-4EC4-9E45-D913E9A5E65F@roadrunner.com> <8E41BFDD00E347D6A791849C476975DF@Notebook> <38D065F6922241288878BFCAED3AF231@Notebook> Message-ID: <48AEDFB4.2040308@verizon.net> John Siebel wrote: > Well, just back from day one of the Idaho Metamorphics fiesta. Have there been any more trip reports, or photos posted, and also coordinates? Thanks, Don From cornish at tfon.com Fri Aug 22 09:13:24 2008 From: cornish at tfon.com (John Cornish) Date: Fri Aug 22 09:13:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you Message-ID: <049e01c90472$09040110$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Hi Everyone, I'd sure like to thank all of you who have written on and off list welcoming me back, what a pleasure to be greeted by so many. I'll try my best to share the adventure and am looking very much forward to the days upcoming. This is a fantastic time to be involved in our hobby! Thanks again everyone! All the very best, John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at copper.net Fri Aug 22 09:19:39 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Aug 22 09:19:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate In-Reply-To: <864201.73505.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <864201.73505.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5dpta4pt6hh0ip8eo34snfdoilnstvdgje@4ax.com> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:26:55 -0700 (PDT), rohana contessa wrote: >Hello Al, >? >I found the posts by accident.. I went to Google and typed in eye agate collectors.. the link was the second one on the list.. let me know if you cant see it.. there were only 2 posts.? Rohana Three, actually, from 2003 :-) Nice that Google indexes the list. Not much information, just a source query. BTW, sorry about the duplicate personal email. For some reason, the Drizzle list puts both addresses in the "Reply To" field, and I always forget to delete one. > >--- On Thu, 8/21/08, Al Balmer wrote: > >From: Al Balmer >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Tibetan eye agate >To: thecrystalcountess@yahoo.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:45 PM > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT), rohana contessa > wrote: > >>I saw?the posts on the rockhound site about eye agate > >You did? I've just searched all of the messages for 2007 and 2008 and >found no references to eye agate. Where did you see them? -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From jbf at jbfminerals.com Fri Aug 22 10:46:18 2008 From: jbf at jbfminerals.com (Jeffrey Fast) Date: Fri Aug 22 10:49:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Ad] Can JBF Minerals get your help viewing some mineral movies? In-Reply-To: <004901c903a9$2b6f4a80$0600a8c0@Montana> References: <772781.13731.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004901c903a9$2b6f4a80$0600a8c0@Montana> Message-ID: <000001c9047e$fc0d4bd0$f427e370$@com> Hi, All! Can a mineral movie make it easier to buy minerals over the internet? Check out the first update to JBF Minerals featuring mineral movies! http://www.jbfminerals.com/php/updates.php I made a lot of changes to the site, so I can use your help. Please let me know if you find any problems. You can email me directly at jbf@jbfminerals.com so the whole list does not have to be bothered. Make sure you check out the instructions --- they will tell you how to move the minerals with your mouse. I will be adding new specimens every two weeks, so check back when you can. You can also subscribe to receive an email alert here: http://www.jbfminerals.com/php/subscribe.php Any feedback / suggestions / advice / bug reports would be much appreciated! Jeff Fast jbf@jbfminerals.com www.jbfminerals.com From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 11:31:17 2008 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scotts Rock & Gem) Date: Fri Aug 22 11:31:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ashwood Oregon Labor Day Rockhounding Message-ID: Hi Rockhounds: Does anyone know if the Labor Day weekend Rockhound gathering is happening in Ashwood, Oregon? I've checked the website maintained by Darrell & Cathy Friend - my email to them bounced, and I left a message on their phone. Just wondering if anyone on the list has had digging experience this current year - I'd be interested to hear how you did, what you recommend, etc. Years ago I dug some really nice thundereggs from Ron Och's Moss Bed. Also, the first year that John Friend's Blue Moon Bed was opened I got some very nice eggs with gray/blue agate and bright orange moss running through them. The next year I made a special appointment to go back and dig, but the eggs were different - mostly solid colored jasper cores. Not as nice. If anyone has any info or recommendations, they can email me at spocksrocks@hotmail.com Thanks very much - Scott Blair --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Fri Aug 22 11:56:59 2008 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Fri Aug 22 12:32:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "OBSCURE" MINERAL NAMES Message-ID: <000001c9048d$d1d4bdd0$554fd0c4@federatiydq01o> Hi list, For the past year or so, I have been checking the mineral data base here at the Museum for the Council of Geoscience in Pretoria, South Africa. What I have been looking at is the correct spelling and validity of the mineral specimen names and localities. As the information on the data base has been transcribed from hand-written catalogue cards, quite a few spelling mistakes do occur. Namr changes of localities, especially in Europe durin the last century also play a great role. Here for example are two cases which have me stumped, despite checking in various mineral publications and atlases:- Einkite, Kurvisk, Kola Peninsula, Russia. Nowhere can I find the name of a mineral "einkite". Possibly it could have been a spelling mistake How about "rinkite"? But a search on mindat.org does not seem to indicate a locality in the Kola Peninsula. Any suggestions? Pyrotrope, Waldheim, Germany. Nowhere can I find a reference to "pyrotrope", not even as a discredited mineral. Any suggestions? At the outset I must state that I work a few hours per week at this Museum as a volunteer, ever since I went on pension in May 1991. The above-mentioned exercise has kept me quite busy; checking through about 20 000 specimens. I have been involved in various projects at the Museum, this being the latest one. For queries relating to some European localities, I have inspanned the help of some mineral collector friends in Germany and Sweden. Any help would be appreciated. Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 12:42:31 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Aug 22 12:43:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rockhounds In-Reply-To: <20080821.095709.9980.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> References: <20080821.095709.9980.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Welcome M&M! :) What fun and OH! What all you can learn here! Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: mhibberd@netzero.net > > My name is Mary Hibberd and my granddaughter is Mary Smith I have been Blessed with the I have never seen an ugly Rock since I was six years old My granddaughter lives with me and is six and shares my love WE ARE THRILLED TO BE A PART OF THIS> THANKS> M&M south eastern pa> ____________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Fri Aug 22 12:59:46 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim) Date: Fri Aug 22 13:11:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ashwood Oregon Labor Day Rockhounding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501c90491$a0dc7020$e2955060$@com> I just talked to Alex McDonald and John Marston today (yes it is a coincidence; the email arrived while I was on the phone with Alex lol). They will be open on Labor Day but I don't know if Darrell will offer camping or not. Alex has a new tube agate bed opened up (it's not really new but when we were there in 1995 he hadn't even scratched it yet) and I hear it's pretty decent material. John has the Cat up at the jasper bed for anyone who wants to get some fresh material. Jim Nartz had the Chief Paulina agate pit open on July 4th but I don't know about Labor Day. I will try to stop by the house this weekend and ask him. Most of the folks in Ashwood will take you out to their beds just about any time if you buy more than a few pounds (I make it worth their time and spend at least $100). The Blue Moon bed was sold to Ron Pamplin and is closed forever, as is Dolly Parton eggs, the original Priday Plume agate, and quite a few unnamed beds on Pony Butte. The best Blue Moon eggs are gone as you found out anyway. Ron Ochs was open on the 4th but generally doesn't want anyone at the Pony Creek egg bed without him there. The gate is locked anyway :) Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Scotts Rock & Gem Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:31 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Ashwood Oregon Labor Day Rockhounding Hi Rockhounds: Does anyone know if the Labor Day weekend Rockhound gathering is happening in Ashwood, Oregon? I've checked the website maintained by Darrell & Cathy Friend - my email to them bounced, and I left a message on their phone. Just wondering if anyone on the list has had digging experience this current year - I'd be interested to hear how you did, what you recommend, etc. Years ago I dug some really nice thundereggs from Ron Och's Moss Bed. Also, the first year that John Friend's Blue Moon Bed was opened I got some very nice eggs with gray/blue agate and bright orange moss running through them. The next year I made a special appointment to go back and dig, but