From miolson47 at hotmail.com Thu May 1 19:13:27 2008 From: miolson47 at hotmail.com (marilyn olson) Date: Thu May 1 19:13:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] rockhounding in NY vs. Mass. In-Reply-To: <001301c8ab1f$b3315630$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <627435.59049.qm@web82507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001301c8ab1f$b3315630$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: Thanks to all who have responded to my earlier queries-re: rockhounding in NY. My friend and I have 8 days to rockhound in either NY or Mass. or both. Does anyone have any thoughts about what areas would be easily accessible and good collecting? We are not sure which areas to concentrate on. thanks again Marilyn _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Thu May 1 19:43:50 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Thu May 1 19:43:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] looking for taconite References: <523761.96980.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ee01c8abfe$5a22eba0$d59f324a@marilyn> If you want some of the pellets and are willing to pay shipping not handling I will send you some Steve smtravis@plateautel.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Young" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com:A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] looking for taconite You might be interested in looking at this auction site http://www.auctionmasters.com/auctions_jbs.cfm under Paleontology, Geology, More. I have used them many times but then I have been able to preview before bidding. June Hugo, MN ----- Original Message ---- From: DonH To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:30:59 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] looking for taconite Hi all, This is a group response to all the members who replied. I was originally looking for the ore, not the processed pellets, but now that I think about it, I could use some of the ore concentrate and pellets as well. Here is a Wikipedia link with a photo of the raw material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taconite I will run x-ray diffraction powder pattern on any of the samples. On the raw rock, I will also have a thin section made. If anyone sells me some or all of these, I will provide copies of the analyses. The thin sections cost about $25 to make, so if someone is interested in one of those, I'd negotiate whether they want to take it in trade. If anyone has a specific offer to sell any or all of the rough rock, concentrates, or pellets, contact me off-list. Thanks!!! Don -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From wisoh at msn.com Thu May 1 20:45:52 2008 From: wisoh at msn.com (JAMES BUDNIK) Date: Thu May 1 20:45:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] CINCINNATI, OHIO SHOW THIS WEEKEND References: <523761.96980.qm@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00ee01c8abfe$5a22eba0$d59f324a@marilyn> Message-ID: May 3-4 is the Geofair for Cincinnati, Ohio (43rd Annual Gem, Mineral, Fossil and Jewelry Show). Featuring this year is "American Fossil Treasures" and "American Mineral Treasures". There is free parking and mineral or fossil collection for kids under 12. 45 retail dealer, 6 wholesale dealer and 5 publications for a list go to www.geofair.com. Speakers are Dr. Carl Francis, Dr. Richard Davis, Dr. William Ausich and Jeff Scovil. There is 70 museum, university and private displays of gems, minerals, fossils and jewelry. Family activities are geode cracking, education center (scout merit badge assistance) demonstrations, gold panning and swap area. uniformed Scouts free Adults $7 and kids $2 tow day pass $10 May 3 10 am-6 pm May 4 11 am-5 pm Cincinnati Gardens 2250 Seymour Avenue Cincinnati Ohio Produced by 2 non-profit organization Dry Dredgers amateur paleontologist and fossil collectors www.drydredgers.org Cincinnati Mineral Society amateur mineralogists and mineral collectors www.mineralsociety.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu May 1 21:02:41 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu May 1 21:02:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Up One Side and Down the Other of the Smokies Message-ID: Jeanette and I have a trip planned up one side of the Smokies and down the other May 10 thru 25.Actually we will be driving from Mobile, AL to Hershey, PA and back.We have allowed ourselves about a week each way and plan to rockhound, visit some histerical sites including Gettysburg and others, visit family in Hershey, and maybe tent camp a couple of nights each direction.If you have suggestions for great rockhounding and or other places or sites we must see, please share with us.Maybe we can even meet a couple of ya'll for a short field trip or at least share a meal along the way. We will be traveling in a 4WD Honda Pilot so we can do a bit of light off-roading if we find the right opportunity. So far we have planned stops at Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, New River Gorge in West Virginia, Gettysburg Battlefield, Hershey, New York City, Niagara Falls, the "fossil park" in Pennsylvania, Shenandoah N. Park, Church Hill, Tennessee, Franklin, North Carolina, and Smokey Mountain N. Park. Lots for just 2 weeks, and we can probably work in a couple more. Thanks for your suggestions in advance! Glenn & Jeanette Wimpee _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dlevenseller at yahoo.com Fri May 2 06:13:36 2008 From: dlevenseller at yahoo.com (Mr Byron Levenseller) Date: Fri May 2 06:13:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for rock/gem hunting info for northern California In-Reply-To: <2B7DB8CB-98A7-4C1B-955F-3A691978909E@mlce.net> Message-ID: <318895.52790.qm@web90407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd just like to give a big thank you to everyone that responded to my questions. You all gave my family lots of information and some great ideas. We are already in the planning phase and it looks like it's going to be a great time. Thank you all for taking the time to help out a newbie, David and Family ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From john at mlce.net Fri May 2 08:52:33 2008 From: john at mlce.net (John Dach) Date: Fri May 2 08:51:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for rock/gem hunting info for northern California In-Reply-To: <318895.52790.qm@web90407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <318895.52790.qm@web90407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1E40635C-AF82-4059-AC62-6D4E6EE07022@mlce.net> I can dig that!!!!!!! John Dach On May 2, 2008, at 6:13 AM, Mr Byron Levenseller wrote: > I'd just like to give a big thank you to everyone > that responded to my questions. You all gave my family > lots of information and some great ideas. We are > already in the planning phase and it looks like it's > going to be a great time. > > Thank you all for taking the time to help out a > newbie, > > David and Family > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri May 2 19:24:36 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri May 2 19:08:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) Message-ID: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> Hey List, I'm going to be driving from Grand Rapids, MI, to Denver, CO, arriving on Monday, August 11th. I'll probably be driving back starting Saturday morning. We're planning on two days of driving each way, but could extend the trip out (or back) to three days if there were some really cool places to stop at along the way. We're going to spend a few vacation days with my oldest daughter, and her husband, who moved to Denver (from Kalamazoo) for jobs last summer. I'm looking for rockhounding suggestions for the trip out and back, so I can take a few short breaks from driving. Roadside collecting spots, rock shops, shows, don't miss tourist attractions, chances to meet list members, and the like. While in Denver I expect to be able to spend one full day with my rockhounding hat firmly on my head, and will have the 4WD Astro. Should I split it between museums and collecting, or just focus on one or the other? My wife will be with me, but we may or may not have the kids (the ones that are still at home are teenagers in high school). And if it is to be collecting, what location(s) around Denver should we be considering for our day in the field? BTW, my wife likes collecting rocks that sparkle or look cool, and doesn't care what they are called -- I'm mostly a systematic collector that gets into mineralogy, and likes obscure minerals and type locations; we both love to collect in the field. We just got the dates finalized, so it is time to start planning how to fit rockhounding into the trip. I'm looking for suggestions early so we will have time for research before being forced to decide. Any links, or (detailed) suggestions? Thanks for your help! Kreigh From Owen_S_Kramer at meton.net Fri May 2 20:23:25 2008 From: Owen_S_Kramer at meton.net (Owen Kramer) Date: Fri May 2 20:23:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berlin To Prauge Rockhunting Opportunities Message-ID: <000701c8accd$0ca0b130$25e21390$@net> My wife and I are taking a two week bicycle trip through Elderhostel from Berlin to Prague. We are also going to Kunajov 70 miles south of Prague. This is the ancestral home town that my grandfather and great grandfather was smart enough to leave in the 1870s. Do any of the members know enough of the area to recommend mineral or fossil collecting sites along this Elbe River Valley route? Owen Spencer Kramer Richland, WA No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 8:02 AM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Sat May 3 02:57:03 2008 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Sat May 3 02:57:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berlin To Prauge Rockhunting Opportunities References: <000701c8accd$0ca0b130$25e21390$@net> Message-ID: <481C36EE.C69616FC@gmx.de> Hello, in the area aroun Usti nad Labem there are many localities known for zeolites. Many of them are of historical interest only, nice papers and maps by HIBSCH. It should be worth to look for active basalt quarries etc. The most obvious one is in Usti itself, Marianska quarry. It may be difficult to gain access if you are not speaking Czech language - or even better Russian as many guards come from countries to the east (I visited three years ago). Don't miss the National Museum in Prague. There you will see the best mineral specimens during your trip, I guess. Regards, J?rgen Owen Kramer schrieb: > My wife and I are taking a two week bicycle trip through Elderhostel from > Berlin to Prague. We are also going to Kunajov 70 miles south of Prague. > This is the ancestral home town that my grandfather and great grandfather > was smart enough to leave in the 1870s. Do any of the members know enough > of the area to recommend mineral or fossil collecting sites along this Elbe > River Valley route? > > > > Owen Spencer Kramer > > Richland, WA > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 > 8:02 AM > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Sat May 3 14:26:00 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Sat May 3 14:26:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) In-Reply-To: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: Kreigh, We were out there a couple of years ago and Pete Modreski was able to show us around the USGS facility there. He also directed us to some great collecting spots. I hope you get a chance to meet him. Best part of the trip. My thanks again to Pete! And don't miss the Red & Green Rock Shop if it is still there. We learned about it form posts by Kitty and Bill on this list. Another great stop, and more thanks due to the Hawaiians! Glenn > From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:24:36 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way)> > Hey List,> > I'm going to be driving from Grand Rapids, MI, to Denver, CO, arriving> on Monday, August 11th. I'll probably be driving back starting Saturday> morning. We're planning on two days of driving each way, but could> extend the trip out (or back) to three days if there were some really> cool places to stop at along the way. We're going to spend a few> vacation days with my oldest daughter, and her husband, who moved to> Denver (from Kalamazoo) for jobs last summer.> > I'm looking for rockhounding suggestions for the trip out and back, so I> can take a few short breaks from driving. Roadside collecting spots,> rock shops, shows, don't miss tourist attractions, chances to meet list> members, and the like.> > While in Denver I expect to be able to spend one full day with my> rockhounding hat firmly on my head, and will have the 4WD Astro. Should> I split it between museums and collecting, or just focus on one or the> other? My wife will be with me, but we may or may not have the kids (the> ones that are still at home are teenagers in high school).> > And if it is to be collecting, what location(s) around Denver should we> be considering for our day in the field? BTW, my wife likes collecting> rocks that sparkle or look cool, and doesn't care what they are called> -- I'm mostly a systematic collector that gets into mineralogy, and> likes obscure minerals and type locations; we both love to collect in> the field.> > We just got the dates finalized, so it is time to start planning how to> fit rockhounding into the trip. I'm looking for suggestions early so we> will have time for research before being forced to decide. Any links, or> (detailed) suggestions?> > Thanks for your help!> > Kreigh> > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lavenderfish at cox.net Sat May 3 21:10:18 2008 From: lavenderfish at cox.net (Carol Carter-Wientjes) Date: Sat May 3 21:10:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Infinite Variety of Agatized Dinosaur Bone Poster References: <000701c8accd$0ca0b130$25e21390$@net> <481C36EE.C69616FC@gmx.de> Message-ID: <048001c8ad9c$c38313f0$6601a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> Remember those incredible dino bone photos that someone on the forum sent a link to many weeks ago? I just stumbled onto a poster of it on ebay and thought some of you might be interested in it. It's item 140215572972 or search for The Infinite Variety of Agatized Dinosaur Bone Poster. WoW, it's mind-blowing all over again!! Enjoy :-) CaroL From jerrybs at frii.com Sun May 4 06:27:30 2008 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sun May 4 06:41:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) In-Reply-To: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20080504134108.8CAD46781E@mail.frii.com> No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/08 11:22 AM --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/html text/plain (text body -- kept) --- From jerrybs at frii.com Sun May 4 06:35:29 2008 From: jerrybs at frii.com (jerry) Date: Sun May 4 06:49:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) In-Reply-To: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <20080504134902.D47C467825@mail.frii.com> Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument http://www.nps.gov/flfo/ Denver museum of nature and science www.dmns.org Ashfall Fossil Beds http://ashfall.unl.edu/ University of Nebraska State Museum, also known as Elephant Hall http://www.museum.unl.edu/ A large petrified wood collection http://www.petrifiedwoodgallery.com/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/08 11:22 AM From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun May 4 09:00:43 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun May 4 09:00:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and plac... Message-ID: Hi Kreigh, I'm glad you will be coming to Denver, and I hope I'll get to meet you in person and perhaps go collecting together on those days (and your "one solid collecting day) when you are here. Regardless of whether you take a complete day for field collecting or split a day between museum(s) and collecting, you should for sure visit the Colorado School of Mines geology museum, and also if possible, the Denver Museum of Nature & Science. I'd perhaps make the CSM museum the "for sure" stop, because it's even more convenient to get to (closer to possible collecting places?), free admission, and easy to make just a short stop to visit, as opposed to kind of programming a whole half-day to visit, like DMNS. And the CSM museum has a really first-class mineral collection, especially of Colorado minerals (not that DMNS isn't worth seeing too, of course). Also, the weekend of Aug. 8-10 is the Contin-Tail rock swap in Buena Vista (CO, I hear tell that you CA folks have one of those towns too), "all the local collectors" (including myself) will be out there for that, but I guess it will a little too early for you. But however, there's a consolation prize, the Lake George Mineral Club will be holding its mineral show, an outdoor tailgating event very similar, just slightly scaled down in size, to the Contin-Tail, the next weekend, August 15-17--that when you'll be here, and if you are up for the 100-mi drive to Lake George, it would be a good place to go, perhaps combined with a field trip to the famous Crystal Peak area. (The LGGMC show actually will begin a few days earlier than that, and there may be a field trip being held by them too--I'll get you more info about that, I thought it would be posted on their website already, but it's not yet, they still need to update all their show info.) Back to collecting here, one possibility here is collecting zeolite minerals on North Table Mountain. Good part, it's right next to Golden, & you could easily combine a half-day at the CSM Museum and then up on Table Mountain; down side (?), it's kind of a rough 600-foot climb up the crude trail up the mountain side to get there. Other good possibilities are further away, such as the Crystal Peak area--you've heard of all those pegmatite localities of course, and we can perhaps email further about that. Looking forward to hearing back from you, Kreigh! And much the same applies to anyone else from the List who'll be visiting Colorado--don't pass up the CSM Museum, the DMNS, the Contin-Tail, and Lake George Show, and, give me a call if any of you will ever be in town here! Pete Modreski Denver (actually, Wheat Ridge), Colorado **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Sun May 4 20:14:46 2008 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Sun May 4 20:15:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: The Infinite Variety of Agatized Dinosaur Bone Poster In-Reply-To: <200805050101.m4511eao020757@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200805050101.m4511eao020757@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <20080504200727.A4BF6655@sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net> I had to go back into my bookmarks, but for those that missed it: http://flickr.com/photos/gembone/sets/72157600549999346/ At 09:01 PM 5/4/2008, you wrote: >From: "Carol Carter-Wientjes" >Subject: [Rockhounds] The Infinite Variety of Agatized Dinosaur Bone > Poster >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" >Message-ID: <048001c8ad9c$c38313f0$6601a8c0@YOUR6D949099C0> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Remember those incredible dino bone photos that someone on the forum sent a >link to many weeks ago? I just stumbled onto a poster of it on ebay and >thought some of you might be interested in it. It's item 140215572972 or >search for The Infinite Variety of Agatized Dinosaur Bone Poster. > >WoW, it's mind-blowing all over again!! Enjoy :-) CaroL > Stephen Shimatzki sjs132@accesstoledo.com http://www.shimatzki.com From jabac at hal-pc.org Mon May 5 00:56:25 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Mon May 5 00:56:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) In-Reply-To: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <481EBDA9.3020201@hal-pc.org> Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > Hey List, > > I'm going to be driving from Grand Rapids, MI, to Denver, CO, arriving > on Monday, August 11th. I'll probably be driving back starting Saturday > morning. We're planning on two days of driving each way, but could > extend the trip out (or back) to three days if there were some really > cool places to stop at along the way. We're going to spend a few > vacation days with my oldest daughter, and her husband, who moved to > Denver (from Kalamazoo) for jobs last summer. > > I'm looking for rockhounding suggestions for the trip out and back, so I > can take a few short breaks from driving. Roadside collecting spots, > rock shops, shows, don't miss tourist attractions, chances to meet list > members, and the like. > > Try contacting Bob Loeffler at the North Jeffco Gem and Mineral Club. boblATpeaktopeak.com. He is a member of this list (I'm a member of NoJeffco). The club has a trip planned for Aug 2, and there may be something doing the weeks you are there. john From rocknlight at aol.com Mon May 5 01:33:00 2008 From: rocknlight at aol.com (rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Mon May 5 01:36:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and plac... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA7CA1C247316B-820-6D6E@webmail-nd21.sysops.aol.com> I would go to Castle Rock and stop in to see a GREAT?rock dealer, who has tons of stones. His name is Brian Costigan, of Costigan's Minerals West.? He is polite and professional and has many rock materials to choose from ... You must call to make an appointment -? YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT !! Can't find his number right now, but search the net and if you can't find it, let me know and I'll dig around for it. Make sure to ask Brian what he has in stock and how many pounds of it to choose from, as he sells a lot of rocks ! RocknLight. -----Original Message----- From: Pmodreski@aol.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Sun, 4 May 2008 9:00 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and plac... Hi Kreigh, I'm glad you will be coming to Denver, and I hope I'll get to meet you in person and perhaps go collecting together on those days (and your "one solid collecting day) when you are here. Regardless of whether you take a complete day for field collecting or split a day between museum(s) and collecting, you should for sure visit the Colorado School of Mines geology museum, and also if possible, the Denver Museum of Nature & Science. I'd perhaps make the CSM museum the "for sure" stop, because it's even more convenient to get to (closer to possible collecting places?), free admission, and easy to make just a short stop to visit, as opposed to kind of programming a whole half-day to visit, like DMNS. And the CSM museum has a really first-class mineral collection, especially of Colorado minerals (not that DMNS isn't worth seeing too, of course). Also, the weekend of Aug. 8-10 is the Contin-Tail rock swap in Buena Vista (CO, I hear tell that you CA folks have one of those towns too), "all the local collectors" (including myself) will be out there for that, but I guess it will a little too early for you. But however, there's a consolation prize, the Lake George Mineral Club will be holding its mineral show, an outdoor tailgating event very similar, just slightly scaled down in size, to the Contin-Tail, the next weekend, August 15-17--that when you'll be here, and if you are up for the 100-mi drive to Lake George, it would be a good place to go, perhaps combined with a field trip to the famous Crystal Peak area. (The LGGMC show actually will begin a few days earlier than that, and there may be a field trip being held by them too--I'll get you more info about that, I thought it would be posted on their website already, but it's not yet, they still need to update all their show info.) Back to collecting here, one possibility here is collecting zeolite minerals on North Table Mountain. Good part, it's right next to Golden, & you could easily combine a half-day at the CSM Museum and then up on Table Mountain; down side (?), it's kind of a rough 600-foot climb up the crude trail up the mountain side to get there. Other good possibilities are further away, such as the Crystal Peak area--you've heard of all those pegmatite localities of course, and we can perhaps email further about that. Looking forward to hearing back from you, Kreigh! And much the same applies to anyone else from the List who'll be visiting Colorado--don't pass up the CSM Museum, the DMNS, the Contin-Tail, and Lake George Show, and, give me a call if any of you will ever be in town here! Pete Modreski Denver (actually, Wheat Ridge), Colorado **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Steve.Condon at nysam.org Mon May 5 06:30:16 2008 From: Steve.Condon at nysam.org (Steve.Condon ) Date: Mon May 5 06:37:01 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Up One Side/Penn-Dixie Quarry Message-ID: <200805050930.AA1350238420@nysam.org> "...Jeanette and I have a trip planned up one side of the Smokies and down the other May 10 thru 25.....New York City, Niagara Falls, the "fossil park" in Pennsylvania....Lots for just 2 weeks, and we can probably work in a couple more. Thanks for your suggestions in advance! Glenn & Jeanette Wimpee" == There's a Fossil Park near Niagara Falls in Hamburg, NY that you might like to visit. See: www.penndixie.org Steve From Alpen at aol.com Mon May 5 08:48:53 2008 From: Alpen at aol.com (Alpen@aol.com) Date: Mon May 5 08:49:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Message-ID: Red & Green rock shop is still there. How far out of Denver are you willing to go on that day you plan to spend with your rock hounding hat on? Within 1-2 hours of Denver you can find a variety of things. Based on what I've heard about Pete Modreski, he would be one of the best sources of information. I'd be interested in knowing some of his suggestions too. If petrified wood & jasper are of any interest, there are even some spots within the far SE part of the metro area. South Park, along Hwy 285 has some opportunities for petrified wood & jasper- same thing further south on 285 near Trout Creek Pass. If that is of interest, I can look up more specific directions for you. Eric Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:26:00 -0500 From: Glenn Wimpee Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kreigh, We were out there a couple of years ago and Pete Modreski was able to show us around the USGS facility there. He also directed us to some great collecting spots. I hope you get a chance to meet him. Best part of the trip. My thanks again to Pete! And don't miss the Red & Green Rock Shop if it is still there. We learned about it form posts by Kitty and Bill on this list. Another great stop, and more thanks due to the Hawaiians! Glenn **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From batsondebelfry at yahoo.com Mon May 5 22:41:02 2008 From: batsondebelfry at yahoo.com (Neal Hazen) Date: Mon May 5 22:41:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request Message-ID: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi folks, This elist is the one group I look forward to reading the most. The members of this list have been very helpful to me on several occaisions, and I can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. My wife and I are going up to sourthern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While there, we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good collecting for anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio? Neal Hazen "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." Will Rogers ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rhill at lpl.arizona.edu Mon May 5 23:05:13 2008 From: rhill at lpl.arizona.edu (Rik Hill) Date: Mon May 5 23:06:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request In-Reply-To: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> See my webpage at: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rhill/fossil/sulfur.html -Rik Neal Hazen wrote: > Hi folks, > > This elist is the one group I look forward to reading the most. The members of this list have been very helpful to me on several occaisions, and I can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. My wife and I are going up to sourthern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While there, we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good collecting for anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio? > > Neal Hazen > > > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." > Will Rogers > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From armandoafonso at oniduo.pt Tue May 6 02:03:58 2008 From: armandoafonso at oniduo.pt (Armando Afonso) Date: Tue May 6 02:23:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] ebay nepheline (or is it Aragonite?) References: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c8af5a$c6139a30$62b0fea9@TOSHIBA> Hi all. I noticed that a lot of so-called Nepheline is proposed by chinese dealers in ebay. Judging by the photos only, I would say that it is something very diferent: Aragonite, like the one from Morocco. And that should be a LOT cheaper than crystalized Nepheline, isn?t it? I would appreciate other opinions about this. Thanks. Armando Afonso ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Hazen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:41 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request > Hi folks, > > This elist is the one group I look forward to reading the most. The > members of this list have been very helpful to me on several occaisions, > and I can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. My wife and I > are going up to sourthern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While > there, we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good > collecting for anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, > Illinois, Ohio? > > Neal Hazen > > > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. > Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." > Will Rogers > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From mstreman53 at yahoo.com Tue May 6 06:39:42 2008 From: mstreman53 at yahoo.com (Mr EMan) Date: Tue May 6 06:43:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request OH, IN, IL In-Reply-To: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363730.45854.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Neal The answer to WHERE is look down anywhere. You are going into fossil central! In addition to direct collecting there are a few more attractions in the region that should be included in any trip into the area. Across the river from Louisville, KY is the an incredible fossil site: Falls of the Ohio State Park with our own Alan Goldstein. It is a must see. They do have material trucked in which you can go through. There is something spiritual about walking on an ancient seafloor. The Museum in Cincinnati in in the old train station has collection of local geology and paleontology plus IMAX. Tom Johnson runs House of Phacops in Peeples Ohio which is about 20 minutes east of Cincy near Serpent Mound. It is a great stop off on the way to the Mound which lies on the edge of an ancient impact crater. Tom's shop has some of the largest trilobites ever found. South and East of Cincy is Bigbone Lick State Park. I can't recommend a trip just for the park but it claims to be the birthplace of American Vertebrate Paleontology with connections to Lewis and Clark. Worth a stop off if you happen to be driving by. Seriously, Neal virtually every roadcut in the area yields very highly detailed assemblages of fossils. There is a fluorite district in the region plus a geode project however I know little to nothing about their exact locations. Enjoy the trip. Elton --- On Tue, 5/6/08, Neal Ha zen wrote: > From: Neal Ha zen Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 1:41 AM > Hi folks, > My wife and I are going up to southern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While there, we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good collecting for anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio? Neal Hazen From corson at infodyn.com Tue May 6 20:29:00 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Tue May 6 20:32:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Information Page updated... Message-ID: <012501c8aff2$7e1a2c10$610fa8c0@Grimble> Hi all, I have just updated the Rockhounds page (http://www.infodyn.com/rockhounds/) with a dozen or so new links. Thanks to all of those who patiently waited for me to do so. I get really busy during and after the TGMS show... Anyone else wanting/suggesting links, email me... Cheers, TC ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ From corson at infodyn.com Tue May 6 20:41:54 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Tue May 6 20:42:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? Message-ID: <012601c8aff4$4b6c7820$610fa8c0@Grimble> This email could just as well be titled "A Trip Down Memory Lane".... I will be attending the upcoming Maine Pegmatite Workshop in early June and am planning on spending the week prior in NJ. I was born in NJ and caught the mineralogy/rockhounding bug there when I was about 10 years old (a very long time ago! :-). Some of my first trips as a kid were to Franklin (the Buckwheat), New Street, and Sayreville (for Marcasite). I left NJ at 18 to go to college and never returned. Hence, I haven't collected in NJ since I was about 16 years old, but it's minerals have always held a special place in my heart. Any information that you folks have for me on current collecting opportunities/ideas would be most appreciated. I am going to do the obvious things like go to both the Franklin and Sterling Hill museums, but what I really want to do is some serious collecting. I will be in NJ from Memorial Day (5/26) through that Thursday (5/29). Thanks in advance, TC ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ From rocknate at gmail.com Wed May 7 04:51:21 2008 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Wed May 7 04:53:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request In-Reply-To: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Neal, Hueston Woods State Park in Ohio (north of Cincinatti) has a good assortment of fossil shells and the last time I was there you could get a map showing recommended collecting areas at the entrance station. However, any stream bed in the park will provide more material than you can carry. In Indiana there is a roadcut on Route 56 near Salem that has plentiful geodes with dolomite, calcite and quartz crystals. I stopped there last October on my way home from a trip to the Eureka Mine in western KY. Good luck with your trip! Nate Martin Lexington, MA On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Neal Hazen wrote: > Hi folks, > > This elist is the one group I look forward to reading the most. The > members of this list have been very helpful to me on several occaisions, and > I can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. My wife and I are > going up to sourthern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While there, > we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good collecting for > anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio? > > Neal Hazen > > > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. > Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." > Will Rogers > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Wed May 7 07:40:23 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Wed May 7 07:40:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16495.72355.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There's also a roadcut south of Bloomington, IN, near Harrodsburg, that has geodes, many with millerite. Jim Daly Nathan Martin wrote: Neal, Hueston Woods State Park in Ohio (north of Cincinatti) has a good assortment of fossil shells and the last time I was there you could get a map showing recommended collecting areas at the entrance station. However, any stream bed in the park will provide more material than you can carry. In Indiana there is a roadcut on Route 56 near Salem that has plentiful geodes with dolomite, calcite and quartz crystals. I stopped there last October on my way home from a trip to the Eureka Mine in western KY. Good luck with your trip! Nate Martin Lexington, MA On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Neal Hazen wrote: > Hi folks, > > This elist is the one group I look forward to reading the most. The > members of this list have been very helpful to me on several occaisions, and > I can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. My wife and I are > going up to sourthern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While there, > we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good collecting for > anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio? > > Neal Hazen > > > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. > Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." > Will Rogers > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed May 7 17:48:32 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed May 7 17:48:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Up One Side/Penn-Dixie Quarry In-Reply-To: <200805050930.AA1350238420@nysam.org> References: <200805050930.AA1350238420@nysam.org> Message-ID: I looked at the site. It is right up my alley. Trilobites! And more fossils! They are only open on Saturdays right now. We'll make it if we can. Thanks a bunch! Glenn > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:30:16 -0400> From: Steve.Condon@nysam.org> CC: pawpawtiger@hotmail.com> Subject: Up One Side/Penn-Dixie Quarry> > "...Jeanette and I have a trip planned up one side of the Smokies and down the other May 10 thru 25.....New York City, Niagara Falls, the "fossil park" in Pennsylvania....Lots for just 2 weeks, and we can probably work in a couple more. Thanks for your suggestions in advance! > Glenn & Jeanette Wimpee"> ==> There's a Fossil Park near Niagara Falls in Hamburg, NY that you might like to visit.> See:> www.penndixie.org> Steve> > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed May 7 17:57:11 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed May 7 17:57:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request OH, IN, IL In-Reply-To: <363730.45854.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <363730.45854.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We may be able to get by there Monday or Tuesday May 12 or 13. Anybody available for a short visit? Alan? Are you near there Elton? Neal, when are you & Karen going through there? Anyone? Yup, I'm all excited as the trip gets closer. Glenn & Jeanette > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:39:42 -0700> From: mstreman53@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request OH, IN, IL> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Hello Neal > The answer to WHERE is look down anywhere. You are going into fossil central! In addition to direct collecting there are a few more attractions in the region that should be included in any trip into the area.> > Across the river from Louisville, KY is the an incredible fossil site: Falls of the Ohio State Park with our own Alan Goldstein. It is a must see. They do have material trucked in which you can go through. There is something spiritual about walking on an ancient seafloor. > > The Museum in Cincinnati in in the old train station has collection of local geology and paleontology plus IMAX.> > Tom Johnson runs House of Phacops in Peeples Ohio which is about 20 minutes east of Cincy near Serpent Mound. It is a great stop off on the way to the Mound which lies on the edge of an ancient impact crater. Tom's shop has some of the largest trilobites ever found.> > South and East of Cincy is Bigbone Lick State Park. I can't recommend a trip just for the park but it claims to be the birthplace of American Vertebrate Paleontology with connections to Lewis and Clark. Worth a stop off if you happen to be driving by.> > Seriously, Neal virtually every roadcut in the area yields very highly detailed assemblages of fossils. There is a fluorite district in the region plus a geode project however I know little to nothing about their exact locations.> > Enjoy the trip.> > Elton> > --- On Tue, 5/6/08, Neal Ha zen wrote:> > > From: Neal Ha zen > Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 1:41 AM> > Hi folks,> > > My wife and I are going up to southern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While there, we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good collecting for anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio?> > Neal Hazen> > -- _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed May 7 19:19:53 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed May 7 19:17:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request OH, IN, IL References: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <363730.45854.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4822628A.3A9E@Tomaszewski.net> Hi Glenn, There is a roadcut on US-27, at the 19 mile marker (near Ohio), just outside Richmond, IN, that exposes about 100 yards of (Middle?) Ordovican fossils. It is the best fossil site I have run across as a mineral collector. It is the only fossil site I have revisited by choice, and I wouldn't mind stopping by again if I am within a couple hour sidetrip or detour. I hope your route goes near it. Kreigh Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > We may be able to get by there Monday or Tuesday May 12 or 13. > > Anybody available for a short visit? > > Alan? > > Are you near there Elton? > > Neal, when are you & Karen going through there? > > Anyone? > > Yup, I'm all excited as the trip gets closer. > Glenn & Jeanette > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Free (PRODUCT) RED? Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. > http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=TXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From AFunWench at aol.com Wed May 7 20:06:29 2008 From: AFunWench at aol.com (AFunWench@aol.com) Date: Wed May 7 20:06:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 48, Issue 7 Message-ID: RE: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request OH Hi Glenn & Jeanette! My name is Meade, my first post here. Elton's my rock/fossil hunting buddy, but not available during your dates. HOWEVER, the good news is, I live just outside of Cinci, and am available those dates, should you care to do the local "tour". Please contact me off list, and we might coordinate a field trip or two to the sites he listed for you! They all radiate outward, from my central location, an hour or less. Meade Newport, KY **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Thu May 8 08:30:09 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Thu May 8 08:30:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales Message-ID: <344866.84075.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's time for the monthly update to the price lists on www.sauktown.com This month's new additions include 4 species from the type locality: Laurionite, Thorikosite, Teruggite and Zeamannite. The Dryer list has a specimen from a locality that has me baffled- "Carlysle Island, Arctic Circle". That's all the information on the label, and I can't locate it. Can anyone shed any light on this one? Jim Daly Sauktown Sales www.sauktown.com orders@sauktown.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From dr00bert at gmail.com Thu May 8 08:36:52 2008 From: dr00bert at gmail.com (Drew) Date: Thu May 8 08:36:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: Microminerals from Sauktown Sales In-Reply-To: <344866.84075.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <344866.84075.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7aac8040805080836j65201349o310398c486a496cd@mail.gmail.com> Maybe Carlisle Island? That comes up with some hits... Drew On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Jim Daly wrote: > It's time for the monthly update to the price lists on www.sauktown.com > This month's new additions include 4 species from the type locality: > Laurionite, Thorikosite, Teruggite and Zeamannite. > The Dryer list has a specimen from a locality that has me baffled- > "Carlysle Island, Arctic Circle". That's all the information on the label, > and I can't locate it. Can anyone shed any light on this one? > Jim Daly > Sauktown Sales > www.sauktown.com > orders@sauktown.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From territoones1 at ameritech.net Thu May 8 17:59:16 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Thu May 8 17:59:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request In-Reply-To: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have a very good webpage. It was very interesting. Teri Jetter --- Rik Hill wrote: > See my webpage at: > > http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rhill/fossil/sulfur.html > > -Rik > > > > > Neal Hazen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > This elist is the one group I look forward to > reading the most. The members of this list have been > very helpful to me on several occaisions, and I > can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. > My wife and I are going up to sourthern Indiana in > two weeks to visit relatives. While there, we will > collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good > collecting for anything else in the southern > portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio? > > > > Neal Hazen > > > > > > > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others > learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the > electric fence for ourselves." > > Will Rogers > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Thu May 8 18:45:57 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Thu May 8 18:46:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request / Clement Museum Show info References: <488115.31300.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01c8b176$6cfa2810$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Neal, Check out the collecting locality list under the "Visitor Info" button at the Falls of the Ohio State Park website www.fallsoftheohio.org. It lists 13 collecting sites in Indiana and Kentucky. We have three piles behind the Interpretive Center - Waldron shale (Atkins Quarry), Devonian fossils in residdual soil (Cooper Lane quarry), and fluorite, sphalerite, etc. from the Rosiclare (Illinois) mill. The quarries do not let in visitors and the Rosiclare site is now off-limits to collectors. If you go to southern Illinois, take the ferry at Cave in Rock to Marion, KY and visit the Clement Mineral Museum. You will need to contact them (beclement@kynet.biz) to find out if any dig sites are available and if the museum is open. The 3rd annual Clement Museum Show and Dig will be held June 7 & 8. I certainly encourage anyone who can make it to visit the area that weekend. They have more collecting sites open than under normal weekend program schedules. They hope to have the Memphis fluorite mine dumps dug for the first time ever. I don't know if they'll run groups to the new celestine locality, but it is a possibility. I'll be there. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Hazen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request > Hi folks, > > This elist is the one group I look forward to reading the most. The > members of this list have been very helpful to me on several occaisions, > and I can't thank you enough. Now I have another request. My wife and I > are going up to sourthern Indiana in two weeks to visit relatives. While > there, we will collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good > collecting for anything else in the southern portions of Indiana, > Illinois, Ohio? > > Neal Hazen > > > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. > Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." > Will Rogers > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Thu May 8 19:47:11 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Thu May 8 19:47:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Collecting sites request In-Reply-To: <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like it also! Glenn > Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:59:16 -0700> From: territoones1@ameritech.net> > You have a very good webpage.> It was very interesting.> > Teri Jetter > --- Rik Hill wrote:> > > See my webpage at:> > > > http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rhill/fossil/sulfur.html> > > > -Rik> > > > > > > > Neal Hazen wrote:> > > Hi folks,> > >> > > This elist is the one group I look forward to> > reading the most. The members of this list have been> > very helpful to me on several occaisions, and I> > can't thank you enough. Now I have another request.> > My wife and I are going up to sourthern Indiana in> > two weeks to visit relatives. While there, we will> > collect some fossils, but wonder if there is good> > collecting for anything else in the southern> > portions of Indiana, Illinois, Ohio?> > > > > > Neal Hazen> > >> > >> > >> > > "Some people learn through reading. A few others> > learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the> > electric fence for ourselves."> > > Will Rogers> > > _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu May 8 21:58:55 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Thu May 8 22:00:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and we're driving to Montana to help them celebrate. The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd be cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I have no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. Anybody got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone know what something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a cool idea :) I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can think of a reason it would be of interest to others. Thanks for any direction... Julie From nospam at orerockon.com Thu May 8 22:27:46 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu May 8 22:27:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Museum GEL In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20080421160402.03569d10@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080508222618.037ca400@orerockon.com> Has anyone had experience with this? http://www.alwaysbrilliant.com/aa/aspx-products/PID-36/PD-20033/bb/Museum+Gel.htm I am looking at ways to support spheres "invisibly" (yes I have the clear plastic rings. I just don't trust them). Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Thu May 8 22:32:01 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Thu May 8 22:33:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> BTW - we're driving from northern Idaho to central Montana (Lewistown) so any collecting site suggestions along the way would be appreciated. We expect to hit Crystal Peak for quartz, Calvert Hill for epidote and Butte for barite on the way back. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. > John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and we're > driving to Montana to help them celebrate. > > The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd be > cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I > have no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. > Anybody got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone > know what something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though > I'm suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a > cool idea :) > > I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, > definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. > > Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can think > of a reason it would be of interest to others. > > Thanks for any direction... > > Julie > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jaybates at rcn.com Fri May 9 08:23:36 2008 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Fri May 9 08:25:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Museum GEL In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20080508222618.037ca400@orerockon.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20080421160402.03569d10@orerockon.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20080508222618.037ca400@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <48246C78.9000405@rcn.com> Tim we use it all the time in the San Francisco Bay area. I have used it under a spheres collection in a show case with the spheres sitting on pieces of petrified wood. If the spheres were not well balanced they would tend to slowly work there way to the edge, flowing through the putty, and fall off. It works fine on a flat surface. Jay Tim Fisher wrote: > Has anyone had experience with this? > > http://www.alwaysbrilliant.com/aa/aspx-products/PID-36/PD-20033/bb/Museum+Gel.htm > > > I am looking at ways to support spheres "invisibly" (yes I have the > clear plastic rings. I just don't trust them). > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Fri May 9 10:38:41 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Fri May 9 10:38:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. In-Reply-To: <005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> Hi Julie, If "in a few weeks" means early June, you will probably be ok on the locations you list, but snow might be a problem earlier and possibly even then. The road to Calvert Hill is often closed early after the snow melts off because its soft and breaks up. If you meant Crystal Park (not Crystal Peak), then that's at nearly 8,000 feet and may still have snow, but I believe you've been there and know that area. If by "Crystal Peak" you mean the "beta" quartz area on Judith Peak north of Lewistown, then that road may still be closed by snow in early June. Another locality to check is along Arrow Creek, 20 miles north of Stanford (45 miles west of Lewistown). The cuts of Bear Paw shale are accessible from the highway on the south side of the creek. The highway drops down a steep grade to the valley of the creek, and best exposures are near the bottom of the grade. Much like these shales elsewhere in Montana, there are a lot of nodules full of fossils (oysters, clams, etc.) and sometimes they are septarians lined with yellow calcite crystals and occasionally those scarce golden barite crystals. Of course, there are a lot more exposures of the shale in this region from Stanford to Lewistown and off to the north and east. Most of it is private ranch land, but there are nodules in roadcuts and on BLM land too. Regards, Lanny On May 8, 2008, at 10:32 PM, John Siebel wrote: > BTW - we're driving from northern Idaho to central Montana > (Lewistown) so any collecting site suggestions along the way would > be appreciated. We expect to hit Crystal Peak for quartz, Calvert > Hill for epidote and Butte for barite on the way back. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Siebel" > > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced > mineral sample. > > >> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and >> we're driving to Montana to help them celebrate. >> >> The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought >> it'd be cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be >> ideal, but I have no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that >> included a bit of gold. Anybody got an idea of where I'd find >> something cool like that, and anyone know what something like this >> might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm suspecting we >> won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a cool idea :) >> >> I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably >> old, definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. >> >> Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you >> can think of a reason it would be of interest to others. >> >> Thanks for any direction... >> >> Julie >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com Fri May 9 10:43:25 2008 From: mp44sturm-rocks at yahoo.com (Sandra B. Gee) Date: Fri May 9 10:43:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Museum GEL In-Reply-To: <48246C78.9000405@rcn.com> Message-ID: <564353.56311.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jay, I used it once for displaying a miniature sized fluorite specimen. My acrylic base had some pegs to hold up the specimen and I decided to use the Museum Gel as extra support. I found that the stuff comes out of the jar as a goo but then over time, it "self leveled" and becomes a thin film of clear goo on the acrylic base I had the fluorite on. Based on this one experience, I think this product would work better in a situation where you had some sort of "well" to contain the product or else it flattens out. It is by no means in the same category as that now blue (once white) mineral putty with respect to ablility to support, say, a thin aquamarine floater crystal all on its own. Sandra. --- jaybates wrote: > Tim we use it all the time in the San Francisco Bay > area. I have used it > under a spheres collection in a show case with the > spheres sitting on > pieces of petrified wood. If the spheres were not > well balanced they > would tend to slowly work there way to the edge, > flowing through the > putty, and fall off. It works fine on a flat > surface. Jay > > Tim Fisher wrote: > > Has anyone had experience with this? > > > > > http://www.alwaysbrilliant.com/aa/aspx-products/PID-36/PD-20033/bb/Museum+Gel.htm > > > > > > > I am looking at ways to support spheres > "invisibly" (yes I have the > > clear plastic rings. I just don't trust them). > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On! > > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jaybates at rcn.com Fri May 9 10:53:13 2008 From: jaybates at rcn.com (jaybates) Date: Fri May 9 10:54:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Museum GEL In-Reply-To: <564353.56311.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <564353.56311.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48248F89.30005@rcn.com> I was using the putty not the gel. I don't have any experience with the gel. Sandra B. Gee wrote: > Jay, > > I used it once for displaying a miniature sized > fluorite specimen. My acrylic base had some pegs to > hold up the specimen and I decided to use the Museum > Gel as extra support. I found that the stuff comes > out of the jar as a goo but then over time, it "self > leveled" and becomes a thin film of clear goo on the > acrylic base I had the fluorite on. > > Based on this one experience, I think this product > would work better in a situation where you had some > sort of "well" to contain the product or else it > flattens out. It is by no means in the same category > as that now blue (once white) mineral putty with > respect to ablility to support, say, a thin aquamarine > floater crystal all on its own. > > Sandra. > > > > --- jaybates wrote: > > >> Tim we use it all the time in the San Francisco Bay >> area. I have used it >> under a spheres collection in a show case with the >> spheres sitting on >> pieces of petrified wood. If the spheres were not >> well balanced they >> would tend to slowly work there way to the edge, >> flowing through the >> putty, and fall off. It works fine on a flat >> surface. Jay >> >> Tim Fisher wrote: >> >>> Has anyone had experience with this? >>> >>> >>> > http://www.alwaysbrilliant.com/aa/aspx-products/PID-36/PD-20033/bb/Museum+Gel.htm > >>> I am looking at ways to support spheres >>> >> "invisibly" (yes I have the >> >>> clear plastic rings. I just don't trust them). >>> >>> >>> Tim Fisher >>> Ore-ROCK-On! >>> Email address at http://OreRockOn.com >>> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >> Policy: >> >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri May 9 12:01:25 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri May 9 12:02:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c8b207$1a6b3d50$0300a8c0@warren> lol - Yeah, John meant Crystal Park. We have a "Crystal Peak" (with no apparent crystals) about 8 miles from here, and so we get 'em mixed up. Tentative plans are for leaving for Lewistown on May 29, stop in Bozeman over night, and hit Lewistown on the 30th...that'll be mostly freeway, just to get to Lewistown. We'll be there for a couple of days, helping with an anniversary party, then leave to go rockhounding on June 2nd, though - say - June 8th or 9th. I wondered about the snow up at Crystal Park, but I didn't even think about Calvert Hill. Duh - heavy snow year and Calvert Hill is over 7700 feet. Hoping that since it's further south, it's melting earlier! lol Wonder how you'd find out? I really hope it's open...it's a great place to camp! We went up in the Judith Peak area on one visit, but I don't recall we found anything. On the other hand, it was one of our very first rockhounding trips, so we really didn't know what we were looking for. The place we're going for the party is on a biiiggg ranch near Grassrange. Haven't found much on the ranch itself, but there's some great stuff along the highway there. Maybe we'll go Grassrange/Lewiston/Stanford/etc. as we head toward Crystal Park. Thanks, Lanny Wow, I'm looking forward to this. It's been a.loonnnng winter - our daffodils finally bloomed last Sunday - and I've been going stir crazy. (Plus, I lost 40+ pounds over the winter and so ought to be able to scramble up and down those hills again ;-) Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral sample. > Hi Julie, > > If "in a few weeks" means early June, you will probably be ok on the > locations you list, but snow might be a problem earlier and possibly even > then. The road to Calvert Hill is often closed early after the snow melts > off because its soft and breaks up. If you meant Crystal Park (not > Crystal Peak), then that's at nearly 8,000 feet and may still have snow, > but I believe you've been there and know that area. If by "Crystal Peak" > you mean the "beta" quartz area on Judith Peak north of Lewistown, then > that road may still be closed by snow in early June. > > Another locality to check is along Arrow Creek, 20 miles north of > Stanford (45 miles west of Lewistown). The cuts of Bear Paw shale are > accessible from the highway on the south side of the creek. The highway > drops down a steep grade to the valley of the creek, and best exposures > are near the bottom of the grade. Much like these shales elsewhere in > Montana, there are a lot of nodules full of fossils (oysters, clams, > etc.) and sometimes they are septarians lined with yellow calcite > crystals and occasionally those scarce golden barite crystals. Of course, > there are a lot more exposures of the shale in this region from Stanford > to Lewistown and off to the north and east. Most of it is private ranch > land, but there are nodules in roadcuts and on BLM land too. > > Regards, > > Lanny > > > > > > On May 8, 2008, at 10:32 PM, John Siebel wrote: > >> BTW - we're driving from northern Idaho to central Montana (Lewistown) >> so any collecting site suggestions along the way would be appreciated. >> We expect to hit Crystal Peak for quartz, Calvert Hill for epidote and >> Butte for barite on the way back. >> >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Siebel" >> > > >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral >> sample. >> >> >>> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and >>> we're driving to Montana to help them celebrate. >>> >>> The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd >>> be cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but >>> I have no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of >>> gold. Anybody got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, >>> and anyone know what something like this might cost? I've got no clue >>> on cost, though I'm suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it >>> just sounded like a cool idea :) >>> >>> I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, >>> definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. >>> >>> Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can >>> think of a reason it would be of interest to others. >>> >>> Thanks for any direction... >>> >>> Julie >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From nospam at orerockon.com Fri May 9 12:32:59 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Fri May 9 12:33:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. In-Reply-To: <00aa01c8b207$1a6b3d50$0300a8c0@warren> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> <00aa01c8b207$1a6b3d50$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080509123108.035c2c10@orerockon.com> There is a fee dig near Crystal Peak for quartz run by a miner from Clarkia(?). Lanny knows more. At 12:01 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: lol - Yeah, John meant Crystal Park. We have a {quot}Crystal Peak{quot} (with no apparent crystals) about 8 miles from here, and so we get 'em mixed up. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri May 9 13:07:35 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri May 9 13:09:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> I just found this link that lists snowpack for Montana: ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/mt.txt I took a guess and figured if you changed "mt.txt" to "id.txt" (for Idaho) or "wy.txt" (for Wyoming) or whatever snowy state you want to go rockhounding in and wonder where the snow is at, it will show the data for that state as well. Neat. Works great for Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and Oregon - didn't test any further. Now if I can just figure out which of those 60 or so locations is closest to Calvert Hill and Crystal Park... Julie From mineral.maertens at att.net Fri May 9 14:39:19 2008 From: mineral.maertens at att.net (Johan) Date: Fri May 9 14:42:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? In-Reply-To: <200805080103.m4813rU1009247@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <050920082139.28080.4824C4870002F7AF00006DB022243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C020A9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> You can collect for fee at the Franklin (Buckwheat) and Sterling Hill area musea. They always have fresh and real rocks with fluorescent minerals. Check the internet for both locations. All other locations are private and require cumbersome access requests ... if you were to get in these quarries. I will be away that week. Could have taken you to a real 'public' collecting place for trap rock minerals. -- Johan Maertens From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri May 9 14:38:54 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri May 9 14:42:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Guide to Montana - 2nd Edition References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8b21d$21726540$0300a8c0@warren> Has anyone looked at the **second edition** of The Rockhound's Guide to Montana? (Robert Feldman/Montana Hodges, published 2006) We have the 1985 version, but it's old and some of the maps are are inaccurate and some are vague. And of course, because it's a 23 year old book, it's missing a lot of closures. Anyone have this book? Is it worth buying if I already have the first edition? Thanks, Julie From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri May 9 16:12:57 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri May 9 16:10:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <4824D9D9.4F63@Tomaszewski.net> http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com has lots of nuggets for sale. Found them with a quick google search. Kreigh Julie Siebel wrote: > > John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and we're > driving to Montana to help them celebrate. > > The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd be > cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I have > no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. Anybody > got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone know what > something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm > suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a cool > idea :) > > I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, > definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. > > Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can think > of a reason it would be of interest to others. > > Thanks for any direction... > > Julie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri May 9 16:16:28 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri May 9 16:20:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <4824D9D9.4F63@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <003b01c8b22a$b9cc8ca0$0300a8c0@warren> Hey, thanks, Kreigh. I've found lots of nuggets. I'm looking for more of a mineral specimen that includes gold. lol - I know we have some gold specks in quartzite or something around here somewhere, but I've not got a clue where! In searching for something different on the internet, I ran into some *gorgeous* specimens, but they were $2500-$3000. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral sample. > http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com has lots of nuggets for sale. > Found them with a quick google search. > > Kreigh > > > Julie Siebel wrote: >> >> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and we're >> driving to Montana to help them celebrate. >> >> The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd be >> cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I >> have >> no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. >> Anybody >> got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone know >> what >> something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm >> suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a cool >> idea :) >> >> I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, >> definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. >> >> Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can >> think >> of a reason it would be of interest to others. >> >> Thanks for any direction... >> >> Julie >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri May 9 16:52:48 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri May 9 16:54:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><4824D9D9.4F63@Tomaszewski.net> <003b01c8b22a$b9cc8ca0$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <004201c8b22f$d1d16ff0$0300a8c0@warren> Hah! I think I figured out what I'm going to do... It's a lot easier to find a cool micro, so I'll get 'em a micro and a decent loupe. I've been running across some pretty good gold micromounts for $6-$25...at that price, I could get 'em two. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Siebel" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral sample. > Hey, thanks, Kreigh. I've found lots of nuggets. I'm looking for more of a > mineral specimen that includes gold. > > lol - I know we have some gold specks in quartzite or something around > here somewhere, but I've not got a clue where! > > In searching for something different on the internet, I ran into some > *gorgeous* specimens, but they were $2500-$3000. > > Julie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral > sample. > > >> http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com has lots of nuggets for sale. >> Found them with a quick google search. >> >> Kreigh >> >> >> Julie Siebel wrote: >>> >>> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and we're >>> driving to Montana to help them celebrate. >>> >>> The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd be >>> cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I >>> have >>> no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. >>> Anybody >>> got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone know >>> what >>> something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm >>> suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a >>> cool >>> idea :) >>> >>> I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, >>> definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. >>> >>> Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can >>> think >>> of a reason it would be of interest to others. >>> >>> Thanks for any direction... >>> >>> Julie >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>> Subscription Services: >>> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >>> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri May 9 17:28:02 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri May 9 17:28:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <4824D9D9.4F63@Tomaszewski.net> <003b01c8b22a$b9cc8ca0$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <4824EC0B.1BAD@Tomaszewski.net> Try eurekagems.com (another google search) for slabs of gold in quartz. Rob Lavinsky also has some nice gold. www.irocks.com, Click on new specimens, then use the search engine to look for mineral = gold. Specimens from $175 to $16K on the first of four pages I looked at. Julie Siebel wrote: > > Hey, thanks, Kreigh. I've found lots of nuggets. I'm looking for more of a > mineral specimen that includes gold. > > lol - I know we have some gold specks in quartzite or something around here > somewhere, but I've not got a clue where! > > In searching for something different on the internet, I ran into some > *gorgeous* specimens, but they were $2500-$3000. > > Julie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral > sample. > > > http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com has lots of nuggets for sale. > > Found them with a quick google search. > > > > Kreigh > > > > > > Julie Siebel wrote: > >> > >> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and we're > >> driving to Montana to help them celebrate. > >> > >> The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd be > >> cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I > >> have > >> no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. > >> Anybody > >> got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone know > >> what > >> something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm > >> suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a cool > >> idea :) > >> > >> I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, > >> definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. > >> > >> Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can > >> think > >> of a reason it would be of interest to others. > >> > >> Thanks for any direction... > >> > >> Julie > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Fri May 9 17:40:55 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Fri May 9 17:42:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <4824D9D9.4F63@Tomaszewski.net><003b01c8b22a$b9cc8ca0$0300a8c0@warren> <4824EC0B.1BAD@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <006001c8b236$9a0bc5a0$0300a8c0@warren> Wow, some cool stuff there! I'm tryin' to keep it under $100 (hence just a little bit of gold) so I think we'll probably go with micros. (My other problem is that if I got one of those puppies from irocks.com, I think I'd want to keep it, not give it away :) Thanks! I'm bookmarking 'em. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral sample. > Try eurekagems.com (another google search) for slabs of gold in quartz. > > Rob Lavinsky also has some nice gold. www.irocks.com, Click on new > specimens, then use the search engine to look for mineral = gold. > Specimens from $175 to $16K on the first of four pages I looked at. > > > Julie Siebel wrote: >> >> Hey, thanks, Kreigh. I've found lots of nuggets. I'm looking for more of >> a >> mineral specimen that includes gold. >> >> lol - I know we have some gold specks in quartzite or something around >> here >> somewhere, but I've not got a clue where! >> >> In searching for something different on the internet, I ran into some >> *gorgeous* specimens, but they were $2500-$3000. >> >> Julie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kreigh Tomaszewski" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small,reasonably priced mineral >> sample. >> >> > http://store.goldfeverprospecting.com has lots of nuggets for sale. >> > Found them with a quick google search. >> > >> > Kreigh >> > >> > >> > Julie Siebel wrote: >> >> >> >> John's Sis is celebrating her 50th anniversary in a few weeks, and >> >> we're >> >> driving to Montana to help them celebrate. >> >> >> >> The "traditional gift" for a 50th anniversary is gold. I thought it'd >> >> be >> >> cool to give them a tiny, old (collected in 1958 would be ideal, but I >> >> have >> >> no hope of that - lol) mineral sample that included a bit of gold. >> >> Anybody >> >> got an idea of where I'd find something cool like that, and anyone >> >> know >> >> what >> >> something like this might cost? I've got no clue on cost, though I'm >> >> suspecting we won't be able to do this! lol - it just sounded like a >> >> cool >> >> idea :) >> >> >> >> I'm not overly particular, just something interesting, preferably old, >> >> definitely with a collection date, that includes gold. >> >> >> >> Probably this would be a good "reply off list" thing, unless you can >> >> think >> >> of a reason it would be of interest to others. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any direction... >> >> >> >> Julie >> >> >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> >> Subscription Services: >> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> > Subscription Services: >> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri May 9 22:02:48 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Fri May 9 22:07:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Rockhounds Guide to Montana - 2nd Edition In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b21d$21726540$0300a8c0@warren> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> <000c01c8b21d$21726540$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <48252C78.4060309@hal-pc.org> Julie Siebel wrote: > Has anyone looked at the **second edition** of The Rockhound's Guide > to Montana? (Robert Feldman/Montana Hodges, published 2006) > > We have the 1985 version, but it's old and some of the maps are are > inaccurate and some are vague. And of course, because it's a 23 year > old book, it's missing a lot of closures. > > Anyone have this book? Is it worth buying if I already have the first > edition? > > Thanks, > > Julie > Yes! The 2nd Edition is completely different from the first and is very good. Montana Hodges knows of which she speaks and has visited all of the sites in the book. She is also a pretty good rockhound. I used the book a lot on my trip to MT last August. john From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sat May 10 10:32:48 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sat May 10 10:32:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... In-Reply-To: <00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: Hi Julie, Thanks for the Snotel files. I checked where the sites were located by going to the Snotel web site and map, for Montana: http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/snotel/Montana/montana.html On the text file you are using, look under "Missouri Headwaters." Calvert Creek is listed. From looking at the web site for the Snotel individual sites, I see that the measuring site is on the Calvert Creek that is about a dozen miles west of Calvert Hill. There also is a Calvert Creek on the south side of Calvert Hill; kind of unusual to see two creeks of the same name so close together. The listing shows 111% of average currently, not bad, and 14 inches compared to an average of 12.6. The Calvert Creek Snotel site is listed as being at 6,430 feet elevation, so is probably similar to Calvert Hill. There's another site at Mule Creek which is on the SE side of the Pioneers, 15 miles or so SE of Crystal Park. This one is at 8,300 feet elevation; and shows 105% of average still on the ground. For Calvert Hill and Crystal Park, it looks like the situation is typical, although, spring is staying kind of cool, so snow melt is going to continue to lag. It took me a little while to find appropriate sites. I wouldn't have thought to look under Headwaters of the Missouri, after all, that's up north. For those geographically lost, the creeks flow into the Big Hole River, to the Beaverhead to the Jefferson to the Missouri. Thus, for this area that is on the east side of the C ontinental Divide, it's all headwaters of the Missouri. Have a nice trip. Lanny On May 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Julie Siebel wrote: > I just found this link that lists snowpack for Montana: > > ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/mt.txt > > I took a guess and figured if you changed "mt.txt" to "id.txt" (for > Idaho) or "wy.txt" (for Wyoming) or whatever snowy state you want to > go rockhounding in and wonder where the snow is at, it will show the > data for that state as well. Neat. Works great for Montana, Idaho, > Wyoming and Oregon - didn't test any further. > > Now if I can just figure out which of those 60 or so locations is > closest to Calvert Hill and Crystal Park... > > Julie > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sat May 10 10:48:35 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sat May 10 10:48:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20080509123108.035c2c10@orerockon.com> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> <00aa01c8b207$1a6b3d50$0300a8c0@warren> <7.0.0.16.2.20080509123108.035c2c10@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <1A3E6B5E-9CD8-41DC-B6C1-592D8C7880FA@roadrunner.com> Hi Tim & Julie, Unless there is a site I don't know about, the fee quartz digging is a long way from Crystal Peak. The one I know of is on O'Donnell Creek way east of Clarkia, Idaho in Fooldwood State Forest area. I don't think there is a fee operation on it anymore. It comes and goes. Anyone have any current information? I've seen specimens from some other quartz site, usually given as "Clarkia." Suggestions are that it is actually up on Crystal Peak. If there really is a quartz location hiding on Crystal Peak, it would make more sense to label it as "Santa." These specimens are nothing like those from O'Donnell Creek (1 inch or so colorless singles and abundant on matrix for O'Donnell Creek, and larger milky to somewhat clear crystals in clusters from "Clarkia.") Regards, Lanny On May 9, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Tim Fisher wrote: > > > There is a fee dig near Crystal Peak for quartz run by a > miner from Clarkia(?). Lanny knows more. > > > At 12:01 PM 5/9/2008, you wrote: > > lol - Yeah, John meant Crystal > Park. We have a {quot}Crystal Peak{quot} (with no apparent crystals) > about 8 miles from here, and so we get 'em mixed up. > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On! > > Email address at > http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From nospam at orerockon.com Sat May 10 11:02:38 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat May 10 11:02:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. In-Reply-To: <1A3E6B5E-9CD8-41DC-B6C1-592D8C7880FA@roadrunner.com> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <005b01c8b196$06dfa530$0200a8c0@Notebook> <198B7511-877D-45E7-95ED-1C63B2385E31@roadrunner.com> <00aa01c8b207$1a6b3d50$0300a8c0@warren> <7.0.0.16.2.20080509123108.035c2c10@orerockon.com> <1A3E6B5E-9CD8-41DC-B6C1-592D8C7880FA@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080510110157.035c1fe0@orerockon.com> I got my sites mixed up. Doh! yeah I meant the one in the Floodwood. At 10:48 AM 5/10/2008, you wrote: Hi Tim & Julie, Unless there is a site I don't know about, the fee quartz digging is a long way from Crystal Peak. The one I know of is on O'Donnell Creek way east of Clarkia, Idaho in Fooldwood State Forest area. I don't think there is a fee operation on it anymore. It comes and goes. Anyone have any current information? I've seen specimens from some other quartz site, usually given as {quot}Clarkia.{quot} Suggestions are that it is actually up on Crystal Peak. If there really is a quartz location hiding on Crystal Peak, it would make more sense to label it as {quot}Santa.{quot} These specimens are nothing like those from O'Donnell Creek (1 inch or so colorless singles and abundant on matrix for O'Donnell Creek, and larger milky to somewhat clear crystals in clusters from "Clarkia.") Regards, Lanny Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- text/html (html body -- converted) --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat May 10 11:19:38 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sat May 10 11:22:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <003101c8b2ca$70634130$0300a8c0@warren> Thanks so much! I found that link through a really specific Google search (which I now forget) and tried going back a few levels, but didn't find anything, likely because I left the "ftp" in. Duh. (I tried looking up the a few of the locations in TopoUSA, but only hit about every third name.) So here's hoping for a heatwave...I'm going to be checking the darn thing daily from now on. I'm really hoping it's clear. Calvert Hill was one of our favorite places. We camped right at the pond in the pit, and poked around there just a bit, while taking trips to other places. Unfortunately didn't figure out where the coolest stuff was until the day we were leaving, and have wanted to go back since then. When we went last time we were in the Acura; this time we'll have a bit more room in an Isuzu Rodeo, and there's this great bolder there - about 18 inches in diameter - that was striped white and smokey quartzite with chunks of epidote in it. I wanted it...bad. I'm trying to talk John into grabbing it this time, but he says if we do, we'll have to leave one of the dogs behind :P Thanks again, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... > Hi Julie, > > Thanks for the Snotel files. I checked where the sites were located by > going to the Snotel web site and map, for Montana: > http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/snotel/Montana/montana.html > > On the text file you are using, look under "Missouri Headwaters." Calvert > Creek is listed. From looking at the web site for the Snotel individual > sites, I see that the measuring site is on the Calvert Creek that is > about a dozen miles west of Calvert Hill. There also is a Calvert Creek > on the south side of Calvert Hill; kind of unusual to see two creeks of > the same name so close together. The listing shows 111% of average > currently, not bad, and 14 inches compared to an average of 12.6. The > Calvert Creek Snotel site is listed as being at 6,430 feet elevation, so > is probably similar to Calvert Hill. > > There's another site at Mule Creek which is on the SE side of the > Pioneers, 15 miles or so SE of Crystal Park. This one is at 8,300 feet > elevation; and shows 105% of average still on the ground. For Calvert > Hill and Crystal Park, it looks like the situation is typical, although, > spring is staying kind of cool, so snow melt is going to continue to lag. > > It took me a little while to find appropriate sites. I wouldn't have > thought to look under Headwaters of the Missouri, after all, that's up > north. For those geographically lost, the creeks flow into the Big Hole > River, to the Beaverhead to the Jefferson to the Missouri. Thus, for this > area that is on the east side of the C ontinental Divide, it's all > headwaters of the Missouri. > > Have a nice trip. > > Lanny > > > On May 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Julie Siebel wrote: > >> I just found this link that lists snowpack for Montana: >> >> ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/mt.txt >> >> I took a guess and figured if you changed "mt.txt" to "id.txt" (for >> Idaho) or "wy.txt" (for Wyoming) or whatever snowy state you want to go >> rockhounding in and wonder where the snow is at, it will show the data >> for that state as well. Neat. Works great for Montana, Idaho, Wyoming >> and Oregon - didn't test any further. >> >> Now if I can just figure out which of those 60 or so locations is >> closest to Calvert Hill and Crystal Park... >> >> Julie >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Paintricks at aol.com Sat May 10 11:21:50 2008 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Sat May 10 11:22:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Old Gold: Need small, reasonably priced mineral sample. Message-ID: I live right in the Cripple Creek gold mining district and have lots of gold ore from the area. It's mostly tellurides and tailings but I find nice surprises in the specimens here. Sphalerites Galenas Pyrites and many unidentified minerals. Have lots here if you like. They make great samples from the area and are attractive. Love to trade em" Hava Good One, Kevin **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sat May 10 12:13:47 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sat May 10 12:15:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <004c01c8b2d2$01a3fde0$0300a8c0@warren> Holy snowman! If I'm reading this right, at Mule Creek there's still more than 4.5 feet of snow! It's about 500 feet higher than Crystal Park, but still... lol. Last year on May 10th, the snow water equivalent for Mule Creek was 11 inches; today it's 18.3 inches. Their pecent of average must be based on something other than the average of "today" over the years. (They don't seem to keep historical snow depth data.) Last year, on June 1st snow water equivalent was 1/2 inch. This year? Hard to say...maybe we'll call a Butte rockshop before we leave Lewistown. I'm guessing there's a good possibility that we won't be able to do Crystal Park though...guess we'll just have to go back in August! lol It looks like Calvert Hill has a chance of being OK, and if nothing else there are lots of places between Lewistown and home to check out. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... > Hi Julie, > > Thanks for the Snotel files. I checked where the sites were located by > going to the Snotel web site and map, for Montana: > http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/snotel/Montana/montana.html > > On the text file you are using, look under "Missouri Headwaters." Calvert > Creek is listed. From looking at the web site for the Snotel individual > sites, I see that the measuring site is on the Calvert Creek that is > about a dozen miles west of Calvert Hill. There also is a Calvert Creek > on the south side of Calvert Hill; kind of unusual to see two creeks of > the same name so close together. The listing shows 111% of average > currently, not bad, and 14 inches compared to an average of 12.6. The > Calvert Creek Snotel site is listed as being at 6,430 feet elevation, so > is probably similar to Calvert Hill. > > There's another site at Mule Creek which is on the SE side of the > Pioneers, 15 miles or so SE of Crystal Park. This one is at 8,300 feet > elevation; and shows 105% of average still on the ground. For Calvert > Hill and Crystal Park, it looks like the situation is typical, although, > spring is staying kind of cool, so snow melt is going to continue to lag. > > It took me a little while to find appropriate sites. I wouldn't have > thought to look under Headwaters of the Missouri, after all, that's up > north. For those geographically lost, the creeks flow into the Big Hole > River, to the Beaverhead to the Jefferson to the Missouri. Thus, for this > area that is on the east side of the C ontinental Divide, it's all > headwaters of the Missouri. > > Have a nice trip. > > Lanny > > > On May 9, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Julie Siebel wrote: > >> I just found this link that lists snowpack for Montana: >> >> ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/snow/update/mt.txt >> >> I took a guess and figured if you changed "mt.txt" to "id.txt" (for >> Idaho) or "wy.txt" (for Wyoming) or whatever snowy state you want to go >> rockhounding in and wonder where the snow is at, it will show the data >> for that state as well. Neat. Works great for Montana, Idaho, Wyoming >> and Oregon - didn't test any further. >> >> Now if I can just figure out which of those 60 or so locations is >> closest to Calvert Hill and Crystal Park... >> >> Julie >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From nospam at orerockon.com Sat May 10 17:47:07 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Sat May 10 17:47:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... In-Reply-To: <004c01c8b2d2$01a3fde0$0300a8c0@warren> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu> <807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren> <00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> <004c01c8b2d2$01a3fde0$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080510173711.035e15d0@orerockon.com> I have used a lot of SNOTEL data in my modeling. If the USGS doesn't have a reasonable track record of SWEs for a gauge, they extrapolate from the SWE content of surrounding gauges (i.e., inches of water/inches of snow), and/or the trend of SWE/depth for the gauge in question for this season. It makes for quite a confusing picture when you are trying to standardize data for fisheries modeling purposes. I threw a lot of gauges out of my dataset because they didn't seemed track SWE in a nonsensical way. As the snow compacts it should have a higher SWE/depth ratio; if it doesn't then something is fishy. LOL What I do know is that right now the 111% of normal blah blah is meaningless; the spring runoff has not come yet, it is still cold and miserable, and without checking stats, this will be a record or near-record late runoff for most of the Pacific NW W of the continental divide. A friend in BPA's Power Supply division (the dudes responsible for forecasting this sort of thing) said on Wednesday that it would take a series of 80-90 degree days for the snow runoff to NOT be one of the latest on record, and that ain't happenin' folks. Although his mid-range weather models are saying that it is likely in the next few weeks. I think that throwing a straw in the air is about as reliable :P At 12:13 PM 5/10/2008, you wrote: >Holy snowman! If I'm reading this right, at Mule Creek there's still >more than 4.5 feet of snow! It's about 500 feet higher than Crystal >Park, but still... lol. Last year on May 10th, the snow water >equivalent for Mule Creek was 11 inches; today it's 18.3 inches. >Their pecent of average must be based on something other than the >average of "today" over the years. (They don't seem to keep >historical snow depth data.) Last year, on June 1st snow water >equivalent was 1/2 inch. This year? Hard to say...maybe we'll call a >Butte rockshop before we leave Lewistown. I'm guessing there's a >good possibility that we won't be able to do Crystal Park >though...guess we'll just have to go back in August! lol > >It looks like Calvert Hill has a chance of being OK, and if nothing >else there are lots of places between Lewistown and home to check out. > >Julie Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From batsondebelfry at yahoo.com Sat May 10 19:52:30 2008 From: batsondebelfry at yahoo.com (Neal Hazen) Date: Sat May 10 19:52:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks, From Neal Message-ID: <87317.47269.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I want? to express heartfelt thanks to the?list members for the great suggestions. Certainly, we shall not be able to make all the?collecting sites (not by my choice, but this is supposed to be a relaxing vacation?for my wife).?In any case, I shall be making a field trip report when we return. Any suggestions on the best way to post pictures for the group? I will be shooting the best resolution photos my 7 Megapixel camera will take. Anyone know how to downsize them for the folks without a high-speed connection? ?Neal Hazen "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." Will Rogers ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From corson at infodyn.com Sat May 10 20:55:53 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Sat May 10 20:59:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? Message-ID: <001101c8b31a$e93e3970$610fa8c0@Grimble> Thanks Johan, Sayreville is off limits too? Anyone else on the list that can help me out here? TC ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 21:39:19 +0000 From: "Johan" Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Cc: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <050920082139.28080.4824C4870002F7AF00006DB022243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C020A 9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> You can collect for fee at the Franklin (Buckwheat) and Sterling Hill area musea. They always have fresh and real rocks with fluorescent minerals. Check the internet for both locations. All other locations are private and require cumbersome access requests ... if you were to get in these quarries. I will be away that week. Could have taken you to a real 'public' collecting place for trap rock minerals. -- Johan Maertens ------------------------------ From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun May 11 06:27:41 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun May 11 06:27:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks, From Neal References: <87317.47269.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c8b36a$ca2bea00$0200000a@LarryRush> Neal: There are a number of freeware image editor programs on the web which will resize photos for you, Gimp comes to mind, as does Visua (my personal favorite). And most of the software that comes with digital cameras has pixel sizing features, as well as web posting. Take another look at yours. It may already be available on your PC. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Hazen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks, From Neal I want to express heartfelt thanks to the list members for the great suggestions. Certainly, we shall not be able to make all the collecting sites (not by my choice, but this is supposed to be a relaxing vacation for my wife). In any case, I shall be making a field trip report when we return. Any suggestions on the best way to post pictures for the group? I will be shooting the best resolution photos my 7 Megapixel camera will take. Anyone know how to downsize them for the folks without a high-speed connection? Neal Hazen "Some people learn through reading. A few others learn by observation. Most of us have to pee on the electric fence for ourselves." Will Rogers ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Pmodreski at aol.com Sun May 11 07:53:23 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 07:53:29 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks, From Neal Message-ID: Neal, I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager to downsize digital pictures. I believe it comes standard for everyone who has Microsoft Office. It comes up automatically for me whenever I double-click on a digital image, or you can find it under Microsoft Office - Tools. To downsize pictures you can use its "Export" function, which gives you a choice of sizes to save as, from "document large, 1025 x 768 px" though "email small, 160 x 160 px"; these will translate into somewhere between about 400 KB to 10 KB. You may have to click on "Edit" and then "Edit Pictures" to bring up the "Export" menu. (Note, one needs to "Export" either to a different folder or to the same folder with a new file name, or else it will overwrite and lose the original high-resolution image.) And, P.S., another good way to share pictures over the internet is via "Picasa", and free web album service run by Google; I've recently tried it a time of two, and it works very well: _http://picasa.google.com/_ (http://picasa.google.com/) Anyone know how to downsize them for the folks without a high-speed connection? Neal Hazen Sincerely, Pete Modreski **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 08:15:28 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 08:17:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks, From Neal In-Reply-To: <87317.47269.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <87317.47269.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't know where you will be posting these shots, I think that if you get a free Flickr account that the Flickr uploader will resize the shots to smaller sizes for you. BK On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Neal Hazen wrote: > I want to express heartfelt thanks to the list members for the great > suggestions. Certainly, we shall not be able to make all the collecting > sites (not by my choice, but this is supposed to be a relaxing vacation for > my wife). In any case, I shall be making a field trip report when we return. > Any suggestions on the best way to post pictures for the group? I will be > shooting the best resolution photos my 7 Megapixel camera will take. Anyone > know how to downsize them for the folks without a high-speed connection? > Neal Hazen > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 08:21:35 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 08:21:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip Message-ID: We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then up to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side trip to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge. We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions for a book or ideas for Maine? All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is over by then. BK -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From llbullbull at hotmail.com Sun May 11 09:17:29 2008 From: llbullbull at hotmail.com (Lawrence Bull) Date: Sun May 11 09:17:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it with an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one you mention. Good collecting, Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Sun May 11 09:30:00 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny R) Date: Sun May 11 09:30:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... In-Reply-To: <004c01c8b2d2$01a3fde0$0300a8c0@warren> References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren> <004c01c8b2d2$01a3fde0$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: You lost me. We must be reading different files. The May 10th text file shows Mule Creek with a current water equivalent of 18.3 inches, average of 16.3, 112% of average; a current snow depth of 21.4 inches, average of 20.3 inches, so 105% of average. Looks to me like the percentages work out and the depth is a little under 2 feet. One thing we need to consider is that Crystal Park is on the west side of the Pioneer Range, and Mule Creek is on the east side (the lee side), so Crystal Park is likely to have received more snow. Lanny On May 10, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Julie Siebel wrote: > Holy snowman! If I'm reading this right, at Mule Creek there's still > more than 4.5 feet of snow! It's about 500 feet higher than Crystal > Park, but still... lol. Last year on May 10th, the snow water > equivalent for Mule Creek was 11 inches; today it's 18.3 inches. > Their pecent of average must be based on something other than the > average of "today" over the years. (They don't seem to keep > historical snow depth data.) Last year, on June 1st snow water > equivalent was 1/2 inch. This year? Hard to say...maybe we'll call a > Butte rockshop before we leave Lewistown. I'm guessing there's a > good possibility that we won't be able to do Crystal Park > though...guess we'll just have to go back in August! lol > > It looks like Calvert Hill has a chance of being OK, and if nothing > else there are lots of places between Lewistown and home to check out. > > Julie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... > From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun May 11 08:48:29 2008 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Sun May 11 09:46:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromounters of NE Annual Symposium References: <61857.60464.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008301c8b386$3cc0d880$2c4cd0c4@federatiydq01o> Hi Joe (and others), Have just read your announcement re the Annual Mini-Symposium. What was ineresting ws the presentation on the "Micominnals of Palabora Mine, South Africa". We as members of the South African Micromount Society (SAMS), have been down in the Open Pit twice to collect miro materia.l when John Gliddon was still working on the mine (must have been in the eighties sometime). Cnnot check on the exact dates as all my date is in the cellar, to which I do not have access at the moment, as I am busy recodering from a hip treplacement operation (which was performed on the 22nd April - two days before my birthday). With the change of government in 1994, South African towns and cities are undergoing name changes, as well as subdividing the four original provines into nine.Name changes do not apply to mining companies as such, thus a full description of the locality, prevously know as the Palabora Mining Company, Phalaborwa, SOUTH AFRICA is now known as the Palabora Mining Company, Ba-Phalaborwa, Limpopo, SOUTH AFRICA . Regards, Horst To: Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Micromounters of NE Annual Symposium > Hi All, > I posted this submission last week but the text wrapping went awry. > > The 2008 Micromounters of New England Annual Mini-Symposium will be held > on Saturday, May 17, 2008 at the Elk's Lodge in Hudson MA. > > Guest speaker will be by longtime member Bill Henderson. A very successful > chemist by trade, Bill cultivated a passion for micromineralogy and taught > himself to use a polarizing microscope. Bill has an extensive collectiopn > of 14,000 mounted specimens and the honor of having a mineral named after > him: Willhendersonite. > > Bill will present three talks: > > Microminerals of the Palabora Mine, South Africa > > The Palabora Mine, located near the town of Phalaborwa (yes, the spellings > are correct) is working in a carbonatite rock. Carbonatites are extremely > rare, igneous rocks composed mostly of calcite. Several elements found > only in trace amounts in granites, etc., are concentrated in carbonatites, > and these crystallize to form rare minerals. In most cases, such minerals > are massive or, more properly, anhedral. Only rarely are the minerals at > Palabora or elsewhere found in open cavities where thay form nice > specimens. Examples of such, obtained by exchange with the mine > superintendent no less, are shown in this talk. > > Microminerals of Italy > > Italy has experienced an extremely varied geological history, resulting in > a great number of rock types and parageneses. These in turn have lead to > an amazing number of mineral species. In fact, it would be hard to find > any country of a similar size with so many. Further, a substantial > fraction of these species occur in truly beautiful micro crystals. This > talk will show these species arranged by their chemistry and paragenesis. > > Microminerals of Etruscan Slags > > In pre-Roman days, the Etruscans mined ores on the island of Elba, where > Napoleon was exiled, and carried them by sea by the thousands of tons per > year to the region of Populonia on the Italian mainland. There, they were > smelted, but only poorly, leaving much metal behind in gas cavities in the > slags. This metal has reacted over time with sea water to form a variety > of attractive microminerals such as fiedlerite, barstowite, shattuckite, > spangolite and very rare species. > > A Symposium Registration Form can be downloaded from the Micromounter?s > website at http://www.micromountersofnewengland.org > > Our annual symposium is always a great way to see old faces, connect with > the new friends and see what is current in the study of micromounts. > > Your ticket will include a catered lunch that is always superb. There are > door prizes, a silent raffle, a sales table to benefit the club and as > always, a giveaway table with some pretty neat stuff from well known > localities. > > Non-members are encouraged to attend not only the symposium, but any of > our regular monthly meetings. > > For more information, please visit the Micromounters of New England > website at: http://www.micromountersofnewengland.org or feel free to email > me at bassmeister_2000@yahoo.com > > Thank you! > Joe Mulvey > Nashua, NH > USA > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1398 - Release Date: > 25/04/2008 14:31 > > From hilmarandheidi at telus.net Sun May 11 10:20:48 2008 From: hilmarandheidi at telus.net (Hilmar Krocke) Date: Sun May 11 10:20:52 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Thanks, From Neal In-Reply-To: <87317.47269.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <87317.47269.