From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat Mar 1 02:18:57 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat Mar 1 02:19:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Journey to the Center of the Earth and the AGI In-Reply-To: <004801c87b37$6f5fdbb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <004801c87b37$6f5fdbb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <001501c87b85$a90dcd60$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Alan, I saw the first movie... Suddenly I feel old ;-))) I was a small boy at the time but I remember asking myself if riding out a volcanic eruption on a decorated oversized plate is even remotely possible..... I wonder how they're going to sell this in the remake ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Alan Goldstein > Verzonden: zaterdag 1 maart 2008 1:59 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Journey to the Center of the Earth and the AGI > > Here is something from the AGI: > > The makers of "Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D," due in > theaters July 11, are collaborating with the American > Geological Institute (AGI) to create educational materials > and activities linked to this major summer movie release. > > Starring Brendan Fraser, "Journey 3D" will plunge its > characters - and viewers - into the exciting world beneath > the Earth's surface. Walden Media, which is producing this > update of the Jules Verne classic, has invited AGI, organizer > of Earth Science Week, to help develop a booklet of related > geoscience information and activities, using the movie as an > opportunity to explore "science fiction and science fact." > > Additional details on "Journey 3D" educational opportunities > will be made available in the coming months. To learn more > about the movie, visit http://www.journey3dmovie.com/ online. > > > > Alan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sat Mar 1 03:59:26 2008 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat Mar 1 04:08:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re:Taiwan Minerals References: <200802270203.m1R235Lw012626@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <006c01c87ab8$13158e10$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <47C9451E.969750A3@gmx.de> Hokuto Springs (Peitou), N 25?07'42'', E 121?29'42'' / baryte locality ('Hokutolite'-Variet?t) in Japanese 'Hokuto' , in Chinese 'Peitou' or 'Pei-t'ou Wench'?an'. (I never was there) Best wishes J?rgen Doug Paul schrieb: > A couple years ago I queried the List regarding minerals in China. > Rock Currier was kind enough to direct me to the Mineral Alley in > Changsha. My father, younger brother, and myself spent an awesome > afternoon there meeting dealers, and buying specimens for my collection. > This time I'm headed to Taiwan for a few weeks. I googled Taiwan > minerals, and did not get much in the way of results. Also, in my > years of surfing the Web for minerals I have seen almost no mineral > specimens from Taiwan- except for the obvious jade and marble. Does > anyone have any leads on mineral specimens, mineral shops, and > mineral dealers in Taiwan? > Thanks for your time > > Doug Paul > > The trail is beautiful be still > Anon Lakota > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rockcurrier at cs.com Sat Mar 1 04:25:24 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sat Mar 1 04:25:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounding on Taiwan References: <200803010200.m2120ZHo032010@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <006401c87b97$53e45450$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Doug, When you get to Taiwan, the first thing you should do is visit their National Museum. I think this you may find more interesting than any minerals you might find. Secondly, if you are an ordinary young man, I think you would find a visit to the section of Taipei that has all the barber shops interesting. Thirdly you should visit the local university and ask to talk to one of the professors (most professors speak some English) and ask him about the mineralogy of the island and to see the reference collection in the Geology department. Ask about the possibility of collecting crystallized minerals on the island, and though I think they are quite limited, he may be able to put you in contact with some local collectors or students that can guide you to any collecting spots that may be open. And of course when you get back you should write up your experiences and post them here. I once spoke to a guy from Taiwan and he said his family imported a number of containers of "rocks" each month to the island that were used for construction purposes. I pointed out that this seemed rather ridiculous because of how much more it would cost than digging the rock from local sources, but he said that is was a government subsidized program because "they didn't want to make the island smaller by digging the rocks". I still don't know if he was pulling my leg or not. Governments do a lot of crazy things. You might ask the geology professor about that. Dalmatian stone is definitely not quartz (chalcedony onyx). When I first saw it I got out my all purpose hardness point, the tip of my pocketknife blade and was able to scratch it a little. I don't think it is from Mexico, at least I have never seen it offered for sale in El Paso. This sounds like a nice simple little mineralogy prospect for Tim to run some tests on it and find out what it really is. Rock From jaybates at rcn.com Sat Mar 1 08:43:36 2008 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Sat Mar 1 08:40:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery Rough Message-ID: <47C987B8.5030801@rcn.com> Sure looks like some chrysoprase that I have. From jeanne at jeannius.com Sat Mar 1 08:58:20 2008 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:00:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mystery Rough In-Reply-To: <47C987B8.5030801@rcn.com> References: <47C987B8.5030801@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47C98B2C.7070509@jeannius.com> I'm going to guess that maybe it is that...as there was some typical looking chrysoprase with it....I'm guessing this material is just not gem quality chrysoprase....just like you can have gem silica vs silicated chrysocolla (lower silica content) jaybates wrote: > Sure looks like some chrysoprase that I have. From folmstead at rcn.com Sat Mar 1 17:26:24 2008 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Sat Mar 1 17:28:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] haquq - in farsi In-Reply-To: <200803010427.m214RIe0015341@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <004801c87b37$6f5fdbb0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <002401c87b3a$56f5fb60$0200a8c0@Notebook> <200803010427.m214RIe0015341@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <47CA0240.9060204@rcn.com> in a ring - a stone in a high cabochon lady said the stone was haquq good luck ring Haquq in Farsi - she did not know what it was in English. Is anyone familiar with this stone? What is it in English. Thankzzz GeorgiaO --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Mar 1 19:17:00 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:17:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Assteague Island, area around In-Reply-To: <00c801c87a7a$f18a4a70$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <778579.11878.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you soooo much. It seems you know your area well. We will be there from June 15-July 1, 2008. I am grateful for your advice, and comments. Teri Jetter --- Ted Kowalski wrote: > Teri: > I'll use Jeff's reply as a springboard to respond to > your email. I'm not > exactly clear on how you're getting to Assateague. > As Jeff points out the > area is rich in young fossils (<16MYA), but you > don't have to just hunt for > fossils at Calvert Cliffs. Almost anywhere you can > get to the shoreline of > the tidal Chesapeake, Potomac you have the chance of > finding fossils, > especially if certain clay banks are eroding nearby. > > A word of warning, I believe it is illegal to metal > detect within the > Assateague National Seashore. The good news is that > you can ask permission > and perhaps do very well metal detecting in > Chincoteague. Chincoteague is > the island resort town you pass through to get to > Assateague. By all means, > make sure you stop for some ice cream > http://www.islandcreamery.net/about.html. > > If you're coming from the south, be sure to pass > through Amelia, VA. > http://www.toteshows.com/morefield.html > > Out of currency, but not out of mind is a list of > finds in Virginia (sadly, > Assateague is not included) > http://www.dmme.virginia.gov/DMR3/dmrpdfs/vamin/VAMIN_VOL33_NO01.pdf > > http://varockhound.com/va/cities/index.shtml > > At least bring your fishing gear and if you're there > in warmer weather, clam > rakes. Good Luck! > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey T. Cessna > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:28 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Assteague Island, area > around > > Teri, > > That depends on how wide a net you want to throw. > Most things I could > think of wind up being 3,4, or more hours away. > Perhaps good for the > trip in or out if driving. > > I spent last weekend at Reedy Point digging in the > spoil piles from > the Chesapeake and Delaware canal. You can find the > Delaware State > Fossil, the Belemnite and some interesting shells. > This is from the > Late Cretaceous Mount Laurel Formation. As a bonus > most of the > belemnite fossils fluoresce yellow under UV, > stronger in LW. > > see... > http://www.dgs.udel.edu/Geology/Paleontology/destatefossil.aspx > > If you go to this site this weekend (1-2 March) > continue on to > Newark, Delaware for the Delaware Minerological > Society annual show. > > see... http://www.delminsociety.net/marchshow.htm > > If you head to the western shore of the Chesapeake > Bay (over the Bay > Bridge) you will find the Miocene Calvert Formation > in Calvert > County, MD with abundant shark teeth and many other > fossils. My > anecdotal experience is that the teeth get larger, > but fewer the > further south you go. At the north end (Brownie > Beach) examine any > handful from the wrack line for at least 1-3 1/4" > and smaller teeth. > > see... http://www.mgs.md.gov/ (lots of MD info) > > If you go to Calvert Co., it might be worth the > longer trip down to > the Calvert Marine Museum. > > see... http://calvertmarinemuseum.net/index.html > > Sorry I don't know of anything closer. > > Jeff > > > At 02:05 PM 2/28/2008, you wrote: > >Hello All. > > > >A question for my vacation. We will be spending 2 > >weeks on or around Assteague Island, > >Maryland/Virginia, and I am wondering if anyone is > >from that area, and other than doing metal > detecting, > >is there any minerals, mining, panning, or any gem > >digging around this area/the Eastern Seaboard. > > > >In the general area, we are not allowed to do > >anything, but we are willing to go to other places > >that might be of interest. > > > >Thank you in advance, > > > >Teri Jetter > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From territoones1 at ameritech.net Sat Mar 1 19:26:14 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Sat Mar 1 19:26:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Assteague Island, area around In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080228145004.02516be8@nist.gov> Message-ID: <253026.65218.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Jeff. we are going to be on assateague for about a week and a half, and from there just go where the minerals/gems/metal detecting.... can be done or found. Thank you soo much for your response. I have learned so much from this list, and the nice people who frequent it. Teri Jetter --- "Jeffrey T. Cessna" wrote: > Teri, > > That depends on how wide a net you want to throw. > Most things I could > think of wind up being 3,4, or more hours away. > Perhaps good for the > trip in or out if driving. > > I spent last weekend at Reedy Point digging in the > spoil piles from > the Chesapeake and Delaware canal. You can find the > Delaware State > Fossil, the Belemnite and some interesting shells. > This is from the > Late Cretaceous Mount Laurel Formation. As a bonus > most of the > belemnite fossils fluoresce yellow under UV, > stronger in LW. > > see... > http://www.dgs.udel.edu/Geology/Paleontology/destatefossil.aspx > > If you go to this site this weekend (1-2 March) > continue on to > Newark, Delaware for the Delaware Minerological > Society annual show. > > see... http://www.delminsociety.net/marchshow.htm > > If you head to the western shore of the Chesapeake > Bay (over the Bay > Bridge) you will find the Miocene Calvert Formation > in Calvert > County, MD with abundant shark teeth and many other > fossils. My > anecdotal experience is that the teeth get larger, > but fewer the > further south you go. At the north end (Brownie > Beach) examine any > handful from the wrack line for at least 1-3 1/4" > and smaller teeth. > > see... http://www.mgs.md.gov/ (lots of MD info) > > If you go to Calvert Co., it might be worth the > longer trip down to > the Calvert Marine Museum. > > see... http://calvertmarinemuseum.net/index.html > > Sorry I don't know of anything closer. > > Jeff > > > At 02:05 PM 2/28/2008, you wrote: > >Hello All. > > > >A question for my vacation. We will be spending 2 > >weeks on or around Assteague Island, > >Maryland/Virginia, and I am wondering if anyone is > >from that area, and other than doing metal > detecting, > >is there any minerals, mining, panning, or any gem > >digging around this area/the Eastern Seaboard. > > > >In the general area, we are not allowed to do > >anything, but we are willing to go to other places > >that might be of interest. > > > >Thank you in advance, > > > >Teri Jetter > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 14:11:09 2008 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Sun Mar 2 14:11:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Clyde, My family has visited Virgin Valley a couple of times. Sometimes with good luck and other times with only a tiny bit of luck. We have mostly visited the Rainbow Ridge mine (http://www.nevadaopal.com/) and ocassionally the Royal Peacock (http://www.royalpeacock.com/) mine. Each mine has different aspects that can be viewed as pluses or minuses. A couple of samples of material we have collected can be seen at (http://www.peregrine-rocks.com/rocksmin/vvopal.shtml). We are planning another visit this spring, early June. We like to camp in the CCC camp. We are typically walkers and explorers rather than hard-rock-mining type collectors, which is why we have mostly visited Rainbow ridge and either done (tractor) buckets or tailings diggings. I suggest bringing a long handled garden rake or a "treasure scoop" for tailings digging. Also a rock hammer to break up "mud balls" that can actually be surrounding nice pieces. One of my wife's nicest black opal pieces is about the size of 1/2 a baseball - it started out as a very-large-grapegruit size that was totally crusted with mud. Also, a resealable container (heavy duty zip lock bags, plastic peanut butter jars, or ?) to place your finds into with damp paper towels for a slow-dry. Good luck! When are you going? Dean --- Clyde Phillips wrote: > Hi All, I'm planning an excursion to Nevada (Reno) and would > appreciate > any tips, tales, or successful collection stories about either the > Virgin > Valley area or the route to it from Reno. I'm not going there for a > few > months yet, but am planning ahead. > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > Clyde > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From getclyde at verizon.net Mon Mar 3 04:19:16 2008 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde Phillips) Date: Mon Mar 3 04:19:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Hi Dean, Thanks for the info. I will be paying attention to all the details anyone gives us. I have seen some very expensive rates for some places to collect in the walls. Do you feel this is worth it? I have to look at this as possibly the only time I will make it, as the distance is long and I am not retired. We plan to be there over the Memorial weekend for a couple days. I am mapping out other places in Nevada also, but probably not too deep into the wilderness mostly because of lack of experience in desert areas. I have a four-wheel drive vehicle (renting) and plenty of GPS gadgets, but am flying in from PA, which limits the tool selection I bring. The hammer you referred to, is that a geologist-type hammer or a small crack hammer? Thanks Clyde -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dean Welder Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:11 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting Hi Clyde, My family has visited Virgin Valley a couple of times. Sometimes with good luck and other times with only a tiny bit of luck. We have mostly visited the Rainbow Ridge mine (http://www.nevadaopal.com/) and ocassionally the Royal Peacock (http://www.royalpeacock.com/) mine. Each mine has different aspects that can be viewed as pluses or minuses. A couple of samples of material we have collected can be seen at (http://www.peregrine-rocks.com/rocksmin/vvopal.shtml). We are planning another visit this spring, early June. We like to camp in the CCC camp. We are typically walkers and explorers rather than hard-rock-mining type collectors, which is why we have mostly visited Rainbow ridge and either done (tractor) buckets or tailings diggings. I suggest bringing a long handled garden rake or a "treasure scoop" for tailings digging. Also a rock hammer to break up "mud balls" that can actually be surrounding nice pieces. One of my wife's nicest black opal pieces is about the size of 1/2 a baseball - it started out as a very-large-grapegruit size that was totally crusted with mud. Also, a resealable container (heavy duty zip lock bags, plastic peanut butter jars, or ?) to place your finds into with damp paper towels for a slow-dry. Good luck! When are you going? Dean --- Clyde Phillips wrote: > Hi All, I'm planning an excursion to Nevada (Reno) and would > appreciate > any tips, tales, or successful collection stories about either the > Virgin > Valley area or the route to it from Reno. I'm not going there for a > few > months yet, but am planning ahead. > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > Clyde > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dianne379 at optonline.net Mon Mar 3 06:17:05 2008 From: dianne379 at optonline.net (dianne379@optonline.net) Date: Mon Mar 3 06:17:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Show this weekend Message-ID: The 19th annual Clifton Gem & Mineral Show sponsored by the North Jersey Mineralogical Society, Saturday, March 8th and Sunday, March 9th, 10 AM to 5 PM at Pope John Paul II Elementary School, 775 Valley Road, Clifton, NJ. 200 yards north of the intersection of Route 3 and 46. Major dealers from the United States and Canada featuring NJ, fluorescent & worldwide minerals, meteorites, fossils, gems, jewelry, mineral books, metaphysical stones, crystals and spheres. Adults $4.00, Seniors $3.00 and children 12 and up $2.00 (under 12 free). $1 off each admission, up to 4 people with this ad. Dianne Rickard, Secretary North Jersey Mineralogical Society --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Mar 3 06:19:20 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 3 06:19:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> You will have plenty of company, as all the fee mines open on Memorial Day weekend. Be prepared for MUD. We have had near record precipitation so far this winter and it surely won't dry out before Memorial Day. A 4WD is useless when the wheel wells are so caked with gumbo that you can't turn the wheels. And the "dirt" at VV is particularly nasty gumbo. It's more like talcum powder when dry and you can't even stand up on it when it's soaked. Make you arrangements well in advance or you will surely be SOL (if you aren't already thanks to the Travel Channel lol). Digging in the wall is the only way to go, IMHO. It's expensive (well not to me it isn't) for a reason; namely you have a much greater chance of finding worthwhile material. The only other worthwhile activity is to buy a scoop from the Rainbow Ridge and spend a full day going through it. It certainly is easier than digging. Make or buy a Virgin Valley pick or you will be wasting your time. A rock hammer is not very useful; it smashes the pieces instead of merely finding them. I don't think I have ever gotten mine out of the truck at VV. You will be listening for the ting of the pick on glass or feeling for the scratch of the tine like you were scratching glass. Once you locate a piece either soak the entire clod in a bucket for a while or use a long screwdriver if it is in the wall. You don't want to damage that piece until you get a good look at it. My first trip to VV was wasted searching tailings piles; my subsequent trips were worth the drive, because I ignored the tailings. At 04:19 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote: >Hi Dean, Thanks for the info. I will be paying attention to all the details >anyone gives us. I have seen some very expensive rates for some places to >collect in the walls. Do you feel this is worth it? I have to look at this >as possibly the only time I will make it, as the distance is long and I am >not retired. We plan to be there over the Memorial weekend for a couple >days. I am mapping out other places in Nevada also, but probably not too >deep into the wilderness mostly because of lack of experience in desert >areas. I have a four-wheel drive vehicle (renting) and plenty of GPS >gadgets, but am flying in from PA, which limits the tool selection I bring. >The hammer you referred to, is that a geologist-type hammer or a small crack >hammer? > >Thanks > >Clyde Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Mon Mar 3 09:47:09 2008 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Mon Mar 3 09:47:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <642529.57524.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> First off, a warning: just because you are renting a 4WD vehicle does not mean it can get you to places easily. Most 4wd sold (or rentable) have, IMNSHO, crap tires which makes the 4WD only marginally better than 2wd. And let me combine that with: you don't have much desert experience? Please please be extra careful. Ok, climbing down off soapbox now. I've only done the bank dig once. As I mentioned, I typically don't like "hard rock" type digging, that's just the way I am. The potential for spectacular pieces is definitely there but as Tim sortof mentioned "worth it" is a personal decision. The hammer I referred to is a standard geologist or rockhound hammer. I use the pointed tip to gently break up mud balls. Tim mentioned using a screwdriver or similar sharp instrument for the same purpose. I used a hammer because that is what I had, Tim's suggestion is also a good one. Dean --- Clyde Phillips wrote: > Hi Dean, Thanks for the info. I will be paying attention to all the > details > anyone gives us. I have seen some very expensive rates for some > places to > collect in the walls. Do you feel this is worth it? I have to look > at this > as possibly the only time I will make it, as the distance is long and > I am > not retired. We plan to be there over the Memorial weekend for a > couple > days. I am mapping out other places in Nevada also, but probably not > too > deep into the wilderness mostly because of lack of experience in > desert > areas. I have a four-wheel drive vehicle (renting) and plenty of GPS > gadgets, but am flying in from PA, which limits the tool selection I > bring. > The hammer you referred to, is that a geologist-type hammer or a > small crack > hammer? > > Thanks > > Clyde > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Welder > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:11 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting > > Hi Clyde, > > My family has visited Virgin Valley a couple of times. Sometimes with > good luck and other times with only a tiny bit of luck. We have > mostly > visited the Rainbow Ridge mine (http://www.nevadaopal.com/) and > ocassionally the Royal Peacock (http://www.royalpeacock.com/) mine. > Each mine has different aspects that can be viewed as pluses or > minuses. A couple of samples of material we have collected can be > seen > at (http://www.peregrine-rocks.com/rocksmin/vvopal.shtml). > > We are planning another visit this spring, early June. We like to > camp > in the CCC camp. We are typically walkers and explorers rather than > hard-rock-mining type collectors, which is why we have mostly visited > Rainbow ridge and either done (tractor) buckets or tailings diggings. > > > I suggest bringing a long handled garden rake or a "treasure scoop" > for > tailings digging. Also a rock hammer to break up "mud balls" that can > actually be surrounding nice pieces. One of my wife's nicest black > opal > pieces is about the size of 1/2 a baseball - it started out as a > very-large-grapegruit size that was totally crusted with mud. Also, a > resealable container (heavy duty zip lock bags, plastic peanut butter > jars, or ?) to place your finds into with damp paper towels for a > slow-dry. > > Good luck! When are you going? > > Dean > > > --- Clyde Phillips wrote: > > > Hi All, I'm planning an excursion to Nevada (Reno) and would > > appreciate > > any tips, tales, or successful collection stories about either the > > Virgin > > Valley area or the route to it from Reno. I'm not going there for a > > few > > months yet, but am planning ahead. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance.. > > > > > > > > Clyde > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Mon Mar 3 19:26:18 2008 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:26:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <642529.57524.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <642529.57524.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can vouch for the tire situation, when we were down there in October, we had 2 flats on our own crappy tires on our truck. Both flats were from driving in the Sunstone area in Oregon and were repaired at Les Schwab. Of course we could have bought new tires for a measley $1200, but alas, I blew my cash on stones instead! Dawn Fredricks Portland Oregon ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:47:09 -0800 > From: wdeanwelder@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > First off, a warning: just because you are renting a 4WD vehicle does > not mean it can get you to places easily. Most 4wd sold (or rentable) > have, IMNSHO, crap tires which makes the 4WD only marginally better > than 2wd. And let me combine that with: you don't have much desert > experience? Please please be extra careful. Ok, climbing down off > soapbox now From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Mon Mar 3 19:28:27 2008 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:28:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: I noticed that the day bank digging rate at the Royal Peacock has gone up, I belive it was $150 last year and it's now $180! Dawn From lehkerd at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 19:28:57 2008 From: lehkerd at gmail.com (david lehker) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:29:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lake Douglas, Tennessee Message-ID: <586657cc0803031928q2310a0b6h26eb6fe7508833b2@mail.gmail.com> * We're heading to Tennesee this week and I'm looking for directions to collect quartz at Lake Douglas. Thanks in advance for any leads... Dave * --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 3 19:52:14 2008 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:51:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Virgin Valley digs In-Reply-To: <200803040202.m2422oR3018080@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200803040202.m2422oR3018080@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <200803040351.m243pq2Q011955@bubbleator.drizzle.com> To those entertaining ideas about collecting at Virgin Valley this year I would urge you to study the information available online and from postings to this list. Last summer my wife and I took a day off from our digging at the Bonanza mine and tried Rainbow Ridge. Our experience was very disappointing. We spent $400 for a bucket of dirt and found only one small piece of black opal, and that without color. That was all we found and we know how to work the opal dirt. A digger next to us was having the same luck with her dirt pile for the day. This is not to say that all diggers have the same luck. We'd gone to RR because two or three other Bonanza shareholders had tried their luck and had been at least "satisfied" with their findings for the $400 fee. Prices are up at the Royal Peacock and I don't know personally of anyone who went there last summer, so can't report one way or the other. Some rumors were less than encouraging though. The Bonanza fee dig is no picnic because the tailings piles can be hot, dry and dusty at times. Even as a shareholder there I have been a little skeptical of potential successes, but last September I saw two young men from Boise who'd driven all night to get to VV at 8AM be very happy with a couple of very colorful, good sized opals they'd found in the tailings piles. They worked for what they found though. The Treasure Channel has given many folks unrealistic expectations of the ease and value of finding opals at VV. Go for the experience and the possibility of finding a nice opal or two. No one is getting rich out there. Best of luck to all. Glen Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Sun Mar 2 20:40:40 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Mon Mar 3 21:34:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting References: <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <037a01c87ce8$bc347330$d59f324a@marilyn> I visited VV last spring after a training class in LV. I bought a bucket at Rainbow ridge the first day It is alot maybe too much for one person. I got lots of advice and sone good help from several Old timers Well the results were fabulous Much better than I could have dreamed I was vbery lucky and found a limb cast about 7-8" long and from 13/4 diam to about 1" The colr was the best I have ever seen and so bright you would gasp if you saw it! Several others found nice pieces in their buckets too Glen limits 5 buckets a day and yoou have from 8 to 4:30 to go through 4 cu yards alot. The next two days I went through the dumps and found 5 nice stable blacks with color I moved a lot of dirt so if you dream of riches be ready to move alot of dirt in hot conditions. if you go from June to aug. But Cold at night the camp ground is nice and fairly comfortable if you are prepared. MAKE Reaervations if you want a bucket of dirt and Google virgin valley and opal digging and you can compare schedules and costs ant what ever the only motell is in Denio and reservations are highly recommended if you want a room All the best I plan on going back this season. By the way Glenn said as soon as he gets set up to process the dirt he will be closing to digging so this season may be the last for Rainbow ridge and the folks at the royal peacock are getting old you never know don't put it off till next year. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Welder" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting > Hi Clyde, > > My family has visited Virgin Valley a couple of times. Sometimes with > good luck and other times with only a tiny bit of luck. We have mostly > visited the Rainbow Ridge mine (http://www.nevadaopal.com/) and > ocassionally the Royal Peacock (http://www.royalpeacock.com/) mine. > Each mine has different aspects that can be viewed as pluses or > minuses. A couple of samples of material we have collected can be seen > at (http://www.peregrine-rocks.com/rocksmin/vvopal.shtml). > > We are planning another visit this spring, early June. We like to camp > in the CCC camp. We are typically walkers and explorers rather than > hard-rock-mining type collectors, which is why we have mostly visited > Rainbow ridge and either done (tractor) buckets or tailings diggings. > > I suggest bringing a long handled garden rake or a "treasure scoop" for > tailings digging. Also a rock hammer to break up "mud balls" that can > actually be surrounding nice pieces. One of my wife's nicest black opal > pieces is about the size of 1/2 a baseball - it started out as a > very-large-grapegruit size that was totally crusted with mud. Also, a > resealable container (heavy duty zip lock bags, plastic peanut butter > jars, or ?) to place your finds into with damp paper towels for a > slow-dry. > > Good luck! When are you going? > > Dean > > > --- Clyde Phillips wrote: > >> Hi All, I'm planning an excursion to Nevada (Reno) and would >> appreciate >> any tips, tales, or successful collection stories about either the >> Virgin >> Valley area or the route to it from Reno. I'm not going there for a >> few >> months yet, but am planning ahead. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance.. >> >> >> >> Clyde >> >> >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From getclyde at verizon.net Tue Mar 4 03:49:33 2008 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde Phillips) Date: Tue Mar 4 03:50:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <00c901c87ded$d08cd1f0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Thanks for all the comments, I feel quite grounded as far as the worst scenarios of collecting. However, I think weather permitting, we should have fun collecting there and other places for non-opal stuff. I am curious though. Does anyone know of a website with a picture of the "Virgin Valley pick" that Tim mentioned. While I don't think the rewards from collecting are the material anyway, if it were we would already be rich from the emeralds and sapphires of North Carolina and the beryls and tourmalines from Maine. We did see things and meet people that made the experience of collecting quite enviable to the listeners of our stories later. Clyde From nospam at orerockon.com Tue Mar 4 07:45:50 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 4 07:45:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <00c901c87ded$d08cd1f0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <00c901c87ded$d08cd1f0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <200803041545.m24Fjsx6012544@bubbleator.drizzle.com> AFAIK they are made in Winnemucca or locally. They are a standard "army type" pick with the tine drawn out to 12 or 13" long. They had been sold at the Royal Peacock in the past (I haven't been there for at least 7 years so I have no idea if they still sell or make them). Heck, wall digging was only $85 the last time I was there :) At 03:49 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >Thanks for all the comments, I feel quite grounded as far as the worst >scenarios of collecting. However, I think weather permitting, we should have >fun collecting there and other places for non-opal stuff. > >I am curious though. Does anyone know of a website with a picture of the >"Virgin Valley pick" that Tim mentioned. > >While I don't think the rewards from collecting are the material anyway, if >it were we would already be rich from the emeralds and sapphires of North >Carolina and the beryls and tourmalines from Maine. We did see things and >meet people that made the experience of collecting quite enviable to the >listeners of our stories later. > >Clyde Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Mar 4 07:48:11 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Tue Mar 4 07:48:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <00c901c87ded$d08cd1f0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local><9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com><008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local><200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <00c901c87ded$d08cd1f0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <004201c87e0f$26f79c70$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Clyde: There is no web picture of the pick that I know of (at least close up). Mr. Wilson of the Royal Peacock was having a local make the pick for years. Recently, the composition of the pick was changed to incorporate a fiberglass handle instead of wood. The handle is nice, but the balance and weight of the picks were changed as well; owners of the old style picks (wooden handle) are keeping them fixed as they swing better and penetrate deeper. The pick head is slightly better steel than most picks and features long thin pick tines. The thin tines penetrate much better, even here in Virginia clay it is a much better pick for clay digging. If you look at the sharp tip of an Estwing rock pick, that is approximately the thickness and sharpness of the tines; tapering into a tine that is roughly 1/2" square where it joins the head. The new picks have tines that are still 1/2" wide but taper into a taller profile near the head. You can improve the feel of the new picks by adding a little weight to the head and keeping the tines sharp. These are the full size picks, the small hand size picks are not as dramatically better than the Estwing hand picks. Mr Wilson told me last year that the guy he has making the picks was saying he was retiring (like Mr. Wilson) so as in many things in VV, do what you can this year as who knows what the future holds. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Phillips Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:50 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting Thanks for all the comments, I feel quite grounded as far as the worst scenarios of collecting. However, I think weather permitting, we should have fun collecting there and other places for non-opal stuff. I am curious though. Does anyone know of a website with a picture of the "Virgin Valley pick" that Tim mentioned. While I don't think the rewards from collecting are the material anyway, if it were we would already be rich from the emeralds and sapphires of North Carolina and the beryls and tourmalines from Maine. We did see things and meet people that made the experience of collecting quite enviable to the listeners of our stories later. Clyde -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From nospam at orerockon.com Tue Mar 4 07:51:48 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 4 07:51:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <004201c87e0f$26f79c70$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <001e01c87acc$fd45b460$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008101c87d28$cd6325d0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <200803031419.m23EJKIR011375@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <00c901c87ded$d08cd1f0$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <004201c87e0f$26f79c70$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <200803041551.m24FpsLb015303@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Doh I had a brain fart, I was thinking of the "old style" pre-Korea War army picks. Ted is right on, they are full size picks. At 07:48 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >Clyde: >There is no web picture of the pick that I know of (at least close up). Mr. >Wilson of the Royal Peacock was having a local make the pick for years. >Recently, the composition of the pick was changed to incorporate a >fiberglass handle instead of wood. The handle is nice, but the balance and >weight of the picks were changed as well; owners of the old style picks >(wooden handle) are keeping them fixed as they swing better and penetrate >deeper. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 09:56:40 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Tue Mar 4 09:56:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <425032.160.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The March update of the price list of microminerals at www.sauktown.com isn't late after all. We didn't get to Tucson or to Florida. Barb spent the entire month of February in the hospital with pneumonia. From what I've heard, the show in Tucson and the Southeast Micromounters symposium in Florida were excellent this year- sorry I had to miss both. The March update will be posted later today. The regular list has Matulaite and other minerals from the Bachman Mine in Pennsylvania (type locality for Matulaite), and material from some quarries in northern Virginia. The Dryer collection list additions include material from Indian Mountain, Alabama and Nevada Creek, Tasmania, Australia. Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From stu at arcrystalmine.com Tue Mar 4 10:09:37 2008 From: stu at arcrystalmine.com (Stu Schmitt) Date: Tue Mar 4 10:09:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? Message-ID: <00c301c87e22$e9c81190$6400a8c0@STU2> It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were debating how it might be done. http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ With appreciation & gratitude, Stuart Schmitt Clear Creek Crystal Mine www.arcrystalmine.com 60 Mary's Eagle Trail Mount Ida, AR 71957 (870) 867-2443 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 12:28:19 2008 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Tue Mar 4 12:30:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <200803041551.m24FpsLb015303@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <223662.38325.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hmm, Are the Royal Peacock picks largely different somehow in fucntion from the Estwing Geo/Paleo-pick (http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=5200)? Dean --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Doh I had a brain fart, I was thinking of the "old style" pre-Korea > War army picks. Ted is right on, they are full size picks. > > At 07:48 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: > >Clyde: > >There is no web picture of the pick that I know of (at least close > up). Mr. > >Wilson of the Royal Peacock was having a local make the pick for > years. > >Recently, the composition of the pick was changed to incorporate a > >fiberglass handle instead of wood. The handle is nice, but the > balance and > >weight of the picks were changed as well; owners of the old style > picks > >(wooden handle) are keeping them fixed as they swing better and > penetrate > >deeper. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nospam at orerockon.com Tue Mar 4 13:57:09 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 4 13:58:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <223662.38325.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200803041551.m24FpsLb015303@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <223662.38325.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200803042157.m24LvMwQ030321@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Yes, they were designed specifically to pull the clay out of the wall at the Royal Peacock while doing the least amount damage to the opal, and will move roughly 2 or 3 times the amount of clay in the same period of time as an Estwing Paleo pick in the hands of an experienced digger. A Paleo pick is about the least efficient tool for digging in the clay; the aforementioned army style pack picks and plain old hardware store picks do a better job than an Estwing. The clay is wet, hard, and dense, and the tine on the Estwing has too short a taper to be very useful. At 12:28 PM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >Hmm, > >Are the Royal Peacock picks largely different somehow in fucntion from >the Estwing Geo/Paleo-pick >(http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=5200)? > >Dean Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From nospam at orerockon.com Tue Mar 4 15:50:21 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue Mar 4 15:50:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <037a01c87ce8$bc347330$d59f324a@marilyn> References: <9914.20334.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <037a01c87ce8$bc347330$d59f324a@marilyn> Message-ID: <200803042350.m24Noegw028745@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Glenn and his father(in-law? I can't remember lol) have been saying they will close to digging since at least 1994. I would take that statement with many, many grains of salt. Diggers are their bread and butter. Selling opal in AZ is not. At 08:40 PM 3/2/2008, you wrote: >I visited VV last spring after a training class in LV. I bought a >bucket at Rainbow ridge the first day It is alot maybe too much for >one person. I got lots of advice and sone good help from several >Old timers Well the results were fabulous Much better than I could >have dreamed I was vbery lucky and found a limb cast about 7-8" long >and from 13/4 diam to about 1" The colr was the best I have ever >seen and so bright you would gasp if you saw it! Several others >found nice pieces in their buckets too Glen limits 5 buckets a day >and yoou have from 8 to 4:30 to go through 4 cu yards alot. The >next two days I went through the dumps and found 5 nice stable >blacks with color I moved a lot of dirt so if you dream of riches be >ready to move alot of dirt in hot conditions. if you go from June >to aug. But Cold at night the camp ground is nice and fairly >comfortable if you are prepared. MAKE Reaervations if you want a >bucket of dirt and Google virgin valley and opal digging and you can >compare schedules and costs ant what ever the only motell is in >Denio and reservations are highly recommended if you want a >room All the best I plan on going back this season. By the way >Glenn said as soon as he gets set up to process the dirt he will be >closing to digging so this season may be the last for Rainbow ridge >and the folks at the royal peacock are getting old you never know >don't put it off till next year. Steve Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From Ted at crystalgems.com Tue Mar 4 16:24:45 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Tue Mar 4 16:24:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <223662.38325.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200803041551.m24FpsLb015303@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <223662.38325.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01c87e57$506bdd80$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Dean: In function, no; in ability, tremendously. Tim is being kind when he only gives the VV pick a 2-3 times ratio. You will break loose and apart a much much greater volume of clay with the military/VV pick. The tines are sharp and penetrate well. The paleo-pick's tine is blunt and only crushes a small spot of clay. Now don't get me wrong, we use the paleo-pick a lot. That is we use the paleo-pick shovel blade to pull the clay into a pile when sorting. The paleo-pick can also be used to break up some larger clay clumps, but think of using it like a potato masher and not a pick. Estwings paleo-pick is better than commercial picks/mattocks that you get from the big box stores; I brought both the commercial (ames) pick and the paleo-pick my first time at the Royal Peacock. On day three I ponied up the cash and bought the VV pick; since then I've added more VV picks to my pile and rarely use the commercial pick anymore, even in my garden. When working clay loam mixture or weathered pegmatites in Virginia or North Carolina I find the paleo-pick equal to and sometimes better than the VV pick, but when working pure clay the VV pick works much much better. Clyde: I forgot to add that you should also pick up at a hardware store a cheap straw hand broom. Use the broom anytime you need to see what you're hitting and hopefully that will be frequently. If you hear something like glass or china, stop swinging, sweep first and then use a screwdriver. One hit with a pick can be damaging, two or three hits can cause opal disaster. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Dean Welder Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:28 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting Hmm, Are the Royal Peacock picks largely different somehow in fucntion from the Estwing Geo/Paleo-pick (http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=5200)? Dean --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Doh I had a brain fart, I was thinking of the "old style" pre-Korea > War army picks. Ted is right on, they are full size picks. > > At 07:48 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: > >Clyde: > >There is no web picture of the pick that I know of (at least close > up). Mr. > >Wilson of the Royal Peacock was having a local make the pick for > years. > >Recently, the composition of the pick was changed to incorporate a > >fiberglass handle instead of wood. The handle is nice, but the > balance and > >weight of the picks were changed as well; owners of the old style > picks > >(wooden handle) are keeping them fixed as they swing better and > penetrate > >deeper. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 06:59:53 2008 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Wed Mar 5 06:59:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Pick In-Reply-To: <005d01c87e57$506bdd80$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <780235.51400.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Ted Kowalski wrote: > Dean: > In function, no; in ability, tremendously. > > Tim is being kind when he only gives the VV pick a 2-3 times ratio. [snippage] > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > Ok then, does anybody have a picture anywhere of the VV pick? Dean Need rockhound tools? Like Estwing Hammers & Chisels, or the infamous Gem Scoop? How about a Vibrating Tumbler or Tumbling/Polishing Grit? Or some rough material (slabs, virgin valley opal, fire agate, etc.)? Please visit http://www.peregrine-rocks.com/rocksmin.shtml ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed Mar 5 07:12:23 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 5 07:13:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting Message-ID: I'm quite surprised by all this discussion about these special picks--there's clearly a whole extra subculture here, that many of us "regular mineral collectors" are clueless about. I was glad that someone picked up on this and asked, because I was wondering about it from the beginning when someone referred to a Virgin Valley Pick. I'm still trying to figure out if this is a short-handled pick like a regular "rock pick", or a long heavy one that you swing with two hands, like for a regular big old "pick and shovel". (I must say, I'm not even sure what an Estwing "Paleo-Pick" is. To some of us, especially we geologists, there's just a "regular rock pick" (pointed end) which fancy folks call a "geo-pick", vs. a "soft-rock pick", with a chisel end, which I assume is what a "Paleo-Pick" is.) Well, you learn something new every day! : ) Pete **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Wed Mar 5 10:02:44 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Wed Mar 5 10:04:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200803051802.m25I2vM4021787@bubbleator.drizzle.com> LOL! Maybe we need a "pick list"! I would call the Paleo a soft rock pick as you describe. Here's a pic: http://www.geo-tools.com/paleopick.htm No this isn't an ad for Geo Tools, although their "wizard" pry bar is a wonder to behold. I have used it on some mighty stubborn rocks :) Imagine a cross between the Paleo and a full size pick, with a longer, thinner business end, that's what a VV pick is, essentially. Like ted said, the Paleo is good to have for the back end, if it's sharp. And yes I was being generous (to hardware store picks), I started to type 4-5 times the amount of material (VV vs. standard pick) but I backed off lol. While I am thinking about it, an ice pick is a good idea too. Ideally, you would want a very large, sturdy ice pick (sounds like a project for a machine shop to me). They are great to pick around at the opal in the wall once you hit it. My meager tool bucket of 10 years ago has expanded into two full 5 gallon buckets and a couple big bars & shovels that I usually just leave in the pickup in case I get the urge. I think I have 200 lbs. of tools now :D At 07:12 AM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >I'm quite surprised by all this discussion about these special >picks--there's clearly a whole extra subculture here, that many of >us "regular mineral >collectors" are clueless about. I was glad that someone picked >up on this and >asked, because I was wondering about it from the beginning when someone >referred to a Virgin Valley Pick. I'm still trying to figure out >if this is a >short-handled pick like a regular "rock pick", or a long heavy one >that you swing >with two hands, like for a regular big old "pick and shovel". > >(I must say, I'm not even sure what an Estwing "Paleo-Pick" is. To some of >us, especially we geologists, there's just a "regular rock pick" (pointed >end) which fancy folks call a "geo-pick", vs. a "soft-rock >pick", with a chisel >end, which I assume is what a "Paleo-Pick" is.) > >Well, you learn something new every day! : ) > >Pete Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From miller3987 at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 5 10:30:12 2008 From: miller3987 at sbcglobal.net (Glen Miller) Date: Wed Mar 5 10:30:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley opal pick picture Message-ID: <200803051830.m25IU8V7004594@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Greetings all: I've posted a picture of my "opal pick" at http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/LA-Rocks/photos/browse/e2e1 I hope that is a publicly available site. The yellow plastic (fiberglass?) handle is obvious. It had a True Value Hardware sticker on it when it was new. The two tines have slightly different angles to their points. One side is best for digging in a vertical bank; the other is best for breaking up clay clods on horizontal ground. The pick was being sold at the Royal Peacock 2 years ago for $60. The Estwing pick is included for scale and because it is probably familiar to most collectors. The pick on the left was introduced to me by a miner from the former San Manuel copper mine north of Tucson, AZ, as a "pickeroo." That is probably a local term they used for it. I found one after much searching online at a hardware store in Idaho. One name of that pick is technically a "Finnish hoe." I was surprised to see one in use in (as I recall) a video on quartz mining in Arkansas. The pickeroo is extremely handy in pulling down muck on a slope and even for moving small amounts of dirt out of an inclined hole when a shovel isn't available. Glen From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed Mar 5 10:52:47 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed Mar 5 10:53:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting (favorite tools) In-Reply-To: <200803051802.m25I2vM4021787@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200803051802.m25I2vM4021787@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <47CEEBFF.9070501@verizon.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > > My meager tool bucket of 10 years ago has expanded into two full 5 > gallon buckets and a couple big bars & shovels that I usually just leave > in the pickup in case I get the urge. I think I have 200 lbs. of tools > now :D Tell me about it. I got into the habit of having two buckets full of tools. That's fine when your car is right next to the collecting site, but when you need to hike in, it is a hideous situation. I have since engaged in "negative growth." I find the essential tools for nearly *any* trip to be a 3-lb. crack hammer, a few sizes of steel rock chisel, three carbide-tipped chisels, including one about the size of a soda can that Trow & Holden customized for me; a gad pry bar, and a handful of spring steel wedges. All this fits in a backpack. The bucket holds a bundle of newspapers (you can get lots of free ones when the newspaper people come to empty out the racks of ad papers at the corner store) and egg cartons. Of course, different collecting environments require different tools. I may also carry a long-handled 4-lb. mini-sledge; a shovel or spade; sieving screens; washing water; hand trowels; or some extra-wide masonry chisels. One thing I have, but almost never carry, is one of the famous Estwing geologist's hammers, with a flat face on one side and either a pick or a narrow curved pry bar on the other side. As many old-timers put it, "those are about good for putting in pictures for scale." I often watch students go on field trips, armed with brand new Estwing pick hammers, trying to break hard rock with the pick end. Eventually they give up and need to be introduced to the hammer and chisel method. Over the years, on average, I have found a small crack hammer and a careful selection of chisels to be far more versatile than one of those Estwings. Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 5 16:44:03 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 5 16:30:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley opal pick picture References: <200803051830.m25IU8V7004594@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <47CF3B16.1437@Tomaszewski.net> Glen, Unfortunately the website is only available to those registered for the list. Could you email me a copy of the picture off-list? Thanks! Kreigh Glen Miller wrote: > > Greetings all: > > I've posted a picture of my "opal pick" at > > http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/LA-Rocks/photos/browse/e2e1 > > I hope that is a publicly available site. The yellow plastic > (fiberglass?) handle is obvious. It had a True Value Hardware sticker > on it when it was new. The two tines have slightly different angles > to their points. One side is best for digging in a vertical bank; the > other is best for breaking up clay clods on horizontal ground. The > pick was being sold at the Royal Peacock 2 years ago for $60. > > The Estwing pick is included for scale and because it is probably > familiar to most collectors. > > The pick on the left was introduced to me by a miner from the former > San Manuel copper mine north of Tucson, AZ, as a "pickeroo." That is > probably a local term they used for it. I found one after much > searching online at a hardware store in Idaho. One name of that pick > is technically a "Finnish hoe." I was surprised to see one in use in > (as I recall) a video on quartz mining in Arkansas. The pickeroo is > extremely handy in pulling down muck on a slope and even for moving > small amounts of dirt out of an inclined hole when a shovel isn't available. > > Glen > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 16:44:29 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Mar 5 16:44:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley opal pick picture In-Reply-To: <47CF3B16.1437@Tomaszewski.net> References: <200803051830.m25IU8V7004594@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <47CF3B16.1437@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Or send me a copy and I'll put it up on my PBase site for you. BK On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Glen, > > Unfortunately the website is only available to those registered for the > list. Could you email me a copy of the picture off-list? Thanks! > > Kreigh > > > > > > Glen Miller wrote: > > > > Greetings all: > > > > I've posted a picture of my "opal pick" at > > > > http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/LA-Rocks/photos/browse/e2e1 > > > > I hope that is a publicly available site. The yellow plastic > > (fiberglass?) handle is obvious. It had a True Value Hardware sticker > > on it when it was new. The two tines have slightly different angles > > to their points. One side is best for digging in a vertical bank; the > > other is best for breaking up clay clods on horizontal ground. The > > pick was being sold at the Royal Peacock 2 years ago for $60. > > > > The Estwing pick is included for scale and because it is probably > > familiar to most collectors. > > > > The pick on the left was introduced to me by a miner from the former > > San Manuel copper mine north of Tucson, AZ, as a "pickeroo." That is > > probably a local term they used for it. I found one after much > > searching online at a hardware store in Idaho. One name of that pick > > is technically a "Finnish hoe." I was surprised to see one in use in > > (as I recall) a video on quartz mining in Arkansas. The pickeroo is > > extremely handy in pulling down muck on a slope and even for moving > > small amounts of dirt out of an inclined hole when a shovel isn't > available. > > > > Glen > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 5 18:40:54 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 5 18:27:01 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? References: <47CDE480.7C52@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <47CF566B.1974@Tomaszewski.net> Stu, Truely amazing! Very on topic; I'm sure we've all tried to move big rocks at one time or another. Thank you very much for sharing this. Kreigh Stu Schmitt wrote: > > It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were debating how it might be done. > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Clear Creek Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rhill at lpl.arizona.edu Wed Mar 5 19:14:36 2008 From: rhill at lpl.arizona.edu (Rik Hill) Date: Wed Mar 5 19:14:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? In-Reply-To: <00c301c87e22$e9c81190$6400a8c0@STU2> References: <00c301c87e22$e9c81190$6400a8c0@STU2> Message-ID: <47CF619C.2050209@lpl.arizona.edu> You know what "they" say, committees are means for institutionalizing inaction. (I avoid them like the plague in my job.) -Rik Stu Schmitt wrote: > It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were debating how it might be done. > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ > > With appreciation & gratitude, > Stuart Schmitt > Clear Creek Crystal Mine > www.arcrystalmine.com > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > (870) 867-2443 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 20:11:40 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Mar 5 20:11:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley opal pick picture In-Reply-To: References: <200803051830.m25IU8V7004594@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <47CF3B16.1437@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: OK here is Glen's picks photo: BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 5 20:38:23 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 5 20:38:21 2008 Subject: favorite tools {was: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting} References: <200803051802.m25I2vM4021787@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <47CEEBFF.9070501@verizon.net> Message-ID: <47CF7532.5950@Tomaszewski.net> Great topic! I usually carry a 4 lb cross pein hammer (one end is flat, the other is a wedge), an Estwing geologist's hammer (good for trimming specimens, and scaleing pictures), a camera, safety glasses. a screwdriver, a field book, a compass, a pocket Bible, pepper spray for critters, a swiss army knife, a hardness kit, some water, a current newspaper, and four chisels (one is a wide point). I usually leave a pry bar, first aid kit, and shovel, in the vehicle; I seldom get them out. Two empty buckets and a light backpack going in. Kreigh DonH wrote: > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > My meager tool bucket of 10 years ago has expanded into two full 5 > > gallon buckets and a couple big bars & shovels that I usually just leave > > in the pickup in case I get the urge. I think I have 200 lbs. of tools > > now :D > > Tell me about it. I got into the habit of having two buckets full of > tools. That's fine when your car is right next to the collecting site, > but when you need to hike in, it is a hideous situation. I have since > engaged in "negative growth." > > I find the essential tools for nearly *any* trip to be a 3-lb. crack > hammer, a few sizes of steel rock chisel, three carbide-tipped chisels, > including one about the size of a soda can that Trow & Holden customized > for me; a gad pry bar, and a handful of spring steel wedges. All this > fits in a backpack. The bucket holds a bundle of newspapers (you can > get lots of free ones when the newspaper people come to empty out the > racks of ad papers at the corner store) and egg cartons. > > Of course, different collecting environments require different tools. I > may also carry a long-handled 4-lb. mini-sledge; a shovel or spade; > sieving screens; washing water; hand trowels; or some extra-wide masonry > chisels. > > One thing I have, but almost never carry, is one of the famous Estwing > geologist's hammers, with a flat face on one side and either a pick or a > narrow curved pry bar on the other side. As many old-timers put it, > "those are about good for putting in pictures for scale." I often watch > students go on field trips, armed with brand new Estwing pick hammers, > trying to break hard rock with the pick end. Eventually they give up > and need to be introduced to the hammer and chisel method. Over the > years, on average, I have found a small crack hammer and a careful > selection of chisels to be far more versatile than one of those Estwings. > > Don > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From robynahawk at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 23:34:56 2008 From: robynahawk at yahoo.com (Robyn Hawk) Date: Wed Mar 5 23:35:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting In-Reply-To: <200803060201.m2620w1m000537@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <872307.11759.qm@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I told a friend of mine about this conversation and he gave me this info to post to the list...he has the best VV results! I have seen his black opal log (red fire) almost a year later it is still perfect no crazing or cracking...he swears by the tailings! ------------------------------------------------------------------ From Shep Koss: In two trips I've found green conk, blue opal log, black opal/red fire log References: <47CDE480.7C52@Tomaszewski.net> <47CF566B.1974@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003a01c87f96$8fe72010$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Stu and Kreigh, After careful consideration I think I just may have found a musca domestica linnaeus in the ointment. The concrete beams are rectangular in circumference. That means that the weight of the beam is evenly distributed over the contact zone with the wooden beams or rollers. A object that is less "flat" in circumference would seriously reduce the surface of the pressure point. I looked at some photos of Stonehenge and I found that the erected stones are quite rounded, almost oval. Wouldn't they rather crush the wooden rollers or beam upon which they rest? Hate to be the party-p... but this needs some thinking... Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: donderdag 6 maart 2008 3:41 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? > > Stu, > > Truely amazing! > > Very on topic; I'm sure we've all tried to move big rocks at > one time or another. > > Thank you very much for sharing this. > > Kreigh > > > > Stu Schmitt wrote: > > > > It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which > has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure > it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a > replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of > Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were > debating how it might be done. > > > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ > > > > With appreciation & gratitude, > > Stuart Schmitt > > Clear Creek Crystal Mine > > www.arcrystalmine.com > > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > > (870) 867-2443 > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From ajs at frii.com Thu Mar 6 08:41:43 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Mar 6 08:43:17 2008 Subject: favorite tools {was: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting} In-Reply-To: <47CF7532.5950@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20080306164143.C38D71CC42@io.frii.com> > I usually carry a 4 lb cross pein hammer (one end is flat, the other > is a wedge), an Estwing geologist's hammer (good for trimming > specimens, and scaleing pictures), a camera, safety glasses. a > screwdriver, a field book, a compass, a pocket Bible... Good idea, a ready source of paper for wrapping small specimens? :-) Alan Silverstein From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Thu Mar 6 14:08:22 2008 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Thu Mar 6 14:08:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures Message-ID: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> List, I received my copy of American Mineral Treasures yesterday. Has anyone else seen it? I was not able to go to Tucson to see the exhibits first hand. The book is super, as usual. My only complaint is its heavy and hard to hold. Kenny From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Thu Mar 6 14:30:54 2008 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Thu Mar 6 14:28:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures In-Reply-To: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> References: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> Message-ID: Kenny, The excitement about the book at Tucson was unbelievable. Most of the specimens in the book were on display at the club show and many of the authors were present. The line for the book signing was long...and it took about 45 minutes to run the gauntlet. Imagine holding 2 or 3 copies of the book as many did! For those who have not yet ordered their copy, I would not delay. As of Tucson it was not certain that a second printing would be done. The volume is well worth the $85 (plus shipping) price and will soon become a most valuable addition to our home libraries. You can order copies either from Lithographie or Mineralogical Record. Gloria, G?nther and the team of authors, photographers and editors are to be highly commended for the outstanding job they did! Hope you enjoy your copy as much as we've been enjoying ours. CW On Mar 6, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Kenny Gay wrote: > List, > I received my copy of American Mineral Treasures yesterday. Has > anyone else seen it? > I was not able to go to Tucson to see the exhibits first hand. The > book is super, as usual. > My only complaint is its heavy and hard to hold. > Kenny > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Paintricks at aol.com Thu Mar 6 14:45:10 2008 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 6 14:45:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures Message-ID: Hi there, I have some interesting new specimens of Sylvanite from Colorado that has the dark tarnish from being exposed to uv light. Is there a way to get this off without messing up the specimen? It's a steel gray on it's exterior and a chrome shiny material where is has broken at it's cleavage and exposed a fresh surface. It's a beautiful crystal structure with tiny druzy quartz coating. Thanks in advance, Kevin **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dguin at verizon.net Thu Mar 6 14:54:27 2008 From: dguin at verizon.net (dave) Date: Thu Mar 6 14:56:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures In-Reply-To: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> References: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <47D07623.5020007@verizon.net> Kenny Gay wrote: > List, > I received my copy of American Mineral Treasures yesterday. Has > anyone else seen it? > I was not able to go to Tucson to see the exhibits first hand. The > book is super, as usual. > My only complaint is its heavy and hard to hold. > Kenny Thanks alott, Kenny! As if the wait wasn't long enough already ;) ** dave waits "patiently" ** Peace, dave From SMKELL45 at aol.com Thu Mar 6 17:07:23 2008 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 6 17:07:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Canadian minerals Message-ID: Hi. Anyone know anything about the "stoksolar quarry" , possibly in Madoc, Ontario? I bought a tremolite in possibly a dark marble at a mineral show with that label. I haven't been able to find any reference to the site, not on mindat or google. Any help would be appreciated. smkell **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Mar 6 17:07:48 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Mar 6 17:07:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Changing Topic (was) American Mineral Treasures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D09564.1050902@hawaiiantel.net> This is a reminder to Kevin and the whole List: Please change the topic in the Subject line to match your message. Thank you. Kitty (Admin. Team) Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > Hi there, > I have some interesting new specimens of Sylvanite from Colorado that has > the dark tarnish from being exposed to uv light. Is there a way to get this > off without messing up the specimen? It's a steel gray on it's exterior and > a chrome shiny material where is has broken at it's cleavage and exposed a > fresh surface. It's a beautiful crystal structure with tiny druzy quartz > coating. > Thanks in advance, > Kevin > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 6 18:10:03 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 6 18:07:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? References: <47CDE480.7C52@Tomaszewski.net> <47CF566B.1974@Tomaszewski.net> <003a01c87f96$8fe72010$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47D0A33B.1CC6@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, I don't really see a problem. The first key is balancing the block (square or rounded) on one or two small stones so it can be rotated. Flat or rounded faces should not make a significant difference with that small a contact point. The second key is tipping back and forth on the length to be able to raise the block. Again, flat or rounded faces have no effect on this. The third key was the wave shaped rail used to roll the square blocks. With rounded blocks the rail is probably not necessary because they would roll by themselves. Large blocks of stone would tend to be quarried with flat faces. Wear in transporting them by rolling would be concentrated on the corners, rounding the block faces. I suspect weathering of these thousands of years old blocks would also be concentrated at the edges, rounding them over time. The blocks of Stonehenge may originally have had flat faces when the construction occurred. The only real issue I see is that rounded faces might make it harder to affix levers for rotating the blocks, but the contour could also be an advantage as the curve makes it easier to grip the stone. A lever with curved jaws _____________________ [_( )_] would not pop off and would make it easier to rock the stone block to place pebbles under it. The only unanswered question I had was how to you get a fulcrum under a large block sitting on the ground to get the process started. I assummed a long first class lever. This step is probably the limiting factor in how big a block could be and still be moveable. As Kermit the Frog said, "Time's fun when you're having flies". Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Hi Stu and Kreigh, > > After careful consideration I think I just may have found a musca domestica > linnaeus in the ointment. > The concrete beams are rectangular in circumference. That means that the > weight of the beam is evenly distributed over the contact zone with the > wooden beams or rollers. > A object that is less "flat" in circumference would seriously reduce the > surface of the pressure point. I looked at some photos of Stonehenge and I > found that the erected stones are quite rounded, almost oval. > Wouldn't they rather crush the wooden rollers or beam upon which they rest? > > Hate to be the party-p... but this needs some thinking... > > Cheers > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > > Tomaszewski > > Verzonden: donderdag 6 maart 2008 3:41 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? > > > > Stu, > > > > Truely amazing! > > > > Very on topic; I'm sure we've all tried to move big rocks at > > one time or another. > > > > Thank you very much for sharing this. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > Stu Schmitt wrote: > > > > > > It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which > > has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure > > it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a > > replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of > > Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were > > debating how it might be done. > > > > > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ > > > > > > With appreciation & gratitude, > > > Stuart Schmitt > > > Clear Creek Crystal Mine > > > www.arcrystalmine.com > > > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > > > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > > > (870) 867-2443 > > > From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 18:57:35 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 6 18:57:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? In-Reply-To: <47D0A33B.1CC6@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47CDE480.7C52@Tomaszewski.net> <47CF566B.1974@Tomaszewski.net> <003a01c87f96$8fe72010$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <47D0A33B.1CC6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Actually the stones may have been a lot flatter 4000 years ago, they've had 4000 years of weather after all and maybe some exfoliation. The real problem with this sort of thing is that it proves exactly what the Kon-Tiki proved. Not one thing. Just because some fellow with 4000 years of technology in his head can come up with some clever solution doesn't lead one to conclude that some blue painted, pre-math natives came up with the same solution. BK On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Axel, > > I don't really see a problem. > > The first key is balancing the block (square or rounded) on one or two > small stones so it can be rotated. Flat or rounded faces should not make > a significant difference with that small a contact point. > > The second key is tipping back and forth on the length to be able to > raise the block. Again, flat or rounded faces have no effect on this. > > The third key was the wave shaped rail used to roll the square blocks. > With rounded blocks the rail is probably not necessary because they > would roll by themselves. > > Large blocks of stone would tend to be quarried with flat faces. Wear in > transporting them by rolling would be concentrated on the corners, > rounding the block faces. I suspect weathering of these thousands of > years old blocks would also be concentrated at the edges, rounding them > over time. The blocks of Stonehenge may originally have had flat faces > when the construction occurred. > > The only real issue I see is that rounded faces might make it harder to > affix levers for rotating the blocks, but the contour could also be an > advantage as the curve makes it easier to grip the stone. A lever with > curved jaws > > _____________________ > [_( )_] > > would not pop off and would make it easier to rock the stone block to > place pebbles under it. > > The only unanswered question I had was how to you get a fulcrum under a > large block sitting on the ground to get the process started. I assummed > a long first class lever. This step is probably the limiting factor in > how big a block could be and still be moveable. > > As Kermit the Frog said, "Time's fun when you're having flies". > > Kreigh > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > Hi Stu and Kreigh, > > > > After careful consideration I think I just may have found a musca > domestica > > linnaeus in the ointment. > > The concrete beams are rectangular in circumference. That means that the > > weight of the beam is evenly distributed over the contact zone with the > > wooden beams or rollers. > > A object that is less "flat" in circumference would seriously reduce the > > surface of the pressure point. I looked at some photos of Stonehenge and > I > > found that the erected stones are quite rounded, almost oval. > > Wouldn't they rather crush the wooden rollers or beam upon which they > rest? > > > > Hate to be the party-p... but this needs some thinking... > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > > > Tomaszewski > > > Verzonden: donderdag 6 maart 2008 3:41 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? > > > > > > Stu, > > > > > > Truely amazing! > > > > > > Very on topic; I'm sure we've all tried to move big rocks at > > > one time or another. > > > > > > Thank you very much for sharing this. > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu Schmitt wrote: > > > > > > > > It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which > > > has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure > > > it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a > > > replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of > > > Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were > > > debating how it might be done. > > > > > > > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ > > > > > > > > With appreciation & gratitude, > > > > Stuart Schmitt > > > > Clear Creek Crystal Mine > > > > www.arcrystalmine.com > > > > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > > > > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > > > > (870) 867-2443 > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 6 19:02:13 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 6 19:02:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures References: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> Message-ID: <009201c87fff$a4822600$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I got my copy a couple of days ago. As co-author of the chapter on Southern Illinois, mine was complimentary. It is a big book! It'll take me a loooong time to read the whole thing! If you can carry a box of rocks, you can carry this book. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Gay" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures > List, > I received my copy of American Mineral Treasures yesterday. Has anyone > else seen it? > I was not able to go to Tucson to see the exhibits first hand. The book is > super, as usual. > My only complaint is its heavy and hard to hold. > Kenny > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 19:21:47 2008 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Thu Mar 6 19:21:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <321205.53858.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Actually the stones may have been a lot flatter 4000 years ago, > they've had 4000 years of weather after all and maybe some exfoliation. Accellerated exfoliation I might add. In the 1700-1800's, tourist on day trips from London rode out to visit the site and while there they were loaned sledge hammers and invited to sledge away for souvenirs. Elton From codeburner at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 19:26:30 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 6 19:26:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? In-Reply-To: <321205.53858.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <321205.53858.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LOL, like dynamiting the salt flats at DV or throwing a stack of burning logs off Glacier point every night. BK On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Mr EMan wrote: > > --- J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > > Actually the stones may have been a lot flatter 4000 years ago, > > they've had 4000 years of weather after all and maybe some > exfoliation. > > Accellerated exfoliation I might add. In the 1700-1800's, tourist on > day trips from London rode out to visit the site and while there they > were loaned sledge hammers and invited to sledge away for souvenirs. > > Elton > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 6 20:13:48 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 6 20:13:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? References: <47CDE480.7C52@Tomaszewski.net> <47CF566B.1974@Tomaszewski.net> <003a01c87f96$8fe72010$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <47D0A33B.1CC6@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <47D0C0FA.429E@Tomaszewski.net> It is the first explanation I have seen that has been demonstrated to work. I'll go with Occam's Razor on this, pending better alternatives. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > Actually the stones may have been a lot flatter 4000 years ago, they've had > 4000 years of weather after all and maybe some exfoliation. > > The real problem with this sort of thing is that it proves exactly what the > Kon-Tiki proved. Not one thing. Just because some fellow with 4000 years of > technology in his head can come up with some clever solution doesn't lead > one to conclude that some blue painted, pre-math natives came up with the > same solution. > > BK > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski > wrote: > > > Axel, > > > > I don't really see a problem. > > > > The first key is balancing the block (square or rounded) on one or two > > small stones so it can be rotated. Flat or rounded faces should not make > > a significant difference with that small a contact point. > > > > The second key is tipping back and forth on the length to be able to > > raise the block. Again, flat or rounded faces have no effect on this. > > > > The third key was the wave shaped rail used to roll the square blocks. > > With rounded blocks the rail is probably not necessary because they > > would roll by themselves. > > > > Large blocks of stone would tend to be quarried with flat faces. Wear in > > transporting them by rolling would be concentrated on the corners, > > rounding the block faces. I suspect weathering of these thousands of > > years old blocks would also be concentrated at the edges, rounding them > > over time. The blocks of Stonehenge may originally have had flat faces > > when the construction occurred. > > > > The only real issue I see is that rounded faces might make it harder to > > affix levers for rotating the blocks, but the contour could also be an > > advantage as the curve makes it easier to grip the stone. A lever with > > curved jaws > > > > _____________________ > > [_( )_] > > > > would not pop off and would make it easier to rock the stone block to > > place pebbles under it. > > > > The only unanswered question I had was how to you get a fulcrum under a > > large block sitting on the ground to get the process started. I assummed > > a long first class lever. This step is probably the limiting factor in > > how big a block could be and still be moveable. > > > > As Kermit the Frog said, "Time's fun when you're having flies". > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stu and Kreigh, > > > > > > After careful consideration I think I just may have found a musca > > domestica > > > linnaeus in the ointment. > > > The concrete beams are rectangular in circumference. That means that the > > > weight of the beam is evenly distributed over the contact zone with the > > > wooden beams or rollers. > > > A object that is less "flat" in circumference would seriously reduce the > > > surface of the pressure point. I looked at some photos of Stonehenge and > > I > > > found that the erected stones are quite rounded, almost oval. > > > Wouldn't they rather crush the wooden rollers or beam upon which they > > rest? > > > > > > Hate to be the party-p... but this needs some thinking... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Axel > > > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > > > > Tomaszewski > > > > Verzonden: donderdag 6 maart 2008 3:41 > > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > > collectors > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Stonehenge rebuilt-maybe off topic? > > > > > > > > Stu, > > > > > > > > Truely amazing! > > > > > > > > Very on topic; I'm sure we've all tried to move big rocks at > > > > one time or another. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for sharing this. > > > > > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stu Schmitt wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's amazing that this guy could figure out something which > > > > has confounded scholars for centuries. Not only did he figure > > > > it out but he demonstrates it. This guy could build a > > > > replica of Stonehenge single handedly while a committee of > > > > Civil Engineering professors from leading universities were > > > > debating how it might be done. > > > > > > > > > > http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ > > > > > > > > > > With appreciation & gratitude, > > > > > Stuart Schmitt > > > > > Clear Creek Crystal Mine > > > > > www.arcrystalmine.com > > > > > 60 Mary's Eagle Trail > > > > > Mount Ida, AR 71957 > > > > > (870) 867-2443 > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Mar 6 20:31:45 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Mar 6 20:31:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava pours into ocean In-Reply-To: References: <321205.53858.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D0C531.9030103@hawaiiantel.net> Hi List, Lava that has been going through the Royal Gardens subdivision (there are no real homes there, just some shacks and "structures") has reached the ocean tonight. There was some spectacular video footage on our local TV news and I expect it will be on network news tomorrow. The report said that inquiries have been coming in from people all over the world wanting to come see it, and that a viewing station is expected to be opened on Saturday at 2pm. You can probably see pictures and video by searching the web, but the official place for still photos is: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/images.html So far that site only goes up to yesterday, but there will probably be more tomorrow. For the past several days there's been a lot of vog (volcanic haze) on this side of the island from the lava burning through vegetation, and right now it's so thick we can't see the horizon when we look out at the ocean from our house. But we CAN see a glow and a column of steam to the south where the lava's entering the sea. Bill and I plan to go down there on Sunday morning before dawn, and if that works out we'll post a report and photos (somewhere). Aloha, Kitty From markstanley at bellnet.ca Thu Mar 6 21:19:28 2008 From: markstanley at bellnet.ca (Mark Stanley) Date: Thu Mar 6 21:18:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stoklosar Marble Quarry References: Message-ID: <01e101c88012$d3e92de0$6eece2d1@b1quvu32> The Stoklosar Marble Quarry is several km north of Madoc, Ontario on Highway 62. It produces marble for terrazzo floors. While the quarry, or quarries, are probably close by, to the east of the highway, the mill is right beside the road. Quite a few years ago I tried to get permission to collect, but the owners are not interested in giving access to collectors. I have never seen any crystallized specimens from the quarry. There is alot of Tremolitic marble in the area, so there is a good chance that it will produce Tremolite crystals. Mark Stanley Norwood, Ontario, Canada > Hi. Anyone know anything about the "stoksolar quarry" , possibly in Madoc, > Ontario? I bought a tremolite in possibly a dark marble at a mineral show > with that label. I haven't been able to find any reference to the site, not on > mindat or google. Any help would be appreciated. smkell From rocknlight at aol.com Thu Mar 6 23:06:15 2008 From: rocknlight at aol.com (rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 6 23:07:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: LAP SALE - CRYSTALITE PRO 12 DIAMOND LAP MACHINE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA4E38DDF8170B-C60-3ABC@webmail-nf05.sim.aol.com> Hello Everyone I have decided to sell my CrystalMaster PRO 12 Diamond Lap machine. It has never?been used and is of course, in like new condition. Machine was manufactured in 1999, although I?did purchase it new, about 3 years ago.? Upon contacting Crystalite Corp, this week, I was told by 2 professional representatives?that, there is no shelf life?for the machine and the machine is essentially brand new, since it has never been used. The machine has been tested and the machine and motor and speed control, is 100 % perfect. The machine comes complete with all? 7 companion kit pads and I will also include a?"Little Giant,"water pump, in very good, almost new?condition. You?can see the PRO?12?machine and lap?kit?at, ?WWW.KINGSLEYNORTH.COM ? NOTICE : I have 3 people in line for possible?purchase at this time?- I do?promise to?accommodate everyone, in the order that?e mails are received... E mail at ROCKNLIGHT@AOL.COM? The price is $400 to $500? off,?any retail price ! The?selling price?is $1,300 Respectfully, RocknLight? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Woodward To: SOCAL-ROCKS@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:41 pm Subject: [SO.CAL-ROCKS] Need to polish slabs, advice Hello Group I am in need of advice on the best machine to polish about 50-100 slabs that I have, they range from 1-6 inch sizes. Would like to do both sides and not spend forever doing it. Was thinking of getting a Covington Maxi Lap: Downside is you have to be hands on. Up side is they are faster They use more expensive diamond discs instead of slurry Or is the vibrating kind for me?: Upside is it works in the background like a tumbler. Downside is it is slower for each piece and use slurry that you need to clean at each step. or a Diamond Pacific vibrating lap: Or anyone have some good ideas, appreciate any direction. Mike Woodward __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe RECENT ACTIVITY 1 New Members 9 New Photos 2 New Links Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Yahoo! Groups team blog. Cat Groups on Yahoo! Groups Share pictures & stories about cats. . __,_._,___ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From magnet at crocoite.com Fri Mar 7 00:12:01 2008 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Fri Mar 7 00:12:08 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures Message-ID: <20080307081201.6971.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all For those outside the US (well, in OZ anyway), it is best to order from Mineralogical Record. The shipping cost from Lithographie was quoted as $132US! My copy is on the way for a much more reasonable $41.60US. Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ From Lapidry at aol.com Fri Mar 7 05:11:53 2008 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 05:12:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Polsihing slabs Message-ID: Or is the vibrating kind for me?: Upside is it works in the background like a tumbler. Downside is it is slower for each piece and use slurry that you need to clean at each step. Mike: Vibratory laps aren't 100% hands free. You have to make sure thy don't dry out. I know people who rig up plastic bags over the pan to reduce evaporation. They also round the edges and will wear a little into softer spots in the slab. If you can possibly find one used, there's a machine called the Rockhounder's Paradise. It is a dry lap using 18 inch floor polishing discs that are only $3-4 at most rental places. It has two chambers about 8 inches each that you can put your rock or weighted slab in. The chambers are designed to rotate the rock at the same time the 18 inch disk is rotating too. The slabs come out dead flat and a mirror polish. You have to break in the polishing disk so it's worn enough to polish, after that it can take as little as 5-6 hours to get a good polish. You glue the polishing disks to an 18 inch metal lap with Elmer's white glue, then soak them off in a tub of water when you need to replace them. A disk will last several slabs though. The machines haven't been made in a number of years and the older units with low serial numbers are better than the newer ones, after the original guy died and his son started making them. I'd look for a serial number less than 600. Obviously, since it hasn't been manufactured in close to 20 years, I have no ties to the manufacturer. Hope this helps.... Dan **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From SMKELL45 at aol.com Fri Mar 7 08:21:12 2008 From: SMKELL45 at aol.com (SMKELL45@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 08:22:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stoklosar Marble Quarry Message-ID: Thank you mucho. Now my label will be good. smkell **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Fri Mar 7 08:28:35 2008 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Mar 7 08:24:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava pours into ocean In-Reply-To: <47D0C531.9030103@hawaiiantel.net> References: <321205.53858.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D0C531.9030103@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <002401c88070$4b464cd0$0200a8c0@kadok> Thanks, Kitty! Margaret To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] lava pours into ocean Hi List, Lava that has been going through the Royal Gardens subdivision (there are no real homes there, just some shacks and "structures") has reached the ocean tonight. There was some spectacular video footage on our local TV news and I expect it will be on network news tomorrow. The report said that inquiries have been coming in from people all over the world wanting to come see it, and that a viewing station is expected to be opened on Saturday at 2pm. You can probably see pictures and video by searching the web, but the official place for still photos is: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/images.html So far that site only goes up to yesterday, but there will probably be more tomorrow. For the past several days there's been a lot of vog (volcanic haze) on this side of the island from the lava burning through vegetation, and right now it's so thick we can't see the horizon when we look out at the ocean from our house. But we CAN see a glow and a column of steam to the south where the lava's entering the sea. Bill and I plan to go down there on Sunday morning before dawn, and if that works out we'll post a report and photos (somewhere). Aloha, Kitty -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 7 13:11:11 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Mar 7 13:11:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID Message-ID: <002001c88097$c55f6700$0300000a@LarryRush> Does anyone know the mineral species associated with the following aluminosilicate oxyfluorides? I have no reference work in which to find these. The numbers following the formulas are the crystallographic pdf numbers .................. NaMg3AlSi3O10F2 - 25-0842 BaMg3Al2Si2O10F2 - 19-0117 Thanks......Larry Rush "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Fri Mar 7 13:25:02 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 7 13:25:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID In-Reply-To: <002001c88097$c55f6700$0300000a@LarryRush> References: <002001c88097$c55f6700$0300000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <8CA4EB0D6B5FA3F-B68-352@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> Those are mica group minerals; formulas analogous to phlogopite, which is KMg3AlSi3O10(OH)2? only with Na and Ba instead of K, and F instead of OH. Oh, you want the NAMES too?? Well, I don't have those at the tip of my tongue, probably someone else will supply them! Sorry for only the partial answer... Pete -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Rush To: Rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 2:11 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID Does anyone know the mineral species associated with the following aluminosilicate oxyfluorides? I have no reference work in which to find these. The numbers following the formulas are the crystallographic pdf numbers .................. NaMg3AlSi3O10F2 - 25-0842 BaMg3Al2Si2O10F2 - 19-0117 Thanks......Larry Rush "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever worked in the mines" --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri Mar 7 13:45:22 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri Mar 7 13:45:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID References: <002001c88097$c55f6700$0300000a@LarryRush> <8CA4EB0D6B5FA3F-B68-352@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c8809c$8bc2ebc0$0300000a@LarryRush> While I am asking questions about the micas, let me try another one.... I recently got some "bi-colored" Lepidolite from Brazil, so- called because it has a darker colored purple "rind" covering the sides of the primary crystal faces, but still part of the crystallographic structure. The line of demarcation between the 2 colors is distinct. My question is: Would this likely be due to a change in the chemistry (or pressure, temperature, etc.) of the melt while crystallization occurred or is it an alteration that happened post crystallization? Just curious......Larry > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID > > > > Does anyone know the mineral species associated with the following > aluminosilicate oxyfluorides? I have no reference work in which to find > these. > > The numbers following the formulas are the crystallographic pdf numbers > .................. > > NaMg3AlSi3O10F2 - 25-0842 > BaMg3Al2Si2O10F2 - 19-0117 > > > > Thanks......Larry Rush > > "Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever > worked in > the mines" > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From turnea55 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 17:19:59 2008 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Fri Mar 7 17:22:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID Message-ID: The lithium mica (e.g. lepidolite) phase diagram has something like 17 separate end members (I used it as a cover for a paper I did in phase equilibria class). This means that there is technically some 17 different dimensions to the diagram, good luck on the visualization and modelling. It takes very little changes in temp., pressure, or chemsitry while the mineral is forming to cause lithium (or any) mica to have a different color and/or slightly varying chemisty, even to make it a separate species. This is common for many pegmatite minerals due to how they form and how many of them are "trash can" minerals in that they can accept numerous different elements into their structures (check out the tourmaline or the ferrocolumbite-manganotantalite series. Yellow, purple, and pink lepidolite can be found together. I even have some pieces from South Dakota that are half biotite and half muscovite (a small reaction zone of possible phlogopite is seen at the contact). Hope this helps. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA >From: "Lawrence Rush" >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID >Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:45:22 -0500 > >While I am asking questions about the micas, let me try another one.... > >I recently got some "bi-colored" Lepidolite from Brazil, so- called because >it has a darker colored purple "rind" covering the sides of the primary >crystal faces, but still part of the crystallographic structure. The line >of demarcation between the 2 colors is distinct. My question is: Would this >likely be due to a change in the chemistry (or pressure, temperature, etc.) >of the melt while crystallization occurred or is it an alteration that >happened post crystallization? > >Just curious......Larry > > >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID >> >> >> >>Does anyone know the mineral species associated with the following >>aluminosilicate oxyfluorides? I have no reference work in which to find >>these. >> >>The numbers following the formulas are the crystallographic pdf numbers >>.................. >> >>NaMg3AlSi3O10F2 - 25-0842 >>BaMg3Al2Si2O10F2 - 19-0117 >> >> >> >>Thanks......Larry Rush >> >>"Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever >>worked in >>the mines" >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> >>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >>--- >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From geenet at centurytel.net Fri Mar 7 18:50:22 2008 From: geenet at centurytel.net (Jeanette Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 7 18:50:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lepidolite References: Message-ID: <003901c880c7$28791410$6402a8c0@CMC3101861A> Well, that answered an unasked question of mine. I have some pink lepidolite with reddish purple "spots" distibuted throughout, similar to ruby in zoisite. I had been wondering if the darker colored spots were something other than lepidolite. See, if you hang around long enough even the questions you don't ask will get answered by the wonderful rockhound listers. Jeanette > The lithium mica (e.g. lepidolite) phase diagram has something like 17 > separate end members (I used it as a cover for a paper I did in phase > equilibria class). This means that there is technically some 17 different > dimensions to the diagram, good luck on the visualization and modelling. > It takes very little changes in temp., pressure, or chemsitry while the > mineral is forming to cause lithium (or any) mica to have a different > color and/or slightly varying chemisty, even to make it a separate > species. This is common for many pegmatite minerals due to how they form > and how many of them are "trash can" minerals in that they can accept > numerous different elements into their structures (check out the > tourmaline or the ferrocolumbite-manganotantalite series. Yellow, purple, > and pink lepidolite can be found together. I even have some pieces from > South Dakota that are half biotite and half muscovite (a small reaction > zone of possible phlogopite is seen at the contact). Hope this helps. > > Andrew Turner > Victorville, CA USA > > >>From: "Lawrence Rush" >>Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>collectors" >>Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID >>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:45:22 -0500 >> >>While I am asking questions about the micas, let me try another one.... >> >>I recently got some "bi-colored" Lepidolite from Brazil, so- called >>because it has a darker colored purple "rind" covering the sides of the >>primary crystal faces, but still part of the crystallographic structure. >>The line of demarcation between the 2 colors is distinct. My question is: >>Would this likely be due to a change in the chemistry (or pressure, >>temperature, etc.) of the melt while crystallization occurred or is it an >>alteration that happened post crystallization? >> >>Just curious......Larry >> >> >>>Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID >>> >>> >>> >>>Does anyone know the mineral species associated with the following >>>aluminosilicate oxyfluorides? I have no reference work in which to find >>>these. >>> >>>The numbers following the formulas are the crystallographic pdf numbers >>>.................. >>> >>>NaMg3AlSi3O10F2 - 25-0842 >>>BaMg3Al2Si2O10F2 - 19-0117 >>> >>> >>> >>>Thanks......Larry Rush >>> >>>"Noel Coward thought work was more fun than play, but he never, ever >>>worked in >>>the mines" >>> >>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>>--- >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>>--- >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri Mar 7 19:07:25 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri Mar 7 19:07:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Assateague Island Message-ID: >From a National Parks Conservation Association email today 3/7/2008: NPCA AT WORK IN THE PARKS A Warm Welcome for Visitors to Assateague Island National Seashore On January 28, Assateague Island National Seashore hosted a groundbreaking ceremony for its new visitor center, a victory resulting from a sustained 20-year effort on the part of park advocates to obtain approval and funding for the project. Retired U.S. Sen. Paul Sarbanes of Maryland mentioned NPCA in his keynote address. After the ceremony, Joy Oakes presented findings of NPCA's Center for the State of the Parks Report on Assateague. According to the recent study, Assateague Island National Seashore's health is threatened by non-native invasive species, heavy over-sand vehicle use, polluted waters from adjacent land use and development, and impacts of global warming. Funding and staffing shortfalls have affected nearly all facets of the park, including the preservation of its cultural treasures. Glenn Wimpee _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sat Mar 8 07:05:53 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sat Mar 8 07:07:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID References: Message-ID: <000601c8812d$e7c04cb0$0300000a@LarryRush> Thanks very much, Andrew! Good answer! Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Turner" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral ID The lithium mica (e.g. lepidolite) phase diagram has something like 17 separate end members (I used it as a cover for a paper I did in phase equilibria class). This means that there is technically some 17 different dimensions to the diagram, good luck on the visualization and modelling. It takes very little changes in temp., pressure, or chemsitry while the mineral is forming to cause lithium (or any) mica to have a different color and/or slightly varying chemisty, even to make it a separate species. This is common for many pegmatite minerals due to how they form and how many of them are "trash can" minerals in that they can accept numerous different elements into their structures (check out the tourmaline or the ferrocolumbite-manganotantalite series. Yellow, purple, and pink lepidolite can be found together. I even have some pieces from South Dakota that are half biotite and half muscovite (a small reaction zone of possible phlogopite is seen at the contact). Hope this helps. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Mar 8 11:16:08 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Mar 8 11:16:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] lava pours into ocean In-Reply-To: <002401c88070$4b464cd0$0200a8c0@kadok> References: <321205.53858.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <47D0C531.9030103@hawaiiantel.net> <002401c88070$4b464cd0$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <47D2E5F8.8020607@hawaiiantel.net> If you go to http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/ or google < Hawaii Tribune Herald > you'll find the Hilo newspaper with a front page article on the plan to open a viewing spot for the lava going into the ocean; the headline is < Hot Spot Ready >. You have to register to read the whole story, but it is quick and free. There are no pictures yet, but I think there will be, probably tomorrow. Unfortunately the plan is to open the gate at 2pm and close it at 10pm. That means you go out there in the heat of the afternoon (and that is considerable, with the sun beating on black lava all day), and have to fumble around with a flashlight to return in the dark. We would prefer to go out before dawn by flashlight, and then return after sunrise in the cool morning. Oh well, we shouldn't be picky. Incidentally, if you click on < Local News > at the left, you'll find an off-topic story called, < A scope for the students >, which is about how Professor William Heacox is leading a project to provide a telescope on Mauna Kea for astronomy students to use. Aloha, Kitty From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 9 05:18:28 2008 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Sun Mar 9 05:18:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lipidolite and the micas Message-ID: <030920081218.14041.47D3D5930008CD08000036D922230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> Dear Andrew Turner: The terms "ferrocolumbite and manganotantalite" are no longer used, and have been replaced by the simple term "Niobium". This may sound simplistic, but Columbite is considered an archaic term. Often one sees the name "the Tantalum-Niobium end series", which includes all the "ferros, ferrics, manganos" and the other replacement metals that inhabit the aforementioned crystal structures. If one is familiar with what the names represent, than it is easier to use a simple name. Edward Wagner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) multipart/related text/html --- From jerrybs at frii.com Sun Mar 9 08:26:45 2008 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sun Mar 9 07:37:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Polsihing slabs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080309143707.31E326785E@mail.frii.com> Please provide a picture or link for this machine. Jerry WA > >Mike: > >Vibratory laps aren't 100% hands free. You have to make sure thy don't dry >out. I know people who rig up plastic bags over the pan to >reduce evaporation. >They also round the edges and will wear a little into softer spots in the >slab. > >If you can possibly find one used, there's a machine called the >Rockhounder's Paradise. It is a dry lap using 18 inch floor >polishing discs that are only >$3-4 at most rental places. It has two chambers about 8 inches each that you >can put your rock or weighted slab in. The chambers are designed to rotate >the rock at the same time the 18 inch disk is rotating too. >The slabs come out >dead flat and a mirror polish. > >You have to break in the polishing disk so it's worn enough to polish, after >that it can take as little as 5-6 hours to get a good polish. You glue the >polishing disks to an 18 inch metal lap with Elmer's white glue, then soak >them off in a tub of water when you need to replace them. A disk will last >several slabs though. The machines haven't been made in a number of >years and the >older units with low serial numbers are better than the newer ones, >after the >original guy died and his son started making them. I'd look for a serial >number less than 600. Obviously, since it hasn't been >manufactured in close to >20 years, I have no ties to the manufacturer. > >Hope this helps.... > >Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/08 10:14 AM From wisoh at msn.com Sun Mar 9 09:24:35 2008 From: wisoh at msn.com (JAMES BUDNIK) Date: Sun Mar 9 09:28:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids References: <403144209FE544A0A9898BFB1352913F@6626PC> Message-ID: I am looking for crystal on paper that can be glued together to make a crystal form. I am doing some library displays and working with kids on a display case. Judy Budnik ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly & Darryl To: Rockhounds List Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids Dear Rockhounds, Advanced warning: this is an ad. Please delete now if you don't want the bother. Thanks! Mini Miners Monthly, a monthly newsletter about minerals for kids, is now in its 9th month. With the holidays nearly upon us, I wanted to offer a special for members of the rockhounds list (and anyone else interested!) The regular subscription price for Mini Miners Monthly is $19.95 for 12 issues. Subscription orders received between now and December 31 will receive 13 issues for the price of 12. (A real baker's dozen!) To mineral club and society bulletin editors and web masters: Clubs and societies receive with their subscription permission to reproduce up to 3 pages per month of Mini Miners material in their printed bulletins and websites. A sample issue is available at www.diamonddanpublications.com. Please email me offlist (diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) with questions or requests. Thank you all. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Sincerely, Darryl Powell aka Diamond Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Mar 9 09:45:27 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Mar 9 09:46:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lipidolite and the micas In-Reply-To: <030920081218.14041.47D3D5930008CD08000036D922230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> References: <030920081218.14041.47D3D5930008CD08000036D922230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> Message-ID: <002101c88204$faed60c0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Ed, The niobium-columbium confusion is quite similar to tungsten-wolfram. The mineral wolframite is a tungstate of manganese. It was named in Europe and would otherwise have been named tungstite. BTW: did you get my last messages? I keep getting : delivery temporarily suspended: connect to gateway-f1.isp.att.net[204.127.217.16]: Connection timed out Or an error they call 550 (something about being blocked and abuse... Which I can hardly believe. Were we ever abusive???) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens > edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net > Verzonden: zondag 9 maart 2008 13:18 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Lipidolite and the micas > > Dear Andrew Turner: The terms "ferrocolumbite and > manganotantalite" are no longer used, and have been replaced > by the simple term "Niobium". This may sound simplistic, but > Columbite is considered an archaic term. Often one sees the > name "the Tantalum-Niobium end series", which includes all > the "ferros, ferrics, manganos" and the other replacement > metals that inhabit the aforementioned crystal structures. If > one is familiar with what the names represent, than it is > easier to use a simple name. Edward Wagner > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > multipart/related > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From mineral.maertens at att.net Sun Mar 9 11:24:44 2008 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan Maertens) Date: Sun Mar 9 11:37:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Taiwan Minerals - reference In-Reply-To: <200803010200.m2120ZHh032010@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: >From websearch. RockHounds RockShop 54 KuangFu South Road Taipei, Taiwan Phone: +886 2-2577-0536 Contact: Timothy Huang Email timd_huang@mail.formac.com.tw in 2006 I tried to reach Jeun Ven Shih in Taipei, Taiwan during my visit, yet never got an answer The website has expired ... See: http://web.archive.org/web/20070625022930/http://www.taiwanfm.com.tw/ index.html Johan Maertens Mineral dot Maertens at att dot net calcite4ever at gmail dot com Do you like minerals and other earth treasures? Visit the Mineral Collectors Page by the Mineral Club of Antwerp at http://www.minerant.org From pttrefrn at triwest.net Sun Mar 9 11:50:04 2008 From: pttrefrn at triwest.net (Ronald and Patricia Potter-Efron) Date: Sun Mar 9 11:50:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures References: <47D06B56.6080308@ncmail.net> <009201c87fff$a4822600$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <001501c88216$6344be00$0201a8c0@EMACHINEDESKTOP> Ron and I ordered one immediately on the recommendation of all of you. It will help a lot identifying what we have picked up over time. We are non-science social services people, and our science is coming late in life, but we are loving it. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Goldstein" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures >I got my copy a couple of days ago. As co-author of the chapter on Southern >Illinois, mine was complimentary. It is a big book! It'll take me a loooong >time to read the whole thing! If you can carry a box of rocks, you can >carry this book. > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenny Gay" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:08 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures > > >> List, >> I received my copy of American Mineral Treasures yesterday. Has anyone >> else seen it? >> I was not able to go to Tucson to see the exhibits first hand. The book >> is super, as usual. >> My only complaint is its heavy and hard to hold. >> Kenny >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Mar 9 12:45:12 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 9 12:48:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] American Mineral Treasures In-Reply-To: <20080307081201.6971.qmail@webmachine101.com> References: <20080307081201.6971.qmail@webmachine101.com> Message-ID: <47D43E48.1090000@hawaiiantel.net> Plus, if you order from minrec you'll get a signed Wendell Wildon print depicting a fantasy collecting scene! (or so they say on the minrec bookstore site). Aloha, Kitty magnet wrote: > Hi all > > For those outside the US (well, in OZ anyway), it is best to order from Mineralogical Record. The shipping cost from Lithographie was quoted as $132US! My copy is on the way for a much more reasonable $41.60US. > > Regards > Steve > > Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Mar 9 17:56:44 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 9 17:53:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids References: <403144209FE544A0A9898BFB1352913F@6626PC> Message-ID: <47D48685.11DB@Tomaszewski.net> Judy, If you can get a copy of "Understanding Crystallography" by Jennie R. Smith (Library of Congress Cat. No. 91-092990) there are eight pages of crystal model forms to by copied and enlarged for making models at the end. If you can't find the book, do a Google search for 'folding paper to make crystal models' and use on of the links. Kreigh JAMES BUDNIK wrote: > > I am looking for crystal on paper that can be glued together to make a crystal form. I am doing some library displays and working with kids on a display case. > Judy Budnik > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Holly & Darryl > To: Rockhounds List > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:16 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids > > Dear Rockhounds, > Advanced warning: this is an ad. Please delete now if you don't want the bother. Thanks! > > Mini Miners Monthly, a monthly newsletter about minerals for kids, is now in its 9th month. With the holidays nearly upon us, I wanted to offer a special for members of the rockhounds list (and anyone else interested!) The regular subscription price for Mini Miners Monthly is $19.95 for 12 issues. Subscription orders received between now and December 31 will receive 13 issues for the price of 12. (A real baker's dozen!) > > To mineral club and society bulletin editors and web masters: Clubs and societies receive with their subscription permission to reproduce up to 3 pages per month of Mini Miners material in their printed bulletins and websites. > > A sample issue is available at www.diamonddanpublications.com. > > Please email me offlist (diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) with questions or requests. > > Thank you all. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. > > Sincerely, > Darryl Powell > aka Diamond Dan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Lapidry at aol.com Sun Mar 9 19:28:49 2008 From: Lapidry at aol.com (Lapidry@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 9 19:28:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids Message-ID: I don't know if Wards Natural Science still carries them but they used to have a very large set of geometric shapes on paper, complete with tabs marked for folding and glueing..... Dan In a message dated 3/9/2008 8:53:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: Judy, If you can get a copy of "Understanding Crystallography" by Jennie R. Smith (Library of Congress Cat. No. 91-092990) there are eight pages of crystal model forms to by copied and enlarged for making models at the end. If you can't find the book, do a Google search for 'folding paper to make crystal models' and use on of the links. Kreigh JAMES BUDNIK wrote: > > I am looking for crystal on paper that can be glued together to make a crystal form. I am doing some library displays and working with kids on a display case. > Judy Budnik > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Holly & Darryl > To: Rockhounds List > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:16 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids > > Dear Rockhounds, > Advanced warning: this is an ad. Please delete now if you don't want the bother. Thanks! > > Mini Miners Monthly, a monthly newsletter about minerals for kids, is now in its 9th month. With the holidays nearly upon us, I wanted to offer a special for members of the rockhounds list (and anyone else interested!) The regular subscription price for Mini Miners Monthly is $19.95 for 12 issues. Subscription orders received between now and December 31 will receive 13 issues for the price of 12. (A real baker's dozen!) > > To mineral club and society bulletin editors and web masters: Clubs and societies receive with their subscription permission to reproduce up to 3 pages per month of Mini Miners material in their printed bulletins and websites. > > A sample issue is available at www.diamonddanpublications.com. > > Please email me offlist (diamonddan@rochester.rr.com) with questions or requests. > > Thank you all. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. > > Sincerely, > Darryl Powell > aka Diamond Dan > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun Mar 9 19:57:34 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun Mar 9 19:57:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lepidolite and the micas Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/2008 6:19:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time, edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net writes: Dear Andrew Turner: The terms "ferrocolumbite and manganotantalite" are no longer used, and have been replaced by the simple term "Niobium". This may sound simplistic, but Columbite is considered an archaic term. Often one sees the name "the Tantalum-Niobium end series", which includes all the "ferros, ferrics, manganos" and the other replacement metals that inhabit the aforementioned crystal structures. If one is familiar with what the names represent, than it is easier to use a simple name. Edward Wagner Sorry, but this is not at all correct. Niobium and tantalum are the names of the chemical elements, not of the oxide minerals that contain them plus Fe or Mn. There is, however, a current controversy about the best and most correct and accepted way to name these minerals. The minerals containing, repectivelyly Fe+Nb+O and Mn+Nb+O have up until now always been referred to as ferrocolumbite and manganocolumbite. However, the latest (just published, 2008) edition of the book most commonly accepted as an authoritative source of scientifically correct mineral names, "Fleischer's Glossary of Mineral Species 2008", current editors Malcolm E. Back and Joseph A. Mandarino (the latter recently deceased, in 2007) now gives the names of these two minerals as columbite-(Fe) and columbite-(Mn). This naming system has the virtue of beginning with the name under which people would normally look for this mineral--e.g., columbite--rather than, more confusingly, requiring people to search for them alphabetically under "F" and "M". However, this change in nomenclature as espoused in this book edition also seems to have been made somewhat unilaterally by the authors, because there has as yet been no formal publication "authorizing" this new nomenclature under the approval of the I.M.A. (International Mineralogical Association), and it has not met with universal acceptance by the world community of mineralogical scientists. So, the status of the "correct" names for the orthorhombic minerals FeNb2O6 and MnNb2O6 seems to be, at this time, somewhat in doubt. There is also an analogous magnesium mineral, MgNb2O6, named either magnocolumbite (traditional nomenclature) or columbite-(Mg) (proposed new system). Turning to the tantalum-rich orthorhombic minerals in this family, the same situation applies; Fe2TaO6, MgTa2O6, and MnTa2O6 all exist, and are named either ferrotantalite, magnesiotantalite, and manganotantalite, or tantalite-(Fe), tantalite-(Mg), and tantalite-(Mn). Well, at least one can say that it makes mineralogy a bit more interesting (though more confusing), having a debate and non-universal agreement as to how these (and quite a number of similarly disputed minerals) should properly be named. Pete Modreski (and, P.S., I'm going to correct the spelling of "lepidolite" in the title of this thread!) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 9 22:17:27 2008 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sun Mar 9 22:19:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Mini Miners Monthly for Kids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <494684.84585.qm@web82507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Regular set $12 Advanced set $28 Lapidry@aol.com wrote: I don't know if Wards Natural Science still carries them but they used to have a very large set of geometric shapes on paper, complete with tabs marked for folding and glueing..... Dan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Mon Mar 10 00:15:00 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Mon Mar 10 00:15:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lepidolite & the Micas References: <200803100101.m2A10scM001899@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <004401c8827e$74f89f00$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> This may sound simplistic, but Columbite is considered an archaic term. Ed, ferrocolumbite and manganocolumbite have been used in mineralogical literature, but the current correct usage is Columbite-(Fe), Columbite-(Mg) or Columbite-(Fe). I believe Niobium is a metalic element and not a mineral at all. Rock From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 10 07:21:58 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Mar 10 07:22:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails References: <002001c88097$c55f6700$0300000a@LarryRush><8CA4EB0D6B5FA3F-B68-352@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com> <003b01c8809c$8bc2ebc0$0300000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <004601c882ba$1a1b64f0$0300000a@LarryRush> After re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I realized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to read if subscripts were used. (Fe3O4, etc.) BUT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in Word, but not in Outlook Express. Does anyone know an easy way to do this? Larry From rpr at heidelberg.edu Mon Mar 10 07:25:06 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Mon Mar 10 07:25:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Super Iron Out In-Reply-To: <00a401c8706e$b770de00$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> References: <47B63B4C.20209@jeannius.com> <00a401c8706e$b770de00$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: As an addendum to a recent thread, I'll report a recent experience. I've just started using Super Iron Out to remove iron stains, and was having good luck with it. I had a specimen of hemimorphite that had some thin but stubborn iron/clay stains on it. I figured "Hey, it's a silicate, right? Should be safe". Put it in a solution of Super Iron Out, but forgot it and left it overnight. When I checked it again, the stain was gone. So was half the hemimorphite! As they say, test it with something you can afford to lose! Pete Richards From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 10 07:38:07 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 10 07:39:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails Message-ID: I sometimes find that if I type the formulas first in Word, with subscripts, and then past the text into an email message, the subscripts (or even special foreign accent characters) will stay there; but this depends on the email program, and I'm not sure if it will translate all the way through into the Rockhounds listserv mail or not. I guess I can give it a try right here! Pete test:: manganocolumbite, or if you will, columbite-(Mn): MnNb2O6 , or, (Mn,Fe)(Nb,Ta)2O6 The city of Canon City, Colorado, has officially designated that its town name should be written with the ?tilda? on the n, so it is properly written as Ca?on City, Colorado. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Mon Mar 10 07:52:36 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Mon Mar 10 07:53:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Super Iron Out References: <47B63B4C.20209@jeannius.com><00a401c8706e$b770de00$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <006f01c882be$61afd6d0$0300000a@LarryRush> I have only had one bad experience with Iron-Out. Although I have used it on Pyrite with good results, it created a black (lead sulphate?) coating on weathered Galena. That was subsequently removed with detergent. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Richards" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Super Iron Out > As an addendum to a recent thread, I'll report a recent experience. I've > just started using Super Iron Out to remove iron stains, and was having > good luck with it. I had a specimen of hemimorphite that had some thin > but stubborn iron/clay stains on it. I figured "Hey, it's a silicate, > right? Should be safe". Put it in a solution of Super Iron Out, but > forgot it and left it overnight. When I checked it again, the stain was > gone. So was half the hemimorphite! As they say, test it with something > you can afford to lose! > > Pete Richards > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Mon Mar 10 09:13:00 2008 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Mon Mar 10 09:13:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Super Iron Out In-Reply-To: <006f01c882be$61afd6d0$0300000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000d01c882c9$9cc36e70$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> I've had one negative experience with Iron Out too, with a specimen of Arkansas wavellite. It took most of the iron stain off the specimen but left the wavellite lusterless. I'm still not sure if the solution attacked the wavellite or deposited a coating on its surface. The same specimen had been treated with oxalic acid before, but part of the iron stain proved stubborn to remove, so I tried Iron Out. Suggestions welcome if anyone if familiar with this particular problem... Thanks- Earl Verbeek -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:53 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Super Iron Out I have only had one bad experience with Iron-Out. Although I have used it on Pyrite with good results, it created a black (lead sulphate?) coating on weathered Galena. That was subsequently removed with detergent. Larry From web_admin at ccfms.ca Mon Mar 10 09:47:07 2008 From: web_admin at ccfms.ca (CCFMS Web Admin) Date: Mon Mar 10 09:47:08 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <004601c882ba$1a1b64f0$0300000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it as plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting options such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via html. Hint --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your formatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, much like MS Word. The problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know some mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and cannot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. I'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is subscript Cheers, Stephen Douglas CCFMS Communications Director & Web Admin web_admin@ccfms.ca http://www.ccfms.ca/ -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails After re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I realized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to read if subscripts were used. (Fe3O4, etc.) BUT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in Word, but not in Outlook Express. Does anyone know an easy way to do this? Larry -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Mar 10 09:56:54 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 10 09:56:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003201c882cf$bed0b850$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Pete and Larry, It all depends which setting you apply in Outlook. If you don't allow HTML (for safety of to reduce size if you have one of those "free" accounts) the subscripts are transformed to plain text. If you choose to allow HTML they MAY come through as intended. If you want to make life easy, just go to my club's download page http://www.minerant.org/MKA/download.html and try the Mineral Formula Wizzard. It 's magic! While you're there, look at the "Fluo.exe" screensaver. ;-))) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: maandag 10 maart 2008 15:38 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > I sometimes find that if I type the formulas first in Word, > with subscripts, and then past the text into an email > message, the subscripts (or even special foreign accent > characters) will stay there; but this depends on the email > program, and I'm not sure if it will translate all the way > through into the Rockhounds listserv mail or not. I guess I > can give it a try right here! > > Pete > > > test:: > manganocolumbite, or if you will, columbite-(Mn): MnNb2O6 , or, > (Mn,Fe)(Nb,Ta)2O6 > The city of Canon City, Colorado, has officially designated > that its town name should be written with the ?tilda? on the > n, so it is properly written as Ca?on City, Colorado. > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on > AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 10 10:01:31 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:02:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> Message-ID: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> ? Stephen, As I viewed your post to the listserv, there?are no subscripts or superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there in what I had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca?on City came out OK).? Is this the way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? Pete "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is ubscript -----Original Message----- From: CCFMS Web Admin To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via tml. int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, uch like MS Word. he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is ubscript heers, tephen Douglas CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin eb_admin@ccfms.ca ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ ----Original Message----- rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to ead f subscripts were used. Fe3O4, etc.) UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in ord, but not in Outlook Express. oes anyone know an easy way to do this? arry - ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- ultipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html -- - ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 10:10:23 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:10:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> References: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tilda shows, sub and superscripts do not. The tilda n is Ascii 164 the sub and superscripts are not on the extended Ascii table. So that explains that, text only in this case extends to the full Ascii table.. BK On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:01 PM, wrote: > > > > Stephen, > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there are no subscripts or > superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there in what I > had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca?on City came out OK). Is this the > way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? > > Pete > > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > ubscript > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CCFMS Web Admin > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' < > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it > s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting > ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via > tml. > > int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your > ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, > uch like MS Word. > > he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know > ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and > annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. > > 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > ubscript > > heers, > tephen Douglas > CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > eb_admin@ccfms.ca > ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ > > ----Original Message----- > rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush > ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM > o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I > ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to > ead > f subscripts were used. > Fe3O4, etc.) > > UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in > ord, but not in Outlook Express. > > oes anyone know an easy way to do this? > > arry > > - > ______________________________________________ > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > ubscription Services: > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > ultipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > -- > - > ______________________________________________ > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > ubscription Services: > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Mon Mar 10 10:30:05 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:30:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> References: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> Message-ID: <45B0841B-5B51-4AA1-9AEF-6AF2CD8842E8@heidelberg.edu> To broaden the discussion, I use the Macintosh Mail program. I did not get the subscripts/superscripts in Pete's test posting or in Stephen Douglas' test posting. It does not seem to offer to let me make sub/superscripts, though I can change the font size, so I can give you CaSO4?2H2O. The help utility suggests that if I can make subscripts in a Unicode- using program (e.g. MS Word), then copy and paste them into my email, the receiver of the email should be able to open the email and paste the text into such a program and see the subscripts, even if they don't show up in the email itself. From Word (base font size 18pt): Na2SO4?7H2O by the m3. Oh, look, it shows up with the sub and superscripts on my screen, anyway. Pete Richards On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:47 PM, CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > > I'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. > This is > subscript > > Cheers, > Stephen Douglas > ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 10:40:51 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:40:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <45B0841B-5B51-4AA1-9AEF-6AF2CD8842E8@heidelberg.edu> References: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> <45B0841B-5B51-4AA1-9AEF-6AF2CD8842E8@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: Nope doesn't work on list posts. The list software strips any non ASCII characters and you can cut and paste but the result is limited to the ASCII character set. The UNICODE data has gone to that great bit bucket and will not be seen again. BK On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Pete Richards wrote: > To broaden the discussion, I use the Macintosh Mail program. I did > not get the subscripts/superscripts in Pete's test posting or in > Stephen Douglas' test posting. It does not seem to offer to let me > make sub/superscripts, though I can change the font size, so I can > give you > CaSO4?2H2O. > > The help utility suggests that if I can make subscripts in a Unicode- > using program (e.g. MS Word), then copy and paste them into my email, > the receiver of the email should be able to open the email and paste > the text into such a program and see the subscripts, even if they > don't show up in the email itself. > > From Word (base font size 18pt): Na2SO4?7H2O by the m3. > Oh, look, it shows up with the sub and superscripts on my screen, > anyway. > > Pete Richards > > > > On Mar 10, 2008, at 12:47 PM, CCFMS Web Admin wrote: > > > > I'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. > > This is > > subscript > > > > Cheers, > > Stephen Douglas > > ___________________________________ > > R. Peter Richards > rpr@heidelberg.edu > Morphological crystallographer > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Mar 10 10:48:34 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:49:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> References: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004f01c882d6$f61f0760$6401a8c0@AxelHP> To me? Yes, your tilda looks good. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens pmodreski@aol.com > Verzonden: maandag 10 maart 2008 18:02 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > ? > > Stephen, > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there?are no > subscripts or superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain > text (nor were there in what I had posted earlier, though my > tilda in Ca?on City came out OK).? Is this the way it > appeared to you and to everyone else, too? > > Pete > > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is > superscript. This is ubscript > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CCFMS Web Admin > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of > sending it s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to > use formatting ptions such as subscripts or superscripts > choose to send the email via tml. > > int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not > appear in your ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and > select what you would like, uch like MS Word. > > he problem may lie when you send your email to the > listserver. I know ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS > included) accept text only and annot properly interpret the > subscript or superscript options. > > 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is > superscript. This is ubscript > > heers, > tephen Douglas > CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin eb_admin@ccfms.ca > ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ > > ----Original Message----- > rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Lawrence Rush > ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM > o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this > morning, I ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails > would be a lot easier to ead f subscripts were used. > Fe3O4, etc.) > > UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can > do it in ord, but not in Outlook Express. > > oes anyone know an easy way to do this? > > arry > > - > ______________________________________________ > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > ubscription Services: > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > ultipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html > -- > - > ______________________________________________ > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > ubscription Services: > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rpr at heidelberg.edu Mon Mar 10 10:57:31 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (Pete Richards) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:57:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c882ce$60bf4200$ab69d543@sdouglas> <45B0841B-5B51-4AA1-9AEF-6AF2CD8842E8@heidelberg.edu> Message-ID: <5C66745B-3247-4BD4-9BDC-2047CD366F07@heidelberg.edu> Sure enough. Darn! Oh well, it was worth a try.... Pete On Mar 10, 2008, at 1:40 PM, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Nope doesn't work on list posts. The list software strips any non > ASCII > characters and you can cut and paste but the result is limited to > the ASCII > character set. The UNICODE data has gone to that great bit bucket > and will > not be seen again. > > BK > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Pete Richards > wrote: > >> ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Mon Mar 10 12:50:39 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Mon Mar 10 12:50:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080310195039.AEBC91CC42@io.frii.com> Of course, it's amusing to see that Pete's reply contains quoted-printable escape sequences... Which you might NOT see here if YOUR email client is being too clever behind your back! > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there=C2=A0are no subscripts or > super= scripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there > in what I had=20= posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca=C3=B1on City > came out OK).=C2=A0 Is th= is the way it appeared to you and to > everyone else, too? Me, I want plain ol' text unless there's a reason to get fancy. Alan Silverstein From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 13:28:16 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 10 13:30:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] A good laugh Message-ID: Hmm, someone has never heard of the conservation of angular momentum nor continental drift. BK -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lehkerd at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 18:27:12 2008 From: lehkerd at gmail.com (david lehker) Date: Mon Mar 10 18:27:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Help getting dirty In-Reply-To: <002001c87827$4736f1e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <586657cc0802251636k3fc949c5t8353bd8ae6705511@mail.gmail.com> <002001c87827$4736f1e0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <586657cc0803101827j31ebf199v8a7b7d5100c442bd@mail.gmail.com> HI Alan, Thanks again for the leads. We ended up doing some exploring in southern Indiana and a bit further east in Kentucky where we were able to find a number of Geodes. The kids in our club will have a fun meeting later this spring! We hope to explore them once we're sure that the snow is passed - quite a storm! Thanks, Dave On 2/25/08, Alan Goldstein wrote: > > I suggest Hwy 313 north of Elizabethtown, KY. Mississippian fossils and > geodes (gypsum or calcite depending on the road cut). Hwy 155 and Hwy 44 > around Taylorsville is another great fossil area. If you go to > www.fallsoftheohio.org, you will find a link to 13 collecting locations in > Indiana and Kentucky. You should also stop at the Falls of the Ohio State > Park Interpretive Center and look around. If it is during the week, you > might even be able to extract me from my computer - although I will be > away > at meetings mid week. The forecast for next week is a bit chilly for this > time of year, though it is certainly warmer than Michigan! > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david lehker" > To: "rockhounds" > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:36 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Help getting dirty > > > > Help! My wife and I are stuck being cold in snowy Michigan, but we have > > an > > opportunity to head south for a few days next week and week-end. We > > really > > want to get dirty and you can help by providing any leads on hounding > > sites > > in Kentucky/Tennesse. We thought we'd head toward Nashville, but really > > have no destination other than the ones you provide. We have done a bit > > of > > exploring for Geodes east of Nashville in the past, but would love to > > explore other ideas. Thanks in advance for any leads! > > > > Frozen Dave in perpetually cloudy Michigan. > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 10 19:03:14 2008 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Mar 10 19:03:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite Message-ID: <031120080203.5894.47D5E862000011C10000170622230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> To Misters Turner, Modreski and Currier: Gentlemen, I stand corrected. I seem to have been re-stating an article by Bob Jones in Rock and Gem Mag, circa 1995 or '96. Bjut, let's keep the scientists in the fore. EW --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) multipart/related text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 10 19:22:44 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 10 19:24:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite In-Reply-To: <031120080203.5894.47D5E862000011C10000170622230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> References: <031120080203.5894.47D5E862000011C10000170622230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> Message-ID: <47D5ECF4.5050204@verizon.net> edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net wrote: > To Misters Turner, Modreski and Currier: Gentlemen, I stand corrected. I seem to have been re-stating an article by Bob Jones in Rock and Gem Mag, circa 1995 or '96. Bjut, let's keep the scientists in the fore. EW I'm just curious regarding what is the original reference for using Levinson modifiers to designate the primary transition metal cation in a mineral. I must say it does make good sense if used properly, but I don't know if anyone has ever written up and standardized this type of usage. Don From tam2819 at cox.net Mon Mar 10 19:28:27 2008 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Mon Mar 10 19:28:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron Out and Macs and Formatting Code In-Reply-To: <200803110101.m2B11ir9008104@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200803110101.m2B11ir9008104@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: I have recently purchased Iron Out at WalMart. First I am trying to clean rusty tweezers in our class studio, Well, sort of did, but much more needs to be done, like heaven forbid students can take the pliers out of the sink, nah too much work. Also, I have a piece of fabricated silver that apparently a piece of steel shot has embedded itself within, and I get that great copper color when pickling. So I am soaking in iron Out. Nowhere on the label does it show application to either of the above. So my question of you wise ones, what is the quantity for mixing, and for how long does the mixture work? I left the silver piece soak over night, and opening the studio in the morning will tell the tale. Mixing the stuff is rather unpleasantly stinky. Using hot water leads to bubbling. I really have no idea just how to use this stuff, Help. Now for macs and PC formatting codes. I am often amused by the strange symbols I see surrounding words. I assume they are accent marks, but have no clue. Yes plain text works well, but folks need to accent their comments. There are a few of us upon whom those efforts are for naught. Hugs and Thanks, Terrie From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 10 20:15:54 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 10 20:16:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite Message-ID: It was standardized (the original paper was by Levinson himself, back several decades ago--but only for the rare-earth minerals. Using this system for other minerals was the subject of quite a bit of discussion in Tucson; apparently, the authors of the Glossary of Minerals unilaterally decided to adopt this system for the mineral names therein, for many mineral groups--apatite, apophyllite, columbite--I haven't checked through the whole Glossary to see how many names they thus altered. People seemed to feel that it was premature for them to have done this, because there has not been any formal IMA--sanctioned journal article published, stating that "this is the agreed-upon way this shall be done". The sentiment expressed was that "the way mineral names are thus written, in the Glossary, has no "official" status; it is just one pair of authors' personal opinion as to how they would like to see these names used. Whereas as I said, this convention has the virtue of the minerals being grouped together alphabetically, it has the down sides of dropping some long-accepted mineral names, and also, of some of these names becoming quite cumbersome--becoming not just a name, but a shorteneed version of the chemical formula, which in some cases leads to the question--how the heck do you pronounce this name verbally, without explaining where all the parentheses go and so forth? For example, the common mineral of the apatite group, which of course in the old days used to be just called "apatite" and we have now finally just about convinved and informed everyone, is properly known as fluorapatite, is now listed in the Glossary as, "apatite-(CaF)". I'm really not sure how one is supposed to say that when speaking. I took a picture of one specimen label in a case at the Tucson Show, which did display a specimen of apatite, labeled this way; Apatite-(CaF), from the Pea Ridge mine, Missouri. It was, of course, in a case of specimens from the Royal Ontario Museum (home of both authors of the present edition of the Glossary). My personal feeling is that this is NOT the most desirable system for mineral names, and that there is a good chance that it may not really be adopted widely, or that it may be simply ignored. I kind of hope that this is the first and last time I will have seen "apatite-(CaF)" printed on a mineral label! As I say, just my personal opinion on this. So I would advise collectors and museum NOT to rush out and re-do all their labels. Pete Modreski **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 10 20:52:45 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 10 20:53:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D6020D.1010900@verizon.net> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > It was standardized (the original paper was by Levinson himself, back > several decades ago--but only for the rare-earth minerals. Oh I am quite familiar with this; and as you stated, it was written for the rare earth minerals, but as Al told me once, the nomenclature must be applied to combinations of structure and chemistry and shouldn't be applied arbitrarily to minerals outside the group he discussed--that conversation was at Rochester Symposium 2003, I think. > Using this system for other minerals was the subject of quite a bit of > discussion in Tucson; apparently, the authors of the Glossary of Minerals > unilaterally decided to adopt this system for the mineral names therein, for many > mineral groups I would be shocked if that were the case. I would have expected Joe, and his comrades, heirs and assigns holding the Fleischer grail, to maintain a meticulous regard for current standard nomeclature. This is also based on conversations from the past. Of course, Al Levinson and Joe Mandarino have gone to a better place, so they cannot weigh in on the conversation. Who knows how it would occur. There is always debate between the "lumpers" and the "splitters", but it seems there is a potential compromise at hand here, if we consider the "root name" (e.g., columbite, apatite) as the lumping and the modifier as the splitting, with all the minerals of that type listed in nice alphabetical order. However I think using the occupancy of the halogen position in apatites (the "F" in your "CaF" example) is going too far, for reasons too long to explain, but relating in general to the fact that a Cl, F, or (OH) in that position really defines the apatite, but there can be a lot of substitution in that position whereby it becomes quite difficult to determine which one you have in the first place. Well speaking of analysis I must get back to my data.... we're not going to solve this issue here, anyway, but I think people should keep an eye on the literature to see what is happening on this topic. Best, Don From jerrybs at frii.com Mon Mar 10 22:05:07 2008 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Mon Mar 10 21:15:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Super Iron Out In-Reply-To: <000d01c882c9$9cc36e70$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> References: <006f01c882be$61afd6d0$0300000a@LarryRush> <000d01c882c9$9cc36e70$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> Message-ID: <20080311041532.3EC2167847@mail.frii.com> I tried using Super Iron Out to remove rust stains on some Saddle Mtn wood. After about 4 hours, some of the exterior of the wood turned green. Now I need to figure out how to remove the green. Jerry WA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1324 - Release Date: 3/10/08 7:27 PM From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Mar 10 21:38:58 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 10 21:33:24 2008 Subject: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} References: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D60B37.3A5@Tomaszewski.net> The list only accepts text formats to prevent the spread of malware. Kreigh pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > ?? > > Stephen, > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there??are no subscripts or superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there in what I had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca??on City came out OK).?? Is this the way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? > > Pete > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > ubscript > > -----Original Message----- > From: CCFMS Web Admin > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' > Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it > s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting > ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via > tml. > > int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your > ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, > uch like MS Word. > > he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know > ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and > annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. > > 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > ubscript > > heers, > tephen Douglas > CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > eb_admin@ccfms.ca > ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ > > ----Original Message----- > rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush > ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM > o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I > ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to > ead > f subscripts were used. > Fe3O4, etc.) > > UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in > ord, but not in Outlook Express. > > oes anyone know an easy way to do this? > > arry > > - > ______________________________________________ > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > ubscription Services: > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > ultipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > -- > - > ______________________________________________ > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > ubscription Services: > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From brenick at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 04:51:46 2008 From: brenick at gmail.com (Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Tue Mar 11 04:51:59 2008 Subject: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} In-Reply-To: <47D60B37.3A5@Tomaszewski.net> References: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <47D60B37.3A5@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <97175ae90803110451w2af25c4ep2ae072c376c61fa1@mail.gmail.com> same here...tilda only On 3/11/08, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > The list only accepts text formats to prevent the spread of malware. > > Kreigh > > > > > > pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there are no subscripts or > superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there in what I > had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca?on City came out OK). Is this the > way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? > > > > Pete > > > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > > ubscript > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CCFMS Web Admin > > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' > > > Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it > > s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting > > ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via > > tml. > > > > int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your > > ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, > > uch like MS Word. > > > > he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know > > ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and > > annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. > > > > 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > > > My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > > ubscript > > > > heers, > > tephen Douglas > > CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > > eb_admin@ccfms.ca > > ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ > > > > ----Original Message----- > > rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush > > ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM > > o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I > > ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to > > ead > > f subscripts were used. > > Fe3O4, etc.) > > > > UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in > > ord, but not in Outlook Express. > > > > oes anyone know an easy way to do this? > > > > arry > > > > - > > ______________________________________________ > > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > ubscription Services: > > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > ultipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > -- > > - > > ______________________________________________ > > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > ubscription Services: > > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 05:03:08 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 11 05:03:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron Out and Macs and Formatting Code In-Reply-To: References: <200803110101.m2B11ir9008104@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Not a good idea to use it on steel tweezers which are iron after all. I'd use Naval Jelly for those, you can get it at hardware stores and maybe Walmart. BK On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Teresa Masters wrote: > I have recently purchased Iron Out at WalMart. First I am trying to > clean rusty tweezers in our class studio, Well, sort of did, but much > more needs to be done, like heaven forbid students can take the > pliers out of the sink, nah too much work. > > Also, I have a piece of fabricated silver that apparently a piece of > steel shot has embedded itself within, and I get that great copper > color when pickling. So I am soaking in iron Out. Nowhere on the > label does it show application to either of the above. So my question > of you wise ones, what is the quantity for mixing, and for how long > does the mixture work? > > I left the silver piece soak over night, and opening the studio in > the morning will tell the tale. Mixing the stuff is rather > unpleasantly stinky. Using hot water leads to bubbling. I really have > no idea just how to use this stuff, Help. > > Now for macs and PC formatting codes. I am often amused by the > strange symbols I see surrounding words. I assume they are accent > marks, but have no clue. Yes plain text works well, but folks need to > accent their comments. There are a few of us upon whom those efforts > are for naught. > Hugs and Thanks, > Terrie > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Mar 11 06:28:56 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 06:29:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails Message-ID: I'm just curious to write again and see if the List will print umlauts (or whatever one calls that same symbol when it appears on words of (Swedish) derivation); and likewise, the symbol (never known quite what you call it, I believe it's also from Swedish) that consists of a single circle over an "a"--such as in these two mineral names; ulvospinel is supposed to have a double-dot symbol over the o, and akermanite, a small-circle symbol over the first a: ulv?spinel ?kermanite let's see what these look like as the listserv transmits them. Pete **************It's Tax Time! 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 06:43:31 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 11 06:43:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC4gSGVyZSBpcyBh biBBU0NJSSBjaGFydC4gWW91IGNhbgp0eXBlIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVycyBieSB1c2lu ZyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIHBhZCAobnVtYmVyIGtleXMgYXQgdGhlIHRvcAp3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3JrKS4g SG9sZCBkb3duIHRoZSBhbHQga2V5IGFuZCB0eXBlIHRoZSAzIGRpZ2l0IG51bWJlciBpbiwgYWx0 CjIzMyBpcyDOmCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4KCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFzY2lpdGFibGUuY29tLz4KCkJL CgpPbiBUdWUsIE1hciAxMSwgMjAwOCBhdCA5OjI4IEFNLCA8UG1vZHJlc2tpQGFvbC5jb20+IHdy b3RlOgoKPiBJJ20ganVzdCBjdXJpb3VzIHRvIHdyaXRlIGFnYWluIGFuZCBzZWUgaWYgdGhlIExp c3Qgd2lsbCBwcmludCB1bWxhdXRzIChvcgo+IHdoYXRldmVyIG9uZSBjYWxscyB0aGF0IHNhbWUg c3ltYm9sIHdoZW4gaXQgYXBwZWFycyBvbiB3b3JkcyBvZiAoU3dlZGlzaCkKPiBkZXJpdmF0aW9u KTsgYW5kIGxpa2V3aXNlLCB0aGUgc3ltYm9sIChuZXZlciBrbm93biBxdWl0ZSB3aGF0IHlvdSBj YWxsIGl0LAo+IEkKPiBiZWxpZXZlIGl0J3MgYWxzbyBmcm9tIFN3ZWRpc2gpIHRoYXQgY29uc2lz dHMgb2YgYSBzaW5nbGUgY2lyY2xlIG92ZXIgYW4KPiAiYSItLXN1Y2ggYXMgaW4gdGhlc2UgdHdv IG1pbmVyYWwgbmFtZXM7IHVsdm9zcGluZWwgaXMgc3VwcG9zZWQgdG8gaGF2ZSBhCj4gIGRvdWJs ZS1kb3QKPiBzeW1ib2wgb3ZlciB0aGUgbywgYW5kIGFrZXJtYW5pdGUsIGEgc21hbGwtY2lyY2xl IHN5bWJvbCBvdmVyIHRoZSAgZmlyc3QKPiBhOgo+Cj4KPiB1bHbDtnNwaW5lbAo+IMOla2VybWFu aXRlCj4gbGV0J3Mgc2VlIHdoYXQgdGhlc2UgbG9vayBsaWtlIGFzIHRoZSBsaXN0c2VydiB0cmFu c21pdHMgdGhlbS4KPiBQZXRlCj4KPgo+Cj4gKioqKioqKioqKioqKipJdCdzIFRheCBUaW1lISBH ZXQgdGlwcywgZm9ybXMsIGFuZCBhZHZpY2Ugb24gQU9MIE1vbmV5ICYKPiBGaW5hbmNlLiAgICAg IChodHRwOi8vbW9uZXkuYW9sLmNvbS90YXg/TkNJRD1hb2xwcmYwMDAzMDAwMDAwMDAwMSkKPgo+ Cj4gLS0tIFN0cmlwTWltZSBSZXBvcnQgLS0gcHJvY2Vzc2VkIE1JTUUgcGFydHMgLS0tCj4gbXVs dGlwYXJ0L2FsdGVybmF0aXZlCj4gIHRleHQvcGxhaW4gKHRleHQgYm9keSAtLSBrZXB0KQo+ICB0 ZXh0L2h0bWwKPiAtLS0KPiAtLQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gUm9ja2hvdW5kc0Bkcml6emxlIE1haWxpbmcgTGlzdAo+IFN1YnNjcmlw dGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlczoKPiBodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZHJpenpsZS5jb20vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5m by9yb2NraG91bmRzCj4gTGlzdCBIb21lIFBhZ2UsIHdpdGggYSBsaW5rIHRvIHRoZSBMaXN0IFVz YWdlIFBvbGljeToKPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmVjbGVjdGljbGFwaWRhcnkuY29tL1JvY2tob3VuZHMv aW5kZXguaHRtbAo+CgoKCi0tIAoiUGhvdG9ncmFwaHksIGFzIHdlIGFsbCBrbm93LCBpcyBub3Qg cmVhbCBhdCBhbGwuIEl0IGlzIGFuIGlsbHVzaW9uIG9mCnJlYWxpdHkgd2l0aCB3aGljaCB3ZSBj cmVhdGUgb3VyIG93biBwcml2YXRlIHdvcmxkLiIKQXJub2xkIE5ld21hbgoKCkogQnJ5YW4gS3Jh bWVyCk5vcnRoIEZsb3JpZGEsIFVTQQpwaG90b3MgYXQ6Cmh0dHA6Ly9wYmFzZS5jb20vcGhvdG9i dXJuZXIK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Tue Mar 11 06:56:34 2008 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Tue Mar 11 06:56:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite In-Reply-To: <47D5ECF4.5050204@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001c8837f$b7e98980$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> Don Halterman wrote: I'm just curious regarding what is the original reference for using Levinson modifiers to designate the primary transition metal cation in a mineral. I must say it does make good sense if used properly, but I don't know if anyone has ever written up and standardized this type of usage. Don Hi Don (and list), Here's the reference: Levinson, A.A., 1966, A system of nomenclature for rare-earth minerals: The American Mineralogist, vol. 51, pp. 152-158. This is the original paper that introduced Levinson modifiers to rare-earth minerals to reduce the proliferation of new mineral names. Levinson modifiers have been adopted by the IMA and are now in standard use. As explained on p. 155 of this paper, ?Whenever the rare-earth element distribution has been determined for a rare-earth mineral, the chemical symbol for the predominant rare-earth element is appended (by means of a hyphen), in parentheses, to the group name; this results in a species name. Examples: monazite-(Ce); monazite-(La); gadolinite-(Ce).? As Pete Modreski wrote, there has been a push in recent years, an increasingly vigorous one, to apply Levinson-type modifiers to other groups of minerals. Witness our beloved hancockite being renamed epidote-(Pb). You can imagine the chorus of groans over that one in the Franklin-Sterling Hill area. Here's the reference: Armbruster, T., Bonazzi, P., Akasaka, M., Bermanec, V., Chopin, C., Gier?, R., Heuss-Assbichler, S., Liebscher, A., Menchetti, S., Pan, Y., and Pasero, M., 2006, Recommended nomenclature of epidote-group minerals: European Journal of Mineralogy, vol. 18, pp. 551-567. Since we're also having a discussion about diacritical marks (umlauts, tildes, etc.) in mineral names, here are some more references: Nickel, E.H. and Grice, J.D., The IMA Commission on New Minerals and Mineral Names: Procedures and guidelines on mineral nomenclature, 1998: The Canadian Mineralogist, vol. 36, p. 3-16. Mandarino, J.A., 2007, Diacritical marks in mineral names: Mineralogical Record, vol. 38, no. 3, p. 193-194. On page 9 of the Nickel and Grice paper appears this statement: ?Diacritical marks should be retained wherever possible . . .? The authors go on to state that such marks may be omitted if printing establishments lack the capability of printing them, but the clear preference of the IMA is that they be used wherever it is possible to do so. Mandarino echoes this (p. 193) by noting that ?the official names for minerals are those approved by the IMA, and diacritical marks abound among these. Such marks are . . . essential parts of the root names on which the mineral names are based. The IMA does not approve alternate spellings . . .? Mandarino also states that because of modern word-processing systems ?there is no longer any excuse for avoiding the use of them? (diacritical marks). Without diacritical marks we'd be likely to mispronounce rom?ite, wouldn't we? However, in the recent effort to simplify mineral names I?ve also heard that the question of diacritical marks is being revisited, and they may yet be abandoned. Cheers- Earl Verbeek --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 11 08:23:57 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 11 08:23:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP> C?ngr?t?l?t???s Brian, this is without any doubt the most useful contribution to this topic ;-))) Now I can write those hard core Swedish locality names without having to buy a Scandinavian keyboard overlay. A bit like the difference in being a good cook and a chef... You just have to know certain things to make your life easier. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: dinsdag 11 maart 2008 14:44 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails > > You mean the ? and ? the umlaut is ? and ?. Here is an ASCII > chart. You can type any of the characters by using the number > pad (number keys at the top will not work). Hold down the alt > key and type the 3 digit number in, alt > 233 is T for example. > > > > BK > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > > > I'm just curious to write again and see if the List will > print umlauts > > (or whatever one calls that same symbol when it appears on words of > > (Swedish) derivation); and likewise, the symbol (never known quite > > what you call it, I believe it's also from Swedish) that > consists of a > > single circle over an "a"--such as in these two mineral names; > > ulvospinel is supposed to have a double-dot symbol over the o, and > > akermanite, a small-circle symbol over the first > > a: > > > > > > ulv?spinel > > ?kermanite > > let's see what these look like as the listserv transmits them. > > Pete > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on > AOL Money & > > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an > illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > J?yi ?0k*Z??b^?mnrmmf > From pmodreski at aol.com Tue Mar 11 08:34:26 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 08:35:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> Hmm, more curious puzzlements... Axel, I was certainly glad to read your reply comment to Bryan Kramer's post, because I could not read his original post at all; all that came through for me was a big block of nonsense text, which began WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC4gSGVyZSBpcyBh biBBU0NJSSBjaGFydC4gWW91IGNhbgp0eXBlIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVycyBieSB1c2lu ZyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIHBhZCAobnVtYmVyIGtleXMgYXQgdGhlIHRvcAp3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3JrKS4g SG9sZCBkb3duIHRoZSBhbHQga2V5IGFuZCB0eXBlIHRoZSAzIGRpZ2l0IG51bWJlciBpbiwgYWx0 CjIzMyBpcyDOmCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4KCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFzY2lpdGFibGUuY29tLz4KCkJL and continued on for another several tens of lines... interesting.? But now thanks to your responding to that, I know what his message was supposed to say!? I wonder if many other people received his message in the form I did. Pete C?ngr?t?l?t???s Brian, this is without any doubt the most useful ontribution to this topic ;-))) ow I can write those hard core Swedish locality names without having to buy Scandinavian keyboard overlay. xel Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails You mean the ? and ? the umlaut is ? and ?. Here is an ASCII chart. You can type any of the characters by using the number pad (number keys at the top will not work). Hold down the alt key and type the 3 digit number in, alt 233 is T for example. BK ? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 08:55:07 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 11 08:55:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> References: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Strange, my message wasn't even that long. BK On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > Hmm, more curious puzzlements... Axel, I was certainly glad to read your > reply comment to Bryan Kramer's post, because I could not read his original > post at all; all that came through for me was a big block of nonsense text, > which began > > > WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC4gSGVyZSBpcyBh > > biBBU0NJSSBjaGFydC4gWW91IGNhbgp0eXBlIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVycyBieSB1c2lu > > ZyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIHBhZCAobnVtYmVyIGtleXMgYXQgdGhlIHRvcAp3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3JrKS4g > > SG9sZCBkb3duIHRoZSBhbHQga2V5IGFuZCB0eXBlIHRoZSAzIGRpZ2l0IG51bWJlciBpbiwgYWx0 > > CjIzMyBpcyDOmCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4KCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFzY2lpdGFibGUuY29tLz4KCkJL > > and continued on for another several tens of lines... interesting. But > now thanks to your responding to that, I know what his message was supposed > to say! I wonder if many other people received his message in the form I > did. > > Pete > > > C?ngr?t?l?t???s Brian, this is without any doubt the most useful > ontribution to this topic ;-))) > ow I can write those hard core Swedish locality names without having to > buy > Scandinavian keyboard overlay. > xel > Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails > > You mean the ? and ? the umlaut is ? and ?. Here is an ASCII > chart. You can type any of the characters by using the number > pad (number keys at the top will not work). Hold down the alt > key and type the 3 digit number in, alt > 233 is T for example. > > > > BK > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Tue Mar 11 09:04:59 2008 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Tue Mar 11 09:09:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral stamps-AD Message-ID: <47D6ADAB.4060001@ncmail.net> List, If anyone is interested in a Stamp Collection featuring minerals, dinosaurs, oil wells, mining topics, cave topics and other geology topics. Contact me off list. Thanks to all. Kenny kenny.gay@ncmail.net From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 11 10:17:23 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:17:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> References: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003701c8839b$c53f7920$6401a8c0@AxelHP> > Hmm, more curious puzzlements... Axel, I was certainly glad > to read your reply comment to Bryan Kramer's post, because I > could not read his original post at all; > all that came > through for me was a big block of nonsense text, which began > WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC Hi Pete, sure I can read this... It goes like: double-U double-U ninety one I gee one L why double-U for geedee.... I don't have a clue what it mean however (ROFLMAO. I'm like this all the time. So, you gotta respect my wife for enduring this for 25 years plus courtship and engagement.) > and continued on for another several tens of lines... > interesting.? But now thanks to your responding to that, I > know what his message was supposed to say!? I wonder if many > other people received his message in the form I did. I'll agree that we flemish people have an advantage over you since we speak gibberish all the time (according to outlanders). Cheers Axel From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Mar 11 10:26:46 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:26:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Connecticut earthquake References: <002001c88097$c55f6700$0300000a@LarryRush><8CA4EB0D6B5FA3F-B68-352@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com><003b01c8809c$8bc2ebc0$0300000a@LarryRush> <004601c882ba$1a1b64f0$0300000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <002701c8839d$1538d790$0300000a@LarryRush> An unusual event last evening, near Chester, CT. A magnitude 2.0 tremor. This is very near the site in Moodus where there have been many episodes of "Moodus noises" reported from the time of the Native americans to the present. http://www.earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/ne00001046.php Californians (and others) may consider this a non-event, but it's a "biggie" for us! For some interesting folklore and mysticism, see http://www.curbstone.org/index.cfm?webpage=96 Google ("Moodus noises") has many listings of the factual geologic conditions contributing to the quake. Larry Rush From hammerron at yahoo.com Tue Mar 11 10:34:33 2008 From: hammerron at yahoo.com (The Hammer) Date: Tue Mar 11 10:34:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Connecticut earthquake Message-ID: <716320.50443.qm@web83503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Larry, Thank you for sharing that info, as it's something that I'm interested in, and I simply would not have know about this quake without your email. Looks like I can tweak my page at http://hammerron.com/quakes.htm a bit (slowly compiling info on Connecticut quake related info) -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: Lawrence Rush To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:26:46 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Connecticut earthquake An unusual event last evening, near Chester, CT. A magnitude 2.0 tremor. This is very near the site in Moodus where there have been many episodes of "Moodus noises" reported from the time of the Native americans to the present. http://www.earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/ne00001046.php Californians (and others) may consider this a non-event, but it's a "biggie" for us! For some interesting folklore and mysticism, see http://www.curbstone.org/index.cfm?webpage=96 Google ("Moodus noises") has many listings of the factual geologic conditions contributing to the quake. Larry Rush -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From screenflot at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 11:44:21 2008 From: screenflot at comcast.net (gary mangan) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:32:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] thundereggs Message-ID: <000801c883a7$ee59d1a0$3d30164c@hsd1.wa.comcast.net> Hi, Long time lurker here, i know this isnt following current thread but hey its slow!. So on behalf of site operator i invite you to check out the Eibonvale thunderegg gallery (dont know how to add link) and ask you to please send pictures. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 11 11:36:25 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:36:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP><8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004101c883a6$d0069040$6401a8c0@AxelHP> It doesn't look "hexed" to me (or should I say: hexadecimalized? ;-)))) More like something that an asci(i)dian in a poetic mood would produce. Just kidding, I got the text just fine. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: dinsdag 11 maart 2008 16:55 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails > > Strange, my message wasn't even that long. > > BK > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > > > Hmm, more curious puzzlements... Axel, I was certainly glad to read > > your reply comment to Bryan Kramer's post, because I could not read > > his original post at all; all that came through for me was > a big block > > of nonsense text, which began > > > > > > > WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC4gSGVyZS > > BpcyBh > > > > > biBBU0NJSSBjaGFydC4gWW91IGNhbgp0eXBlIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVycyBieS > > B1c2lu > > > > > ZyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIHBhZCAobnVtYmVyIGtleXMgYXQgdGhlIHRvcAp3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3 > > JrKS4g > > > > > SG9sZCBkb3duIHRoZSBhbHQga2V5IGFuZCB0eXBlIHRoZSAzIGRpZ2l0IG51bWJlciBpbi > > wgYWx0 > > > > > CjIzMyBpcyDOmCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4KCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFzY2lpdGFibGUuY29tLz > > 4KCkJL > > > > and continued on for another several tens of lines... interesting. > > But now thanks to your responding to that, I know what his > message was > > supposed to say! I wonder if many other people received > his message > > in the form I did. > > > > Pete > > > > > > C?ngr?t?l?t???s Brian, this is without any doubt the most useful > > ontribution to this topic ;-))) ow I can write those hard > core Swedish > > locality names without having to buy Scandinavian keyboard overlay. > > xel > > Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > You mean the ? and ? the umlaut is ? and ?. Here is an > ASCII chart. > > You can type any of the characters by using the number pad (number > > keys at the top will not work). Hold down the alt key and > type the 3 > > digit number in, alt > > 233 is T for example. > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an > illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From ajs at frii.com Tue Mar 11 11:42:21 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Tue Mar 11 11:42:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080311184221.29B911CC42@io.frii.com> > Hmm, more curious puzzlements... Axel, I was certainly glad to read your rep= > ly comment to Bryan Kramer's post, because I could not read his original pos= > t at all; all that came through for me was a big block of nonsense text, whi= > ch began > > WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC4gSGVyZSBpcyBh > biBBU0NJSSBjaGFydC4gWW91IGNhbgp0eXBlIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVycyBieSB1c2lu > ZyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIHBhZCAobnVtYmVyIGtleXMgYXQgdGhlIHRvcAp3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3JrKS4g > SG9sZCBkb3duIHRoZSBhbHQga2V5IGFuZCB0eXBlIHRoZSAzIGRpZ2l0IG51bWJlciBpbiwgYWx0 > CjIzMyBpcyDOmCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4KCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFzY2lpdGFibGUuY29tLz4KCkJL Pete et al, that's called "base-64 encoded", which basically converts everything, if it thinks there's anything which is not portable, into known-printable letters representing the original binary bits. It's amusing that your email client will silently send "quoted-printable" text, and substitute "?" for odd chars, but won't automatically read base-64. :-) Dunno if you can see it or not, but for me the first four lines above end at "=" signs representing an inserted newline. Quite possibly many readers' email clients will rejoin them, putting the ">" quote marks in the middle of the text... In the old days before PCs took over and "appliance users" became the norm, if base-64 was even an issue, I'd just post a little base64.c source program I got from someone else, that you can use to decode this stuff. But who thought we'd see the day when most computers didn't even even have compilers on them? I call all this the "Tower of Babel Syndrome." All fueled by good intentions and anarchical freedom, but most people composing email or other documents have no idea what their precious data really looks like when the program gets through "fixing it up for them." Example, people compose documents of plain old text in Word because they simply don't know or have any other way to do it simpler. Cheers, Alan (old dog) Silverstein From getclyde at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 13:44:24 2008 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde Phillips) Date: Tue Mar 11 13:46:27 2008 Subject: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} In-Reply-To: <97175ae90803110451w2af25c4ep2ae072c376c61fa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <47D60B37.3A5@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90803110451w2af25c4ep2ae072c376c61fa1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007a01c883b8$b1402010$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> e=mc??H?O -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Brenda Van Dyke Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:52 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} same here...tilda only On 3/11/08, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > The list only accepts text formats to prevent the spread of malware. > > Kreigh > > > > > > pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there are no subscripts or > superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there in what I > had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca?on City came out OK). Is this the > way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? > > > > Pete > > > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > > ubscript > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CCFMS Web Admin > > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' > > > Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it > > s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting > > ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via > > tml. > > > > int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your > > ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, > > uch like MS Word. > > > > he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know > > ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and > > annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. > > > > 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > > > My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > > ubscript > > > > heers, > > tephen Douglas > > CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > > eb_admin@ccfms.ca > > ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ > > > > ----Original Message----- > > rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush > > ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM > > o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I > > ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to > > ead > > f subscripts were used. > > Fe3O4, etc.) > > > > UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in > > ord, but not in Outlook Express. > > > > oes anyone know an easy way to do this? > > > > arry > > > > - > > ______________________________________________ > > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > ubscription Services: > > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > ultipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > -- > > - > > ______________________________________________ > > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > ubscription Services: > > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From getclyde at verizon.net Tue Mar 11 14:03:42 2008 From: getclyde at verizon.net (Clyde Phillips) Date: Tue Mar 11 14:07:01 2008 Subject: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} In-Reply-To: <007a01c883b8$b1402010$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> References: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <47D60B37.3A5@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90803110451w2af25c4ep2ae072c376c61fa1@mail.gmail.com> <007a01c883b8$b1402010$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <008301c883bb$63c2e860$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Sorry for the previous post, I was just testing whether superscripts can be made on the list. The answer is yes, but only for the numbers 1,2 and 3 as they are 'text'. While not as pleasing as subscripts, they might be used to convey the thought easier. To use them, use your numeric pad only and type the following number sequence while holding the ALT key till completed. 1 = 0185 2 = 0178 3 = 0179 If you can't use the numeric pad, then you will have to cut/paste from the Character Map in Windows. Clyde -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Clyde Phillips Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:44 PM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} e=mc??H?O -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Brenda Van Dyke Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:52 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails} same here...tilda only On 3/11/08, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > The list only accepts text formats to prevent the spread of malware. > > Kreigh > > > > > > pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > As I viewed your post to the listserv, there are no subscripts or > superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there in what I > had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca?on City came out OK). Is this the > way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? > > > > Pete > > > > "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > > ubscript > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CCFMS Web Admin > > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' > > > Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am > > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of sending it > > s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting > > ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the email via > > tml. > > > > int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in your > > ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would like, > > uch like MS Word. > > > > he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I know > > ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and > > annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. > > > > 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: > > > > My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. This is > > ubscript > > > > heers, > > tephen Douglas > > CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin > > eb_admin@ccfms.ca > > ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ > > > > ----Original Message----- > > rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Rush > > ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM > > o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails > > > > fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I > > ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot easier to > > ead > > f subscripts were used. > > Fe3O4, etc.) > > > > UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do it in > > ord, but not in Outlook Express. > > > > oes anyone know an easy way to do this? > > > > arry > > > > - > > ______________________________________________ > > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > ubscription Services: > > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > ultipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > -- > > - > > ______________________________________________ > > ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > ubscription Services: > > ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Mar 11 17:26:43 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:24:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Levinson modifies References: <200803112107.m2BL7QML011003@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <003c01c883d7$c00e5070$6401a8c0@rock3> I vote for extending the use of the Levinson modifiers to minerals like apatite & apophyllite, axinite etc (presuming of course that I am entitled to a vote). The reason is that if you use the suitable prefix like hydroxyapophyllite and fluorapophyllite, in an alphabetical list of the minerals those mineral will appear in different places. With Levinson modifiers, the related minerals can be see at a glance. Someone looking up a mineral in an alphabetical list of minerals may well be looking for apophyllite, or apatite, and much to their amazement and irritation, that mineral will not be in the list. With the use of Levinson modifiers this would not be a problem. I know I have muttered bad words to myself in such situations and find the prospect of finding all the apatites etc. together something to look forward to. Could we hope the same for a mineral like tourmaline? Just think how happy it would make the lumbers if we would throw them a bone like that. That would probably be going too far, but at least in the future, when more hydoxyls, fluors, and mangans are created they will all be kept conveniently together with others of their kind where everyone can find them in a list. It would asset in education. "OH my goodness, look at how many apatites there are.!" What about minerals like eudialyte. Just that mineral alone has the splitters drooling. More than 150 possible new species? Imagine trying to remember the name of a particular variation so you can locate it in a list or a database. In terms of usage when speaking I think most people still use axinite, apatite etc. and will continue to do so in spite of the nomenclature boys. If we can bring our technical usage a bit back in line with the spoken language without sacrificing its accuracy we should jump at the chance. It will much easier for us to adjust to Levinson modifiers than for us to change the rest of the world. Rock From rpr at heidelberg.edu Tue Mar 11 17:27:29 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:27:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <008301c883bb$63c2e860$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> References: <8CA50E786226FA7-1F4-1016@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> <47D60B37.3A5@Tomaszewski.net> <97175ae90803110451w2af25c4ep2ae072c376c61fa1@mail.gmail.com> <007a01c883b8$b1402010$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> <008301c883bb$63c2e860$5801a8c0@ePLLC.local> Message-ID: <853F1243-727D-4A2C-A25B-E9F287D1AE75@heidelberg.edu> My word, this has gotten arcane! Thank goodness most of the time the numbers can be understood in context without sub/superscripts, or other alternatives are available, such as kg/km sq or H2SO4. There are good reasons why the list is limited to text only. We'll just have to talk out any confusion that may result from that limitation. Cheers, Pete Richards On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:03 PM, Clyde Phillips wrote: > Sorry for the previous post, I was just testing whether > superscripts can be > made on the list. The answer is yes, but only for the numbers 1,2 > and 3 as > they are 'text'. While not as pleasing as subscripts, they might > be used to > convey the thought easier. To use them, use your numeric pad only > and type > the following number sequence while holding the ALT key till > completed. 