the eggs were different - mostly solid colored jasper cores. Not as nice. If anyone has any info or recommendations, they can email me at spocksrocks@hotmail.com Thanks very much - Scott Blair From jcessna at nist.gov Fri Aug 22 14:11:52 2008 From: jcessna at nist.gov (Jeffrey T. Cessna) Date: Fri Aug 22 14:12:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "OBSCURE" MINERAL NAMES In-Reply-To: <000001c9048d$d1d4bdd0$554fd0c4@federatiydq01o> References: <000001c9048d$d1d4bdd0$554fd0c4@federatiydq01o> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080822165626.0235b7e8@nist.gov> Horst, I had some time to do a random walk through Google... The Mineralogical Society of America Handbook of Mineralogy lists Rinkite in the Kola Peninsula - http://www.handbookofmineralogy.org/pdfs/Rinkite.PDF I also found it interesting that entering einkite gave me a link to a page in Google books clearly saying Einkite, but when I looked at the pdf image of the page the actual word was Rinkite. Do humans make the same mistakes as optical character recognition? Is Pyrotrope perhaps Pyrope found in the serpentine in Waldheim? The following is a quote from http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Serpentine_(Mineral)"In Saxony common serpentine is largely worked at Zoblitz near Marienberg and Waldheim. The rock of Zoblitz, mentioned by G. Agricola in the 16th century, is usually of dull green or brown colour, and frequently contains dark red Bohemian garnet or pyrope." Cheers, -Jeff At 02:56 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: >Hi list, > >For the past year or so, I have been checking the mineral data base >here at the Museum for the Council of Geoscience in Pretoria, South >Africa. What I have been looking at is the correct spelling and >validity of the mineral specimen names and localities. As the >information on the data base has been transcribed from hand-written >catalogue cards, quite a few spelling mistakes do occur. Namr >changes of localities, especially in Europe durin the last century >also play a great role. > >Here for example are two cases which have me stumped, despite >checking in various mineral publications and atlases:- > >Einkite, Kurvisk, Kola Peninsula, Russia. Nowhere can I find the >name of a mineral "einkite". Possibly it could have been a spelling >mistake How about "rinkite"? But a search on mindat.org does not >seem to indicate a locality in the Kola Peninsula. Any suggestions? > >Pyrotrope, Waldheim, Germany. Nowhere can I find a reference to >"pyrotrope", not even as a discredited mineral. Any suggestions? > >At the outset I must state that I work a few hours per week at this >Museum as a volunteer, ever since I went on pension in May 1991. The >above-mentioned exercise has kept me quite busy; checking through >about 20 000 specimens. I have been involved in various projects at >the Museum, this being the latest one. For queries relating to some >European localities, I have inspanned the help of some mineral >collector friends in Germany and Sweden. > >Any help would be appreciated. > >Horst > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Aug 22 17:06:49 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Aug 22 17:10:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "OBSCURE" MINERAL NAMES In-Reply-To: <000001c9048d$d1d4bdd0$554fd0c4@federatiydq01o> Message-ID: <61BBDE16-70A7-11DD-94E7-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> I did a search on Google Books for Einkite and had one hit http://books.google.com/ books?id=bN04AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA285&lpg=PA285&dq=Einkite&source=web&ots=gPcKz Bu6XA&sig=bwG44Slq5yAs2P- nHEdflHvgcE0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result which was Manual of Mineralogy and Petrography?By James Dwight, page 285. The highlighted word on the page showing the search hit was 'Rinkite'. Mindat gives four localities on the Kola Peninsula for Rinkite, but Kirvisk is not one of them. Kreigh On Friday, Aug 22, 2008, at 14:56 America/Detroit, Horst Windisch wrote: > Hi list, > > For the past year or so, I have been checking the mineral data base > here at the Museum for the Council of Geoscience in Pretoria, South > Africa. What I have been looking at is the correct spelling and > validity of the mineral specimen names and localities. As the > information on the data base has been transcribed from hand-written > catalogue cards, quite a few spelling mistakes do occur. Namr changes > of localities, especially in Europe durin the last century also play a > great role. > > Here for example are two cases which have me stumped, despite checking > in various mineral publications and atlases:- > > Einkite, Kurvisk, Kola Peninsula, Russia. Nowhere can I find the name > of a mineral "einkite". Possibly it could have been a spelling mistake > How about "rinkite"? But a search on mindat.org does not seem to > indicate a locality in the Kola Peninsula. Any suggestions? > > Pyrotrope, Waldheim, Germany. Nowhere can I find a reference to > "pyrotrope", not even as a discredited mineral. Any suggestions? > > At the outset I must state that I work a few hours per week at this > Museum as a volunteer, ever since I went on pension in May 1991. The > above-mentioned exercise has kept me quite busy; checking through > about 20 000 specimens. I have been involved in various projects at > the Museum, this being the latest one. For queries relating to some > European localities, I have inspanned the help of some mineral > collector friends in Germany and Sweden. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Horst > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jcessna at nist.gov Fri Aug 22 18:02:01 2008 From: jcessna at nist.gov (Jeffrey T. Cessna) Date: Fri Aug 22 18:02:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "OBSCURE" MINERAL NAMES In-Reply-To: <61BBDE16-70A7-11DD-94E7-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <000001c9048d$d1d4bdd0$554fd0c4@federatiydq01o> <61BBDE16-70A7-11DD-94E7-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080822204440.023b2578@nist.gov> A search on Google Earth gives no Kurvisk, but Kirvisk yields a suggestion of Kirovs'k in the Kola Peninsula. Back at Mindat there is this photo containing Rinkite from the Kirovskii mine. http://www.mindat.org/photo-72736.html Finally, Kirovsk is in the Khibiny massif, a locality listed in the mindat "internet links" "Rincite details from Handbook of Minerology (PDF)" The link I sent in the previous email. Jeff At 08:06 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: >I did a search on Google Books for Einkite and had one hit > >http://books.google.com/ >books?id=bN04AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA285&lpg=PA285&dq=Einkite&source=web&ots=gPcKz >Bu6XA&sig=bwG44Slq5yAs2P- >nHEdflHvgcE0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result > >which was Manual of Mineralogy and Petrography By James Dwight, page >285. The highlighted word on the page showing the search hit was >'Rinkite'. Mindat gives four localities on the Kola Peninsula for >Rinkite, but Kirvisk is not one of them. > >Kreigh > > >On Friday, Aug 22, 2008, at 14:56 America/Detroit, Horst Windisch wrote: > >>Hi list, >> >>For the past year or so, I have been checking the mineral data base >>here at the Museum for the Council of Geoscience in Pretoria, South >>Africa. What I have been looking at is the correct spelling and >>validity of the mineral specimen names and localities. As the >>information on the data base has been transcribed from hand-written >>catalogue cards, quite a few spelling mistakes do occur. Namr changes >>of localities, especially in Europe durin the last century also play a >>great role. >> >>Here for example are two cases which have me stumped, despite checking >>in various mineral publications and atlases:- >> >>Einkite, Kurvisk, Kola Peninsula, Russia. Nowhere can I find the name >>of a mineral "einkite". Possibly it could have been a spelling mistake >>How about "rinkite"? But a search on mindat.org does not seem to >>indicate a locality in the Kola Peninsula. Any suggestions? >> >>Pyrotrope, Waldheim, Germany. Nowhere can I find a reference to >>"pyrotrope", not even as a discredited mineral. Any suggestions? >> >>At the outset I must state that I work a few hours per week at this >>Museum as a volunteer, ever since I went on pension in May 1991. The >>above-mentioned exercise has kept me quite busy; checking through >>about 20 000 specimens. I have been involved in various projects at >>the Museum, this being the latest one. For queries relating to some >>European localities, I have inspanned the help of some mineral >>collector friends in Germany and Sweden. >> >>Any help would be appreciated. >> >>Horst >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jar8912 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 20:09:01 2008 From: jar8912 at yahoo.com (steve chisarick) Date: Fri Aug 22 20:09:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] new member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <75493.69213.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Glenn This rock came from Willkes-Barre Pa. found only one spot of this fluorescence. thanks steve --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > From: Glenn Wimpee > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] new member > To: "rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com" > Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 11:06 PM > Welcome to the list! > > What a great area you are in! > > I hope to visit the Centralia Fire Region next time I'm > in PA. > Glenn > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:08:23 -0700> From: > jar8912@yahoo.