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I shall be making a field trip report when we return. Any > suggestions on the best way to post pictures for the group? I will > be shooting the best resolution photos my 7 Megapixel camera will > take. Anyone know how to downsize them for the folks without a high- > speed connection? > Neal Hazen Neil, if you use "PICASA" you just put the pictures on and it downsizes them automatically. You do not have to do anything. Hilmar --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Sun May 11 10:44:23 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Sun May 11 10:44:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip References: Message-ID: <000f01c8b38e$a7d6a890$0200000a@LarryRush> Also look for: "Maine Tourmaline Localities". Maine State Planning Office, 1982. Outdated, but still partially useful. If you can't get a copy, I can send you one. Larry Rush ============================ The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it with an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one you mention. Good collecting, Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 10:56:07 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 10:56:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll wait until I get to Maine, Amazon only shows one used copy at $100... BK On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Lawrence Bull wrote: > > The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". > Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it with > an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one you > mention. > > Good collecting, > > Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then > up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side > trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on > fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing > Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast > Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have > it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book > or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the > blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all > know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create > our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, > USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report -- > processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- > kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with > a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 10:56:56 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 10:56:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: <000f01c8b38e$a7d6a890$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <000f01c8b38e$a7d6a890$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: I'd appreciate a copy Larry, I don't see it online anywhere BK On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Lawrence Rush wrote: > Also look for: "Maine Tourmaline Localities". Maine State Planning Office, > 1982. Outdated, but still partially useful. If you can't get a copy, I can > send you one. > > Larry Rush > > ============================ > > > > The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". > Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it with > an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one you > mention. > > Good collecting, > > Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then > up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side > trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on > fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing > Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast > Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have > it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book > or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the > blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all > know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create > our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, > USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report -- > processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- > kept)> text/html> ---> -- > > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzleMailing List> Subscription Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with > a link to the List Usage Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at copper.net Sun May 11 11:28:19 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Sun May 11 11:28:20 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28ee245vggg5f43n9il8ftuk675k1jtnob@4ax.com> On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:56:07 -0400, "J Bryan Kramer" wrote: >I'll wait until I get to Maine, Amazon only shows one used copy at $100... That's Vandall King's (et al) book. I recommend it highly. When I lived in Rochester, Van was an active member of the Mineral Section of the Rochester Academy of Science (the people who do the annual Rochester Mineralogical Symposium). But, you don't have to spend $100 - apparently the Maine Geological Survey has rights to the book and an updated version is on line. http://maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/minerals/guide/guide.htm > > >BK > >On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Lawrence Bull >wrote: > >> >> The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". >> Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it with >> an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one you >> mention. >> >> Good collecting, >> >> Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > >> We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then >> up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side >> trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on >> fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing >> Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast >> Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have >> it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book >> or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the >> blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all >> know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create >> our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, >> USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report -- >> processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- >> kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with >> a link to the List Usage Policy:> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. >> >> http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > >-- >"Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of >reality with which we create our own private world." >Arnold Newman > > >J Bryan Kramer >North Florida, USA >photos at: >http://pbase.com/photoburner > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 11:31:09 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 11:31:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: <28ee245vggg5f43n9il8ftuk675k1jtnob@4ax.com> References: <28ee245vggg5f43n9il8ftuk675k1jtnob@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks Al! BK On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Al Balmer wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:56:07 -0400, "J Bryan Kramer" > wrote: > > >I'll wait until I get to Maine, Amazon only shows one used copy at > $100... > > That's Vandall King's (et al) book. I recommend it highly. When I > lived in Rochester, Van was an active member of the Mineral Section of > the Rochester Academy of Science (the people who do the annual > Rochester Mineralogical Symposium). But, you don't have to spend $100 > - apparently the Maine Geological Survey has rights to the book and an > updated version is on line. > http://maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/minerals/guide/guide.htm > > > > > >BK > > > >On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Lawrence Bull > >wrote: > > > >> > >> The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". > >> Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it > with > >> an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one > you > >> mention. > >> > >> Good collecting, > >> > >> Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: > codeburner@gmail.com> > >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer > trip> > > >> We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and > then > >> up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a > side > >> trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We > plan on > >> fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then > doing > >> Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast > >> Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't > have > >> it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a > book > >> or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope > the > >> blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all > >> know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we > create > >> our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North > Florida, > >> USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report > -- > >> processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body > -- > >> kept)> text/html> ---> -- > > _______________________________________________> > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, > with > >> a link to the List Usage Policy:> > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > >> > >> > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 > >> > >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >> multipart/alternative > >> text/plain (text body -- kept) > >> text/html > >> --- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > >> Subscription Services: > >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >"Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > >reality with which we create our own private world." > >Arnold Newman > > > > > >J Bryan Kramer > >North Florida, USA > >photos at: > >http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > >multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > >--- > > -- > Al Balmer > Sun City, AZ > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Sun May 11 11:47:08 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Sun May 11 11:48:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... References: <481FF519.7060204@lpl.arizona.edu><807418.86458.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com><004901c8b191$67167b40$0300a8c0@warren><00cc01c8b210$5e37df80$0300a8c0@warren><004c01c8b2d2$01a3fde0$0300a8c0@warren> Message-ID: <002b01c8b397$747027c0$0300a8c0@warren> Hey Lanny: The text file doesn't *have* snow depth. (Finally figured that out.) That 21.4 is precipitation, which is different than their current snow depth. This one does have snow depth: http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/snotel/snotelday2.pl?site=656&station=12d11s&state=mt&report=depth That's a link to the snow depth the last seven days at Mule Creek - 53.8 inches of snow on the ground today. (Lost 2.2 inches between yesterday and today, say yay,.) This link: http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/tab-get.pl?state=MT&stationidname=12D11S-MULE+CREEK Allows you to see the water equivalent stats for last year and this year. (The don't keep snow depth stats.) And if ya check the difference on May 10th water equivalent for this year and last year, you'll see that this year it's 18.3; last year it was 11. Biiiigg difference - lol I did snag the telephone number for NFS in Dillon - I'll give 'em a call tomorrow and see how we're looking. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... > You lost me. We must be reading different files. The May 10th text file > shows Mule Creek with a current water equivalent of 18.3 inches, average > of 16.3, 112% of average; a current snow depth of 21.4 inches, average of > 20.3 inches, so 105% of average. Looks to me like the percentages work > out and the depth is a little under 2 feet. > > One thing we need to consider is that Crystal Park is on the west side of > the Pioneer Range, and Mule Creek is on the east side (the lee side), so > Crystal Park is likely to have received more snow. > > Lanny > > > On May 10, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Julie Siebel wrote: > >> Holy snowman! If I'm reading this right, at Mule Creek there's still >> more than 4.5 feet of snow! It's about 500 feet higher than Crystal >> Park, but still... lol. Last year on May 10th, the snow water >> equivalent for Mule Creek was 11 inches; today it's 18.3 inches. Their >> pecent of average must be based on something other than the average of >> "today" over the years. (They don't seem to keep historical snow depth >> data.) Last year, on June 1st snow water equivalent was 1/2 inch. This >> year? Hard to say...maybe we'll call a Butte rockshop before we leave >> Lewistown. I'm guessing there's a good possibility that we won't be able >> to do Crystal Park though...guess we'll just have to go back in August! >> lol >> >> It looks like Calvert Hill has a chance of being OK, and if nothing else >> there are lots of places between Lewistown and home to check out. >> >> Julie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny R" >> To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Nifty snowpack link... >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From jscully216 at aol.com Sun May 11 12:44:44 2008 From: jscully216 at aol.com (jscully216@aol.com) Date: Sun May 11 12:44:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA81B6978DEA8E-1B68-24EF@webmail-nb03.sysops.aol.com> The State of Maine puts out a good book on places to rockhound.? Contact Woody Thompson at woodrow.b.thompson@maine.gov?for infomation. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Bull To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 9:17 am Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it with an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one you mention. Good collecting, Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: codeburner@gmail.com> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Sun May 11 15:19:40 2008 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Sun May 11 15:19:46 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: <28ee245vggg5f43n9il8ftuk675k1jtnob@4ax.com> References: <28ee245vggg5f43n9il8ftuk675k1jtnob@4ax.com> Message-ID: Brian, The $100 book you saw advertised at amazon.com was Mineralogy of Maine by Vandall King. That is a wonderful detailed reference book describing the minerals found in Maine localities (it comes in 2 volumes). However, that is not the book you want if you are simply looking for directions to specific localities. The Maine Geological survey link that Al Balmer sent you is what you really want. As he indicated you can find it at http://maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/minerals/guide/guide.htm As you go to each locality page in chapter 6 you can do a "save page as" to save a copy on your computer. Having said that many of the localities listed are no longer accessible due to specimen mining operations and others require that arrangements be made in advance. For Oxford County localities I recommend stopping at Perham's of West Paris to see their "mini-museum" of Maine Minerals and to find out what mines are currently accessible. The Harvard and Tamminen quarries in Greenwood, ME are usually open for collecting but they are owned by Perhams and it is always good to check first. If you come up with specific localities of interest email me off list and I will be happy to tell you what I know about their accessibility. If you want to spend more time in Maine, check out the Poland Mining Camp web page at http://www.polandminingcamps.com/. If you stay with them they can get you into many of the quarries that have ongoing specimen mining operations and are not generally open to collectors. have a great trip! Nate Martin Lexington, MA On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Al Balmer wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:56:07 -0400, "J Bryan Kramer" > wrote: > > >I'll wait until I get to Maine, Amazon only shows one used copy at $100... > > That's Vandall King's (et al) book. I recommend it highly. When I > lived in Rochester, Van was an active member of the Mineral Section of > the Rochester Academy of Science (the people who do the annual > Rochester Mineralogical Symposium). But, you don't have to spend $100 > - apparently the Maine Geological Survey has rights to the book and an > updated version is on line. > http://maine.gov/doc/nrimc/mgs/explore/minerals/guide/guide.htm > > > > > > > >BK > > From deepskyspy at insightbb.com Sun May 11 16:14:40 2008 From: deepskyspy at insightbb.com (Alan Goldstein) Date: Sun May 11 16:14:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip References: Message-ID: <001101c8b3bc$c9f0bc80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> The fluorspar district in western KY is not too far from Mammoth Cave (about 2 hours west on the Western Kentucky Parkway). You can contact the Clement Museum (beclement@kynet.biz) to see what is available. There are geode collecting areas on the Cumberland Parkway and fossil and minerals around Lake Cumberland which is currently 30' below summer pool while they repair the Wolf Creek Dam. I can offer anything more specific because I don't get down there very often. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then > up > to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side > trip > to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge. > > We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and > then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon > (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they > don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions > for a book or ideas for Maine? > > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is > over > by then. > > BK > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 16:16:50 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 16:18:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: <001101c8b3bc$c9f0bc80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> References: <001101c8b3bc$c9f0bc80$6401a8c0@yourb79wz4rose> Message-ID: Thanks Alan BK On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Alan Goldstein wrote: > The fluorspar district in western KY is not too far from Mammoth Cave > (about 2 hours west on the Western Kentucky Parkway). You can contact the > Clement Museum (beclement@kynet.biz) to see what is available. There are > geode collecting areas on the Cumberland Parkway and fossil and minerals > around Lake Cumberland which is currently 30' below summer pool while they > repair the Wolf Creek Dam. I can offer anything more specific because I > don't get down there very often. > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" < > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:21 AM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip > > > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then > > up > > to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side > > trip > > to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge. > > > > We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), > > and > > then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon > > (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that > > they > > don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any > > suggestions > > for a book or ideas for Maine? > > > > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is > > over > > by then. > > > > BK > > > > -- > > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > > reality with which we create our own private world." > > Arnold Newman > > > > > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sun May 11 18:10:41 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sun May 11 18:10:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D4E3180-1FC0-11DD-A9DD-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> You might also check local rock shops for... Maine Mines and Mineral Localities by Phillip Morrill (east and west volumes) Mines of Maine by F L Bartlett Mineral Guide to New England (NE) by Phillip Morrill ...but there is a chance you might be able to find them online. Kreigh On Sunday, May 11, 2008, at 13:56 America/Detroit, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > I'd appreciate a copy Larry, I don't see it online anywhere > > BK > > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Lawrence Rush > > wrote: > >> Also look for: "Maine Tourmaline Localities". Maine State Planning >> Office, >> 1982. Outdated, but still partially useful. If you can't get a copy, >> I can >> send you one. >> >> Larry Rush >> >> ============================ >> >> >> >> The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". >> Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find >> it with >> an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one >> you >> mention. >> >> Good collecting, >> >> Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: >> codeburner@gmail.com> >> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer >> trip> > >> We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and >> then >> up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a >> side >> trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We >> plan on >> fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then >> doing >> Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> >> (Northeast >> Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't >> have >> it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for >> a book >> or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. >> Hope the >> blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we >> all >> know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we >> create >> our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North >> Florida, >> USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime >> Report -- >> processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text >> body -- >> kept)> text/html> ---> -- > >> _______________________________________________> >> Rockhounds@drizzleMailing List> Subscription Services:> >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, >> with >> a link to the List Usage Policy:> >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> _________________________________________________________________ >> With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. >> >> http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/ >> overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From codeburner at gmail.com Sun May 11 18:19:29 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Sun May 11 18:19:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: <3D4E3180-1FC0-11DD-A9DD-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <3D4E3180-1FC0-11DD-A9DD-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: I think the last one is the one Amazon says is unavailable. I ordered the second one already along with another one and have a very nice online guide. Sounds like we are heading for a very nice collecting area. BK On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > You might also check local rock shops for... > > Maine Mines and Mineral Localities by Phillip Morrill (east and west > volumes) > > Mines of Maine by F L Bartlett > > Mineral Guide to New England (NE) by Phillip Morrill > > ...but there is a chance you might be able to find them online. > > Kreigh > > > > On Sunday, May 11, 2008, at 13:56 America/Detroit, J Bryan Kramer wrote: > > I'd appreciate a copy Larry, I don't see it online anywhere > > > > BK > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Lawrence Rush < > > larryrush@worldnet.att.net> > > wrote: > > > > Also look for: "Maine Tourmaline Localities". Maine State Planning > > > Office, > > > 1982. Outdated, but still partially useful. If you can't get a copy, I > > > can > > > send you one. > > > > > > Larry Rush > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > > > > > > > > The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine Mineral Localities". > > > Most Main mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot find it > > > with > > > an online search. It is an excellent source much better than the one > > > you > > > mention. > > > > > > Good collecting, > > > > > > Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: > > > codeburner@gmail.com> > > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer > > > trip> > > > > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and > > > then > > > up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a > > > side > > > trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We > > > plan on > > > fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then > > > doing > > > Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> > > > (Northeast > > > Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't > > > have > > > it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a > > > book > > > or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope > > > the > > > blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we > > > all > > > know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we > > > create > > > our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North > > > Florida, > > > USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > --- StripMime > > > Report -- > > > processed MIME parts ---> multipart/alternative> text/plain (text > > > body -- > > > kept)> text/html> ---> -- > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > Rockhounds@drizzleMailing List> Subscription Services:> > > > > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, > > > with > > > a link to the List Usage Policy:> > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. > > > > > > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/ > > > overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > > multipart/alternative > > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > > text/html > > > --- > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > > reality with which we create our own private world." > > Arnold Newman > > > > > > J Bryan Kramer > > North Florida, USA > > photos at: > > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From marksigouin at verizon.net Sun May 11 19:31:44 2008 From: marksigouin at verizon.net (Mark) Date: Sun May 11 19:31:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? References: <001101c8b31a$e93e3970$610fa8c0@Grimble> Message-ID: <003e01c8b3d8$5213db40$6400a8c0@your71um0ya7hl> Just a note about Sterling Hill. Collecting is open to the public on the mine run dump every day the museum is open. You can collect in the Passaic Pit only on the last Sunday of the month. It is well worth it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Corson" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? > Thanks Johan, > > Sayreville is off limits too? > > Anyone else on the list that can help me out here? > > TC > ________________________________ > > Thomas W. Corson OBG International > corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive > 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 > http://www.obgrocks.com > World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 21:39:19 +0000 > From: "Johan" > Subject: [Rockhounds] New Jersey collecting opportunities? > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com, rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Cc: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com > Message-ID: > > <050920082139.28080.4824C4870002F7AF00006DB022243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C020A > 9B9D0A0E03D2040E9D0A020703@att.net> > > > You can collect for fee at the Franklin (Buckwheat) and Sterling Hill area > musea. > They always have fresh and real rocks with fluorescent minerals. > Check the internet for both locations. > > All other locations are private and require cumbersome access requests ... > if you were to get in these quarries. > > I will be away that week. Could have taken you to a real 'public' > collecting > place for trap rock minerals. > > -- > > Johan Maertens > > > ------------------------------ > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From efkern at earthlink.net Mon May 12 05:55:54 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon May 12 05:56:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Quake Mag. 7.8 EASTERN SICHUAN, CHINA Message-ID: <000601c8b42f$91db4c70$7700a8c0@TheBlackAdder> == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT == ***This event has been revised. 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He was the owner of the big rock shop in Hanksville and will be missed. I saw him in March and he was doing all right for being 89 years old. I went to see him again last week and was told he was in the hospital but was expected back in a few days. He was a fine man with a tremendous amount of knowledge about the petrified wood and dinosaur bone of southern Utah. May he rest in Peace. Sadly, Frank Frank Daniels Minerals & Fossils Grand Junction, Colorado www.FrankDanielsMinerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Mon May 12 10:15:44 2008 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scotts Rock & Gem) Date: Mon May 12 10:15:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] micromounts available Message-ID: Hi Rockhounds: While participating in the Reno Gem & Mineral Society's gemshow over the Mother's Day weekend, I had a brief conversation with a woman who apparently had a micromount collection for sale, which she had inherited from relatives. I got her email address, and told her I would put it out to the list, since I, myself do not currently have a big interest in micros. I didn't really get any other details. Anyone who is interested should email colesolberg@charter.net Warm Regards - Scott Blair Scott's Rock & Gem --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From spocksrocks at hotmail.com Mon May 12 15:00:42 2008 From: spocksrocks at hotmail.com (Scotts Rock & Gem) Date: Mon May 12 15:00:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: micromounts available References: Message-ID: Hi Rockhounds: While participating in the Reno Gem & Mineral Society's gemshow over the Mother's Day weekend, I had a brief conversation with a woman who apparently had a micromount collection for sale, which she had inherited from relatives. I got her email address, and told her I would put it out to the list, since I, myself do not currently have a big interest in micros. I didn't really get any other details. Anyone who is interested should email colesolberg@charter.net Warm Regards - Scott Blair Scott's Rock & Gem From aran_97405 at yahoo.com Mon May 12 17:04:36 2008 From: aran_97405 at yahoo.com (g mcguinness) Date: Mon May 12 17:05:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian Message-ID: <946211.91914.qm@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, After spending several days hunting the illusive pumpkin obsidian at Glass Butte, I was wondering if anybody could enlighten me about general location. I know it's supposed to be somewhere away from most collecting areas but given the amount of territory that covers i could probably spend the rest of my life looking for it. I did manage to fracture my ankle at the last minute, so I probably won't be looking too hard the rest of this summer...aargh! Thanks for any information, Donna ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Tue May 13 03:05:44 2008 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Tue May 13 03:07:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian References: <946211.91914.qm@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c8b4e0$e9573660$665fe842@Titans> Donna, Take the main road into the collecting area off the main highway which heads South, you will see the road climbing a steep hill, stay on this main road, it will soon break over that hill going into a draw of about 1/2 mile or so, when the road climbs up and onto a more or less flat ridge heading to the West North West keep a close watch on both sides of the road, the dig area's are well within sight and are just that, holes. Good luck with the ankle. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "g mcguinness" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian > Hi, > > After spending several days hunting the illusive > pumpkin obsidian at Glass Butte, I was wondering if > anybody could enlighten me about general location. I > know it's supposed to be somewhere away from most > collecting areas but given the amount of territory > that covers i could probably spend the rest of my life > looking for it. I did manage to fracture my ankle at > the last minute, so I probably won't be looking too > hard the rest of this summer...aargh! > > Thanks for any information, Donna > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From buff1 at ptd.net Tue May 13 04:28:54 2008 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Tue May 13 04:29:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 Message-ID: <48297B76.5080203@ptd.net> The 40th annual "World of Gems & Minerals " show held by the Berks Mineralogical Society will again be held this weekend; may 17 and 18 10-4 at the Leesport Farmers Market Banquet Hall Rt. 61 Leesport, Pa. All dealer tables have been reserved, BUT, there is the opportunity for saturday only tailgating, outdoors, under roof, but alas no heat or air conditioning. Tailgating is $10/8ft table bring own chairs, setup at 8 am next to hall. No reservations required, plenty of room. There will be minerals displays, activities, speakers, and more. Admission is $3.00 for adults, students free. For map and directions to show; http://www.leesportmarket.com. Berks Mineralogical Society http://www.berksmineralogicalsociety.org From wisoh at msn.com Tue May 13 04:49:35 2008 From: wisoh at msn.com (JAMES BUDNIK) Date: Tue May 13 04:47:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 References: <48297B76.5080203@ptd.net> Message-ID: How do you get a club show listed? I sent my club show listing and did not see it come up on my computer. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Buffenmyer To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 The 40th annual "World of Gems & Minerals " show held by the Berks Mineralogical Society will again be held this weekend; may 17 and 18 10-4 at the Leesport Farmers Market Banquet Hall Rt. 61 Leesport, Pa. All dealer tables have been reserved, BUT, there is the opportunity for saturday only tailgating, outdoors, under roof, but alas no heat or air conditioning. Tailgating is $10/8ft table bring own chairs, setup at 8 am next to hall. No reservations required, plenty of room. There will be minerals displays, activities, speakers, and more. Admission is $3.00 for adults, students free. For map and directions to show; http://www.leesportmarket.com. Berks Mineralogical Society http://www.berksmineralogicalsociety.org -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Tue May 13 04:48:20 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Tue May 13 04:48:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Cool Chaiten photo Message-ID: < http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080511/ids_photos_wl/r4184494436.jpg/ > BK -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From aran_97405 at yahoo.com Tue May 13 08:25:54 2008 From: aran_97405 at yahoo.com (g mcguinness) Date: Tue May 13 08:25:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian In-Reply-To: <002001c8b4e0$e9573660$665fe842@Titans> Message-ID: <332188.83442.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wayne, Thanks for the information. I'm dying to get back out there. I've become a bit "obsidian crazed" but i'm going to take this forced down time to learn a bit more about Oregon geology (and sharpen my tools). Thanks again, donna --- Wayne Rasmussen wrote: > Donna, > > Take the main road into the collecting area off the > main highway which heads > South, > you will see the road climbing a steep hill, stay > on this main road, it > will soon break > over that hill going into a draw of about 1/2 mile > or so, when the road > climbs up and > onto a more or less flat ridge heading to the West > North West keep a close > watch on > both sides of the road, the dig area's are well > within sight and are just > that, holes. > Good luck with the ankle. > > Wayne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "g mcguinness" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:04 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian > > > > Hi, > > > > After spending several days hunting the illusive > > pumpkin obsidian at Glass Butte, I was wondering > if > > anybody could enlighten me about general location. > I > > know it's supposed to be somewhere away from most > > collecting areas but given the amount of territory > > that covers i could probably spend the rest of my > life > > looking for it. I did manage to fracture my ankle > at > > the last minute, so I probably won't be looking > too > > hard the rest of this summer...aargh! > > > > Thanks for any information, Donna > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From john at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue May 13 10:24:26 2008 From: john at pandemoniumgraphics.com (John Siebel) Date: Tue May 13 10:26:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing References: <48297B76.5080203@ptd.net> Message-ID: <003b01c8b51e$39618d80$0200a8c0@Notebook> Judy, You need to make sure that the email address that you send from is subscribed as a member of the Rockhound List. Non-member posts are filtered out as Spam and I don't always have the time to read through the hundreds of daily Spam hits to post the relevant ones. John Siebel Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BUDNIK" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 How do you get a club show listed? I sent my club show listing and did not see it come up on my computer. Judy From kcbaran at arczip.com Tue May 13 12:51:18 2008 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Tue May 13 12:53:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian In-Reply-To: <332188.83442.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <332188.83442.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4829F136.5090801@arczip.com> Wayne. I thank you also. I have tried on several occasions to find the elusive Pumpkin Obsidian to no avail. No, it shall not elude me. Chuck Baran g mcguinness wrote: >Hi Wayne, > >Thanks for the information. I'm dying to get back out >there. I've become a bit "obsidian crazed" but i'm >going to take this forced down time to learn a bit >more about Oregon geology (and sharpen my tools). >Thanks again, donna >--- Wayne Rasmussen wrote: > > > >>Donna, >> >>Take the main road into the collecting area off the >>main highway which heads >>South, >>you will see the road climbing a steep hill, stay >>on this main road, it >>will soon break >>over that hill going into a draw of about 1/2 mile >>or so, when the road >>climbs up and >>onto a more or less flat ridge heading to the West >>North West keep a close >>watch on >>both sides of the road, the dig area's are well >>within sight and are just >>that, holes. >>Good luck with the ankle. >> >>Wayne >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "g mcguinness" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:04 PM >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian >> >> >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>After spending several days hunting the illusive >>>pumpkin obsidian at Glass Butte, I was wondering >>> >>> >>if >> >> >>>anybody could enlighten me about general location. >>> >>> >> I >> >> >>>know it's supposed to be somewhere away from most >>>collecting areas but given the amount of territory >>>that covers i could probably spend the rest of my >>> >>> >>life >> >> >>>looking for it. I did manage to fracture my ankle >>> >>> >>at >> >> >>>the last minute, so I probably won't be looking >>> >>> >>too >> >> >>>hard the rest of this summer...aargh! >>> >>>Thanks for any information, Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >____________________________________________________________________________________ > > >>>Be a better friend, newshound, and >>>know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >>> >>> >>> >http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>> >>> >>> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>> >>> >>Policy: >> >> >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>Policy: >> >> >> >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From VevaBailey at aol.com Tue May 13 16:21:57 2008 From: VevaBailey at aol.com (VevaBailey@aol.com) Date: Tue May 13 16:22:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian Message-ID: Hello List!! Does anyone have some of this Pumpkin Obsidian for sale? I would really love to go and look for it, but unfortunately, I messed up my lower sacro area and can barely walk. Because of this I missed the Rock and Gem show in Reno. I have never seen Pumpkin Obsidian. Is there other colors? One of my goals is to own at least one piece of every mineral, rock and gem in the world. My husband, said he was going to move out so I would have more room for my collections. But in the meantime I still have a workshop and garage to fill. LOL. So, I told him he could stay!! LOL I live in Nevada, so if there is any of this Obsidian here Please let me know. Veva Bailey aka Dale ________________________________________________________________________ In a message dated 5/13/2008 12:54:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kcbaran@arczip.com writes: Wayne. I thank you also. I have tried on several occasions to find the elusive Pumpkin Obsidian to no avail. No, it shall not elude me. Chuck Baran g mcguinness wrote: >Hi Wayne, > >Thanks for the information. I'm dying to get back out >there. I've become a bit "obsidian crazed" but i'm >going to take this forced down time to learn a bit >more about Oregon geology (and sharpen my tools). >Thanks again, donna >--- Wayne Rasmussen wrote: > > > >>Donna, >> >>Take the main road into the collecting area off the >>main highway which heads >>South, >>you will see the road climbing a steep hill, stay >>on this main road, it >>will soon break >>over that hill going into a draw of about 1/2 mile >>or so, when the road >>climbs up and >>onto a more or less flat ridge heading to the West >>North West keep a close >>watch on >>both sides of the road, the dig area's are well >>within sight and are just >>that, holes. >>Good luck with the ankle. >> >>Wayne >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "g mcguinness" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:04 PM >>Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian >> >> >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>After spending several days hunting the illusive >>>pumpkin obsidian at Glass Butte, I was wondering >>> >>> >>if >> >> >>>anybody could enlighten me about general location. >>> >>> >> I >> >> >>>know it's supposed to be somewhere away from most >>>collecting areas but given the amount of territory >>>that covers i could probably spend the rest of my >>> >>> >>life >> >> >>>looking for it. I did manage to fracture my ankle >>> >>> >>at >> >> >>>the last minute, so I probably won't be looking >>> >>> >>too >> >> >>>hard the rest of this summer...aargh! >>> >>>Thanks for any information, Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >_____________________________________________________________________________ _______ > > >>>Be a better friend, newshound, and >>>know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >>> >>> >>> >http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>> >>> >>> >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> >> >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>> >>> >>Policy: >> >> >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>Subscription Services: >>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>Policy: >> >> >> >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From nospam at orerockon.com Tue May 13 17:13:23 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue May 13 17:13:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080513171012.035d18e0@orerockon.com> As it hasn't been dug for quite a few years (AFAIK), nor has the Tomato Soup (same location), I doubt anyone will have any to sell. My $0.02 worth. It is vaguely pumpkin colored, albeit it with black areas. The Tomato Soup is redder, as one might imagine. At 04:21 PM 5/13/2008, you wrote: > >Hello List!! >Does anyone have some of this Pumpkin Obsidian for sale? >I would really love to go and look for it, but unfortunately, I messed up my >lower sacro area and can barely walk. >Because of this I missed the Rock and Gem show in Reno. >I have never seen Pumpkin Obsidian. Is there other colors? >One of my goals is to own at least one piece of every mineral, rock and gem >in the world. >My husband, said he was going to move out so I would have more room for my >collections. >But in the meantime I still have a workshop and garage to fill. LOL. >So, I told him he could stay!! LOL >I live in Nevada, so if there is any of this Obsidian here Please let me >know. > >Veva Bailey aka Dale > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From kcbaran at arczip.com Tue May 13 17:40:43 2008 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Tue May 13 17:43:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20080513171012.035d18e0@orerockon.com> References: <7.0.0.16.2.20080513171012.035d18e0@orerockon.com> Message-ID: <482A350B.1050301@arczip.com> Dale: I just went through about 300lbs of various obsidian that may wife and I collected from Glass Butte last year. I found several pieces of pumpkin. If you would like to e-mail me your snail mail address, I would be more than happy to send you a chunk, gratis. Also let me know if you would like it cut. Chuck Baran Tim Fisher wrote: > As it hasn't been dug for quite a few years (AFAIK), nor has the > Tomato Soup (same location), I doubt anyone will have any to sell. My > $0.02 worth. It is vaguely pumpkin colored, albeit it with black > areas. The Tomato Soup is redder, as one might imagine. > > At 04:21 PM 5/13/2008, you wrote: > >> >> Hello List!! >> Does anyone have some of this Pumpkin Obsidian for sale? >> I would really love to go and look for it, but unfortunately, I >> messed up my >> lower sacro area and can barely walk. >> Because of this I missed the Rock and Gem show in Reno. >> I have never seen Pumpkin Obsidian. Is there other colors? >> One of my goals is to own at least one piece of every mineral, rock >> and gem >> in the world. >> My husband, said he was going to move out so I would have more room >> for my >> collections. >> But in the meantime I still have a workshop and garage to fill. LOL. >> So, I told him he could stay!! LOL >> I live in Nevada, so if there is any of this Obsidian here Please let me >> know. >> >> Veva Bailey aka Dale >> > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On! > Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Tue May 13 23:23:03 2008 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Wed May 14 00:13:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian References: <332188.83442.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4829F136.5090801@arczip.com> Message-ID: <000001c8b592$02745450$6b5fe842@Titans> The pits Tim is speaking of are harder to find alright, the ones I speak of are newer and are in plain sight of the road, just drive along slowly scanning each side to suddenly see holes in the ground. Have fun and make sure you wear eye protectors, getting the pieces out of the flow will cause some to send flying chips here and there. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Baran" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian > Wayne. I thank you also. I have tried on several occasions to find the > elusive Pumpkin Obsidian to no avail. No, it shall not elude me. > > Chuck Baran > > g mcguinness wrote: > >>Hi Wayne, >> >>Thanks for the information. I'm dying to get back out >>there. I've become a bit "obsidian crazed" but i'm >>going to take this forced down time to learn a bit >>more about Oregon geology (and sharpen my tools). Thanks again, donna >>--- Wayne Rasmussen wrote: >> >> >>>Donna, >>> >>>Take the main road into the collecting area off the >>>main highway which heads South, >>>you will see the road climbing a steep hill, stay >>>on this main road, it will soon break >>>over that hill going into a draw of about 1/2 mile >>>or so, when the road climbs up and >>>onto a more or less flat ridge heading to the West >>>North West keep a close watch on >>>both sides of the road, the dig area's are well >>>within sight and are just that, holes. >>>Good luck with the ankle. >>> >>>Wayne >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "g mcguinness" >>>To: >>>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:04 PM >>>Subject: [Rockhounds] Pumpkin Obsidian >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>After spending several days hunting the illusive >>>>pumpkin obsidian at Glass Butte, I was wondering >>>> >>>if >>> >>>>anybody could enlighten me about general location. >>>> >>> I >>> >>>>know it's supposed to be somewhere away from most >>>>collecting areas but given the amount of territory >>>>that covers i could probably spend the rest of my >>>> >>>life >>> >>>>looking for it. I did manage to fracture my ankle >>>> >>>at >>> >>>>the last minute, so I probably won't be looking >>>> >>>too >>> >>>>hard the rest of this summer...aargh! >>>> >>>>Thanks for any information, Donna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >> >>>>Be a better friend, newshound, and >>>>know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >>>> >>http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >>>>-- >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>>Subscription Services: >>>> >>>> >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>> >>>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>>> >>>Policy: >>> >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >>>-- >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >>>Subscription Services: >>>http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >>>List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage >>>Policy: >>> >>> >>http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From wisoh at msn.com Wed May 14 13:32:30 2008 From: wisoh at msn.com (JAMES BUDNIK) Date: Wed May 14 13:30:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing References: <48297B76.5080203@ptd.net> <003b01c8b51e$39618d80$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: I am a member of the list but my club show did not make it. wisoh@msn.com is the address I use all the time. So I do not know what I did wrong. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: John Siebel To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing Judy, You need to make sure that the email address that you send from is subscribed as a member of the Rockhound List. Non-member posts are filtered out as Spam and I don't always have the time to read through the hundreds of daily Spam hits to post the relevant ones. John Siebel Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BUDNIK" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 How do you get a club show listed? I sent my club show listing and did not see it come up on my computer. Judy -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed May 14 13:35:53 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed May 14 13:40:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing References: <48297B76.5080203@ptd.net><003b01c8b51e$39618d80$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <003401c8b602$2f00f1c0$0300a8c0@warren> Hey, Judy, If you can forward me a copy of what you sent (as you sent it) then I might be able to tell more. Did you send it to a bunch of people or lists *including* the rockhounds list, at the same time? The software used to run the list will kick it out, if that's the case. I forget what the limit is off the top of my head...maybe 4, maybe 5? Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BUDNIK" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing I am a member of the list but my club show did not make it. wisoh@msn.com is the address I use all the time. So I do not know what I did wrong. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: John Siebel To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing Judy, You need to make sure that the email address that you send from is subscribed as a member of the Rockhound List. Non-member posts are filtered out as Spam and I don't always have the time to read through the hundreds of daily Spam hits to post the relevant ones. John Siebel Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BUDNIK" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 How do you get a club show listed? I sent my club show listing and did not see it come up on my computer. Judy -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Wed May 14 13:38:13 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Wed May 14 13:40:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing References: <48297B76.5080203@ptd.net><003b01c8b51e$39618d80$0200a8c0@Notebook> Message-ID: <003901c8b602$75e54a50$0300a8c0@warren> Actually - I see two show listings from you... (Cincinnati that you sent on the 1st, and Berks sent on the 13th.) I think that perhaps you have your rockhounds account set to send you copies of your own posts. I can't check it right now, but I will a bit later. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BUDNIK" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing I am a member of the list but my club show did not make it. wisoh@msn.com is the address I use all the time. So I do not know what I did wrong. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: John Siebel To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] [ADMIN] Re: Show Listing Judy, You need to make sure that the email address that you send from is subscribed as a member of the Rockhound List. Non-member posts are filtered out as Spam and I don't always have the time to read through the hundreds of daily Spam hits to post the relevant ones. John Siebel Admin Team ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES BUDNIK" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Berks Mineralogical Society Show 5/17 5/18 How do you get a club show listed? I sent my club show listing and did not see it come up on my computer. Judy -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From territoones1 at ameritech.net Wed May 14 18:50:41 2008 From: territoones1 at ameritech.net (teresa jetter) Date: Wed May 14 18:50:45 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: <8CA81B6978DEA8E-1B68-24EF@webmail-nb03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <573066.39075.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey all, thank you for that web address. I can never turn down a new place to rockhound. Teri Jetter --- jscully216@aol.com wrote: > The State of Maine puts out a good book on places to > rockhound.? Contact Woody Thompson at > woodrow.b.thompson@maine.gov?for infomation. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Bull > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock > and gem collectors > Sent: Sun, 11 May 2008 9:17 am > Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip > > > > > The best source is "A Collector's Guide to Maine > Mineral Localities". Most Main > mineral shops should have it in stock if you cannot > find it with an online > search. It is an excellent source much better than > the one you mention. > > Good collecting, > > Larry> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> From: > codeburner@gmail.com> To: > rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: [Rockhounds] > Our summer trip> > We are > heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 > days and then up> to > Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia > NP. Maybe a side trip> to > Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue > Ridge.> > We plan on fossiling in > Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> > then doing Herkimers in NY. > I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> > (Northeast Rockhounding or some > such) but they just notified us that they> don't > have it and don't expect to > find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book > or ideas for Maine?