1 = > 0185 2 = 0178 3 = 0179 If you can't use the numeric pad, then > you will > have to cut/paste from the Character Map in Windows. > > Clyde > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Clyde > Phillips > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:44 PM > To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Subject: RE: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e- > mails} > > e=mc??H?O > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Brenda > Van Dyke > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:52 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: ADMIN: {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e- > mails} > > same here...tilda only > > On 3/11/08, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: >> >> The list only accepts text formats to prevent the spread of malware. >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> >> >> >> pmodreski@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen, >>> As I viewed your post to the listserv, there are no subscripts or >> superscripts coming thorugh in it, just plain text (nor were there >> in what > I >> had posted earlier, though my tilda in Ca?on City came out OK). >> Is this > the >> way it appeared to you and to everyone else, too? >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> "My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. >>> This is >>> ubscript >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: CCFMS Web Admin >>> To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>> collectors' >> >>> Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:47 am >>> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails >>> >>> When you send email from MS Outlook, you have the option of >>> sending it >>> s plain text, rich text, or html. When you want to use formatting >>> ptions such as subscripts or superscripts choose to send the >>> email via >>> tml. >>> >>> int --> If the superscript and subscript buttons do not appear in >>> your >>> ormatting toolbar, add a button to it and select what you would >>> like, >>> uch like MS Word. >>> >>> he problem may lie when you send your email to the listserver. I >>> know >>> ome mailing lists (mine at the CCFMS included) accept text only and >>> annot properly interpret the subscript or superscript options. >>> >>> 'll put my theory to the test with the following line of text: >>> >>> My car is comprised of two yds3 of Fe3O4" This is superscript. >>> This is >>> ubscript >>> >>> heers, >>> tephen Douglas >>> CFMS Communications Director & Web Admin >>> eb_admin@ccfms.ca >>> ttp://www.ccfms.ca/ >>> >>> ----Original Message----- >>> rom: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com >>> mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of >>> Lawrence Rush >>> ent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:22 AM >>> o: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >>> collectors >>> ubject: [Rockhounds] Subscript notations in e-mails >>> >>> fter re-reading my recent e-mail,and getting Pete's this morning, I >>> ealized that the chemical formulas in e-mails would be a lot >>> easier to >>> ead >>> f subscripts were used. >>> Fe3O4, etc.) >>> >>> UT, I haven't been able to find an easy way to do this! I can do >>> it in >>> ord, but not in Outlook Express. >>> >>> oes anyone know an easy way to do this? >>> >>> arry >>> >>> - >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> ubscription Services: >>> ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >>> -- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> ultipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> -- >>> - >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> ubscription Services: >>> ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >>> >>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>> multipart/alternative >>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>> text/html >>> --- >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 11 17:48:32 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 11 17:40:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite References: Message-ID: <47D72610.58BE@Tomaszewski.net> The mineral name should be just that, a name. If the splitters in the lab discover Leaverite is really two minerals, one with Ca and one with Na, leave the name Leaverite with one of them, and give the other a new name. Leaverite and Righttherite. Or be kind to the lumpers, and make a Leaverite group out of them, and give both minerals new names. Whereite and Foundite. But don't get confused and try to make a hybrid name with the chemical formula. Leaverite-(Ca) and Leaverite-(Na) are just an admission you don't know the difference between a name and a formula, or that you are not smart enough to think up a good name or two. Names and formulas are two different attributes and should not be confused. It may have started with the rare earths, but we've already reached apatite-(CaF), and we're on our way to Mica-(KMgOHFAlSiO). It is a slippery slope. Lets just not go there. At least that is my opinion. Kreigh P.S., Mica-(KMgOHFAlSiO) = Phlogopite, a member of the Biotite Group, and a good example. Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > It was standardized (the original paper was by Levinson himself, back > several decades ago--but only for the rare-earth minerals. > > Using this system for other minerals was the subject of quite a bit of > discussion in Tucson; apparently, the authors of the Glossary of Minerals > unilaterally decided to adopt this system for the mineral names therein, for many > mineral groups--apatite, apophyllite, columbite--I haven't checked through the > whole Glossary to see how many names they thus altered. People seemed to feel > that it was premature for them to have done this, because there has not been > any formal IMA--sanctioned journal article published, stating that "this is > the agreed-upon way this shall be done". The sentiment expressed was that > "the way mineral names are thus written, in the Glossary, has no "official" > status; it is just one pair of authors' personal opinion as to how they would > like to see these names used. > > Whereas as I said, this convention has the virtue of the minerals being > grouped together alphabetically, it has the down sides of dropping some > long-accepted mineral names, and also, of some of these names becoming quite > cumbersome--becoming not just a name, but a shorteneed version of the chemical > formula, which in some cases leads to the question--how the heck do you pronounce > this name verbally, without explaining where all the parentheses go and so > forth? For example, the common mineral of the apatite group, which of course in > the old days used to be just called "apatite" and we have now finally just > about convinved and informed everyone, is properly known as fluorapatite, is > now listed in the Glossary as, "apatite-(CaF)". I'm really not sure how one is > supposed to say that when speaking. > > I took a picture of one specimen label in a case at the Tucson Show, which > did display a specimen of apatite, labeled this way; Apatite-(CaF), from the > Pea Ridge mine, Missouri. It was, of course, in a case of specimens from the > Royal Ontario Museum (home of both authors of the present edition of the > Glossary). > > My personal feeling is that this is NOT the most desirable system for > mineral names, and that there is a good chance that it may not really be adopted > widely, or that it may be simply ignored. I kind of hope that this is the > first and last time I will have seen "apatite-(CaF)" printed on a mineral label! > As I say, just my personal opinion on this. So I would advise collectors > and museum NOT to rush out and re-do all their labels. > > Pete Modreski > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 11 19:46:05 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 11 19:36:09 2008 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails References: <002e01c8838b$ecd5b360$6401a8c0@AxelHP> <8CA51A485BBA09C-3C0-97B@webmail-nc04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D7418F.2C07@Tomaszewski.net> Pete, Welcome to base-64 encoding. If you need a magic decoder ring try http://makcoder.sourceforge.net/demo/base64.php just paste your block of garbage text in and hit decode. Email is defined as a text only method of communication. Magic like embedded base-64, MIME, and HTML formats allow it to do much more, including carrying exploits and malware. That is why the list follows the basic email standard and only supports basic ascii text. Kreigh pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > Hmm, more curious puzzlements... Axel, I was certainly glad to read your reply comment to Bryan Kramer's post, because I could not read his original post at all; all that came through for me was a big block of nonsense text, which began > > WW91IG1lYW4gdGhlIMOlIGFuZCDDhSB0aGUgdW1sYXV0IGlzIMO8IGFuZCDDpC4gSGVyZSBpcyBh > biBBU0NJSSBjaGFydC4gWW91IGNhbgp0eXBlIGFueSBvZiB0aGUgY2hhcmFjdGVycyBieSB1c2lu > ZyB0aGUgbnVtYmVyIHBhZCAobnVtYmVyIGtleXMgYXQgdGhlIHRvcAp3aWxsIG5vdCB3b3JrKS4g > SG9sZCBkb3duIHRoZSBhbHQga2V5IGFuZCB0eXBlIHRoZSAzIGRpZ2l0IG51bWJlciBpbiwgYWx0 > CjIzMyBpcyDOmCBmb3IgZXhhbXBsZS4KCjxodHRwOi8vd3d3LmFzY2lpdGFibGUuY29tLz4KCkJL > > and continued on for another several tens of lines... interesting.?? But now thanks to your responding to that, I know what his message was supposed to say!?? I wonder if many other people received his message in the form I did. > > Pete > > C??ngr??t??l? t??????s Brian, this is without any doubt the most useful > ontribution to this topic ;-))) > ow I can write those hard core Swedish locality names without having to buy > Scandinavian keyboard overlay. > xel > Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails > > You mean the ?? and ? the umlaut is ?* and ??. Here is an ASCII > chart. You can type any of the characters by using the number > pad (number keys at the top will not work). Hold down the alt > key and type the 3 digit number in, alt > 233 is T for example. > > > > BK > > ?? > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue Mar 11 19:47:19 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 11 19:47:29 2008 Subject: OT: Re: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 8:36:31 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Kreigh@tomaszewski.net writes: Welcome to base-64 encoding. If you need a magic decoder ring try http://makcoder.sourceforge.net/demo/base64.php just paste your block of garbage text in and hit decode. Very neat, Kreigh, that really did decode that block of base-64 text that for some reason BK's message had appeared as! Thanks. (I'd already seen what it meant, thanks to what Axel posted.) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Wed Mar 12 06:53:42 2008 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Wed Mar 12 06:56:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Levinson modifies In-Reply-To: <003c01c883d7$c00e5070$6401a8c0@rock3> Message-ID: <000a01c88448$7be3af50$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> Rock Currier wrote: I vote for extending the use of the Levinson modifiers to minerals like apatite & apophyllite, axinite etc (presuming of course that I am entitled to a vote). The reason is that if you use the suitable prefix like hydroxyapophyllite and fluorapophyllite, in an alphabetical list of the minerals those mineral will appear in different places. With Levinson modifiers, the related minerals can be seen at a glance. Someone looking up a mineral in an alphabetical list of minerals may well be looking for apophyllite, or apatite, and much to their amazement and irritation, that mineral will not be in the list. With the use of Levinson modifiers this would not be a problem. I too am for extended use of the Levinson modifiers for exactly the reasons you state. It will make learning mineralogy much easier for beginning students and for hobbyists and will instantly, through the very name of the mineral, show how one mineral is related to another. It's a good system where the chemical suffix is only one element, as in, say, axinite-(Mn) instead of manganaxinite. That said, I wouldn't want to see the system extended to the point of having multi-element suffixes, as in the apatite examples Pete mentioned, or the phlogopite example that Kreigh mentioned. That gets too cumbersome and leads to unpronounceable mineral names. Kept to one elemental suffix, though, it seems a good way to simplify a lot of mineral nomenclature (though we'll all miss some of our beloved names) and make apparent some key relations that the present names don't convey. The down side: Anyone wanting to do a literature search on a particular species will now have to do two searches instead of one. Cheers- Earl Verbeek From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Mar 12 11:10:06 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:10:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Columbite In-Reply-To: <47D72610.58BE@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47D72610.58BE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002401c8846c$4d58d1a0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I'm not all that unhappy about the way things are now. Actually, I find naming minerals after their elements (cavansite = Calcium Vanadium Silicon) so unimaginative. Take a mineral like arrojadite... Are we prepared to call that kanacamanferralfluhyphite? That would be the name for those who call the element K kalium. If you're in the linguistic group that names K potassium (K ?????) you'd have to call it Potnacamanferralfluhyphite ;-))) Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: woensdag 12 maart 2008 1:49 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Columbite > > The mineral name should be just that, a name. > > If the splitters in the lab discover Leaverite is really two > minerals, one with Ca and one with Na, leave the name > Leaverite with one of them, and give the other a new name. > Leaverite and Righttherite. > > Or be kind to the lumpers, and make a Leaverite group out of > them, and give both minerals new names. Whereite and Foundite. > > But don't get confused and try to make a hybrid name with the > chemical formula. Leaverite-(Ca) and Leaverite-(Na) are just > an admission you don't know the difference between a name and > a formula, or that you are not smart enough to think up a > good name or two. Names and formulas are two different > attributes and should not be confused. > > It may have started with the rare earths, but we've already > reached apatite-(CaF), and we're on our way to > Mica-(KMgOHFAlSiO). It is a slippery slope. Lets just not go > there. At least that is my opinion. > > Kreigh > > P.S., Mica-(KMgOHFAlSiO) = Phlogopite, a member of the > Biotite Group, and a good example. > > > > > > Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > > > It was standardized (the original paper was by Levinson > himself, back > > several decades ago--but only for the rare-earth minerals. > > > > Using this system for other minerals was the subject of > quite a bit of > > discussion in Tucson; apparently, the authors of the Glossary of > > Minerals unilaterally decided to adopt this system for the mineral > > names therein, for many mineral groups--apatite, apophyllite, > > columbite--I haven't checked through the whole Glossary to see how > > many names they thus altered. People seemed to feel that it was > > premature for them to have done this, because there has not > been any > > formal IMA--sanctioned journal article published, stating > that "this > > is the agreed-upon way this shall be done". The sentiment > expressed was that "the way mineral names are thus written, > in the Glossary, has no "official" > > status; it is just one pair of authors' personal opinion as to how > > they would like to see these names used. > > > > Whereas as I said, this convention has the virtue of the minerals > > being grouped together alphabetically, it has the down sides of > > dropping some long-accepted mineral names, and also, of > some of these > > names becoming quite cumbersome--becoming not just a name, but a > > shorteneed version of the chemical formula, which in some > cases leads > > to the question--how the heck do you pronounce this name verbally, > > without explaining where all the parentheses go and so forth? For > > example, the common mineral of the apatite group, which of > course in > > the old days used to be just called "apatite" and we have > now finally > > just about convinved and informed everyone, is properly known as > > fluorapatite, is now listed in the Glossary as, > "apatite-(CaF)". I'm really not sure how one is supposed to > say that when speaking. > > > > I took a picture of one specimen label in a case at the > Tucson Show, > > which did display a specimen of apatite, labeled this way; > > Apatite-(CaF), from the Pea Ridge mine, Missouri. It was, > of course, > > in a case of specimens from the Royal Ontario Museum (home of both > > authors of the present edition of the Glossary). > > > > My personal feeling is that this is NOT the most desirable > system for > > mineral names, and that there is a good chance that it may > not really > > be adopted widely, or that it may be simply ignored. I > kind of hope > > that this is the first and last time I will have seen > "apatite-(CaF)" printed on a mineral label! > > As I say, just my personal opinion on this. So I would advise > > collectors and museum NOT to rush out and re-do all their labels. > > > > Pete Modreski > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Wed Mar 12 11:06:01 2008 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Wed Mar 12 11:33:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails References: Message-ID: <002f01c8846f$90af8f40$c64cd0c4@federatiydq01o> I have a small table placed on the side of my PC (with magnetic tape) which gives the following:- Alt + Alt+ Alt+ Alt+ Alt+ ALT+ ? 132 ? 137 ? 139 ? 148 ? 129 ? 152 ? 131 ? 136 ? 140 ? 147 ? 150 ? 160 ? 130 ? 161 ? 162 ? 163 ? 133 ? 138 ? 141 ? 149 ? 151 This only works for e-mail not for a Word document Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails I'm just curious to write again and see if the List will print umlauts (or whatever one calls that same symbol when it appears on words of (Swedish) derivation); and likewise, the symbol (never known quite what you call it, I believe it's also from Swedish) that consists of a single circle over an "a"--such as in these two mineral names; ulvospinel is supposed to have a double-dot symbol over the o, and akermanite, a small-circle symbol over the first a: ulv?spinel ?kermanite let's see what these look like as the listserv transmits them. Pete **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1318 - Release Date: 07/03/2008 14:01 From efkern at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 12:05:55 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:06:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron Out References: <200803110101.m2B11ir9008104@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <005b01c88474$1a7cd300$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Iron Out removes oxides of iron, not metallic iron. However, with iron tools, they'll easily rust again in a humid or wet environment (pliers in the sink :-) no matter if you use Iron Out. Iron Out removes rust, but doesn't prevent rust. Spray the tool with WD-40 followed by wiping off the excess to prevent rust. I use it quite a lot on minerals, and will remember not to use on hemimorphite. I'm surprised is attacked it. If anyone would like some before & after pics of minerals I've cleaned with Iron Out followed by ultrasonic cleaning, contact me off list efkern@earthlink.net and I'd be happy to send a few photos. I have no financial interest in Iron Out, but bought a life-time supply when a rumor got started 2 yrs ago that they were going to stop selling it. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: J Bryan Kramer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron Out and Macs and Formatting Code Not a good idea to use it on steel tweezers which are iron after all. I'd use Naval Jelly for those, you can get it at hardware stores and maybe Walmart. BK On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Teresa Masters wrote: > I have recently purchased Iron Out at WalMart. First I am trying to > clean rusty tweezers in our class studio, Well, sort of did, but much > more needs to be done, like heaven forbid students can take the > pliers out of the sink, nah too much work. > > Also, I have a piece of fabricated silver that apparently a piece of > steel shot has embedded itself within, and I get that great copper > color when pickling. So I am soaking in iron Out. Nowhere on the > label does it show application to either of the above. So my question > of you wise ones, what is the quantity for mixing, and for how long > does the mixture work? > > I left the silver piece soak over night, and opening the studio in > the morning will tell the tale. Mixing the stuff is rather > unpleasantly stinky. Using hot water leads to bubbling. I really have > no idea just how to use this stuff, Help. > > Now for macs and PC formatting codes. I am often amused by the > strange symbols I see surrounding words. I assume they are accent > marks, but have no clue. Yes plain text works well, but folks need to > accent their comments. There are a few of us upon whom those efforts > are for naught. > Hugs and Thanks, > Terrie > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Wed Mar 12 13:11:19 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:12:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <002f01c8846f$90af8f40$c64cd0c4@federatiydq01o> Message-ID: <20080312201119.EC0721CC42@io.frii.com> Horst, and everyone else FYI, > I have a small table placed on the side of my PC (with magnetic tape) whi, > ch > gives the following:- > Alt + Alt+ Alt+ Alt+ Alt+ ALT+ > ,E4 132 ,EB 137 ,EF 139 ,F6 148 ,FC 129 ,FF , > 152 > ,E2 131 ,EA 136 ,EE 140 ,F4 147 ,FB 150 > ,E1 160 ,E9 130 ,ED 161 ,F3 162 ,FA 163 > ,E0 133 ,E8 138 ,EC 141 ,F2 149 ,F9 151 > > This only works for e-mail not for a Word document Doesn't work as well as you think :-) If you imagine all the commas above are really equal signs, which I'm hiding so your email client doesn't tear into them and change them to something else, you'll know what your email looked like in plain ol' text. No special chars, not even formatted neatly. Ah well, keep on rockin'... Cheers, Alan Silverstein From codeburner at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 13:20:47 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:20:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <20080312201119.EC0721CC42@io.frii.com> References: <002f01c8846f$90af8f40$c64cd0c4@federatiydq01o> <20080312201119.EC0721CC42@io.frii.com> Message-ID: This just goes to show how variable email clients are since Horst's table worked perfectly for me on Gmail. The font you use can affect this too. BK > Doesn't work as well as you think :-) > > If you imagine all the commas above are really equal signs, which I'm > hiding so your email client doesn't tear into them and change them to > something else, you'll know what your email looked like in plain ol' > text. No special chars, not even formatted neatly. Ah well, keep on > rockin'... > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rpr at heidelberg.edu Wed Mar 12 13:42:23 2008 From: rpr at heidelberg.edu (R. Peter Richards) Date: Wed Mar 12 13:42:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Subscript notations in e-mails In-Reply-To: <20080312201119.EC0721CC42@io.frii.com> References: <20080312201119.EC0721CC42@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <4AAADE4C-191C-4DC1-BFEA-F35EE938C84C@heidelberg.edu> But, but, but... They all came through looking as intended in my email program. This one appears to be related to the email program, not the listserv program. Pete Richards On Mar 12, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Alan Silverstein wrote: > Horst, and everyone else FYI, > >> I have a small table placed on the side of my PC (with magnetic >> tape) whi, >> ch >> gives the following:- >> Alt + Alt+ Alt+ Alt+ Alt+ ALT+ >> ,E4 132 ,EB 137 ,EF 139 ,F6 148 ,FC >> 129 ,FF , >> 152 >> ,E2 131 ,EA 136 ,EE 140 ,F4 147 ,FB 150 >> ,E1 160 ,E9 130 ,ED 161 ,F3 162 ,FA 163 >> ,E0 133 ,E8 138 ,EC 141 ,F2 149 ,F9 151 >> >> This only works for e-mail not for a Word document > > Doesn't work as well as you think :-) > > If you imagine all the commas above are really equal signs, which I'm > hiding so your email client doesn't tear into them and change them to > something else, you'll know what your email looked like in plain ol' > text. No special chars, not even formatted neatly. Ah well, keep on > rockin'... > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ___________________________________ R. Peter Richards rpr@heidelberg.edu Morphological crystallographer --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Wed Mar 12 17:33:43 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:33:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Corydon quarry update Message-ID: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> The well-known pink dolomite & calcite locality Corydon Quarry (Harrison Co., IN) is once again closed to group visits. The on-gain, off-again access has made it a challenge to visit over the past decade. During the 2 year window it was accessible to a limited number of groups, collecting has been mediocre. The manager is a friend and I will let folks know if the group access policy changes. Alan G. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Fri Mar 14 10:24:50 2008 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Rick Trapp) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:25:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> Just testing - no messages for 36 hours??? -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From rocknate at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 10:43:51 2008 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:43:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: Rick, Here in the Northeastern US we're just starting to come out of our winter hibernation and think about field trips for this spring. I don't know why everyone else is so quiet.. Nate Martin Lexington, MA On 3/14/08, Rick Trapp wrote: > > > > Just testing - no messages for 36 hours??? > > -- > Rick Trapp > Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Fri Mar 14 10:48:48 2008 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Rick Trapp) Date: Fri Mar 14 10:49:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> No problem, just thought there might be a problem with the listserver... The quiet was deafening.... Nathan Martin wrote: Rick, wrote: rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From pmodreski at aol.com Fri Mar 14 11:02:11 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 14 11:05:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list - Tucson pictures In-Reply-To: <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <8CA5414A905CC87-F88-3D18@webmail-ne09.sysops.aol.com> Since things are slow on the List, let me post something I've been meaning to.? To add to other sites that have had pictures posted from this year's Tucson show, here are links to two "aol picture album" slide shows I composed from Tucson. Below are links to the two?separate picture albums; I think this should work for everyone.??Just paste each of these (rather long) url links into your internet browser, and the "aol pictures view share" page should open up. (Make sure you get the whole url line into your browser url as one intact line of characters.)? You do not need to register or log in or anything, just click on "View album as guest". You will have a choice to manually "view" all the pictures, or to click on "slide show" which will scroll through them all at a default speed of 5 seconds per slide. The first of the albums is of the Tucson mineral show and minerals. The second, for those interested, is an album of southwest scenery and nature in the mountains around Tucson and on my driving trip from Denver to there and back. Best wishes to all, Pete Modreski Link to Tucson mineral show pictures: ? http://pictures.aol.com/ap/viewShare.do?shareInfo=esv4e%2b9w77lUeivWfnm7tdZgUpZnIMVQRL9HkbMLqP9WGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d ? Arizona & New Mexico nature & scenery slide show: ? http://pictures.aol.com/ap/viewShare.do?shareInfo=esv4e%2b9w77lUeivWfnm7tWDwZ0FOh55crPguh7ZU2elWGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d -- rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cycadwood at aol.com Fri Mar 14 16:30:17 2008 From: cycadwood at aol.com (Frank Daniels) Date: Fri Mar 14 16:37:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures Message-ID: <003301c8862b$5db1d3b0$19157b10$@com> I just added American Mineral Treasures to the bookselling portion of my website. For list members I will take off $5. This is truly a beautiful book. Frank WESTERN COLORADO PUBLISHING COMPANY 2024 Freedom Court Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 publisher@WesternColoradoPublishing.com www.WesternColoradoPublishing.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From betdav97 at aol.com Fri Mar 14 18:54:23 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Fri Mar 14 18:54:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Megalonyx jeffersonii In-Reply-To: <8CA5456363440D9-1558-4A27@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA5456363440D9-1558-4A27@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5456A095F096-968-1C80@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> ? Megalonyx jeffersonii is now the official State Fossil of West Virginia.?Here is the link to the article, the paper also got my last name spelled wrong. Oh well. Dave http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/200803140259 From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Mar 14 20:15:53 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 14 20:13:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> Message-ID: <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> Rick, Every intelligent conversation is punctuated by periods of silence. The listserver is alive and well. I've been preparing for my club's 33rd annual show. Kreigh Rick Trapp wrote: > > > > No problem, just thought there might be a problem with the listserver... > > The quiet was deafening.... > > Nathan Martin wrote: > > Rick, > > wrote: > > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > > rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat Mar 15 07:55:25 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Sat Mar 15 07:56:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > Every intelligent conversation is punctuated by periods of silence. Well said Kreigh. Reminds me of when I was trying to learn to play the sax. I was jamming with more accomplished musicians when one turned to me and said, "John! It's NOT just the notes...it's the space between them." John Santa, ID Where it is Still snowing From str4hler at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 14:59:16 2008 From: str4hler at gmail.com (str4hler) Date: Sat Mar 15 14:59:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: snow...? I'm happy to report that here at the Bologna mineral show it's sunny, clear sky and warm enough to sit outside with a capuccino :-) cheers! frank On 3/15/08, John Siebel wrote: > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > Every intelligent conversation is punctuated by periods of silence. > > Well said Kreigh. Reminds me of when I was trying to learn to play the sax. > I was jamming with more accomplished musicians when one turned to me and > said, "John! It's NOT just the notes...it's the space between them." > > John > Santa, ID > Where it is Still snowing > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- the next great task for mankind is to slow down... From betdav97 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 16:37:42 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 15 16:37:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Same for here in Gaithersburg, MD. Attendence is good, but sales are down. But it is spring. I had an Italian roast at Starbucks, no capuccino. Dave -----Original Message----- From: str4hler To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] list snow...? I'm happy to report that here at the Bologna mineral show it's sunny, clear sky and warm enough to sit outside with a capuccino :-) cheers! frank On 3/15/08, John Siebel wrote: > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > > Every intelligent conversation is punctuated by periods of silence. > > Well said Kreigh. Reminds me of when I was trying to learn to play the sax. > I was jamming with more accomplished musicians when one turned to me and > said, "John! It's NOT just the notes...it's the space between them." > > John > Santa, ID > Where it is Still snowing > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- the next great task for mankind is to slow down... -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Mar 15 19:10:37 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Mar 15 19:10:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Megalonyx jeffersonii (state fossils) References: <8CA5456363440D9-1558-4A27@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5456A095F096-968-1C80@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005801c8870a$ed063990$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> I certainly wouldn't think of a ground sloth as being a state fossil of WV, but why not? It is an impressive vegetarian! (Or maybe vegeterroran - at least to plants.) They are widespread but rare throughout the eastern U.S. At least West Virginia has a state fossil that is a single species. Kentucky's state fossil is an entire phylum - the brachiopod. It's kind of like declaring the tree as the state plant! A paleontologist actually suggested Pentremites which was originally called the "Kentucky Astral Fossil." But a middle school class convinced the politicians to declare the brachiopod instead, so we have more state fossils than anyone else as there are hundreds of species between Middle Ordovician and Middle Pennsylvanian age found within our borders. The first fossils noted within the boundaries of Kentucky territory (late 1600's to early 1700's) would have been the various large vertebrates at Big Bone Lick (mammoth, mastodon, bison, ground sloth, etc.) and the corals at the Falls of the Ohio. Thomas Jefferson ended up with a fair amount of material from Big Bone Lick. The collection was rediscovered in the bowels of the University of Virginia just a few years ago. Some of it was dug by William Clark (of the Lewis & Clark fame) a year or two after the expedition ended. Jefferson never went west of the Appalachian Mountains in his life, so all of the collecting was done vicariously through acquaintances. To the best of my knowledge, no effort has been made to get an Indiana state fossil. The mammoth or mastodon would be a good vertebrate because they are found through the state. Taxocrinus would be a good invertebrate. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Megalonyx jeffersonii > > > Megalonyx jeffersonii is now the official State Fossil of West Virginia. > Here is > the link to the article, the paper also got my last name spelled wrong. Oh > well. > Dave > > http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/200803140259 > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From betdav97 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 20:13:06 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 15 20:13:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Megalonyx jeffersonii (state fossils) In-Reply-To: <005801c8870a$ed063990$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <8CA5456363440D9-1558-4A27@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com> <8CA5456A095F096-968-1C80@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> <005801c8870a$ed063990$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <8CA552ACA17575C-13A0-1490@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> Alan, The sloth was not my first choice either, but seniority rules. Actually there are at least three caves in WV where remains of that sloth has been found.It was selected purely on it's historical lineage, I think to get better support in the legislature. Smilodon, mammouths and others' have also found in a couple of our caves. One of which is even a cave called Bone Cave. Some of the most interesting fossils, are bat bones that have been incorporated into aragonite crystal clusters, which are very similar to those found in Chihuahua, Mex. There, we're back on minerals again. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Alan Goldstein To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Megalonyx jeffersonii (state fossils) I certainly wouldn't think of a ground sloth as being a state fossil of WV, but why not? It is an impressive vegetarian! (Or maybe vegeterroran - at least to plants.) They are widespread but rare throughout the eastern U.S. At least West Virginia has a state fossil that is a single species. Kentucky's state fossil is an entire phylum - the brachiopod. It's kind of like declaring the tree as the state plant! A paleontologist actually suggested Pentremites which was originally called the "Kentucky Astral Fossil." But a middle school class convinced the politicians to declare the brachiopod instead, so we have more state fossils than anyone else as there are hundreds of species between Middle Ordovician and Middle Pennsylvanian age found within our borders.? ? The first fossils noted within the boundaries of Kentucky territory (late 1600's to early 1700's) would have been the various large vertebrates at Big Bone Lick (mammoth, mastodon, bison, ground sloth, etc.) and the corals at the Falls of the Ohio. Thomas Jefferson ended up with a fair amount of material from Big Bone Lick. The collection was rediscovered in the bowels of the University of Virginia just a few years ago. Some of it was dug by William Clark (of the Lewis & Clark fame) a year or two after the expedition ended. Jefferson never went west of the Appalachian Mountains in his life, so all of the collecting was done vicariously through acquaintances.? ? To the best of my knowledge, no effort has been made to get an Indiana state fossil. The mammoth or mastodon would be a good vertebrate because they are found through the state. Taxocrinus would be a good invertebrate.? ? Alan? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ? Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:54 PM? Subject: [Rockhounds] Megalonyx jeffersonii? ? >? >? > Megalonyx jeffersonii is now the official State Fossil of West Virginia. > Here is? > the link to the article, the paper also got my last name spelled wrong. Oh > well.? > Dave? >? > http://dailymail.com/News/statenews/200803140259? >? >? >? >? >? > -- > _______________________________________________? > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? > Subscription Services:? > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? From magnet at crocoite.com Sat Mar 15 23:27:35 2008 From: magnet at crocoite.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?magnet?=) Date: Sat Mar 15 23:27:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Fifth Issue of Australian & New Zealand Mineral Collector Magazine Out Now.. Message-ID: <20080316062735.11493.qmail@webmachine101.com> Hi all The fifth issue of the Australian and New Zealand Mineral Collector magazine is now out. This issue contains articles on 'chrome' cerussite; namibite from Queensland; White Island, a volcano off New Zealand; davidite from South Australia; a collector's tale from Larry Rush; and a 2007 symposium and seminar report. It is full colour, 28 pages, and only $10US available from Lulu - http://www.lulu.com/smartarts If you are going to order a copy directly, can I suggest that you use the 'Standard' option for shipping. It is by far most economical, and usually arrives within a couple of weeks. Regards Steve Check out Steve's Spot at http://crocoite.blogspot.com/ From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun Mar 16 09:03:29 2008 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun Mar 16 09:34:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AWAY ON VACATION Message-ID: <000401c88783$84eb5560$384cd0c4@federatiydq01o> Hi List., I will be off-line as from Tuesday morning (18th March) until Sunday 6th April. Leaving onWednesday morning at 05h00 (South African time) to being driven up to Uis in Namibia (which will take us two full days), to attend our 41st GEMBOREE over the Easter weekend.The Tuesday after Easter I will be leading a small group of six on a mineral collecting trip through the northern part of Namibia, hopefully returning on 5th April. Then have to prepare myself for a hip replacement on the 22nd April. Regards, Horst --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sun Mar 16 10:42:09 2008 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sun Mar 16 10:50:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures References: <003301c8862b$5db1d3b0$19157b10$@com> Message-ID: <47DD5BF1.4E6ABDF@gmx.de> Hello Frank, could you please tell me your price including postage to Gerrmany! (slow and cheap if possible) J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm Frank Daniels schrieb: > I just added American Mineral Treasures to the bookselling portion of my > website. For list members I will take off $5. This is truly a beautiful > book. > > > > Frank > > > > > > WESTERN COLORADO PUBLISHING COMPANY > > 2024 Freedom Court > > Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 > > publisher@WesternColoradoPublishing.com > > www.WesternColoradoPublishing.com > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From cycadwood at aol.com Sun Mar 16 11:28:11 2008 From: cycadwood at aol.com (Frank Daniels) Date: Sun Mar 16 11:30:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures In-Reply-To: <47DD5BF1.4E6ABDF@gmx.de> References: <003301c8862b$5db1d3b0$19157b10$@com> <47DD5BF1.4E6ABDF@gmx.de> Message-ID: <005601c88793$7e12c240$7a3846c0$@com> $80 for the book and $35 postage. This is by air (M bag) as there is no longer surface mail from the US. Total $115 US. PayPal payment to cycadwood@aol.com. With the euro at $1.56 this is not too bad. Thanks, Frank -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Juergen Wachsmuth Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:42 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures Hello Frank, could you please tell me your price including postage to Gerrmany! (slow and cheap if possible) J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm Frank Daniels schrieb: > I just added American Mineral Treasures to the bookselling portion of my > website. For list members I will take off $5. This is truly a beautiful > book. > > > > Frank > > > > > > WESTERN COLORADO PUBLISHING COMPANY > > 2024 Freedom Court > > Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 > > publisher@WesternColoradoPublishing.com > > www.WesternColoradoPublishing.com > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Mar 16 11:48:58 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 16 11:49:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: [ADMIN] Business off-list (was) Ad: American Mineral Treasures In-Reply-To: <005601c88793$7e12c240$7a3846c0$@com> References: <003301c8862b$5db1d3b0$19157b10$@com> <47DD5BF1.4E6ABDF@gmx.de> <005601c88793$7e12c240$7a3846c0$@com> Message-ID: <47DD6B9A.6090208@hawaiiantel.net> Jurgen, Frank, and List: Please respond to AD's and conduct business off-list. Thanks, Kitty (Admin Team) Frank Daniels wrote: > $80 for the book and $35 postage. This is by air (M bag) as there is no > longer surface mail from the US. Total $115 US. PayPal payment to > cycadwood@aol.com. With the euro at $1.56 this is not too bad. > > Thanks, > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Juergen Wachsmuth > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:42 AM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures > > Hello Frank, > > could you please tell me your price including postage to Gerrmany! (slow and > cheap if possible) > > J?rgen Wachsmuth > Ulm > > From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Sun Mar 16 12:03:58 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Sun Mar 16 12:05:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Great Note Title In-Reply-To: <47DD6B9A.6090208@hawaiiantel.net> References: <003301c8862b$5db1d3b0$19157b10$@com> <47DD5BF1.4E6ABDF@gmx.de><005601c88793$7e12c240$7a3846c0$@com> <47DD6B9A.6090208@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <01ed01c88798$7d410110$6601a8c0@okapi> Just came in in my Spam box as a note title: "Red Asses rhodonite" I love it! GcB From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Mar 16 15:17:17 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 16 15:17:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Almost 80F here right now. (lat 31 lon 88 more or less) More like early summer. Planted squash and tomatoes outside yesterday. Went fossiling in a creek last Saturday with family including 2 grandsons! Glenn _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail?-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Mar 16 15:47:57 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Mar 16 15:51:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Last Saturday we had 62.6?F (17? C) at 51?11'08.36 N 4?24'27.10 E Elevation 13 meters. Which is quite nice for the time of year... I was inside in complete darkness sorting through boxes of rocks for an exhibition of fluorescent minerals at our annual mineral show. Now it's pouring again. If this summer gets as wet as last year's I'm going to quit mineral collecting and take up ark-building as a hobby ;-) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee > Verzonden: zondag 16 maart 2008 23:17 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] list > > Almost 80F here right now. (lat 31 lon 88 more or less) > > More like early summer. > > Planted squash and tomatoes outside yesterday. > > Went fossiling in a creek last Saturday with family including > 2 grandsons! > Glenn > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your > Hotmail?-get your "fix". > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 16:36:06 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun Mar 16 16:36:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list In-Reply-To: <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: 29.69N -82.35W here (about 150 ft elevation--50 M) and we are scheduled, by the weather guessers, for 25-27 dec C (77-80 F) for the rest of the week. Normal weather for us at this time of the year. We have been have had some unusual cool periods, down to 0 C (32 F) or a bit lower during the last few weeks. That's the low of course not high. BK On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Axel Emmermann wrote: > Last Saturday we had 62.6?F (17? C) at > 51?11'08.36 N > 4?24'27.10 E > Elevation 13 meters. > Which is quite nice for the time of year... > I was inside in complete darkness sorting through boxes of rocks for an > exhibition of fluorescent minerals at our annual mineral show. > Now it's pouring again. > If this summer gets as wet as last year's I'm going to quit mineral > collecting and take up ark-building as a hobby ;-) > > Cheers > Axel > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee > > Verzonden: zondag 16 maart 2008 23:17 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] list > > > > Almost 80F here right now. (lat 31 lon 88 more or less) > > > > More like early summer. > > > > Planted squash and tomatoes outside yesterday. > > > > Went fossiling in a creek last Saturday with family including > > 2 grandsons! > > Glenn > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your > > Hotmail(R)-get your "fix". > > http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Mar 16 21:08:36 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 16 21:07:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] list References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> Roughly 42.57N, 85.40W, elevation about 680 (I can get a lot closer UTM). Spring is coming here early, as is Easter. I had crocus blooming in my lawn today. I plan on planting the cold plants, like peas, spinich, and broccoli, in my garden, on Good Friday, as usual. I'll stay with my 400+ year farmer/family tradition for fresh vegetables. Our good Lord provides. We had 100 inches of snow (average is 72), and alternating deep freeze and thaws, that produced way too many pot-holes. Plants do their own mining. I can 't wait much longer to get out and do some local mining of my own. We hit 45F again today. Most of the snow is gone. Only the shoveled piles remain. It is almost rockhounding (and road construction) season here in Michigan. Kreigh J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > 29.69N -82.35W here (about 150 ft elevation--50 M) and we are scheduled, by > the weather guessers, for 25-27 dec C (77-80 F) for the rest of the week. > Normal weather for us at this time of the year. We have been have had some > unusual cool periods, down to 0 C (32 F) or a bit lower during the last few > weeks. That's the low of course not high. > > BK > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Axel Emmermann > wrote: > > > Last Saturday we had 62.6?F (17? C) at > > 51?11'08.36 N > > 4?24'27.10 E > > Elevation 13 meters. > > Which is quite nice for the time of year... > > I was inside in complete darkness sorting through boxes of rocks for an > > exhibition of fluorescent minerals at our annual mineral show. > > Now it's pouring again. > > If this summer gets as wet as last year's I'm going to quit mineral > > collecting and take up ark-building as a hobby ;-) > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Glenn Wimpee > > > Verzonden: zondag 16 maart 2008 23:17 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] list > > > > > > Almost 80F here right now. (lat 31 lon 88 more or less) > > > > > > More like early summer. > > > > > > Planted squash and tomatoes outside yesterday. > > > > > > Went fossiling in a creek last Saturday with family including > > > 2 grandsons! > > > Glenn From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 17 09:15:44 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 09:16:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Rockhounds, I'm sure someone else will notice this too, but I was quite amazed to read the story about?this hoax of someone selling purported Arkansas diamonds, claiming they were found at Crater of Diamonds: http://www.fakeminerals.com/archives/date/2008/03/ This was reported on the www.geology.com website, referring to the story above.? I'd never known of the fakeminerals.com website before. Pete --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 09:52:00 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 09:50:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > This was reported on the www.geology.com website, referring to the story above.? I'd never known of the fakeminerals.com website before. Just checked it out real quick... I wonder about the credibility of the site's author when he posts comments like this: "Becky. Rocks do not glow in the dark. Really. None of them. Well, some of them, but not any of the ones you?ve seen. Becky. Rocks. They do not glow in the dark. No. No, they do not." What this guy think he was seeing when they were demonstrating all those fluorescent minerals? I cannot imagine an experienced mineral collector who has not at least heard of the concept of fluorescence and phosphorescence. If he is trying to say something else, then he is not getting his point across, which is just as bad. Sounds like this fellow needs to get his own act together before he passes judgement on others. Don From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 17 10:21:22 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 10:21:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> You must have read or browsed that site much more intensively than I did, Don, because I can't find anything on there about rocks glowing or not glowing in the dark; I just re-browsed throught his last year's postings, I don't see anything about that.... Cheers, Pete (might that not have been in reference to someone's ideas about what "crystal energy" makes rocks do???) -----Original Message----- From: DonH To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:52 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax pmodreski@aol.com wrote:? > > This was reported on the www.geology.com website, referring to the story above.? I'd never known of the fakeminerals.com website before.? ? Just checked it out real quick... I wonder about the credibility of the site's author when he posts comments like this:? ? "Becky. Rocks do not glow in the dark. Really. None of them. Well, some of them, but not any of the ones you?ve seen. Becky. Rocks. They do not glow in the dark. No. No, they do not."? ? What this guy think he was seeing when they were demonstrating all those fluorescent minerals? I cannot imagine an experienced mineral collector who has not at least heard of the concept of fluorescence and phosphorescence. If he is trying to say something else, then he is not getting his point across, which is just as bad.? ? Sounds like this fellow needs to get his own act together before he passes judgement on others.? ? Don? ? ? -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 10:57:14 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 10:59:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > You must have read or browsed that site much more intensively than I did, Don, because I can't find anything on there about rocks glowing or not glowing in the dark; I just re-browsed throught his last year's postings, I don't see anything about that.... Oh... I was wondering how thorough the site is, so after reading your link, I searched for other terms commonly associated with fraud, such as turquoise, andesine, labradorite, and sunstone. The hit for "sunstone" brought up a posting about the Travel Channel series on Cash & Treasure, though the sunstone mines were mentioned in a positive manner. However, the author digressed into some subjective commentary about all the salted sites featured on the show and the hostess's constant questions about "how much is that worth?", and then he made the comment I quoted, apparently to demonstrate some great naievete on her part. Here is a link to the whole article: http://www.fakeminerals.com/archives/22 It seems to me he is implying that fluorescent minerals are fake; by the context, I don't know what else he could possibly be saying, except that rocks don't *technically* "glow in the dark" (versus being excited by UV light, or unless they are phosphorescing), but again, from what he wrote, I doubt it. I'm wondering if I'm misreading the commentary or if anyone else has the same impression. Don From turnea55 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 17 11:02:16 2008 From: turnea55 at hotmail.com (Andrew Turner) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:11:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: I checked the story out, and it appears to be factual and recent. I looked at the guy's ebay postings, and he is currently selling those "Arkansas diamonds." I actually emailed recent purchasers of these diamonds (including someone who spent $250 on one), and needless to say they are pretty peeved. Andrew Turner Victorville, CA USA >From: pmodreski@aol.com >Reply-To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem >collectors" >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:21:22 -0400 > >You must have read or browsed that site much more intensively than I did, >Don, because I can't find anything on there about rocks glowing or not >glowing in the dark; I just re-browsed throught his last year's postings, I >don't see anything about that.... > >Cheers, Pete > >(might that not have been in reference to someone's ideas about what >"crystal energy" makes rocks do???) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: DonH >To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > >Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:52 am >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax > > >pmodreski@aol.com wrote:  > > > This was reported on the www.geology.com website, referring to the >story above.? I'd never known of the fakeminerals.com website before.  >  >Just checked it out real quick... I wonder about the credibility of the >site's author when he posts comments like this:  >  >"Becky. Rocks do not glow in the dark. Really. None of them. Well, some of >them, but not any of the ones you’ve seen. Becky. Rocks. They do not glow >in the dark. No. No, they do not."  >  >What this guy think he was seeing when they were demonstrating all those >fluorescent minerals? I cannot imagine an experienced mineral collector who >has not at least heard of the concept of fluorescence and phosphorescence. >If he is trying to say something else, then he is not getting his point >across, which is just as bad.  >  >Sounds like this fellow needs to get his own act together before he passes >judgement on others.  >  >Don  >  >  >-- _______________________________________________  >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List  >Subscription Services:  >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds  >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:  >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html  > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Mar 17 11:17:04 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:17:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> Message-ID: <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> I posted a comment on his rant. We shall see what we shall see... GcB > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:57 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax > > pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > > You must have read or browsed that site much more > intensively than I did, Don, because I can't find anything on .... From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Mar 17 11:19:58 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:20:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200803171820.m2HIKAbV004732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Justin knows more about minerals than I will ever hope to know. He was referring to comments made by Becky the "host" of "Cash & Treasures". I agree, the mentality of that show is bass-ackwards. It should be about fun, adventure, family, getting dirty, etc., not "Hey what's THIS worth"? Every single valuation I have seen on that show was pure BS, except for the valuation put on one of Earl's florescent Franklin pieces by the museum (I forget which one) that she donated it to. At 10:57 AM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > >>You must have read or browsed that site much more intensively than >>I did, Don, because I can't find anything on there about rocks >>glowing or not glowing in the dark; I just re-browsed throught his >>last year's postings, I don't see anything about that.... > > >Oh... I was wondering how thorough the site is, so after reading >your link, I searched for other terms commonly associated with >fraud, such as turquoise, andesine, labradorite, and sunstone. The >hit for "sunstone" brought up a posting about the Travel Channel >series on Cash & Treasure, though the sunstone mines were mentioned >in a positive manner. However, the author digressed into some >subjective commentary about all the salted sites featured on the >show and the hostess's constant questions about "how much is that >worth?", and then he made the comment I quoted, apparently to >demonstrate some great naievete on her part. Here is a link to the >whole article: http://www.fakeminerals.com/archives/22 > >It seems to me he is implying that fluorescent minerals are fake; by >the context, I don't know what else he could possibly be saying, >except that rocks don't *technically* "glow in the dark" (versus >being excited by UV light, or unless they are phosphorescing), but >again, from what he wrote, I doubt it. > >I'm wondering if I'm misreading the commentary or if anyone else has >the same impression. > >Don > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From betdav97 at aol.com Mon Mar 17 11:37:05 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:37:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <200803171820.m2HIKAbV004732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <200803171820.m2HIKAbV004732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <8CA567508A8B782-398-DF9@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Tim, Thankgoodness someone lese agrees with me about that show. It is doing more harm than good. Most of the folks contacting me about WV fossils, now want to know "how much is it worth" Everyone wants to get rich in geology, heck, we are some of the poorest folks, when it comes to any other profession. You may get your name in a book, but it doesn't pay the bills. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim Fisher To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax Justin knows more about minerals than I will ever hope to know. He was referring to comments made by Becky the "host" of "Cash & Treasures". I agree, the mentality of that show is bass-ackwards. It should be about fun, adventure, family, getting dirty, etc., not "Hey what's THIS worth"? Every single valuation I have seen on that show was pure BS, except for the valuation put on one of Earl's florescent Franklin pieces by the museum (I forget which one) that she donated it to.? ? At 10:57 AM 3/17/2008, you wrote:? >pmodreski@aol.com wrote:? >? >>You must have read or browsed that site much more intensively than >>I did, Don, because I can't find anything on there about rocks >>glowing or not glowing in the dark; I just re-browsed throught his >>last year's postings, I don't see anything about that....? >? >? >Oh... I was wondering how thorough the site is, so after reading >your link, I searched for other terms commonly associated with >fraud, such as turquoise, andesine, labradorite, and sunstone. The >hit for "sunstone" brought up a posting about the Travel Channel >series on Cash & Treasure, though the sunstone mines were mentioned >in a positive manner. However, the author digressed into some >subjective commentary about all the salted sites featured on the >show and the hostess's constant questions about "how much is that >worth?", and then he made the comment I quoted, apparently to >demonstrate some great naievete on her part. Here is a link to the >whole article: http://www.fakeminerals.com/archives/22? >? >It seems to me he is implying that fluorescent minerals are fake; by >the context, I don't know what else he could possibly be saying, >except that rocks don't *technically* "glow in the dark" (versus >being excited by UV light, or unless they are phosphorescing), but >again, from what he wrote, I doubt it.? >? >I'm wondering if I'm misreading the commentary or if anyone else has >the same impression.? >? >Don? >? >? >? >--? >_______________________________________________? >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? >Subscription Services:? >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? ? Tim Fisher? Ore-ROCK-On!? Email address at http://OreRockOn.com ? -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Mar 17 11:47:49 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:48:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> But wait... There's more! Rare Red Quartz! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30020663572 Real Gold in Obsidian! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 Huh?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! GcB From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 11:55:28 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 11:54:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <200803171820.m2HIKAbV004732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <200803171820.m2HIKAbV004732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <47DEBEA0.6040706@verizon.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > Justin knows more about minerals than I will ever hope to know. He was > referring to comments made by Becky the "host" of "Cash & Treasures". If that's the case, then he didn't articulate it very well. On the other hand I can confirm that the segment on fl. minerals, and the valuations used, were the most genuine I have seen on that show. Of course I may appear biased because I have been affiliated with that area, but plenty of people can confirm that those specimens can be found quite easily; and the street prices, incredibly, are what were discussed. Now, all the minerals they showed at Glen Waychunas's house are generally not found by collecting at publicly accessible sites but are purchased--and they too generally sell for the prices he quoted. There are reportedly some people who do not have regular jobs but are doing quite well digging and selling minerals from the Franklin/Sterling Hill district. Don From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 12:19:44 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:18:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <47DEC450.10109@verizon.net> Well the red quartz has already been removed... as far as the last one, I think the "quarts" in the ad refer to the ones he was drinking... Gary Brown wrote: > But wait... There's more! > > Rare Red Quartz! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30020663572 > > Real Gold in Obsidian! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 > > Huh?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 > > And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 > Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! > > GcB > From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Mar 17 12:47:00 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 17 12:47:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <200803171947.m2HJlEDx022865@bubbleator.drizzle.com> At 11:47 AM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >But wait... There's more! > >Real Gold in Obsidian! >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 Obviously, not even obsidian. So needless to say not from Glass Buttes, OR. More like Glass Factory, IL. >Huh?? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 Looks like giant rabbit turds to me. Maybe they are petrified? :D >And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 >Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! I agree, you need to drink a 40 oz. Colt Malt Liquor to see anything in there. >GcB Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Mar 17 14:11:29 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:15:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> Message-ID: <008a01c88873$7831df10$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Well now, I'm confused. Are you well respected geologists and mineralologists telling me that there are rocks that glow in the dark, independently? If a rock is fluorescing, it is in response to light. If it is phosphorescing, it is response to energy input, often light. In the dark is in the dark, well maybe with some star light and moonlight. Flooding a site with UV light is still lighting the area. Now, I'm not defending whatever the guy was ranting about. I did not see the Montana sapphire episode which since that is the last mentioned, I assume that is the episode where the comment he was ranting about came from. I just don't have the same reaction to the words "glow in the dark". Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of DonH Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 1:57 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > You must have read or browsed that site much more intensively than I did, Don, because I can't find anything on there about rocks glowing or not glowing in the dark; I just re-browsed throught his last year's postings, I don't see anything about that.... Oh... I was wondering how thorough the site is, so after reading your link, I searched for other terms commonly associated with fraud, such as turquoise, andesine, labradorite, and sunstone. The hit for "sunstone" brought up a posting about the Travel Channel series on Cash & Treasure, though the sunstone mines were mentioned in a positive manner. However, the author digressed into some subjective commentary about all the salted sites featured on the show and the hostess's constant questions about "how much is that worth?", and then he made the comment I quoted, apparently to demonstrate some great naievete on her part. Here is a link to the whole article: http://www.fakeminerals.com/archives/22 It seems to me he is implying that fluorescent minerals are fake; by the context, I don't know what else he could possibly be saying, except that rocks don't *technically* "glow in the dark" (versus being excited by UV light, or unless they are phosphorescing), but again, from what he wrote, I doubt it. I'm wondering if I'm misreading the commentary or if anyone else has the same impression. Don -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 17 14:19:39 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:21:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Huh?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 Well gee, what the heck, what do you want for only a 99-cent bid?? Full-grown boji stones? -----Original Message----- From: Gary Brown To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:47 pm Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax But wait... There's more! Rare Red Quartz! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30020663572 Real Gold in Obsidian! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 Huh?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! GcB -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Mar 17 14:39:46 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:42:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Sure looks like the little sphericals I used to pick up under railroad trestles, melted train brakes or something. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of pmodreski@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:20 PM To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax Huh?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 Well gee, what the heck, what do you want for only a 99-cent bid?? Full-grown boji stones? -----Original Message----- From: Gary Brown To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:47 pm Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax But wait... There's more! Rare Red Quartz! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30020663572 Real Gold in Obsidian! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 Huh?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! GcB -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From dawnmfredricks at msn.com Mon Mar 17 14:41:18 2008 From: dawnmfredricks at msn.com (Dawn M. Fredricks) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:42:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] re: hoax In-Reply-To: <200803171947.m2HJlEDx022865@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <200803171947.m2HJlEDx022865@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: >Real Gold in Obsidian! >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 Intruded seems to be the key word! >Huh?? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 Coa must be poo in a forieng language? >And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 >Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! The is apparently some kind of abstract art, like Picasso? From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon Mar 17 14:55:53 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon Mar 17 14:57:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <032701c88879$ac3b0ab0$6601a8c0@okapi> That's not a Boji... It's a boojum! GcB PS. I've got a first edition of the Hunting of the Snark. That illustrator must have been on something... Weird. > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > pmodreski@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:20 PM > To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax > > > > > Huh?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 > > Well gee, what the heck, what do you want for only a 99-cent > bid?? Full-grown boji stones? > From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 15:02:37 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:00:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <008a01c88873$7831df10$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <008a01c88873$7831df10$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <47DEEA7D.6040702@verizon.net> Ted Kowalski wrote: > Well now, I'm confused. > > Are you well respected geologists and mineralologists telling me that there > are rocks that glow in the dark, independently? . . . > I just don't have the same reaction to the words "glow in the dark". Well I'm just a regular guy, but I was confused regarding his intended meaning. I don't want to beat the dead horse too much but the context and semantics could have been taken either way, especially given the content of all his ranting up to that point, regarding her being gullible. As a serious collector I also cringe at the term "glow in the dark" when referring to fluorescent minerals, but then again, they do indeed glow when you hit them with UV, and I think most, if not all, people realize that it is the UV that excites them and they are not spontaneously glowing. That point was made obvious throughout the show. She sounded like a doofus when she said it, and I rolled my eyes upon hearing it, but I was much more concerned about the relentless focus on dollar value vs. fun, friendship, and science. I suppose in the long run it was his highly stylized and somewhat vague rendering of the point that threw me off. And since I don't know anything about him, it was hard to tell what he was trying to say. But I'll take Tim's word that the fellow knows his stuff. OK, enough of that... Don From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 15:04:11 2008 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Mon Mar 17 15:01:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: Those little sphericals you picked up were probably taconite pellets. The taconite was ground to a fine powder and the iron ore separed out using magnets. The powdered iron was then combined with bentonite clay and limestone and rolled into pellets which were transported in open rail cars. What you picked up were probably some of the pellets that spilled off the trains. C On Mar 17, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Ted Kowalski wrote: > Sure looks like the little sphericals I used to pick up under railroad > trestles, melted train brakes or something. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg VA USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > pmodreski@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:20 PM > To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax > > > > > Huh?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 > > Well gee, what the heck, what do you want for only a 99-cent bid?? > Full-grown boji stones? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Brown > To: gbrown@catspaw-minerals.com; 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing > list for > rock and gem collectors' > Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:47 pm > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax > > > > But wait... There's more! > > Rare Red Quartz! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30020663572 > > Real Gold in Obsidian! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219707682 > > Huh?? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160219171290 > > And last but not least, in honor of Holy Week: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140216460938 > Yours for a mere forty-five grand. But remember... Local Pickup Only! > > GcB > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 16:02:50 2008 From: mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com (Sandra B. Gee) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:02:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <47DEEA7D.6040702@verizon.net> Message-ID: <918408.91518.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, it's from Wikipedia, but what the hey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boji_stone People really believe this sort of stuff? Wow.... Sandra --- DonH wrote: > Ted Kowalski wrote: > > > Well now, I'm confused. > > > > Are you well respected geologists and > mineralologists telling me that there > > are rocks that glow in the dark, independently? . > . . > > > I just don't have the same reaction to the words > "glow in the dark". > > > Well I'm just a regular guy, but I was confused > regarding his intended > meaning. I don't want to beat the dead horse too > much but the context > and semantics could have been taken either way, > especially given the > content of all his ranting up to that point, > regarding her being > gullible. As a serious collector I also cringe at > the term "glow in the > dark" when referring to fluorescent minerals, but > then again, they do > indeed glow when you hit them with UV, and I think > most, if not all, > people realize that it is the UV that excites them > and they are not > spontaneously glowing. That point was made obvious > throughout the show. > She sounded like a doofus when she said it, and I > rolled my eyes upon > hearing it, but I was much more concerned about the > relentless focus on > dollar value vs. fun, friendship, and science. > > I suppose in the long run it was his highly stylized > and somewhat vague > rendering of the point that threw me off. And since > I don't know > anything about him, it was hard to tell what he was > trying to say. But > I'll take Tim's word that the fellow knows his > stuff. > > OK, enough of that... > > Don > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Ted at crystalgems.com Mon Mar 17 16:03:58 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:04:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax Now funny boji boojum sphericals In-Reply-To: References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov><47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net><02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi><8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <00e301c88883$2ee4d0a0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> No, it's not taconite; otherwise we would've been able to pick up the balls anywhere along the train line. We (kids with slingshots) figured out that we needed fairly high train trestles to find the balls. My understanding is that train brakes would phase change when overheated and slough off melted material taking the heat out of the brake system. Given a high enough fall and this material cools into spherical shapes. They were some sort of composite material and were just heavy enough to make decent slingshot ammo, but not so heavy you'd really hurt someone if you hit them. They're also the reason people would learn not to park their cars under train trestles. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn & Steve Weinberger Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:04 PM To: Ted@crystalgems.com; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax Those little sphericals you picked up were probably taconite pellets. The taconite was ground to a fine powder and the iron ore separed out using magnets. The powdered iron was then combined with bentonite clay and limestone and rolled into pellets which were transported in open rail cars. What you picked up were probably some of the pellets that spilled off the trains. C On Mar 17, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Ted Kowalski wrote: > Sure looks like the little sphericals I used to pick up under railroad > trestles, melted train brakes or something. > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg VA USA > From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 16:11:02 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:11:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <918408.91518.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <47DEEA7D.6040702@verizon.net> <918408.91518.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 12mm is 6 inches? LOL BK On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Sandra B. Gee wrote: > Yes, it's from Wikipedia, but what the hey. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boji_stone > > People really believe this sort of stuff? > > Wow.... > > Sandra > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 17 16:35:59 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:36:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list In-Reply-To: References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Rockhounds List, I'd like to forward a question that came to the editor of Rocks & Minerals magazine, to see if anyone on this list is familiar with this agate and would like to try answering the inquiry of the gentleman, Stefan Bachmayer [don't know where or what country he's from]: ? Hello, ?I?m searching very intensiv red agate nodules (moss agate) rough - similar of the photos.? ?Foundation: Western US?? ?Maybe you can help me or know where I get this material. ?If you have such material now or in future please send pictures. ?Thanks for your help. ?greetings, Stefan??? stefan@bachmayer.info ? [by "foundation",?I'm sure he?means location]? Not having another good way to share the pictures Stefan sent, if you paste this full?url into your web browser it will open an aol picture album with three views of a piece of this agate.? It is indeed, as Stefan says, a very?vivid, intense deep?red color, not like any I have offhand seen; reminds me of myrickite, but that is opal of course and is more orange-red. http://pictures.aol.com/ap/viewShare.do?shareInfo=esv4e%2b9w77ncAqFoejfCd8F6mrMZ0sOUe%2f%2fMOOuqyfFWGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d This person is not on the Rockhound list of course, so if you have any information you'd can share with him about this, please write to him directly.? (Probably the folks on the List, including me, would appreciate?hearing what you have to say about?it too.)?Thanks very much, Pete Modreski --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 16:47:37 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:48:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list In-Reply-To: <8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <47DF0319.6090708@verizon.net> Wow, those colors are way oversturated. My brain hurts now. It has the form and texture of some petrified wood I've seen, but it is difficult to tell from the photos. Don From volgems at icx.net Mon Mar 17 16:53:01 2008 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:53:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax Message-ID: <32936233.1205797981647.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Isn't 6 inches more like 15 CM not mm? 1 millimeter = 0.0393700787 inches, thus 12 mm = ~ .472 in -----Original Message----- >From: J Bryan Kramer >Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:11 PM >To: mp44sturm-rocks@yahoo.com, "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax > >12mm is 6 inches? > >LOL > >BK > >On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Sandra B. Gee >wrote: > >> Yes, it's from Wikipedia, but what the hey. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boji_stone >> >> People really believe this sort of stuff? >> >> Wow.... >> >> Sandra >> > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 16:55:38 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Mon Mar 17 16:55:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <32936233.1205797981647.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32936233.1205797981647.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: 2.54 cm or 25.4 mm per inch, so yes 150mm or 15 cm would be about 6 inches. BK On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 7:53 PM, John Teague wrote: > Isn't 6 inches more like 15 CM not mm? > > 1 millimeter = 0.0393700787 inches, > thus 12 mm = ~ .472 in > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Mar 17 18:10:41 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 17 18:10:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list In-Reply-To: <8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <200803180110.m2I1AkMZ010578@bubbleator.drizzle.com> I have seen similar, but not that "red". Either the photos are oversaturated, it's dyed, or I am unfamiliar with any natural moss agate with that heavily saturated red color. I am quite sure Stephan is German, he is an avid thunderegg and agate collector and used to come to Portland for professional conferences; he has been to the Ashwood trip and I have traded with him in the past. I still have some of the Hungarian "geyserite" (i.e., hot spring calcite) he brought me that is good for nothing but its looks and carving. If someone wants to carve me something nice they can have it all (hint!)... At 04:35 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote: >Rockhounds List, > >I'd like to forward a question that came to the editor of Rocks & >Minerals magazine, to see if anyone on this list is familiar with >this agate and would like to try answering the inquiry of the >gentleman, Stefan Bachmayer [don't know where or what country he's from]: Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 17 18:39:19 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 17 18:37:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list In-Reply-To: <200803180110.m2I1AkMZ010578@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> <47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov> <47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net> <002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook> <8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> <006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net> <8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net> <02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi> <02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <200803180110.m2I1AkMZ010578@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <47DF1D47.7080606@verizon.net> Tim Fisher wrote: > Hungarian "geyserite" (i.e., hot spring calcite) he brought me that is > good for nothing but its looks and carving. If someone wants to carve me > something nice they can have it all (hint!)... Do you have a UV light? Sometimes geyserite fluoresces, due to trace amounts of uranyl... Don From gammiep at yahoo.com Mon Mar 17 19:21:50 2008 From: gammiep at yahoo.com (Debbie Duncan) Date: Mon Mar 17 19:21:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures Message-ID: <548849.60903.qm@web83615.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What does that bring the total to and how do I order it? Do you use paypal? Deb ----- Original Message ---- From: Juergen Wachsmuth To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:42:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Ad: American Mineral Treasures Hello Frank, could you please tell me your price including postage to Gerrmany! (slow and cheap if possible) J?rgen Wachsmuth Ulm Frank Daniels schrieb: > I just added American Mineral Treasures to the bookselling portion of my > website. For list members I will take off $5. This is truly a beautiful > book. > > > > Frank > > > > > > WESTERN COLORADO PUBLISHING COMPANY > > 2024 Freedom Court > > Grand Junction, CO 81503-9522 > > publisher@WesternColoradoPublishing.com > > www.WesternColoradoPublishing.com > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From smtravis at plateautel.net Mon Mar 17 19:51:28 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Mon Mar 17 19:53:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list References: <008501c884a1$e49a07c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose><47DAB4E2.3090505@azgs.az.gov><47DABA80.50307@azgs.az.gov><47DB3E71.743E@Tomaszewski.net><002401c886ac$9e9c27f0$0200a8c0@Notebook><8CA550CB2D87242-CA4-734@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com><006901c887b7$c77c0da0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47DDEE42.186@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5661495AE27B-D28-393@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEA1B0.7000807@verizon.net><8CA566A7417C958-D28-A88@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><47DEB0FA.5090109@verizon.net><02db01c8885b$1a9ff070$6601a8c0@okapi><02e501c8885f$664d6d00$6601a8c0@okapi><8CA568BBE4A4C64-D28-2314@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com><00d001c88877$6b7b2f20$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1><8CA569EC9717352-D28-30E8@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com> <47DF0319.6090708@veriz on.net> Message-ID: <00f801c888a2$f6c5b250$d59f324a@marilyn> Alittle of the S Texas agate I have collected is that red and has porosity like that. I can't be sure its from there but I have some that red in sunlight. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonH" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list > > > Wow, those colors are way oversturated. My brain hurts now. > > It has the form and texture of some petrified wood I've seen, but it is > difficult to tell from the photos. > > Don > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Mon Mar 17 19:53:34 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Mon Mar 17 19:54:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting References: Message-ID: <00fd01c888a3$43ba51b0$d59f324a@marilyn> Long handled with a much narower blade and pick point Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Virgin Valley Nevada Collecting > I'm quite surprised by all this discussion about these special > picks--there's clearly a whole extra subculture here, that many of us > "regular mineral > collectors" are clueless about. I was glad that someone picked up on > this and > asked, because I was wondering about it from the beginning when someone > referred to a Virgin Valley Pick. I'm still trying to figure out if this > is a > short-handled pick like a regular "rock pick", or a long heavy one that > you swing > with two hands, like for a regular big old "pick and shovel". > > (I must say, I'm not even sure what an Estwing "Paleo-Pick" is. To some > of > us, especially we geologists, there's just a "regular rock pick" (pointed > end) which fancy folks call a "geo-pick", vs. a "soft-rock pick", with a > chisel > end, which I assume is what a "Paleo-Pick" is.) > > Well, you learn something new every day! : ) > > Pete > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From bova at mindspring.com Mon Mar 17 20:42:27 2008 From: bova at mindspring.com (bova@mindspring.com) Date: Mon Mar 17 20:42:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Message-ID: <33133448.1205811747768.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It looks very similar to jasper I've seen in the Lavic Siding, Field Siding, Ludlow and Cady Mountains areas of the Mojave Desert, near Barstow, California. The jaspers and jasp-agates do come in reds that intense, sometimes with orange, yellow and/or white, but more commonly, the jasper is a solid reddish-brown. The material on the south side of route 40 is very weathered, and probably float from some distance away, possibly the Cady Mountains, although the Cady jasp-agate is a little different. As usual, it's hard to tell exactly from an internet image, but the mention of moss agate makes it a stronger possibility. I found two nice pics of a piece of rough and a slab from Lavic http://www.stoneageindustries.com/rough_lavic_jasper.html http://stoneageindustries.com/lavic_jasper_slabs.html This is a picture of a red jasp-agate from the Cady Mountains http://www.minerals.cc/gallery.cfm?GalleryID=218&PhotoID=3013 And one from Ludlow, which is also along Route 40 in the same area of the Mojave. http://www.minersgallery.com/index.php?productID=401 Coincidentally, myrickite is found in the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, north of Barstow, California. Carol -----Original Message----- >From: pmodreski@aol.com >Sent: Mar 17, 2008 7:35 PM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] "intense red agate", a question from off-list > > >Rockhounds List, > >I'd like to forward a question that came to the editor of Rocks & Minerals magazine, to see if anyone on this list is familiar with this agate and would like to try answering the inquiry of the gentleman, Stefan Bachmayer [don't know where or what country he's from]: > >? > > >Hello, > >?I?m searching very intensiv red agate nodules (moss agate) rough - similar of the photos.? > >?Foundation: Western US?? > >?Maybe you can help me or know where I get this material. > >?If you have such material now or in future please send pictures. > >?Thanks for your help. > >?greetings, Stefan??? stefan@bachmayer.info >? >[by "foundation",?I'm sure he?means location]? Not having another good way to share the pictures Stefan sent, if you paste this full?url into your web browser it will open an aol picture album with three views of a piece of this agate.? It is indeed, as Stefan says, a very?vivid, intense deep?red color, not like any I have offhand seen; reminds me of myrickite, but that is opal of course and is more orange-red. > > >http://pictures.aol.com/ap/viewShare.do?shareInfo=esv4e%2b9w77ncAqFoejfCd8F6mrMZ0sOUe%2f%2fMOOuqyfFWGd%2bBXiXp6w%3d%3d > >This person is not on the Rockhound list of course, so if you have any information you'd can share with him about this, please write to him directly.? (Probably the folks on the List, including me, would appreciate?hearing what you have to say about?it too.)?Thanks very much, > >Pete Modreski > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From corson at infodyn.com Mon Mar 17 23:46:04 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Mon Mar 17 23:47:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Preannounce - 33% Off Sale! Message-ID: <003701c888c3$bcfd0d40$610fa8c0@Grimble> Fellow collectors, I have just placed about 50 specimens on sale at 33% off on the OBG Gems & Minerals website. I am pre-announcing it here and on Mindat before I start general advertising online on March 19th. The specimens include some great pieces from the Charlie Key Collection, and other fine specimens as well, so get 'em while they last! Here is a direct link to the items on sale: http://infodyn.dyndns.org:8880/cgi-bin/query_sku?SaleOnly To browse all of the current specimens online, use: http://infodyn.dyndns.org:8880/store/galleries.html If you see something you like, but it is too big, too small, or over your budget, send me an email with your requirements. I very well may have what you want. For example, I currently have over 120 Erongo Aquamarine specimens. They range in price from $20 to $300. Only 3 pieces are currently online, at $40, $200, and $300 (before the 33% off). So, if you don't see it, just ask.... Best regards, Tom Corson OBG Gems & Minerals corson@infodyn.com http://www.obgrocks.com/ From rockcurrier at cs.com Tue Mar 18 06:22:10 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Mar 18 05:22:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate References: <200803172348.m2HNmJMg028370@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <005c01c888fb$18412330$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> I wonder if the three pictures of the intense red "agate" might be a selected piece of "poppy jasper" from Morgan Hill up by San Jose, California. Some of that material gets pretty red. It looks very much like the pictured "agate" is wet and if that is so, it will look a lot redder than it would when it is dry. Add to that some red bias from the imaging technique and perhaps a more than natural red bias on the image reader on some computers and you might get something that will hurt your eyes. At any rate I don't think there is a source in the Western United states for quantities of agate as red at that. Rock From jaybates at rcn.com Tue Mar 18 09:26:05 2008 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Tue Mar 18 08:22:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate In-Reply-To: <005c01c888fb$18412330$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> References: <200803172348.m2HNmJMg028370@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <005c01c888fb$18412330$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <47DFED1D.9040807@rcn.com> There are some very intense jasper/agates that come from Australia. I would think that is a likely source. I don't think it is anything from USA, although there are literally thousands of sources, many little or not known. Rock Currier wrote: > I wonder if the three pictures of the intense red "agate" might be a > selected piece of "poppy jasper" from Morgan Hill up by San Jose, > California. Some of that material gets pretty red. It looks very much > like the pictured "agate" is wet and if that is so, it will look a lot > redder than it would when it is dry. Add to that some red bias from > the imaging technique and perhaps a more than natural red bias on the > image reader on some computers and you might get something that will > hurt your eyes. At any rate I don't think there is a source in the > Western United states for quantities of agate as red at that. > Rock > From jr50wv at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 10:15:31 2008 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Tue Mar 18 10:15:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dinosaur mummy! Message-ID: <933734.8415.qm@web56313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all: I have no more to say, here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03/18/dinosaur.mummy.ap/index.html?fark Another amazing scientific discovery! JR --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at mindspring.com Tue Mar 18 11:38:09 2008 From: bova at mindspring.com (bova@mindspring.com) Date: Tue Mar 18 11:38:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate Message-ID: <19666009.1205865489877.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Rock, Isn't the red in poppy jasper usually surrounded by a mustard-yellow jasper? The reply I sent last night got out with a partial subject, so you might have overlooked it and it follows below. There are links to examples of Mojave Desert material that is an intense red. I'm on a new (to me) computer, and I just realized I haven't checked the monitor color calibration, so perhaps I'm not seeing the same 'red' as others are. Date: Mar 17, 2008 11:42 PM It looks very similar to jasper I've seen in the Lavic Siding, Field Siding, Ludlow and Cady Mountains areas of the Mojave Desert, near Barstow, California. The jaspers and jasp-agates do come in reds that intense, sometimes with orange, yellow and/or white, but more commonly, the jasper is a solid reddish-brown. The material on the south side of route 40 is very weathered, and probably float from some distance away, possibly the Cady Mountains, although the Cady jasp-agate is a little different. As usual, it's hard to tell exactly from an internet image, but the mention of moss agate makes it a stronger possibility. I found two nice pics of a piece of rough and a slab from Lavic http://www.stoneageindustries.com/rough_lavic_jasper.html http://stoneageindustries.com/lavic_jasper_slabs.html This is a picture of a red jasp-agate from the Cady Mountains http://www.minerals.cc/gallery.cfm?GalleryID=218&PhotoID=3013 And one from Ludlow, which is also along Route 40 in the same area of the Mojave. http://www.minersgallery.com/index.php?productID=401 Coincidentally, myrickite is found in the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, north of Barstow, California. Carol -----Original Message----- >From: Rock Currier >Sent: Mar 18, 2008 9:22 AM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate > >I wonder if the three pictures of the intense red "agate" might be a >selected piece of "poppy jasper" from Morgan Hill up by San Jose, >California. Some of that material gets pretty red. It looks very much like >the pictured "agate" is wet and if that is so, it will look a lot redder >than it would when it is dry. Add to that some red bias from the imaging >technique and perhaps a more than natural red bias on the image reader on >some computers and you might get something that will hurt your eyes. At any >rate I don't think there is a source in the Western United states for >quantities of agate as red at that. >Rock > From justin at the-vug.com Tue Mar 18 11:43:04 2008 From: justin at the-vug.com (Justin@the-vug.com) Date: Tue Mar 18 11:43:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas Diamond Fraud Message-ID: <00dc01c88927$e6ab8770$6401a8c0@zzyzx00d48d9d6> I was checking the links to FakeMinerals.com the other night when I came across this board and some negative posts directed my way. So, who do *I* think I am? Well, my name is Justin and I've been into minerals for over 8 years now. I worked for a large wholesale mineral warehouse for several years as the showroom manager, I own The-Vug.com. I've run several large mineral shows, I've been a member of several mineral clubs, lead field trips, given talks. In fact, I'll be on my way to give a talk tonight to the Sierra Peloma club. So, *ahem*, I think I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. Hold on wait, there is more... I publish a magazine about minerals, (want to subscribe?) I run special events during the Tucson show, which I'm there the entire time! I go to most large US mineral shows each year. My wife designs websites for many major mineral dealers and the hokey pokey is really what it's about. There is more, but hey, I don't want to take up TOO much of your time! In fact, before this diamond fraud dropped into my lap, I was doing the layout for my next magazine, which features the Crater of Diamonds. Odd, eh? So, yeah, go to FakeMinerals.com and read about this horrible diamond scam. Best, Justin The-Vug.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tjokela at execulink.com Tue Mar 18 11:48:45 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Tue Mar 18 11:48:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas Diamond Fraud References: <00dc01c88927$e6ab8770$6401a8c0@zzyzx00d48d9d6> Message-ID: <013801c88928$b2389950$6400a8c0@Junior> Very nice expose, Justin. Brave of you to expose the dirty little crook. Surprising the folks in charge at Murfreesboro didn't catch on to a guy having so much luck when they know how rare those diamonds are. I think the mineral collecting community should support you to the fullest, and I think we need to start working on other problem areas, like the nightmare that is eBay, and the Boji Stone style crap on Wikipedia. Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin@the-vug.com" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas Diamond Fraud I was checking the links to FakeMinerals.com the other night when I came across this board and some negative posts directed my way. So, who do *I* think I am? Well, my name is Justin and I've been into minerals for over 8 years now. I worked for a large wholesale mineral warehouse for several years as the showroom manager, I own The-Vug.com. I've run several large mineral shows, I've been a member of several mineral clubs, lead field trips, given talks. In fact, I'll be on my way to give a talk tonight to the Sierra Peloma club. So, *ahem*, I think I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. Hold on wait, there is more... I publish a magazine about minerals, (want to subscribe?) I run special events during the Tucson show, which I'm there the entire time! I go to most large US mineral shows each year. My wife designs websites for many major mineral dealers and the hokey pokey is really what it's about. There is more, but hey, I don't want to take up TOO much of your time! In fact, before this diamond fraud dropped into my lap, I was doing the layout for my next magazine, which features the Crater of Diamonds. Odd, eh? So, yeah, go to FakeMinerals.com and read about this horrible diamond scam. Best, Justin The-Vug.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jonnaakamom at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 12:44:27 2008 From: jonnaakamom at gmail.com (Jonna) Date: Tue Mar 18 12:46:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas Diamond Fraud In-Reply-To: <00dc01c88927$e6ab8770$6401a8c0@zzyzx00d48d9d6> References: <00dc01c88927$e6ab8770$6401a8c0@zzyzx00d48d9d6> Message-ID: I have been reading about this hoax and have been quite confused by reactions. I have been an avid armchair rockhound and online reader for quite some years now. I can't recall any negative whispers online about the Vug or those affiliated with it. I have been under the impression that the Vug has a possitive reputation as an online presence in the mineral world. Perhaps this is a time to realize that when bringing about a bit of controversy there can be some backlash. It's to be expected. Maybe just take it with a grain of salt so to speak? Years of good reputation will speak for itself. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Justin@the-vug.com wrote: > I was checking the links to FakeMinerals.com the other night when I came across this board and some negative posts directed my way. > > So, who do *I* think I am? Well, my name is Justin and I've been into minerals for over 8 years now. I worked for a large wholesale mineral warehouse for several years as the showroom manager, I own The-Vug.com. I've run several large mineral shows, I've been a member of several mineral clubs, lead field trips, given talks. In fact, I'll be on my way to give a talk tonight to the Sierra Peloma club. > > So, *ahem*, I think I know a little bit about what I'm talking about. > > Hold on wait, there is more... > > I publish a magazine about minerals, (want to subscribe?) I run special events during the Tucson show, which I'm there the entire time! I go to most large US mineral shows each year. My wife designs websites for many major mineral dealers and the hokey pokey is really what it's about. > > There is more, but hey, I don't want to take up TOO much of your time! > > In fact, before this diamond fraud dropped into my lap, I was doing the layout for my next magazine, which features the Crater of Diamonds. Odd, eh? > > So, yeah, go to FakeMinerals.com and read about this horrible diamond scam. > > Best, > Justin > The-Vug.com > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 18 13:07:58 2008 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:10:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate In-Reply-To: <19666009.1205865489877.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <188965.49900.qm@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm with you Carol. I thought "Lavic" as well. That red agate isn't sooo hard to find there, but mostly I see it in the small stones of the desert pavement (big bright chunks having been collected long ago). Flint bova@mindspring.com wrote: Rock, Isn't the red in poppy jasper usually surrounded by a mustard-yellow jasper? The reply I sent last night got out with a partial subject, so you might have overlooked it and it follows below. There are links to examples of Mojave Desert material that is an intense red. I'm on a new (to me) computer, and I just realized I haven't checked the monitor color calibration, so perhaps I'm not seeing the same 'red' as others are. Date: Mar 17, 2008 11:42 PM It looks very similar to jasper I've seen in the Lavic Siding, Field Siding, Ludlow and Cady Mountains areas of the Mojave Desert, near Barstow, California. The jaspers and jasp-agates do come in reds that intense, sometimes with orange, yellow and/or white, but more commonly, the jasper is a solid reddish-brown. The material on the south side of route 40 is very weathered, and probably float from some distance away, possibly the Cady Mountains, although the Cady jasp-agate is a little different. As usual, it's hard to tell exactly from an internet image, but the mention of moss agate makes it a stronger possibility. I found two nice pics of a piece of rough and a slab from Lavic http://www.stoneageindustries.com/rough_lavic_jasper.html http://stoneageindustries.com/lavic_jasper_slabs.html This is a picture of a red jasp-agate from the Cady Mountains http://www.minerals.cc/gallery.cfm?GalleryID=218&PhotoID=3013 And one from Ludlow, which is also along Route 40 in the same area of the Mojave. http://www.minersgallery.com/index.php?productID=401 Coincidentally, myrickite is found in the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, north of Barstow, California. Carol -----Original Message----- >From: Rock Currier >Sent: Mar 18, 2008 9:22 AM >To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com >Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate > >I wonder if the three pictures of the intense red "agate" might be a >selected piece of "poppy jasper" from Morgan Hill up by San Jose, >California. Some of that material gets pretty red. It looks very much like >the pictured "agate" is wet and if that is so, it will look a lot redder >than it would when it is dry. Add to that some red bias from the imaging >technique and perhaps a more than natural red bias on the image reader on >some computers and you might get something that will hurt your eyes. At any >rate I don't think there is a source in the Western United states for >quantities of agate as red at that. >Rock > -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org Tue Mar 18 13:14:21 2008 From: everbeek at sterlinghillminingmuseum.org (Earl R. Verbeek) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:14:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Arkansas diamond hoax In-Reply-To: <200803171820.m2HIKAbV004732@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <000001c88934$a6ec5530$2101a8c0@sterling88d31e> Tim Fisher wrote: Justin knows more about minerals than I will ever hope to know. He was referring to comments made by Becky the "host" of "Cash & Treasures". I agree, the mentality of that show is bass-ackwards. It should be about fun, adventure, family, getting dirty, etc., not "Hey what's THIS worth"? Every single valuation I have seen on that show was pure BS, except for the valuation put on one of Earl's fluorescent Franklin pieces by the museum (I forget which one) that she donated it to. ---------------------------------------------------- I have to agree that the constant emphasis on monetary value is a negative aspect of the show. We were aware of this emphasis during filming of the segment on Sterling Hill, and felt uneasy when Becky would ask "What is this worth?" and we'd say "Oh, maybe $10 to the right buyer." She never did find anything worth a whole lot, and the best find of the day was an attractive hydrozincite-calcite combo piece. The specimen that was finally selected for "official" valuation by the California museum was no standout either, as reflected in the quoted value. I kept on wondering if we'd disappointed the Travel Channel folks by not salting the collecting area or guiding Becky to a fantastic specimen, but we played it straight. Later, upon viewing other episodes, it seemed to us that either Becky had fabulous luck or her gold pans and shovels of dirt were helped along a little bit -- the TV version of poetic license, I suppose. But this is the U.S., home of the almighty dollar (well, it used to be....), and the Travel Channel folks are well aware of what clicks with the viewing audience. The show is not aimed at mineral collectors, who already know better. In the end, upon looking at the various shows, it seemed you could get rich everywhere but Sterling Hill. No wonder we don't have people breaking down the fences at night. FWIW, valuable fluorescent minerals are occasionally found at Sterling Hill, as in a specimen of fluorescent genthelvite that sold for $1,000 a few years ago. The average per-specimen value, however, is probably about two orders of magnitude lower than that. As in most places, the good finds are rare, and you're not going to get rich here by throwing a bunch of rocks in a bucket and taking them elsewhere to sell. About that statement that "Rocks do not glow in the dark", well, yeah, some do. Granted that you've gotta put them under ultraviolet light, but when you do, a fluorescent mineral does indeed glow -- that is, it is emitting light, not just reflecting it. It's glowing just as much as a candle flame glows, or the tungsten filament in a light bulb, or the ceramic night light in your bathroom. They all emit light -- the difference is simply in the mechanism of imparting energy to the material, which it subsequently "converts" into visible light. Cheers- Earl Verbeek --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Tue Mar 18 13:20:23 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Tue Mar 18 13:20:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD- Spring Sale- ConnRox Minerals References: <188965.49900.qm@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c88935$7f4c2db0$0300000a@LarryRush> Well, Spring has sprung! (Here in the Northeast US, it is more like Nudged!) I am having a Back to Life sale, from now until May 1 to celebrate. 25% off of listed prices at... www.ConnRoxMinerals.com I have added a page of a few of my old mining stock certificates, as well. A chance to own a piece of your own mine! (Well, on paper, anyway! Don't plan on doing any collecting yet.) Larry From mike.city at gte.net Tue Mar 18 15:45:35 2008 From: mike.city at gte.net (Mike Woodward) Date: Tue Mar 18 15:50:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver Gem and Mineral show Message-ID: <51BD65FE-09B9-4913-8C6E-0547B1711A6C@gte.net> Does anyone show at the Denver Gem and Mineral show? Am looking for a person to contact to request a space to show my art of fossils and stones. I sent a dealers request via email Feb 20th but haven't heard from them. Thanks, Mike Woodward From bobl at peaktopeak.com Tue Mar 18 18:24:16 2008 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Tue Mar 18 18:23:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver Gem and Mineral show In-Reply-To: <51BD65FE-09B9-4913-8C6E-0547B1711A6C@gte.net> Message-ID: <200803190123.m2J1N1AK002137@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Mike, Do you know who you sent the e-mail to? I'm forwarding your e-mail to Katherine Brannan, the show's Dealer Chairperson. If you sent it to her already, maybe it just slipped through the cracks. Regards, Bob Loeffler Webmaster and Asst. Dealer Chairman Denver Gem and Mineral Show Dealers@DenverMineralShow.com http://www.DenverMineralShow.com -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mike Woodward Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:46 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver Gem and Mineral show Does anyone show at the Denver Gem and Mineral show? Am looking for a person to contact to request a space to show my art of fossils and stones. I sent a dealers request via email Feb 20th but haven't heard from them. Thanks, Mike Woodward -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 18:39:00 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 18 18:39:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] More on the Peruvian meteor Message-ID: < http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/18/peruvian-meteorite-may-rewrite-impact-theories/ > This theory seems unlikely to me. BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Tue Mar 18 19:29:40 2008 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Tue Mar 18 19:29:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense Red Agate In-Reply-To: <200803190103.m2J13H4V023195@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200803190103.m2J13H4V023195@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <0CC6059C-F753-4CE5-AEF1-41B4285544CB@cox.net> I'm with Carol Bova and Flint on this one. Have collected in the area for years, and yes, it is every bit that red, polishes very nicely as well. No dye in these beauties. Tumble sized float easily found. Hugs, Terrie From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 21:45:35 2008 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Tue Mar 18 21:45:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List In-Reply-To: <933734.8415.qm@web56313.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <833492.85583.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, I'll be attending my first MAPS (Mid-America Paleo Society) bshow in Macomb, Ill this April - have motel reservations and all. So I got to thinking (turned 60 yesterday), how many opportunities will I have left to do some of the fossil hunting I've always wanted to do? My wife and I sat down and looked at the calendar and decided that April and May are pretty much free (we're both retired now) save some Dr. appointments that we may try to avoid. So, we've decided to take at least April, and maybe into May, and tour the mid-west to hunt for fossils, rocks and minerals. We're considering OK, MO, IL, IN, KY, IA, SD, ND, MT, WY, NE, KS, CO, and maybe even Alberta, Ca. as possibilities (but clearly not anywhere near ALL). I have all of the Gem Trails for the available states, but these are not always the "right" places to hunt. So the pitch . . . Would anyone be willing to give up some info on some good sites to hunt to a guy for his "bucket list" dream hunt of the mid-west? (Come on now, how could you refuse that?) Seriously, I'd appreciate any info anyone on the list would like to share, Tom Bowers tomrbowers@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockcurrier at cs.com Wed Mar 19 00:18:49 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Tue Mar 18 23:19:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Intense red agate References: <200803190103.m2J13LeQ023208@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <003501c88991$7b6837f0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Carol, Yes, you are correct with your observations about the jasper from Morgan Hill, California and yes, the piece pictured could be from Lavic. Some of the jasper from Morgan Hill can get very red, though not much of it. The Lavic locality could be a good candidate for the locality as well, though in my youth when I was walking around at the Lavic locality I didn't find much red "jasp agate", though there was certainly some. The point I was making is that I don't think there is any locality in the SW United States where any quantity of this material can be found. Probably it will never be known where that red bit of agate/jasper came from unless you could trace it back to the guy who picked it up. I see that Justin has introduced himself to the group. He was never one to hide his light under a bushel, perhaps carbon arc, might describe it better. The big mineral warehouse he used to work at was at my company, Jewel Tunnel Imports. The things Justin writes are often of the quality to stimulate controversy and few would mistake him as an author likely to generate a well-reasoned impartial article for Wikipedia. I once though he was a bit like a child who has just demonstrated a horrible new use of the microwave and the family cat. Rock From pmodreski at aol.com Wed Mar 19 07:59:15 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 19 07:59:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List In-Reply-To: <833492.85583.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA57E8EEEDA403-790-2A49@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> Ah, Tom, you could of course get into a more seriously interesting pursuit and start collecting beautifully crystallized MINERALS instead of just all those old dead squashed and buried critters and vegetables! (Hope you don't mind a little good-natured poking fun here...) But I did want to mention, a very entertaining book, if you haven't seen it (perhaps you have), is Cruisin' the Fossil Freeway: An Epoch Tale of a Scientist and an Artist on the Ultimate 5,000-Mile Paleo Road Trip , by Kirk Johnson and Ray Troll; a fun to read tour of the most famous and most interesting fossil sites of the western U.S. (not all of which one can collect at, of course). Also, as I'm sure you'll see at MAPS if you haven't seen it already, the new book (Jan. '08) by Lynne Clos, North America Through Time, a Paleontological History of Our Continent, is very good--I bought a copy in Tucson. Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Tom Bowers To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:45 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List Folks, I'll be attending my first MAPS (Mid-America Paleo Society) bshow in Macomb, Ill this April - have motel reservations and all. So I got to thinking (turned 60 yesterday), how many opportunities will I have left to do some of the fossil hunting I've always wanted to do? My wife and I sat down and looked at the calendar and decided that April and May are pretty much free (we're both retired now) save some Dr. appointments that we may try to avoid. So, we've decided to take at least April, and maybe into May, and tour the mid-west to hunt for fossils, rocks and minerals. We're considering OK, MO, IL, IN, KY, IA, SD, ND, MT, WY, NE, KS, CO, and maybe even Alberta, Ca. as possibilities (but clearly not anywhere near ALL). I have all of the Gem Trails for the available states, but these are not always the "right" places to hunt. So the pitch . . . Would anyone be willing to give up some info on some good sites to hunt to a guy for his "bucket list" dream hunt of the mid-west? (Come on now, how could you refuse that?) Seriously, I'd appreciate any info anyone on the list would like to share, Tom Bowers tomrbowers@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From mike.city at gte.net Wed Mar 19 16:04:33 2008 From: mike.city at gte.net (Mike Woodward) Date: Wed Mar 19 16:05:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Denver Gem and Mineral show Message-ID: Bob Thanks for your redirect of my em. I sent the original email to: dealers@denvermineralshow.com I also sent it again today. Hopefully it will come through. Thanks for your help, Mike Woodward --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Wed Mar 19 20:17:19 2008 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Wed Mar 19 20:17:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List In-Reply-To: <8CA57E8EEEDA403-790-2A49@webmail-nd08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Pete, Thanks for the book recommendations. Also - I was very narrow in describing my interests and thanks for pointing that out. I'm interested in minerals and rocks as well. In fact, regarding the rocks, my wife - after years of having no interest in my hobbies - has recently taken up jewelry-making. As such, she is very interested in looking for some agates, etc. on this trip to use in her jewelry. (I have a good representation of lapidary equipment.) So - If you know of any mineral and/or fossil locations to recommend, I've very interested in these as well. Thanks again, Tom pmodreski@aol.com wrote: Ah, Tom, you could of course get into a more seriously interesting pursuit and start collecting beautifully crystallized MINERALS instead of just all those old dead squashed and buried critters and vegetables! (Hope you don't mind a little good-natured poking fun here...) But I did want to mention, a very entertaining book, if you haven't seen it (perhaps you have), is Cruisin' the Fossil Freeway: An Epoch Tale of a Scientist and an Artist on the Ultimate 5,000-Mile Paleo Road Trip , by Kirk Johnson and Ray Troll; a fun to read tour of the most famous and most interesting fossil sites of the western U.S. (not all of which one can collect at, of course). Also, as I'm sure you'll see at MAPS if you haven't seen it already, the new book (Jan. '08) by Lynne Clos, North America Through Time, a Paleontological History of Our Continent, is very good--I bought a copy in Tucson. Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Tom Bowers To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:45 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List Folks, I'll be attending my first MAPS (Mid-America Paleo Society) bshow in Macomb, Ill this April - have motel reservations and all. So I got to thinking (turned 60 yesterday), how many opportunities will I have left to do some of the fossil hunting I've always wanted to do? My wife and I sat down and looked at the calendar and decided that April and May are pretty much free (we're both retired now) save some Dr. appointments that we may try to avoid. So, we've decided to take at least April, and maybe into May, and tour the mid-west to hunt for fossils, rocks and minerals. We're considering OK, MO, IL, IN, KY, IA, SD, ND, MT, WY, NE, KS, CO, and maybe even Alberta, Ca. as possibilities (but clearly not anywhere near ALL). I have all of the Gem Trails for the available states, but these are not always the "right" places to hunt. So the pitch . . . Would anyone be willing to give up some info on some good sites to hunt to a guy for his "bucket list" dream hunt of the mid-west? (Come on now, how could you refuse that?) Seriously, I'd appreciate any info anyone on the list would like to share, Tom Bowers tomrbowers@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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Make Yahoo your homepage. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Wed Mar 19 21:07:25 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Wed Mar 19 21:07:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Assteague Island, area around In-Reply-To: <00c801c87a7a$f18a4a70$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <956084.40958.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you! We did know that we were not allowed to metal detect in and around the park area, but we are driving there from Beavercreek, Ohio so any and all places that can be used for metal detecting is great. Our campsite is on the shoreline, and we will be there for 7 days so if it is "with permission" ok to dig, then I will do some good digging. I do appreciate all of the responses that I have gotten. --- Ted Kowalski wrote: > Teri: > I'll use Jeff's reply as a springboard to respond to > your email. I'm not > exactly clear on how you're getting to Assateague. > As Jeff points out the > area is rich in young fossils (<16MYA), but you > don't have to just hunt for > fossils at Calvert Cliffs. Almost anywhere you can > get to the shoreline of > the tidal Chesapeake, Potomac you have the chance of > finding fossils, > especially if certain clay banks are eroding nearby. > > A word of warning, I believe it is illegal to metal > detect within the > Assateague National Seashore. The good news is that > you can ask permission > and perhaps do very well metal detecting in > Chincoteague. Chincoteague is > the island resort town you pass through to get to > Assateague. By all means, > make sure you stop for some ice cream > http://www.islandcreamery.net/about.html. > > If you're coming from the south, be sure to pass > through Amelia, VA. > http://www.toteshows.com/morefield.html > > Out of currency, but not out of mind is a list of > finds in Virginia (sadly, > Assateague is not included) > http://www.dmme.virginia.gov/DMR3/dmrpdfs/vamin/VAMIN_VOL33_NO01.pdf > > http://varockhound.com/va/cities/index.shtml > > At least bring your fishing gear and if you're there > in warmer weather, clam > rakes. Good Luck! > > Ted Kowalski > Fredericksburg, VA USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey T. Cessna > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:28 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Assteague Island, area > around > > Teri, > > That depends on how wide a net you want to throw. > Most things I could > think of wind up being 3,4, or more hours away. > Perhaps good for the > trip in or out if driving. > > I spent last weekend at Reedy Point digging in the > spoil piles from > the Chesapeake and Delaware canal. You can find the > Delaware State > Fossil, the Belemnite and some interesting shells. > This is from the > Late Cretaceous Mount Laurel Formation. As a bonus > most of the > belemnite fossils fluoresce yellow under UV, > stronger in LW. > > see... > http://www.dgs.udel.edu/Geology/Paleontology/destatefossil.aspx > > If you go to this site this weekend (1-2 March) > continue on to > Newark, Delaware for the Delaware Minerological > Society annual show. > > see... http://www.delminsociety.net/marchshow.htm > > If you head to the western shore of the Chesapeake > Bay (over the Bay > Bridge) you will find the Miocene Calvert Formation > in Calvert > County, MD with abundant shark teeth and many other > fossils. My > anecdotal experience is that the teeth get larger, > but fewer the > further south you go. At the north end (Brownie > Beach) examine any > handful from the wrack line for at least 1-3 1/4" > and smaller teeth. > > see... http://www.mgs.md.gov/ (lots of MD info) > > If you go to Calvert Co., it might be worth the > longer trip down to > the Calvert Marine Museum. > > see... http://calvertmarinemuseum.net/index.html > > Sorry I don't know of anything closer. > > Jeff > > > At 02:05 PM 2/28/2008, you wrote: > >Hello All. > > > >A question for my vacation. We will be spending 2 > >weeks on or around Assteague Island, > >Maryland/Virginia, and I am wondering if anyone is > >from that area, and other than doing metal > detecting, > >is there any minerals, mining, panning, or any gem > >digging around this area/the Eastern Seaboard. > > > >In the general area, we are not allowed to do > >anything, but we are willing to go to other places > >that might be of interest. > > > >Thank you in advance, > > > >Teri Jetter > >-- > >_______________________________________________ > >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >Subscription Services: > >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Thu Mar 20 10:53:37 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Thu Mar 20 10:53:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kilauea explosive eruption In-Reply-To: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> Hi List, Yesterday Kilauea's Halema'uma'u Crater was the scene of its first explosive eruption since 1924. For those of you who have been to Volcanoes National Park, the eruption was directly across the crater from the lookout at the hotel, and debris has blanketed the parking lot on the far side of the crater where there is a wooden walkway to a lookout. The fence at the lookout was damaged by flying rocks. When I went there last Thursday, Crater Rim Drive was closed because of toxic fumes billowing from the crater. At that time officials were expecting Kilauea to "clear it's throat;" it looks like it actually burped yesterday. There is no lava involved in this eruption, but one of the rocks thrown out is about the size of a washing machine. See the following URL for pictures and information: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/images.html Aloha, Kitty From pmodreski at aol.com Thu Mar 20 11:36:25 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 20 11:38:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Kilauea explosive eruption In-Reply-To: <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> References: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <8CA58D06F8D4786-130C-15D@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Very interesting, Kitty, thanks for mentioning this to the List.? I'd earlier read about the new fumarole vents on the side of the crater, and I'd wondered if that was going to lead to anything else happening.? As usual, those are all fine pictures on HVO the website. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Kitty & Bill Heacox To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:53 am Subject: [Rockhounds] Kilauea explosive eruption Hi List,? ? Yesterday Kilauea's Halema'uma'u Crater was the scene of its first explosive eruption since 1924. For those of you who have been to Volcanoes National Park, the eruption was directly across the crater from the lookout at the hotel, and debris has blanketed the parking lot on the far side of the crater where there is a wooden walkway to a lookout. The fence at the lookout was damaged by flying rocks. When I went there last Thursday, Crater Rim Drive was closed because of toxic fumes billowing from the crater. At that time officials were expecting Kilauea to "clear it's throat;" it looks like it actually burped yesterday. There is no lava involved in this eruption, but one of the rocks thrown out is about the size of a washing machine. See the following URL for pictures and information:? ? http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/images.html? ? Aloha, Kitty? -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu Mar 20 12:26:17 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu Mar 20 12:26:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] More eBay fun! In-Reply-To: <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> References: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <020301c88ac0$4680a8d0$6601a8c0@okapi> The coincidence! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120235267640 gcb From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu Mar 20 18:43:52 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu Mar 20 18:44:01 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Book on Florissant fossil beds Message-ID: <005601c88af5$048e62c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> This was posted on the Geological Society of America on-line newsletter today Alan Paleontology of the Upper Eocene Florissant Formation, Colorado GSA Member price: $42; Non-member price: $60 Edited by: Herbert W. Meyer & Dena M. Smith Year Published: 2008 Total Pages: 177 ISBN: 9780813724355 Product Code: SPE435 The Upper Eocene Florissant Formation of central Colorado contains an exceptionally preserved, highly diverse assemblage of fossil plants and insects along with some vertebrates. This volume offers 11 diverse contributions, including the history of the paleontological study of the site; new models for the role of biofilms in fossil preservation; the relevance to interpretations of paleoclimate, biogeography, and the Eocene-Oligocene floral transition; plant-insect associations during the Eocene; morphometric approaches to fossil spider identification; a summary of the mammalian fauna; the mineralogical preservation of the fossil woods and conservation strategies for the petrified forest; and the development of a new database to compile a complete inventory of the fossils and their taxonomy. The volume is partially the outcome of a GSA symposium that was held during the 2004 annual meeting, and it reports many of the newest advances in our understanding of Florissant during the past decade. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 09:17:33 2008 From: brenick at gmail.com (Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Fri Mar 21 09:18:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] More eBay fun! In-Reply-To: <020301c88ac0$4680a8d0$6601a8c0@okapi> References: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> <020301c88ac0$4680a8d0$6601a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <97175ae90803210917o76409c99l6d39dd6de96540d2@mail.gmail.com> I love amber, and am constantly amazed (not really) at the "amber" on ebay Brenda On 3/20/08, Gary Brown wrote: > > The coincidence! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120235267640 > > gcb > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Fri Mar 21 09:28:38 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri Mar 21 09:28:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] More eBay fun! In-Reply-To: <97175ae90803210917o76409c99l6d39dd6de96540d2@mail.gmail.co m> References: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> <020301c88ac0$4680a8d0$6601a8c0@okapi> <97175ae90803210917o76409c99l6d39dd6de96540d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200803211628.m2LGSiXJ005523@bubbleator.drizzle.com> OTOH, this is even kinda relevant, in a Jurassic Park-ish sense :) http://www.springerlink.com/content/g6q01158324jh60x/ and this on fakes: http://www.ambericawest.com/more_fake_amber.html and this REAL lizard in amber: http://www.smu.edu/isem/3D/3Dindex.html At 09:17 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >I love amber, and am constantly amazed (not really) at the "amber" on ebay > >Brenda > > >On 3/20/08, Gary Brown wrote: > > > > The coincidence! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120235267640 > > > > gcb > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From tam2819 at cox.net Fri Mar 21 19:43:22 2008 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Fri Mar 21 19:43:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Amber In-Reply-To: <200803220101.m2M11NHJ004188@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200803220101.m2M11NHJ004188@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <96054739-FD6C-4E98-8BE8-CAC336B5FC54@cox.net> Tim, Thank you for some very interesting links. Terrie From flint...smith at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 22 11:21:51 2008 From: flint...smith at sbcglobal.net (Flint Smith) Date: Sat Mar 22 11:21:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Amber In-Reply-To: <96054739-FD6C-4E98-8BE8-CAC336B5FC54@cox.net> Message-ID: <542385.97327.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just keep saying (through gritted teeth) "amber is a color, amber is a color, amber is a color" and your head won't explode. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 22 12:40:51 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 22 12:42:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World Message-ID: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful volcanoes in the world. http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 From betdav97 at aol.com Sat Mar 22 15:27:26 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 22 15:30:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Kreigh, Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the Yellowstone Volcano? When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has alerted us all to by now. The image on Pravda, is really impressive. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful volcanoes in the world. http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 15:49:30 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 22 15:49:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that image came from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka volcanoes did not make the list, there are a lot of them and some are active. Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me: BK On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > > Kreigh, > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > Yellowstone Volcano? > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and info > about it being > a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has alerted us all to by now. > The image on > Pravda, is really impressive. > Thanks, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful volcanoes in the > world. > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From betdav97 at aol.com Sat Mar 22 16:33:29 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 22 16:33:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA5A8C44811DD7-9B0-2390@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> I thought I had missed something on my visit there, some secret location. Maybe it came from a cave etching. D -----Original Message----- From: J Bryan Kramer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that image came from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka volcanoes did not make the list, there are a lot of them and some are active. Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me: BK On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > > Kreigh, > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > Yellowstone Volcano? > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and info > about it being > a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has alerted us all to by now. > The image on > Pravda, is really impressive. > Thanks, > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful volcanoes in the > world. > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat Mar 22 20:23:58 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat Mar 22 20:24:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47E5CD4E.2000500@hawaiiantel.net> I don't believe Yellowstone has been active with lava flows in human times, has it? The picture sure looks like Pu'u O'o on the flanks of Kilauea, however. Also in Japan...Shiga volcano??? We lived in Japan for three years and never heard of it. What about Fujiyama? That surely has to be arguably the most beautiful and famous volcano in the world. Aloha, Kitty betdav97@aol.com wrote: > > Kreigh, > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > Yellowstone Volcano? > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and > info about it being > a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has alerted us all to by now. > The image on > Pravda, is really impressive. > Thanks, > Dave From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 22 21:50:23 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 22 21:48:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47E5E130.4A58@Tomaszewski.net> Dave, Pravda reminds me of the National Enquirer, and you need to take some salt grains with their 'news'. I also wondered about the Yellowstone volcano. But the other pictures were too good not to share. I try to get my news from many sources for a variety of global perspectives. Pravda is one of the more entertaining sources I visit regularly. Kreigh betdav97@aol.com wrote: > > Kreigh, > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > Yellowstone Volcano? > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and info > about it being > a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has alerted us all to by now. > The image on > Pravda, is really impressive. > Thanks, > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful volcanoes in the > world. > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > From VevaBailey at aol.com Sat Mar 22 22:06:47 2008 From: VevaBailey at aol.com (VevaBailey@aol.com) Date: Sat Mar 22 22:06:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World Message-ID: I'm new to this site, but if you all look at Google Earth you will see that Old Faithful is actually a volcano. Right now, all it does is spew chemicals and water. Veva Bailey In a message dated 3/22/2008 3:31:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, betdav97@aol.com writes: Kreigh, Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the Yellowstone Volcano? When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has alerted us all to by now. The image on Pravda, is really impressive. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Kreigh Tomaszewski To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful volcanoes in the world. http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Mar 23 04:42:41 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Mar 23 04:44:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> I think it may be a case of mistaken identity. This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the Bocca Nuova crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy. I distinctly remember this view from the time I was there (1984) and there was a violent eruption ongoing. I stood where this picture was taken, I'm pretty sure of that. Not entirely sure but pretty sure ;-) It looks different on more recent photos but so does Mnt Kilimanjaro... The snow 's gone... Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: zaterdag 22 maart 2008 23:50 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that image > came from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka > volcanoes did not make the list, there are a lot of them and > some are active. Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me: > > > > BK > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > > > > > Kreigh, > > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > > Yellowstone Volcano? > > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and > > info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has > > alerted us all to by now. > > The image on > > Pravda, is really impressive. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > > > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > > > > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful > volcanoes in > > the world. > > > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an > illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun Mar 23 19:28:17 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun Mar 23 19:27:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> Axel, I think you have solved the mystery. I found several images online from that eruption that were close enough to convince me. I have no doubts to your memory; seeing an erupting volcano is an unforgettable experience. I just hope you were not too awe struck to take pictures to share. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > I think it may be a case of mistaken identity. > This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the Bocca Nuova > crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy. > I distinctly remember this view from the time I was there (1984) and there > was a violent eruption ongoing. I stood where this picture was taken, I'm > pretty sure of that. Not entirely sure but pretty sure ;-) > It looks different on more recent photos but so does Mnt Kilimanjaro... The > snow 's gone... > > Cheers > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > > Verzonden: zaterdag 22 maart 2008 23:50 > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that image > > came from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka > > volcanoes did not make the list, there are a lot of them and > > some are active. Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me: > > > > > > > > BK > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > > Kreigh, > > > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > > > Yellowstone Volcano? > > > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and > > > info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has > > > alerted us all to by now. > > > The image on > > > Pravda, is really impressive. > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > > > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful > > volcanoes in > > > the world. > > > > > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > > > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sun Mar 23 19:30:47 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sun Mar 23 19:32:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: I thought the Yellowstone picture must have been an artist conception, now I will go ahead and vote with Axel and his eye witness account. Pravda has never been known for its impeccable accuracy, rather for telling the state version of the "facts". Nice pics anyhow. I just saved most of these in my Volcano Pictures folder. Thanks for sharing. Glenn P.S. How are the views on the Big Island lately Kitty? (Most of my volcano pics are from this USGS link Kitty shared with this list several times: http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php This link was updated a short while back.) > From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:42:41 +0100> > I think it may be a case of mistaken identity.> This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the Bocca Nuova> crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy.> I distinctly remember this view from the time I was there (1984) and there> was a violent eruption ongoing. I stood where this picture was taken, I'm> pretty sure of that. Not entirely sure but pretty sure ;-)> It looks different on more recent photos but so does Mnt Kilimanjaro... The> snow 's gone...> > Cheers> Axel> > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer> > Verzonden: zaterdag 22 maart 2008 23:50> > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors> > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World> > > > There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that image > > came from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka > > volcanoes did not make the list, there are a lot of them and > > some are active. Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me:> > > > > > > > BK> > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote:> > > > >> > > Kreigh,> > > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > > > Yellowstone Volcano?> > > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and > > > info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has > > > alerted us all to by now.> > > The image on> > > Pravda, is really impressive.> > > Thanks,> > > Dave> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors > > > > > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm> > > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World> > >> > >> > >> > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful > > volcanoes in > > > the world.> > >> > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399> > >> > > --> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > Subscription Services:> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > >> > > --> > > _______________________________________________> > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > > Subscription Services:> > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > >> > > > > > > > --> > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an > > illusion of reality with which we create our own private world."> > Arnold Newman> > > > > > J Bryan Kramer> > North Florida, USA> > photos at:> > http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> > multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> > text/html> > ---> > -- > > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> > Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html> > > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Watch ?Cause Effect,? a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Sun Mar 23 21:34:33 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sun Mar 23 21:59:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net> <8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <200803240459.m2O4wrVk001158@jade.aracnet.com> I guess I am lucky in that my great grandfather is from Spadafora which is out of Etna's usual blast zone, or perhaps I wouldn't even exist! I hope to see Etna in all her glory someday soon :) At 07:28 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote: >Axel, > >I think you have solved the mystery. I found several images online from >that eruption that were close enough to convince me. > >I have no doubts to your memory; seeing an erupting volcano is an >unforgettable experience. > >I just hope you were not too awe struck to take pictures to share. > >Kreigh > > > >Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > I think it may be a case of mistaken identity. > > This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the Bocca Nuova > > crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy. > > I distinctly remember this view from the time I was there (1984) and there > > was a violent eruption ongoing. I stood where this picture was taken, I'm > > pretty sure of that. Not entirely sure but pretty sure ;-) > > It looks different on more recent photos but so does Mnt Kilimanjaro... The > > snow 's gone... > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > > > Verzonden: zaterdag 22 maart 2008 23:50 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > > > There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that image > > > came from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka > > > volcanoes did not make the list, there are a lot of them and > > > some are active. Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me: > > > > > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kreigh, > > > > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > > > > Yellowstone Volcano? > > > > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from the USGS and > > > > info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery Channel has > > > > alerted us all to by now. > > > > The image on > > > > Pravda, is really impressive. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > > > > > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful > > > volcanoes in > > > > the world. > > > > > > > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > > > > > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! nospam@OreRockOn.com Web Site: http://OreRockOn.com From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sun Mar 23 22:03:42 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sun Mar 23 22:04:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47E7362E.2080307@hawaiiantel.net> Yeah, I believe "Pravda" means "Truth," which is not exactly what we expect from it...just the government's idea of what the Truth is. As for how the views are on the Big Island, we don't have anything to add from personal experience yet; we're going down there next week. But if you can put "Hawaii lava" into Google News, you'll find the first entry has excellent photos of the recent flow. Here's the link, but it's long and may have to be pasted in two increments: http://science.monstersandcritics.com/features/article_1396564.php/In_photos_USA_Hawai_Volcanic_Activity Regarding the Most Beautiful Volcanoes, has anybody ever heard of or seen Shiga volcano in Japan? The picture on the Pravda site is not beautiful but rather boring, and seems insignificant, whereas Mt. Fuji is gorgeous and famous. It's almost as if the Russian government wanted to make this a put-down for Japan...like giving a 5 cent tip for a waiter or waitress is even worse than no tip at all. Fujiyama has been recorded by many artists and photographers over the years. Perhaps the most famous are the woodblock prints of Hokusai ("36 Views of Mount Fuji", done between 1826 and 1833). Wikipedia actually shows all 36, plus and additional 10 (see link below). These include the famous "Great Wave off Kanegawa," which has been made into a T-shirt here in Hawaii, adding a surfer riding the wave! An interesting aspect of the prints is that several of them have Fuji so far in the distance that it is insignificant or even hard to find, where Hokusai was clearly more interested in depicting the life of ordinary people than the majesty of the mountain. [Note: Fuji is the name of the mountain, and "yama" means "mountain." So if you hear anyone say "Mount Fujiyama," that is redundant.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36_Views_of_Mount_Fuji_(Hokusai) Aloha, Kitty Glenn Wimpee wrote: > I thought the Yellowstone picture must have been an artist conception, now I will go ahead and vote with Axel and his eye witness account. > > Pravda has never been known for its impeccable accuracy, rather for telling the state version of the "facts". > > Nice pics anyhow. I just saved most of these in my Volcano Pictures folder. > > Thanks for sharing. > Glenn > > P.S. How are the views on the Big Island lately Kitty? (Most of my volcano pics are from this USGS link Kitty shared with this list several times: http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/hvostatus.php > This link was updated a short while back.) > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Mar 24 03:35:12 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 24 03:35:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000301c88d9a$be9d02a0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Kreigh, That was long before any whispers of digital cameras were to be heard. A had a pocket camera back then, the Olympus Trip. No batteries needed, always good photos. Amazingly sturdy and trustworthy little thing. Unfortunately I had to change film almost at the top of Mnt. Etna. The wind and ongoing eruption blew very sharp grained ash into the mechanism. All the photos I took after that show signs of scraping. I bought some slides at the bus station on the way down. I must still have them somewhere (among 30 boxes of 50 slides each). The 'unforgettable' impression that lingers in my mind is that of an evening with my wife (since 1 year) in Taormina, an ancient coastal town. We went dining in a very famous restaurant that was located in one of the old "palazzos". Dining out on the terrace was even more expensive but for a good reason. Breathtaking view before and after dark fall. We were facing the volcano from were we sat. I estimate the distance between us and the volcano about 25 to 30 km. To the left was a rather steep slope running down to the sea. It was covered with cactuses and agave-like plants. All the cactuses were blooming. To our right was the palazzo in a beautiful park. But when it got dark... Oh boy! Mnt Etna was spewing fountains of thin, very fluid lava up to 400 m high. Even from that distance it was still awesome. When night fell the town and nature got quieter and after a while we noticed that we could actually hear the volcano's rhythmic "whoosh... Whoosh". The whooshes were out of sync with the pulsing fountains due to the distance (in the movies they always seem to be in sync, no matter how far they are ;-))). We had been up the mountain the day before. The guide who was up there with us told us the next day that the path that we had taken was now completely covered with volcanic bombs, some the size of a Volkswagen. I wish I could remember the restaurant's name :-( Our visit to the East slope of the mountain had to be postponed for a week until Etna quieted down a little. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: maandag 24 maart 2008 3:28 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > Axel, > > I think you have solved the mystery. I found several images > online from that eruption that were close enough to convince me. > > I have no doubts to your memory; seeing an erupting volcano > is an unforgettable experience. > > I just hope you were not too awe struck to take pictures to share. > > Kreigh > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > I think it may be a case of mistaken identity. > > This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the Bocca > > Nuova crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy. > > I distinctly remember this view from the time I was there > (1984) and > > there was a violent eruption ongoing. I stood where this > picture was > > taken, I'm pretty sure of that. Not entirely sure but > pretty sure ;-) > > It looks different on more recent photos but so does Mnt > > Kilimanjaro... The snow 's gone... > > > > Cheers > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J > Bryan Kramer > > > Verzonden: zaterdag 22 maart 2008 23:50 > > > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The > > > World > > > > > > There is no active volcano in Yellowstone so where that > image came > > > from is a mystery. I'm surprised one of the Kamchachka > volcanoes did > > > not make the list, there are a lot of them and some are active. > > > Kluchevskoy for example looks rather nice too me: > > > > > > > > > > > > BK > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kreigh, > > > > Thanks for posting the link and nice images. But where is the > > > > Yellowstone Volcano? > > > > When I Googled it, all I got was the usual stuff from > the USGS and > > > > info about it being a super volcano, which Discovery > Channel has > > > > alerted us all to by now. > > > > The image on > > > > Pravda, is really impressive. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kreigh Tomaszewski > > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > > > > > > Sent: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 3:40 pm > > > > Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravda is running a photo set of the ten most beautiful > > > volcanoes in > > > > the world. > > > > > > > > http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/volcano-2399 > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Mon Mar 24 06:02:57 2008 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Mon Mar 24 06:03:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/1205966355214980 .xml&storylist=topstories There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's CC Little (geology) department and a number of specimens and gemstones were stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and has released a list of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being offered, and there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the web. I've included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded through the Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. -- Peter Sparks zebulon@isr.umich.edu "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The specimens were stolen from the display cases on the third floor of the building. The only photos that existed were old slides that have been digitized to produce individual photos of the samples of variable, but generally somewhat poor quality. The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a smithsonite stalactite approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos and other information about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP site at the department. Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself (stefanoc@umich.edu), Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa (mukasa@umich.edu) or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala (richardz@umich.edu)." Christopher J. Stefano PhD Candidate University of Michigan Department of Geological Sciences 1100 N. University Ave. Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 3017 Clarence Cook little building 734-647-5533 stefanoc@umich.edu Here's the list of items: Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 Complaint #08-1064 Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c Chrysoberyl .96c Azurite & Malachite-Arizona Malachite- Arizona Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar Golden Beryl Aragonite inlaid jewel box Corundum sapphire Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c Corundum white sapphire Corundum sapphire Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant Feldspar Labradorite Oligoclase aventurine sunstone Oligoclase aventurine Oligoclase moonstone Fluorite Fluorite 126.3c Garnet Uvarovite .57c Garnet, various cuts Garnet necklace Lepidolite Lapis Lazuli Hematite necklace Agate paper knife Wood altered to opal Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada Fire Opal 8.5c Opal Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock Opal Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC Spodumene (kunzite) Serpentine (Williamsite) Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ Sphalerite- SPAIN Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia Olivine 3.5c Tourmaline 10.23c Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c Tourmaline Topaz 7.6c Topaz 39.7 Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c Spinel aquamarine Cats eye pearl Imitation pearls Opercula of Turbo petheolatus Cameo (carved shell) Cameo (carved shell) Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin Opalized wood Opalized wood Pink Agate Agate cut to eye Agate cut to eye Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, and two star shaped cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were definitely in the case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. From screenflot at comcast.net Mon Mar 24 08:01:07 2008 From: screenflot at comcast.net (gary mangan) Date: Mon Mar 24 07:48:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] salmon creek WA Message-ID: <000801c88dbf$e59b76a0$9a49794c@hsd1.wa.comcast.net> Can anyone tell me if digging at salmon creek at this time of year is possible, especially after the flooding in the area this winter. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kcbaran at arczip.com Mon Mar 24 13:56:33 2008 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Mon Mar 24 13:05:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] salmon creek WA In-Reply-To: <000801c88dbf$e59b76a0$9a49794c@hsd1.wa.comcast.net> References: <000801c88dbf$e59b76a0$9a49794c@hsd1.wa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <47E81581.9080908@arczip.com> Ok, I'll take the hook: Where is Salmon Creek and why would you dig in it? Thanks. Chuck gary mangan wrote: >Can anyone tell me if digging at salmon creek at this time of year is possible, especially after the flooding in the area this winter. > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Mon Mar 24 17:43:55 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Mon Mar 24 17:43:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cave photography Message-ID: <006201c88e11$4e6a80d0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> On March 16, some friends and I visited a cave I hadn't been to in many years. A summary of the trip with lots of photos is at this link. http://www.lakeneosho.org/Temp64.html It is a wonderful cave with rare helictites, gypsum crystals and a deep pit! Also check out my friend Chris' cave photos - he is one of the best in the country! Alan --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From ajs at frii.com Mon Mar 24 18:04:49 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Mon Mar 24 18:04:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <47E5CD4E.2000500@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <20080325010449.A49331CC42@io.frii.com> > I don't believe Yellowstone has been active with lava flows in human > times, has it? Not that I've ever heard... But on the same tangent, last month, thanks to Sharp and Glazner's "Geology Underfoot" book, I collected a little Yellowstone ash from the most recent caldera eruption. They give the date as 620 KYA, but various web sources say 600-650. Anyway, what's interesting is that the ash layer is about six feet thick... And about 650 miles SOUTH-SOUTHWEST of Yellowstone, near Shoshone, CA... Amazing. The ash beds there are a crumbly siltstone, light gray/tan in color, although the book says the ash was pure white, and later discolored by water percolation. Miners and depression-era homeless people dug caves into it, many of which remain! Alan Silverstein From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon Mar 24 18:50:41 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon Mar 24 18:50:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: New lava in Kilauea crater In-Reply-To: <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> References: <488018.95537.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47E2A4A1.3080101@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <47E85A70.2030803@hawaiiantel.net> Hi Gang, The following appeared in Google News under "Hawaii lava" a half hour ago: We're going down there tomorrow and hope to get pictures, but may not be able to get close enough; the gas is pretty dangerous and Park officials are very careful to keep people from being hurt. Aloha, Kitty Honolulu Advertiser, Monday, March 24, 3:24PM: Small splatters of molten lava were ejected from the new vent at Halema'uma'u Crater Sunday night, marking the first time lava has erupted from anywhere in the crater since 1982. Some particles were ejected with enough force to land on the rim of the crater, with the largest fragments of spatter or blobs of molten rock measuring about four inches across. Observers last night saw red-hot fragments scattering from the vent, and this morning geologists from the U.S. Geological Survey's Hawaiian Volcano Observatory reported finding the thin strands of volcanic glass known as "Pele's hair" along with the small bits of volcanic glass known as "Pele's tears" in the crater overlook area. Scientists said the gas at Halema'uma'u is now thick with ash, causing the plume from the 100-foot-wide vent to look dusty brown. Aviation agencies have been warned that the airborne ash may present a risk to tour flights and other aircraft in the area, scientists said. Previous eruptions at the crater included lava that flowed into the crater from fissure eruptions on its southwest rim in 1974 and 1971, and an 8-month eruption in Halema'uma'u in 1967 and 1968 that created a lake of lava that covered the entire crater floor. Scientists are continuing to monitor the activity. From nospam at orerockon.com Mon Mar 24 19:09:04 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon Mar 24 19:09:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] salmon creek WA In-Reply-To: <000801c88dbf$e59b76a0$9a49794c@hsd1.wa.comcast.net> References: <000801c88dbf$e59b76a0$9a49794c@hsd1.wa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200803250209.m2P29Hox008825@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Quite a few people from NARG have been there already. I prefer to wait until the water is much lower and the stream is wadable. I don't think it has significantly changed. The channel is so incised that it would take a Biblical sized flood to leave any major obstacles. At 08:01 AM 3/24/2008, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me if digging at salmon creek at this time of year >is possible, especially after the flooding in the area this winter. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon Mar 24 20:37:47 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 24 20:37:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> Message-ID: <47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> I hope you have also posted this on MinDat. Peter Sparks wrote: > > http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/1205966355214980 > .xml&storylist=topstories > > There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's CC Little > (geology) department and a number of specimens and gemstones were > stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and has released a list > of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being offered, and > there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the web. I've > included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded through the > Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. > > -- Peter Sparks > zebulon@isr.umich.edu > > "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The specimens > were stolen > from the display cases on the third floor of the building. The > only photos > that existed were old slides that have been digitized to produce > individual > photos of the samples of variable, but generally somewhat poor > quality. > The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a smithsonite > stalactite > approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos and other > information > about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP site at the > department. > Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself > (stefanoc@umich.edu), > Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa (mukasa@umich.edu) > or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala > (richardz@umich.edu)." > > Christopher J. Stefano > PhD Candidate > University of Michigan > Department of Geological Sciences > 1100 N. University Ave. > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 > 3017 Clarence Cook little building > 734-647-5533 > stefanoc@umich.edu > > Here's the list of items: > > Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 > Complaint #08-1064 > > Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine > Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico > Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c > Chrysoberyl .96c > Azurite & Malachite-Arizona > Malachite- Arizona > Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c > Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c > Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar > Golden Beryl > Aragonite inlaid jewel box > Corundum sapphire > Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c > Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c > Corundum white sapphire > Corundum sapphire > Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant > Feldspar Labradorite > Oligoclase aventurine sunstone > Oligoclase aventurine > Oligoclase moonstone > Fluorite > Fluorite 126.3c > Garnet Uvarovite .57c > Garnet, various cuts > Garnet necklace > Lepidolite > Lapis Lazuli > Hematite necklace > Agate paper knife > Wood altered to opal > Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada > Fire Opal 8.5c > Opal > Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock > Opal > Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC > Spodumene (kunzite) > Serpentine (Williamsite) > Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ > Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ > Sphalerite- SPAIN > Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia > Olivine 3.5c > Tourmaline 10.23c > Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c > Tourmaline > Topaz 7.6c > Topaz 39.7 > Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c > Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c > Spinel aquamarine > Cats eye pearl > Imitation pearls > Opercula of Turbo petheolatus > Cameo (carved shell) > Cameo (carved shell) > Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin > Opalized wood > Opalized wood > Pink Agate > Agate cut to eye > Agate cut to eye > Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, and two star shaped > cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were definitely in the > case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From cycadwood at aol.com Mon Mar 24 21:25:21 2008 From: cycadwood at aol.com (Frank Daniels) Date: Mon Mar 24 21:25:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones In-Reply-To: <47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> <47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com> Case solved. The moron took some of the minerals a few blocks way to a jewelry store to be appraised. Suspect arrested in U-M gem thefts Posted by Art Aisner | The Ann Arbor News March 24, 2008 15:26PM Categories: Crime . Previous story: Burglars hit U-M gem displays By ART AISNER The Ann Arbor News University of Michigan police say they arrested a suspect in the theft of dozens of semi-precious gems from displays on campus during two burglaries last week, and they didn't have to go far do solve the case. Michael Edward-Lopez Sherer, 27, was arraigned over the weekend on one count of breaking and entering and another count of receiving and concealing stolen property taken during burglaries at the C.C. Little Building on March 15 and 17. The Eastern Michigan University student was arrested Friday while attempting to have several pieces appraised at Abracadabra, a jewelry store and gem gallery on East Liberty Street, just blocks from U-M's Central Campus, said Lt. Robert Neumann. An employee, who earlier that morning received photos of the missing collection from a graduate student in the geology department, kept Sherer occupied long enough until police arrived. Officers recovered the gems from the store intact and believe they found all of the remaining 68 items during searches of Sherer's car and on-campus apartment at EMU, Neumann said. "A lot of hard work went into this but with a little luck that every case needs, we got a very gratifying outcome," Neumann said. Investigators also seized several knives, a violation of campus rules, and suspected drug residue in the residence that will be submitted for lab testing, said EMU Police Chief Greg O'Dell. Sherer, a Saline native, remains jailed on $100,000 bond to await an April 2 preliminary court hearing. The collection consists of crafted gems, uncut minerals and several small pieces, about an inch long or less, that is conservatively valued at at least $20,000 but is believed to be significantly higher, department officials said. Many were mined in the 1800s and were displayed by the department long before officials consolidated the collection for building renovations in 1995, said Robert Patterercq, department administrator. Patterer said the collection, pieced together over decades from around the globe, is a significant department symbol and has great sentimental value to faculty and staff. "The various items we have on display is what makes geology, geology," he said. "It's sort of what we're about, so there was a general sense of loss and violation." The department intends to share the collection with the public again, but officials will meet with police later this week to discuss security concerns and future displays. Steve and Katherine Lesse, owners of Abracadabra, said Sherer first came to the gallery with a gem a few days before the burglaries. About five days later he returned with dozens of items that he said belonged to his father and needed appraisals. Steve Lesse said he could not accurately appraise them on site but took them on consignment, intending to take them to a trade show in early April to determine their value. Sherer returned unexpectedly Friday morning saying he had a cash buyer and needed them back, Lesse said. It wasn't' until their employee matched the samples with the department that they realized they were stolen from U-M. "It sounded like a reasonable story, but he didn't think this out too well," Lesse said. "At least they got them back, because if we got that information a half-hour later, that would've been it. They'd be gone." Authorities issued a $1,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the burglaries. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:38 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones I hope you have also posted this on MinDat. Peter Sparks wrote: > > http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/1205966355214980 > .xml&storylist=topstories > > There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's CC Little > (geology) department and a number of specimens and gemstones were > stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and has released a list > of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being offered, and > there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the web. I've > included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded through the > Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. > > -- Peter Sparks > zebulon@isr.umich.edu > > "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The specimens > were stolen > from the display cases on the third floor of the building. The > only photos > that existed were old slides that have been digitized to produce > individual > photos of the samples of variable, but generally somewhat poor > quality. > The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a smithsonite > stalactite > approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos and other > information > about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP site at the > department. > Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself > (stefanoc@umich.edu), > Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa (mukasa@umich.edu) > or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala > (richardz@umich.edu)." > > Christopher J. Stefano > PhD Candidate > University of Michigan > Department of Geological Sciences > 1100 N. University Ave. > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 > 3017 Clarence Cook little building > 734-647-5533 > stefanoc@umich.edu > > Here's the list of items: > > Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 > Complaint #08-1064 > > Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine > Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico > Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c > Chrysoberyl .96c > Azurite & Malachite-Arizona > Malachite- Arizona > Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c > Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c > Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar > Golden Beryl > Aragonite inlaid jewel box > Corundum sapphire > Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c > Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c > Corundum white sapphire > Corundum sapphire > Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant > Feldspar Labradorite > Oligoclase aventurine sunstone > Oligoclase aventurine > Oligoclase moonstone > Fluorite > Fluorite 126.3c > Garnet Uvarovite .57c > Garnet, various cuts > Garnet necklace > Lepidolite > Lapis Lazuli > Hematite necklace > Agate paper knife > Wood altered to opal > Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada > Fire Opal 8.5c > Opal > Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock > Opal > Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC > Spodumene (kunzite) > Serpentine (Williamsite) > Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ > Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ > Sphalerite- SPAIN > Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia > Olivine 3.5c > Tourmaline 10.23c > Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c > Tourmaline > Topaz 7.6c > Topaz 39.7 > Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c > Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c > Spinel aquamarine > Cats eye pearl > Imitation pearls > Opercula of Turbo petheolatus > Cameo (carved shell) > Cameo (carved shell) > Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin > Opalized wood > Opalized wood > Pink Agate > Agate cut to eye > Agate cut to eye > Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, and two star shaped > cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were definitely in the > case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue Mar 25 03:30:57 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue Mar 25 03:31:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones In-Reply-To: <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com> References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu><47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com> Message-ID: <000701c88e63$4fdeb100$6701a8c0@AxelHP> At least this one didn't try to sell his stuff on the internet like Thad Roberts did with the Apollo moon samples. They are getting smarter but not by much... What frightens me most is that these guys are supposed to be "educated people" studying at university level. I wonder what a dumb criminal would do. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Frank Daniels > Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2008 5:25 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones > > > Case solved. The moron took some of the minerals a few blocks > way to a jewelry store to be appraised. > > Suspect arrested in U-M gem thefts > Posted by Art Aisner | The Ann Arbor News March 24, 2008 15:26PM > Categories: Crime > . Previous story: Burglars hit U-M gem displays > > By ART AISNER > The Ann Arbor News > > University of Michigan police say they arrested a suspect in > the theft of dozens of semi-precious gems from displays on > campus during two burglaries last week, and they didn't have > to go far do solve the case. > > Michael Edward-Lopez Sherer, 27, was arraigned over the > weekend on one count of breaking and entering and another > count of receiving and concealing stolen property taken > during burglaries at the C.C. Little Building on March > 15 and 17. > > The Eastern Michigan University student was arrested Friday > while attempting to have several pieces appraised at > Abracadabra, a jewelry store and gem gallery on East Liberty > Street, just blocks from U-M's Central Campus, said Lt. > Robert Neumann. > > An employee, who earlier that morning received photos of the > missing collection from a graduate student in the geology > department, kept Sherer occupied long enough until police arrived. > > Officers recovered the gems from the store intact and believe > they found all of the remaining 68 items during searches of > Sherer's car and on-campus apartment at EMU, Neumann said. > > > "A lot of hard work went into this but with a little luck > that every case needs, we got a very gratifying outcome," > Neumann said. > > Investigators also seized several knives, a violation of > campus rules, and suspected drug residue in the residence > that will be submitted for lab testing, said EMU Police Chief > Greg O'Dell. > > Sherer, a Saline native, remains jailed on $100,000 bond to > await an April 2 preliminary court hearing. > > The collection consists of crafted gems, uncut minerals and > several small pieces, about an inch long or less, that is > conservatively valued at at least $20,000 but is believed to > be significantly higher, department officials said. > > Many were mined in the 1800s and were displayed by the > department long before officials consolidated the collection > for building renovations in 1995, said Robert Patterercq, > department administrator. > > Patterer said the collection, pieced together over decades > from around the globe, is a significant department symbol and > has great sentimental value to faculty and staff. > > "The various items we have on display is what makes geology, > geology," he said. "It's sort of what we're about, so there > was a general sense of loss and violation." > > The department intends to share the collection with the > public again, but officials will meet with police later this > week to discuss security concerns and future displays. > Steve and Katherine Lesse, owners of Abracadabra, said Sherer > first came to the gallery with a gem a few days before the > burglaries. About five days later he returned with dozens of > items that he said belonged to his father and needed appraisals. > > Steve Lesse said he could not accurately appraise them on > site but took them on consignment, intending to take them to > a trade show in early April to determine their value. > > Sherer returned unexpectedly Friday morning saying he had a > cash buyer and needed them back, Lesse said. > > It wasn't' until their employee matched the samples with the > department that they realized they were stolen from U-M. > > "It sounded like a reasonable story, but he didn't think this > out too well," > Lesse said. "At least they got them back, because if we got > that information a half-hour later, that would've been it. > They'd be gone." > > Authorities issued a $1,000 reward for information leading to > an arrest and conviction in the burglaries. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Kreigh Tomaszewski > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:38 PM > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones > > I hope you have also posted this on MinDat. > > > Peter Sparks wrote: > > > > > http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/12059663552149 > > 80 > > .xml&storylist=topstories > > > > There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's > CC Little > > (geology) department and a number of specimens and gemstones were > > stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and has released a > > list of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being > offered, and > > there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the web. I've > > included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded > through the > > Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. > > > > -- Peter Sparks > > zebulon@isr.umich.edu > > > > "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The > specimens > > were stolen > > from the display cases on the third floor of the building. > > The only photos > > that existed were old slides that have been digitized to > > produce individual > > photos of the samples of variable, but generally > somewhat poor > > quality. > > The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a > > smithsonite stalactite > > approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos > and other > > information > > about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP site at the > > department. > > Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself > > (stefanoc@umich.edu), > > Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa > (mukasa@umich.edu) > > or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala > > (richardz@umich.edu)." > > > > Christopher J. Stefano > > PhD Candidate > > University of Michigan > > Department of Geological Sciences > > 1100 N. University Ave. > > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 > > 3017 Clarence Cook little building > > 734-647-5533 > > stefanoc@umich.edu > > > > Here's the list of items: > > > > Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 > Complaint #08-1064 > > > > Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine > > Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico > > Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c > > Chrysoberyl .96c > > Azurite & Malachite-Arizona > > Malachite- Arizona > > Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c > > Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c > > Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar > > Golden Beryl > > Aragonite inlaid jewel box > > Corundum sapphire > > Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c > > Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c > > Corundum white sapphire > > Corundum sapphire > > Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant > > Feldspar Labradorite > > Oligoclase aventurine sunstone > > Oligoclase aventurine > > Oligoclase moonstone > > Fluorite > > Fluorite 126.3c > > Garnet Uvarovite .57c > > Garnet, various cuts > > Garnet necklace > > Lepidolite > > Lapis Lazuli > > Hematite necklace > > Agate paper knife > > Wood altered to opal > > Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada > > Fire Opal 8.5c > > Opal > > Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock > > Opal > > Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC > > Spodumene (kunzite) > > Serpentine (Williamsite) > > Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ > > Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ > > Sphalerite- SPAIN > > Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia > > Olivine 3.5c > > Tourmaline 10.23c > > Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c > > Tourmaline > > Topaz 7.6c > > Topaz 39.7 > > Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c > > Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c > > Spinel aquamarine > > Cats eye pearl > > Imitation pearls > > Opercula of Turbo petheolatus > > Cameo (carved shell) > > Cameo (carved shell) > > Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin > > Opalized wood > > Opalized wood > > Pink Agate > > Agate cut to eye > > Agate cut to eye > > Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, and two star > > shaped > > cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were > definitely in > > the case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From zebulon at isr.umich.edu Tue Mar 25 04:37:06 2008 From: zebulon at isr.umich.edu (Peter Sparks) Date: Tue Mar 25 04:39:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones In-Reply-To: <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com> References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu><47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com> Message-ID: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA47@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> Fantastic! Thanks for the good news. I just heard about this driving into work this morning but no details. -- Peter PS - for all the times I've been on Mindat.org I never noticed the message board & other options. Hmmm ... time to explore. Thanks, Kreigh. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Frank Daniels Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:25 AM To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones Case solved. The moron took some of the minerals a few blocks way to a jewelry store to be appraised. Suspect arrested in U-M gem thefts Posted by Art Aisner | The Ann Arbor News March 24, 2008 15:26PM Categories: Crime . Previous story: Burglars hit U-M gem displays By ART AISNER The Ann Arbor News University of Michigan police say they arrested a suspect in the theft of dozens of semi-precious gems from displays on campus during two burglaries last week, and they didn't have to go far do solve the case. Michael Edward-Lopez Sherer, 27, was arraigned over the weekend on one count of breaking and entering and another count of receiving and concealing stolen property taken during burglaries at the C.C. Little Building on March 15 and 17. The Eastern Michigan University student was arrested Friday while attempting to have several pieces appraised at Abracadabra, a jewelry store and gem gallery on East Liberty Street, just blocks from U-M's Central Campus, said Lt. Robert Neumann. An employee, who earlier that morning received photos of the missing collection from a graduate student in the geology department, kept Sherer occupied long enough until police arrived. Officers recovered the gems from the store intact and believe they found all of the remaining 68 items during searches of Sherer's car and on-campus apartment at EMU, Neumann said. "A lot of hard work went into this but with a little luck that every case needs, we got a very gratifying outcome," Neumann said. Investigators also seized several knives, a violation of campus rules, and suspected drug residue in the residence that will be submitted for lab testing, said EMU Police Chief Greg O'Dell. Sherer, a Saline native, remains jailed on $100,000 bond to await an April 2 preliminary court hearing. The collection consists of crafted gems, uncut minerals and several small pieces, about an inch long or less, that is conservatively valued at at least $20,000 but is believed to be significantly higher, department officials said. Many were mined in the 1800s and were displayed by the department long before officials consolidated the collection for building renovations in 1995, said Robert Patterercq, department administrator. Patterer said the collection, pieced together over decades from around the globe, is a significant department symbol and has great sentimental value to faculty and staff. "The various items we have on display is what makes geology, geology," he said. "It's sort of what we're about, so there was a general sense of loss and violation." The department intends to share the collection with the public again, but officials will meet with police later this week to discuss security concerns and future displays. Steve and Katherine Lesse, owners of Abracadabra, said Sherer first came to the gallery with a gem a few days before the burglaries. About five days later he returned with dozens of items that he said belonged to his father and needed appraisals. Steve Lesse said he could not accurately appraise them on site but took them on consignment, intending to take them to a trade show in early April to determine their value. Sherer returned unexpectedly Friday morning saying he had a cash buyer and needed them back, Lesse said. It wasn't' until their employee matched the samples with the department that they realized they were stolen from U-M. "It sounded like a reasonable story, but he didn't think this out too well," Lesse said. "At least they got them back, because if we got that information a half-hour later, that would've been it. They'd be gone." Authorities issued a $1,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the burglaries. -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:38 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones I hope you have also posted this on MinDat. Peter Sparks wrote: > > http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/1205966355214980 > .xml&storylist=topstories > > There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's CC Little > (geology) department and a number of specimens and gemstones were > stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and has released a list > of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being offered, and > there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the web. I've > included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded through the > Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. > > -- Peter Sparks > zebulon@isr.umich.edu > > "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The specimens > were stolen > from the display cases on the third floor of the building. The > only photos > that existed were old slides that have been digitized to produce > individual > photos of the samples of variable, but generally somewhat poor > quality. > The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a smithsonite > stalactite > approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos and other > information > about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP site at the > department. > Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself > (stefanoc@umich.edu), > Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa (mukasa@umich.edu) > or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala > (richardz@umich.edu)." > > Christopher J. Stefano > PhD Candidate > University of Michigan > Department of Geological Sciences > 1100 N. University Ave. > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 > 3017 Clarence Cook little building > 734-647-5533 > stefanoc@umich.edu > > Here's the list of items: > > Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 > Complaint #08-1064 > > Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine > Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico > Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c > Chrysoberyl .96c > Azurite & Malachite-Arizona > Malachite- Arizona > Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c > Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c > Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar > Golden Beryl > Aragonite inlaid jewel box > Corundum sapphire > Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c > Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c > Corundum white sapphire > Corundum sapphire > Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant > Feldspar Labradorite > Oligoclase aventurine sunstone > Oligoclase aventurine > Oligoclase moonstone > Fluorite > Fluorite 126.3c > Garnet Uvarovite .57c > Garnet, various cuts > Garnet necklace > Lepidolite > Lapis Lazuli > Hematite necklace > Agate paper knife > Wood altered to opal > Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada > Fire Opal 8.5c > Opal > Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock > Opal > Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC > Spodumene (kunzite) > Serpentine (Williamsite) > Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ > Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ > Sphalerite- SPAIN > Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia > Olivine 3.5c > Tourmaline 10.23c > Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c > Tourmaline > Topaz 7.6c > Topaz 39.7 > Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c > Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c > Spinel aquamarine > Cats eye pearl > Imitation pearls > Opercula of Turbo petheolatus > Cameo (carved shell) > Cameo (carved shell) > Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin > Opalized wood > Opalized wood > Pink Agate > Agate cut to eye > Agate cut to eye > Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, and two star shaped > cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were definitely in the > case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue Mar 25 19:55:21 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue Mar 25 19:58:06 2008 Subject: OT: Dumb criminals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones} References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu><47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com> <000701c88e63$4fdeb100$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47E9BB0F.5BDE@Tomaszewski.net> Axel Emmermann wrote: > I wonder what a dumb criminal would do. Axel, Check out the annual Darwin Awards if you want to find out what dumb criminals do to remove themselves from the gene pool. http://www.darwinawards.com I don't think there was a criminal one this year, but many past years have featured them. Search on 'criminal' to find most of them; I found 17, and that is a lot of Darwin Awards. Be careful what you ask for, the list may answer. Kreigh Axel Emmermann wrote: > > At least this one didn't try to sell his stuff on the internet like Thad > Roberts did with the Apollo moon samples. > They are getting smarter but not by much... > > What frightens me most is that these guys are supposed to be "educated > people" studying at university level. I wonder what a dumb criminal would > do. > > Axel > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Frank Daniels > > Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2008 5:25 > > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > collectors' > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones > > > > > > Case solved. The moron took some of the minerals a few blocks > > way to a jewelry store to be appraised. > > > > Suspect arrested in U-M gem thefts > > Posted by Art Aisner | The Ann Arbor News March 24, 2008 15:26PM > > Categories: Crime > > . Previous story: Burglars hit U-M gem displays > > > > By ART AISNER > > The Ann Arbor News > > > > University of Michigan police say they arrested a suspect in > > the theft of dozens of semi-precious gems from displays on > > campus during two burglaries last week, and they didn't have > > to go far do solve the case. > > > > Michael Edward-Lopez Sherer, 27, was arraigned over the > > weekend on one count of breaking and entering and another > > count of receiving and concealing stolen property taken > > during burglaries at the C.C. Little Building on March > > 15 and 17. > > > > The Eastern Michigan University student was arrested Friday > > while attempting to have several pieces appraised at > > Abracadabra, a jewelry store and gem gallery on East Liberty > > Street, just blocks from U-M's Central Campus, said Lt. > > Robert Neumann. > > > > An employee, who earlier that morning received photos of the > > missing collection from a graduate student in the geology > > department, kept Sherer occupied long enough until police arrived. > > > > Officers recovered the gems from the store intact and believe > > they found all of the remaining 68 items during searches of > > Sherer's car and on-campus apartment at EMU, Neumann said. > > > > > > "A lot of hard work went into this but with a little luck > > that every case needs, we got a very gratifying outcome," > > Neumann said. > > > > Investigators also seized several knives, a violation of > > campus rules, and suspected drug residue in the residence > > that will be submitted for lab testing, said EMU Police Chief > > Greg O'Dell. > > > > Sherer, a Saline native, remains jailed on $100,000 bond to > > await an April 2 preliminary court hearing. > > > > The collection consists of crafted gems, uncut minerals and > > several small pieces, about an inch long or less, that is > > conservatively valued at at least $20,000 but is believed to > > be significantly higher, department officials said. > > > > Many were mined in the 1800s and were displayed by the > > department long before officials consolidated the collection > > for building renovations in 1995, said Robert Patterercq, > > department administrator. > > > > Patterer said the collection, pieced together over decades > > from around the globe, is a significant department symbol and > > has great sentimental value to faculty and staff. > > > > "The various items we have on display is what makes geology, > > geology," he said. "It's sort of what we're about, so there > > was a general sense of loss and violation." > > > > The department intends to share the collection with the > > public again, but officials will meet with police later this > > week to discuss security concerns and future displays. > > Steve and Katherine Lesse, owners of Abracadabra, said Sherer > > first came to the gallery with a gem a few days before the > > burglaries. About five days later he returned with dozens of > > items that he said belonged to his father and needed appraisals. > > > > Steve Lesse said he could not accurately appraise them on > > site but took them on consignment, intending to take them to > > a trade show in early April to determine their value. > > > > Sherer returned unexpectedly Friday morning saying he had a > > cash buyer and needed them back, Lesse said. > > > > It wasn't' until their employee matched the samples with the > > department that they realized they were stolen from U-M. > > > > "It sounded like a reasonable story, but he didn't think this > > out too well," > > Lesse said. "At least they got them back, because if we got > > that information a half-hour later, that would've been it. > > They'd be gone." > > > > Authorities issued a $1,000 reward for information leading to > > an arrest and conviction in the burglaries. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Kreigh Tomaszewski > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:38 PM > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones > > > > I hope you have also posted this on MinDat. > > > > > > Peter Sparks wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/12059663552149 > > > 80 > > > .xml&storylist=topstories > > > > > > There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's > > CC Little > > > (geology) department and a number of specimens and gemstones were > > > stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and has released a > > > list of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being > > offered, and > > > there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the web. I've > > > included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded > > through the > > > Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. > > > > > > -- Peter Sparks > > > zebulon@isr.umich.edu > > > > > > "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The > > specimens > > > were stolen > > > from the display cases on the third floor of the building. > > > The only photos > > > that existed were old slides that have been digitized to > > > produce individual > > > photos of the samples of variable, but generally > > somewhat poor > > > quality. > > > The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a > > > smithsonite stalactite > > > approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos > > and other > > > information > > > about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP site at the > > > department. > > > Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself > > > (stefanoc@umich.edu), > > > Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa > > (mukasa@umich.edu) > > > or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala > > > (richardz@umich.edu)." > > > > > > Christopher J. Stefano > > > PhD Candidate > > > University of Michigan > > > Department of Geological Sciences > > > 1100 N. University Ave. > > > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 > > > 3017 Clarence Cook little building > > > 734-647-5533 > > > stefanoc@umich.edu > > > > > > Here's the list of items: > > > > > > Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 > > Complaint #08-1064 > > > > > > Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine > > > Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico > > > Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c > > > Chrysoberyl .96c > > > Azurite & Malachite-Arizona > > > Malachite- Arizona > > > Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c > > > Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c > > > Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar > > > Golden Beryl > > > Aragonite inlaid jewel box > > > Corundum sapphire > > > Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c > > > Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c > > > Corundum white sapphire > > > Corundum sapphire > > > Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant > > > Feldspar Labradorite > > > Oligoclase aventurine sunstone > > > Oligoclase aventurine > > > Oligoclase moonstone > > > Fluorite > > > Fluorite 126.3c > > > Garnet Uvarovite .57c > > > Garnet, various cuts > > > Garnet necklace > > > Lepidolite > > > Lapis Lazuli > > > Hematite necklace > > > Agate paper knife > > > Wood altered to opal > > > Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada > > > Fire Opal 8.5c > > > Opal > > > Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock > > > Opal > > > Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC > > > Spodumene (kunzite) > > > Serpentine (Williamsite) > > > Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ > > > Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ > > > Sphalerite- SPAIN > > > Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia > > > Olivine 3.5c > > > Tourmaline 10.23c > > > Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c > > > Tourmaline > > > Topaz 7.6c > > > Topaz 39.7 > > > Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c > > > Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c > > > Spinel aquamarine > > > Cats eye pearl > > > Imitation pearls > > > Opercula of Turbo petheolatus > > > Cameo (carved shell) > > > Cameo (carved shell) > > > Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin > > > Opalized wood > > > Opalized wood > > > Pink Agate > > > Agate cut to eye > > > Agate cut to eye > > > Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, and two star > > > shaped > > > cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were > > definitely in > > > the case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Thejunkman88 at aol.com Tue Mar 25 23:05:44 2008 From: Thejunkman88 at aol.com (Thejunkman88@aol.com) Date: Tue Mar 25 23:05:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks Message-ID: I have a 18" Highland Park saw that I inherited and was wondering if it would be OK to cut brick paving stones with it. If so what would I use to cool the blade? Thanks, Fred **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 06:26:58 2008 From: brenick at gmail.com (Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Wed Mar 26 06:27:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Amber In-Reply-To: <542385.97327.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <96054739-FD6C-4E98-8BE8-CAC336B5FC54@cox.net> <542385.97327.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97175ae90803260626t528f8b39y802ebf45c74686a@mail.gmail.com> too funny Brenda On 3/22/08, Flint Smith wrote: > > Just keep saying (through gritted teeth) "amber is a color, amber is a > color, amber is a color" and your head won't explode. > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed Mar 26 12:01:21 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed Mar 26 12:01:22 2008 Subject: Dumb criminals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University ofMichigan Gemstones} In-Reply-To: <47E9BB0F.5BDE@Tomaszewski.net> References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu><47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com><000701c88e63$4fdeb100$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47E9BB0F.5BDE@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002901c88f73$c7bfdcb0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Kreigh, Lovely link ;-))) You may want to enter "minerals" an click search. I had a similar experience in chem class... The difference in making 0.5 grams of methyliodite tear gas and making 500 grams on open day at school is a big bang, 200+ weeping parents and an evacuated school building. The teacher corps was simultaneously slightly foaming at the mouth and weeping which resulted in a snotty and quite unappealing sight. My lab-partner had the brilliant insight to make some of the stuff for demonstrative purpose and put some aside for future pranks. I kept my distance once I knew that he planned to multiply the amounts of the recipe by 1.000. ;-))) Cheers Axel PS: on the bus ride home, all the passengers had tears in their eyes... It stuck in my cloths big time > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2008 3:55 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: OT: Dumb criminals {was: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen > University ofMichigan Gemstones} > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > I wonder what a dumb criminal would do. > > > > Axel, > > Check out the annual Darwin Awards if you want to find out > what dumb criminals do to remove themselves from the gene pool. > > http://www.darwinawards.com > > I don't think there was a criminal one this year, but many > past years have featured them. Search on 'criminal' to find > most of them; I found 17, and that is a lot of Darwin Awards. > > Be careful what you ask for, the list may answer. > > Kreigh > > > > > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > > > At least this one didn't try to sell his stuff on the internet like > > Thad Roberts did with the Apollo moon samples. > > They are getting smarter but not by much... > > > > What frightens me most is that these guys are supposed to > be "educated > > people" studying at university level. I wonder what a dumb criminal > > would do. > > > > Axel > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Frank Daniels > > > Verzonden: dinsdag 25 maart 2008 5:25 > > > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors' > > > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan > Gemstones > > > > > > > > > Case solved. The moron took some of the minerals a few > blocks way to > > > a jewelry store to be appraised. > > > > > > Suspect arrested in U-M gem thefts > > > Posted by Art Aisner | The Ann Arbor News March 24, 2008 15:26PM > > > Categories: Crime > > > . Previous story: Burglars hit U-M gem displays > > > > > > By ART AISNER > > > The Ann Arbor News > > > > > > University of Michigan police say they arrested a suspect in the > > > theft of dozens of semi-precious gems from displays on > campus during > > > two burglaries last week, and they didn't have to go far do solve > > > the case. > > > > > > Michael Edward-Lopez Sherer, 27, was arraigned over the > weekend on > > > one count of breaking and entering and another count of receiving > > > and concealing stolen property taken during burglaries at > the C.C. > > > Little Building on March > > > 15 and 17. > > > > > > The Eastern Michigan University student was arrested Friday while > > > attempting to have several pieces appraised at Abracadabra, a > > > jewelry store and gem gallery on East Liberty Street, just blocks > > > from U-M's Central Campus, said Lt. > > > Robert Neumann. > > > > > > An employee, who earlier that morning received photos of > the missing > > > collection from a graduate student in the geology > department, kept > > > Sherer occupied long enough until police arrived. > > > > > > Officers recovered the gems from the store intact and > believe they > > > found all of the remaining 68 items during searches of > Sherer's car > > > and on-campus apartment at EMU, Neumann said. > > > > > > > > > "A lot of hard work went into this but with a little luck > that every > > > case needs, we got a very gratifying outcome," > > > Neumann said. > > > > > > Investigators also seized several knives, a violation of campus > > > rules, and suspected drug residue in the residence that will be > > > submitted for lab testing, said EMU Police Chief Greg O'Dell. > > > > > > Sherer, a Saline native, remains jailed on $100,000 bond > to await an > > > April 2 preliminary court hearing. > > > > > > The collection consists of crafted gems, uncut minerals > and several > > > small pieces, about an inch long or less, that is conservatively > > > valued at at least $20,000 but is believed to be significantly > > > higher, department officials said. > > > > > > Many were mined in the 1800s and were displayed by the department > > > long before officials consolidated the collection for building > > > renovations in 1995, said Robert Patterercq, department > > > administrator. > > > > > > Patterer said the collection, pieced together over decades from > > > around the globe, is a significant department symbol and > has great > > > sentimental value to faculty and staff. > > > > > > "The various items we have on display is what makes geology, > > > geology," he said. "It's sort of what we're about, so there was a > > > general sense of loss and violation." > > > > > > The department intends to share the collection with the public > > > again, but officials will meet with police later this week to > > > discuss security concerns and future displays. > > > Steve and Katherine Lesse, owners of Abracadabra, said > Sherer first > > > came to the gallery with a gem a few days before the burglaries. > > > About five days later he returned with dozens of items > that he said > > > belonged to his father and needed appraisals. > > > > > > Steve Lesse said he could not accurately appraise them on > site but > > > took them on consignment, intending to take them to a > trade show in > > > early April to determine their value. > > > > > > Sherer returned unexpectedly Friday morning saying he had a cash > > > buyer and needed them back, Lesse said. > > > > > > It wasn't' until their employee matched the samples with the > > > department that they realized they were stolen from U-M. > > > > > > "It sounded like a reasonable story, but he didn't think this out > > > too well," > > > Lesse said. "At least they got them back, because if we got that > > > information a half-hour later, that would've been it. > > > They'd be gone." > > > > > > Authorities issued a $1,000 reward for information leading to an > > > arrest and conviction in the burglaries. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh > > > Tomaszewski > > > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:38 PM > > > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > > > collectors > > > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Stolen University of Michigan Gemstones > > > > > > I hope you have also posted this on MinDat. > > > > > > > > > Peter Sparks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mlive.com/ap/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-51/120596635521 > > > 49 > > > > 80 > > > > .xml&storylist=topstories > > > > > > > > There was a recent break in at the University of Michigan's > > > CC Little > > > > (geology) department and a number of specimens and > gemstones were > > > > stolen. Christ Stefano works in that department and > has released > > > > a list of the items stolen. There is a $1,000 reward being > > > offered, and > > > > there's probably a more complete story somewhere on the > web. I've > > > > included a recent email that Chris sent and was forwarded > > > through the > > > > Michigan's Midwest Federation's state director, Alan Hukill. > > > > > > > > -- Peter Sparks > > > > zebulon@isr.umich.edu > > > > > > > > "Thanks a lot for helping me spread the word. The > > > specimens > > > > were stolen > > > > from the display cases on the third floor of > the building. > > > > The only photos > > > > that existed were old slides that have been > digitized to > > > > produce individual > > > > photos of the samples of variable, but generally > > > somewhat poor > > > > quality. > > > > The most notable and identifiable piece stolen was a > > > > smithsonite stalactite > > > > approximately 9 inches long from Sardinia. Photos > > > and other > > > > information > > > > about the theft will be posted soon on an FTP > site at the > > > > department. > > > > Anyone with pertinent information should contact myself > > > > (stefanoc@umich.edu), > > > > Rod Ewing (rodewing@umich.edu), Sam Mukasa > > > (mukasa@umich.edu) > > > > or the detective working on the case Richard Zavala > > > > (richardz@umich.edu)." > > > > > > > > Christopher J. Stefano > > > > PhD Candidate > > > > University of Michigan > > > > Department of Geological Sciences > > > > 1100 N. University Ave. > > > > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1005 > > > > 3017 Clarence Cook little building > > > > 734-647-5533 > > > > stefanoc@umich.edu > > > > > > > > Here's the list of items: > > > > > > > > Specimens Stolen From C.C. Little 3/15 & 3/16, 2008 > > > Complaint #08-1064 > > > > > > > > Apatite cut stone & crystal .778c- Pulsifer, Maine > > > > Apatite cut stone & crystal- Durango, Mexico > > > > Cordierite (iolite) .87 % 5.18c > > > > Chrysoberyl .96c > > > > Azurite & Malachite-Arizona > > > > Malachite- Arizona > > > > Beryl Aquamarine 7.71c > > > > Beryl Aquamarine 8.89c > > > > Beryl Aquamarine- Madagascar > > > > Golden Beryl > > > > Aragonite inlaid jewel box > > > > Corundum sapphire > > > > Corundum blue sapphire 4.32 & 1.08c > > > > Corundum pink sapphire 3.8c > > > > Corundum white sapphire > > > > Corundum sapphire > > > > Microcline feldspar amazonite pendant > > > > Feldspar Labradorite > > > > Oligoclase aventurine sunstone > > > > Oligoclase aventurine > > > > Oligoclase moonstone > > > > Fluorite > > > > Fluorite 126.3c > > > > Garnet Uvarovite .57c > > > > Garnet, various cuts > > > > Garnet necklace > > > > Lepidolite > > > > Lapis Lazuli > > > > Hematite necklace > > > > Agate paper knife > > > > Wood altered to opal > > > > Opal- one of these was from Virgin Valley, Nevada > > > > Fire Opal 8.5c > > > > Opal > > > > Opal in Vesicle of volcanic rock > > > > Opal > > > > Spodumene (hiddenite) .404 & 695c- Hiddenite, NC > > > > Spodumene (kunzite) > > > > Serpentine (Williamsite) > > > > Rhodonite- Franklin, NJ > > > > Rhocochrosite- Franklin, NJ > > > > Sphalerite- SPAIN > > > > Smithsonite- Masua, Sardinia > > > > Olivine 3.5c > > > > Tourmaline 10.23c > > > > Tourmaline 2.03 & 2.44c > > > > Tourmaline > > > > Topaz 7.6c > > > > Topaz 39.7 > > > > Topaz 1.83 & 1.67c > > > > Topaz pink 1.5 & 1.13c > > > > Spinel aquamarine > > > > Cats eye pearl > > > > Imitation pearls > > > > Opercula of Turbo petheolatus > > > > Cameo (carved shell) > > > > Cameo (carved shell) > > > > Amber w/inclusions, fossil resin > > > > Opalized wood > > > > Opalized wood > > > > Pink Agate > > > > Agate cut to eye > > > > Agate cut to eye > > > > Various Quartz gemstones (smoky, clear, citrine, > and two star > > > > shaped > > > > cuts)- These were on the original list, but they were > > > definitely in > > > > the case by my memory and as best as I can figure are gone now. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > > Subscription Services: > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Wed Mar 26 12:24:54 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 26 12:24:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Dumb criminals OT In-Reply-To: <002901c88f73$c7bfdcb0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu><47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com><000701c88e63$4fdeb100$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47E9BB0F.5BDE@Tomaszewski.net> <002901c88f73$c7bfdcb0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47EAA306.3000708@hawaiiantel.net> On the TV news this morning was a story that's too stupid to be true, but apparently it is: A man walked into a business (I think it was a car-wash) with a gun and demanded money. The clerk said the vault was locked and only the manager could open it, and the manager wasn't there; he would return in about a half hour. So the criminal gave the clerk his cell phone number and told the clerk to call when the manager arrived. Aloha, Kitty Axel Emmermann wrote: > Hi Kreigh, > > Lovely link ;-))) > You may want to enter "minerals" an click search. > I had a similar experience in chem class... The difference in making 0.5 > grams of methyliodite tear gas and making 500 grams on open day at school is > a big bang, 200+ weeping parents and an evacuated school building. The > teacher corps was simultaneously slightly foaming at the mouth and weeping > which resulted in a snotty and quite unappealing sight. > My lab-partner had the brilliant insight to make some of the stuff for > demonstrative purpose and put some aside for future pranks. I kept my > distance once I knew that he planned to multiply the amounts of the recipe > by 1.000. ;-))) > > Cheers > Axel > > PS: on the bus ride home, all the passengers had tears in their eyes... It > stuck in my cloths big time > From rhill at lpl.arizona.edu Wed Mar 26 14:33:23 2008 From: rhill at lpl.arizona.edu (Rik Hill) Date: Wed Mar 26 14:39:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Dumb criminals OT In-Reply-To: <47EAA306.3000708@hawaiiantel.net> References: <6F651C1505A4A048923BCF2D756A7E49022BAA3D@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu><47E8737E.58C4@Tomaszewski.net> <00ca01c88e30$3e0f8cc0$ba2ea640$@com><000701c88e63$4fdeb100$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47E9BB0F.5BDE@Tomaszewski.net> <002901c88f73$c7bfdcb0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47EAA306.3000708@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <47EAC123.8070602@lpl.arizona.edu> Full story at: http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/1882912.php -Rik Kitty & Bill Heacox wrote: > On the TV news this morning was a story that's too stupid to be true, > but apparently it is: A man walked into a business (I think it was a > car-wash) with a gun and demanded money. The clerk said the vault was > locked and only the manager could open it, and the manager wasn't > there; he would return in about a half hour. So the criminal gave > the clerk his cell phone number and told the clerk to call when the > manager arrived. > Aloha, Kitty > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Wed Mar 26 14:51:27 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Wed Mar 26 14:51:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> <47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <47EAC55F.8020300@hawaiiantel.net> Here's a picture taken in November 2003 in Pu'u O'o crater; it's obviously different from the Pravda one, but also very similar http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/archive/2003/Nov/20031126-0027_DAS_large.jpg Aloha, Kitty Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Axel, > > I think you have solved the mystery. I found several images online from > that eruption that were close enough to convince me. > > I have no doubts to your memory; seeing an erupting volcano is an > unforgettable experience. > > I just hope you were not too awe struck to take pictures to share. > > Kreigh > Axel Emmermann wrote: This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the Bocca Nuova crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy. From smtravis at plateautel.net Wed Mar 26 17:04:16 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Wed Mar 26 17:04:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks References: Message-ID: <00c201c88f9e$19335b60$d59f324a@marilyn> You should use light cutting oil or maybe kerosene it will take severaal gallons and the brick/block will sharpen your blade. If you use water it will rust your saw and that is the cadilac of saws probably worth between 800 and 1500 if the blade and works are good. there was a long thread about types of oil I only recommend kerosene cause it is cheap and dosent sound like you are wanting to cut rock ie agate etc with it Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks >I have a 18" Highland Park saw that I inherited and was wondering if it > would be OK to cut brick paving stones with it. If so what would I use > to cool > the blade? Thanks, Fred > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed Mar 26 18:18:34 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed Mar 26 18:15:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks References: Message-ID: <47EAF514.F28@Tomaszewski.net> Fred, Use mineral oil and cut away, but protect against breathing the mist. Kreigh Thejunkman88@aol.com wrote: > > I have a 18" Highland Park saw that I inherited and was wondering if it > would be OK to cut brick paving stones with it. If so what would I use to cool > the blade? Thanks, Fred > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed Mar 26 19:10:09 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Wed Mar 26 19:10:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks In-Reply-To: <47EAF514.F28@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47EAF514.F28@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000f01c88faf$aee6a8e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> I don't know guys. I think bricks are very porous and would sop up mineral oil or kerosene then weep it for years. Lubricant/coolant used for cutting brick lubricant should be water. Truth be told, yeah, the 18" saw could be used to cut brick. But as pointed out earlier, water is not good for your saw. Easiest way to deal with this is to rent a tile saw or brick cutter at your local big box store or rental facility. Or if your worried about a job that takes days, shell out the couple of hundred for one and resell it when you're done; you should get most of your money back. Plus they cut brick quicker than a rock saw (coarser grit). The simplest way is to read up on cutting brick and use chisels and a hammer. It is surprisingly quick and easy. Yeah, you break a few, everyone does. Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kreigh Tomaszewski Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:19 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks Fred, Use mineral oil and cut away, but protect against breathing the mist. Kreigh Thejunkman88@aol.com wrote: > > I have a 18" Highland Park saw that I inherited and was wondering if it > would be OK to cut brick paving stones with it. If so what would I use to cool > the blade? Thanks, Fred > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom0 0030000000001) > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu Mar 27 03:54:10 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu Mar 27 03:55:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World In-Reply-To: <47EAC55F.8020300@hawaiiantel.net> References: <47E560B6.5236@Tomaszewski.net><8CA5A830AAED080-1008-35EC@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <001701c88cdb$00960fa0$6701a8c0@AxelHP><47E710AD.6866@Tomaszewski.net> <47EAC55F.8020300@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <000601c88ff8$e3661a80$6701a8c0@AxelHP> The problem is that volcanoes change so rapidly... Going back to a volcanic site may play tricks on the confidence that you have in your memory. There was an eruption going on when we were in Sicily. To avert a lava flow that was threatening villages and could even have reached Catania eventually, the government reacted quite cleverly. The side wall of the valley in which the flow was running was dynamited. Then thousands of cubic meters of cold water were used to cool the front of the flow to plug the valley that it was in. The flow would thus be directed in a valley that had no exit that pointed towards inhabited areas. This valley , "Valle del bove" (Valley of the oxen?), was filled up for the greater part with an enormous volume of lava. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mount-etna-valle-del-bove/3476863295 The video shows a shallow valley with a rather flat bottom. In 1984 this was a much deeper V-shaped valley. I'm not sure but I estimate that the present level is a good 100 meters above the original level. Wild guess, of course, and my memory of it may have faded over the past 25 years. This photo http://www.caimessina.it/Riferimenti/REPORTAGESfiles/REPORTAGE03/pagine/P101 0002.htm give a dramatic impression of the mind-boggling volumes of lava that were diverted into this valley (also during later eruptions). We walked over a 10 meters wide lava flow that was still hot. You could see the orange flow between the broken solidified rubble that formed on it. It was still moving too albeit slowly with a strange tinkling sound, almost like it was made of glass. The guide had warned us to wear solid rubber tracking shoes, not sportswear. Still my wife and I and two others (out of a party of 20) were smart enough to listen to his advice. We made it across while the light-footed crowd was left behind whining and swearing ;-))) Even with thick vulcanized rubber soles it wasn't really a walk in the park. The heat was REALLY intense, so intense that we had to keep running even when we were already across. You had to keep at least 5 meters between yourself an the flow to be comfortable for a longer time. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kitty & > Bill Heacox > Verzonden: woensdag 26 maart 2008 22:51 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] The Most Beautiful Volcanoes In The World > > Here's a picture taken in November 2003 in Pu'u O'o crater; > it's obviously different from the Pravda one, but also very similar > > http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/kilauea/update/archive/2003/Nov/2003112 > 6-0027_DAS_large.jpg > > Aloha, Kitty > > Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > > Axel, > > > > I think you have solved the mystery. I found several images online > > from that eruption that were close enough to convince me. > > > > I have no doubts to your memory; seeing an erupting volcano is an > > unforgettable experience. > > > > I just hope you were not too awe struck to take pictures to share. > > > > Kreigh > > > Axel Emmermann wrote: > > This photo of "Yellowstone Volcano" looks VERY much like the > Bocca Nuova crater of Mount Etna on Sicily, Italy. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From mineral.maertens at att.net Thu Mar 27 06:03:00 2008 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan) Date: Thu Mar 27 06:03:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: highland park saw to cut bricks Message-ID: <032720081303.9541.47EB9B04000134A20000254522230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> I use the big saw (24") to cut about any rock ... with water in the basin. Additive I add is Raycool Water Additive. Not sure if it makes a difference, yet does no harm. Adding anything else makes the cut rock/mineral fluorescent and is impossible to get out. It contains wetting agents and corrosion inhibitors I drain the water after use to one inch under the saw and leave the cover open to dry the cradle. Drain completely every two months or more frequently after heavy use. I added a fountain pump to pour water over the blade during the cutting. The drive is grease with water resistant Li grease. Little or no rust after 10 years. Blade (notched - diamond) is 8 years and still going strong. With good care, your saw should be OK. Alternative: use a cheap $100 (big brand store - China made) tiles saw to cut a notch and cleave the bricks with a mason flat chisel. Good luck and share with the group how you made out. -- Johan Maertens From rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com Thu Mar 27 09:11:35 2008 From: rockhounds at lists.drizzle.com (rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:24:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Discount. Coupon #bhtvu Message-ID: <20080327101138.6876.qmail@celica> Announcement about anti-ED drugs. Dear rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, Visit our new online chemist's and save upto 85% on all popular Ed treatments. http://www.google.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=lrtvm&num=41932&adurl=http://qbe.servethrough.com From ajs at frii.com Thu Mar 27 09:15:51 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:27:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks In-Reply-To: <000f01c88faf$aee6a8e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <20080327161551.E93751CC42@io.frii.com> > ...water is not good for your saw. Like everything, "it depends." In my occasionally-used Tagit 10" dropsaw, I use water with a lubricating agent bought by the gallon (rarely), I forget what it is, and a Pro-Slicer blade that I think is design to work OK with water. And certainly it does. Maybe it shortens the blade life, but not enough to care. Of course it's not an enclosed system where humidity would rust anything. The fluid sits in a plastic reservoir below an aluminum cutting deck, and doesn't evaporate fast either. I prop up the blade a little when not in use so it's not sitting within the deck slot. It dries out quickly. As a result, while cutting is still messy, cleanup is easy, both me and the rocks. Alan Silverstein From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu Mar 27 09:36:56 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:38:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] RE: Discount. Coupon #bhtvu References: <20080327101138.6876.qmail@celica> Message-ID: <002c01c89028$cf26feb0$0200a8c0@Notebook> List, We're not sure how this got through the Spam filter. We're working on it. No flames please. John Siebel Admin Team From nospam at orerockon.com Thu Mar 27 09:41:56 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu Mar 27 09:42:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks In-Reply-To: <00c201c88f9e$19335b60$d59f324a@marilyn> References: <00c201c88f9e$19335b60$d59f324a@marilyn> Message-ID: <200803271642.m2RGg22B002609@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Use kerosene if you want flammable bricks. If you don't particularly want to smell it for years, or have them catch on fire, I would suggest using a water lubricated saw designed for this purpose. You can also get dry cutting blades for your circular saw that will do a bangup job on bricks. I really don't think it is necessary to rent a saw for that job. My dry blade can cut concrete (albeit slowly and dustily). Highland Parks were not designed to be used with water, with or without a rust inhibitor, so if you put water in it, you are taking a rather large risk (a risk that I wouldn't take with such a nice saw). P.S. I wouldn't use kerosene for anything. I mean come on, it's jetboat fuel for chrissakes. At 05:04 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: >You should use light cutting oil or maybe kerosene it will take >severaal gallons and the brick/block will sharpen your blade. If >you use water it will rust your saw and that is the cadilac of >saws probably worth between 800 and 1500 if the blade and works are >good. there was a long thread about types of oil I only recommend >kerosene cause it is cheap and dosent sound like you are wanting to >cut rock ie agate etc with it Steve >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:05 PM >Subject: [Rockhounds] highland park saw to cut bricks > > >>I have a 18" Highland Park saw that I inherited and was wondering if it >>would be OK to cut brick paving stones with it. If so what would >>I use to cool >>the blade? Thanks, Fred Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From therockhunter at hotmail.com Thu Mar 27 10:29:50 2008 From: therockhunter at hotmail.com (B & B) Date: Thu Mar 27 10:29:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals Message-ID: Hello Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of thanks for all your help Betty _________________________________________________________________ This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Thu Mar 27 16:46:11 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Thu Mar 27 16:51:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic Rocks and Precautions Message-ID: <001901c89064$bd338a20$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> It depends on the mode (inhaling, ingestion or skin absorption) and length of exposure. Silca dust is not "toxic" if swallowed, but if inhaled frequently can cause lung problems since much of it it stays in the lungs (silicosis). Some substances are absorbed through the skin in amounts sufficient to be toxic, but picking a mineral out of an oxalic acid solution now and then, and afterward washing your hands is, in my opinion OK, but I wouldn't have my hands in it for any length of time. I always have a bucket of clean water nearby when working with acids or toxic chemicals to rinse my hands or, worst case, to flood my eyes in case of a splash. Should be wearing safety glasses :-) Malachite dust is toxic if inhaled often enough and in some quantity, such as if you're making an elaborate carving rather than just making a cabochon or two. For comparison, putting 5 milligrams of malachite dust in a glass of water and drinking it would likely do no harm. Our bodies need a tiny amount of copper to utilise iron to make hemoglobin. As Nobelist Dr. Bruce Ames said, "the dose makes the poison". Which consists of two factors: The concentration, and the duration of exposure, both of which determine how much actually gets inside your body. Applies to radioactive minerals too. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu Mar 27 19:58:21 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu Mar 27 19:55:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals References: Message-ID: <47EC5DFA.3750@Tomaszewski.net> Betty, If you are cutting rocks and making dust (or mist) you need to take precautions. Stuff you inhale tends to be cumulative and can be very nasty. Look at the chemical formula of the minerals you are cutting. Some elements (mercury and arsenic for a couple examples) are much more dangerous than others, as are some combinations of elements (copper containing molecules as an example). Some minerals are relatively safe to touch, but you don't want to ingest them. Others may be absorbed thru the skin. You need to think like a chemist. You need to worry about how toxic each chemical is, how much you might encounter (the dose), and the way you are exposed (inhalation, ingestion, contact). Doses can be cumulative, especially for radioactives, heavy metals, and inhaled anything. You are generally safe taking reasonable precautions against inhalation with most common rocks and minerals, minimizing contact, and avoiding ingestion. Wash up after cutting. If in doubt, look up the chemical formula and search for the MSDS. All minerals are toxic at some level of exposure. You just want to make sure you stay below any dangerous level of exposure. Kreigh B & B wrote: > > Hello > Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of thanks for all your help Betty > _________________________________________________________________ > This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From marksigouin at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 05:23:01 2008 From: marksigouin at verizon.net (Mark) Date: Fri Mar 28 05:23:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals References: Message-ID: <006001c890ce$77c12af0$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> cinnebar, realgar, orpiment ----- Original Message ----- From: "B & B" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals Hello Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of thanks for all your help Betty _________________________________________________________________ This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From marksigouin at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 05:25:55 2008 From: marksigouin at verizon.net (Mark) Date: Fri Mar 28 05:28:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals References: Message-ID: <006401c890ce$def1f240$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> If there is a potitnetial to breathe dust it is probably wise to where a mask with any of the minerals to prevent silicosis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B & B" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals Hello Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of thanks for all your help Betty _________________________________________________________________ This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 28 09:04:01 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:05:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Iron ore? That's a rather broad category. What iron ore is toxic? If magnetite, hematite and goethite are toxic then I've been uninformed for a long time. Does someone have the answer as to what iron ore is toxic? Then there is the point that few minerals are toxic (are any minerals toxic?), they may be a health hazard, but they are not toxins. Regards, Lanny On Mar 27, 2008, at 10:29 AM, B & B wrote: > Hello > Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list > of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that > Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am > working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of > thanks for all your help Betty > _________________________________________________________________ > This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much > you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kadok at infowest.com Fri Mar 28 09:22:15 2008 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:16:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals In-Reply-To: <006001c890ce$77c12af0$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> References: <006001c890ce$77c12af0$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> Message-ID: <002801c890ef$e2d19a70$0200a8c0@kadok> Just about any copper or Mercury ore, or Uranium. If you do a lot of cutting, you should always be wearing a good mask to keep the rock dust from filling your lungs! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 6:23 AM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals cinnebar, realgar, orpiment ----- Original Message ----- From: "B & B" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:29 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals Hello Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of thanks for all your help Betty _________________________________________________________________ This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 28 09:23:32 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:25:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals In-Reply-To: <006401c890ce$def1f240$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> References: <006401c890ce$def1f240$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> Message-ID: <8FE9EF15-DF87-4C10-AD51-F7C5BC67483D@roadrunner.com> Silicosis is caused by silica dust (quartz, cristobalite and tridymite), not the dust of any silicate mineral. Any rock/mineral dust in large quantities can be a problem, any dust can be a problem if you breathe too much of it, but most silicate mineral dusts are no more of a hazard than any other dust. One of the mineral groups or organizations does have a list of hazardous minerals online, but I can't seem to come up with the right word combination to find it in a search at this time. Regards, Lanny On Mar 28, 2008, at 5:25 AM, Mark wrote: > If there is a potitnetial to breathe dust it is probably wise to > where a mask with any of the minerals to prevent silicosis. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "B & B" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:29 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals > > > Hello > Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list > of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that > Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am > working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of > thanks for all your help Betty > _________________________________________________________________ > This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much > you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Fri Mar 28 09:35:25 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:36:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards References: Message-ID: <004d01c890f1$b9e65fe0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Heath hazards or toxins; that's an important distinction Lanny made. Silica dust is a health hazard if inhaled, but it's certainly not a toxin, otherwise sandboxes should be banned. I think he's right about iron ores as well, however some iron ores may contain elements other than iron which are toxic. Does anyone know what those elements might be? Or, why iron ore should be considered toxic? A couple of years ago when I was anemic, I took iron supplements which consisted of 50 millgrams of iron sulfate. Two per day. Regards, Erich ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanny R To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals Iron ore? That's a rather broad category. What iron ore is toxic? If magnetite, hematite and goethite are toxic then I've been uninformed for a long time. Does someone have the answer as to what iron ore is toxic? Then there is the point that few minerals are toxic (are any minerals toxic?), they may be a health hazard, but they are not toxins. Regards, Lanny On Mar 27, 2008, at 10:29 AM, B & B wrote: > Hello > Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list > of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that > Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am > working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of > thanks for all your help Betty > _________________________________________________________________ > This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much > you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 28 09:58:06 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Fri Mar 28 09:58:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards In-Reply-To: <004d01c890f1$b9e65fe0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> References: <004d01c890f1$b9e65fe0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <6928F17F-E831-4C5C-BC3D-51115AEA4F6C@roadrunner.com> I already answered one of my questions, decided to take a online search refresher. Whereas most of these mineral things are not toxic some could be properly called toxic in the broad sense of the word these days. Toxic essentially referred to the toxins: chemical poisons from plants and animals, but now is often used to mean any chemical that causes a disease. Considering that asbestosis, cancers and silicosis are considered diseases, that would make the bad asbestos minerals and quartz toxic to the human body. Like Erich, I still want to know what iron ores are dangerous and what it is they contain. Regards, Lanny On Mar 28, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Erich Kern wrote: > > > Heath hazards or toxins; that's an important distinction Lanny made. > Silica dust is a health hazard if inhaled, but it's certainly not a > toxin, otherwise sandboxes should be banned. I think he's right > about iron ores as well, however some iron ores may contain elements > other than iron which are toxic. Does anyone know what those > elements might be? Or, why iron ore should be considered toxic? > > A couple of years ago when I was anemic, I took iron supplements > which consisted of 50 millgrams of iron sulfate. Two per day. > > Regards, > Erich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lanny R > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals > > > Iron ore? That's a rather broad category. What iron ore is toxic? If > magnetite, hematite and goethite are toxic then I've been uninformed > for a long time. Does someone have the answer as to what iron ore is > toxic? > > Then there is the point that few minerals are toxic (are any minerals > toxic?), they may be a health hazard, but they are not toxins. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Mar 27, 2008, at 10:29 AM, B & B wrote: > >> Hello >> Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list >> of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that >> Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am >> working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of >> thanks for all your help Betty >> _________________________________________________________________ >> This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much >> you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! >> http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 28 10:29:26 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 28 10:29:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals In-Reply-To: <47EC5DFA.3750@Tomaszewski.net> References: <47EC5DFA.3750@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <002401c890f9$45eb63d0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Betty, I agree with Kreigh. Some minerals are poisonous in a clear and obvious way... Arsenic, mercury, gallium, thallium (although those last two minerals may never appear in sizes that warrant cutting. See some Bintall micromounts ;-))) Others are poisonous in a much less obvious way. Beryllium and it's minerals are highly carcinogenic. Barite will do nothing to you because the barium sulfate is one of nature's most insoluble substances. Dust from cutting witherite (barium carbonate), however, may damage you health or even kill you slowly until you are completely dead (which is just another funny way of saying that the death by barium is unpleasant. Not that other deaths are especially pleasant but most of them are unpleasant in a lesser degree. Loss of coherence being a lesser symptom of... Oops, I forgot! Aluminum poisoning can do that... Make you forget things, I mean...and excessive babbling.) http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/barium/casedef.asp Cutting lead ores... Oh, you know the dangers of lead. Not to speak of the AHVLP (Acute High Velocity Lead Poisoning which can be caused by standing on the receiving end of fire arms). Zinc ore is another story because it often contains cadmium and cadmium: http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/19/5/1308 Zinc itself is considered a heavy metal but it's toxicity is somewhat lower than the above. Left untreated however: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-symptoms-of-zinc-poisoning.htm And if you look past the commercial message this one sums it up quite nicely: http://www.doctorjackson.org/health/poisoning.htm Every element or compound has some degree of toxicity when inhaled or ingested. As with everything in life: 1) think before you do and take some protective measures. 2) use the right protective measures! A condom will not protect you from the flu. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: vrijdag 28 maart 2008 3:58 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals > > Betty, > > If you are cutting rocks and making dust (or mist) you need > to take precautions. Stuff you inhale tends to be cumulative > and can be very nasty. > > Look at the chemical formula of the minerals you are cutting. > Some elements (mercury and arsenic for a couple examples) are > much more dangerous than others, as are some combinations of > elements (copper containing molecules as an example). > > Some minerals are relatively safe to touch, but you don't > want to ingest them. Others may be absorbed thru the skin. > > You need to think like a chemist. You need to worry about how > toxic each chemical is, how much you might encounter (the > dose), and the way you are exposed (inhalation, ingestion, contact). > > Doses can be cumulative, especially for radioactives, heavy > metals, and inhaled anything. > > You are generally safe taking reasonable precautions against > inhalation with most common rocks and minerals, minimizing > contact, and avoiding ingestion. Wash up after cutting. > > If in doubt, look up the chemical formula and search for the > MSDS. All minerals are toxic at some level of exposure. You > just want to make sure you stay below any dangerous level of exposure. > > Kreigh > > > > > > B & B wrote: > > > > Hello > > Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking > for a list of > > stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that > > Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I > am working > > with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of > thanks for > > all your help Betty > > _________________________________________________________________ > > This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart > how much you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! > > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 28 10:51:29 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 28 10:51:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01c890fc$59ccc710$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Iron poisoning really exists, Lanny ;-))) You can get it from overdoses of food supplements and iron pills. It's a mild poisoning with only light symptoms like cramps, stomach aches, vomiting, diarrhea... Iron ores are not toxic. Iron needs to be in a soluble form to be absorbed by the human body (and, if I recall right, it needs certain vitamines to enhance the absorption process... One of the B-vitamines, I think). Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Lanny R > Verzonden: vrijdag 28 maart 2008 17:04 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals > > Iron ore? That's a rather broad category. What iron ore is > toxic? If magnetite, hematite and goethite are toxic then > I've been uninformed for a long time. Does someone have the > answer as to what iron ore is toxic? > > Then there is the point that few minerals are toxic (are any > minerals toxic?), they may be a health hazard, but they are > not toxins. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > On Mar 27, 2008, at 10:29 AM, B & B wrote: > > > Hello > > Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking > for a list of > > stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that > > Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I > am working > > with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of > thanks for > > all your help Betty > > _________________________________________________________________ > > This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart > how much > > you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here! > > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224 > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sellepack at excite.com Fri Mar 28 12:54:58 2008 From: sellepack at excite.com (Steve Sellepack) Date: Fri Mar 28 12:55:05 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards Message-ID: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> Erich, This goes back to your dose response and dose method comments. Iron can be toxic in large enough doses or pose a health risk if inhaled at large enough concentrations. Other elements in iron ore can also be considered toxic in large enough doses or inhaled. Doses can also be magnified through bioaccumulation and/or rate that it can be metabolized. This is a good website to check out for chemical toxicity.http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/searchThe below is a MSDS for water prepared to demonstrate the "worst case" conditions described in the usual MSDS http://www.hsegroup.com/hse/text/water.htm But joking aside, if you are working in an area generating alot of dust use common sense and wear a particulate filter mask and wear googles if needed. Look at the MSDS and determine if dermal exposure is a concern. Change your clothes and wash after you are finished. And one more joke: If your skin starts to turn blue you know something is wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Karason Steve--- On Fri 03/28, Erich Kern < efkern@earthlink.net > wrote:From: Erich Kern [mailto: efkern@earthlink.net]To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.comDate: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:35:25 -0700Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazardsHeath hazards or toxins; that's an important distinction Lanny made. Silica dust is a health hazard if inhaled, but it's certainly not a toxin, otherwise sandboxes should be banned. I think he's right about iron ores as well, however some iron ores may contain elements other than iron which are toxic. Does anyone know what those elements might be? Or, why iron ore should be considered toxic? A couple of years ago when I was anemic, I took iron supplements which consisted of 50 millgrams of iron sulfate. Two per day. Regards,Erich----- Original Message ----- From: Lanny R To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:04 AMSubject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic mineralsIron ore? That's a rather broad category. What iron ore is toxic? If magnetite, hematite and goethite are toxic then I've been uninformed for a long time. Does someone have the answer as to what iron ore is toxic?Then there is the point that few minerals are toxic (are any minerals toxic?), they may be a health hazard, but they are not toxins.Regards,LannyOn Mar 27, 2008, at 10:29 AM, B & B wrote:> Hello> Want to know if any body could lend a hand. I am looking for a list > of stones that are toxic. When I am cutting some rocks I know that > Malachite is toxic and so is Iron ore. I use a mask when I am > working with these stones. Is there any more I should be aware of > thanks for all your help Betty> _________________________________________________________________> This Valentine's Day, get creative and show your sweetheart how much > you care with flair! Find fun date ideas here!> http://g.msn.ca/ca55/224>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> --> _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html-- _______________________________________________Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing ListSubscription Services:http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhoundsList Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---multipart/alternativetext/plain (text body -- kept)text/html-----_______________________________________________Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing ListSubscription Services:http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhoundsList Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri Mar 28 14:05:11 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri Mar 28 14:12:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards In-Reply-To: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <003c01c89117$6960b540$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Steve wrote > if you are working in an area generating alot of dust use > common sense and wear a particulate filter mask and wear > googles if needed. Steve, you know that you spend way too much time on your computer if you wear googles to protect your eyes. Thank you, this was the best one I heard in weeks ;-))) To err is human... Cheers Axel From kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca Fri Mar 28 14:21:32 2008 From: kaydavis at estrie.qc.ca (Kay Davis) Date: Fri Mar 28 14:31:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards In-Reply-To: <003c01c89117$6960b540$6701a8c0@AxelHP> References: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> <003c01c89117$6960b540$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <00c301c89119$b2f045c0$853ba8c0@D8YF2G81> To err is human... But to really screw things up takes a computer... From therockhunter at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 15:23:24 2008 From: therockhunter at hotmail.com (B & B) Date: Fri Mar 28 15:28:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic Minerals Message-ID: Hello Everybody: I want to thank every body for there help. This was not quite what I was after. I work in Lapidary. Cutting, Grinding, Polishing on Laps etc . We wear the necessary safety equipment. Boots and glasses. And when I need to a dusk mask. What I was looking for was a possible list for rocks that through off nasty dust, Some rocks you drill under water, etc. I am no wear near being a chemist. If there was a web site that someone is aware of that has a list of rocks that should taken with cautious. What about teaching children or young adults. Thank you Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty _________________________________________________________________ Sympatico/MSN Autos wants to put YOU in a 2008 Eclipse! Click here to enter! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 15:59:23 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Fri Mar 28 15:59:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic Minerals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ED784B.1050606@verizon.net> B & B wrote: > Hello Everybody: > > I want to thank every body for there help. This was not quite what I was after. Hi, Given all that we DON'T know about the health effects of particulates, the best recommendation is to always wear respiratory protection when cutting dry. I also recommend cutting with lubrication whenever feasible. I could be wrong, but I don't think you'll find a complete, comprehensive, and well-research list of the effects of every mineral. Besides, health effects are usually researched based on mineral species, and if you are truly cutting rocks, rocks can contain a number of species which may or may not be apparent. Minerals also contain trace elements and contaminants. Some faceters like to cut sphalerite, which is zinc sulfide, but often contains cadmium. Breathing zinc sulfide dust is not recommended in any case, but the cadmium adds more risk. best, Don From ajs at frii.com Fri Mar 28 15:59:42 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Fri Mar 28 16:00:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards In-Reply-To: <00c301c89119$b2f045c0$853ba8c0@D8YF2G81> Message-ID: <20080328225942.4A6D11CC42@io.frii.com> > To err is human... > But to really screw things up takes a computer... To err is human; to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System. To err is human -- but it feels divine. -- Mae West To err is human; to admit it is a blunder. To err is human; to blame someone else for your errors is even more human. To err is human; To forgive is Not Company Policy. To err is human; to forgive is unusual. To err is human; to moo, bovine. And the original: Good nature and good sense must ever join; to err is human, to forgive, divine. Cherrs, Alan Silverstein From albalmer at copper.net Fri Mar 28 17:04:55 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Mar 28 17:04:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] In-Reply-To: <33133448.1205811747768.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <33133448.1205811747768.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sorry for the test, but the list has been bouncing my messages. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Mar 28 18:55:44 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 28 18:52:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards References: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <47EDA0E8.7E3E@Tomaszewski.net> Steve, Thanks for the link to the MSDS for water. I had not seen that before. It fails to note that excessive ingestion can cause death, and that excessive exposure to the solid phase can cause frostbite and death. For the dangers of water I prefer http://www.dhmo.org. The point is that too much of anything is not good for you. If you don't know where the limits are, experimentation is not a good way to find them. Do your homework first. Kreigh Steve Sellepack wrote: > > Erich, This goes back to your dose response and dose method comments. Iron can be toxic in large enough doses or pose a health risk if inhaled at large enough concentrations. Other elements in iron ore can also be considered toxic in large enough doses or inhaled. Doses can also be magnified through bioaccumulation and/or rate that it can be metabolized. This is a good website to check out for chemical toxicity. http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/searchThe below is a MSDS for water prepared to demonstrate the "worst case" conditions described in the usual MSDS http://www.hsegroup.com/hse/text/water.htm But joking aside, if you are working in an area generating alot of dust use common sense and wear a particulate filter mask and wear googles if needed. Look at the MSDS and determine if dermal exposure is a concern. Change your clothes and wash after you are finished. And one more joke: If your skin starts to turn blue you know something is wrong. > > > > Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri Mar 28 19:03:10 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri Mar 28 19:03:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards References: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> <003c01c89117$6960b540$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <47EDA35D.73EF@Tomaszewski.net> Google is your friend. Axel Emmermann wrote: > > Steve wrote > > > if you are working in an area generating alot of dust use > > common sense and wear a particulate filter mask and wear > > googles if needed. > > Steve, you know that you spend way too much time on your computer if you > wear googles to protect your eyes. > Thank you, this was the best one I heard in weeks ;-))) > > To err is human... > > Cheers > Axel > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 28 19:20:09 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Fri Mar 28 19:20:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] In-Reply-To: References: <33133448.1205811747768.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0419AA34-8A29-4913-8E3E-5106ADFF6B16@roadrunner.com> An understandable move Al, Something strange is going on with the list today. I haven't received the two messages I sent to the list this morning but received the others on the Toxic minerals thread (of course I don't know if it was all of them or not). Lanny On Mar 28, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Al Balmer wrote: > Sorry for the test, but the list has been bouncing my messages. > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From albalmer at copper.net Fri Mar 28 20:31:47 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Fri Mar 28 20:31:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] In-Reply-To: <0419AA34-8A29-4913-8E3E-5106ADFF6B16@roadrunner.com> References: <33133448.1205811747768.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0419AA34-8A29-4913-8E3E-5106ADFF6B16@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:20:09 -0700, Lanny R wrote: >An understandable move Al, > >Something strange is going on with the list today. I haven't received >the two messages I sent to the list this morning but received the >others on the Toxic minerals thread (of course I don't know if it was >all of them or not). I changed email addresses, a couple of weeks ago. I went to the website and made the change, but it was only half effective. I started getting the list at the new address, but couldn't post because it didn't recognize my email address. I did it all over today, and it seems to have worked this time. > >Lanny > > >On Mar 28, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Al Balmer wrote: > >> Sorry for the test, but the list has been bouncing my messages. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From codeburner at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 05:26:07 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sat Mar 29 05:27:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards In-Reply-To: <47EDA0E8.7E3E@Tomaszewski.net> References: <20080328195458.75F3D91FBD@xprdmxin.myway.com> <47EDA0E8.7E3E@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Going back to iron toxicity, humans are actually in a balanced state in regard to iron. We of course need some but too much can tip us over into iron toxicity: A mistaken diagnoses of anemia and the prescribed iron supplements can push you into toxicity so I suspect under worse case conditions ingesting iron dust while working on iron minerals could do the same. BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jr50wv at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 06:41:36 2008 From: jr50wv at yahoo.com (J. R. Hodel) Date: Sat Mar 29 06:43:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] airborne hazards Message-ID: <442419.35900.qm@web56305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> HI: An interesting discussion; we've seen this topic many times before . Many substances we handle and use every day can become hazards in special circumstances. In the textile mills once so common in the south of the US people used to suffer from inhaled fiber fragments; my first jobs were in a printing plant run by my family in the 1960s and 70s, where they were just starting to attempt to protect pressmen from paper dust. Locally (I live in sothern WV where the major (think only) industry is coal mining) one of the most severe common diseases of the mature male is pneumoconiosis caused from exposure to coal dust. I believe it has been shown that it doesn't take 35 years to have a pretty bad case of OPD from exposure to coal dust! It is apparently pretty common in Kentucky today among young coal miners, less so in WV due to state-level regulatory authority. The cost of our electricity (steel) is the blood of our miners. Exposure to Talc can cause diseases more commonly thought to be caused by exposure to asbestos; the two minerals often occur together! But there is a disease called talcosis. Berylliosis is also a disease, but I suspect the uptake of beryllium into the system acting as a carcinogin is more dangerous than clogging your lungs with the powder. Another horrific industrial "accident" happened near here in central WV when a tunnel was drilled through a mountain for hydroelectric generation at Hawk's Nest. The tunnel was drilled through sandstone that proved to be pure silica; it is not known exactly how many workers died as it behoved the company not to track such things. They widened the bore diameter of the tunnel in order to produce extra silica for sale, so they were totally aware of what they were drilling through. They prohibited drillers from using water spray to keep down dust because it slowed drilling, and time is money. Now-a-days when the local aggegate company delivers crushed stone, there is a warning about exposure to rock dust on the back of the weigh-bill. I would rather use an exhaust hood than a mask, since I have a full beard (also pretty common in WV for some reason ;-) that would probably be more effective too. Wood dust is also dangerous, more so for some trees than others. Walnut is particularly poisonous, and using walnut sawdust for bedding with horses is a fatal error for the livestock. Many plants cannot grow under a walnut tree! And poison ivy smoke can be fatal to those prone to that allergy... Anyway, be careful with all dusts, smokes and fumes. Welding can also be a dangerous occupation, I left the details out, look it up for yourself. One of the first things they teach in a welding class! But do keep on working! Just be safe! JR in WV --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sat Mar 29 12:38:57 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sat Mar 29 12:39:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] hazards in general References: <442419.35900.qm@web56305.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c891d4$87dfe230$6501a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> They need to post a sign in the new born nurseries of hospitals: "Life is hazardous to your health." Eventually something will kill you! But on the postive side, it often takes a while! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. R. Hodel" To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] airborne hazards > HI: > > An interesting discussion; we've seen this topic many times before > . > Many substances we handle and use every day can become hazards in special > circumstances. In the textile mills once so common in the south of the US > people used to suffer from inhaled fiber fragments; my first jobs were in > a printing plant run by my family in the 1960s and 70s, where they were > just starting to attempt to protect pressmen from paper dust. > > Locally (I live in sothern WV where the major (think only) industry is > coal mining) one of the most severe common diseases of the mature male is > pneumoconiosis caused from exposure to coal dust. I believe it has been > shown that it doesn't take 35 years to have a pretty bad case of OPD from > exposure to coal dust! It is apparently pretty common in Kentucky today > among young coal miners, less so in WV due to state-level regulatory > authority. The cost of our electricity (steel) is the blood of our > miners. > > Exposure to Talc can cause diseases more commonly thought to be caused by > exposure to asbestos; the two minerals often occur together! But there is > a disease called talcosis. Berylliosis is also a disease, but I suspect > the uptake of beryllium into the system acting as a carcinogin is more > dangerous than clogging your lungs with the powder. > > Another horrific industrial "accident" happened near here in central WV > when a tunnel was drilled through a mountain for hydroelectric generation > at Hawk's Nest. The tunnel was drilled through sandstone that proved to > be pure silica; it is not known exactly how many workers died as it > behoved the company not to track such things. > > They widened the bore diameter of the tunnel in order to produce extra > silica for sale, so they were totally aware of what they were drilling > through. They prohibited drillers from using water spray to keep down > dust because it slowed drilling, and time is money. Now-a-days when the > local aggegate company delivers crushed stone, there is a warning about > exposure to rock dust on the back of the weigh-bill. > > I would rather use an exhaust hood than a mask, since I have a full beard > (also pretty common in WV for some reason ;-) that would probably be more > effective too. > > Wood dust is also dangerous, more so for some trees than others. Walnut > is particularly poisonous, and using walnut sawdust for bedding with > horses is a fatal error for the livestock. Many plants cannot grow under a > walnut tree! And poison ivy smoke can be fatal to those prone to that > allergy... > > Anyway, be careful with all dusts, smokes and fumes. Welding can also be > a dangerous occupation, I left the details out, look it up for yourself. > One of the first things they teach in a welding class! > > But do keep on working! Just be safe! > > JR in WV > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 29 17:17:27 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 29 17:16:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quake-Catcher Network Message-ID: <47EEDBD0.30F2@Tomaszewski.net> The recently announced Quake-Catcher Network uses accelerometers in laptops to make a distributed seismic network that may become fast enough to issue warnings just before an earthquake strikes. http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080326/full/452397a.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 29 17:33:02 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat Mar 29 17:32:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Toxic Minerals References: Message-ID: <47EEDF75.9F6@Tomaszewski.net> There is an excellent writeup titled 'Hazards from geology specimens' that includes a list of the more common hazardous/toxic minerals. It is extracted from the MLA standards for care of geological specimens in museums. Caution, the long link may wrap http://www.collectionslink.org.uk/comply_with_the_law/health_and_safety/hazards_specimens Enjoy! Kreigh B & B wrote: > > Hello Everybody: > > I want to thank every body for there help. This was not quite what I was after. I work in Lapidary. Cutting, Grinding, Polishing on Laps etc . We wear the necessary safety equipment. Boots and glasses. And when I need to a dusk mask. What I was looking for was a possible list for rocks that through off nasty dust, Some rocks you drill under water, etc. I am no wear near being a chemist. If there was a web site that someone is aware of that has a list of rocks that should taken with cautious. What about teaching children or young adults. Thank you Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty From efkern at earthlink.net Sat Mar 29 18:24:10 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sat Mar 29 18:24:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron / Toxic minerals / health hazards Message-ID: <001301c89204$c22f3fa0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Bryan, The reason I took 100 mg of iron sulfate (and extra vit. B-12) daily, a year ago, was due to blood lab tests showing below normal red cell count, hemoglobin and hematocrit. I had another lab test done 3 months later which showed an improvement into the center of the normal range, and discontinued the FeSO4 a month later. I had open heart, aortic valve replacement surgery last Feb. No bypass needed, arteries are clean. I have more stamina than I've had in ten years, field trips and mowing the lawn, etc. and will be 70 this year. So, I agree with you, that to take an iron supplement of that dosage without blood lab tests would be foolhardy. I was going to send this just to you, but will send to the whole list, just in case someone takes iron supplements without testing to check blood levels. Excessive iron would be iron which cannot be used to make red blood cells, and is eventually toxic to the liver. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: J Bryan Kramer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards Going back to iron toxicity, humans are actually in a balanced state in regard to iron. We of course need some but too much can tip us over into iron toxicity: A mistaken diagnoses of anemia and the prescribed iron supplements can push you into toxicity so I suspect under worse case conditions ingesting iron dust while working on iron minerals could do the same. BK --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tam2819 at cox.net Sat Mar 29 20:20:53 2008 From: tam2819 at cox.net (Teresa Masters) Date: Sat Mar 29 20:20:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Too Much Fe In-Reply-To: <200803300102.m2U12vWl015791@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200803300102.m2U12vWl015791@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4BCE1FC2-941F-46DA-AD76-617B5D187D44@cox.net> Some years, gallons ago, I had too much Iron in my blood. At the same time, I read an article by Dr. Irvin Rosenfeld stating that Iron in the blood could be regulated by regularly donating blood. So at a late age, I began to do just that. Now, I am a regular at the San Diego Blood Bank, and feel good, while helping myself, I am helping those in need. My grandson recently began to donate as well. I am proud that he is starting at 20. there is a Donor Wall of Honor, some have given 90 gallons!!!!!!!!!!! Consider donating, it is for a good cause. It is never too late. I have the worst veins in the world, and it is not easy, but I continue because it is right. Terrie From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sun Mar 30 09:39:48 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sun Mar 30 09:39:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron / Toxic minerals / health hazards In-Reply-To: <001301c89204$c22f3fa0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> References: <001301c89204$c22f3fa0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <005401c89284$ab540dd0$6701a8c0@AxelHP> Most acute iron-poisonings come from children that found a stash of iron pills from a relative and thought it was candy. More rare are cases of health fanatics who combine so much food supplements and probiotics that the combined iron intake is greater that their needs. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Erich Kern > Verzonden: zondag 30 maart 2008 2:24 > Aan: J Bryan Kramer; Rockhounds > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Iron / Toxic minerals / health hazards > > > Bryan, > > The reason I took 100 mg of iron sulfate (and extra vit. > B-12) daily, a year ago, was due to blood lab tests showing > below normal red cell count, hemoglobin and hematocrit. I had > another lab test done 3 months later which showed an > improvement into the center of the normal range, and > discontinued the FeSO4 a month later. > > I had open heart, aortic valve replacement surgery last Feb. > No bypass needed, arteries are clean. I have more stamina > than I've had in ten years, field trips and mowing the lawn, > etc. and will be 70 this year. > > So, I agree with you, that to take an iron supplement of that > dosage without blood lab tests would be foolhardy. I was > going to send this just to you, but will send to the whole > list, just in case someone takes iron supplements without > testing to check blood levels. Excessive iron would be iron > which cannot be used to make red blood cells, and is > eventually toxic to the liver. > > Erich Kern > Murrieta, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J Bryan Kramer > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 5:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Toxic minerals / health hazards > > > Going back to iron toxicity, humans are actually in a > balanced state in regard to iron. We of course need some but > too much can tip us over into iron toxicity: > > > > A mistaken diagnoses of anemia and the prescribed iron > supplements can push you into toxicity so I suspect under > worse case conditions ingesting iron dust while working on > iron minerals could do the same. > > BK > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From drtanuki at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 10:03:55 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Sun Mar 30 10:03:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Book on Florissant fossil beds In-Reply-To: <005601c88af5$048e62c0$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: <417555.39960.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Alan and Rockhounds, Alan, thank you for your kind post to the list! Sounds like a book I will buy! I don`t know if this might be of interest to you or the Rockhound group. Thank you for your candid comments. Please kindly check my link and the webpage; sorry that the page is not fully completed yet. I think that many Rockhounds might find this information useful as well, and many of them might have information, stories or photos that I can add to this webpage. http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx Thank YOU! Best Always, Dirk...Tokyo Main Websites with several pages: www.meteoritesjapan.com www.insekijapan.com --- drtanuki wrote: > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: drtanuki > Subject: UXO and meteorite/field research hazards > page under construction > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, dirk ross > > > Dear List, > I am just back from two weeks of field research in > Laos. This trip has made me determined to create a > page on meteorite/field research hazards. > If you are interested in some of the hazards that > you might encounter while hunting meteorites please > take time to look at this page that is under > construction; the page will be added to as time > permits. If you have information that you would > like > to provide please let me know. Thank you for your > time. > > http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx > > Best Always in LIFE, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > This was posted on the Geological Society of America > on-line newsletter today > > Alan > > Paleontology of the Upper Eocene Florissant > Formation, Colorado > > GSA Member price: $42; Non-member price: $60 > > Edited by: Herbert W. Meyer & Dena M. Smith > > Year Published: 2008 > > Total Pages: 177 > > ISBN: 9780813724355 > > Product Code: SPE435 > > The Upper Eocene Florissant Formation of central > Colorado contains an exceptionally preserved, highly > diverse assemblage of fossil plants and insects > along with some vertebrates. This volume offers 11 > diverse contributions, including the history of the > paleontological study of the site; new models for > the role of biofilms in fossil preservation; the > relevance to interpretations of paleoclimate, > biogeography, and the Eocene-Oligocene floral > transition; plant-insect associations during the > Eocene; morphometric approaches to fossil spider > identification; a summary of the mammalian fauna; > the mineralogical preservation of the fossil woods > and conservation strategies for the petrified > forest; and the development of a new database to > compile a complete inventory of the fossils and > their taxonomy. The volume is partially the outcome > of a GSA symposium that was held during the 2004 > annual meeting, and it reports many of the newest > advances in our understanding of Florissant during > the past decade. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From aparker0011 at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 12:18:59 2008 From: aparker0011 at gmail.com (Ann Parker) Date: Sun Mar 30 12:21:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need Lapidary in Virginia Message-ID: <000001c8929a$e95e7640$9e1fbb43@your03667082de> I'm looking for someone who can facet and/or cab cut stones in Virginia. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rockhounds at adelphia.net Sun Mar 30 14:09:19 2008 From: rockhounds at adelphia.net (rockhounds@adelphia.net) Date: Sun Mar 30 14:09:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Too Much Fe Message-ID: <16510657.1206911359630.JavaMail.root@web35> I do the same for my Iron content. It also reduces the possibility of stroke and heart attack that high FE can cause. Kelly Hanson ---- Teresa Masters wrote: > Some years, gallons ago, I had too much Iron in my blood. At the same > time, I read an article by Dr. Irvin Rosenfeld stating that Iron in > the blood could be regulated by regularly donating blood. So at a > late age, I began to do just that. Now, I am a regular at the San > Diego Blood Bank, and feel good, while helping myself, I am helping > those in need. > > My grandson recently began to donate as well. I am proud that he is > starting at 20. there is a Donor Wall of Honor, some have given 90 > gallons!!!!!!!!!!! > > Consider donating, it is for a good cause. It is never too late. > > I have the worst veins in the world, and it is not easy, but I > continue because it is right. > Terrie > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pttrefrn at triwest.net Sun Mar 30 20:30:46 2008 From: pttrefrn at triwest.net (Ronald and Patricia Potter-Efron) Date: Sun Mar 30 20:31:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Book on Florissant fossil beds References: <417555.39960.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c892df$9ba05f00$0201a8c0@EMACHINEDESKTOP> Dirk (or Dr. Tanuki?)... I am really impressed by your website. I really haven't seen one before which is put together in such an interesting manner. The danger to those indigenous was made very clear by your pictures--and it's about time, of course. We have a world to put back together. I hope you will also add pictures of the meteorites and other things you find for those of us who don't know--i.e., me. I find the language additional to the ordnance and meteorite pages almost poetic. You have found a new way to add some spiritual education to the world of rocks--. Looking forward to further things you put up. Thank you. This is great! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "drtanuki" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Book on Florissant fossil beds > Alan and Rockhounds, > Alan, thank you for your kind post to the list! > Sounds like a book I will buy! > > > I don`t know if this might be of interest to you or > the Rockhound group. > Thank you for your candid comments. > > Please kindly check my link and the webpage; sorry > that the page is not fully completed yet. I think > that many Rockhounds might find this information > useful as well, and many of them might have > information, stories or photos that I can add to this > webpage. > > http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx > > Thank YOU! Best Always, Dirk...Tokyo > > Main Websites with several pages: > > www.meteoritesjapan.com > > www.insekijapan.com > > > > > > --- drtanuki wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) >> From: drtanuki >> Subject: UXO and meteorite/field research hazards >> page under construction >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, dirk ross >> >> >> Dear List, >> I am just back from two weeks of field research in >> Laos. This trip has made me determined to create a >> page on meteorite/field research hazards. >> If you are interested in some of the hazards that >> you might encounter while hunting meteorites please >> take time to look at this page that is under >> construction; the page will be added to as time >> permits. If you have information that you would >> like >> to provide please let me know. Thank you for your >> time. >> >> http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx >> >> Best Always in LIFE, Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> > > > > > > --- Alan Goldstein wrote: > >> This was posted on the Geological Society of America >> on-line newsletter today >> >> Alan >> >> Paleontology of the Upper Eocene Florissant >> Formation, Colorado >> >> GSA Member price: $42; Non-member price: $60 >> >> Edited by: Herbert W. Meyer & Dena M. Smith >> >> Year Published: 2008 >> >> Total Pages: 177 >> >> ISBN: 9780813724355 >> >> Product Code: SPE435 >> >> The Upper Eocene Florissant Formation of central >> Colorado contains an exceptionally preserved, highly >> diverse assemblage of fossil plants and insects >> along with some vertebrates. This volume offers 11 >> diverse contributions, including the history of the >> paleontological study of the site; new models for >> the role of biofilms in fossil preservation; the >> relevance to interpretations of paleoclimate, >> biogeography, and the Eocene-Oligocene floral >> transition; plant-insect associations during the >> Eocene; morphometric approaches to fossil spider >> identification; a summary of the mammalian fauna; >> the mineralogical preservation of the fossil woods >> and conservation strategies for the petrified >> forest; and the development of a new database to >> compile a complete inventory of the fossils and >> their taxonomy. The volume is partially the outcome >> of a GSA symposium that was held during the 2004 >> annual meeting, and it reports many of the newest >> advances in our understanding of Florissant during >> the past decade. >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From efkern at earthlink.net Sun Mar 30 20:52:53 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Sun Mar 30 20:52:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Powow Rock Show Founder John Snyder Has Passed Away Message-ID: <000e01c892e2$b355ada0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Sunday, March 30, 2008 . Fellow Rockounds ... . John Snyder, who for thirty-three years together with his wife Betty, hosted "Snyder's Powwow" in Valley Springs, CA, passed away Wednesday, March 26. Services were held Saturday. . Info at: www.valleyspringspowwow.com . Contact information for Betty appears at the very bottom of this message. . Below are two articles about John that appeared at www.Recordnet.com . ARTICLE NUMBER ONE . VALLEY SPRINGS - John Snyder earned his bread with beef, rocks and a powwow that he and his wife founded 34 years ago on their Paloma Road ranch. . The Valley Springs Powwow has since become Valley Springs' largest event, each year drawing thousands of rockhounds from throughout the Western United States. . Snyder won't be on hand, however, when the 34th powwow starts April 30. He died Wednesday morning, surrounded by family. He was 86. He would have turned 87 at the start of this year's powwow. Betty Snyder, his wife, said that in 1975, the couple was on the verge of looking for a larger, more profitable ranch in another state when mineral buffs asked if they could prospect in a moss agate quarry on the Snyder ranch. Camping fees paid by the rockhounds turned out to be just the revenue boost the ranch needed to allow the family to stay in California. That first year, John Snyder butchered one of his bulls and borrowed a portable cooking shed from the Calaveras County Deputy Sheriff's Association. . "Our four daughters stayed in there and cooked ground beef bull burgers," Betty Snyder said. "And then John barbecued the rest of the bull in a deep pit barbecue to entertain folks on Saturday night." . Betty Snyder estimated that the festival attracts about 15,000 people over its long weekend run each year. It was initially called a powwow because that's what other gem and mineral gatherings throughout the West were called at the time. It was only years later that American Indian dancers became part of the festivities. Those dancers in turn expanded the festival by luring bus loads of schoolchildren who take workshops in which they learn to dance with a potato wedged between two people's foreheads. . Snyder's contribution to youth, however, began decades earlier when he was driving his daughters to San Joaquin County to participate in 4-H programs. Several sources credit him with the lobbying effort - including speeches by uniformed 4-H youngsters - that persuaded the Calaveras County Board of Supervisors to open a University of California Agricultural Extension office here. UC Extension is the host organization for 4-H. "He was just a real gentle, kind man, and he was always supportive of the junior livestock auction at the fair," said Kenneth Churches, the adviser for the Calaveras UC Extension office. . Snyder also did his share of work with adults. He served on the Calaveras County Planning Commission and on the Board of Trustees of the Calaveras Unified School District, as well as on agricultural and cattle industry organizations. Snyder was born April 30, 1921, in Stockton but grew up and lived in Calaveras County. His father, Charles Snyder, was an attorney and rancher and served as the Calaveras County district attorney. . John Snyder graduated from Calaveras High School in 1939, studied agriculture at the University of California, Davis, and served in the Army in 1945 and 1946 before returning home to ranch and raise a family. A funeral service will be held at 10 a.m. today at San Andreas Memorial Chapel, 254 W. St. Charles St., San Andreas. . ARTICLE NUMBER TWO . John Jay Snyder Apr. 30, 1921 - March 26, 2008 . Lifelong Calaveras County resident. Mother transported to St. Joseph's Hospital in Stockton for his birth. His great grandfather left Germany to come to America during the gold rush. His father Charles Peter Snyder raised cattle and John carried on the tradition. Resume October 18, 1986 for Senior Citizen of the Year Award Valley Springs. John Snyder, 3rd generation native Californian has lived his entire life in Calaveras County. He attended San Andreas Elementary and graduated from Calaveras High School and attended University of California Davis. He served in the U.S. Army in Puerto Rico during WWII. . Since 1946 he raised cattle at the ranch just north of Valley Springs. He enjoyed taking cattle to the mountains with his father up Ebbetts Pass and later in life on Sonora Pass with the help of his daughters' families. John was instrumental in encouraging the Extension Service through the University of California to place a Farm Advisor in Calaveras County so that all children could have the benefit of belonging to the 4-H Club. John held many positions in Farm Bureau, he was the first director to the California Farm Bureau Federation and at the time visited 6 counties monthly along with directors meetings in Berkley. He served on the 39th District Fair Board, Calaveras Unified School District Board, Planning Commission, VS Boosters, ABA, American Legion, and local draft board. As a member of the Valley Springs Community United Methodist Church he held most of the church offices at one time or another, was a member of the Historical Society and Republican Central Committee. Also was a member of California Cattlemen's Assoc. . Preceded in death by his parents, Charles Peter Snyder and Louise Emma Snyder (Buckholtz); sisters, Agnes Snyder Raggio, Wilma June Snyder Cox De Motte, Marion Louise Snyder and grandson Jacob Strojan. Leaves behind his wife of 64 years Betty Baker Snyder; daughters Susan Batson, Janet Adamek (Weyman Adamek), Joanne Snyder Randall (Ron Randall), and Mary Anne Strojan (Les Strojan); grandchildren Gabriel John Adamek (Jen), Mariah Raz (Jason), Joseph Adamek, John Randall (Sarah), Paul Strojan, Kathleen Strojan, and Andy Strojan; great grandchildren Lukas Adamek, Aidan James Adamek, Samantha Adamek, and Zachary Raz, and cousins Ken Snyder (Penny), Gary Snyder, and numerous nieces and nephews. . Memorial Service: Saturday, March 29, 10:00 a.m., San Andreas Memorial Chapel, San Andreas, CA. Private Entombment: San Joaquin Catholic Cemetery, Stockton, CA. . In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to: The Heifer Project c/o Community Methodist Church 135 Laurel Street Valley Springs, CA 95252 www.heifer.org/ . CONTACT INFORMATION FOR BETTY SNYDER: Betty Snyder P.O. Box 177 Valley Springs, CA 95252-0177 (209) 772-1265 snyderspowwow@sbcglobal.net . Thanks to Terry Beguhl of the Sacramento Mineral and Gem Society for making me aware of John's passing so that I could let all of you know. . From: Sharron Smith No longer a chair - just helping out Vista Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. 760.724.8673 rocksmithgal@sbcglobal.net From drtanuki at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 01:42:36 2008 From: drtanuki at yahoo.com (drtanuki) Date: Mon Mar 31 01:42:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] UXO harards and meteorite/rockhunting/field research In-Reply-To: <000d01c892df$9ba05f00$0201a8c0@EMACHINEDESKTOP> Message-ID: <524686.54423.qm@web53209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Pat and List, Thank you for taking your time to look at the webpage http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx and website www.meteoritesjapan.com and your kind comments. I hope that people with information can help save lives, including perhaps their own. I will in the future add photos of meteorites found in the field and more information about field research hazards. Thank you, Pat! Best Always in LIFE, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Ronald and Patricia Potter-Efron wrote: > Dirk (or Dr. Tanuki?)... > I am really impressed by your website. I really > haven't seen one before > which is put together in such an interesting manner. > The danger to those indigenous was made very > clear by your > pictures--and it's about time, of course. We have a > world > to put back together. I hope you will also add > pictures of the meteorites > and other > things you find for those of us who don't > know--i.e., me. > I find the language additional to the > ordnance and meteorite pages almost poetic. You have > found a new way to add > some spiritual education to the world of rocks--. > Looking forward to further > things you put up. > Thank you. This is great! > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "drtanuki" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors" > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Book on Florissant > fossil beds > > > > Alan and Rockhounds, > > Alan, thank you for your kind post to the list! > > Sounds like a book I will buy! > > > > > > I don`t know if this might be of interest to you > or > > the Rockhound group. > > Thank you for your candid comments. > > > > Please kindly check my link and the webpage; sorry > > that the page is not fully completed yet. I think > > that many Rockhounds might find this information > > useful as well, and many of them might have > > information, stories or photos that I can add to > this > > webpage. > > > > http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx > > > > Thank YOU! Best Always, Dirk...Tokyo > > > > Main Websites with several pages: > > > > www.meteoritesjapan.com > > > > www.insekijapan.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --- drtanuki wrote: > > > >> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: drtanuki > >> Subject: UXO and meteorite/field research hazards > >> page under construction > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, dirk > ross > >> > >> > >> Dear List, > >> I am just back from two weeks of field research > in > >> Laos. This trip has made me determined to create > a > >> page on meteorite/field research hazards. > >> If you are interested in some of the hazards > that > >> you might encounter while hunting meteorites > please > >> take time to look at this page that is under > >> construction; the page will be added to as time > >> permits. If you have information that you would > >> like > >> to provide please let me know. Thank you for > your > >> time. > >> > >> http://meteoritesjapan.com/uxo.aspx > >> > >> Best Always in LIFE, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Alan Goldstein > wrote: > > > >> This was posted on the Geological Society of > America > >> on-line newsletter today > >> > >> Alan > >> > >> Paleontology of the Upper Eocene Florissant > >> Formation, Colorado > >> > >> GSA Member price: $42; Non-member price: $60 > >> > >> Edited by: Herbert W. Meyer & Dena M. Smith > >> > >> Year Published: 2008 > >> > >> Total Pages: 177 > >> > >> ISBN: 9780813724355 > >> > >> Product Code: SPE435 > >> > >> The Upper Eocene Florissant Formation of central > >> Colorado contains an exceptionally preserved, > highly > >> diverse assemblage of fossil plants and insects > >> along with some vertebrates. This volume offers > 11 > >> diverse contributions, including the history of > the > >> paleontological study of the site; new models for > >> the role of biofilms in fossil preservation; the > >> relevance to interpretations of paleoclimate, > >> biogeography, and the Eocene-Oligocene floral > >> transition; plant-insect associations during the > >> Eocene; morphometric approaches to fossil spider > >> identification; a summary of the mammalian fauna; > >> the mineralogical preservation of the fossil > woods > >> and conservation strategies for the petrified > >> forest; and the development of a new database to > >> compile a complete inventory of the fossils and > >> their taxonomy. The volume is partially the > outcome > >> of a GSA symposium that was held during the 2004 > >> annual meeting, and it reports many of the newest > >> advances in our understanding of Florissant > during > >> the past decade. > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > >> Policy: > >> > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rockcurrier at cs.com Mon Mar 31 03:21:58 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Mon Mar 31 02:22:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> We probably should not talk about iron in iron mines because though there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron, unless perhaps broken equipment parts get into the crushers. Most of us understand this but we should probably not promote this usage. Rock From donaldtuttle at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 10:26:48 2008 From: donaldtuttle at hotmail.com (Donald Tuttle) Date: Mon Mar 31 10:30:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: I may not be as dense as Rock Currier here, but there is not any iron in iron mines? Goodness sakes, has anybody told the iron miners that they are just mining rust? Yes, as a mineral collector I know my hematite from a hemostat, my Barringer Crater tetrataeite meteorite fragments from a plugged nickle, but the statement "...there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically puzzled. And about that subject line, how much iron is there in a iron miner, anyway? Inquiring minds, albeit very confused, want to know. Donald L. Tuttle > From: rockcurrier@cs.com > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:21:58 -0800 > Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner > > We probably should not talk about iron in iron mines because though there is > lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron, > unless perhaps broken equipment parts get into the crushers. Most of us > understand this but we should probably not promote this usage. > Rock > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 31 10:59:14 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 31 10:59:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> Message-ID: <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> Donald Tuttle wrote: > > I may not be as dense as Rock Currier here, but there is not any iron in iron mines? Goodness sakes, has anybody told the iron miners that they are just mining rust? Yes, as a mineral collector I know my hematite from a hemostat, my Barringer > Crater tetrataeite meteorite fragments from a plugged nickle, but the statement "...there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically puzzled. And about that subject line, how much iron is there in a iron miner, anyway? Inquiring minds, albeit very confused, want to know. > > Donald L. Tuttle I think he means that there is not free iron as Fe. Iron oxidizes very quickly and easily. Pure native iron is reportedly rare; while it is the 4th most abundant element in the crust, it is nearly always found in compounds such as goethite, ferrihydrite, magnetite, hematite, siderite, and others. The key here is that the compound is important to assessing biological availability. For example, elemental barium is quite unhealthful, but barite is so insoluble that it is used as an imaging contrast medium in diagnosing digestive system problems. Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated. This brings up an important point about terminology and semantics. Rock was correct, though not explicit; the assumption was that the reader would know he meant "free elemental iron" when he said iron. It is implied in the context but perhaps not clear if you don't sense where he is going with the statement. Best, Don From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 11:00:14 2008 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Mon Mar 31 11:00:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <935939.78986.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> They are commonly referred to as typographical errors also as "typos". Clearly you have understandable difficulty reading between the keys(wink). One should not attempt to type and post by Coal Oil Lamplight. Some of this could be caused by an anal retentive spell checker. 1) Change :'"miner" to "mines" 2)Change: "lost" to "lots" 3)Add: an adjective such as metallic, cast, elemental , native, or free and the post is clarified Eman --- Donald Tuttle wrote: "...there is lost of hematite and other iron > minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically > puzzled. From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 31 11:26:42 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 31 11:27:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CA6173E6A5B606-1304-F6D@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> An interesting sideline relating to the iron stuff, in regard to what Don had written, Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated.? A popular?science demonstration is to grind up some breakfast cereal flakes and separate out, with a magnet, the magnetic particles that are added to it as an iron supplement.? I'd been discussing this not too long ago with some science educator friends, especially in regard to what form the iron is in, to be retrievable this way (with a magnet).? I'd looked up things about this (including on product labels and companies' info on websites) and much to my surprise, it is indeed actual metallic iron--fine-grained iron filings--that they add to the cereal.? My initial thought about this had been that it might?have been?magnetite that they add, but I had surmised, correctly I think, that crystalline magnetite would be quite inert and?too slow to dissolve in stomach acid.? In nutrional mineral & vitamin supplements the iron is present in other more soluble forms of iron salts, but in what's added to cereals, although not quite all of the iron filings may dissolve in the stomach, enough does to provide a useful amount of iron.? I was pretty surprised to learn that they do contain just plain old "iron", no adjectivial qualifiers needed. [To have the demonstration work well, one needs to use a breakfast cereal containing a high amount, 100% of the recommended daily allowance, of iron per serving; pulverize a fairly large amount (most of a boxful) in a slurry with water in a blender; and then preferably use an extra-strong magnet to pick up the magnetic particles.] And, just a P.S., about the blood disorder of having the body retain too much iron in one's blood; I have a relative who has that disorder, which I believe is called hemochromatosis, and who has had to have periodic blood removal to keep it under control; but unfortunately, at least in his case, they cannot use those blood samples for transfusions and?they are?just discarded--perhaps because of some related medication he must take. Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: DonH To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner Donald Tuttle wrote:? ? > > I may not be as dense as Rock Currier here, but there is not any iron in iron mines? Goodness sakes, has anybody told the iron miners that they are just mining rust? Yes, as a mineral collector I know my hematite from a hemostat, my Barringer? > Crater tetrataeite meteorite fragments from a plugged nickle, but the statement "...there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically puzzled. And about that subject line, how much iron is there in a iron miner, anyway? Inquiring minds, albeit very confused, want to know.? > > Donald L. Tuttle ? I think he means that there is not free iron as Fe. Iron oxidizes very quickly and easily. Pure native iron is reportedly rare; while it is the 4th most abundant element in the crust, it is nearly always found in compounds such as goethite, ferrihydrite, magnetite, hematite, siderite, and others. The key here is that the compound is important to assessing biological availability. For example, elemental barium is quite unhealthful, but barite is so insoluble that it is used as an imaging contrast medium in diagnosing digestive system problems. Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated.? ? This brings up an important point about terminology and semantics. Rock was correct, though not explicit; the assumption was that the reader would know he meant "free elemental iron" when he said iron. It is implied in the context but perhaps not clear if you don't sense where he is going with the statement.? ? Best,? Don? ? ? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donaldtuttle at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 11:54:57 2008 From: donaldtuttle at hotmail.com (Donald Tuttle) Date: Mon Mar 31 11:55:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: <8CA6173E6A5B606-1304-F6D@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> <8CA6173E6A5B606-1304-F6D@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Pete, for a clear response on an otherwise dull New York day! I sit home here recovering from a busted and surgically repaired left ankle, and letting my fingers do the walking in my inbox, playing grammartarian on the Internet ethers. If I ingested a box of Wheaties with finely-divided magnetite added as a nutritional supplement, would that make me more attractive to the opposite sex? Orjust go bipolar? Donald L. Tuttle > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:26:42 -0400 > From: pmodreski@aol.com > > An interesting sideline relating to the iron stuff, in regard to what Don had written, > > > Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated.? > > > A popular?science demonstration is to grind up some breakfast cereal flakes and separate out, with a magnet, the magnetic particles that are added to it as an iron supplement.? I'd been discussing this not too long ago with some science educator friends, especially in regard to what form the iron is in, to be retrievable this way (with a magnet).? I'd looked up things about this (including on product labels and companies' info on websites) and much to my surprise, it is indeed actual metallic iron--fine-grained iron filings--that they add to the cereal.? My initial thought about this had been that it might?have been?magnetite that they add, but I had surmised, correctly I think, that crystalline magnetite would be quite inert and?too slow to dissolve in stomach acid.? In nutrional mineral & vitamin supplements the iron is present in other more soluble forms of iron salts, but in what's added to cereals, although not quite all of the iron filings may dissolve in the stomach, ! > enough does to provide a useful amount of iron.? I was pretty surprised to learn that they do contain just plain old "iron", no adjectivial qualifiers needed. > > [To have the demonstration work well, one needs to use a breakfast cereal containing a high amount, 100% of the recommended daily allowance, of iron per serving; pulverize a fairly large amount (most of a boxful) in a slurry with water in a blender; and then preferably use an extra-strong magnet to pick up the magnetic particles.] > > And, just a P.S., about the blood disorder of having the body retain too much iron in one's blood; I have a relative who has that disorder, which I believe is called hemochromatosis, and who has had to have periodic blood removal to keep it under control; but unfortunately, at least in his case, they cannot use those blood samples for transfusions and?they are?just discarded--perhaps because of some related medication he must take. > > Pete Modreski > > -----Original Message----- > From: DonH > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59 am > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner > > > Donald Tuttle wrote:? > ? > > > I may not be as dense as Rock Currier here, but there is not any iron in iron mines? Goodness sakes, has anybody told the iron miners that they are just mining rust? Yes, as a mineral collector I know my hematite from a hemostat, my Barringer? > > Crater tetrataeite meteorite fragments from a plugged nickle, but the statement "...there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically puzzled. And about that subject line, how much iron is there in a iron miner, anyway? Inquiring minds, albeit very confused, want to know.? > > > Donald L. Tuttle ? > I think he means that there is not free iron as Fe. Iron oxidizes very quickly and easily. Pure native iron is reportedly rare; while it is the 4th most abundant element in the crust, it is nearly always found in compounds such as goethite, ferrihydrite, magnetite, hematite, siderite, and others. The key here is that the compound is important to assessing biological availability. For example, elemental barium is quite unhealthful, but barite is so insoluble that it is used as an imaging contrast medium in diagnosing digestive system problems. Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated.? > ? > This brings up an important point about terminology and semantics. Rock was correct, though not explicit; the assumption was that the reader would know he meant "free elemental iron" when he said iron. It is implied in the context but perhaps not clear if you don't sense where he is going with the statement.? > ? > Best,? > Don? > ? > ? > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Mon Mar 31 12:03:42 2008 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Mon Mar 31 12:03:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Raleigh, North Carolina Show Message-ID: <47F1358E.9020601@ncmail.net> The Tar Heel Gem & Mineral Club Presents The 32nd Annual Capital Area Gem & MIneral Show Kerr Scott Building, North Carolina State Fairgrounds, Blue Ridge Road, Raleigh, North Carolina April 4th, 5th, & 6th, 2008 Friday April 4th 5:00pm - 9:00pm Saturday April 5th 10:00am - 6:00pm Sunday April 6th 10:00am - 5:00pm Free Admission & Free Parking!! From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Mar 31 15:09:13 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 31 15:13:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: <935939.78986.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <935939.78986.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8937b$da759aa0$6501a8c0@AxelHP> This is what you get when you release an English spellchecker upon a Dutch text. Now, before you shout "off topic" I would state that the Dutch text is in fact a field trip report. So, even if you don't understand a word of it, it is still about rockhounding Persoonlijk wet ilk even eel van mineralogy ales Paris Hilton van enshrouding. Nu jag, mischief well its mere mar torch net veal. The original text is an article which I "ghostwrote" (is that even good American?) for my wife who actually found the find of that day: a tetrahexahedron-shaped fluorite. The Dutch opening line can be translated as: "Personally, I know as much about mineralogy as Paris Hilton knows about abstinence. Oh well, perhaps a little wee bit more". We also say that the earth is mainly made of the elements the elements iron, oxygen, silicon, magnesium, nickel and sulfur. We don't really mean that do we... The moon is made of cheese. Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Mr EMan > Verzonden: maandag 31 maart 2008 19:00 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner > > They are commonly referred to as typographical errors also as > "typos". > Clearly you have understandable difficulty reading between > the keys(wink). > > One should not attempt to type and post by Coal Oil > Lamplight. Some of this could be caused by an anal retentive > spell checker. > > 1) Change :'"miner" to "mines" > > 2)Change: "lost" to "lots" > > 3)Add: an adjective such as metallic, cast, elemental , > native, or free and the post is clarified > > Eman > > --- Donald Tuttle wrote: > > "...there is lost of hematite and other iron > > minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically > > puzzled. > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Mon Mar 31 15:15:59 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Mon Mar 31 15:22:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net><8CA6173E6A5B606-1304-F6D@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <002001c8937c$cc9f5140$6501a8c0@AxelHP> > I sit home here recovering from a busted and surgically > repaired left ankle, and letting my fingers do the walking > in my inbox, playing grammartarian on the Internet ethers. > > If I ingested a box of Wheaties with finely-divided magnetite > added as a nutritional supplement, would that make me more > attractive to the opposite sex? Orjust go bipolar? Calcium is what you need for that ankle! Too much iron will make you magnetic and that is as bipolar as it gets. (I'm told that magnetic monopoles actually exist ;-))) Get well soon Axel From pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 31 16:01:10 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 31 16:04:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: <002001c8937c$cc9f5140$6501a8c0@AxelHP> References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net><8CA6173E6A5B606-1304-F6D@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> <002001c8937c$cc9f5140$6501a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <8CA619A3E4A788A-1304-2E5B@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> P.S., Don, All very good (and wishes for a speedy recovery) but please let's not go repeating the wrong thing?and get it stuck in people's minds, it's CHUNKS OF IRON METAL that's in the cereal, not magnetite! Pete -----Original Message----- From: Axel Emmermann To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 4:15 pm Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner > I sit home here recovering from a busted and surgically > repaired left ankle, and letting my fingers do the walking > in my inbox, playing grammartarian on the Internet ethers. > > If I ingested a box of Wheaties with finely-divided magnetite > added as a nutritional supplement, would that make me more > attractive to the opposite sex? Orjust go bipolar? Calcium is what you need for that ankle! Too much iron will make you magnetic and that is as bipolar as it gets. (I'm told that magnetic monopoles actually exist ;-))) Get well soon Axel -- --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From efkern at earthlink.net Mon Mar 31 16:29:27 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon Mar 31 16:32:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barium / Iron in iron miner References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001701c89387$108440f0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Don H. is right about barium. You haven't lived until you've had a barium enema prior to a lower GI X-ray exam. I don't know if this technique is still used in medicine, as I had mine about 50 years ago. Oxides of iron pass through the digestive tract with very little if any absorbed, since inorganic compounds must be water soluble to be absorbed. Carbonates (siderite and malachite come to mind) can be absorbed due to the hydrochloric acid in our stomach. How much is another topic. Erich Kern Murrieta, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: DonH To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner Donald Tuttle wrote: > > I may not be as dense as Rock Currier here, but there is not any iron in iron mines? Goodness sakes, has anybody told the iron miners that they are just mining rust? Yes, as a mineral collector I know my hematite from a hemostat, my Barringer > Crater tetrataeite meteorite fragments from a plugged nickle, but the statement "...there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically puzzled. And about that subject line, how much iron is there in a iron miner, anyway? Inquiring minds, albeit very confused, want to know. > > Donald L. Tuttle I think he means that there is not free iron as Fe. Iron oxidizes very quickly and easily. Pure native iron is reportedly rare; while it is the 4th most abundant element in the crust, it is nearly always found in compounds such as goethite, ferrihydrite, magnetite, hematite, siderite, and others. The key here is that the compound is important to assessing biological availability. For example, elemental barium is quite unhealthful, but barite is so insoluble that it is used as an imaging contrast medium in diagnosing digestive system problems. Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated. This brings up an important point about terminology and semantics. Rock was correct, though not explicit; the assumption was that the reader would know he meant "free elemental iron" when he said iron. It is implied in the context but perhaps not clear if you don't sense where he is going with the statement. Best, Don -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon Mar 31 17:18:54 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon Mar 31 17:18:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barium / Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: <001701c89387$108440f0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com><002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> <001701c89387$108440f0$6400a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Message-ID: <47F17F6E.4060802@verizon.net> Erich Kern wrote: > > Don H. is right about barium. You haven't lived until you've had a barium enema prior to a lower GI X-ray exam. I had to drink mine for a upper GI. That was bad enough. I was wondering if any nice barite specimens were destroyed in the process if making the drink. (Yes I'd imagine the make the drink from synthetic barium sulfate, but I'm sure natrual barite was a part of the process at some point). Don From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 31 17:53:36 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 31 17:53:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barium / Iron in iron miner Message-ID: Don, Barium cocktails approved by the Friends of Mineralogy all show a little sticker which says, "No mineral specimens were harmed in the prepration of this product". (should I have saved this to post on Apr. 1?) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat Mar 29 19:38:17 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon Mar 31 19:33:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner References: <200803310100.m2V10C4V028110@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <002f01c89319$0ef853c0$6401a8c0@NICHOLAS6> <47F12672.6080306@verizon.net> <8CA6173E6A5B606-1304-F6D@webmail-nf16.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <47F19F08.117B@Tomaszewski.net> Medical iron supplements are usually Iron (II) Sulfate or Iron (III) Hydroxides, but chelated Iron is sometimes used. Side effects are more common with the Sulfate, possibly because the sulfate is the most common form. Most forms of iron found in a mine are not absorbed by humans. The hazard mostly comes from dust. BTW, if you are taking the iron our of your cereal, you need to use a super-magnet. The particles are too small for regular magnets. Kreigh pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > > An interesting sideline relating to the iron stuff, in regard to what Don had written, > > Back to iron--I don't know the impact of ingesting elemental iron vs. ingesting various iron-bearing minerals, but if the acidity and oxidation/reduction potential of the human digestive system is known, then the solubility of iron oxides/hydroxides can be calculated.? > > > enough does to provide a useful amount of iron.? I was pretty surprised to learn that they do contain just plain old "iron", no adjectivial qualifiers needed. > > [To have the demonstration work well, one needs to use a breakfast cereal containing a high amount, 100% of the recommended daily allowance, of iron per serving; pulverize a fairly large amount (most of a boxful) in a slurry with water in a blender; and then preferably use an extra-strong magnet to pick up the magnetic particles.] > > And, just a P.S., about the blood disorder of having the body retain too much iron in one's blood; I have a relative who has that disorder, which I believe is called hemochromatosis, and who has had to have periodic blood removal to keep it under control; but unfortunately, at least in his case, they cannot use those blood samples for transfusions and?they are?just discarded--perhaps because of some related medication he must take. > > Pete Modreski > > -----Original Message----- > From: DonH > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:59 am > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Iron in iron miner > > Donald Tuttle wrote:? > ? > > > I may not be as dense as Rock Currier here, but there is not any iron in iron mines? Goodness sakes, has anybody told the iron miners that they are just mining rust? Yes, as a mineral collector I know my hematite from a hemostat, my Barringer? > > Crater tetrataeite meteorite fragments from a plugged nickle, but the statement "...there is lost of hematite and other iron minerals in iron mines there is not iron" leaves me semantically puzzled. And about that subject line, how much iron is there in a iron miner, anyway? Inquiring minds, albeit very confused, want to know.? > > > Donald L. Tuttle ? > > ? > This brings up an important point about terminology and semantics. Rock was correct, though not explicit; the assumption was that the reader would know he meant "free elemental iron" when he said iron. It is implied in the context but perhaps not clear if you don't sense where he is going with the statement.? > ? > Best,? > Don? > ? > ? > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donaldtuttle at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 20:43:17 2008 From: donaldtuttle at hotmail.com (Donald Tuttle) Date: Mon Mar 31 20:44:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barium / Iron in iron miner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete, >prepration? Good spelling, even on April 1, should not be ignored. Tomorrow, if my ankle feels a little better, I'll relate a story from my undergrad days involving a biocasting experiment gone bad that ended up as "Goshdurnite, loc. unknown" in a mineralogy museum display case. Barium cocktails might be improved if you substitute a (pearl) onion for the olive... Don > From: Pmodreski@aol.com > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:53:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Barium / Iron in iron miner > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Don, > > Barium cocktails approved by the Friends of Mineralogy all show a little > sticker which says, "No mineral specimens were harmed in the prepration of this > product". > > (should I have saved this to post on Apr. 1?) > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Mon Mar 31 20:57:05 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 31 20:57:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Barium / Iron in iron miner Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/2008 9:44:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, donaldtuttle@hotmail.com writes: Pete, >prepration? Good spelling, even on April 1, should not be ignored. I thnk I was jst tryng to save spce by omtting unecessry lttrs, Donld **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html ---