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Subject: [Rockhounds] new member> > Hi > My name is > steve > I live in ne. Pa.> Coal Reagen> my interest > is Pa. fluorescence > And native point rocks> I > possible new mineral to id.> from mine fire > redeposited> blue fluorescence and blue > phosphorescence> > thanks steve c> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From picasawebalbums-noreply at google.com Fri Aug 22 22:23:18 2008 From: picasawebalbums-noreply at google.com (Picasa Web Albums) Date: Fri Aug 22 22:23:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Invitation to view Bill's Gallery Message-ID: <0015175cb53a77ed96045519c0f6@google.com> Okay, so I'm trying to share some of the crystal collecting trip photos that I mentioned last week. Picasa was recommended, so I'm trying it. I hope it works. Bill Tompkins http://picasaweb.google.com/BILTOM57 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/jpeg --- From mhibberd at netzero.net Sat Aug 23 05:57:47 2008 From: mhibberd at netzero.net (mhibberd@netzero.net) Date: Sat Aug 23 05:59:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Invitation to view Bill's Gallery Message-ID: <20080823.085747.14320.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com> yes that was wonderful thanks m&m ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the right tools for any job! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4uf84DeioO6tlxVAaMnEi1s0uehyg595xAruWWWzCyhBYaFB/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mhibberd at netzero.net Sat Aug 23 06:12:08 2008 From: mhibberd at netzero.net (mhibberd@netzero.net) Date: Sat Aug 23 06:14:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rockhounds Message-ID: <20080823.091208.14320.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> thank you for the kind welcome....we also have a mining district that stretches from Nottingham,pa down to and including conowingo,MD which is on the Susquehanna ,i can not wait to get to phoenixville area thanks again M&M ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4ua3iytDCxL87Gxv85yBZ1eFMTPudoHqPDeGe9frs1pbni6j/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mhibberd at netzero.net Sat Aug 23 06:16:31 2008 From: mhibberd at netzero.net (mhibberd@netzero.net) Date: Sat Aug 23 06:18:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Rockhounds Message-ID: <20080823.091631.14320.3@webmail06.dca.untd.com> thank you for the nice welcome ,we are happy to be here thanks M&M ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tyyh7PPiGDgW3D1fTfBGAdYeZhlMDexbytEeOEYIbGvAb9t/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Aug 23 10:33:06 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 23 10:33:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Invitation to view Bill's Gallery In-Reply-To: <0015175cb53a77ed96045519c0f6@google.com> References: <0015175cb53a77ed96045519c0f6@google.com> Message-ID: <002d01c90546$4db3d310$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Cool, Bill! The site even allows to choose Dutch as interface language. Good photos too. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Picasa Web Albums > Verzonden: zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 6:23 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Invitation to view Bill's Gallery > > Okay, so I'm trying to share some of the crystal collecting > trip photos that I mentioned last week. Picasa was > recommended, so I'm trying it. I hope it works. > > Bill Tompkins > > http://picasaweb.google.com/BILTOM57 > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > image/gif > image/jpeg > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Aug 23 10:40:19 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Aug 23 10:40:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thank you In-Reply-To: <049e01c90472$09040110$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <049e01c90472$09040110$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <003401c90547$501db1b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > I'd sure like to thank all of you who have written on and off > list welcoming me back, what a pleasure to be greeted by so > many. Many + 1 ... Welcome back John ;-))) >I'll try my best to share the adventure and am looking > very much forward to the days upcoming. We expect nothing less (LOL). Cheers Axel From brenick at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 10:49:54 2008 From: brenick at gmail.com (Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Sat Aug 23 10:59:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Ad] Can JBF Minerals get your help viewing some mineral movies? In-Reply-To: <000001c9047e$fc0d4bd0$f427e370$@com> References: <772781.13731.qm@web52606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <004901c903a9$2b6f4a80$0600a8c0@Montana> <000001c9047e$fc0d4bd0$f427e370$@com> Message-ID: <97175ae90808231049n2e50e963lc378b88d16e7d0f7@mail.gmail.com> wow, I really like it...can't hurt sales, I would think it would help! On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Jeffrey Fast wrote: > Hi, All! > > Can a mineral movie make it easier to buy minerals over the internet? > Check > out the first update to JBF Minerals featuring mineral movies! > > http://www.jbfminerals.com/php/updates.php > > I made a lot of changes to the site, so I can use your help. Please let me > know if you find any problems. You can email me directly at > jbf@jbfminerals.com so the whole list does not have to be bothered. Make > sure you check out the instructions --- they will tell you how to move the > minerals with your mouse. > > I will be adding new specimens every two weeks, so check back when you can. > You can also subscribe to receive an email alert here: > > http://www.jbfminerals.com/php/subscribe.php > > Any feedback / suggestions / advice / bug reports would be much > appreciated! > > Jeff Fast > > jbf@jbfminerals.com > www.jbfminerals.com > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 08:24:28 2008 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sun Aug 24 08:30:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bill's excellent pictures! Message-ID: <359488.78701.qm@web56301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hey Bill, Very good photos of your collecting trip.? You guys obviously got WAY UP into the back country! Next time, post some close ups of the keeper rocks!? Please?! Thanks again, JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 11:22:49 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 24 11:26:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rock Pics (was: new member) In-Reply-To: <75493.69213.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <75493.69213.qm@web50111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, Did you post a picture of the rock? The list software deletes pictures in the messages, so you have to post pics elsewhere and send the link to the list so we can access them. I'd like to see it. Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:09:01 -0700> From: jar8912@yahoo.com> > Hi Glenn> This rock came from Willkes-Barre Pa.> found only one spot of this fluorescence.> thanks steve> > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, Glenn Wimpee wrote:> > > Welcome to the list!> > > > What a great area you are in!> > > > I hope to visit the Centralia Fire Region next time I'm in PA. > > Glenn > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:08:23 -0700> From:> > jar8912@yahoo.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Hi > My name is steve > I live in ne. Pa.> Coal Reagen> my interest> > is Pa. fluorescence > And native point rocks> I possible new mineral to id.> from mine fire> > redeposited> blue fluorescence and blue phosphorescence> > thanks steve c --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 11:33:51 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 24 11:39:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: photos In-Reply-To: <082320081610.4481.48B0366E000C691D0000118122073007930C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> References: <082320081610.4481.48B0366E000C691D0000118122073007930C0C0C0C9C0207059F03019B0404070D@comcast.net> Message-ID: These are super! And I wanna go there! Thanks! Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me From: billtompkinscccc@comcast.netTo: pawpawtiger@hotmail.comSubject: photosDate: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:10:22 +0000 Glenn- I hope those were the photos you wanted to see. If not, let me know. Bill Tompkins --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Aug 24 09:52:18 2008 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Aug 24 11:39:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "OBSCURE" MINERAL NAMES References: <000001c9048d$d1d4bdd0$554fd0c4@federatiydq01o><61BBDE16-70A7-11DD-94E7-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20080822204440.023b2578@nist.gov> Message-ID: <000101c90618$8d7d7140$b24cd0c4@federatiydq01o> Hi Jeff, Kreigh and J?rgen, (and possibly others who have replied later) Thanks very much for apparently clearing up these two "problem"names.. It now seems safe to assume that in the case of "EINKITE" it is now RINKITE. The locality is most probably Kirovsk. I myself made a spelling mistake when I quoted Kurvisk (in my original notes it was spelt as Kurvosk) As far as the "pyrotrope" is concerned, it looks likely to be "pyrope", an answer I also received from a mineral collector friend of mine in Germany - Karl Kl?nhardt (who also confirmed the locality) and also gave me a description of the mineral. This I will still have to check out physically, as I was only working from the index card, without having the mineral specimen in front of me. Thanks a lot for going to this trouble - I know from experience that most "rockhounds" are a very helpful bunch of people. Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey T. Cessna" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] "OBSCURE" MINERAL NAMES >A search on Google Earth gives no Kurvisk, but Kirvisk yields a suggestion >of Kirovs'k in the Kola Peninsula. > > Back at Mindat there is this photo containing Rinkite from the Kirovskii > mine. http://www.mindat.org/photo-72736.html > > Finally, Kirovsk is in the Khibiny massif, a locality listed in the mindat > "internet links" "Rincite details from Handbook of Minerology (PDF)" The > link I sent in the previous email. > > Jeff > > > At 08:06 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: >>I did a search on Google Books for Einkite and had one hit >> >>http://books.google.com/ >>books?id=bN04AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA285&lpg=PA285&dq=Einkite&source=web&ots=gPcKz >>Bu6XA&sig=bwG44Slq5yAs2P- >>nHEdflHvgcE0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result >> >>which was Manual of Mineralogy and Petrography By James Dwight, page >>285. The highlighted word on the page showing the search hit was >>'Rinkite'. Mindat gives four localities on the Kola Peninsula for >>Rinkite, but Kirvisk is not one of them. >> >>Kreigh >> >> >>On Friday, Aug 22, 2008, at 14:56 America/Detroit, Horst Windisch wrote: >> >>>Hi list, >>> >>>For the past year or so, I have been checking the mineral data base >>>here at the Museum for the Council of Geoscience in Pretoria, South >>>Africa. What I have been looking at is the correct spelling and >>>validity of the mineral specimen names and localities. As the >>>information on the data base has been transcribed from hand-written >>>catalogue cards, quite a few spelling mistakes do occur. Namr changes >>>of localities, especially in Europe durin the last century also play a >>>great role. >>> >>>Here for example are two cases which have me stumped, despite checking >>>in various mineral publications and atlases:- >>> >>>Einkite, Kurvisk, Kola Peninsula, Russia. Nowhere can I find the name >>>of a mineral "einkite". Possibly it could have been a spelling mistake >>>How about "rinkite"? But a search on mindat.org does not seem to >>>indicate a locality in the Kola Peninsula. Any suggestions? >>> >>>Pyrotrope, Waldheim, Germany. Nowhere can I find a reference to >>>"pyrotrope", not even as a discredited mineral. Any suggestions? >>> >>>At the outset I must state that I work a few hours per week at this >>>Museum as a volunteer, ever since I went on pension in May 1991. The >>>above-mentioned exercise has kept me quite busy; checking through >>>about 20 000 specimens. I have been involved in various projects at >>>the Museum, this being the latest one. For queries relating to some >>>European localities, I have inspanned the help of some mineral >>>collector friends in Germany and Sweden. >>> >>>Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>>Horst >>> >>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>>--- >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:32 PM > > > From DrkHorse42 at aol.com Sun Aug 24 15:25:17 2008 From: DrkHorse42 at aol.com (DrkHorse42@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 24 15:25:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] ; Molecules -Minerals with Silly or Unusual Names Message-ID: Thought some of the stonedogs might find this interesting _Click here: Molecules -Minerals with Silly or Unusual Names_ (http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/silly/sillymols.htm) or here;_http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/sillymolecules/sillymols.htm_ (http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/sillymolecules/sillymols.htm) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rudy1 at peak.org Sun Aug 24 20:56:39 2008 From: rudy1 at peak.org (rudy) Date: Sun Aug 24 20:56:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] change in e-mail address Message-ID: <48B22D77.9080801@peak.org> My e-mail address has changed to rudy8967@comcast.net - formerly was rudy1@peak.org thank you From steve at lubbs.net Mon Aug 25 15:46:32 2008 From: steve at lubbs.net (Steve) Date: Mon Aug 25 15:50:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member from Colorado Message-ID: <48B33648.8000102@lubbs.net> Hi Folks, I'm Steve Lubbs. I live in Northern Colorado and am a member of the Flatirons Mineral Club and the Western Interior Paleontology Society. I also am working on a paleontology certificate from the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. I'm interested in all things geological and paleontological though lately Ive been focusing more on paleontology. Recent additions to my collections have been leaves and insects from the eocene Green River Frm, trilobites (actually trilo-bits since I haven't found a complete one yet), brachiopods, and cystoids from the early Ordivician Manitou Frm, and a sharks tooth and crinoid bits and pieces from the Pennsylvanian Minturn Frm. Regards, Steve From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Aug 25 18:20:44 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Aug 25 18:25:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member from Colorado References: <48B33648.8000102@lubbs.net> Message-ID: It's good to hear from a Colorado fossil collector who likes Paleozoic stuff! Most of the people I have talked to collect out of the Meso- or Cenozoic. My only attempt at looking for Paleozoic fossils 21 years ago was less that fruitful. But it was my honeymoon and we roamed a good chunk of the state over a couple of weeks. We did collect a lot of minerals. My wife's lungs cannot handle high elevations for an extended period, so I am not sure when I'll be able to roam the state in the future. You should join the Paleo List, too. It is a group of fossil enthusiasts. http://two.pairlist.net/mailman/options/paleolist/ Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: "RockHounds" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member from Colorado > Hi Folks, > I'm Steve Lubbs. I live in Northern Colorado and am a member of the > Flatirons Mineral Club and the Western Interior Paleontology Society. I > also am working on a paleontology certificate from the Denver Museum of > Nature and Science. I'm interested in all things geological and > paleontological though lately Ive been focusing more on paleontology. > Recent additions to my collections have been leaves and insects from the > eocene Green River Frm, trilobites (actually trilo-bits since I haven't > found a complete one yet), brachiopods, and cystoids from the early > Ordivician Manitou Frm, and a sharks tooth and crinoid bits and pieces > from the Pennsylvanian Minturn Frm. > > Regards, > Steve > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Mon Aug 25 19:13:36 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Mon Aug 25 19:15:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member from Colorado References: <48B33648.8000102@lubbs.net> Message-ID: <608C984B299F4339A3E1841E2A52FB18@Notebook> Welcome to the list Steve. You're among good folks. John From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Aug 25 20:12:41 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Aug 25 20:16:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] change in e-mail address In-Reply-To: <48B22D77.9080801@peak.org> Message-ID: Rudy, If you go to the "Subscription Services" link appended to every list message you can change your own email address. Kreigh On Sunday, Aug 24, 2008, at 23:56 America/Detroit, rudy wrote: > My e-mail address has changed to rudy8967@comcast.net - formerly > was rudy1@peak.org > > thank you > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Aug 26 13:24:42 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Aug 26 13:24:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Fun Message-ID: <000001c907b9$c6355d20$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Bill Tompkins is right. This is a fun way to share pics. http://picasaweb.google.com/fluospook/FunPics Cheers Axel --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 26 15:45:08 2008 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:49:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [Ad] Can JBF Minerals get your help viewing some mineral movies? In-Reply-To: <97175ae90808231049n2e50e963lc378b88d16e7d0f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424329.7808.