> > All > this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the > blackfly season is over> by > then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is > not real at all. It is an > illusion of> reality with which we create our own > private world."> Arnold > Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, USA> > photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts > ---> multipart/alternative> > text/plain (text body -- kept)> text/html> ---> -- > > _______________________________________________> > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription > Services:> > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy:> > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel > with you. > http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage > Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From sjs132 at accesstoledo.com Wed May 14 19:08:59 2008 From: sjs132 at accesstoledo.com (Steve Shimatzki) Date: Wed May 14 19:12:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] [SHOW] Toledo Gem and Rockhound Club - OPENHOUSE Message-ID: <20080514190951.A6C1EB93@dm0201.mta.everyone.net> Hello All, Just wanted to get the word out incase anyone is close to the Toledo, Ohio Area. Our Rock Club will be having an open house this weekend, May 17th and May 18th. We open @ 10am and go until 5pm each day. We will have a few vendors, but they are all club members. We also have some gem trees making for the kids and other little projects to introduce people to our club. This will be held at the Toledo Botanical Garden's, Crosby Conference Center, 5403 Elmer Dr., Toledo OH If you would like more information about our club you may find it here: http://www.toledogemandrockhoundclub.com Long range planners may want to mark our annual show in September: 5th, 6th, 7th. This is a big show with over 20 venders. More information will be available on the website also as we get closer to the show. (Current flyer is in the online newsletter at the website above.) Thank you, -Steve Stephen Shimatzki Toledo Gem and Rockhound Club From folmstead at rcn.com Wed May 14 20:38:23 2008 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Wed May 14 20:46:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Picher, OK Mining Museum.... In-Reply-To: <573066.39075.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <573066.39075.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482BB02F.9050103@rcn.com> Does any one have info about the status of Picher Mining Field Museum in Picher, Oklahoma... artifacts and ... since the tornado? I tried sending an email I had for the museum but rec.. undeliverable message. Thank you GeorgiaO From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed May 14 21:00:13 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed May 14 20:57:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Picher, OK Mining Museum.... In-Reply-To: <482BB02F.9050103@rcn.com> References: <573066.39075.qm@web81705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <482BB02F.9050103@rcn.com> Message-ID: <482BB54D.5060603@verizon.net> Frederick Olmstead wrote: > > Does any one have info about the status of > Picher Mining Field Museum in Picher, Oklahoma... > artifacts and ... I don't know, but I heard on NPR that the gov't was considering just abandoning the town. Apparently very few people still lived there and they don't think it is feasible to rebuild anything. Plus there is some issue with post-mining contamination. Sad. best, Don From rocknlight at aol.com Wed May 14 21:12:28 2008 From: rocknlight at aol.com (rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Wed May 14 21:12:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] FRANK passing of a rockhound In-Reply-To: <8CA824F8CA4F1CE-16A0-439@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA824F8CA4F1CE-16A0-439@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA845905688A44-A64-C77@webmail-nd02.sysops.aol.com> Frank Thank you for informing us all of Ernie's passing - My brother and I visited Ernie about?8 or 9?years ago and purchased a bunch of bone. He also gave us a BIG?treat and?took us into one of his back rooms and showed us 2 HUGE, intact?dino bones - As I remember and my Video tape?shows,?the 2?bones?looked like dog chew?bones, but were about 5? feet in length and about 12 + inches thick. Probably weighed in at over 1,000 pounds each He said?he wanted about $25,000 each, but would not sell them anyway...... Out of my price range for sure.. Ernie and his Australian helper guy, can't remember his name,?talked with my brother and I?for a few hours, while we looked at all his dino bone rough and slabs. In the last few minutes of our visit, Ernie had my Brother Paul toss a rock for Ernie's dog, Blue.... Blue gladly?fetched the rock?a few times and then Ernie told my brother to toss the rock REALLY FAR !? He did and Blue looked at how far the rock went and then Blue?promptly turned around and quickly?attacked my brothers foot, with a terrible lightning fast vengeance !! Ernie seemed to have?a strange sense of humor sometimes, as he told us all new comers fall for?the rock tossing trick and get they all?get bit by old Blue, for tossing the rock too far... Not very funny really, as my brother limped on that foot for the next 4 days... Luckily he had leather-like boots on and no permanent damage was done. Ernie's helper guy, from Australia I think ??was not so lucky and showed us many?6 inch long bite marks on the back of his leg, as Blue got pissed off at him for something ?? CRAZY ? I remember running into a well known?Petrified Wood dealer in Quartzite, his name eludes me now?and he told that he adopted one of Blues puppies and after some time, Blues son or daughter dog ??got into too much trouble, attacking things and he was then sadly?forced to put the dog down - True story - Blue was one rough and?tough cookie, kind of like Ernie, but in a good way overall... Ernie will be missed?!!? I Do not Know if Blue is still alive, probably not... So Blue?and Ernie are now together again, in rockhound Heaven. Thank you for the nice memories of that day my Brother and I?had with Ernie Shirley. Steve -----Original Message----- From: cycadwood@aol.com To: PetrifiedWood@egroups.com; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Mon, 12 May 2008 6:59 am Subject: [Rockhounds] passing of a rockhound Ernie Shirley of Hanksville, Utah passed away on May 10. He was the owner of the big rock shop in Hanksville and will be missed. I saw him in March and he was doing all right for being 89 years old. I went to see him again last week and was told he was in the hospital but was expected back in a few days. He was a fine man with a tremendous amount of knowledge about the petrified wood and dinosaur bone of southern Utah. May he rest in Peace. Sadly, Frank Frank Daniels Minerals & Fossils Grand Junction, Colorado www.FrankDanielsMinerals.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From bova at mindspring.com Thu May 15 10:31:07 2008 From: bova at mindspring.com (bova@mindspring.com) Date: Thu May 15 10:31:14 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Picher, OK Mining Museum.... Message-ID: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The Picher museum took a buyout to leave the area and relocate the collection to the Baxter Springs Historical Society Museum in Baxter Springs, Kansas las October. Oct 23, 2007 "Buyout closing Picher's museum; Baxter Springs new home for history of mining field" http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_story_296002754.html?start:int=15 I wasn't able to locate any news stories confirming the move though. News reports this week said there were 800 residents remaining in Picher before the tornado, and the governor affirmed this week that state relocation buyouts would still be available to those residents. Short video of the tornado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2obd362ZaM&feature=related The devastation is mind-boggling. This video of some of the damage in Picher shows one of the chat piles of lead and zinc waste and dust. The tornado went through many of these chat piles, and that material and fine dust could have been blown across miles of the tornado path. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSLSBvtUX-E&feature=related The EPA says preliminary tests indicated particulate levels weren't high enough to raise health concerns. They will continue to monitor the situation during debris removal. But you have to wonder about the long-range impact. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90LI3HG1&show_article=1 Carol -----Original Message----- >From: DonH >Sent: May 15, 2008 12:00 AM >To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" >Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Picher, OK Mining Museum.... > >Frederick Olmstead wrote: > >> >> Does any one have info about the status of >> Picher Mining Field Museum in Picher, Oklahoma... >> artifacts and ... > >I don't know, but I heard on NPR that the gov't was considering just >abandoning the town. Apparently very few people still lived there and >they don't think it is feasible to rebuild anything. Plus there is some >issue with post-mining contamination. Sad. > >best, >Don > From tjokela at execulink.com Thu May 15 10:46:00 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Thu May 15 10:49:07 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior> I'm planning a trip to NY sometime this summer, perhaps next week, to hammer my brains out in search of "Herkimer diamonds" at Crystal Grove. I know the basics, and have plenty of hammers, many pounds of spring steel wedges, and the mandatory strong back and weak mind. However, I've never collected at Crystal Grove, so does anybody have any hints or tips? Concentrate on the wall, or try working down into the floor? Where are the pockets concentrated? I'm also a fanatical fly fisher, so any trouty tips would be cool. Much thanks for any help! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com From betdav97 at aol.com Thu May 15 11:12:56 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Thu May 15 11:13:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? In-Reply-To: <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <8CA84CE6F8D88FE-177C-22C4@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Tim, When we visited Crystal Grove I was very, very disappointed. I would try Fonda or one of the others. But that was few years ago and things may have changed greatly. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jokela Jr. To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 1:46 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? I'm planning a trip to NY sometime this summer, perhaps next week, to hammer my brains out in search of "Herkimer diamonds" at Crystal Grove.? ? I know the basics, and have plenty of hammers, many pounds of spring steel wedges, and the mandatory strong back and weak mind.? ? However, I've never collected at Crystal Grove, so does anybody have any hints or tips? Concentrate on the wall, or try working down into the floor? Where are the pockets concentrated?? ? I'm also a fanatical fly fisher, so any trouty tips would be cool. Much thanks for any help!? ? Cheers,? ? Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com? Business: http://www.element51.com? Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com? ? -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? From Ted at crystalgems.com Thu May 15 13:10:17 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Thu May 15 13:10:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? In-Reply-To: <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Tim: It's been several years (3 or 4) since I was last there. You can find pockets from the surface down to at least 12 feet. (I've yet to see layers without quartz pockets of some sort) Different layers have different quality of pockets. The ones near the surface to 5-6 feet are mostly small with druse and occasional small herkimers. The next few feet are mostly small pockets (less than 1 foot in any dimension), but can have herkimers to large walnut or small lemon size, often with anthraxolite. Under that, especially along cracks you can find pockets with larger herkimers, but rarely perfect clear crystals (mostly cracked). A caveat, my best and most perfect crystal group mounted on druse came from a pocket on a vertical crack about eight feet down from the surface. The day I was leaving camp I gave up the hole I was working to a married couple; they broke into a pocket that had one large (long lemon) crystal with perfect points. They carted the fifty pounds of dolomite the crystal was attached to and gave it prime seating in their car to be worked on later. Most of the serious quartz hunters seem to work on the floor in various places (no logic that I could see); drill down till you can start splitting horizontally. Basically the choice is like other places, break the wall down till you reach a good layer or start closer on the floor. I highly recommend that you look into carbide tipped chisels (http://trowandholden.com/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=7627911.23441*e52_ _7&product=cat1) (watch the link split across lines). Crystal Grove dolomite (like much of the Herkimer area) has all of the toughest features of limestone and sandstone and very few of their weaknesses. It absorbs shock and blunts steel very rapidly; the carbide is much better. The Smithsonian has a wonderful Herkimer pocket on display, complete with car spring chisels bent curly que style and seemingly permanently imbedded. Crystal Grove has a few vertical cracks and there are weak areas horizontally that allow you to break a shelf of rock off. Turn over any broken shelves to see if you have exposed crystals before hammering them to pieces. Once loose, the shelves are easily broken smaller. Bring play-doh. Whenever you find yourself working near an exposed crystal, smack a good sized gob of play doh on it. The play doh will a absorb some of the shock and more importantly prevent the crystal from leaving the rock and joining ground detritus for others to find. (Trust me, when you smack the rock with a good blow, exposed crystals vanish off into the distance). If you do manage to smack the rock hard enough to bump the play doh off, the crystal should still be in the play doh. My last time there, there was a hole someone else drilled into the floor that was subsequently filled with water and rocks. I bucketed the water out and threw the rocks as far as I could. Yes it was muddy and messy, but I loved the fact that I didn't have to drill down first. My best Herkimer that day went to a little girl (about 6-7) who I promised the "next stones" out of a pocket I had opened. I was reaching in and pulling out crystals, I already had plenty and never thought a water clear large walnut sized Herkimer would be the next stone pulled out after I made my promise. As I sat there, more than a little dumbfounded, the little girl's mother told me to keep it. Uh uh, nothing doing; a promise is a promise. Besides I still had plenty of smaller nice crystals. Once you hit a layer with pockets, that same layer should be good for more. Enjoy! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jokela Jr. Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:46 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? I'm planning a trip to NY sometime this summer, perhaps next week, to hammer my brains out in search of "Herkimer diamonds" at Crystal Grove. I know the basics, and have plenty of hammers, many pounds of spring steel wedges, and the mandatory strong back and weak mind. However, I've never collected at Crystal Grove, so does anybody have any hints or tips? Concentrate on the wall, or try working down into the floor? Where are the pockets concentrated? I'm also a fanatical fly fisher, so any trouty tips would be cool. Much thanks for any help! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From betdav97 at aol.com Thu May 15 14:58:11 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Thu May 15 14:58:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? In-Reply-To: <001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior> <001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> Message-ID: <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com> When we were there, about twenty years ago, before kids, there ws no wall. Unless you could call a two foot ledge a wall. I did find one nice double terminated calcite crystal, which I understand is unusal. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ted Kowalski To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Thu, 15 May 2008 4:10 pm Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? Tim: It's been several years (3 or 4) since I was last there. You can find pockets from the surface down to at least 12 feet. (I've yet to see layers without quartz pockets of some sort) Different layers have different quality of pockets. The ones near the surface to 5-6 feet are mostly small with druse and occasional small herkimers. The next few feet are mostly small pockets (less than 1 foot in any dimension), but can have herkimers to large walnut or small lemon size, often with anthraxolite. Under that, especially along cracks you can find pockets with larger herkimers, but rarely perfect clear crystals (mostly cracked). A caveat, my best and most perfect crystal group mounted on druse came from a pocket on a vertical crack about eight feet down from the surface. The day I was leaving camp I gave up the hole I was working to a married couple; they broke into a pocket that had one large (long lemon) crystal with perfect points. They carted the fifty pounds of dolomite the crystal was attached to and gave it prime seating in their car to be worked on later. Most of the serious quartz hunters seem to work on the floor in various places (no logic that I could see); drill down till you can start splitting horizontally. Basically the choice is like other places, break the wall down till you reach a good layer or start closer on the floor. I highly recommend that you look into carbide tipped chisels (http://trowandholden.com/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=7627911.23441*e 52_ _7&product=cat1) (watch the link split across lines). Crystal Grove dolomite (like much of the Herkimer area) has all of the toughest features of limestone and sandstone and very few of their weaknesses. It absorbs shock and blunts steel very rapidly; the carbide is much better. The Smithsonian has a wonderful Herkimer pocket on display, complete with car spring chisels bent curly que style and seemingly permanently imbedded. Crystal Grove has a few vertical cracks and there are weak areas horizontally that allow you to break a shelf of rock off. Turn over any broken shelves to see if you have exposed crystals before hammering them to pieces. Once loose, the shelves are easily broken smaller. Bring play-doh. Whenever you find yourself working near an exposed crystal, smack a good sized gob of play doh on it. The play doh will a absorb some of the shock and more importantly prevent the crystal from leaving the rock and joining ground detritus for others to find. (Trust me, when you smack the rock with a good blow, exposed crystals vanish off into the distance). If you do manage to smack the rock hard enough to bump the play doh off, the crystal should still be in the play doh. My last time there, there was a hole someone else drilled into the floor that was subsequently filled with water and rocks. I bucketed the water out and threw the rocks as far as I could. Yes it was muddy and messy, but I loved the fact that I didn't have to drill down first. My best Herkimer that day went to a little girl (about 6-7) who I promised the "next stones" out of a pocket I had opened. I was reaching in and pulling out crystals, I already had plenty and never thought a water clear large walnut sized Herkimer would be the next stone pulled out after I made my promise. As I sat there, more than a little dumbfounded, the little girl's mother told me to keep it. Uh uh, nothing doing; a promise is a promise. Besides I still had plenty of smaller nice crystals. Once you hit a layer with pockets, that same layer should be good for more. Enjoy! Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jokela Jr. Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:46 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] collecting herkimers at Crystal Grove? I'm planning a trip to NY sometime this summer, perhaps next week, to hammer my brains out in search of "Herkimer diamonds" at Crystal Grove. I know the basics, and have plenty of hammers, many pounds of spring steel wedges, and the mandatory strong back and weak mind. However, I've never collected at Crystal Grove, so does anybody have any hints or tips? Concentrate on the wall, or try working down into the floor? Where are the pockets concentrated? I'm also a fanatical fly fisher, so any trouty tips would be cool. Much thanks for any help! Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net Fri May 16 02:24:33 2008 From: edwardjwagner at bellsouth.net (edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri May 16 02:24:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Summer Field Trips Message-ID: <051620080924.26383.482D52D10001964E0000670F22216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> Hello All: I would like to recommend that anyone wishing to enjoy collecting sites in the SE US this summer to log on to rick@wncrocks.com regarding the scheduled MAGMA field trips. Pay attention to the Rock Roundup, held at the samne time as the Spruce Pine/Grassy Creek rock shows. Even if you are returning from collecting site(s), this is a great opportunity to trade, or get WNC and other material. Also, even if you have collected "Too Much", and the partner is complaining about where to put it all when you get home, this is a good opportunity to "share" (read:distribute) the material amongst other mineral enthusiasts who may not ever get to those sites. Anyhow, check it out. MAGMA is one of the most active clubs in the area, and one can see from their website what has been found lately. In view of development and the closing of formerly open mine sites, this group keeps a foot in the rockhounding door, so to speak. Again, it's worth your time to log on to the web site. Ed Wa gner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) multipart/related text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Fri May 16 03:48:35 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Fri May 16 03:48:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Summer Field Trips In-Reply-To: <051620080924.26383.482D52D10001964E0000670F22216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> References: <051620080924.26383.482D52D10001964E0000670F22216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A02090E99060B9D0E990B0A@att.net> Message-ID: <001501c8b742$647d31b0$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I absolutely agree with Ed. MAGMA seems to be very much alive and if I wasn't on another continent I would join them. I've seen some apatite from the (W)Ray Mica Mine that nicely glows under SW UV, as does the Spruce Pine Hyalite on feldspar. Both collected by Ed. Judging from their website http://www.wncrocks.com/magma/magma.htm their slogan "99% Digging, 1% Talk" is more than just a motto. ;-))) Nothing bad said about other mineral clubs but when it comes to digging they don't mind getting down to earth (LOL). Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens > edwardjwagner@bellsouth.net > Verzonden: vrijdag 16 mei 2008 10:25 > Aan: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Onderwerp: [Rockhounds] Summer Field Trips > > Hello All: I would like to recommend that anyone wishing to > enjoy collecting sites in the SE US this summer to log on to > rick@wncrocks.com regarding the scheduled MAGMA field trips. > Pay attention to the Rock Roundup, held at the samne time as > the Spruce Pine/Grassy Creek rock shows. Even if you are > returning from collecting site(s), this is a great > opportunity to trade, or get WNC and other material. Also, > even if you have collected "Too Much", and the partner is > complaining about where to put it all when you get home, this > is a good opportunity to "share" (read:distribute) the > material amongst other mineral enthusiasts who may not ever > get to those sites. Anyhow, check it out. MAGMA is one of > the most active clubs in the area, and one can see from their > website what has been found lately. In view of development > and the closing of formerly open mine sites, this group keeps > a foot in the rockhounding door, so to speak. Again, it's > worth your time to log on to the web site! > . Ed Wa > gner > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > multipart/related > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From greenshift at yahoo.com Fri May 16 12:02:28 2008 From: greenshift at yahoo.com (James River Martin) Date: Fri May 16 12:02:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello from Santa Fe, New Mexico (USA) Message-ID: <683590.83194.qm@web52704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello. I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I'm James R. Martin. I live in Santa Fe, NM, and I've joined this list in large part because I'd like to talk with people in my state, region and/or town. I'm open to talking with others, of course. But my main interest is in discussing rockhounding (etc.) in my "neck of the woods". I've always liked rocks and minerals--and fossils--, but never really pursued rockhounding much. Recently, however, I have picked up some guidebooks for rockhounds.... (more later) Any New Mexicans in here? From greenshift at yahoo.com Fri May 16 12:38:54 2008 From: greenshift at yahoo.com (James River Martin) Date: Fri May 16 12:42:56 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hello from Santa Fe, New Mexico (USA) Message-ID: <457857.89223.qm@web52707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello. James Martin here. I'm new. This is my first post. I've always enjoyed and appreciated rocks, fossils, minerals..., but only recently am I systematically pursuing "hobby" rockhounding. I have a couple of guide books for New Mexico which I keep beside my camping, hotsprings, etc., guide books -- and which I take with me when I travel the state. I'm particularly intrested in making connections with other New Mexicans who can share some of their knowledge and experience. I'm pretty much a beginner. [I'm mainly interested in rockhounding in New Mexico and the Four Corners states of the Southwest.] Respond in the list, or you can contact me directly at greenshift@yahoo.com From talstenex63 at yahoo.com Fri May 16 19:33:49 2008 From: talstenex63 at yahoo.com (Tim Stenning) Date: Fri May 16 19:34:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Hounding on the Olympic Peninsular:where?? Message-ID: <843622.8324.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I am new to this list. I have recently moved to Forks on the West side of the Olympic Peninsular in Washington. While walking the beaches I have begun collecting rocks and am now quite curious to learn more of mineralogy, petrology, gems, tumbling, cutting and finding interesting specimens. I've often thought this pursuit would interest me. I've paid attention at a few rock shows and got very interested in Sri Lanka and also in Brazil where I visited the state of Minas Gerais (Oro Preto and Belo Horizonte) and spoke with some gem experts. Anyway, what I really would like is to get a few hints as to good rock pickings on the Olympic Peninsular. So far I have just stumbled along picking up some things that have caught my eye on Rialto Beach near La Push. I tumbled a bunch and I think they are stunning. So, if anybody can direct me to good areas, reference material and clubs I would be over-joyed. Thanks, Tim Stenning, Forks, Washington txsten@yahoo.com From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon May 19 15:04:50 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon May 19 15:05:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule In-Reply-To: References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <021801c8b9fc$5cb45b40$6601a8c0@okapi> I never knew you could find willemite is a septarian nodule! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249255643 Gary http://www.catspaw-minerals.com Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk From volgems at icx.net Mon May 19 15:40:31 2008 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Mon May 19 15:40:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule Message-ID: <9133745.1211236831439.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I've sold a lot of these over the years. I've seen LOTS more. In every one of them, the yellow crystals inside were calcite. I'm not saying that willemite does not occur in them, I'm just saying that I've never seen one. Nor have I talked with anyone that has. That is, up until "this one"! Wow! Live long enough and you'll see just about everything. John -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Brown >Sent: May 19, 2008 6:04 PM >To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule > >I never knew you could find willemite is a septarian nodule! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249255643 > >Gary >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com >Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Mon May 19 15:43:25 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Mon May 19 15:43:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule In-Reply-To: <021801c8b9fc$5cb45b40$6601a8c0@okapi> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> <021801c8b9fc$5cb45b40$6601a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <8CA8818E1A4674B-3A0-1C6E@webmail-ne17.sysops.aol.com> This is amusing. In fact, I have seen this same paragraph, or most of it, repeated on some printed labels that we, at the USGS in Denver, had received along with a pile of leftover "heel" pieces of sawn septarians that had once been donated to us by a rock shop, for giveaways to teachers.? I had not noticed the reference to "willemite" in it, though; perhaps our version did not include that. What both versions do say, though, are these lines, "The name Septarian is derived from the Latin name, Septem, meaning seven. This relates to the fact that the mud balls cracked with 7 points in every direction, thereby creating the beautiful design." When I had first read that, my reaction had been, "I don't think so."? I just double checked this in an online dictionary (dictionary.com); it says, as I have always understood, that "septarian" is derived from the Latin word "septum", NOT "septem"; meaning an enclosure or partion; the term is used in biology: a dividing wall, membrane, or the like, in a plant or animal structure; dissepiment. [Origin: 1710?20; < L s?ptum, var. of saeptum enclosure Another P.S. (to what you may read in that paragraph from the ebay ad about the septarians), it says that the mineral layers in the septarians include both calcite and aragonite.? To my knowledge this is not correct; there are layers of calcite of different colors (brown and yellow), but I have tested both by X-ray diffraction, and they are all calcite, just different generations of mineral growth colored differently by impurities. Just all demonstrating again that you can't believe a lot of what you see, or read, that is for sale on ebay! Pete Modreski -----Original Message----- From: Gary Brown To: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors' Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 4:04 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule I never knew you could find willemite is a septarian nodule! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249255643 Gary ttp://www.catspaw-minerals.com ome of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk -- ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Mon May 19 16:14:42 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Mon May 19 16:14:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule In-Reply-To: <8CA8818E1A4674B-3A0-1C6E@webmail-ne17.sysops.aol.com> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> <021801c8b9fc$5cb45b40$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA8818E1A4674B-3A0-1C6E@webmail-ne17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <022e01c8ba06$1f4d9f50$6601a8c0@okapi> And the guy sends back to me THIS response: "Q: Willemite replaced the calcite so you are correct sir. Anyone else reading this please strike the word Calcite from Willemite Crystals. It was explained in the proper manner in the description just the same." Gosh, it must be PURE willemite!!! I wrote back telling him, more or less, that he was just plain wrong. *sigh* GcB From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Mon May 19 17:10:48 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Mon May 19 17:10:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule In-Reply-To: <8CA8818E1A4674B-3A0-1C6E@webmail-ne17.sysops.aol.com> References: <481BC8FD.7C9F@Tomaszewski.net> <021801c8b9fc$5cb45b40$6601a8c0@okapi> <8CA8818E1A4674B-3A0-1C6E@webmail-ne17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48321708.1080407@hawaiiantel.net> Note that the description also says "Willemite Calcite Crystal (the Yellow Centers) as if willemite were an adjective describing calcite, or a type of calcite. Aloha, Kitty pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > This is amusing. > > In fact, I have seen this same paragraph, or most of it, repeated on some printed labels that we, at the USGS in Denver, had received along with a pile of leftover "heel" pieces of sawn septarians that had once been donated to us by a rock shop, for giveaways to teachers. I had not noticed the reference to "willemite" in it, though; perhaps our version did not include that. > > From volgems at icx.net Mon May 19 18:08:46 2008 From: volgems at icx.net (John Teague) Date: Mon May 19 18:08:53 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule Message-ID: <30942378.1211245726824.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here is a "response" that I received from "kenrockncoins" concerning my questioning the willemite/calcite: *Willemite is a replaced form of calcite. This other, now blocked, ebayer *insists it's not. I apeased him in this auction and removed the word *Calcite from Willemite. The geological process is explained in the *auction and he's splitting hairs....Amateurs! *- kenrockncoins I checked mindat.org. Willemite is listed there from four locations in Utah (none with calcite): Emma Mine Galena Mine Utah Mine (Mill-John; Fish Mine) Vulcan Mine Maybe someone should grab this specimen as it seems to be truly "one of a kind"! Careful, don't get "blocked"! John -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Brown >Sent: May 19, 2008 6:04 PM >To: "'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors'" >Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule > >I never knew you could find willemite is a septarian nodule! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250249255643 > >Gary >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com >Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From julie at amazingagates.com Mon May 19 18:40:10 2008 From: julie at amazingagates.com (Amazing Agates) Date: Mon May 19 18:40:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] RE: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 48, Issue 18 Message-ID: <200805200139.m4K1dpQl006131@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-request@lists.drizzle.com To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: 5/19/08 8:02 PM Subject: Rockhounds Digest, Vol 48, Issue 18 From donhalterman at verizon.net Mon May 19 21:16:35 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Mon May 19 21:16:17 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule In-Reply-To: <30942378.1211245726824.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30942378.1211245726824.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <483250A3.1090907@verizon.net> John Teague wrote: > Here is a "response" that I received from "kenrockncoins" concerning my questioning the willemite/calcite: I've got that one beat. Here is his response to my helpful message: "Read the auction buttmunch, it's been revised. blockhead!" Oh, and this applies to all of us, I suppose, since he has it posted in the auction listing: "Nope, I made simple mistake with willemite included in the description, my son answered questions concerning it while I was at work today. The description needed to be repaired and has been to the best of my abilities with real bidders. The bunch of folks in the newsgroups with nothing better to do than to diatribe over it blew it way out of proportion, as lonely people tend to do. It's not willemite and just a plain old septarian. PS, Many if not all calcites do fluoresce under shortwave UV lighting." I reported this to eBay. Usually when I report hostile e-mails, the account gets suspended, and this guy sure deserves it. The bottom line is that eBay is an open marketplace and we shouldn't be surprised to see mislabeled or misrepresented items, whether the problem is intentional or accidental. From efkern at earthlink.net Mon May 19 21:22:03 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Mon May 19 21:22:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007, Senate Version of HR2262 Message-ID: <001801c8ba31$0edb0e20$7700a8c0@TheBlackAdder> >From the Palomar Gem & Mineral club (CA) email bulletin: S2750 is the Senate version of HR2262 "The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007"S2750 "The Abandoned Mine Reclamation Act of 2008" is being filled out with wording the anti-mining groups think they can get through the Senate. We have not been able to get our hands on any late term drafts. Please be sure to vote against this as well as leave your opinions here. http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_SN_2750.html http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_2262.html The 1872 mining law support petition is here. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/miningpolitics/ The bill is alive and well. S2750 has been referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources in the Senate. We have been warned by our Washington lobbyist that this issue is not dead and anti-mining forces are gathering to attempt to push a final version through the Senate this session. Be sure to let your Senators know you are against these radical and devastating changes to the mining law. http://www.49ermike.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=181&topic_id=78918&mesg_id=78918&page= --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Tue May 20 02:06:24 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Tue May 20 02:08:32 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule In-Reply-To: <483250A3.1090907@verizon.net> References: <30942378.1211245726824.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <483250A3.1090907@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000901c8ba58$c7c0d150$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Don & all. This guy has indeed an attitude that doesn't fit in with serious collectors. He is wrong about almost everything that he says (I wish that "many if not all calcites" would fluoresce under SW like he claims)... He's also very vague about the locality, Southern Utah, and this bothers me most. I live in Belgium, a small country about the size of Maine that will fit in Utah about 6.5 times and I wouldn't dream of selling someone a specimen from "the South of Belgium". I think we can all safely assume that this ill-informed (qua merchandise, mineralogy AND qua manners) seller is selling a calcite-filled septaria. I have two specimens that look exactly like the one that he offers and both are from Muddy Creek, Orderville, Kane Co., Utah, USA, which is indeed in the South of the state. In my view, the most beautiful specimen of the rarest mineral isn't worth a dime without a proper description of the locality. Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens DonH > Verzonden: dinsdag 20 mei 2008 5:17 > Aan: John Teague; Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for > rock and gem collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Wow! Willemite in a Septarian nodule > > John Teague wrote: > > > Here is a "response" that I received from "kenrockncoins" > concerning my questioning the willemite/calcite: > > I've got that one beat. Here is his response to my helpful message: > > "Read the auction buttmunch, it's been revised. blockhead!" > > Oh, and this applies to all of us, I suppose, since he has it > posted in the auction listing: > > "Nope, I made simple mistake with willemite included in the > description, my son answered questions concerning it while I > was at work today. The description needed to be repaired and > has been to the best of my abilities with real bidders. The > bunch of folks in the newsgroups with nothing better to do > than to diatribe over it blew it way out of proportion, as > lonely people tend to do. It's not willemite and just a plain > old septarian. PS, Many if not all calcites do fluoresce > under shortwave UV lighting." > > I reported this to eBay. Usually when I report hostile > e-mails, the account gets suspended, and this guy sure deserves it. > > The bottom line is that eBay is an open marketplace and we > shouldn't be surprised to see mislabeled or misrepresented > items, whether the problem is intentional or accidental. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From corson at infodyn.com Tue May 20 17:48:15 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Tue May 20 17:49:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Benitoites and other classics from old stock Message-ID: Fellow collectors, I have just posted a batch of Benitoite/Neptunite specimens on my web site. These have just been recently cleaned/prepped and released from material collected/mined about 20-25 years ago! They are very nice and priced to sell! I have also put up 2 very nice Tetrahedrites from Casapalca, Peru - again these are classic pieces from 1975! Rounding it out are a nice cabinet-sized Sphalerite from Huaron (25 years old) and a beautiful 1975 vintage Vivianite cluster from Huanuni, Bolivia. There is also a beautiful Acanthite with Native Silver from DaTong, China. See the URL below for pictures and more details: http://infodyn.dyndns.org:8880/cgi-bin/query_sku?Since=1m Thanks for looking! Best regards, Tom Corson ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ From betdav97 at aol.com Tue May 20 19:39:38 2008 From: betdav97 at aol.com (betdav97@aol.com) Date: Tue May 20 19:39:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Benitoites and other classics from old stock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA89030C3A5935-4A4-2D53@FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com> Sorry, but I can't seem to find the benitoites, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tom Corson To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 8:48 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Benitoites and other classics from old stock Fellow collectors, I have just posted a batch of Benitoite/Neptunite specimens on my web site. These have just been recently cleaned/prepped and released from material collected/mined about 20-25 years ago! They are very nice and priced to sell! I have also put up 2 very nice Tetrahedrites from Casapalca, Peru - again these are classic pieces from 1975! Rounding it out are a nice cabinet-sized Sphalerite from Huaron (25 years old) and a beautiful 1975 vintage Vivianite cluster from Huanuni, Bolivia. There is also a beautiful Acanthite with Native Silver from DaTong, China. See the URL below for pictures and more details: http://infodyn.dyndns.org:8880/cgi-bin/query_sku?Since=1m Thanks for looking! Best regards, Tom Corson ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From corson at infodyn.com Tue May 20 20:08:03 2008 From: corson at infodyn.com (Tom Corson) Date: Tue May 20 20:09:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Benitoites and other classics from old stock In-Reply-To: <8CA89030C3A5935-4A4-2D53@FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA89030C3A5935-4A4-2D53@FWM-D19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dave, Yes, sorry about that. All the Benitoites sold out within *minutes* of my announcing them. When I said they were priced to sell, even I didn't think they would go THAT fast! :-) Now, the good news is I am getting more tomorrow afternoon and will have them up on the site tomorrow evening. Anyone who is interested and missed out, just email me off list and I will send you an email when they are up so you can have first crack at them. They will be miniatures (very nice miniatures) priced from $30-$75, most probably around $40 or $50. Now, also turns out, I am going to be evaluating some which my source tells me have Benitoite crystals up to an inch across! I don't even know the price yet. It won't be cheap obviously for something in that size class, but my source is very reasonable in his pricing and I am passing that along to my customers. So, anyone who covets a "killer" Benitoite, email me off list and I provide photos/pricing as soon as I have the "goods" (again, late tomorrow). Thanks again and sorry they went so fast! Cheers, TC ________________________________ Thomas W. Corson OBG International corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 http://www.obgrocks.com World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors ________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: betdav97@aol.com [mailto:betdav97@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:40 PM > To: corson@infodyn.com; rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] AD: New Benitoites and other > classics from old stock > > > Sorry, but I can't seem to find the benitoites, Dave > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Corson > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Sent: Tue, 20 May 2008 8:48 pm > Subject: [Rockhounds] AD: New Benitoites and other classics > from old stock > > > > Fellow collectors, > > I have just posted a batch of Benitoite/Neptunite specimens on my web > site. > These have just been recently cleaned/prepped and released > from material > collected/mined about 20-25 years ago! They are very nice and > priced to > sell! > > I have also put up 2 very nice Tetrahedrites from Casapalca, Peru - > again > these are classic pieces from 1975! > > Rounding it out are a nice cabinet-sized Sphalerite from Huaron (25 > years > old) and a beautiful 1975 vintage Vivianite cluster from Huanuni, > Bolivia. > > There is also a beautiful Acanthite with Native Silver from DaTong, > China. > > See the URL below for pictures and more details: > http://infodyn.dyndns.org:8880/cgi-bin/query_sku?Since=1m > > Thanks for looking! > > Best regards, > Tom Corson > ________________________________ > > Thomas W. Corson OBG International > corson@infodyn.com 2435 E Mayview Drive > 520-225-0244 Green Valley, AZ 85614 > http://www.obgrocks.com > World Class Minerals For World Class Collectors > ________________________________ > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue May 20 20:29:46 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue May 20 20:29:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> I've found the following quote about the origin of the name, chabazite, on several websites including mindat. Only problem is I can't find the poem. I was curious to learn what the other 19 stones were, but can't find with or without Orpheus. Since Orpheus is part of Greek mythology, it's not like looking for a genuine poet. Anybody have any ideas? From Gk. chabazios, tune or melody, one of twenty stones named in the poem Peri lithos, which extolled the virtues of minerals. The poem is ascribed to Orpheus. Aloha, Kitty From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Tue May 20 21:04:38 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Tue May 20 21:05:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] commotion website OT Message-ID: <48339F56.8040502@hawaiiantel.net> When I was looking for info on chabazite I found the following: http://commotion.mojeauto.waw.pl/oligoplites/chabazite.php It looks like some kind of encryption or free association site that is complete nonsense. But it seems like a lot of effort went into it for no apparent reason. Anybody know if there's any use for it? Aloha, Kitty From Pmodreski at aol.com Tue May 20 21:34:21 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue May 20 21:34:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem Message-ID: Curious about that origin of the name "chabazite", Kitty, I would never have thought that; it never occurred to me to think about what the name of that particular mineral was derived from. Let us know if you find the poem! And I looked at the "nonsense" website; I have no idea either what all that is supposed to mean, other than it just being complete nonsense; or why, they happened to pick "chabazite" as a theme word in those nonsense paragraphs... But as a slight take-off on this, I can share my favorite silly mineral riddle with you & the List (have I done this before?). Here's the question: What can a dead dog, not do? (it has to do with minerals) (answer next time!) Pete **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com Tue May 20 21:39:08 2008 From: julie at pandemoniumgraphics.com (Julie Siebel) Date: Tue May 20 21:40:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem References: Message-ID: <002901c8bafc$a31e3550$0300a8c0@warren> Hadn't heard it but got it right away - lol Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem > Curious about that origin of the name "chabazite", Kitty, I would never > have > thought that; it never occurred to me to think about what the name of that > particular mineral was derived from. > > Let us know if you find the poem! > > And I looked at the "nonsense" website; I have no idea either what all > that > is supposed to mean, other than it just being complete nonsense; or why, > they > happened to pick "chabazite" as a theme word in those nonsense > paragraphs... > > But as a slight take-off on this, I can share my favorite silly mineral > riddle with you & the List (have I done this before?). Here's the > question: > > What can a dead dog, not do? > > (it has to do with minerals) > > (answer next time!) > > Pete > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on > family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From donhalterman at verizon.net Tue May 20 22:04:32 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Tue May 20 22:01:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4833AD60.7070808@verizon.net> Pmodreski@aol.com wrote: > Curious about that origin of the name "chabazite", Kitty, I would never have > thought that; it never occurred to me to think about what the name of that > particular mineral was derived from. > > Let us know if you find the poem! Interesting, Wikipedia has this reference: "The work Peri Lithon (On Stones) by Theophrastus (372-287 BC), a student of Aristotle, remained authoritative for millennia." My Greek is rusty, but I'm wondering if the difference between "lithos" and "lithon" is one of plurality, i.e., "stone" vs. "stones." Back to the thesis... Don From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed May 21 05:39:52 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Wed May 21 05:40:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <003a01c8bb3f$c4544550$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Kitty: Not a poem; and you might have to buy the book, or at least seek it through inter-library loan. http://www.minrec.org/libdetail.asp?id=1374 Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg, VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:30 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem I've found the following quote about the origin of the name, chabazite, on several websites including mindat. Only problem is I can't find the poem. I was curious to learn what the other 19 stones were, but can't find with or without Orpheus. Since Orpheus is part of Greek mythology, it's not like looking for a genuine poet. Anybody have any ideas? From Gk. chabazios, tune or melody, one of twenty stones named in the poem Peri lithos, which extolled the virtues of minerals. The poem is ascribed to Orpheus. Aloha, Kitty -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Ted at crystalgems.com Wed May 21 06:04:05 2008 From: Ted at crystalgems.com (Ted Kowalski) Date: Wed May 21 06:07:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <003b01c8bb43$25f70dd0$0300a8c0@LaptopLand1> Kitty: On searching for Orpheus and his poems I found many attributions, but no prose. Interesting since Orpheus is Greek mythology I wouldn't expect much in the way of actual recorded poetry; instead perhaps fragments and verses that fit into a particular story. Some info, possibly of interest. http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/omw/omw34.htm http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/books/review/28PAGLIA.html Ted Kowalski Fredericksburg VA USA -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Kitty & Bill Heacox Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:30 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem I've found the following quote about the origin of the name, chabazite, on several websites including mindat. Only problem is I can't find the poem. I was curious to learn what the other 19 stones were, but can't find with or without Orpheus. Since Orpheus is part of Greek mythology, it's not like looking for a genuine poet. Anybody have any ideas? From Gk. chabazios, tune or melody, one of twenty stones named in the poem Peri lithos, which extolled the virtues of minerals. The poem is ascribed to Orpheus. Aloha, Kitty -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From JWachsmuth at gmx.de Wed May 21 08:45:04 2008 From: JWachsmuth at gmx.de (Juergen Wachsmuth) Date: Wed May 21 08:42:51 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> Message-ID: <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> Hello, this is an interesting story. I do not think Mindat has all the facts here. The greek word is chalazios (= hail), in the poem Lithika it is used as chalazie. But in the 18th century there was a wrong reading of the word, chabazios, and therefore Bosc d`Antic 1780 (or 1792) created the name chabazie. Later it was changed to Chabasie (Hauy 1801), Chabasit and chabazite. In 1871 a new edition of Lithika, a greek poem written in the 4th century A.D., by Tyrwhitt corrected the error. Nevertheless the b in the mineral chabazite stayed. Please let us know if you find out more. Regards, J?rgen Ulm - Germany Kitty & Bill Heacox schrieb: > I've found the following quote about the origin of the name, chabazite, > on several websites including mindat. Only problem is I can't find the > poem. I was curious to learn what the other 19 stones were, but can't > find with or without Orpheus. Since Orpheus is part of > Greek mythology, it's not like looking for a genuine poet. Anybody have > any ideas? > > From Gk. chabazios, tune or melody, one of twenty stones named in the > poem Peri lithos, which extolled the virtues of minerals. The poem is > ascribed to Orpheus. > > Aloha, Kitty > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Wed May 21 08:54:11 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed May 21 08:54:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> Message-ID: <8CA89720AD00C5B-E84-B9E@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Interesting! (about the name and its misspelling) And while I'm at it, I'll add the answer to my little joke, which was, > But as a slight take-off on this, I can share my favorite silly mineral? > riddle with you & the List (have I done this before?). Here's the > question:? >? > What can a dead dog, not do?? >? > (it has to do with minerals)? >? > (answer next time!)? (it sounds like Julie got my little joke)... and for those of you who didn't think about it and want to take your own guess for the answer before you look at it, I'll paste in the answer way down at the bottom of all the?repeated material in this reply email. cheers, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Wachsmuth To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 9:45 am Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem Hello, his is an interesting story. I do not think Mindat has all the facts here. he greek word is chalazios (= hail), in the poem Lithika it is used as halazie. But in the 18th century there was a wrong reading of the word, habazios, and therefore Bosc d`Antic 1780 (or 1792) created the name habazie. Later it was changed to Chabasie (Hauy 1801), Chabasit and habazite. n 1871 a new edition of Lithika, a greek poem written in the 4th century .D., by Tyrwhitt corrected the error. Nevertheless the b in the mineral habazite stayed. Please let us know if you find out more. Regards, ?rgen lm - Germany Kitty & Bill Heacox schrieb: > I've found the following quote about the origin of the name, chabazite, on several websites including mindat. Only problem is I can't find the poem. I was curious to learn what the other 19 stones were, but can't find with or without Orpheus. Since Orpheus is part of Greek mythology, it's not like looking for a genuine poet. Anybody have any ideas? From Gk. chabazios, tune or melody, one of twenty stones named in the poem Peri lithos, which extolled the virtues of minerals. The poem is ascribed to Orpheus. Aloha, Kitty -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Pete's answer.... stilbite ! --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From lpai at hotmail.com Wed May 21 10:33:20 2008 From: lpai at hotmail.com (Lyle Pai) Date: Wed May 21 10:32:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wulfenite from China References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net><4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> <8CA89720AD00C5B-E84-B9E@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dear List, I was reading an article from the 2007 Mineralogical Record about 'Red Wulfenite' from XinJiang Uygur Autonomous Region in north-western China by Wendell Wilson and Marcus Origlieri. Apparently some high quality wulfenite came out of this region in 2006 that is comparable to wulfenite found in Arizona and Mexico. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how wulfenite is mined? Is it found deep underground or relatively near the surface? What would a wulfenite mine look like? The authors of the article had not visited the mine in the Kuruktag Mountains but gave approximate locations. I am looking at some satellite photos of the approximate area and found some open pits where there's been some obvious digging going on and was wondering whether they could be related. Alternatively, if anyone is interested in looking at the satellite photos and helping me identify what they are digging, that would be interesting too... Please contact me privately and I'll be glad to send you the satellite photos. Thanks in advance, Lyle From therockhunter at hotmail.com Wed May 21 15:48:47 2008 From: therockhunter at hotmail.com (B & B) Date: Wed May 21 15:48:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Message-ID: Hello Can any body help me I am looking for information on a club in Florida. I have a friend that goes and she would like to join one in the area that she will be in for the winter. She is in Pinellas Park, Florida. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty _________________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From cscrystals2 at verizon.net Wed May 21 16:01:06 2008 From: cscrystals2 at verizon.net (Carolyn & Steve Weinberger) Date: Wed May 21 15:57:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <752D4A49-6457-4F7D-AEA4-0200A50B22ED@verizon.net> Have your friend go to the Southeast Federation website . They have a listing of clubs in the Florida area and I believe there is one in Pinellas Park. Carolyn Weinberger AFMS Editor On May 21, 2008, at 6:48 PM, B & B wrote: > Hello > Can any body help me I am looking for information on a club in > Florida. I have a friend that goes and she would like to join one > in the area that she will be in for the winter. She is in Pinellas > Park, Florida. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in > advance Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From codeburner at gmail.com Wed May 21 15:58:25 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed May 21 15:58:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rocks are not to be found in Florida, except varieties of limestone. There is a lapidary club in Gainesville but that is too far from St Pete. BK On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM, B & B wrote: > Hello > Can any body help me I am looking for information on a club in Florida. I > have a friend that goes and she would like to join one in the area that she > will be in for the winter. She is in Pinellas Park, Florida. Any information > would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & > Betty > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From codeburner at gmail.com Wed May 21 16:00:20 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed May 21 16:00:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: <752D4A49-6457-4F7D-AEA4-0200A50B22ED@verizon.net> References: <752D4A49-6457-4F7D-AEA4-0200A50B22ED@verizon.net> Message-ID: Darn who would have thunk there were that many...LOL. BK On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Carolyn & Steve Weinberger < cscrystals2@verizon.net> wrote: > Have your friend go to the Southeast Federation website < > www.amfed.org/sfms>. They have a listing of clubs in the Florida area and > I believe there is one in Pinellas Park. > > Carolyn Weinberger > AFMS Editor > > > > On May 21, 2008, at 6:48 PM, B & B wrote: > > Hello >> Can any body help me I am looking for information on a club in Florida. I >> have a friend that goes and she would like to join one in the area that she >> will be in for the winter. She is in Pinellas Park, Florida. Any information >> would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & >> Betty >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed May 21 16:17:42 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed May 21 16:17:54 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: References: <752D4A49-6457-4F7D-AEA4-0200A50B22ED@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4834AD96.8010904@verizon.net> J Bryan Kramer wrote: > Darn who would have thunk there were that many...LOL. Indeed, there may not be a lot of rocks, but there are always COLLECTORS and CLUBS! Mineral collecting is always what we make of it... I love taking the students to the basalt quarry, where they stand confused for a while, occasionally banging on a boulder with an Estwing hammer, whereupon the hammer usually bounces back. As soon as I crack open the first pocket with calcite, aragonite, siderite, or "opal pearls," though, they spring into action with renewed interest. I would imagine there is a lot more in Florida than most people expect. Don From ajs at frii.com Wed May 21 18:09:50 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Wed May 21 18:22:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: <4834AD96.8010904@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20080522010950.A35A81CC42@io.frii.com> > I would imagine there is a lot more in Florida than most people > expect. Yup. Mostly limestone, but agates near Tampa, lots of fossil (phosphate) bone, some quartz/calcite shell geodes in various spots (such as years ago in a construction area in North Miami Beach). You can web search to learn more. Plus, shell and coral collecting is always fun too. If interested in a trip report from 2000, when I did some collecting: http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2000.0829_FloridaCollecting.htm And in 2006, Tampa Bay agate: http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2006.1202-09_TampaBayAgate.htm Cheers, Alan Silverstein From codeburner at gmail.com Wed May 21 18:42:08 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed May 21 18:42:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: <20080522010950.A35A81CC42@io.frii.com> References: <4834AD96.8010904@verizon.net> <20080522010950.A35A81CC42@io.frii.com> Message-ID: There are actually some interesting materials near here but just not in interesting form. There are Zirconium mines an hour or so from here, but they are mining Zirconium compounds in sand. The phosphate mines have uranium compounds but again in not very interesting or accessible form. So 99% of what we have is calcium carbonate or phosphate. Or whatever else you could expect to find on the bottom of an Eocene or Miocene shallow sea. BK On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Alan Silverstein wrote: > > I would imagine there is a lot more in Florida than most people > > expect. > > Yup. Mostly limestone, but agates near Tampa, lots of fossil > (phosphate) bone, some quartz/calcite shell geodes in various spots > (such as years ago in a construction area in North Miami Beach). You > can web search to learn more. Plus, shell and coral collecting is > always fun too. > > If interested in a trip report from 2000, when I did some collecting: > > http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2000.0829_FloridaCollecting.htm > > And in 2006, Tampa Bay agate: > > http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2006.1202-09_TampaBayAgate.htm > > Cheers, > Alan Silverstein > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jabac at hal-pc.org Wed May 21 20:25:17 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Wed May 21 20:25:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> Message-ID: <4834E79D.8000003@hal-pc.org> Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: > Hello, > this is an interesting story. I do not think Mindat has all the facts here. > The greek word is chalazios (= hail), in the poem Lithika it is used as > chalazie. But in the 18th century there was a wrong reading of the word, > chabazios, and therefore Bosc d`Antic 1780 (or 1792) created the name > chabazie. Later it was changed to Chabasie (Hauy 1801), Chabasit and > chabazite. > In 1871 a new edition of Lithika, a greek poem written in the 4th century > A.D., by Tyrwhitt corrected the error. Nevertheless the b in the mineral > chabazite stayed. > > Please let us know if you find out more. > > Regards, > J?rgen > Ulm - Germany > >From what I have found: The "Tyrwhitt" mentioned above was probably Thomas Tyrwhitt, an English scholar who in 1781 published the "Orphic" hymns from the Argonautica which included "De Lapidus". (He is known primarily as the one who re-introduced Chaucer to the world). The Argonautica is the epic poem about the voyage of Jason and the Argonauts, attributed to Apollonius Rhodius, one of the directors of the Hellenistic library in Alexandria ca. 4th century B.C.E. Orpheus was supposed to have been one of the Argonauts and used his powers to get the crew through some dangers. The "hymns" included one on stones. Some scholars attribute a "lithika" which may be the original source to Posidippus, also from the Hellenistic culture and about the same age as Apollonius. The papyri have been translated and the "lithika" can be read at zeus.chs.org/chs/lithika_-_en. Hope this is of some use. john From jabac at hal-pc.org Wed May 21 20:58:36 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Wed May 21 21:00:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <4834E79D.8000003@hal-pc.org> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> <4834E79D.8000003@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <4834EF6C.2000203@hal-pc.org> jbacko wrote: > Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: >> Hello, >> this is an interesting story. I do not think Mindat has all the facts >> here. >> The greek word is chalazios (= hail), in the poem Lithika it is used as >> chalazie. But in the 18th century there was a wrong reading of the word, >> chabazios, and therefore Bosc d`Antic 1780 (or 1792) created the name >> chabazie. Later it was changed to Chabasie (Hauy 1801), Chabasit and >> chabazite. >> In 1871 a new edition of Lithika, a greek poem written in the 4th >> century >> A.D., by Tyrwhitt corrected the error. Nevertheless the b in the >> mineral >> chabazite stayed. >> >> Please let us know if you find out more. >> >> Regards, >> J?rgen >> Ulm - Germany >> > >From what I have found: > > The "Tyrwhitt" mentioned above was probably Thomas Tyrwhitt, an > English scholar who in 1781 published the "Orphic" hymns from the > Argonautica which included "De Lapidus". (He is known primarily as the > one who re-introduced Chaucer to the world). > > The Argonautica is the epic poem about the voyage of Jason and the > Argonauts, attributed to Apollonius Rhodius, one of the directors of > the Hellenistic library in Alexandria ca. 4th century B.C.E. Orpheus > was supposed to have been one of the Argonauts and used his powers to > get the crew through some dangers. The "hymns" included one on stones. > > Some scholars attribute a "lithika" which may be the original source > to Posidippus, also from the Hellenistic culture and about the same > age as Apollonius. > > > The papyri have been translated and the "lithika" can be read at > zeus.chs.org/chs/lithika_-_en. > > > Hope this is of some use. > > > john > On looking further at some old library cards and book sellers' catalogues, I am convinced that the Orphic hymns from the Argonautica are the probable source of the poem. Well...maybe. Correction: The "de lapidus" above should be "de lapidibus" which in greek is "peri lithon" and in English "on stones". there have been numerous publications of the works including a modern translation of the Argonautica available online. I don't believe that the de lapidibus has been translated into English; it is available (as a rare book, I'm sure) in latin and greek hardcopy. there may be a German translation, though it is unlikely as the German commentaries on the works are by classical scholars, who can read latin and greek anyway. john From jpjunk at mc.net Wed May 21 22:43:34 2008 From: jpjunk at mc.net (John Junkroski) Date: Wed May 21 22:46:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <4834EF6C.2000203@hal-pc.org> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> <4834E79D.8000003@hal-pc.org> <4834EF6C.2000203@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <761E44FF-B8A2-4704-BAF3-66EC900EC83D@mc.net> I can't get into the "zeus.chs.org..." link. Can you help? Thanks, John On May 21, 2008Wednesday, at 10:58 PM, jbacko wrote: > jbacko wrote: >> Juergen Wachsmuth wrote: >>> Hello, >>> this is an interesting story. I do not think Mindat has all the >>> facts here. >>> The greek word is chalazios (= hail), in the poem Lithika it is >>> used as >>> chalazie. But in the 18th century there was a wrong reading of >>> the word, >>> chabazios, and therefore Bosc d`Antic 1780 (or 1792) created the >>> name >>> chabazie. Later it was changed to Chabasie (Hauy 1801), Chabasit and >>> chabazite. >>> In 1871 a new edition of Lithika, a greek poem written in the 4th >>> century >>> A.D., by Tyrwhitt corrected the error. Nevertheless the b in the >>> mineral >>> chabazite stayed. >>> >>> Please let us know if you find out more. >>> >>> Regards, >>> J?rgen >>> Ulm - Germany >>> >> >From what I have found: >> >> The "Tyrwhitt" mentioned above was probably Thomas Tyrwhitt, an >> English scholar who in 1781 published the "Orphic" hymns from the >> Argonautica which included "De Lapidus". (He is known primarily as >> the one who re-introduced Chaucer to the world). >> >> The Argonautica is the epic poem about the voyage of Jason and the >> Argonauts, attributed to Apollonius Rhodius, one of the directors >> of the Hellenistic library in Alexandria ca. 4th century B.C.E. >> Orpheus was supposed to have been one of the Argonauts and used >> his powers to get the crew through some dangers. The "hymns" >> included one on stones. >> >> Some scholars attribute a "lithika" which may be the original >> source to Posidippus, also from the Hellenistic culture and about >> the same age as Apollonius. >> >> >> The papyri have been translated and the "lithika" can be read at >> zeus.chs.org/chs/lithika_-_en. >> >> >> Hope this is of some use. >> >> >> john >> > On looking further at some old library cards and book sellers' > catalogues, I am convinced that the Orphic hymns from the > Argonautica are the probable source of the poem. > > Well...maybe. > > Correction: The "de lapidus" above should be "de lapidibus" which > in greek is "peri lithon" and in English "on stones". there have > been numerous publications of the works including a modern > translation of the Argonautica available online. I don't believe > that the de lapidibus has been translated into English; it is > available (as a rare book, I'm sure) in latin and greek hardcopy. > there may be a German translation, though it is unlikely as the > German commentaries on the works are by classical scholars, who can > read latin and greek anyway. > > > john > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > From kcbaran at arczip.com Wed May 21 23:16:46 2008 From: kcbaran at arczip.com (Charles Baran) Date: Wed May 21 23:19:27 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garnet Hill, Nevada Message-ID: <48350FCE.6030807@arczip.com> Friends: Kathy and I are going to take a driving trip from Washington State to Nevada in July and plan on stopping at Garnet Hill . We have never been there. My question is: Is it worth the trip? Are nice, gemmy garnets available? What size? What type of tools should we take? What should we look for? I thank you all very much. Chuck Baran From jabac at hal-pc.org Thu May 22 00:44:31 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Thu May 22 00:45:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Chabazite poem In-Reply-To: <761E44FF-B8A2-4704-BAF3-66EC900EC83D@mc.net> References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net> <4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de> <4834E79D.8000003@hal-pc.org> <4834EF6C.2000203@hal-pc.org> <761E44FF-B8A2-4704-BAF3-66EC900EC83D@mc.net> Message-ID: <4835245F.60204@hal-pc.org> John Junkroski wrote: > I can't get into the "zeus.chs.org..." link. > > Can you help? > Thanks, > John Oops! Try "zeus.chsdc.org/chs/lithika_-_en" This is the translation of the papyri fragments attributed to Posidippus. It is not that of the Orphic hymns. But it may be one of the original sources. john From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Thu May 22 08:27:04 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Thu May 22 08:29:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club References: <4834AD96.8010904@verizon.net><20080522010950.A35A81CC42@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <001301c8bc20$4a80f5c0$0200000a@LarryRush> In the early 1980's, there were some nice examples of Vivianite found in an area called the Clear Springs Mine, near Bartow, Florida. These were small, Thumbnails and Miniatures, but the crystals, in a matrix of Limonite, were well formed, terminated, and gemmy. I don't believe that there were more discovered there after that time, but they also have been found in Plant City, Florida. Vivianite is often found associated with bones and shells, and iron-rich clays and sediments, so chances are that there is more, somewhere in the phosphate pits in Florida. Larry Rush ========================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Club > There are actually some interesting materials near here but just not in > interesting form. There are Zirconium mines an hour or so from here, but > they are mining Zirconium compounds in sand. The phosphate mines have > uranium compounds but again in not very interesting or accessible form. > > So 99% of what we have is calcium carbonate or phosphate. Or whatever else > you could expect to find on the bottom of an Eocene or Miocene shallow > sea. > > BK > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Alan Silverstein wrote: > >> > I would imagine there is a lot more in Florida than most people >> > expect. >> >> Yup. Mostly limestone, but agates near Tampa, lots of fossil >> (phosphate) bone, some quartz/calcite shell geodes in various spots >> (such as years ago in a construction area in North Miami Beach). You >> can web search to learn more. Plus, shell and coral collecting is >> always fun too. >> >> If interested in a trip report from 2000, when I did some collecting: >> >> http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2000.0829_FloridaCollecting.htm >> >> And in 2006, Tampa Bay agate: >> >> http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2006.1202-09_TampaBayAgate.htm >> >> Cheers, >> Alan Silverstein >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu May 22 11:24:32 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu May 22 11:24:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003001c8bc39$15134000$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Ruck's pit yields fabulous Devonian clams with perfect calcite crystals that fluoresce superbly. Agreed, a clam's not a rock ;-))) Sham Rock & Shell Pit (Ruck's Pit), Okeechobee County, Florida (Mercenria Permagna (Pliocene-Pleistocene)) Oh well, mind the alligators! Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens J Bryan Kramer > Verzonden: woensdag 21 mei 2008 23:58 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Club > > Rocks are not to be found in Florida, except varieties of > limestone. There is a lapidary club in Gainesville but that > is too far from St Pete. > > BK > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:48 PM, B & B > wrote: > > > Hello > > Can any body help me I am looking for information on a club in > > Florida. I have a friend that goes and she would like to > join one in > > the area that she will be in for the winter. She is in > Pinellas Park, > > Florida. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in > advance Black > > Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html > > --- > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an > illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From folmstead at rcn.com Thu May 22 12:59:53 2008 From: folmstead at rcn.com (Frederick Olmstead) Date: Thu May 22 13:00:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4835D0B9.8010100@rcn.com> www.amfed.org/ www.amfed.org/efmls will have clubs!!!!! GeorgiaO __..--..__..--.._- B & B wrote: >Hello >Can any body help me I am looking for information on a club in Florida. I have a friend that goes and she would like to join one in the area that she will be in for the winter. She is in Pinellas Park, Florida. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html >--- > > From BNMJEFF at aol.com Thu May 22 14:53:15 2008 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Thu May 22 14:53:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Message-ID: Ruck's Pit can be great or very poor. It depends on when he has last brought a load up from the pit. You do not get to go into the pit, but he brings front end loader buckets full up and lets people go through the piles... Jeff Ursillo, President Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches, Inc. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Thu May 22 19:38:55 2008 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Thu May 22 19:38:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Hiller, Jr ? Message-ID: I recently purchased a couple of 1970s era collecting guidebooks written by John Hiller, Jr. at the New England Micromounters "reunion" meeting. One is entitled "Connecticut Mines and Minerals" and the other is "Massachusetts Mines and Minerals". I have done some web-searching in an effort to locate him to ask permission to scan portions of these documents for the Boston Mineral Club website but have not yet turned up any promising leads. The CT booklet was reviewed in Min Record, Vol. 2 #3 (its selling price was $3.00) and he apparently operated a rockshop (Hiller's Crystal Shop) and in the 1970s lived in both Stratford, CT and Shelton, CT. I also have found references to some other 1970s era publications by him but nothing that would give me a lead. If anyone on the list has any direct knowledge of Mr. Hiller and how I might contact him please send me an email. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri May 23 06:02:26 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri May 23 06:02:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Hiller, Jr ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <900654.77813.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have you tried contacting the publisher? They might even hold the copyright. Jim Daly Nathan Martin wrote: I recently purchased a couple of 1970s era collecting guidebooks written by John Hiller, Jr. at the New England Micromounters "reunion" meeting. One is entitled "Connecticut Mines and Minerals" and the other is "Massachusetts Mines and Minerals". I have done some web-searching in an effort to locate him to ask permission to scan portions of these documents for the Boston Mineral Club website but have not yet turned up any promising leads. The CT booklet was reviewed in Min Record, Vol. 2 #3 (its selling price was $3.00) and he apparently operated a rockshop (Hiller's Crystal Shop) and in the 1970s lived in both Stratford, CT and Shelton, CT. I also have found references to some other 1970s era publications by him but nothing that would give me a lead. If anyone on the list has any direct knowledge of Mr. Hiller and how I might contact him please send me an email. best regards, Nate Martin Lexington, MA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sauktown1 at yahoo.com Fri May 23 06:09:01 2008 From: sauktown1 at yahoo.com (Jim Daly) Date: Fri May 23 06:09:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club In-Reply-To: <001301c8bc20$4a80f5c0$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <140789.35885.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The vivianite (and other phosphates) came from the lowest point in the Clear Springs Mine. The mine is now gone. It was closed about 10 years ago, and the site has been completely reclaimed. I visited it when the reclamation was just starting, and found nothing. Jim Daly Lawrence Rush wrote: In the early 1980's, there were some nice examples of Vivianite found in an area called the Clear Springs Mine, near Bartow, Florida. These were small, Thumbnails and Miniatures, but the crystals, in a matrix of Limonite, were well formed, terminated, and gemmy. I don't believe that there were more discovered there after that time, but they also have been found in Plant City, Florida. Vivianite is often found associated with bones and shells, and iron-rich clays and sediments, so chances are that there is more, somewhere in the phosphate pits in Florida. Larry Rush ========================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Bryan Kramer" To: ; "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Club > There are actually some interesting materials near here but just not in > interesting form. There are Zirconium mines an hour or so from here, but > they are mining Zirconium compounds in sand. The phosphate mines have > uranium compounds but again in not very interesting or accessible form. > > So 99% of what we have is calcium carbonate or phosphate. Or whatever else > you could expect to find on the bottom of an Eocene or Miocene shallow > sea. > > BK > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Alan Silverstein wrote: > >> > I would imagine there is a lot more in Florida than most people >> > expect. >> >> Yup. Mostly limestone, but agates near Tampa, lots of fossil >> (phosphate) bone, some quartz/calcite shell geodes in various spots >> (such as years ago in a construction area in North Miami Beach). You >> can web search to learn more. Plus, shell and coral collecting is >> always fun too. >> >> If interested in a trip report from 2000, when I did some collecting: >> >> http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2000.0829_FloridaCollecting.htm >> >> And in 2006, Tampa Bay agate: >> >> http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2006.1202-09_TampaBayAgate.htm >> >> Cheers, >> Alan Silverstein >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of > reality with which we create our own private world." > Arnold Newman > > > J Bryan Kramer > North Florida, USA > photos at: > http://pbase.com/photoburner > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknate at gmail.com Fri May 23 06:25:06 2008 From: rocknate at gmail.com (Nathan Martin) Date: Fri May 23 06:25:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] John Hiller, Jr ? In-Reply-To: <900654.77813.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <900654.77813.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for the suggestion but It turns out that both booklets were self-published by Mr. Hiller. They were nicely done in a half page format (5.5" x 8.5") with a plastic GBC binder that allows all pages to be opened flat and clear plastic sheets to protect the front and back covers. Just the right size to carry into the field. The content is incomplete (i.e.: no comprehensive mineral lists) but I am always fascinated to learn about the localities that I missed when I mis-spent my youth getting an education, raising a family and working way too hard at my job instead of doing field collecting. best regards, Nate Martin On 5/23/08, Jim Daly wrote: > > Have you tried contacting the publisher? They might even hold the > copyright. > Jim Daly > > Nathan Martin wrote: > I recently purchased a couple of 1970s era collecting guidebooks written by > John Hiller, Jr. at the New England Micromounters "reunion" meeting. One is > entitled "Connecticut Mines and Minerals" and the other is "Massachusetts > Mines and Minerals". I have done some web-searching in an effort to locate > him to ask permission to scan portions of these documents for the Boston > Mineral Club website but have not yet turned up any promising leads. The CT > booklet was reviewed in Min Record, Vol. 2 #3 (its selling price was $3.00) > and he apparently operated a rockshop (Hiller's Crystal Shop) and in the > 1970s lived in both Stratford, CT and Shelton, CT. I also have found > references to some other 1970s era publications by him but nothing that > would give me a lead. > > If anyone on the list has any direct knowledge of Mr. Hiller and how I > might > contact him please send me an email. > > best regards, > Nate Martin > Lexington, MA > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Fri May 23 11:08:56 2008 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Fri May 23 11:03:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question Message-ID: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> To the List: Knowing this list has an answer to almost everything related to Earth Science I am asking for some guidance. Our gem & mineral society has an annual show in Rhinebeck, New York at the Dutchess County Fairgrounds. For years we have had an October date. The Fairgrounds has changed our date to September. We have lost some of our dealers due to that conflict. As show chairman I am trying to maintain a balance of mineral, fossil, bead and jewelry dealers. We have excellent mineral and jewelry dealers, but at the moment I have five openings I wish to fill with top notch dealers of different aspects of jewelry, lapidary rough, and possibly lapidary equipment. We would consider other aspects, ie meteorites, stone sculpture. Our show is of average size, approx. 30 dealers. We share the Fairgrounds with two other venues, both have national scheduled shows . Last year's Fairgrounds attendance was 15,000. So please, if you are a show chairman or know of dealers who might fit this description, please e-mail me off list. Carolyn Reynard, Show Chair. Mid-Hudson Valley Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. Poughkeepsie, NY 845-471-1224 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri May 23 12:15:54 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri May 23 12:18:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <000801c8bd09$6c79dc20$0200000a@LarryRush> Vote For your Choice The 2008 presidential elections are coming soon, and we, as mineral collectors, have to make the best choice for the future of mineral collecting. I have interviewed the major candidates, journalists, and authorities to see who will best represent us for the next four years. It's up to you! VOTE...... Question: How can we open up new collecting opportunities for mineral collectors? Barack Obama: We must get new opportunities for collectors because it is time for a CHANGE! The collectors want change! John Mc Cain: My friends, collectors need new opportunities because they recognize the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all of the collectors on the other side of the mine. Hillary Clinton: When I was the First Lady, I personally called for new sites to dig in. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure-right from day one-that every collector in this country gets the chance he/she deserves to find specimens. But then, this really isn't about me - and all collector delegate votes must count! Dr.Phil: The problem we have here is that collectors won't realize that they must first deal with the problem as it exists now before they go after the problem after the election. What we need to do is help them realize how stupid they are acting by not taking on their CURRENT collecting problems before adding "NEW" problems. Oprah: Well, I understand the collector is having problems, which is why he wants those opportunities so badly. So instead of having the collector learn from his mistakes and find very few minerals, which is a part of life, I'm going to give these collectors quarries of their own, so that they can just drive in there and not live their lives like the rest of the world's collectors. George W. Bush: We don't really care why the collectors don't have any places to dig. We just want to know if the collector is on OUR side of the mine or not. The collector is either against us or for us. There is no middle ground in our mines! Colin Powell: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the collector entering the mine adit. Anderson Cooper - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a collector internet group, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to it or the Federation yet. John Kerry: Although I voted to let the collectors access to our mine, I am now against it! It was the wrong mine to enter, and I was misled about the collector's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it. Nancy Grace: That collector entered the quarry because he is guilty of trespassing! You can see it in his eyes and in the way he carries his tools! Pat Buchanan: Collectors only want to steal the jobs of decent, hard-working American miners! Martha Stewart: No one called me to warn me which way collectors are going. I had a standing order at the Tucson Show to sell my designer trade-marked minerals when the price dropped to a certain level. No dealer gave me any insider information! Dr.Seuss: Did the collector find the mine? Did he enter it and have a find? Yes, the collector entered the mine, but why he entered it is undefined. Ernest Hemingway: Collectors must dig, to die in the rain. Jerry Falwell: Collectors are gay! Can't you people see the plain truth? That's why they call it a mineral "club". Yes, my friends, mineral people are gay. And if you dig specimens, you will become gay, too. I say we boycott all collectors until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white-washes with seemingly harmless phrases like "world class specimens". That collector should not be digging in road cuts! It's as plain and simple as that! Grandpa: In my day we didn't ask why collectors dug in prospect pits. Somebody told us the minerals were there and that was good enough. Barbara Walters: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the collector tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how he experienced a serious case of mineral envy, and went on to accomplish his life long dream of finding Wulfenite. Aristotle: It is the nature of mineral collectors to dig in dirty, filthy pits of clay. John Lennon: Imagine all the collectors in the world swinging picks together, in peace. Bill Gates: I have just released EMinerals 2008, which will not only find minerals, but will clean them, label them, and put them for sale on E-Bay. Internet Explorer is an integral part of EMinerals. This new platform is much more stable and will never cra... >:**"/DD (Reboot!) Albert Einstein: Did the collector enter the pit, or did the pit move beneath the collector? Rev. Al Sharpton, edited by the Rev. Jesse Jackson: Why are all the collectors white? We need some black diggers in our clubs! Rev. Jeremiah Wright: G**D** all them white collectors, and G**D** America, too! Louis Farrakhan: ..and after we overthrow all thems white diggers, the big black mother ship will come from outer space and take us all to the new black mineral world. No white minerals allowed! Bill Clinton: (the first black mineral president): I did not do XRay diffractions with "that" female collector. What is your definition of "collector", anyway? Al Gore: I invented mineral collecting! And the crystal came before the internet, which I also invented, along with global warming and climate change, which is why the collector is escaping underground to the other mine, by the way. Read my new book, "An Inconvenient Field Trip; The Crisis of Mineral Collecting". Osama Bin Laden: We will rise up and expel the infidel mineral collectors from the collecting lands of our fathers, and we will keep their female collectors as "trophies" in our cabinets! Dick Cheney: Where's my gun? There's another terrorist mineral collector in my field! (This material is copywritten. Please get permission from the author before re-printing. Larry Rush; larryrush@att.net) From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri May 23 12:58:04 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri May 23 13:00:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> Message-ID: <001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> Carolyn: Just my bias, but I think that one of the problems with club shows is that there are too many lapidary, jewelry and "healer" type of dealers. To my admittedly biased mind, there should not be any of those at a "mineral" show. Why not fill up your spaces with legitimate mineral dealers, and help keep the hobby honest. I know there is a demand for the other things, but should we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the expense of not bringing more minerals to the public, which are infinitely more beautiful than anything cut or polished? Just my .$02 Best wishes.......Larry Rush ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Reynard" To: "Rockhounds" Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Question To the List: Knowing this list has an answer to almost everything related to Earth Science I am asking for some guidance. Our gem & mineral society has an annual show in Rhinebeck, New York at the Dutchess County Fairgrounds. For years we have had an October date. The Fairgrounds has changed our date to September. We have lost some of our dealers due to that conflict. As show chairman I am trying to maintain a balance of mineral, fossil, bead and jewelry dealers. We have excellent mineral and jewelry dealers, but at the moment I have five openings I wish to fill with top notch dealers of different aspects of jewelry, lapidary rough, and possibly lapidary equipment. We would consider other aspects, ie meteorites, stone sculpture. Our show is of average size, approx. 30 dealers. We share the Fairgrounds with two other venues, both have national scheduled shows . Last year's Fairgrounds attendance was 15,000. So please, if you are a show chairman or know of dealers who might fit this description, please e-mail me off list. Carolyn Reynard, Show Chair. Mid-Hudson Valley Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. Poughkeepsie, NY 845-471-1224 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From pmodreski at aol.com Fri May 23 13:12:26 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Fri May 23 13:12:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE In-Reply-To: <000801c8bd09$6c79dc20$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> <000801c8bd09$6c79dc20$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <8CA8B2873643424-580-1A50@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Very good, Larry, well balanced, you tried not to offend anyone to the exclusion of others.? But you left out Ron Paul, surely you can come up with a good line to attribute to him! Pete -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Rush To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 1:15 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE Vote For your Choice? ? ? The 2008 presidential elections are coming soon, and we, as mineral collectors, have to make the best choice for the future of mineral collecting. I have interviewed the major candidates, journalists, and authorities to see who will best represent us for the next four years. It's up to you! VOTE......? ? ? Question: How can we open up new collecting opportunities for mineral collectors?? ? ? ? Barack Obama: We must get new opportunities for collectors because it is time for a CHANGE! The collectors want change!? ? ? John Mc Cain: My friends, collectors need new opportunities because they recognize the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all of the collectors on the other side of the mine.? ? ? Hillary Clinton: When I was the First Lady, I personally called for new sites to dig in. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure-right from day one-that every collector in this country gets the chance he/she deserves to find specimens. But then, this really isn't about me - and all collector delegate votes must count!? ? ? Dr.Phil: The problem we have here is that collectors won't realize that they must first deal with the problem as it exists now before they go after the problem after the election. What we need to do is help them realize how stupid they are acting by not taking on their CURRENT collecting problems before adding "NEW" problems.? ? ? Oprah: Well, I understand the collector is having problems, which is why he wants those opportunities so badly. So instead of having the collector learn from his mistakes and find very few minerals, which is a part of life, I'm going to give these collectors quarries of their own, so that they can just drive in there and not live their lives like the rest of the world's collectors.? ? ? George W. Bush: We don't really care why the collectors don't have any places to dig. We just want to know if the collector is on OUR side of the mine or not. The collector is either against us or for us. There is no middle ground in our mines!? ? ? Colin Powell: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the collector entering the mine adit.? ? ? Anderson Cooper - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a collector internet group, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to it or the Federation yet.? ? ? John Kerry: Although I voted to let the collectors access to our mine, I am now against it! It was the wrong mine to enter, and I was misled about the collector's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.? ? ? Nancy Grace: That collector entered the quarry because he is guilty of trespassing! You can see it in his eyes and in the way he carries his tools!? ? ? Pat Buchanan: Collectors only want to steal the jobs of decent, hard-working American miners!? ? ? Martha Stewart: No one called me to warn me which way collectors are going. I had a standing order at the Tucson Show to sell my designer trade-marked minerals when the price dropped to a certain level. No dealer gave me any insider information!? ? ? Dr.Seuss: Did the collector find the mine? Did he enter it and have a find?? ? Yes, the collector entered the mine, but why he entered it is undefined.? ? ? Ernest Hemingway: Collectors must dig, to die in the rain.? ? ? Jerry Falwell: Collectors are gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?? ? That's why they call it a mineral "club". Yes, my friends, mineral people are gay. And if you dig specimens, you will become gay, too. I say we boycott all collectors until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media white-washes with seemingly harmless phrases like "world class specimens". That collector should not be digging in road cuts! It's as plain and simple as that!? ? ? Grandpa: In my day we didn't ask why collectors dug in prospect pits. Somebody told us the minerals were there and that was good enough.? ? ? Barbara Walters: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the collector tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how he experienced a serious case of mineral envy, and went on to accomplish his life long dream of finding Wulfenite.? ? ? Aristotle: It is the nature of mineral collectors to dig in dirty, filthy pits of clay.? ? ? John Lennon: Imagine all the collectors in the world swinging picks together, in peace.? ? ? Bill Gates: I have just released EMinerals 2008, which will not only find minerals, but will clean them, label them, and put them for sale on E-Bay. Internet Explorer is an integral part of EMinerals. This new platform is much more stable and will never cra... >:**"/DD (Reboot!)? ? ? Albert Einstein: Did the collector enter the pit, or did the pit move beneath the collector?? ? ? Rev. Al Sharpton, edited by the Rev. Jesse Jackson: Why are all the collectors white? We need some black diggers in our clubs!? ? ? Rev. Jeremiah Wright: G**D** all them white collectors, and G**D** America, too!? ? ? Louis Farrakhan: ..and after we overthrow all thems white diggers, the big black mother ship will come from outer space and take us all to the new black mineral world. No white minerals allowed!? ? ? Bill Clinton: (the first black mineral president): I did not do XRay diffractions with "that" female collector. What is your definition of "collector", anyway?? ? ? Al Gore: I invented mineral collecting! And the crystal came before the internet, which I also invented, along with global warming and climate change, which is why the collector is escaping underground to the other mine, by the way. Read my new book, "An Inconvenient Field Trip; The Crisis of Mineral Collecting".? ? ? Osama Bin Laden: We will rise up and expel the infidel mineral collectors from the collecting lands of our fathers, and we will keep their female collectors as "trophies" in our cabinets!? ? ? Dick Cheney: Where's my gun? There's another terrorist mineral collector in my field!? ? ? (This material is copywritten. Please get permission from the author before re-printing. Larry Rush; larryrush@att.net)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- _______________________________________________? Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? Subscription Services:? http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From larryrush at worldnet.att.net Fri May 23 13:16:45 2008 From: larryrush at worldnet.att.net (Lawrence Rush) Date: Fri May 23 13:21:39 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash><000801c8bd09$6c79dc20$0200000a@LarryRush> <8CA8B2873643424-580-1A50@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601c8bd11$ec795f10$0200000a@LarryRush> And I really wanted to do Mike Huckaby, but I am SURE that I would offend somebody with him! (he even looks like an Arkansas mineral collector!) Oh, dear, now I've gone and offended those people anyway!! Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE > Very good, Larry, well balanced, you tried not to offend anyone to the > exclusion of others.? But you left out Ron Paul, surely you can come up > with a good line to attribute to him! > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Rush > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 1:15 pm > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE > > > Vote For your Choice? > ? > ? > The 2008 presidential elections are coming soon, and we, as mineral > collectors, have to make the best choice for the future of mineral > collecting. I have interviewed the major candidates, journalists, and > authorities to see who will best represent us for the next four years. > It's up to you! VOTE......? > ? > ? > Question: How can we open up new collecting opportunities for mineral > collectors?? > ? > ? > ? > Barack Obama: We must get new opportunities for collectors because it is > time for a CHANGE! The collectors want change!? > ? > ? > John Mc Cain: My friends, collectors need new opportunities because they > recognize the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all of the > collectors on the other side of the mine.? > ? > ? > Hillary Clinton: When I was the First Lady, I personally called for new > sites to dig in. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to > ensure-right from day one-that every collector in this country gets the > chance he/she deserves to find specimens. But then, this really isn't > about me - and all collector delegate votes must count!? > ? > ? > Dr.Phil: The problem we have here is that collectors won't realize that > they must first deal with the problem as it exists now before they go > after the problem after the election. What we need to do is help them > realize how stupid they are acting by not taking on their CURRENT > collecting problems before adding "NEW" problems.? > ? > ? > Oprah: Well, I understand the collector is having problems, which is why > he wants those opportunities so badly. So instead of having the collector > learn from his mistakes and find very few minerals, which is a part of > life, I'm going to give these collectors quarries of their own, so that > they can just drive in there and not live their lives like the rest of the > world's collectors.? > ? > ? > George W. Bush: We don't really care why the collectors don't have any > places to dig. We just want to know if the collector is on OUR side of the > mine or not. The collector is either against us or for us. There is no > middle ground in our mines!? > ? > ? > Colin Powell: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the > satellite image of the collector entering the mine adit.? > ? > ? > Anderson Cooper - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a collector > internet group, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to it or > the Federation yet.? > ? > ? > John Kerry: Although I voted to let the collectors access to our mine, I > am now against it! It was the wrong mine to enter, and I was misled about > the collector's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against > it.? > ? > ? > Nancy Grace: That collector entered the quarry because he is guilty of > trespassing! You can see it in his eyes and in the way he carries his > tools!? > ? > ? > Pat Buchanan: Collectors only want to steal the jobs of decent, > hard-working American miners!? > ? > ? > Martha Stewart: No one called me to warn me which way collectors are > going. I had a standing order at the Tucson Show to sell my designer > trade-marked minerals when the price dropped to a certain level. No dealer > gave me any insider information!? > ? > ? > Dr.Seuss: Did the collector find the mine? Did he enter it and have a > find?? > ? > Yes, the collector entered the mine, but why he entered it is undefined.? > ? > ? > Ernest Hemingway: Collectors must dig, to die in the rain.? > ? > ? > Jerry Falwell: Collectors are gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?? > ? > That's why they call it a mineral "club". Yes, my friends, mineral people > are gay. And if you dig specimens, you will become gay, too. I say we > boycott all collectors until we sort out this abomination that the liberal > media white-washes with seemingly harmless phrases like "world class > specimens". That collector should not be digging in road cuts! It's as > plain and simple as that!? > ? > ? > Grandpa: In my day we didn't ask why collectors dug in prospect pits. > Somebody told us the minerals were there and that was good enough.? > ? > ? > Barbara Walters: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be > listening to the collector tell, for the first time, the heart warming > story of how he experienced a serious case of mineral envy, and went on to > accomplish his life long dream of finding Wulfenite.? > ? > ? > Aristotle: It is the nature of mineral collectors to dig in dirty, filthy > pits of clay.? > ? > ? > John Lennon: Imagine all the collectors in the world swinging picks > together, in peace.? > ? > ? > Bill Gates: I have just released EMinerals 2008, which will not only find > minerals, but will clean them, label them, and put them for sale on E-Bay. > Internet Explorer is an integral part of EMinerals. This new platform is > much more stable and will never cra... >:**"/DD (Reboot!)? > ? > ? > Albert Einstein: Did the collector enter the pit, or did the pit move > beneath the collector?? > ? > ? > Rev. Al Sharpton, edited by the Rev. Jesse Jackson: Why are all the > collectors white? We need some black diggers in our clubs!? > ? > ? > Rev. Jeremiah Wright: G**D** all them white collectors, and G**D** > America, too!? > ? > ? > Louis Farrakhan: ..and after we overthrow all thems white diggers, the big > black mother ship will come from outer space and take us all to the new > black mineral world. No white minerals allowed!? > ? > ? > Bill Clinton: (the first black mineral president): I did not do XRay > diffractions with "that" female collector. What is your definition of > "collector", anyway?? > ? > ? > Al Gore: I invented mineral collecting! And the crystal came before the > internet, which I also invented, along with global warming and climate > change, which is why the collector is escaping underground to the other > mine, by the way. Read my new book, "An Inconvenient Field Trip; The > Crisis of Mineral Collecting".? > ? > ? > Osama Bin Laden: We will rise up and expel the infidel mineral collectors > from the collecting lands of our fathers, and we will keep their female > collectors as "trophies" in our cabinets!? > ? > ? > Dick Cheney: Where's my gun? There's another terrorist mineral collector > in my field!? > ? > ? > (This material is copywritten. Please get permission from the author > before re-printing. Larry Rush; larryrush@att.net)? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > -- _______________________________________________? > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? > Subscription Services:? > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Justin at the-vug.com Fri May 23 13:19:48 2008 From: Justin at the-vug.com (Justin@the-vug.com) Date: Fri May 23 15:48:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash><000801c8bd09$6c79dc20$0200000a@LarryRush> <8CA8B2873643424-580-1A50@mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <019601c8bd12$595fa300$6d01a8c0@windows2df367b> Ron Paul - "We need to get Back to the GOLD Standard! Oh, and bartering. Not just for rocks, but also food. And the colors, so many colors...ever really looked at your hand?" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE > Very good, Larry, well balanced, you tried not to offend anyone to the > exclusion of others.? But you left out Ron Paul, surely you can come up > with a good line to attribute to him! > > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Rush > To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors > > Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 1:15 pm > Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE > > > Vote For your Choice? > ? > ? > The 2008 presidential elections are coming soon, and we, as mineral > collectors, have to make the best choice for the future of mineral > collecting. I have interviewed the major candidates, journalists, and > authorities to see who will best represent us for the next four years. > It's up to you! VOTE......? > ? > ? > Question: How can we open up new collecting opportunities for mineral > collectors?? > ? > ? > ? > Barack Obama: We must get new opportunities for collectors because it is > time for a CHANGE! The collectors want change!? > ? > ? > John Mc Cain: My friends, collectors need new opportunities because they > recognize the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all of the > collectors on the other side of the mine.? > ? > ? > Hillary Clinton: When I was the First Lady, I personally called for new > sites to dig in. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to > ensure-right from day one-that every collector in this country gets the > chance he/she deserves to find specimens. But then, this really isn't > about me - and all collector delegate votes must count!? > ? > ? > Dr.Phil: The problem we have here is that collectors won't realize that > they must first deal with the problem as it exists now before they go > after the problem after the election. What we need to do is help them > realize how stupid they are acting by not taking on their CURRENT > collecting problems before adding "NEW" problems.? > ? > ? > Oprah: Well, I understand the collector is having problems, which is why > he wants those opportunities so badly. So instead of having the collector > learn from his mistakes and find very few minerals, which is a part of > life, I'm going to give these collectors quarries of their own, so that > they can just drive in there and not live their lives like the rest of the > world's collectors.? > ? > ? > George W. Bush: We don't really care why the collectors don't have any > places to dig. We just want to know if the collector is on OUR side of the > mine or not. The collector is either against us or for us. There is no > middle ground in our mines!? > ? > ? > Colin Powell: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the > satellite image of the collector entering the mine adit.? > ? > ? > Anderson Cooper - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a collector > internet group, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to it or > the Federation yet.? > ? > ? > John Kerry: Although I voted to let the collectors access to our mine, I > am now against it! It was the wrong mine to enter, and I was misled about > the collector's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against > it.? > ? > ? > Nancy Grace: That collector entered the quarry because he is guilty of > trespassing! You can see it in his eyes and in the way he carries his > tools!? > ? > ? > Pat Buchanan: Collectors only want to steal the jobs of decent, > hard-working American miners!? > ? > ? > Martha Stewart: No one called me to warn me which way collectors are > going. I had a standing order at the Tucson Show to sell my designer > trade-marked minerals when the price dropped to a certain level. No dealer > gave me any insider information!? > ? > ? > Dr.Seuss: Did the collector find the mine? Did he enter it and have a > find?? > ? > Yes, the collector entered the mine, but why he entered it is undefined.? > ? > ? > Ernest Hemingway: Collectors must dig, to die in the rain.? > ? > ? > Jerry Falwell: Collectors are gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?? > ? > That's why they call it a mineral "club". Yes, my friends, mineral people > are gay. And if you dig specimens, you will become gay, too. I say we > boycott all collectors until we sort out this abomination that the liberal > media white-washes with seemingly harmless phrases like "world class > specimens". That collector should not be digging in road cuts! It's as > plain and simple as that!? > ? > ? > Grandpa: In my day we didn't ask why collectors dug in prospect pits. > Somebody told us the minerals were there and that was good enough.? > ? > ? > Barbara Walters: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be > listening to the collector tell, for the first time, the heart warming > story of how he experienced a serious case of mineral envy, and went on to > accomplish his life long dream of finding Wulfenite.? > ? > ? > Aristotle: It is the nature of mineral collectors to dig in dirty, filthy > pits of clay.? > ? > ? > John Lennon: Imagine all the collectors in the world swinging picks > together, in peace.? > ? > ? > Bill Gates: I have just released EMinerals 2008, which will not only find > minerals, but will clean them, label them, and put them for sale on E-Bay. > Internet Explorer is an integral part of EMinerals. This new platform is > much more stable and will never cra... >:**"/DD (Reboot!)? > ? > ? > Albert Einstein: Did the collector enter the pit, or did the pit move > beneath the collector?? > ? > ? > Rev. Al Sharpton, edited by the Rev. Jesse Jackson: Why are all the > collectors white? We need some black diggers in our clubs!? > ? > ? > Rev. Jeremiah Wright: G**D** all them white collectors, and G**D** > America, too!? > ? > ? > Louis Farrakhan: ..and after we overthrow all thems white diggers, the big > black mother ship will come from outer space and take us all to the new > black mineral world. No white minerals allowed!? > ? > ? > Bill Clinton: (the first black mineral president): I did not do XRay > diffractions with "that" female collector. What is your definition of > "collector", anyway?? > ? > ? > Al Gore: I invented mineral collecting! And the crystal came before the > internet, which I also invented, along with global warming and climate > change, which is why the collector is escaping underground to the other > mine, by the way. Read my new book, "An Inconvenient Field Trip; The > Crisis of Mineral Collecting".? > ? > ? > Osama Bin Laden: We will rise up and expel the infidel mineral collectors > from the collecting lands of our fathers, and we will keep their female > collectors as "trophies" in our cabinets!? > ? > ? > Dick Cheney: Where's my gun? There's another terrorist mineral collector > in my field!? > ? > ? > (This material is copywritten. Please get permission from the author > before re-printing. Larry Rush; larryrush@att.net)? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > ? > -- _______________________________________________? > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List? > Subscription Services:? > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds? > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:? > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html? > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jabac at hal-pc.org Fri May 23 21:35:57 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Fri May 23 21:36:41 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question In-Reply-To: <001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> <001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <48379B2D.4040304@hal-pc.org> Lawrence Rush wrote: > Carolyn: Just my bias, but I think that one of the problems with club > shows is that there are too many lapidary, jewelry and "healer" type > of dealers. To my admittedly biased mind, there should not be any of > those at a "mineral" show. > Why not fill up your spaces with legitimate mineral dealers, and help > keep the hobby honest. I know there is a demand for the other things, > but should we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the expense > of not bringing more minerals to the public, which are infinitely more > beautiful than anything cut or polished? > > Just my .$02 > > Best wishes.......Larry Rush > > Right, Larry. And who pays for the hall and the heat or air conditioning and the security and the whatever with an attendance of 50 or so "serious" collectors and lots of cub and boy scouts on school day?? I doubt that very many of the rest of the public would come. I like minerals. I like rocks. I like lapidary and gemstones. I like science. can even see how beads would be a challenge to some. It's true that we are losing a lot of the older people who put this "hobby" on the map. It's true that it is getting harder and harder to find places where the amateurs can go. It's true that the professionals and serious collectors will never have that problem just because they are "on the inside" so to speak and their special interests will be fulfilled one way or another. It's true that a lot of technical information passes through this list. but it's also true that it is a "rockhound's" list. Rockhounds were rare before the 1960's and the Airstream trailer. And the shows that arose from the many seeking the open road and a chance to learn something, and even to create something of beauty or lasting value were a part of that call to the hobby. They still are. But the hobby is not anything like it was when June Culp Zeitner wandered around the country discovering things and making friends. Should it be? Probably. Will it be in the future? I don't know. Meanwhile the shows go on and their chair people struggle hard to keep them all going. Then, now, and probably in the future anything in this hobby which focuses too narrowly on one or the other aspect of it will not succeed. That is, it will not get any message across to the general public which is where the future of the hobby lies. The current fad is for beads and things; I don't know what it will be next week. And yes, there are many superb workshops and seminars, organized field trips to classical places, and so on. We cannot do without them. But the root and trunk of this tree is the hobby of finding something (that happens to be a rock) and making it into something else (that happens to be made of rock). In the branches are all the other things like mineralogy, geology, mysticism, and all the other things that people who have gotten into this hobby have discovered along the way. So yeah, it would be nice to be more of a purist and put on a good show for you and me and all the rest of we who are "serious" about this rock thing. But it won't succeed beyond the next bend in the river. Unfortunately that's the way it is. Fortunately, that is still the challenge, and your 2c plain is paid in gold. Keep it up. just my $.01 john From sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com Fri May 23 21:42:22 2008 From: sunstone3 at hvc.rr.com (Carolyn Reynard) Date: Fri May 23 21:36:47 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> <001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <002601c8bd58$8e77b280$e8eece45@feldsparflash> Larry, Your preference for a "mineral dealers only shows" is certainly understood. Reality is for us is knowing our customers. If we held a "mineral only" shows we would not be in our 39 annual year and our club would not be healthy and growing. There are all levels of quality and presentation in all lapidary and jewelry areas. We look for the very best and require the utmost professional presentation. We are not interested in having a "discount flea market show", we strive for a "Tiffany Show". Our club has an unusual setting as we are on the Dutchess County Fairgrounds in Rhinebeck, NY and we share the weekend with two other venues. This year it will be a Country Craft Show and a Heirloom Paper Crafts Show, so our customers come for the mineral show as well as those interested in the other two areas of interest. Last year the attendance for the Fairgrounds was 15,000. Show sponsors know if it weren't for the metaphysical interests by some of the public, shows would be suffering. This is not my observation in total, as it is almost a direct quote from a internationally respected dealer of rare minerals, who we are fortunate to have as one of our members. Our club is dedicated to the teaching of the Earth Sciences so we always have an educational theme which not only involves the general public but area high school students and elementary children. So if we have a dealer or two who are involved in the metaphysical, they just may bring in customers who may become more interested in the beauty of minerals for their own sake. As a mineral collector myself, I usually breeze by the beads, gemstones, and jewelry. But we are not all destined to be mineral collectors and it is a pleasure to see the joy of someone selecting a beautiful ring or choosing beads so they can exercise their creative talents. If they choose a crystal to become a more peaceful person, that's better than many things they could be buying. Glad to receive your $.02 Larry. It is always good to have a variety of opinions, I hope others will add their comments too. Carolyn Reynard, Show Chair.& Feldspar Collector Mid-Hudson Valley Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. Poughkeepsie, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > Carolyn: Just my bias, but I think that one of the problems with club shows > is that there are too many lapidary, jewelry and "healer" type of dealers. > To my admittedly biased mind, there should not be any of those at a > "mineral" show. > Why not fill up your spaces with legitimate mineral dealers, and help keep > the hobby honest. I know there is a demand for the other things, but should > we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the expense of not bringing > more minerals to the public, which are infinitely more beautiful than > anything cut or polished? > > Just my .$02 > > Best wishes.......Larry Rush > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Reynard" > To: "Rockhounds" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:08 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question > > > To the List: > > Knowing this list has an answer to almost everything related to Earth > Science I am asking for some guidance. > > Our gem & mineral society has an annual show in Rhinebeck, New York at the > Dutchess County Fairgrounds. For years we have had an October date. The > Fairgrounds has changed our date to September. We have lost some of our > dealers due to that conflict. > > As show chairman I am trying to maintain a balance of mineral, fossil, bead > and jewelry dealers. We have excellent mineral and jewelry dealers, but > at the moment I have five openings I wish to fill with top notch dealers of > different aspects of jewelry, lapidary rough, and possibly lapidary > equipment. We would consider other aspects, ie meteorites, stone sculpture. > > Our show is of average size, approx. 30 dealers. We share the Fairgrounds > with two other venues, both have national scheduled shows . Last year's > Fairgrounds attendance was 15,000. > > So please, if you are a show chairman or know of dealers who might fit this > description, please e-mail me off list. > > Carolyn Reynard, Show Chair. > Mid-Hudson Valley Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. > Poughkeepsie, NY > 845-471-1224 > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat May 24 10:20:49 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Sat May 24 10:20:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club References: Message-ID: <009701c8bdc2$82e17d60$929c324a@marilyn> I thought it was closed. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Club > Ruck's Pit can be great or very poor. It depends on when he has last > brought > a load up from the pit. You do not get to go into the pit, but he brings > front > end loader buckets full up and lets people go through the piles... > > > > Jeff Ursillo, President > Gem & Mineral Society of the Palm Beaches, Inc. > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From BNMJEFF at aol.com Sat May 24 10:25:32 2008 From: BNMJEFF at aol.com (BNMJEFF@aol.com) Date: Sat May 24 10:25:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Club Message-ID: Ruck's Pit was open as of 3 weeks ago. When I last talked to Eddie, there was no talk of closing, but these days things change daily.... **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kugeln at peoplepc.com Sat May 24 11:11:28 2008 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Sat May 24 11:11:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> <000801c8bd09$6c79dc20$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <001b01c8bdc9$979f1300$cceff304@JOHN> Great Fun!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Rush" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: [Rockhounds] Mineral Collectors- VOTE > Vote For your Choice > > > > The 2008 presidential elections are coming soon, and we, as mineral > collectors, have to make the best choice for the future of mineral > collecting. I have interviewed the major candidates, journalists, and > authorities to see who will best represent us for the next four years. > It's up to you! VOTE...... > > > > Question: How can we open up new collecting opportunities for mineral > collectors? > > > > > > Barack Obama: We must get new opportunities for collectors because it is > time for a CHANGE! The collectors want change! > > > > John Mc Cain: My friends, collectors need new opportunities because they > recognize the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all of the > collectors on the other side of the mine. > > > > Hillary Clinton: When I was the First Lady, I personally called for new > sites to dig in. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to > ensure-right from day one-that every collector in this country gets the > chance he/she deserves to find specimens. But then, this really isn't > about me - and all collector delegate votes must count! > > > > Dr.Phil: The problem we have here is that collectors won't realize that > they must first deal with the problem as it exists now before they go > after the problem after the election. What we need to do is help them > realize how stupid they are acting by not taking on their CURRENT > collecting problems before adding "NEW" problems. > > > > Oprah: Well, I understand the collector is having problems, which is why > he wants those opportunities so badly. So instead of having the collector > learn from his mistakes and find very few minerals, which is a part of > life, I'm going to give these collectors quarries of their own, so that > they can just drive in there and not live their lives like the rest of the > world's collectors. > > > > George W. Bush: We don't really care why the collectors don't have any > places to dig. We just want to know if the collector is on OUR side of the > mine or not. The collector is either against us or for us. There is no > middle ground in our mines! > > > > Colin Powell: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the > satellite image of the collector entering the mine adit. > > > > Anderson Cooper - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a collector > internet group, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to it or > the Federation yet. > > > > John Kerry: Although I voted to let the collectors access to our mine, I > am now against it! It was the wrong mine to enter, and I was misled about > the collector's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against > it. > > > > Nancy Grace: That collector entered the quarry because he is guilty of > trespassing! You can see it in his eyes and in the way he carries his > tools! > > > > Pat Buchanan: Collectors only want to steal the jobs of decent, > hard-working American miners! > > > > Martha Stewart: No one called me to warn me which way collectors are > going. I had a standing order at the Tucson Show to sell my designer > trade-marked minerals when the price dropped to a certain level. No dealer > gave me any insider information! > > > > Dr.Seuss: Did the collector find the mine? Did he enter it and have a > find? > > Yes, the collector entered the mine, but why he entered it is undefined. > > > > Ernest Hemingway: Collectors must dig, to die in the rain. > > > > Jerry Falwell: Collectors are gay! Can't you people see the plain truth? > > That's why they call it a mineral "club". Yes, my friends, mineral people > are gay. And if you dig specimens, you will become gay, too. I say we > boycott all collectors until we sort out this abomination that the liberal > media white-washes with seemingly harmless phrases like "world class > specimens". That collector should not be digging in road cuts! It's as > plain and simple as that! > > > > Grandpa: In my day we didn't ask why collectors dug in prospect pits. > Somebody told us the minerals were there and that was good enough. > > > > Barbara Walters: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be > listening to the collector tell, for the first time, the heart warming > story of how he experienced a serious case of mineral envy, and went on to > accomplish his life long dream of finding Wulfenite. > > > > Aristotle: It is the nature of mineral collectors to dig in dirty, filthy > pits of clay. > > > > John Lennon: Imagine all the collectors in the world swinging picks > together, in peace. > > > > Bill Gates: I have just released EMinerals 2008, which will not only find > minerals, but will clean them, label them, and put them for sale on E-Bay. > Internet Explorer is an integral part of EMinerals. This new platform is > much more stable and will never cra... >:**"/DD (Reboot!) > > > > Albert Einstein: Did the collector enter the pit, or did the pit move > beneath the collector? > > > > Rev. Al Sharpton, edited by the Rev. Jesse Jackson: Why are all the > collectors white? We need some black diggers in our clubs! > > > > Rev. Jeremiah Wright: G**D** all them white collectors, and G**D** > America, too! > > > > Louis Farrakhan: ..and after we overthrow all thems white diggers, the big > black mother ship will come from outer space and take us all to the new > black mineral world. No white minerals allowed! > > > > Bill Clinton: (the first black mineral president): I did not do XRay > diffractions with "that" female collector. What is your definition of > "collector", anyway? > > > > Al Gore: I invented mineral collecting! And the crystal came before the > internet, which I also invented, along with global warming and climate > change, which is why the collector is escaping underground to the other > mine, by the way. Read my new book, "An Inconvenient Field Trip; The > Crisis of Mineral Collecting". > > > > Osama Bin Laden: We will rise up and expel the infidel mineral collectors > from the collecting lands of our fathers, and we will keep their female > collectors as "trophies" in our cabinets! > > > > Dick Cheney: Where's my gun? There's another terrorist mineral collector > in my field! > > > > (This material is copywritten. Please get permission from the author > before re-printing. Larry Rush; larryrush@att.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From smtravis at plateautel.net Sat May 24 12:01:55 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Sat May 24 12:01:58 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Wulfenite from China References: <4833972A.5090201@hawaiiantel.net><4834437F.EFCFBDAA@gmx.de><8CA89720AD00C5B-E84-B9E@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00e401c8bdd0$a425b140$929c324a@marilyn> The W mines in AZ are shaft mines and not too deep under 1000' I think tunnels and drifts not open pit but they are vein material not dissiminated so open pit would not be the best minine method. I don't know anything about the chineese mines Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyle Pai" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [Rockhounds] Wulfenite from China > Dear List, > > I was reading an article from the 2007 Mineralogical Record about 'Red > Wulfenite' from XinJiang Uygur Autonomous Region in north-western China by > Wendell Wilson and Marcus Origlieri. Apparently some high quality > wulfenite came out of this region in 2006 that is comparable to wulfenite > found in Arizona and Mexico. > > Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how wulfenite is mined? Is it > found deep underground or relatively near the surface? What would a > wulfenite mine look like? > > The authors of the article had not visited the mine in the Kuruktag > Mountains but gave approximate locations. I am looking at some satellite > photos of the approximate area and found some open pits where there's been > some obvious digging going on and was wondering whether they could be > related. > > Alternatively, if anyone is interested in looking at the satellite photos > and helping me identify what they are digging, that would be interesting > too... Please contact me privately and I'll be glad to send you the > satellite photos. > > Thanks in advance, > > Lyle > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From rockcurrier at cs.com Sat May 24 23:35:42 2008 From: rockcurrier at cs.com (Rock Currier) Date: Sat May 24 23:36:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <200805250101.m4P11eqt018980@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <001001c8be31$8ed29720$e4e4a5d8@NICHOLAS6> should we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the expense > of not bringing more minerals to the public, which are infinitely more > beautiful than anything cut or polished? Perhaps to a very small minority of people, minerals are infinitely more beautiful than anything cut and polished, but to the vast majority of people they are not. One has to look no further than to what people choose to wear as jewelry to understand the truth of this. Most minerals are pretty ugly and to pretend otherwise is ignoring reality. Should we then have mineral shows where only the few very pretty minerals are shown? Should we try to force our views of what is beautiful and desirable on the people who attend our shows? Concerning mines that produce wulfenite crystals. I have been trying to think of any localities that have produced good specimens of wulfenite that are not underground mines and can't think of any. I would be interested if anyone could point out to me a locality that produced good wulfenite specimens that was not an relatively shallow (less than 1000 feet) underground copper/lead/zinc mine in a deposit of oxidized minerals. The Red Cloud Mine in southern Arizona was originally such an underground mine though many fine specimens were found within 100 feet of the surface. The Red Cloud was mined by open pit methods in recent years and more good wulfenite specimens were found in and near the old underground stopes and tunnels. But other than that instance I can't think of another open pit mine that has produced good wulfenite specimens. Of course it also depends on what you define as a good wulfenite specimen. I think micro wulfenites and poor wulfenite specimens have been collected from certain outcrops but most would not call them good wulfenite specimens. As with most minerals, fine specimens of their crystals do not well survive the near surface erosional forces of our planet. Rock From cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net Sun May 25 08:45:16 2008 From: cliffjackson9 at earthlink.net (Cliff Jackson) Date: Sun May 25 08:45:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dino Bone Question Message-ID: <11743230.1211730316490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> List I purchased some dino bone from the late Ernie Shirley,of Hanksville, UT, about 8-9 years ago. I have several slabs from end cuts. Can I sell them? And no I have no idea where the reciept is. Have moved a least 5 times since then. I know that you can not collect bone from public land. I also have a few pieces collected from privite land but do not want to sell any of that. Cliff Jackson Las Vegas From rocknlight at aol.com Sun May 25 21:23:05 2008 From: rocknlight at aol.com (rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Sun May 25 21:23:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Dino Bone Question In-Reply-To: <11743230.1211730316490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11743230.1211730316490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA8CFF5425A81A-F5C-4017@webmail-nf01.sysops.aol.com> E BAY -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Jackson To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Sun, 25 May 2008 8:45 am Subject: [Rockhounds] Dino Bone Question List I purchased some dino bone from the late Ernie Shirley,of Hanksville, UT, about 8-9 years ago. I have several slabs from end cuts. Can I sell them? And no I have no idea where the reciept is. Have moved a least 5 times since then. I know that you can not collect bone from public land. I also have a few pieces collected from privite land but do not want to sell any of that. Cliff Jackson Las Vegas -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From brenick at gmail.com Mon May 26 04:51:13 2008 From: brenick at gmail.com (Brenda Van Dyke) Date: Mon May 26 04:51:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary Message-ID: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a nice piece of spectrolite from Finland. I have seen cabochons made from this material, and would like to try my hand at working with it, but as it is my only piece, would like some advice from all of you experts out there. I have a Diamond Pacific Genie and a buffer to work with. Thanks in advance for your help, Brenda --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From jeanne at jeannius.com Mon May 26 06:39:53 2008 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Mon May 26 06:39:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary In-Reply-To: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> References: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483ABDA9.2060101@jeannius.com> Hi Brenda, two things come to mine, one is that the darn stuff can be brittle, so you have to be careful not to push it too hard on your wheels or you will cause it to crack along the cleavage planes. Secondly, if it isn't already slabbed, you need to think about the angle the stone will be viewed from....I don't remember exactly which angle you are supposed to cut it from, but if you want to use it as a pendant stone, you have to cut it so that it is at it's brightest with light coming from an angle to the plane of the stone, where if you want it as a ring stone, it can come be cut with light coming directly on the stone. It's hard to explain. Here's an entry at Ganoksin.com (orchid) http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive/200005/msg00023.htm and see this at gemcutters.org http://www.gemcutters.org/LDA/Archive/html%20files/LD061.htm hope that helps! Jeanne PS. when I cut it, I tend to cut a rather shallow/flattish cab to get the most color over a wider area. Brenda Van Dyke wrote: > Hi, > > I have a nice piece of spectrolite from Finland. I have seen cabochons made > from this material, and would like to try my hand at working with it, but as > it is my only piece, would like some advice from all of you experts out > there. I have a Diamond Pacific Genie and a buffer to work with. > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Brenda > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From nospam at orerockon.com Mon May 26 06:40:54 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Mon May 26 06:40:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary In-Reply-To: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.co m> References: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080526062836.035a6500@orerockon.com> It is relatively soft and has definite cleavage planes but works easily on diamond wheels if you are careful with it. Avoid jamming it into the wheels. The AA and AAA grade material from the mine owners, Korukivihiomo Kiurunen in Finland (which I believe is all that they sell) works especially well. I have bought wholesale slabbed rough from them in the past, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy retail (if you want more check out their site; the prices are VERY reasonable). Their slabs are very thick which I believe helps to work it without it cleaving apart. As for other material (e.g., the junk being dumped on Ebay), all I can say is Caveat Emptor. http://www.finnishspectrolite.com/gblang/spesales/lookbottom.html At 04:51 AM 5/26/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a nice piece of spectrolite from Finland. I have seen cabochons made >from this material, and would like to try my hand at working with it, but as >it is my only piece, would like some advice from all of you experts out >there. I have a Diamond Pacific Genie and a buffer to work with. > >Thanks in advance for your help, >Brenda Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From horstwindisch at absamail.co.za Sun May 25 09:00:04 2008 From: horstwindisch at absamail.co.za (Horst Windisch) Date: Mon May 26 11:31:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash><001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> <48379B2D.4040304@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <000001c8bf5e$9d9d4560$8f4cd0c4@federatiydq01o> VERY WELL SAID. TASTES DO CHANGE WITH TIME AND IF WE ARE TO SURVIVE, WE MUST MOVE WITH THE TIMES. Still recovering from my hip replacement op ((22nd April) but have go back tro hospital to have my gall bladder removed on 28th April. Regards, Horst ----- Original Message ----- From: "jbacko" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > Lawrence Rush wrote: >> Carolyn: Just my bias, but I think that one of the problems with club >> shows is that there are too many lapidary, jewelry and "healer" type of >> dealers. To my admittedly biased mind, there should not be any of those >> at a "mineral" show. >> Why not fill up your spaces with legitimate mineral dealers, and help >> keep the hobby honest. I know there is a demand for the other things, but >> should we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the expense of not >> bringing more minerals to the public, which are infinitely more beautiful >> than anything cut or polished? >> >> Just my .$02 >> >> Best wishes.......Larry Rush >> >> > > > Right, Larry. And who pays for the hall and the heat or air conditioning > and the security and the whatever with an attendance of 50 or so "serious" > collectors and lots of cub and boy scouts on school day?? > > I doubt that very many of the rest of the public would come. > > I like minerals. I like rocks. I like lapidary and gemstones. I like > science. can even see how beads would be a challenge to some. It's true > that we are losing a lot of the older people who put this "hobby" on the > map. It's true that it is getting harder and harder to find places where > the amateurs can go. > It's true that the professionals and serious collectors will never have > that problem just because they are "on the inside" so to speak and their > special interests will be fulfilled one way or another. > > It's true that a lot of technical information passes through this list. > but it's also true that it is a "rockhound's" list. Rockhounds were rare > before the 1960's and the Airstream trailer. And the shows that arose > from the many seeking the open road and a chance to learn something, and > even to create something of beauty or lasting value were a part of that > call to the hobby. They still are. But the hobby is not anything like it > was when June Culp Zeitner wandered around the country discovering things > and making friends. Should it be? Probably. Will it be in the future? I > don't know. Meanwhile the shows go on and their chair people struggle hard > to keep them all going. > > Then, now, and probably in the future anything in this hobby which focuses > too narrowly on one or the other aspect of it will not succeed. That is, > it will not get any message across to the general public which is where > the future of the hobby lies. The current fad is for beads and things; I > don't know what it will be next week. > > And yes, there are many superb workshops and seminars, organized field > trips to classical places, and so on. We cannot do without them. But the > root and trunk of this tree is the hobby of finding something (that > happens to be a rock) and making it into something else (that happens to > be made of rock). In the branches are all the other things like > mineralogy, geology, mysticism, and all the other things that people who > have gotten into this hobby have discovered along the way. > > So yeah, it would be nice to be more of a purist and put on a good show > for you and me and all the rest of we who are "serious" about this rock > thing. But it won't succeed beyond the next bend in the river. > Unfortunately that's the way it is. Fortunately, that is still the > challenge, and your 2c plain is paid in gold. Keep it up. > > > just my $.01 > > john > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 18/05/2008 09:31 > > From wdeanwelder at yahoo.com Mon May 26 14:14:54 2008 From: wdeanwelder at yahoo.com (Dean Welder) Date: Mon May 26 14:18:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Garnet Hill, Nevada In-Reply-To: <48350FCE.6030807@arczip.com> Message-ID: <716181.47010.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have been there, once. The garnets are (IMO) nicely shaped and rather large size with good natural facets; but, they are not of gem quality, more like specimen types. The better finds are cabinet-specimen size chunks of the host (a very light pink colored rhyolite) material with attached garnets. We didn't do any rock-busting collecting, we got lucky and arrived soon after a short-but-heavy thunderstorm and only did simple surface collecting. I repeat was I was told: Don't make it a special destination; but, if Garnet Hill is not terribly far out of the way it makes a good stop during an otherwise painful drive ;-). Dean --- On Wed, 5/21/08, Charles Baran wrote: > From: Charles Baran > Subject: [Rockhounds] Garnet Hill, Nevada > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 11:16 PM > Friends: Kathy and I are going to take a driving trip from > Washington > State to Nevada in July and plan on stopping at Garnet Hill > . We have > never been there. My question is: Is it worth the trip? > Are nice, > gemmy garnets available? What size? What type of tools > should we > take? What should we look for? I thank you all very much. > > Chuck Baran > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From smtravis at plateautel.net Mon May 26 15:01:02 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Mon May 26 15:01:01 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary References: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> <483ABDA9.2060101@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <01cd01c8bf7b$fd616400$929c324a@marilyn> I have a suggstion too. I take time to orient it well one light directly above the stone. most of mine is from labrador so mostly blue but I find that large xtals are rare so some times the edges of the piece change orientation. Long story short I cut them a bit thicker then normal slabs so I can take the back down one way or the other to tweek the orentatioon of the final stone. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Rhodes-Moen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary > Hi Brenda, > > two things come to mine, one is that the darn stuff can be brittle, so you > have to be careful not to push it too hard on your wheels or you will > cause it to crack along the cleavage planes. Secondly, if it isn't already > slabbed, you need to think about the angle the stone will be viewed > from....I don't remember exactly which angle you are supposed to cut it > from, but if you want to use it as a pendant stone, you have to cut it so > that it is at it's brightest with light coming from an angle to the plane > of the stone, where if you want it as a ring stone, it can come be cut > with light coming directly on the stone. It's hard to explain. Here's an > entry at Ganoksin.com (orchid) > http://www.ganoksin.com/orchid/archive/200005/msg00023.htm > and see this at gemcutters.org > > http://www.gemcutters.org/LDA/Archive/html%20files/LD061.htm > > hope that helps! > > Jeanne > > PS. when I cut it, I tend to cut a rather shallow/flattish cab to get the > most color over a wider area. > > Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a nice piece of spectrolite from Finland. I have seen cabochons >> made >> from this material, and would like to try my hand at working with it, but >> as >> it is my only piece, would like some advice from all of you experts out >> there. I have a Diamond Pacific Genie and a buffer to work with. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help, >> Brenda >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Mon May 26 18:49:59 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Mon May 26 18:50:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question In-Reply-To: <000001c8bf5e$9d9d4560$8f4cd0c4@federatiydq01o> Message-ID: <37278D02-2B8F-11DD-A60C-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> If the movement of the times is in a negative direction it should be resisted. Not all change is for the best. Some things don't change, like the need to make the public more aware of the connection between minerals and their every-day life; if it isn't grown, it must be mined. If we don't educate, we won't be able to continue to collect (or mine!). Science needs to be passed on. Rockhounds need to help control the change of tastes. Kreigh On Sunday, May 25, 2008, at 12:00 America/Detroit, Horst Windisch wrote: > VERY WELL SAID. TASTES DO CHANGE WITH TIME AND IF WE ARE TO SURVIVE, > WE MUST MOVE WITH THE TIMES. > > Still recovering from my hip replacement op ((22nd April) but have go > back tro hospital to have my gall bladder removed on 28th April. > > Regards, > > Horst > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jbacko" > To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors" > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Question > > >> Lawrence Rush wrote: >>> Carolyn: Just my bias, but I think that one of the problems with >>> club shows is that there are too many lapidary, jewelry and "healer" >>> type of dealers. To my admittedly biased mind, there should not be >>> any of those at a "mineral" show. >>> Why not fill up your spaces with legitimate mineral dealers, and >>> help keep the hobby honest. I know there is a demand for the other >>> things, but should we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the >>> expense of not bringing more minerals to the public, which are >>> infinitely more beautiful than anything cut or polished? >>> >>> Just my .$02 >>> >>> Best wishes.......Larry Rush >>> >>> >> >> >> Right, Larry. And who pays for the hall and the heat or air >> conditioning and the security and the whatever with an attendance of >> 50 or so "serious" collectors and lots of cub and boy scouts on >> school day?? >> >> I doubt that very many of the rest of the public would come. >> >> I like minerals. I like rocks. I like lapidary and gemstones. I like >> science. can even see how beads would be a challenge to some. It's >> true that we are losing a lot of the older people who put this >> "hobby" on the map. It's true that it is getting harder and harder to >> find places where the amateurs can go. >> It's true that the professionals and serious collectors will never >> have that problem just because they are "on the inside" so to speak >> and their special interests will be fulfilled one way or another. >> >> It's true that a lot of technical information passes through this >> list. but it's also true that it is a "rockhound's" list. Rockhounds >> were rare before the 1960's and the Airstream trailer. And the shows >> that arose from the many seeking the open road and a chance to learn >> something, and even to create something of beauty or lasting value >> were a part of that call to the hobby. They still are. But the hobby >> is not anything like it was when June Culp Zeitner wandered around >> the country discovering things and making friends. Should it be? >> Probably. Will it be in the future? I don't know. Meanwhile the shows >> go on and their chair people struggle hard to keep them all going. >> >> Then, now, and probably in the future anything in this hobby which >> focuses too narrowly on one or the other aspect of it will not >> succeed. That is, it will not get any message across to the general >> public which is where the future of the hobby lies. The current fad >> is for beads and things; I don't know what it will be next week. >> >> And yes, there are many superb workshops and seminars, organized >> field trips to classical places, and so on. We cannot do without >> them. But the root and trunk of this tree is the hobby of finding >> something (that happens to be a rock) and making it into something >> else (that happens to be made of rock). In the branches are all the >> other things like mineralogy, geology, mysticism, and all the other >> things that people who have gotten into this hobby have discovered >> along the way. >> >> So yeah, it would be nice to be more of a purist and put on a good >> show for you and me and all the rest of we who are "serious" about >> this rock thing. But it won't succeed beyond the next bend in the >> river. Unfortunately that's the way it is. Fortunately, that is still >> the challenge, and your 2c plain is paid in gold. Keep it up. >> >> >> just my $.01 >> >> john >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: >> 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 18/05/2008 09:31 >> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jeanne at jeannius.com Tue May 27 04:08:50 2008 From: jeanne at jeannius.com (Jeanne Rhodes-Moen) Date: Tue May 27 04:08:59 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary In-Reply-To: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> References: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483BEBC2.1000607@jeannius.com> someone I knew used to use opticon prior to cutting to stabilize any cracks. Jeanne Brenda Van Dyke wrote: > Hi, > > I have a nice piece of spectrolite from Finland. I have seen cabochons made > from this material, and would like to try my hand at working with it, but as > it is my only piece, would like some advice from all of you experts out > there. I have a Diamond Pacific Genie and a buffer to work with. > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Brenda > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > From nospam at orerockon.com Tue May 27 06:01:19 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Tue May 27 06:01:44 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] spectrolite - lapidary In-Reply-To: <483BEBC2.1000607@jeannius.com> References: <97175ae90805260451x164c9f9auff26650bc5bb616c@mail.gmail.com> <483BEBC2.1000607@jeannius.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080527055951.0350ac38@orerockon.com> I would not do that to the high grade Finnish Spectrolite. It would be completely unnecessary and may cause complications with the fine diamond grits & polishing (i.e., severe undercutting). IMO. At 04:08 AM 5/27/2008, you wrote: >someone I knew used to use opticon prior to cutting to stabilize any cracks. > >Jeanne > >Brenda Van Dyke wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I have a nice piece of spectrolite from Finland. I have seen cabochons made >>from this material, and would like to try my hand at working with it, but as >>it is my only piece, would like some advice from all of you experts out >>there. I have a Diamond Pacific Genie and a buffer to work with. >> >>Thanks in advance for your help, >>Brenda Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From rower at start.no Tue May 27 06:57:28 2008 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Tue May 27 06:57:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl Message-ID: <1823.1211896649@start.no> Hi, Just a short question about the "best" description/definition of heliodore as opposed to gold beryl. I have googled and found a lot of conflicting information regarding the color of these varieties. Can anyone recommend a reference/source for the demarcation between these varieties that will hold in an official context? On beforehand thanks for your help! Ronald Werner Evje og Hornnes Geomuseum p? Fennefoss Norway ------------------------------------------------------------------------- F? din egen, gratis e-postadresse p? Start.no From pmodreski at aol.com Tue May 27 08:05:20 2008 From: pmodreski at aol.com (pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Tue May 27 08:05:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl In-Reply-To: <1823.1211896649@start.no> References: <1823.1211896649@start.no> Message-ID: <8CA8E22313A1B6A-1608-A24@FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com> Ronald, You are right, there is conflicting information to be seen on the?www about these names. For a start, I notice that you said "gold beryl" and not "golden beryl".? I don't know if you intentionally wrote it that way, but "gold beryl", as opposed to "golden beryl", has traditionally been used as a name for yellow chrysoberyl, and not for beryl at all; that is what the American Geological Institute, Glossary of Geology, says about "gold beryl".? However, I think this usage is archaic and is not often used at all this way any more, and people who might write "gold beryl" do simply mean the same as "golden beryl". So getting back to golden beryl vs. heliodor, I think that for the most part these two are just synonyms and really mean the same, and that this is the only?logical way to treat these two names. But some sources, especially some selling gemstones online, think they can make a distinction between them.? This distinction doesn't seem to be consistent, and I don't think it makes any sense.? I see that some sites say that "heliodor" is a more encompassing term that includes yellow, golden, yellow-green, and brown tints of beryl, whereas "golden beryl" only applies to true golden color.? Personally, I have no idea what the difference is supposed to be between "golden" and "yellow" colors; I don't think there really is any.? One website says, for example, "However, the shade may vary and it is often difficult to establish a dividing line between Heliodor, Golden Beryl and Yellow Beryl." I agree, except I would say that such a distinction is imaginary, not just "difficult"; all three of these mean the same thing. Historically, I understand that the name "heliodor" was coined in 1910 as a marketing term for a new find from Namibia?(quoting from mindat.org): "Originally applied as a trade name for "Golden Beryl" from R?ssing, Namibia. See E. Kaiser (1912) Centr. Min. p385. Now in more common use for any gem-quality Golden Beryl." That is my take on this. Pete Modreski, Denver, CO (US Geological Survey) -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Werner Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 7:57 am Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl Hi, Just a short question about the "best" description/definition of heliodore as pposed to gold beryl. I have googled and found a lot of conflicting information regarding the color of these varieties. Can anyone recommend a reference/source for the demarcation between these arieties hat will hold in an official context? On beforehand thanks for your help! Ronald Werner vje og Hornnes Geomuseum p? Fennefoss orway ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? din egen, gratis e-postadresse p? Start.no -- ______________________________________________ ockhounds@drizzle Mailing List ubscription Services: ttp://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds ist Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: ttp://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Tue May 27 09:50:24 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Tue May 27 09:50:43 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Willemite and Calcite and eBay Nastieness In-Reply-To: <000001c8bf5e$9d9d4560$8f4cd0c4@federatiydq01o> References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash><001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush><48379B2D.4040304@hal-pc.org> <000001c8bf5e$9d9d4560$8f4cd0c4@federatiydq01o> Message-ID: <076801c8c019$c2ad45b0$6601a8c0@okapi> Just a short note to The Group... You may remember that last week I pointed out a dumb mis-labeling on eBay (willemite in a septarian nodule). I and another group member who had commented on the auction received threatening and, quite frankly, obscene notes from that eBay lister. Sometimes, it appears, complaining to eBay does work. The miscreant no longer has anything posted on eBay. One of the things about our rockhound and scientific community is our absolute adherence to correctly identifying mineral specimens. I know many cases where someone has been corrected on the group. The response has inevitably been "Thanks for pointing that out to me!" We owe it to the rest of the collecting community to point out errors. Responsible eBay dealers, and most are, fix things up right away with an appreciative note. GcB From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue May 27 14:01:14 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue May 27 14:01:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bryan, We just returned from a very similar route! Watch for more to come in a short series of reports on our super-trip. Glenn & Jeanette > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:35 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] Our summer trip> > We are heading North this summer, up to Mammoth caves for 3 days and then up> to Niagara, thru the Adirondacks and across to Acadia NP. Maybe a side trip> to Canada from there. Then back down via the Blue Ridge.> > We plan on fossiling in Kentucky (any good spots near Mammoth Caves?), and> then doing Herkimers in NY. I tried to buy a book on Maine from Amazon> (Northeast Rockhounding or some such) but they just notified us that they> don't have it and don't expect to find one. So anyone have any suggestions> for a book or ideas for Maine?> > All this from the end of June to Mid July. Hope the blackfly season is over> by then.> > BK> > -- > "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of> reality with which we create our own private world."> Arnold Newman> > > J Bryan Kramer> North Florida, USA> photos at:> http://pbase.com/photoburner> > _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov Tue May 27 16:15:59 2008 From: rick.trapp at azgs.az.gov (Rick Trapp) Date: Tue May 27 16:21:23 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about club shows In-Reply-To: <001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> References: <001601c8bd00$11375df0$e8eece45@feldsparflash> <001801c8bd0f$509f5ec0$0200000a@LarryRush> Message-ID: <483C962F.1010406@azgs.az.gov> Why not? The Tucson Gem and Mineral Society was faced with this problem a couple of decades ago: declining attendance for a show that was predominately mineral. One of our members lobbied for inclusion of what we call "general retail" - lapidary, jewelry, etc. Result: continuing financial success and reliable attendance figures. We have the best Club Show in the world now. We spend a small fortune every year on special displays, the majority of which are mineral in nature. But our biggest show was the one where Faberge was the theme. Yeah, I know, disgusting stuff that is barely mineral-related. The general retail dealers are mostly separated from the mineral dealers. We have seminars which are predominately mineral-oriented and we host two charity silent auctions which benefit mineral-related organizations - a significant proportion of the donated items for these auctions is from the general retail people, however. We rely on the general retail to get enough people in the door to make our club show a viable enterprise. Of course if you happen to live in a town that is completely composed of mineral collectors, I'm sure you could make a go of a mineral-only show.... but I doubt that it would make money year after year. We have strict standards for booth appearance and reliability and appearance of dealers that keeps out the more "scruffy" element of the "healers", but we have several dealers who are well-versed in the "needs" and desires of those who believe in "crystal-healing", etc. They do very well with the "healer" types who are often loaded with money and ready to spend it. My advice is to have strict standards for your dealers, but allow jewelry and lapidary and all that to be sold. Keep the areas separate from the mineral dealers if you really feel you must for the sake of purists. Rick Trapp TGMS 2009 Show Chair Lawrence Rush wrote: > Carolyn: Just my bias, but I think that one of the problems with club > shows is that there are too many lapidary, jewelry and "healer" type > of dealers. To my admittedly biased mind, there should not be any of > those at a "mineral" show. > Why not fill up your spaces with legitimate mineral dealers, and help > keep the hobby honest. I know there is a demand for the other things, > but should we give in to the money side of the hobby, at the expense > of not bringing more minerals to the public, which are infinitely more > beautiful than anything cut or polished? > > Just my .$02 > > Best wishes.......Larry Rush > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Reynard" > > To: "Rockhounds" > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:08 PM > Subject: [Rockhounds] Question > > > To the List: > > Knowing this list has an answer to almost everything related to Earth > Science I am asking for some guidance. > > Our gem & mineral society has an annual show in Rhinebeck, New York at > the Dutchess County Fairgrounds. For years we have had an October > date. The Fairgrounds has changed our date to September. We have lost > some of our dealers due to that conflict. > > As show chairman I am trying to maintain a balance of mineral, fossil, > bead and jewelry dealers. We have excellent mineral and jewelry > dealers, but > at the moment I have five openings I wish to fill with top notch > dealers of different aspects of jewelry, lapidary rough, and possibly > lapidary equipment. We would consider other aspects, ie meteorites, > stone sculpture. > > Our show is of average size, approx. 30 dealers. We share the > Fairgrounds with two other venues, both have national scheduled shows > . Last year's Fairgrounds attendance was 15,000. > > So please, if you are a show chairman or know of dealers who might fit > this description, please e-mail me off list. > > Carolyn Reynard, Show Chair. > Mid-Hudson Valley Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. > Poughkeepsie, NY > 845-471-1224 > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- -- Rick Trapp Geologist/IT Manager, Arizona Geological Survey rick.trapp@azgs.az.gov From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Tue May 27 18:04:22 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Tue May 27 18:04:30 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl In-Reply-To: <1823.1211896649@start.no> Message-ID: <0222EE8A-2C52-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> At least one college says that heliodore is a variety of beryl. http://www.museums.udel.edu/mineral/mineral_site/collection/ alphabetical/H/heliodore.html Kreigh On Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 09:57 America/Detroit, Ronald Werner wrote: > Hi, > > Just a short question about the "best" description/definition of > heliodore as > opposed to gold beryl. > > I have googled and found a lot of conflicting information regarding > the color of > these varieties. > > Can anyone recommend a reference/source for the demarcation between > these varieties > that will hold in an official context? > > On beforehand thanks for your help! > > Ronald Werner > Evje og Hornnes Geomuseum p? Fennefoss > Norway > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > F? din egen, gratis e-postadresse p? Start.no > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Tue May 27 21:07:46 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Tue May 27 21:09:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] =?windows-1252?q?Trip_Report=3A_Up_One_Side_and_Down_the_Other_?= =?windows-1252?q?=96_Phase_I?= Message-ID: Day 1 found us leisurely motoring from home in Lower Alabama south of Mobile to Cave City, Kentucky with a pause just north of Decatur, Alabama for lunch with some terrific in-laws. Day 2 Mammoth Cave beckoned and the skies threatened. We elected to take the four hour guided tour. Be forewarned, it is strenuous. On the other hand, there was no rain in the caverns. Several hundred steps led to deep in the cave near the entrance. Gypsum extruded through the sandstone walls and ceiling in white curling patterns for about the first easy mile. Then we trekked the hills to about 250 feet below ground level. Water trickled through near the deepest underground valley. Then we hit the mountains. Mt. McKinley about did us old fat folks in trying to keep up with the ranger. There are worn areas that look like sandy creek bottoms 360 degrees in the cave tunnel. The scalloping is larger where water flowed slowly, and small close scalloping eroded in the cave where the flow was fast and furious. A deep fossil layer was pointed out to us deep in the cave. Brachiopods and gastropods and clams were clearly visible. I think if we had not asked, we?d have missed the fossils. The best came near the end of the tour and as we caught our breath we came to the limestone formations and the ?Frozen Niagara? stalactites, stalagmites, and columns resembling the waterfalls. ?Crystal Lake? is deep and surrounded by the beautiful deposits. Then it was out of the caverns and into the storm that was no longer threatening but forcefully raining and blowing. A wild turkey watched from the side of the road as the park bus shuttled us back to the visitor center. Trees swayed and bent, heavy with rain and stressed by the wind. In the comfort of our Honda Pilot the roads of the park took us through forests, and ferries took us across one spot on the Green River and back over another. Nature?s beauty was all around in all shades of wet spring green, flowers of white and lavender, asphalt black wet and sparkling, and multicolored gravel roads were sprinkled with small newly grown limbs and leaves like green snow strewn by the storm. Stay tuned for Phase II. Glenn & Jeanette _________________________________________________________________ E-mail for the greater good. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Wed May 28 02:35:03 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Wed May 28 02:35:15 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl In-Reply-To: <1823.1211896649@start.no> References: <1823.1211896649@start.no> Message-ID: <001d01c8c0a6$1bc86080$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Hi Werner, I'm not a professional geologist like Pete, so please treat my answer with the necessary discretion ;-) I believe that Heliodore is a variety of beryl that is typically colored by the presence of iron. More specifically the charge transfer between iron and oxygen. Some sources state that heliodore may also be colored by uranium in rare cases. ( http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~eps2/wisc/Lect9.html ) Personally I would be inclined to use the same criteria that are used for other gemstones. Ruby has quite a broad pallet ranging from deep red-brown (some Fe present) over almost purplish red to bright red and even pink. But all corundum that is colored some shade of red by chromium 3+ replacing Al 3+ is called ruby. There is no fixed criterion although value depends largely on transparency and color. I think it would be acceptable to do the same with heliodore. If a beryl is colored 1) sufficiently deep yellow 2) by the presence of iron 3)to be distinguished from other varieties by the unaided eye then I'd have no trouble calling it heliodore. Since heliodor is NOT a mineral but rather a variety name I wonder if there even are any established criteria for it to earn the name other than being yellow. About the "golden beryl": I'm always careful with adjectives that precede a gem... They usually are meant the "embellish" a plain stone ;-))) For example: Bohemian ruby = pyrope garnet Bastard emerald or evening emerald = peridote Lithia emerald = hiddenite Bohemian or golden topaz = citrine Smoky Topaz = smokey quartz Sachsen (Saxony) Beryl = apatite I hope this was helpful Axel Emmermann European Regional Vice President of the Fluorescent Mineral Society ========================= Mineralogische Kring Antwerpen/Antwerp Mineralogical Society Werkgroepleider/Workgroup leader: Fluorescerende mineralen/Fluorescent minerals Technische Realisaties/Engineering My website: From codeburner at gmail.com Wed May 28 05:18:30 2008 From: codeburner at gmail.com (J Bryan Kramer) Date: Wed May 28 05:18:40 2008 Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_[Rockhounds]_Trip_Report:_Up_On?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?e_Side_and_Down_the_Other_=96_Phase_I?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One thing that I thought was interesting about Mammoth Caves is that there was an important Potassium Nitrate extraction facility right in the outer cave that supplied gunpowder to the US during the War of 1812 operated by E.I Dupont. The remains of the facility are still there including wooden piping. BK On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Glenn Wimpee wrote: > > Day 1 found us leisurely motoring from home in Lower Alabama south of > Mobile to Cave City, Kentucky with a pause just north of Decatur, Alabama > for lunch with some terrific in-laws. > > Day 2 Mammoth Cave beckoned and the skies threatened. We elected to take > the four hour guided tour. Be forewarned, it is strenuous. On the other > hand, there was no rain in the caverns. Several hundred steps led to deep in > the cave near the entrance. Gypsum extruded through the sandstone walls and > ceiling in white curling patterns for about the first easy mile. Then we > trekked the hills to about 250 feet below ground level. Water trickled > through near the deepest underground valley. > > Then we hit the mountains. Mt. McKinley about did us old fat folks in > trying to keep up with the ranger. There are worn areas that look like sandy > creek bottoms 360 degrees in the cave tunnel. The scalloping is larger where > water flowed slowly, and small close scalloping eroded in the cave where the > flow was fast and furious. > > A deep fossil layer was pointed out to us deep in the cave. Brachiopods and > gastropods and clams were clearly visible. I think if we had not asked, we'd > have missed the fossils. > > The best came near the end of the tour and as we caught our breath we came > to the limestone formations and the "Frozen Niagara" stalactites, > stalagmites, and columns resembling the waterfalls. "Crystal Lake" is deep > and surrounded by the beautiful deposits. > > Then it was out of the caverns and into the storm that was no longer > threatening but forcefully raining and blowing. A wild turkey watched from > the side of the road as the park bus shuttled us back to the visitor center. > Trees swayed and bent, heavy with rain and stressed by the wind. > > In the comfort of our Honda Pilot the roads of the park took us through > forests, and ferries took us across one spot on the Green River and back > over another. Nature's beauty was all around in all shades of wet spring > green, flowers of white and lavender, asphalt black wet and sparkling, and > multicolored gravel roads were sprinkled with small newly grown limbs and > leaves like green snow strewn by the storm. > > Stay tuned for Phase II. > > > Glenn & Jeanette > _________________________________________________________________ > E-mail for the greater good. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_GreaterGood > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- "Photography, as we all know, is not real at all. It is an illusion of reality with which we create our own private world." Arnold Newman J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Pmodreski at aol.com Wed May 28 06:28:24 2008 From: Pmodreski at aol.com (Pmodreski@aol.com) Date: Wed May 28 06:32:00 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Question about club shows Message-ID: I think most shows manage to strike a pretty good balance between minerals vs. general lapidary and jewelry and "other" items. I'd say that it doesn't bother most of us, to have some dealers at a show who are "irrelevant" to our own interests; most of us just stroll the dealers we aren't interested in, and spend our time at the others. The mix you find at each show around the country probably depends on the interests and tastes of the club members and what they perceive is the interest balance of the local community. Going beyond club shows, I think Marty Zinn's commercial shows (such as his shows at the Holiday Inn in September and April) are pretty well focused on mineral specimen dealers, but even there he has a certain amount of dealers with "other things". And I see that the recently held Dallas Fine Mineral Show seemed to be pretty exclusively aimed at mineral specimens; but the Dallas area probably has an unsual concentration of collectors of "fine" crystallized mineral specimens--and who spend a lot of money on them. As a postscript--to anyone who may be travelling through Colorado this summer, I highly recommend three of our summer shows: Colorado Springs the weekend of June 21-22; Buena Vista (the "Contin-Tail" tailgating show), Aug. 8-10; and Lake George (also an outdoor show), Aug. 15-17. Pete Modreski **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net Wed May 28 08:22:33 2008 From: Kenny.Gay at ncmail.net (Kenny Gay) Date: Wed May 28 08:22:37 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Flexible sandstone AD Message-ID: <483D78B9.8080400@ncmail.net> List, During my recent spring cleaning, I found two pieces of flexible sandstone. One is 24 x 1 inches, about 3/8 inch thick the other is 23 1/4 x 1 3/8, about 1/4 inch thick Both from Stokes County, North Carolina I also still have the large piece, about 40 inches long, 12 inches wide, it would be great for a museum. It clearly shows the sedimentary origin of the sandstone. All 3 pieces are very "bendable" Anyone interested contact me off list Kenny kenny.gay@ncmail.net From d_mattersjr at yahoo.com Wed May 28 11:48:59 2008 From: d_mattersjr at yahoo.com (Duane Matters, Jr) Date: Wed May 28 11:50:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme Topo 7.0 Message-ID: <151436.97586.qm@web38205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently had to upgrade my computer and decided to use Windows Vista. All the Vista vs. XP comments aside, I upgraded my GPS antenna as it was not supported by Vista. When I purchased the new DeLorme LT-40, I also purchased Topo 7.0 as I was using Topo 5.0 and the Public Lands download is not available for Topo 5.0 For those of you on the list that use DeLorme software in your rock-hounding outings, beware. I have found several areas where Topo 5.0 identifies BLM roads that are vehicle accessible that Topo 7.0 has removed from it's data set. I have not run a comparison on all of the rock-hounding sites that are in my various draw files to see if the roads that make them accessible are in the Topo 7.0 data set, but a limited review has identified several discrepancies. Before you head out on your next expedition, I'd hold off on using Topo 7.0 as your only reference or at the very least make sure you're on a legal road before you access BLM/Public Lands. Thank you Duane Matters Las Vegas, NV --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed May 28 12:16:48 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed May 28 12:17:28 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme Topo 7.0 In-Reply-To: <151436.97586.qm@web38205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <151436.97586.qm@web38205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <483DAFA0.2080105@verizon.net> Duane Matters, Jr wrote: > I recently had to upgrade my computer Thanks for the warning. I guess I'll stay with Topo 6.0. I think the problem you're having might be related to the creating of "roadless lands," where a certain past president declared that *poof* certain roads didn't exist any longer, or at least would not be maintained, even though some of them are still accessible with the right kind of vehicle. I know there were a few times in the past few years when I wanted to go to an old mine and found the road nearly impassable, and then called the Forest Service and asked about it, and the gruff response was "why are you trying to go down that road? it's out of service!", to which I would reply on behalf of all collectors, "because that's what leads to the mine site." Good luck, Don From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Wed May 28 13:35:46 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Wed May 28 13:35:49 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Florida Fossiling (was Club) In-Reply-To: References: <4834AD96.8010904@verizon.net> <20080522010950.A35A81CC42@io.frii.com> Message-ID: Jeanette were on the Peace River, which cuts through the central part of the state and the oldest limestone in Florida, last year and collected fossil shark teeth and other fossils. The limestone is very light grey, almost off white, and the fossils are shiney black. As I recall, everything black is fossil material, albeit much is very broken and rough. Mastadon, mosasaur, megalodon, and lots of other fossils are found there. Shark teeth are abundant, most are small (dime size +/-) although many specimens of much larger size are commonly found. There is a mine near Ft. Drum that has terrific sea fossils many of which have cavities filled with yellow/orange calcite. The SFMS had a trip to a dolomite mine near Tampa that produced similar specimens. Honeymoon Island is also near Tampa and agatized coral can be found there. (Check with the ranger before collecting. They are usually OK with it, like beachcombing. Better safe than sorry...) Florida does have fosil collecting permits available, but I think only folks with dredges and such are required to be permitted. Pick a local club to join and enjoy our hobby! Glenn > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Club> CC: > > There are actually some interesting materials near here but just not in> interesting form. There are Zirconium mines an hour or so from here, but> they are mining Zirconium compounds in sand. The phosphate mines have> uranium compounds but again in not very interesting or accessible form.> > So 99% of what we have is calcium carbonate or phosphate. Or whatever else> you could expect to find on the bottom of an Eocene or Miocene shallow sea.> > BK> > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Alan Silverstein wrote:> > > > I would imagine there is a lot more in Florida than most people> > > expect.> >> > Yup. Mostly limestone, but agates near Tampa, lots of fossil> > (phosphate) bone, some quartz/calcite shell geodes in various spots> > (such as years ago in a construction area in North Miami Beach). You> > can web search to learn more. Plus, shell and coral collecting is> > always fun too.> >> > If interested in a trip report from 2000, when I did some collecting:> >> > http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2000.0829_FloridaCollecting.htm> >> > And in 2006, Tampa Bay agate:> >> > http://silgro.com/trip_reports/2006.1202-09_TampaBayAgate.htm> >> > Cheers,> > Alan Silverstein> > --> _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rower at start.no Wed May 28 14:25:20 2008 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Wed May 28 14:28:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl - Pete Modreski Message-ID: <11125.1212009920@start.no> Hello Pete, Thanks for a very useful reply. First, yes, you are absolutely right about "gold" vs. "golden". But in Norway we only know "gullberyll", we have no way of calling it "golden", so therefore the mistake. (The norwegian language is much more context dependant than English!) The funny part for me was a couple of days ago, while working together with the geological consultant from our neighbouring municipality - Iveland. Our collections are similar, though the collection of the Fennefoss museum is much larger. So, it was a surprise to see the beryls we call "gullberyll", called heliodor in their collection. That of course started a discussion between us, and the more I googled, the more confused I got. The beryl we are talking about is rather dark yellow-orange-brownish of color. I associate the color easily with the color of gold. I cannot recall a website with a picture of such golden beryl/heliodor from our area. I am supposed to work with the website of the museum, and eventually I will put out some pictures of such golden beryl. I feel confident you are right about the subjectivity of these terms. We are obviously not talking about mineral species with strict requirements regarding composition and crystal structure. Personally I am fond of the name "gullberyll" and don't want to start calling it heliodor. That is also strategy towards the publicum. Most people don't know what heliodor is or means. But the word gold is readily understood and appreciated. Thanks! Ron Norway ------------------------------------------------------------------------- F? din egen, gratis e-postadresse p? Start.no From rower at start.no Wed May 28 14:31:07 2008 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Wed May 28 14:31:12 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Heliodore - gold beryl - Kreigh Tomaszewski Message-ID: <11249.1212010267@start.no> Hello Kreigh, Thanks for the link. The picture shows indeed what I always considered to be heliodor, like we used to see at the mineral shows in Holland, Germany, Belgium etc. in the time I often went to shows (80-90's). But the beryl we were talking about has a much darker, much more yellow-orange- brown color without any indication of shades of green. Thanks! Ron Norway ------------------------------------------------------------------------- F? din egen, gratis e-postadresse p? Start.no From rower at start.no Wed May 28 14:42:13 2008 From: rower at start.no (Ronald Werner) Date: Wed May 28 14:42:16 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Axel Emmermann Message-ID: <11449.1212010933@start.no> Hi Axel, Thanks for the link. This would confirm what Pete said about it all being the same. Golden beryl and heliodor are treated here as synonyms. I am very inclined to agree. And this comes also closer to the color we find here in the Evje-Iveland area. Though I can understand what you say about being careful with the adjectives. I can guarantee that this beryl really deserves the adjective! When they found one huge crystal sometime in the 70/80's (don't know exactly when) material was sold to cutters for thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars! We had an exposition of minerals from Evje-Iveland at the Hamburg show in 2005 and many gemstone colelctors were very interested in this golden beryl/heliodor. We got a few offers too! I should get out a picture on our website asap then anybody can judge for themselves. I feel certain now that I don't need to change any labels, nor does my collegue in Iveland. Thanks for helping! Ron Norway ------------------------------------------------------------------------- F? din egen, gratis e-postadresse p? Start.no From therockhunter at hotmail.com Wed May 28 15:28:15 2008 From: therockhunter at hotmail.com (B & B) Date: Wed May 28 15:29:36 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lapidary Equipment Message-ID: Hello Everyone: I was hoping that someone could help me out. We are part of a lapidary group but since we are new at working with the machines. We know there is allot of information out there from people that have the exerperience and would be nice to hear from you. In the slab saws most people are using a water soluble oil ex Cut well 45. I also understand there is other oil you can use if someone is allergic to the oil or even the smell of the oil. Does any body have some suggestions on this. What can you use to keep the mist down. Other than a good ventilation system. Also for the vibro laps. We are finding more different kinds of material being used. The rougher the carpet the coarse of grit. We are seeing that there is carpet being use which looks like carpet inlaying, is that more for polishing. Thanks for all your Help. Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty _________________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kugeln at peoplepc.com Wed May 28 16:23:45 2008 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Wed May 28 16:26:34 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Two Questions Re Substage Light/Core drilling Message-ID: <001301c8c119$e11a4ec0$4465f304@JOHN> 1) I have a petrographic microscope which probably would be adequate except I need increased illumination. Repeated inquiries to seller have produced no information about bulbs, etc. No way of telling who was bulb manufacturer. ANY IDEAS? Might an electrician be able to do something that would help? 2) Anybody know of Oregon source of rentals of portable diamond core drills? I need to core 1/2 foot or more into the rock. Thanks. John Stockwell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed May 28 17:15:11 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed May 28 17:18:57 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Two Questions Re Substage Light/Core drilling In-Reply-To: <001301c8c119$e11a4ec0$4465f304@JOHN> References: <001301c8c119$e11a4ec0$4465f304@JOHN> Message-ID: <483DF58F.5080806@verizon.net> kugeln@peoplepc.com wrote: > 1) I have a petrographic microscope which probably would be adequate except I need increased illumination. Repeated inquiries to seller have produced no information about bulbs, etc. No way of telling who was bulb manufacturer. ANY IDEAS? Might an electrician be able to do something that would help? Hi, You didn't say what kind of scope you have. Many scopes can now be adapted with fiber optic illumination. I know someone who has made adapters for the Ortholux, Dialux, and other models. Also, if you know the make and model of scope, there are a few sources of rare lamps on the net. One is http://www.bulbdirect.com/ . Good luck, Don From tjokela at execulink.com Wed May 28 18:03:42 2008 From: tjokela at execulink.com (Tim Jokela Jr.) Date: Wed May 28 18:06:13 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior><001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> I wonder why field collecting of minerals and fossils has progressed hardly a jot since the Iron Age? We continue to try to recover fragile crystals by using a heavy piece of iron to hit another piece of iron! (Sure there are some alternatives like diamond chainsaws and gas-powered drills, dynamite and bulldozers, but the cost of these tools is prohibitive to perhaps 98% of collectors.) Does anybody else find it rather amazing that in all the long centuries of mineral collecting, we haven't made any damn improvements? Am I wrong to dream of a rock-cutting pocket-sized laser that costs twenty bucks? Comments? Suggestions? Is there any hope for the future? Cheers, Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com Business: http://www.element51.com Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com From buff1 at ptd.net Wed May 28 18:15:59 2008 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Wed May 28 18:16:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior><001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com> <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <483E03CF.4080201@ptd.net> Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > I wonder why field collecting of minerals and fossils has progressed > hardly a jot since the Iron Age? > > We continue to try to recover fragile crystals by using a heavy piece > of iron to hit another piece of iron! > > (Sure there are some alternatives like diamond chainsaws and > gas-powered drills, dynamite and bulldozers, but the cost of these > tools is prohibitive to perhaps 98% of collectors.) > > Does anybody else find it rather amazing that in all the long > centuries of mineral collecting, we haven't made any damn improvements? > > Am I wrong to dream of a rock-cutting pocket-sized laser that costs > twenty bucks? > > Comments? Suggestions? Is there any hope for the future? > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > the future seems very bleak indeed, but, perhaps the idea of natural selection comes into play even here... if there WERE a better way to do it.... it would become the dominant way to do it.... must be that the age old method has stood the test... and I'm not even a conservative or pessimist... From donhalterman at verizon.net Wed May 28 18:24:30 2008 From: donhalterman at verizon.net (DonH) Date: Wed May 28 18:24:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior><001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com> <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <483E05CE.9060307@verizon.net> Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > Am I wrong to dream of a rock-cutting pocket-sized laser that costs > twenty bucks? Um, well, I use a suitcase-sized UV laser to cut paths in minerals about 30 microns wide and a few microns deep. So I think your dream might be a while in coming. Iron tools are portable and some sites only allow non-powered hand tools for collecting. I think you have the answer already: better tools exist, but can be expensive. Then again, I know a fellow who can remove just about any rock with a 16-lb. sledge. Best, Don From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Wed May 28 19:22:11 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Wed May 28 19:23:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> Message-ID: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> I want one of those force field cutters (from Asimov's Empire Novels) so I can whittle stone. NASA is using a 'tricorder' to identify minerals on Mars. Point it at a rock (for something like 16 hours) and get an identification of the minerals it contains. It needs to get faster (and cheaper) before it catches on. NASA also has a cool Rock Abrasion Tool that drills holes in rocks using vibration and almost no power. A (trailer) portable CO2 laser that can drill holes in rocks is a DIY project today, but you will still have to lug along a generator to power it. The new tic-tac sized plasma light bulbs that put out more light than a street light from battery power should shrink it to a backpack unit in a few years. Military and commercial cutting applications should make this available (read affordable) in a decade. The technology is out there, but it has not yet trickled down to us amateur collectors. Kreigh On Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 21:03 America/Detroit, Tim Jokela Jr. wrote: > I wonder why field collecting of minerals and fossils has progressed > hardly a jot since the Iron Age? > > We continue to try to recover fragile crystals by using a heavy piece > of iron to hit another piece of iron! > > (Sure there are some alternatives like diamond chainsaws and > gas-powered drills, dynamite and bulldozers, but the cost of these > tools is prohibitive to perhaps 98% of collectors.) > > Does anybody else find it rather amazing that in all the long > centuries of mineral collecting, we haven't made any damn > improvements? > > Am I wrong to dream of a rock-cutting pocket-sized laser that costs > twenty bucks? > > Comments? Suggestions? Is there any hope for the future? > > Cheers, > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > Business: http://www.element51.com > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From efkern at earthlink.net Wed May 28 21:08:20 2008 From: efkern at earthlink.net (Erich Kern) Date: Wed May 28 21:22:31 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Microscope replacement bulb Message-ID: <001601c8c141$a1f656d0$7700a8c0@TheBlackAdder> Here's a place I've bought halogen miner's headlamp bulbs from a few years ago. At the top of their web page are search boxes to allow a search by equipment name or by bulb number. www.donsbulbs.com Don Schnapp's rare, projector bulbs & specialty lamps. http://www.donsbulbs.com/ email: don@donsbulbs.com Cheers, Erich Kern Murrieta, CA --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From albalmer at copper.net Wed May 28 22:12:43 2008 From: albalmer at copper.net (Al Balmer) Date: Wed May 28 22:13:55 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <483E03CF.4080201@ptd.net> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior><001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com> <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> <483E03CF.4080201@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:15:59 -0400, Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: >the future seems very bleak indeed, but, perhaps the idea of natural >selection comes into play even here... if there WERE a better way to do >it.... it would become the dominant way to do it.... must be that the >age old method has stood the test... and I'm not even a conservative or >pessimist... Yup. Makes me think of all the late-night TV gardening products that turn out to be poor substitutes for a hoe. Used in Mesopotamia 6 or 7 thousand years ago. -- Al Balmer Sun City, AZ From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu May 29 02:31:36 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu May 29 02:31:42 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <000901c8c16e$ca62b910$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Personally I would like Larry Niven's "variable sword" or a sring of "Sinclair monofilament" to cut through rock like butter. Still who's complaining? We got the accu-powerdrill and the stuff (always forget the brand name, anyone remember?) that expands when wetted... What more do you need. The Egyptians used to split large rocks that way 5000 years ago. OK, without the powerdrill and they used wooden wedges that swell when wet, but still... Last week I went to an "instruments" fair. All the newest applications for the industry and laboratories. One of the innovations there was a directional microwave beam. Let's you heat a column of water inside a much larger volume. Direct that at a water bearing rock and let the heat do your hard work. Also great for preparing lunch in the quarry and winning discussions with anyone in sight ;-))) Cheers Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Kreigh > Tomaszewski > Verzonden: donderdag 29 mei 2008 3:22 > Aan: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors > Onderwerp: Re: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the > Iron Age???! > > I want one of those force field cutters (from Asimov's Empire > Novels) so I can whittle stone. > > NASA is using a 'tricorder' to identify minerals on Mars. > Point it at a rock (for something like 16 hours) and get an > identification of the minerals it contains. It needs to get > faster (and cheaper) before it catches on. > > NASA also has a cool Rock Abrasion Tool that drills holes in > rocks using vibration and almost no power. > > A (trailer) portable CO2 laser that can drill holes in rocks > is a DIY project today, but you will still have to lug along > a generator to power it. The new tic-tac sized plasma light > bulbs that put out more light than a street light from > battery power should shrink it to a backpack unit in a few > years. Military and commercial cutting applications should > make this available (read affordable) in a decade. > > The technology is out there, but it has not yet trickled down > to us amateur collectors. > > Kreigh > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 21:03 America/Detroit, Tim Jokela Jr. > wrote: > > > I wonder why field collecting of minerals and fossils has > progressed > > hardly a jot since the Iron Age? > > > > We continue to try to recover fragile crystals by using a > heavy piece > > of iron to hit another piece of iron! > > > > (Sure there are some alternatives like diamond chainsaws and > > gas-powered drills, dynamite and bulldozers, but the cost of these > > tools is prohibitive to perhaps 98% of collectors.) > > > > Does anybody else find it rather amazing that in all the long > > centuries of mineral collecting, we haven't made any damn > > improvements? > > > > Am I wrong to dream of a rock-cutting pocket-sized laser that costs > > twenty bucks? > > > > Comments? Suggestions? Is there any hope for the future? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com > > Business: http://www.element51.com > > Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > > Subscription Services: > > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Thu May 29 05:50:29 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Thu May 29 05:52:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior><001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com><000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> <483E03CF.4080201@ptd.net> Message-ID: <002501c8c18a$92ff9490$6401a8c0@AxelHP> I think we need to go back a little and rethink the use of metals. Metals are mostly somewhat soluble so we get them inside our bodies. The Roman Empire declined partially because of it's use of lead. Aluminum, lead and tin will mess with your mind, too much of this will do that... The list is quite long. Anything we use in the handling, consumption, storage, transport of food and water could in fact be done free of risk if we did it the ancestral way: ceramics. Just baked and glazed without pigments (like waste uranium ;-) I think we need to leave the iron age via ceramics, not plastics or another metal. Actually, we're no longer in the iron age but in the paper age. Count the number of people that make something that is needed (food, hardware) and then count the number of people making no other thing than money.... We're in the paper age! No one needs another new breakfast cereal but literally thousands of advertising people are wasting thousands of trees and tons of ink to make you eat it. Other people, again thousands of them, are making a living by coughing up ideas for things that MIGHT be THE "hole in the market". Judging from the salaries these people get there is a clear reciprocity between the futility of what they promote and the number of figures in those salaries. Now that the computer finally makes access to the stock market lightning fast, the inertia has gone out of the system and the ripples of greed from the big fish in the pond have become waves. The system immediately responds to literally everything and crashes. Now, have you seen how much companies roll over and die lately? Have you seen the dossiers in the law suits following those bankruptcies? Lernout & Hauspie was a medium sized Belgian company, microscopic following American standards. When it went to court the dossier was 1.400.000 pages thick. Stack that in one pile and jump of it to see my point: paper age. ;-))))) Paper... Pardon: cheers Axel From nospam at orerockon.com Thu May 29 06:39:48 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu May 29 06:45:24 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <000901c8c16e$ca62b910$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> <000901c8c16e$ca62b910$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080529061916.035528a0@orerockon.com> It used to be called gunnite or gunite. That term now usually refers to a type of shotcrete. Now there are quite a few brands of "soundless chemical demolition agents" (SCDAs) / "non-explosive demolition agents" (NEDAs) out there: Da-mite, Crackamite (I kid you not), Bristar, Fractag, RockFrac, Dexpan, etc. I have Dexpan; it is relatively fast (less than an hour) and effective. It's also easy to get in small quantities. I have also used a hydraulic splitter ($$$) and am impressed. http://www.creightonrock.com/construction_tools/darda_rock_splitter/darda_rock_splitter.html At 02:31 AM 5/29/2008, you wrote: >We got the accu-powerdrill and the stuff (always forget the brand name, >anyone remember?) that expands when wetted... What more do you need. The Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From ldog68 at hotmail.com Thu May 29 06:56:22 2008 From: ldog68 at hotmail.com (laurence dushane) Date: Thu May 29 06:56:25 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <002501c8c18a$92ff9490$6401a8c0@AxelHP> References: <3167644.1210872667743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000301c8b6b3$8a2aa170$6500a8c0@Junior><001a01c8b6c7$b1f575e0$0200a8c0@LaptopLand1> <8CA84EDE6363477-23C-17D2@WEBMAIL-DC07.sysops.aol.com><000501c8c127$d6c61450$6500a8c0@Junior> <483E03CF.4080201@ptd.net> <002501c8c18a$92ff9490$6401a8c0@AxelHP> Message-ID: I agree with axel about being in the paper age! Being new to the hobby and very ignorant most the time on what kind rock or mineral I am looking at, has given me a different perspective on this hobby from a lot of the seasoned vets in this group. I am all for finding an easier way get our specimens out of the field and home, but I also am thankful that it has not become easy. I have only been doing this a couple of years now. I have visited many of famous places here in New Mexico. Most of the "known" places are prety picked over. So if things were easier, more of the places I do go to and work so hard at making a find at would be well gone through also. I read stories about what you could find and what was found here and there. I have talked to old and young miners in the areas I have visited. One thing just keeps popping into mind everytime. I am glad it is hard and difficult to do what we do. The easier it gets the less we will be able find. I have driven hundreds of miles to find places blasted out, or just plain destroyed. I have even been on a few trips with people to go to their "spot" and when we get there the place was decimated by heavy equipment and and what was left was garbage. Sorry for rambling on for so long. These are just some of thoughts going through my head.... Thanks for reading Laurence> From: axel.emmermann@pandora.be> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???!> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:29 +0200> > I think we need to go back a little and rethink the use of metals.> Metals are mostly somewhat soluble so we get them inside our bodies. The> Roman Empire declined partially because of it's use of lead.> Aluminum, lead and tin will mess with your mind, too much of this will do> that... The list is quite long.> Anything we use in the handling, consumption, storage, transport of food and> water could in fact be done free of risk if we did it the ancestral way:> ceramics. Just baked and glazed without pigments (like waste uranium ;-)> > I think we need to leave the iron age via ceramics, not plastics or another> metal.> > Actually, we're no longer in the iron age but in the paper age.> Count the number of people that make something that is needed (food,> hardware) and then count the number of people making no other thing than> money.... We're in the paper age!> > No one needs another new breakfast cereal but literally thousands of> advertising people are wasting thousands of trees and tons of ink to make> you eat it. Other people, again thousands of them, are making a living by> coughing up ideas for things that MIGHT be THE "hole in the market". Judging> from the salaries these people get there is a clear reciprocity between the> futility of what they promote and the number of figures in those salaries.> > Now that the computer finally makes access to the stock market lightning> fast, the inertia has gone out of the system and the ripples of greed from> the big fish in the pond have become waves. The system immediately responds> to literally everything and crashes. Now, have you seen how much companies> roll over and die lately? Have you seen the dossiers in the law suits> following those bankruptcies? Lernout & Hauspie was a medium sized Belgian> company, microscopic following American standards. When it went to court the> dossier was 1.400.000 pages thick. Stack that in one pile and jump of it to> see my point: paper age. ;-)))))> > Paper... Pardon: cheers> Axel> > > > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com Thu May 29 07:42:21 2008 From: gbrown at catspaw-minerals.com (Gary Brown) Date: Thu May 29 07:43:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme Topo 7.0 In-Reply-To: <151436.97586.qm@web38205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <151436.97586.qm@web38205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c8c19a$34ac4a90$6a01a8c0@okapi> While we're talking about DeLorme... I've owned various DeLorme "Dove-Bar" GPS units that I've used with the Street Atlas and Topo series ever since they've come out (hey, and with my MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk) and been quite happy. I was considering getting their GPS PN-20 stand-alone unit until I found you can't upload non-USA maps into it! What a pain... I travel to Europe fairly often and was looking for a nice combination of software and hardware. Great for the US, not-so-great for everywhere else. Gary Catspaw Minerals Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Duane Matters, Jr > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:49 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme Topo 7.0 > > I recently had to upgrade my computer and decided to use > Windows Vista. All the Vista vs. XP comments aside, I > upgraded my GPS antenna as it was not supported by Vista. > When I purchased the new DeLorme LT-40, I also purchased Topo > 7.0 as I was using Topo 5.0 and the Public Lands download is > not available for Topo 5.0... From nospam at orerockon.com Thu May 29 08:50:54 2008 From: nospam at orerockon.com (Tim Fisher) Date: Thu May 29 08:51:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] OFF TOPIC! In-Reply-To: <00fc01c8c19a$34ac4a90$6a01a8c0@okapi> References: <151436.97586.qm@web38205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00fc01c8c19a$34ac4a90$6a01a8c0@okapi> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080529082606.03520e50@orerockon.com> OFF TOPIC: VISTA My work partner has decided to order a new PC from Dell even though he doesn't need one. Why? Because the idiots at MicroSuck have decided to force all new computers to be pre-installed with Vista, since XP is officially not available directly from MicroSoft, and will be officially unsupported (i.e., no tech support of any kind from MS) as of 6/30 (supposedly; they had previously threatened to pull XP OEM versions in late 2007, then in back in January, then by the end of Feb., well, you get the picture). Methinks that PC makers flat out rebelled, and it will continue to be supported until Windows 7 debuts (but I've been wrong more times than I have been right LOL). I think my partner has the right idea, and if I had the $$ I would just trade in my old laptop for new, fast notebook with XP installed before it is too late. The sad thing about Vista is, I don't know if many software companies will _ever_ write code for optimized it, since it is apaprently not worth the development $$ to rewrite programs under Vista, and they too are holding out for a stable OS. I believe this statement: "In the corporate world, there are countless applications that fail miserably with Vista in offices that are standardized on XP Pro." I would also add, in the home user world as well. Very few of the programs I use on an almost daily basis support Vista, and I am betting that many of them never will. I for one am not going to shell out bucu bucks for programs written for Vista, and I am betting that not too many home suers will either, unless they got stuck with it. E.g., the most powerful GIS software companies have _no plans_ to optimize their software for Vista, or at least none that have ever been discussed on the mailing lists that I belong to or the forums that I occasionally cruise. Note that their software _runs_ under Vista, but it is all (again, AFAIK) optimized for the 64-bit XP Pro OS (IMHO, the best and fastest OS release to date for PCs). And these are some of the most progressive software companies out there, since GIS software is very much in demand right now, and you can't "convert" users of "legacy" software without offering 1) speed, 2) more speed, and 3) even more speed. I am holding out for Windows 7 (yeah I know real imaginative name there). By all accounts that I can find, it is looking like a stable OS that is not going to be nearly as buggy as Vista. At 07:42 AM 5/29/2008, you wrote: >While we're talking about DeLorme... > >I've owned various DeLorme "Dove-Bar" GPS units that I've used with the >Street Atlas and Topo series ever since they've come out (hey, and with my > MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk) and been quite happy. I was >considering getting their GPS PN-20 stand-alone unit until I found you can't >upload non-USA maps into it! What a pain... I travel to Europe fairly often >and was looking for a nice combination of software and hardware. Great for >the US, not-so-great for everywhere else. > >Gary >Catspaw Minerals >Home of the MasMils/PLUS Mine Location Disk >http://www.catspaw-minerals.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > > Duane Matters, Jr > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:49 PM > > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > > Subject: [Rockhounds] DeLorme Topo 7.0 > > > > I recently had to upgrade my computer and decided to use > > Windows Vista. All the Vista vs. XP comments aside, I > > upgraded my GPS antenna as it was not supported by Vista. > > When I purchased the new DeLorme LT-40, I also purchased Topo > > 7.0 as I was using Topo 5.0 and the Public Lands download is > > not available for Topo 5.0... > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >Subscription Services: >http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On! Email address at http://OreRockOn.com From ajs at frii.com Thu May 29 09:46:24 2008 From: ajs at frii.com (Alan Silverstein) Date: Thu May 29 09:46:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080529164624.29A8A1CC35@io.frii.com> Forgive me while I add my ruminations for a moment... - Good point about it being a good thing that collecting isn't any easier, else there'd more quickly be nothing left to collect. For example, when wandering around surface-hunting alluvial pebbles, I often fantasize stripping the top couple inches off the land with a machine, running it through a wet washer and then a fine screen to remove the dirt, then sending it down a conveyor belt -- all for more complete and efficient hunting! - And of course, this is entirely DOABLE. Destructive, pointless, sure... And, fortunately, economically infeasible in most cases. There's the key. I observe that many technological predictions turn out to be technologically accurate, and it's the economics that are harder to foresee. GPS, cell phones, laptops, they are now widespread. General aviation, mostly affordable only by the wealthier. Helicopters in every garage? Maybe never. Moon travel, sure we can do it, but it's waaay expensive. - I also observe two human patterns. The first is that humans, being clever, are mostly pretty good optimizers (read for example, "Guns, Germs, and Steel"). The second is that we rapidly adapt to, and take for granted, whatever emerges as the "optimal envelope". Sometimes ancient technology is still the best -- at least from a cost/benefit point of view. Sometimes leading edge tech surpasses all competition. Either way, though, we quickly take it as a given and then ask, "is that the best we can do?" So remember that when you're out in the field collecting rocks, just like your ancient ancestors did in the stone age, that you don't HAVE to do it to survive, like they did... It's just for fun... And, "things worth doing for fun, are worth doing badly." Cheers, Alan Silverstein From lanny.r at roadrunner.com Thu May 29 08:43:38 2008 From: lanny.r at roadrunner.com (Lanny Ream) Date: Thu May 29 10:38:26 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> References: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Message-ID: <069D2623-E93A-40CD-A8FC-590527A70ABF@roadrunner.com> Actually "the future" isn't that far off on some things. The "Tricorder" is available to you and I for under $20,000, as low as $17,000 the last time I checked. We are talking of course about Raman Spectrometers. That price is low enough that if you put off buying one of your vehicles for 2-3 years you too can own one. Also, it will identify your minerals in a few seconds. The "Rock Abrasion Tool" or ultrasonic drill to is supposedly being developed for the mass market, but last article I read about it was in 2000, so it seems to be taking a while. Maybe the future is near, but not quite here yet. We also have at our disposal such things as the Micro Blaster: drill a small diameter hole, insert a small cartridge, set it off and split a big boulder into pieces. Or the Rock Blaster, same principle, only it uses a shotgun shell size cartridge, same thing, works great. The nice thing about these are that they can be used by anyone, no blasting license needed. The cartridges are classified like ammunition. Why does the average mineral collector need to blow up rocks? Would the governments consider us using explosives and not hand tools. Would they look at us as commercial collectors if we use such things? And would the careless and uncaring destroy things and mess it up for the rest of us if they had more powerful tools? The answer to the last question is yes, they already do that with dynamite and bulldozers if not watched carefully. I don't quite agree with Tim, I think we do have great advancements in our tools. We just can't afford them or choose not to use them. A hammer and chisel still works well for the common man. There's no room for a bulldozer or trackhoe in my truck, I don't have a blasting license and I don't care to mess with all the permits to use that equipment. However, that laser cutter would be awfully useful... . Talk about frustration though. It isn't just the lack of tools, it is the lack of access. Here I sit on Prince of Wales Island, almost in sight of those incredible epidotes and Japan law twin quartz, and I don't have permission from Doug to go up on Green Monster, and it's all buried in snow anyway. At least I did find some analcime in a boulder on the beach yesterday, and some small black pyroxene crystals in another boulder. They don't fit anything known on the island, but at least I found something brought in by the glaciers. How does one mark a location label for probable glacial origin from unknown... ? Regards, Lanny On May 28, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Kreigh Tomaszewski wrote: > I want one of those force field cutters (from Asimov's Empire > Novels) so I can whittle stone. > > NASA is using a 'tricorder' to identify minerals on Mars. Point it > at a rock (for something like 16 hours) and get an identification > of the minerals it contains. It needs to get faster (and cheaper) > before it catches on. > > NASA also has a cool Rock Abrasion Tool that drills holes in rocks > using vibration and almost no power. > > A (trailer) portable CO2 laser that can drill holes in rocks is a > DIY project today, but you will still have to lug along a generator > to power it. The new tic-tac sized plasma light bulbs that put out > more light than a street light from battery power should shrink it > to a backpack unit in a few years. Military and commercial cutting > applications should make this available (read affordable) in a decade. > > The technology is out there, but it has not yet trickled down to us > amateur collectors. > > Kreigh > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 21:03 America/Detroit, Tim Jokela > Jr. wrote: > >> I wonder why field collecting of minerals and fossils has >> progressed hardly a jot since the Iron Age? >> >> We continue to try to recover fragile crystals by using a heavy >> piece of iron to hit another piece of iron! >> >> (Sure there are some alternatives like diamond chainsaws and gas- >> powered drills, dynamite and bulldozers, but the cost of these >> tools is prohibitive to perhaps 98% of collectors.) >> >> Does anybody else find it rather amazing that in all the long >> centuries of mineral collecting, we haven't made any damn > >> improvements? >> >> Am I wrong to dream of a rock-cutting pocket-sized laser that >> costs twenty bucks? >> >> Comments? Suggestions? Is there any hope for the future? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tim Jokela Jr., tjokela@execulink.com >> Business: http://www.element51.com >> Pleasure: http://www.ontariominerals.com >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List >> Subscription Services: >> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds >> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: >> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From kugeln at peoplepc.com Thu May 29 14:14:27 2008 From: kugeln at peoplepc.com (kugeln@peoplepc.com) Date: Thu May 29 14:14:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Any Lone Hill (San Jose) Memories? Message-ID: <000701c8c1d0$fb789080$beeff304@JOHN> Hello, List: Anybody have memories of the thundereggs at Lone Hill they would share? John Stockwell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu May 29 19:01:58 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu May 29 19:02:04 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado Message-ID: <62FEDF44-2DEC-11DD-98EB-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Does anyone know anything about the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado? I was recently given a bag with three fist sized specimens, and the locality was the only label. Google searching indicates it was an old gold mine that someone is trying to reopen. One article I found indicated it closed in '97, but I don't know if that is 1997 or 1897. Examination of the specimens shows they are a quartz matrix full of (silvery) black crystals. One specimen has five green microcrystals in quartz that are under .5 mm and look like peridot under a lens. My hardness testing of the black mineral was inconclusive due to the small size of the crystals, but it is around 4. Does anyone know what minerals came out of the Mogul? It would be a lot easier to identify the unknown black mineral from a short list of known minerals from the locality than from the long list of known black minerals. I was told the specimens came off the tailings, so the black mineral may or may not be ore (but if it is ore, all three are at least 50% black). Can anyone on the list help me out? Thanks! Kreigh From AFunWench at aol.com Thu May 29 19:04:43 2008 From: AFunWench at aol.com (AFunWench@aol.com) Date: Thu May 29 19:04:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Re: Flexible sandstone AD (Kenny Gay) Message-ID: Hi Kenny...I tried to contact you via the posted email address, it bounced. Please contact me regarding your flexible sandstone :) Meade in N. KY **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Thu May 29 19:26:18 2008 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Thu May 29 19:28:40 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List In-Reply-To: <833492.85583.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <325280.36634.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well folks . . . , the best laid plans - Thought I'd update the list on my "bucket list" rockhounding trip. I never made the trip described in the earlier email below. BUT - I'm going to try again. This time I plan on traveling from TX through CO, WY, MT, Alberta, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and back to TX. My interests are broad: fossils, rocks, minerals - anything as hard as my head. My wife and I will be departing in mid-June and returning when we run out of money. I'd appreciate advice on places to hunt in any of these states. Thanks again for your help, Tom Bowers Tom Bowers wrote: Folks, I'll be attending my first MAPS (Mid-America Paleo Society) bshow in Macomb, Ill this April - have motel reservations and all. I got to thinking (turned 60 yesterday), how many opportunities will I have left to do some of the fossil hunting I've always wanted to do? My wife and I sat down and looked at the calendar and decided that April and May are pretty much free (we're both retired now) save some Dr. appointments that we may try to avoid. So, we've decided to take at least April, and maybe into May, and tour the mid-west to hunt for fossils, rocks and minerals. We're considering OK, MO, IL, IN, KY, IA, SD, ND, MT, WY, NE, KS, CO, and maybe even Alberta, Ca. as possibilities (but clearly not anywhere near ALL). I have all of the Gem Trails for the available states, but these are not always the "right" places to hunt. Now the pitch . . . Would anyone be willing to give up some info on some good sites to hunt to a guy for his "bucket list" dream hunt of the mid-west? (Come on now, how could you refuse that?) Seriously, I'd appreciate any info anyone on the list would like to share, Tom Bowers tomrbowers@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Thu May 29 19:51:21 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Thu May 29 19:51:33 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Two Questions Re Substage Light/Core drilling In-Reply-To: <001301c8c119$e11a4ec0$4465f304@JOHN> Message-ID: <48FB9F43-2DF3-11DD-98EB-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> John, Take your bulb into a lighting store, along with details about its power supply, and see if they can provide a higher lumen alternative. You might have to swap out the power supply. You should have a local concrete cutting business. They are often called on to cut holes thru concrete walls or floors that are more than six inches thick. This is normally done with coring drills. We recently had a local firm in at work to drill three inch holes thru a nine inch concrete floor to run new power to our second floor computer room. They brought in foot long core drills. BTW, sciplus.com is selling a boxed set of 10 diamond hole saws in sizes from 1/4 inch to 2 3/8 inch for $59.95. They will make about a 2 inch deep cut. Look for product 93244. My set arrived just a few days ago -- I have not had time to use it, but it looks like good quality. Fair disclosure: I have been a satisfied customer of American Science and Surplus for years -- and their catalog descriptions are fun to read. Kreigh On Wednesday, May 28, 2008, at 19:23 America/Detroit, wrote: > 1) I have a petrographic microscope which probably would be adequate > except I need increased illumination. Repeated inquiries to seller > have produced no information about bulbs, etc. No way of telling who > was bulb manufacturer. ANY IDEAS? Might an electrician be able to do > something that would help? > > 2) Anybody know of Oregon source of rentals of portable diamond core > drills? I need to core 1/2 foot or more into the rock. > > Thanks. > > John Stockwell > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Paintricks at aol.com Thu May 29 20:04:11 2008 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Thu May 29 20:04:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado Message-ID: The black mineral maybe Sphalerite with other tellurides. Maybe copper, Galena(lead) or Silver gold Tellurides. Sometimes these associative minerals in tellurides are so small they are hard to see. I live right in the Cripple Creek gold fields and have much of this material from here. Peridot is associated with gold in the Turet area mines. The mine you are speaking of i haven't heard of before. The geology is similar all around here Like Leadville. hope this helps. Kevin **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From litleval at ruralnetwork.net Fri May 30 01:11:46 2008 From: litleval at ruralnetwork.net (Wayne Rasmussen) Date: Fri May 30 01:12:03 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! References: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> <069D2623-E93A-40CD-A8FC-590527A70ABF@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8c22c$ce767b40$655fe842@Titans> > We also have at our disposal such things as the Micro Blaster: drill > a small diameter hole, insert a small cartridge, set it off and split > a big boulder into pieces. Or the Rock Blaster, same principle, only > it uses a shotgun shell size cartridge, same thing, works great. The > nice thing about these are that they can be used by anyone, no > blasting license needed. The cartridges are classified like ammunition. > > Why does the average mineral collector need to blow up rocks? Would > the governments consider us using explosives and not hand tools. > Would they look at us as commercial collectors if we use such things? > And would the careless and uncaring destroy things and mess it up for > the rest of us if they had more powerful tools? The answer to the > last question is yes, they already do that with dynamite and > bulldozers if not watched carefully. > >> > Regards, > > Lanny > >www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Fri May 30 19:43:43 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Fri May 30 19:43:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <62747EEE-2EBB-11DD-993A-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> Thanks Kevin, That probably makes the green mineral Peridot. I was pretty sure of my ID, and appreciate your confirmation of the association. I'm pretty sure most of the (silvery) black stuff in this specimen is Sylvanite. The smallest specimen also has some of what I am pretty sure is Sylvanite, but also a very black, very shiny, smooth surfaced, slightly elongated, crystal, and metallic magenta inclusions that make me think of wrong colored included copper from the Keweenaw Peninsula in Michigan. The middle specimen has some of what I am pretty sure is Sylvanite, the very black shiny mineral, something that looks like thick biotite, a brown coating/micro-druze at one end, and six gold crystals (in under a 1 cm cluster, visible to the naked eye, each {just} under 1mm). I'm seriously thinking of slicing this specimen into 10 chunks to make a micro of the cubic gold crystals. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? Kreigh On Thursday, May 29, 2008, at 23:04 America/Detroit, Paintricks@aol.com wrote: > The black mineral maybe Sphalerite with other tellurides. Maybe > copper, > Galena(lead) or Silver gold Tellurides. Sometimes these associative > minerals in > tellurides are so small they are hard to see. I live right in the > Cripple > Creek gold fields and have much of this material from here. Peridot > is > associated with gold in the Turet area mines. The mine you are > speaking of i > haven't heard of before. The geology is similar all around here Like > Leadville. > hope this helps. > Kevin > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking > with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From Paintricks at aol.com Fri May 30 20:05:02 2008 From: Paintricks at aol.com (Paintricks@aol.com) Date: Fri May 30 20:05:11 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado Message-ID: Sometime I hear that Sphalerite is green. The tellurides here are so similar in appearance that you have to have a high power microscope to id the crystal faces. Being that yours are elongated may be Sylvanite. Pyrite can trip you up and resemble many of the tellurides. Calaverite has the elongated crystal structure but faces similar to Pyrite. I have a small piece of this that really helps me compare in the field. Most of my gold prospecting is in the river after the placer. I like using it in my airbrushing and Motorcycle paint. I bury it deep in the clearcoat. The druzylike crystals here are maybe calcite,.. maybe quartz with Limonite staining. It's hard to say without going to someone who knows more than me. This seems to be an indicator mineral for the gold mines. I have come across many nice specimens of Fluoraspar, mostly Fluorite Crystals that have eroded out of the top of the piles. These must have come from the innermost part of the mine. The black colored crystals I come across are mostly Sphalerite maybe some minor Sylvanite. The brown coating that seems to cover much of the geology in this area because of the high iron content in the soil. I did just find my first piece of Amathyst in the tailing across from my property. Didn't know till I got it home to clean it. It's fun finding things like this but seems more to get the specimens home to clean and really look at them. As I walk the back country for rocks I find that the crystal formations always seem to be near a mine. Many of the old ones tucked in hard to reach places at high elevation can be generally located after scratching crystals out of the tallus and slopes. The specimens that you describe are here but in many variations. Copper tellurides, Lead tellurides, Gold and Silver, Etc. Do you know of good ways to get all the oxidation off the Galena? I have some neat ones that have the chalky gray coating from being in the open off the tailing piles. Breaking some areas off the specimen reveals the bright chrome I'm dying to get off. Any suggestions? Hope yall have a good collecting season. It's here,... Finally. Cheers, Kevin **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From tangojuli at yahoo.com Fri May 30 20:05:58 2008 From: tangojuli at yahoo.com (tango juli) Date: Fri May 30 20:06:02 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Living in the Iron Age?: front end loaders & bulldozers Message-ID: <953249.22003.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I laughed at your first paragraph Alan. The running joke w/ my fiance is that all I want for Xmas or birthday is a front end loader. As a group of friends and I approached an old mining colony this weekend, I saw one at the side of the road, abandoned, and fantasized about what it would take to restore it :) If I won the lottery, I'd probably be doing just what you describe, and become the scourge I curse under my breath somethings as I approach a locality that has been throughly wiped out. But instead, it was cold steel chisels, screwdrivers, and various non-technical tools to extricate the little delicacies. I do appreciate the fact however that I'm only rewarded for my patience using these rather blunt methods. Tina Message: 13 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:46:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Alan Silverstein Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Message-ID: <20080529164624.29A8A1CC35@io.frii.com> Forgive me while I add my ruminations for a moment... - Good point about it being a good thing that collecting isn't any easier, else there'd more quickly be nothing left to collect. For example, when wandering around surface-hunting alluvial pebbles, I often fantasize stripping the top couple inches off the land with a machine, running it through a wet washer and then a fine screen to remove the dirt, then sending it down a conveyor belt -- all for more complete and efficient hunting! - And of course, this is entirely DOABLE. Destructive, pointless, sure... And, fortunately, economically infeasible in most cases. There's the key. I observe that many technological predictions turn out to be technologically accurate, and it's the economics that are harder to foresee. GPS, cell phones, laptops, they are now widespread. General aviation, mostly affordable only by the wealthier. Helicopters in every garage? Maybe never. Moon travel, sure we can do it, but it's waaay expensive. - I also observe two human patterns. The first is that humans, being clever, are mostly pretty good optimizers (read for example, "Guns, Germs, and Steel"). The second is that we rapidly adapt to, and take for granted, whatever emerges as the "optimal envelope". Sometimes ancient technology is still the best -- at least from a cost/benefit point of view. Sometimes leading edge tech surpasses all competition. Either way, though, we quickly take it as a given and then ask, "is that the best we can do?" So remember that when you're out in the field collecting rocks, just like your ancient ancestors did in the stone age, that you don't HAVE to do it to survive, like they did... It's just for fun... And, "things worth doing for fun, are worth doing badly." Cheers, Alan Silverstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From rocknlight at aol.com Fri May 30 20:13:04 2008 From: rocknlight at aol.com (rocknlight@aol.com) Date: Fri May 30 20:13:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Lapidary Equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA90E36027B143-364-1C50@webmail-nb08.sysops.aol.com> Food grade - Mineral? oil?? -? aka?? - baby oil etc ? -----Original Message----- From: B & B To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Sent: Wed, 28 May 2008 3:28 pm Subject: [Rockhounds] Lapidary Equipment Hello Everyone: I was hoping that someone could help me out. We are part of a lapidary group but since we are new at working with the machines. We know there is allot of information out there from people that have the exerperience and would be nice to hear from you. In the slab saws most people are using a water soluble oil ex Cut well 45. I also understand there is other oil you can use if someone is allergic to the oil or even the smell of the oil. Does any body have some suggestions on this. What can you use to keep the mist down. Other than a good ventilation system. Also for the vibro laps. We are finding more different kinds of material being used. The rougher the carpet the coarse of grit. We are seeing that there is carpet being use which looks like carpet inlaying, is that more for polishing. Thanks for all your Help. Black Wolf & White Wolf Robert & Betty _________________________________________________________________ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From pawpawtiger at hotmail.com Fri May 30 21:02:03 2008 From: pawpawtiger at hotmail.com (Glenn Wimpee) Date: Fri May 30 21:02:06 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Up one Side Trip Report Phase II Message-ID: Our third day out we drove through Louisville, Kentucky across the Ohio River into Indiana and to the Falls of the Ohio State Park. There we were greeted by friends and associates of Alan Goldstein and treated to fascinating exhibits and a historical film presentation. Alan arrived shortly after we did and shared lots of good info. Alan wrote several pamphlets related to the fossils and geology around the park. He did a bit of searching and found several and gave us copies. These are excellent, well written, and with nicely illustrated. They are accurate and easily understandable. After a brief visit and imparting of information, he had to leave for a special meeting. The river was way above flood stage after the recent storms. Still lots of the fossiliferous limestone was exposed and we walked along the bank and marveled. And we collected a bit from some piles set aside for that purpose. Then we were off on our way to the New River Gorge in West (By God!) Virginia. A quick jaunt across the river into Ohio and almost right back so we can say we?ve been there, and the drive continued through eastern Kentucky horse country into West Virginia. Early evening found us on I-64/I-77 combined, and the evening mist was growing like smoke in the hills in varied areas. Every curve brought more smoky mist, new vistas, and revealed dark streaked rocks in the road cuts. Tuesday morning the foggy mist hid most of the gorge. Ol? Sol soon burned it away and the famous bungee jump bridge came into full view except for portions obscured by flora. Royal Paulownia trees bloomed purple, and black locust trees white, rhododendrons and mountain laurel flashed various shades, and I?d never before noticed how many shades of green and red painted the forest as new leaves burst forth everywhere. And we almost needed the 4WD in several places on a nice side trip along both sides of the gorge to Hawk?s Nest and back. Waterfalls and an old mill added to the scenery. Stunning views and rocky road cuts held us in awe. Then it was northward and across a narrow strip of Maryland on into Pennsylvania where we continued into Hershey and our main destination. Wednesday was a very touristy visit to the chocolate tour, and later a walking tour of an Amish village near Lancaster. A multifolded granite outcrop diverted our attention as we walked along in the outside area of the interesting compound. Niagara Falls will be the focus in the next phase. Glenn & Jeanette P.S. Please hit your delete key if at any time you become overly bored. LOL! _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From smtravis at plateautel.net Fri May 30 21:22:49 2008 From: smtravis at plateautel.net (steve travis) Date: Fri May 30 21:22:50 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! References: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net><069D2623-E93A-40CD-A8FC-590527A70ABF@roadrunner.com> <000f01c8c22c$ce767b40$655fe842@Titans> Message-ID: <016001c8c2d5$fc3b33a0$929c324a@marilyn> Where do I get a rock blaster. pant pant I need one. no seriously I need one I have a bolder with TQ veins runing through it. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Rasmussen" To: "Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! > >> We also have at our disposal such things as the Micro Blaster: drill a >> small diameter hole, insert a small cartridge, set it off and split a >> big boulder into pieces. Or the Rock Blaster, same principle, only it >> uses a shotgun shell size cartridge, same thing, works great. The nice >> thing about these are that they can be used by anyone, no blasting >> license needed. The cartridges are classified like ammunition. >> >> Why does the average mineral collector need to blow up rocks? Would the >> governments consider us using explosives and not hand tools. Would they >> look at us as commercial collectors if we use such things? And would the >> careless and uncaring destroy things and mess it up for the rest of us >> if they had more powerful tools? The answer to the last question is yes, >> they already do that with dynamite and bulldozers if not watched >> carefully. >> >>> >> Regards, >> >> Lanny >> www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From jabac at hal-pc.org Sat May 31 04:35:58 2008 From: jabac at hal-pc.org (jbacko) Date: Sat May 31 04:36:48 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List In-Reply-To: <325280.36634.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <325280.36634.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4841381E.6060705@hal-pc.org> Tom Bowers wrote: > Well folks . . . , the best laid plans - > > Thought I'd update the list on my "bucket list" rockhounding trip. I never made the trip described in the earlier email below. > > BUT - I'm going to try again. This time I plan on traveling from TX through CO, WY, MT, Alberta, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and back to TX. My interests are broad: fossils, rocks, minerals - anything as hard as my head. > > My wife and I will be departing in mid-June and returning when we run out of money. > > Tom Bowers > > Seriously, I'd appreciate any info anyone on the list would like to share, > > > Some thoughts off the top of my head from my experience: If you can get back issues of Rock&Gem Magazine, review all of the articles by Kenneth Rohn. He has traveled and written extensively about MT, SD, ND, and WY. I have used his observations to visit many of the places he mentions and have found them to be accurate but a bit enthusiastic. Still, the articles are useful as pointers of where to go. Any gravel bed along the Yellowstone River between Sidney and Miles City is a source of Montana Agate and petrified wood. Access is easy and usually free at the marked fishing access sites. Don't forget to visit Tom Harmon at Crane. Along the Missouri River is probably the best for fossils, but there are good areas in the badlands around Miles City. Be careful as they are very touchy about vertebrate fossils in the area. When I go back this summer I intend to go a bit further West as well and screen some sapphires and hunt garnets, good things to do. Of course that will put me within striking distance of Yellowstone NP...hmm. Fort Robinson State Park in NE is a good place to stay. One has access there to the national grasslands and prairie agate, and it is near to Agate Fossil Beds National Monument for dinosaurs. Prairie agate is kind of rare but jasper and jaspagate in good colors is common. The grasslands are actually huge garbage dumps of ancient glaciers as well as ancient river benches and almost anything is a potential. I have found belemnites in the area in newly-plowed fields. The grasslands are administered by the NFS and U.S. Forest Rangers are the "police". They WILL ask you about fossils you have collected or potentially collected. The badlands and Black Hills of SD are must see areas. Mount Rushmore is nice but crowded. There is no charge to see the monument but the parking has been sub-contracted and that is the effective charge. The Crazy Horse monument is a fee area. There are a lot of pegmatites in road cuts in Western SD that are worthy of a look; I found nice pieces of schorl and microcline in some right above Wind Cave National Park (which is also nice). Try and visit the rock shop in Custer (near the KOA); he knows the area well and has some interesting things, including the piece used in "The Postman" which is the bronze monument towards the end of the film. Of course it isn't bronze but it sure looks like it! WY is harder to rockhound. The bloody wind blows all the time except for a few minutes when it is changing direction. There are good areas for petrified wood, etc. but they are probably better visited with a rock club or guide, not the casual visitor passing through. The Bighorn National Forest around Buffalo is nice. Antelope are everywhere. I think Pete Modreski gave you some lowdown on CO. See him. He's good. NM is good for fluorite and thundereggs. Sites are relatively easy to visit for both of these. Don't forget Socorro and the NM Bureau of Mines museum. Pick the minds of the graduate students at the museum. They expect it and are very helpful. The easiest things to get in OK are selenite in the panhandle and Salt Plains, and barite roses in the red belt East of Norman. When you are traveling through the Arbuckles, get off I-35 and follow the parallel US highway. There are well-marked areas of successive geologic exposures from Devonian to Pennsylvanian along the route. This is a classic area for geology students from OU. In West Texas, see Terry at the Antelope Inn in Alpine. She arranges field trips to ranches in the area for plume and moss agate. And there is the classic Woodward Ranch for plume agate. Unlike Alpine, Marfa is quite "artsy" now. There is steatite and soapstone in the road cuts around Van Horn. Don't forget the Davis Mountains and MacDonald Observatory. Around Fort Davis are vineyards where one can taste some Texas vintages. Hunting topaz around Mason is always nice but one has to nose around like an armadillo for a few days to be effective. The rewards can be great and the fees are reasonable. There is a rockhound's guide to Alberta: "Minerals of Alberta A Handbook For Students, Rockhounds and Prospectors" by Leonard J. La Casse and James Roebuck, Hallamshire Publishers, 1978, ISBN 0-88841-004-2 pa. Needless to say, Canada is a whole different country. And don't forget your passports. Canada doesn't care much, but the US will on the way back. john From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sat May 31 07:17:11 2008 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat May 31 07:17:22 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200805311417.m4VEHHk7000727@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Kevin and Kreigh, I found the Mogul Mine on a map (it actually says Mogul Tunnel). I don't see any other mention of Mogul on the map. There are two that I know of in Colorado, but the other is near Silverton. The one you are talking about is near (1 mile NE of) the Eldora ski area. It is next to the little town of Eldora which is just west of the larger town of Nederland. Nederland, which is in the famous tungsten district of central Colorado, is just west of Boulder, CO. If you go to Mapquest.com and search for Eldora, CO you will see the tiny town (just roads, not the mine). The Mogul Tunnel is about 600 feet southeast of the 6th St. and Bryan Ave. intersection, according to my map (the Nederland Quadrangle, Colorado). Also, the Mogul Tunnel is only 2 miles south of the Caribou area which had lots of silver mines. I can't tell you what the specimens have, but I'm sure they are gold and silver related. Maybe even tungsten. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Paintricks@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:05 PM To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado Sometime I hear that Sphalerite is green. The tellurides here are so similar in appearance that you have to have a high power microscope to id the crystal faces. Being that yours are elongated may be Sylvanite. Pyrite can trip you up and resemble many of the tellurides. Calaverite has the elongated crystal structure but faces similar to Pyrite. I have a small piece of this that really helps me compare in the field. Most of my gold prospecting is in the river after the placer. I like using it in my airbrushing and Motorcycle paint. I bury it deep in the clearcoat. The druzylike crystals here are maybe calcite,.. maybe quartz with Limonite staining. It's hard to say without going to someone who knows more than me. This seems to be an indicator mineral for the gold mines. I have come across many nice specimens of Fluoraspar, mostly Fluorite Crystals that have eroded out of the top of the piles. These must have come from the innermost part of the mine. The black colored crystals I come across are mostly Sphalerite maybe some minor Sylvanite. The brown coating that seems to cover much of the geology in this area because of the high iron content in the soil. I did just find my first piece of Amathyst in the tailing across from my property. Didn't know till I got it home to clean it. It's fun finding things like this but seems more to get the specimens home to clean and really look at them. As I walk the back country for rocks I find that the crystal formations always seem to be near a mine. Many of the old ones tucked in hard to reach places at high elevation can be generally located after scratching crystals out of the tallus and slopes. The specimens that you describe are here but in many variations. Copper tellurides, Lead tellurides, Gold and Silver, Etc. Do you know of good ways to get all the oxidation off the Galena? I have some neat ones that have the chalky gray coating from being in the open off the tailing piles. Breaking some areas off the specimen reveals the bright chrome I'm dying to get off. Any suggestions? Hope yall have a good collecting season. It's here,... Finally. Cheers, Kevin **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From bobl at peaktopeak.com Sat May 31 07:34:12 2008 From: bobl at peaktopeak.com (Bob Loeffler) Date: Sat May 31 07:34:21 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200805311434.m4VEYJHa010570@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Hi Glenn, Yes, Red & Green Rock Shop is still there... I think. It was a few months ago. They had a fire in the building last year but it closed them for only a few days. They are mostly a lapidary/jewelry shop, but they do have some representative Colorado mineral specimens. They are in Lakewood (a southwest suburb of Denver) and their website is www.red-greenminerals.com but it doesn't seem to be working right now. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Wimpee Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:26 PM To: Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem collectors Subject: RE: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO(and places to stop on the way) Kreigh, We were out there a couple of years ago and Pete Modreski was able to show us around the USGS facility there. He also directed us to some great collecting spots. I hope you get a chance to meet him. Best part of the trip. My thanks again to Pete! And don't miss the Red & Green Rock Shop if it is still there. We learned about it form posts by Kitty and Bill on this list. Another great stop, and more thanks due to the Hawaiians! Glenn > From: Kreigh@tomaszewski.net> To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:24:36 -0400> Subject: [Rockhounds] Looking for collecting locations around Denver, CO (and places to stop on the way)> > Hey List,> > I'm going to be driving from Grand Rapids, MI, to Denver, CO, arriving> on Monday, August 11th. I'll probably be driving back starting Saturday> morning. We're planning on two days of driving each way, but could> extend the trip out (or back) to three days if there were some really> cool places to stop at along the way. We're going to spend a few> vacation days with my oldest daughter, and her husband, who moved to> Denver (from Kalamazoo) for jobs last summer.> > I'm looking for rockhounding suggestions for the trip out and back, so I> can take a few short breaks from driving. Roadside collecting spots,> rock shops, shows, don't miss tourist attractions, chances to meet list> members, and the like.> > While in Denver I expect to be able to spend one full day with my> rockhounding hat firmly on my head, and will have the 4WD Astro. Should> I split it between museums and collecting, or just focus on one or the> other? My wife will be with me, but we may or may not have the kids (the> ones that are still at home are teenagers in high school).> > And if it is to be collecting, what location(s) around Denver should we> be considering for our day in the field? BTW, my wife likes collecting> rocks that sparkle or look cool, and doesn't care what they are called> -- I'm mostly a systematic collector that gets into mineralogy, and> likes obscure minerals and type locations; we both love to collect in> the field.> > We just got the dates finalized, so it is time to start planning how to> fit rockhounding into the trip. I'm looking for suggestions early so we> will have time for research before being forced to decide. Any links, or> (detailed) suggestions?> > Thanks for your help!> > Kreigh> > -- > _______________________________________________> Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List> Subscription Services:> http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds> List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy:> http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ skydrive_052008 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From tomrbowers at yahoo.com Sat May 31 07:46:13 2008 From: tomrbowers at yahoo.com (Tom Bowers) Date: Sat May 31 07:46:18 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Bucket List In-Reply-To: <4841381E.6060705@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <645354.49876.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, These are some great suggestions. Thanks a lot for taking the time to write them down. Tom jbacko wrote: Tom Bowers wrote: > Well folks . . . , the best laid plans - > > Thought I'd update the list on my "bucket list" rockhounding trip. I never made the trip described in the earlier email below. > > BUT - I'm going to try again. This time I plan on traveling from TX through CO, WY, MT, Alberta, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, and back to TX. My interests are broad: fossils, rocks, minerals - anything as hard as my head. > > My wife and I will be departing in mid-June and returning when we run out of money. > > Tom Bowers > > Seriously, I'd appreciate any info anyone on the list would like to share, > > > Some thoughts off the top of my head from my experience: If you can get back issues of Rock&Gem Magazine, review all of the articles by Kenneth Rohn. He has traveled and written extensively about MT, SD, ND, and WY. I have used his observations to visit many of the places he mentions and have found them to be accurate but a bit enthusiastic. Still, the articles are useful as pointers of where to go. Any gravel bed along the Yellowstone River between Sidney and Miles City is a source of Montana Agate and petrified wood. Access is easy and usually free at the marked fishing access sites. Don't forget to visit Tom Harmon at Crane. Along the Missouri River is probably the best for fossils, but there are good areas in the badlands around Miles City. Be careful as they are very touchy about vertebrate fossils in the area. When I go back this summer I intend to go a bit further West as well and screen some sapphires and hunt garnets, good things to do. Of course that will put me within striking distance of Yellowstone NP...hmm. Fort Robinson State Park in NE is a good place to stay. One has access there to the national grasslands and prairie agate, and it is near to Agate Fossil Beds National Monument for dinosaurs. Prairie agate is kind of rare but jasper and jaspagate in good colors is common. The grasslands are actually huge garbage dumps of ancient glaciers as well as ancient river benches and almost anything is a potential. I have found belemnites in the area in newly-plowed fields. The grasslands are administered by the NFS and U.S. Forest Rangers are the "police". They WILL ask you about fossils you have collected or potentially collected. The badlands and Black Hills of SD are must see areas. Mount Rushmore is nice but crowded. There is no charge to see the monument but the parking has been sub-contracted and that is the effective charge. The Crazy Horse monument is a fee area. There are a lot of pegmatites in road cuts in Western SD that are worthy of a look; I found nice pieces of schorl and microcline in some right above Wind Cave National Park (which is also nice). Try and visit the rock shop in Custer (near the KOA); he knows the area well and has some interesting things, including the piece used in "The Postman" which is the bronze monument towards the end of the film. Of course it isn't bronze but it sure looks like it! WY is harder to rockhound. The bloody wind blows all the time except for a few minutes when it is changing direction. There are good areas for petrified wood, etc. but they are probably better visited with a rock club or guide, not the casual visitor passing through. The Bighorn National Forest around Buffalo is nice. Antelope are everywhere. I think Pete Modreski gave you some lowdown on CO. See him. He's good. NM is good for fluorite and thundereggs. Sites are relatively easy to visit for both of these. Don't forget Socorro and the NM Bureau of Mines museum. Pick the minds of the graduate students at the museum. They expect it and are very helpful. The easiest things to get in OK are selenite in the panhandle and Salt Plains, and barite roses in the red belt East of Norman. When you are traveling through the Arbuckles, get off I-35 and follow the parallel US highway. There are well-marked areas of successive geologic exposures from Devonian to Pennsylvanian along the route. This is a classic area for geology students from OU. In West Texas, see Terry at the Antelope Inn in Alpine. She arranges field trips to ranches in the area for plume and moss agate. And there is the classic Woodward Ranch for plume agate. Unlike Alpine, Marfa is quite "artsy" now. There is steatite and soapstone in the road cuts around Van Horn. Don't forget the Davis Mountains and MacDonald Observatory. Around Fort Davis are vineyards where one can taste some Texas vintages. Hunting topaz around Mason is always nice but one has to nose around like an armadillo for a few days to be effective. The rewards can be great and the fees are reasonable. There is a rockhound's guide to Alberta: "Minerals of Alberta A Handbook For Students, Rockhounds and Prospectors" by Leonard J. La Casse and James Roebuck, Hallamshire Publishers, 1978, ISBN 0-88841-004-2 pa. Needless to say, Canada is a whole different country. And don't forget your passports. Canada doesn't care much, but the US will on the way back. john -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- From kadok at infowest.com Sat May 31 09:33:01 2008 From: kadok at infowest.com (Margaret Malm) Date: Sat May 31 09:25:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <000f01c8c22c$ce767b40$655fe842@Titans> References: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net><069D2623-E93A-40CD-A8FC-590527A70ABF@roadrunner.com> <000f01c8c22c$ce767b40$655fe842@Titans> Message-ID: <003501c8c33b$fe6c5b20$0200a8c0@kadok> I'm with you, Lanny! Margaret > Why does the average mineral collector need to blow up rocks? Would > the governments consider us using explosives and not hand tools. > Would they look at us as commercial collectors if we use such things? > And would the careless and uncaring destroy things and mess it up for > the rest of us if they had more powerful tools? The answer to the > last question is yes, they already do that with dynamite and > bulldozers if not watched carefully. > >> > Regards, > > Lanny > >www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html -- _______________________________________________ Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List Subscription Services: http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html From axel.emmermann at pandora.be Sat May 31 11:31:56 2008 From: axel.emmermann at pandora.be (Axel Emmermann) Date: Sat May 31 11:32:09 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the Iron Age???! In-Reply-To: <003501c8c33b$fe6c5b20$0200a8c0@kadok> References: <0B8AD156-2D26-11DD-ADD8-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net><069D2623-E93A-40CD-A8FC-590527A70ABF@roadrunner.com><000f01c8c22c$ce767b40$655fe842@Titans> <003501c8c33b$fe6c5b20$0200a8c0@kadok> Message-ID: <001f01c8c34c$9b61d530$6401a8c0@AxelHP> We have a "deontological charter" in Belgium that was thought up by the Council of Earth Sciences. Most clubs have signed it as it lays down a set of rules and ethics for the collector. One of those rules is that collectors should not use any other equipment than was is considered "normal". This means that pneumatic drills and explosives are out. If you interpret the charter literally, even an electric accu-driven drill in combination with "soundless chemical demolition agents" (SCDAs) / "non-explosive demolition agents" is forbidden. I don't know if you can drill large enough holes in boulders using an accu-driven drill or if Dexpan would work with holes of 0.5 cm * 40 cm in a limestone boulder. It would help extract fragile crystals if you know where they are... Axel > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] Namens Margaret Malm > Verzonden: zaterdag 31 mei 2008 17:33 > Aan: 'Rockhounds@drizzle.com: A mailing list for rock and gem > collectors' > Onderwerp: RE: [Rockhounds] Why are we still living in the > Iron Age???! > > > I'm with you, Lanny! > > Margaret > > > Why does the average mineral collector need to blow up rocks? Would > > the governments consider us using explosives and not hand tools. > > Would they look at us as commercial collectors if we use > such things? > > And would the careless and uncaring destroy things and mess > it up for > > the rest of us if they had more powerful tools? The answer > to the last > > question is yes, they already do that with dynamite and > bulldozers if > > not watched carefully. > > > >> > > Regards, > > > > Lanny From buff1 at ptd.net Sat May 31 17:21:35 2008 From: buff1 at ptd.net (Dennis Buffenmyer) Date: Sat May 31 17:23:19 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] moving rocks... In-Reply-To: <200805311434.m4VEYJHa010570@bubbleator.drizzle.com> References: <200805311434.m4VEYJHa010570@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <4841EB8F.9060307@ptd.net> List, I need to ask a favor of the list. SOME time ago.... there was a posting of a link with a video of this guy who found very simple ways to move rock, including placing a very small pebble under a large boulder and moving, to ( I seem to recall ) rolling a rock up hill by putting notches in the uphill portion. I tried looking in the archives but my memory cant even recall WHEN I may have seen this. ANY help?? ANYONE?? I need to implement one of the processes... From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat May 31 17:49:32 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat May 31 17:49:38 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] moving rocks... In-Reply-To: <4841EB8F.9060307@ptd.net> Message-ID: <9972B6BC-2F74-11DD-8D76-0005022E6413@Tomaszewski.net> http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/rockhounds/2008-March/024790.html On Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 20:21 America/Detroit, Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > List, > > I need to ask a favor of the list. SOME time ago.... there was a > posting of a link with a video of this guy who found very simple ways > to move rock, including placing a very small pebble under a large > boulder and moving, to ( I seem to recall ) rolling a rock up hill by > putting notches in the uphill portion. > I tried looking in the archives but my memory cant even recall WHEN I > may have seen this. ANY help?? ANYONE?? I need to implement one of the > processes... > -- > _______________________________________________ > Rockhounds@drizzle Mailing List > Subscription Services: > http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/rockhounds > List Home Page, with a link to the List Usage Policy: > http://www.eclecticlapidary.com/Rockhounds/index.html > From kahako at hawaiiantel.net Sat May 31 17:52:13 2008 From: kahako at hawaiiantel.net (Kitty & Bill Heacox) Date: Sat May 31 17:52:10 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] moving rocks... In-Reply-To: <4841EB8F.9060307@ptd.net> References: <200805311434.m4VEYJHa010570@bubbleator.drizzle.com> <4841EB8F.9060307@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4841F2BD.3000509@hawaiiantel.net> Hi Dennis, http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/ Aloha, Kitty Dennis Buffenmyer wrote: > List, > > I need to ask a favor of the list. SOME time ago.... there was a > posting of a link with a video of this guy who found very simple ways > to move rock, including placing a very small pebble under a large > boulder and moving, to ( I seem to recall ) rolling a rock up hill by > putting notches in the uphill portion. > I tried looking in the archives but my memory cant even recall WHEN I > may have seen this. ANY help?? ANYONE?? I need to implement one of the > processes... From Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net Sat May 31 19:02:30 2008 From: Kreigh at Tomaszewski.net (Kreigh Tomaszewski) Date: Sat May 31 19:02:35 2008 Subject: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, Colorado In-Reply-To: <200805311417.m4VEHHk7000727@bubbleator.drizzle.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bob! I had searched MinDat for Eldora and did not find the mine. Using your info I searched Google for Mogul Tunnel and found it on MinDat as location 110281. Mogul Tunnel Occurrence, Boulder Co. Tungsten District, Boulder Co., Colorado, USA KING, R.U., (UNPUB. DATA Commodities (Major) - Molybdenum Deposit Type: Vein Development Status: Occurrence Host Rock: Gneiss The listing gives four minerals; Baryte, Ilsemannite, Molybdenite, and Roscoelite. Some of the generally black looking stuff I thought looked like biotite is silver colored at the right angles and might be Molybdenite crystals. I'm used to massive Molybdenite specimens from Canada that are obviously silver colored. Maybe these have some Tellurium mixed in. It is a lot harder to identify minerals when your largest crystal is under 5 mm. But learning where the mine is exactly, and finding what it produced, is a big step in the right direction (which I think brings me closer to the lab). Thanks again for your help. Kreigh On Saturday, May 31, 2008, at 10:17 America/Detroit, Bob Loeffler wrote: > Hi Kevin and Kreigh, > > I found the Mogul Mine on a map (it actually says Mogul Tunnel). I > don't > see any other mention of Mogul on the map. There are two that I know > of in > Colorado, but the other is near Silverton. The one you are talking > about is > near (1 mile NE of) the Eldora ski area. It is next to the little > town of > Eldora which is just west of the larger town of Nederland. Nederland, > which > is in the famous tungsten district of central Colorado, is just west of > Boulder, CO. If you go to Mapquest.com and search for Eldora, CO you > will > see the tiny town (just roads, not the mine). The Mogul Tunnel is > about 600 > feet southeast of the 6th St. and Bryan Ave. intersection, according > to my > map (the Nederland Quadrangle, Colorado). Also, the Mogul Tunnel is > only 2 > miles south of the Caribou area which had lots of silver mines. > > I can't tell you what the specimens have, but I'm sure they are gold > and > silver related. Maybe even tungsten. > > Regards, > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com > [mailto:rockhounds-bounces@lists.drizzle.com] On Behalf Of > Paintricks@aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:05 PM > To: rockhounds@lists.drizzle.com > Subject: Re: [Rockhounds] Need info on the Mogul Mine in Eldora, > Colorado > > Sometime I hear that Sphalerite is green. The tellurides here are so > similar in appearance that you have to have a high power microscope to > id > the > crystal faces. Being that yours are elongated may be Sylvanite. > Pyrite > can trip > you up and resemble many of the tellurides. Calaverite has the > elongated > crystal structure but faces similar to Pyrite. I have a small piece > of this > that > really helps me compare in the field. Most of my gold prospecting is > in > the > river after the placer. I like using it in my airbrushing and > Motorcycle > paint. I bury it deep in the clearcoat. > The druzylike crystals here are maybe calcite,.. maybe quartz with > Limonite staining. It's hard to say without going to someone who > knows > more than > me. This seems to be an indicator mineral for the gold mines. I > have come > > across many nice specimens of Fluoraspar, mostly Fluorite Crystals > that > have > eroded out of the top of the piles. These must have come from the > innermost > part of the mine. The black colored crystals I come across are mostly > Sphalerite maybe some minor Sylvanite. The brown coating that seems > to > cover much of > the geology in this area because of the high iron content in the soil. > I did just find my first piece of Amathyst in the tailing across > from my > property. Didn't know till I got it home to clean it. > It's fun finding things like this but seems more to get the > specimens > home > to clean and really look at them. > As I walk the back country for rocks I find that the crystal > formations > always seem to be near a mine. Many of the old ones tucked in hard to > reach > places at high elevation can be generally located after scratching > crystals > out > of the tallus and slopes. > The specimens that you describe are here but in many variations. > Copper > tellurides, Lead tellurides, Gold and Silver, Etc. > Do you know of good ways to get all the oxidation off the Galena? > I have > > some neat ones that have the chalky gray coating from being in the > open off > > the tailing piles. Breaking some areas off the specimen reveals the > bright > > chrome I'm dying to get off. > Any suggestions? > Hope yall have a good collecting season. It's here,... Finally. > Cheers, > Kevin > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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