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You should place two photos side by side, one rotated one click from the other. Crosseye stereo 3D movies! Brenda Van Dyke wrote: wow, I really like it...can't hurt sales, I would think it would help! On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Jeffrey Fast wrote: > Hi, All! > > Can a mineral movie make it easier to buy minerals over the internet? > Check > out the first update to JBF Minerals featuring mineral movies! > > http://www.jbfminerals.com/php/updates.php > > I made a lot of changes to the site, so I can use your help. Please let me > know if you find any problems. You can email me directly at > jbf@jbfminerals.com so the whole list does not have to be bothered. Make > sure you check out the instructions --- they will tell you how to move the > minerals with your mouse. > > I will be adding new specimens every two weeks, so check back when you can. > You can also subscribe to receive an email alert here: > > http://www.jbfminerals.com/php/subscribe.php > > Any feedback / suggestions / advice / bug reports would be much > appreciated! > > Jeff Fast > > jbf@jbfminerals.com > www.jbfminerals.com > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From DrkHorse42 at aol.com Tue Aug 26 16:31:17 2008 From: DrkHorse42 at aol.com (DrkHorse42@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 26 16:30:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals Message-ID: _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-no rth-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.htmlTelegraph_ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compass es.html) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Tue Aug 26 18:52:12 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Tue Aug 26 18:52:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kentucky Mineral Symposium Nov. 1 & 2 Message-ID: <517E829909EC4ED49AAF2C8D6B1C4242@Goldstein> I am working with several others in conjunction with the Midwest Chapter of the Friends of Mineralogy to organize a two day symposium focusing on the history, geology and mineralogy of the Central Kentucky Mineral District on Nov. 1 & 2. While not as famous as the IL-KY district, this part of central Kentucky has been a mineral producer since the War of 1812. Several hundred mines have produced varying amounts of barite, calcite, fluorite, galena and sphalerite as well as less common secondary minerals in the past 196 years. The symposium will be based at Historic Shaker Village near Harrodsburg, Kentucky (which has a large calcite mine on its property). It will include two days of field excursions and an evening banquet with more than a half-dozen speakers. The registration fee is $50 which includes a color symposium guidebook (with contributions by the speakers), transportation to the sites, and lunches on both days. This generous package is sponsored by WMB Engineering, the Kentucky Geological Survey and the Kentucky Crushed Stone Association, respectively. This is also the first symposium for this mineral district that has ever been held that is geared for the non-professional geologist / rock hound. I believe the program will be of the highest caliber! It is certainly the greatest bargain you'll ever find. Registration is limited to only 50 people. If you are interested in additional information and the registration application, please reply to me (deepskyspy@insightbb.com) and not the list. Regards, Alan Goldstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Aug 26 19:30:24 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Aug 26 19:30:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1ABD2810-73E0-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Yes, it has recently been found that cows sense the Earth's magnetic field and prefer to orient facing north. Here is another link to the story http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm BTW, if you are going into the wilderness, you might want to take along a compass you can eat if things get desperate. ;-} OT: Do cows in the southern hemisphere face south? Cows also seem to be sensitive to ground currents. Milk production drops off, and the cows tend to get sick. Current changes and transients also produce behavior changes. http://www.sncmfg.com/telecom/stray_voltage/dahlberg.html One of the known precursors of earthquakes is ground currents. It makes me wonder if we could beef up our ability to sense earthquake precursors by turning dairy farms into detector farms? Can anyone report on what a herd heard before a local earthquake? Kreigh On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2008, at 19:31 America/Detroit, DrkHorse42@aol.com wrote: > _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows- > point-no > rth-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.htmlTelegraph_ > (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows- > point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compass > es.html) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 20:18:41 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:18:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member from Colorado In-Reply-To: <48B33648.8000102@lubbs.net> References: <48B33648.8000102@lubbs.net> Message-ID: Please accept a globally warm welcome from one fossil nut to another! Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:46:32 -0600> From: steve@lubbs.net> Subject: [Rockhounds] New Member from Colorado> > Hi Folks,> I'm Steve Lubbs. I live in Northern Colorado and am a member of the > Flatirons Mineral Club and the Western Interior Paleontology Society. I > also am working on a paleontology certificate from the Denver Museum of > Nature and Science. I'm interested in all things geological and > paleontological though lately Ive been focusing more on paleontology. > Recent additions to my collections have been leaves and insects from the > eocene Green River Frm, trilobites (actually trilo-bits since I haven't > found a complete one yet), brachiopods, and cystoids from the early > Ordivician Manitou Frm, and a sharks tooth and crinoid bits and pieces > from the Pennsylvanian Minturn Frm.> > Regards,> Steve> -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue Aug 26 20:34:28 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:39:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think more study is needed over a broader sample of bovines. IMHO most grazers feed facing into the wind. This keeps the methane away from their olfactory end. Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: DrkHorse42@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:31:17 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals> _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.htmlTelegraph_ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.html) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 04:33:11 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Aug 27 04:33:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know if you fellows read the same article, but the one I read said that 1) They did all this from aerial shots and couldn't tell which end was facing north, only that the critters were aligned north-south 2) They know about the wind alignment affect and controlled for that. 3) They were finding about 60% of the cows aligned n-s which is higher than random but not overwhelmingly so I did not see anything that gave what heading variation they considered to to qualify the critters for n-s alignment. My first thought was that the critters may be aligning themselves perpendicular to the sun which would roughly align them n-s. BK On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > I think more study is needed over a broader sample of bovines. > > IMHO most grazers feed facing into the wind. This keeps the methane away > from their olfactory end. > Glenn > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > > > From: DrkHorse42@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:31:17 -0400> > Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals> _ > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.htmlTelegraph_ ( > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.html > ) > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- -- "The thunderbolt falls on an inch of ground; but the light of it fills the horizon." Ralph Waldo Emerson J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From markstanley at bellnet.ca Wed Aug 27 15:02:11 2008 From: markstanley at bellnet.ca (Mark Stanley) Date: Wed Aug 27 15:03:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes Message-ID: <028f01c90890$8f28d320$0f95d1d8@b1quvu32> Dear Kreigh: Yes cows are very sensitive to low level electrical currents. On our dairy farm we normally have about 6 volts floating around through our milking equipment and water supply. Actually it is everywhere, but it is easily transfered to the cows through liquid. We have a special filter that lowers it to less than 2 volts which makes it somewhat tolerable. One of the reasons cattle are sensitive to low level ground currents is because they are conected to the ground by four feet with out the insulating benefit of rubber or leather soled shoes. I do not have any experience with earthquakes, but I have seen cows affected by an approaching thunderstorm. Normally they want to get out of the heavy rains and will quite happily enter the barn at milking time if a storm is present or approaching. A couple of times they have refused to enter, turned and ran to the far end of the pasture just minutes before the barn was struck by lightning. Then running back to the barn and entering. Also if they are in the barn and a storm approaches, they will get very agitated and uneasy just before any close strikes. Perhaps it has something to do with the electrical charge that builds up on the earth prior to a strike. I have seen some very amazing results of lightning strikes, as a result I collect Fulgurites. Mark Stanley Norwood, Ontario Canada --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Wed Aug 27 15:05:59 2008 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed Aug 27 15:10:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes In-Reply-To: <200808271604523.SM02452@rv-out-0708.google.com> References: <200808271604523.SM02452@rv-out-0708.google.com> Message-ID: <48B5CFC7.8010002@arczip.com> Mark: Can your cows predict winning lotto numbers? Just an idea. Chuck Baran Mark Stanley wrote: >Dear Kreigh: > >Yes cows are very sensitive to low level electrical currents. On our dairy farm we normally have about 6 volts floating around through our milking equipment and water supply. Actually it is everywhere, but it is easily transfered to the cows through liquid. We have a special filter that lowers it to less than 2 volts which makes it somewhat tolerable. > >One of the reasons cattle are sensitive to low level ground currents is because they are conected to the ground by four feet with out the insulating benefit of rubber or leather soled shoes. > >I do not have any experience with earthquakes, but I have seen cows affected by an approaching thunderstorm. Normally they want to get out of the heavy rains and will quite happily enter the barn at milking time if a storm is present or approaching. A couple of times they have refused to enter, turned and ran to the far end of the pasture just minutes before the barn was struck by lightning. Then running back to the barn and entering. Also if they are in the barn and a storm approaches, they will get very agitated and uneasy just before any close strikes. Perhaps it has something to do with the electrical charge that builds up on the earth prior to a strike. > >I have seen some very amazing results of lightning strikes, as a result I collect Fulgurites. > >Mark Stanley >Norwood, Ontario >Canada > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From cornish at tfon.com Wed Aug 27 15:36:42 2008 From: cornish at tfon.com (John Cornish) Date: Wed Aug 27 15:35:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington Message-ID: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Hi Everyone, I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the adventure of collecting at our Big Chief claim. I hope you enjoy! All the very best, John http://www.mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust08.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Wed Aug 27 15:38:09 2008 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed Aug 27 15:42:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington In-Reply-To: <200808271635497.SM01420@rv-out-0708.google.com> References: <200808271635497.SM01420@rv-out-0708.google.com> Message-ID: <48B5D751.5080807@arczip.com> Thanks, John. Any more details? What about the "key" for the gate? It looks like a wonderful place, even without the rocks. Chuck Baran John Cornish wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the adventure of collecting at our Big Chief claim. I hope you enjoy! > >All the very best, > >John > >http://www.mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust08.html > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Aug 27 15:54:35 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Aug 27 15:56:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes References: <028f01c90890$8f28d320$0f95d1d8@b1quvu32> Message-ID: <3E636F23B4C84AF4B6807D245E4992EA@Notebook> Mark, Nice job turning this thread back around to rockhounding! Not that I'm overly concerned when things go vaguely of-topic, but Julie turned my attention to how well you segued. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stanley" I have seen some very amazing results of lightning strikes, as a result I collect Fulgurites. From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Aug 27 16:04:37 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (marilyn travis) Date: Wed Aug 27 16:05:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Crazy Cows point north [AD] References: Message-ID: <005901c90899$4aad2710$799d324a@marilyn> I think they were in a computer punch card code array talking to the aliens with on off computer codes like the matrix. Yea thats the Ticket. any one got a picture I think we could use the picture to read the code. John aren't you a computer wizard/code guy? Yea I'm kidding just thought I'd pop in from the desert and say I am buying 11,000 lb of Alpine Agate (plume Pom Pom flower garden etc. material. Anyone interested. I got PLENTY Steve. OH yea I agree with that Ofactory allighnemnt thing too being a Cowboy and all. You don't want to be on the wrong end of a smoke pole if you know what I mean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals >> >> >> >> EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me >> >> > ) >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > > -- > -- > > "The thunderbolt falls on an inch of ground; but the light of it fills the > horizon." > > Ralph Waldo Emerson > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed Aug 27 16:08:13 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Wed Aug 27 16:09:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington References: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <7F194EA267314B6B96E09C1F94ED0A38@Notebook> Oh John...What fun!!! Good to have you back. John From gregaweis at msn.com Wed Aug 27 17:05:20 2008 From: gregaweis at msn.com (GREGORY WEISBROD) Date: Wed Aug 27 17:05:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is an interesting proposition from the point of view of an armchair scientist. This is also why publishing one's studies for peer review is part of the process. I believe small magnets attached to migratory birds did not prevent them from making their appointed rounds. A similar disturbing effect from the common cow magnet would likely not be significant. In "Huckleberry Finn" the lady attempts to penetrate Huck's disguise with the "cows all facing the same way" question. He, of course, answered "correctly." Maybe herd beasts are not comfortable except when aligned. As to orientation, most likely the animals are facing so as to keep the sun out of their eyes or to present less area to the sun while they are digesting. A neat geologic tie in to extreme migratory patterns over ages of time is the idea of continental drift. "Ever notice how this trip seems farther every year?" > From: DrkHorse42@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:31:17 -0400> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows point north thanks to magnetite crystals> > _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-no> rth-thanks-to-in-built-compasses.htmlTelegraph_ > (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2623809/Cows-point-north-thanks-to-in-built-compass> es.html) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Wed Aug 27 17:10:28 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Aug 27 17:10:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington In-Reply-To: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <48B5ECF4.6090505@hawaiiantel.net> Great pictures and descriptions, John. It's great to have you back. BTW, when you wrote that Keith hit a deer but fortunately he wasn't hurt, do you mean Keith wasn't hurt, or the deer? Aloha, Kitty John Cornish wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the adventure of collecting at our Big Chief claim. I hope you enjoy! > > All the very best, > > John > > http://www.mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust08.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Aug 28 07:57:43 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Aug 28 07:57:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington In-Reply-To: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <002b01c9091e$6d05b810$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Ever higher indeed! Good reading John! (I actually broke a sweat ;-))) Thanks for sharing. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens John Cornish > Verzonden: woensdag 27 augustus 2008 23:37 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington > > Hi Everyone, > > I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the > adventure of collecting at our Big Chief claim. I hope you enjoy! > > All the very best, > > John > > http://www.mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust08.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Aug 28 08:07:24 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Aug 28 08:07:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes In-Reply-To: <48B5CFC7.8010002@arczip.com> References: <200808271604523.SM02452@rv-out-0708.google.com> <48B5CFC7.8010002@arczip.com> Message-ID: <002c01c9091f$c74035c0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Here's my two cents: Cows have learned to predict earthquakes and flee from them because buttering is MUCH more painful than milking (from the bovine standpoint). Cows have learned to turn there behind into the wind for the same reason that we put milk in the fridge. I have heard farmers claim that cows are intelligent enough to listen to their owner when he calls their names. It is also said that cows that stand with their behind turned into gale-force wind do NOT come when the farmer calls them. Too much green stuff has blown in their ears, apparently. Cheers Axel From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Aug 28 20:25:55 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Aug 28 20:26:01 2008 Subject: [OT]: Re: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes In-Reply-To: <002c01c9091f$c74035c0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <30BA454B-757A-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, I should have known you would horn in and churn out a response that should render further posts on this topic udderly useless. Cheers! Kreigh On Thursday, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:07 America/Detroit, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Here's my two cents: > > Cows have learned to predict earthquakes and flee from them because > buttering is MUCH more painful than milking (from the bovine > standpoint). > > Cows have learned to turn there behind into the wind for the same > reason > that we put milk in the fridge. I have heard farmers claim that cows > are > intelligent enough to listen to their owner when he calls their names. > It is > also said that cows that stand with their behind turned into > gale-force wind > do NOT come when the farmer calls them. Too much green stuff has blown > in > their ears, apparently. > > Cheers > Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu Aug 28 21:34:37 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu Aug 28 21:34:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area Message-ID: <572257.41793.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very nice pictures. Teri Jetter ----- Original Message ---- From: "Pmodreski@aol.com" To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:18:28 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Trip Report - Denver Area Hi again, to Glenn and to the List, You all (I'm soundin' southern here) can check a link to a slide show from this little field trip, and see Kreigh & me & all the gang, at _http://picasaweb.google.com/Pete3555/RockStuffWithKreighHisFamily_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/Pete3555/RockStuffWithKreighHisFamily) (I didn't take any closeup pictures of the ilsemannite or the asphalt seep, though) cheers to all, Pete **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Aug 29 03:03:06 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Aug 29 03:06:18 2008 Subject: [OT]: Re: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes In-Reply-To: <30BA454B-757A-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <002c01c9091f$c74035c0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <30BA454B-757A-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000b01c909be$6efc6240$6401a8c0@AxelHP> "Udderly" ... How poetic, Kreigh! I'm a (bovine) titsy-bitsy jeaoulous that I didn't think of that. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 4:26 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: [OT]: Re: [Rockhounds] Cows & earthquakes > > Axel, > > I should have known you would horn in and churn out a > response that should render further posts on this topic > udderly useless. > > Cheers! > > Kreigh > > > > On Thursday, Aug 28, 2008, at 11:07 America/Detroit, Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > > Here's my two cents: > > > > Cows have learned to predict earthquakes and flee from them because > > buttering is MUCH more painful than milking (from the bovine > > standpoint). > > > > Cows have learned to turn there behind into the wind for the same > > reason that we put milk in the fridge. I have heard farmers > claim that > > cows are intelligent enough to listen to their owner when he calls > > their names. > > It is > > also said that cows that stand with their behind turned into > > gale-force wind do NOT come when the farmer calls them. Too > much green > > stuff has blown in their ears, apparently. > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From cornish at tfon.com Fri Aug 29 08:51:04 2008 From: cornish at tfon.com (John Cornish) Date: Fri Aug 29 09:00:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] A Big Chief Thank You! Message-ID: <006501c909ef$0b809660$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Hi Chuck, John, Kitty and Axel, Thanks so much for taking the time to write. I really appreciate it. I enjoy getting out and it's fun to share the story. I know I very much enjoy these types of papers myself and look forward to the times when others share their digging adventures. It's a wonderful World out there and we're all blessed that we've found this great side of it to enjoy! Take care and all the very best, John Hi Everyone, I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the adventure of collecting at our Big Chief claim. I hope you enjoy! All the very best, John http://www.mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust08.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Aug 29 22:53:21 2008 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Aug 29 22:53:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: 2009 Mineral Calendar... Message-ID: <20080830055321.15633.qmail@webmachine101.com> Minerals from France. Available for $US12.95 from http://www.lulu.com/smartarts Regards Steve Looking for a 2009 mineral calendar? Check this one out - http://www.lulu.com/smartarts Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ This year's Australasian Mineral Society Seminar is in Tasmania Check details here --> http://www.tasmanianlapidary.org.au/jamss2008.htm From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 06:56:42 2008 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Aug 30 06:58:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] 3 with one Blow! Message-ID: <758940.80102.qm@web56302.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Kreigh, 3 in one sentence!? Argh, I'm melting, I'm melting!? And Axel, doing it in your fourth language!? Or 5th, who's counting.? I'll bet you guys crack conglomerates with one Pun!? (There, now it's on-topic!) I love you guys!? Thanks for all the nuts! JR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cornish at tfon.com Sat Aug 30 09:05:27 2008 From: cornish at tfon.com (John Cornish) Date: Sat Aug 30 09:07:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver Show Invitation Message-ID: <011e01c90aba$3852b8f0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Denver Fall Show 2008! Hi Everyone, Just a quick note, an invitation actually. I'll soon be out the door and would like to invite all of you to come visit as I participate in this year's spectacular Denver Show. I'll be there from September 7th through September 13th, in my room, number 107, at the Holiday Inn. Highlighting this year's displays, it is our privilege to exclusively offer the Collection of Bob Hopper. Bob is the owner of the World famous Bunker Hill Mine of Kellogg, Idaho. Our display of this mine's incredible Pyromorphite specimens will be truly inspiring and our most ambitious offering at this show. You will be truly amazed! In addition, we'll also have a stellar selection of U.S. and World specimens which will be additionally accompanied by a select offering of wholesale and retail specimens from our Rat's Nest Mine. This is going to be an incredible show and I can hardly wait! I'll keep the display lights lit and will have a smile ready when you arrive! All the very best everyone, be safe in your travels! John --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sicree at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 19:04:30 2008 From: sicree at verizon.net (Sicree, Andrew, Ph.D.) Date: Sat Aug 30 18:44:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil dragonflies In-Reply-To: <200808310102.m7V121sC016504@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Anyone know of any locations for fossil dragonflies in the Eastern USA Andrew Sicree From jbf at jbfminerals.com Sat Aug 30 21:36:07 2008 From: jbf at jbfminerals.com (Jeffrey Fast) Date: Sat Aug 30 21:45:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Who is the quickest field collector on the planet? In-Reply-To: <011e01c90aba$3852b8f0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <011e01c90aba$3852b8f0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: <005501c90b23$178801c0$46980540$@com> Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the quickest field collector of them all? Why, Jeff Fast of course. And you can watch him collect a Herkimer pocket here: http://jbfminerals.com/php/herk.php It can take a little while to load. Enjoy! Jeff From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 31 08:14:49 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun Aug 31 08:17:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] My Personal Collection References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com><000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> <000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> As an active mineral collector, and like all of us, there is nothing I like better to do than to see, and talk about minerals! Since I have recently made some additions to my personal web site, I would like to invite members to see the result of what 50 years of digging, buying (on a modest budget), and especially trading of minerals can do. I am an advocate of trading, and still exchange by mail and in person regularly. I strongly urge all collectors to contact others, and take advantage of swapping your extras to others who may not have the opportunity to get them otherwise. There are not many swap meets these days, but the Internet is a great avenue to explore, and friendly collectors all over the world are lurking there. It is easy to exchange photos, and with an honest effort, you can easily contact collectors anywhere. By doing so, you will not only enhance your own collection, you will spread the fascination and enjoyment of minerals to others. You may also be as lucky as I have been, to gain the friendship of others which will enrich your life in many unexpected and serendipitous ways! Good Collecting............. Larry Rush Guilford, CT http://MyMinerals.homestead.com/ From jbf at jbfminerals.com Sun Aug 31 09:12:09 2008 From: jbf at jbfminerals.com (Jeffrey Fast) Date: Sun Aug 31 09:15:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] My Personal Collection In-Reply-To: <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com><000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> <000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000f01c90b84$52b56ce0$f82046a0$@com> Larry, I am almost 100% sure that the two yellow beryls you have in your Connecticut section are from Slocum Quarry, East Hampton, CT, not from Haddam, CT. Jeff From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 14:11:19 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 31 14:11:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington In-Reply-To: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> References: <029401c90895$61428af0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> Message-ID: What a great trip, only to be topped by your great report including suprer pics and sharing it with us Thanks loads! Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: cornish@tfon.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:36:42 -0700> Subject: [Rockhounds] Big Chief, King County, Washington> > Hi Everyone,> > I'd like to invite you to come along and share in the adventure of collecting at our Big Chief claim. I hope you enjoy! > > All the very best,> > John > http://www.mcrocks.com/ftr08-3/CornishAugust08.html> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 16:05:57 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:06:01 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Who is the quickest field collector on the planet? In-Reply-To: <005501c90b23$178801c0$46980540$@com> References: <011e01c90aba$3852b8f0$54127118@D1Y2LBC1> <005501c90b23$178801c0$46980540$@com> Message-ID: Neat, reminds me of the "Flash" from the old comics. Nice dig! Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: jbf@jbfminerals.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:36:07 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] Who is the quickest field collector on the planet?> > Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the quickest field collector of them all?> > Why, Jeff Fast of course. And you can watch him collect a Herkimer pocket> here:> > http://jbfminerals.com/php/herk.php> > > It can take a little while to load.> > Enjoy!> > Jeff > > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Aug 31 16:07:58 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:08:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] My Personal Collection In-Reply-To: <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com><000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush> <000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> Message-ID: Museums should be envious! Glenn EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOODJoin me > From: larryrush@worldnet.att.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:14:49 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] My Personal Collection> > As an active mineral collector, and like all of us, there is nothing I like > better to do than to see, and talk about minerals!> > Since I have recently made some additions to my personal web site, I would > like to invite members to see the result of what 50 years of digging, > buying (on a modest budget), and especially trading of minerals can do. I am > an advocate of trading, and still exchange by mail and in person regularly. > I strongly urge all collectors to contact others, and take advantage of > swapping your extras to others who may not have the opportunity to get them > otherwise. There are not many swap meets these days, but the Internet is a > great avenue to explore, and friendly collectors all over the world are > lurking there. It is easy to exchange photos, and with an honest effort, you > can easily contact collectors anywhere. By doing so, you will not only > enhance your own collection, you will spread the fascination and enjoyment > of minerals to others.> > You may also be as lucky as I have been, to gain the friendship of others > which will enrich your life in many unexpected and serendipitous ways!> > Good Collecting.............> > Larry Rush> Guilford, CT> http://MyMinerals.homestead.com > > > -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gene at fossilnut.com Sun Aug 31 16:14:38 2008 From: gene at fossilnut.com (Gene Hartstein - Fossilnut.com) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:14:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil dragonflies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have seen a couple in old collections from St. Clair, PA. and from old sites in the same region of Eastern PA. These are very rare. Gene Hartstein Newark, DE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sicree, Andrew, Ph.D." To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] fossil dragonflies > > Anyone know of any locations for fossil dragonflies > in the Eastern USA > > Andrew Sicree > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun Aug 31 16:24:05 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:25:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] My Personal Collection References: <704473.57176.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004801c8f35d$28b99c20$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CAC17898717ABB-9DC-3A91@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com><000401c8f364$107e7020$0200000a@LarryRush><000601c8f403$f68faf30$0200000a@LarryRush> <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> Message-ID: <3C1EC1C01DC94A73B028DF8D909BC0A1@Notebook> Larry, Thanks or the tour. Fun Stuff! John From smkell45 at aol.com Sun Aug 31 18:10:38 2008 From: smkell45 at aol.com (smkell45@aol.com) Date: Sun Aug 31 18:11:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] pelican bay Message-ID: <8CAD9E6AE40FF07-848-510C@webmail-db02.sysops.aol.com> Hi. I have? a specimen from Pelican Bay, Utah. I know it's a pseudomorph after? pyrite.I found, in mindat, that both limonite and the more specific goethite were given as the new " mineral" that the pyrite was transformed to.? I'd like my label to be? accurate. Any suggestions? thanks smkell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 31 18:47:59 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 31 18:48:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] North Table Mtn., Golden, CO Message-ID: <0162DC76-77C8-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> When I visited Colorado a couple weeks ago I stopped at Red and Green Minerals and acquired a nice specimen labeled 'Zeolites, North Table Mt., Golden, CO'. It is a 1x3 inch chunk of a small vug. I researched the location to find the known minerals to help make identification easier and kept running across references to our friend Pete J. Kile and P. Modreski, 1988, "The Mineral Record" (Vol. 19 No. 3, May/June, pgs. 153-184) I found lots of confirmation and references for the Analcime, Thompsonite, and Natrolite I identified on the specimen. Most of the vug surface is coated with Apophyllite, with the other minerals on its surface. What I found curious is that while I found several references to Apophyllite from the locality, I found none with citations to the literature. Can anyone point me at a citation for Apophyllite from this classic location? Thanks! Kreigh From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 31 19:26:43 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 31 19:26:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] pelican bay In-Reply-To: <8CAD9E6AE40FF07-848-510C@webmail-db02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6AB24755-77CD-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> I have a similar specimen from Pelican Point. There is no doubt the Pyrite was replaced by Goethite. My specimen is a 3 1/2 inch ball of intergrown cubes with edges up to 3/4 inch. Kreigh On Sunday, Aug 31, 2008, at 21:10 America/Detroit, smkell45@aol.com wrote: > Hi. I have? a specimen from Pelican Bay, Utah. I know it's a > pseudomorph after? pyrite.I found, in mindat, that both limonite and > the more specific goethite were given as the new " mineral" that the > pyrite was transformed to.? I'd like my label to be? accurate. Any > suggestions? thanks smkell > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Aug 31 20:02:13 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Aug 31 20:02:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] My Personal Collection In-Reply-To: <30AF803E489A48E5B7E2DD2065229AF4@LarryRush> Message-ID: <602573E2-77D2-11DD-A67E-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Larry. Did you take over the living room or the basement to make your rock room? That's pretty impressive. I would have liked to get a closer look at the display cases that line the room. Would you consider replacing the current images with composites made of close-ups of each case section that I could click on to get a larger image and see the specimens clearly? A table of pictures would have basically the same image as the current wall photographs. I agree with you about the value of trading. The internet makes it easy. Your local Leaverite may be fairly common, but take it half way across the country (or around the world) and it starts to be interesting stuff that makes nice trades. Thanks for sharing! Kreigh On Sunday, Aug 31, 2008, at 11:14 America/Detroit, Lawrence Rush wrote: > As an active mineral collector, and like all of us, there is nothing I > like better to do than to see, and talk about minerals! > > Since I have recently made some additions to my personal web site, I > would like to invite members to see the result of what 50 years of > digging, buying (on a modest budget), and especially trading of > minerals can do. I am an advocate of trading, and still exchange by > mail and in person regularly. I strongly urge all collectors to > contact others, and take advantage of swapping your extras to others > who may not have the opportunity to get them otherwise. There are not > many swap meets these days, but the Internet is a great avenue to > explore, and friendly collectors all over the world are lurking there. > It is easy to exchange photos, and with an honest effort, you can > easily contact collectors anywhere. By doing so, you will not only > enhance your own collection, you will spread the fascination and > enjoyment of minerals to others. > > You may also be as lucky as I have been, to gain the friendship of > others which will enrich your life in many unexpected and > serendipitous ways! > > Good Collecting............. > > Larry Rush > Guilford, CT > > http://MyMinerals.homestead.com/ > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >